Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT Lines: 13 G'day, I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? Thanks, Binh. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 153 Distribution: World References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found > that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! > I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to > Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > Yes. But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. This is the first day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup. I hope it will prove beneficial to all Kermit users. To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip. . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z. VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:18:43 GMT Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign Lines: 23 Distribution: na I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. I send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the seconds are different? In any case, one way around this that would even be useful in other situations would be a FILE COLLISION setting which only transfered files that were newer by a certain amount. For example, if one issued the command SET FILE COLLISION UPDATEBY 60, then only those files that were newer by at least one hour would be transfered. Comments? Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:23:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Distribution: World References: <35jvj3$b0u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <35jvj3$b0u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. I > send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to > the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set > to UPDATE. ... > An OS/2 FAT file system records the time to a precision of 2 seconds, whereas most other file systems record the time to a precision of one second or less. This the file times for the same file can differ by one second. In this case, Kermit takes the conservative approach and transfers the file. Workarounds: (1) "touch" the file on the receiving end to force it to be newer (not recommended); (2) use an HPFS file system instead of a FAT file system. These comments apply also to DOS and Windows, but suggestion (2) does not apply :-(. Also, the latest version of OS/2 C-Kermit is 5A(190) Beta.23, available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. It works a lot better than the earlier Alpha versions. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!gmi.edu!ellis From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 19 Sep 94 01:25:10 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 29 References: <35i2ta$qgp@sundog.tiac.net> conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic >re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of >batch file transfers, etc. >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS >version available? >Thanks. > Harry C. The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place. The latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:30:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Distribution: World References: In article ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: > conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: > >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as > >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived > >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the > >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic > >re-dial > No it doesn't. The dialing scripts that come with MS-DOS Kermit automatically redial for you. > >... the ability to automatically log-off on completion of > >batch file transfers, etc. > Not at all. Please read the documentation. MS-DOS Kermit includes a script programming language that lets you set up any automated procedures you like. > >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... > Well... That would explain it. Version 2.28 dates from 1986. We've been working on it for a solid eight years since then! (Has it been eight years already ???!) The current version is 3.13, and 3.14 will be announced for beta testing soon. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS > >version available? > > Harry C. > > The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was > watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place. The > latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches. > To clarify, the ONE AND ONLY source for Kermit software on the Internet is kermit.columbia.edu (which, indeed, at the present, happens to be the same as watus.cc.columbia.edu, but might not always be, so use the kermit name to be safe). Please don't pick up Kermit from other sites because we can't support it that way -- we don't know where it's been, what's been done to it, how old it is, whether the file sets are complete, etc etc. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux3!rf13 From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Request: Download Speed Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 33 I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps (I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem). Here's what I've done so far: - Played around with the packet length and window parameters. By trial and error I found that 4 sliding windows and a packet length of around 900 bytes give me the best speed with the least number of retries. - Disabled the modem's compression. This improved the speed by about 50 cps. - Downloaded several differend types of files (with no modem compression and 'set file type binary' given to both Kermits) and measured the cps. I got ~1300 or a .zip file, ~1550 for an ASCII file, and ~1150 for a unix executable. - By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is proportionally higher for the .zip file compared to the text file. So the ratio (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a .zip file (and even lower for the unix executable). So how can I improve the efficiency? I looks like Kermit is applying some sort of compression (or maybe binary->ASCII encoding? or both?) that is inflating the size of .zip files. Is this the case, and if so how can I turn it off? Is this a bug or a feature? :-) Thanks, Ramin Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Request: Download Speed Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:40:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Distribution: World References: <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> Keywords: Performance, Fast, Slow, Speed In article <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) writes: > I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while > downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. > The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps > (I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem). > Here's what I've done so far: > ... > - By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it > turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case > (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is > proportionally higher for the .zip file compared to the text file. > So the ratio (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a > .zip file (and even lower for the unix executable). > See my earlier posting. You have got the packet-length and window-size business right, but zip files and other forms of compressed files have a much higher proportion of control characters than do other types of files, and therefore incur a higher control-character-prefixing penalty, and so are transferred less efficiently. Also note that since these files are already compressed, Kermit can't compress them any further, and neither can your modem. However, in my experience, turning off Kermit's compression (SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF) or the modem's results in only a marginal improvement. The big gain comes in (a) (obviously) making sure you have an 8-bit no-parity connection (you probably do), and (b) telling Kermit to "unprefix" most control characters, i.e. all the ones that are safe to unprefix. C-Kermit 5A(189) or later and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later are required for control-character unprefixing. See the CKCKER.UPD file that comes with C-Kermit or the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit for details about this feature. For more detailed discussions of Kermit file transfer performance, please read the manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and/or "Using C-Kermit", and the articles on performance in Kermit News numbers 4 and 5, available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files newsn4.txt and newsn5.txt (ASCII, also .ps for PostScript). - Frank Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!cs.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Sender: news@cs.joensuu.fi Organization: Joensuu University Language Center Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT Lines: 17 Hello developers I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would like to see version 3.13 done as a windows program. Is there anybody out there working on it? Within a year or so DOS will be obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1. I know most people will not upgrade at once but DOSs days are numbered. Most versions kermit for windows that I have seen seem to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas. TIA Paul ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:47:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: World References: <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> In article <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows > winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I > would like to see version 3.13 done as a windows program. > Wouldn't everybody! > Is there anybody out there working on it? Within a year or so DOS will be > obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1. > Maybe, maybe not. > I know most people will not upgrade at once but DOSs > days are numbered. Most versions kermit for windows that I have seen seem > to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas. > That's correct. We don't recommend any of them. They are mainly "proof of concept" exercises with minimal functionality, and not well supported -- well... not supported at all. We, the Kermit developers, intend to produce a fully functional version of Kermit for Windows. In fact, we have always intended to do this. It is very high on our list of things to do. It is also a VERY BIG JOB, and therefore keeps getting put off. Meanwhile, we recommend using MS-DOS Kermit in Windows. We support 100%. It works fine, in a window, it can use all sorts of networking methods, including its own built-in TCP/IP stack, but no, it does not work with Winsock because Winsock is only available to fully 100% native Windows apps. There may be some new developments in this area in the next few months. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!ilium!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT & PCMCIA Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 27 Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with kermit ??? If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to use IRQ5??? Is there any tweaking necessary in any of the .SCR files and which do I use. So far, I've tried HAYES and the SPORT ones. I don't know whatelse to do. I get into terminal mode and he (the PCMCIA card) wont even speak to me in AT. thanks for any hints. baffled dwight -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!medicus!bill From: bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) Subject: Kermit for Windows/NT Organization: Medicus Clinical Data Systems, Alameda, CA Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT Lines: 14 Hello, I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to Windows/NT? If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here who would love to beta test it. I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. --Bill Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> In article <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com>, Bill Chinn wrote: >Hello, > >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? Currently, we recommend using the 16-bit OS/2 version on Windows NT. >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here >who would love to beta test it. There are plans to create an NT version at some point in the future. >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. When a NT version is created we will support the standard TCP/IP stacks. >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. >--Bill Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 with TCP/IP Date: 19 Sep 1994 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: World Keywords: OS/2, TCP/IP Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:13:01 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: "Bryan H. Hodgson" <0003627745@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: CKermit-OS2 w/TCP-IP In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:20 EST > I've got PC/Kermit working very successfully over TCP/IP to connect to > our Unix boxes while users are simultaneously logged onto Novell > servers. Great stuff. > Yup, thanks. > Now I'm trying to solve the same problem with OS2/CKermit. And I'm > trying to avoid springing for IBM's OS/2 product. Are you aware of > shareware or public domain alternatives for OS/2 TCP/IP drivers that > will work with CKermit? > Nope. This question is asked about 100 times a day on the OS/2 newsgroups, and the answer is always no. A number of commercial TCP/IP products are available, and OS/2 C-Kermit works with most of them. C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta works with the following: IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1 (C-Kermit edit 189 and later) IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (edit 190) Essex Systems TCP/2 (edit 189 and later) FTP Software's PC/TCP for OS/2 (edit 190) IP-Switch Vantage IP (edit 190) It does not work with Novell LAN Workplace for OS/2, although there is some slight chance that we might be able to add this support before leaving Beta. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. Unzip and run the install script (INSTALL.CMD). - Frank Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!iitmax!thssjyh From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:19:01 GMT Lines: 40 In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > >Thanks, >Binh. >-- You could use sz within kermit or Set following on both end of kermit set receive packet 2000 set windows 3 set con u all set con p 0 1 See DOC for correct syntax. You need MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A (189) or up But don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect (At least on our unix box) Jianqing Hu | Internet: thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu ECE Dept. Illinois Inst. of Tech. | Chicago, IL 60616 | Office phone: 312-567-6971 >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) > Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:50 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <1994Sep19.141901.3102@iitmax.iit.edu> Lines: 15 thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect > (At least on our unix box) This should fix the problem: set blo 3 which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!RICH From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Lines: 17 References: <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com> Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > >Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > >Thanks. >Mike > >(please e-mail me) >huzacec@telerama.lm.com Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:48:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: World References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: > In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > > Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me > (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) > Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit for DOS. There is MS-DOS Kermit for DOS (and Windows), and C-Kermit for OS/2 (and UNIX, and VMS, and ... and ...). The mere act of trying to ftp something does not necessarily make it spring forth into existence :-) But yes, once again, the definitive source for all Kermit software on the Internet is kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:55:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Distribution: World References: <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> In article <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors > > undetected (At least on our unix box) > > This should fix the problem: > > set blo 3 > > which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". > Yes, SET BLOCK 3 should always be used. It catches errors much better than the lower-numbered block checks, as explained in the documentation. For example, I once ran across a terminal server that actually swapped characters occasionally when its was under heavy load. Type 1 and 2 block checks (which are simple checksums) would not catch this, but type 3 (a Cyclic Redundancy Check) does. However (mea culpa) it should be pointed out that C-Kermit 5A(190) could introduce errors into incoming files if control-character unprefixing was used on the characters Ctrl-O, Ctrl-N, or Ctrl-P, AND the file actually contained these characters, AND the connection was a 7-bit, rather than 8-bit, connection (i.e. PARITY was not NONE), AND locking shift protocol had been successfully negotiated. This problem is fixed in C-Kermit 5A(190), which will be released shortly, and is available now for Beta testing. Folks, if you have problems like the one mentioned above, for goodness' sakes, report them! We support our work. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!news.miami.edu!spindler From: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:49:18 -0400 Organization: U of Miami/RSMAS Lines: 39 Distribution: world References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Reply-To: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found >that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! >I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to >Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? Assuming that your modem supports hardware error correction (MNP5 or LAP-M) then you can tune Kermit for quite fast file transfers. With error-correction handled in hardware by the modem, you can turn down the processing Kermit uses for error-correction. In addition, turn off the Xon/Xoff flow control for Kermit as it is unneeded. Increase packet size to the maximum allowed by your Kermit applications. The following lines added to your .kermrc might help. set send packet 9024 set rec packet 9024 set block 1 set flow none On the average, assuming a fairly clean phone line, I can download about 4Mb/hour. Your mileage may vary. There are additional tweaks that you can try regarding 8th bit prefixing, but I haven't got them to work just yet. You can also play with sliding windows, if your Kermit supports them, to increase throughput, but here again I haven't had much success with them. -- Todd Spindler |Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric Science TSpindler@rsmas.miami.edu|Dept. of Meteorol & Phys Oceanography /U of Miami --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beyond the ken of mortal men, beneath the wind and waves, / Lies a land of shells and sand, of chasms, crags, and caves, / Where coral castles climb and soar, where swaying seaweeds grow, / While all around, without a sound, the ocean currents flow... _Sign of the Seahorse_ by Graeme Base Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!opeo!iao.ford.com!jamulla From: jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and looking at the link without dropping the phone line Please reply to below address. Thanks in advance, John J. _________________________________________________________________________ jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1 Ford - Car Product Development Bldg3 2nd Floor #2638 (313) 337-9951 CAD/CAM, Dearborn, MI 48121 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!conover From: conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 20 Sep 1994 04:42:18 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 9 Distribution: World References: <35k7ao$9bc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Thanks to all for the pointers on Kermit FTP sites. I have it now. If 3.13 proves as good a piece of software as 2.28, I'll likely end up using it well into the 21st century. Again, many thanks. Harry Conover Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!homer.louisville.edu!jlmcad01 From: jlmcad01@homer.louisville.edu (Jeff McAdams (J McA)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 03:59:58 GMT Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 53 References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> In <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) writes: >MDESOUZA (mdesouza@wam.umd.edu) wrote: >: Hello All, >: I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. >: home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better. they have >: a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit >We at U of Louisville have an 'official' release of kermit you can get by >copying it to your diskette. It's got several scripts for it to ease >access to several systems (mainframe, vax VMS, unix). >For that reason, it's probably better to use their version and >installation process even if it's an 'old' version. The new versions >mostly have networking improvements that you're not likely to use. Ok, I work in the computer lab at the above mentioned U of Louisville. "Our" version of kermit is the latest that is released (we just released "our" 3.13) with scripts written to automate connections to our mainframes. On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at transferring files as kermit is. Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write): 1) They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures 2) Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer 3) They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give that out to users As a note for #2. Please keep in mind that kermit originally was just a file transfer protocol, and still can be used for that. Nearly ALL communications programs have a kermit protocol to use. Kermit was originally developed so that files could be tranfered without regard to what system was sending or recieving those files. Before kermit, ppl had to find a protocol that they had in common and fiddle with it to get it to work, after kermit, everyone just starts up kermit, and sends the file. VERY robust. So in short (yeah right, too late for that I know) kermit is a very good tool to have because if all else fails, kermit WILL work, but other comm programs could be better depending on your setup. I would suggest trying some out to see which fits your needs best. Personally, I use telix, but I'm not exactly a power modem user. (only 2400 bps in fact). Chill, J McA Hope I've helped and haven't run too long on the subject. Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 12:30:38 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 74 References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> Jeff McAdams (J McA) (jlmcad01@homer.louisville.edu) wrote: : On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on : comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at : transferring files as kermit is. Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. The *default* file tranfer parameters are very conservative, and must be changed to get high throughput. The update file that comes with MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail. With the host I download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast reliable transfers: set control unprefix all set control prefix 0 1 129 set window 5 set file type binary set receive packet 2000 ..kermrc is an initialization script that C-Kermit reads when first run. The first two lines above are what is new with recent versions. Kermit assumes by default that many codes, including all eight-bit codes, will cause problems with communication between the two machines. Since more than a few systems use 7 data bits, this is not an unreasonable assumption, and it allows kermit to work when zmodem would fail, by sending eight-bit codes as two (or more?) seven-bit codes. If your system supports eight data bits, then this is unnecessary. "Set unprefix all" disables all such tricks. The second line of my ..kermrc restores prefixing to only the three codes that cause problems on my host. : Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or : more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write): : 1) They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures : 2) Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer : 3) They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give : that out to users. I like using MS-Kermit as my terminal emulator, because 1. It provides excellent VT100 emulation. 2. All keys are reprogrammable. We have reprogrammed our function keys, PageUp, PageDown, etc. so that they work the same way in emacs and WordPerfect. 3. It provides excellent Tektronix graphics emulation, toggling into that mode automatically from VT100 mode. 4. It can be used with either serial/modem connections or with ethernet connections. With ethernet connections it supports multiple sessions. 5. It's free, so we can give it away to our students. Disadvantage: 1. It's not menu driven. For file transfers, I use Zmodem when connecting to BBS's, because most of these do not support the current higher speed version of the kermit protocol. When attaching to Unix hosts, I use kermit, because Zmodem is unreliable on enough Unix systems that I have tired of experimenting, and offers no speed advantage. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!strauss.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@strauss.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:21:54 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 43 References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> In article <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu>, Sigurd Andersen wrote: :In article <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so :: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application? ... :: :: I'm using Kermit v3.13 on Novell v3.11 server with the latest ODI :: drivers, and PCTCP v2.31 odipkt. :: ... :: :: --Jerry ... :: :Jerry, : An answer from the campus from which you sent your question -- :PC/TCP software from FTP, Inc. includes a program called TNGLASS :which does all the underlying packet handling, yet allows some other :program to provide the user interface. The DOS command to get these :to work together is : TNGLASS -E kermit.exe -F custom.ini :where refers to the system to which you wish to connect. :"-E" tells TNGLASS to use the following program as the user interface. :"-F" tells MS-KERMIT to use the specified INI file. : : This has allowed people here to make use of MS-Kermit's VT220, :VT320, and/or Tektronix 4010 terminal emulation, or to use the Kermit :for communications concurrently with other processes (e.g., FTP). Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!mcshub!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!muss.cis.McMaster.CA!not-for-mail From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Lines: 36 References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > >If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest >transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. This has been the subject of much discussion at my site. I can get about 1000 cps on a 9600 transferring a zip file to a 486 DX 66 Mhz pc without the good uart chip (16450 or 16550, I forget). I also added a kermit control file on the source computer. I forget the exact name of the control file (probably .kermitrc for a unix computer) set control-character unprefixed all set control-character prefixed 0,1,129,17,29 This is discussed in the documentation but I didn't fully appreciate the social economic impact of doing so. I think that kermit does something special with binary characters (prefixes them) which adds extra characters to transfer. I noticed that the number of characters that kermit was transferring was less than the block size. btw, this is done on the source (where the file comes from). As well, be sure to use long blocks (but not too long). My modem has 7k of ram buffer. A 9k block is too long, a 6k block is good. The set windows did nothing for me and I think it is for more internet transfers than modem transfers. Doug Fraser Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:26:02 -0700 Lines: 17 References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? > with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all factors that will also slow down zmodem. Last year's Kermit News had a performance test that showed Kermit superior over zmodem, and I haven't seen any counter-tests. If you convincingly measure zmodem to be faster, please publish. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS/V Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei Telecom. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:28:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: world References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Keywords: term In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) writes: > Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? > Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. But this is not really the question you wanted to ask. > I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit > all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and > looking at the link without dropping the phone line > The real question is: How do I use Kermit with term? Here is the answer, from the ckuker.bwr file that is being prepared for the forthcoming C-Kermit 5A(190) release: (11.3) USING C-KERMIT WITH TERM The "term" program provides an error-corrected, multiplexed connection between two UNIX systems, allowing you to run multiple applications over a single connection, for example several terminal windows and a file transfer simultaneously. Term depends on a communications application (such as C-Kermit) to make the connection and then redirect it to term's standard i/o. The advantages of using C-Kermit rather than other communication programs for this include: . C-Kermit's script language lets you automate the entire process. . With C-Kermit's REDIRECT command, term sessions are not limited to serial connections, but can work over network connections (TCP/IP, X.25) too. Here is an example showing how to set up a term session between two UNIX systems with with C-Kermit (assuming the connection has already been made by C-Kermit, e.g. by dialing up): C-Kermit> connect login: xxx Password: xxx $ exec term -r -s 38400 -A ^\c (escape back) C-Kermit>redirect term -s 38400 -A & C-Kermit>push $ Now you can run term clients such as trsh and tupload at the local shell prompt. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Psion 3a Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:21:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: world References: <35mv65$pa9@ukwsv2.ggr.co.uk> Keywords: Psion In article <35mv65$pa9@ukwsv2.ggr.co.uk> w0400@ggr.co.uk (Wodehouse Lord) writes: > Has anyone though about a kermit for the Psion 3a? > There is no Psion version of Kermit in our archives, nobody has ever mentioned this system before, and I never heard of it. When posting messages like this: Is there a Kermit program for it might also be a good idea to include a brief description of the system -- processor, languages available, operating system, etc, so at least we could point you to something close. You can find a concise list of Kermit versions in the Kermit archive at kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a (or b, c, d, or e) in the files aav*.hlp, where * is a 3-letter phrase indicating how the file is sorted -- by system name, OS name, programming language, date, etc. There are presently about 450 entries in this list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 19:51:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:51:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Testing 1 2 3 Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35negk$q93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a test, please ignore... Execpt I'm wondering if any of my postings are making it out to the world, since all the questions I answered yesterday are being asked again today. Maybe it's just propogation delay. But I would appreciate a *few* replies (by email, direct to me at fdc@columbia.edu) to let me know if you have seen this message, especially if you are far away from New York City. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 14:26:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:21:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:21:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit questions.... Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:26:10 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu just a few quick questions about MacKermit..... does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released???? i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone else experienced this? what's wrong with it? hope someone can answer these! Later, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu With friends surrounded The dawn mist glowing The water flowing The endless river Forever and ever -"High Hopes", Pink Floyd. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 21:46:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:46:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:46:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MacKermit questions.... Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:46:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nl78$4sg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes: > does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released???? > No. As of now, and for the past four years or so, nobody has been available on the Mac-Specific aspects of Mac Kermit, at least not for enough time to take care of all the deficiencies that badly need attention before a final 1.0 release can be announced. Anybody who is already comfortable programming the Macintosh in MPW C and has a fair amount of time to devote bringing Mac Kermit into fold is more than welcome to step forward! > i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this > gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone > else experienced this? what's wrong with it? > I was able to fix this problem a few weeks ago. What was wrong was: a file-system call that used to work in Mac OS 7.0 and earlier -- all the way back to the very earliest Mac OS's -- stopped working in 7.1. Pick up the fixed -- but still not release-quality -- Mac Kermit from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text mode, file ckm190.hqx. Un-binHex with BinHex 4.0. Please also get the ckmker.bwr file and read it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 22:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:32:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:32:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Correction Date: 20 Sep 1994 22:32:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nntc$825@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Bug Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:06:24 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Sigurd Andersen Subject: Re: Testing 1 2 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:03:43 -0400 > In one of your postings, I think you inadvertantly included a typo > which might confuse some ... you said that C-Kermit 5A(190) can introduce > errors under some odd circumstances, and that C-Kermit 5A(190) fixes > that bug. The identical version can't do both ... > Right. C-Kermit 5A(189) had the bug. Previous and later versions do not. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 15:54:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:43:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:43:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!buzzard.eecs.umich.edu!rjones From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with expanded memory manager Date: 20 Sep 1994 15:54:00 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 7 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: buzzard.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it. When I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot of noise in the connection. Lots of beeps and missing characters, and there's just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are necessary. I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400 bps. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Is there any way to fix it short of turning of the expanded memory manager? From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 16:11:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:20:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:20:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!nermal!sthoemke From: sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu (Steve Thoemke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: specifying port number Date: 20 Sep 1994 16:11:57 GMT Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when telneting? Any help would be appreciated, (Steve Thoemke) sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:25:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:25:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: specifying port number Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:25:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nr0o$as2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu (Steve Thoemke) writes: > I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when > telneting? Any help would be appreciated, > Maybe not :-) Mac Kermit -- any version (yours is ancient) does not make TELNET connections. There is no TCP/IP support in Mac Kermit. Perhaps some day. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:44:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:44:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:44:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with expanded memory manager Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:44:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35ns4g$c44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes: > Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it. When > I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot > of noise in the connection. Lots of beeps and missing characters, and > there's just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are > necessary. I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400 > bps. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Is there any way to fix > it short of turning of the expanded memory manager? > From Joe Doupnik (author of MS-DOS Kermit): Randolf, Columbia rescued your query while I await Pony Express (sic) delivery of the new comp.protocols.kermit.misc group to my campus. Any year now. Let's take a few guesses. Expanded memory needs a 64KB chunk of upper memory block and you need to pin down where with a FRAME= command argument to your memory manager. Segment E000 is a common spot, but ensure nothing gets into A000-BFFF video. Do the same in Windows' SYSTEM.INI, [enhanced] section. And be generous with the "exclude=" phrases to protect your machine. Memory managers differ a lot about how a machine is switched between real and protected mode, and the switch is needed to make visible the big chunk of memory devoted to expanded memory (even though only a 64KB piece is visible at one time). If you have competing TSRs which use expanded memory (disk caches come to mind) then they will beat up on the machine. Print spoolers are well known hazards for comms programs. So you may need to do a little local tuning to minimize the interference. Next, be really sure there is nothing else using the IRQs of your serial port. Some network boards default to IRQ 3 (COM2), for example. There can be no sharing, else trouble. While doing this, check port address blocks for conflicts too; a serial port wants 8 port values starting at the stated base, say \x03f8, and overlaps with other boards are possible but fatal. Please do watch any disk cache because those gems gather bytes for a while then take a huge slice of cpu time (with interrupt recognition defeated) to hand them out to the disk drive. My suggestion is remove such caching, but you can experiment to see if that is the cause. You have probably read a lot about the 16550A buffered UART chips. They do work very well indeed covering up the holes created by greedy TSRs, and I recommend you investigate available boards. Kermit has supported that chip in FIFO mode for many years. For positively difficult outage cases you might look into more expensive serial boards which simulate a 16550A but with a 1KB buffer rather than the 16 Byte kind on the chip; the Hayes ESP board is one I use here. Finally, look out for other TSRs such as screen savers and keyboard helpers and FAX drivers. Each of them can cause trouble to serial comms gear. Joe D. [I would only add that MS-DOS Kermit works just fine with expanded memory turned on, on thousands of PCs that have 8250 UARTs, including my own, so the problem Randolph reports is not endemic to Kermit, but a peculiarity of his setup, an unfortunate byproduct of PC architecture. By the way, a big advantage of expanded memory is that Kermit can take advantage of it to store your rollback screens, so you can have literally thousands of them. Also... Be sure to read the section on memory management in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank] From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:57:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:57:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:57:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit and SET CARRIER Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nssk$cnl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mobr$ubl@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> mhemswor@acs.ryerson.ca writes: > In <35kvu0$i89@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, poa02@cc.keele.ac.uk (R. Kimber) writes: > >I have a new machine and am trying to get C-Kermit working, using COM2. > >When I try to connect I get a message something like "Carrier not > >detected". > Try "set carrier off" at the C-kermit command prompt. > It's all in the documentation. This is normal behavior. The question is, what do you want carrier to do? Most people want to know that the connection has dropped if carrier goes off. This is what Kermit is set up to do by default. The conundrum is: "If I can't communicate with carrier is off, then how am I supposed to make a connection?" Answer: the DIAL command, of course. C-Kermit's default CARRIER setting is AUTO, meaning that carrier is not to be required by the DIAL command (makes sense, right?), but it is required by the CONNECT command. If you don't want to use the DIAL command, but would rather CONNECT to the modem and type AT commands at it, then SET CARRIER OFF before giving the CONNECT command. But remember that when CARRIER is OFF, Kermit will not notice if the carrier signal drops. Version 5A(190) of C-Kermit gives you a message that pretty much tells you this story if you attempt to CONNECT to a serial device that is not presenting the carrier signal when Kermit's CARRIER setting is ON or AUTO. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:27:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:36:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:36:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!psinntp!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!brook!gene From: gene@brook.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Which is the latest Kermit for MacOS? Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:27:27 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Nntp-Posting-Host: brook.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi netters, I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was 0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93. In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6? Thanks in advance, -- Eugene Tyurin ( ITP, Stony Brook Univ. ) E-mail: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu ( MIME mail is welcome! ) WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 00:48:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:48:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:48:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which is the latest Kermit for MacOS? Date: 21 Sep 1994 00:48:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nvt4$fp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> gene@brook.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes: > I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but > found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took > the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was > 0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93. > In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6? > Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994 or later fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta. It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/test/text. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/test/text directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:47:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: Re: C-Kermit for DOS questions Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:47:45 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic : blocks? And where can that be obtained? try kermit.columbia.edu (anonymous ftp) the latest version for dos supports extended length packets and sliding windows. just follow the directions from there. -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:52:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: Re: "script" command in C Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <35i6s4$3is@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:52:39 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As a brief example, it is script expect send example: (logging into a unix machine) script ~0 ~r <- does not wait for anything, send a script ~w30login: me <- wait for 30 sec. for login; send name script password: blahblah <- wait (default time) and send password I recommend de Cruz's (sp?) using C-Kermit book. It is chock full of usefull stuff and examples for building c-kermit scripts. -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 13:14:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:39:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!delphinium.cig.mot.com!reindeer!kreidler From: kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com (Joe Kreidler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending Binary Files Date: 20 Sep 94 13:14:47 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: reindeer.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have not had any luck. Thanks in Advance, --------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Kreidler 1501 W Shure Drive - Room 1315 Motorola Cellular Arlington Heights, IL 60004 kreidler@cig.mot.com 708-632-4656 FAX: 708-632-6519 network: an advanced version of "connect the dots." --------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 20:55:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:36:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:36:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:55:20 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu make sure you type set file type binary on both sides of kermit, host and local. -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 20:58:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:37:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:37:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newest Kermit Version???? Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:58:01 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <35nicp$5kj@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is the most recent kermit version made for IBM?? Please email me only...thanks! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 21:01:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:47:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:47:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit + Windows for Workgroups?? Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:01:16 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35niis$5q1@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is the best kermit setup for use with windows. I seem to get alot of retry messages when I use these two together... please respond by email only! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:09:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:55:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:55:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:09:19 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 20 Message-Id: <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Chandler wrote: :: If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest :: transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a :: 14.4 modem. : :1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k, hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files. I have seen higher, but this is what you might expect with no obvious errors in your setup and zmodem or kermit with a bit of tuning. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 02:29:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 02:29:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:04:38 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 57 Message-Id: <35npq6$9a9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, Rick Matthews wrote: :Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, :but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions :of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 :for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. Let's say that having used both protocols for many years, both the old and current versions, both UNIX and DOS talking in various combinations, using all of the tuning you mention below... I've never seen any indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed data files, which is all I care about. I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent always eludes me. considering that my Kermit is always the latest and my zmodem is about four years old, I think that means there are some tricks and dependencies in getting the last little bit out of Kermit, and that zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. : :The *default* file transfer parameters are very conservative, and must :be changed to get high throughput. The update file that comes with :MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail. With the host I :download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast :reliable transfers: : : :set control unprefix all :set control prefix 0 1 129 :set window 5 :set file type binary :set receive packet 2000 A word about that, I believe that setting the packet size to about the amount of data you transfer in one sec over a reliable link (v.42/TCP) or about half that for an unreliable link (modem w/o error correction and bad line) is optimal. On most systems further tuning gives 1-2% at most. You may have to set the total buffer size up (set buffers) to get this with higher speeds. Going through *some* terminal servers I have found that keeping the packet size <=800 gives better performance. I set the total buffering (packet size * window) to about 5-7 times the one second throughput of the line. This is something which may help if you have a system which just gives bad throughput all the time. You may have 10-15 windows doing this, it works for me. hope these experiences are useful to someone. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 01:50:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:33:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news From: haymoree@newt.ee.byu.edu (Ed Haymore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:50:51 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.ee.byu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: | In article , | :1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. | Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the | order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical | limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k, | hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files. I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at 38.4k. How much overhead is there in V.42? -- Ed Haymore | AA6EJ ed@byu.edu | Linux -- a better OS than DOS. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 01:55:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:36:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news From: haymoree@newt.ee.byu.edu (Ed Haymore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:55:06 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35o3pq$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.ee.byu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: | In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John | Jamulla) writes: | > Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? | > | Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the | answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. | A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process | exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. | But this is not really the question you wanted to ask. Actually, I used to exit kermit all the time without hanging up the modem... for my Zyxel, the command "at&d0" tells it not to hang up when DTR is dropped. But now I run term with kermit's shell command (!) instead, often as part of my kermit startup script. -- Ed Haymore | Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side ed@byu.edu | and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 16:58:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:58:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:58:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Date: 21 Sep 1994 16:58:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <35poo3$pho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: FTP owns the board... Keywords: MS-Kermit TCP ETHDRV PC/TCP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use >Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better >throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. >The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer >performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the >goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it sounds like you already understand. Here's a clip from the the MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) : ------ Begin -------- Kermit always registers for the ARP and IP protocols. In addition, but only if you gave the command SET TCP ADDRESS RARP, it will also register for RARP. Remember the rule: ONLY ONE APPLICATION PER PROTOCOL PER NETWORK BOARD! That's why you can't run (say) PC-NFS and Kermit TCP/IP connections at the same time. Here are some hints for getting around this: . If PC-NFS comes with an Interrupt-14 redirector (similar to FTP Software's TNGLASS program), you can use that in conjunction with Kermit's SET PORT BIOS1. Not as good Kermit's built-in TCP/IP TELNET, but better than nothing. . You can experiment with the PKTMUX driver. This is supposed to let multiple TCP/IP stacks share the same network board. Nobody knows very much about this, and a quick glance at the user manual is more than a little bit scary. You can find PKTMUX on kermit.columbia.edu, directory packet-drivers/new, files pktdrv.exe and pktmux*.*. . You can install a second network board and give one to PC-NFS and the other to Kermit. This is actually the best choice -- network boards don't cost much these days, especially compared to value of the amount of time you'd have to spend futzing with the other approaches. ------ End ------- Hope this helps. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:05:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:05:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:05:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 17:05:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35pp3v$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jolomo@netcom.com (Joe Morris) writes: > On 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600 Kerry Schwab wrote: > > Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command. Suppose you were trying to > > recieve a file, you'd do "sz ", enter the kermit escape char, > > then type "REDIRECT rz". > Is this on the level? I'm using C-Kermit 5A(189) and don't have > the redirect keyword -- which version do I need > 5A(190). It's in Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). In the archive, see the file ckurzsz.ini. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 16:37:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:37:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:37:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!nntp.sunbelt.net!pc164-10.org.tec.sc.us!gfoley From: gfoley@org.tec.sc.us (Gary A. Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRTSCRN Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:46:47 UNDEFINED Organization: Orangeburg-Calhoun TECH College Lines: 2 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc164-10.org.tec.sc.us X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How to print screen? Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and back off but I need to print the displayed screen. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 21:04:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:05:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PRTSCRN Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:04:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35q75i$f0o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article gfoley@org.tec.sc.us (Gary A. Foley) writes: > How to print screen? Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and > back off but I need to print the displayed screen. > Explained on pages 82-84 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Very briefly, there are two ways: 1. Just push the Print Screen key. This is a DOS function, having nothing to do with Kermit. 2. Hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric keypad. This is a Kermit function. By default, it does not actually print the screen, but rather copies it to a disk file whose name is (by default) KERMIT.SCN on the current disk and directory. You can use method (2) to print the current screen on the printer by first giving the command: SET DUMP PRN to direct screen dumps to the PRN "file" (i.e. the printer). For additional details, please read the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:27:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:27:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!pavo.concordia.ca!j_yates From: j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca (YATES, JODYE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 21 Sep 1994 12:14 -0500 Organization: Concordia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo7.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? All help would be appreciated. Jodye. email:J_Yates@pavo.concordia.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 22:04:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:04:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:04:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <35qakv$j59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Uhh, not a Kermit problem... Keywords: DOS CRLF WP Conversion Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, YATES, JODYE wrote: >Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is >that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns >inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even >recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I >load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so >the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit >downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? Uhh, I don't think this is really a Kermit problem. Standard ASCII format for DOS means a CR-LF (carriage-return+line-feed) at the end of each line, which translates into a "hard return" at the end of each line in WP terms. Any word processor worth its salt ought to be able read ASCII text in such a way that converts CR-LF combos into whatever it's internal end-of-line convention calls for. I've never used WP 6, but in 5.1 you can do it by saying Ctrl-F5,1,3. Hope this helps. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 11:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!jove!chrisl From: chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 21 Sep 1994 11:46:39 GMT Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jove.acs.unt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if I change them in that file. Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. -Chris From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 11:47:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.chalmers.se!news.gu.se!pew.psy.gu.se!psybk From: psybk@pew.psy.gu.se (Bjorn Kihlberg) Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Message-Id: Sender: news@news.gu.se (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: pew.psy.gu.se Organization: Gothenburg University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:47:04 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have : not had any luck. : Thanks in Advance, : --------------------------------------------------------------- : Joe Kreidler 1501 W Shure Drive - Room 1315 : Motorola Cellular Arlington Heights, IL 60004 : kreidler@cig.mot.com 708-632-4656 : FAX: 708-632-6519 : network: an advanced version of "connect the dots." : --------------------------------------------------------------- Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjorn Kihlberg | email: bk@psy.gu.se (C) All Copyrighted | bjorn@trillium.se From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 23:48:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:48:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:48:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Date: 21 Sep 1994 23:48:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35qgnl$psp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article psybk@pew.psy.gu.se (Bjorn Kihlberg) writes: > Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: > : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have > : not had any luck. > Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary > Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why? > It has to default to something. If you don't like it to default to text (as it does), then by all means put "set file type binary" into your Kermit initialization file (MSKERMIT.INI, .kermrc, CKERMIT.INI, etc, depending on which Kermit version we're talking about). - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 12:12:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Date: 21 Sep 1994 12:12:30 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <35p7ve$9o4@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have : not had any luck. Tell the sending kermit set file type binary -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 23:49:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 21 Sep 1994 23:49:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35qgqq$q7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) writes: > I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get > the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will > use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try > it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but > repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ... > That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE command in MSKERMIT.INI. We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI. Then you won't get into this kind of trouble. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:09:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:50:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:50:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 13:09:11 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 23 Message-Id: <35ppbn$cv9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu>, Ed Haymore wrote: :I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at :38.4k. How much overhead is there in V.42? Negative overhead, believe it or not. Without V.42 you send 10 bit/byte, with start and stop bits. With V.42 you use synchronous data between the modems, so you only have (from memory) about 8.3 bits/byte. Kermit generally adds enough overhead to bring the overall speed dow to the ballpark of 9.3 bits/byte, although fine tuning can improve on this somewhat. At 1700cps you are getting about all the modem can give you. I quoted 1550 as being a reasonable goal, compared to whatever the original poster mentioned (1400?), rather than as an absolute limit. I don't doubt that you can get a bit more if you work at it. For compressed files I would not expect going above 19.2 to help, but if you are running v.42bis (compression in the modem) you can get speeds up to 115.2k (but more like 45k on any data I've thought was "typical"). -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 00:37:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:19:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:19:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Date: 22 Sep 1994 00:37:58 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-Id: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? I load the packet driver with this command: C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com MS-Kermit>connect Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting ?Cannot start the connection. MS-Kermit> I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250 and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13? And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen in love with it! The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft Windows. The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb, as well. Thanks for your help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 19:29:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:08:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:08:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet From: phelanp@ins.infonet.net (Patrick Phelan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 21 Sep 1994 19:29:59 GMT Organization: INS Info Services, Des Moines, IA USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Reply-To: phelanp@ins.infonet.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ins.infonet.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13 to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ? I keep trying to get this to work, but never have enough time to really see it through. Thanks in advance for any ideas! -PatP From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 19:56:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:20:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:20:55 -0400 Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:56:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994. For your newsgroups file: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. The charter, culled from the call for votes: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 00:34:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 04:40:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 04:40:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!jbrhebergen From: jbrhebergen@et.tudelft.nl Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit/SLIP/modem <-- Question! Message-Id: <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Date: 22 Sep 94 02:34:12 +0200 Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with a 14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university. How do I go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our sys admin says no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver right? and set some kermit settings, right? Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? Thanks! Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ J.B. Rhebergen (JayBee) tel: +31 15 144660 M. Gouweloospoort 8 fax: +31 15 144660 (phone first) 2611 JN Delft e-mail-1: JBRHEBERGEN@et.tudelft.nl The Netherlands e-mail-2: rheberg@morra.et.tudelft.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:37:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:24:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:24:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de!applsrv!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 22 Sep 1994 07:37:07 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 52 Message-Id: <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >it uses from my old to my new system. [......] >On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >If I start Kermit under Windows, everything works just fine, but then >the serial ports just look like 8250's and all benefits of high speed >UARTS are therefore lost. In another usegroup (can't rem. exact name, something like "ms-windows.comm") someone posted a Microsoft info file that sayed 16550A support for *DOS programs* is a new feature of WfW 3.11 that Win3.1 did not have. [....] >Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new problems now: (1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a 2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine. (2) I used to run my connection with 19200 Baud before. This is still possible with my new PC in terminal mode and when transferring "non-binary" files, however when I try to download zip-Files I get lots of retries. No problem with 9600 Baud. The 19200-Baud problem is independent of whether or not I start Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit (Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are better). So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, 16550A and Kermit. Thanx in advance Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 12:38:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:38:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:38:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit/SLIP/modem <-- Question! Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:38:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35rtrq$q6s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> jbrhebergen@et.tudelft.nl writes: > I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with > a 14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university. > How do I go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our > sys admin says no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver > right? and set some kermit settings, right? > Right. From the KERMIT.HLP file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 diskette: MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps: 1. SET PORT 1 (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection). 2. SET SPEED 19200 (or whatever speed you will be using) 3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE) Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection! SLIP and Xon/Xoff are incompatible with each other. 4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be providing SLIP service. Determine the IP address and other information (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you. Normally, these are displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode. 5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit. The connection is left open. 6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example: slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200 7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again. Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the serial port where SLIP is running. Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS, SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands. Then, to make a connection, use SET PORT TCP
, where
is the IP hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to. Note: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for example, Cisco terminal servers can do this). Also, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:01:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:01:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:01:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:01:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35rv72$r0c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> phelanp@ins.infonet.net (Patrick Phelan) writes: > Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13 > to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ? I keep trying to get this to > work, but never have enough time to really see it through. > Not to my knowledge, although we have had quite a few inquiries about it. We do not have an Intel modem on hand, nor any documentation. If we had the documentation, we could easily adapt one of the existing modem dialing scripts. So could you. Here is our current collection of modem scripts: Modem Type DOS Filename Internet * AT&T DataPort 14400 DATAPORT.SCR kermit/a/msmdatap.scr * Boca 14.4 Faxmodem BOCA.SCR kermit/a/msmboca.scr * Digicom Connection144+ CONN144P.SCR kermit/a/msmc144p.scr Hayes 1200 or 2400 HAYES.SCR kermit/a/msmhayes.scr * Hayes Ultra 144 ULTRA144.SCR kermit/a/msmultra.scr * Multitech MT1432 MT1432.SCR kermit/a/msmmt1432.scr * Penril Alliance V.32 PENRIL.SCR kermit/a/msmpenril.scr * Practical Peripherals PP14400.SCR kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr Rolm CBX DCM ROLM.SCR kermit/a/msmrolm.scr * SupraFAXmodem V.32bis SUPRA.SCR kermit/a/msmsupra.scr * Telebit QBlazer V.32 QBLAZER.SCR kermit/a/msmqblazer.scr * Telebit T3000 V.32bis T3000.SCR kermit/a/msmt3000.scr * US Robotics Sportster SPORT.SCR kermit/a/msmsport.scr Vadic VA2400PA VA2400PA.SCR kermit/a/msmva2400.scr ** VIVA 2442ef FAX/MODEM VIVA.SCR kermit/a/msmviva.scr * Wang 14/14i or 14/14e WANG14.SCR kermit/a/msmwang14.scr * Zoltrix Platinum 14400 PP14400.SCR kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr * Zoom Telephonics 14400 ZOOM.SCR kermit/a/msmzoom.scr * ZyXEL 1496 ZYXEL.SCR kermit/a/msmzyxel.scr The ones marked with a single asterisk are for high-speed modems. They are all constructed more or less according to the following steps: 1. Get out your modem manual. 2. Determine the highest speed at which your modem "autobauds", i.e. at which you can type "AT" and carriage return, and the AT echoes, and the modem prints OK. Hopefully this will be 57600 or 38400. Include a SET SPEED command for this speed. 3. Make sure the modem is set to echo and to return word result codes. The commands are usually E1 V1 Q0. 4. Make sure your modem is set to hang up when the computer turns off the DTR signal. The command is usually something like &D2. 5. Make sure your modem is set to turn off its DCD (Data Carrier Detect) signal if the connection drops. The command is usually &C1. This doesn't actually make any difference in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and earlier, but it's good practice, and can be used with SET CARRIER ON in future releases of MS-DOS Kermit. 6. Issue the commands to enable modulation negotiation starting at the highest level your modem supports (V.34 or V.32bis), and working down. The commands are highly modem-specific. Unnecessary for modems that do this automatically based on the interface speed. 7. Enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control. This is ESSENTIAL when using error-correcting modems. Again, the command is modem-specific. 8. Make the modem pass the BREAK signal through transparently. 9. Enable error correction with fallback, preferably V.42 with fallback to the various MNP levels. 10. Enable data compression with fallback, preferably V.42bis with fallback to the various MNP levels. 11. IMPORTANT: Enable "automatic speed buffering", i.e. make sure the modem's interface speed is fixed, i.e. does not change in response the modulation negotiation. 12. Using any of the high-speed modem scripts as a template, substitute your modem's commands for the ones in the script. 13. Check the remainder of the script to make sure the modem responses used there agree with those given by your modem (CONNECT, BUSY, NO DIALTONE, etc). 14. Include comments saying what each command does. 15. Test your script thoroughly, then send it by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu so we can add it to our collection. In the comment section, unless you have strenuous objections, include your name and e-mail address in case questions come up later. That should do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:28:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:42:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:42:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!cederman From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Subject: Uploading Text files Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: armstrong.cs.buffalo.edu Organization: UB X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:28:46 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello again, Here I am to talk about my solution for the problem with Qmodem/Zmodem. If you change your protocal to Kermit and use Kermit to upload Text files... You will not have any problems. And don't worry about a 0.0001 seconds of time one way or the other. (cederman) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 17:56:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:29:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:29:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:56:06 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 35 Message-Id: <35sgfm$onn@news.ysu.edu> References: <35qgqq$q7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright >Christian P) writes: >> I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get >> the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will >> use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try >> it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but >> repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ... >> >That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE >command in MSKERMIT.INI. > >We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of >your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI. > >Then you won't get into this kind of trouble. > >- Frank > >x >x >x > It could also be that if you are using MSKERMIT.INI in a non-PC clone MSDOS environment. There is a minor bug in older MSKERMIT.INIs that will never take MSCUSTOM.INI if MSKERMIT determines it is not being called from a Kermit that identifies itself as IBM PC version. I sent Frank the fix a while back. I imagine it is in the lastest release? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 16:47:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:28:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:28:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Redialing, Divide overflow error Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:47:13 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 43 Message-Id: <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying. I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack. I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts. Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script: ____________________________________________________________ :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. ;*********************************** ;*lets stretch out the retry count* ;*********************************** ;set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. set count 500 ; my count echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL ;set alarm 30 ;pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. ;**************************************** ;*lets be quicker about redials an so on* ;*alarm and pause number should be = * ;**************************************** set alarm 3 pause 3 if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 -------------------------------------------------------------- -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 03:27:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:35:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:35:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 22 Sep 1994 03:27:31 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <35npq6$9a9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : In article <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, : Rick Matthews wrote: : :Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, : :but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions : :of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 : :for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. : I've never seen any : indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed : data files, which is all I care about. : I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files : and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent : always eludes me. I just transferred a GIF file and a text file, each about 180Kbytes. On the GIF file, I timed Kermit at 96.5% of zmodem speed, close to your experience with compressed files. For the text file, Kermit was 106.2% of zmodem speed. : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 02:14:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:49:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Message-Id: <1994Sep22.081422.27598@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 08:14:22 MDT References: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu>, chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) writes: > I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get > the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will > use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try > it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but > repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that > there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the > kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if > I change them in that file. > Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a > vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable? > Any help will be appreciated. > Thanks. > -Chris ---------- Perhaps the name "kermit.ini" is the culprit. MS-DOS Kermit expects name MSKERMIT.INI; that's built into the program. That file, in turn, can contain a line saying TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI and so on. Joe D. P.S. This group has just appeared in my (Utah State Univ) News reader so I can now follow the conversations (or make a good try). Realize that News may take one (my case) or two days to reach outlying districts. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:21:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:21:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 22 Sep 1994 23:00:48 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line: Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to work with BNU loaded on COM2:. Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 02:22:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 01:50:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 01:50:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Message-Id: <1994Sep22.082245.27601@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 08:22:44 MDT References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca (YATES, JODYE) writes: > Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is > that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns > inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even > recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I > load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so > the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit > downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? > > All help would be appreciated. > > Jodye. --------- Word processor files are NOT TEXT(!), they are pure data for that particular program. Which means they are loaded to the gills with binary formatting and whatnot material throughout. Treat such files as BINARY. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 23:31:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:04:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:04:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: ramon@gcti.com (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: man page for kermit? Date: 22 Sep 1994 18:31:48 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a man page for kermit somewhere?? -Ramon Herrera GCT, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 12:11:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:37:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:37:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:11:54 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35rsaa$1dj@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu YATES, JODYE (j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca) wrote: : Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is : that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns : inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even : recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I : load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so : the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit : downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? You need to do a little homework to find out how your files differ from standard ascii, and whether the hard returns exist in the original file. On a UNIX system you can use the command xd -c filename to view the file byte by byte, including control codes and codes greater than 127. If you see \n (linefeed) scattered through your text, the hard returns are already there, so you may be stuck. If there are other problems, you have a couple of options. The UNIX "col" command will strip backspaces and reverse line feeds from the file. If there are other control codes that are giving WordPerfect a hard time, I have a short Fortran program that strips all control codes except newline and all eight-bit codes from your file. It also corrects for backspaces, leaving only the "topmost" character in the file. The program does use the functions "getc" and "putc" for single character I/O. These commons are available on many systems, but are certainly not standard Fortran and may not be available on your system. It would be a piece of cake for a C programmer to translate program, and getc and putc are standard in C. If you are interested, I'll email it to you. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:26:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:44:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:44:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!qiongw From: qiongw@srvr1.engin.umich.edu (greek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:26:37 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 4 Message-Id: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: greek.engin.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? How can I prevent this? Thanks! -Joan From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:08:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:13:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:13:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Computer hangs when line is dropped. Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:08:26 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 37 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35sroa$26u@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35plgl$ldg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >> new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >> as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >> >This kind of thing is most typically caused by a system peculiarity: > . Noisy bus. As I said two other comm programs have absolutely no troubles using this setup: Linux (minicom to be precise) and Terminate. > . A TSR that is grabbing interrupts that Kermit is supposed to see; > unload all your TSRs, drivers, etc, to isolate the problem. Done that, and again, other programs do work. > . A buggy modem. Many internal modems have been known to cause this > kind of behavior -- please read the KERMIT.BWR file. I still have the external modem, the same as with the old system. >Also, be sure you are using the current version of Kermit, 3.13, at >the current patch level, which is 21. Used that one. The symptoms I experience are the same as those reported in another follow-up to my questions: 1. Sometimes the computer locks immediately when Kermit starts 2. But more often it hangs when the line is dropped by the modem BTW although I have a PCI system, the multi-i/o card is 16-bit ISA. Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 11:27:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:16:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:16:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: <1994Sep22.172755.27645@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 17:27:55 MDT References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but > it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP > packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > > I load the packet driver with this command: > > C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 > > After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to > the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: > > MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com > MS-Kermit>connect > Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting > ?Cannot start the connection. > MS-Kermit> > > I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 > driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a > TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer > version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of > the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from > memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. ------------ Ok, folks. I have the answer to the puzzle. SLIP8250.COM v11.x is broken compared to earlier releases. In particular it fails to support the request to obtain a hardware/MAC address. Older versions said none, but no error, for slip. The v11.7 code does not seem to even want to discuss the matter and returns an error for the function request. Kermit sees the error response and bails out. Suggestions and workarounds. For the moment I suggest one of: - trying Etherslip, which makes an Ethernet framed pkt to the app and adds a fake Ethernet address for inquiring apps. I haven't tried v11.x yet. - go back to SLIP8250.COM v9.x (the one without a transmit buffer, which will be my rewrite to work solidly, see below), - wait til we shove MSK v3.14 out the door with a workaround just written to deal with this Crynwr v11.x problem. Etherslip is file ethersl.com. Same core material as my stuff. I placed a copy of my v9.1 SLIP8250.COM program in directory kermit on netlab2.usu.edu in case you can't find a pre-v11.x copy. I don't want to mix this with the v11.x archive for obvious reasons. Joe D. P.S. Russ: let's unbreak SLIP8250 please. Tnx. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:38:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:37:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!uchinews!iitmax!thssjyh From: thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:30:39 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >>it uses from my old to my new system. >[......] >[....] > >>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? > >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new >problems now: > Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot of BIOS or mother board problems. Your best bet is return to your dealer and ask for a New BIOS or exchange for a new board. One of my friend is a PC technician for a local PC store and he told me this point. He himself bought a system and Windows wouldn't run if there was a 5.25" floppy drive. He changed the board and the problem is gone. However , the newer BIOS , the new board still has trouble to send strings to COM port and as a result, comm program's auto dialer won't work for most of time and zmodem never works. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 15:07:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:46:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:46:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!erin.utoronto.ca!tuzo.erin!aveglio From: aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) Subject: Kermit under Telix terminal program Message-Id: Sender: news@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: tuzo.erin Organization: Erindale College, University of Toronto, Canada Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:07:00 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out without transfering anything. All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. Many Thanks Andrew _ __ Andrew Veglio / \ / /\ aveglio@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Micro/Electronics Department / ^ \ / / / (905)828-3715 University of Toronto / ___ \/ / / CANADA Erindale College, Room 2004 /_/ __\__/ / \_\/ \___/ -- _ __ Andrew Veglio / \ / /\ aveglio@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Micro/Electronics Department / ^ \ / / / (905)828-3715 University of Toronto / ___ \/ / / CANADA some of those require a matching terminating sequence before proceeding, and some can turn on transparent printing (a favorite way of hanging the machine until DOS itself finally gives up trying an unavailable printer). Modems ought not do this, but there we are. To try bypassing the problems, try a) press ALT = to reset the terminal emulator, b) issue hangup at the Kermit prompt to get there first. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 17:00:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:04:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu (Rob Gibson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:00:39 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 5 Sender: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu Message-Id: <35sd7n$1p8@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have never had a problem using kermit with my Intel 400/i. I have the 400/i set to use com1 and hardware flow control and I have kermit set to use RTS/CTS flow control. -- Rob Gibson ARPA: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 04:57:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SLIP8250 Message-Id: <1994Sep22.105724.27621@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 10:57:24 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) > >Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > >I load the packet driver with this command: > >C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 > >After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to >the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: > >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com >MS-Kermit>connect >Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting >?Cannot start the connection. >MS-Kermit> > >I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 >driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a >TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer >version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. > >Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250 >and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13? > >And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen >in love with it! The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the >built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to >access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine >with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft >Windows. The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb, >as well. > >Thanks for your help. >Jim Monty >monty@indirect.com ----------- I may have to reissue the SLIP8250 Packet Driver I wrote and then someone modified for the latest Crynwr release. What I did worked fine here. But I have received reports from others that the latest Crynwr edition has troubles. We will have to see how to offer my item without introducing confusion in the PD arena. [Russ, if you are reading this lets get together and solve the problem.] Joe D. tart Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent >of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit >(Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances >of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are >better). Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program. >So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, >16550A and Kermit. The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines, SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out. Joe D. >Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de >Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 >Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 >85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:43:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:44:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:44:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:43:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. > Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is > unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is > essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. > Matter of preference. If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right. On the other hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket. This is an old and neverending debate and there's no right or wrong. In many situations, Zmodem is just fine -- particularly in the BBS world where one does not find the many obstructions that exist on mainframes and minicomputers, networks, and so on. It works out of the box, and goes fast. But as soon as you bring multiuser computers, terminal servers, networks, PADs, IBM mainframes, and assorted other factors besides just two PCs and two modems into the picture, users have to do just as much tuning to get Zmodem to work as Kermit users have to do to get Kermit -- which already works in these environments -- to go fast. It's not worth arguing about. When there are variables -- like word size, packet length, window size, etc -- they must have defaults. If you don't like the defaults, you can change them. This applies equally to Kermit and to Zmodem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:48:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:48:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:48:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upr3$a2d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> qiongw@news-server.engin.umich.edu (greek) writes: > I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower > case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? > How can I prevent this? Thanks! > Read in the documentation about the SET FILE NAMES command. By default, Kermit converts filenames into an innocuous "canonical" form during transfer, so as not to upset receiving systems that might not support lowercase letters, multiple dots, wierd punctuation, etc. If you don't want Kermit to do that, simply tell it not to. You already must have done something with the file names, because UNIX C-Kermit (including Linux), unless you tell it otherwise, converts the incoming "canonical form" (uppercase) filenme back to lowercase. So if you had not messed with the defaults, you probably would not have wound up with uppercase filenames. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:50:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:50:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:50:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:50:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upvt$a6p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: > I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol > as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system > using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it > does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. > I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 > Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out > without transfering anything. > All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit > is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. > Try MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix. If it works and Telix doesn't, then report the problem to the Telix people. If MS-DOS Kermit doesn't work either, then report it to kermit@columbia.edu and we'll be glad to help. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:53:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:54:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:54:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: man page for kermit? Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:53:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35uq61$acb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> ramon@gcti.com (Ramon F Herrera) writes: > Is there a man page for kermit somewhere?? > Since you say "man page", you are probably referring to UNIX C-Kermit? Of course there's a man page. It comes with C-Kermit. If you ordered it from us on tape or cartridge, it's there with all the other files. If you ftp'd the ckuXXX.tar.Z file, it's in the tar archive. The name of the man page file is ckuker.nr. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 16:19:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:19:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:19:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem Sharing Over TCP/IP Date: 23 Sep 1994 16:19:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35uv5o$fs4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35sr7b$6fk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:66334 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35sr7b$6fk@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article , Will Estes > wrote: > >: I use cisco terminal servers, and have a modempool setup on the > >: cs500. I am sure other terminal servers are perfectly capable of > >: doing the same. > >: Anyone can telnet to the IP address and gets the next modem in the > >: rotary. > >So how would this help to redirect COM1 on a DOS or Windows machine > >to the modem pool? > > ... Under DOS you could run ms-kermit over > a packet driver and telnet to the modem's IP address, then chat with > the modem to dial out. A little extra work but since kermit's dialers > are done with scripts anyway you could hide it all if you want. > Yup. Also, C-Kermit (for UNIX, OS/2, VMS, AOS/VS, and Stratus VOS) supports this too, in a very natural way. First you "set host" to the terminal server, then you "set modem" to the appropriate modem type, and then you dial. Real easy. See "Using C-Kermit", Chapter 3, especially p.74, for further details. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x (Apologies for the x's - my news program made me do it...) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 01:12:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:11:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:11:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!duke.usask.ca!lowey From: lowey@duke.usask.ca (Kevin Lowey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:12:59 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 48 Message-Id: <35ta2r$smc@tribune.usask.ca> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duke.usask.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Chandler (chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu) wrote: : Steven Patrick Iltis (iltiss@rice.edu) wrote: : : Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? : No, they are different protocols. True, they are different protocols, but it is also true that you can use rz and sz with kermit, if you use an external Zmodem program like DSZ (for DOS). I use the OS/2 kermit, and an external SZ and RZ program. I start SZ going on the unix box, escape back to kermit, start the "rz" program running, and download my files. I can also go the other way. I never use the Kermit protocol for downloading any more. I just use the Kermit program for the excellent terminal emulation. : : If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest : : transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a : : 14.4 modem. : 1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. I have the 16550an uart in my computer, and use OS/2 2.11, and OS/2 versions of Kermit and external Zmodem protocols. My Zyxel modem is locked at 57600bps between the modem and my serial port. I have a 486/33 cpu. When I transfer pre-compressed .ZIP files between two 19200bps Zyxel modems, I consistantly get 2222cps. Even when running tasks in other windows. When my Zyxel connects to a slower 14400bps modem, I usually get about 1550cps on .ZIP files. Of course, all bets are off on text files. I've had some that have gone at up to 7000cps. -- - Kevin Lowey (Kevin.Lowey@USask.CA, Client Services Educational Services Team) http://www.usask.ca/~lowey/ --- gopher skynet.usask.ca 1982 CB650SC, DoD#975 - The ride is my true destination. I'm just collateral damage of the Political Correctness Movement Steven Wright Says ... My house is on the median strip of a highway. You don't really notice, except I have to leave the driveway doing 60 mph. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 01:45:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:18:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:17:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux4!rf13 From: rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:45:03 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.253.232.66 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new >problems now: >(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system >hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error >happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I >already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly >initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for >port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a >2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine. [...] >So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, >16550A and Kermit. I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have the exact same problem. I don't think it's Kermit's fault though, as I have seen it happen with other programs that access the COM ports ( including MSD). I have noticed two things: (1) It happens less often if I don't load the dreaded EMM386 memory manager. I don't use this "thing" when I use Kermit and/or Windows. (2) It is *much* more likely to happen if I turn the modem on after the computer has finished booting, or if I turn the modem on and off at any other time. So now I first turn on my modem (an external USR Sportster 14.4K) then boot the computer, and only turn the modem off at the end of the day. I'd like to hear more about this matter, but I'm not sure this is the proper newsgroup for it. Cheers, Ramin From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 23 03:29:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:29:52 -0700 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35ti3g$4i6@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu qiongw@news-server.engin.umich.edu (greek) writes: >I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? How can I prevent this? Thanks! > -Joan Using C-Kermit, Frank DaCruz, 1993, Digital Press, page 114: SET FILE NAMES LITERAL Is probably also mentioned in the .hlp files with the Kermit distribution (ftp kermit.columbia.edu). Check also out the command: SET ATTRIBUTES ON From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 00:34:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!hsdndev!cfanews!cfa0!chandler From: chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:34:01 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bjorn Kihlberg (psybk@pew.psy.gu.se) wrote: : John Chandler (chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu) wrote: : : Steven Patrick Iltis (iltiss@rice.edu) wrote: : I am myself forced (:-)) to use kermit instead of rz/sz and would love to get : the same througput. What is the major obstruction? Packet length? You need to tune the parameters according to the type of connection. Yes, set the packet length to a thousand or two, enable sliding windows, and turn off flow control if you can get away without it. If you have binary files to transfer (but, then, you wouldn't likely get any compression out of the modem!), you need to set up for 8-bit transmission if possible and also to suppress prefixing for as many control characters as you can. Obviously, the 8-bit consideration also applies if you have text files with extended character sets. -- John F. Chandler chandler@cfa.harvard.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 23 03:36:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:26:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:26:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:36:56 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <35tigo$4j2@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: > I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol >as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system >using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it >does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. > I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 >Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out >without transfering anything. > All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit >is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. IMHO it doesn't make any sense to run the Kermit file transfer protocol under Telix. Just use Kermit INSTEAD of Telix. So far, I have only heard of people that think Kermit file transfer is slow (not true) and therefore want to run zmodem under Kermit. Your 7E1 connection is exactly the reason why Kermit was invented in the first place. Don't even think of downloading binary data with X/Y/Zmodem. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:58:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:40:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redialing, Divide overflow error Message-Id: <1994Sep22.205836.27653@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 20:58:36 MDT References: <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com>, jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) writes: > > I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts > from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c > my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying. > I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack. ^^^^^^^^------- Hmmm > I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts. > Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script: > ____________________________________________________________ > > :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. > clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. > ;*********************************** > ;*lets stretch out the retry count* > ;*********************************** > ;set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. > set count 500 ; my count > echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... > echo > pause 1 > goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message > > :REDIAL > ;set alarm 30 > ;pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. > ;**************************************** > ;*lets be quicker about redials an so on* > ;*alarm and pause number should be = * > ;**************************************** > set alarm 3 > pause 3 > if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} > echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. > pause 1 > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I am going to guess the timer stuff spanned midnight and the time of day calculations failed (INPUT has a divide when converting seconds to HHMMSS stuff in t e code). I am NOT going to sit up til midnight to find out, thankyouverymuch. But I will inspect the code and try to catch the difficulty. Just as a general warning, timers crossing midnight are going to lead to confusion because I don't try to carry a day number around in the code (it's expensive). I do try to follow the great circle path, but it may not be foolproof everywhere. Workaround: let's both get some sleep. Thanks for the "timely" remark since MSK 3.14 would have the same problem. Joe D. P.S. Another generality. It helps us a lot to know the version number of the Kermit you are using (on both ends if that's the case). Please add that information to your queries. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 07:04:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:51:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Message-Id: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 13:04:48 MDT References: <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home > with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line: > > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 > > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. > > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? ------------- If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no guarantees that this always works. The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 09:00:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:53:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:53:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pentia, Windows Kermit, etc Message-Id: <1994Sep23.150019.27714@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 15:00:19 MDT References: <1994Sep22.105326.27620@cc.usu.edu> <35v4gd$j7t@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly > ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can > do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around > in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz, > not 10, is this relevant here? That's relevant. The "standard" bus speed is 8.33MHz, and above it all bets are off. Wait states are tweakable on some systems, and maybe ought not to be. DMA transfer details can hog the bus if you have a bus master board which uses that method (SCSI boards for example, and sound boards). > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to > the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries > only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not > with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading > files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it > isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just > forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround. It still looks like a flow control problem to me, or a disk cache program effect (dumping its accumlation and taking its sweet time about it). But there could be something strange on the Unix side which echos XON/XOFF back to the DOS machine right in the middle of other bytes. The way I do first tier diagnosis is by recording a packet log on both ends and then wading through it looking for hints. That's the LOG PACKET command. If you have control codes unprefixed then that is a nice opening for systems to play with the data stream. If you have a terminal server or other piece of electronics in the path then that may need inspection for byte-greed too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 05:23:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:46:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:46:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Microcom AX/9624c mnp class 6 dialing script? Date: 23 Sep 1994 05:23:45 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 2 Message-Id: <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast? From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 06:41:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:28:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:28:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!acsu.buffalo.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Message-Id: <-CwKC6r.DrB@acsu.buffalo.edu> Control: cancel Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:41:57 GMT Approved: news@acsu.buffalo.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 09:08:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!heun From: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Volker Heun) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Date: 23 Sep 1994 09:08:38 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Reply-To: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Nntp-Posting-Host: hpmayr2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Originator: heun@hpmayr2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13 Thanks in advance Volker \\\// (o-o) ..........................oOO..\ /..OOo...................................... Volker Heun v Email: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Institut f"ur Informatik Phone: +49-89-2105-2686 Technische Universit"at M"unchen Fax: +49-89-2105-5297 Arcisstr. 21 Room: (SB2) S2238 D-80290 M"unchen WWW: http://hpmayr1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/ Germany personen/heun.html ............................................................................. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:04:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:50:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:50:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!degood From: degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:04:47 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 27 Message-Id: <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavuu.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: : p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: : >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a : >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new : >problems now: : : >(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system : >hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error : >happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. : : I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have : the exact same problem. I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st time after poweron. I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in kermit's initialization code instead. John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 10:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 22:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 22:28:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:13:54 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 26 Message-Id: <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: >Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot >of BIOS or mother board problems. First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple 8250 then. So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds. While I use Terminate, I can download texts with 65% efficiency of 57600 bps (v42.bis compression), play and change tracks of audio CD's, let Terminate warn me through my Soundblaster and use my mouse. I think that shows that there are no problems with this setup and that IRQ conflicts are not there. I get the same perfect results while using minicom under Linux: expected 65% efficiency of 57600 bps while downloading with ZMODEM. Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? Richard. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 17:50:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:07:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:07:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de!applsrv!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pentia, Windows Kermit, etc Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:50:05 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 51 Message-Id: <35v4gd$j7t@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <1994Sep22.105326.27620@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik's response to my posting was quite helpful with regard to one of two problems I'm experiencing with my new Pentium PC, namely, the reason for system hangs when starting Kermit for the first time after booting: > The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines, >SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing >special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty >much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out. (msd says I've got a "16650AF" UART, the computer handbook calls it "SMC665", however) Regarding the other problem (lots of retries when downloading binary files with 19200 Baud), what he sayed in the following quote seems relevant to me: >Common suggestions include do thoroughly check >for conflicts and excessive bus speed on the serial stuff. I have no PCI >system myself so I can not run down the list of bugs in the current crop >of motherboards. I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz, not 10, is this relevant here? > Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest >that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK >runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program. I promise never to mention Windows Kermit again! :) (Actually I nearly only use it in cases when nothing else, e.g. Alt-' (German keyboard!), helps to clear the Comm port). I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround. Thanks for all responses to my question, and also in advance, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:52:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:56:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!eaog136 From: eaog136@rigel.oac.uci.edu (Quan Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:52:29 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 18 Message-Id: <35uq3d$ue@news.service.uci.edu> References: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Volker Heun wrote: > >Hello, > >does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 >on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? set com3 \x03E8 5 set port 3 -- *X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X Quan Nguyen eaog136@rigel.oac.uci.edu Program in Social Relations qnguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu University of California, Irvine From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:21:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 01:04:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 01:04:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!degood From: degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:21:51 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 26 Message-Id: <35urqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavuu.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Following-up to my own post, I earlier wrote: : I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) : with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it : first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I : then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that : Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I : use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st : time after poweron. : : I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race : condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in : kermit's initialization code instead. I just discovered in another posting: In <1994Sep22.082102.27600@cc.usu.edu> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > There are known bugs with the big square chip simulating 16550As > on some Pentium systems, and MSK 3.14 (not out) works around them. The bug > is normally associated with first use of a serial port after a boot. My system is not Pentium-based, but perhaps "the big square chip" (or the 16550 cell it contains) is also used on the other motherboards that have been cited as experiencing kermit hangs on startup? John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 04:46:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:48:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:48:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep23.104605.27691@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 10:46:05 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > >>Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot >>of BIOS or mother board problems. > > First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you > overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore > Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple > 8250 then. > So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure > DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds. > Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. > What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand > so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? > Richard. --------- Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something being peculiar in your machine. I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports, mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern. As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows). Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those sacrifical chickens. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 06:29:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:49:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!cuckoo!esiu From: esiu@ee.ryerson.ca (Edmond Siu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows Modem setup Date: 24 Sep 1994 06:29:25 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: cuckoo.ee.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept communication on com port 4. plese reply if you know the solution From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:46:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:07:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:07:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!black.clarku.edu!kdesai From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai) Subject: Re: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) References: <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Date: 22 Sep 94 14:46:23 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Cliff Stamp) writes: >Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number >of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would >like to lower it to 2. > >Thanks for your time. >-- >Cliff Stamp >sstamp@morgan.physics.mun.ca > Try editing a file named "yourmod.SCR" where yourmod is your modem name, or model filename You can edit MSKERMIT.INI to see which file sets your personnel settings most probably in the end of the file with a statement TAKE 'MYFILE.INI' where myfile is the file with personnel settings, this file will tell you which model file it is using. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:51:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:18:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:18:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!galileo.polito.it!not-for-mail From: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it (Maurizio Codogno) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.computers.folklore Subject: BOO bootstrap Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:51:26 +0200 Organization: CSELT UF/DD - Torino Italy Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: beatles.cselt.stet.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot of time ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with a BOO.COM file which was actually sendable via mail because it contained just printable characters. Could you please send me a copy of it? ciao, .mau. -- Maurizio ".mau." Codogno - CSELT UF/DD - Torino - mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it Well, you can take it any way you want, ... It's a rock'n'roll symphony, and it's gonna be the death of me. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 04:29:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:43:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:43:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Message-Id: <1994Sep23.102938.27688@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 10:29:37 MDT References: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, heun@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Heun) writes: > > Hello, > > does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 > on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? > I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13 > Thanks in advance > > Volker ----------- Please read release text file MSKERM.BWR, particularly the section starting on line 202. SET COMx etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 16:53:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:50:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!forrest From: forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:53:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Message-Id: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toe.cs.berkeley.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, page Y, section Z". This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say "I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material that costs money should also be excused. There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done their homework. -- Anything you read here is my opinion and in no way represents the Univ. of Cal. Jon Forrest WB6EDM forrest@cs.berkeley.edu 510-643-6764 377 Soda Hall, Univ. of Cal., Berkeley, CA. 94720-1776 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 13:27:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Message-Id: <1994Sep23.092720.1929@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 09:27:20 -0400 References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu>, forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) writes: > There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup > recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead > of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating > this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, snip.... maybe we could build a FAQ??? Good point, Jon.... Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ***error, brain i/o fault**** From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 02:42:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:10:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:10:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!puma From: puma@netcom.com (puma) Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: Organization: organized?? me? References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:42:54 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: > >>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? >> with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >>14.4 modem. > >This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do >better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could >THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be >Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all >factors that will also slow down zmodem. 1200 is not 83% of available. The modem strips the start and stop bits, and sends the data between modems in synchronous mode. The potential throughput is actually 10*14400/8, which is 1800 cps. Now, you have to include bytes for controls, command exchanges between the modems, block start and stop, CRCs, all of which reduce the space available for 'real' data. Using Ymodem-G, which doesn't wait between blocks for ack's, I usually get about 1650 to 1680 cps on zip files, which are not really compressible, and much more on text files or .exe files which contain large areas of blanks or zeroes. That improvement, however, is due to the compression. -- puma@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 06:20:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:48:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:48:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep23.122100.27695@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 12:20:59 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com>, degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) writes: > Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: > : p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > : >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a > : >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new > : >problems now: > I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) > with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it > first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I > then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that > Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I > use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st > time after poweron. > > I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race > condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in > kermit's initialization code instead. > > John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM > Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) ----------- For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich guys with shinny new toys. There is a known chip design problem in at least one big square chip, SMC FDC37C665 UART simulator. That item hangs comms programs if the chip is not cleared somehow from the mess it creates for itself during system power on. I don't know if the mistake has occurred in other chips, but it would not surprize me (cellular designs sold here and there to other foundries). Various vendors have been posting notices about fixup programs for their machines. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 has its own code to do the fixup too, and external reports say it works fine. Now this does not exclude other motherboard design mistakes which may mess up things across the bus. There is abundant historical precedent for them especially when an older design is stretched to new speeds. MSK 3.14 tries very hard to dodge potential goofs of this kind, but the hardware guys are very sharp and keep inventing new ones. Users of internal modems should assume that the firmware in their units are equally or more susceptible to modem design mistakes of varying magnitude. MSK 3.13 is more vulnerable to this stuff, simply because it's a little older and did not have the hardware test base which is now available. When 3.14 comes out for beta I hope you fellas will pound on it and let me know what's wrong in as much detail as you can. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 23:45:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 06:02:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 06:02:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux3!rf13 From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 23:45:44 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <35vpb8$m9j@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> <1994Sep23.122100.27695@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.253.232.63 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com>, degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) writes: >> Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: [stuff deleted] > For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich >guys with shinny new toys. [...] > Joe D. Having a bad day Joe? My name appeared in this post even though none of the stuff quoted was mine. Still I don't see why you have to be so rude. For the record I am not rich and I don't have a shinny (sic) toy. Please control your tone in the future. Have a nice day, Ramin From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:00:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:00:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:00:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:00:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 181 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) writes: > There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup > recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead > of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating > this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, > page Y, section Z". > > This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say > "I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand > what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material > that costs money should also be excused. > > There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done > their homework. > Thank you, Jon. We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to purchase the documentation because: 1. It's not that expensive. 2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations, tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index. 3. It relieves the load on the network. 4. It frees up time of Kermit developers and tech support people to do more development and tech support. 5. Most important of all, income from the sales of Kermit manuals is the primary source of income that funds the Kermit effort. KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. 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Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:03:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:03:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:03:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BOO bootstrap Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:03:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361il8$rmq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it (Maurizio Codogno) writes: > Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot > of time ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with > a BOO.COM file which was actually sendable via mail because it contained > just printable characters. Could you please send me a copy of it? > Amazing, but true: ---(cut here)--- XPHPD[0GG0G,0G51G31GB'(G+(G:u'0g?(G>(GE1G@arwIV_F*=US@<1|_,5wXNg-7muTu(4 1m2?352t0osr2e3K1q2s0s3e0W1_F0:sss1@2G0t1k0s3p0@3T1m3>52f3>1k0t3<2C0@3T2 K1g2?0@3T1Fm3U51g3<1q0s3:0@3T1g3r1l0ts1>0I@3T1m3i52e0O2;h0L1_Eg352s0m3S2 j0W1g3of0<1;2?0r1m0s3:1>0m@3T2e0R1FH2E1m0s3:1>0B3^0=2g3=1g3s0@3T2e0@3^1t 2e0<1>0m1m0s361>0e1l0s371g3r1:0P@3T1:0P2e1hDk0s3q0V1F2M1_3_c2o3Z1=0Y1=0c 2s0o2Ag3H0CSCS1:0=F[1:0=2s0]352k0t1]2s0U390^3<1KL2D1Dc0sf1]2L0UE^1T2HfTZ X3mS2@F5C6G3S2Y\_X3a25BB3W2HacTV^\aZ3S2gb3S2Y\_X3mSW28eebe3S2Whe\aZ3S2Y\ _X3S2<3b2B3W2Abg3S2XabhZ[3S2`X`bel3W4 ---(cut)--- From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:06:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:12:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!gaissmai From: karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de (Karl Gaissmaier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:06:13 GMT Organization: Universitaet Ulm Lines: 56 Sender: gaissmai%noc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Gaissmaier) Distribution: world Message-Id: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Reply-To: karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.rz.uni-ulm.de Keywords: kermit, telnet, download, retransmissions Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hello kermit wizards, kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: (kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or DOWNLOADING binary files. Any hints? Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3, in my special case it is necessary: PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost i tried to track down the problem with our Sniffer, but i have no kermit protocol definition and i can't see any strange things in the sniffer dump. Therefore my next questions: How can i get the kermit protocol definition? How can i get the zmodem protocol definition? thanks in advance for any help Charly PS: by the way, i use the following version on all unix boxes: C-Kermit>sh version Versions: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Numeric: 501189 UNIX Communications support, 5A(110), 26 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD UNIX File support, 5A(074) 11 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(055), 4 Jun 93 C-Kermit functions, 5A(089) 11 Jun 93 Command package 5A(053), 21 Nov 92 User Interface 5A(103), 26 Jun 93 Character Set Translation 5A(020), 2 May 93 CONNECT Command for UNIX, 5A(054) 26 May 93 Dial Command, 5A(050) 26 Jun 93 Script Command, 5A(016) 26 Jun 93 Network support, 5A(019) 8 Jun 93 ========================================================================= Universitaet Ulm karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de Universitaetsrechenzentrum postmaster, networkadministrator Karl Gaissmaier Telefon: (Germany) +49 731/5022499 D-89069 Ulm Telefax: (Germany) +49 731/5022471 ========================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:31:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:31:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:31:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:31:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-Id: <361k8a$t2t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de (Karl Gaissmaier) writes: > kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: > > (kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) > > if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with > to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or > DOWNLOADING binary files. > The usual one: SET PARITY SPACE and turn off any control-character unprefixing. Of course, you can unprefix whatever control characters are safe, but it's always best to start off without it. Control characters are prefixed by default for a reason! > Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3, > in my special case it is necessary: > > PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost > Here's another idea for you -- it might work better than Telnet, provided your Telnet servers are 8-bit clean: Use C-Kermit instead of Telnet on the gatehost, and tell it to: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE SET FLOW-CONTROL NONE CONNECT Make sure you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) here, because it is WAY more efficient in this situation (in CONNECT mode between two other hosts that are transferring files) than earlier releases. To avoid confusion about which Kermit you are escaping back to, use SET ESCAPE to set different escape characters on the different Kermit programs. > [I'm using] C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 > C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:27:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:27:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:27:11 GMT Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign Lines: 41 Distribution: na Message-Id: <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: procyon.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think I have figured it out. I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the files on the destination machine were being refused because of the date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So, for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has a more recent last-accessed date. This can't be what people want. Here are the details: home computer: C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit Numeric: 501190 with a FAT file system DIR ANN3.TEX: ANN3.TEX 1332 9-24-94 12:17 destination computer: C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) ls -l ann3.tex: -rw------- 1 adam academic 1293 Sep 24 12:15 ann3.tex ls -lu ann3.tex: -rw------- 1 adam academic 1293 Sep 24 12:23 ann3.tex Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:32:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:32:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:32:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Microcom AX/9624c mnp class 6 dialing script? Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:32:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361nqu$2rj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast? > None to my knowledge. I posted a long message about MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts yesterday. They all follow a basic template. Writing a dialing script for a new kind of modem is fairly simple -- you pick a dialing script for a similar kind of modem, sit down with your modem manual, and replace the modem- specific commands for setting modulation, flow control, error correction, compression, etc, with the ones for your modem. MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts are plain-text files, profusely commented. They should be very easy to deal with by anybody who knows how to read a modem manual and use a text editor. Numerous working scripts are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, text mode, files msm*.*. Anybody who adapts any of these scripts to a hitherto unsupported modem is encouraged to send their work back to Columbia (via email to kermit@columbia.edu) to be included in the collection, so that others may use it too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:36:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:36:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:36:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS / VMS Transfer Performance Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:36:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 115 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361o3b$34t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thought I would repost this oldie-but-goodie... In article gap5u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Gregory Perron) writes: > > I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort > to my PC. 14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have > us robotics. I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc. But, > downloads have been hideous. > > I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers. I > *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure. [I get flawless > 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all > the -ebrw permutations I could think of. > > On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC. On the vax, > ckermit pops up and says: > Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax. > You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two new features described below. C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. > My ckermit.ini file has: > set send pack 1000 > This command is not needed; see the documentation. > set receive pack 1000 > set buff 20000 20000 > set file type bin > set windows 10 > set block 3 > > Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file. > And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm > only at 9600, modem report aside. > I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 distribution). My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was also active between the answering modem and the terminal server. In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got. Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps. Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning. Next I tell C-Kermit to: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255 (version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and the TELNET IAC character). Now I get 1549 cps. Note: control-character unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text files. Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost" models, and so lacks a buffered UART. All of the above transfers suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns. Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a 16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput goes up to 1601 cps. Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000). Throughput: 1608 cps. And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down a lot. Let's see. I turn both off: Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required). Modem: ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000) and download the file again. Result: 1616 cps. Not a big difference. Lessons (most of which apply mainly to this particular type of connection): 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs. 2. Be sure to get the flow control right at both ends. 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows (4 or more). 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing. 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little difference. Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS NONE. Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics. Read the documentation. Ditto for all the other variables we have looked at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:41:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:41:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:41:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:41:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361obn$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE > setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the > files on the destination machine were being refused because of the > date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine > had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So, > for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has > a more recent last-accessed date. > ... > destination computer: > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) > Quite correct. This was a bug in C-Kermit 5A(188), and it was fixed in 5A(189). If you replace the Kermit version on your Sun by the current released version, 5A(189), or the soon-to-be-formally-released 5A(190), which is in the final stages of Beta testing, the problem should (will) go away. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x's for my news poster, sorry. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 18:06:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:06:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Chatting with Mac Kermit Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:06:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361pqd$4fs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Hi, I am using Kermit on a MacPowerbook 160 with 10megs of ram and a > Powerport Silver internal modem. I would like to set up a direct link to > a friend of mine who has a Mac Plus with currently 1meg (plans to > upgrade to 4) and an external Hayes modem. When I am saying direct link, > I mean that I like to be able to type something on my screen that would > then appear on his screen and vice-versa. His wife is deaf and he would > like to be able to communicate with her long-distance. Can Kermit do > this? > Yes. One modem must be put in "answer mode", which is not the normal mode for modems to be in. This is generally done by giving it a command like: ATS0=2 (see your modem manual). The steps on the answering end would be: 1. Start Kermit on the Mac. 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed. 3. Type "ats0=2" (and Return) at the modem, in the terminal screen. 4. In the Terminal Settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo" 5. Wait for a call to come in. This must be done before a call is placed. On the calling end: 1. Start Kermit on the Mac. 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed. 3. Type "atdt" and the phone number, and Return, in the terminal screen. 4. In the Terminal settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo" 5. Wait for call to be answered. Now the two parties can chat. When it's time to hang up, they should: 1. Do nothing for at least one second. 2. Type +++ in the terminal screen. 3. Do nothing for at least one second. 5. Type ATH0 and then Return, in the terminal screen, to hang up the phone. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 18:32:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:32:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:32:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripted Telnet wanted Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:32:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361rc6$5u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep20.182343.21582@netra.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sun.apps:9932 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:147 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep20.182343.21582@netra.com> pnewman@netra.com (Paul Newman) writes: > Hi, I'm looking for a program that let's me do some programmatic telnet. > That is, I'm looking for something like CrossTalk or Procomm (on PCs) > except that I want it to use telnet for transport. I want to send a > command and look at the response programmatically, maybe with a shell > like language, and then send another command based on the response. > C-Kermit 5A. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. The current version is 5A(189): kermit/bin/cku189.tar.Z Version 5A(190) is in Beta test; I'd encourage you to try it instead: kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip) It has a full-blown script programming language that does exactly what you want, and also includes control structures (IF, WHILE, etc), variables, arrays, built-in functions for string manipulation, access to all kinds of system information (hostname, date, time, etc etc), and so on. Since C-Kermit works not only on TCP/IP TELNET connections, but also serial connections and (in certain implementations) also X.25, DECnet, NETBIOS, and other types of connections, you have a single communication software package that lets you automate all of your communications tasks in a consistent way. Furthermore, the script programs you write for C-Kermit on SunOS are portable to any other UNIX variety as well as to all the other operating systems where C-Kermit runs: VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, etc etc. Furthermore, C-Kermit's script programming language is highly (though not totally) compatible with MS-DOS Kermit's language, and so the same script programs are also portable to DOS and Windows and to the many and varied networking methods supported by MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit's script programming language is fully documented in Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". MS-DOS Kermit's script programming language is fully documented in Chapter 14 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 12:55:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:08:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!news.cuny.edu!wilhc From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what is UART overrun Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 16:55:58 EDT Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 2 Message-Id: <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm at home. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 23:52:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:06:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jjr From: jjr@mipl-gw.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 24 Sep 1994 23:52:27 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona, Dept. of ECE Lines: 12 Message-Id: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: mipl-gw.ece.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why not always do "set file type binary"? Is there any reason to use text mode? Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. (I have the same question regarding ftp.) Why is there a text mode at all? -- Jeff Rodriguez Electrical & Computer Engineering rodriguez@ece.arizona.edu The University of Arizona Tel: (602) 621-8732 or 8963 Tucson, AZ 85721 FAX: (602) 621-8076 From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 12:38:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 21:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 21:13:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what is UART overrun Message-Id: <1994Sep24.183834.27767@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 94 18:38:34 MDT References: <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, writes: > Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm > at home. --------- What program is showing you that message? MS-DOS Kermit does not display it. It means a second byte arrived at the serial port from the outside before the first byte could be read from the hardware. Flow control is the solution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 14:50:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 23:22:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 23:22:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: <1994Sep24.205043.27777@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 94 20:50:42 MDT References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU>, jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? > > -- > Jeff Rodriguez > > Electrical & Computer Engineering rodriguez@ece.arizona.edu > The University of Arizona Tel: (602) 621-8732 or 8963 > Tucson, AZ 85721 FAX: (602) 621-8076 ----------- Simple example: DOS ends lines in CR/LF, Unix ends text lines in LF, Macs end lines in CR, and so on. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 04:24:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 00:23:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 00:23:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sisters.cs.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 24 Sep 1994 21:24:52 -0700 Lines: 47 Distribution: World Message-Id: <362u2k$70d@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon >Forrest) writes: >> There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup >> recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead >> >Thank you, Jon. We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries >about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but >yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to >purchase the documentation because: (deleted a number of good reasons) I like to attest to the validity of this point. While I like free software partly because the price is right, I often feel a strong urge to buy the accompanying books. In fact, I don't think those books are that cheap, but spending, say, 70 dollars on the two main Kermit books is still very cheap compared to paying for a single user license of any other major software package. Look what you get if you buy two Kermit books: Two nicely bound manuals that are very readable. They not only describe the program, but also contain elaborate introductions to telecommunications and data transmission, as well as to the inner workings of the software. This is typical for free software. Look at the books describing the free TeX text formatter program. They even contain jokes, poems etc. The books accompanying the free OS and programming language Oberon are also much more readable than those of, say, Borland or Symantec (no experience with Microsoft compilers). There is probably no editor with a more rigorous manual than emacs. Compare this with what you get for a couple hundred dollars spent at such companies as Microsoft: totally boring manuals that often fail to solve the actual problems that someone might have using the programs. Plus diskettes with the software that you are not allowed to copy at will. My motto: use free software unless you are sure the more expensive one is better, and spend a small part of the money thus saved on those fine books. Then, give away copies of the free software to whoever wants it, and show those books so that they know they exist. That's enough advertising for now, I guess. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 12:49:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:01:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:01:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (tom mayo) Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Message-Id: <35uirt$gsb@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 43 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems References: <1994Sep22.211430.27654@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:49:01 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep22.211430.27654@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: >> I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol >> as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system >> using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it >> does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. >> I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 >> Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out >> without transfering anything. >> All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit >> is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. >> >> Many Thanks >> Andrew >------------ > Have to guess again. Here goes... > Might you have set Even parity just in the modem without telling >Telix Kermit about it? If so there is a good chance that Telix and the >remote Kermit negotiate an 8-bit connection and of course your modem chops >the high bit without informing anyone. If this were true then it would be >a classical case of "hidden comms boxes" nibbling at the data. > MS-DOS Kermit and C Kermit both try to unravel these cases as much >as possible and may switch to using Even parity during the first packet >exchange. It's clever. MSK expects the modem to stay out of the useless >parity game and let Kermit do parity work in software (where there is >full control and most importantly full knowledge to negotiate the proper >bit-width during file transfers). > My suggestions are to look into these details, tell Telix about >Even parity, and if things still don't work then also try MS-DOS Kermit >(it's faster and ...). > Joe D. I have had similar trouble. I am not fully satisfied that I explored all avenues, but I did call the Telix support number and from what I remember, they said that Telix does not support Kermit transfers over 7-bit connections. I have since switched to MS-DOS Kermit, and have been VERY happy with it. It is somewhat of a pain to get running at first, but it is at least flexible and well-documented. -Tom From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 06:33:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:34:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:34:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 25 Sep 1994 06:33:57 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: m4-167-7.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu's message of 24 Sep 1994 23:52:27 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: Why not always do "set file type binary"? Is there any reason to use text mode? Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. (I have the same question regarding ftp.) Why is there a text mode at all? That is an *excellent* question. The answer, for UNIX sys-admins like me, is that when downloading lengthy text bug-patches and specifically in downloading .bin files from certain Mac sites, they get corrupted when downloaded in binary mode where they come over file where they are fine in test mode. This is the voice of embarassed experience. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 05:55:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 06:40:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 06:40:47 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!raven.alaska.edu!orion.alaska.edu!fsbem From: fsbem@orion.alaska.edu Subject: Wtd: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" Message-Id: <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> Lines: 7 Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 05:55:35 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line, Thanks blake From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 16:21:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 13:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 13:57:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!EU.net!uunet!gwu.edu!not-for-mail From: pww@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Philip Wirtz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit via tn3270 Date: 25 Sep 1994 12:21:02 -0400 Organization: The George Washington University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.164.127.252 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to pass subsequent characters through to the printer. Does anyone have a suggestion about how I can remediate this problem (...or, if this is the incorrect forum for such a question, where it might be properly raised...)? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 18:01:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:01:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:01:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:01:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <364du5$a3r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit, telnet, download, retransmissions Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>, Karl Gaissmaier wrote: >-- > >Hello kermit wizards, > >kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: > >(kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) > >if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with >to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or >DOWNLOADING binary files. > >Any hints? Try using small packets and no sliding windows. If that works, then it is a flow control problem somewhere between host1 and host3. If it doesn't work, see where you are after the timeout errors. Are you still logged into host3, or are you on host2? Make sure that all control characters with special meanings are prefixed. What version of Kermit are you using on the PC? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 18:15:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:15:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:15:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit hangs on newer machines - what is loaded high? Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:15:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <364enp$apu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For those of you who have benn reporting problems with MS-DOS Kermit on newer machines, I have one important question: What software do you have loaded high and what version of DOS are you using? I have noticed significant problems with MS-DOS and IBM PC-DOS versions 6.x which loading EMM386.EXE. And then loading programs which affect timers into high memory. Example programs include MOUSE.COM and SMARTDRV.EXE. The problems affect Token ring drivers, and serial devices which rely on timers and interrupt driven I/O. I believe the problems are causes by the need to switch from Real mode to protected mode in order to access the high memory safely. For a simple test, boot off of a DOS diskette without EMM386 being loaded and try out MS-DOS Kermit. And then report back the results, it would not surprise me if MS-DOS Kermit works fine under these conditions. But until we discover the cause, there is not much that Joe can do the replicate it since he doesn't have access to the necessary hardware. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 19:26:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:31:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:31:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!syko.cosmic.com!not-for-mail From: marc@debris.cosmic.com (Marc Spitzer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where to get kermit and how to useit it? Date: 25 Sep 1994 15:26:16 -0400 Organization: Cosmic Communications, Long Island, NY Lines: 9 Message-Id: <364iso$gdl@debris.cosmic.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: debris.cosmic.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Where is kermit and how do you use it? Pointers to ascii docs that i can ftp are what i would realy like. System 286 with 640 k herc moniter and st225 hd. Thanks marc From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 21:28:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: a nice kermit icon? Date: 25 Sep 1994 16:28:29 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 13 Message-Id: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Summary: where can I find one? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? Doug -- doug@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 23:06:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:52:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 25 Sep 1994 23:06:05 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 45 Message-Id: <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <1994Sep23.104605.27691@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. >> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand >> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? >> Richard. >--------- > Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since >the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, >and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. > Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before >using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many >comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something >being peculiar in your machine. Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless with real 16550A's. Other postings have proved otherwise, however. > I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR >and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks >they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports, >mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware >as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't >diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern. Sure, but the same (SAME as in equal) setup is OK with Terminate and Linux. I don't need a crystal ball to tell me that apparently Kermit has a tinsy little problem and not those other programs. I have removed all TSR's and such, thank you, I am not a complete newbee. > As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify >and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows). >Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those >sacrifical chickens. I have found the problem a while ago: MS-Kermit. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. Richard. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 00:50:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:51:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:51:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit and Windows for Workgroups Date: 26 Sep 1994 00:50:01 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit with windows for workgroups. I seem to get alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows, but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any. I prefer to work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent. Any help as always is greatly appreciated! email please! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 12:59:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:13:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:13:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep25.185940.27798@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 18:59:40 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. >>> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand >>> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? >>> Richard. >>--------- >> Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since >>the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, >>and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. >> Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before >>using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many >>comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something >>being peculiar in your machine. > > Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate > have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit > does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should > have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless > with real 16550A's. > Other postings have proved otherwise, however. Not to argue about it but they haven't shown that. May I refresh the minds of the readership on the "emulated 16550A" chip problem: it is a chip problem and the cure seems to be to hit the chip with a 2x4. Some software may think that's a good thing to do and fooey on the rest of the world; Kermit does not. In any case, as I said previously, MSK 3.14 has code to workaround this chip problem. The release MSKs for many years have worked perfectly with real 16550As, at my place and from no reports of troubles with the real chips. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 13:58:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit and Windows for Workgroups Message-Id: <1994Sep25.195828.27801@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 19:58:28 MDT References: <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > I am using kermit with windows for workgroups. I seem to get > alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows, > but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any. I prefer to > work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is > there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for > windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with > windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem > serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent. > Any help as always is greatly appreciated! > email please! ------------ A very common complaint with all serial port comms programs under Windows; you have company. It's Windows. If you scan the PC News groups notice how many msgs there are on this topic. The cures fall into two main categories: if you continue to run at 19,200 or higher then by all means acquire a buffered UART (the 16550A flavor), and look for a better Windows serial port driver than that shipped with Windows. Of course slowing down is also a solution. Windows grabs the real serial port and simulates it to DOS box programs, so the fault is between Windows and its hardware. You can try to give the DOS box greater cpu resources by fiddling with the program parameters in Windows but much of this has to be done locally to match the particular setup on the machine. Two replacment items I have come across are the Delrina Windows Fax com item, wfxcom.zip (copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd apps), and a decent buffered UART serial board. I'm using a Hayes ESP board this week which looks like a 16550A to programs and which has its own Windows driver. There are many other drivers and boards available so you may wish to ask around in the Windows News groups for shared experiences. Try to use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your cable has enough wires. It's faster acting than XON/XOFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 14:05:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP Message-Id: <1994Sep25.200533.27802@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 20:05:33 MDT References: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com>, doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) writes: > I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked > around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that > the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? > > This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? ------------ I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my attempt, and please don't snicker to my face... Joe D. ------------- section 1 of uuencode 4.13 of file KERMIT.ICO by R.E.M. begin 644 KERMIT.ICO M```!``$`("`0``````#H`@``%@```"@````@````0`````$`!```````@`(`. M``````````````````````````````"```"`````@(``@````(``@`"`@```6 M@("``,#`P````/\``/\```#__P#_````_P#_`/__``#___\`____________@ M____________________________________________________________$ M______________F9F9F9F9_____________Y\/#P\/"0```````/____^0\/9 M#P\/G_______`/____GP\/#P\)________`/___YF9F9F9F?________#___Z M___Y_Y__________\`____^9F9F9F?_______P#____Y______^?______`/W M____^?______G_____\`______GW=W=W_Y______#______Y______^?____L M``#_____^?=W=W?_G____P``______G______Y____S,S,_____Y]W=W=_^?W M__S,XN[LS___^?______G__,[B(N[LS___^9F9F9F?_\SN(B(N[NS/______G M____S.[B(B+N[NS/_________\[NXB(B[N[NSP________S.[NXB+N[N[L_PQ M_______\[N[N+NXN[N[L_P\`_____.[NXB+B[N[N[/_P#P____SN[B(B(N[N; M[NS__P_P\`__SNXB(B+N[N[/_____P#P_\SN(B(B+N[LS______P_P_\XB(B] M(N[N[/_________P_,XB(B(N[,S__________P_\[N[N[LS____________P` M_\S,S,S/__\`````````````````````````````````````````````````U M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` !````` `` end sum -r/size 57357/1106 section (from "begin" to "end") sum -r/size 40329/766 entire input file From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 02:52:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:58:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:58:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!RINGLAND From: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:52:34 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, IRQ 4). I use other windows communications programs without problem, except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want to run Kermit. I *think* I've tried just about everything. The modem is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I said, works fine in DOS. Help! Thanks! (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13) From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 06:43:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:43:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1994 02:43:43 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 35 Message-Id: <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with non-erasable characters. I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220 does not handle these properly. Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences? If not, are there any plans to add this support in the future? From the DEC VT220 pocket reference guide: Select Char Attributes (DECSCA): Applies to subsequent characters CSI Ps " q where Ps is 0: All attributes off (does not apply to Graphic Rendition) 1: designate chars as "not erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED 2: designate chars as "erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED Selective Erase in Line (DECSEL): CSI ? Ps K where Ps is null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL 0: Same as null 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the line Selective Erase in Display (DECSED): CSI ? Ps J where Ps is null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS 0: same as null 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:00:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:00:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:00:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366gl1$90i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with > non-erasable characters. I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220 > does not handle these properly. > Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences? > Support for "protected fields" has been added to version 3.14, which will be announced for testing shortly. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:04:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:04:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:04:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wtd: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:04:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366gsq$99q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> fsbem@orion.alaska.edu writes: > Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" > If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line, > It's still in print, believe it or not. Although the types of computers it talks about have mostly faded into history (DEC-20s, etc), the specification of the Kermit protocol is still the definitive one. If you can't find it at your local computer bookstore, you can call +1 212 854-3703 or +1 800 366-2665 to order it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:28:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:28:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:28:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:28:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366ia4$aui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? > Three reasons: (1) Record format: As most people know, different file systems represent lines of plain text in different ways: . A stream of characters terminated by CRLF (e.g. DOS) . A stream of characters terminated by LF (e.g. UNIX) . A stream of characters terminated by CR (e.g. Mac or OS-9) . A LF followed by a stream of charcters followed by CR (VMS) . A count word followed by a stream of characters (mainframes) . A fixed-length field with trailing blanks or NULs (mainframes) . etc etc etc If you transfer a text file from one type of system to another, the presumption is that you want it to be in useful format when it arrives. For example, if you transferred a Macintosh text file to, say, a UNIX or VMS system without conversion, you would probably wind up with all the lines overstriking each other. If you transferred C program source from DOS to UNIX in binary mode, you couldn't compile it. If you transferred UNIX text to DOS in binary mode, it would print in "stairstep" fashion. And so on. (2) File Format. Different file systems have different ways of representing the end of a file: . An exact byte count (e.g. UNIX) . An approximately byte count (e.g. Prime) . A block count . A record count . An internal in-band marker, like Ctrl-Z . etc etc When you transfer text files in binary mode, and the end of file is not represented in an exact fashion, you are likely to get junk at the end of the transferred file. (3) Character set. I realize Americans could not care less about this issue, but there are places in the world where people speak other languages than English, in which accented and/or non-Roman letters or other glyphs are needed, and want to be able to use them when writing text on their computers. Unfortunately, each computer and OS is likely to use completely different encodings for the same characters. Binary-mode transfers would skip any needed conversions whereas text-mode transfers -- at least when done by Kermit -- will take care of them. Bottom line: Use text mode when transferring plain text and you want it to arrive on the destination system in useful format. Use binary mode when you don't want any conversions to be done. You can also use binary mode when transferring text between two computers that have the same kind of file system -- record format, file format, and character set. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 12:56:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:29:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:29:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP Date: 26 Sep 1994 12:56:30 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 48 Message-Id: <366gdu$nst@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep25.200533.27802@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: % In article <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com>, doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) writes: % > I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked % > around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that % > the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? % > % > This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? % ------------ % I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have % a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my % attempt, and please don't snicker to my face... % Joe D. % ------------- Designing icons is clearly an art :-). Here's the one we use here. Feel free to snicker or to use it. Leila -- table !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ begin 644 kermit.ico M ! $ (" 0 #H @ %@ "@ @ 0 $ ! @ ( z M " " @( @ ( @ " @ y M@(" ,# P /\ /\ #__P#_ _P#_ /__ #___\ ____/______Px M,S,S,S,S,___________\#,S,S,S,S/___/_____]5 S,S,S,S,S________w M]5 #,S,S,S,S,_____55554P,S,S,S,S,S/__S9:JJJJH#,S,S,S,S,S__55v M6J.JJJ S,S,S,S,S,_\%JJJJJJJ@ S,S,S,S,S-0"JJJJJJJJ@,S,S,S,S,Su MX JJJJJJJJJJ#N[N[N[N[NX*JJJJJJJJJ@#N[N[N[N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJH t M#N[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJ "@ [NX*JJJJJJJJH JJ *H [N"JJJJJJJH "Js MJJJJJJH.[@JJJJJJJJ"JJJJJJJJJ#NX*JJJJJJ *JJJJJJJJH [NX*JJJJJ@r MJJJJJJJJJJ#N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJH.[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJJJH #N[NX JJq MH "JJJJJJJJ@#N[N[NX H _P JJJJJJH.[N[N[NX*#___\ JJJJH [N[N[Np M[NX __ \*JJH [N[N[N[N[NX/\ /"J .[N[N[N[N[N#_ \ \/#N[No M[N[N[N[N#___#N#P#P[N[N[N[N[N[@#_\ [@#_ .[N[N[N[N[N[N [N[@ n M[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[Nm M[N[N[N[N[NX l M k M j ! i h end -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 01:47:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: <1994Sep26.074746.27819@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 07:47:46 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu writes: > Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help > with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on > my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows > it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer > hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which > seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, > IRQ 4). Did you tell Kermit about the port and IRQ for COM4 via the Kermit command SET COM4 port irq? The reason you have to for this port and for IRQ not 4 or 3 is there is no way to acquire that information from the hardware. Joe D. EL): > CSI ? Ps K > where Ps is > null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL > 0: Same as null > 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor > 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the line > > Selective Erase in Display (DECSED): > CSI ? Ps J > where Ps is > null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS > 0: same as null > 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor > 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen > -- --------------- As detailed in the release doc msvibm.vt which is part of the MS-DOS Kermit distribution suite, these commands are not supported in MSK up to v3.13. They are very rarely used. But version 3.14 (to come out) does implement them. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!sigurd.andersen From: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A little bit of reverse engineering. Message-Id: <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:30:14 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Message-ID: <35d69m$7fs@chopin.udel.edu> In article <35bbuh$7h4@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, wrote: : From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!cliff.stamp From: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Cliff Stamp) Date: 16 Sep 1994 17:32:24 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would like to lower it to 2. Thanks for your time. -- From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!hutsel.barry.e From: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Message-Id: <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: 3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E) Date: 17 Sep 1994 02:37:30 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Message-ID: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> I'm just new at this, but am I doing something wrong: 1. I am attempting to FTP a binary file (ie. .ZIP) 2. I set FTP to bin and get the file to my home directory 3. Then I run kermit on the remote computer and escape (alt-x) to the From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!roland.kwee From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Message-Id: <15.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Date: 17 Sep 1994 21:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: <35gh60$3r1@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> 3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E) writes: >4. Next I "set file type binary" on the local kermit >Problem: The file is useless when I get it to my local machine. It's From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!huzacec@telerama.lm.com From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dumb question... Message-Id: <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com Date: 18 Sep 1994 00:56:48 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com> Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? Thanks. Mike (please e-mail me) huzacec@telerama.lm.com otely execute commands, etc. but I am having problems getting kermit to 'pipe' results back to a local machine; ie. I want to run a command on a remote machine, and pipe its results into Kermit (in eg. a From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 00:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!xander.jansen@surfnet.nl From: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A little bit of reverse engineering. Message-Id: <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 20 Sep 94 00:41:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Message-ID: Organization: SURFnet bv Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 12:32:01 GMT On 16 Sep 1994 s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de wrote: > For a certain opac I have been give a version of kermit with "key settings", From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!mdesouza From: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:41:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: mdesouza@wam.umd.edu (MDESOUZA) Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:26:12 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hello All, I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!j..wakeley.purple From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Message-ID: <1994Sep18.184813.25965@iglou.com> Organization: The Internet Gateway of Louisville, KY Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 18:48:13 GMT Cliff Stamp (cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) wrote: : Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number : of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would : like to lower it to 2. I don't think kermit has any default redial. It does have a timeout until connect. You're probably using kermit running with a script which has a loop in From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!harry.h.conover From: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:03:06 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Message-ID: <35i2ta$qgp@sundog.tiac.net> I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!j..wakeley.purple From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Message-ID: <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> Organization: The Internet Gateway of Louisville, KY Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 19:00:19 GMT MDESOUZA (mdesouza@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : Hello All, : I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. : home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better. they have : a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!steven.patrick.iltis From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:51:08 GMT Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas Message-ID: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with Kermit. If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a 14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!keith.petersen From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Lines: 120 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Message-ID: <9409182132.AA12045@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:32:25 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic >re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of >batch file transfers, etc. > >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... > >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS >version available? The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs and information files - from SimTel. NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII Directory SimTel/msdos/kermit/ Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ddntac.hlp A 4112 890813 Setting TAC parameters for Kermit easyk110.zip B 53931 890316 Kermit made easy. EasyKermit V1.10 ep437.zip B 11529 900125 PC Code-Page-437-to-Epson char set translation epson.zip B 7646 900125 Epson printer driver for EGA graphics screens ker_scp3.zip B 19526 881114 Useful Kermit (v2.29 or above) script files msicyr.zip B 5079 910521 Kermit term init: send/rec Cyrillic characters msiem2.ini A 4202 890731 Kermit script maps PC keyboard for GNU Emacs msiibm.zip B 29843 890120 Kermit 2.32/A Script, tutorial, init files msivt3.zip B 5354 910521 MS-Kermit DEC keybd setups for IBM-compatibles msivt321.zip B 5688 910705 MS-Kermit keybd setup for DEC VT200-300 series msk-rcv.bas A 6495 910320 Easy bootstrap: Rcve-only Kermit pgm in BASIC msker313.zip B 336282 931004 MS-Kermit v3.13 comm pgm for IBM-compatibles mskerdoc.zip B 144524 890630 Kermit 2.32/A User's guide and other files mskr-em2.zip B 30433 910320 MS-Kermit v3.1 term emulation & graphics info msr313.ann A 18246 930719 Official announcement of MS-Kermit vers. 3.13 msr31321.pch A 4218 940604 Patch file for MS-Kermit v3.13 (patches 1-21) msulk2.zip B 11684 910521 Driver allows use of DEC LK250 kbd w/MS-Kermit msvgen.zip B 60556 930719 MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Generic MS-DOS msvhp1.zip B 45098 890130 Kermit 2.32/A Hewlett Packard specific msvrb1.zip B 48899 890130 Kermit 2.32/A Rainbow specific msvv90.zip B 67364 930719 MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Victor 9000 msvz10.zip B 69272 930719 MS-Kermit 3.13 executable for Heath/Zenith 100 pcbdker.zip B 5218 890311 Collection of MS-Kermit scripts pcprint.c A 5190 890504 Print Unix host text files on PC (req. Kermit) pcprint.nr A 2994 890504 Unix man page for PCPRINT.C scanch41.zip B 14157 900106 Keyboard scan code check/display for MS-Kermit tskerm25.zip B 46838 940214 Keypads, bats, & logging scripts for MS-Kermit xsend051.zip B 11210 910320 Makes Kermit script files to send entire disk yogiutil.zip B 27954 910324 Chg blue color to underscore w/MS-Kermit v3.0x Download msker313.zip and msr31321.pch. That's all you need to get started. For security reasons SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm), is located on a host that is not accessible by anonymous ftp users, however its files are available by anonymous ftp in directory /SimTel/msdos from the primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117) located in Rochester, Michigan, and from the secondary mirror sites: St. Louis, MO: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) /systems/ibmpc/msdos Corvallis, OR: archive.orst.edu (128.193.2.13) /pub/mirrors/simtel/msdos Australia: archie.au (139.130.4.6) /micros/pc/oak England: src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.2.10) /pub/packages/simtel Finland: ftp.funet.fi (128.214.248.6) /pub/msdos/SimTel France: ftp.ibp.fr (132.227.60.2) /pub/pc/SimTel/msdos Germany: ftp.uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) /SimTel/msdos Hong Kong: ftp.cs.cuhk.hk (137.189.4.57) /pub/simtel/msdos Israel: ftp.technion.ac.il (132.68.1.10) /pub/unsupported/dos/simtel Poland: ftp.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.1.8) /pub/mirror/msdos Sweden: ftp.sunet.se (130.238.127.3) /pub/pc/mirror/SimTel/msdos Switzerland: ftp.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) /mirror/msdos Taiwan: NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10) /PC/simtel Thailand: ftp.nectec.or.th (192.150.251.33) /pub/mirrors/SimTel/msdos SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers or through the BITNET/EARN file servers. For details see file /SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf. Gopher users can access the collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu. World Wide Web (WWW) and Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu. CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc., 5850 Dixie Highway Clarkston, MI 48346, U.S.A., telephone (800) 536-3373 or (810) 623-6700, or FAX (810) 623-1469. A WWW Forms Interface for ordering CD-ROMs - http://www.coast.net/SimTel/ - is also available. This two CD-ROM set includes the entire collection, which is not true of CD-ROMs offered by some other vendors. For information send e-mail to cdrom@Mail.Coast.NET. To order send e-mail to order@Mail.Coast.NET. Quarterly update subscriptions are available. Dealer inquiries are welcome. Purchases of this CD-ROM set from Coast to Coast will provide direct support to SimTel. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!erik.hatcher From: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for DOS questions Message-Id: <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Message-ID: Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:52:01 GMT I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for DOS and have been unsuccessful. In Cruz's book he has a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes on the DOS version. My questions are... Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic blocks? And where can that be obtained? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 10:05:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!benjamin.ketcham From: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: auto redial script Message-Id: <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 10:05:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: bketcham@u.washington.edu (Benjamin Ketcham) Date: 18 Sep 1994 23:03:00 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <35igv4$rf6@news.u.washington.edu> Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit. Here is a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc). I present it not so much as the perfect way to do it, but rather as *a* way. I'd like to hear comments/criticisms on how this could be done better or more robustly. Problems I'm aware of: --Only works with modems that return "BUSY" when the line is busy. I've used some that don't. --Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13'). I think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't immediately find it in the kermit docs. --If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement to time out. Thus, the choice of time there is critical. Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance). Is there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable, and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness? --ben ------------- define demondial - if > \v(argc) 1 assign \%p \%1, - else ask \%p Number to dial (without atdt prefix):, - echo \13demondial: Trying number (use ^C to abort) ...\13, - while EQUAL 1 1 { - hangup, - output atdt\%p\13, - input 20 BUSY, - xif FAILURE { - echo \13demondial: Looks like line's not busy. Connecting ...\13, - connect, - stop - } - else { - echo \13demondial: Line busy. Retrying ...\13 - }, - } - From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 10:07:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!andrew.dunstan From: andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CR translation in telnet connection Message-Id: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 10:07:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: andrewd@seldon.apanix.apana.org.au (Andrew Dunstan) Date: 19 Sep 1994 00:14:20 GMT Organization: cleese.apana.org.au Public Access UNIX +61-8-3736006 Message-ID: <35il4s$4pe@cleese.apana.org.au> I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, when all I want to send is a plain CR. Is there any way to achieve this? cheers andrew From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:25:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!dwight.hugget From: dwight.hugget@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT & PCMCIA Message-Id: <30.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:25:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: dwight.hugget@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Dwight Hugget) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Message-ID: <35cn64$qp0$1@heifetz.msen.com> Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with kermit ??? If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to Qmodem using Zmodem. I was informed the problem >lyes in SZ and systems are trying to deal with it. But I was suggested >trying to upload into UNIX main base and then ftr the files to armstrong. > > Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it.... Have you tried rz -a to tell the Zmodem receive program that the file you are about to send is text? Zmodem defaults to binary mode. Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:26:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!bill.chinn From: bill.chinn@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Bill Chinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <31.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:26:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: bill.chinn@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Bill Chinn) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Medicus Clinical Data Systems, Alameda, CA Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT Hello, I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to Windows/NT? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jianqing.hu From: jianqing.hu@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jianqing Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <32.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jianqing.hu@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jianqing Hu) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.141901.3102@iitmax.iit.edu> Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:19:01 GMT In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Message-ID: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > >Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > >Thanks. >Mike > >(please e-mail me) >huzacec@telerama.lm.com Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!john.d.cederman From: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading Text files Message-Id: <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Message-ID: Organization: UB Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 14:39:41 GMT Hello, I am using Qmodem with Zmodem protocol. I have been able to download From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!keith.petersen From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <35.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:30:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Message-ID: <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:50 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect > (At least on our unix box) This should fix the problem: set blo 3 which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:31:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!binh.anson From: binh.anson@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <36.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:31:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: binh.anson@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Binh Anson) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT Message-ID: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> G'day, I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:33:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jeffrey.altman From: jeffrey.altman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <38.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:33:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jeffrey.altman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeffrey Altman) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <35k052$3gr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com>, Bill Chinn wrote: >Hello, > >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? alpha.16) to the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the seconds are different? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:33:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!paul.hounsell From: paul.hounsell@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Message-Id: <40.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:33:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: paul.hounsell@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Paul Hounsell) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> Organization: Joensuu University Language Center Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT Hello developers I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would li I would li From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!kerry.schwab From: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab) Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Message-ID: <35im7q$ank@nyx.cs.du.edu> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command. Suppose you were trying to recieve a file, you'd do "sz ", enter the kermit escape char, then type "REDIRECT rz". Though it does seem almost seem like kermit treason ;) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!ramin.farzaneh From: ramin.farzaneh@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Request: Download Speed Message-Id: <43.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:43:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: ramin.farzaneh@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Ramin Farzaneh) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT Organization: Cornell University Message-ID: <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps s survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!doug.fraser From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Date: 19 Sep 1994 18:54:38 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Message-ID: <35l4re$17b@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> In article <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, MDESOUZA wrote: >Hello All, > I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. >At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:45:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jerry.alexandratos From: jerry.alexandratos@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Message-Id: <45.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:45:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jerry.alexandratos@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jerry Alexandratos) Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: darkstar@strauss.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:21:54 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Message-ID: <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> In article <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu>, Sigurd Andersen wrote: :In article <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so :: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application? ... :: From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:48:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!todd.spindler From: todd.spindler@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Todd Spindler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <47.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:48:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: todd.spindler@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Todd Spindler) Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:49:18 -0400 Organization: U of Miami/RSMAS Message-ID: <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> Reply-To: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found files to armstrong. Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it.... (cederman) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:06:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!roland.kwee From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 21:06:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? > with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 00:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!john.jamulla From: john.jamulla@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John Jamulla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Message-Id: <49.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 00:30:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.jamulla@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John Jamulla) Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Message-ID: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Reply-To: jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and looking at the link without dropping the phone line Please reply to below address. Thanks in advance, John J. _________________________________________________________________________ jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1 Ford - Car Product Development Bldg3 2nd Floor #2638 (313) 337-9951 CAD/CAM, Dearborn, MI 48121 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 08:21:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!steven.patrick.iltis From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 08:21:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) Date: 20 Sep 1994 00:09:51 GMT Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas Message-ID: <35l98f$emq@larry.rice.edu> Thanks to the many solutions posted here and e-mailed to me. I've got to try them out now! -- Steve Iltis Computer Science Teacher Westbury H.S., Houston iltis@tenet.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 08:22:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!doug.fraser From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 08:22:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Message-ID: <35l5ha$2dk@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > >If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest >transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 20:35:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!earl.h..kinmonth From: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS/V Message-Id: <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 20:35:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Message-ID: <35m06i$9ch@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei Telecom. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 19:05:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:33:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:33:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 26 Sep 1994 19:05:27 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 26 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful info on control character prefixing. I have one question. The document is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved in the communications path. In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem to matter. The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly prefix or unprefix 255. So, the questions are: 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads successfully. 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. P.S. To Joe D. I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous. In my opinion you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:43:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:43:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for DOS questions Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:43:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367bp4$bpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) writes: > I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for > DOS and have been unsuccessful. In Cruz's book he has > a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit > and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes > on the DOS version. > Au contraire - DOS Kermit does have "dynamic block sizes", a.k.a. rubber packets. This is in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version). The idea is: if the line quality deteriorates and packet errors (corruption or timeouts) occur, the file sender automatically reduces the packet size. As (when, if) the line quality improves again, the packet length is gradually increased back to its negotiated maximum size. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:45:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:45:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, > when all I want to send is a plain CR. > The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET NVT specification (RFC854). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:50:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:50:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:50:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:50:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) writes: > The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the > latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs > and information files - from SimTel. > SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers > or through the BITNET/EARN file servers. For details see file > /SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf. Gopher users can access the > collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu. World Wide Web (WWW) and > Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to > access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu. > Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might (or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. > CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are > available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc... > Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs. Once again, it creates two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed, and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:54:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:54:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SOUTH AFRICA Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Distribution: World Message-Id: <367cdd$cis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear readers... Some site in South Africa (proxima.alt.za?) is reposting all of the messages that were already posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, and truncating most of them in the bargain, and rewriting the address of the posters. Very confusing and annoying. Dear news person at proxima.alt.za -- please make it stop. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:06:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:06:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:06:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 26 Sep 1994 21:06:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367d3p$ddh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? > Both C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit will prefix 255 automatically when you have made the connection with a SET PORT TCP (MS-DOS Kermit) or TELNET (or, equivalently, SET NETWORK TCP/IP, SET HOST ...) command, i.e. when they know for sure it's a TELNET connection. Otherwise they don't, in which case you might have to tell them to do it. > 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test > file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as > suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads > successfully. > It depends on the direction in which the data is going and on the terminal server. Some of them are oversensitive. If a literal 255 comes in on the serial end, it should be treated as data, but cases have been reported where it is not. More to the point, the Kermit program on the receiving end of the TELNET connection has NO WAY of knowing this, and so when it is sending files, it will cheerfully let you unprefix 255 -- don't do it! > 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? > I Am a Command? No, not really. It's "Interpret As Command". On a TELNET connection, IAC (= 255) is a kind of in-band escape character, changing the protocol from data mode to command mode. To send an IAC as a literal data character, one must send two of them. See RFC854. > I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. > Better safe than sorry. It's only one character out of 256. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:14:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto redial script Date: 26 Sep 1994 21:14:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367dk4$e2f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) writes: > Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit. Here is > a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc). > We recommend you not alter your .kermrc (CKERMIT.INI), but rather, add your customizations, overrides, and redefinitions to your own personal customization file, .mykermrc (CKERMOD.INI). Ditto for MS-DOS Kermit: make alterations to MSCUSTOM.INI, not MSKERMIT.INI. > --Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13'). I > think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't > immediately find it in the kermit docs. > I've never heard of a modem that did not use ASCII for its command language. However, some modems might be set to use line terminators other than carriage return (by changing S3). Unfortunately, there is no way a program can find this out, except perhaps by sending ATS3? followed by every conceivable character. > --If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement > to time out. Thus, the choice of time there is critical. > Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before > a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance). Is > there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable, > and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness? > Yes - Read the ckcker.bwr file about this; there are some paragraphs on this subject in the script programming section. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:24:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:32:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Subject: cmsg cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:24:57 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 19:24:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:33:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:33:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!RINGLAND From: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:24:54 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help >with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on >my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows >it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer >hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which >seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, >IRQ 4). I use other windows communications programs without problem, >except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and >the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want >to run Kermit. I *think* I've tried just about everything. The modem >is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings >right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I >said, works fine in DOS. Help! > >Thanks! (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13) As followup to my own post, I thought it might be worth telling that the problem turned out to be "blank" com ports, which I had thought I had to reserve for plugs attached to an I/O card, and whose interrupts were being used by a sound card, etc. Someone was kind enough to notify my by e-mail that Windows requires all ports to be filled in sequence. This knowledge saved me potential hours of frustration, and I haven't seen it documented anywhere. So everything works fine now that I've rearranged things to give the modem "priority", as it were, moving it to Com2 and changing the other interrupts around. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:35:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:35:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: beads@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Beads) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: beads@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Beads) Subject: cmsg cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:25:18 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:37:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Subject: cmsg cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:25:37 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 09:54:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:32:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:32:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Boo-boos from aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Message-Id: <1994Sep26.155457.27892@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 15:54:56 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My News reader, and probably yours too, has just been inundated with a large flux of files from a site in South Africa. They appear to be old messages repackaged with new headers and not always the entire body. I'm sure it is a broken mail distribution system down there, and this kind of thing happens a lot. So rather than adding to the list traffic with grumbles, please let Columbia notify the postmaster of the site, and the rest of us will quietly skip down to the new and interesting files. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:10:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:56:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:56:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Subject: cmsg cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:10:58 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:11:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:58:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Subject: cmsg cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:11:22 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:11:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Subject: cmsg cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:11:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:12:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:04:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:04:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. 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Wakeley Purple) Subject: cmsg cancel <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:12:19 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:13:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:12:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:12:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Subject: cmsg cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:13:01 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:13:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); 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Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:14:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:14:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: alastair.mckinstry@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Alastair Mckinstry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: alastair.mckinstry@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Alastair Mckinstry) Subject: cmsg cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:13:53 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Subject: cmsg cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:13 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Subject: cmsg cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:34 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:18:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:18:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Subject: cmsg cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:55 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:16:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:22:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:22:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: cmsg cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:08 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:16:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:23:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:23:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Subject: cmsg cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:32 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:18:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:27:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:27:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: jeff.mcadams.(j.mca@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeff Mcadams (J Mca) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jeff.mcadams.(j.mca@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeff Mcadams (J Mca) Subject: cmsg cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:18:30 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:19:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:29:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:29:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Subject: cmsg cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:19:06 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Subject: cmsg cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:05 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: r..stewart.ellis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (R. 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Stewart Ellis) Subject: cmsg cancel <42.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:31 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <42.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Subject: cmsg cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:57 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:21:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Subject: cmsg cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:21:15 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:21:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:34:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:34:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Subject: cmsg cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:21:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:35:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:35:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lots of truncated postings appearing today Date: 26 Sep 1994 17:20:08 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 8 Message-Id: <367du8$31m@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm seeing many truncated postings, mostly old ones re-appearing. Is something wrong with who/whatever is handling posted messages? -- Sig -- sigurd@strauss.udel.edu -- Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:22:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:36:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:36:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Subject: cmsg cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:22:23 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:24:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:39:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:39:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Subject: cmsg cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:24:31 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:41:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); 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Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:48:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Subject: cmsg cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:31:12 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> @ @ _Insert Stupid Quote Here_ @ @ @ @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:31:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); 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Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Subject: cmsg cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:36:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:09:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:56:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:56:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!hsdndev!cfanews!cfa0!chandler From: chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:09:46 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: : Why not always do "set file type binary"? : Is there any reason to use text mode? : Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. : (I have the same question regarding ftp.) : Why is there a text mode at all? When you settle into one way of doing things, it is easy to forget that other ways exist. Binary file transfers may work fine for all files in one context, but the means of representing text vary widely in the computer world. The most obvious demonstration of the need for text mode is the existence of many different types of character codes, ranging from 7-bit ASCII to 7-bit ISO-646-with-nationals to 8-bit ISO-8859/x to 16-bit ISO-10646, not to mention EBCDIC. Somebody has to do the translation. -- John F. Chandler chandler@cfa.harvard.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 22:59:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:15:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:15:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 22:59:18 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 49 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:231 comp.archives.msdos.d:8806 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >> The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the >> latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs >> and information files - from SimTel. >[...] >Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on >the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is >kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have >no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might >(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. MS-Kermit, in its latest versions, has been on SimTel for many years. This is the first complaint I've seen about SimTel offering it. >> CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are >> available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc... >> >Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs. Once again, it creates >two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we >need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us >since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed, >and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual. SimTel's policy is: Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, it will not be accepted. I am not aware of any Kermit documentation which prohibits or limits CD-ROM distribution of the program. MS-Kermit has been on every SimTel CD-ROM since the first one was released several years ago. If Columbia insists on asserting this prohibition it means that MS-Kermit and its support files will have to be removed from the SimTel collection. In my opinion removing MS-Kermit would be a disservice to your user community since the SimTel collection is more widely distributed than Columbia's. It is mirrored in more than 33 countries of the world and the CD-ROMs provide a means to make it available in many other countries which have no Internet service. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:17:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:35:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:35:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!isc-newsserver!ultb!sxs1105 From: sxs1105@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.X. Srivastav ) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Sender: news@ultb.isc.rit.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:17:42 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) writes: > >In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: >> >>G'day, >> >>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found >>that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! >>I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to >>Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low. This is despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding windows, and so on. Although I have the latest official version of Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to. Although it is often pointed out that Z-modem is not very reliable, I personally have not have any major problems with it. I have used it on a variety of systems. So, now I use Kermit as my terminal emulation program, and then use Z-modem (invoked from within Kermit) to do the file transfer. Just my $.02. Sanjeev From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 11:20:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:05:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Message-Id: <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 17:20:14 MDT References: <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > > email preffered.. --------- Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending acknowledgment. That's effectively a packet of that length, but really the stream is as long as the file (since ACKs come back during sending of current material and let new packets be added to the list). Sliding windows in Kermit is the clever complicated kind, known as selective repeat, where only the bad packets need to be resent. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:40:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!swheeler From: swheeler@netcom.com (Sean Wheeler) Subject: Problems with Kermit in PCPLUS for Windows Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:40:09 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is not the procomm support area but I thought I would ask some people who have real answers before trying to go to the Datastorm folks. I am using PCPLUS for Windows ver. 2.00 (I had the same problem with 1.01) and when I try to download files from our Unix box all I get is "UART Error" messages from Procomm and no file transfer. This happens in server as well as standard send modes. When I switch to MS-Kermit 3.13 everything works just fine. BTW: I am using C-Kermit 5A (189) on our Pyramid Unix box and our dial up connections require S-7-1 comm params. How do I need to configure the Unix end to properly transfer files to the Procomm/Windows end? -- Sean D. Wheeler swheeler@netcom.com sean.wheeler@ons.octel.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 11:11:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Message-Id: <1994Sep26.171134.27898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 17:11:34 MDT References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful > info on control character prefixing. I have one question. The document > is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved > in the communications path. In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server > in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem > to matter. The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly > prefix or unprefix 255. So, the questions are: > > 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? > 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test > file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as > suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads > successfully. > 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? > > I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. > > P.S. To Joe D. I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and > the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous. In my opinion > you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood. ------------ Last first. Thanks Mike. I get pretty frazzled sometimes and it takes charge of my keyboard and fingers. IAC, 255 quoting and all that jazz. A very good question to ask. IAC is TCP/IP Telnet-speak for "Interpret As Command." Next question. Oh, back up? Ok. Telnet has Options to negotiate in-line, both ways, and the IAC (decimal 255) byte is the introducer of them, sort of like ESC in control sequences for terminals. The rules say if one wants 255 to go through as data it must be doubled. But doing that means looking at every byte when we really want to shove a big buffer at TCP to get performance. So MSK simply declines to unprefix 255 in file transfers and thus avoids the buffer scanning/restuffing problem. Also, the 7-bit version of this is 127, aka DEL, which is subject to becoming 255 with some parity. To see some Options as they happen tell MSK to SET TCP DEBUG ON. Given the interest in the Internet Infobahn I suggest folks start reading up on TCP/IP and related material, if you have a technical bent. A visit to the bookstore is recommended, and with this recommendation as defense you might be able to buy one of those nifty TCP/IP books(*) without the family complaining. (*) One such good technical intro is Comer's three volume set of "Internetworking with TCP/IP", and most people will be happy with just volume 1. Brave souls may wish to pursue the prime references: the RFCs available on the Internet from many sites (look at the dozens on Telnet). These are technical details, not how to use books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 02:49:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:32:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 27 Sep 1994 02:49:43 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 24 Message-Id: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:8808 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:236 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: :fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on :>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is :>kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have :>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might :>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to improve also the way MsKermit is distributed. For example are you aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly. Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as distributors. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 06:46:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 02:56:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 02:56:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!msdos-ann-request From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 06:46:51 GMT Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: msdos-ann-request@simtel.coast.net Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Approved: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET Lines: 34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:6834 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:237 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. SimTel's policy is: Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, it will not be accepted. Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 14:48:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:12:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can I call prtscn from a macro? Message-Id: <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 09:48:12 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros. You can redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from, say, mscustom.ini. Keystroke verbs don't seem to work in a macro: define foo \Kprtscn and neither does a key number: define foo \2329 Is there, perhaps, a way to press a or call a keystroke verb from a macro? I have Gianone's "Using MS-DOS-Kermit", 2nd ed. If I've missed something, a page reference will do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 11:10:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:25:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:25:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!trans!cowboy From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Message-Id: <1994Sep27.111008.5402@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> <35poo3$pho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:10:08 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maxwell E Evarts (evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use : >Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better : >throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. : >The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer : >performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the : >goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. : Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it : sounds like you already understand. Here's a clip from the the : MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible : solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) : This works for me, using pktmux. It is worth the try. Cowboy From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:37:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:37:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 27 Sep 1994 13:37:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET > (Keith Petersen) writes: > :fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > :>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on > :>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is > :>kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have > :>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might > :>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. > > Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing > to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to > improve also the way MsKermit is distributed. For example are you > aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution > packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly. > Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure > accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as > distributors. > Sorry, no slur intended. Listen folks, this is a sensitive topic, and I'll try to explain our position as clearly as possible. The Kermit effort continues because it is centrally coordinated. In the development and maintenance of any protocol -- Kermit, XYZmodem, TCP/IP, ISO OSI, you name it, standards must be set and to some degree enforced, and therefore there must be a centralized keeper and setter of standards. Otherwise, incompatible versions of Kermit would sprout up and they would not be able to interoperate -- similar to the situation with the many variants of Xmodem in the late 70s and early 80s. Now the Kermit file transfer protocol, no matter how well defined, would be of little use if it were not implemented in software programs. And the software programs would be of little use if they did not also offer all the other features that one expects to find in communication software: terminal emulation, script programming, etc. Who writes these programs? Who ensures that the software has implemented the Kermit protocol correctly? Who writes the documentation? Who provides technical support? Real people. And it's a lot of work. At Columbia University, we have a small staff devoted to these jobs. Who pays their salaries? Who pays for the equipment, service contracts, etc? Answer: every last penny comes from whatever income we can generate through mail-order software distribution fees and book sales, plus the occasional donation. There aren't any deep-pockets foundations paying us to write, document, and support software for you. It's not shareware with nag screens hounding you send money. It's not shrink-wrapped commercial software you have to buy in a store. We try to support ourselves in the way that is least painful for our user community. But like it or not, we do have to support ourselves. The current controversy -- and this is not the only instance of it -- is whether companies that make and sell -- or even give away -- CD-ROMs should be allowed to include Kermit software on them. Clearly there are good and bad aspects to this. On the good side, consumers get vast amounts of software dirt cheap, which, in a short-sighted way, is good for them. On the bad side, the makers of these CD-ROMs, can sell them for less than we charge for doing the same thing, e.g. sending Kermit software out on diskette, tape, or cartridge. Why? Because we not only distribute the software, we also write it, document it, and support it, day after day, year after year. When Kermit software is distributed on CD-ROMs, it takes away income from us and at the same time adds to our workload. People who receive Kermit software in this way do not also receive the appropriate manuals, and so they call us up or send email or letters asking us to explain to them how to use the software. We get hundreds of such support calls every day and an ever-increasing rate. Less money for more work. Do you see where this trend leads when left unchecked? The developers have no time to develop, the tech support people are expected to "read the manual" to users from sunup to sundown, progress grinds to a halt, and finally everybody loses their job because there is no more income and the Kermit effort dissolves. So, once again, No: you can't put Kermit software on your CD-ROMs without our written permission. Much of the software that is on these CD-ROMs is either written by students, who then go on to a real job since they have to eat, or written by grant-sponsored efforts at universities. Well, we are not sponsored, but we are in this for the long haul. We would like to keep supplying you with Kermit software in the long term, and keep it up to date with the rapidly changing requirements of new technologies. That requires full-time, responsible people. What about FTP sites? Nobody is saying you can't put Kermit software out for FTP. But -- and this applies to CD-ROMs too -- we can't police thousands of FTP sites to ensure that their Kermit software is (a) up to date, (b) complete, (c) unaltered, and (d) consistent. We spend a huge amount of time helping people whose problems are caused precisely because they retrieved Kermit software from someplace else and the files were out of date, incomplete, etc. I'm absolutely not running down Keith, Timo, nor the many others who collect software and put it on CD-ROMs (or FTP sites) as a public service. Nor even the entrepeneurs who see this as a way of making a quick buck. But think about it -- if you like this software and you want it to keep up with the times, you have to do something to help support the people who work long hard hours to bring it to you. Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution. The terms are reasonable given the world and times in which we live. There is no point cluttering up the newsgroups (again) with a longwinded and acrimonious debate on the topic. We provide you with good software, good tech support, good documentation, and most of you don't pay a penny for it. If we made more money, we'd provide even better service: faster development, more tech support people. We're doing our best to strike a reasonable balance. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:14:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:06:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:06:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:14:13 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, S.X. Srivastav (sxs1105@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote: >My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal >emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low. This is >despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding >windows, and so on. Although I have the latest official version of >Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique >versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to. That brings up a good point: The right software for each situation. If you have a mainframe or Unix shell account, chances are you have some version of C-Kermit or IBM mainframe Kermit which you can tune to your needs. I don't use BBS's very much, but the few I've dialed into have Kermit implemented as a choice in their menu system, where it's inaccessible to the user for configuration. If you're lucky, "super-Kermit" or some such will be a choice, in which case you'll get sliding windows (but still the standard packet size of 92). In that case, z-modem might be a better choice simply because of how it's set up. On the other hand, more and more BBS's are connecting up to the Internet. Many of these will accept telnet sessions, but don't have ftp. Kermit can be used to telnet to these and then transfer files through the telnet connection. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:38:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:41:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:41:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:38:59 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, YATES, JODYE (j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca) wrote: >Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is >that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns >inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even >recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I >load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so >the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit >downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? As the previous follow-ups show, there's some confusion about your question. If the 'text files from somewhere' are in WordPerfect format, use binary modes for all your file transfers. In the event that they are plain ascii (more likely), use ftp in ascii mode (default), and Kermit in text mode (also default). WordPerfect can import ascii and convert it to WP format. I, too, am not familiar with WP 6.0, but the functions you want (from WP 5.1) are text in/out, DOS text, and then you should have a choice: Preserve the carriage returns and turn them into WP hard returns, or turn the CR's into soft returns if they approach the right margin and format the text for the margins set. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 14:12:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:30:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:30:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:12:55 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: >Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? [....] >What's different about the newer >version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it. Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory). Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 15:25:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:46:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu!bpolvi From: bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:25:27 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 16 Message-Id: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate a file transfer: ?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port. Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed. The windows session must then be terminated and started again. If your certain you have a solution please post for all to read, if your uncertain please Email me, I'd welcome any ideas. Thanks inadvance! From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 14:24:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:49:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 09:24:03 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: >According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 15:45:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:50:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!news.nd.edu!purcell!yfaitaki From: yannis@columbia.edu (yannis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: winsock.dll Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:45:27 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <369emn$3gd@news.nd.edu> Reply-To: yfaitaki@purcell.helios.nd.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: purcell.helios.nd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I know this is not the best group to post this question, but you guys out there seem to know a lot about modems and protocols anyway ;-) I recently got winsock.dll from a friend and I have no idea what to do with it... any references on the subject? Thanks in advance and sorry about this "improper" posting! Yannis e-mail:yfaitaki@elgreco.helios.nd.edu --- ------------------------------------- Birth of terror death of much more I'm the slave of fear, my captor Never warnings ... Metallica - The frayed ends of sanity From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 17:35:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:35:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369l5g$jt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, > Keith Petersen wrote: > >According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > >University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on > a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > Before this new newsgroup bursts into flames, why not let the parties involved work things out amongst themselves. Develop a new file transfer program that can be distributed freely? Be my guest. If it becomes as successful as Kermit is, you will soon find yourself facing the same costs as we do and the need to either meet them or go out of "business". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 17:53:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:53:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369m7h$rt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) writes: > FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. > When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following > error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection ... > Our accumulated knowledge about Windows for Workgroups 3.11 versus MS-DOS Kermit was posted previously, and is also available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, file mskwfw.doc. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 11:55:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:20:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:20:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: World Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:55:12 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: >> In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: >> > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? >> >> Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me >> (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) >> >Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit >for DOS. Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 18:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:30:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:30:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 27 Sep 1994 18:30:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369ocf$23k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > > ... > >Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit > >for DOS. > > Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my > Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its > features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing > through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and > some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those > features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? > DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit > wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? > Well, aside from the obvious human-resource considerations we have been reading about so much today (who is going to do the work???) we are never going to be able to produce a C language version of Kermit for DOS that is better than MS-DOS Kermit and that will still fit in memory. MS-DOS Kermit is painstaking "hand crafted" to pack the most wollop into the smallest amount of memory, and also to do all sorts of things at the hardware level that simply not comfortable -- even possible -- in C. C-Kermit is designed to run on real operating systems. MS-DOS Kermit *is* an operating system. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 will have many of the missing script programming features added, in particular the \functions(). Hopefully we can get out from under the great debates of who is entitled to what long enough to let us finish getting this new release together. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 02:28:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can I call prtscn from a macro? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.082800.27946@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 08:28:00 MDT References: <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu>, wisanr@newton.hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros. You can > redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can > turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I > can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from, > say, mscustom.ini. ----------- Can't do it. The printing you are discussing is occuring only within Connect mode and the operations controlling it need to occur while that particular terminal emulation session is being executed (versus being at the Kermit prompt). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 04:36:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:31:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: <1994Sep27.103633.27960@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 10:36:33 MDT References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, > Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > >>Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >>it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >>packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > > [....] > >>What's different about the newer >>version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >>the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >>memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. > > One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your > standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it. > Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory). > Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at > ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip. --------------- I answered this previously in this list. The Crynwr v11.x SLIP8250.COM program has a mistake which eliminated a needed Packet Driver function. I told Russ Nelson about it. In the meanwhile I suggest either using another SLIP program or go back to the version 9.x material (my original rewrite of SLIP8250.COM is tucked away in directory kermit on netlab2.usu.edu). Simtel and similar popular ftp/bbs sites might have the older version, and its worth a look. MSK version 3.14 has a workaround for this problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 20:47:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:26:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:26:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.204707.889@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 20:47:07 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? Because KERMIT runs on (at least) one "non-ASCII" piece of hardware, the IBM mainframe. On that platform, KERMIT has to compensate for the multitudinous differences between EBCDIC and ASCII. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:07:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:52:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:52:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!rbrass From: rbrass@world.std.com (robert brass) Subject: set speed command Message-Id: Summary: Does set speed set the modem speed? Keywords: speed Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:07:56 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to 14400". How can I connect at 14400? Bob From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 06:50:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 12:50:04 MDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, > Keith Petersen wrote: >>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on > a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ---------- If you wanted to, but it might be a good idea to reread the Columiba copyright notice to discover what's going on. The notice says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That seems to be very reasonable to me. Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution process. Let me touch on another aspect of this situation: Compuserve. If you read the fine print then when a file is posted on CIS they very nearly own the item. Oh boy! I run an anonymous ftp server or two, and there are three kinds of files on them: Novell generated, third party submissions to the Novell forum on CIS, and other third party software. Novell's own files are offered via legal agreement with the company. It took a lot of work by people to obtain a satisfactory legal release document so the Novell forum third party material could be made available on the Internet (that's netwire\novuser). Novell did the hard work to make it happen. Other files are accepted or declined depending on whether the author has given permission for them to be redistributed; no permission == no offering from my site (as best that I can track it). If someone sends my archive a file which seems to have come from CIS but the release is not made then I decline the file. I don't get involved with money or CDROMs or making tapes for people, yet these operating rules apply. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 07:02:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.130244.27972@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 13:02:44 MDT References: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) writes: > FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. > > When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following > error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate > a file transfer: > > ?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port. > Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed. > > The windows session must then be terminated and started again. ------------- Their Windows configurations must be slightly inappropriate for any DOS program to use the serial ports. May I suggest reviewing the serial port setup in WFW. Please do watch out for FAX program also owning the port while Windows is running. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 22:22:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:22:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:22:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set speed command Date: 27 Sep 1994 22:22:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a5vp$lo7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article rbrass@world.std.com (robert brass) writes: > Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the > terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but > there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it > to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to > 14400". How can I connect at 14400? > It sets the computer's serial port speed. The modem speed can only be set by modem-specific methods. It would have helped if you had said which Kermit program you were using. Let's say it's C-Kermit. If you had read the manual, "Using C-Kermit", you would have discovered (in the section "Finer Points of Dialing" in chapter 3) that Kermit can either (a) adjust its interface speed to the CONNECT speed reported by the modem, or (b) keep its interface speed constant, i.e. ignore the modem's report. The command is SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING { ON, OFF }. By default, it tries to change to the speed reported by the modem. In your case, it seems that your version of C-Kermit (based upon information from the system header files, etc) does not support 14400 bps. But that's not the real problem -- what you really wanted to do was set your modem's interface speed to 19200 and FIX IT THERE, and then tell C-Kermit to ignore the speed in the CONNECT message. C-Kermit 5A(190) -- still in Beta due to numerous distractions -- supports (in general) a wider range of speeds, including 14400 bps on some systems. But since I don't have 450 different operating-system/version combinations directly accessible, I can't guarantee that I caught them all. For further information, see the section SERIAL COMMUNICATION SPEEDS in the ckccfg.doc file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:53:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:34:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:34:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!chyde.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:53:29 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland Lines: 15 Approved: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:6845 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:258 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 20:58:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:07:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:07:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 27 Sep 1994 20:58:52 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 24 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> References: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) >writes: >> : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. >> Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is >> unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is >> essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. >> >Matter of preference. If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a >file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right. On the other >hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the >box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket. Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and "set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the latter is the current situation. This is similar to the current situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I just want to run this thing" user. (As to the exact command to use, try for something that will be somewhat self-apparent in the online help.) --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 08:46:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:17:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:17:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: <1994Sep27.144634.27987@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 14:46:34 MDT References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >>In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: >>> In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my > Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its > features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing > through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and > some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those > features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? > DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit > wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? > > Jeff ---------- Vaguenes Jeff, so vague. MS-DOS Kermit should run just fine on your XT if it has enough memory (512KB is more than enough); floppy based is ok too if you don't mind the delays. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:35:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:24:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:24:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!news.cs.ucla.edu!bern From: bern@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Bernard Chen) Subject: initialization string Message-Id: Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: maui.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: 27 Sep 1994 21:35:03 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was using with cku189. the modem is a microcom. i keep getting an error: TIMEOUT in initializing modem. i didn't copy down the exact error message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem. this initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine with cku189. would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working? bern bern@cs.ucla.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:27:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:27:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:27:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and > "set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will > work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the > latter is the current situation. This is similar to the current > situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I > just want to run this thing" user. > Au contraire -- today's user does not want to learn any commands, and is no more likely to stumble upon this one than any other. This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of communications software. They raise the expectations of users unreasonably high. There is no way that communications software can know what is going on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. At some point, the user has to learn something, at least when things don't work. So yes, maybe you have a point. Maybe Kermit should be tuned for "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead", and then it would fail about half the time, and then the user would be forced to look stuff up in the documentation and learn about the things that every user must know in order to communicate successfully in a diverse or hostile environment. Or not. More likely they would be so angry and frustrated that they would just give up. Which is worse? I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we want them to. The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype. I think the conservative ones are still the most appropriate. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:36:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:37:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:37:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: initialization string Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:36:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36aaao$qv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article bern@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Bernard Chen) writes: > i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know > if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was > using with cku189. the modem is a microcom. i keep getting an error: > TIMEOUT in initializing modem. i didn't copy down the exact error > message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem. this > initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine > with cku189. would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working? > As you know, C-Kermit 5A(190) is in Beta test. You should send bug reports straight to me. In this case, I would have asked you to collect a debug log ("log debug", makes a big file called debug.log) and email it to me. Here's another thing you can do. First, run C-Kermit 5A(189), tell it to "set dial display on", and give a dial command. Watch what happens. Better still, record it in a typescript. Then do the same with 190. Then look at the typescript and see if you can dope out what is different. Send me the typescript by email. If I can't figure it out from the type- script, then we can go to the big debug log. Also, bear in mind that I don't have a Microcom modem, so this debugging might have to be carried out by "remote control". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 22:41:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:39:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:39:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 27 Sep 1994 22:41:57 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36a73l$dke@knot.queensu.ca> References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> <367d3p$ddh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Frank for his explanation. Last night I was doing some more testing with the same Kermit programs, the same test files, the same PC, the same telnet server, and a different Unix host. When I configured the host to unprefix 255, uploads caused retries. When I prefixed 255 the retries went away. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:04:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:43:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:43:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!mcshub!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!muss.cis.McMaster.CA!not-for-mail From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via tn3270 Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:04:14 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Lines: 30 Message-Id: <36a8de$pri@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> References: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, Philip Wirtz wrote: >I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when >connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, >download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the >Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an >alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up >through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to >upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to >the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when >using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot >upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that >escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore >to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to a 7171 looks like a local 3274 type control unit to the ibm mainframe and translate the special 3270 type control characters to the async terminal connectedt to it. tn3270 does the same thing however, the 7171 has already translated the characters. To use tn3270, you have to connect to something like a 8232 (I can't remember if this is the right number) or a BTI box. There is associated tcp software on the ibm mainframe. The 7171 does not have associated software on the mainframe as it does the necessary translation inside. Doug Fraser (use the above answer as if I hadn't worked hands on with mvs for three years) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:41:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:50:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu!jycha From: jycha@bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Jong-Yul Cha) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Initializing kermit Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:41:01 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 5 Message-Id: <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem. Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or .kermrc) to have an automated call? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:54:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:54:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:42:49 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 36 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36aalp$9pe@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If you want to make some money you can start trying to collect from these CD publishers, but if you want to keep Kermit spreading you better let people spread the programs any way they can, and *sell* the manuals. Actually I thought you did that anyway. People tend to use zmodem over Kermit because it has so many old versions out there. The latest version may outperform zmodem in some test or other, but when calling another system chances are that the speed will be poor because one end didn't set left handed sliding hexadecimal escape packets or some such. The next enhancement to Kermit better be teaching it to configure itself, because the current version has enough bells and whistles to tune to discourage the business person who just wants it to work. I get little consulting calls fairly frequently to tune complex stuff, and the only thing which brings in more calls than getting Kermit to really fly is Telebit modems. I think you should make your money from leting these people go and selling the manuals and a CD with the latest versions of every Kermit version you have. I don't speak for other UNIX users, but I certainly would buy a reasonably priced Kermit snapshot once a year. I'd probably even put a stack on the corner of my table at the next computer show if I could buy for a few bucks off in small quantity, and I bet clubs would order copies too. I respect what you are trying to do here, but I seriously believe that you don't have a clear marketing plan here. Set up an "official Kermit Answer Center" with a 950 area code and charge a small fee. You may not be as much fun as phone sex, but I bet you can make a buck at it! -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:04:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:05:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:05:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Initializing kermit Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:04:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36abv9$t18@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jycha@bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Jong-Yul Cha) writes: > I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem. > Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as > atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or > ..kermrc) to have an automated call? Thank you. > Of course. I'd recommend something like this. Create a DOS Batch file, say SLIP.BAT, that starts up Kermit for SLIP, something like: kermit -f slip.scr And then the SLIP.SCR file would contain the needed Kermit commands, which depend on your modem and so on. But, as you know, this is only the first step. Now you need to exit from Kermit, leaving the connection open, and then start your SLIP8250 or ETHERSLIP driver, and then start Kermit again to actually use the SLIP connection (or you can start any other TCP/IP application that uses SLIP). You should not start the packet driver from the Kermit prompt, because that will result in fragmented memory, and you might not be able to load other applications after that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:16:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!tem From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transmit command 7 bit only? Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:16:52 GMT Organization: HSU Library Lines: 10 Message-Id: <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Reply-To: tem@scout.humboldt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: scout.humboldt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason why this is happening. Thanks, Tom Mendenhall tem@scout.humboldt.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:42:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:42:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:42:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transmit command 7 bit only? Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:42:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36ae4v$2hb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) writes: > I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic > characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations > with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone > know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason > why this is happening. > You did not say which Kermit program you are using. Assuming it is MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit... Terminal connections -- including the TRANSMIT command, which uses the terminal connection to upload a file as if you were typing it -- are 7 bits by default. This is explained repeatedly in the documentation. The reason is that many hosts and services use parity, but the poor user doesn't know it, and if terminal connections were 8 bits by default, users would see garbage on their screens. To use 8-bit text in a terminal session, you must do two things: (1) Tell Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8, and (2) set up the appropriate character-set translations. Please read the chapter on International Character Sets in the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:33:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:33:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!moose.uvm.edu!rdangel From: rdangel@moose.uvm.edu (Robert S. Dangel) Subject: Windows Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> Originator: rdangel@moose.uvm.edu Sender: news@emba.uvm.edu Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, University of Vermont Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:14:00 GMT Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 28 04:30:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:56:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:56:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:30:29 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >The notice >says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute >the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That >seems to be very reasonable to me. > Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution >process. The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly from Columbia. The only difference from this end is that you have a choice about the CDROMs and for most people it is a cheaper alternative. Since the CDROM distributers don't attempt to restrict your access by other means or prevent futher redistribution of the contents they are clearly selling the service of distribution in the same sense that the phone companies do. If either distribution makes a profit it is only indirectly related to the content. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 05:28:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:04:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:04:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!oconnort From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 28 Sep 1994 05:28:50 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36auui$f89@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > 2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into > it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations, > tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index. ... and the hard work shows on every page. The first chapter in the MS Kermit book alone is worth the price. I get a steady parade of lost souls at my door, some of them terrified of their modems and utterly confused about how a file gets from Point A to Point B. In every case but one, I have been able to explain how things work by pulling the book off the shelf and reviewing the pictures in the first chapter. (The one exception was a lost cause!) --tim o'connor +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tim O'Connor tim.oconnor@nyu.edu NYU Academic Computing Facility Phone: (212) 998-3024 251 Mercer St., New York, NY 10012 Fax: (212) 995-4120 From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 08:31:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:37:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!hydro.com!usenet From: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Selective quoting of control chars Date: 28 Sep 1994 08:31:03 GMT Organization: Hydro Data, Norsk Hydro (Norway) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36b9k7$2vdl@vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com> Reply-To: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Nntp-Posting-Host: sk08ts.hda.hydro.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote my own Kermit implementation from scratch about 10 years ago, using just the protocol spec. A couple of years later I extended it with sliding window and large packets, whereupon I finally added the obvious extension of allowing a selective set of control chars to be unquoted. I've noticed that this capability is now included in CKermit, and I would like to make my program compatible with the standard. (I assume this is implemented as a single feature bit in the capability mask, plus a list of characters to not quote, probably in the form of a bitset.) Where can I find the current (190) protocol spec? -Terje From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 14:36:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:37:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:37:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, TCP/IP, and PPP dial-in Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:36:54 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36bv26$8qc@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My local university runs a dial-in port which accepts PPP dial-ins. I'm trying to figure out how to get my MS-Kermit 3.13 to interface with PPP. I see from the MS-Kermit book that there are a number of 'set tcp/ip' commands that can be issued. I'm also rather new at this stuff (I've only used MS-Kermit in the 'usual' asynchronous mode until now), so I'm a little unclear as to what I need to do to get my PPP dial-in package to work with Kermit TCP/IP support. Anyone out there doing this type of thing themselves? I'd ask clearer questions but as yet I don't know what I don't know. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@eecs.umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 14:38:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:38:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:38:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit? Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:38:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36bv4p$ps8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> rdangel@moose.uvm.edu (Robert S. Dangel) writes: > Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and > the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. > The only full-function version of Kermit for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit, currently version 3.13. It is a Windows-aware DOS application. Until and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS Kermit for use with Windows. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 15:20:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:51:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:51:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news1.digex.net!usenet From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newer QL-Kermit? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the Sinclair Quantum Leap computer? The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and have few of the currently supported features found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. Christopher Milton cmilton@access.digex.net BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989 Work (703) 358-5945 Arlington (VA) Central Library/Circulation/Reserves My other cumputer {is,will be} a Sinclair QL, eh. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 15:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:59:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:59:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:59:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36c3s4$2u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear friends, I suppose I knew that this newsgroup would not last more than a week before it deteriorated into a hot debate over software distribution policies. I have received numerous personal message to the effect of "you are shooting yourself in the foot", "please reconsider!", "why don't you charge for support?", "why don't you set up a 900 number?", etc etc. I don't have time to respond to each of these personally, so I trust their senders are reading this. The idea of this newsgroup is to exchange useful information about Kermit software. Rather than the developers and tech support people answering questions on a one-to-one basis (which, of course, we still do), we hoped that also answering them in a public forum would increase our productivity and yours -- allowing us to spend less time on tech support and more on development, since more people would see each question and answer, and allowing users to see answers to their questions in many cases before they even asked them. Meanwhile, we have been working hard on new releases of all the major Kermit programs, and the last thing we -- or you, dear readers -- need is to be drawn into yet another endless debate over our software distribution policies, a debate which has already run its course many times over on other newsgroups. Please pay attention to the following points: NOTHING HAS CHANGED. There is nothing new going on. Look at the copyright notice (this one is from C-Kermit): Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The C-Kermit software may not be, in whole or in part, licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, nor may it be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. This copyright notice must not be removed, altered, or obscured. What does this mean? It does NOT mean that there cannot be ftp mirror sites. There have ALWAYS been ftp mirror sites. It DOES mean that our software cannot be SOLD by anyone without our permission. This is nothing more than common sense. When the proprietor of a particular ftp site posts a public message saying "Due to Columbia's restrictive prohibitions we are removing all Kermit software from our server", think about what they are really saying: "Because Columbia University won't let us copy their copyrighted software, without their permission, onto our CDROM which we sell, we are taking it off our ftp server, which also serves as the master for our CDROM." Quite honestly, and with no intention of offending any particular, this means that they are not willing or able to set up special procedures for making CDROMs that are not wholesale copies of their ftp directories. We have not asked ANYBODY to remove Kermit software from their ftp sites. But, as I have stated repeatedly, if you get Kermit software from one of these ftp mirror sites, and you have problems with it, it is very likely going to be difficult for us to help you with your problems because we have no control over those sites and we do not know, and do not have the time to learn, which files, which versions, are there and how they might have been reorganized, renamed, or edited, and even if we discover problems with the Kermit software at these sites, we have no way to correct them, and even if we did, it would be a waste of our time. If, however, you get Kermit software from Columbia by ftp or by mail order, then we can help you because we KNOW what we have, and if there are mistakes we can correct them. Thus, we RECOMMEND that if you are ftp'ing Kermit software from somewhere, that somewhere should be kermit.columbia.edu. This is not to say that some of the ftp sites, such as Garbo and Simtel (which I have never had the time to check out personally, because I have too many other, higher-priority demands on my time), are not 100% faithful and up-to-date and perhaps even carry some added value. If you find an ftp site other than Columbia that you can trust, fine -- use it. But before you come to us for help, make sure the problems you are experiencing were not introduced at the mirror site. Now, about CDROMs... No, you can't put our software on a CDROM and sell it without our permission, period. You can't put ANYBODY'S copyrighted software on a CDROM and sell it without permission of the copyright holder. They key word here is "permission". Just ask. We'll discuss it and see how mutually beneficial terms can be arranged. And in fact that is exactly what is happening in numerous cases, including with Garbo and Simtel, and some of the Linux distributors, etc. We don't need to flood the airwaves with inflammatory postings based upon incomplete knowledge. Just remember that without an agreement that is beneficial to both the CDROM maker and Columbia, the CDROM maker gets the money and we get the extra work, AND we lose income we might otherwise have had. I appreciate the many suggestions about how we can make the money we need, but we already know our options. Please remember that Kermit software comes from a University and our "business" operates under constraints that you are not familiar with, and you don't need to be. As an end-user, you can get Kermit software, with quality control, with support, all free (unless of course you elect to purchase the documentation, which we view as a good investment -- it saves you time, gives you quick access to all the features of the software, frees up our time for more productive work, and helps pay for our continued development and support efforts). As an entrepreneur, however, if you want to make money from our work, you have to give something back, and you have to discuss this with us and reach an agreement before you can go ahead. If there are still people who believe that we should place no restrictions on the commercial redistribution of our software, just remember the story of the goose that laid the golden egg. I would like to think that there are people who would like to see the Kermit effort continue, and these people have to understand that we need to fund our work, and we want to do this in the way that is least painful and offensive to the END USER. If, however, these constant attacks on our policies continue, forces will eventually come into play that will compel us to take a more rigid stance, or shut down altogether, and everybody will lose. So please, let us run our own "business", use our software in good health, and let's put this newsgroup back as it was last week -- a forum for the exchange of useful information. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 03:33:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:01:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:01:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Sep 94 09:33:50 MDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>The notice >>says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute >>the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That >>seems to be very reasonable to me. >> Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution >>process. > > The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is > somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers > and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly > from Columbia. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com -------- The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction. That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions. BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much the same as the CDROM case, in my view. Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our product without our permission. Guess who is going to all kinds of trouble to ensure that the programs remain free? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 17:03:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:03:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:03:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newer QL-Kermit? Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:03:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36c7l6$8mi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Chris Milton writes: > Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the > Sinclair Quantum Leap computer? > The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu > use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and > have few of the currently supported features > found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. > Not to my knowledge. And knowing nothing about the QL, I'd recommend -- if it does not have a restrictive memory architecture and if it does have a C compiler -- adapting C-Kermit. If anybody is interested in pursuing this, get in touch with me and I'll help get you started. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 17:46:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:46:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:46:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Solved Kermit download problem, sort of Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:46:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 107 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36ca5k$c7j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roland Kwee writes: > ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500 > bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a > throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a > problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server, > or in the remote modem. > As you may know, Cisco terminal servers (certain models) support hardware flow control in one direction only, In any case, they must be configured to use it, and so must the attached modem. > By the way, on the cisco, I do a 'terminal download', on the remote > Sun, I don't use stty to set crtscts, and the remote Kermit (189) > says 'no modem signals available'. > Right -- it's on a pty. Since you are coming in through a terminal server, you should also tell the remote Kermit to "set flow none" since TCP/IP is handling the flow control. > Here is my question. What do you know about the packet size used by > between the modems? This may be factor both in preventing buffer overflow > at the remote cisco, and in the ultimate throughput. Using a small packet > size less than 500 bytes, but just filling a modem block might be just > very efficient. And the difference in result between my 200 and 250 byte > packet size may be caused by the modems too. > Maybe -- you have many factors in play here: two modems, the serial side of the terminal server, the configuration of the two modems, the configuration of the terminal server port, the network side of the terminal server, the telnet server on the host, the pty driver on the host, etc -- you could spend a week or two trying to pin down exactly where the bottleneck is. And then you would know about only one connection (on a given day!) out of an infinite number of possible connections. > So far, in the Kermit books, the issue of the terminal server is > mentioned in passing, and the issue of the block protocol between the > MNP5 and V42b modems not at all. > There is not much point in second-guessing the modems. A detailed study of the various MNP levels (at least ten at last count), V.42 and V.42bis, and their interaction with the various modulation techniques as implemented in a wide variety of chips from different manufacturers, as programmed and packaged by an even wider variety of manufacturers, and the specific interactions of modem A with modem B over a connection with particular characteristics (noise, etc), transmitting a particular type of data, would reveal very little that could be applied in the general case. Even to the extent that MNPx and V.y are standards, their particular implementation -- and variable parameters -- are completely unpredictable from modem to modem, and from PROM version to PROM version in the same modem make and model. Some modems even have... bugs. > Another, related issue, is that there are rumours that the modems > actually connect SYNCHRONOUSLY. They don't transmit the start and stop > bits. As a result, the theoretical 100 percent throughput of a 14.4KB > modem is not 1440 cps, but 1800 cps. Do you know anything about this? > Yes, the higher modem standards do this. But the serial interfaces, in and out, are still asynchronous, 10 bits per character. And there is some overhead to synchronous connections too, though generally far less than the 20% overhead added by start & stop bits. Plus the overhead added by the HDLC-like error-correction protocols used by V.42, etc. > Another issue that may be very important, but is not in the Kermit books, > is what I call the size of the pipeline. With a packet size of p, and > window size of w, there is a maximum of p times w bytes at any given > instant in buffers between the two kermits. I guess that if my > system administrator says that I should reduce the blocksize to 1000 > to prevent problems with the cisco, I should make p * w < 1000. > Correct. But most modern Kermit programs will take care of this themselves automatically, after the first few buffer overflows. But of course, you can get better performance if you set the optimal limit beforehand, assuming you can find out what it is, and then it doesn't change out from under you during the course of the transfer. > If the flow control is not perfect between all components between > the two kermits, those kermits maintain their own handshake with the > ACK packets. To be absolutely safe, I should find the smallest buffer > and keep p * w smaller than that buffer. And that buffer could well > be the block size used by the modems. > Or any other limiting device. > Sorry for my rambling style, but I am very excited that after so many > months of struggling I finally get good results. > While it is sometimes helpful to understand the issues in elaborate detail, in the final analysis there are limitations on every connection, and the limitations apply to all protocols that want to use it. The easiest way to cope with a difficult connection is to (a) first, ensure that you have the most effective possible means of flow control in effect at every juncture of the connection, and then (b) conduct a few experiments regarding packet length and window size, and use whatever combination results in the highest throughput. If the efficiency is still really bad, and it is a connection that will be used a lot, it makes sense to devote some time to isolating and clearing the bottleneck. In a connection like this one, it is very likely to be the buffering and/or flow-control capacity of the terminal server. Over the past years, I've done detailed evaluations of terminal servers and found just about every one of them lacking in some crucial area: flow control and/or buffer size and/or transparency. There is also a tendency for newer modems to be buggy, and there is also a good chance that your line is noisy -- if your modem has a "retrain" light, keep an eye on it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 19:42:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:05:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:05:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!mosspc.TTI.COM!moss From: moss@tti.com (Les Moss) Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: Lines: 105 Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: mosspc.tti.com Organization: TTI X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:42:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) >Subject: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) >Date: 22 Sep 1994 07:37:07 GMT >>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >>it uses from my old to my new system. >[......] >>On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >>new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >>as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? The problem is probably your I/O chip which incorrectly emulates a 16550 UART. Here is a description of the problem and a source of fixes: SMC 37C665 SUPER I/O CONTROLLER SERIAL PORT FAILURES 3-22-94 An incompatibility has been discovered between the Standard Microsystems Corporation FDC37C665 Super I/O controller serial port and various communication programs and serial port drivers. DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs. If data has been received while in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register gets set. Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and character pending status bit cannot be cleared. Communication applications see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an attempt to empty it and clear the status bit. The result is the status register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a loop trying to clear it. END USER IMPLICATIONS Potentially, any application or driver that makes use of the serial port FIFOs may exhibit this failure symptom. Failures have been reported by users running Microsoft Windows For Workgroups V3.11 TERMINAL.EXE application with an external modem attached to the on-board serial port. One failing scenario starts when the PC system is powered-up prior to the modem being powered up and invalid characters get placed into the 16450 holding register. The problem has also been reported when running Microsoft Windows V3.1 and using a printer connected to the serial port. The system experiences a "lock -up" condition. The problem can also show up while running DOS based communication programs such as Procomm+ or Crosstalk. SOLUTION There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS . The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450 holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode. There is no performance degradation experienced when using the "new" drivers. Please refer to the following description of the drivers. These drivers have been through regression testing and are known to be "robust". They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file). SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the following files: FILE NAME OPERATING SYSTEM COMMENTS README.TXT N/A A copy of this text file. SERIAL.386 Windows for Workgroups MS WfW serial port driver. SERIAL.TXT N/A Install instructions for SERIAL.386. COMM.DRV Windows 3.1 MS Win3.1 comm port driver. COMM.TXT N/A Install instructions for COMM.DRV. COMS.EXE DOS Executable file to be run prior to starting DOS communications S/W. COMS.TXT N/A Readme file for COMS.EXE. These drivers are also available on the SMC BBS (516-273-4936) and the Microsoft BBS (206-936-6735) under the following file names: FILE NAME OPERATING SYSTEM COMMENTS WG1001.EXE Windows for Workgroups Self-extracting zip file. This driver is currently being shipped with the OEM versions of WFW. COMM.ZIP Windows 3.1 UART550.EXE DOS Self-extracting zip file. The file can be added to a batch file to run prior to running the DOS communication program. In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the component that fixes this problem. We will use this new stepping of the component on new product builds when it becomes available. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 20:52:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:19:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:19:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 28 Sep 1994 16:52:40 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 62 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, :This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the :idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is :unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of :communications software. Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens." : They raise the expectations of users unreasonably :high. Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high. : There is no way that communications software can know what is going :on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can :even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations, then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a "say what?" message. :I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the :two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we :want them to. The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for :somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype. I think the :conservative ones are still the most appropriate. The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well, instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up. The way to fund the Kermit support is to make the program less arcane, have it work right more of the time, and use the saved time to program improvements. Restricting distribution so average users don't get it with popular collections is not going to increase usage, and if there is a user who isn't aware that s/he should get newer versions of everything, they're hiding. In the last week you have gotten two major sites to stop distributing Kermit. You may think the world will beat a path to your ftp site now, but I bet people will just take another program off the site they know, or the CD of the collection from that site, and if it's shareware at least a few will register. Chuck Forsberg (sp?) must be dancing in glee. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 22:34:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:34:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:34:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 28 Sep 1994 22:34:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36cr19$711@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: > In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > ... > The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is > complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune > them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size > instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well, > instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule > buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down > until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up. > Sure it would be great if we could get it to work automatically every time. Perhaps I downplayed what it already does automatically. Packet size and window size are indeed negotiated, and the actual packet length and window size varies during the transfer according to prevailing conditions, but never above the negotiated lengths. Parity (Even, Odd, or Mark) is discovered automatically by the protocol. Timers are a bit trickier and need more work to be optimized automatically on a dynamic basis as conditions change. Control-character unprefixing cannot be negotiated. That's because neither Kermit program knows anything about what boxes are lying between the two Kermit programs, and so can never say with any certainty that a particular control character is safe. You can't send a test pattern either, without the risk of breaking or hopelessly wedging the connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 21:32:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:46:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:46:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:32:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36cncp$oac@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: :Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The The negotiations to resolve the situation between Garbo and Columbia have now broken down. The MsKermit material has been permanently withdrawn from Garbo. From now on I am anwering no questions relating to this matter or MsKermit or its availablity. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 21:57:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:55:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:55:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!mcrware.microware.com!jejones From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: info utilities and old Kermits Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:57:30 GMT Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36cosa$639@mcrware.microware.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.microware.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use a certain "information utility," and in the past I used a different one (it cost too much). I'd love to use Kermit for file transfers to/from it--end-of-line conversion for text files is a pain--but the utility has a very old, limited Kermit, and despite repeated pleas has no apparent intention of upgrading. Does anyone keep track of what services out there support up-to-date Kermit file transfer? James Jones Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 00:34:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:37:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:37:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!balsam!usenet From: Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 00:34:28 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 12 Message-Id: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge receiving it, sends another packet, etc. Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. (BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea). Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 01:47:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:47:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:47:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 01:47:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) writes: > I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading > a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge > receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > > Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" > without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus > are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with > the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. > No. Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking and sequencing information. I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control at various levels, presentation functions, etc. And don't forget that errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium -- lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc. > (BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea). > I'm beginning to wonder... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 08:43:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:23:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 29 Sep 1994 08:43:37 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 55 Message-Id: <36dunp$6gh@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu moss@tti.com (Les Moss) writes: >DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM >The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later >programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to >operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs. If data has been received while >in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed >into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register >gets set. Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and >character pending status bit cannot be cleared. Communication applications >see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an >attempt to empty it and clear the status bit. The result is the status >register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a >loop trying to clear it. In my case Kermit started up just fine, apparently using the chips in FIFO mode, run a script, hung up the line and then failed. It seems to me that after the hang-up Kermit is reinitializing the ports all over again without testing first while the chips were already in FIFO mode. BTW Kermit 3.14 (I got a beta version to test and they asked me not to distribute, so don't ask) works fine, but I don't understand Joe's remarks that only 2x4 cures helped. I don't think this is such a big problem with the chips. >There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for >Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS . The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450 >holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode. Is it just me or is this a wise thing to do anyway? You'll lose a character I guess but you are switching modes and not picking up on an existing communication. BTW why doesn't the computer (or chips) come back to the living when a character arrives that CAN be retrieved? >They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name >SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file). SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the >following files: Could somebody place these files up for ftp somewhere? Please, please. >In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the >component that fixes this problem. We will use this new stepping of the >component on new product builds when it becomes available. I purchased my computer and card in September. I can't imagine my supplier has a backlog of old components (or they are buying them cheap), so has there been a delay in getting these new components out? Thanks for the info! Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 09:52:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:01:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:01:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:52:16 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36e2og$4ad@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:293 comp.archives.msdos.d:8832 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: : The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. :The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific :browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but :the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction. :That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others :and covered by copyright restrictions. Partly, but it is much more than that. For example SimTel (and Garbo if we'll have a CDROM) sell the directory arrangements, the index files, the huge amount of work done in preselection, the virus and integrity testing performed on the material. Of course those could not exists without the existence of the actual authors' product, but saying "trading for profit in works copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions" is far too narrow a view to this issue as I have tried to point out in private conversation. You have all the right to forbid us having your material on our archives as a result of our material going to CDROMs. That is unequivocal, and we abide without a protest in that respect. But presenting us as commercially utilizing the work others is inaccurate and highly oversimplified. There is a considerable value added in maintaining and making such colections. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 04:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:06:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:06:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!xenitec!nic.hookup.net!matrix!matrix.ajlc.waterloo.on.ca!ajlill From: ajlill@matrix.AJLC.Waterloo.On.Ca (Tony Lill) Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 20 Sep 1994 18:28:06 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@tlill.hookup.net (Net News Admin) Organization: A. J. Lill Consultants, Cambridge, Ont. References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 04:00:44 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: In article <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: Frank> In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Frank> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) writes: >> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? >> Frank> Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. Frank> For some the answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, Frank> of course, the answer is no. A fundamental aspect of the Frank> UNIX operating system is that when a process exits, all of Frank> its open files are closed. There is no way around it. But Frank> this is not really the question you wanted to ask. Right answer, but wrong reason. I use a kermit script to automate dialing up my IP providor on my UNIX box, and then it runs a script to start up the slip link. When the slip link is up, the is another process holding the device open, but much to my chagrin, when I exited Kermit, it went out ot it's way to hang up the modem. What I ended up doing was at the end ot the shell script that started slip, I grabbed kermit's pid from the lock file and killed process (after playing with the lock files so nothing else tried to go for the tty). This left the device open, and slip running. It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in. -- Tony Lill, Tony.Lill@AJLC.Waterloo.ON.CA President, A. J. Lill Consultants (519) 241 2461 539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont. fax/data (519) 650 3571 "Welcome to All Things UNIX, where if it's not UNIX, it's CRAP!" From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 12:46:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 08:46:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 08:46:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 29 Sep 1994 12:46:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36ecv3$kci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ajlill@matrix.AJLC.Waterloo.On.Ca (Tony Lill) writes: > It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it > hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip > link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed > the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in. > When Kermit exits (_exit's), all open file descriptors are closed. In most UNIX operating systems, if you close a file descriptor on a tty device, it turns off DTR, either momentarily or until the next open, thus causing any attached modem to hang up unless it has been configured to ignore DTR. If you are able to prevent that from happening by having another process use the same file descriptor, fine, but I can't swear that this will work in all UNIX implementations -- any close vs last close, etc. What you might be experiencing is a hangup due to Kermit sending the *modem* command to hang up: plus-plus-plusATH0. To defeat this, all you need to do is tell Kermit to "set dial modem-hangup off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 13:31:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:31:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:31:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 29 Sep 1994 13:31:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM. But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing more than get-rich-quick schemes. Start up gopher in the evening, come back in the morning, copy everything that came in to a tape, take it to a fulfillment house that will cut 1000 CDROMs from it for a dollar each, then advertise them for sale at $20 per. Anybody can do it. How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? Finally, once again and for the last time: We, Columbia University, did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove Kermit software from their archives. These sites elected to remove Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites. I posted a long message about this yesterday, explaining our position in detail, but Keith Peterson (of Simtel) was kind enough to point out that I had mistakenly capitalized "World" in the Distribution field, and so many sites might have rejected it, since the planets did not match. I hesitate to post it again lest the embers be fanned again into flames. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 11:29:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:59:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:59:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 28 Sep 1994 20:59:13 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 30 Message-Id: <36bk29$mb9@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 : > : > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to : > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. : > : > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? : ------------- : If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK : to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware : port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your : example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is : able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware : to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last : used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no : guarantees that this always works. : The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via : Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. Hmm, I'll check with David Nugent (BNU author) about it, as SET PORT BIOS 2 hasn't worked for me when BNU was loaded. BTW, MS-Kermit has been great for logging modem connect failure diagnostics when running a bbs. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 13:28:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:16:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:16:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 09:28:02 -0400 References: <36cncp$oac@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." *** Error, brain bugcheck, mind rebooted... From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:22:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 29 Sep 1994 15:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the > loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still > be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? > Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed. Of course Kermit software is available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with it. Our policies have not changed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:04:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:49:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:48:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:04:00 -0600 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission Summary: Need recomendation on Net card. Keywords: TCPIP, MS-Kermit, Ethernet X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX, but that probably doesn't matter). I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines. Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it. (Joe maybe?) -Fozz (D L Barton) -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 02:20:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 12:44:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 12:44:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <1994Sep29.082003.28169@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 08:20:03 MDT References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com>, davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: > In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > > :This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the > :idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is > :unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of > :communications software. > > Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of > making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and > establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is > while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding > code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens." > > : They raise the expectations of users unreasonably > :high. > > Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high. > > : There is no way that communications software can know what is going > :on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can > :even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. > > You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this > window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations, > then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most > cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my > windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound > destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a > "say what?" message. May I interject a little reality check here? Thanks. You are inventing straw men, those windows things. What you clearly do not know is the protocol negotiates such items to the maximum common denominator of both sides. That's exactly what you want isn't it: max capability, automatically. You seem to think that a person can Command a comms channel into submission ("here's the packet size...eight bit clean") and it will work. I wish you were correct so we could have less code and commands to give. As we have been trying to explain, there are situations where one can't run an automatic check, 8-bit cleanliness being one of them, buffer capacity being another. Things break outside of the programs, they really do. So what's your real complaint? Well, I suspect it might be "It doesn't go at warp speed in MY particular situation right out of the box." Right? Do you ever have to adjust any comms program at all? No boxes to check, etc? What do you tell customers when the program doesn't work in their nebulous environment? Kermit settings are shipped to work the first time, which I presume is a worthy goal of any program. Working faster (but one goal, another being reliably) is available to anyone who reads a few pages and tries things in their particular enviroment. And we provide the tools and documentation to cope with a wide variety of "their particular environments", yet you complain about that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 06:00:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:17:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:17:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!jeff Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Message-Id: <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Jeff Bangert) Date: 29 Sep 94 11:00:38 CDT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi (ts@chyde.uwasa.fi) wrote: : Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The : files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read : permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation : please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not : direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is : distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there : is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an announcement. Could someone point me to it? Thanks, Jeff Bangert, Computer Center, University of Kansas jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:10:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:21:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:21:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 18:10:26 GMT Organization: None Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET character? The reason I would like to see this is that I use the Ctrl key alot. I hold down the Ctrl key using my left hand and somtimes press another character using my right hand (e.g., Ctrl-k). Then I will move my right hand and press `enter'. However, sometimes my left hand has not fully released the Ctrl key yet and as a result, I get Ctrl-ENTER which Kermit maps to a ^J. This might be a silly issue for most but I find it frustrating. Thanks, -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:39:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:39:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:39:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:39:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET > character? > Type "show key" Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:" Push Ctrl-Enter Kermit says: Scan code \5386 is defined as Ascii char: ^J \10 Now you see the scan code and the definition. Now use SET KEY to change the definition: set key \5386 \13 (13 is the ASCII code for carriage return). Put the "set key" command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file if you always want this definition in effect. Do the same thing for any other keys or key combos that you would like to remap. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:45:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:58:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:58:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:45:41 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. Frank, this is not true. SimTel does NOT sell programs. The CD-ROMs provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet. Without this income SimTel would cease to exist. There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection. Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177. For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT! It takes 100 cents to make one dollar. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 16:00:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:09:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:09:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!newsgw.mentorg.com!oddball.sjc.mentorg.com!sdl!plts!big.info.att.com!allegra!ulysses!nntpa!erredfs1!not-for-mail From: pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) Subject: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Message-Id: Originator: lsl@erredfs1 Sender: lsl%erredfs1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Lisa Paterno) Nntp-Posting-Host: erredfs1.er.att.com Organization: Paul Davidson INC. Distribution: att Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 16:00:11 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ -- The Opinions Expressed Are Soley Mine And Do Not In Any Way Express The Opinions Of My Employer. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 14:57:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:33:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 30 Sep 1994 00:27:18 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36ekke$7o2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 : > : > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to : > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. : > : > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? : ------------- : If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK : to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware : port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your : example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is : able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware : to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last : used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no : guarantees that this always works. : The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via : Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. : Joe D. I gave using the BIOS serial port a try, using BNU/I=1+ as David Nugent suggested. Kermit didn't like BIOS2 at 19200 bps though... My original means of operation (leaving BNU loaded and running MS-Kermit on Port 2) seems to work fine. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:02:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:36:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!pf2d+ From: Pedro Ferroni Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:02:06 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit version that responds IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87 1) Should I get a new one ? (and how) 2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. Thanks for the info. Pedro Westinghouse Pittsburgh ferroni.ped%wec@dialcom.tymnet.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:31:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:03:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:03:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:31:03 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36f4ln$fja@news.halcyon.com> References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) >writes: >> I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading >> a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge >> receiving it, sends another packet, etc. >> >> Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >> without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >> are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >> the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. >> >No. Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking >and sequencing information. I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of >tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control >at various levels, presentation functions, etc. And don't forget that >errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium -- >lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc. Also with proper settings kermit does not run in the start-stop mode described by Honeycutt. As I understand it, that's what the "set window-size" command deals with -- you can have as many as 31 unacknowledged packets pending, so the sender has only a most negligable delay when checking for ACKs (assuming the transmission is going smoothly). --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 21:08:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:05:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:05:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:08:53 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Mathematics Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > character? : > : Type "show key" : Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:" : Push Ctrl-Enter : Kermit says: : Scan code \5386 is defined as : Ascii char: ^J \10 This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. It shows: Ascii char: ^J \10 decimal is defined as self, no translation. Was this fixed in a patch? _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:12:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:12:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:12:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36fe3t$jdi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > Frank, this is not true. SimTel does NOT sell programs. The CD-ROMs > provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support > the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to > be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet. Without this > income SimTel would cease to exist. > > There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection. > Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177. > For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT! > It takes 100 cents to make one dollar. > Making every effort to clear the air on a cordial note -- and despite the appearance of a flame war, we're all friends here... Keith is correct. I misspoke if I said that Simtel was selling software. Organizations like Simtel provide a valuable service, provided they do a good and consciencious job, as (I am sure) Simtel does. Unfortunately, in the case of Kermit, which is not shareware, there is a conflict that can't be resolved easily or at all. And so we agree that mail-order distribution of Kermit software on physical media will be done by Columbia, or by agreement with Columbia, so we can get the income we need to continue our work. I admit, 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty good deal! But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs. With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as Simtel's are perfect for shareware. All the author has to do is write the software and then sit back and collect money. However, despite suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:13:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:13:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:13:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) writes: > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:18:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:18:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:18:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:18:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <36fef2$k1t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Pedro Ferroni writes: > I have a kermit version that responds > IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87 > 1) Should I get a new one ? (and how) > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. > 2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter > password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. > Purchase and read the manual. It has an entire chapter devoted to script programming, with plenty of examples (language of your choice): Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:22:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:22:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > : ... > : Kermit says: > : Scan code \5386 is defined as > : Ascii char: ^J \10 > > This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. > However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level > 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. > Oops, silly me! You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key. Sorry. I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14. I'll check with Joe. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:15:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:37:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:37:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!seunet!news2.swip.net!seunet!kullmar!bk From: bk@kullmar.se (Bo Kullmar) Subject: A Kermit library for MS-Windows Message-Id: <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se> Organization: ABC-Klubben Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:15:45 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages than 94 bytes. Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)). --Bo Kullmar From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 23:04:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:41:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!billw From: billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: stuttering screen display Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:04:22 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400 fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as reading one or two news articles. I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188). I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the same results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine. Any help or pointers via email or post would be greatly appreciated since I have gotten totaly frustrated and out of options and I can't figure out if it is the modem or kermit. On downloads the most I have been able to get out of the 14400 is 1200cps but most of the time it is lower with multiple retries. -- ****************************************************************************** Bill West Houston TX email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:46:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 23:01:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 23:01:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 30 Sep 1994 02:46:38 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > character? : > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:12:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:13:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:13:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Sep29.211252.28265@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 21:12:52 MDT References: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > > I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few > machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX, > but that probably doesn't matter). > > I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but > now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to > use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines. > > Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load > IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand > correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I > can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. > > If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it. > (Joe maybe?) --------- Doran, I guess you could have asked me directly. The Kermit Project does not endorse any network adapter. That's a choice well out of our domain. Any of the three common driver/handler programs: ODI, NDIS, Packet Drivers, will work with MS-DOS Kermit (NDIS requires the dis_pkt9 shim). If you are accustomed to ODI then please remember that IPX is just an ODI client, just the same as Kermit is, side by side. Please see the distribution file MSKERM.BWR on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a. One more thing. Kermit does NOT contain an Ethernet driver. Consequently the Packet Driver interrupt has no relation with a hardware IRQ from a board. Kermit will find a Packet Driver all by itself, or you can force its attention on one interrupt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 30 04:29:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:27:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:27:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sisters.cs.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:29:01 -0700 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: Most BBS-es have old, lame Kermit versions built-in Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners of zmodem lobbying against it? Kermit deserves better. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 30 04:32:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:46:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:46:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Solved Kermit download problem, sort of Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:32:35 -0700 Lines: 17 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36g4d3$m42@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <36ca5k$c7j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Roland Kwee writes: >> ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500 >> bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a >> throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a >> problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server, >> or in the remote modem. (many lines deleted) Please be informed that my problems seem to be linked to running Kermit under Linux. When rebooting with DOS on the same hardware, KErmit seems to be able to download with 1000-byte packets with no problem. Now I am rather thinking of a problem with Linux instead of with the protocol. --Roland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 05:57:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:10:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:10:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:57:14 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations. This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution of Kermit. You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way you see fit other than selling it. Users' groups and shareware distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium and duplication costs. Bulletin boards may not charge additional fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal connect-time and/or membership charges. You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell. In the case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM. Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 08:47:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:48:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de!rhein!jreinert From: jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) Subject: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Message-Id: Keywords: BASIC,Kermit Sender: news@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de (Unix-News-System) Nntp-Posting-Host: rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:47:01 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in the public domain? Thanks for any input Joachim Reinert -- Joachim Reinert UNI Kaiserslautern, AG-DVS fax : +49 631 205 3558 P.O. Box 3049 phone : +49 631 205 3282 67653 Kaiserslautern - Germany e-mail: jreinert@informatik.uni-kl.de From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 20:44:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:16:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:44:58 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: >Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. TRANSMIT Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). Doesn't translate character sets. CRLF is sent as CR only unless SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS ON. Empty lines are sent as pairs of CRs (or CRLFS) unless SET TRANSMIT FILL is used. SET TRANSMIT Various parameters used to control TRANSMIT command. FILL-EMPTY-LINE { NONE, SPACE, } LINE-FEEDS-SENT { ON, OFF } PAUSE - pause milliseconds after sending each line. PROMPT - character to wait for before sending next line (= \10) LOG SESSION Capture a remote file, which you must TYPE, into the named file (SESSION.LOG by default). Use \Klogoff and \Klogon keyboard verbs to stop and restart logging (Ctrl-]Q, Ctrl-]R). CLOSE SESSION Stop capturing and close the session log file. There should be commands in the other versions of Kermit similar to these. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:38:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:22:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:22:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!kocrsv01!koicds01!tvmyers From: tvmyers@koicds01.icdc.delcoelect.com (Thomas V. Myers) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Sender: news@icdc.delcoelect.com (News Manager) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:38:01 GMT References: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Frodo Was Here X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > SimTel's policy is: > Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs > offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not > be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, > it will not be accepted. > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City > of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared > without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, > except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software > product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with > commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to > their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of > Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. > Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs > and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have > been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). > Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. > The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Keith > -- > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's suddenly time to pull Kermit off your distribution. Either you don't enforce your policy except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the copyright notices until somebody asks about them. -- Tom Myers : tvmyers@icdc.delcoelect.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 21:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:23:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:23:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:00:45 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt wrote: >I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading >a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge >receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > >Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus Better yet, how about continuous sending WITH error correction? Better Kermit programs all support `sliding windows,' which allows the sender to send a bunch of packets without getting an acknowledgement. Suitably configured, you can get continuous data flow and a considerable improvement in speed over the default half-duplex transfer strategy. BTW, Kermit has supported sliding windows since 1986, before ZModem existed. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:43:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:14:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:14:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!weber From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:43:30 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: >> I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the >> loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still >> be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? >> >Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed. Of course Kermit software is >available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth >time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and (although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either. Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well, also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ? I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative overhead would seem inacceptable. May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that - when met automatically allow CDROM distribution - are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet related archive CDs ? After all its a distribution way like every other, and I pay orders of magnitude more money to a local Internet provider when ftping all the stuff than when bying a Walnut Creek CDROM. Regards Christoph Weber-Fahr -- Christoph Weber-Fahr | E-Mail: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Universitaet Kaiserslautern, KIT | S-Mail: Postfach 3049 Tel. 0631/205-3391 | D-67653 Kaiserslautern -------------------------- My personal opinion only --------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:55:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:55:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:55:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36h1si$6ip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes: > I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are > programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. > The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will > serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: > Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in > the public domain? > The following Kermit programs are written in BASIC: Directory Files Comments kermit/c lux*.* Luxor ABC micros, ABC-BASIC-II kermit/d rd2*.* DG 800 RDOS kermit/c ta1*.* Tandy 100 kermit/d mbf*.* MAI Basic Four kermit/d pic*.* PICK, DATA/BASIC kermit/c hpb*.* HP-9000 BASIC workstation kermit/c hp9*.* HP-9845 BASIC workstation kermit/c hp8*.* HP86 and HP87 These are on kermit.columbia.edu. In each of these directories you will find a listing of all the Kermit programs with a name like aav???.hlp, which tells the system, OS, language, location, date of the Kermit program, and where it came from. The "???" portion of the name tells how it was sorted. ???=LNG means programming language. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:02:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stuttering screen display Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:02:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <36h28e$6vf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) writes: > > I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400 > fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal > with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually > refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one > display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back > by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as > reading one or two news articles. > > I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188). > I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the same > results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine. > These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control. You have to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it), and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control. x x I trust that is x the whole x answer x but I still x have to add x more lines x or else x the answer x won't be x posted. x - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:24:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Keywords: BASIC,Kermit References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:24:25 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes: >Hi! > >I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are >programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. >The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will >serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: >Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in >the public domain? That's fastinating! I'd be interested in following up on this myself, for I have a friend of mine who was recently made System Administrator for a company's new unix box. He knows MS-DOS and Business BASIC as well, but not unix. So, he spent his time setting up the system so that it runs like MS-DOS using programs like Unix WordPerfect 5.1, Lotus, etc. But when he ordered the Unix, he says he *didn't* order the C compiler, only Business BASIC! Now he's asking me how he can transfer files to the unix system via modem. I'll download the .BAS file that exists at columbia and send it his way. I hope he can hack his way through it :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:11:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:11:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:11:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!gmi.edu!ellis From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 30 Sep 94 13:11:36 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 32 Message-Id: References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.gmi.edu Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5b3.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. They all use ancient versions with tiny packets and no sliding windows. >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners >of zmodem lobbying against it? I think the answers are yes, yes, definitely yes. >Kermit deserves better. Probably, but it would help if it were easier to configure for maximum performance, or if it make more modern assumptions as the default, with a series of macros included that set for the more pessimistic setups. >--Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:00:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:00:53 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their > collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging ... > But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing > more than get-rich-quick schemes. Start up gopher in the evening, come ... > How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our > product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? Because their work is added in a way which can be reasonably compensated. Depending on the nature of the complementary work, it may not make any sense to compensate. Right now, I'm filling out little Scantron bubbles for a computing survey. Someone's going to take that data and generate a report and make money off of it, without compensating me. However, said report may lead to computing technologies which I may want to use. Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. -Mike , 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty > good deal! But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the > time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only > distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support > for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs. For the amount of work that you put into Kermit,if you do want to keep it in the context of a Columbia u. "product", have you considred applying for grant moneys to fund its support? The FSF accepts grants, and I don't believe their integrity has been corrupted as a consequence. Your model of funding your work seems bent on frustrating people who can do a better job of distributing your work than you can, which disturbs me. > With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as > Simtel's are perfect for shareware. All the author has to do is write > the software and then sit back and collect money. However, despite > suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users > want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this > even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to. You seem to imply that it's so easy for a shareware author to slap together some random hunk of chicken vomit together and make money. I'd disagree, and I'd argue that attaching one's name to a piece of crap can have bad consequences down the road. The majority of Kermit users would *want* an international 1-800 # where they could bitch and moan about their kermit woes to their heart' content, all at the expense of your people who'd have better things to do. The majority of the Kermit users probably would gleefully accept anything which doesn't get in the way of their acquisition and use of Kermit. Your policies seem to get in the way of the users, who might prefer an independent body doing virus scanning and professional bundling and such. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:30:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:30:05 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: ... >That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others >and covered by copyright restrictions. > BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much >the same as the CDROM case, in my view. > Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, >irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. > The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our >product without our permission. Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they can for it? And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:14:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:14:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:14:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:14:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) writes: > What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central > OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one > should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and > (although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either. > Fine, nobody said they could not put it on Hobbes, even though they tend to be behind the Columbia version and we waste a lot of time answering questions about this. > Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well, > also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ? > If it is on the Walnut Creek CDROM, it was put there without our permission. Either they did not read the copyright notice, or they deliberately violated it. If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor. Read on and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already). > I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem > to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible > when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative > overhead would seem inacceptable. > > May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that > > - when met automatically allow CDROM distribution > - are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet > related archive CDs ? > We have been searching for such criteria that are mutually beneficial. But there is an inherent contridiction here: there is no way the CDROM companies can afford to pay us anywhere near what we have to charge ourselves for distributed Kermit software by mail order. Why? Because our costs cover not only ftping stuff and copying it to a CDROM, but also designing, writing, maintaining, supporting, and documenting the software AND we include a printed manual. And conversely, there is no way we can keep the Kermit effort going on "a fraction of a penny per program". This discussion would not be taking place if nobody liked or used Kermit software. If you like it, if you use it, then please respect tha people who work so hard to bring it to you. These people are not the CDROM makers, they are the programmers and writers who actually produce it and the tech support people who have been answering your questions on a daily basis for over a decade. As I pointed out yesterday (there's that phrase again), CDROMs are great for distributing shareware, because then everybody wins. CDROMs are not great for distributing Kermit software, because the very dynamics of the process KILL the Kermit effort. The only way to fight back -- and survive -- is to change our terms so it is no longer free for everybody to use. Is that what you want? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:02:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:15:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:15:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!newshost!sasdrq From: sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) Subject: Re: Kermit icon Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:02:26 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: gamecock.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is an icon that I think suits Kermit well. A very good likeness of the muppet it is named for. Given to me by Paul T. Krust. 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David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. sasdrq@unx.sas.com SAS Campus Drive, R4138 (919)677-8000 x6284 Cary, NC 27513-2414 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:17:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:33:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:33:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!rcvie!rcvie.co.at!wnp From: wnp@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep30.131718.19028@aaf.alcatel.at> Sender: news@aaf.alcatel.at Nntp-Posting-Host: rcsw55 Reply-To: Wolf.Paul@AAF.Alcatel.AT Organization: Alcatel Austria Research Center, Vienna, Austria References: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:17:18 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tvmyers@koicds01.icdc.delcoelect.com (Thomas V. Myers) writes: > Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: > > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about > source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's > suddenly time to pull Kermit off your distribution. Either you don't enforce > your policy except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the > copyright notices until somebody asks about them. According to Keith's note his decision was based on an e-mail exchange between him and Frank da Cruz, the contents of which you are presumably not fully aware of, and not just on "a comment" about whatever. I would like to point out two important aspects which seem to get forgotten frequently: 1. Until about a year ago, SIMTEL was an operation of the US Military, and was run strictly as an FTP archive. There was no collection copyright, no policies enforced at all as to CD-ROM or other physical media distribution. Vendors who created CD-ROM distributions from the SIMTEL collection were themselves responsible for paying attention to copyright; Keith and/or the White Sands Missile Range did not receive any revenues from these distributions and were not responsible for them. THAT HAS CHANGED! The Army shut down the SIMTEL20 computer, and the Collection was given a new home by Coast to Coast Telecom, and renamed The SimTel Collection. I am not privy to all of the arrangements Keith has with them regarding his salary and other costs of maintaining the Collection, but he has stated several times that there is now a collection copyright on the Collection in order that some of the funds required to maintain the Collection can be realized by licensing CD-ROM distributions. This has shifted the responsibility for complying with copyright laws from the CD-ROM vendors at least partly to Keith and his employer, and it is therefore only normal and expected that Keith had to think about and implement a policy which would permit them to steer clear of any litigation. 2. It is clear however, that with the sheer amount of material in the SimTel collection, it takes time to go through all of the copyright notices, and of course those cases where someone complains are dealt with first. As I said above, this has not been an issue in the same way until about a year ago, so it is irrelevant what has been in the copyright notices "for years". In any case, let's be more careful in casting aspersions and accusations of any kind at people whose services we do not pay for and yet benefit from. -- V Wolf N. Paul, UNIX Support/KSF wnp@aaf.alcatel.at +-----------------+ Alcatel Austria AG, Site "F" +43-1-291-21-122 (w) | A L C A T E L | Ruthnergasse 1-7 +43-1-292-1452 (fax) +-----------------+ A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe +43-1-220-6481 (h) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:36:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:36:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:36:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:36:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 73 Message-Id: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > > In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection > I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations. > This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between > Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution > of Kermit. > > You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way > you see fit other than selling it. Users' groups and shareware > distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium > and duplication costs. Bulletin boards may not charge additional > fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal > connect-time and/or membership charges. > > You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell. In the > case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the > price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM. > Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents. > Thanks Keith. Look folks -- some of you seem intent on pinning us down to a nearly Talmudic definition of the terms and conditions for redistributing Kermit software, and the underlying sentiment seems to be that, despite its copyright status, it is really a public resource -- in the public domain, and everybody in the world has right not only to use it (they do), but also to redistribute it for financial gain. They don't. Fine. Think of Kermit as a public resource, like your local fire or police or sanitation department, or the Library of Congress. Yes, you have a right to its services, but somebody has to pay for them. They are paid for out of a tax. That's how all of you are able to use it for free -- somebody ELSE is paying for the work that goes into it (or more accurately this week, that is NOT going into it :-). (Lest anyone misunderstand, by "tax" I do not mean a federal, state, or local tax, but income from mail-order sales of our books and magnetic media to other end-users all over the world.) The amount of work that is done -- which is not nearly as much as needs to be done -- costs a certain amount of money: salaries, benefits, computers, service contracts, supplies, etc. If we don't get the money, we can't do the work, it's that simple. The various proposals that public-spirited contributors are making about how we should give our software away to companies in order for them to sell it to you (pardon me, Keith) cheaper than we could are intrinsically destructive. Please try to understand: This results in more copies of Kermit software out there that we have to support, and less income for us to pay for that support. As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change the way we get income; I hope not. On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO COMPLAIN. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:51:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:51:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What > is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. > My goodness, captitalism run amok. No good deed goes unpunished, eh? Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire new Kermit programs. I like to think that the Kermit effort is one of the great examples of worldwide collaboration brought about in part by the networks, but mainly for everybody in the world to have access to a useful tool. These people contribute willingly and without compensation. Their work is acknowleged in public -- we regularly publish lists of these people in the source code, in our books and newsletters, etc. We have been operating this way for many years, and it works. Well, it works less now than it did before, because times are harder now and most people can't afford to contribute as much of their time as they used to. Computers are trading commodities. Software itself, once an art, is now too a commodity. Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and comments, but what, really, is the point? Do you really want to turn the Kermit effort into a business? With licenses for everybody? Lawsuits? Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free. Why do you care more about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 01:51:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 10:14:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 10:14:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 07:51:53 MDT References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com>, jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> > : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do > : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there > : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET > : > character? > : > > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... > > That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are > Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on > standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. > > JamesS ---------- Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:10:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:18:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:18:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:10:21 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: primavera.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 29 Sep 1994 22:13:33 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) writes: > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2 with no problem. For binaries, go to kermit/bin/ckuker.sparc.sunos[appropriate OS]. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:25:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:27:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:27:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 11:25:19 -0400 Organization: Project Development and Finance Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a sane environment? 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use xon/xoff. (Heretical note: sz works fine without -e.) -- dhs spencer@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:37:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:45:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:45:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!billw From: billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stuttering screen display Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:37:55 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36hbcj$4ql@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> <36h28e$6vf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill : West) writes: : These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control. You have : to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it), : and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control. I think it ended up being hardware related, namely a digital VAX 4000 model 90 with the modem hooked up to the tta2 port. I am ending up with kermit showing a connection speed of 38400 and the port itself showing 9600 . I got rid of the screen stutter with set flo keep on ckermit, and at the same time living with the slower baud rate that my hardware is giving me. I did have it hooked to a decserver 200/mc and that was worse:-(. Thanks for your response and keep up the good work, I for one appreciate it. -- ****************************************************************************** Bill West Houston TX email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:49:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:49:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:49:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36hc26$jk8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes: > In article <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul > Davidson) writes: > > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). > Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get > kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the > resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2 > with no problem. > Sorry I was not sufficiently verbose. I've been working on edit 190 for more than a year, and I would appreciate it if people on the net would go straight to the 190 Beta, which is quite solid. That way, any problem reports I get will apply to the current code, rather than to an old, frozen version upon which countless improvements have already been made. There are only a couple small matters that keep 190 from being released right now. One of them is the lack of a testbed for SunLink X.25, which I hope is now remedied, and the other is the perhaps vein hope of getting RESEND capability added to the VMS version. If you find problems in 189, that's too bad, it's too late. If you find problems in 190, I'll fix them right away. That's why I recommend the test version. Thank you for your indulgence, - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:52:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:52:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:52:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:52:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes: > What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > sane environment? > Please read the documentation. This question does not have an answer. There is no point in posting it in public hoping that somebody "out there" has a magic answer. There isn't one. For each and every connection, the answer is different, and depends on every component -- modem, terminal server, host operating system, console driver, PAD, etc etc -- along the path. In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different. In many cases you don't even know what bxes you are going through. The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 16:13:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 16:13:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > path. In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different. > ^^^^^^^^^ You know what I mean, right? Different, the same, they're all the same to me ... > The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the > KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. > It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. > Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:59:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 08:59:33 MDT References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact > that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, > I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board > systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading > files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. ---------- Agreed, it's embarassing to see what's run on some BBS systems. Well, we are trying to help this, and you can lend a hand, by issuing a small memory footprint edition of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 which omits all networking and all terminal emulation. The executable is about 122KB, +/- whatever happens in beta testing. Unwinding the many linkages between components was not easy, but it's been accomplished. There are a number of uses for such a reduced version, and BBS sites are but one of them. Full file transfer capabilities are present, as are the script tools and command line operations (which include restricting access to Kermit running in server mode). What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts and set long packets and sliding windows etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:52:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:14:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.095231.28333@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 09:52:31 MDT References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) writes: > I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading > a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge > receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > > Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" > without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus > are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with > the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. ----------- One has to step back and ask why you would want to do this. Presumably in an attempt to save time, yes? But it doesn't save measurable time because the error checking is so very fast, far faster than say sending a single byte on a serial link. To give you an example. Let's run two Kermits over a serial line, and then run the same Kermits over an Ethernet path. Transfer the same files the same way etc. Over the serial link the file byte/sec rate is about the same as the serial line can carry. On Ethernet (TCP/IP Telnet) the speed ranges from 40KB/sec to 80+KB/sec, depending on the machines. In serial port terms these look like rates of 400,000-800,000 bits/sec. The same programs, same files, just changing the comms channel. That says the Kermit protocol portion is far faster than any serial link work. More, the TCP/IP Telnet work is a full (and I do mean brim full) protocol stack itself which requires time to execute; a serial channel is very much simpler. Basically, when using a serial link the PCs are loafing. As other posters have indicated, there are many things which can go wrong in a file transfer, and errors on the wire are just one set. Error checking is vital and yet it is extremely fast. Protocols get to be complicated in part because they must perform certain mimimum functions to guarantee safe delivery. But those functions are still cheap in time compared to the speeds of serial comms wires. Please turn on sliding windows, even over a link two feet long between PCs. It lets transmission continue while the first packet is being digested. Please use long packets, say 1KB-2KB, if your link permits that many bytes in a row (not all do, I'm sorry to say). Those two items alone produce much improved performance, if the comms system can support the traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 14:07:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:40:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 29 Sep 1994 14:07:56 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 36 Message-Id: <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36c3s4$2u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: :It would seem (at least to me) from this text actually that there was no :reason for the Simtel20 and Garbo archives to remove kermit stuff from :their archives. They would simply have to place notes in their ftp :directories that for example the kermit directory may not be placed on :CD-ROM collections made from their archives, as most archive keepers are :not really involved in the production of the CD-ROM's. Correct? Correct in theory, but not in our current policy. Material which may not be put on potential CDROMs of our archives are not carried. That would require two sets of directories, those with fully distributable material, those with non-CDROM-eligible material. It is far too complicated, at least for me. I want Garbo archives to be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in theory that could be possible. To be honest, I do not have sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated pattern. I now understand from the authors that MsKermit could be retained on Garbo if I would see to it that it would not go on any CDROM. (I hope I got this right?). Fair enough, but as I said, far too complicated for me. None of this is directed against the MsKermit authors whom I have the pleasure to consider as net friends. It is simply that we have an incompatible situation. As Frank privately put it, no hard feelings. These situations just come up as fact of life without any ill-intentions from either side. We'll just have to live with this. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 20:16:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 29 Sep 1994 20:16:27 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 69 Message-Id: <36f7ar$aq7@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their :collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging :the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM. Thank you. I appreciate the recognition. :How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our :product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? There are two alternative views. You can treat each method of distribution equal. For example you can say, distributing from FTP sites is ok, distributing on CDROMs is not ok, distributing on 2.8Mb disks in not ok, and so on. Another alternative is giving the consent according to the distributor. There are authors who have granted SimTel and Garbo such a permission for their potential CDROMs while not the others. Unfair one might say at first sight, but stop to reflect this for a moment. We have quite a similar problem when evaluating programs submitted to us. Some we accept, some we don't because they are not up to our standards. Life is full of non-mechanistic choices. You can as well ask me "how come I accept someone's work while I reject that of someone else". The answer is by my personal judgement and the criteria I may have developed from the years of experience I might have. We all are human decision makers, not pre-programmed machines. Please do not get me wrong on two accounts. First, I am not suggesting that you SHOULD grant us special treatment. I am just pointing out that there are different approaches to this dilemma. Second, it is your privilege to decide your policies. I am not contesting them in any way. Whatever decision you have made, I'll respect it. :Finally, once again and for the last time: We, Columbia University, :did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove :Kermit software from their archives. These sites elected to remove That is fully understood. The reason for removal from SimTel (if I may speak partly for us both) and Garbo is that it would be too cumbersome to have two versions of our archives. A version with fully distributable material, a version with non-CDROM material. At least I lack the motivation and the time for that, as I already replied to Otto Makela's useful posting. :Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our :policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites. That is exactly right. We have no quarrel here. What we have is respective policies that at the moment make it impractical for us to continue to carry MsMermit on our archives, and make it impractical for you to allow use our full distibution. Hence the impasse. We just have an unfortunate combination in here. We understand and respect each others' views, but in our pleasant private discussions we were unable to find a solution to accomodate our respective policies. Thus the discontinuation of MsKermit support from our sites. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:03:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 03:03:58 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 24 Message-Id: <36fv6u$dop@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit :from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with :it. Our policies have not changed. Frank, that is an unfair passing the buck, and giving a run-around to your own users. Please don't. You have repeatedly explained that you did not actually require us to remove MsKermit from Garbo and SimTel. True. We have repeatedly explained why we had no choice given your policy about SimTel and potential Garbo CD-ROMs. Also true. Please let's not confuse YOUR users what this is about. I have not exhorted the users to COMPLAIN to anyone, nor will I stoop to it now. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 04:22:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:56:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:56:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 04:22:51 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36g3qr$e6u@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth :time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. Technically true, but lopsided. Let me explicitly spell out the existing alternatives. 1) We leave current the situation as is. Consequence: No MsKermit material at SimTel and Garbo. 2) Columbia change their policies and lift their ban on CDROM distribution altogether. Obviously out of the question. 3) Columbia change part of their policies by granting SimTel and Garbo an exception permission to have MsKermit material also on their CDROMs. Conququence: The material would be put back on these two sites and all their mirrors. (What other FTP sites and BBSes will and would do is outside our jurisdiction). 4) SimTel and Garbo give up CDROMs. Totally unrealistic. Out of the question. 5) SimTel and Garbo set aside a section for restricted material. As for Garbo, I am not prepared to do that. Way too cumbersome and confusing. No motivation. These are the simple facts of the situation. At the moment it seems that alternative #1 will prevail. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 17:00:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:00:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:00:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36hg7d$86f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > ...far too complicated, at least for me. I want Garbo archives to > be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in > theory that could be possible. To be honest, I do not have > sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated > pattern. > Thank you, Timo. This also goes to the complaint about the Kermit archives not being in exactly the format that you, personally, like best. Timo is only one guy, so am I. Maintaining multiple copies of archives to suit various sets of requirements and tastes is not high on his priority list, nor ours at Columbia, even though we actually do this to cover the most popular cases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 17:57:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:58:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:58:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:57:29 GMT Organization: None Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36hji9$ses@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: : Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it : from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. : Joe D. Sure you can: i = (unsigned int) bioskey (0); if (i == 0x1C0A) ----> Ctrl-Enter -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:59:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:26:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:26:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 09:59:42 MDT References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, > Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: > >>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >>without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. > > From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: > > * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING > > Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, > services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. > These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. > > TRANSMIT > Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard > a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next > line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). ---------- Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 19:39:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:39:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 30 Sep 1994 19:39:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36hphd$m45@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > ... > > * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING > > ... > > TRANSMIT > > Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard > > a line at a time. ... > > Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" > guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. > For your amusement: This is what Windows Terminal calls "text mode" file transfer. Guess what "binary mode" file transfer is. Hint: it's not what you think. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 18:04:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!djm.MAST.QueensU.CA!dmurdoch From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:04:18 GMT Organization: Queen's University Lines: 26 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: djm.mast.queensu.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any flexibility in their policies. Simtel and Garbo don't want special case software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult. Columbia doesn't recognize that having their software in the largest and best known MSDOS collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and more specialized collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit. Exposure and distribution to people without ftp access is worth something, and exposure to people who have never heard of Kermit before and who would have no idea to look for it is worth something. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. Duncan Murdoch dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 19:34:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:30:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!news-server!hagar From: hagar@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 30 Sep 1994 19:34:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulam.engin.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Sep 1994 13:36:32 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. Frank> There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of Frank> discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. Frank> In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are Frank> people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests Frank> that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE Frank> WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous Frank> terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO Frank> COMPLAIN. I fully support Columbia University's rights on this. I enjoy your books/documentation, and wish this lawyers thread would go offline (and stay offline). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 20:37:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:37:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:37:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 20:37:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) writes: > This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any > flexibility in their policies. Simtel and Garbo don't want special case > software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult. Columbia > doesn't recognize that having their software in the largest and best > known MSDOS collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and > more specialized collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit. Exposure and > distribution to people without ftp access is worth something, and > exposure to people who have never heard of Kermit before and who would > have no idea to look for it is worth something. > > It's a pretty sad state of affairs. > Indeed. At the risk of gaining a reputation as the kind of person who always must have the last word -- and I really do hope this IS the last word -- let me try to explain how you are missing the point. Of course there is value in Kermit software, and if everybody could get for free, or dirt cheap, that would be a good thing. We all agree about that. In fact, you could say the same thing about food, clothing, education, you name it. It would be great if you could get EVERYTHING for free. The point you are missing is that all these things are brought to you by people who work. But unlike other commodities, Kermit software really is free to those of you on the Internet who protest so loudly about our policies. The people who are paying for your access to our work are not complaining. I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get for a third of a penny. Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they pester us to death with questions that are already answered there. Work grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it. Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free, so we won! Yay! But then technology changes, operating systems change, communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who care so much about quality and support. I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do, - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:58:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:58:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:58:24 -0400 Organization: Project Development and Finance Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36i1m0$uh@panix3.panix.com> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the >> KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. >> It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't have. It was, however, most helpful. The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same setup. So my question still seems reasonable. >Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week. I've noticed. No offense taken. kermit is one of my favorite pieces of software, so you get plenary dispensation anyway. -- dhs spencer@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:15:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:16:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:16:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:15:12 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 52 Message-Id: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes in response to me: >> Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What >> is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. >> >My goodness, captitalism run amok. No good deed goes unpunished, eh? Of course, if you take me out of context, you can say whatever silly thing you want. Let's see what you said first: jdc> How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our jdc> product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? So I took it one step further with my "how much do you pay for Kermit bug fixes" remark. Then you proceed to take me out of context? Bah! >Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers >and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also >of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not >connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire >new Kermit programs. And I imagine they contributed with the understanding that this was free software that was freely redistributable. >Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and >night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and >comments, but what, really, is the point? Do you really want to turn the >Kermit effort into a business? With licenses for everybody? Lawsuits? >Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free. Why do you care more >about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software? I didn't say anything about licensing Kermit. I said something about supporting Kermit in a commercial fashion, so you can subsidize your activity of making Kermit into a great public product. Selling doc is probably not paying the bills. I am interested in seeing Kermit succeed, and I don't think that what you're doing is encouraging its success. The reason I care about CD-ROM makers is because I can point people who want to take a look at it and other technologies at a single source, well-sorted and well-tested. Also, with the emergence of FTP archives that ARE funded -- wuarchive, sunsite, etc. -- you already have a situation going on where your software resides on FTP sites that make money in a sense for running an archive, and may well be considered "commercial concerns" for the purposes of the Kermit/your copyright. What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit. Are you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money? What do you gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software? -Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 09:08:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:17:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:17:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep30.150824.28401@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 15:08:24 MDT References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu>, mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > ... >>That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others >>and covered by copyright restrictions. >> BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much >>the same as the CDROM case, in my view. >> Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, >>irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. >> The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our >>product without our permission. > > Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction > with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to > run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they > can for it? And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way. --------- Well, yes, what about them. Good question. If an FTP site is selling software then that's still selling software as above. The organization (to follow your example) providing the money is doing the buying of something, but buying what. Near this point the path becomes obscure, as reasonable people will agree (on the obscure part if nothing else, sigh). Normally .edu sites run on zero funding, or less, as a public service. Mine runs on less. Edu sites have all kinds of legal rules too, not to mention the unwritten ones about where one spends time and which resources are used and paid by whom, and all that jazz. Student hobby sites are left alone as an educational experience. My sites are doing a public service on behalf of my Univ. At the bottom of all this discussion is people are trading with someone else's property on a for-gain basis. Some products have specific restrictions about the for-gain part. This leads to two questions: is each product being sold versus money going for something else entirely, and, if clearly for-gain ought the business be using that material as capital. Lawyers may wish to step in here and carry the discussion to alt.nebulous.arguments. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 22:14:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:24:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:24:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!bora-bora.pa.dec.com!flaherty From: flaherty@pa.dec.com (Paul Flaherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 94 22:14:01 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bora-bora.pa.dec.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A small suggestion. Rather than having MSKermit binaries on the SimTel / Garbo ftp/CDROM sites, why not instead include a text file which points to the official kermit ftp site? True, this isn't as ideal as a binary, but it's much better than getting stale bits... -- -=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum." ->paulf@pa.dec.com | -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 23:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:10:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:10:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and > doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why > you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit. Are > you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money? What do you > gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software? > Sorry if I jumped down your throat or quoted you out of context -- it's not just you, it's the whole situation. To make amends, I will not prolong this silly discussion any further unless something truly outrageous happens. Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university status do not allow. If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy, please share it. Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 10:09:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!netcomsv!ccougar!len.wilson From: len.wilson@cougar.com Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <9409300409.005UJS00@cougar.com> References: <36e2og$4ad@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: The Colorado Cougar BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.13 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:09:46 -0600 Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe > Doupnik) writes: > The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. > The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific > browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but > the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much > attraction. That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works > copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions. This is the most ridiculous objection I've ever heard. I'm a shareware author and I'm tickled to death when I hear from someone who got my stuff from a CDROM. The more widely distributed it is, the happier I am. Hell, that's why I upload my work in the first place! I just ordered a set of Simtel CDROMs for my BBS and, if I'm not mistaken, one of those 10,000+ programs is mine. Neat huh? Len Wilson From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 09:03:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:03:45 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, Jeff Bangert (jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote: >Timo Salmi (ts@chyde.uwasa.fi) wrote: >: Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The >: files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read >: permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation >: please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not >: direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is >: distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there >: is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. >I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an >announcement. Could someone point me to it? comp.archives.msdos.announce and comp.archives.msdos.d From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:16:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:21:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:21:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:16:14 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >[...] >Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case >there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because >they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement >them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate >and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university >status do not allow. If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy, >please share it. Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives. I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems which do not have access to the Internet. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:11:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!rns!jrr From: jrr@rns.com Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:11:39 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution. [...] ^^^^ Is this true? From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:19:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!richard From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Subject: send and unlink (C-kermit/Unix)? Organization: Pegasus Information Systems Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:19:49 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes each file just after it is successfully transmitted. Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit? Thanks -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:42:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!richard From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Organization: Pegasus Information Systems Message-Id: References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:42:51 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? >> >Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the >answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. >A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process >exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. > [...] This is not correct. In general, Unix will not cause a hangup until the last process with the port open closes it. Test this by establising a connection via kermit, then attach another process to the port (to hold it open) and do a `kill -9' to the kermit process. Since this kill can't be caught it doesn't allow kermit to do any of its usual cleanup so it won't be able to disconnect the modem. It would be nice if kermit would support a cleaner way to do this. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:25:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:47:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:47:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gail.ripco.com!jgamble From: jgamble@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) Subject: Re: A Kermit library for MS-Windows Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago References: <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:25:07 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se>, Bo Kullmar wrote: >I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows >with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages >than 94 bytes. > >Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)). > >--Bo Kullmar > Not the response you want, but i absolutely do *not* recommend QuickLink. It comes free with Practical Peripherals and US Robotics modems. The kermit protocol choices are Kermit and Super Kermit. I tried connecting to a friend with it - he had QL, and i had MS-Kermit 3.10. Transfer was pathetic. I have my send and receive block sizess set to 512. No go, ~94 was all we got. Even worse, literally two out of three packets sent were failures. This is not a statistical comment, it really would fail two packets and then accecpt the third. Needless to say, this fail-two-take-one behaviour was not making us happy. Super Kermit protocol had identical behavior, except that it only failed every other packet. I guess that's what made it "Super". Ansi terminal emulation was not good... i tried a vi session via QL, and found that i had to hit ^L after dd commands. Good thing it was free, i'd hate to have to try to get a refund for it... -john From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 03:02:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 23:36:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 23:36:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: alb@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Alan Brushaber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Kermit for a Dec Alpha Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:02:15 -0400 Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI, USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for a Dec Alpha? Al - alb@umcc.umich.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 16:58:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:35:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:35:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!CS.Arizona.EDU!rainbow.cse.nau.edu!nauvax.ucc.nau.edu!tsp From: tsp@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu Subject: Kermit newbe needs help Message-Id: <30SEP94.16584086@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> Sender: news@rainbow.cse.nau.edu (Usenet News (system)) Nntp-Posting-Host: nauvax.ucc.nau.edu Organization: Northern Arizona University Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:58:40 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy all! I need some advice. The network that we are currently running supports a number of Macs and PCs. From the Macs, you can put files or get files. From the PCs, however, you can only get files. My theory is that if I can find a Kermit program, and put it into server mode, we should be able to send files to the PCs. Is my logic correct here? Any suggestions on which Kermit to run? ( or other solutions?) Please emaill dirrect asap! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 04:24:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:06:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:06:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!scff.chinalake.navy.mil!mbguest Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: USing Unix editors while under kermit Message-Id: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> From: mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil Date: 29 Sep 94 12:24:43 PST Organization: Naval Air Weapons Station Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not work in the applications . I have the book and have tried both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode. What should I do next ? The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some sort of anti-unix plot . -- Matt MBGUEST@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil MBGUEST@ins.infonet.net MBGUEST@delphi.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:06:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:01:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:01:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:06:03 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes: > What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > sane environment? > Depends, of course, on what you mean by ``sane.'' Here are a few points that might help you figure out what will work for you: A few controls almost always have to be prefixed: the Kermit start-of-packet character (usually Ctrl-A), Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) (often used for flow control). Some others that often need prefixing: DLE (Ctrl-P), NULL, DEL, and any special interrupt character (C-Kermit uses Ctrl-C by default). Generally, for every character you prefix, you should also prefix the same character with the high bit set, to avoid problems caused by parity mismatches. It does vary widely from system to system, though. Unless you're using a very simple connection that you understand well, at some point it comes down to just guessing. If you get it wrong, you'll get errors and if you're unlucky, you'll crash something. Good luck, - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:17:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:05:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:05:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Kermit Start-Of-Packet Characters Message-Id: Summary: What ones are used? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:17:04 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Besides the default Ctrl-A, what control codes are used by different Kermit implementations for their Start-Of-Packet characters? I've heard of Ctrl-B being used, and I doubt anyone uses CR, LF, XON, or XOFF, but it would be interesting to know which ones are used? Respond via e-mail if possible and I'll post a summary. - Tim Kientzle =========================================================================== kientzle@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:29:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:07:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:07:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Errors in Protocol Manual Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: na Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:29:14 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FWIW, I've found two minor errors in the Kermit Protocol Manual, 6th edition that I recently pulled from kermit.columbia.edu. Page numbers are from the PostScript version. Section 7.1, middle of page 44: The description of HCHECK claims that the header check is computed ``from the sum of the ASCII values of the SEQ, TYPE, LENX1, and LENX2 fields'' and then gives the formula: s = LEN + SEQ + TYPE + LENX1 + LENX2 I believe the formula is correct and the text is in error. (At least, my Kermit implementation communicates with C-Kermit, and it does include the LEN field in the header check.) Section 7.1, top of page 45: ``...the sender should be prepared to reconstruct the current packet at, say, half its size, ..., before retransmission'' In fact, this is a Bad Idea. If the timeout is due to a lost ACK, the receiver may not realize that the reconstructed packet (with the same sequence number!) has different data in it. The result can be a transfer in which data is duplicated or dropped without either side detecting the error. It seems unreasonable to require the receiver to compare each repeated packet against a stored copy of the packet, which I believe is the only certain way to protect against this problem and allow the sender to alter the size of a repeated packet. Just thought someone might be interested... - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:32:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:17:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:17:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Login script (was Re: kermit script) Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:32:27 GMT Lines: 146 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pedro Ferroni (pf2d+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: >2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter >password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. This is the script (comments added-- you will need to strip them out to use the script as-is) that I use to connect to my dial-up (Unix) shell account on Netcom. I was able to derive all the information I needed to write it from the command descriptions that are included in the help file that comes with MS-Kermit 3.13. Note that if you include your password in a login script, anyone who has access to your computer can 1) log into your account and 2) read your login script to get your password. An alternative script that doesn't include the password follows the first one. SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE [make input commands case sensitive] SET INPUT DEFAULT 30 [input and reinput commands timeout in 30 secs.] CLS [clear screen] CLEAR [clear input buffer] SET TERMINAL CLEAR [clear terminal buffer] :REDIAL [label] (dial phone number again) CLS [clear screen] OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13 [send control string to modem followed by CR (\13): cancel call waiting (*70), pause 2 seconds (,,), dial number] INPUT 15 BUSY [wait 15 secs. for modem to say BUSY] IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL [and go back to :REDIAL if it does] REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER} [check previous input, and wait 5 more secs. for modem to say NO CARRIER (note that { and } are quote characters)] IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY [and go to :BUSY if it did (or does)] REINPUT {CONNECT 2400} [wait 30 more secs. for modem to say CONNECT 2400 (substitute your own connect speed for 2400)] IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN [and go to :LOGIN if it does] [if your modem says anything other than CONNECT 2400 (eg. CONNECT 1200), REINPUT times out and control goes to :BUSY] NOTE: You may have to adjust the above input command timeouts a little, depending on your modem and phone service. :BUSY (hang up modem and redial phone number) HANGUP [drop DTR to hang up modem] CLEAR [clear input buffer] PAUSE 4 [wait 4 secs. (necessary for 3-way calling)] GOTO REDIAL [go back to :REDIAL and call again] :LOGIN (successful connect; start login) REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER} [check back to see if carrier dropped after CONNECT 2400 (it happens sometimes)] IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY [and go back to :BUSY if it did] NOTE: This section is dependent on how your host system prompts you, and on some portion of that prompting being always the same. Eg. my login prompt varies, but the last part of it is always 'login: ' REINPUT 15 {login: } [check back and wait 15 secs. for login prompt (note {} to preserve space after login: )] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT [and go to :CONT if it shows up] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't] :CONT (login prompt showed up - continue login) OUTPUT jhurwit\13 [send my userid (followed by CR)] INPUT Password: [wait 30 secs. for Password: prompt] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1 [and go to :CONT1 if it shows up] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't] :CONT1 (password prompt showed up - continue login) OUTPUT xxxxxx\13 [send my password (followed by CR)] NOTE: Including your password in a login script is a security risk! See introductory paragraph, and second script below. INPUT 20 {Last login:} [wait 20 secs. for Last Login: (indicates successful login on my system)] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2 [and go to :CONT2 if it shows up] REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login} [check back and wait 10 more secs. for Invalid Login (happens when the password file is too busy)] IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN [go back to :LOGIN if this happens (a login: prompt always follows Invalid Login)] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if anything other than Last Login: or Invalid Login shows up] :CONT2 (successful login) CONNECT [start terminal emulation] END [end of script] Here is the same script with a few lines added and one changed, that will prompt you for your password on each login. NOTE: If the variables %A and %B are being used in your MSKERMIT.INI, MSCUSTOM.INI, or in another script, choose another pair of variables from %A to %Z that aren't being used elsewhere. SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE SET INPUT DEFAULT 30 CLS CLEAR SET TERMINAL CLEAR :REASK (prompt for password again) ASKQ \%A {Input password: } [prompts you for your password, doesn't echo what you type in, puts it in variable %A] ASKQ \%B {Input password again: } [prompt again for comparison] IF EQUAL \%A \%B GOTO REDIAL [go to :REDIAL and continue login if same password was enterred both times] ECHO Passwords do not match. Re-enter password. [echo this to screen] GOTO REASK [go to :REASK] :REDIAL CLS OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13 INPUT 15 BUSY IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER} IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY REINPUT {CONNECT 2400} IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN :BUSY HANGUP CLEAR PAUSE 4 GOTO REDIAL :LOGIN REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER} IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY REINPUT 15 {login: } IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT GOTO BUSY :CONT OUTPUT jhurwit\13 INPUT 30 Password: IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1 GOTO BUSY :CONT1 OUTPUT \%A\13 [send you password (in variable %A) followed by CR] INPUT 20 {Last login:} IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2 REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login} IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN GOTO BUSY :CONT2 ASSIGN \%A [removes your password from memory (from ASSIGN \%B variables %A and %B] CONNECT END From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 20:54:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:37:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:37:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Message-Id: Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:54:27 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. You might not succeed. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. It's somewhat curious to see how provincial the different computer sub-communities can be. The PC/BBS community is no different. They use ZModem for file transfers and PC/ANSI terminal emulations, and don't really care about anything else. Other sub-communities use Kermit/VT320 or IND$FILE/3270. It all depends on where you grew up, I guess. ;-) >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners >of zmodem lobbying against it? Well, having developed several commercial terminal programs, I can perhaps suggest some of the factors that lead to this situation: * ZModem source code is available in the public domain. As a result, adding basic ZModem support is fairly simple, since a developer can cut and paste existing code. To the best of my knowledge, there is no good Kermit implementation available in the public domain. * ZModem and Kermit have different goals. ZModem's primary goal is to be fast; Kermit's primary goal is to work over any connection. As a result, most potential users of these protocols use ZModem, because it's fast. Sure, Kermit _can_ be fast, but that requires a lot of configuration that most users just don't want to mess with. * Many computer users use freely-available software for communications. The restrictions on C-Kermit/MS-Kermit distribution make this option unavailable to many users. * Finally, the legal status of the Kermit _protocol_ is ambiguous. I don't know for sure if protocols can or cannot be copyrighted or patented, but I _do_ know that the ZModem protocol is in the public domain, and I cannot get in trouble for implementing it. I don't know about Kermit. >Kermit deserves better. Kermit is indeed a very nice protocol. But a commitment to developing and supporting a protocol like Kermit involves a lot of considerations other than just the technical merits of the protocol. For many commercial developers, the other issues make it unreasonable to invest the time and energy required to implement Kermit well. >--Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 08:50:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 05:02:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 05:02:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!CERN.ch!surya1!fanchiot From: fanchiot@surya1.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Sender: news@dxnews.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 08:50:16 GMT Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that >that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the >folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating >systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through >it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. >It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free >distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That >will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems >which do not have access to the Internet. >Keith >-- >Keith Petersen >General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) >Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu >Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND Keith & Frank, Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed! Seems that the authors & sponsors of Kermit are swiming against the current this time... The argument that they cannot support versions of Kermit that are sold via CD-ROMS because they don't receive a dime seems like nonsense. THE SUPPORT SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR if fundings is what is needed (or the book revenues are not sufficient)! ELSE DON'T ALLOW IT IN FTP PLACES AT ALL. Then the people at Columbia won't have any trouble with support... there will be none to do in the future and they can do their research in peace. It is their work and their choice. (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the people don't have FTP access...) In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better and easier to distribute. Guess here is something else for RMS, once the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see a posting with the Subject: DON'T USE KERMIT... :-) Saludos, ...Sergio Fanchiotti Ps: Frank, what about the BBSs, they make a buck from people downloading programs from them... From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 09:38:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 06:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 06:42:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!cs.joensuu.fi!news.csc.fi!convex!salmi From: salmi@convex.csc.FI (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 1 Oct 1994 09:38:03 GMT Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing, Finland Lines: 62 Message-Id: <36jalr$li4@pobox.csc.fi> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Reply-To: ts@uwasa.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: convex.csc.fi Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. There is ample room and obviously sufficient interest for both issues. Besides whenever there is a thread one does not wish to follow it is relatively easy to block it out even by kill files or threaded newsreaders, so don't worry. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. It is not entirely surprising, because most BBS users want and need a fully-featured telecommunication program rather than terminal emulation. I won't say "just" terminal emulation, since there is nothing disparaging in this. Quite the contrary. As a terminal emulator for a professional and a semi-professional Kermit is second to none. But BBS users usually have different needs. For example I use different programs for different purposes: MsKermit: Calling by modem my Unix host Telnet: Direct ethernet connection to my Unix host Telix: Calling BBSes From what I have seen this is not an uncommon selection. >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners No lobbying, as you can see from the BBS success of programs like Telix (which incidentally just went commercial), TeleMate, Boyan, (in my view) slightly overrated Procomm+, and so on an on. The trend clearly seems to be away from freeware to shareware to shefware. Childhoods end? Please note that I am observing existing facts. I am not speaking for or against the trend in this. >of zmodem lobbying against it? Hardly. Extenal protocols like Zmodem are easy to come by and easy to use (after one has once managed to set it up) for Kermit terminal emulation. For example that is how I transfer my material between my home and office when connecting with a modem. >Kermit deserves better. Kermit is a very fine product for the purposes for which it is meant, but just like other alternatives is does not cover all bases. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Temporarily as salmi@convex.csc.fi USE EMAIL ADDRESS: ts@uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:00:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:00:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:00:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Kermit, SimTel, Garbo and CDROMs: A plea for calm. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:00:07 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36jq17$b28@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:381 comp.archives.msdos.d:8874 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As the gentle readers will know, Columbia, SimTel and Garbo have not managed to find a mutually acceptable solution that would enable retaining Kermit on SimTel and Garbo. Please, PLEASE, dear readers. This does not make any of us bad persons. I am distressed to hear that especially Frank has been flamed for his stance. That is *NOT* fair. We parties concerned are all dedicated persons, Kermit is a fine product, and we try to maintain good FTP sites in SimTel and Garbo. Please allow us the right to have these problems without pouncing on anyone. It is bad enough that we have come at the impasse. We do not want the extra pressured from flamage. Please state your views calmly and rationally. It is true that I wished that Frank would have a different policy about Kermit distribution on SimTel and Garbo CDROMs. But it is his right and privilege. I am not contesting that. In fact I am ready to defend his rights to having his own views, even if they diverge from my own preferences. A final thing for this message. Frank as been several times regretting the existence of comp.protocols.kermit.misc because of this. That is totally unnecessary! This discussion would have taken place with or without this particular newsgroup. Its original purpose STILL is intact. But we must be allowed to discuss this dilemma. If it bothers anybody, kill these subjects at your newsreaders. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:18:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:18:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:18:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NDIS Driver for Kermit Date: 1 Oct 1994 09:18:51 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber Account, Chicago's First Public-Access Internet! Lines: 7 Message-Id: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 (KSD)] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. Where can I find this? Joel cnt@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:17:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:20:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:17:27 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36jr1n$cpm@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article hagar@umich.edu writes: :I fully support Columbia University's rights on this. So do I. No one has been contesting Columbia's RIGHTS. They are unequivocal. That is not the problem we are facing together in here. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:52:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:51:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:51:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:52:02 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, >> Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: >> >>>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >>>without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >>>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >>>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. >> >> From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: >> >> * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING >> >> Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, >> services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. >> These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. >> >> TRANSMIT >> Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard >> a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next >> line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). >---------- > Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" >guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. > Joe D. Sure 'nuf is. But hey, that's what the guy asked for... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 02:04:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:55:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:55:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:04:03 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> >davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> : ... >> : Kermit says: >> : Scan code \5386 is defined as >> : Ascii char: ^J \10 >> >> This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. >> However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level >> 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. >> >Oops, silly me! You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key. >Sorry. >I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14. I'll >check with Joe. I also tried this when I saw the previous post. I only have one Enter key on my laptop keyboard; CTRL-Enter returns no scan code. Neither do a-z, A-Z, or CTRL-A-Z. Alt-A-Z, all the function keys, and a few others, do return scan codes. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 18:55:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:11:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:11:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Date: 1 Oct 1994 18:55:51 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36kbbn$fh2@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >Where can I find this? Just do what Joe D. recommended, and search for the string "dis_pkt9" in the file MSKERMIT.BWR (or, as it is called in the kermit directory on my PC: KERMIT.BWR). P.S. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 18:37:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:31:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:31:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 18:37:56 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 16 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel". So here's how I feel: Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit. People who have the audacity to tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description. Fans of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy. That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is best for Kermit. The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either. I don't want to see the Kermit effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 20:26:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:03:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:03:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: send and unlink (C-kermit/Unix)? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:26:31 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Foulk (richard@pegasus.com) wrote: >Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes >each file just after it is successfully transmitted. >Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit? You could probably write a little script to do this. Kermit sets a 'success' flag when it completes a file transfer successfully, which can be tested for with an 'if success ' line immediately following. So you could have 'if success del filename'. Consult the docs for more info on the C-Kermit script language. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 21:39:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:41:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:41:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!slip217.telnet1.QueensU.CA!dmurdoch From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:39:20 GMT Organization: Queen's University Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip217.telnet1.queensu.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are >people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests >that are in conflict with ours. Thanks for calling me honest and decent, but believe me: I have no financial interest in the distribution of Kermit. Duncan Murdoch From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:25:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:24:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:24:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!centre.univ-orleans.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:25:30 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 49 Message-Id: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ... >On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. >There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of >discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. >In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are >people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests >that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE >WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous >terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO >COMPLAIN. Okay, I'll bite. I don't have any financial interests and I do like your kermit. Here's what I have problems with: 1. You want your software to be free but you want to limit the distribution. How are you going to distribute it FOR FREE then? If you are looking for financial support, say so. I have NO objection with that. 2. You have negative views of those CD-ROM vendors. As a user I very much appreciate the availability of those CD-ROMs. 3. As an author of various free programs, I do spend my time writting the code (and that could be translated to thousand of dollars). I understand your views, you don't want a money- grabbing-scumbucket making money from your sweat. But all those CD-ROM vendors are NOT scums !!! What's the diff. between your program and other free/shareware available on SimTel ? 4. I understand you did all the work and you can set whatever terms you want. As a user, though, I have to warn you that your restriction can cause the death of your fine program. Thus the objections raise by the people here. 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. I hope you understand my view. You have a fine product, please don't kill it by restricting its distribution. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:47:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:47:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:47:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 00:47:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36kvvc$9u9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to > a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? > Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit > to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. > This is a point of view that I can't understand. Nobody is restricting your use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it. You can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want. But it's not enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it. The part I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and support the software in the first place. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:20:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:51:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!granite.ciw.edu!finger From: finger@granite.ciw.edu Subject: Re: Need Kermit for a Dec Alpha Message-Id: <02Oct94.002024.15112@granite.ciw.edu> Date: 02 Oct 94 00:20:24 GMT References: <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> Organization: Geophysical Laboratory Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> alb@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Alan Brushaber) writes: > > Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for >a Dec Alpha? > >Al - alb@umcc.umich.edu > Which OS? Dec Alpha's run at least 3. Larry W. Finger finger@granite.ciw.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:04:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:04:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!v074l54q From: v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Bryan T Hoch) Subject: Where can I get the latest version for Mac? Message-Id: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50AXP Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:59:00 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch. Bryan v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:06:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:12:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:06:28 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36i1m0$uh@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: : I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't : leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't : have. It was, however, most helpful. : The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a : few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same : setup. So my question still seems reasonable. Read the five lines beginning around line 285 of kermit.upd. I use the recommended minimum list for C-kermit to MS-Kermit and vice-versa. If it doesn't work for you, the next 63 lines describe what to do next. Sorry, but in the pc-to-mainframe world, things are not as standardized as we would like. For maximum throughput, a little experimentation is needed. If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput. That takes out all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:23:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:23:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:23:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:23:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36l21u$c7s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I > think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just > about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput. That takes out > all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents. > Which, by the way, is Kermit's default for prefixing, except that Kermit also prefixes 127 (DEL) and 255 (DEL+128), and this is also what you get when you SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:24:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:24:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get the latest version for Mac? Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:24:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36l24q$ca1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Bryan T Hoch) writes: > Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can > get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch. > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. directory kermit/test/text. FTP in text mode. Files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr. Use BinHex 4.0 to convert ckm190.hqx back to an application. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:08:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 22:27:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 22:27:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!infoserv.rug.ac.be!eduserv!rsamanya From: rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit keys Date: 2 Oct 1994 02:08:09 GMT Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: eduserv.rug.ac.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN is reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this behaviour? Please reply through email if possible. the stars be with you (or fall upon your head) ;D ranan samanya <\> the Indonesian Cita Ceria, under OS/2 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:56:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 23:02:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 23:02:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 20:56:32 MDT Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 53 Message-Id: <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR In <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really >boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the >general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work >we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, >and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software on CD-ROMS exploits a market niche - with an update every 6 or 12 months, and tens of thousands of shareware programs, and overhead limited to pressing CDs and running an FTP site, a CDROM collection can show a profit. Now, suppose you are an entrepreneur, and you want to market a CDROM that contains programs that, like shareware, are intended to be profitable, and additionally are supported in real time (not "send me fixes, and I'll include them in the next release," but "call if you have problems, and we'll help you out.") The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined (who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs, whether focus on support or on development.) Like it or not, those issues and the various contracts cost money. The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more difficult to find an exploitable niche. Maybe if a CDROM vendor was able to work out the license/profit issues with several hundred software developers who had, uhm, "senior" products (widely popular, stable, regularly updated, possibly supported) then the CDROM vendor could produce a profitable product (and vendors could reduce their distribution costs by not shipping stacks of floppies.) If a commercial multi-product CDROM with hundreds of supported products on board (perhaps with free stripped demos, and key-coded full binaries?) was available, how much would you pay for it? How many useful products would need to be on it before it was worthwhile buying rather than downloading? Those rhetorical questions may not make sense to readers of this forum, because if you have Usenet you are pretty likely to have FTP as well, and could get copies of the same (or newer software) almost for free (modulo your time, access provider bill, disk space, CPU cycles, etc.) But suppose you didn't want to pay for or have FTP access. Would there then be a market niche for a CDROM vendor to fill (exploit)? What would a generic license agreement for this look like? How can the legal costs and monetary negotiation be handled at low cost? (Looking at how actors and musicians are compensated for residual profits might be a good research starting point.) Anyone who can answer those questions and exploit any such niche might have an answer to this dilemma. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 03:52:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:05:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:05:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cat.csiro.au!grl From: grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) Subject: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Message-Id: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Queensland Centre for Advanced Technologies Distribution: comp Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 03:52:30 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a vt220 and now I need to change a few things, without access to a real vt220 anymore. The document is in french. The first thing I notice is that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? Thanks, Greg -- Greg Lehmann, CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Telephone: +61 7 212 4537 P.O. Box 883, Kenmore, QLD 4069, Australia. Facsimile: +61 7 212 4681 2643 Moggill Rd., Pinjarra Hills, QLD 4069. Internet: grl@brb.dmt.csiro.au From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:35:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:11:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:11:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 02:35:24 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: >I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there >is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel". So here's how I feel: >Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit. People who have the audacity to >tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description. Fans >of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy. >That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is >best for Kermit. The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if >they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include >Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either. I don't want to see the Kermit >effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload >and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument. With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual. A number of people have invested time and energy and resources into making Kermit what it is today. This isn't just about Simtel and Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI. And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with the Columbia people. Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the omnipotent GUI has emerged. So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going to just die and spell the end of an era. No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making a quality software product. But it seems like they need some help here, and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone. There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and simplistic arguments. I'd almost call it crosstalk, but that's a competitor, isn't it? :) Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia? It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 05:53:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 01:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 01:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit CD ROM? Date: 2 Oct 1994 05:53:54 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <36lhti$cp0@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this, but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities, scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator? From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 08:02:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 04:01:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 04:01:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:02:05 -0700 Lines: 56 Message-Id: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: What exactly is and is not permitted with Kermit? Keywords: legal profit freeware restrictions X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries. Here are some specific questions: 1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on to the user for free. Is this correct? 2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit, . The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service, the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage), and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit product. 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an agreement with Columbia? About what kind of demands are we talking here? If Columbia wanted one dollar for each CD, I could understand why the CD makers remove Kermit. If it were 0.1 cent, or a 100 dollar lump sum, It would be a little different. Right now I see a lot of discussion without having any idea about the order of magnitude of the problem. 4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license? 5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way, it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It is freer than public domain. Correct? 5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified program? 6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering files through modems using Kermit? These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law, the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification. Thanks, Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 09:52:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 06:44:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 06:44:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!drkwlf From: drkwlf@wam.umd.edu (Sir DarkWolf) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on Linux help Date: 2 Oct 1994 09:52:33 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rac5.wam.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc. I am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem to dial. I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then "set speed 9600". But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt. I have tried setting the dial timeout interval up through 120 sec, but this still doesn't solve it. I have also set the dial init-string to an init string that DOES work with crosstalk under dos. (AT B0 X4 &B1 &H1 &R2 E0 V1). Does anybody have an idea what I'm doing wrong, or could prompt me for some extra info that will help them solve this for me. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks -- ********Grand Master of the Cavalry for a.f.m-p******** * Sir DarkWolf * The dirty grey knight * * drkwlf@wam.umd.edu * with blue speckles. * ******************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:36:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:36:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:36:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit keys Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:36:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36mgi2$qj5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) writes: > I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's > editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN > is reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this > behaviour? > Of course. One of Kermit's strongest features is key mapping. In OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190), still in beta but not for long, each of these actions has a "verb" associated with it. You can assign the verb to any key you want. Thus you can move the rollback functions to the keys of your choice. Now I have no idea what "joe's editor" expects to see when you hit PgUp and PdDown, but whatever it is, you can program those keys to send those things. It's all in the documentation :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:52:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:52:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:52:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux help Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:52:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36mhf9$rbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> drkwlf@wam.umd.edu (Sir DarkWolf) writes: > I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc. I > am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem > to dial. I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem > sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then > "set speed 9600". But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it > can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was > exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt. > Which version of C-Kermit are you using? Please try version 5A(190), still in Beta. It has numerous low-level i/o improvements for Linux. If you still have trouble, might I recommend pages 50-67 of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". Yes, 17 pages on dialing, and with good reason -- there are more things to consider than are practical to list in a newsgroup message. You might also want to take a peek at the MODEMS AND DIALING and DIALING HINTS AND TIPS sections of the ckcker.bwr file. If you can't find the answer in any of these places, send email to me with details about your connection, versions, and exactly which commands you used to set up the call. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:06:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:06:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:06:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:06:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have > a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a > vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the > accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a > vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real > vt220 anymore. The document is in french. > It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented by at least the following character sets on the host: ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) Data General International (8-bit) Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) NeXT Multinational (8-bit) ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to think of it, it is very likely that when the file was transferred to the Sun from the PC originally, that no character-set translations were done at all, in which case it is still encoded in an IBM code page. Believe it or not, you can even tell C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET CP850 (or whatever) when talking to a Sun. Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun to "stty pass8". You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about VI, but I doubt it. > The first thing I notice is > that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is > in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? > There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:31:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:31:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:23:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 56 Message-Id: <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu writes: >Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo >situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software The understandable problem with this difficult discussion have been its excessive simplifications. There is one further facet that has not been brought up emphatically, so I will. Take an obviously popular university FTP site like Garbo. Contrary to what some users may have assumed, we certainly do not exist for the purpose of generating profits. In fact all the Garbo users are heavily subsidized by the tax-payers. Just like all the Internet users are, more or less, since this is net is much financed from public funds throughout the world. Every FTP user and everyone now reading this posting (you and I included!) is dipping into someone else's pocket! So are the SimTel users even if SimTel is compelled to be more self-sufficient than we are, and needs the proceeds from the CDROM in order to exist for you. Else it will cease to exist for us all. Since also Garbo happens to be a popular FTP site, there is a good chance that also we will be put an a CDROM. I do not want to forbid that possibility to retain all possible programs. I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many. HERE IS THE POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide to the net. Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also to the FTP site maintainers. That extra work taxes our resources and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the motivation of FTP site maintainers. (Just like this unfortunately taxes Frank's capacity). Kermit is by far not the only such case this season. Nor is a single university (Columbia) responsible for what is happening in general. I am not trying to say that, in case someone misunderstands. In broad terms all this exemplifies the current 'to be or not to be' status of the Internet community. The ideals and the financial realities are clashing more and more, as every user with sufficient experience on Usenet will have gathered. Sigh! This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc subject. Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for discussing the broader issue and its imlications. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:32:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:41:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:41:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:32:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 63 Message-Id: <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36kvvc$9u9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : In article <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi : Rahardjo) writes: : > 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to : > a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? : > Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit : > to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. : > : This is a point of view that I can't understand. Nobody is restricting your : use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it. You : can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want. What about those people who don't have access to FTP? Do you also send floppy disks for FREE? : But it's not : enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must : also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it. You are missing the point. You are RESTRICTING it to 3rd party, which is actually helping you to distribute kermit. You are restricting the distribution. You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat, where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your compassion too? Nobody is forcing me to buy their CDs. I am willingly paid for the CD, and I KNOW all the programs are available for FREE. : The part : I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not : extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and : support the software in the first place. The problem I have is you are making the distribution convoluted. If I were to give somebody a copy of kermit on a disk and I charge him/her the price of a disk, you are going to accuse me of selling kermit. How about if somebody put your kermit in a paid-BBS ? Are you going to get the BBS sysop too? Are you going to remove kermit from Linux CDs ??? In a way, I am also helping you guys to distribute kermit and making it popular. In some cases I also helping people to configure it (in a way supporting it). Am I getting paid for it ? No. It's your program, you can do whatever you want. But if it makes it difficult for us to distribute it ... I won't do it. I salute those people who design, wrote, documented, and support the software. But you are missing one more group, people who distribute the software. To put it bluntly, you have a really good software but you want to keep it to yourself, or mildly, you want to be the central distribution. Fine. My 2 cents. : - Frank -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:57:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:57:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:57:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:57:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 154 Message-Id: <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and > CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from > Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is > permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened > not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries. > OK, I'll give it a shot, but with all the standard disclaimers, like you see at the bottom of car-leasing commercials :-) > 1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include > the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge > for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit > part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on > to the user for free. Is this correct? > This has been our policy from the beginning, but it is clearly not a good one for anybody but the commercial software makers. Why? . Columbia gets no income. . Real Kermit software loses "market share". . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give Kermit a bad name. . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using Kermit in . Who is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package has not affected their sales? . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of these products. Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia." It's another case of "they get the money, we get the extra work", AND the bad rep in the newsgroups and the trade press to boot. But to answer your question: no, there is nothing to stop anybody from writing a Kermit implementation, no matter how minimal or buggy, without asking permission from Columbia. They cannot, however, use or even look at our copyrighted source code without our permission. > 2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a > diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the > files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for > the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit, > .. The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service, > the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage), > and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to > the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit > product. > I'm not going to answer this one directly. Everybody looks for loopholes to exploit. Here is what we WANT to happen: if you use MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit enough to need to know anything about it, purchase the manual. If you don't do that, you waste your time and ours, and the net's. You run up bigger phone bills that you would have if you had read the manual, etc etc, and, yes, buying the manual helps keep the Kermit effort alive. > 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly > that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an > agreement with Columbia? > More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright notice was overlooked. > About what kind of demands are we talking here? > That's between us and the CD maker or any other commercial establishment that wants to redistribute our software. The negotiations are private. > 4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous > volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would > Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license? > First let me say that we have always gone out of our way to publicly acknowledge all contributed code and bug fixes, and publicly thank and praise the contributors. I believe, but I can't swear, that everybody who makes such contributions understands that they are going into copyrighted software. Nobody has ever complained about this. This is a system that works -- the contributors get the features and fixes they want, and these get supported and carried forward into new releases, and lots of other people benefit at the same time. If you're asking me, do I make them sign a waiver, no I do not. Can we get real here for a minute? This used to be a collegial, cooperative, worldwide effort, unhampered by pointless legalisms, from which *everybody* benefitted -- even significant numbers of entrepreneurs after they entered into agreements with us. It even used to be... fun. Kermit has played a major role in many humanitarian causes -- cancer and AIDS research, Bosnian war relief, ozone layer research in Antarctica, space exploration, etc etc, where the cost of any other solution would have been prohibitive -- it has saved lives, promoted communication in parts of the world that could not have accomplished it any other way, helped to spread democracy (more about this next month), and much more. On a more mundane level, I would venture to say that it has saved universities, governments, and other cash-poor institutions billions of dollars, which ultimately would have come out of your pocket in taxes or tuition. Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business? Now you want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants? > 5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain > to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way, > it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It > is freer than public domain. Correct? > In a sense, it is. The copyright notice prevents commercial enterprises from distributing our software without our permission. It places no restrictions on anybody's use of the software, only the redistribution of it by commercial enterprises. > 5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone > take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified > program? > Yes. And if you were still using your own copy of it, they could take you to court. There was a case about 15 years ago where a university had to pay a big settlement in court because an entrepeneur took their public-domain code, which they had written themselves for their own use, slapped his copyright on it, and then sued them for using it. Sorry, I can't recall the name or docket-number of the case, but there really was a case like this. > 6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use > the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering > files through modems using Kermit? > Yes, on your computer. But you can't give out copies of our software to your customers without our permission. Obviously, however, if you were a very rich and prominent business, it might be in your interest to help support our continued work -- if we went under, then so could you. > These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives > and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law, > the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification. > I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people seem to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?" than "how can I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use it more effectively?". If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that money with us. If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:10:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:10:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36mm0n$24d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu writes: > >Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo > >situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software > etc etc... > Yes, Timo. We are living in times when the Internet is changing from a publicly sponsored medium for the free exchange of "ideas" (in the broadest sense) to a commodity exchange. This is one of the growing pains. To compound the problem, most newcomers to the Internet view it as a giant bag of free goodies and have no conception of the amount of work that went into establishing the foundations of the Internet, and all the software and other resources that lay at their fingertips. The idea is to take what you can get and run, and pay no thought to tomorrow. > I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the > Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many. HERE IS THE > POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect > the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide > to the net. Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also > to the FTP site maintainers. That extra work taxes our resources > and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the > motivation of FTP site maintainers. (Just like this unfortunately > taxes Frank's capacity). > Actually, this new trend is only the expected and logical outcome of the trend that directly preceded it -- the commercialization of the net by turning ftp archive sites into CD-ROM masters. The net was not designed for that. Now it seems we all have to do more work, and as Timo observes, that work must be paid for. Soon there will be bureaucracies, regulating agencies, waivers, loyalty oaths, and taxes (in one form or another) to pay for them. Who will benefit? The lawyers and investors. > Sigh! This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc > subject. Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for > discussing the broader issue and its imlications. > Ha ha, good luck, Timo! It took me *months* to get this newsgroup established, and boy am I glad I did! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:16:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:16:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:16:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:16:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 87 Message-Id: <36mmc6$2ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> >grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > >> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have >> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a >> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the >> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a >> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real >> vt220 anymore. The document is in french. >> >It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented >by at least the following character sets on the host: > > ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) > The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) > ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) > DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) > Data General International (8-bit) > Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) > NeXT Multinational (8-bit) > > ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell >it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to This part is correct. Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable. There was no file transfer. So don't worry about the IBM code pages. > >Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make >sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell >C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun >to "stty pass8". This is accurate. >You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the >Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about >VI, but I doubt it. Again. Don't worry about this. You are using Word Perfect as your editor. >> The first thing I notice is >> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is >> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? >> >There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, >now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on >kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. > >- Frank Just set the character set to an appropriate one. And us the Updates command to view the CKERMIT.INF file. Look up the Compose command which will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters. Have a nice day. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:28:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:28:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:28:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:28:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36mn2g$3d3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat, > where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your > compassion too? > Not all all. Timo and Keith are good guys. But our interests in this matter our diametrically opposed. Let me ONCE AGAIN very briefly say: CDROMs are perfect for distributing shareware. I praise Timo, Keith, Walnut Creek, and everybody who distributes shareware on CDROMs or any other way. CDROMs are also good for *true* freeeware, i.e. software whose development and maintenance does not need to be supported in any way, but in that case you get what you pay for. CDROMs, however, are not good for distributing software that does not fall into these categories. Kermit is such software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:25:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:50:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:50:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!billmaly From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SLOW downloads Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:25:45 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! -- Bill Maly billmaly@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:49:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:55:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:55:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:49:56 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36mobk$7t0@blackice.winternet.com> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com>, jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) writes: : > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : > : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : > : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > : > character? : > : > : > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... : > : > That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are : > Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on : > standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. : > : > JamesS : ---------- : Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it : from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. : Joe D. Yes, but there are different scan codes along with the ascii code. You differentiate between the enter key and ctrl-M, the duplicate keys on the keypad and the keyboard, etc. All I am interested in is differentiating these keys also. (I have source code if you want it!) JamesS From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 17:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 13:18:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 13:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SLOW downloads Date: 2 Oct 1994 17:18:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 152 Message-Id: <36mq0d$6f9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) writes: > I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my > University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I > have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time > is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this > normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! > > Oh good, we have come full circle. I now reproduce my very first posting to this newsgroup. Ah, memories... To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip. . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z. VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 18:17:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 14:17:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 14:17:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Policy, final word Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:17:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36mtfq$aak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Signing off from this discussion: a. Apologies to anyone I have offended, and to anyone else who might have been offended by anything that has passed through this newsgroup even if it wasn't offensive. b. If you want to use Kermit softwre, go ahead and use it. Same as always. No change. c. If you want to *sell* Kermit software, get in touch with us and we'll talk about it. Same as always, no change. (Lest I have misspoken again, then let me rephrase: If you want to sell an object or other entity that has Kermit software engraved, embedded, inscribed, or otherwise adhering to it or imprinted upon its molecular structure, in a fashion that is retrievable or usable by your customers or clients, also please consult with us first.) d. If all you want is an argument, there is a great Monty Python skit I can recommend ... :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 19:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:12:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:12:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:00:45 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36n00t$pp5@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Denis McKeon (galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu) wrote: : The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters : are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined : (who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs, : whether focus on support or on development.) Like it or not, : those issues and the various contracts cost money. : The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more : difficult to find an exploitable niche. I don't think we need to worry about what would happen to the PD/shareware CD-ROM vendors if "everything like Kermit" had similar distribution policies. There simply isn't that much stuff out there that is high quality, free, complex enough to require substantial support, and well supported, which is my definition of "like Kermit." And even if there was, it's the developers' call to make. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 18:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:22:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:22:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: SLOW downloads Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:40:51 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu>, WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote: >I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my >University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I >have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time >is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this >normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! o If the file is not already compressed, compress it. o Use (reasonably) long packets-- 1K-2K works well. o Use sliding windows (3-5 usually works well). o Unprefix as many control characters as you can (this requires experimentation, but in general you need to prefix OS-sensitive characters such as ^C (DOS and Unix), ^Z (Unix), and also ^M (CR), ^J (LF), ^A (start of packet), etc). o Get the latest Kermit software; older versions don't support these features. o Read the help files and spend some time experimenting to find out how to make and optimize these settings. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 19:12:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:31:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:31:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:12:33 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36n0n1$4uo@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :In article <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) :writes: :> 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly :> that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an :> agreement with Columbia? :> :More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright :notice was overlooked. Exactly. That is true. And, as you know, as responsible net citizens we remedied the situation at our end immediately when we realized the conditions. I am *NOT* objecting, but the sadly funny part is that the more responsibly one acts the more often one gets bitten. I am not changing that, though. :Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business? Now you :want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants? Frank, on the lighter side of things. Do you realize that I *AM* an accountant. Perhaps it explains everything :-). All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 22:34:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:45:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:45:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cat.csiro.au!grl From: grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Message-Id: <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Queensland Centre for Advanced Technologies References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36mmc6$2ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 22:34:46 GMT Lines: 81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> >>grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: >> >>> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have >>> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a >>> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the >>> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a >>> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real >>> vt220 anymore. The document is in french. >>> >>It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented >>by at least the following character sets on the host: >> >> ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) >> The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) >> ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) >> DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) >> Data General International (8-bit) >> Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) >> NeXT Multinational (8-bit) >> >> ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell >>it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to >This part is correct. Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable. >There was no file transfer. So don't worry about the IBM code pages. I did SET TERM CHAR FRENCH SET TERM BYTE 8 and checked with show term after starting kermit >>Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make >>sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell >>C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun >>to "stty pass8". >This is accurate. on the sun (sunos 4.1.3) I did an (which was something I hadn't tried before) stty pass8 >>You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the >>Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about >>VI, but I doubt it. >Again. Don't worry about this. You are using Word Perfect as your editor. >>> The first thing I notice is >>> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is >>> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? >>> >>There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, >>now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on >>kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. I only got the last one from there about 1 week ago. Still, after all these suggestions, the accents are wrong and there is no line graphics box around the WordPerfect and Version 5.1 message at startup. Instead there are J's and K's etc. >Just set the character set to an appropriate one. And us the Updates >command to view the CKERMIT.INF file. Look up the Compose command which >will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters. Thanks for the help so far but have you any other ideas on what to try? -- Greg Lehmann, CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Telephone: +61 7 212 4537 P.O. Box 883, Kenmore, QLD 4069, Australia. Facsimile: +61 7 212 4681 2643 Moggill Rd., Pinjarra Hills, QLD 4069. Internet: grl@brb.dmt.csiro.au From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 23:11:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 23:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36nena$sk1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > I did: > > SET TERM CHAR FRENCH > SET TERM BYTE 8 > But how do you know the character-set is "french"? How do you know it is not Latin-1, or DEC-MCS, or one of the others? Note that "french" is a 7-bit set, so you don't need to SET TERM BYTE 8 in order to use it. Ditto for "stty pass8" on the Sun. Why don't we take this offline -- please send me a message containing: . The exact Kermit version, e.g. 5A(190) Beta.23 18 Sep 94. . The exact sequence of commands you issued. . A uuencoded piece of the file in question so I can figure out which character-set it is encoded in. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 23:54:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.net!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:54:37 -0400 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36nh7t$gbj@mercury.interpath.net> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that if the principals in this brouhaha can agree to respect each other's positions, all the rest of us should do likewise. As far as folks without ftp access, there's usually a free BBS around with it. Or email ftp. Or break down and buy a disk from Columbia. It's not like there's a new version out three times a year. My .02; you mileage may vary.... Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 02:52:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:12:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 03 Oct 1994 02:52:31 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: fozz@xmission.com's message of 29 Sep 1994 09:04:00 -0600 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. It's not even that hard. Just install a packet driver. Put it at 0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that interrupt). So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300". Then set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command -- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh, you're up. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 08:04:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 04:53:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 04:53:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Date: 3 Oct 94 08:04:37 GMT References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 58 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > . Columbia gets no income. > . Real Kermit software loses "market share". > . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give > Kermit a bad name. > . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the > postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using > Kermit in . Who > is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package > has not affected their sales? > . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of > these products. Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell > their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia." Let I start with saying that I don't understand this argument. Frank stated that they have to distribute copies to het some income. Still he allows the software on FTP and also maintains the claim that the software is free, also fine. CDROM whould make the distribution too broad without generating income; also fine. Now if I get Kermit from the FTP archive at Columbia and put it on a local BBS (which is permitted as far as I understood the copyright). Every copy from the BBS doesn't generate any income. This is also the case if I give a copy to a friend (and he will pass a copy to his friends because kermit is great!). The distribution as it is now is a pyramid sceme, generating a lot of copies without income for Columbia. Frank explicity prohibited distribution on CDROM with the argument that it will not generate income. If that is the goal then excluding CDROM is not enough to accomplish that. The only way to limit copying without income is: a) You either get it directly from an FTP site on internet. b) Or you get it by mail order from Columbia. So no more copying for friends or distribution through BBSses - this will surely limit the number of copies (and will make it almost impossible in Europe to get it unless you are connected to Internet or know exactly where to write to to order it). But the argument I hear is that the distribution policy is not changed so you will allow the generation of copies without income as long as it is not through CDROM - this is the part I don't understand. Do CDROMs contribute so much to the distribution (and use!) of kermit that it is worthwhile to make an exception (and make it difficult for us all)? I assume you'll say yes but frankly I have my doubts. All I can say is that I came to know kermit trough Garbo; Timo has a lot of tools for kermit on his system (some of which he created himself) and that's what caught my attention. We are now considering use of Kermit in a large project (which we will negotiate with Columbia and pay for of couse) so maybe the copy of your software on Garbo will pay off in the end. Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 09:40:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 05:51:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 05:51:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Date: 3 Oct 1994 02:40:43 -0700 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu> <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: 9024 divided by number of windows? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window >slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack. Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)? The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes total, to be divided between the windows. tardis% kermit C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>set window 31 Adjusting receive packet-length to 286 for 31 window slots C-Kermit>quit On a related subject, I have found that when going through TYMNET, I can get full speed by setting the number of window slots to anything above 1. In particular, when downloading files from a Sun UNIX host to my Amiga at home, SET WINDOW 2 is sufficient to keep the receive light flashing continuously. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations (Vnet 854) 2560 N 1st St, MS-F2, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still up!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:08:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:08:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:08:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:08:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36os8l$7mn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > > Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just > load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? correctly, upon > knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go > into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. > > It's not even that hard. Just install a packet driver. Put it at > 0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that > interrupt). So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300". Then > set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command > -- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh, > you're up. > Thanks, Russ. And as Joe pointed, we are absolutely not in the business of recommending hardware. But... It migh be a useful exercise if those of you who are using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP stack over a network board (not a serial port thru SLIP) drop a note to kermit@columbia.edu listing: PC hardware and OS and OS version Network board make and model Netword board driver(s) and version(s) so we can compile a list of combinations that are known to work. While this list will not comprise any kind of recommendation, it will still be useful. And of course if you have a board and/or driver that does not work with Kermit, let us know too. We'll try to help you get it going, and if the combination is hopeless (we don't know of any like this), that's useful information too. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:15:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:15:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:15:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:15:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <36oslj$ako@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes: > In article <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > >Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window > >slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack. > Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)? > The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes > total, to be divided between the windows. > Not at all. As Joe says, you can have 31 x 9024 packets in the pipe at once. In the new versions (3.14 and 5A(190)), 32 x 9024. Obviously, you need the memory to hold all these packet buffers. 32 x 9024 = 288768 bytes. In MS-DOS Kermit, that means free physical conventional memory. (Yes, we considered putting packet buffers "high", but it turns out to be a bad idea for performance reasons.) In C-Kermit, you might have to give a SET BUFFERS command first, to allocate the buffer memory. This might seem silly to you, but there is a good reason for it -- see the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:15:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:16:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:16:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS/V (Kanji Terminal Emulation) Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:15:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <36p06e$nbp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kanji Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 20 Sep 1994, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote: > Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the > IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 > beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost > unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis > coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei > Telecom. > I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for DOS/V might or might not be in it. It will be in version 3.14 when it is announced (hopefully very soon). I sent your question to the person who wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this response: "Sorry for the delay. "I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have no friends who are using that DataBase. "However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set. This is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to designate the Swedish character set." So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom to fix their character-set designating escape sequence. If this is not the correct answer, let me know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:14:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:21:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:21:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent kermit servers Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 03 Oct 1994 13:14:37 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at all times? Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the and stop the remote server? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:21:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:30:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:30:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Undocumented kermit server commands? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 03 Oct 1994 13:21:55 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a command "S". I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand "S". Am I right? Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names (numbers?). I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources! -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:48:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:48:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:48:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent kermit servers Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote > ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply > respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at > all times? > Yes, it should be. Read the release notes (.upd files) for the forthcoming new versions of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM mainframe Kermit. > Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit > server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a > virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server > commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the > and stop the remote server? > How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters and a trashed Kermit packet? - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:50:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands? Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:50:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <36p27m$pmf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find > docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. > For now, it's still in Info-Kermit Digest V 11 # 1, 4 Jan 1990, available on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file mail.90a. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:48:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:48:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:47:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:48:47 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Frank, I've been a quiet viewer of this discussion. You have my upmost respect and admiration for Kermit, for making yourself available (which took more guts than I can ever imagine having), for sticking to your guns. I'm not much of a prayer but you have my prayers, Frank. Kermit has saved me more times than I can count. Whenever my hard drive decides not to work, and I need to get online to finish up a project (or to read news, answer mail), I pop in my emergency bootup-Kermit diskette. Nothing else is as reliable as Kermit. Nothing else is as sturdy, dependable and nearly as marvelous as Kermit. I've advocated its use by local BBS sysops so that they can impliment the "real" Kermit. Most of them have purchased the manuals from the local Barnes & Noble so that they could make the most out of it. And seeing the dedication of Frank to following his ideals, I will finally (finally!) purchase the documentation, as I'm at the point where the things I want to do I simply *can't* do without knowing more of what I'm doing :-) You have my blessings, Frank, and the Kermit development team. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - Discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:32:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:41:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:41:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!KremlSun!kiae!relcom!newsserv From: Nicolay V. Danilov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I get SUPER KERMIT protocol description ? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 17:32:32 +0400 Distribution: world Organization: Private Person Message-Id: Sender: news-service@kiae.su Reply-To: isdltd@isdltd.msk.ru X-Return-Path: kiae!isdltd!isdltd.msk.ru!isdltd Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a SUPER KERMIT protocol, used in Sprint Networks desctiption and/or C source code. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:25:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:40:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@tmr.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:25:08 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 28 Sender: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com Message-Id: <36pb94$cbf@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Reply-To: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Sergio Fanchiotti wrote: :Keith & Frank, : : : Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time : it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version : of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). Actually a terminal emulator which could easily be expanded to cover a number of protocols would be nice, just as ghostscript can include target formats. I think the obvious choices are Kermit, Xmodem (for historical reasons), and zmodem. The question is can someone come up with a better file transfer protocol and include that, thus eventually driving out the lesser protocols eventually? As I see it: 1. fast, performance like zmodem. 2. ability to continue if connections are lost (again like zmodem). 3. bidirectional, to use links better. Maybe we're reinventing IP? Anyway, I think the time has come, now that the distribution of Kermit has been officially limited. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:36:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:15:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:15:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:36:03 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: :In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET :As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture :if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is :wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a :public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support :behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase :the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us :for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work :on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change :the way we get income; I hope not. I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer people have the software completely eludes me. My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit motive. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:41:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:53:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:53:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:41:26 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 9 Message-Id: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 18:16:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:16:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:16:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:16:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. > Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) > Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. > I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. In other words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to bankroll the operation out of your pocket. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 17:17:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:23:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:22:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!Snake.mcs.kent.edu!rothstei From: rothstei@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Michael Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 3 Oct 1994 17:17:31 GMT Organization: Kent State University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <36pebb$7v1@ns.mcs.kent.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.mcs.kent.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: (snip, snip) }I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really }boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the }general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work }we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, }and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. } }Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result }of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction }of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would }disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same }thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get }for a third of a penny. Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they }pester us to death with questions that are already answered there. Work }grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it. }Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free, }so we won! Yay! But then technology changes, operating systems change, }communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the }tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who }care so much about quality and support. } }I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and }let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do, } }- Frank Here is a different idea: make Kermit available the way it was before, but **only** answer tech questions on a 900 line; this would enable you to get the funds you need for tech support, and you could always slip in a plug for the documentation instead of the hold muzak. You might argue that overseas people don't have access to the 900 line, which is true, but I think overseas people have to think twice before calling in for support except for emergencies: calls from overseas are ***real***expensive***. -- Michael Rothstein (Kent State U)| Any similarity between Kent State's opinions (rothstei@mcs.kent.edu) | and my opinions is strictly coincidential. The only way to tell you're sane is with a certificate from the insane asylum. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 18:33:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:33:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:33:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:33:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com>, Bill Davidsen wrote: >In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >:In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET > >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > There is a huge difference. The shareware premise starts out by saying that everybody that uses the software must pay money. Some do and most don't but you don't chase people because it doesn't pay too. Kermit says, the software is free provided you receive it from some electronic means: ftp, gopher, www, bbs, ... Kermit may not be distributed by anyone that charges money for physical media or that includes kermit as part of a larger package WITHOUT PERMISSION. In other words, shareware libraries via mail; operating systems; Internet access packages; third party terminal emulators or BBS programs. Kermit is like your local museum or zoo which asks for a donation but will let you in if you choose not to pay one (except for those special exhibits). Shareware MUST be paid for, otherwise, you are breaking the law. How many people in this group are using Unregistered versions of DSZ, or ZOC, or Telix, or ...? If you continue, using them without registering you break the law. Will you be caught, not likely. But you are still guilty. Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, we would like you to order the manual. It reduces the need for technical support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it. But do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else. Can we get onto something else? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:04:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:17:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410032004.AA20257@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:04:20 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could be downloaded. This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to take full advantage of the software. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 21:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:54:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 21:12:25 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ac852.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way : shareware works. Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, etc., without paying a penny. I wouldn't do this with shareware. Unless I pay, it is against the law. Shareware is not free. Besides, the distribution decision is the developers' call to make. Every possible argument for a change of policy has already been presented. Anything more is just hassle. Please, thank them or leave them alone. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:04:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 18:04:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 18:04:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:04:52 GMT Expires: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 74 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual. A >number of people have invested time and energy and resources into >making Kermit what it is today. I've stayed out of this (publicly) as long as I can. I'm sorry to be fueling a discussion that I wish would simply die out... Kermit is primarily the work of a *very* small number of people, helped along to a *very* small amount of work contributed by a large number of people. Besides the group at Columbia, I would guess that there are perhaps 10 people in the world who have contributed a quantity of work that should be considered "substantial" in comparison with what has been done at Columbia. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone here, and I am speaking from experience. I have been contributing to the C-Kermit effort for several years now. On a few occasions, when my schedule and interest permitted, I have contributed a considerable amount of work. But I have no delusions as the the magnitude of my contribution compared to the overall kermit effort - or even the overall C-Kermit effort. I certainly don't presume to attempt to tell Frank how kermit can or can not be distributed because of my contribution. >This isn't just about Simtel and >Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some >vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI. Well, is this supposed to be a negative point? My experience has been that virtually all of these are distributing versions of kermit that are so old they are very limited in usefulness, and are virtually certain to generate loads of requests to Columbia for help - exactly what Frank has been saying they want to stop. >And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do >dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by >maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name >two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to >keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with >the Columbia people. There are real issues here, and Frank has already discussed them. >Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering >something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the >omnipotent GUI has emerged. So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that >documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going >to just die and spell the end of an era. This is pure opinion. I don't agree. >No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making >a quality software product. So don't do it. >But it seems like they need some help here, >and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone. >There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and >every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better >serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and >simplistic arguments. Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. >Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia? >It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone. Have you ever worked in a University environment? I have, and I can tell you that just because something "seems worthwhile" doesn't mean it will be funded by the University. Please, give Frank credit for a little bit of intelligence in this area. I'm quite sure that he has explored the possibility of getting other kinds of funding. I suspect that he still does this on a regular basis. Just because he doesn't post the details for public discussion doesn't mean he isn't doing it. jw From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:01:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:58:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:58:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:01:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >:As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture >:if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is >:wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a >:public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support >:behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase >:the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us >:for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work >:on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change >:the way we get income; I hope not. > >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. It's a different way of acheiving the same goals. Except that Frank (and the Kermit team)'s motives aren't profit oriented - simply enough to support the project and keep it going. warning: I am going to use gross generalizations. Frank 'n co. have a limited staff. By keeping the distribution to folks with ftp access and BBS people free, they are distributing it to people who, generally, have a greater understanding of how the computer works and how to set things up. When people buy it with the manual, they have all of the answers that they need. HOWEVER - when it is distributed on CD-ROMS - a *lot* of people will get it. People who often have had their computers set up, who have a less extensive knowledge of computers. I know this is true at least *some* of the time, because of the kinds of questions I've had to answer about my Deskmate .snd conversion program from people who found it on CD-ROM's, versus those who found it on BBS's, versus those who found it on the Internet. The CD_ROM people's questions were questions about the simple stuff (relatively speaking) The BBS people's questions were about more complex things. And the Internet people seemed to be asking questions that were beyond my knowledge. I could answer most, but some I had to refer to other people, newsgroups, etc. I don't mind answering questions at all about it, but with a more general purpose program like Kermit (more general than my sound converter), there will be thousands more questions. What is wrong with Frank and co. saying: "Look... copy it to whom you wish. Spread it around. But a CD-ROM will simply be a case where its spread around too much. We just don't have the support staff." If they had the money, they could support the extra work. But they don't. People who search for Kermit, know what they want it for, will find it, and eventually (like myself, shortly) buy the manual. But people who see it as one program of thousands aren't as likely to, as it won't be given the same weight in their minds. Keep up the good work, Frank. Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 22:52:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:34:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:34:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 22:52:20 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 per year. That's just a starting point. I'm sure Columbia would have more than 1,000 paying customers for such a well-supported product as Kermit - if it was continually updated and improved. I see no reason why this funding model should not have the potential to bring in over $500,000 per year. I feel confident that Columbia would have no trouble getting releases from the authors of the various flavors of Kermit if they stressed that this money will be used for product support and improving the product through future development. With that kind of income Columbia could hire programmers to write new flavors of Kermit and to improve the already exiting flavors. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 00:56:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:56:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:56:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 00:56:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > >Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, ... > It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware. And various other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and so on. Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational and legal constraints under which we operate. I will only say that I have not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately, that I did not already think of myself years ago. And I think this discussion is scaring the (substitute appropriate garment) off lots of people in universities and elsewhere -- needlessly. Don't worry people, we Kermit folks have been constant and faithful to you all these years, and the voices in the newsgroups don't speak for us. We have no intention of abandoning our loyal "market niche" to chase after the fast buck, no matter how hard some people -- and economic forces themselves -- push us to do it. Your support and words of encouragement are appreciated. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 03:13:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:16:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:16:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 03:13:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: : Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : : I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way : : shareware works. : Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. : I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the : standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, : etc., without paying a penny. Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's group when they call the Kermit's group. This is one of the arguments used to limit the distribution, people that don't have manuals call them. This I don't undertand, the difference between CD-ROM distribution and people like you an me distributing copies of kermit. (money aside, CD-ROM vendors and myself have the effects.) One argument that I do understand, is that the Kermit's developer doesnot like CD-ROM vendors putting a copy of kermit in their CDs, without permission. I do understand their view. IMHO, it's a valid reason. You know, if the software and book are really good, people will buy the book. Just like "perl + camel book", "Tk and Tcl + Oustherhout's book". You don't have to beg people to buy it :-) Good luck. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 03:26:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:35:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:35:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 4 Oct 1994 03:26:49 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 41 Message-Id: <36qi1p$k5p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: : > Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. : > Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) : > Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. : > : I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU : Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public : domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* : less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? Why are there a number of C compilers ? editors ? mail processors? X windows ? etc. There are a number of reasons; technical and non-technical. What GNU Kermit (if such beast exists) get *me* that I don't already get from Columbia ? A complete snap-shot of archieve site *including* kermit in a CD. To me as a user, it is a convenience. But I am just one measly user, you can just ignore me. : To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, : and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. Are you sure you need full-time people to make it success ? How about Linux ? perl ? tcl ? ... and many others. : In other : words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing : operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to : bankroll the operation out of your pocket. You are underestimating the power of collaboration of volunteers. Good luck. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 04:41:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cbs.ksu.ksu.edu!not-for-mail From: mcatlin@ksu.ksu.edu (Micah Catlin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit? Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:41:13 -0500 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 16 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36qmd9$knk@cbs.ksu.ksu.edu> References: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> <36bv4p$ps8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cbs.ksu.ksu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> rdangel@moose.uvm.edu >(Robert S. Dangel) writes: >> Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and >> the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. >> >currently version 3.13. It is a Windows-aware DOS application. Until >and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere I have one. >near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS >Kermit for use with Windows. I don't know about that, but I have Windoze Kermit. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 04:42:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:13:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:13:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 04:42:23 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >Rahardjo) writes: >> Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. >> Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) >> Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. >> >I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU >Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public >domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* >less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? More reasonable distribution. NOT just Internet FTP. The GNU project doesn't CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely (they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable handling and media charges) available. >To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, >and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. In other >words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing >operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to >bankroll the operation out of your pocket. Hmmmm.. Now you DO have a point there... Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 05:26:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:28:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 4 Oct 1994 05:26:32 GMT Organization: None Lines: 67 Message-Id: <36qp28$lbm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil>, mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil writes: : The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in : application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some : sort of anti-unix plot . It might have something to do with MS-Kermit sending 8 bit control sequences to your Unix editor. If you want an editor that works with these control sequences, I suggest that you try JED. I created and tested JED using MS-Kermit. It even exploits MS-Kermit running on a color PC through color syntax highlighting, etc.... See jed/doc/color.txt for using JED with MS-Kermit. JED is available from amy.tch.harvard.edu. The latest version is 0.97-5b. List of some of JED's features: Runs under Unix, VMS, OS/2, and MSDOS (all versions) * XWindows * DJGPP compiled version for 386/486 PCs support up to 256 Megs of Virtual Memory. This also is able to run in a Windows DOS Box. Emacs*, wordstar*, EDT* emulation C, fortran*, tex*, text editing modes * Color Syntax Highlighting on ALL systems including dialup --- not just XWindows C-like extension language called S-Lang. User configurable (bind keys, write functions, etc....) Region highlighting (even on character based terminals*) 8 bit clean, edit binary files too. Rectangular (box) cut/paste Backup and autosave files Full multilevel undo Regular expressions Gnu Emacs compatable info reader* Dynamic Abbreviation Expansion* (ESC /) Calendar* Mail* and elm like rmail* Dired directory editor* Automatic horizontal pan/scroll (configurable) Parenthesis matching/blinking Filename, buffername, function name completion Menu driven for novice users* Incremental search/replace* Sorting No hardcoded buffer/line limits Multiple windows and buffers Keyboard macros with macro query feature. Buffer mode lines are configurable, e.g., display time, line number, etc... Ispell* Shell commands and ``interactive'' shell* * Note: these functions are written in the extension language. -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 03:30:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:21:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:21:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for suggested parameters Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:30:54 -0400 Organization: ncsc Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400 (V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking? Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like: set block-check 3 set buffers 131072 131072 set file name literal set file type binary set receive packet-length 4096 set window-size 31 ... That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1, serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of 12000 baud. -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 00:04:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:32:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:32:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (tom mayo) Subject: Kermit on CD RAM Message-Id: <36q65m$pq@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 27 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:04:06 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If you are feeling really grouchy and uptight about the ongoing Kermit / CD ROM discussions, you may not want to read this. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oh, wow. This new Cheesebox 5000 computer is really snazzy. It's just like a TV---but with a typewriter too! Well, I just got this thing, and wouldn't you know, it's got one of those CD RAM drives. Amazing! Anyway, I think this CD Rome thing is really great, and I want to get Kermit because I always loved the Muppets---especially the frog! Do they sell Kermit for my CD RAM? I can't wait to find out because the computer also came with a ZModem too. Maybe I could get Kermit to sing "It ain't easy being green" over the Zmodem to my sister in Topeka. -George Creamcheese +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is my personal creation to be used for entertainment purposes only. Please forward all flames to /dev/null. -Tom Mayo N1RMU tcmayo@mntr02.psf.ge.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 08:57:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 08:57:06 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 70 Message-Id: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not as Garbo's moderator. In article <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: :Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. :Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may have either of the two goals: 1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and financially. 2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the current practices whether they are optimal for you or not. Please do not be offended, since I am trying to analyze this as dispassionately as I can as a management scientist now. I am afraid that your (Columbia's) goal is rather clearly the second one, that is pushing the problem under the carpet. You wish the problem to go away by itself, or deny that you have a problem by rationalizing keeping exactly your current practices. (That's why Frank has even himself said he keeps repeating himself). You have every right to have this goal, but I can assure you that it is bad management. I wish you to be aware what your implicit assumptions in this are. Please do not deceive yourselves. Assume, however, your goal were the first, or that you can bring yourself to redefine your true goal to be the first. In this case your problem is not generating enough funds. One of the main culprits for that is the FREE support you give. That, not the CDROMs. Whatever you decide or have decided with respect to CDROMs will not solve your problem. Before one can begin to solve a management problem one must realize amd definbe what the true problem is, and here it is not overly difficult to pinpoint. Onece you have the problem pinpointed, then, if you truly want to solve it, you can start looking how well the alternative strategies work for your goal. :we would like you to order the manual. It reduces the need for technical :support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it. But :do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else. :Can we get onto something else? Why!? Is ending the discussion really the topmost priority. Well, if you wish to, but problems are not solved by ignoring them. If one has a dilemma, and truly wants to solve it, on does not keep repeating that the discussion should cease. Decide. Is your goal making this discussion to go away, or having a better solution than what you no have. Of course I have a vexed interest, but even so, you are not making the best of this from your OWN point of view either. Summary: Decide whether defending you position or solving your management problem is your underlying goal. If the latter, identify your problems, and assess the conquences of the different alternatives on your goals. Do it dispassionately and systematically. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 09:04:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 09:04:52 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) Sigh! Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and time allocation dilemma? All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 09:06:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:52:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:52:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to catch SHIFT-ESC in kermit Message-Id: Date: 4 Oct 94 09:06:53 GMT Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 44 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit users, I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with 21 patches in it. We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT. Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769) but set key \852 hello works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but set key \769 hello doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC! When redefining the ESC key itself by set key \27 hello also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but that's not a problem for us at this moment). Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something running under DOS however!) Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 10:19:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:41:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:41:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:19:40 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:28:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:28:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for suggested parameters Date: 4 Oct 1994 12:28:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36rhpi$okp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) writes: > Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400 > (V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking? > Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like: > set block-check 3 > set buffers 131072 131072 > set receive packet-length 4096 > set window-size 31 ... > That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1, > serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and > the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of > 12000 baud. > You might be able to use control-character unprefixing to squeeze out a little additional speed, but the 3B1 itself is going to be the limiting factor. In fact, here is a case where huge buffers might actually slow you down. I have had reports that there is a certain size (of Kermit's "core image") beyond which the 3b1 will swap itself into oblivion. So you might actually want to try less window slots, shorter packets. Also, as an antiquated system running an old version of System V, hardware flow control is not available, so buffer overruns are likely. If your modem allows it, you might want to set up Xon/Xoff flow control between Kermit and your modem. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:28:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:44:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:44:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 12:28:49 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Budi Rahardjo (rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: : : Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. : : I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the : : standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, : : etc., without paying a penny. : Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems : and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people : do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's : group when they call the Kermit's group. We have four copies of the manual. I keep one at home, one in my office, and two in our department computer lab, available to everyone to whom I distribute Kermit. Since I have appended a custom startup file appropriate for our facilty, and I supply a two-page description of how to get started, there are very few problems or questions. Another nice touch is that I have reconfigured the keymap so that PageUp, PageDown, Insert, Delete, and the function keys all behave more or less the same way in emacs as they do in WordPerfect for DOS. That gives us a near-zero learning curve for editing. When people do have problems, they 1. RTFM. 2. Ask me. If I don't know the answer, I a. RTFM. b. E-mail Columbia. Less than one problem per two years in our department makes it to 2(b). That's less than 0.125 support requests per manual per year. What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM? -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:12:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:54:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:54:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:12:39 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:45:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:04:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:04:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!uknet!acorn!not-for-mail From: agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:45:27 +0100 Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acorn.acorn.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, >once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading >the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts >and set long packets and sliding windows etc. Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases. -adrian From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:48:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:05:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:05:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:48:37 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >likely to kill the Kermit effort. It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:16:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl26 From: swl26@cas.org () Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121649.2556@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:16:49 GMT Lines: 66 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:45:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:34 -0400 Control: cancel <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl26 From: swl07@cas.org () Subject: cmsg cancel <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Message-Id: <1994Oct4.124505.4384@chemabs.uucp> Originator: swl26@ Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:05 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:19:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:40:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:40:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:19:21 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 11:09:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:02:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 94 11:09:10 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 57 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Nntp-Posting-Host: taren2la.apd.dec.com X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: >Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. Kermit is not free, if I use it in a customer project I have to negotiate with Columbia, if I want to put it on CDROM, I have to negotiate with Columbia e.t.c. Thus, as soon as I start using it as a part of a bundle of software, (which I might sell for a profit athough I don't charge anything for the kermit part in it but do charge for my own contribution to it), I have to negotiate with Columbia. This is different from truely free software which is not restricted by anything (only by copyright to ensure that the software stays free). It's not strange or anything that you to do this but IMHO you can not maintain the claim that Kermit is free; Kermit is free for a limited number of purposes and the limitation is described in kermits copyright notice. As far as I can see Kermit is Shareware. Compare it with F-Prot. F-Prot is Shareware but free for private use. Kermit is free for distribution on FTP-sites and free to use for yourself but not free for use in a project for a customer or for putting it with other programs on CD-ROM. So both share the same principal, it is shareware but free to use as long as you don't cross a set border-line. For F-Prot this border-line is Non-private use, for Kermit it is distribution on CD-ROM or use in a customer project. What might be confusing is that Shareware not means that you have to pay always but that you have to pay if you meet certain conditions. For Shareware most of the time a condition is set that you have to pay after using the product for xxxx days or so, but like F-Prot shows the condition can also be if you fall into a certain category and that it is still free if that doesn't apply. Kermit is not freeware, it is shareware and it has always been shareware, if you use it after meeting a preset condition you have to negotiate with Columbia. The amount of money Columbia will charge you is unknown, you are completly in the dark because there is not a single document supplied with kermit that will say anything about what you can expect. Ok, I'm not going to reply on this subject anymore since everything to be said is covered by now. Even if everyboby will tell me Kermit is free I still beleive it is shareware; it is a matter of definition of the word 'Shareware' to deterimine if it applies to Kermit. That I don't have to pay is just a matter of not meeting the payment condition set for it. Kind regards, Henk. P.S. There is a copy of Kermit in Prentice-Hall's distribution of MINIX (on floppy) is that illegal too? I guess so... -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:03:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:03:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:03:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:03:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 190 Message-Id: <36rnan$1dl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > :Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. > :Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, > Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking > for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may > have either of the two goals: > > 1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and > financially. > > 2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the > current practices whether they are optimal for you or not. > > Please do not be offended... > Don't worry, Timo, I'm not. And I hope *you* won't be offended if I sidestep this issue for a while, even though the points you raise are worth discussing. You see, it is not up to you, Keith, or the several other participants in this debate to dictate how Joe, I, and the other Kermit workers spend our time. We work extremely long hours trying to satisfy the sometimes pressing needs of our constituency, and that work must take precedence just now over the solution to this problem. Watch the new companion newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.ann for results. I understand that some people don't like our policy with respect to CDROMs, and I suppose we will have to find a creative way to deal with this issue down the road. But for now, we are not set up to cope with it, for reasons outlined -- if not microscopically detailed -- in previous discussions. We are satisfying hundreds of thousands, probably millions of users with just a small handful of people. That's because our users either (a) order from us by mail, in which case they get the documentation they need and therefore do not bother us with tech support calls unless they are cases not covered in the documentation (and we like such calls, because they tell us how to improve our products), or (b) they are large organizations that have their own internal support structures, and therefore do not impinge greatly upon our time, and when they do, again, it is because of important issues that we need to address in our products themselves. This system has worked extraordinarily well for more than a decade. CDROMs, however, go to the mass market. Let's use an analogy to illustrate what this means. Ten years ago (or so), computers were big, loud, heavy things in the machine rooms of universities, companies, hospitals, and government agencies, with tentacles reaching out to terminals in the needed locations. This was the now-discredited centralized model. The central computer had a central support organization which trained its users, installed and maintained software, and handled problems, and every user saw the same thing, experienced the same behavior. When there was a problem, it was fixed in one place. Although the central computer was quite expensive, the support and training issues were handled very efficiently. The computer and software industries realized that there was only so much money to be made this way, and therefore shifted their focus to the mass market -- a computer in every home, store, office, etc. Margins are slimmer, prices are lower, power is higher, software is more "user friendly", etc etc. This same movement resulted in the abandonment of the central computing model in organizations. "Mainframes" were "dinosaurs" that sucked up enormous amounts of capital and operating money; PCs were cheap, throw-away commodoties that could go on every desk; each one, according to popular wisdom, having the same power as the mainframe, and much more user-friendly in the bargain. Before we knew it, every organization in the world was on a "downsizing" (hastily rechristened "rightsizing") campaign. This is all to the good. Technology is the driving force of society, and technlogy is always improving, and therefore society benefits more and more with every innovation. Costs go down, productivity goes up. But something went wrong. It didn't happen that way. Costs went up, productivity went down. Why? Because now we have literally millions of computer-naive people needed massive amounts of help -- technical support; training; one-on-one hand-holding. An issue related not only to the "naivete" of the end users and the rapid pace of change in technology and software, and the resulting unreliability compared to the tried-and-true mainframe environment, where bugs had been worked out over the course of decades. A recent study by the Gartner group (I don't have the reference handy, but I read this in one of the prominent trade publications) found that, contrary to expectations, the cost to a "rightsized" IS-intensive company of maintaining its previous level of productivity was SIX TIMES what it was in the centralized model. I know from my own experience, quite apart from anything to do with Kermit, in my own very large organization, that this figure is not far off the mark. These people, finding computers on their desks instead of 3270 terminals (or a typewriter), need massive amounts of help, even with today's prepackaged, slick, graphical client/server object-oriented technologies. There is no "magic pill" for these people -- every problem is hideously complex, and every solution is unique. "I can't print my file!" Not only could there be 500 reasons for this, you can't even hope to talk the user through exploring any of them because they don't even know what the words mean. They clicked on a printer icon and nothing came out. You have to over in person, read their AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS, remove TSRs (that some other helpful person installed for them), check for interrupt conflicts and noisy buses, remove boards, fool with jumpers, figure out their memory management configuration and address conflicts -- no two PCs are configured the same way, and if the PC is on a LAN, then you have networking issues at every level to worry about. I could go on. Most of you have been there. In this example, I have been talking about simple, supposedly self-contained "office automation" or "personal productivity" applications. Now what happens when we are speaking of an application that connects two computers via modems? I am sure that all readers of this newsgroup know that there is no "plug and play" solution to this problem. Today's modems are very complex instruments, with manuals nearly an inch thick. And every make and model is different. The PC hardware is different too and, I must say, increasingly difficult to deal with. For example: as CPU power and speed increase, serial port quality has not kept pace, and in many cases has detiorated. Our mass market consumer who buys a 66 MHz Multimedia Turbo Screamer with at Sears or Computerland will have a difficult time understanding why its much-vaunted communications capabilities don't measure up to expectations, and soon enters the jungle of non-buffered and/or defective UARTs, interrupt conflicts, and all the rest. Each of these cases takes considerable time and effort to resolve. Again, there is no magic pill -- every case is different. Within organizations, however, the pendulum is beginning to swing back in the old, discredited direction. Standardization, central support, centralized resources such as modem pools, become key to saving costs and boosting productivity. Organizations: corporations, universities, hospitals, government agencies, and so on -- this is where Kermit software can be used most effectively at the present time, because of their centralized support of key resources and their internal support structures. They relieve us of the burden of technical support. Although most of them contribute little or nothing to our financial health, most of them also do not impact adversely upon it. In the mass market, very few people are going to be able to cope with problems without some help. Help comes in the form of what I consider to be some excellent, thorough, "user-friendly" books, which take them step-by-step through every phase of the communication process -- pictures, examples, and all, and even go to some lengths to explain to them what is really going on behind the scenes -- not just "press the F7 key". Or else help must come in the form of individualized hand-holding -- in the mass market there are no organizational hands-on training facilities where we can achieve economies of scale. Communications software is far more complex and difficult to support than self-contained applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, etc, because the number of combinations of variables is literally INFINITE. Now, you might ask, isn't the same true for, say, Telix? I don't know if Telix is distributed on CDROM, but let's suppose it is. The answer is: not quite. Telix and most other shareware PC communication software is designed to communicate in a very special restricted environment: PC to BBS. Here the problem set is reduced to a manageable level: it only runs on PCs, it only talks to other PCs on only one kind of communications channel -- serial, full duplex, 8-bit clean, totally transparent to all bit patterns, etc. Directory structure and file names are the same, file formats are the same, character sets are the same. Our support people have to cover territory that is INFINITELY wider than that. Now, here is the final nail in the coffin. In response to those who say: "you're shooting yourself in the foot... you want to keep Kermit all to yourself... you don't want it to be popular... putting it on CDROM would increase its popularity and therefore be good for you...": I would agree if I thought that CDROM buyers would purchase the documentation. But they won't. If they happen to stumble across, say, MS-DOS Kermit among the 11,000 other software programs that lay before them, they will either dismiss it immediately because it does not have a GUI, or they will try it and give up immediately, in disgust, because they can't figure out how to use it. Lest this sound as if I am denigrating MS-DOS Kermit, I most emphatically am not. Lone individual mass-market consumers are not backed up by an organization that includes computer professionals capable of recognizing the technical merits and tradeoffs in choosing one package over another. Mass market consumers generally follow the trade press, which I'm sure you will all agree, focuses only on the most superficial aspects of any issue. I am quite willing to concede that as matters stand, Kermit software is simply not suited for the mass market. It is better suited for the organizational world where it can be set up, customized, and supported on a centralized basis. I hope that we will be able to change this situation in the future. It is a matter of accumulating sufficient funds so we can invest in additional development power. And that is what we are trying to do. I thank everyone for their support and encouragement. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:36:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:36:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo, Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that *is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. He seems to be starting to see things going in a downward spiral because he is being pressured into changing his policies. Please stop pressuring him, especially in public. It is a private matter between you and Frank. If you can't come to agreement, then let it go, Timo. Frank has good reason for not wanting people to sell Kermit, and he should be allowed that. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:38:35 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >:Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) > >Sigh! Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in >here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and >time allocation dilemma? The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it. It's *not* our concern. The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best. He DOESN'T want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:06:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:06:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: > >I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more > >and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is > >likely to kill the Kermit effort. > > It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If > it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The > proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell > 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? > That's a very good suggestion, Keith. We are, in fact, exploring this option. It is one of many options for us to explore. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:08:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:08:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:08:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:08:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36rnkb$1mj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) writes: > Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the > settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that > optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. > Let's postpone the discussion of Kermit on BBSs until after version 3.14 is announced. Then we'll have something new to talk about. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:56:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:21:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:21:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!eisner!stone_l From: stone_l@eisner.decus.org (Larry Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.095654.6265@eisner> Date: 4 Oct 94 09:56:53 -0500 References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: DECUServe Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET>, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for > individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., > a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if > there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 > per year. Well that may be a good funding model but as a paying model for many companies, it won't work. Getting my company to buy a manual is simple. Paying for software, whether it's "traditional" or shareware, is very difficult. Let's put it this way - I'll be retired (and that's in 25 years) before I could get $300 for shareware. My company (and also a previous employer) don't like to blindly sign software license agreements because it places obligations on the company. OTOH, buying a book entails no obligations (other than to pay) so it's no problem. > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND -- Larry Stone | VAX Systems Administator | stone_l@eisner.decus.org | From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 11:14:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:14:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:14:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!fmsrlr.srl.ford.com!fmsrlu.srl.ford.com!milam From: milam@fmsrlu.srl.ford.com (Bill Milam) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:47:58 Organization: Control Systems Dept @ Ford Scientific Research Lab Lines: 68 Message-Id: References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fmsrly.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Normally I am fairly mild mannered, and slow to anger but this really got to me.... In article fanchiot@surya1.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti) writes: >w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >>It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free >>distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That >>will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems >>which do not have access to the Internet. What planet you been living on Keith? Do Sinclairs have Internet access? Do Apple II machines have Internet access? Over half the machines supported by Kermit do not normally attach to networks. Kermit is popular because it is a darn good product, not because SimTel or anyone else distributes it. People do not use software because it is easy to get, they use it because it preforms a task they need done, and it does that task well. Kermit and it's distribution predates most of what is now known as internet. For many years Kermit was the software that allowed all those poor non-Internet folks to communicate between systems. On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years FREE of charge. I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind. Same for most CD-ROM distributions. The program I am interested in is usually always out of date. If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download from the old Simtel machine... > Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time > it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version > of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). > Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this > area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing Without a core group of people, which Mr. Stallman has been keeping together, there would be no gcc. Try it for yourself, it is much harder than it looks. > supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here > the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some > improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed! If Linux is still here in 2004, you may have a point. > and their choice. (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the > people don't have FTP access...) See above. Kermit predates almost all of the archive sites, and has been doing just fine without the CD-ROM distribution. > In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the > long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better > and easier to distribute. Guess here is something else for RMS, once > the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see As to this comment...Fine, go ahead and prove you can replace the quality and support for a Kermit replacement and keep it running for a decade or two...it ain't as easy as many of you think. Kermit predates the IBM PC for cryin out loud...this is a tremendous accomplishment. To support a FREE product in the public domain for over a decade and keep it up to date with changing technology, port it to almost every platform known to man, even Sinclairs and the BBC machines, and find itself still setting the standard others shoot for as to quality and support is a ..... words fail.... If i have mortally offended anyone, please feel free to flame me via e-mail and let the people who have legitimate problems get some time in here. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:19:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:39:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:38:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:19:56 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) writes: >In article <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, >>once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading >>the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts >>and set long packets and sliding windows etc. > >Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the >settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that >optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll >buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid >that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases. > >-adrian Well, for sysops like PCBoard and TBBS sysops... they'll probably buy the manuals, as they don't fear spending money to do things "right". This at least seems to hold true to the local BBS fare in my part of New Jersey. Ken From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 15:47:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:47:08 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu milam@fmsrlu.srl.ford.com (Bill Milam) writes: >On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most >robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as >well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I >support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years >FREE of charge. Look again. MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank. >I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions >of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind. That's because Joe Doupnik was too busy to upload MS-Kermit to SimTel. I had to wait for its announcement in the Info-Kermit Digest and then do the ftp transfer myself. In the early days that wasn't easy because the MS-Kermit package was not distributed as an ARC or ZIP file. Instead it was a dozen or more individual files that the user had to download, hoping not to miss any. >If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download >from the old Simtel machine... In the early days of SIMTEL20 I used Xmodem. Later when Zmodem was ported to TOPS-20 I used Zmodem. I still use Zmodem. You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel. That is NOT the case. SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be rejected because it does not include documentation. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:25:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:53:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:53:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:25:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. > >It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If >it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The >proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell >9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? That's a good question, Keith :-) I can understand why they might not wish to include the documentation on-disk, as then there's the possibility of folks copying it too much, which would hinder the project. But if they offer, for example, a CD-ROM of their latest Kermit offerings, updated once a year, with two manuals for... oh, $99 or so, perhaps $129, they'd get some happy Information Services folks who like the new CD-ROM toys. In the case of Kermit, however, usually folks want only one version, perhaps two or three (unix, PC and Mac, for example for a typical college installation). These can be distributed more cheaply via floppy disks or tape. CD-ROMS have the problem of only being inexpensive if: * Many are produced at once or * They have their own CD-writer, which is $5000 they probably don't have lying around. If they produce many at once, the problem happens when Kermit upgrades occur, and the CD-ROMS are useless. With magnetic media, *zot*, it's erased and a new copy is put on. Am I on the right track, Frank? :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 18:02:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:06:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:06:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:02:32 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 67 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <9410032004.AA20257@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: >>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >>people have the software completely eludes me. >In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia >University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could >be downloaded. This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to >take full advantage of the software. Oh please, give us a break. I have been using Joe Doupnik's MS-Kermit every now and then for years, without ever reading a book about it. It comes with enough material to get started and do what you need. It is everything else but "Crippleware" ! So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else. This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and, once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit as well. On the other hand, I have to admit that my boss wans't overly enthusiastic to use "something you've pulled off the Net". So when he started playing around with OS/2 I gave him the Walnut Creek Hobbes CD (on which kermit, probaly for the last time, was) and suggested him to have a look into the whole thing. The next day I had my purchase order for the book... :-) So you can count at least one sold book onto a CD publishing... I would like to add a personal remark: My posting, which was at the beginning of this thread, and which was a little bit furiously worded, originally was meant as a private mail and was posted accidentally. While I disagree with his opinion I respect Frank da Cruz' whish not to be further involved with this thread. What we are essentially discussing here is the way Columbia funds the Kermit Project. The essence seems to be that they earn money by both documentation sales and distribution fees. Some people here have argued that CD publishing would increase documentation sales. But no one has (and probably noone can do so without hard numbers and good market estimates) weighed the increased publication revenues (?) against estimated loss of distrubtion fees. Those who can do this best are the Columbia folks, since they have at least hard numbers on their current funding status. Apparently these numbers tohether with the necessary estimates say that they would not benefit from CDROM publishing. Without knowing their numbers, and without provably better own numbers, there isn't much anybody can argue about that. Regards Christoph Weber-Fahr -- Christoph Weber-Fahr | E-Mail: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Universitaet Kaiserslautern, KIT | S-Mail: Postfach 3049 Tel. 0631/205-3391 | D-67653 Kaiserslautern -------------------------- My personal opinion only --------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 19:28:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:28:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:28:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit (was Columbia University's Kermit copyrightt) Date: 4 Oct 1994 19:28:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36sadi$aha@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de writes: > So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and > wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software > that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else. > This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good > opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and, > once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to > some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit > as well. > Fixed in 5A(190). It was a bug :-) You will like 5A(190) much better than 189. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 18:31:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:21:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:21:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS/V (Kanji Terminal Emulation) Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:31:52 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 64 Message-Id: <36s72o$44l@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <36p06e$nbp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : On 20 Sep 1994, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote: [Question from jp1ek about DOS/V kermit pointing out bug in handling of Old-Jis as used by Nikkei Telecom.] : I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for : DOS/V might or might not be in it. It will be in version 3.14 when it is : announced (hopefully very soon). I sent your question to the person who : wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this : response: : response: : "Sorry for the delay. : "I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have : no friends who are using that DataBase. : "However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei : Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an : improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set. This : is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old : software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to : designate the Swedish character set." : So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom : to fix their character-set designating escape sequence. If this is not : the correct answer, let me know. The response above is correct but unlikely to get much of a hearing from Nikkei. I have had dealings with the Nikkei people in the US, the UK, and Japan. Among the printable adjectives that come to mind are smug, arrogant, thick, stupid, condescending, etc. When you've got a monopoly or near monopoly, your standards, however FUBAR they may be you are "correct." Just to give perspective on Nikkei, they consider themselves state of the art because in the last couple of years, they've finally started providing 2400 baud dialup service in Japan and packet switching ports (at 2400 baud half duplex). When I pointed out that most pimply teenagers running a BBS out of some attic in the US or the UK were providing 9600 baud or better, the irony was lost. The interface on the Nikkei database has to be experienced to be believed. A former database expert at the British Library described it as "user vicious" as contrasted with "user friendly." When I was programming mainframes in the early 1970s, the UNIVAC software for interactive access was already more sophisticated than what Nikkei offers in the 1990s. The software that they supply for this very pricey "service" seems to be at least 10 years old. The highest screen resolution it offers is EGA. Nevertheless, dealing with the Nikkei is rather like working with the IBM AT standard. Yes, it's crap. Yes, it's wrong. But it's there and it's a very big chunk of the market.... PS The version of kterm supplied with SCO UNIX ODT Japanese supplement does handle the Nikkei improper escape sequence properly.... -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:41:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:32:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:32:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: "Fun" Kermit scripts? Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:41:27 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? I know it's got to be possible (while perhaps no "real" FTP on MS-DOS, at least look and feel like FTP, and then offer Kermit to download the file(s) with) Comments? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 20:15:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:33:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:33:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news1.digex.net!cpcug!gerhard From: gerhard@cpcug.digex.net (Gerhard Postpischil) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Modem setup Date: 4 Oct 1994 20:15:39 GMT Organization: Capital PC User Group Rockville, MD USA Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36sd5b$cg9@news1.digex.net> References: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpcug.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edmond Siu (esiu@ee.ryerson.ca) wrote: : Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept communication on com port 4. I'm not sure of the text you'd need to add to the .INI files, but have you tried defining the port explicitly? If you go to the Setup, then Comm(serial?) ports, then Advanced Setup, you should be able to define the port explicitly - it adds one or two lines to the .INI file (if it doesn't, give it an incorrect address/IRQ to force the text to be added, then fix manually). It is also possible that you have run afoul of another problem, that of serial ports having to be contiguous. If you do not have a COM2 or COM3, Windows will make them contiguous (e.g., by changing your COM4 to COM3), without changing the I/O address or IRQ. Note also that the MicroSoft Diagnostic program (MSD.EXE) does *not* display correct IRQ information - it only shows the defaults. Hope this helps. Gerhard Postpischil @ Capital PC User Group Vienna, VA 703-938-1928 Rockville, MD [Team OS/360] [Team OS/2] From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 23:47:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:47:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:47:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts? Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:47:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 127 Message-Id: <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? > Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too! > Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? > Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily. Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands. By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously: ;Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 01:19:23 MEZ ;From: "Gisbert W.Selke" ;Subject: The Old Curiosity Shop ;Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, PRODUCT macro ; ; File ARITHMET.INI ; Arithmetic for MS-DOS-Kermit! ; Gisbert W.Selke, Aug 1991. ; Share and enjoy. ; ; This collection of macro definitions for MS-DOS Kermit 3.10 (or later) ; was prompted by Chris Gianone's remark: ; "Meanwhile, creative Kermit users will no doubt find their own uses for ; [the PRODUCT macro]". (Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed., p 182) ; ; Having done some math, I think I *know* what a product is... ; Given that Joe D. has made Kermit with its script language a universal ; Turing machine... There you are. ; ; TAKE this file from the MS-Kermit> prompt; then, you can do calculations: ; tadd <...> : show sum of numbers ; ex: tadd 15 17 yields 32 ; ex: tadd 15 17 19 yields 51 ; tmult <...> : show product of numbers ; ex: tmult 11 13 yields 143 ; ex: tmult 2 3 4 5 yields 120 ; tfact : show factorial of number ; ex: tfact 5 yields 120 ; Macros used internally are explained below. ; ; More importantly, when you're in CONNECT mode and your host sends a ; sequence like "ESC [ 15;7 ~", the product of the two numbers will ; appear on your screen. ; ; Remark: Multiplication can be implemented more efficiently. This is ; left as an exercise for the reader. So are FFT and primality ; testing for large integers. ; ; Uses variables \%a..\%e as arithmetic registers and for passing results. ; ; Elementary operations: ; Increment one-digit number (\%1) by 1; result in \%r, overflow in \%o: def inc1 def \%o 0,if = \%1 0 def \%r 1,if = \%1 1 def \%r 2,- if = \%1 2 def \%r 3,if = \%1 3 def \%r 4,if = \%1 4 def \%r 5,- if > \%1 4 inc1b \%1 ; internal macro for inc1: def inc1b if = \%1 5 def \%r 6,if = \%1 6 def \%r 7,if = \%1 7 def \%r 8,- if = \%1 8 def \%r 9,if = \%1 9 def \%r 0,if = \%1 9 def \%o 1 ; Increment the number in registers \%a..\%e by 1: def inc5 inc1 \%e, ass \%e \%r,if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%d, ass \%d \%r,- if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%c, ass \%c \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%b,- ass \%b \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%a, ass \%a \%r,:e ; Split multi-digit number into digits, result in \%a..\%e: def split def \%a 0,def \%b 0,def \%c 0,def \%d 0,def \%e 0,- if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,if cou go l,:e ; Add \%1 to number in \%a..\%e: def add1 if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,- if cou go l,:e ; Add two numbers; result in \%a..\%e: def add split 0,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 add1 \%2,- if > \v(argc) 3 add1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 add1 \%4,- if > \v(argc) 5 add1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 add1 \%6,- if > \v(argc) 7 add1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 8 add1 \%8,- if > \v(argc) 9 add1 \%9 ; Multiply number in \%a..\%e by \%1; result in \%a..\%e: def mult1 set cou \%1,ass \%9 \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e,if > \%1 0 go s,split 0,- go e,:l,add1 \%9,:s,if cou go l,:e ; Multiply two numbers; result in \%a..\%e: def mult split 1,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 mult1 \%2,- if > \v(argc) 3 mult1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 mult1 \%4,- if > \v(argc) 5 mult1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 mult1 \%6,- if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%8,- if > \v(argc) 9 mult1 \%9 ; Time-honoured practice: a factorial routine: def fact split 1,if = \%1 0 go e,set count \%1,:l,mult1 \v(count),- if cou go l,:e ; user interface macros: calls for macros above, plus display of result: def fatal echo Error: \%1\13, def \%1, stop ; error handler def tinc1 inc1 \%1,echo \%o\%r ; ex: tinc1 5 def tinc5b inc5b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tinc5b 1 2 3 9 9 def tinc5 split \%1,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tinc5 99 def tsplit split \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tsplit 12399 def tadd add \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e def tadd1 add1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: split 17, tadd1 15 def tmult1 mult1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: split 13, tmult1 7 def tmult mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e def tfact if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {TFact takes exactly 1 numeric - argument},fact \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; Multiplication per PRODUCT macro: def product mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,- askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 hit RETURN:,connect ; Factorial: def factorial if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {Factorial takes exactly 1 - numeric argument},fact \%1,askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 - hit RETURN:,connect ; End of MS-DOS-Kermit arithmetic routines. ; ;\Gisbert ; ;[Ed. - Gisbert, you have done a fine job of demonstrating the power, elegance, ;user-friendliness, and ease of use of MS-DOS Kermit's script programming ;language! This breakthrough makes cryptic programming languages like C, ;Fortran, and BASIC -- not to mention hand calculators -- totally obsolete.] From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 21:26:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!cleese.apana.org.au!bugalugs.apana.org.au!andrew From: andrew@bugalugs.apana.org.au (Andrew Dunstan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 1 Oct 1994 21:26:13 GMT Organization: The Bugalugs Machine Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36kk5l$drh@cleese.apana.org.au> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bugalugs.apana.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> |> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: |> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and |> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul |> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, |> > when all I want to send is a plain CR. |> > |> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. |> |> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming |> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, |> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent |> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET |> NVT specification (RFC854). |> Thanks for this, Frank. Strangely enough, old versions of kermit seem to work fine - it's only the current version that I had to put together when we migrated to Solaris 2.3 that broke. Also, the Solaris Telnet client works fine - apparently it just negotiates binary mode with the egate and then treats CR in raw mode. BTW, apropos mirrors, insisting that columbia is the only official site is a little hard on those of us who are an ocean and a continent away from there. If every Australian user were to download via our US link, the traffic would be quite heavy. Perhaps columbia should consider making mirror arrangements with some well-known mirror sites, if only to ease the network traffic. cheers andrew dunstan From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 08:37:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:07:05 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36lrfh$arb@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roland Kwee (rkwee@ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact : that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, : I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board : systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading : files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. : Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not : a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners : of zmodem lobbying against it? : Kermit deserves better. : --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org Agreed. Maximus 2.01wb has support for external protocols, and I'd love to see a config file for using MS-Kermit with Maximus. Having 25 cent local calls and only one PC, it's a little difficult and expensive for me to do though. Any volunteers? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 11:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 21:18:03 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: : What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a : sane environment? : 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box : talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both : ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected : to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the : Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. : I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. : I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use : xon/xoff. Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters are intercepted by the Unixes at each end, or do kermit commands like the following get around the problem: set flow rts/cts SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP). Any suggestions? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 02:06:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:02:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:02:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!dove!venus.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit takes an upper-case K. Date: 5 OCT 94 02:06:49 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 13 Message-Id: <5OCT94.02064950@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some of you are committing the extreme indignity of referring to this protocol as kermit. The original Kermit is the immortal brainchild of the alas all- too-mortal Jim Henson; please do him the honor of capitalizing Kermit. If you are still in the dark, Kermit was the original Muppet, in the form of a green frog, who originated the expression, "It's not easy, being green." Thank you for your attention. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 5 03:16:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:18:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:18:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 20:16:54 -0700 Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36t5r6$2kl@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not >as Garbo's moderator. [...very interesting argument deleted...] This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem with the costs of supporting users. Therefore, the problem is NOT solved by restricting Kermit on CD roms. In my opinion, Columbia should starting to charge for consulting. Or at least ask a little louder for donations from users with questions. If indeed there are so many users with problems, willing to spend time and long-distance phone calls, then there is a market for Kermit consultants. With a little preparation, I would like to think of starting a business. (or is that against the principle that we are not allowed to make a profit from Kermit....) With free distribution of Kermit on as many CD's as possible, the consulting business would do even better. Let the masses be introduced to Kermit! As long as they like the features, and are willing to pay for solving the problems, let them enjoy Kermit. I would like to refer to organizations as the League for Programming Freedom, and GNU (GNU's not Unix), and the Emacs Manifestos, that contain further justifications of providing free software and how to cover your costs. Finally, I am for advancing the state of the art in computing, which in the case of Kermit could mean: going to a better structured Kermit, with a lot of reusable code. Right now, Kermit is dawntingly big. Popularizing Kermit would therefore be better than keeping it secluded. Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for you guys, and Kermit. Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit project. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 05:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:39:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 05:22:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36td6q$6bi@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: ... :What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased :is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM? Do you have a hard number ? How big is it without a CD-ROM distribution? As far as I am concern, we are speculating with this and can't use it as the main issue. As I said earlier, the main issue is not the people without manuals, it is the objection of the CD-ROM vendors making money of kermit. I understand this valid view, although am not totally agree. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 08:40:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:56:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!hydro.com!usenet From: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Faster Kermit protocol engine Date: 5 Oct 1994 08:40:14 GMT Organization: Hydro Data, Norsk Hydro (Norway) Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36tope$13q1@vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com> Reply-To: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Nntp-Posting-Host: sk08ts.hda.hydro.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I wrote my Kermit implementation, I naturally looked for ways to speed it up. Here are a few of the idea I used. Any comments? Packet encoding: I generate a 256x4 byte table of the needed encoding for each possible character during the Send-Init negotiations. The buffered file read routine sets the first position of the input buffer after the file data to a value different from the last byte. This lets me reduce the encoding to the following code: (MaxRep will be either 1, if repeat quoting is unsupported or 94 if it is.) c = *ibuf; rep = 0; do { ibuf++; rep++; } while ((c == *ibuf) && (rep < MaxRep)); /* The previous loop must terminate due to the guard char */ et = &encode_tab[c*4]; elen = *et++; /* Length-preceeded strings */ if (rep + elen > 4) { /* Use repeat prefix only if it's a win! */ *ubuf++ = qrep; *ubuf++ = rep + ' '; rep = 1; } do { memcpy(ubuf,et,elen); ubuf += elen; } while (--rep); The decoding process use another couple of 256-byte tables to handle most of the logic and conversions. -Terje Mathisen (include std disclaimer) "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 04:45:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 05:00:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 05:00:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts? References: <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:45:15 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) > writes: > > Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? > > > Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too! :-) > > > Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? > > > Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily. > Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands. Thanks :-) I'll be *definately* ordering the book shortly - there is *sooo* much I'll need to know, and this is a case where the documentation is a need, rather than a wish! (from everything I've heard about the book, it's one of the most complete, best written books not only about Kermit, but about communications in general!) I look forward to eventually being able to submit some cool scripts to you, Frank - and I surely hope to see others doing it too! It seems like such an incredibly powerful tool, even at simple first glance! > > By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations > like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious > submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time > favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously: Can't wait to check it out :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 11:45:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu!rueiwun From: rueiwun@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ruei-wun Tu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Date: 5 Oct 1994 11:45:11 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Unix Users Group Lines: 11 Message-Id: <36u3k7$nne@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing any key on my keyboard. Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... Rueiwun Tu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 11:56:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:56:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:56:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 5 Oct 1994 11:56:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-Id: <36u4a0$8v6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: > : What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > : sane environment? > > : 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box > : talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both > : ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected > : to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the > : Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. > > : I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. > : I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use > : xon/xoff. > This is documented just about as much as it can practically be documented in the update files that come with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Each particular case is different. If nobody is using Xon/Xoff, you don't have to prefix 17, 19, 143, and 145. But this is not something you can derive by force of logic -- you really have to try it, because you really never know. Kermit itself does not use Xon/Xoff if you tell it not to. > Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters > are intercepted by the Unixes at each end? > Absolutely, positively not. Kermit does everything in its power to change the tty modes to make the connection transparent to every character -- except Xon and Xoff if that type of flow control is being used. tty modes are saved when Kermit starts up, modified for command parsing, modifited again for file transfer, and restored (hopefully :-) when Kermit exits. > or do kermit commands like the following get around the problem: > > set flow rts/cts > SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT > These commands (except SET FLOW) have nothing to do with file transfer. > I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit > completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the > connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP). > That is exactly what Kermit does itself. You don't need to do anything else in Kermit or on your Sun. HOWEVER... the problem is in the areas outside of Kermit's control -- the modems (in your case), and in other cases, the other components of the connection. In your particular case you can probably get by with: SET FLOW RTS/CTS SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 This prefixes only the packet-start character. In fact, you don't even need to do this, but then if you get any transmission errors, recovery is more difficult, i.e. time-consuming. The discussion above assumes you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on both ends. The picture is slightly different otherwise. - Frank > Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 > arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au > ..endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:39:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:40:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: aalbin1@umbc.edu (Captain Adam Albina) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Modem setup Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:39:47 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 18 Sender: aalbin1@umbc.edu Message-Id: <36uab3$495@umbc8.umbc.edu> References: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> <36sd5b$cg9@news1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Keywords: Windows, modem, base address Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I put the following lines in my system.ini and all works well on Com3. (under the [386Enh] section, include: Com1base=03F8 Com2base=2F8H Com3base=03E8 Com4base=2E8H No promises since I don't know your system- but this works for me. Hope it helps. Adam Albina From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:38:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:02:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:02:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:38:12 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. thanks -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:57:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:24:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:24:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:57:54 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36ubd2$ao9@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil wrote: : I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The : problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because : of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits : to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not : work in the applications . I have the book and have tried : both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode. : What should I do next ? : The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in : application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some : sort of anti-unix plot . : -- Matt, I had the same sort of problem w/ vi and arrow keys from a DOS/Kermit system. One of our R&D folks pointed me to $HOME/.exrc. (Note: ex and vi are the same editor, different interface.) When i added the line: set timeout=190 things got better. Basically, vi has a timeout for escape sequences which is based on the terminal's baud-rate. Various pieces of a network could cause timing delays that would exceed that limit. Give it a try. Chuck -- Chuck Stickelman PC Sales Engineer Home: (419) 362-1716 CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place N. WATTS: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:18:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:27:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:27:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lille1.fr!zaphod.crihan.fr!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent kermit servers Date: 05 Oct 1994 14:18:26 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Oct 1994 13:48:20 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article >B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit >> server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a >> virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server >> commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the >> and stop the remote server? >> >How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters >and a trashed Kermit packet? A valid point. I would not expect to use this mode except over relatively clean communication channels. Simply waiting for the EOL character would probably suffice. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:46:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:47:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:47:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:46:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? > This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. > Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:39:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:56:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!tipper.oit.unc.edu!ewt From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:39:17 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 34 Message-Id: <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: tipper.oit.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: >fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that >that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the >folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating >systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through >it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. For the record, I don't know of any Linux CDROM's that still distribute kermit (there used to be some due to ignorance, but it looks like that has been cleared up for a while now) and it doesn't seem to be hurting linux at all. The CDROM's still ship with zmodem, xmodem, etc., and the first thing I do after installing Linux is downlaod kermit with zmodem. Inconvienent? Yes. Unreasonable? No. If Columbia doesn't make money from the CDROMs, why should the CDROMs make money from Columbia? That doesn't seem fair at all. Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites do exclude it. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:46:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:25:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 05 Oct 1994 14:46:17 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 58 Message-Id: References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 2 Oct 1994 15:57:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people seem to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?" than "how can I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use it more effectively?". I think you're wrong. I think that most people's concern is "How can I make Kermit available for other's use?" YOUR concern is "How can Columbia make sure it makes money from this?" or at least not lose money. However, Columbia University, which sells its reputation to its students and researchers, gains reputation from greater use of Kermit. So, Columbia's greater goals are served by wider use of Kermit, even if it costs Columbia money to support the Kermit group. Similarly, it was in Clarkson's best interest to fund its free software devlopment. Unfortunately, universities are stupid and short sighted, which is why I'm no longer at one. I heard that a prominent Clarkson alumni asked to meet the people behind the Clarkson Packet Driver Collection, and the director of the computing center had to explain that I'd left the university. If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that money with us. But as others have pointed out, free software isn't free. There's always a price associated with it. So *someone* is always making money off Kermit distribution. You are trying to force physical media distributors to pay you, simply because you can. If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware house. I know, because you're listed in my HOWTOGET.IT file for packet drivers as the only place to get packet drivers on floppies. Your policies are perverse, and do not meet your stated goals. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:56:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:56:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:56:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy > floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the > richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware > house. > "Forcing" might be too strong a word, Russ, but you have point which most of our readers are missing (even though I have brought it up before): These "poorest Kermit users" (if we can infer they are poor from the fact that they are not on the Internet) are paying the money that supports the work that we do which you, the "richest" are benefitting from for free. Is there something wrong with this picture? Of course. Suppose the situation were reversed, and the Internet users, who are so particular about how they can get our software and turn it into a moneymaker for themselves without supporting our work -- or even, leaving those people aside (even though it is in their behalf that these discussions are being conducted, ad nauseum) -- those on the Internet who simply use our software themselves... (now remember how this clause began, all of you full backup parsers in human clothing...) paid for our work so that we could distribute it free of charge to the people who are not on the Internet? You all know where to send your money. Thanks. I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs. The question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without killing the Kermit effort? I'm not asking any of you to answer this question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met. As long as we must pay or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it. I'd also like to remind everybody of the dynamics of newsgroups -- there are variable amounts of time delay, which result in a peculiar kind of resonance in discussions like this. Russ's message was in response to one of mine from many days ago. Russ has a unique perspective, and apart from his uncharacteristic closing sentence, offers some valuable insights. But most of this is old territory, and does not need to come to the foreground again and again simply because of the mechanics of netnews. So please, when you are composing your next barb in the heat of the moment, pay attention to the date of the message you are responding to, and if it is a day or two or more in the past, you are probably not going to contribute anything new. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:01:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:08:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 94 14:01:39 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Nntp-Posting-Host: taren2la.apd.dec.com X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, we all jumped on Frank for not allowing Kermit on CD-ROM. We heard his arguments and it is clear that it has to be this way. Still I find it a pitty that Kermit was removed from the major archives for this reason. I remember that we lost other programs too this way. Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM distribution in the end?). Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:08:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:09:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:09:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:08:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Ruei-wun Tu wrote: >Hello, > Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to > write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the > line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a > larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line > will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing > any key on my keyboard. > > Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... > > Rueiwun Tu C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro. As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's. I would suggest using the HASH mode for ftp's. This will generate a # mark for every X bytes transfered. This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon only monitors incoming characters. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:25:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:53:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:53:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:25:21 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 53 Message-Id: <36ugh1$2u9@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net> <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) writes: >Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are >ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites >do exclude it. > >Erik > Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt Then practice what you preach. sunsite is funded in part by Sun, a commercial concern if ever there was one. sunsite, specifically, you, though there's kermit stuff on there owned by other users, is distributing Kermit. Unless you have written authorization from Columbia, I suggest that you think about what you are saying. Here's the pertinent section of the Kermit Copyright: product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. Here's the pertinent part of ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/READ.ME: are provided without warranty of any kind. Please read specific copyright notices and disclaimers. Most of this software is not "public domain". Here's the pertinent part of ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/DISCLAIMER.readme: ACCESS TO AND USE OF THE SunSite.unc.edu FTP SERVER IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS: All software, documentation, research data, and other materials ("Materials") submitted for installation on the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will be deemed in the public domain, except for any express restrictions included in such Materials by the submitting party. Neither the University of North Carolina ("UNC") nor Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation ("Sun") are responsible for providing notice of or enforcing any such restrictions. All parties submitting Materials to the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server represent and warrant to UNC and Sun that the submission, installation, copying, distribution, and use of such Materials in connection with the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will not violate any other party's proprietary rights. Neither UNC nor Sun are And check out the files that you own on sunsite.unc.edu: pub/Linux/apps/comm: -rwxr--r-- 1 ewt 175588 Aug 11 1993 ckermit-189.tar.gz pub/Linux/distributions/MCC/1.0+/extra_packages: -r--r--r-- 1 ewt 173334 Mar 27 05:29 kermit.tgz -Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:56:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:58:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:58:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!wsu-cs!mathsun!handel From: handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Information display during transfers Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:56:29 GMT Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Reply-To: handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) Nntp-Posting-Host: mathsun.math.wayne.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain? Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed information is always displayed? Thank you, Dave -- Dave Handel Department of Mathematics handel@math.wayne.edu Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan 48202 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 17:18:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:19:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:19:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Information display during transfers Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:18:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36un5s$95r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) writes: > I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC > (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at > the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information > "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. > Notice the date: eight years and four weeks ago. That has given us time to make quite a few improvements :-) -- including the ones you are asking about. C-Kermit 5A(190), in its VERY LAST beta edit, is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (and .gz). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:58:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:47:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:46:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!newsfeed.pitt.edu!ctc.com!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:58:07 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36uluv$3sf@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact > that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, > I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board > systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading > files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. > Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not > a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners > of zmodem lobbying against it? There is no conspiracy against Kermit. I myself only started to use it when I got my INet access. It is supported on quite a few BBS [mainly those run on Maximus] but you say it is an outdated version. Most people do not use Kermit on BBSs because it is quite difficult to set up an external protocol [for sysops who want a newer version of Kermit] and there are faster and more popular protocols [namely Z-modem, Bimodem, and a bunch of others] and Kermit is not seen as a very fast protocol. I get about 55-60% efficiency, and my terminal program always gives an inflated ratio, so I don't know. But you're right that Kermit deserves better... From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:02:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:02:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:02:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!blekul11!bliulg11!pirard Organization: Universite de Liege - Service general d'Informatique Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:03:29 +01 From: Andre' PIRARD Message-Id: <94275.150329PIRARD@vm1.ulg.ac.be> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via tn3270 References: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> <36a8de$pri@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, Philip Wirtz wrote: >I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when >connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, >download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the >Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an >alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up >through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to >upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to >the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when >using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot >upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that >escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore >to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to The 7171 use a "transparent mode" bypassing ASCII/EBCDIC translation and screen formats to transmit data in half duplex mode during file transfers with VM Kermit, printing with TPRINT and others. VM Kermit reconises the 7171 automagically and uses it that way. A 3270 emulator may or may not recognise the special buffer format it receives from the mainframe when entering transparent mode. If it does not, results are unpredictable. If it does, look into your man tn3270 to see what it does with the data. As I recall vaguely, you might pipe it to your communication line, but I have never tried and I'm uncertain about how replies can be sent back. An alternative might be to instruct VM Kermit not to use transparent mode but normal screen I/O with a SET CONTROLLER command. I understand one should exist for your purpose, but I've never tried it either, sorry. Look into the doc. Beware of ASCII/EBCDIC translation in this case. Andri. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 17:48:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:10:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:10:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:48:16 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36uot0$ioh@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: :> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? :> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. :> :Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit :5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular :Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce :for announcements. Bravo... I am waiting for the announcement. [the first newsgroup I am going to scan :-) ] -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 18:04:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:34 -0400 Control: cancel <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: cancel Message-Id: <1994Oct5.180439.26290@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:04:39 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> was cancelled from within trn. -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 09:18:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:33:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!dcs.gla.ac.uk!brunel!xxxxajh From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:18:32 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. >It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If >it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The >proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell >9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players, how are they to obtain the documentation? Is it on the file from ftp? Regards Alan Holmes From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:55:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:47:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:47:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:55:52 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. > / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM yourselves, as part of the Alpha OSF/1 Freeware stuff? I'd suggest that before asking Timo and Keith to be nice guys that you ought to start asking the people who cut your Freeware CD to obtain written permission from Columbia to distribute. Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 18:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:16:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:16:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File sizes and Kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:14:00 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 9 Message-Id: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is there a way around it? Any help would be appreciated.. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:00:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:00:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 21:00:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) writes: > ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that > when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very > different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes > out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between > the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I > will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to > be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is > there a way around it? > Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type binary". The differences between text and binary mode transfer are explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this newsgroup. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:42:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:48:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:48:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052142.AA18367@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:42:07 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: >There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players, >how are they to obtain the documentation? Is it on the file from >ftp? No. That's what this whole discussion is about. You must purchase the Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from free distribution several years ago. This makes it impossible to use all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation. Here is the information on how to purchase the book. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:52:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:57:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:57:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052152.AA18509@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:52:07 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that >are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. >This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still >be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult >situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that >is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this >directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. SimTel's policy is not to maintain a separate collection of limited distribution programs. >Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the >CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM >distribution in the end?). They all agreed to either change their CD-ROM distribution limitations or they gave SimTel special permission to include their programs on our CD-ROMs because they realized that Simtel could not exist without the revenues produced from CD-ROM sales. >Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the documentation is not included. SimTel's policy is not to accept programs which do not include documentation. You will not see MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 22:34:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:05:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:05:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:34:56 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: [stuff deleted] :MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the :documentation is not included. SimTel's policy is not to accept :programs which do not include documentation. You will not see :MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes. Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist? With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally, The LaTeX Companion. Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel? What about some of the GNU programs ported to DOS? Their documentation isn't that complete. Hell, gsed only includes the GNU copying.doc file. And gsed --help doesn't give you any form of informative help, so that can't be construed as documentation. Or what about Pmail? Same thing. On-line help, but they still suggest you purchase the manual. In fact, quite a few programs do this. Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? But then again, it seems to be okay for MicroSlop to sell me DOS v6.22 with a flimsy pamphlet, and then expect me to shell out another $39.99 for a manual. Oh well, you win some, you lose some... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 23:32:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:50:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:50:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052332.AA19378@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:32:22 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't >any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says: This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ...... Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 00:40:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 20:40:31 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36vh1v$bo8@chopin.udel.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: :darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :>Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't :>any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? : :The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says: : : This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS : Kermit 3.13. For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", : second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ...... I'm not denying that. But what about all of the other examples that I listed? All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules. So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep them on SimTel until they change their documentation? --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 02:02:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:09:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:09:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!ac608 From: ac608@YFN.YSU.EDU (Chris Madsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 02:02:00 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36vlqo$ks2@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Reply-To: ac608@yfn.ysu.edu (Chris Madsen) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil () says: >I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The >problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because >of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits >to the application correctly. Did you realize that the default init file for OS/2 swaps the Esc and backquote keys? To get Esc, you have to type backquote (`), and vice versa. To fix this , edit CKERMOD.INI (on your OS/2 system). Search for the two lines: set key \27 \96 ; Swap the Escape and Accent-Grave keys set key \96 \27 ; during CONNECT mode Delete these (or comment them out by putting a semicolon at the beginning of each) and your Esc key should work again. (You use Esc X to send M-X to Emacs, of course.) >Also the arrow keys do not work in the applications. The arrow keys work fine for me. Check the TERM environment variable on the Unix box and make sure it thinks you're a VT100 or similar terminal. BTW, the version is 5A(189), not 1.89 :-) C-Kermit has weird version numbers. -- Chris Madsen ac608@yfn.ysu.edu GEnie: C.MADSEN From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 02:58:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:54:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:53:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!tsltor!louk From: louk@teleride.on.ca (Lou Kates) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd. References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 02:58:22 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware. And various >other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and >so on. Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational >and legal constraints under which we operate. I will only say that I have >not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately, >that I did not already think of myself years ago. Timo hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that you are not likely going to solve the problem until you understand what the problem is. What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than restricting distribution? Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. Lou Kates, louk@teleride.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 04:13:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 00:13:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 00:13:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 and "set send start" Date: 6 Oct 1994 04:13:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON). Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2 system: [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58 ?Not in ASCII control range - 58 ?Invalid: set send start 58 (It complains).. I'm in local mode on OS/2 2.99 (Warp II Beta) running over a V42 56/14.4Kbps dialup link to the 6000. Version of C-Kermit is: C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.16. 7 Aug 94 for OS/2 C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(068), 31 Jul 94 C-Kermit functions, 5A(117) 30 Jul 94 Command package 5A(062), 24 Jul 94 User Interface 5A(145), 7 Aug 94 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94 OS/2 CONNECT command 5A(152), 5 Aug 94 Dial Command, 5A(060) 7 Aug 94 Script Command, 5A(022) 7 Aug 93 Network support, 5A(036) 7 Aug 94 OS/2 Network support, 5A(028) 5 Aug 94 OS/2 NetBios support, 5A(008) 22 Jul 94 OS/2 Mouse Support 5A(002), 5 Aug 94 It's probably something that I don't understand properly. When I fire up C-Kermit 190 on the 6000 (in remote mode) the set start command is accepted. C-Kermit 5A(190) ALPHA.02, 10 Apr 94, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>set send start 58 C-Kermit> -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 05:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:47:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:47:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410060541.AA21338@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:41:00 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net> <36vh1v$bo8@chopin.udel.edu> Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >I'm not denying that. But what about all of the other examples that I >listed? All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules. >So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep >them on SimTel until they change their documentation? The other programs you listed are documented in the GNU distribution which is available from SimTel's primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu, and most of its mirrors. Since they are on the same site that meets the criteria. If you find any other programs in the msdos collection which lack documentation please send me a list by e-mail and I will immediately delete them. ^^^^^^^^^ Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 15:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:02:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:02:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 15:12:25 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36rrcp$79c@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: :As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to :throw caution to the winds and add my comments. And a very good and balanced posting it is. :I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more :and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is :likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to :support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would This is the fallacy that besets this dilemma. The problem in likely to gradually get worse whether or not CD-ROM distribution is accepted by Columbia. The only difference is that it will get worse just a bit more quickly if CD-ROM distribution is involved. It is not for me to try to dictate what Columbia should do, but I can try to help my friends by pointing out that it is useful them to list all the alternatives dispassionately and consider their pros and cons financially and workloadwise. The problem will not disappear with non-CDROM distribution. It will not disappear if for example SimTel and Garbo CDROMs were allowed. It will not even disappear if and when I shut up. The cause is in the exponential grown of computer users with an interest in products like Kermit. If there is no cost, user demand for free services always finally will exceed the supply, and anyone with a basic economics course will know. There is no suplly-demand equiligbrium at zero price. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:36:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:36:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :Timo, : Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit :distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that :*is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. Wherever did you get that notion, dear Ken? I am not coercing Frank to do anything he is not willing to do. Economic realities and his limited time (only 24 hours a day) to allocate to give support may, however, do so in the long run. I may be right, I may be wrong, but I predict (I cannot know) that Columbia's solution will not be viable. What I forecast is that they will sooner or later have to find ways to charge for at least part of the support. Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone under fire. Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this discussion? All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:44:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:44:28 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36s49s$aha@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves :with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it. It's *not* our :concern. :The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting :blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best. He DOESN'T :want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture. Frank, if you truly feel about this as Ken here assumes, that I have overstepped the line and that I am on your back, I promise to unsubscribe comp.protocols.kermit.misc the very second you ask me to. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 01:23:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:35:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:35:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 6 Oct 1994 01:23:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <36vjit$16l@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> <36t5r6$2kl@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. s: : [...very interesting argument deleted...] : :This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread :about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem :Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for :you guys, and Kermit. : :Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit :project. Thank you for the very nice posting. I think, however, that I have already about covered all the essential points that I had. For the time being I do not have anything additional to contribute without repeating myself. My compliments for everyone for participating in a constructive manner, which is the way we should always manage to work on the Usenet news. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 08:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:51:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:51:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Date: 6 Oct 94 08:40:51 GMT References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 57 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: >In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >>Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >>far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. >> / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com > >Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM >[...] > >Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. > >-Mike Hello Mike, I don't understand your followup. Two things for comment: 1) I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital does. You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper chanels, not through posting employees of either companies. (Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).) 2) I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties, Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up. I will not follow up on this or discus this any further, it is off topic and I'm nog going to speak for either Digital nor SUN, my suggestions were my own. If you have facts, send them to Columbia, Digital or SUN. Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 11:11:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 07:39:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 07:39:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!thoth.mch.sni.de!fam168!not-for-mail From: Frank Hoffmann Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:11:04 +0100 Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Munich, Germany Lines: 42 Sender: fh@fam168.mch.sni.de Message-Id: <370m08$30j@fam168.mch.sni.de> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fam168.mch.sni.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu * Sigh * I kept quiet until now, but .... As far as I can see, we're in a deadlock situation here. I have the utmost respect for Timo, Keith, Frank and all the other guys providing the net- community with fine software and great services. Since the quarrel about the CD-ROM distribution has been discussed for quite some time here in the opening and in private between the concerned parties, I would vote to end it now and here. Right now nothing seeems to change anyway and if one or the other changes his/her mind, I believe we all will be notified in this group or the other. If and how the copyright concept affects the Kermit distribution and/or usage everywhere remains to be seen, but I grant Frank the right to see it his way as well as I respect the decisions of Keith and Timo. It is everybodys right to feel unhappy about this. Anyway, I think we have heard the respective views and even if we would like to, we (meaning the bystanders, not the involved parties) cannot change it. So, please, accept the decisions made and even if you can't accept, don't post anymore something like "Waahh, I'm unhappy with this" etc.pp. These are just my very own $.02 Kind regards +frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frank Hoffmann +++ Siemens Nixdorf Germany Voice: +49-894-144-7615 +++ Fx: +49-894-144-7746 Senior network controller +++ System administrator E-Mail: fh.muc@sni-usa.com +++ fh.muc@sni.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 12:51:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:20:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:20:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:51:40 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 34 Message-Id: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist? >With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically >available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to >purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally, >The LaTeX Companion. Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the >DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel? 1. There are no restriction to distribute those program on CD-ROMs. This is the most important part. 2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution. In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution which is claimed to be free. ... >Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't >any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. Both parties have valid aruments. [Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 01:05:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:49:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:49:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How IS Kermit paid for? Message-Id: <1994Oct5.200554.1099@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 5 Oct 94 20:05:54 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It looks to me as if the brouhaha about Kermit on CDROM & SimTel, &c turns on the question how Kermit is paid for. If it were shareware, CDROM would be welcome because exposure is what brings registrations. If it were a straight commercial program, NO distribution without charge would be permitted. If it were fully subsidized, CDROM &c. would be mostly harmless. Trying to follow the logic of all these exchanges, it finally gets through to me, I have no idea how Kermit is paid for? I think I have been assuming that Columbia picks up the tab, though recalling the tuition they use to charge me (many years ago), I suppose I should have known better. I got MS Kermit 3.13 free from either SimTel or from SIMTEL20, its US Government subsidized predecessor. Should I have paid something? Who has to pay for it? Who does pay for it? How does keeping it off CDROMs help? Frank da Cruz doesn't owe us explanations. He doesn't have to respond to anything on this newsgroup unless he feels like it. The idea of opening it up unmoderated wasn't to shower him with chores. The idea was we could kick around our ideas and problems *without* the Columbia crew having to put time on it. We can even complain and try to explain to each other about Columbia's policies. On the other hand, if he looks into the group and sees postings that make him unhappy --well, we didn't make him look. Now with all that for preface, making no claim of right to an answer, may I suggest it might help if someone would explain how the Kermit operation gets its funds. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:43:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ariel!nicks From: nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Nick Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:43:06 +1000 Organization: University of Melbourne Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) writes: >Hello, >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here >who would love to beta test it. >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. >--Bill Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal. I've used it to transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no troubles. ============================================================= = Nick Smith Account Manager - Century Analysis, Inc. = = Specializing in Client-Server Information Integration = = 110 Albert Street, Suite 3 = = East Melbourne, VIC 3002 = = Australia nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au = ============================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:39:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 6 Oct 1994 07:39:05 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 23 Message-Id: <370ulp$d19@nyx.cs.du.edu> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kk5l$drh@cleese.apana.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In article <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> |> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: |> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and |> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul |> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, |> > when all I want to send is a plain CR. |> > |> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. |> |> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming |> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, |> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent |> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET |> NVT specification (RFC854). |> > To be fair to the terminal server folks, I had the same problem, but it was because the thing wanted an rlogin connection...(so I spoofed it). -- Kerry From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:29:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:30:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:30:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:29:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3711l6$2p5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > 2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution > are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but > now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution. > In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution > which is claimed to be free. > This claim has been made repeatedly, but it isn't true. Kermit has better online documentation than most other software, and we have never pulled any of it off our server. For example, the help file whose first couple lines were displayed recently is 74K long, and it is accompanied by an "update" file that is 55K long and a "hints and tips" file that is 134K long. Most people get by just fine using these documentation files, and never bother to consult the printed manuals, as many users have attested. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:36:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:36:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:36:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 and "set send start" Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:36:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37120l$3fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) writes: > I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly > obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON). > > Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2 > system: > [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even > [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58 > ?Not in ASCII control range - 58 > This was fixed subsequent to the Alpha version you are using. Please pick up the final Beta version from host: kermit.columbia.edu directory: kermit/test/bin binary mode, file: cko190.zip - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 15:25:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:25:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:25:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Funding Kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 15:25:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is. It seems we have reached the level at which everyone finally understands that the Kermit effort must be funded. So the debate now hinges on exactly how that is to be accomplished. Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective funding model. How about this one: PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS In other words, put up or shut up. I'm sorry, does that sound rude? Look at it this way. If you agree that everyone who uses Kermit software should pay her/his fair share, then that includes you, personally -- each and every one of you. We already have a funding model, and we ask you to respect it. Most of you do not. If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes in this regard, then you have no business telling us how to run our business. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:56:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:48:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:48:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:56:51 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 64 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >:Timo, >: Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit >:distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that >:*is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. >Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone >under fire. Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this >discussion? When I listen to Frank, I see a man who is a dreamer and a doer. I've read everything online that I can find about Kermit, over the past few years. In everything that Frank has written about Kermit, I have seen *passion* and *drive*, to make this world a better place through intercommunications. Through Kermit, Frank has managed to get computers hooked together that, previously weren't talking to one another. Implimenting a very simply protocol, with simple mechanisms, with very sound concepts and ideas, and the most backward compatability I have *ever* seen in *any* product - it has never been done before Kermit, and NOTHING of its scope has been done since. Kermit is a specialized product, servicing the needs of people who need to communicate with dissimilar devices, and not the needs of a mass audience. I can't picture a sudden *rush* in the use of Kermit, unless it starts getting distributed in a common medium like CD-ROM. How will the new rush of people that you speak of be getting Kermit? If they're getting it through FTP sites, they will have system administrators and local gurus to help out. If they're getting it in their business usage or university, they have sysadmins and gurus to help out. Local BBS's too, have their gurus. (if nothing else, the person who uploaded the file to the BBS must know *something* about Kermit). People that buy the software with the book have what they need in their hands. But CD-ROM - I'm sorry, but CD-ROMmers are generally lone wolves. BBS's have community. The Internet has community. Businesses and Universities have community. And what does this have to do with my defense of Frank? He sounds like an optimist and a dreamer in everything I've seen him write about Kermit, UNTIL this discussion began. He started to sound defeated... depressed... lonely because the fun... the dream and vision vanishes when under attack. Frank has his policies, and good sound reason for them. He's explained it 100 times here - HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. Thanks for listening. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens listowner of the new weekly Optimism Digest - OPTIMISM@SJUVM.BITNET To subscribe, send e-mail to: LISTSERV@SJUVM.BITNET (SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU) with the message: SUB Y-RIGHTS (or OPTIMISM) Firstname Lastname From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:27:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:55:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:55:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!dove!venus.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Date: 6 OCT 94 14:27:15 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 11 Message-Id: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet has been challenged. Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no explanation of the acronym was given. Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz? Thank you. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 15:12:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:09:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:09:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows Kermit question Date: 6 Oct 1994 11:12:32 -0400 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it was written this way? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Lehigh University Computing Center Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Bethlehem, PA --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:43:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:43:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:49 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took >the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. >Both parties have valid aruments. > >[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale >be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? >Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] Budi, Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy? He is one man, with a small team of developers - NOT some big company. To top it off, Budi, you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-. There is nothing ruder that I can think of. Outside of trying trash the beauty of Kermit, which exists on hundreds of vastly diverse computer types, allowing the big and the small to talk... the great equalizer which does something networks have not done - something even terminal emulators haven't done. Sure, Zmodem seems faster. But try transferring files from your color computer to your PC. Or from your TOPS-20 to a DECSERVER. How about from an Alpha to a Zenith-100? Only ONE, truly portable protocol. Kermit. Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 16:44:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:38:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:38:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "No Manual, No Support" Date: 06 Oct 1994 16:44:30 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the Kermit manual? 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered to help themselves first? You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 17:51:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:51:55 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 76 Message-Id: <371dfr$qf7@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is. Not at all. I suppose it is absurd to talk when it is obvious that the intended target is making a point of not listening but otherwise it is a decision that affects a lot of people adversely and you should expect them to react accordingly. >Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective >funding model. How about this one: > > PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS How is this different from straight shareware with the manual on the disk, other than being more difficult for everyone involved? I think Russ Nelson was exactly on target when he pointed out that restricting distribution unfairly puts the burden on the people who can least afford it and also reduces the number of people who will use the program. >If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes >in this regard, then you have no business telling us how >to run our business. Come on - what would you say if *any* commercial business made a statement like that? Or non-commercial for that matter? Or even the government? I appreciate the effort that has gone into maintaining the kermit line. However, disagreeing with your distribution policy is an unrelated issue. I have made a bug-fix or two myself and you'll find my name among the hundreds in the C-kermit listing. The fixes were trivial (but necessary for what I wanted to do), but the time to find the problems was not, and I appreciate not having to repeat the process after each release. I have at least three copies of the ms-dos kermit book floating around in my office that came bundled with some commercial software and if the added cost helped fund the improvements that is fine with me. However, it is not a simple issue: the books are always out of date and thus not much help with your actual problems, and the software package that included them has never been popular so you have to wonder if this was in part due to the extra cost of the book. I have no particular financial interest one way or another since I have arranged ftp access (made possible largely by my location...). However I think the world needs a communication protocol that is freely available to everyone and if it isn't going to be kermit, perhaps someone will come up with something else. I think the issue of free vs. non-free access should revolve around whether it is appropriate for the files to be on ftp.uu.net. This site exists specifically to provide access to the internet for people who are not directly connected, and they make a profit from providing this access. They are very good at mirroring files from master locations so there is no issue of out-of-date copies here. The files can, of course, also be ftp'd directly from there at no cost, so there can be no question about them selling anything other than an alternative access method. They also offer the service of putting the entire machine's archives on a tape for you. Again, simply an alternative access method. Plus, they will ftp something specifically for you if they don't normally archive it. And, of course, you can coax a third-party ftpmail server to cough up just about anything through uunet and they'll get the same fee for the recipient's connect time. There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a misrepresentation? Is a distribution service acting as an agent for the recipient and thus able to perform any copy that the recipient could do himself? Why does it make a difference if this agent makes a profit or not? Or if it provides IP connectivity instead of some other media? Like it or not, the decisions on these issues are going to affect the future of kermit usage. I've often wondered why no one has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution. Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable by the people who need such a thing... Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 06:41:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:52:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:52:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 06:41:07 GMT Expires: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. The point that Frank has made several times in this discussion is not only the funding of kermit through book sales, but also the load that is put on the developers to provide support - of all kinds, not only telephone but also email, and others. I would turn your stement around a bit; while it may be true that some more books will be sold because of distribution on various CD-ROM and other media, that will be totally out of proportion to the increase in support demands on Columbia from people who get kermit from these other sources and do *not* buy the book. So the result will be a dramatic increase in workload to provide support at Columbia, with a very small increase in revenue. In fact, I personally believe that the increase in revenue would be virtually nil, because I believe that overwhelming majority of people would never even consider buying or reading the book when they got the software this way. >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. My impression is that Frank and the development group at Columbia have a very difficult job to do with extremely limited resources, and they are trying to keep people from making it a lot more difficult and limiting the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those who have been flaming Frank about this is that they are a typical bunch of net.people looking for chance to be flame someone. They say that one way to feel "bigger" is by standing on someone else. jw From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 18:00:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:54:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:54:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!bora-bora.pa.dec.com!flaherty From: flaherty@pa.dec.com (Paul Flaherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 94 18:00:09 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052142.AA18367@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: bora-bora.pa.dec.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >No. That's what this whole discussion is about. You must purchase the >Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from >free distribution several years ago. This makes it impossible to use >all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation. That's a pretty sweeping generalization, and wrong, too. All of the features are documented online, and the more sticky issues are discussed in the .BWR files. And of course, there's always the source code, which provides better documentation than some of the shareware that's out there... The book is really only necessary as a suppliment, or for folks who are totally new to telecomputing. -- -=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum." ->paulf@pa.dec.com | -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 20:23:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:19:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:19:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 20:23:27 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 59 Message-Id: <371mbv$687@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >>Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM >>Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. >I don't understand your followup. Call it a bad attempt at humor. I'm just glad to see DEC finally starting to recover, but that's a separate issue entirely. :-) >I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms >or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more >than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital >does. No, of course not -- I wasn't trying to make you out to represent anyone other than yourself. I was suggesting that this problem goes beyond Simtel and Garbo, and that some of the offenders are in your back yard. (Well, at least virtually speaking.) I'm sorry if my point wasn't as spelled out as it could have been. It probably makes more sense in the context of my other messages. >You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there >without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but >I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just >guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw >that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you >have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper >chanels, not through posting employees of either companies. My presumption was based on the fact that Frank had said that there were no deals made with anyone manufacturing CD-ROMs to distribute Kermit on them. Here's the pertinent words from Frank: From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:14:42 GMT Message-ID: <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor. Read on and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already). >(Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).) Of course not -- sorry if it was presented the wrong way. I just don't see the sense in asking Keith and Timo to bend, when they're clearly not the only players involved. >I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties, >Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't >contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant >noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up. There aren't just two parties, and this is going to come up time and time again. Next it'll be the FreeBSD CD-ROM people. Or some other FTP site. I'm certainly not an attorney, and feel free to correct me if I am full of it, but if Kermit doesn't protect its copyright, does it lose it? -Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:02:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:49:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:49:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:02:18 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: >Hi, > > I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, >5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function >keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application >that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on >these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" >(ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the >latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it >was written this way? > >Thanks in advance! Dear John, I'm not an official anything in regards to Kermit, outside of official supporter (cheerleading team, so to speak). From what Frank and the Kermit team say, the Windows versions of Kermit aren't supported by the authors or Columbia University. However, they fully support MS-Kermit 3.13 (soon 3.14) in a DOS window under Windows. My suggestion is to (I know it's a pain :-> ) switch to MS-Kermit 3.13, as it's much more robust in features and is supported and updated by the Kermit people :-) (I know little about the Windows Kermit implimentation, so I can't really comment on it, outside of what Kermit representatives have said :-> ) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:51:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:32:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:32:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Useful Kermit Stuff. Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:51:08 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone have any useful Kermit stuff? Scripts, Macros, add-on utilities (such as the GOLD.COM that now comes with MS-Kermit), and the like? Here's something I found out of the archives of the Kermit-Info mailing list, from 1990-sometime. ================>8 cut here and your monitor will surely blow up 8<========== [Somebody asked whether or not it was possible to APPEND using MS-Kermit as you can in other versions. The response from the Editor was a macro!] The software that she uses will produce a voice rendition of the document after she downloads it. [Ed. - You could define a macro to do it, like this: define fatal if defined \%1 echo \%1, stop 1 define append,- if not defined \%1 fatal {Usage: append filename} receive kermit.tmp,- if fail stop 1,- if exist \%1 run copy \%1+kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,- if not exist \%1 copy kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,- if exist \%1 delete \%1,- run rename kermit2.tmp \%1,- delete kermit.tmp Put this macro definition in the user's MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then tell her to use the command: APPEND FILENAME.TXT instead of RECEIVE FILENAME.TXT Anyone have other neat macros, etc. that they'd like to trade? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 23:47:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:12:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!MSIMONDS From: MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Subject: script for redialing Message-Id: <17047EC28S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:47:36 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11. I want to know if anybody has a script file that will make the modem redial? From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 06:48:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:14:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:14:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Information display during transfers Message-Id: <1994Oct5.124834.28826@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Oct 94 12:48:33 MDT References: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu>, handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) writes: > I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC > (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at > the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information > "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. ^^^^^^^^^^^------- long in the tooth, I'd say. But it works! > I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during > file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the > transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in > a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information > is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my > procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain? > Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed > information is always displayed? --------- To show the MSK therometer or the digital % done an MSK receiver has to know the file size being sent. File size and time/date information and character set (text) and so on are conveyed in Kermit file attributes packets at the start of each file. Not all Kermits support attributes packets, and hence that info may be missing. The CKermit of 1986 vintage did not have them, nor did the MSK of that vintage. They do today. A file transmitter has this information, locally, and can show the visual teasers. May I warmly recommend upgrading your C Kermit to the current, the current beta as a matter of fact, as discussed on this list. Attributes packets are present. Joe D From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:34:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct3.223438.28658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 94 22:34:38 MDT References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET>, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for > individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., > a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if > there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 > per year. > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------ Keith, Even though you and I have worked together in small ways for years I have to say this bluntly. Readers are warned this message contains language material not suitable for children. I write MS-DOS Kermit. Just so readers know who's who in this discussion. I put a tremendous effort, and my neck, into this project. I have a say in what goes on here. We discussed the above topic at length privately with you, it was discussed on the list in public, and the suggestion was declined for good reasons. Yet today you first cast stones on decent publications, I will presume only the naive will fall for that one, and then you try to raise a hew and cry in public. I regard both actions as deliberately destructive. I expected better of you. We appreciate and want suggestions and intelligent discussion; this list has had many fine examples of both. Your messages today are neither. You will not pressure me and other volunteers on how to sell our own time and effort. You will not slander our work. Do you read me Mr. Petersen? My appologies to the other readers for having to speak this way in public. Despite what some of the people out there may think, Frank and I and the many other Kermit volunteers hear what you are saying, and we are trying hard to continue a large successful project lasting many years and affecting very large numbers of people. I will now go back to work so the Z-100 version of MSK 3.14 will be ready for beta testing asap. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 01:54:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to catch SHIFT-ESC in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct4.075443.28687@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 94 07:54:43 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: > Hello Kermit users, > > I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with > 21 patches in it. > > We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination > SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am > unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't > make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT. > > Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other > keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can > calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769) > but > > set key \852 hello > > works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but > > set key \769 hello > > doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC! > > When redefining the ESC key itself by > > set key \27 hello > > also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work > either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but > that's not a problem for us at this moment). > > Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product > KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something > running under DOS however!) --------- Henk, I added that this morning to MSK v3.14 beta. Esc are now distinguishable. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 04:31:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:19:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:19:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands? Message-Id: <1994Oct3.103100.28574@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 94 10:31:00 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find > docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. > > It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a > command "S". > > I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand > "S". Am I right? > > Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names > (numbers?). > > I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that > because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another > program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources! ---------- I see no problem using the sources to decipher the protocol, but of course the particular implementation sources remain copyright. It's up to you to play the game properly. Common sense suggests reading the spec updates, as Frank indicated, and then running against Columbia Kermits for verification tests. The LOG PACKET facility in Columbia Kermits shows packets going in both directions for a little reverse engineering information if that's needed. The specs are open to everyone, free of charge. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 04:49:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <17043A660.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu Date: Sun, 02 Oct 94 11:49:44 PDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > >In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, >Keith Petersen wrote: >>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > >Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on >a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > >Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com Isn't that a contradiction in terms? a program that is supposed to be _FREE_ yet was being put in a package that was sold for a _profit_. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:59:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Oct 94 08:59:25 MDT References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: > One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with > NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. > > Where can I find this? > > Joel cnt@mcs.com ------------ We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 07:05:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:21:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Oct 94 13:05:54 MDT References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: > Hi, > > I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, > 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function > keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application > that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on > these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" > (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the > latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it > was written this way? ---------- The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these factors and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows (it works well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding and people to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and full, but we don't have either at the moment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 08:49:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:22:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "No Manual, No Support" Message-Id: <1994Oct6.144957.28961@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Oct 94 14:49:56 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the > Kermit manual? > > 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. > 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered > to help themselves first? > > You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send > in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, > if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. -------- That may be your way of dealing with people, but it's not mine nor that of the other Kermit project members. What am I supposed to do if a person askes me a Kermit question, as they do all day every day? Say "I don't exist, please visit a book store?" Sure, right. How about asking a Kermit question of anyone at all remotely associated with the project (and there are a great many such people)? Oh, I forgot, they don't exist either. Maybe, just perhaps, the "project" includes folks who just make suggestions or interesting critisisms in an arena such as this, and we include parts in the programs. Hmmm. On the other hand, maybe our intention is to actually help people, through the programs and giving moderate assistance about the programs to the limits of our resources. We're obviously not out to become millionaires, so there must be other reasons, such as the preceeding sentence, which cause us to keep at this day after day, year after year. Hmmm, again. As others have said recently, the fun is over, all views have been expressed multiple times, intelligent people have thought about them and voiced opinions, good ideas have been filed away for further reflection and consideration by all concerned (and we do have some good ones), the decisions have been made (some years ago, interestingly). Please let the topic fade away. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 02:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:02:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:02:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!insosf1.infonet.net!mcrware.microware.com!jejones From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 02:38:35 GMT Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 20 Message-Id: <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> References: <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.microware.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by >people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? I hope not. Were I Frank, I'd be sorely tempted to pull a John Galt. The matter's been rehashed until the particles are about to tobacco mosaic virus size :-); I agree with those who have urged dropping the matter. (I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of *Using C Kermit*. My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi- open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.) James Jones Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 22:31:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:09:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:09:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Documentation Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:31:17 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 2 Message-Id: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a manual. How do I get a copy of it? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:46:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:19:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:19:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:46:12 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET>, Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: >SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST >include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be >rejected because it does not include documentation. Um, I wouldn't go that far, Keith, to say that MS-Kermit doesn't include documentation. I'm no computer professional by any stretch of anyone's imagination, and was relatively new to computer communications, but I was able to set Kermit up on my system (I started with v.3.12), remap my keyboard for 3270 functions (to communicate with an IBM 370 through a 7171), optimize file transfers (including control char unprefixing when I got my Unix account), and figure out the script programming language well enough to write my own login scripts, all from the help files included with Columbia's MS-Kermit distribution. I don't know whether or not the documentation that comes with the distribution is to be considered "complete," but I've ftp'd packages from SimTel and other ftp sites that weren't as well documented as MS-Kermit. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 20:17:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:40:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:40:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:09 GMT Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, >Ruei-wun Tu wrote: >>Hello, >> Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to >> write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the >> line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a >> larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line >> will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing >> any key on my keyboard. >> >> Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... >> >> Rueiwun Tu >C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro. MS-Kermit also comes with dialer scripts; I suspect this person is concerned about having the script on a PC to automate dial-up connections to his/her Unix account. >As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's. I would suggest >using the HASH mode for ftp's. This will generate a # mark for every X >bytes transfered. This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon >only monitors incoming characters. Probably it does. Besides, activating a script in Kermit means leaving terminal emulation mode, which is probably not a good idea while you're in the middle of an ftp session. You're better off to just hit the space bar. Or better yet, get batchftp for your Unix account, which will run your ftp sessions in the background for you, while you're reading news or doing something else more interesting. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 03:12:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 04:23:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 04:23:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!jhuber From: jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Subject: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:12:26 GMT Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've read the comparison by Frank da Cruz that gives benchmarks of ckermit vs. other file transfer protocols. That comparison shows that ckermit can do about 1600 cps over a 14.4kbps modem for compressed files, which is just as good as Zmodem. For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and 5A(190) for the HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets, multiple windows, large buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure what flow control is the best for the HP end. I've noticed that the packet length rarely gets above 2000 during transfers, and that I rarely use more than one window. Any ideas? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 09:54:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:54:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:54:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.chalmers.se!ce.chalmers.se!olovsson From: olovsson@ce.chalmers.se (Tomas Olovsson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 7 Oct 1994 09:54:27 GMT Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Dept. of Comp. Eng., Gothenburg, Sweden Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3735sj$rl8@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: olovsson@ce.chalmers.se Nntp-Posting-Host: triffid.ce.chalmers.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Nick Smith) writes: |> bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) writes: |> |> >Hello, |> |> >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to |> >Windows/NT? |> |> >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here |> >who would love to beta test it. |> |> >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support |> >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. |> |> >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this |> >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. |> >--Bill |> |> Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal. I've used it to |> transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no |> troubles. I've tried this a couple of times too, but the throughput seems to be about 25% of what you get when using MS-DOS kermit under NT!! I have a ZyXEL modem, which connects at 19200 baud. It uses a 57600 baud serial line (with a 16550 uart) and the throughput with Kermit is normally just above 2kByte/sec. Actually, 25% might be to give too much credit to the terminal program. Look at your modem lights and you will find that the modem is idle most of the time (or am I the only person who experience this???) Also, the Terminal program is almost useless even as a terminal emulator. I normally connect to a Unix host and the scrolling "feature" in the terminal always gets confused when ANSI escape sequences for cursor motion arrives... But Kermit handles this fine. -- Tomas _______________________________________________________________________________ ___ _ Dept of Computer Engineering | _ ,___ _ _ | | | _ _ _ _ ,_ Chalmers Univ of Technology | |_| | | | |_\ _> |_| |_ |_| \/ _> _> |_| | | S-412 96 Gothenburg, SWEDEN ___________________________________________________olovsson@ce.chalmers.se_____ From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 10:17:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 06:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 06:54:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!dcs.gla.ac.uk!brunel!xxxxajh From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:17:47 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: >In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to > spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you > advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us > money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would > include the universities, government agencies, research institute, > hospitals, convents, and orphanages. > Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. >Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the >distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government >agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to >be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the impression that distribution was already free to this list and indeed anyone who has access to the email system. Regards Alan Holmes From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 22:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 07:20:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 07:20:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:23:09 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 38 Message-Id: <371tcd$q41@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :>I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took :>the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. :>Both parties have valid aruments. :> :>[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale :>be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? :>Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] :Budi, :Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy? He is one man, with a :small team of developers - NOT some big company. To top it off, Budi, :you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-. There is nothing :ruder that I can think of. Am I treating him like a bad guy ? Not at all. He has my respect. I am being frank (no pun intended :-) and don't want to beat around the bush. We can have different opinions but still respect each other. ... :Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by :people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? You are not the only one. I also see kermit as a beautiful thing. On top of that, their MS-Kermit has ***THE BEST*** vt100 emulation I have ever tried. Nobody (including commercial programs that I have bought) beats them. there ... so you know my position. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:22:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:23:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:22:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:22:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <373ej0$60l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: > For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files > using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within > kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and > 5A(190) for the HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets, > multiple windows, large buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on > the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure what flow control is the best for the HP > end. I've noticed that the packet length rarely gets above 2000 during > transfers, and that I rarely use more than one window. > As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not to prefix most control characters, since by default (for safety) it prefixes all of them. You can read about this in the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(189) or 5A(190). You can also increase your packet size up to 9024, but, oddly enough, there is not always a direct linear relationship between packet length and performance. Each connection has its own unique combination of packet length and window size. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:26:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:26:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:26:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 160 Message-Id: <373epb$677@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) writes: > It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a > manual. How do I get a copy of it? > The manuals are all that most people ever need. When you have problems that are not covered in the documentation, there are the supplemental online files covering the minutiae of particular problems. When that doesn't help, that's what we are here for. The most efficient use of everybody's time is ensured by this approach. First look in the manual. If you don't find it there, look in the online help, hints-and-tips, and update files. If you still need help, contact us. Here is our current list of publications: KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:31:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:10:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:10:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:31:17 GMT Expires: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Look again. MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank. Well, *that* is certainly a pertinent piece of information in this discussion. When all else fails, I suppose the best thing to do is just obfuscate. >You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to >agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel. That is NOT the >case. SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST >include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be >rejected because it does not include documentation. Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely enough. But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before; in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an explanation". The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia that had caused it to be removed. When all else fails, obfuscate. jw From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:12:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:39:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!newshost!sasdrq From: sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) Subject: reading the screen in kermit Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:12:59 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: gamecock.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the screen so the "INPUT" command might not work. Am I missing something already in 3.14? Thanks. -- R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. sasdrq@unx.sas.com SAS Campus Drive, R4138 (919)677-8000 x6284 Cary, NC 27513-2414 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:28:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:41:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:41:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!tipper.oit.unc.edu!ewt From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:28:55 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 29 Message-Id: <373lv7$j12@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tipper.oit.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Henk de Groot wrote: >Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that >are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. >This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still >be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult >situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that >is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this >directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. Do you realize how many anonymous ftp sites there are on internet? Do you understand how many of those carry kermit? Do you know how easy it is to find kermit on internet (try archie)? Why are people complainging so much that it was removed from two ftp sites. Plenty of major ftp sites still carry it and it's not hard to get. Columbia has *no* plands on removing it from ftp, they just feel that they have the right to control further distribution so they don't drown in the flood of support requests that would ovvur from a large increase in users. Get kermit, use kermit, and stop worrying that you won't be able to find it. The net doesn't revolve around simtel and garbo. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:52:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:19:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:18:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Date: 7 Oct 1994 10:52:41 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 23 Message-Id: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Quattlebaum wrote: : Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain : row,col location? ... : : Thanks. : : R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. ... : I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to display the current line and character position of the cursor in the status area on the bottom line of the screen. As that line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able to choose what items to display, and where? Of course, this should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*) -- Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 13:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:02:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:02:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:51 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >> >> Where can I find this? >> >> Joel cnt@mcs.com >------------ > We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the >file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. > Joe D. While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone was asking about earlier). A lot of is is available at kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only really need MS-Kermit? :-) ) Ken From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:04:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:06:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:06:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:04:08 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > = James Jones >(I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of >*Using C Kermit*. My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi- >open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.) Now *that's* a good idea! I haven't send my money order in for MS-Kermit manual yet, but I will within the next few days. I *love* the hard cover ringbound manuals - they're hard to find. -------------------------------------------- **** Hey Frank, Joe and others on the Kermit team **** ____________________________________________ Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and such) for $10 more each? Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! I fully expect Kermit to be around for a long long time to come. It's so darned simple (as a protocol), and yet does so much! Ken From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 04:40:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:39:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.104045.29099@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 10:40:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) writes: > Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain > row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a > way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. > > When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the > screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the > screen so the "INPUT" command might not work. > > Am I missing something already in 3.14? --------- Connect mode is a mode, unrelated to things we can say at the Kermit prompt. Script commands run at the Kermit prompt and not in Connect mode. They are indeed modes, much different beasts in the code. Many comms programs sit in terminal emulation mode all the time, and overlay file transfer screens. MS-DOS Kermit is not designed that way. Thus, your scripts can check for a character string, but not for a formatted screen characteristic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 04:59:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 10:59:34 MDT References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu>, sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) writes: > In article , > David Quattlebaum wrote: > > : Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain > : row,col location? ... > : > : Thanks. > : > : R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. ... > : > > I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to > display the current line and character position of the cursor > in the status area on the bottom line of the screen. As that > line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able > to choose what items to display, and where? Of course, this > should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*) > > -- > Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services > __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall > _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware > (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 ----------- Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered with." But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have such features. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 05:29:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:41:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:41:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 11:29:08 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me. To outsiders the discussion seems like a full powered attack on Kermits and the Kermit Project policies. I see it differently. Over 90% of the messages are from very thoughtful people trying to sort out choices and alternatives, with the aim of improving matters. Not all messages are this way but the vast majority are. The insight and tenor of most messages is professional and experienced. I am impressed and, after time to recover good humor, pleased. I've learned things even if I don't agree with all points. Most of us realize that while Kermit programs and policies are the focus of discussion the real targets are the far more numerous programs and authors and distribution companies. The element of dramatically increasing scales of use and distribution make the problem very difficult to quantify and solve. Providing help to that vast user population, under circumstances of very tight financial and personnel resources, is the most difficult part, whether programs be commercial or free. The problem of copyright adherence is emphasized. These issues will be faced by many people and companies, and our discussion should be of distinct benefit when their turn comes. Thus let me take this small breathing space to express my appreciation to the many contributors for their time and effort to help all of us understand the situation, and maybe even find longer term solutions. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 16:27:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:01:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Kermit-lovers unite! Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:27:34 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host. I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:29:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:33:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:33:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:29:50 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those Rubbish. But since you imagine to know so well please advice how does one set up a publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the additional time an motivation needed. Develop a product of your own, and you'll see the Columbia's side of things. Maintain an FTP site and you'll see SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. I happen to have done both. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 06:50:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:42:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:42:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.125014.29124@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 12:50:13 MDT References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > In article <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >>> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >>> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >>> >>> Where can I find this? >>> >>> Joel cnt@mcs.com >>------------ >> We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the >>file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. >> Joe D. > > > While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of > interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone > was asking about earlier). A lot of is is available at > kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for > what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only > really need MS-Kermit? :-) ) ------------- My ftp servers are designed and built to take the load. They also service a goodly chunk of the NetWare community and I doubt that you guys will make much of a dent in the traffic stats. Feel free to raid and plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:32:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:58:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:32:20 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3747o4$2ug@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:41:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:03:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:03:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:41:30 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 30 Message-Id: <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much of my spare time. Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the Columbia's side of things. Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. I happen to have done both so don't you "completely bogus" me mister. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 16:34:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:11:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:11:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 07 Oct 1994 16:34:36 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU's message of 6 Oct 1994 23:43:06 +1000 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Take the pledge! No votes for Ollie North supporters! NO POND SCUM! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 17:46:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:43:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:43:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utzoo!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:46:00 GMT Lines: 78 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs. The >question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without >killing the Kermit effort? I'm not asking any of you to answer this >question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment >that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds >need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met. As long as we must pay >or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it. Maybe, then, I'm misreading what "the Kermit effort" entails. As a purely developmental effort, the nature of Kermit's distribution should be of no concern. What has surprised me in this thread is the revelation that Columbia actually offers help-desk-style support for Kermit. This, frankly, amazes me. I don't understand why "support" need be any more than a part-time task perusing the Internet and/or a BBS-type system (whose number is built into the default Kermit dialing directory :-). That person would accept bug fixes and reply to other questions with a polite RTFM. This might have the added effect of giving people more reason to buy the book(s). I would suggest that anything more than minimal Kermit support by Columbia is a waste of funds. The software is mature enough that user-driven support (such as this newsgroup!) will suffice for most questions, just as it does for current users of GNU and Linux software. Your effort, Frank, in creating an unmoderated Kermit group, should significantly reduce the load on Columbia directly. Postings to the formerly-moderated group that once had to be dealt with by your team can now be dealt with by that big blob of Usenet. People want support beyond that? Buy the books. People want handholding beyond that? Allow third party efforts to support Kermit to those who are willing to pay. Maybe less revenue for Columbia, but far fewer headaches as well. I'm not directly affected by the CD prohibition, but I see why a seemingly insignificant issue like discrimination based on distribution media would get under people's skin. It seems so arbitrary. I like the idea of a Columbia-produced CD as was suggested elsewhere. Its capacity would allow you to put just about every known architecture implementation of Kermit on a single CD-ROM, which might solve a number of problems. But let's take the idea further... How about this? Consolidate all the current English-language documentation into a single volume, and bundle in this book a CD-ROM with all current Kermit implementations (as well as electronic versions of the docs). Offer it for distribution through *software* channels, not book channels (ie, Merisel rather than Waldenbooks). Priced reasonably, it would sell alongside all of the other CD-ROM releases in computer stores; and it would sell well, even with users knowing they could get the stuff free from elsewhere. Look at the boom in sales of CD-ROMs which only contain shareware and freeware; people know they can get the stuff free, but are willing to pay for convenience, virus-free media, and documentation. From a publishing level, I'm sure the folks at O'Reilly and Prime Time Software would be able to help you with such a CD/book project if Digital Press won't. Note that because it's a book, the current publication isn't on display in software areas; software and books are currently sold in very different ways. Sold as a software CD-ROM, as software rather than a book, I suggest sales would go up dramatically. I've been lurking on this discussion for a while, waiting for someone else to suggest this. To me it seems almost obvious. What am I missing? -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:08:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:05:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:05:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:08:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com writes: >>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >>Windows/NT? > >I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native >Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor >do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it >working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks >at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). >-- Tom, maybe this is something that I'm confused about but... I thought that you would take the original C-Kermit code and simply compile it under Windows-NT. Well, make changes for the file system and for the port assignments... but shouldn't it mostly take care of itself? Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code? :-> (I really no little about C beyond "Hello, world!") Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 21:19:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:36:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:19:38 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <374e1a$kb6@news.halcyon.com> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >>The GNU project doesn't >>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely > >Oh, really? Are you sure about this? I've seen several statements, from >several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the >distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from >others, because the money from this is important funding for us". Sounds >like a very similar situation to me. But this is different -- it is a plea to the purchasers to help support ongoing development. It is not a demand. If one finds a distribution with desirable value-added and one still wants to support the Gnu project then one can just send a monetary donation to the FSF. But in a sense you're right: the do _care_, but they don't control (and explicitly avoid controlling) distribution. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 20:31:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:47 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:31:23 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a >performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The >Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects >so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also >the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would >indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate >even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered >with." > But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have >such features. > Joe D. There is another option. While displaying the cursor position isn't practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions. Personally, I just scrollback to the part I want to remember, and while I'm sitting at the screen, type the command/filename/whatever while on that screen, using the first time it said it as a visual reminder. But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen. One I believe came with Qmodem 4.0 a few years ago. It was very small, but it did work. There is also (in my archives but I'm not likely to be able to find it for a while!) a program running around that allows you to use the mouse to cut/paste text info. from an MS-DOS screen. While positioning the cursor over the text, press the left button to highlight. To stop highlighting, let go of the button. Then you click on the right mouse button to paste it. I'll keep my eyes peeled for it. There are some folks that would probably find that a useful item in Kermit :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 11:05:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:13:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:12:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <1994Oct7.170533.29142@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 17:05:32 MDT References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: >>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >>Windows/NT? > > I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native > Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor > do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it > working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks > at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). > -- Tom, People such as yourself should contact Frank da Cruz at Columbia, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, about your plans so there is minimal expenditure of effort and that matters can stay coordinated. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 00:54:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:01:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:01:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Message-Id: <1994Oct7.205443.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing References: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 00:54:43 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host. > > I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely > ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers > pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. > > KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around > sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) > Yeah, and you'd have to put up with lots of people joining, thinking it's a Muppets fan list. Terrif :) From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:34:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct7.183428.29152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 18:34:27 MDT References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved > :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; > :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive > :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" > :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those > > Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a > publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically > mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements > with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the > additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much > of my spare time. I think part of this came out wrong. It's not mirroring per se which we are discussing, but rather what's sold to the CDROM vendors for pressing. I understand mirroring issues since I run a fair sized one myself (official Novell mirror) and I too have to pick and choose which subdirectories are to be exposed and which not. From my own experience in the ftp business I have classes of directories where items are treated differently (got to, my legal agreement requires it). It's not that big of a deal. I also vet each third party file arriving at my place, virus scan it, read the docs, verify that the file can be reposted, and so on. I reject not a few, but not based on extent if any or eloquence of English prose. Timo has much more than I do, but I still have a bunch to deal with. Btw, both Timo and I earn our living holding real jobs as Prof types, not by running archive sites. I think we have been suggesting that some programs live in a directory area which is not melted into plastic. That can be done by either adding a new branch on your ftp server tree (and I understand what that means) and/or clipping out selected subdirectories during the disk to tape making process for the CDROM vendor. How easy that is depends on the operating system, etc, but I can't seeing it being a major undertaking. Locating the files which need to be moved is another matter, but that's part of the business. This rather repeats the obvious so I won't elaborate further. And please don't read this as directions on how to run an ftp site; it's just my own experience being related. > Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the > Columbia's side of things. Yes. > Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see > SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. Ditto. It's not easy being a major ftp site. But to be one there are these admin details with which we are stuck. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 22:27:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!deathstar.cris.com!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410072227.AA19072@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:27:32 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely >enough. But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before; >in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed >from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >explanation". The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the >ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia >that had caused it to be removed. When all else fails, obfuscate. You haven't been reading the postings in this discussion closely enough. You are wrong when you say I did not explain why. I DID, and yes it WAS because of the restrictive distribution policy of Columbia that MS-Kermit was removed. Here is the original announcement: > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:02:46 EDT > From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) > Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel > > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > SimTel's policy is: > > Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs > offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not > be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, > it will not be accepted. > > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > > Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City > of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared > without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, > except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software > product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with > commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to > their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of > Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. > > Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs > and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright > have been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). > > Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. > The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 08:07:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:30:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:30:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:07:10 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca >(Mariusz Zydyk) writes: >> ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that >> when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very >> different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes >> out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between >> the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I >> will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to >> be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is >> there a way around it? >> >Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type >binary". The differences between text and binary mode transfer are >explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this >newsgroup. True enough, but in brief: In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF) characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF) to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file will be one character larger than your Unix file. If you use text mode to transfer binary files from Unix to your PC, a CR will be added before every LF in the file, and you'll have a corrupted file on your PC. Set file type binary stops Kermit from making these changes; the received file on your PC will be the same size as the one on your Unix account. You can quickly check the integrity of your downloaded zipfile by escaping back to the MS-Kermit> prompt and doing 'run pkunzip -t zipfile'. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 06:04:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 02:03:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 02:03:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 7 Oct 1994 23:04:55 -0700 Lines: 83 Message-Id: <375cq7$nd@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <371dfr$qf7@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a >misrepresentation? Is a distribution service acting as an agent for >the recipient ... Why does it make a difference if this agent makes >a profit or not? ... I've often wondered why no one >has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit >communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution. >Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable >by the people who need such a thing... Les has an important point here. It is part of ''the legal issue''. Because Kermit is not completely free, most modems are packaged, not with Kermit, but with an invariably crude program instead. Such programs are obviously made on the cheap, because they are just an add-on to the modem. Most are using zmodem, perhaps that's easier to program from scratch, or the source is public domain, or it is easier to license (I don't know). I strongly believe that this is a factor to the BBS systems preferring zmodem over Kermit protocol. If Kermit were truly free, it would be bundled with many more modems than today. It would save the modem vendors the cost of developing their own version. Kermit would be more popular with the mainstream BBS users. BBS's would install better Kermit versions, using the original source code, yielding in fewer bugs. I did hear Frank say something like Kermit is not for the masses. I don't agree (meaning I still respect the opinion of others). I think it is a waste of resources to reinvent the wheel, like modem vendors have to do today. Kermit with some appropriate scripts (like the current dial scripts!) is very easy to use. If most BBS communications are easy enough that they can be handled with telix/procomm etc, i.e., 8 bits, short delays, hardware handshaking, etc, then one script would fit all those situations. Only if Kermit is truly free, without tricky restrictions based on such criteria as ''for profit'' (in my opinion a very ambiguous criterion), it can have it's maximum effect. That is easing communication between as many computers as possible, and eliminating reinvention of Kermit. The economic aspects must be resolved, of course. 1) Nobody will be able to make exorbitant profits of Kermit, because it is free. Competitors will prevent this through the market mechanism. 2) If Columbia gets swamped by support questions and has no resources to handle those, Columbia should stop answering some users. Columbia has no obligation to provide support. It should only support those it has an interest in, and so many as it can affort (at the most). 3) If Columbia has to refuse helping some users, it could refer them to this list or to other volunteers. I happen to have no plans to contribute any code to the Kermit project, but may be able to provide some user support as an alternative contribution. Others may choose to donate some money. This way, more people than just those genius hackers can contribute to this wonderful Kermit project (no exageration, I mean it). 4) If, as Frank fears, indeed huge numbers of users will beleage the Kermit team with questions, I foresee businesses opening up to address that market. Contrary to Franks opinion, I find this desirable. It will stimulate the economy. Provide employment. The public gets the benefit of using a REAL protocol/terminal emulator, instead of those makeshift products currently bundled with most modems. 5) Properly organized, voluntary donations (without legal-sounding requirements as with shareware) can generate considerable funds. That's how public radio/television does it. GNU. LPF. The Red Cross. The TeX user group. (Is there a Kermit user group???) With this posting I hoped to add a few new ideas (and to reiterate not too many old ones). In no way I mean to say that Columbia SHOULD do anything, only that it COULD consider this. Other people will have even better ideas to solve the REAL problem, which is not distributing Kermit on CDs to the masses, but to decide WHICH activities to fund in WHAT way. My own hope is that sometime C-Kermit will evolve to an even more modular package allowing a greater amount of code reuse. I have ideas for a program that combines fax, voice mail, terminal emulation, callerid logging, in short: all thinkable phone functions. Wouldn't it be nice if I could reuse large parts of Kermit, instead of having to rewrite lots of low-level COM port code? With a well-organized and well-funded Kermit project, the hopes of this are much higher. POPULAR KERMIT---CODE REUSE---BETTER WORLD Thanks for reading all this, Roland Kwee From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 20:21:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:33:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:33:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Date: 7 Oct 1994 20:21:41 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 15 Message-Id: <374akl$cdo@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely :ADORE Kermit! Why don't you propose the creation of comp.protocols.kermit.advocacy ? I would vote yes... It is a bit difficult, though. Since many people have been brainwashed by the zmodem-cult :-) Maybe under the alt hierarchy is easier to create the newsgroup. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 06:43:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 06:43:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:10:24 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >Rahardjo) writes: >> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. >> >Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit >5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular >Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce >for announcements. > >- Frank Where is this protocol addition documented? (Those of us writing our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage of this.) - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:34:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 07:32:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 07:32:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:54 GMT Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: > For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files > using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within > kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and > Here's a quick comparison that may help nail down the difference. Try enabling `escape control characters' in your ZModem transfer and compare the speed there. If that slows down ZModem to match your Kermit speed, then the difference is that Kermit escapes all control characters, while ZModem's default is more optimistic. Basically, Kermit's default is conservative, and ZModem's defaults are optimistic. Thus, Kermit's defaults allow it to work in situations that ZModem won't, but make it slower under nice conditions. Properly configured, the two are pretty much equivalent, speedwise. For comparison, the common ZModem default settings correspond roughly to the following Kermit settings: block check: 3 (a) packet size: 1024 window size: large (b) (c) control characters escaped: 1, 16, 17, 19 (d) Notes: a) ZModem actually uses a 32-bit CRC instead of Kermit's 16-bit CRC. For a variety of reasons, they're roughly equivalent. (ZModem needs a more robust CRC because it lacks other error checks that Kermit does use.) b) Some ZModem implementations use the file on disk as a buffer, which allows the window to be as large as the file. c) ZModem typically collapses to a 1-packet window after each error, then goes back to a large window after the error is corrected. Kermit doesn't usually need to do this because of it's more sophisticated windowing strategy. (Thus, Kermit is often faster than ZModem when errors do occur.) d) Actually, ZModem escapes 24 instead of 1, but the reason for that doesn't apply to Kermit, so Kermit doesn't need 24, but typically does need 1. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 14:40:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:43:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:43:01 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:40:29 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals > (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and > such) for $10 more each? > > Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. > > > I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound > edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) > > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when > new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! > A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs seems to be the new thing. It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking through an index?) From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 18:29:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:31:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:31:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:29:35 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 31 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <376oef$dvv@knot.queensu.ca> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: |> |> ... please advice how does one set up a |> publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically |> mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements |> with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the |> additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much |> of my spare time. |> 1. I don't see how mirroring is a problem. It is completely ok to have Kermit on an ftp site. 2. When you first mentioned you had neither the time nor motivation to treat Kermit as a special case I wondered, but did not ask, "Could Kermit's special status be accomplished by setting group permissions?" I admit that I am completely ignorant of garbo, I do not even know if it is on a Unix host. And I agree that you have every right not to spend your time coming up with a special approach to include Kermit on your ftp site and not on your CD-ROM distribution. But I wonder if there might not be a simple solution to the problem if you were willing to look for it. The answer that you've got better ways to spend your time is valid. Mind you, if it is as easy as setting group permissions then you can't really blame people for saying that your position wrt Kermit is "completely bogus". -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 19:21:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:22:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:21:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:21:54 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 43 Message-Id: <376rgi$8p4@Venus.mcs.com> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense >discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me. I'm glad to hear that. I don't want anything I have said to be taken as a criticism of the quality of the work that has gone into kermit or the intentions of the people doing it. But, times have changed and perhaps the distribution policies have to adapt to continue to serve the intent. One thing that I think would help would be to offer licensing for commercial use of either the full program or parts of the code with an up-front pricing scheme less than it would cost anyone to re-invent it. This would have several advantages besides generating some income. There would be fewer "bad" implementations around to reduce the support problems about interoperation. People who need hand-holding could be encouraged to use one of the commercial products from companies prepared to provide it. Companies who want to hide a fully scripted communications module inside a larger product would be able to use kermit (giving the end user a book is kind of silly in this scenario). And, you might even get back some improvements to the code from commercial developers. MS-kermit does some nifty network stuff in addition to the communication protocol. The same thing could be done in this area to make the code reusable for both free and commercial products. For example I put together a version of GNUtar for DOS that speaks rsh/rexec to a unix host using the WATTCP library. I'd love to be able to do approximately the same over netbios between two DOS machines or use ODI drivers without a packet driver shim like kermit does. However, it is pretty clear that it is impossible to combine anything with the GNU and Columbia copyrights in the same package, free or not (doing it with WATTCP is fuzzy enough). Personally, even though I like free software and source availability, I think that being available, supported and affordable is more important than being free. If it is impossible to keep up with the demands for updates and support in a free product, maybe it is time to split the line into free and commercial versions and let the user make the choice. This makes more sense to me than making people pay on the basis of whether or not they have access to electronic distribution facilities or their intended use of the product. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 19:47:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:47:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:47:31 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 28 Message-Id: <376t0j$ab4@Venus.mcs.com> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >>The GNU project doesn't >>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely > >Oh, really? Are you sure about this? I've seen several statements, from >several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the >distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from >others, because the money from this is important funding for us". Sounds >like a very similar situation to me. Not at all. The GNU folks explicitly allow and encourage redistribution of the original copy by any means, free or commercial. They are simply suggesting that if you are going to pay someone for your copy it might as well be them. However I'm not all that fond of the GNU copyleft either once the code reaches production quality and is useful to end users. The GPL requires that the source be distributed along with binaries with only a couple of specific exceptions. Dos/windows users seldom even have compilers so it is kind of silly to require them to have source code. With FTP and CDROM distribution this isn't much of a problem, but with the more common BBS and floppy disk distributions in the dos world it is an extra burden. I'm not against making the source available somewhere, but I don't see much reason to require distribution to people who don't want it (and yes, I understand the exceptions...). Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 07:38:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:13:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.133843.29200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 13:38:43 MDT References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kientzle@netcom.com writes: > In article <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >>Rahardjo) writes: >>> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >>> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. >>> >>Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit >>5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular >>Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce >>for announcements. >> >>- Frank > > Where is this protocol addition documented? (Those of us writing > our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage > of this.) --------- Protocol extension docs usually end up in directory kermit/e on kermit.columbia.edu. Since the crash recovery item has yet to be hammered on in public (we have to get MSK 3.14 out) I think Frank is hanging back on the matter until any gotcha's are resolved. That's just a guess on my part. I'm sure he could ship you the current draft if you ask him. Before your program can take advantage of the feature the rest of the protocol needs to be implemented, particularly file attributes packets. If you have gotten that far then fine, else the preliminary work needs completion. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 21:45:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:48:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:48:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!meissner From: meissner@osf.org (Michael Meissner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 07 Oct 1994 21:45:47 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 70 Message-Id: References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasta.osf.org In-Reply-To: jeffb@world.std.com's message of Tue, 4 Oct 1994 04:42:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: | More reasonable distribution. NOT just Internet FTP. The GNU project doesn't | CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely | (they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source | is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable | handling and media charges) available. Actually the same has come up in the GNU area too (though not as publically). The following will be in the GCC 2.6.1 documentation (and presumably other GNU software documentation as well). Note the points about using distributers that contribute money back to create new software. When the flood of CD distributions sprung up, the FSF's funding shrank, to the extent that they had to lay off one or more people. File: gcc.info, Node: Funding, Next: Look and Feel, Prev: Contributors, Up: Top Funding Free Software ********************* If you want to have more free software a few years from now, it makes sense for you to help encourage people to contribute funds for its development. The most effective approach known is to encourage commercial redistributors to donate. Users of free software systems can boost the pace of development by encouraging for-a-fee distributors to donate part of their selling price to free software developers--the Free Software Foundation, and others. The way to convince distributors to do this is to demand it and expect it from them. So when you compare distributors, judge them partly by how much they give to free software development. Show distributors they must compete to be the one who gives the most. To make this approach work, you must insist on numbers that you can compare, such as, "We will donate ten dollars to the Frobnitz project for each disk sold." Don't be satisfied with a vague promise, such as "A portion of the profits are donated," since it doesn't give a basis for comparison. Even a precise fraction "of the profits from this disk" is not very meaningful, since creative accounting and unrelated business decisions can greatly alter what fraction of the sales price counts as profit. If the price you pay is $50, ten percent of the profit is probably less than a dollar; it might be a few cents, or nothing at all. Some redistributors do development work themselves. This is useful too; but to keep everyone honest, you need to inquire how much they do, and what kind. Some kinds of development make much more long-term difference than others. For example, maintaining a separate version of a program contributes very little; maintaining the standard version of a program for the whole community contributes much. Easy new ports contribute little, since someone else would surely do them; difficult ports such as adding a new CPU to the GNU C compiler contribute more; major new features or packages contribute the most. By establishing the idea that supporting further development is "the proper thing to do" when distributing free software for a fee, we can assure a steady flow of resources into making more free software. Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Verbatim copying and redistribution of this section is permitted without royalty; alteration is not permitted. -- Michael Meissner email: meissner@osf.org phone: 617-621-8861 Open Software Foundation, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, 02142 Old hackers never die, their bugs just increase. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 17:51:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:18:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:18:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!kfk.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!darum.uni-mannheim.de!mips.ruessel.sub.org!not-for-mail From: naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org (Christian Weisgerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:51:26 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <376m6u$ltn@mips.ruessel.sub.org> References: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <373epb$677@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: naddy@mips.lu.pfalz.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mips.ruessel.sub.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With all the recent talk and flaming about distribution policies and funding... > Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital > Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN > 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from > Columbia University or from Digital Press. How much does Columbia University actually get of the DEM 101.80 (~$63) I paid for my copy? -- Christian 'naddy' Weisgerber, Germany naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org / naddy@mips.lu.pfalz.de "I am Lefty of Borg. Prepare to be assim... OOH! PIZZA!" --Lefty From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:20:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:20:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:10:24 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 84 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is what we have now come to. I must have expressed myself very thoughlessly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. However, I want set one thing straight publicly in the open when I start getting this kind of feedback. There is not one single cent that I have ever earned from Garbo's operations. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discsussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:21:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:21:46 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3772ha$j9f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:29:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:29:02 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 87 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I have little to add except that there is not a single cent that I earn from Garbo's operations. I fact I am personally way in the red in Garbo operations since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please don't make me out like some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discsussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:43:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:43:46 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3773qi$jcr@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:49:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:49:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 88 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I wish to say, however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback starts to be like this. There is not one single cent that I have ever personally earned from Garbo's operations. In fact I am personally way in the red in maitaining Garbo, since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please don't take me as some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:00:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:51:44 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37749g$jg6@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:55:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:01:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:01:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit distribution discussion, an apology Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:55:35 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 90 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I wish to say, however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback starts to be like this. There is not one single cent that I have ever personally earned from Garbo's operations. In fact I am personally way in the red in maintaining Garbo, since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please, don't take me as some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 22:38:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 19:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 19:40:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:38:57 GMT Expires: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by >people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? No, you certainly aren't. I stayed out of this discussion for a long time, because it seemed to be progressing rationally. People complained about not being able to put Kermit on CD-ROM. Frank explained why that was not going to be allowed. But then the same people complained about the reason it was not to be allowed, and things went downhill from there. Now we have reached the point where a several people are simply repeatedly posting messages that say "Frank, I like you, and I respect you, but I really don't understand why you would be so stupid as to stick to what you believe in and have been saying all along, rather than changing your mind and doing what I want you to do." However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get around them." I absolutely can't imagine *anyone* having the gall to say something like this. How would the people who say this like to conduct a public discussion of their day to day decisions, so that anyone and everyone can second-guess, criticise or simply dump on the people who have to make these decisions? It seems to me that a large part of the problem for both sides here is that they are unwilling to allow a precedent to be set. Frank is not willing to allow the precedent of Kermit being distributed on CD-ROM, because he believes that it will dramatically increase the support load without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. Consider the potential consequences of each side of this. If Kermit were to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit group. Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case, eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to get it. On the other hand, if Kermit is not allowed on CD-ROMs, some unknown number of people will not stumble across it by accident, and so may never become Kermit users. But the simple fact is, anyone who knows that kermit exists and wants to get a copy will still be able to do that. Either electronically, or from Columia by mail order, or from somewhere else. I simply don't believe that there will be anyone, anywhere, who will end up saying "gee, I would really like to get a copy of Kermit, but it is not on the XXYYZ CD-ROM, so I can't get it". jw From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:38:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 19:38:52 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people >start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial >restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get >around them." Guess I missed that one. What I saw was more like people asking what exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them. Even if that means many people will be unable to use kermit or even remain unaware that it exists, or only know about it from the commercial copies. >Those who operate Internet >archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to >allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from >the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to >make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. It is actually pretty much irrelevant how many internet sites keep a copy of kermit. If you have access to any ftp archive you can just as easily reach them all, including Columbia's. The people without ftp access are the ones affected here. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 01:01:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:01:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 01:01:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 11 Message-Id: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to hardware, not BIOS. Any other ideas? --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:22:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:46:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:46:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:22:41 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Quattlebaum (sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com) wrote: >Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain >row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a >way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. I may be missing something, but my observation is that when you run a script in MS-Kermit, you're taken out of terminal emulation mode and put in command mode. In command mode, whatever comes in through the serial port is simply read as a stream of characters (including the escape sequences that would format your screen if you were in terminal mode), and is not interpreted into rows and columns. Input commands simply read this stream for a character string match. It's possible that the ID or whatever it is you want to detect can be differentiated from the same string elsewhere on your screen because it is preceeded or followed by escape sequences. You can determine whether or not it is by turning on session logging, which records the actual stream of characters that goes through your serial port, and not just what you see on the screen during terminal emulation. You could then put an input command in your script that includes these escape sequences, using backslash codes for control characters (eg. \27 for escape). Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:09:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17064 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:23:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!jhuber From: jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:09:05 GMT References: <373ej0$60l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is >because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the >additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not >to prefix most control characters Yes, this is the "solution". I tried prefixing only 0, 1, and 129 a couple of day ago and got numerous lockups with file transfer. For the hec of it, I tried it again and it worked like a charm. I later found out that my internet provider was having a server problem which was causing the lockups, not the prefixing I was doing in kermit. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 14:59:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:12:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:12:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 20:59:50 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use > Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > > What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to > hardware, not BIOS. > > Any other ideas? ------------ No other ideas. If you are asking about whys then I can say that MSK has a heck of a lot more work to do for each screen character than simpler programs. That's going to start showing when the cpu is the weakest link in the chain, and maybe that's the case on your XT. I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will stop here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 03:51:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:51:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 03:51:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 21 Message-Id: <377pbp$fkq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the |operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will |stop here. A valiant try, appreciated. I'll try to give more information. I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log into Columbia University's Unix server. One place the difference in screen updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE. Ctrl-K-H in JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen. I'm using Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc. In Kermit, it's quite fast, too, but clearly not as fast. As I wrote in my original post, I've set both programs to write to the screen directly. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 15:13:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:12:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:12:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 21:13:37 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use > Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > > What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to > hardware, not BIOS. ------- Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0" argument to SET TERM COLOR. Say SET TERM COLOR ? to see the syntax. Notice that this affects screen updates as well as screen scrolls, with the latter being the slowest operation of the video system. Many programs (er, programmers) today forget (never new about) about snow occuring on older computers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 05:05:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 01:05:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 01:05:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 05:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 12 Message-Id: <377tmj$jhu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA |display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA |adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0" I've checked for that, but I thought the 'turn-off-snow-suppression' code was 10, not 0. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 02:38:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 05:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 05:45:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Oct8.063846.6883@ais.com> Date: 8 Oct 94 06:38:45 EDT References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: >> I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, >> 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function >> keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application >> that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on >> these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" >> (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the >> latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it >> was written this way? > ---------- > The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers > than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when > it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these > factors and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows > (it works well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding > and people to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and > full, but we don't have either at the moment. > Joe D. At one point I did a little hacking on the Windows version of Kermit to add some features to it that a customer wanted. The reasons for the choice of that program are not relevant to this discussion (they needed the Chinese character set, for one thing, which is not possible with the MS-DOS version of Kermit, and they did not need many of the other features of the mainline Kermit package). The choice of F5 as break is because that's what VT terminals use as a break key. Many of them don't allow you to remap the F5 key to anything else, unfortunately. There's no good reason for a Windows program to have the same restriction, and more modern VT terminals do allow you to remap the key anyway, so it should have allowed it. However it's still not nice of the remote application to require the use of the F5 key since some VT terminals cannot generate this sequence. But as Joe says, the Windows version of Kermit has a number of limitations that the MS-DOS version does not have. It's not difficult to get the sources to Windows Kermit, so you could always modify it yourself to add that to it. I might even be persuaded to do it for you for the right price :). But if you want something to work out of the box, MS-DOS Kermit is usually a better choice. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 13:21:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:31:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:31:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 13:21:57 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 29 Message-Id: <378qpl$t55@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: ... :Consider the potential consequences of each side of this. If Kermit were :to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there :is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit :group. Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case, :eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to :get it. I am sorry if I am rehashing it again, but I don't buy the argument. Are you sure if Columbia pull the plug, Kermit will die ? (I don't think so) Does Kermit really depend *that much* on Columbia's support ? If it is true that Kermit will die if Coulmbia pull the plug, then not many people want to use it since it is not stable and really depends on Columbia (who knows what the administrator will do. cuts... cuts.. cuts). Let's stick to one point: Columbia's Kermit team does not want anybody selling their work without permission. This is valid and reasonable. Has any CD-vendor approached any of you guys ? How difficult is it to get the permission ? I want to hear the CD-vendor side of the story too. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 17:06:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:12:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:12:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: OpenVMS and crash recovery Message-Id: <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:06:11 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on download? After all, if after stopping a download, I log into a Unix system and cd to the NFS-mounted drive from the VMS system, I can use C-Kermit to resume the download, and it works fine. The only difference is that the Multinet NFS server on the VMS system translates the file into Stream-LF when it passes the data over to the Unix system. I can think of a few problems this could cause, but if it were a feature that could be enabled or disabled, that would dodge that issue. I could be missing something here, like it's a lot harder than I'm thinking it should be, but it seems like something that works most of the time on binaries (especially zipfiles, which are generally are already stream-lf anyway) could be done. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 19:33:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:33:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:33:12 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <376t0j$ab4@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bolognese.mit.edu In-Reply-To: les@MCS.COM's message of 8 Oct 1994 14:47:31 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re-read the GNU copyleft. I just examined the one with EMACS. If you offer to send free copies of the source code for the next 3 years, commercial providers don't have to include it. I'm uncertain whether ftp sites count as sending free copies, but I'll bet you could find a way. An 8mm exabyte with the full GNU source tree only costs about $20 in media, so sending a few of them to customers who ask could easily be an incidental expense rather than a burdensome problem. Even putting emacs source and gzip on floppies would only cost about $5 in media. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:12:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!mathias From: mathias@unicorn.swi.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "No Manual, No Support" Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:12:43 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 37 Message-Id: <373l0r$rd7@raffles.technet.sg> References: Reply-To: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg Nntp-Posting-Host: unicorn.swi.com.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In () Russell Nelson (nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com) wrote: | Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the | Kermit manual? | 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. | 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered | to help themselves first? Now *that's* an idea. Put a card into the book, to register for service. People can either fill it in right when they buy kermit (and thus get some *bonus* points or so, or when they need service, which will take until the card reaches Columbia, gets processed etc. Very reasonable scheme, I love it !! Only you'd have to make sure the book is available everywhere, or there was a good mail-order shop for it. I haven't seen many copies here in Singapore, but then I haven't actively looked.. cheers | You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send | in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, | if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. | -- | -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html | Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key | 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? | Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. -- Mathias Koerber Tel: +65 / 778 00 66 x 29 SW International Systems Pte Ltd Fax: +65 / 777 94 01 14 Science Park Drive #04-01 The Maxwell e-mail: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg S'pore 0511 MK War isn't fought to decide who's right, but who is left - ?? many of you advocate, then everybody | who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become | an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, | research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. | Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. | - Frank -- Mathias Koerber Tel: +65 / 778 00 66 x 29 SW International Systems Pte Ltd Fax: +65 / 777 94 01 14 Science Park Drive #04-01 The Maxwell e-mail: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg S'pore 0511 MK Rene Descartes said "I don't think so," and he vanished. --?? From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 21:51:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:01:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 21:51:36 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 29 Message-Id: <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet :archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to :allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from :the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to :make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows an unmistakenly derogatory untertone with an obvious primary goal to disparage divergent views. It loses so much of the weight of the superficially even rationally appearing arguments. Fortunately, with the unequivocal exception Mr Watson, and marginally one other participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the rule in comtemplating the various aspects of the dilemma discussed. I particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their civility in explaining their stance both on and off the news about the views and analysis put forward of yours truly. I wish we all could have reached the same level. It is time to go. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:39:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:41:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:41:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:39:47 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379rfj$4t5@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:45:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379rpl$4uu@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:49:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:49:59 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379s2n$4v6@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:51:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:51:59 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 30 Message-Id: <379s6f$50m@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet :archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to :allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from :the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to :make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows an unmistakably derogatory undertone with an obvious primary goal to disparage the divergent views. It loses so much of the weight of the superficially even rational-appearing arguments. Fortunately, with the unequivocal exception of Mr Watson, and marginally maybe one other participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the rule in contemplating the various aspects of the difficult dilemma discussed. In particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their civility in explaining their stance both on and off the news about the views and analysis put forward of yours truly. I wish we all could have reached the same level. Time to go. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 23:09:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:06:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:06:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!eisner!youdelman From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Date: 9 Oct 94 18:09:29 -0500 References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Organization: DECUServe Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Ken Udut writes: > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > print a nice binder? Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 23:38:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:40:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:38:02 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <379usq$avt@pilot.njin.net> References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu louk@teleride.on.ca (Lou Kates) >What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which >you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support >or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than >restricting distribution? >Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand >these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. Columbia University is a large university in an especially litigious area of this country. There is no way that a normal person (and certainly not a computer person) could understand the forces at work. The fact that Kermit is in any way freely distributable is quite amazing. We've heard Frank at Columbia say that there's nothing he can do right now. He is not an idiot. He understands the issues. We've heard many valid arguments for doing things differently, but LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY. Give it a rest. -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@itc.org 802-453-2457 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 11:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:14:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct9.174340.29273@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 94 17:43:40 MDT References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu>, pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) writes: > In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >> >> Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals >> (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and >> such) for $10 more each? >> >> Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. >> >> >> I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound >> edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) >> >> Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and >> print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when >> new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! >> > A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM > uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs > seems to be the new thing. > > It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first > few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking > through an index?) ----------- All very nice ideas. May I suggest you contact the publisher and explain your suggestions and why you think they would be important. It's the publisher who makes those decisions in the end. And while you have their attention ask what they are doing to put copies in more bookstores. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 03:23:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:30:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:30:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:23:52 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party programs, to nifty scripts, etc... Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 03:56:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 00:03:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 00:03:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 03:56:54 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: >I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > >What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >hardware, not BIOS. > >Any other ideas? >--- _________________________________ o ______________________________ > Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for > Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New > Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all > Try: SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 before starting Kermit. If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your Kermit invocation. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 02:52:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 03:10:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 03:10:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: On fdc's long reply to ts Message-Id: <1994Oct9.215221.1107@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 9 Oct 94 21:52:21 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to express appreciation for Frank de Cruz's long reply to Timo. That's the letter I've been hoping for. Finally, he's given us a glimpse of the way Kermit is paid for and how the Columbia people see the shape of the market for computing. That makes it possible to see that there may be some sense in the way Kermit is being handled. The sad thing about this long exchange is that Frank's been defending what nobody attacks: his or Columbia's *rignt* to offer Kermit on the terms they do. The question's been the wisdom of it. Possibly, I'm slow. It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 12:33:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:44:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ankh.iia.org!iia.org!not-for-mail From: andersr@iia.org (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Date: 10 Oct 1994 08:33:23 -0400 Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 51 Message-Id: References: Reply-To: andersr@iia.org Nntp-Posting-Host: iia.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely > ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers > pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. > > KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around > sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) > > Ken > kudut@ritz.mordor.com After a temporary brain freeze I finally got my off-line news-reader to show me the c.p.k.* groups. I was sad to see how much discussion there was about the down side of Kermit. (If buying a manual to help fund the Kermit effort, development and support, is a down side.) Being the defacto, if not official, support person for Kermit for our area and doing a brief stint of answering questions nationally I can appreciate the Kermit Development (and Support) Team's position. I found over 90% of the questions I get could be answered by looking in the index and reading two to five pages in "Using MS-Kermit". I personally purchased "Using C-Kermit" and had my employer purchase "Using MS-Kermit". Our SysAdmin bought three copies of "Using C-Kermit" so there is always a copy lying around to use. The big problem is most people want a knowledge transplant and are reluctant to `Read-the-Book'. But that is another soap box that can be stood on later. A decision was made to go with Kermit on our PCs for terminal emulation since the Data General DASHER 463 and 470 support was added. Otherwise the terminal emulation package Data General supplied was $200US at first and now down to about $35 but buggy as all hell if your hardware wasn't what is thought it should be. On the other hand I have yet to find an IBM (MS-DOS) compatible that Kermit wouldn't run on out of the box. And there are some real strange combinations floating around at work. Since I seem to be running on a bit I'll get to my point. Kermit is one of those applications software support people dream of, IMHO! It transfers files over some of the worst communications lines without breaking them, runs on most every platform you could want, and is FREELY AVAILABLE. Rod Anderson ====================================================================== Nope, this don't necessarily represent my employer's views and I have even been known to tick them off. Hell, I'm not even going to tell you who I work for. ;-) ====================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:47:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:47:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <37bgln$j5g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have > gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I > know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, ... > Right. This can be implemented in Kermit programs that actually have a terminal emulator. C-Kermit in UNIX, VMS, etc, do not include terminal emulators, but rather a connection to whatever you are using on your desktop as a terminal or emulator -- e.g. your workstation's terminal window. Of course, the OS/2 version of C-Kermit *does* including a terminal emulator, with rollback, key mapping, etc, so this does not apply to OS/2 C-Kermit. > ... but my > question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a > feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party > programs, to nifty scripts, etc... > This is an increasingly common question. A similar question is "How do I use the F keys, arrow keys, etc, with C-Kermit?" The answer will be different for each particular system / console driver / terminal window program. In general, the information will be found in the manual for your desktop system. In many cases, workstation terminal windows include scroll bars -- e.g. "terminal" or "Stuart" on the NeXT -- and their own key maps, which you can customize -- e.g. xterm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:14:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:14:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OpenVMS and crash recovery Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:14:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <37bi7d$l1e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) writes: > Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version > of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on > download? > It is my fervent hope that we can get crash recovery added to the VMS version asap. We are working on it now, but it is not definite. There is no easy solution, because we use -- and must use -- the RMS file system and its numerous facilities to handle the many and varied VMS file types, and this entails all sorts of issues involving "blocks", internal buffers, etc. We have an idea about how to do it, and the proof will be in the pudding. But no, it's not as easy as using C-library calls. That's what the *old* VMS C-Kermit (version 4 era) used to do, and it was entirely unstatisfactory. Let's keep our fingers crossed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 02:06:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:15:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:15:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct10.080603.29320@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 08:06:02 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: > >>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >>Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. >> >>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >>hardware, not BIOS. >> >>Any other ideas? > > Try: > > SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 > > before starting Kermit. > > If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your > Kermit invocation. ------------- Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer. But thanks for assisting. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:42:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:42:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, Michael DeCosta III wrote: |SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 | |before starting Kermit. I'll try it (I'm at school right now), but I'm curious; what does it do? I don't recall seeing it in the help file. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:42:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Control: cancel <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:42:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <37bjta$nct@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> was cancelled from within trn. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:26:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: US Army's closure of SIMTEL20 (was On fdc's long reply to ts) Message-Id: <9410101426.AA29125@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:26:15 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <1994Oct9.215221.1107@newton.hartwick.edu> Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu wisanr@newton.hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: >Possibly, I'm slow. It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand >how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20. Please tell me what that means. You haven't lost anything, other than one program (Kermit) out of over 11,000 that are in the collection. You can still get Kermit from Columbia, so you haven't lost it either. The reason the US Army closed SIMTEL20 was because it had a poor funding model (does that sound familiar?). I had to find a new home for the collection and a new job to support my family. There were many offers to house the collection but only two to house the collection *and* to hire its archivist (me). Both offers were from sites that use the funding model of CD-ROM sales to support the collection and its archivist. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 20:40:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 9 Oct 1994 06:10:55 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <37704n$mvl@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS ...and lobby your local university bookstore to keep them in stock! PS Frank and Joe, the Australian number for the publishers should be written as +61 2 XXX XXXX. The extra zero before the two gets you Hobart, Tasmania, instead of Sydney, New South Wales. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 04:09:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:49:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:49:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit CD ROM? Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:39:37 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37aeq1$8ji@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36lhti$cp0@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael DeCosta III (am856@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this, : but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities, : scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator? Sounds good and very logical. It would save on buying tapes, and if updated with major releases (e.g. C-Kermit 5A 190) would save on FTPing. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 16:53:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 13:02:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 13:02:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: changing IRQ's Date: 10 Oct 1994 16:53:29 -0000 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 6 Message-Id: <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.delphi.com Keywords: IRQ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. thanks for any help From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 18:47:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:31:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:31:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!seunet!news2.swip.net!seunet!kullmar!bk From: bk@kullmar.se (Bo Kullmar) Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: <1994Oct10.184727.18890@kullmar.se> Organization: ABC-Klubben References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:47:27 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: >Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. It is supported in C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA. You have to enable it with a command and it is only for binary files. The Kermit people don't like the automatic recovery funktion that is used in Zmodem. I belive that this function is comming in MS-DOS Kermit as well. --Bo Kullmar From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 19:25:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:57:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:57:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:25:08 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37c4ek$ado@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> <377pbp$fkq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yee Chang Lee wrote: >I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log >into Columbia University's Unix server. One place the difference in screen >updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE. Ctrl-K-H in >JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen. I'm using >Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below >the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc. One more suggestion to solve the problem: Maybe you setenv TERM vt100 in your unix account when you use Telix and vt320 when you use MS-Kermit? Make sure you set the same TERM type in both cases! If the termcap entry for vt320 is not optimal, your editor may have to redraw the whole page instead of just moving a part of screen to make room. -Petri From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 07:42:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Message-Id: <1994Oct10.134205.29366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 13:42:05 MDT References: <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com>, beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) writes: > can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. > i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. > thanks for any help ------------ In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive help available instantly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 21:01:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usr1.primenet.com!jew From: jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:01:53 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run under Windows. Here's my net stack: \LSL.COM C:\3C5X9.COM lh ipxodi netx C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 21:04:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usr1.primenet.com!jew From: jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:04:17 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows. I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit to use the port. I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc. Any ideas? Procomm Plus for Windows works fine. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 08:25:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:23:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:23:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for FAQ maintainer Message-Id: <1994Oct10.142556.29376@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 14:25:56 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Now that the regulars have snuggled down in their chairs and the lengthy greeting ceremonies seem to be drawing to an end I think it's time for someone to consider being a Keeper of the FAQ for the list. Most common query to-date is how to get max speed at max vulnerablity. Other c.q.s are running on non-standard serial port settings, where to find Kermits, what's this fine manual stuff anyway. Prospective c.q.s are how to add settings for the next wave of cute modems, binary versus text modes, reporting which Kermit and version on each end, version numbers of the most widely used Kermits. There! I've done my part. Any volunteers keeping notes and willing to maintain a FAQ? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 22:45:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:55:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:55:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 10 Oct 1994 22:45:57 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article <1994Oct10.134205.29366@cc.usu.edu> you wrote: : In article <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com>, beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) writes: : > can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. : > i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. : > thanks for any help : ------------ : In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command : SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive : help available instantly. : Joe D. I just helped my brother to setup a new modem. We did this all day to find a way to get it to work. Its: set com4
\2 Where address is the COM4 address. You have to read your computer manual to find it. MSK guesses ours at \x02f8 or \x02e8. But, ours can also be \x03e8 and \x03f8. set com2 \x2f8 \3 works for us. -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 18:52:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:56:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:56:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!chapman From: chapman@acf2.nyu.edu (chapman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac Kermit "capture" Date: 10 Oct 1994 18:52:54 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu called Print Captured Text... Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented? - Gary Chapman, NYU From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 00:10:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit "capture" Date: 11 Oct 1994 00:10:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <37cl5d$b42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> chapman@acf2.nyu.edu (chapman) writes: > There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu > called > > Print Captured Text... > > Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented? > The only kind of printing currently supported by Mac Kermit is host-directed printing, which occurs when the host sends VT100 "printer on" and "printer off" sequences. Thus the print menu is normally dimmed. When the host sends: ESC [ 5 i (or) ESC [ ? 5 i -- Turn on printer ...text... ESC [ 4 i (or) ESC [ ? 4 i -- Turn off printer The text between these two sequences is put into the "capture buffer". When the turn-off-printer sequence is received, the Print menu items become undimmed and you can print the captured text. There is a limit of about 32K on the size of this text. This type of printing is normally accomplished with a utility on the computer that you have connected with Mac Kermit, such a "pcprint" UNIX shell script. NOTE: As of edit 190, the Print menus have changed somewhat, but the operation is substantially the same. When transparent print material arrives, a box appears on the screen saying "Capturing text to be printed", and when the transparent print operation is complete, the "Print captured text" menu item is activated. There is a new "Print..." item which is undimmed at all times, but apparently does not do anything. Reportedly, host directed printing works better in 0.99(190) than in earlier edits, but the print buffer is never cleared. Hopefully, future releases of Mac Kermit will have additional printing capabilities: print screen, print selection, log session to printer, etc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 01:45:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 21:45:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 21:45:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 11 Oct 1994 01:45:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37cqoj$huf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Close, but not quite... Keywords: IRQs SETTING MS-KERMIT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe the \2 in the "set com4
\2" works, but the exact syntax doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be: set com4 \x2e8 2 2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch settings to be sure. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:15:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host Message-Id: <1994Oct10.191513.29419@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 19:15:12 MDT References: <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com>, jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) writes: > I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run > under Windows. Here's my net stack: > > \LSL.COM > C:\3C5X9.COM > lh ipxodi > netx > C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM > C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE > > What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc. ------------- Let's walk through this to see what is happening, and then your options will be clear. You are using Novell's ODI to manage the board. That's LSL followed by the board ODI driver (MLID in ODI-speak). That forms the ODI handler. IPXODI comes in as one ODI client, and then ODIPKT from FTP Inc comes in as a second ODI client. So far so good. Netx uses IPXODI so we are not concerned with it here. ETHDRV is FTP Inc's TCP/IP stack, and here is where the complication begins. If you try to run Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack (SET PORT TCP/IP) then you would be trying to load a second TCP/IP stack in parallel with the first. That is fatal. Don't do it. So now, what to do constructively? Plan A: run Kermit on the top of Ethdrv, by using FTP Inc Telnet module TNGLASS. See your FTP Inc documentation. For Kermit use SET PORT BIOS1 to couple to the Int 14h interface provided by Tnglass. A sample command line would be similar to tnglass -hhost.domain -c1 -ekermit.exe which specfies the host, Bios port 1 for comms, and executes Kermit.exe to be the terminal emulator. Plan B: unload both Ethdrv and Odipkt. Then run Kermit straight over ODI. Use Kermit command SET PORT TCP/IP ... in this case. Of the two, the second is far faster and permits multiple Telnet sessions. Choose the method which best suits your requirements. Note that FTP Inc's ODIPKT uses ARP protocol for copy protection detection and Kermit won't be able to use it and hence won't be able to do TCP/IP work. Harvard's ODIPKT will work with both Ethdrv and Kermit, though Kermit needs it and winpkt only when running in Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:23:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover Message-Id: <1994Oct10.192333.29420@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 19:23:32 MDT References: <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com>, jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) writes: > I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows. > I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit > to use the port. I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc. Any ideas? > > Procomm Plus for Windows works fine. -------------- There is a misunderstanding about what SET PORT COM3 does in Kermit. It means go straight to the serial port hardware. The LAN-Rover is merely creating an Int 14h Bios-like software interface, not a hardware one which is impossible, and you should tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1 to couple to it. I'm guessing that is what Shiva has done because that is by far the most common tactic in such cases. Your Shiva manual should say more. To counteract this confusion we've added some words to the documentation for MSK v3.14 explaining the hardware vs Int 14h choices more clearly. Now, one more guess then I'm done. If the modem provides a real serial port on COM3 then that's not "redirection"; it is being a regular modem. In that case either - the system provides the COM3 port address and Kermit has to choose between IRQ 3 and 4 (since there is NO standard on COM3/4), or - you tell Kermit the port and IRQ via the SET COM3 port irq command. Procomm makes plenty of macho assumptions without telling you about it. Kermit does not play that roughly with your machine. We have a large amount of documentation talking about modems and such as part of the distribution text set. Please go to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a and get ms*.bwr, ms*.upd, and msr313.pch (all text files). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 04:35:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:43:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:43:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 11 Oct 1994 04:35:54 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <37d4na$j9u@lucy.infi.net> References: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> <37cqoj$huf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maxwell E Evarts (evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Maybe the \2 in the "set com4
\2" works, but the exact syntax : doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be: : set com4 \x2e8 2 : 2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the : previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch : settings to be sure. : - Max I'm using MSK 3.13, and when I type: set comx \xxxx ? It says: Enter, or IRQ of port (ex: \3) So, I did what it says. *shrug* -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 03:10:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:46:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:46:17 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 03:10:23 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, billy@mix.com wrote: > In article Ken Udut > writes: > > > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > > print a nice binder? > > Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't > seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference > in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) > would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. > > Billy Y.. > It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages (either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and handier). Although one of the drawbacks is that the pages often get ripped, etc., and bound books are more permenant(sp?)... I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how to program Pascal. But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper and glue binding. Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight holding it down, while typing! Hopefully wirebound materials will foster more popularity as more binding companies provide it. Spiral Company is one of the biggest. (note: I'm not talking about the plastic ring bound stuff, as they aren't as nice to deal with as the wire-ringbound, like the classic spiral notebooks) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 11:56:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:31:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:31:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!news.miami.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 11 Oct 1994 11:56:05 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: kudut@ritz.mordor.com's message of Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:08:12 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code? :-> The problem isn't the fact that it is written in C, the problem is that when it wants to actually do something (like talk to the serial port, or do timeouts in the scripting language, etc) it does them in a U**x-like way. Meanwhile the Win32 API, while able to do most of the things U**x can do functionally, has a completely different philosophy about the way things work (often a better philosophy, but certainly different :-). Since I am more interested at this point in learning "the right way" to do things in Win32, than I am in porting kermit, that's why I say I am unlikely to do anything real soon. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Take the pledge! No votes for Ollie North supporters! NO POND SCUM! From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 03:22:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:42:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:42:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!axpvms.cc.utexas.edu!sauron From: sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 11 Oct 94 09:22:46 CST Organization: University of Texas @ Austin Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. Any ideas? TIA. Ian Stirling. send mail either to printf@cix.compulink.co.uk, From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 17:09:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <1994Oct11.120947.6533@eisner> Date: 11 Oct 94 12:09:47 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Actually I thought that platform independent code was kept in a file specific to the new port. Ie. CKVTIO.C is the VAX terminal I/O code. Other than that the functions those VAX specific calls get mapped to (ie. say: CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT on a vax called VAX_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT ) and any limitations imposed by the CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT wrapper why should there by a problem. burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 02:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:02:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:02:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: backslashing numbers Message-Id: <1994Oct11.082901.29456@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Oct 94 08:29:00 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In MS-DOS Kermit command line arguments which are numbers can be expressed as 123 or \123 (decimal) or \x5c (hex) or \o67 (octal). The backslash is used to inform the parser of a following numeric and of the base of it. If there the context is unambiguous and the base is 10 then no backslash is necessary. But echo Beep\7 to you guys needs the backslash to mean binary 7 in this case. Deep down in the code the number converter really wants a leading backslash. In almost every place (excepting where I forgot) in the program where a number is expected the code accepts one without a backslash and the code prepends a missing one. Adding a backslash does no harm, but don't use two because, starting in MSK 3.14 that means a literal backslash, as in C. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 19:50:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:01:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:01:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jolomo From: jolomo@netcom.com (Joe Morris) Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Message-Id: Organization: The Future Fair X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:50:58 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 9 Oct 1994 23:23:52 -0400 Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have > gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I > know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my > question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a > feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party > programs, to nifty scripts, etc... The general-all-purpose solution I've gone with is "screen", ftp-able from prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu, which is a character-based-terminal screen manager. It gives you scroll-back as well as a million other life-saving features which I won't go into here, other than if you've never heard of it and you work on a Unix-like system, give it a look-over. Good luck -- -joe "Honey, they're in *everybody's* eggs" --firesigns From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 22:53:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 01:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 01:51:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 11 Oct 1994 16:53:57 -0600 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: >How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. >I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with >errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. >Any ideas? Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can, use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the Kermit side to work better with telnet. -Fozz -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 16:41:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:01:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:01:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!esseye!scholten From: scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten) Subject: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Message-Id: Organization: Smiths Industries Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 16:41:14 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17132 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4002 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:655 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: kermit: when I set the line, it either hangs or get a "communications disconnected message" That is all! taylor: when trying to dial out, I get a read/write error to the port. Now, I did discover that if I do an stty -f/dev/tty01 clocal, then taylor will dial out. But this only works 75% of the time. If somebody logs in, then I have to redo the clocal. The clocal doesn't seem to do anything for kermit. Are all these problems related to the getty running on BSD??? thanks for any help, Dave Scholten (please send email responses if possible) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 07:57:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Kermit distribution discussion, an apology Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@pan.UUCP (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:57:42 GMT Expires: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > >:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 >:-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) >:-To: ts@uwasa.fi >:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Posting a privately mailed message to the net news is an *extremely* low class thing to do. I am shocked that someone who claims to be such an experienced and knowledgeable person would stoop to such a thing. jw From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 07:48:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:48:47 GMT Expires: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people >>start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial >>restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get >>around them." > >Guess I missed that one. What I saw was more like people asking what >exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them. In message , posted by louk@teleride.on.ca >What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which >you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support >or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than >restricting distribution? > >Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand >these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. jw From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 11:27:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:30:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:30:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 12 Oct 1994 11:27:19 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in later versions? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 08:03:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:03:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:03:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!pipex!news.maz.net!news.ppp.de!news.Hanse.DE!lutzifer.hanse.de!wolfhh!ranahh!vg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: vg@ranahh.hanse.de (Volkmar grote) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <941005.220452.2v7.rusnews.w164w@ranahh.hanse.de> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:04:52 CET References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Me - organized ??!? X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.06/UUPC Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. > > It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If > it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The > proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell > 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? I would love it. I still miss my 1/2" tape drive and the TK50. The debate seems to turn constructive :-| Volkmar -- vg@ranahh.hanse.DE Volkmar Grote, Gilbertstrasse 25, D-22767 Hamburg, Germany, +49-40-31 33 39 "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers." (nicked from Jim Harkins) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:28:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:28:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:28:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:28:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols > the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, > I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in > later versions? > No, it's not a joke. Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages pose a certain security risk. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:37:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:37:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:37:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:37:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <37gor5$669@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: > >How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. > >I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with > >errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. > >Any ideas? > > Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you > can, use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the > Kermit side to work better with telnet. > I think the question was "how do you do it?". The answer is: use Kermit's TELNET command. Or if we are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, use the SET PORT TCP command. It's all in the documentation. In case this is not clear: use Kermit *instead of* Telnet. As far as performance is concerned, it varies. On some connections I get effective file transfer rates of about 1MB/sec, on others (e.g. cross- country or international connections during busy times), much lower. As usual, there are many, many variables. Also, not all TELNET connections are 7-bit. Try normal file transfer settings, and use long packets and a big window size; tell both Kermits to SET FLOW NONE since TCP and IP handle flow control themselves quite nicely. If it doesn't work, then you probably do have a 7-bit connection, in which case tell Kermit to SET PARITY SPACE. If you are talking about "Kermit in the middle", in CONNECT mode between two other systems, then (a) be sure you tell this "middle" Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET COMMAND BYTESIZE, and (b) be sure you are using version 5A(190), which performs much better in this situation than previous releases. One of the big plusses of Kermit software is that the same program works uniformly over serial and network connections -- script programming and all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:40:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:40:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:40:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37gp0m$6cr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten) writes: > This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I > am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial > out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: > If there is a getty running on the same tty device, shut it down before attempting to dial out. Then, if desired, put it back after your dialout session is finished. The best way to do this is to wrap Kermit in a shell script that does whatever your system requires in order to shut down and restart getty on a device. As you might imagine, details vary wildly from one UNIX implementation to the next, from one release of the same UNIX implementation to the next. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:50:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:53:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:53:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!adasoft.ch!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Message-Id: <-CxJv1B.17G@adasoft.ch> Control: cancel Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:50:23 GMT Approved: news@adasoft.ch Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:51:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:54:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:54:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!adasoft.ch!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Message-Id: <-CxJvG6.19D@adasoft.ch> Control: cancel Reply-To: jw@pan.UUCP (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:51:18 GMT Approved: news@adasoft.ch Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 12:59:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:59:15 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >later versions? Well, I don't use the Enq (Control-E) anymore but I used to, a few years back, on a favorite TBBS board. If you set a username/password in MS-Kermit, I *believe* that is what the Control-E received from the host will send out. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 03:32:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:42:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Message-Id: <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 09:32:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols > the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, > I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in > later versions? ------------ Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning the response and letting the user turn it on or off. The most common use of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as not a wise thing to do. My advice is forget that answerback ever existed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 04:16:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:49:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:49:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!loghost.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Message-Id: <1994Oct12.101609.29630@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 10:16:09 MDT References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: > > > >>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. >>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with >>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. >>Any ideas? > > Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can, > use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the > Kermit side to work better with telnet. ------------ I think I need to make three corrections here. First, Kermit works fine simulating an 8-bit comms channel over a 7-bit channel, by design. Second, Telnet is almost always an 8-bit channel these days, needing only doubling of IAC (\255) or Kermit prefixing of \255 to prevent unwanted Options stuff. Rlogin is a different animal than Telnet, with its own protocol requirements. Some rlogins are easy to get along with and forgive the protocol omissions, others aren't. And, as most of us know, rlogin is a fat security hole. The reader above is perhaps confusing telnet and rlogin facilities peculiar to Telebit Netblazer modem pools, rather than Unix capabilities. Third, I think the original question was how to start a Telnet session with C Kermit. The answers are a) read the fine manual and release documentation, and b) give command Telnet host on modern C Kermits. We don't know which version of C Kermit and which Unix you are running so we will pause to see if you have enough information now. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 21:33:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:33:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:33:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Intel Modem Script for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:33:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 143 Message-Id: <37hkn0$gcv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A copy of a manual for the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem" showed up here recently. This is a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis + MNP etc internal data/fax modem for PCs. Based on the info in manual, the following dialing script is postulated, but completely untested, for MS-DOS Kermit. Questions: 1. Does it work on the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem"? 2. Does it also work on the Intel Satisfaxion modem? 3. Does the modem indeed "autobaud" at 57600 bps for AT commands? Please reply to me personally, rather than to the list. Thanks! ---(cut here)--- ; FILE INTEL14.SCR ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Intel High-Speed Internal ; Faxmodem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. The modem is set up ; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback. RTS/CTS flow ; control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 ; Macro to try to get attention of modem's command processor ; at the given speed, or if no speed given, at the current speed. ; define atok - if not def \%1 assign \%1 \v(speed), - set speed \%1, - echo Trying \%1..., - output ATQ0V1\13, - input 3 OK, - end \v(status) set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second atok 57600 ; Autobaud... if fail atok 38400 if fail atok 19200 if fail atok 9600 if fail stop 1 Can't get modem's attention. output AT E1&C1&D2&S0X4\92V2\13 ; Echoing, result codes, etc. chkok {Can't initialize modem} echo Configuring Intel Faxmodem... out ATB1+FCLASS=0 S7=85 S25=50\13 chkok {Can't set data modulation} echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT \92\G0\92Q3\13 chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} set flow rts/cts echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK... output AT Y0\92K1\13 chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT \92J0\92N3%C1"H3\13 chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define _modcmd end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define _modcmd end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of INTEL14.SCR From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 21:59:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:08:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:08:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!braver From: braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:59:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 51 Message-Id: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnolia.cs.berkeley.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:667 comp.dcom.modems:67902 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport specific dialing script. I presume that if others have had difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by now. However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to this effect so AT&T will replace the unit). Here are the details: The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect" and issue AT commands by hand. However when I attempt to dial a number via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message: No DSR signal - check your modem and cable According to the script, this message is being generated because a "wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that sets the port speed. If I modify the script to pause for a longer period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal, then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when it reaches the following lines: set flow rts/cts output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the 'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't accept the "AT..." command. With these two pauses in place, everything else works fine. According to the various kermit help files, this type of behavior is indicative of a "modem problem". However, if there really is a "problem" with this line of modems, I would expect that the DATAPORT.SCR script would have the appropriate pauses to take this poor behavior into account. So, have any of you had similar problems, or heard of such problems, with the internal version of this modem? If you haven't had problems with it, I'd also like to know so I can get AT&T to replace mine. The modem, incidentally, is being used in a Compaq Deskpro 386/20, with the standard COM2=2F8h, and no apparent IRQ or other conflicts within the machine. Thanks for the help, Michael Braverman braver@cs.berkeley.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 23:11:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:11:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 155 Message-Id: <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal > AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the > Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport > specific dialing script... > Thanks for the report. If anybody else has had these problems, they have not reported them. The first problem "wait 0 dsr" resulting in "please turn on or connect your modem", means your modem is not asserting DSR. I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me". Evidently this is no longer the default on some modems. Solution: just remove these WAIT 0 statements from the script. As to needing a pause after SET FLOW RTS/CTS, maybe the thing to do here is "wait 5 cts" -- this should make Kermit wait up to five seconds for CTS to appear, but in any case no longer than necessary. If it does not appear after five seconds, we've got a problem anyway! Please try this amended script and let me know if it's OK: ---(cut)--- ; FILE DATAPORT.SCR (MSMDATAP.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the AT&T / Paradyne Dataport ; 14400 modem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.11 or later. The modem is set ; for V.32bis, compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS ; flow control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; ; Rename this file to DATAPORT.SCR if necessary. ; ; To use: SET MODEM=DATAPORT (in DOS, before starting Kermit) ; or: DEFINE _MODEM DATAPORT (in Kermit, before dialing) ; and: Make sure Kermit executes the standard MSKERMIT.INI file. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, September 1993 ; Revised Oct 94. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600 bps. ; NOTE: This modem doesn't seem to have a command for locking the ; interface speed. But it seems to do it anyway. ; set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} ; X6 = Verbose result codes, show modulation speed ; &C1 = CD follows RS232 ; &D2 = DTR follows RS232 ; &Q0 = Asynchronous data mode, use AT command set ; S84=0 = Normal ERROR response to bad commands output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = V.32bis with fallback chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} output AT \92N7%C1\13 ; Compression and EC enabled chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} output AT \92K5\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer - try again later} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of DATAPORT.SCR From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:10:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:13:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:13:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct12.191022.29706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 19:10:22 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:669 comp.dcom.modems:67921 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu>, braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > Greetings, > > I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal > AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the > Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport > specific dialing script. I presume that if others have had > difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by > now. However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to > see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could > just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to > this effect so AT&T will replace the unit). > > Here are the details: The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect" > and issue AT commands by hand. However when I attempt to dial a number > via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes > with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message: > > No DSR signal - check your modem and cable > > According to the script, this message is being generated because a > "wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that > sets the port speed. If I modify the script to pause for a longer > period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal, > then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when > it reaches the following lines: > > set flow rts/cts > output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 > chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} > > If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the > 'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't > accept the "AT..." command. With these two pauses in place, everything > else works fine. Frank has a much fuller response. But I'll make a guess that the modem is of the kind with is unusually slow to respond after making certain changes. The RTS/CTS problem looks that way, and so does the DSR item. We've heard of cases where a command string, say ATDT blah, needs to go out very slowly (down to four characters per second) or characters are dropped. For this purpose we added command SET OUTPUT PACING . Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 17:15:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:15:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Date: 12 Oct 94 22:15:02 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I once took of a publishing house. They showed us a video on the book production process. Pages are pasted up in groups of 8 per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses. Folding and trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages. These are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding. I asked about ring/loose leaf. What they do is take the glued signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes, then cut off the glued binging. It is these extra operations which make mass produced ring binding more expensive. Hope this helps. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 15:00:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:14:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:14:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct12.210048.29720@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 21:00:48 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR > used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me". Evidently this is no > longer the default on some modems. Solution: just remove these WAIT 0 > statements from the script. VMS has always thought that DSR means "I've picked up the phone; get ready for carrier". If the modem asserts DSR and doesn't assert CD within about 30 seconds or so, VMS assumes that it got a voice call and deasserts DTR to tell the modem to hang up the phone. Needless to say, this causes lots of extra traffic in comp.os.vms as folks with PC modems try to get them running with VMS... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:01:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:01:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:01:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script for redialing Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:01:02 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37ieue$a38@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <17047EC28S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes: >I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11. I want to know if anybody has a script >file that will make the modem redial? > Not exactly a script file. How about a one word command? define go dial 18005551212, while failure {dial 18005551212}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect Then I can just say go and the computer rings the bell when the connection is made. Actually, with my modem the second command is while failure {dial L}, because ATDL dials the last number. Don't know if that's universal, though. I'm using C Kermit. I presume the command language for PC Kermit is similar. -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:35:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:43:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:35:00 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37igu4$4m5@lucy.infi.net> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> <1994Oct12.101609.29630@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: : > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: : > : > : > : >>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : >>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : >>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. : >>Any ideas? As well as what was said before, if you use C-kermit, the command: set host will work. I've done it a few time last week. For instance: set host compuserve.com Works. Then, to connect just: c and it connects you to CompuServe. -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:24:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:10:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit Command files... Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:24:57 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <37igb9$1a3b@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do you make Command files? under the File menu, there's an option to Take Command File. when i first got an ancient version of MacKermit, it came with a script to automatically dial up the terminal server here on campus and one to disconnect. these were supposed to be loaded using this option and seemed to work fine, even after i changed them to just dial numbers i wanted. however, now they don't work anymore, not even the original versions! i'm not sure if it's because i upgraded to a newer version of MacKermit (0.991(190)), or because i just got system 7, but i now get "application 'unknown' has unexpectedly quit due to error number 28" or somesuch... so, is there a way of making a working command file? and a related question - can i load the terminal settings at the same time as the commnad file? either by including an instruction in the script to load the terminal settings or somehow combining the two files? Thanx, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu 1) There was a young girl from Peru 2) There was a young man from Verdun Whose limericks stopped at line two -- Martin Gardner "Aha, Gotcha!" From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 08:01:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:19:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:19:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 13 Oct 1994 08:01:01 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 42 Message-Id: <37ipft$177@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct10.080603.29320@cc.usu.edu> <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: >> >>>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >>>Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. >>> >>>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >>>hardware, not BIOS. >>> >>>Any other ideas? >> >> Try: >> >> SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 >> >> before starting Kermit. >> >> If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your >> Kermit invocation. >------------- > Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer >used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related >to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer. > But thanks for assisting. > Joe D. > I should have added more to that reply. I find most people are using Package Script menu programs like EasyKermit and are not cognicent of exactly what mode they are in when the screen updates "seem" slow. That's why I said try it and see. I will admit that I have had some confusion as to whether this effects connect mode when you connect from a script. I believe your answer clears this up for me. Thank you, Joe and I apologize for my brevity and lack of illumination. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 09:01:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 07:53:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 07:53:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!unicorn.nott.ac.uk!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:01:54 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet >has been challenged. > > Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >explanation of the acronym was given. > > Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz? > > Thank you. > >reflib@enh.nist.gov Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming sort of character." ... From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 12:43:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:35:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:35:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Keywords: WinSock TCP SLIP NetManage Chameleon Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:43:24 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news software here seem to have prevented it from going out] I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit over this TCP connection. From reading the manual, I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety of connections beyond straight serial through a UART, things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit. Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this? Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? Thanks. --Mike Ciaraldi P.S. I like the new Kermit icon. But what is that grey rectangle in the lower right, next to his collar? Is that the horizon line? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 14:27:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:40:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:27:13 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) where they found it? Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? Does Digital Press plan on perusing this newsgroup or could someone who knows someone suggest that it might not be a bad marketing move to at least lurk around here from time to time? In case it isn't obvious, I have a looooooooooong list of establishments where the book isn't. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 12:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:45:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:44:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!charon.citicorp.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:22:34 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: >The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I >once took of a publishing house. They showed us a video on the >book production process. Pages are pasted up in groups of 8 >per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses. Folding and >trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages. These >are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding. > >I asked about ring/loose leaf. What they do is take the glued >signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes, >then cut off the glued binging. It is these extra operations >which make mass produced ring binding more expensive. > >Hope this helps. > >Gerry Belanger > *Wow*! Thanks Gerry :-) I had always thought ring binding would be about the same - I had no idea that they glue-bound the books ANYWAY, and *then* chopped the ends off... Pretty neat if you ask me! ;-) Ken, feeling more knowledgeable today than yesterday... :) kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 14:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:46:39 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs hangup correctly. I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 users. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 07:25:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:34:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:34:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 94 12:25:22 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 17 Message-Id: <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit > book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) > where they found it? > > Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? That's how I got my copies. The Kermit books also carry Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore. Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X. Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3. Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort a little more. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 04:28:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:41:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:41:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 10:28:28 MDT References: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) writes: > [ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news > software here seem to have prevented it from going out] > > I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link > from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included > telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit > over this TCP connection. > > From reading the manual, > I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety > of connections beyond straight serial through a UART, > things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell > from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports > is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit. > > Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this? > Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? ------------ I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing. Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol stack and whatever they choose to do about attaching to a lan adapter board. Above the winsock api level are many applications which are dependent on the winsock TCP/IP stack to communicate anywhere at all. Again, this is 100% Windows-only stuff (not to mention 16-bit vs 32-bit Windows-only differences). Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not associated with winsock. If your work requires a winsock compatible TCP/IP stack then please look around at the many commerical offerings. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 18:10:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:10:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:10:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:10:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <37jt72$e7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: > In article <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > > > Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit > > book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) > > where they found it? > > > > Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? > That's how I got my copies. The Kermit books also carry > Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore. > Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X. > Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3. > > Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort > a little more. > Yes, Kermit books can be ordered direct from Columbia (see below). The confusion with the bookstores came about because the original Digital Press, which was part of Digital Equipment Corporation, was divested by Digital and bought out by Butterworth-Heinemann, which in turn is a "member of the Reed Elsevier Group". Unfortunately, most bookstores do not know about this yet. When they run out of Kermit books and go back to Prentice Hall (distributor for the original Digital Press, but not for Butterworths) (confusing?) to redorder, they are told that the book is "out of print" and are not referred to Butterworths. We have been trying to get this situation rectified, but I have no concrete proof that matters have improved. Bookstores should contact Butterworth Heinemann / Digital Press, 225 Wildwood Street, Woburn, MA 01801, USA, phone +1 800 366-2665. Individuals can also order by calling this toll-free number. The Prentice Hall ISBN numbers are no longer valid. The valid ISBNs are: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" 1-55558-082-3 "Using C-Kermit" 1-55558-108-0 "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" 0-932376-88-6 Similarly, DEC order number (EY-xxxx-DP) are no longer valid and the books can no longer be ordered from DECdirect. Butterworth Heinemann overseas phone numbers are: +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) You can order direct from Columbia by calling +1 212 854-3703 or by sending in an order form. Send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for further information. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:32:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:00:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:00:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1994Oct13.113223.29783@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 11:32:23 MDT References: <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup > command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset > DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs > hangup correctly. > > I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup > macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. > > I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 > users. ---------- Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly" mean in this case? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 21:04:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:04:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:04:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Date: 13 Oct 1994 21:04:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or comp.protocols.kermit.announce. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 17:49:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:49:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!RWR-PHYSIOL.MED.UPENN.EDU!RATZLAFF From: RATZLAFF@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ron Ratzlaff) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:16:29 Organization: Dep't Physiol., University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rwr-physiol.med.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when I'm trying to make a plot. Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? Any help appreciated. I'm using Kermit ver 3.13 for MS-DOS. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 22:10:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:10:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:10:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: > I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have > Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem > is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to > make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters > are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be > something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable > when I'm trying to make a plot. > What kind of printer is it? Is it a serial or parallel printer? Is it a graphics printer? Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem connected to? A VAX port? A LAT box? Some other kind of terminal server? Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics printer driver installed? As you can see, there are many variables here. But in general the key is to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port, the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected connection). And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC). As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control. Who said data communication was easy? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 22:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:18:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:18:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:18:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37kbo9$7hq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, > that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means > of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is ^^^^^^ Oops, I meant: former > much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS > system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem ^^^^^^^^ Oops, I meant: RTS/CTS Too much coffee... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 18:42:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:32:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:32:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:42:13 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 70 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Braverman's question about the AT&T Dataport dialing script has prompted me to offer the following observations on the current batch of MS-Kermit dialing scripts. Currently I patch all the scripts to suit my own preferences so partly this note is in hopes that Columbia will see things my way and incorporate some of these suggestions into their standard distribution. :-) There's also a question or two buried in the following that I'd like answered. And lastly, I hope others working with these scripts may find a useful idea or two. Sorry the post is so long. 1. I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back. For example, with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the dialing script compares the response to CONNECT. The comparison fails, and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer. Try again later." I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison. Yesterday, a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0 connect" to "reinput 2 connect". Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says the timeout interval on the reinput command is ignored. Line 1434 of KERMIT.BWR says "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text in the INPUT command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval) for more characters to arrive from the communication channel." Ok, so, after waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison again? Or perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a match and so is willing to wait for more characters? If so, I can adopt my student friend's solution which is more elegant than pausing in every case. If not, then why does changing the timeout interval to 2 work? In any case, I suggest the standard HAYES.SCR should be changed to account for these slow modems. 2. I find the noise level of the scripts irritating. (In my opinion) they should not automatically set input echo on. Similarly, the scripts that echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving feedback that is not useful to the average user. True, this may be a matter of taste. My preference is for all this feedback to be controlled by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default. Increasing the noiselevel variable increases the feedback. 3. The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. 4. The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory. 5. Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. And for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing directory be respected. 6. I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing" if the initial contact fails. Again, those with more experience may convince me this is a bad idea. (I'm looking for guidance here.) But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help. Anyhow, unless someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement this strategy at Queen's. In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a vain hope.) I hope that some of the above suggestions will be useful to others and I welcome comments from Columbia and anyone else on these ideas. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 04:05:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:38:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:38:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 14 Oct 1994 04:05:18 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 34 Message-Id: References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk's message of Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:17:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: >In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to > spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you > advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us > money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would > include the universities, government agencies, research institute, > hospitals, convents, and orphanages. > Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. >Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the >distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government >agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to >be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the impression that distribution was already free to this list and indeed anyone who has access to the email system. There is no such thing as no-cost software. Every method of distribution has a cost. The Kermit copyright reserves the right to distribute on physical media at any non-zero price. They do not distribute on CD-ROM. So, the only way to get kermit on physical media, if you don't already know someone with the version you want, is to buy it on floppies from Columbia. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:21:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:21:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Got the 3.14 beta, a question Date: 14 Oct 1994 05:21:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37l4fv$6th@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I got the 3.14 beta and like what I see. No problems found yet, but one puzzling thing . . . if I jump into my editor, QEdit, by typing 'edit' at the command line, the modem hangs up. 3.13 didn't do this. What am I doing wrong here? --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:14:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:52:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:52:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Date: 14 Oct 1994 05:14:40 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37l440$2d6@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct13.113223.29783@cc.usu.edu> <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup >> command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset >> DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs >> hangup correctly. >> >> I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup >> macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. >> >> I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 >> users. >---------- > Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly" >mean in this case? > Joe D. > I have had this problem with all brands of modems. The problem is that hangup drops the DTR line to hang up but only in Connect mode does it bring the line back up. In Command and Script mode once hangup drops DTR is stays down. I am using Communications port 1. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:19:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 03:09:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 03:09:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!tedm From: tedm@agora.rdrop.com (Ted Mittelstaedt) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:19:52 GMT Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17151 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4036 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:694 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Scholten wrote: >This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I >am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial >out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: > If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port please tell me! :-) Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP, I installed FreeBSD 1.1 from the CDROM and the default sendmail.cf only seems to know how to send SMTP mail, at least I don't see the uux transport program listed anywhere. Right now I'm trying to hack it together with the O'Rilley book on Sendmail, and a couple of examples from a Sun box, and I really don't want to spend a week or two rewriting sendmail,cf if someone has already done it. Thanks, tedm@agora.rdrop.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 09:16:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:16:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:16:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!htnguyen From: htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 14 Oct 1994 09:16:06 GMT Organization: Cal State Long Beach Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: grover.cecs.csulb.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. -- Huy Nguyen (htnguyen@csulb.edu) Network Administrator Career Development Center Califonia State Univeristy Long Beach From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 10:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 06:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 06:50:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 14 Oct 1994 10:48:03 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 40 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 12 Oct 94 09:32:20 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >> later versions? >------------ > Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of >being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not >quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning >the response and letting the user turn it on or off. What? If you supect someone unautorized may maliciously edit your MSCUSTOM.INI then surely having them change the answerback is the last of your worries. > The most common use >of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as >not a wise thing to do. The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some preferences to be configured per location rather than per user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default opening menu. At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT" response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is messy but it works. It also means that we have to enable the APC facility. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 23:07:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 07:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 07:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct13.180737.1123@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 18:07:37 -0500 References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) writes: > In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, billy@mix.com wrote: >> In article Ken Udut >> writes: >> >> > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and >> > print a nice binder? >> >> Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't >> seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference >> in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) >> would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. >> >> Billy Y.. >> > > It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages > (either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and > handier). [snip] > > I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how > to program Pascal. But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper > and glue binding. Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first > or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight > holding it down, while typing! Hmm, those recent Borland manuals are a new kind of glue-back that's much better than the older ones. They're less controllable than ring bindings but they lie a lot flatter then the ordinary kind. For years, I've cut the backs off manuals and punched them either for ring binders or for plastic comb-backs. Had to do that with the Kermit manual, but I found Turbo Pascal 6 and 7 usable as is. At least, propped up between the keyboard & monitor, they stay open where I put them. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 11:16:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 08:21:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 08:21:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!survis.surfnet.nl!Xander.Jansen From: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH In-Reply-To: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> X-Sender: jansen@SURFnet.nl Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Phone: +31 30 310290 Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Address: "Cluetinckborch, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Telefax: +31 30 340903 Organization: SURFnet bv References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:16:31 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 14 Oct 1994, One from the West wrote: > I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now > everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when > you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone > enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using 2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with the 14k4 modem not. Perhaps it has something to do with speed buffering and old UARTS ? Xander From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:42:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Relgious war: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:42:09 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 44 Message-Id: References: <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 12 Oct 1994 13:28:37 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article >B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >> later versions? >> >No, it's not a joke. Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages >pose a certain security risk. This has the makings of a Relgious war :-( Answerback messages per-se do not pose a security risk. Remotely configurable answerback strings do and I'm not proposing this. Programming your password into the answerback string is (without overstating the obvious either) stupid - anyone who does that deserves everything they get. [The following is also posted to another branch of this thread - sorry] The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some preferences to be configured per location rather than per user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default opening menu. At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT" response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is messy but it works. It also means that we are forced to enable the APC facility (now _that_ *is* a security hole). -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:46:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:46:13 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU's message of Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:16:29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >I'm trying to make a plot. > >Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w problem not a handshake problem. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:42:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:42:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:42:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 14 Oct 1994 14:42:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 14 Message-Id: <37m5bq$1re@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: |Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM |hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high |speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using |2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with |the 14k4 modem not. Same problem here as well. I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an Intel external 14.4k modem. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:36:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:45:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:45:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!zippy.dct.ac.uk!ccdarg From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Message-Id: <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 14 Oct 94 15:36:10 +0100 References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Organization: University of Abertay Dundee (DIT) Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: > In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: >> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >>explanation of the acronym was given. > Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer > Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: > > "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when > we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming > sort of character." ... Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal Microcomputer Interface Terminal" That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being sued of course :-) -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 Int +44 382 308810 -- Pavlov's dog: the runt of the litter? -- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:39:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:07:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail From: tmottone@cc.helsinki.fi (Teemu Mottonen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:39:36 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 27 Message-Id: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Nntp-Posting-Host: plootu.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS and when executed directly from the Program Manager. The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART after running the first script ? The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. The PC is a 486DX-33. Thanks in advance, Teemu Mottonen. -- Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 16:41:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:41:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:41:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta News and Update Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:41:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <37mcau$n1h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:704 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to everyone for the quick reports concerning MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-2 dropping DTR (hanging up) when given a PUSH, RUN, etc, command. This problem is now fixed, and a new mstibm.zip file was installed in the kermit/test/bin directory on kermit.columbia.edu as of about 12:20pm Eastern (USA) time, Friday, October 14, 1994. This one identifies itself as Beta-3, 14 Oct 94. It is also available in text format as mstibm.boo and mstibm.uue in the kermit/test/text directory, and these two have also been installed in KERMSRV on CUVMA for BITNET/EARN/CREN access. As mentioned in the original announcement, the ZIP file contains subdirectories, and so in order to unzip it and preserve the directory structure, which is ESSENTIAL to correction operation, you might have to give your unzipping program a special switch to enable directory creation, for example: pkunzip -d mstibm.zip Otherwise you'll get lots of warnings about READ.ME files overwriting each other, and you won't get the needed directory structure. Yesterday's ZIP file contains a "draft" dialing script for the Intel High Speed FaxModem, INTEL14.SCR. This is completely untested; if you have one of these modems, I'd appreciate it if you would test the new script and let me know the results. I'd also like to know if it works on other Intel models, such as the Intel SatisFaxion. Today's ZIP file adds another untested draft dialing script, FASTALK2.SCR, for the Motorola FasTalkII. Test results needed. If any Israelis or Russians (or other people who use the Hebrew or Cyrillic alphabets) are reading this newsgroup, I'd like reactions to the new Hebrew and Cyrillic support. If any Japanese people are reading and have been able to test the Kanji terminal emulation in DOS/V, reports would be appreciated. However, it is presently a restriction that the Kanji terminal emulation does not work with Nikkei Telecom database services. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 03:43:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 09:43:27 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the messages on DTR dropping when going to DOS. Indeed, it did. It's fixed in "beta-3 14 Oct 1994" appearing on kermit.columbia.edu today. For the technically curious, the problem was turning on UART loopback while testing for 16550A-ness and vicinity, in the hope of shutting off babble from the outside during the examination. I added this last week but did not check for the side effect that the handshake lines might all drop too. So I don't turn on loopback anymore after this morning and thus DTR stays high/asserted/true/"1". If I could ask a favor of people submitting bug reports, it is that you also send a copy directly to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu. NEWS takes about a day to make its way out here in Utah but mail is much quicker. ------ Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That is a security hole. We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get the idea sooner or later. Thanks for the feedback and keep those reports coming, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:58:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:58:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:58:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:58:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 113 Message-Id: <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at > GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back. For example, > with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the > dialing script compares the response to CONNECT. The comparison fails, > and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer. Try again later." > After the dialing command (ATD...) is given, the script waits for a linefeed (presumably the one that terminates the echo from the ATD... command) and then another linefeed. Whatever is in between should be the modem's response. I don't understand how, after receiving the linefeed that comes *after* the CONNECT message, characters could be missing from the end of "CONNECT". Nevertheless... > I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison. > Yesterday, a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0 > connect" to "reinput 2 connect". Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says > the timeout interval on the reinput command is ignored. Line 1434 of > KERMIT.BWR says "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text > in the INPUT command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval) > for more characters to arrive from the communication channel." > The .BWR file is right. > Ok, so, after waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison > again? Or perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a > match and so is willing to wait for more characters? If so, I can adopt > my student friend's solution which is more elegant than pausing in every > case. > It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case, and it will probably have the desired effect. Since you have access to a modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the results back to me. I'd also like to see a session log of a manual dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular Hayes modems. > I find the noise level of the scripts irritating. (In my opinion) they > should not automatically set input echo on. Similarly, the scripts that > echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving > feedback that is not useful to the average user. True, this may be a > matter of taste. My preference is for all this feedback to be > controlled by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default. > Increasing the noiselevel variable increases the feedback. > A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14 cycle. It is better for users to be informed about what is happening and to be able to see exactly where matters might take a bad turn, than it is to suppress verbiage for experienced user, who are certainly capable of finding ways to do this themselves :-). In a future release we might be able to add features to the program itself to control message levels. > The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled > by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. > Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is opaque to many users. Too late for 3.14. > The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since > that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory. > Yes they should. The trick is for them to restore the desired parity after the connection is made. This is supposed to happen in the improved DIAL macro supplied with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. > Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE > speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here > but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. > Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? > And > for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing > directory be respected. > Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed that is negotiated between the two modems. > I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing" > if the initial contact fails. Again, those with more experience may > convince me this is a bad idea. > It sounds like a good idea. We'll take a look at this one. > But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe > just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the > occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help. Anyhow, unless > someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement > this strategy at Queen's. > Does anybody have an example of a modem for which this treatment would be necessary? > In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge > that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a > vain hope.) > Not at all! As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and adding new ones. Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven and more tightly integrated with the program -- some kind of compromise between the current method and the way C-Kermit does it, neither one of which is perfect. Meanwhile, anything that you have which might be of general interest, feel free to post it or send it in. And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:08:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:37:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:37:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:08:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 31 Message-Id: <37mdtq$1s0@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, Alan Greig wrote: |In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: |> In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: | |>> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no |>>explanation of the acronym was given. | |> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer |> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: |> |> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when |> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming |> sort of character." ... | |Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs |claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal |Microcomputer Interface Terminal" | |That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being |sued of course :-) Frank da Cruz's book (cited above) gives the rest of the story -- the alternate definitions given for the name of Kermit, until they finally asked Henson Associates for permission to use the un-acronymed name. The acronyms were mostly attempt to retro-fit an explanation onto the string. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@eecs.umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 18:52:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:53:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:52:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:52:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <37mk27$4qu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) >writes: >> Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE >> speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here >> but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. >> >Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible >response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we >can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest >dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? > >> And >> for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing >> directory be respected. >> >Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting >modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed >that is negotiated between the two modems. The drawbacks of using the highest speed occur on systems which probably do not have a buffered UART or have high levels of interrupt activity (systems with network cards, multiple active serial ports, ...). It might be possible that even though RTS/CTS flow control is enable that the cables are missing the appropriate lines. Or that a terminal server on the other end of the connection does not use RTS/CTS flow control and can handle the data throughput at 38400, but losses characters at 57600. Or there might be bugs in the virtual device driver that simulates RTS/CTS to the application but doesn't implement it to the modem. In other words, there are circumstances outside of Kermits or the users control that make it desireable to have the dialing directory speed obeyed. It would be a simple change to to script to make the entry in the dialing directory the maximum speed used. Just an idea. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:30:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:58:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:58:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!world!brigc From: brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Organization: Southeast Kansas Library System, Iola, KS Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:30:20 GMT Lines: 18 > We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion >from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate th >situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get >the idea sooner or later. *FLAME* How can you expect us to react appropriately to someone who's entirely too civil? :) Thanks for the MS-Kermit, btw. Use it and like it. ...brig --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ People say I'm indecisive. Am I? I don't know. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:21:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:04:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:04:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!alpha2.csd.uwm.edu!randyd From: randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11 Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:21:47 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, Computing Services Division Lines: 13 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <37menb$91s@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.202 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13 the underlined video is no longer underlined. I have a old 286 with hercmono card. What could be the problem. The high intensity video works fine though. { Randy. randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu finger for 1024 bit pgp2.6 public key key fingerprint 6D A1 28 15 42 BE 9B 6C C0 1C 7E 88 A6 1E 3A B8 } From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:39:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:39:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:39:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!flowers From: flowers@msuvx2.memphis.edu (Harry Flowers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 12:39:51 -0500 References: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> Organization: The University of Memphis Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks > for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That > is a security hole. Where do you get this? The host may ask for terminal type without you being aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole. The string you place in answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is what you answer back". How is this a problem? Now, host *setable* answerbacks *are* a problem, since they come from your input buffer. You wouldn't want the host program putting delete commands in your answerback, and then doing the ENQ and exiting. This is indeed something you should not allow. As long as the user has complete control of what the answerback message is, if any, there isn't a problem unless the user creates one for himself. > We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion > from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the > situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get > the idea sooner or later. In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has already been posted (a way of getting a location profile). Kermit would have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support. Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a *flame*. ;-) -- Harry Flowers Internet:FLOWERS@CC.MEMPHIS.EDU or FLOWERS@NARNIA.MEMPHIS.EDU The University of Memphis, 112 Administration Bldg., Memphis, TN 38152 (USA) From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:35:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news.eecs.nwu.edu!bonomi From: bonomi@eecs.nwu.edu (Robert Bonomi) Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Message-Id: Sender: usenet@eecs.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:35:57 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, Alan Greig wrote: >In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: >> In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > >>> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >>>explanation of the acronym was given. > >> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer >> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: >> >> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when >> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming >> sort of character." ... > >Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs >claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal >Microcomputer Interface Terminal" > >That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being >sued of course :-) It *did* start with the -frog-, himself. The name is used _with_permission_ of the copyright holder. The "KL-10....." was fitted onto the name, -after- it was selected. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:10:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART Message-Id: <1994Oct14.111047.29915@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 11:10:47 MDT References: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI>, tmottone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen) writes: > Hi all, > > I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm > developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit > to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings > seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS > and when executed directly from the Program Manager. > > The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) > on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown > hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. > > It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know > what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to > disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by > patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI > settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART > after running the first script ? > > The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). > I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. > The PC is a 486DX-33. > > Thanks in advance, > Teemu Mottonen. > -- > Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki ------- Teemu, It's kind of difficult to guess here. Windows is controlling the physical serial ports and presents virtualized images to Kermit. One item needed by Kermit is the port i/o address (such as \x3f8), and Kermit obtains that either from the Bios work area in segment 40h (first four words are COM1...COM4 i/o addresses) or from the SET COMx Kermit command. If Windows or your Pascal program clears the seg 40h area then Kermit will produce this message. If Windows has the port allocated to some other task Windows may report 0's in seg 40h. Looking down their with debug or other means is a quick way to see what's happening. Does your Pascal program access the ports in any way? Source code for MSK 3.13 is available on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a. If modified then the patch file won't work anymore. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 09:35:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:17:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:17:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11 Message-Id: <1994Oct14.153543.29959@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 15:35:43 MDT References: <37menb$91s@uwm.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37menb$91s@uwm.edu>, randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) writes: > Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13 > the underlined video is no longer underlined. I have a old 286 with hercmono > card. What could be the problem. > > The high intensity video works fine though. -------- The problem is tied to the major shift of dealing with underlining in MSK 3.13. The mono case ought to have underlined, but the code apparently decides to "color" on mono instead. There will be no patch for this because MSK 3.14 is now being beta tested (hint: please try it and report back to me). Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 19:54:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:38:56 -0400 Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:54:53 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994. For your newsgroups file: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. The charter, culled from the call for votes: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 22:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:58:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:58:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!ctp.org!not-for-mail From: lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tektronix emulation question Date: 14 Oct 1994 15:46:59 -0700 Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried MS-Kermit 3.13. It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen. Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's) has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok. Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have this problem. Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics command set is not supported. Is this related? -- --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 11:17:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:13:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.171701.29983@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 17:17:01 MDT References: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu>, flowers@cc.memphis.edu (Harry Flowers) writes: > In article <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > writes: >> Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks >> for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That >> is a security hole. > > Where do you get this? The host may ask for terminal type without you being > aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole. The string you place in > answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is > what you answer back". How is this a problem? Maybe we can agree to differ on this host generated response from the client. > In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has > already been posted (a way of getting a location profile). Kermit would > have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support. > Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a > *flame*. ;-) Ok, I understand. And I suggested privately that a better scheme often is to let the host o/s, rather than the client program, provide a line identifier. After all, that is usually the comms link rather than a floppy or *.ini file wandering around the place. Still, the commentary is appreciated. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 20:33:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:01:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:01:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART References: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:33:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> tmottone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen) writes: >Hi all, > >I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm >developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit >to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings >seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS >and when executed directly from the Program Manager. > >The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) >on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown >hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. > >It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know >what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to >disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by >patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI >settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART >after running the first script ? > >The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). >I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. >The PC is a 486DX-33. > >Thanks in advance, >Teemu Mottonen. >-- >Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki I'm not a Windows user (I posess a 286 w/Deskmate :-) ), but I am aware of this problem. (and I may be wrong. Since posting wrong answers to questions provokes the right ones, I guess it can't hurt if I only have half of the picture!) As far as I understand, Windows grabs the interrupts used by the modem and passes it to the program using it. However, when you invoke Kermit again, Windows still has a hold on these interrupts and is HIDING your com port from Kermit. (I'm using simplistic terms, but this is how I understand it). I don't know how to release the interrupts. However, I do know that, if you have (in your mscustom.ini is fine) the command that directly tells Kermit what port to send it to (the x3f8 thing - I don't remember the syntax until I need to use it myself :> ), it should work anyhow. But making Windows release the com port would be hte best bet. I don't know how to, unfortunately. How far am I off, everyone? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:11:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-4 bug fix, announcement Message-Id: <1994Oct14.191139.29993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 19:11:39 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-4 14 Oct 94 of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 cures a nasty bug: Kermit will hang in an infinite loop if parity is set to other than NONE. Cause was a problem in the new Connect mode status line. Thanks to Bert Tyler, again, for spotting this early. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 00:50:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:18:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:18:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: Re: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct15.005026.14436@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 00:50:26 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) writes: >> I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link >> from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included >> telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit >> over this TCP connection. >> >> Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? >------------ > I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure >Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying >the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing. >Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support >program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol > Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not >a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and >used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit >protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not >associated with winsock. Thanks for the technical info, Joe. I had used Kermit over other TCP links by having it talk to the packet driver, but these drivers were always loaded under DOS. Since there were "shims" to convert between different interfaces specs, I was hoping there was either something that would make WinSock look like what Kermit needs, or that the Kermit protocol stack could be redirected somehow to go through WinSock. The TCP stack from NetManage is implemented as a Windows DLL, so I can see why it would not be accessible to a program like Kermit that is running in the DOS box. Thanks anyway. I will definitely continue to use Kermit for serial communications and for communication through TCP/IP limks that use packet drivers. --Mike Ciaraldi From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:13:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:21:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:21:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!nisevjo-slip1.nosc.mil!astewart From: astewart@arabian.sias.nosc.mil (Alan Stewart) Subject: Emulating odd terminal types Message-Id: Lines: 17 Sender: news@nosc.mil (Network News) Organization: NISE West X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 04:13:31 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types besides the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I think others will come up in the future. I know I could construct one but it would be nice to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap entries. -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Alan Stewart >-O-< Electronics Engineer | | Code 221 ~ ~ SHF SATCOM | | NISE West ~ ~ Software Support | | Bldg 509 ( ~ ~ ) U.S. Navy | | Vallejo, CA 94592 __|___ ___|__ Mare Island | | (707)646-8931 \____/ \____/ astewart@mare.nosc.mil | ------------------WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:02:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with 3.14 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:02:26 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it. Any suggestions? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:05:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pushing to dos and back again Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:05:26 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 6 Message-Id: <6KrdkuqcZBPH072yn@primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When you exit back from DOS to kermit, you have to hit a key, why? Ckermit for os/2 does not need this. Can we please make this consistant for macro writing reasons please? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:38:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:40:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: still a problem with beta 3 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:38:29 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-Id: <5prdkuqcZVH4072yn@primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am still getting my modem to hang up while it dials if I drop to dos. Maybe I want to check something while it is still waiting to connect. I am not using the dial script command rather I am using atdt commands withn connect mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:11:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:13:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:13:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation question Message-Id: <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 23:11:23 MDT References: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu>, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does > its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method > is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried > MS-Kermit 3.13. > It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen. > Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several > occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's) > has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed > these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok. > Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have > this problem. > Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics > command set is not supported. Is this related? > > -- > --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org ----------- ReGIS, as you probably know, is vastly different, and just plain vast, than Tektronix graphics. If your applications program is generating ReGIS commands then MS-DOS Kermit will not understand them. Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus I suggest having a little talk with it. I have no information about Tekterm, and you didn't say what it did vs what MSK did vs what the host asked to be done. Hence I'll pass on this item unless you have something to add here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 18:04:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:13:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 00:04:01 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > Hi, > > When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the > original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed > the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it. > Any suggestions? > -------- Yes, don't do that. There is no operational patch file during BETA testing. This is not release code yet. As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind of a macro. Hints are welcome. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 02:44:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:15:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:15:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:44:21 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk wrote: >In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >>are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >>something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >>I'm trying to make a plot. >> >>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole chunks of characters. I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to reboot my computer to stop it. I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's something else. >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w >problem not a handshake problem. I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. Any ideas? Joe? Thanks in advance, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 14:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:26:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!gisbert From: gisbert@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Gisbert W. Selke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with 3.14 Date: 15 Oct 1994 14:26:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37ooqf$j5b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea >what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind >of a macro. Hints are welcome. I think it is this: when in CONNECT mode and you do Alt-P or Alt-H - P or whatever to get to the command prompt, then enter EXIT to return to your session, Kermit prompts you with "Press space to continue ..." (at least, it has done so since many generations). It does *not* do so when PUSHing from Kermit's commdn line, btw! While the usefulness of this may be argued, it certainly has nothing to do with macro writing, since you cannot use a macro to something in connect mode, drop to DOS, have the macro talk to DOS, then re-connect *all macro-driven* etc. \Gisbert WIdO, Bonn, Germany From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:22:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!swalton From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Amiga C Kermit is available Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:22:20 GMT Organization: Cal State Northridge, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37ovjs$kta@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd just like to point out, briefly, that Amiga C Kermit 5A(190) is available for beta test on watsun in kermit/test/bin/ckiker.exe. It has the same Amiga console (ANSI) terminal emulation as before, but many bugs have been fixed and the DIAL, SCRIPT and RESEND commands now work. Bug reports can be mailed directly to me. Please install CKERMIT.INI and CKERMOD.INI in S: before using it. So far, the silence from Amiga C Kermit users has been deafening :-) . -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Oh no, not another one."---Heard frequently swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:39:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:39:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:39:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:39:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 178 Message-Id: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > chunks of characters. > I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the way to the printer. > I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or > I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my > Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to > the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, > with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to > reboot my computer to stop it. > This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate. > I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not > working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory > total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow > control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's > something else. > Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host application. The printer should be a parallel printer. DOS handles parallel printers very nicely, because the parallel interface has a flow-control ("busy") wire, and the DOS print driver pays attention to it. If you have a serial printer, all bets are off. (There are printer drivers for serial printers that provide Xon/Xoff -- one such driver is on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, but it's primitive and supports only COM1 -- if anybody wants to take a shot at beefing it up, let me know.) When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send it to the printer. If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help. That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself lose incoming data? There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control. Reason (1) was mentioned above. If you have a slow disk and the disk driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port interrupts are disabled. Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to have this problem (but there are no guarantees). Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit. You say your modem does not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff. So you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff". The rest of this discussion involves Xon/Xoff flow control, so those of you who are able to use hardware flow control -- which is always preferred and recommended -- can stop reading now. Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just like a game of catch. The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S (Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters. Who and where is the other player? (What if there IS no other player? The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled. If not, then after you throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!) The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error: propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors with distance. To illustrate, suppose you have 2400bps dialup connection, but (for some reason) there is a one-second propogation delay, or "reaction time" to an Xoff -- assuming it gets through at all (i.e. was not corrupted by noise). The printer tells the printer driver it is not ready for more data. Kermit finds out about this and sends an Xoff to the host. Meanwhile, since it will be a full second before the host receives and reacts to the Xoff, then up to 240 more characters might already be on the way to be printer. If any buffer between the host and the printer has less than that much room left, characters will be lost. So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay: Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow control "upstream". Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff". Since your modem is the device that is closest to the PC's serial port, then that would be where Kermit's partner in the "game of catch" should be positioned. BUT ONLY IF the modem has a way to tell the other modem to tell the "thing" that the other modem is attached to (etc etc...) to turn the flow of data off and on. This can be done in two ways. Error-correcting modems, i.e. those supporting protocols such as MNP, V.42, or PEP, can send flow-control protocol messages to each other (but then, these also support hardware flow control, so this is not relevant here). Some non-error-correcting modems have an option for "local Xon/Xoff flow control with pass-through" -- meaning that if they receive an Xoff signal from the PC, they will stop sending data to the PC (until they receive an Xon from the PC), and they will also pass the Xoff signal to the other modem, for delivery to the "thing that the modem is connected to". Both of these methods, of course, requires some buffering capacity in the modem (read your modem manual), and they also require cooperation from beyond the remote modem. What is the remote modem connected to? Let's say it's a terminal server. This is a good situation for us, because if we can set up flow control between Kermit and the terminal server, then the network protocol between the terminal server and whatever is "behind" it (network, host, operating system, application, etc) will take care of flow control (and error correction, and all the rest) for us -- these are features of terminal-server protocols such as TELNET, RLOGIN, and LAT. When you first make the connection to the terminal server and you see its prompt, give it a command to enable Xon/Xoff flow control. Of course the exact form of this command depends on the terminal server. Here are some examples: Cisco: terminal flow soft Annex (Xylogics): stty iflow xonxoff oflow xonxoff This will give you the most effective possible flow control on connection, but it won't be perfect. Xon and Xoff are ordinary data characters, subject to corruption by noise, which can result in deadlocks (when Xon is lost) or buffer overflows (when Xoff is lost). If you have a clean connection, though, then response should be quick and effective. The price you pay is the inability to use Xon and Xoff as ordinary data characters. This is important for EMACS users (Ctrl-S is used in Search and Save commands, Ctrl-Q is used in Quote and other commands), and it also prevents the use of file transfer protocols like X- and Ymodem, and probably also Zmodem unless you give it some special tweaking. But Kermit transfers will work fine (unless you have gone out of your way to "unprefix" Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Q and/or their 8-bit counterparts). Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther upstream, for example, at the host operating system. If you are connected directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice anyway. But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly. To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like: stty ixon ixoff -ixany In VMS, the commands are: set terminal /hostsync /ttsync /noreadsync On IBM Series/1, 4994, 7171 and similar 3270 protocol converters that provide dialup access to IBM mainframe full-screen sessions, Xon/Xoff flow control is generally a built-in feature that can't be disabled. > >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and > >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w > >problem not a handshake problem. > > I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file > transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try > packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. > You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file later, using the DOS PRINT command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:43:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:43:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:43:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulating odd terminal types Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:43:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <37p0rn$qf2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article astewart@arabian.sias.nosc.mil (Alan Stewart) writes: > Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types > besides the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I > think others will come up in the future. I know I could construct one > but it would be nice to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap > entries. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, announced yesterday for Beta testing, includes Wyse 50 terminal emulation. Wyse 60 in "Wyse mode" is the same as Wyse 50. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Note that terminal emulation is a lot more than a matter of what the keys send. In Kermit, you can make the keys send whatever you want them to using the SET KEY command. But there also has to be code within the program itself to parse and act upon incoming escape sequences, which are different for each kind of terminal: DEC, Data General, Wyse, Tektronix, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:19:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 10:19:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article , > B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk wrote: > >>In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: > >>>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >>>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >>>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >>>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >>>are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >>>something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >>>I'm trying to make a plot. >>> >>>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > chunks of characters. > > I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or > I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my > Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to > the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, > with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to > reboot my computer to stop it. > > I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not > working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory > total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow > control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's > something else. ------------- Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other information you think might be important. Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix box? There should be no packet length difficulties with a straight modem to modem, machine to machine, connection provided flow control is active at *all* points. I appreciate it is difficult to know what's on the remote system. The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the PC, whatnot. 640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program). If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded memory. Expanded memory via software must pin down where the expanded memory 64KB frame buffer is located, and that is something each user must attend to. Please don't use A000-BFFF since that's the domain of the video system. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 17:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:15:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:15:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.0 Date: 15 Oct 1994 17:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <37p2n3$s2t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anybody out there running AIX 4.1.0? If you are willing to check out C-Kermit on it, please send me email. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 17:18:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:36:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:36:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 15 Oct 1994 17:18:36 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 92 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37p2tc$8th@knot.queensu.ca> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to fdc for his responses. In the following, any line prefixed by two > is from my original post, one > is from Frank's reply, 0 > is new from me. |> It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case, |> and it will probably have the desired effect. Since you have access to a |> modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the |> results back to me. I'd also like to see a session log of a manual |> dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular |> Hayes modems. I'll contact the two users that I know had this problem and ask them to create a session log. One was a GVC 9600, the other a 9600 "Hayes compatible" CompuDyne (sp?). |> > I find the noise level of the scripts irritating... |> A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14 |> cycle... |> > The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled |> > by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. |> Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level |> rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is |> opaque to many users. Too late for 3.14. My complaints are minor and fit into the "gee, I wish ..." category. Not to belabour the point, I don't expect or require my users to understand Kermit variables. Instead, I give them a KCONFIG utility that asks various questions about their modem, etc. and edits their MSCUSTOM.INI file for them. I changed all the dialing scripts to use variables and so KCONFIG can also tailor the redial mechanism via MSCUSTOM.INI. |> > The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none... |> > |> Yes they should. The trick is for them to restore the desired parity... Great! Sounds like 3.14 gives me what I need. |> |> > Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE |> > speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here |> > but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. |> > |> Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible |> response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we |> can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest |> dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? |> |> > And |> > for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing |> > directory be respected. |> > |> Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting |> modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed |> that is negotiated between the two modems. Admittedly I do not understand all the complexities here although I do understand the difference between interface speed and modulation speed, thanks in large part to your great explanations in the original Kermit book. My observation is that on a 7/e/1 connection to an aging PACX that fronts a Series/1 interface to our IBM mainframe, increasing the DTE<->DCE speed *decreased* the file transfer rate. If memory serves correctly this was a problem on uploads only. And I have no doubt that there are plenty of other situations outside my experience that may require a less optimistic assumption than if the modem can go at 57600 let's ignore the DIALUPS.TXT table. Respecting the table makes it so much easier for unusual situations, and (apologies in advance for being presumptuous) is in keeping with the Kermit philosophy of making it work first and making it fast second. |> |> > In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge |> > that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a |> > vain hope.) |> > |> Not at all! As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and |> adding new ones. Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven... That would be really great! I've thought about doing that myself but so far my experience with modems makes me skeptical that I could really make it work. I even wonder if a better approach might be to hack HAYES.SCR so that the user could simply define a prefix string for his/her modem. For some of my users this may well be a good approach, e.g., because they already see an initialization string that "works" for their modem in another comm program. On the other hand, it also makes it very easy for somebody to shoot themselves in the foot so I'd probably just exchange one set of problems for another. |> |> And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release. Thanks again. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 18:25:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:25:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:25:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!news-server!hagar From: hagar@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 15 Oct 1994 18:25:16 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> <37m5bq$1re@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulam.engin.umich.edu In-Reply-To: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu's message of 14 Oct 1994 14:42:02 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>> In article , >>> wrote: >>> |Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM >>> |hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high >>> |speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using >>> |2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with >>> |the 14k4 modem not. >>> Same problem here as well. I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an >>> Intel external 14.4k modem. I have a similar problem on a Zeinth Z 425S+ running Windows 3.1, MsKermit 3.13 patch level 12, with Intel internal 14.4 modem on Com 2, but it only happens sometimes; most of the time its just fine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 18:38:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:21:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:21:57 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!survis.surfnet.nl!Xander.Jansen From: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") In-Reply-To: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Sender: jansen@SURFnet.nl Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Phone: +31 30 310290 Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Address: "Cluetinckborch, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Telefax: +31 30 340903 Organization: SURFnet bv References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:38:10 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 15 Oct 1994, Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article jhurwit@netcom.com > (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > > > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > > chunks of characters. > > > I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective > means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface > along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the > way to the printer. For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91: ----- Changes since pine 3.90. Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all) of the problems reported with version 3.90. IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the new feature: "preserve-start-stop-characters" . This is needed whenever your printer, modem, or async communications program is configured to use software flow control. Note that setting this feature will result in Pine appearing to "hang" if you accidentally type a ^S. The remedy for this situation is to type a ^Q. ----- Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation discussed (but you never know ;), it might help others using Pine and being plagued by missing characters when printing 'attached-to-ansi' or having other flow control pains. Pine 3.91 can be fetched from ftp.cac.washington.edu, directory pine. Xander - This message was brought to you via MSK 3.14 Beta3 and Pine 3.91 ;-) From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 19:29:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:29:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:29:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Semicolons Date: 15 Oct 1994 19:29:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37pajf$6kd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Luigi M Bianchi wrote: > I have set up the new version. Very good! Congratulations and, once > again, thank you for a job really well done, and for your continuing > generosity in releasing this marvelous software free of charge. > Thanks for the nice words. > And now for a little change (bug?) I noticed. The final couple of lines > in my mscustom.ini are: > > menu; > version; > > These used to work fine with 3.13. With 3.14 I must remove the ";" > or else an error message appears: '"menu;" not usable here'. > Not a bug, but a new feature, mentioned in section 19 of the KERMIT.UPD file. Trailing comments must have a space or tab before the semicolon. Before this change, it was very difficult to put a semicolon in a string, such as "get $disk0:foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;1;2;3;8;9;15c" -- all sorts of difficult quoting was needed, which varied with the macro/variable nesting level. Now we can write such items without any quoting at all, as long as there is no space before the semicolon. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 08:03:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:13:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:13:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation question Message-Id: <1994Oct15.140321.30029@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 14:03:21 MDT References: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the > screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus > I suggest having a little talk with it. Um, Joe, my Tek 4006 doesn't clear the screen unless you send it . A by itself doesn't do anything. -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 09:41:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK beta-5, announcement Message-Id: <1994Oct15.154115.30036@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 15:41:15 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-5 15 Oct 1994 of MS-DOS Kermit has several fixes for problems reported over the past twenty four hours. ESC character in \m(blah did not complete the name of the macro properly. The fix now allows ESC word-completion within \fxxx functions which take a macro name as an argument. Typing ^U at the Kermit prompt to erase the whole command line left a remanent which could be seen by typing BS. Goto label could find a label which was longer than the target but otherwise had the same spelling up to the match point. Beta-5 will be on kermit.columbia.edu Saturday evening or sooner. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 10:21:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:12:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:12:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK beta-5, more bugs fixed Message-Id: <1994Oct15.162101.30039@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 16:21:01 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Addendeum to the MSK beta-5 bug list fixes: SET EXIT WARNING is back to having a space between EXIT and WARNING. This will be changed to individual keywords in a day or so. Command EXIT now does not continue in a current Take file; it gets out all the way and exits Kermit (invoking macro on_exit if it exists). Tektronix command Control-L (Form Feed, FF) clears screen. I've commented it out just now. This command has been one of two screen clearing commands (the other is ESC ^L) for years and years with no complaints from anyone. I'm not sure of its heritage since Tek 4010 is implemented with sundry variations by many vendors. If you are happy and things don't break otherwise we will leave it out. We have a short list of more involved suggestions to consider and possibly implement, and that will take a day or two to finish. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 19:15:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:34:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:34:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ad891 From: ad891@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Thorsteinson) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Message-Id: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Reply-To: ad891@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Thorsteinson) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:15:56 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) says: > I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now >everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when >you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone >enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. > I have the same problem with 3.13 patch level 13. I got around it by switching hangup on DTR off on the Modem. /Bill Thorsteinson From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 00:06:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:07:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:07:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 00:06:55 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 13:10:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 22:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 22:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 19:10:17 MDT References: <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might > get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, > and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? -------- Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the sources appear at release time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 05:20:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:22:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:22:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:20:05 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 36 Message-Id: <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >-------- > Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >sources appear at release time. > Joe D. > Joe, You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would support that version of FOSSIL that was available. For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. Basically, I just wanted to know if you thought it might be worth the try. I'll read the documentation and fiddle with it if you think it may work. Also keep in mind the version. I have no idea how backwardly compatible your implementation was intended to be. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 05:23:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:47:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:47:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:23:42 GMT Lines: 15 Message-Id: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu G'day, I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as [12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ? Regards, Bi`nh -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 08:09:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 04:09:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 04:09:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!htnguyen From: htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 16 Oct 1994 08:09:03 GMT Organization: Cal State Long Beach Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37qn2v$dt2@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: grover.cecs.csulb.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you all for replying It is actually something caused by kermit. I have download a newer version of 3.14 and it work fine now. Still trying 3.14 :) -- Huy Nguyen (htnguyen@csulb.edu) Network Administrator Career Development Center Califonia State Univeristy Long Beach From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 10:08:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 06:10:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 06:10:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Date: 16 Oct 1994 10:08:52 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or : comp.protocols.kermit.announce. I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1). -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 14:49:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:49:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:49:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:49:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37rehv$f64@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or > reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, > such as [12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still > appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ? > Evidently PINE, and apparently also your newsreader, turn off flow control. Thus, if they are sending stuff faster than the PC can process, the PC sends an Xoff flow control signal to stop the flow while it catches up, and this signal is ignored. Workarounds: (a) Tell the host application NOT to turn off flow control. Reportedly, the command for this in PINE is "preserve-start-stop-characters". I don't know about your newsreader; (b) switch to hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control if your modem supports it -- it probably does. Solution (b) is preferable. See the long discussion of Xon/Xoff flow control in yesterday's postings to this group. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 14:54:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:54:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:54:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:54:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37reqn$fg1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking > if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether > there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would > support that version of FOSSIL that was available. > I can't say anything definitive here, not having seen a Z100 for a looooong time, but there is more to running the IBM version of Kermit on a Z100 than redirecting COM and console i/o through the BIOS. There are probably thousands of other IBM-specific actions taken by the IBM PC version of MS-DOS Kermit relating to the memory layout, video BIOS, interrupt vectors, keyboard, networks, and so on. In particular, I would not expect the IBM PC terminal emulation code to run on a non-IBM compatible PC. But I suppose it's always worth a try :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 03:17:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:13:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:13:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct16.091703.30066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 09:17:03 MDT References: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or > : comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > > I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT > directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1). > > -- > Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, > Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk ------ Earl, That's a gesture sure to save some bandwidth across the pond. Please note that the files will change daily (hourly) as we digest all the comments coming in. If testers with reports will please grab the latest beta before reporting a problem then it will save some time too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 03:30:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:16:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:16:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 09:30:06 MDT References: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>> >>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>-------- >> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>sources appear at release time. >> Joe D. >> > > Joe, > You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking > if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether > there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would > support that version of FOSSIL that was available. > > For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the > Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places > where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting > programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let > the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. > > So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen > and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. -------- Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then please let me know. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 17:23:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:23:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:23:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson wrote: |I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading |news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as |[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the |top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 20:06:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:11:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why no mouse suuport?? Date: 16 Oct 1994 20:06:38 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win? this would be very benificial! I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste! -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ * * * * * * tflynn@iastate.edu * * * * * * * @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 07:39:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:14:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Message-Id: <1994Oct16.133931.30076@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 13:39:31 MDT References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson > wrote: > |I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading > |news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as > |[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the > |top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > > I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 > on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET > SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't > fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow > control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data > overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. > It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, > and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. ---------- Serial port overruns yield a Control-G surrogate for one or more characters lost at the serial port. Consequences of this are control sequences, such as above, are fractured and show as text on the screen. Overruns occur if the port interrupts can't be serviced fast enough (the system is blocking interrupts for too long). Simple serial port buffer overlaps occur if the other side does not stop sending before the Kermit internal circular receive buffer fills; no Control-G's here. Both are out of the hands of Kermit and indeed a faster machine or tighter flow control through the entire system are called for. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 21:51:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:52:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:52:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.net!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:51:53 -0400 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 42 Message-Id: <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson > wrote: >|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading >|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as >|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the >|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > >I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 >on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET >SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't >fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow >control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data >overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. >It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, >and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at higher port speeds no matter what UART they have. I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text, even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my local provider. Your mileage may vary........ Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 22:46:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:29:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:29:34 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@rahul.net (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:46:17 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ken Udut (kudut@ritz.mordor.com) wrote: : There is another option. While displaying the cursor position isn't : practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions. I have used grabtext with good success with MSKermit, with two caveats. It does not work with NCSA Telnet. It collides with WordPerfect for DOS, but not other graphics programs. It should "disable itself" when a program tries to use the mouse, but WP doesn't play well with it. Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117 Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/ grbtxt12.zip B 9220 920826 Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 11:20:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Message-Id: <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 17:20:16 MDT References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 > on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET > SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't > fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow > control. One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While the modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the modem that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232 guys thought that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 11:21:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why no mouse suuport?? Message-Id: <1994Oct16.172140.30097@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 17:21:40 MDT References: <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > > Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win? > > this would be very benificial! > > I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to > see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste! --------- Text mode screens aren't like graphics mode screens. Kermit is not X windows. X windows has a whole protocol section on sending mice reports back and forth between host and client. Mice and VTxxx style text mode screens mix poorly in practice and the results hardly justify the program complexity, memory, and user docs explanations. If you have a mouse program which does all this for you then that's great. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 15:26:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:54:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:54:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC Date: 16 Oct 94 20:26:14 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored). This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen. PC: Packard-Bell 386-sx Modem: Practical Peripherals PM144MT II. Dos: Novell Dos 7.0 By setting Debug Session, I can caputure the sequences without the lockup. The offending sequences seem to be: ^[[H^[[2J This happens both on dialin to a unix machine, and a Dec Terminal server. MSK 3.13 does not have this problem. This also happened in 3.14 beta-3. Am I really doing something strange (other than using Novell 7.0)? Gerry Belanger Work email: gerryb@microvation.com. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 00:49:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:09:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:09:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!braver From: braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 17 Oct 1994 00:49:32 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 91 Message-Id: <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnolia.cs.berkeley.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:759 comp.dcom.modems:68285 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU >(Michael Braverman) writes: >> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal >> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the >> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport >> specific dialing script... >> > Stuff from Frank deleted... I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your time. I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my initial query, but without luck. I have identified two problems with the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script). Problem 1: After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script): 1 hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR 2 pause 1 ; for one second 3 set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. 4 if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. 5 echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). 6 :INIT 7 output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes 8 chkok {Can't get modem's attention} The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention". I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON, but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off. If I add a "wait 5 DSR" before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without difficulty past the error check in line 8. Question: What exactly is Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long? It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default, is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON setting). Problem 2: Later in the script we have the following lines: 1 output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13 2 chkok {Can't initialize modem} 3 output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control 4 chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem 5 wait 5 cts 6 if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} 7 set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now 8 output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = ... 9 chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} Everything is fine until line 9, which always gives the error message "Can't enable modulation fallback". The problem seems to stem from command in line 7 to enable flow control. If I put a "show comm" after line 7, kermit claims that both DSR and CTS are ON, so that's not the problem. If I put a "pause 5" after line 7 or if I comment out line 7 altogether, then the rest of the script continues on without any difficulty. Thus, there seems to be some sort of timing problem with the sending of an AT command to the modem directly after enabling Kermit's hardware flow control. General Comments: I would like to thank everyone who earlier sent suggestions about my modem/kermit woes. A popular suggestion was to add a line like: set output pacing 200 at the beginning of the script. Unfortunately, this was of no help (I even set the delay as high as 400) in either the original script or the newer one. At this point, I have the script working by adding the waits and pauses mentioned above, but I'd still like to hear from anyone with an Internal Dataport who has or doesn't have these types of difficulties so I would be able to confirm whether this is a hardware problem with the modem problem or just some strange problem with kermit and/or my computer. Thanks again for the help, Michael Braverman braver@cs.berkeley.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 01:03:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:30:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:30:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!zilker.net!icus!wiz.com!marc From: marc@wiz.com (Marc Wiz) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Message-Id: Organization: Wizywyg Software Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 01:03:04 GMT References: Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17184 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4057 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:760 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >In article , >David Scholten wrote: >>This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I >>am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial >>out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: >> > >If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port >please tell me! :-) Patches are available for Taylor 1.05 to use BSDI's bidirectional port locking mechanism. I have Taylor 1.05 running on my BSDI box with no problem. Now if only I can dig up the patches. Marc -- Marc marc@wiz.com Yes, that really is my last name. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 13:07:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:15:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:15:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, expanded memory notes Message-Id: <1994Oct16.190729.30110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 19:07:29 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A note to beta testers of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. I've received a number of comments about hangups when entering terminal emulation mode or rolling back a screen. So far as I can ascertain almost all of them are associated with using expanded memory to hold rollback screens. That's expanded (paged stuff) not extended. By default MSK 3.14 uses expanded memory if it is available; 3.13 used the other default. It is vital that the expanded memory page frame, all 64KB of it, be located where it will not interfere with other memory usage. The way to do that is tell your memory manager where to place it, usually with a frame= command line option. Don't put it in video memory, seg A000-BFFF. Don't assume the manager will pick a safe spot. Windows users must do the same, no matter what you said at DOS level, by lines such as these in system.ini [386Enh]: EMMPageFrame=EC00 <<< expanded mem page frame EMMExclude=C000-C007 <<< protecting stuff from managers EMMExclude=CE00-CFFF EMMExclude=A000-BFFF Notice the specific memory exclusions to protect things, such as lan adapter boards with shared memory. Microsoft's MSD or Quarterdeck's MFT can show memory layout. To see if expanded memory is your problem give the Kermit command SET TERM EXPANDED OFF before starting a Connect mode session. The rollback buffers will then be located in conventional 640K memory (at 4KB per screen). We have at least one case on record where a memory manager offered expanded memory services but did not offer a page frame for it. That's rather silly. Beta-6 will check for this case and decline to use expanded memory if it occurs. Memory management is the user's responsibility, and some practice is needed to get the most from it. I don't have the time to diagnose mem managers by remote control, so I wish you luck with the chore. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 18:05:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:08:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:08:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC Date: 16 Oct 94 23:05:46 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.230546.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu>, belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: > I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc > to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored). > This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen. After reading jrd's post on expanded memory, I tried SET TERM EXPANDED OFF and I no longer lock up. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 15:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:13:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:13:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct16.213830.30116@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 21:38:30 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu>, braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU >>(Michael Braverman) writes: >>> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal >>> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the >>> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport >>> specific dialing script... >>> >> Stuff from Frank deleted... > > I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If > this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your > time. > > I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my > initial query, but without luck. I have identified two problems with > the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of > problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script). > > Problem 1: > > After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the > following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for > reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script): > > 1 hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR > 2 pause 1 ; for one second > 3 set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. > 4 if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. > 5 echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). > 6 :INIT > 7 output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes > 8 chkok {Can't get modem's attention} > > The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention". > I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause > in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON, > but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off. If I add a "wait 5 DSR" > before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without > difficulty past the error check in line 8. Your modem is responsible for driving DSR and CTS to the computer. > Question: What exactly is > Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long? > It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default, > is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I > used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON > setting). Hangup drops DTR. To ensure that the port is accessible it may have to first fire up the port. It then drops DTR and shuts down the port. Query commands can reinitialize the port while obtaining information. A guess on all of this is your particular modem may really want considerable delays between these tramautic operations. To try to help some within Kermit I did more adjustments to the serial port startup code to treat the system as gently as I can (while applying the 2x4 needed by some mules^H^H^H^H^Hmodems); this will appear in beta-6 Monday. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 04:16:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:18:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:18:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 17 Oct 1994 04:16:35 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 57 Message-Id: <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> >>>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>>> >>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>>-------- >>> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>>sources appear at release time. >>> Joe D. >>> >> >> Joe, >> You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking >> if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether >> there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would >> support that version of FOSSIL that was available. >> >> For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the >> Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places >> where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting >> programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let >> the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. >> >> So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen >> and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. >-------- > Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, >but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up >the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come >even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. > Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic >program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then >please let me know. > Joe D. > I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you stated with the Z100. I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you have answered the question. Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 09:15:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 05:18:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 05:17:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1994 09:15:11 GMT Organization: None Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? The reason I am asking about this is that I am developing a Text mode windowing system. Currently it works with the mouse on my Linux console using the `selection' program which is able to respnd with button press information. I would sure like to see MS-Kermit support this as well. In addition, the latest version of my JED editor supports the mouse on character cell terminals in this manner and I would like to recommend kermit for this. Thanks, -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 14:32:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 06:33:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 06:33:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!imada!ravn From: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) Subject: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Message-Id: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:32:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it. I would very much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit? Thanks in advance. -- Thorbjxrn Ravn Andersen "...and...Tubular Bells!" ravn@imada.ou.dk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 12:50:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:16:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:50:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) writes: >In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Yeechang Lee wrote: >>In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson >> wrote: >>|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading >>|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as >>|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the >>|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. >> >>I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 >>on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET >>SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't >>fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow >>control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data >>overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. >>It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, >>and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. > > > >I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I >bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended >fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at >higher port speeds no matter what UART they have. > >I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text, >even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my >local provider. > > >Your mileage may vary........ > > > >Pat I have a 286/16 at home (I'll be upgrading to a Tandy 1000 RLX, which is a 286/10, but FAR more dependable than this generic clone which always doesn't like working right :-> ) My USR 14.4 works fantastic set at 38400, but tends to lose characters at 57600. One thing ALWAYS to remember with faster modems (which I've learned after paying attention to settings!) is: Use RTS/CTS if your faster modem supports it!!! XON/XOFF will cause you to lose chunks of text! And you may not notice it when scanning quickly through news, not paying much attention! Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 14:09:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:09:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:09:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:09:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <37u0ht$65h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> ivie@cc.usu.edu writes: > One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While > the modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the > modem that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232 > guys thought that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data. > Hardware flow control as we know it today is, indeed, not described in RS-232-C, which dates from the 1960s. However, there have been (I think) two later revisions: D and E. I don't have a copy of the newer one(s) handy, but I believe that we now have separate definitions for RTS and CTS depending on whether we have a full-duplex or half-duplex connection. In common usage today, on full-duplex connections, RTS is a signal from the computer (DTE) to the modem (DCE) saying "I am ready to receive". In fact, I think that RTS is now called RTR (Ready to Receive) in this context. This is backwards from its original definition "Request to Send". CTS is a signal from the modem to the computer saying "Clear to Send", i.e. "I am ready to receive". I'm not certain about the exact progression of events, but I imagine that it became clear to modem manufacturers as soon as error-correcting modems hit the streets that these modems could not be used effectively without wire-level flow control signals in BOTH directions, and I think that practice preceded the standard. As a side note, in the "early days" of hardware flow control, we had some manufacturers using different wires; thus you will occasionally see references to DTR/CD, DTR/CTS, etc. But to add confusion, even in places where bidirectional, RTS/CTS, "hardware" flow control is indicated, it is not always implemented correctly. For example, certain UNIX terminal device drivers only implement it in one direction; similarly for certain models of terminal servers. Modern modems, however, *should* implement it bidirectionally, and so does MS-DOS Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 02:18:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:27:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:27:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct17.081856.30143@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Oct 94 08:18:55 MDT References: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >>In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>> >>> In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >>> >>>>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>>>> >>>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>>>-------- >>>> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>>>sources appear at release time. >>>> Joe D. >>>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking >>> if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether >>> there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would >>> support that version of FOSSIL that was available. >>> >>> For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the >>> Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places >>> where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting >>> programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let >>> the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. >>> >>> So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen >>> and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. >>-------- >> Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, >>but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up >>the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come >>even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. >> Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic >>program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then >>please let me know. >> Joe D. >> > > I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem > cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out > the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET > communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such > a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority > as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you > stated with the Z100. > > I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you > have answered the question. > > Thank you. --------------- You are correct, I certainly don't realize what the FIDONET situation is with non-PC compatibles etc. Maybe you could put some realistic numbers in here. As far as using Fossil as a PC Bios replacement that is unrealistic, not to mention that MSK is not restrained to the PC Bios. What would be better is for volunteers to write the code to run MSK on the host machine directly. Please tell us more. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 13:16:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:16:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:16:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!RWR-PHYSIOL.MED.UPENN.EDU!RATZLAFF From: RATZLAFF@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ron Ratzlaff) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:32:19 Organization: Dep't Physiol., University of Pennsylvania Lines: 59 Message-Id: References: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rwr-physiol.med.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) >Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" >Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT >In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU >(Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >> I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >> Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >> is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >> make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >> are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >> something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable >> when I'm trying to make a plot. >> >What kind of printer is it? Is it a serial or parallel printer? Is it >a graphics printer? >Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, >that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means >of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is >much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS >system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem >connected to? A VAX port? A LAT box? Some other kind of terminal >server? >Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics >printer driver installed? >As you can see, there are many variables here. But in general the key is >to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY >POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver >the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port, >the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the >two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected >connection). And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC). >As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control. >Who said data communication was easy? >- Frank Frank, I am not connected via any kind of serial interface - not modem (not SLIP) and not a direct serial line. The connection is entirely via the Ethernet here at my institution. The reason I use Kermit is because I can download files using the Kermit protocol while maintaining my ethernet (TCP/IP) connection. Its very handy because most mainframes around here only support Kermit for file transfers. I agree, the problem may be outside of Kermit's control but I thought maybe I was doing something wrong. Will try to speak to the VAX gurus about it. Thanks for your suggestions..... Ron From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 03:44:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:47:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:47:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Oct 94 09:44:59 MDT References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > Hi, > > What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? > By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond > with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult to parse properly in normal environments. > represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect > drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to > implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting > mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible > with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape > sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator" (on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no). MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information exchange between them. I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:35:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:35:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:35:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1994 20:35:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <37un6d$lui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> Hi, >> >> What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? >> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond >> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a >proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult >to parse properly in normal environments. > >> represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect >> drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to >> implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting >> mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible >> with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape >> sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? > > There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending >bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while >waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information >from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far >there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator" >(on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no). > MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data >General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information >exchange between them. > I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute >the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer. > Joe D. OS/2 C-Kermit supports mouse actions while in terminal mode. The problem with accidental mouse events being sent are handled in two ways: (1) SET TERMINAL MOUSE {ON,OFF} (2) Only supporting double click mouse actions These were deemed sufficient to prevent accidental transmissions. OS/2 C-Kermit supports four functions: (1) Cursor positioning using Arrow key equivalents (2) Selection with copy direct to host (3) Selection with copy to system clipboard (4) Paste from system clipboard X-term mouse support was not implemented because it is particular to applications written to run in an X-term session, not under a standard VTxxx terminal. And because, implementing the additional escape sequences could very well break host systems which do not understand them and/or misinterpret them as something else entirely. My eventual goal though is to define Kermit Kverbs that represent each type of mouse event and allow the user to redefine their meanings. This is a long way down on my list of priorities. Just a neat idea that is floating around in my head. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 18:47:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:47:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:47:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm!news.tamu.edu!LLF.TAMU.EDU!l-field From: l-field@tamu.edu (Larry Field) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys ** Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:03:21 Organization: BPP Operations Center Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: llf.tamu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm mainframe keys. For instance, "esc+1" is PF1. Does anyone have a chart like this that lists all the keys? Thanks, Larry Field From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 19:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:59:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:59:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!ctp.org!not-for-mail From: lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet to Columbia Date: 17 Oct 1994 12:27:11 -0700 Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ Lines: 6 Message-Id: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) -- --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:37:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:01:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:01:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:37:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> Hi, >> >> What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? >> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond >> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a >proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult >to parse properly in normal environments. There is a program (and I'm looking for my copy without success at the moment - if anyone has it, I'm interested!) that will do the following: Press the left mouse button, and it generates an CR/LF ("Enter" key). Press the right mouse button, and it generated an "Esc" sequence. Move the mouse upwards, generates the up arrow slowly, etc. While this isn't as useful in unix/VMS environments (although it would be a blast in reading news/e-mail online :-> ), for BBS environments, it is a help. Anyone know of programs that do this that are public domain? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 23:03:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:03:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:03:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37uvsi$52h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) > so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) > It would seem logical, wouldn't it? But currently, no. A lot of development is required for this; it's on the long list of things to do. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 23:05:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:05:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:05:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys ** Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37uvvk$5ak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article l-field@tamu.edu (Larry Field) writes: > I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm > mainframe keys. For instance, "esc+1" is PF1. Does anyone have a chart ] > like this that lists all the keys? > Any such chart would be totally site dependent. It depends on the configuration (and make and model and version) of your 3270 emulation front end and/or software. You'll have to see your local IBM mainframe communications people about this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 01:16:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 21:55:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 21:55:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Message-Id: Sender: news@rahul.net (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:16:15 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote: : What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? : By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste in MSKermit and on DOS screens. Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117 Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/ grbtxt12.zip B 9220 920826 Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 11:55:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:46:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:46:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 17 Oct 1994 21:25:17 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 22 Message-Id: <37ton5$1t2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu wrote: : How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. : Any ideas? : TIA. : Ian Stirling. : send mail either to printf@cix.compulink.co.uk, OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs. Then provided you don't overload the intervening links you can use kermit over multiple IP and serial links. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 03:48:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:48:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:48:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia Date: 18 Oct 1994 03:48:53 GMT Organization: Trilateralist Commission, Columbia University chapter Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37vgj5$oli@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: | Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) |so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) telnet grind.isca.uiowa.edu offers this very feature; they have a mirror of wuarchive.wustl.edu and some other stuff. Perhaps someone will upload the latest betas to it. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o a New Yorker bred, if not born Columbia University/New York City \_O_/ Nevada Las Vegas Mission 92-94 From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 04:44:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:01:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:01:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!loghost.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!wp-sp.nba.trw.com!ns1.nba.trw.com!gumby.dsd.TRW.COM!jsb From: jsb@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (John Bien) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work? Date: 18 Oct 1994 04:44:41 GMT Organization: TRW Space & Electronics Group Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: pokey.sp.trw.com Keywords: carrier detect Unix Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3. I can't figure if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly. It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen: - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down) - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect) However - "set carrier" doesn't seem to have any affect. Carrier is working, as "show modem-signals" seems to indicate. Before I call "DIAL", CD shows as Off. After the dial, and during the connect, CD shows as "On". Then, after the modem returns "NO CARRIER", I can escape back and see CD is set to "Off" again. What I'm looking to do is not have our operators deal with the C-Kermit prompt at all. I'd like to call up kermit with an immediate Dial and Connect, and when the remote system disconnects, automatically exit kermit (no ^\c or ^\q). Any ideas? Does "set carrier" work for anybody else? Thanks for any info, -John John Bien (310) 814-8546 TRW Space and Electronics Group, Communications services j.bien@gumby.sp.TRW.COM (Internet) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 05:34:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:36:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:36:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 18 Oct 1994 05:34:00 GMT Organization: None Lines: 84 Message-Id: <37vmo8$kq3@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Clarence Dold writes: : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote: : : : What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? : : By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond : : I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste : in MSKermit and on DOS screens. I am not really interested in cut/paste functionality. In fact, using something like what you describe is not as flexible as what I have in mind. The latest version of `selection' for Linux implements what I would like to see in MS-Kermit or, as a TSR. I am sure that someone familiar with TSR could write something like this in half an hour, unfortunately, I do not have the expertise. To give you an idea how flexible and simple this idea is, consider what I have done using selection. The situation is this: right now I am at home running Linux in text (non-X) mode. I have selection running in the background monitering the mouse (the TSR would do this). In the foreground I am running C-Kermit connected through the phone line to amy.tch.harvard.ed. From there I am telnetted to a machine at Ohio State. On that machine, I am usig my JED editor to compse this message. Now, I can move the mouse somewhere in the buffer and click on it. When I do so, it sends 6 characters: ESC [ M b x y to indicate the row/column of the mouse click and which button was clicked. When I click with the left mouse button, the cursor goes to the position of the mouse--- even if it has to switch buffers/windows to get there. Now, if I click on the status line, I can cause the window to split, be deleted, or switch to the next buffer depending on the mouse button (3 buttons). In addition, the middle button is configured to paste, the right to delete text, etc... How do I do this? Simple. The editor, like emacs, is programmable. I have the following keybindings defined: setkey ("left_button_down", "\e[M "); setkey ("middle_button_down", "\e[M!"); setkey ("right_button_down", "\e[M\""); This effectively binds the three mouse buttons to functions. The functions decode the x, y coordinates of the mouse point, e.g., define middle_button_down () { variable use_status, x, y, n; variable x = getkey () - ' '; % (x,y) coordinates offset from (32,32) variable y = getkey () - ' '; (use_status, n, y, x) = whereis_mouse (x, y); loop (n) otherwindow (); if (use_status) { splitwindow (); return; } if (markp ()) { call ("copy_region"); message ("Region copied."); return; } goto_line (y); goto_column (x); call ("yank"); } Again, all this requires is a TSR that shoves ESC [ M m x y into the input buffer. Does anyone know where to get such a beast? -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 12:58:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:58:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:58:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work? Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:58:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <380gqd$i0r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> jsb@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (John Bien) writes: > I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3. I can't figure > if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly. > > It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen: > - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down) > - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect) > The proper operation of SET CARRIER ON or AUTO depends on the underlying operating system. If the device can be conditioned so that a read() returns an error if carrier drops, then this feature will work, otherwise it won't. In general, it works on UNIX systems whose terminal driver semantics follow the System V model, and tends not to work on BSD-based systems like SunOS. (Or, to put it another way, it should start working as you want when you "upgrade to Solaris" :-) There is a lot of material about this in the ckuker.bwr file, but perhaps it needs to be stated up front a bit more explicitly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 16:59:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:08:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:08:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!caip.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: @ Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:59:28 -0400 Organization: @ Lines: 9 Sender: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <380utg$9t3@caip.rutgers.edu> References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: caip.rutgers.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: = True enough, but in brief: In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF) = characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When = in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF) = to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file = will be one character larger than your Unix file. Therefore, the size in byts of a well sent textfile is the sum of the line and character counts givven by "wc"; "wc -cl" From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 15:14:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:14:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:14:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!LAN.ASC.UPENN.EDU!stimpe From: stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:30:40 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: lan.asc.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I try to send commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding. It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the keyboard commands are registering). If I set the duplex to half, then I can see what I'm typing up until there is a connection. Otherwise, there's no change. This copy of Kermit was used on a 286 and a 486 as it's currently configured. The truly odd thing is that _one_ time when I entered Kermit, everything worked fine (was able to dial and connect and everything came across on the screen)but then didn't the next time. Does this sound like a software setting to anyone? Is there a Kermit setting that I'm not thinking of? I'm very interested in using Kermit because it supports an .ini file for our school to use software and because it runs swell on older computers. Thanks! Tom From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 20:16:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:14:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:14:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beta 3.14 and printing Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:16:24 -0400 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The 3.14 kermit.upd file states: . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE I'd like more information on what was improved. Also, does the improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to direct attached printers? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer Lehigh University Computing Ctr (wsm0@Lehigh.edu) (610) 758-3983 8B E. Packer Ave Bethlehem PA From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 21:36:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:36:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:36:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:36:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <381f46$47v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) writes: > Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard > time getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both > work on a 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I > try to send commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the > modem responding. It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, > but no characters are visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no > ATDT, nothing, although the keyboard commands are registering). > This is the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict. You should get the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14 Beta. Lest you are worried about the increased size of the newer version over 3.10, version 3.14 also comes in a "light" version (lacking networking and graphics terminal emulation) that should work just fine even an a small-memory PC or XT. Included in the distribution is a file called KERMIT.BWR, which includes a detailed discussion of interrupt conflicts and how to correct them. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:25:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:43:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:43:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.jf.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!ssd.intel.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!axsys!rw From: rw@surgicad.com (Randy Witlicki) Subject: Xircom PCMCIA and MS-DOS Kermit woes Message-Id: Organization: Dover Systems Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:25:00 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone out here managed to get a Xircom PCMCIA modem (I am trying to configure the Creditcard Ethernet+Modem unit on a Zenith Z-Star Laptop) to successfully use MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.13 ? I keep getting the message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios for BIOS3 This is after various invocations of the Xircom CEMCFG, CMDRIVE, XEMREDIR, and so on programs in various combinations and also giving port and irq with a set COM3 command in Kermit. I am able to get the Windows Terminal program to talk happily over COM3 after running the Xircom PCMCIA setup programs, so maybe Kermit has a set hardware don't-be-clever command that I haven't found? The purpose of this whole exercise is to have Kermit take a script as part of a batch file to log someone in to a terminal server so Novell LanWorkPlace can make a ppp connection. Thanks in advance for any help and sage advice. - Randy Witlicki rw@surgicad.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 21:18:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:55:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:55:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: exit causes reboot Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:18:30 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots..... Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and locks up machine! -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ * * * * * * tflynn@iastate.edu * * * * * * * @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 16:20:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:57:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:57:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!solix!mtritt01 From: mtritt01@solix.fiu.edu (Merrill D. Tritt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: external kermit protocol Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:20:03 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support kermit. I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support today's connect rates. Does anybody know if something like this still exists? The file was called PCKERMIT. Thanks in advance. -- =========================================================================== == Merrill Tritt === mtritt01@servax.fiu.edu === Miami, FL == =========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:01:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:01:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:01:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: exit causes reboot Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:01:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <381gjs$661@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots..... > Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and > locks up machine! > There's no point in cluttering up the newsgroup with reports like this. Please send them straight to kermit@columbia.edu, and include more details -- PC and network configuration, software versions (DOS, Windows, WFW, whatever). This is not to say that there isn't a problem, but we need more to go on, and you'll get MUCH faster response from email than from news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:03:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:03:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:03:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: external kermit protocol Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:03:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <381go3$69l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> mtritt01@solix.fiu.edu (Merrill D. Tritt) writes: > I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support > kermit. I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure > to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support > today's connect rates. Does anybody know if something like this still > exists? The file was called PCKERMIT. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in three different versions: large, medium, and small. Any of these can be used as an external protocol by other DOS programs via command-line argument passing. The small version is particularly well-suited for this. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. I think PCKERMIT must be MS-DOS Kermit 1.x from 1982 or so... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:32:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!FNALO.FNAL.GOV!MORPHIS From: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:32:17 GMT Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 6 Message-Id: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> Reply-To: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make sure it works before figuring out how to ftp it over. (I have my hair pulled out on other items of joy, so I delegated) Robert Morphis system@phys.niu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 23:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:27:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:27:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 18 Oct 1994 23:27:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <381lkf$cvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV writes: > It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make > sure it works before figuring out how to ftp it over. (I have my hair > pulled out on other items of joy, so I delegated) > Mac Kermit 0.991(190), dated 16 Aug 94, or later, will run on PowerMacs, as well as under Mac OS 7.1. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text (ascii) mode, files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr. The former is the Mac Kermit app itself, to be un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 20:31:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:45:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:45:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!e4e.oac.uci.edu!amnewlan From: amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 18 Oct 1994 20:31:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 37 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: e4e.oac.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of fancy things, but we have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in e4e, for the "attached ansi" printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print command but it does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures the first page no matter how many pages you go through! I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? My MacKermit is so simple and easy to use! Too bad her husband is stuck on PCs ! He could not find answers to these either. If you have any hints for us or helpful info, we would greatly appreciate it! Anne Newland please reply to if not too much trouble, thanks! From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 00:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:04:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:04:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:04:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <381nqm$fid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Cc: fdc@columbia.edu, amnewlan@uci.edu In article <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) writes: > > My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication > software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of > fancy things, but we > have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I > can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! > > One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black > background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure > there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! > I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit. For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background colors for terminal emulation. > Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single > message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in > e4e, for the "attached ansi" > printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print > command but it > does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... > This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon receipt of the "printer off" directive. > Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures > the first page no matter how many pages you go through! > Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session, dumping screens, etc. You have pretty much total control. > I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not > as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? > No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality). It is a text-mode program, and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with. But it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows what is best for you. MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 00:05:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:05:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:05:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <381ns4$fki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) writes: > > My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication > software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of > fancy things, but we > have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I > can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! > > One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black > background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure > there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! > I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit. For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background colors for terminal emulation. > Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single > message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in > e4e, for the "attached ansi" > printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print > command but it > does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... > This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon receipt of the "printer off" directive. > Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures > the first page no matter how many pages you go through! > Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session, dumping screens, etc. You have pretty much total control. > I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not > as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? > No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality). It is a text-mode program, and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with. But it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows what is best for you. MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 09:42:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:29:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:29:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Message-Id: <1994Oct18.154216.30342@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 94 15:42:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) writes: > Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time > getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a > 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I try to send > commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding. > It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are > visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the > keyboard commands are registering). If I set the duplex to half, then I can > see what I'm typing up until there is a connection. Otherwise, there's no > change. ------------ Please obtain a copy of Kermit distribution file MSKERM.BWR from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. This discusses many common modem difficulties, including your 'talk but not listen' case. Most likely problem: IRQ conflicts or at a value not assumed by Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 03:12:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 23:30:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 23:30:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!tali.hsc.colorado.edu!boulder!csnews!alumni.cs.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what gives a telebit indigestion? Date: 19 Oct 1994 03:12:12 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.cs.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then set prefix via set control unprefix all set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport 14.4k modem at my end. when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary transmission, i get no problems. anyone worked out what gives the telebit indigestion? or is my dataport? i doubt the latter, because i have one path in to the remote machine via a non-telebit 2400 baud modem, and that path has no problems. i can use the two lines above and my efficiency goes from 75% to 83% on binary downloads of binary data on this path. -- -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 02:59:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:48:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:48:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:59:58 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 15:51:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:13:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:13:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beta 3.14 and printing Message-Id: <1994Oct18.215155.30400@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 94 21:51:54 MDT References: <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wsm0@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) writes: > The 3.14 kermit.upd file states: > > . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE > > > I'd like more information on what was improved. Also, does the > improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to > direct attached printers? --------- I'd say that if you don't have a problem then you don't have a problem. Kermit always prints through DOS itself, or what appears to be DOS on the other end of Interrupt 21h. Improvments include more tenacious retrying and status checking to see if every byte does indeed make it to DOS and that DOS approves. Plus closing the printer channel after closing a capture file (to effectively send an EOJ command to your NW server). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 12:24:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:24:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:24:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:24:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <38335m$lff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > Hmmm... Seems the announcement never made it. Briefly: 1. The program itself has a few fixes, plus a new feature -- which is still being worked on: SET PORT FOSSIL 1..99. Fossil driver users are encouraged to check this out and report back. 2. User-settable Answerback message (see below). 3. Some DOC files, etc, that were supposed to be there were missing, now they are where they are supposed to be. 4. A couple new modem dialing scripts that just came in -- Dynalink 1414, etc. Lots of people have been asking to be able to set the answerback message, the text that Kermit sends while it is in CONNECT mode and receives an ENQ (Ctrl-E) character. One point of view says this opens up all kinds of security risks, the opposing point of view says that people should be able to do what they want. We are taking a middle ground. Here's how it works. SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK { ON, OFF } Works as before. This command simply enables or disables the sending of answerback messages in response to ENQ during terminal emulation. By default it is OFF, primarily because of what happens when you have a noisy connection. If you want it on all the time, just put SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. When TERMINAL ANSWERBACK is ON, the answerback message is: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320 In other words, the name of the program, the program version, and the terminal type, followed by a carriage return. SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE [ ] This is new. If you give this command and specify some text, then the text is *appended* to the standard answerback message, preceded by an underscore, but before the carriage return, e.g.: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_ANSI_123 Science Hall If you give the SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE command with no text, the default message is restored. We are doing it this way because we think it is important to have a standard format for answerback messages that host applications can always depend upon, from now on: program-nameversion_emulation[_user-fields...] You can play with this feature by telling MS-DOS Kermit to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, and then running C-Kermit on the host, and giving it the following command: ask \%a \5 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 12:40:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:40:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:40:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what gives a telebit indigestion? Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:40:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <38344k$me4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) writes: > i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit > operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then > set prefix via > > set control unprefix all > set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 > > as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. > > i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport > 14.4k modem at my end. > > when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into > something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the > remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no > problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary > transmission, i get no problems. > You should have read the documentation. Two Ctrl-C's in a row will pop a remote-mode C-Kermit (189 or earlier) out of packet mode, back to its prompt. This is stated clearly and repeatedly in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the ckcker.upd file that comes with version 5A(189). This file also describes how to get around this: (a) Don't unprefix Ctrl-C (3 or 131); (b) change the packet-mode cancellation character; (c) change the number of packet-mode cancellation characters required for cancellation. In version 5A(190), we have increased the default number of consecutive Ctrl-C's needed to cancel packet mode from two to three. This turns Ctrl-C into a safe character, in most circumstances, because any run of three or more characters in the file data will be encoded in a special way. Thus, you should not have to worry about Ctrl-C's any more. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 08:43:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:43:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:43:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PLIP.COM packet driver and MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 19 Oct 94 14:25:01 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 38 Message-Id: <1994Oct19.142501.1@cc.helsinki.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tried to connect two PC's with a MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk cable, PLIP.COM packet drivers and MS-Kermit 3.13. I'm an experienced packet driver & TCP/IP & MS-Kermit user, but I couldn't get this setup working, so I'm now asking for help. The cable is almost OK: only the 25-25 pin connection is missing, everything else is OK according to MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk help and Linux NET-3-HOWTO. I can connect those two PC's with MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk. I run the "PLIP 0x60 -t" cable test, and it shows (as Russ Nelson kindly told me) that the cable is OK: it shows a "1" cycling in a round-robin way those five digits displayed. Then I start MS-Kermit 3.13 and issue commands: set port tcp/ip set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.1 set tcp/ip host * ; telnet server mode connect and on the second computer: set port tcp/ip set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.2 set tcp/ip host 1.1.1.1 connect but the connection cannot be established. I recall reading some discussion about PLIP and MS-Kermit (was it about a year ago?) that there was some inconsistency between them (incorrect simulation of Ethernet or something like that). So, should MS-Kermit 3.13 work with PLIP.COM? (This MS-Kermit <-> MS-Kermit connection is just a test, the real objective is to connect MS-Kermit or Trumpet Winsock to a Linux 1.1.35 box. So, please no "just use InterLnk/SLIP/plain serial" flames!) -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 05:15:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:31:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:31:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 05:15:43 GMT Lines: 73 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >> chunks of characters. >> >> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >> reboot my computer to stop it. >> >> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >> something else. >------------- > Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit >involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other >information you think might be important. Sorry 'bout that, chief! :) I'm running MSK 3.13 PL 21 on a Data General/One 2T (remember me, Frank? :), which is a very early laptop with an 8088 processor running at (I think) ~13+ MHz. It has 640K memory total (no upper memory), and no hard drive (two 720K 3.5" diskette drives instead). The OS is a Data General revision of MS-DOS 3.2. The modem is internal; I know very little about it, other than it has a top speed of 2400 bps and is at least Hayes compatible. It probably doesn't have hardware flow control, although I couldn't say for sure, as this PC came to me sans documentation. The C-Kermit on my Unix account is 5A(190), beta 21. > Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix >box? I connect to my service provider through a POP (Point Of Presence). To the best of my knowledge, all the POP's are connected via T1 and/or other links to a central location, where the Unix boxes live. There are 20 Unix boxes networked together, and fed by several network file servers. A router connects me to one of these 20 boxes right after modem handshake. If more detail is necessary, I could write to tech support or even ask some of the more knowledgeable users at this site. > The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from >systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the >PC, whatnot. It occurs to me that I was using the same PC and version of Kermit to transfer files back and forth on my last account, which was on an IBM 370 (TSO-Kermit). I was able to use a packet length of 2K with no problems. > 640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program). >If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are >stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded >memory. I have screen rollback enabled (I use it frequently). The screens have to be stored in conventional memory, since that's all I have. I used rollback on my last account, and again had no problems with larger packets. There seems to be memory to spare, as I can push to DOS and run such utilities as PK(UN)ZIP. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 13:55:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:24:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:24:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!FNALO.FNAL.GOV!MORPHIS From: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 19 Oct 1994 13:55:00 GMT Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3838fk$dtt@fnnews.fnal.gov> References: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov>,<381lkf$cvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 14:21:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 edition of book/manual? Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:21:33 +0000 Message-Id: <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear? It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication. Mike I bought the original first edition. -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 15:14:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:14:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:14:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 edition of book/manual? Date: 19 Oct 1994 15:14:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <383d48$46t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of > the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear? > It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication. > Sorry, no, there is not a new edition of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for version 3.14. As with 3.12 and 3.13, you should use the Second Edition of the book in conjunction with the KERMIT.UPD file on the diskette. We would like to produce a new edition of the book with every release of the software, but it is not possible. The version after 3.14 will probably be accompanied by a new edition. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:23:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:19:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:19:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!lewart From: lewart@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 19 Oct 1994 16:23:30 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 3 Message-Id: <383h62$8va@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 94 16:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 26 Message-Id: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or a variation thereof: set terminal answerback on set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here However, I don't think the answerback security hole is any worse then the ability to redefine keys with "set key". I noticed that the context-sensitive help (?) doesn't abbreviate the already typed words and word completion (Esc) adds the trailing space. This is how command-line editing used to be and that is how I like it. Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore? It is not in mstibm.zip. The command is "set terminal underscore", but "show terminal" says "Term underline color". These should be consistent. There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. Kermit still runs wonderfully on my ATT 6300. Kudos to JRD and FDC for their Herculean work! Cheers, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:31:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:31:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:31:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 1994 17:31:40 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Daniel S. Lewart wrote: |There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't |reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast |to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be a ripple. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o a New Yorker bred, if not born Columbia University/New York City \_O_/ Nevada Las Vegas Mission 92-94 I'm a peon for Gersten, Savage, Kaplowitz, & Curtin, 575 Lexington Ave From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:38:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:38:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:38:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 1994 17:38:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or > a variation thereof: > set terminal answerback on > set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here > Not really. All the characters are still sent. It's up to the host application how to interpret them. > Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore? It is not in > mstibm.zip. > No, it's not needed. We are not supplying a Windows icon for MS-DOS Kermit. Just pick one out for yourself from the little collection of free icons that comes with Windows -- see KERMIT.HLP for instructions. > There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it happens at random times no matter what application is running. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 06:45:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:21:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:21:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: <1994Oct19.124520.30473@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 12:45:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > >>In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >>> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >>> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >>> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >>> chunks of characters. >>> >>> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >>> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >>> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >>> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >>> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >>> reboot my computer to stop it. >>> >>> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >>> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >>> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >>> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >>> something else. >>------------- I presume you are using DG terminal emulation, because I've received another report some time ago with a Connect screen ^F^F symptom. I suspect it is coming from the remote host, as LOG SESSION can verify one way or the other. Otherwise if these things really occur on the Kermit command line and there are no script commands being executed at that time then it's a problem of some mysterious kind. MSK 3.14 has a uni-directional flow control option (SET FLOW) so it may throttle a remote host and still let the host send XON/XOFF codes as data rather than as flow control signals. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:33:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:33:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!due.uninett.no!debet!xedb_gene From: xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no (Gene Scharmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON Message-Id: <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> Date: 19 Oct 94 10:40:10 MET Organization: Norwegian School of Economics Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSK 3.14 Beta-3: The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF, even the '?' help functions says so: Rollback (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off) But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on. Don't know if this was planned, or a 'mite' -- Gene Scharmann, SYSOP Sotrainbow OPUS BBS Bergen NORWAY FidoNet: 2:211/3 (+47 55 31.09.91) 14.4KBaud E-Mail: xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 21:02:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:02:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:02:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON Date: 19 Oct 1994 21:02:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3841hq$fe2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no (Gene Scharmann) writes: > MSK 3.14 Beta-3: > The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF, > even the '?' help functions says so: > Rollback (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off) > But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on. Don't know if this was planned, or > a 'mite' > Neither, I hope. If you start Kermit with "-f nul" on the command line to prevent execution of any initialization files, you should find that SET TERMINAL ROLL is indeed OFF, as revealed not only by SHOW TERMINAL, but also by experiment. Ditto if Kermit is started with the MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI that are distributed with it. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 03:53:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:10:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 09:53:14 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > ------ I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final release. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 07:43:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:24:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:24:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:43:30 GMT Lines: 162 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article jhurwit@netcom.com >(Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> >> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >> chunks of characters. >> >I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective >means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface >along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the >way to the printer. Yes, Pine. It is likely that my modem doesn't have hareware flow control, so XON/XOFF is probably the *only* type of flow control available between my host and my PC. This is the setting I use in my MSKERMIT.INI. I know that I can stop the host from sending to my screen with ^S and restart it with ^Q while in terminal mode, but I don't know if Pine will respond to these characters while printing, or even if C-Kermit is responding to them during a file transfer. >> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >> reboot my computer to stop it. >> >This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only >speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts >to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate. This is entirely possible. I haven't a clue about how interrupts work, but my disk drives (both 720K 3.5" - I have no hard drive) are certainly slow. On my last account (on an IBM 370), TSO-Kermit could send 2K packets with no trouble on the PC end. Even with a text file, where a 2K packet writes about 2K to the disk, there was no trouble. >> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >> something else. >> >Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that >might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host >application. >The printer should be a parallel printer. It is. >When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send >it to the printer. If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails >to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS >printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help. I've used the printer with DOS (copy filename.txt prn), with a word processor to print complex documents (eg. text and graphics), and with a GIF printer. It works reliably with all these. >That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself >lose incoming data? There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this >could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control. >Reason (1) was mentioned above. If you have a slow disk and the disk >driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your >only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less >disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port >interrupts are disabled. Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to >have this problem (but there are no guarantees). I have BUFFERS=10. Could this be too high? I'll experiment with it. >Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit. You say your modem does >not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff. So you tell >Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff". Yes, I have this set. >Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just >like a game of catch. The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S >(Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters. Who >and where is the other player? (What if there IS no other player? >The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the >communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled. If not, then after you >throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!) >The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error: >propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors >with distance. Propagation delays is a likely possibility. It can take up to several minutes, at times, for characters typed into an editor (for example) to echo back on the screen. Sometimes this is because the host I'm on is carrying a high load average, but I suspect that at other times it is because the link between my POP and my host is near saturation. Noise is another-- I experience occasional bursts of garbage characters on the screen, and sometimes have to call back to get a cleaner connection. However, when neither of these is a problem, printing from Pine and receiving packets on my PC larger than 1K during a file transfer still is. >So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay: > Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to > your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow > control "upstream". >Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff". I doubt that mine does. I think it's probably transparant to ^S and ^Q. Since I don't have a manual for it, I can't be sure. I can make my modem output its profile (showing settings). I looked these up in the Hayes Technical refernece Manual, in an effort to identify its features. Local Xon/Xoff was not among them. >Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther >upstream, for example, at the host operating system. If you are connected >directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice >anyway. But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of >network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly. I think the host is as close as I can get. >To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow >control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like: > stty ixon ixoff -ixany I checked my settings (stty -a), and found these to already be set. >> >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and >> >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w >> >problem not a handshake problem. >> >> I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file >> transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try >> packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. >> >You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application >in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes >printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow >control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, >if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file >later, using the DOS PRINT command. I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help narrow down what's going wrong? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 22:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:47:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:47:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Date: 19 Oct 1994 22:46:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3847l3$ner@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application > >in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes > >printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow > >control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, > >if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file > >later, using the DOS PRINT command. > > I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of > mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of > characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help > narrow down what's going wrong? > On the face of it, this would seem to rule out the PC-to-Pine communication path, all of it, and to rule in the connection between your PC and printer. But, no, that's too simple. Since you can print local PC files without losing data, that rules the PC-printer connection back out again. Writing to disk is much faster than writing to a printer, so when Kermit is routing data to the printer, then whenever the printer's "busy" wire goes on, Kermit has to flow-control the host to stop sending data. This is the weak spot, apparently -- the flow control signal, in this case an Xoff character, does not arrive in time, and so data is lost because it keeps coming even though Kermit's internal buffer is full, and the printer is busy. There is literally no place to put it, so it is lost. From your description, it sounds like SET PRINTER , since it works, might be your only way out of this mess -- at least your only free way :-) -- you could also buy a new modem... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 22:35:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:48:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:48:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!rayp From: rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 19 Oct 1994 22:35:24 GMT Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((206) 693-0325) Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem. In fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup. I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit emulation is VT320. So, I am asking for advice. How can I change the setting in my kermit program to VT100. Is it possible to do so with each call I make? I have two accounts: one VT100, the other VT320. I'd like to be able to toggle back and forth, or something equally convenient. Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in terms that a novice like me would find understandable. Thanks. -- ---- Ray Pendergast From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 23:01:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 19 Oct 1994 23:01:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3848g8$oiq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) writes: > I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem. In > fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup. > I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am > guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text > while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit > emulation is VT320. > No, not at all. VT320 is, in every sense, a superset of VT100. Any escape sequences sent to a VT100 will be accepted and acted upon by a VT320 (or 220, or 102) in exactly the same way. > So, I am asking for advice. How can I change the setting in my kermit > program to VT100. > SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100. > Is it possible to do so with each call I make? > Of course. > I have two accounts: one VT100, the other VT320. I'd like to be able to > toggle back and forth, or something equally convenient. > You can do a lot more than that. You can write little scripts that make each connection and set all the appropriate parameters -- terminal emulation, key maps, you name it, automatically for each account. > Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in > terms that a novice like me would find understandable. > I like to think that the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", does a very good job at making this material understandable. But none of this explains why you are seeing pieces of escape sequences on your screen. This is happening because material is coming in faster than your PC can process it. Either reduce your communication speed, get a faster computer, or (what we keep preaching) enable the MOST EFFECTIVE POSSIBLE means of flow control at each point along the communication path. For example, configure your modem for RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control, and then tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS. But then you also have to ensure that the other modem, and whatever it is connected to, etc, are also configured for flow control. Assume nothing. TrustNo1. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 10:45:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:48:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:47:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!netnews.wku.edu!netnews.wku.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS KERMIT transfer-only program? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu> From: RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (KEVIN) Date: 19 Oct 94 15:45:18 CDT Distribution: world Organization: Western Kentucky University Nntp-Posting-Host: wkuvx2 Nntp-Posting-User: ryank X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers. This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol- only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit. I've tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none implement the advanced features. Is there a shareware or freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding windows, adjustable block sizes, etc? Kevin Ryan RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Western Kentucky University From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 14:20:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:13:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:13:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Message-Id: <1994Oct19.202026.30534@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 20:20:26 MDT References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, > Daniel S. Lewart wrote: > |There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > |reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > |to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > > If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be > a ripple. --------- The slower the video system then the more visible will be screen changes. The Bios is slower than direct screen writing. Try horizontal scrolling to see this under fingertip control (without bothering the remote host). Or just roll the screen up and down. Joe D. interface >>along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the >>way to the printer. >>You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application >>in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes >>printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow >>control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, >>if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file >>later, using the DOS PRINT command. > > I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of > mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of > characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help > narrow down what's going wrong? ---------------- Kermit does printing by passing bytes to DOS for handling. If DOS spends a lot of time talking with your parallel printer then a) Kermit's receive buffer can overflow, losing bytes, and/or b) interrupts are turned off long enough by DOS and the Bios to miss bytes arriving from the serial port. For case a) Kermit sends XOFF and XON brackets (if that's the flow control method) to the host to hopefully stop too many new bytes from being sent while DOS has control. The host may continue to send many bytes before recognizing the XOFF. Case b) is totally out of the hands of Kermit. File transfers with Kermit protocol have inherent pacing and retries and all that good stuff. Printing from the host lacks all that good stuff. With XON/XOFF turned off there is nothing Kermit can do to notify the host that Kermit and DOS may be rather busy for awhile and please wait. From your last paragraph we can infer your DOS+Bios+printer are taking a rather long time getting the job done. Since you have XON/XOFF turned off then at least case a) applies. Should this be accurate then you need to heavily buffer between DOS and the printer, by printing to disk or using a print spooler (they have their own problems) or using a cheap printer box with memory, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:21:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:00:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:00:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:21:09 MDT Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 11 Message-Id: <384uo7$r7o@lynx.unm.edu> References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR In , Ken Udut wrote: > >But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen. For DOS, uses arrow keys, runs as a TSR in 4Kb, from ftp.uu.net: 92/10/28 00:00 20881 systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel/screen/snippr26.zip (msg both mailed and posted) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:15:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:16:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:16:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS KERMIT transfer-only program? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.231528.30549@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 23:15:28 MDT References: <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu>, RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (KEVIN) writes: > I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of > the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is > native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take > advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers. > > This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol- > only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit. I've > tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none > implement the advanced features. Is there a shareware or > freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding > windows, adjustable block sizes, etc? -------------- Yes, but only one: MS-DOS Kermit. However, you will soon have the choice of three different colors: regular, medium, lite. See the beta test announcments. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:03:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:56:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:56:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:03:50 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl wrote: >For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91: >----- >Changes since pine 3.90. >Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all) >of the problems reported with version 3.90. >IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not >defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the >new feature: "preserve-start-stop-characters" . This is needed [...] >Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation >discussed (but you never know ;) I tried it, and it unfortunately didn't help. :( Thanks for the suggestion, tho... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:17:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 04:25:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 04:25:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: what gives a telebit indigestion? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:08 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU>, Arthur Wouk (wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu) wrote: >i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit >operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then >set prefix via >set control unprefix all >set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 >as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. >i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport >14.4k modem at my end. My guess, FWIW, is that you'll have to prefix more control characters. ^C and ^Z, for example, are frequently used on many flavors of Unix to cancel and suspend, respectively, a process. Try transferring your binary file with 'set control prefixed all'. If it works, you know that prefixing is your problem. As the docs say, you'll have to experiment with some test files to find the minimum set of control characters that must be prefixed. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:31:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 05:41:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 05:41:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sldgh From: sldgh@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Subject: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Message-Id: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 94 02:31:13 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:828 comp.security.misc:12429 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any info is greatly appreciated. Erik Merkley Saddleman, Inc. sldgh@cc.usu.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 10:12:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COLS132 tip Date: 20 Oct 1994 10:12:06 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 21 Message-Id: <385fpm$92i@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently spent some time trying to set up the COLS132.BAT file for a machine with an S3 graphics card which was not supplied with a program for setting the screen mode. I eventually discovered that if I used Daniel Kegel's screen driver NANSI.SYS (available from Simtel mirrors and other fine ftp sites), I could put many different graphics cards into 132 column mode by putting the following line in COLS132.BAT. @echo [=85h where is replaced by an escape character (ascii 27). The corresponding line for COLS80.BAT is: @echo [=3h (which should work with any ANSI screen driver). Hope this is useful to someone else. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 12:47:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:48:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Date: 20 Oct 1994 12:47:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <385otv$8ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> sldgh@cc.usu.edu writes: > At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous > situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit > to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer > capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit > prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX > prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change > directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the > commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home > directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any > info is greatly appreciated. > Read the document on configuration options, ckccfg.doc, section SECURITY FEATURES. If you build C-Kermit with the -DNOPUSH cc flag, it disables these items. However, it does not restrict users to their home directories. You could easily add the CD command to those that are disabled by NOPUSH, but that does not entirely do the job -- they can still use pathnames in the many file-related commands. When C-Kermit is in server mode, you can also restrict access to all sorts of services by using the DISABLE command. If you want to take this one off-line, send me email. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 02:24:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:14:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!bonkers.taronga.com!peter From: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Organization: Taronga Park BBS Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:24:06 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17235 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4103 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:831 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port >please tell me! :-) Surely that's not broken again... I fixed it in 386BSD patchkit 0.2.4. Just make sure they all use the same lock file format. (need to make pppd use it too) >Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP, Look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf. That said, I tried it and couldn't quite get it to work so I stripped things down to the minimum. None of the Allman mailer definitions really work for Taylor UUCP and moderately smart remote sites, so I use this one: Mremote, P=/usr/bin/uux, F=CmDFMh, S=12, R=92, A=uux - -r -a$f -gC $h!rmail ($u) S92 is pretty much the same as the SMTP rewriting rule. You don't want my sendmail.cf. It routes everything to smail 2.5, so I can do pathalias without spending all my time hacking sendmail.cf. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 16:27:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 13:59:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 13:59:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: 20 Oct 1994 16:27:04 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? >> >------ > I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really >testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final >release. Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since they are new. And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something that is supposed to be changed. Sheesh! Remember the original announcement of this Beta-6 got lost. I never saw it and Frank reposted it. I have noticed before, Joe, that you sometimes reply with an answer that has not much to do with the original question. I suppose that has to do with you being busy and reading the original message too quickly and I suspect this was the case here too. Anyway, good luck with the new Kermit 3.14 (beta-6 worked great for me both under DOS and Windows), and please relax (you'll live longer). Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 17:53:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:19:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:19:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!UQuebec.CA!Rene_Ouimet From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Subject: New apc in kermit 3.13 Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:53:24 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 12:15:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:51:30 -0400 From: maik%PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Marek Majewski) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:15:32 GMT Subject: Kermit & LAN Manager 2.2 Message-Id: <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett Packard GmbH Germany Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!hpbbn!isonews.bbn.hp.com!maik Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Keywords: KERMIT LAN MANAGER Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pso_715.poland.hp.com Summary: Problem with Kermit over LAN Manager X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN. I installed dis_pkt9 driver over NDIS drivers but it didn't work ok. There was a problem during invoking LOAD TCPIP command. There is no problem when I run pocket version of my Ethernet driver and Kermit on it, but of course I haven't reach resources provided by LAN Manager. Marek Majewski marek_majewski@hp7100.desk.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 01:02:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:12:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:12:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!ecsgate!crisp From: crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) Subject: why do screen colors change? Message-Id: Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 01:02:57 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hello eveyone. i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from bright or bold white to just regular white. 3.13 didn't do this. Is this something someone needs to check, or a possible configuration problem here? It's very reproducable. Happens every time. Thanks, and keep up the good work! 3.14 looks really nice. rc -- -- Russ Crisp, Systems Analyst | Ham Call: KA4UXZ Western Carolina University | BITNET: crisp@wcuvax1.bitnet Business Affairs Division | Internet: crisp@wcu.edu Room 311-A, HFR Building | Voice: (704) 227-7003 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 21 01:52:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:53:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:52:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & LAN Manager 2.2 Date: 20 Oct 1994 21:52:50 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3876ti$lra@panix2.panix.com> References: <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Keywords: KERMIT LAN MANAGER Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com>, Marek Majewski wrote: >Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x > >We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as >UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN. I've used the following technique with much success: (1) TELAPI -SN3 {limit of three sessions} (2) KERMIT (3) SET PORT TELAPI xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (4) CONNECT marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802] From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 00:23:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:25:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:25:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!tubsibr!news From: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:23:49 GMT Organization: Inst.f.Nachrichtentechnik, TU Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases: Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is the ASCII code for space) to \313 ? Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why the space key code had to be changed. --Eckart ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eckart Meyer Address: Schleinitzstr. 23 Institute for Telecommunication 38092 Braunschweig Technical University of Braunschweig Germany Phone: +49 531 391 2454 E-Mail: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de FAX: +49 531 391 5192 VMSmail: PSI%26245050551130::MEYER (DATEX-P) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 04:56:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:20:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:20:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:56:15 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > > > ------ > I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really > testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final > release. > Joe D. Well, sounds like he does not want new features tested in new betas now does it ? HMMMMMMM, is this a public beta? I would think it might be valuable to know if new features are added so that we can test them. Thank you FDC very much for the valuable input. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 08:39:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 04:40:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 04:40:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!alpha2.csd.uwm.edu!randyd From: randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: possible ms-beta prob. Date: 21 Oct 1994 08:39:24 GMT Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <387uns$tjt@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.202 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have beta-5 now, hercmono card on a 286 machine. Bullet (hayes like) 2400 baud reliable compressed modem. There seems to be some problem with inverse video. Programs on my unix host like ELM or RN, which display lines in inverse video sometimes do not appear inverse with the 3.14 beta version. I am comparing it against the old faithful 3.11 version. I will alt-x quit and switch between versions. The problem is sometimes fixed by exiting kermit 3.14 and restarting it without logging out. The problem seems to come and go.... { Randy. randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu finger for 1024 bit pgp2.6 public key key fingerprint 6D A1 28 15 42 BE 9B 6C C0 1C 7E 88 A6 1E 3A B8 } From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 14:12:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:12:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:12:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: 21 Oct 1994 14:12:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de writes: > Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases: > > Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is > the ASCII code for space) to \313 ? > > Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special > scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why > the space key code had to be changed. > This change was made because of popular demand. People wanted to be able to map the space bar and all its combinations with Ctrl, Alt, and Shift separately. For example, DEC terminal users are accustomed to Ctrl-Space sending a Null (easier to type than Ctrl-Shift-2). The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: set key \313 \32 in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. This is progress, no? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 14:29:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!lorne.stir.ac.uk!is06 From: is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 21 Oct 1994 14:29:02 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Lines: 17 Message-Id: <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> References: <37ton5$1t2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: is06@forth.stir.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu wrote: : : How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : : I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet : to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs. This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet. I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet. I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I can ftp them from. Ian Stirling. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 15:26:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:26:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 21 Oct 1994 15:26:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <388mio$9rq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) writes: > This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find > how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet. > I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet. > I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a > unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer > files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I > can ftp them from. > C-Kermit has a command, TELNET, for this, provided it was built to include TCP/IP support (i.e. the CFLAGS in the makefile include -DTCPSOCKET). If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit to also include it. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Uncompress, untar, and give the appropriate "make" command. If your makefile entry does not include -DTCPSOCKET, then add it. For further details, read the comments in the makefile and the file ckuins.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 19:23:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:28:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:28:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:23:35 GMT Lines: 33 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:843 comp.security.misc:12445 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu>, sldgh@cc.usu.edu wrote: >At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous >situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit >to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer >capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit >prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX >prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change >directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the >commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home >directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any >info is greatly appreciated. I don't know how you would prevent someone using MS-Kermit from getting a DOS prompt, but C-Kermit has an option that you can define at compile time to eliminate all commands such as push and run, which would enable a user to get access to the Unix operating system. (I don't remember the name of this option offhand, but it's described either in the installation or config docs that are included in the cku???.tar.* distributions.) However, this will not disable (I don't think) such commands as cd and del. Short of tinkering with the sources, I don't know how you would restrict these commands within Kermit. Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas. See your man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about permissions. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 18:18:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:18:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:18:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 News Date: 21 Oct 1994 18:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3890lt$og2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-7 of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 should be ready early next week. It will fix some problems that many of you have been reporting, particularly those relating to command-parsing and execution of TAKE files containing long and/or continued lines. Meanwhile, here are a couple FAQ's, with A's: Q: My old command file doesn't work - comments are no longer treated as comments. For example: "set block 3;Use CRC error detection". A: The syntax for trailing comments is now a bit stricter. In order for a semicolon to be regarded as comment introducer, it must either be the first character on the line, or else be preceded by a space or tab. This is to allow semicolons to be included more naturally in commands like "send foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;15;3;2;1c", and it is also consistent with C-Kermit rules. Q: My system hangs (crashes, explodes, ...) when I use version 3.14, but version 3.13 works OK. A: Most likely this is because of the change in default for SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY from OFF to ON. If Kermit tries to use expanded memory but expanded memory is configured incorrectly, then terrible things can happen. In Beta-7, the default for this will be put back to OFF. Meanwhile, if you are experiencing any sort of problem, begin by giving this command (SET TERM EXPANDED OFF) yourself. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 15:41:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:13:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:12:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 21 Oct 1994 11:41:04 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 11 Message-Id: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to manually assign these strings to the arrows. -Victor From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 23:37:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:35:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Date: 21 Oct 1994 23:37:04 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 33 Message-Id: <389jb0$mi8@news.halcyon.com> References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:846 comp.security.misc:12452 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: > Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do > that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and > directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas. See your > man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about > permissions. Also check out the chroot() system call. For example, you could set up a directory with a kermit executable, and a small suid wrapper program as follows: $ cat safekermit.c #include int main(){ chroot("/path/of/safe/dir"); chdir("/"); setuid(getuid()); execl("kermit", "bin/kermit", "-x", (const char *)0); } $ ls -ld safekermit ---s--x--x 1 root bin 416117 Oct 21 15:20 safekermit $ cd /path/of/safe/dir $ ls -ld . bin bin/kermit drwxrwxrwx 3 kermit kermit 96 Oct 21 15:20 . d--x--x--x 2 bin bin 96 Oct 21 15:20 bin ---x--x--x 1 bin bin 416117 Oct 21 15:20 kermit This would limit to the subtree rooted at /path/of/safe/dir the potential damage that someone could possibly do. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 22 20:52:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!uquebec.ca!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: <-CxzGD1.7Hw@UQuebec.CA> Control: cancel Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 20:52:32 GMT Approved: news@uquebec.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 05:26:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:48:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:48:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 05:26:10 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: >Hello! >modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance >that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and >VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the >host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to >manually assign these strings to the arrows. This brings up a pain-in-the-neck situation with respect to VT emulation: Some systems and applications expect '^[[A', etc., while others (particularly IBM mainframes) expect '^[OA'. I once checked the file that has the key bindings for our tn3270, and found that it is set up for either (so is the default .joerc, for that matter). Oh well, I guess it's fortunate that keys can easily be remapped in Kermit with text strings in the INI file, unlike some other comm software out there... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 01:08:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:43:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:43:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (Miriam Chan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 23 Oct 1994 01:08:11 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 31 Message-Id: <38cd1r$mjo@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sparc2.cs.cuhk.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: :-) However, there is an annoyance that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 :-) (and also VT220, VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC :-) B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the host software (namely emacs) expects Yes, I found that the binding of arrow keys really have problem. It inserts a '^[' instead of '[' in the escape sequence. I am using tcsh, where the default file-completion is done by '^[^['. So, everytime I hit the up arrow, I saw the filenames in my root directory :-( Plus a 'A'. I think I should have the time to hack and report the bugs in source code, but til now I got too many things to do, although I still have the time to follow it ;-). Regards, 3/06)z. -- ******************************************************************************** * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************** * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 08:30:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Message-Id: <1994Oct20.143022.30642@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 94 14:30:22 MDT References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >>> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? >>> >>------ >> I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really >>testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final >>release. > > Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong > about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester > and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since > they are new. > And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so > you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something > that is supposed to be changed. ------------ Wondering is one thing, demanding an explanation (", why?") is another and that's what I reacted to. Betas change at a rapid rate, faster than we can take time to type up a long explanation of what's new, though we do try. Not every change comes from this list, but we do lay it out for folks by release time or sooner if possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 16:25:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:46:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:46:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 94 22:25:36 MDT References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) writes: > Hello! > > I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very > important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI > modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance > that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and > VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the > host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to > manually assign these strings to the arrows. ---------- No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. Let's explore a little to discover that thing. Cutout from Kermit distribution file msvibm.vt (this is also in the User's Manual book "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Now, the curious thing is if the comms channel is presumed to be 8-bits wide then CSI goes out just fine as an 8-bit control code. But if the channel chops the high bit then what's left of CSI looks exactly the same as ESC (155 - 128 = 27). Hmmmmm. We've warned folks time and again that comms channels may not be clean or 8-bits wide and there is no safe way of discovering these details automatically. And this seems to be such a case. Since Kermit can't know the channel eats the high bit we educate Kermit on the matter. SET PARITY SPACE in Kermit says the channel changes all high bits to zeros, so please accomodate. And Kermit does so by sending eight bit control codes as seven bit equivalents. CSI goes to ESC [. Ah ah! See top line of cutout. Notice something else in the cutout. The arrow keys send different things depending on the mode induced by the host; one string does not fit all occassions. That's why these keys are Kermit keyboard "verbs", because Kermit knows which string to send under each condition without bothering the user. I'm glad to hear that things are better with your modem. That's always a sensitive area. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 04:35:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: why do screen colors change? Message-Id: <1994Oct21.103503.30745@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 94 10:35:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: > > hello eveyone. > i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to > our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from > bright or bold white to just regular white. 3.13 didn't > do this. Is this something someone needs to check, or > a possible configuration problem here? It's very reproducable. > Happens every time. > > Thanks, and keep up the good work! 3.14 looks really nice. --------------- There is a bug in the handling of bold video attribute. It's fixed in beta-7, but beta-7 has some other things requiring time to straighten out. Thus we won't be issuing beta-7 until after the weekend. Thanks, Joe D. terly about the Control-space part not yielding \0 in Kermit I had to alias the space bar to s an codes rather than its natural ASCII value \32. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 11:58:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:07:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:07:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!news.cuny.edu!n52bc From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: procomm-kermit Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 15:58:33 EDT Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 5 Message-Id: <94296.155833N52BC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me. I have a dial up account to the internet. In order to download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the kermit protocol. But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to download. If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please respond. I will greatly appreciate it. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 23:58:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 20:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 20:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!asuvax!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!nolan From: nolan@crow.lpl.arizona.edu (Mike Nolan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 23 Oct 1994 23:58:07 GMT Organization: Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38etaf$j0v@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crow.lpl.arizona.edu Cc: > (Victor Boyko) writes: >> VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' In article <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit >environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. >Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from >the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit As I understand that: if I have set terminal control 7, I should get ESC [ A etc? show term says Term controls: 7-bit. I still get \233 A (the 8-bit CSI) I explicitly set term control 7, and I still get \233 A. I set term byte 7 and set parity space, and then I get \033 A. This is using vt102 emulation in MSK 3.14 beta-6 -Mike Nolan -- Mike Nolan nolan@{lpl.arizona.edu,arizvms.bitnet,looney.span} Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona, Tucson AZ 85721 USA Phone +1 602 621 1594 or message at 2234; Fax +1 602 621 4933 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 00:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:12:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:12:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU!lusgr From: lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 24 Oct 1994 00:09:59 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chili.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. : Joe D. I noticed the same thing. For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends out ESC O P normally. However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes C-O P which doesn't seem to be right. Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but becomes ESC A. I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until the beta 7, but since you brought it up... I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function keys stopped working. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roseman Lehigh University Computing Center lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.Edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 08:20:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:06:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23440 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:06:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: APC's and auto-downloading Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:20:35 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in kermit -s on the remote computer? BTW, the APC documentation is not quite clear to me which is why I am asking this question. -- Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:18:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:18:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC's and auto-downloading Date: 24 Oct 1994 13:18:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38gc6c$nu5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in > kermit -s on the remote computer? > The host application must send an APC escape sequence containing "receive", e.g. kermit -C "apc receive, send foo.bar" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:19:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:19:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:19:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Deleting files after send Date: 24 Oct 1994 13:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <38gc9c$o0f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > > How do I delete files after sending them through the kermit -s > command, like the sz -u command in Zmodem? (BTW, I do not want this as the > default) > You'll have to write a macro for this, e.g. define usend send \%1, if success delete \%1 and then use "usend" instead of send. If you want to access this command from the system command line, do it like this: kermit -C "usend foo.bar" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 16:25:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:25:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:25:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 Ready for Testing Date: 24 Oct 1994 16:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <38gn5g$ah8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 is now available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Windows PIF file: Program version number corrected to 3.14; hardwired pathname is now avoided on the assumption that KERMIT.EXE has been installed somewhere in your PATH, so now the PIF file does not need alteration by those who do not install KERMIT.EXE in C:\KERMIT (follow the Windows installation instructions in the top-level READ.ME file). . Fossil code now reinitializes the fossil driver upon return from DOS; fossil/BBS operations should work smoother now. . TAKE-file reader bugs fixed; TAKE-file command lines can be up to 1000 characters in length (hyphenated or not). . More work on improving ESC key word completion in the command line parser. . Various other fixes to command parser, mainly involving improper responses to illegal commands. . Tektronix-mode escape-back/connect-again now goes back to Tek screen as it should, rather than to text screen. . Status-line legend 7n1 is now explained in Alt-h popup help screen. . In ANSI emulation, Ctrl-L is now treated as ANSI home-and-clear-screen. . SET TERM EXPANDED-MEMORY default is back to OFF. Using expanded memory, if it is present, by default should be safe, but it seems that memory-management configurations are often incorrect and/or inconsistent (e.g. between DOS and Windows). Also, additional consistency/sanity checks are made when you SET TERM EXPANDED ON. . SET TERM CONTROLS {7,8} again operates as advertised; thus arrow keys, etc, send 7-bit (default) or 8-bit CSI. Prior to Beta-7, arrow-key (etc) sequences would be improperly sent in 8-bit form when TERMINAL CONTROLS 7 if TERM CHARACTER-SET was TRANSPARENT. This should clear up the problems recently reported with arrow keys, etc. . Visual bold attribute in terminal emulation corrected to track user preference set via the SET TERM COLOR command. . SHOW TERM now says "underscore" rather than "underline", to agree with the SET TERM UNDERSCORE command. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 15:20:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:08:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:08:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!UQuebec.CA!Rene_Ouimet From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Subject: New apc in kermit 3.13 Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:20:12 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting ms-kermit to send back it's version. The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... Thanks for any help... Rene_Ouimet@uqss.uquebec.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:06:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:07:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:06:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New apc in kermit 3.13 Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:06:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <38h0kf$7so@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) writes: > I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string > from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting > ms-kermit to send back it's version. > > The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the > user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old > terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... > Well, this is tricky. Starting in version 3.14, Kermit sends its version as part of the Answerback string: MS-DOS KERMIT_314_term-type In version 3.13, the answerback string was: MS-DOS KERMIT (but with no CR on the end). In version 3.12 and earlier, there was no answerback message. Thus, if you can get each PC user to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, and then send an ENQ character (Ctrl-E), and if you get back MS-DOS KERMIT" in response, then it's version 3.13 or later and therefore OK to use APC. But then, if you can get them to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, you can just as easily get them to SET TERMINAL APC ON. I don't think there is any good way to do this that will always work. In 3.0 through 3.12, the TERMINALR/S macros had no definitions, and so it does no good to send the corresponding sequences -- you might or might not get anything back, and even if something does come back you can't predict what it will be. In 3.13 and later you can't use an APC sequence to ask any questions, because any function (like OUTPUT) that could send arbibrary material to the host in response to an escape sequence is disabled by default, for safety. Similarly, answerback messages are also disabled by default, though this is not for safety as much as it is a defense against noisy connections. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 14:01:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:12:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: <1994Oct23.200109.30954@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Oct 94 20:01:09 MDT References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) writes: > : No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. > : Joe D. > > I noticed the same thing. For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends > out ESC O P normally. However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes > C-O P which doesn't seem to be right. Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but > becomes ESC A. I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until > the beta 7, but since you brought it up... > > I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics > characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function > keys stopped working. > > Steve ------- Ok, I now understand the problem. It's fixed in the next beta release, as they say. Situation is like this. With TRANSPARENT GRight some people still want to deal with glyphs in the C1 8-bit control area, and they may do so via ALT-nnn and the like. Thus for TRANSPARENT 8-bit stuff is sent as-is. But the keyboard verbs (arrows etc) went though the same procedure, and thus could come out as SS3 P and so forth. Comments on choppage still apply. In beta-7 have added a separate pathway for the keyboard verbs such that they are converted into 7-bit equivalents if SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT has been given. Beta-7 will be available Monday, baring any last minute discoveries. Since News postings to/from my place take at least a day to cross the country you may see beta-7 before this message. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:47:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:48:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!EU.net!uknet!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:47:09 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 205 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <38h2vt$5j4@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen (ravn@imada.ou.dk) wrote: % I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it. I would very % much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so % far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived % last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap % Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit? Here you go. Perhaps the Kermit team would like to pick it up and include it in the distribution. I haven't been watching comp.terminals lately, so I don't know if there's a more recent version. Leila -- # Description: DEC vt320 termcap entry # # Created by: composer@cs.bu.edu on 10 Feb 1990. # Last modified by: composer@cs.bu.edu on 20 Mar 1990. # Posted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 15 Feb 1990. # Reposted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 20 Mar 1990. # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # This vt320 termcap entry is a test entry for a vt320. (Imagine that? ;-) # It was written from scratch. All (well, at least, most :) of the # capabilities have been commented and should be approximately in the order # that they are in the entry. I took some educated guesses at some of # these, with info from the vt320 "Installing and Using .." manual and from # some other termcap entries. I have yet to test the status line stuff, I # will probably test it soon, though. Where I wasn't sure what to put for # a capability, I added a comment of some sort. Also, the initialization # string has comments about what each control sequence is supposed to do. # If you have any comments or questions regarding this termcap entry, or if # you see something I missed, please send me a note. Thanks... # # Enjoy!! # # -jeff # # p.s. Yeah, all these comments don't need to be included, but (who knows?) # they might be useful for some of those out there that have not built a # termcap entry before, or have forgotten. If any changes are made that I # feel should be reposted, I will probably only post the main termcap entry # with the comment for the `is' capability only. But, then...I dunno.. :) # # Jeff Kellem # INTERNET: composer@cs.bu.edu (or composer@bu.edu) # UUCP: ...!harvard!bu-cs!composer # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # hs: has status line # es: other display cmds work while writing the status line # (i.e. escape strings work) ## ts: cmds to move cursor into status line # moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?), # then clears to end of line # fs: cmds to move cursor back from status line to previous position # ds: cmds to disable the display of the status line # maybe we should just set status line type to none for disable # as in, :ds=\E[0$~ # but, then, may have to chg to host-writable stat line to # move into it. :( probably leave it alone for now.. # anyways, would rather just keep it host-writable.. # currently, we're doing .. # moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?), # clears to end of line, then moves cursor back to prev position # im: enter insert mode # ei: exit insert mode # IC: insert N chars # mi: safe to move cursor in insert mode. I'm assuming that the # terminal remains in insert mode. (I need better technical docs ;-) # dc: cmds to delete one char position at the cursor # DC: cmds to delete N chars # dm & ed: enter/exit delete mode .. should these be here? NO del mode! # in some termcap entries they seem to be set to nothing, as in: # :dm=:ed=: ... and others they are nonexistent # al & AL: insert one/N line/s # dl & DL: delete one/N line/s # cs: set scroll region - 2 args, top and bottom lines of region # sf: cmds to scroll one line up # sr: cmds to scroll one line down # am: flag says wrap on margin # xn: flag says cursor on last column/line wrap glitch # ce: cmds to clear to EOL # cl: cmds to clear entire screen and position cursor at upper left # cd: cmds to clear the line the cursor is on to end of screen # ec: cmds to clear N chars, starting with char cursor is on # cm: cmds to move to cursor position LINE, COLUMN # ho: cmds to move cursor to home position, upper left corner # @@@ NO ll: cursor to lower left ?? # cr: cursor to beginning of line ?? set to ^M right now, why not? # nw: cmds to move cursor to beginning of next line # ta: cmds to move cursor forward to next hardware tab # @@@ NO bt: NO backward tab that I can find .. so, NOT included # bs: ADDED 27 Feb 1990, nethack and some older programs need this # `bs' capability is obsolete now, though... # le: cmds to move cursor left one column - should this just be ^H ?? # bc: OBSOLETE - same as `le' capability --REMOVED # nd: cmds to move cursor right one column # up & do: cmds to move cursor up/down one line # LE,RE,UP,DO: move cursor N of above lower case capabilities # sc & rc: save/restore cursor position # so & se: start/end standout mode (reverse video) # ms: says that it is safe to move cursor in standout mode.. # is this ok??? @@@ ?? seems so..but, maybe not..who knows? # mb: cmds to turn on blinking attribute # md: cmds to turn on bold/double-bright attribute # mk: cmds for invisible attribute # mr: cmds to turn on reverse attribute # me: cmds to turn OFF all attributes # @@@ What about uc & ul capabilities .. old underlining stuff..?? # @@@ doesn't seem like vt320 can deal with it, but who knows? # @@@ What to do about alternate character set?? vt320 can handle more # @@@ than one alternate set, it looks like. # vi & ve: cmds to turn cursor off & on # bl: cmds to sounds bell # ks: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys in application mode # ke: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys back to normal # kl/kr/ku/kd: chars sent by left/right/up/down arrow keys in appl mode # k1 .. k4: chars sent by pf1 .. pf4 keys # l1 .. l4: strings on pf1 .. pf4 keys (really, "pf1" to "pf4") # @@@ put here so as not to confuse with f1 to f4 keys # kD: chars sent by the `Remove' key ("delete char" key) # kI: chars sent by the `Insert Here' key ("ins char" or # "enter ins mode" key) # kN: chars sent by the `Next Screen' key ("next page" key) # kP: chars sent by the `Prev Screen' key ("previous page" key) # what about "scroll forward/reverse" key capabilties instead?? nah.. # is: initialization string # exit vt52 mode # set operating mode to vt300 mode, 7-bit controls (default) # soft terminal reset # set screen width to 80 columns, side-effect => clears screen # set screen mode to dark background # OVERRIDE disabling of autowrap (from soft reset) # probably shouldn't, but who cares? :) # set autorepeat mode on # set scrolling to jump scroll # set keyboard usage mode to typewriter # set status line type to host-writable # @@@ set tab stops to every 8 positions (only first 9, for 80 col) # @@@ *NO* need to set tab stops. `tset' should try to do it, since `ct' # @@@ and `st' capabilities exist. It uses a combination of `ct', `st', # @@@ and `ch' (or `cm') capabilities to set tab stops at every 8 pos. # # rs: reset string, same as `is' capability, right now.. # any other suggestions? # st: cmds to set tab stop at current cursor column # ct: cmds to clear all tab stops # db|vt320|vt300|vt320-am|vt300-am|dec vt320 w/am:\ :co#80:li#24:\ :hs:\ :es:\ :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K:\ :fs=\E[0$}:\ :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$}:\ :im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:mi:\ :IC=\E[%d@:\ :dc=\E[P:DC=\E[%dP:\ :al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:sf=\ED:sr=\EM:\ :am:xn:\ :ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[J:cd=\E[J:ec=\E[%dX:\ :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ho=\E[H:\ :cr=^M:nw=\EE:ta=^I:bs:\ :le=\E[D:nd=\E[C:up=\E[A:do=\E[B:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:DO=\E[%dB:\ :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:\ :so=\E[7m:se=\E[27m:ms:\ :mb=\E[5m:md=\E[1m:mk=\E[m:mr=\E[7m:me=\E[m:\ :us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:\ :vi=\E[?25l:ve=\E[?25h:\ :bl=^G:\ :ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:\ :k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:\ :l1=PF1:l2=PF2:l3=PF3:l4=PF4:\ :kD=\E[3~:kI=\E[2~:kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :rs=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :st=\EH:ct=\E[3g: # db|vt320-w|vt300-w|dec vt300:\ :co#132:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :tc=vt320: # # da: says scroll up may bring back some lines..does it? haven't # tried it. (Maybe should get rid of `da'...up to you.) # Are there any other enhancements made in Kermit's vt320 emulation # that I should add? # de|vt320-kermit|mskermit|kermit-vt320|MS-Kermit v3.00 vt320 emulation:\ :ch=\E[%dG:cv=\E[%dd:\ :da:tc=vt320: # these names are getting ridiculous .. de|vt320-kermit-w|mskermit-w|kermit-vt320-w|MS-Kermit vt320 (wide):\ :co#132:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :tc=vt320-kermit: # End of vt320 termcap entry -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:27:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:44:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:44:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!not-for-mail From: david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Date: 24 Oct 1994 12:27:53 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine, Department of ICS Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: binky.ics.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Executive Summary: Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from clearing the screen? Fuller Description: I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the prompt for the user's login name, at which point control is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved by the loss of the prompt for the login name. I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are doing the blanking). Apology: If this is not the right newsgroup for a question of this level, I do apologise. I won't bore you with the list of places I looked before posting, but, honest, I did look :-) -------- David Harnick-Shapiro Support Group, Department of david@ics.uci.edu Information and Computer Science ucbvax!ucivax!david University of California, Irvine From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 22:04:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:04:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Date: 24 Oct 1994 22:04:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <38hb0k$or5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) writes: > Executive Summary: > Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from > clearing the screen? > > Fuller Description: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. > If the command parser is active, then the terminal emulator is not active, and vice versa. There is no screen to clear. The terminal screen is created when you first CONNECT, which is after your script program has finished executing. There is no way around this. To soothe your users, maybe you could add a message to your script program like: echo Your are now logged in to blah. In a moment, you will be echo connected to blah. Please do not be unnerved by the blank screen. getc \%a Press any key to begin your session... > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). > Version 3.13 has been out since June 1993, and we are now beta-testing version 3.14 (note: the GETC command in the example above is new to 3.14). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 23:54:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:05:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:05:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looping until keypress Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:54:41 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 35 Message-Id: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file def loop - :l - set alarm 5,- pause 5,- if not alarm goto e,- output \13,- goto l,- :e - end However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line. Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds, and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr :l set alarm 5 pause 5 if not alarm goto e output \13 goto l :e end then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Victor From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 22:07:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:08:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:07:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!fritz From: fritz@gems.vcu.edu (J. E. Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New apc in kermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1994Oct24.180723.2045@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 18:07:23 -0400 References: Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) writes: > I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string > from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting > ms-kermit to send back it's version. > > The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the > user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old > terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... We use the PRODUCT macro for this, since it is supported in both 3.12 and 3.13. On the other hand, we were lucky enough to have started doing this in 3.12, so the move to 3.13 was fairly smooth. -Fritz From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 04:15:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 00:21:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 00:21:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for multiple phone number macro Date: 25 Oct 1994 00:15:17 -0400 Organization: ncsc Lines: 18 Message-Id: <38i0ol$fct@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.ncsc.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone have a macro for dialing multiple phone numbers in C-kermit? Ok to assume same parameters (baud, parity, etc). It should try the numbers in sequence, repeating that sequence until a successful connection was made or it was interrupted. I was envisioning a macro that could be used in .ksd, and the first time it was invoked would load an array from a new file, say $HOME/.kgd, that would define named groups of related numbers. These named groups would be used with the macro in place of the phone number, and the macro itself would be used in place of the "call" macro. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten quite comfortable enought to write it myself yet, but being something that seems to me pretty obvious, I'm hoping someone else has. -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:28:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:05:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:05:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:18 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu>, David Harnick-Shapiro (david@binky.ics.uci.edu) wrote: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. My suggestion would be to have your login script (your TAKE file) prompt the user for his/her login name and password, and put these values into variables for later use by your script (that is to say, have your script handle the prompts for login name and password, too.) On my host, for example, login can fail for a variety of reasons after the login name and password is supplied. I've added more instructions to my login script to handle this situation, thus automating the entire login process. > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). No, they are not. You see on your terminal screen only what comes in from the serial port after the CONNECT command executes. If you have your CONNECT command conditional on the results of an INPUT command ('INPUT {whatever}', 'IF SUCCESS CONNECT'), you'll see on your terminal screen only what immediately follows the string that the INPUT command was testing for. If you decide to have your script handle the login name and password prompts, I'd suggest that you update to at least MSK 3.13. Your users will not want their passwords to echo back on the screen; MSK 3.13 includes a new command, ASKQ, which turns echo off when it prompts the user. (You might want to prompt them twice for their password, and have your script compare the entries for consistency.) Also, for security, it would probably be a good idea to add a line or two to flush the user's login name and password out of memory ('ASSIGN \%variable' with no value following will do the job) just before going to CONNECT mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 25 05:43:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:08:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:08:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!vanbc!cacclin From: cacclin@vanbc.wimsey.com (Stephen Cacclin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: URGENT: Kermit needed for SuperDOS Date: 24 Oct 1994 22:43:51 -0700 Organization: Wimsey Information Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: vanbc.wimsey.com Keywords: SuperDOS Kermit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #13 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just as the tag line says...I am in need of Kermit for an operating system named SuperDOS. SuperDOS is a very esoteric multi-tasking pseudo-O/S for PC's made by BlueBird Systems of California. They have informed me that there is a version of Kermit available - anyone know where? I have looked at kermit.columbia.edu but could not find it. First correct respondent is truly a master of weird and archaic knowledge. Actually, if I find anyone who has even heard about SuperDOS, I'll be amazed. Help! Stephen Cacclin Echelon Computing From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:55:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:31:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:31:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: The reason why I (and many others) can't upload... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:55:48 GMT Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-posting this here may seem like proselytizing the converted, but I thought that there might be some in this group who would enjoy seeing it (like f'rinstance, the Kermit developers :) ... [ Article crossposted from netcom.software ] [ Author was Glenn R. Stone ] [ Posted on Tue, 25 Oct 1994 01:11:00 GMT ] In deejay@netcom.com (Jack Wilson) writes: >... because I telnet in (from a local freenet). TELNET only transmits >7 bits, so it chokes on 8-bit protocols like ZMODEM and XMODEM. > RLOGIN can handle uploads just fine. this is gonna *sound* cheesy, but it's a lot better than you'd think... so can... (ta daaaa) Kermit. "But Kermit sucks!" Not anymore. Kermit 3.14 for DOS and 5A(190) for Unixen supports megapackets (up to 9k if your connection will handle it, though 9600 usually goes best at around 1k), sliding windows, partial file transfers for those bombed connections, TCP/IP (that's right, Kermit does NETWORKS! Let's see DumbCom 57.5 do that!), and, in the DOS version (at least), a damn nice vt320 emulator with configurable colors for the various underline/blinkenmoden. Now, granted, this is beta software, but 5A(190) is due out of beta Real Soon Now, and 3.14 will follow it... and most of the beta bugs are on real obscure systems or some such (I did find a bug in 5A(178) when it came out, but that was when AIX was fairly damned obscure, so my point stands...). The goodies (source and pre-compiled executables for your favourite boxen) are on ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test (I think that's right, follow the README's to be sure) and free for the taking. "But how am I gonna get the binaries down to my PC if I'm stuck with eightbit download software and a seven bit line?" Have no fear, gentle netizen, they've solved that problem. They've got an encoded bootstrap file and a little BASIC program to decode it into a form you can use to go grab the real thing. Check out the README files and such like in the appropriate directories. Not only that, if you really don't want to give up WunderKom but are still stuck with the seven bit curse, they've got a stripped down version called KerLite you can use as an auxiliary transfer program (i.e. shell out, crank up KerLite to do your download, exit back, and be back in your favorite snazzy screenbitpusher). This sounds a helluva lot like a sales pitch. It's not. Kermit is FREE, gratis, de nada, on the net.house. But having put a little time and effort in on it myself and (a) seeing how extremely functional, albeit in an un-flashy way, it is and (b) preferring to see folks get something for free than shell out hard-earned bucks to the fat cats, I thought I'd say something. Besides, I'm tired of seeing a damn nice piece of work get dissed (or worse, dis-missed). It scripts, it autodials, it slices, it dices, it juliennes fries. And all for the price of your time to go fetch it. No, it's not flashy. It works. Well. The only thing it won't do is run X, and that's the only reason I ever touch another commo program DOSwise. It's the only thing I use to serve downloads on the Unix side. You could even use it in place of FTP if you've a kitchy machine or firewall in the way. Whee. In a nutshell: Seven-bitters, get Kermit and grin instead of whine. warp eight bot, kermit addict From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Message-Id: <1994Oct24.192400.31110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 19:24:00 MDT References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu>, david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) writes: > Executive Summary: > Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from > clearing the screen? > > Fuller Description: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. > > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). --------- Nope. The terminal emulator must be in a known state when emulation begins, and the screen should be clean to hold what the host may send. Imagine the host sending cursor commands over a screen previously scribbled upon at Kermit command level. That would be a mess for 99.x% of the users. Why not go ahead and finish the script job by prompting for a password and reading it quietly, then start Connect mode? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 15:49:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:13:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:13:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: <1994Oct24.214919.31123@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 21:49:19 MDT References: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) writes: > Hello! > > I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds > until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file > > def loop - > :l - ^^^^---------- syntax error. This line must have a comma to demark the end of line, like this :l,- Use SHOW MAC LOOP to see its definition. > set alarm 5,- > pause 5,- > if not alarm goto e,- > output \13,- > goto l,- > :e - > end > > However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line. > Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds, > and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I > press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr > > :l The end of line is explicit in the file since you put it there. > set alarm 5 > pause 5 > if not alarm goto e > output \13 > goto l > :e > end > > then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is > inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is. The corrected form of your macro (not Take file) works perfectly here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 07:50:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 04:30:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 04:30:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!med.su.oz.au!blackburn.med.su.oz.au!alucas From: alucas@blackburn.med.su.oz.au (Andrew Lucas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: z-modem & c-kermit Date: 25 Oct 1994 17:50:57 +1000 Organization: Faculty of Medicine, University of Sydney Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blackburn.med.su.oz.au Summary: zmodem & c-kermit Keywords: zmodem Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there world, I use c-kermit for OS2 and have a great utility program called p.exe which provides zmodem capability to c-kermit. Question: Is there an equivalent UNIX program that I can get for my host? Thanks in advance Andrew - Sydney, Australia alucas@med.su.oz.au From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 09:28:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DIALING SCRIPT not found Date: 25 Oct 1994 09:28:41 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work. I've read the documentation that came with mstibm.zip from the ftp site. I've tried all the flavors of setting my dialups.txt and it still tells me that dialing script not found. I am currently running with the following set in my autoexec.bat : SET DIALFILE=C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT What's wrong!!!! :-( Dwight -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 09:11:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:54:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:54:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:11:41 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: >Hello! >I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds >until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in a script. You could solve the directory problem by defining a macro that points to the script, eg. 'define loop take c:\kermit\loop' or some such. (You could then tie it to a hot key, with 'set key \#### {\Kloop}', where #### is the scan code of whatever key you want to activate it.) Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:17:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:22:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:22:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:17:20 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) to MS-Kermit 3.14? Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to turn on and off for memory considerations :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 13:11:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:12:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:11:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIALING SCRIPT not found Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:11:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38j06r$hf8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) writes: > > I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work. > Oops. There is a problem in Beta-7 that will be fixed in Beta-8. Watch this space for announcements. Sorry. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 13:14:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:14:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:14:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in > a script. > Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros. You can even issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context. As Joe pointed out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 15:33:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:06 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:33:57 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 03:22:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Oct 94 09:22:54 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) > to MS-Kermit 3.14? > > Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. > > Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to > turn on and off for memory considerations :-) > > Ken > kudut@ritz.mordor.com ---------- There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of code in an already extremely complex environment internally. As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 16:48:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:00:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:00:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:48:01 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) >writes: >> I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in >> a script. >> >Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros. You can even >issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context. As Joe pointed >out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma. Ahh, that's good to know. Our news feed's been a bit slow, and Joe's article hadn't reached us when I posted. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 16:15:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:48:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:48:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: procomm-kermit Date: 24 Oct 1994 16:15:58 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 Message-Id: <38gmju$njl@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <94296.155833N52BC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >Can somebody help me. I have a dial up account to the internet. In order to >download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the >kermit protocol. But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to >download. If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please >respond. I will greatly appreciate it. Like this: On your Unix system on the Internet, running C-Kermit, say: kermit -s filename then press the PgDn key on your PC, and Procomm will attempt to download the file. The old, shareware, version of Procomm which I had was far backlevel, even then, in the Kermit features supported. Hope they're better now. All kinds of things can go wrong. You may not even be running Unix. Kermit may not be in your PATH. It may not be installed at all. -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 19:53:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:44:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!lester.appstate.edu!krb From: krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 25 Oct 1994 19:53:04 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lester.appstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a "Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the Ms-Kermit prompt. I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem. I have my modem defined to Hayes. I think this might be the problem. But none of the other *.scr files seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems. Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download? Kinney From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 22:57:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:57:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 Ready for Testing Date: 25 Oct 1994 22:57:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <38k2h2$l6n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 6:45pm EST, Tuesday Oct 25: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Trimming of trailing spaces at end of command and before comment in a TAKE file (broken in Beta-7) mostly fixed, but still needs a bit more work. This affected a lot dialing scripts and similar items in Beta-7. . Fossil driver fix when sending file-transfer data packets that are longer than the fossil's transmit buffer length. . SET { SEND, RECEIVE } PATHNAMES { ON, OFF } added. SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES OFF is useful on BBSs or other unattended systems when you want to restrict incoming files to the current directory. SEND is OFF and RECEIVE is ON by default for compatability with previous behavior. . Resetting the terminal (Alt-=) while in Tektronix submode of a VT terminal and then toggling to a VT mode (Alt-Minus) now restores the proper VT state for arrow-key codes sent to the host. . GETC rejects special keys (such as Fn) and quits when Control-C is typed. . Fixed bug in closing network connections when Kermit exits to DOS. . SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE {ENABLED, DISABLED, DOS-ONLY} -- DOS-ONLY added in this edit, and is the new default. Allows 80/132-column video-mode switching in DOS only, not Windows. Use ENABLED to allow it in Windows too, at your own risk (equivalent to Patch 9 in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13). . "kermit server 600" and similar commands could hang DOS. Now fixed. . KERMIT.HLP and .BWR files updated, cleaned & trimmed a bit. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 23:00:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:00:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:00:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 25 Oct 1994 23:00:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <38k2mo$lee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) writes: > Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer > here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a > "Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the > Ms-Kermit prompt. > I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem. I have my modem defined to Hayes. > I think this might be the problem. But none of the other *.scr files > seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems. > Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download? > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not one specifically for the Infotel. Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where to get the Beta. Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches the Infotel. If so, please let us know. If not, maybe you could pick out the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the same kind of modem can use it. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 00:07:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 20:07:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 20:07:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 Beta-8 Glitch Date: 26 Oct 1994 00:07:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <38k6ke$qe3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that the remaining "minor problem" regarding trimming of whitespace from commands read from TAKE files, after removing the trailing comment, prevents our dialing scripts from working. Sorry! This will be fixed in Beta-9, coming soon. Meanwhile, one can work around the problem by editing the dialing script to remove trailing comments (and intervening whitespace) from INPUT commands. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 08:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:43:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:43:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!gohkeech From: gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 Ready for Testing Date: 25 Oct 1994 08:32:12 GMT Organization: DISCS, NUS Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38ifqc$93g@nuscc.nus.sg> References: <38gn5g$ah8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gohkeech@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm facing problem dialing with beta-7. I have a dialing script to dial a list of numbers that so far has worked with beta-6. The problem is encountered after DIAL outputs the phone number and simply stops there with a NO CARRIER. -- (_orenzo . Lawrence Goh I C _|_ X C Department of Information Systems & Computer Science N I | K A National University of Singapore Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui, nobis post hoc exilium, ostende. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 14:32:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:50:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:50:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!uunet!psinntp!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Spaces after a string in Beta 7 Date: 25 Oct 1994 10:32:07 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 16 Message-Id: <38j4t7$1v5@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have discovered a feature (or maybe a bug) in Beta 7 that is not described in the release notes and that makes all old dialing scripts obsolete. For example, suppose there is a line output ATI3\13 ; Get modem information Instead of outputting "ATI3\13", Kermit outputs "ATI3\13 ". This can be fixed by changing to output {ATI3\13} ; Get modem information Without this change it does not work. -Victor From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:41:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:36:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:36:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!mathezer From: mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kerep-alive option? Date: 26 Oct 1994 02:41:28 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 14 Message-Id: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsj.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit keep it alive for me? Thanks -Steve From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:21:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:22:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:22:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option? Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:21:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38lom2$ca9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) writes: > > Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? > > I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will > drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that > I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. > There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. > I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a > few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit > keep it alive for me? > You did not say what kinds of computers are involved or what versions of Kermit you are using, etc. From what you say, however, it seems that your local system, the one that you used to make the connection, is capable of running Kermit at the same time as another application. If that is true, then all you have to do is write a little script program that makes Kermit send a character every once in a while, for example: :loop sleep 60 ; Sleep for a minute output \0 ; Send a NUL goto loop Adjust as needed. When you want go back online, bring Kermit to the foreground and interrupt it, e.g. by typing Ctrl-C. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 04:01:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:44:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:44:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!hrbicf!aje From: aje@icf.hrb.com (Andrew J. Eckhardt, MS 274) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: White-space Beta-8 Message-Id: <1994Oct26.090120.22207@hrbicf> Date: 26 Oct 94 09:01:20 EST Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Your parsing of script files has a bug. (V3.14 BETA-8) Here is an excerpt from my dialing script that illustrates the bug: :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... ^ | A tab here made the input command fail. When I replaced by a space it works. Regards -- ========================================================================= Andrew Eckhardt HRB Systems, P.O. Box 60, 300 Science Park Road, State College, PA 16804 Tel 814 238 4311 FAX 814 234 7720 Internet aje@hrb.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:01:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:27:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:27:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? References: <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:01:22 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > > > Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) > > to MS-Kermit 3.14? > > > > Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. > > > > Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to > > turn on and off for memory considerations :-) > > > > Ken > > kudut@ritz.mordor.com > ---------- > There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an > item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the > one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last > executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what > memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately > everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of > code in an already extremely complex environment internally. > As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone > I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill. > Joe D. Actually, Joe, the way that you've written MS-Kermit to take partial commands, finish it up with the Escape key, with help available at every level... is astounding! But I was just curious :-) I thought there might be a way to use a public domain TSR recall, which "remembers" each time a user hits . Don't worry about it, Joe - it's not a big thing. And you're right - it would be far more work for you than the benefit. You provided context-sensitive help while other programmers were happy to stick only a "reminder" screen and nothing else :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:23:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:02:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:02:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!taurus.fccc.edu!vanderli From: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:23:53 GMT Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> Reply-To: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Nntp-Posting-Host: aquila.rm.fccc.edu X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-24 Originator: vanderli@aquila Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All. I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. My questions: - does this sound like a reasonable assumption? - how can I fix it? I scanned through the C-Kermit book, but did not see anything obvious. Thanks for any pointers... Michel -- ----------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------- Michel van der List | 'Dat typies hollands | The Fox Chase Cancer Center M_vanderlist@fccc.edu | vingertje' | 7701 Burholme Avenue (215) 728-3660 | | Philadelphia, PA 19111 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 17:32:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:32:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 17:32:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> vanderli@aquila.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) writes: > I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem > ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. > This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, > ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, > it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does > not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. > Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin. For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr: kermit /usr/me/x.scr or: kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr or: kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 06:51:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:20:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:20:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Digicomm Connection script does not work anymore X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 06:51:00 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using the current version of MS-Kermit. Beta-7. The script to dial with the digicomm connection 14.4 modem stopped working properly when I started using this and I have to manually dial to make connections right now. Is there a fix for this available? (Currently the problem is that during dial, the script seems to put an extra character after the dialer has been initiated therefore cancelling the dial procedure. Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:55:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option? Message-Id: <1994Oct26.085545.31292@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 94 08:55:45 MDT References: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) writes: > > Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? > > I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will By what pathway? TCP/IP? Serial? Another kind of networking? > drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that "inactive" is a slippery word, whose meaning is dependent on the item doing the measuring. > I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. So compose a very simple macro or Take file to sit in a loop and Pause or Wait for 19 minutes and then send whatever your host wishes to consider "active" but "uninteresting" to keep the connection alive. MSK responds to TCP/IP keepalives, but it never generates gratutitous data bytes by itself (but your macro/Take file can). Please have a look at the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for examples about composing macros and Take files. > There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. > I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a > few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit > keep it alive for me? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 19:00:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:53:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:53:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!taurus.fccc.edu!vanderli From: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 19:00:49 GMT Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 53 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38m911$1oe@taurus.fccc.edu> References: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Nntp-Posting-Host: aquila.rm.fccc.edu X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-24 Originator: vanderli@aquila Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> vanderli@aquila.fccc.edu (Michel van >der List) writes: >> I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem >> ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. >> This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, >> ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, >> it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does >> not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. >> >Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than >feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin. >For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr: > > kermit /usr/me/x.scr > >or: > > kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr > >or: > > kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr" > >- Frank Thanks, unfortunately I had it set up as follows: % cat kermitstuff #!/usr/local/bin/kermit ... ... ... which was nice, since my script could now just do: % cat otherscript #!/bin/csh -f /usr/local/bin/kermitstuff ... ... ... Oh well, I'll do it the other way. Michel. -- ----------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------- Michel van der List | 'Dat typies hollands | The Fox Chase Cancer Center M_vanderlist@fccc.edu | vingertje' | 7701 Burholme Avenue (215) 728-3660 | | Philadelphia, PA 19111 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 10:38:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:21:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:21:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lille1.fr!zaphod.crihan.fr!bilbo.crihan.fr!rp From: rp@bilbo.crihan.fr (Renaud Patte) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on AS400 Date: 26 Oct 1994 10:38:42 GMT Organization: CRIHAN, Mont-Saint-Aignan (France) Lines: 6 Message-Id: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: bilbo.crihan.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400. Would someone tell me where to find it? Thanks a lot. internet : rp@crihan.fr From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 21:39:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:39:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:39:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on AS400 Date: 26 Oct 1994 21:39:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> rp@bilbo.crihan.fr (Renaud Patte) writes: > I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400. > Would someone tell me where to find it? > Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400. Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever actually even started, as far as I can tell. This system (together with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major gap in the Kermit software collection. I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication methods. Anybody who is seriously interested in pursuing this should contact me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 16:58:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:35:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:35:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Message-Id: <1994Oct25.225847.31270@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Oct 94 22:58:46 MDT References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>,<388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>, meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de writes: > In Article <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> [...] >>The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but >>if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: >> >> set key \313 \32 >> >>in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated >>the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. > > My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give > special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's > keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm). > Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode, > so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence... ---------- \313 is the scan code for space-bar on regular IBM-PC keyboards. What does your keyboard produce for space bar? If it is the same as keypad 9 then I guess you are out of luck with this situation. How about changing to non-VT mode on the driver, however that might be accomplished? It is helpful to know a technical detail here. MSK's keyboard translator doesn't understand keyboards. The translator has not the faintest idea of what is printed on key caps, nor that it's a keyboard rather than something entirely different. Yup, true, and by design. The tiny key reader part reports either ASCII results or "scan" codes, for non-ASCII, coming from the Bios or from DOS. For the ASCII case some keys are aliased back to their scan codes, and the space bar is one such case. The Enter key is another. If a low level keyboard driver modfies those codes then Kermit may not produce an alias since aliases are in a hard coded list of numbers appropriate to the IBM-PC Bios (in the IBM-PC version of MS-DOS Kermit, other Bios' for Zenith 100 and Victor 9000 editions of MSK). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 05:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14/Beta-8 command-line -f bug Date: 26 Oct 94 05:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 7 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Cc: kermit@columbia.edu (Kermit Distribution) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) On my IBM PC AT, "kermit.exe -f initfile" does not read in the initialization file unless it is named mskermit.ini. However, once inside Kermit, "take initfile" works. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 22:31:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem Date: 25 Oct 1994 22:31:21 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1. We have a very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so that I can specifically report that the pool is busy. Can anyone suggest a reason why this is a bad idea? I'm worried that maybe Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support X4 and that's why X1 was chosen? 2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows. One of these was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4. In both cases, the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is run from DOS. Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows? Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows is active in the background? (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid question.) -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 00:51:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:51:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:51:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <38mtj8$i95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > 1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1. We have a > very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so > that I can specifically report that the pool is busy. Can anyone > suggest a reason why this is a bad idea? I'm worried that maybe > Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support > X4 and that's why X1 was chosen? > Hayes 1200 does not support X4. For modern modems, don't use HAYES.SCR, but rather one of the many high- speed modem scripts. > 2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands > at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows. One of these > was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4. In both cases, > the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is > run from DOS. Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows? > Windows is not exactly the best environment for running communications software. And there is no such thing as "simple tweak" to Windows. Well, if the PC has a buffered UART, tell Windows about it in the SYSTEM.INI file, something like COM1FIFO -- see KERMIT.BWR for details. For non- buffered UARTs, all bets are off under Windows. Unfortunately, this is an increasingly common combination... > Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows > is active in the background? (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid > question.) > There are actually many cases: Kermit is running under plain DOS, Kermit is in a Windows fullscreen session, Kermit is in a Windows window, and then all the others (OS/2, DesqView, etc). I doubt if there is anything that can be depended upon, but somebody else might know better. I recognize that we might need a little more intelligence in the dialing scripts -- falling back to lower baud rates and/or inserting pauses between output characters, etc, under error conditions, and/or allowing the speed from the dialing directory to override the default speed in the dialing script. I'm not sure if all that can (or should) be squeezed in during the Beta period. We'll see how it goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 22:07:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 05:43:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 05:43:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!news.ach.uams.edu!news From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode Date: 26 Oct 1994 22:07:42 GMT Organization: UAMS-Computing Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.30.1.66 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings! We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit. On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run C-Kermit ver. 5A(189). The only problem is that many of our users are encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various communications packages. I myself have encountered problems with an older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240 (DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal program have also been reported as problematic. Other packages such as Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to work just fine. The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit) Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads. Others have apparently encountered similar problems. My questions are these: Are there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based kermit clients? If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it behave like our 'old' kermit-32? Is there perhaps something at the vms level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly? I realize that I haven't given a great deal of detail about our problems, but I'll be happy to discuss it further if necessary. Any help/suggestions are appreciated...thanks! Bruce Hulsey Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences bbhulsey@life.uams.edu OR bruce@mail.uams.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 13:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:15:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:15:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <38o953$okf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) writes: > Greetings! > > We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an > Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit. > On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run > C-Kermit ver. 5A(189). The only problem is that many of our users are > encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various > communications packages. I myself have encountered problems with an > older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240 > (DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal > program have also been reported as problematic. Other packages such as > Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to > work just fine. The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was > that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit) > Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads. Others have > apparently encountered similar problems. My questions are these: Are > there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based > kermit clients? If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it > behave like our 'old' kermit-32? Is there perhaps something at the vms > level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly? > C-Kermit *does* work properly, it's the other products that don't. Use MS-DOS Kermit, any version back to 1981, on your PCs against C-Kermit and it will work fine. Clearly we can't be responsible for other peoples' Kermit implementations. We have no relationship with any of these companies. Most (not all) producers of commercial and shareware Kermit implementations pay little attention to the protocol definition, in particular to its extensibility features -- the negotiated parameters that, when properly implemented, allow the oldest, most primitive Kermit implementation to interoperate automatically with the newest, most feature-laden version. In chasing down complaints like these, we have encountered products that totally ignore the negotiation phase and plow ahead using whatever parameters they feel like, or, conversely, are confused by new items that would not confuse them if they paid attention to the negotiation phase. If you use real Kermit software, it will work. Or if it doesn't, you'll get good support. By the way, I'd recommend that you install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VMS system. You can obtain it via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text. Get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. Even though it is still in the test directory, this is the real release, only awaiting the big file shuffle to its new home, kermit/b, where it should show up within a few days. Aside from clearing up some problems that 5A(189) had in VMS (especially when run in batch jobs, when SPAWN'd, etc), it adds new features like file-transfer recovery. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 20:10:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 27 Oct 1994 20:10:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 124 Message-Id: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 3:08pm EDT Thursday, Oct 27: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Comment/blank/tab stripping fixed, dialing works OK again. . kermit -f d:\blah\blah\blah\oofa.scr fixed. . SET CARRIER ON seems to work fine, even during file transfer. That is, it pops back to the prompt (or DOS, depending on how Kermit was invoked) immediately when carrier drops. . SET TERM VIDEO-CHANGE DOS-ONLY / ENABLED now work as advertised. . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music". About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"... It's bad enough that we must endure the so-called "ANSI standard" -- which has nothing whatever to do with ANSI (the American National Standards Institute), and which is not a standard in any sense because it is not documented anywhere -- but... Wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the "standard" for ANSI terminal emulation? I would guess that it should be the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS, the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards 2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console driver. Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are commonly used by BBSs. For example: Two betas ago somebody complained that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing "standard". What was it? Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L. To my knowledge, no CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy printers use it for page feed). Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female" sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI standard for screen clearing). It also seems that many BBSs send ESC[6n, cursor position report request. This is a valid ANSI and VT100 sequence, but it is not part of ANSI.SYS. OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus creative interpretation of some control characters. But if one is going to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the *form* of an ANSI escape sequence (more properly called a control sequence), which is: ESC [ intermediate-characters final-character The final-character is a function code, and the intermediate characters are parameters (data or modifiers) for the function. A terminal, emulator, or other device parses these sequences very easily using a simple finite-state automaton, which works efficiently because final characters are immediately distinguishable from intermediate characters because they are in different columns of the ASCII table and thus have different bits set. Final characters are the ASCII characters @ (64) through ~ (tilde, 126). Thus, once the terminal has seen ESC [, it gobbles up all subsequent characters that are outside the final-character range and stores them in a parameter buffer, and then when it gets the final character, it executes the indicated function using the accumulated parameters, if any. Example: ESC [ 3 M deletes 3 lines, beginning at the line where the cursor is. If the number is omitted, the current cursor line is deleted. Parameters are typically numbers, semicolons, question marks, etc: printable (note: printable) ASCII characters outside the final-character range. (Why printable? Because many control characters already have time-honored functions.) Now along comes "ANSI music". What is it? It is "beeper" music encoded like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command. It comes right after the ESC [, and can start with any character at all. Example: ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ... and is terminated by a Ctrl-N. What is wrong with this idea? 1. A correctly designed escape-sequence parser will not recognize it; it is likely to encounter a final character within the string itself. In this case, the first character, M, is a final character ("delete lines"). 2. A random function will be executed depending on what final character was found, and which, if any, characters came before it. 3. The terminating character, Ctrl-N, is not in the final-character range. If no final character is encountered prior to the Ctrl-N, the Ctrl-N will be ignored, as are most other control characters inside of escape sequences. 4. Ctrl-N has an entirely different function, used all over the world for nearly three decades: Shift-Out. This tells the terminal to interpret 7-bit codes as the corresponding 8-bit codes. You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music? It's cute!" Maybe so, but then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard. The problem with the current definition is not just one of purity. It is that a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final character. So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O). So if you log in to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that point on you will no longer see total gibberish! OK, off my soapbox. The foregoing tirade was principally to head off requests for Kermit to support ANSI music. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu, and let's hope 9 is a lucky number... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 22:23:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:23:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRIME Kermit binary needed Date: 27 Oct 1994 22:23:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <38p98e$mue@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody have Kermit running on a PRIME computer with PRIMOS? Most PRIME sites are able to compile it from the source, but one came up recently that did not have the PL/P compiler handy. Preferably this would be the current release, 8.15. If so, pls send me email. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 10:24:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:28:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:28:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun2!s3e0101 From: s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 28 Oct 1994 10:24:29 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Netters, I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with cntrl F5] uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error message from kermit is "too many retries". There are probably various possible solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be stripping the files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit cannot digest. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 03:50:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!tubsibr!news From: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:50:00 GMT Organization: Inst.f.Nachrichtentechnik, TU Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>,<388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Article <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > [...] >The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but >if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: > > set key \313 \32 > >in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated >the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm). Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode, so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence... --Eckart ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eckart Meyer Address: Schleinitzstr. 23 Institute for Telecommunication 38092 Braunschweig Technical University of Braunschweig Germany Phone: +49 531 391 2454 E-Mail: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de FAX: +49 531 391 5192 VMSmail: PSI%26245050551130::MEYER (DATEX-P) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 00:07:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!lester.appstate.edu!krb From: krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 28 Oct 1994 00:07:39 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> References: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> <38k2mo$lee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lester.appstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not : one specifically for the Infotel. : Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where : to get the Beta. : Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches : the Infotel. If so, please let us know. If not, maybe you could pick out : the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the : same kind of modem can use it. I'd be happy to do my small part. But should I just try scripts one by one until they work? Or is there an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script to try? Kinney From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:24:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:25:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:24:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <38qu34$cm9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not > : one specifically for the Infotel. > > I'd be happy to do my small part. > > But should I just try scripts one by one until they work? Or is there > an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script > to try? > All the high-speed modem scripts do pretty much the same thing; only the specific modem commands are different. Here is a cutout from the MODEMS\READ.ME file: WHAT THE DIALING SCRIPTS HAVE IN COMMON These scripts use your modem's default dialing method, pulse or tone; they do not specify one or the other, since neither method is supported by all telephones everywhere. To force Tone dialing, begin your phone number with T, for example: DIAL T7654321 Similarly, to force pulse dialing, start the phone number with P. If you give a DIAL command whose telephone number is simply = (equal sign), the modem will be initialized, but no call will be placed. In some cases, the dialing script will also ask the modem to display its configuration. When dialing a real phone number, you can include special characters in the phone number to accomplish pauses, wait for secondary dialtone, etc. See your modem manual. If you dial a number that is busy, most of these scripts will wait 30 seconds and then redial automatically, up to 5 times. You can cancel the redial operation by pressing any key after you see the message: Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. Press any key to cancel... Each dialing script returns SUCCESS if dialing succeeds and FAILURE if it doesn't, so you can use an IF FAIL or IF SUCCESS statement after a DIAL command in a script. (end of cutout) So pick one of the high-speed modem scripts and read it, referring to your modem manual to see if the modem commands are the same. If not, repeat with another script and so on until you find one, or you've used up all the scripts. In the latter case, pick the script that is closest, make a copy, call the copy INFOTEL.SCR, edit it to use the appropriate modem commands, test it, debug it, and when it is working properly, you are invited to send it in for redistribution. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:33:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:33:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:33:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-Id: <38quji$dfe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () writes: > I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with > cntrl F5] uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error > message from kermit is "too many retries". There are probably various > possible solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be > stripping the files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit > cannot digest. > There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest. This is a tranmission problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity. Just tell Kermit to "set parity space" (or even, or mark) and it should work. Space is the most likely one to use, since Kermit can detect even, odd, or mark parity automatically, if you are using real Kermit software of recent vintage (the past several years). A second question is: how will the file be used on Unix? If you have a Unix version of WordPerfect, then you don't have to "export" the file (save it as "ascii only") from PC WordPerfect, in which case you should transfer it in binary mode. If you intend to use it for some other purpose, then you must export it. If that is what Ctrl-F5 does, then I suspect the problem you are experiencing is because the file contained German letters (Umlaute, Ess-Zet), which are 8-bit characters, which were interfered with by parity. SET PARITY will fix this, as I said above, but you also have to be concerned with the character set. Kermit will translate your German text from the PC code page to whatever character set is used on the Unix host to represent German text, typically ISO Latin-1 or the German national version of ISO 646. You can, of course, read about all of this in the manual (which is also available in German) (and French): Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:19:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:25:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!news1.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: keithw@access4.digex.net (Keith Willett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit As A Passive Data Collector Date: 28 Oct 1994 09:19:34 -0400 Organization: Wye Technologies Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file. The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps statistical data on a periodic basis. The switch sends data to the serial port as it would to a printer. I can't signon to the switch or otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends. I am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward the results to anyone interested. Thanks. -- ---Keith Willett From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 16:01:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:40:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:40:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!kocrsv08.delcoelect.com!kocrsv01!c23st From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: Kermit on AS400 Message-Id: <1994Oct28.160150.18451@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> Sender: news@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Usenet News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: kocrsw24 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. References: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:01:50 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400. >Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever >actually even started, as far as I can tell. This system (together >with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major >gap in the Kermit software collection. > >I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly >hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since >they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its >descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication >methods. You mean that the AS/400 is even worse than MVS in that aspect? Kermit has been on MVS for aeons... and it's EBCIDIC and hopefully uses the same protocol... Progress :-) Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46904 (317) 451-0815 Software Development Tools, AD/SI c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics/GM Hughes Electronics "Reading, 'Rithmetic, and Readnews" From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 21:06:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:50:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:50:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!dosa From: dosa@eng.umd.edu (Young Beom Kim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991 Date: 28 Oct 1994 21:06:49 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ether.src.umd.edu Keywords: Mac Kermit 0.991 Originator: dosa@ether.src.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991? I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further. How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS 7.1 and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Young From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 22:04:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:04:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:04:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991 Date: 28 Oct 1994 22:04:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <38rsgi$93n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> dosa@eng.umd.edu (Young Beom Kim) writes: > Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991? > I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further. > How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS > 7.1 and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/test/text directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 18:26:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 20:34:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 20:34:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!georged From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Info on DOS script Date: 28 Oct 1994 18:26:15 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Friends, I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a sequence of commands that will: 1. connect ("c" to connect) 2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response 3. type a command in [enter] 4. Wait until the next prompt comes up 5. type anothe command in [enter] 6. login name: 7. password: The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc... any help, or even isolated commands will be great. ============================================================================= TTTTTTTTTTTTT Temple University Press TTTTTTTTTTTTT George Dimitoglou TTTTT Business Dept. TTTTT TTTTT U.S.B Rm. 305 | E-mail: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu TTTTT Broad & Oxford Sts., | tempress@astro.osis.temple.edu TTTTT Philadelphia, | Tel : (215)204-8787 TTTTT Pa 19121 | Fax : (215)204-4719 ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 16:29:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 21:45:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 21:45:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!long From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Message-Id: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> Date: 28 Oct 94 16:29:33 GMT Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an SGI Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options. To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control. Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what. Thanks Neil From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 11:03:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:07:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:07:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun2!s3e0101 From: s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 29 Oct 1994 11:03:16 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38ta5k$l9i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> <38quji$dfe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote on a question I asked about the transmission of Wp 5.1 ascii files with kermit and said inter alia: >There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest. This is a tranmission >problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 07:40:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:40:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:40:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: Gianluca Attura Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest Beta? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:31:30 CET Organization: MC-link - Italian Dial-Up Online Service Lines: 12 Message-Id: <783394290.MC8114@mclink.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Which is the latest MS-Kermit Beta? I've downloaded kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip, but it reports Beta 9 instead of Beta 8. Luca ------------------------------ Eagle --------------------------------- _____ . _____ CompuServe : 100112,3521 \__ \O/ __/ Internet : mc8114@mclink.it BIX : gattura \__ __/ FidoNet : 2:335/336.11 GEnie : G.ATTURA /_\ Channel 1 : Gianluca Attura From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:10:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:06:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:06:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!ongsheau From: ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing problem in Beta 7 Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:10:00 GMT Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 15 Message-Id: <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ongsheau@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not found'. Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables. When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the user variable will not be included in the variable test. This could be why the CHKMDM macro doesn't detect the dialing script. -- Regards, Jonathan *** You can mail me at 'ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg' *** From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 15:57:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!lorne.stir.ac.uk!is06 From: is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 26 Oct 1994 15:57:40 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Lines: 13 Message-Id: <38lu9k$f7d@lorne.stir.ac.uk> References: <388mio$9rq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: is06@forth.stir.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) : writes: : > This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find : If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX : system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit : to also include it. Ah, that's it, it dosen't even give the telnet command. : anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary : mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Thanks. Ian Stirling. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:15:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:15:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:15:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Info on DOS script Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:15:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <38tlek$p0k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU) writes: > I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a > sequence of commands that will: > 1. connect ("c" to connect) > 2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response > 3. type a command in [enter] > 4. Wait until the next prompt comes up > 5. type anothe command in [enter] > 6. login name: > 7. password: > > The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line > dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc... > You can write a script to do anything automatically that you would do interactively, including decision-making, etc. Script-writing is documented thoroughly in the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit". Kermit's script language is a programming language, and programmers generally learn and work from manuals. Two things in connection with your question: 1. You replace CONNECT (which connects a person, through the keyboard and screen to the external device, host, or service) with OUTPUT and INPUT commands. 2. There is nothing special about a modem. You give it commands and read its responses, same as a computer that you are logging in to. So if you don't want to read the documentation, then use the dialing scripts as examples of how to carry on an automated dialog. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:21:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!ongsheau From: ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unstable file transfer over modem Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:21:34 GMT Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 13 Message-Id: <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ongsheau@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries, and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver 3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable, usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to abt 1100 for beta 6. -- Regards, Jonathan *** You can mail me at 'ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg' *** From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 16:49:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:45:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:45:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: MULLEN@SCORPION.AG.UIUC.EDU (Evil Twin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc :-) Date: 26 Oct 1994 16:49:01 GMT Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38m19t$fh3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hornet.ag.uiuc.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 19 Oct 1994 17:38:02 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu writes: > In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. > Lewart) writes: [... deleted ...] > > There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > > reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > > to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > > > I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it > happens at random times no matter what application is running. > You know. Sometimes in the morning my alarm doesn't wake me up. Is there something wrong with my kermit set-up? Tony - :-) -- Evil Twin - one_spike the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind - //~____/ ~\\ mullen@hornet.ag.uiuc.edu \\~ \ ~// one_kill! From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:53:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:53:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:53:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> long@vax.oxford.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) writes: > Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an > SGI Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options. > To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control. > Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow > rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what. > Unless I am missing something, there is no API in IRIX for hardware flow control, so rebuilding with -DCK_RTSCTS would not have any affect, even though it compiles without error. So, as noted in ckuker.bwr, section 8, the only way to get hardware flow control with C-Kermit under IRIX is by selecting a /dev/ttyf* device. This is unfortunate, because Kermit does not (and can not) know that hardware flow control is in effect, and so (for example) cannot configure your modem correctly. This, by the way, is the same style of implementing hardware flow control that is used by NeXTSTEP. Looking through , however, I do note the following definition: #define CNEW_RTSCTS 010000000 /* RiscOS API compliance */ If this actually means something and can be used to control RTS/CTS, then some code can be added to C-Kermit, probably within #ifdef IRIX51..#endif, to take advantage of it. If you want to look into this, please send me e-mail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:56:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:56:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unstable file transfer over modem Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:56:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38tnrh$qrn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) writes: > I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the > modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries, > and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver > 3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable, > usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to > abt 1100 for beta 6. > We will need more information in order to help you with this. It is not a general problem at all -- thousands of other people are beta-testing MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 without noticing any degradation in performance. Please read the KERMIT.BWR file about interrupt and memory conflicts. I suspect a memory conflict caused by the temporary change in SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY default to ON. It has since been changed back to OFF. If you SET TERM EXPANDED OFF and the problem goes away, this means that you have a faulty expanded memory configuration. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:59:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:59:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:59:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing problem in Beta 7 Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:59:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <38to12$qv5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) writes: > The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not > found'. > Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables. > When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the > user variable will not be included in the variable test. > I think you are suffering from the time difference between New York and Singapore. These problems should all be fixed in Beta-9. When reporting problems: (a) it is better to send your reports directly by email to kermit@columbia.edu, to avoid the Usenet news time delay, and (b) please include the Beta edit number. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 17:35:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 05:05:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 05:05:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> Date: 29 Oct 94 21:35:45 EDT References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 126 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the > "standard" for ANSI terminal emulation? I would guess that it should be > the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS, > the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization > that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function > of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the > VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards > 2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console > driver. That style of escape sequences was known as "ANSI" long before Microsoft used them in the ANSI.SYS driver. I remember several terminals from the late 70's/early 80's that did not claim full VT100 compatibility but which did claim to be ANSI terminals. The main distinguishing characteristics of the new crop of `PC ANSI' terminals seem to be omitting some of the DEC specific features and adding sequences for color. Both ANSI.SYS and the DECterms on DEC workstations support the color sequences (although the DEC VT340 color graphics terminals do NOT - color is supported mainly through the graphics commands). > Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are > commonly used by BBSs. The ANSI.SYS driver doesn't include many sequences that are allowed by essentially every other `ANSI' terminal. For example, the clear-screen sequence in ANSI.SYS is defined to be ESC [ 2 J, which clears the entire screen; but essentially every ANSI terminal other than ANSI.SYS allows arguments other than 2 (0 or omitted clears from cursor to end of screen and 1 clears from cursor to beginning of screen). I don't think ANSI.SYS is very representative of anything other than itself. > For example: Two betas ago somebody complained > that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing > "standard". What was it? Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L. To my knowledge, no > CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy > printers use it for page feed). Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver > clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female" > sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI > standard for screen clearing). There actually were a couple of terminals that would clear the screen on a bare CTRL-L; I think one of the early ADM terminals (not the popular ADM-3 but an earlier one) might have, and I know that the ACT-4 did. I think one or another of the old Tektronix terminals or terminals that emulated them would also allow a CTRL-L to clear the screen in addition to the more normal ESC CTRL-L sequence that was the recommended way to clear the screen. (I know that wasn't universal for Tektronix-like terminals, so very little software used it). It's been a long time since I've dealt with that vintage of terminals, but I might be able to dig up some old documentation on them. I'm unaware of any `ANSI' terminals that clear the screen on a CTRL-L, but there might be one. It's certainly not part of the standard, even a de facto one. > [Good description of the form of an ANSI escape sequence deleted] > > Now along comes "ANSI music". What is it? It is "beeper" music encoded > like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command. It comes right after the ESC [, and can > start with any character at all. Example: > > ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ... > > and is terminated by a Ctrl-N. What is wrong with this idea? > > [... Analysis of problems with this scheme deleted...] How could ANY reasonable terminal emulator interpret this syntax as described? Since ANSI terminals are in general at the end of a wire with characters arriving at indeterminate intervals (unlike block mode terminals where you usually have definite start- and end-of-packet markers and so can know exactly what the entire sequence being sent is, so that you can design parsers for languages where the interpretation of a token can have a more complex dependency on later tokens in the stream), I don't see how this could be expected to work in the general case. The only way I can see to implement this type of functionality reliably is on a single system (say as an ANSI.SYS replacement) and to require that the entire music sequence be sent in a single write command to the OS. The amazing thing is that current practice in ANSI terminal sequences already provides a way around this. There are four sequences that allow encapsulating sequences to the terminal that might not follow ANSI syntax: ESC P Begin Device commands ESC ^ Begin Privacy commands ESC ] Begin OS commands ESC _ Begin Application commands All are terminated by an ESC \. (All of these can be replaced by the appropriate C1 control character by adding 0x40 to the character following the ESC character and omitting the ESC). Within the string bounded by these sequences, you can put anything you want that your terminal emulator can parse. Terminals that don't know how to interpret the sequences will just ignore them. Why design a kludge such as described above where you must have to make guesses about how many characters will arrive in how much time in order to parse the string, when there is already a way to do what the designer must have wanted? This is the sort of thing you might expect when someone who is not qualified to design such a protocol attempts to do so. > You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music? It's cute!" Maybe so, but > then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard. The > problem with the current definition is not just one of purity. It is that > a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape > sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final > character. > > So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in > ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O). So if you log in > to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters > and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that > point on you will no longer see total gibberish! If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal emulator environment. Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 17:23:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:23:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:23:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 17:23:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: > If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed > to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I > would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken > program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. > If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; > but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal > emulator environment. > > Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? > I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured from a BBS. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation. It has nothing to do with how the music string is displayed. Who cares, right? It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until a Ctrl-O is received. Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen. Messages and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and line drawing characters, etc). Yes, of course ANSI music could have been implemented as "Application Program Command" or any of the several other string-bearing escape sequences. In fact, that's what I expected it was when I first heard of it -- a well- defined, delimited string conforming to ANSI (i.e. American National Standards Institute, not "ANSI" in the BBS sense) and ISO rules, containing a series of encoded pitch and duration indications, probably as numbers separated by semicolons. How naive of me! Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot. Then it might actually gain some acceptance. Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications. In other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for other purposes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 18:59:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:01:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 30 Oct 1994 18:59:52 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 29 Oct 1994 14:53:45 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the "dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know how to configure it, just your .kermrc file. I installed Kermit 5A(189) on an Indigo with 4.0.5f, and it worked fine with only software flow control. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 19:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:45:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:45:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 19:45:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <390t45$hqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 2:30pm EST, Sunday, October 30: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Fossil-driver hangup bug fix, and add explict raise and lower of DTR signal to perform a connection hangup when using a fossil driver. . GETC command now returns backslash numeric codes for keys which yield control codes, DEL, space, and the four delimiters (, ), {, }. \fcode(arg) now accepts backslash numeric codes as representing a character. Thus \fcode(\65) and \fcode(A) both return two bytes 65. . Internal change to ODI handler. Physical address length of Arcnet boards changed from 1 byte (which it really is) to 6 bytes to satisfy ODI. . New command SET MODEM is exactly like DEFINE _MODEM , but more intuitive, and also familiar to C-Kermit users. . Correct a bug in handling \$(NAME) environment-variable handling. . SET CARRIER ON is now enforced in addition places during packet mode, to ensure that carrier loss is acted upon immediately. . Binary-mode file transfers were broken if the transfer character-set was set to Japanese. Now fixed. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for all of this work, and to Hirofumi Fujii for the Kanji item. Note: Kanji terminal emulation is not yet operational, and is still being worked on. And thanks to all the beta testers for their good reports! Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:26:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:26:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:26:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prime Kermit Binaries Now Available Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:26:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <390vhb$k79@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Binaries for Prime Kermit versions 8.12, 8.14, and 8.15 are now available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, files: prime812.run prime814.run prime815.run Thanks to Don Prezioso and Haakan Sjoegren for sending them in! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:27:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:38:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:38:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!barrnet.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:27:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 Message-Id: <390vjf$ia2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music". : About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"... It's bad enough that we must I wouldn't invalidate the ^N sequence just to make one BBS happy. Does this BBS require a particular DEVICE=music.ansi.sys? What PC emulator can interpret it (Procomm+Music)? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:48:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:48:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:46:08 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: raoul@athena.mit.edu's message of 30 Oct 1994 18:59:52 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes: Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the "dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know how to configure it, just your .kermrc file. Minor correction: this is for if your software and /dev/ entry know to handle hardware flow control, as well. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:26:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:15:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:15:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!solomon.technet.sg!symtech From: symtech@solomon.technet.sg (Symbolic_Tech.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem connection Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:26:11 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 3 Message-Id: <38qu5j$96i@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a CASE 9600 modem hook up on a Personal IRIS running IRIX 5.2. I am using uucp for dialing out to Internet. However I kept having problems when I want to dial in from outside. I followed all the steps in the system administration stated in the IRIX documentation, but it still failed. Could anyone out there give me a helping hand? Everytime when I dial in from outside, I got the message connected, but the login prompt never appeared. Thanks in advance./ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 23:44:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:41:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:41:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!rebecca!albnyvms.bitnet!BACIEWJ From: baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: vax/mac Date: 30 Oct 1994 23:44:19 GMT Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 16 Message-Id: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> Reply-To: baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet Nntp-Posting-Host: uacsc1.albany.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have two problems: I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows: parity space duplex full flow xon/xoff handshake none but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on the vax.Any thoughts? Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? thanks joe baciewicz baciewj@cnsvax.albany.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 13:26:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:13:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:13:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit As A Passive Data Collector Message-Id: <1994Oct30.192657.31666@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Oct 94 19:26:57 MDT References: <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net>, keithw@access4.digex.net (Keith Willett) writes: > > I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor > the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file. > The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps > statistical data on a periodic basis. The switch sends data to the > serial port as it would to a printer. I can't signon to the switch or > otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends. I > am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward > the results to anyone interested. Thanks. > > -- > ---Keith Willett --------- Easy, and in the manual. Use Connect mode (terminal emulation), but before starting it say LOG SESSION filename. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 08:42:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!gohkeech From: gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: eval `resize` in macro? Date: 29 Oct 1994 08:42:23 GMT Organization: DISCS, NUS Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: gohkeech@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro. The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100 queries while a macro is runnning. Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros are run to resolve this? TIA. -- (_orenzo . Lawrence Goh I C _|_ X C Department of Information Systems & Computer Science N I | K A National University of Singapore Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui, nobis post hoc exilium, ostende. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 18:27:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:07:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:07:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> Date: 30 Oct 94 22:27:15 EDT References: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: >> If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed >> to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I >> would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken >> program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. >> If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; >> but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal >> emulator environment. >> >> Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? >> > I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured > from a BBS. > > Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and > Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation. It has nothing to do with how the music string > is displayed. Who cares, right? > > It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal > to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until > a Ctrl-O is received. Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI > music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen. Messages > and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and > line drawing characters, etc). Frank, I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might not have. But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets. We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O) technique; it's what's available on the largest number of terminals. > Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign > so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a > totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot. Then it might actually > gain some acceptance. Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely > important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that > identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or > version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications. In > other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or > similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for > other purposes. These are reasonable suggestions. I don't know if it would be more reasonable to make a music escape sequence look like another ANSI escape sequence with `;'-delimited parameters and an operation at the end or whether it should be in an APC or DC or other string, but if it's the latter it should be in a format that would not be likely to be misinterpreted as, for example, a Sixel or ReGIS string or other command string intended for specific terminal types. I'm sure I could do it if I could find the time but I don't seem to have a lot lately. Any other takers? Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 23:00:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:37:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:37:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 23:00:52 GMT Message-Id: References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus > creative interpretation of some control characters. But if one is going > to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the > *form* of an ANSI escape sequence (...) Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a. SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there is a real definition of it... -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:16:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:17:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:16:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:16:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as > encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it > be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a. > SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there > is a real definition of it... > We don't have any plans for this, but if there were a significant demand (so far there has not been), we might consider it. Many other items have higher priority. I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted. To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the SCO console driver. True? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:19:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:19:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:19:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: eval `resize` in macro? Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:19:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <392udm$i9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) writes: > I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro. > The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100 > queries while a macro is runnning. > Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros > are run to resolve this? TIA. > This is indeed a Frequently Asked Question. When the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active. When the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active. Thus, when writing script programs that log into VMS (which does a SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE) or that must respond to "cursor position report" escape sequences (such as sent by `eval resize`), the script program itself must look for these escape sequences and respond accordingly. See the KERMIT.BWR file for some examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:24:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:24:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:24:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:24:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: > I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might > not have. But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have > eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets. > We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate > character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O) > technique; it's what's available on the largest number of terminals. > I know. That is whay Ctrl-N/Ctrl-O processing is disabled ONLY for "ANSI" terminal emulation -- not VT100, VT220, VT320, etc. I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access and with character sets. The entire premise of the BBS world is that you have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only one character set in the world: code page 437. Can anybody prove me wrong? Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets, but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type? I would like to think so, but I am not hopeful. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:32:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet writes: > I have two problems: > I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows: > parity space > duplex full > flow xon/xoff > handshake none > but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until > it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on > the vax.Any thoughts? > It could be any number of things, most likely a flow control problem. We have discussed this numerous times. Make sure that the most effective means of flow control is enabled at every point along the communication path. Evidently you are using end-to-end Xon/Xoff (software) flow control, which is often the best you can do when VMS is on the other end. But if you are entering VMS through a terminal server, you might do better with hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your modem supports, and if the remote modem does too, and so does the terminal server, AND it is enabled in all those places and in Mac Kermit too. Read ckmker.bwr for instructions. Also, be sure to tell VMS to SET TERM /TTSYNC /HOSTSYNC. Also, have the VMS system manager read the CKVINS.DOC file, which includes instructions regarding VMS SYSGEN parameters, buffer allocation, privileges and quotas, etc. > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 16:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 16:18:05 GMT Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > > > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love under Will. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Distribution: world Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 17:01:10 GMT Message-Id: References: <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: >> (...) would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, >> a.k.a. SCO-ANSI? > I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the > keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters > associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted. Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the > SCO console driver. True? SCO ansi can be used via the serial driver as well, by using the 'ansi' termcap/terminfo entries. Quite a few terminal-emulation packages have a sco-ansi option now (James River's Ice-ten, for example), which makes it the emulation of choice with these programs. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 22:20:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!MSIMONDS From: MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Subject: Windows version of Kermit?? Message-Id: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:20:01 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even exist? A nd if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 23:03:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!gars!not-for-mail From: robert@gar.no (Robert Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 7-bit access to BBS'es. Was: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 1 Nov 1994 00:03:07 +0100 Organization: Gallagher & Robertson A/S Lines: 45 Message-Id: <393t3b$7aa@stratos.gar.no> References: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stratos.gar.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access >and with character sets. The entire premise of the BBS world is that you >have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only >one character set in the world: code page 437. >Can anybody prove me wrong? Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is >designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets, >but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type? I would like to think so, but >I am not hopeful. You're being overly pessimistic. Below is a screen snapshot from the character set configuration in the BBS system we run here. This BBS is also programmed to support both 8bit-none and 7bit-even parity, with detection being done automatically at logon time. All while running in "ANSI" BBS emulation mode. The same BBS software runs at a few hundred sites around the world, with most installations in Norway and Finland. Which character set are you using (type ? for help): ? Character sets: look at these characters... 1:[ 2:] 3: 4:A 5:# 6:^ 7:{ 1) If 1 is a left square bracket then 1a) If 3 is a japanese Yen sign (capital Y) you have IBM 1b) If 3 is a norwegian OE then you are using IBN 1c) If 3 is a small u with an accent you are an Apple MAC 1d) If 4 is a capital A with an accent then you have ISO 1e) If 5 is a number sign (double cross) you have US7 1f) If 5 is a pounds sign then you are in UK7 2) If 1 is a capital A with two dots on it then 2a) If 2 is a U with two dots on it then you have GE7 2b) If 2 is a A with a ring over it then you are using SF7 3) If 1 is a capital AE sign then 3a) If 6 is a U with two dots on it then you are using DE7 3b) If 6 is a caret (hat, circumflex accent) then it's NO7 4) If 1 is a degree sign then 4a) If 7 is a small e with an accent then you have FR7 4b) If 7 is a small a with an accent then you have IT7 5) If 1 is an upside exclamation mark then you have SP7 Regards, Robert. -- Robert Andersson Voice +47 22418551 Gallagher & Robertson A/S robert@gar.no Fax +47 22428922 Kongensgt. 23, 0153 Oslo, Norway From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:56:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:56:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes: > I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even > exist? And if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? > The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:59:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:59:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395hk2$3ii@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In > Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, > shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for > scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > You can make MS-DOS Kermit send anything you want with SET KEY, so at least the keyboard part is user programmable. I don't know what you mean by scrolling and coloring -- Kermit already does those things. Send-screen-to- host is an unacceptable security risk. I don't think adding this kind of emulation would serve any particularly pressing need, since SCO has lots of termcaps -- just use a different one, like VT100, VT320, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:05:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 1 Nov 1994 14:05:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization > commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by > clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load > the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can > be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? > Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, are dim. Sorry, I wish I had better news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 11:14:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 94 09:59:27 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the documentation. Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing ATDT to the modem. And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to > receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that > is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I > start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and > then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems > quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen > automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the > documentation. > Yes, there is a way. Please read about the APC command in the KERMIT.UPD file. > Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? > So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing > ATDT to the modem. > Use the DIAL macros and dialing directory that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Read about them in the same KERMIT.UPD file. The DIAL macro does not CONNECT automatically. This is so it can be imbedded in other macros. If you want to DIAL and CONNECT in a single operation, define a macro to do this: define online dial \%1, connect > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? > Somebody else please respond to this one. > > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu > -- > Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:09:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More lines per page? Message-Id: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 1 Nov 94 10:09:33 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netbeings, I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can get on my Decterms in Motif. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:44:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 17:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <395uqb$m3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Netbeings, > I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, > the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such > that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. > Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can > get on my Decterms in Motif. > Just put the video adapter in the desired mode before starting Kermit. Kermit should automatically sense the number of screen lines -- not foolproof, but it usually works (video adapter details vary). This is usually done with a MODE command, like MODE CO80,55 or whatever. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:17:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Slide Shows Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:17:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3960ni$p3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Henrik Graversen wrote: > Is there a way to control the speed of the REPLAY command > in MS Kermit 3.12? Or maybe even a way to use pagedown, pageup, etc.? > > When I have logged a session to session.log and and want to take a look > at the log-file it is far from easy to read it as it scrolls by at 100 > mph. > There are some tricks. The best trick is to get a more up-to-date version of Kermit (3.13 or 3.14 Beta), which allows *huge* rollback buffers if you put them in Expanded Memory (EMS) via the new command SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY ON. Then you can use SET TERM ROLLBACK to allocate as many as 8000 rollback screens. NOTE: This requires that you have a big physical memory (more than 2MB or more) and that you use an expanded memory manager to configure a lot of EMS. See the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version 3.13 or 3.14. Then you can REPLAY the log file and it will fly past at 100 miles per hour. But after that you can use Home, PgUp, PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn, and End to view it at your leisure. (You can also use new keyboard verbs to scroll right and left, in case the virtual screen is wider than the physical screen). The second trick would be to transfer the log file to the host and then either run it through something like "more" (not great, since it interferes with the display), or write a little utility program that looks for special "signs" in the log (which you would insert with an editor), at which it should pause until you press a key. For MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 02:49:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!slip250.phx.primenet.com!mpomey From: mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on stratus vos Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:49:58 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: slip250.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. Can someone tell me where to find it if it exists? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:04:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on stratus vos Date: 1 Nov 1994 19:04:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3963gh$t1k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) writes: > I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. > I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. > C-Kermit 5A(190) is a full-featured version of C-Kermit for Stratus VOS. The files are in the kermit/test/text and kermit/test/bin directories. The VOS-specific files have names that start with "ckl". This is a brand-new addition; prior to this, we did not have a Kermit program for Stratus VOS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:43:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 beta testing Date: 1 Nov 1994 21:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <396cp9$prr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-370 version 4.3.1 is now in beta testing for all the major variants (CMS, TSO, MUSIC, and CICS). 4.3.1 supports the same new protocol features (RESEND and communication of TEXT/BIN types) being introduced with the test versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, as well as some system- specific updates, such as using the transmitted time tag for files uploaded to CMS or CICS, and support for the new expanded file system in MUSIC. People who are interested in trying out the test version can find the updates in files ik*.nup in kermit/b. Please drop me a line if you plan to do some testing, so that I'll know who's doing what. Thanks. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:00:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!long From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ACCURA14.4 + Beta10 + rts/cts Message-Id: <1994Nov1.190034.27100@oxvaxd> Date: 1 Nov 94 19:00:34 GMT Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been playing with a Hayes ACCURA 14.4 and Ms-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14Beta-10. Could someone explain how to get the best out of it. I have been able to connect with speeds set to 14400 to a v32bis dial in service. Why does ver 3.14 get in to the situation where it sends AT commands at the rate of 1 per 8 seconds for each A...........T......... if I send them with RTS/CTS set but not if flow is none or XON/XOFF. I tried the ultra144 script and that a) took forever and b) gave me a bizarre screen. Most of the codes seemed reasonable. 3.13 doesn't behave this way (not using the scripts and rts/cts doesn't have this effect). Could someone email me a suitable mod to any of the scripts which they know will work with it - I can fool around forever at this rate as the scripts all tend to set rts/cts before sending the codes. I am assuming that the hardware is fine since it works for 3.13 and the 'bundled' smartcom LE for Windows (euggh). Hate Windows. Thanks Neil From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:10:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:10:18 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 46 Message-Id: <396arq$fqc@chopin.udel.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: :Dear Netbeings, : I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, :the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such :that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. :Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can :get on my Decterms in Motif. : :Jim [sig deleted] Okay, here's what you need to do on both ends of the connection. PC--make sure you've got either an EGA card (for 43 line mode) or a VGA card (for 50 line mode). Some cards support some funky things like 60 lines under some Super-VGA setting or another. make sure you load an ANSI driver like ansi.sys or nnansi.sys issue the following mode command `mode con: lines=50'. start kermit. UNIX-connect to host. issue an eval `tset -sQI ` command to set the TERM and TERMCAP environment variables. For example eval `tset -sQI vt220` evaluates and sets the variables for vt220 term. Make sure that you put in the ``I'' argument. If you don't, then you'll see your screen cut in half and only the first 25 lines being drawn on. If this happens, then you'll have to go to the kermit command line and do a `ru mode con: lines=50' command to reset your local terminal. Issue the `stty rows 49' command to set the number of rows (or `stty rows 50' if you don't use the status line at the bottom of the screen), followed by a `reset' command. That should do it. I don't know how to do this if you're connecting to other types of host. I think that for IBM's it doesn't make a difference if they're in fullscreen mode, then they'll use all of the available lines. As for other types of hosts, your mileage may vary. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov1.175821.29608@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:58:21 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is : > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? : > : Somebody else please respond to this one. ;-) My humble opinion is that the book is great and that the online documentation (the files KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR) are very usefull and better than the 'online documentation' found with some other 'free/share/other-ware' programs. The mentioned files have kept me from sending in many questions and bug-reports to the kermit people because the answer to my questions were there. So even without the book the documentation is there and answers most questions you might have. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:03:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: >I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to >receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that >is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I >start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and >then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems >quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen >automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the >documentation. What version of Kermit are you running? Latest beta test is 3.14, revision 10, available at kermit.columbia.edu under the directory: /kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip To automatically send/receive files via Kermit, please check out the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with the beta. It explains how to engage autoupload/download with Kermit. NOTE: MS-Kermit must be version 3.14, and C-Kermit (assuming that is what is on the host side) must be version 190. >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. To dial, type "dial xxx-xxxx" or edit the DIALUPS.TXT file and add the phone number you wish to dial in the format specified in that file. If I'm not mistaken, if you use the "dial" macro, it will connect you. Otherwise, if you are a purist and want to do ATDT before the phone numbers, then put a CONNECT at the bottom of your MSCUSTOM.INI. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Indeed, you can learn almost everything there is to know about MS-Kermit, programming scripts, macros, etc. (which aren't really all that hard!) simply by using the information provided with the Kermit distribution. >Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Indeed - it is a rumour. Is it true? No. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com LISTOWNER of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:56:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@microsys3.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 01 Nov 1994 18:56:06 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: microsys3.engr.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. Thanks for any suggestions, Barry tolnas@utk.edu -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 00:56:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 00:56:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <396o3a$cg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: > >In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set >an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done >automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my >modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. >The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem >and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. > The best way to handle this is to use the built in dial commands: you can either use "set dial init \13ATS28=255\13" or "set dial dial-command \13ATS28=255DT%s\13" move info about the dial commands in "Using C-Kermit" Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 23:04:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: : :In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set :an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done :automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my :modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. :The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem :and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. : :Thanks for any suggestions, : :Barry :tolnas@utk.edu [.sig deleted] Yeah, just put the line `output ats28=255' in your .mykermit file. This is documented in the book and and you can see examples of it in any of the dialing scripts... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 02:43:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Beta MSKERMIT Z100? Date: 2 Nov 1994 02:43:29 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <396uch$h9r@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is not a prod. I am just curious on how to keep up on the latest Beta releases for MSKERMIT 3.14 for non-PC clones? Basically I stumbled across the one for the Z100 by posting here and getting responses that told me one was available. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:59:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cyrillic in beta 7 Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:59:06 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: <395s4q$kla@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! There seems to be a problem with cyrillic in Kermit (invoked by command cyrillic). The Russian letters for 's' and 'e' produce the same character 'c'. This is quite inconvenient. Also, if I use both emacsker.scr and koi8.ini it complains that there is not enough memory for key definitions and discards my emacs key bindings. Victor From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 10:12:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem on kermit Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:12:07 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities while working in kermit. Examples will be appreciates. Thanks in advance, Itamar From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 07:01:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In-Reply-To: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu's message of 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" you are using upon startup? Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:38:30 GMT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398896$u56@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. hmm.... i have another question. i tried this myself and everything seemed to work ok until i opened up mackermit by clicking on the kermit document (which didn't have an icon...). i got a warning saying that this document had _not_ been created by mackermit (it had! it said KR09 in the Get Info window...) and i had to choose to open it with mackermit manually. then, as soon as it had opened i got an error message - something to the effect of "application 'mackermit' has unexpectedly quit due to unknown error number 28". what am i doing wrong? -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu On the day the wall came down The Ship of Fools had finally run aground Promises lit up the night like paper doves in flight - "A Great Day for Freedom", Pink Floyd. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.engr.utk.edu In-Reply-To: fastcart@MIT.EDU's message of 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > you are using upon startup? > > Fast Cart set line /dev/whatever Barry -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:20:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:20:19 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to run on startup. Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about it. Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may respond ATZ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:57:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:57:12 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:32:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:32:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? > Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: SET TAKE ECHO ON SET TAKE-ECHO ON etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: SET DIAL DISPLAY ON MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with the modem. Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit" for complete details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:35:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:35:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 173 Message-Id: <398f5a$6ee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for > kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my > pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to > run on startup. > Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my > university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears > to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about > it. > Information on manuals enclosed below. > Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a > 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will > transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I > am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may > respond > Yes, Kermit will do 1500, 1600 or higher if you use long packets, sliding windows, and control-character unprefixing. Also enable compression and error correction in the modem, and use hardware flow control (our dialing scripts do this for you automatically). For details about long packets and sliding windows, read the manual(s). Control-character unprefixing is a relatively recent addition, documented in the appropriate "update" file, KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit). KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 08:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!rlmix1.rulimburg.nl!ICA.rulimburg.nl!Hans.Verhoeven From: Hans.Verhoeven@ica.rulimburg.nl (H. Verhoeven ) Subject: printing 132 columns Message-Id: Summary: kermit & print controller Sender: news@rlmix1.rulimburg.nl (USENET News System) Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht, Holland Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 08:00:45 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Kermit 3.13 with a VAX-ALPHA HOST application on a Banyan Network (TCP/IP protocol). The application can control the network printer by means of the 'printer controller' sequences (CSI 5 i to turn the hardcopy printer on and CSI 4 i to turn it off again). Of course Kermit will do the trick, however we would like to have the ability of printing in compressed mode (or better: to select a printer driver like HP, IBM etc) because most of the files we print are 132 columns width and we like to print it on a network printer. By the way it is of course not possible to change the printer setting by the well-known printer switchboard. Can anybody give me a suggestion on how to tackle this problem? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:22:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and ISDN Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:22:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <398sed$qnp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have added the following words to the KERMIT.UPD file, but we do not have any verification that these items actually work with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Could somebody -- most likely in Germany or Austria -- with an ISDN interface and a CAPI driver and an ISDN phone please check and report and/or clarify? Thanks! Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission. ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers. There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers. CAPI drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit. Examples: . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler & Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany. It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041. It supports both the Fossil and Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like AT commands. . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede, Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German . Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:06:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 8 Message-Id: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Arcell B. Frazier wrote: >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" >you are using upon startup? I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:28:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:28:01 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note the \v(ttyfd) variable. Is that what you are talking about? Or are you just talking about "set line /dev/ttyp01" type commands? If so, just dump it into your .kermrc --------------------------- my .kermrc -------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 23:12:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) Subject: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Message-Id: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 16 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:12:50 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when running a script with TAKE? I would like to use a script to connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). I would appreciate help with this. Thanks. -Tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 00:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Date: 3 Nov 1994 00:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <399b71$33l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) writes: > With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when > running a script with TAKE? > As the lawyers say, "asked and answered". About once per day on this newsgroup. Again: If the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active. If the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active. You would not want it any other way, at least not if you cared about speed in the terminal emulator. > I would like to use a script to > connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, > but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the > proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the > screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). > Just read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, section 18, Script Programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 08:11:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Date: 3 Nov 1994 08:11:53 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4th Dimension (4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il) wrote: : Hi, : Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities : while working in kermit. : Examples For UNIX platforms will be appreciates. : Thanks in advance, : Itamar From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 05:24:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Message-Id: <9411030524.AA13559@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 05:24:58 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities >while working in kermit. > >Examples will be appreciates. ; ;Thanks to Jason Merrill for this ;define to add zmodem protocol transfers. Add it to your mskermit.ini. define rz run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 rz \%1 \%2, define sz run dsz F ha both est 0 14400 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2, define t run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 t \%1 \%2, Keith -- Keith Petersen Moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce and the MSDOS-Ann mailing list Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 13:44:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: cisitm@albert.cad.cea.fr Newsgroups: alt.spam,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Control: cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Date: 03 Nov 1994 17:44:56 EDT Organization: Just say no to Spam. Lines: 3 Sender: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu. Approved: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu Message-Id: Reply-To: na48985@anon.penet.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This spam has been cancelled. Comments to: na48985@anon.penet.fi. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 20:31:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:31:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous wonders. 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and execute a Kermit command (of any kind). 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen saver or something to refresh the screen. 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Thanks, Andy From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 16:33:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Nov 94 22:33:04 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: > My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we > have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous > wonders. > > 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while > in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does > this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if > there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and > execute a Kermit command (of any kind). Check the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" whose details are given on the Kermit HELP screen and the *.UPD files issued since then. You can assign a Kermit macro as the definition of a key. The macro can do anything you could say at the Kermit prompt, including issue SET TERM commands. Syntax is SET KEY keycode {\Kmacroname} and the \K must be inside the curly braces. > 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. > When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back > to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely > screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and > do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go > back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen > saver or something to refresh the screen. It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, however. > 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the > screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Maybe you mean the opposite here. Hosts can request 80 or 132 columns from VTxxx terminals, nothing more. Kermit obeys those requests. Perhaps you mean that Kermit can tell the host its current screen size upon request, which is true. There is no "auto-detect" in this arrangement, by either host or terminal emulator. Kermit can also report screen size in Telnet Options packets, if the host agrees to do so. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 00:48:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Date: 4 Nov 1994 00:48:00 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 13:32:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk!uclyjjd From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) Subject: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:32:59 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9223 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:991 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if off-line and the connection time when on-line. Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be pathched to reset the timer. This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our 'phone bills ! Julian. -- _____________________________________________________ | Julian Daley, j.daley@ucl.ac.uk | | Department Clinical Physics, Guys Hospital, London. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 17:33:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!israel-info.datasrv.co.il!not-for-mail From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Message-Id: <-39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Control: cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:33:06 GMT Approved: news@israel-info.datasrv.co.il Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 21:45:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through to the remote side? Thanks -- Jason From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 22:31:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 4 Nov 1994 22:31:29 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 11 Message-Id: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jason Venner wrote: >I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > >Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >to the remote side? set term byte 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:25:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172545.32061@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:25:45 MDT References: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with > PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file > but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met > don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about > these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? ---------- No, those little guys aren't specifically mentioned because we lack any useful information to offer (translation: I have no laptop. $$$) Folks will have to struggle to load the proper mysterious drivers to handle the plug-in card and hope for the best. I can imagine anything requiring user intervention will cause difficulties to tech support persons, but the proper channel for help with such cards is probably the card mfr or the laptop maker. The task is to make the card look like a proper serial port (or Ethernet adapter, etc) and that's the purpose of those drivers. Only afterward does Kermit come into the picture. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:28:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: > > I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > > Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. > Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through > to the remote side? > > Thanks -- Jason --------- There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is wierd this way. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 04:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.100241.32014@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 10:02:41 MDT References: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9232 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:996 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk>, uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) writes: > Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if > off-line and the connection time when on-line. > > Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any > sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be > pathched to reset the timer. > > This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our > 'phone bills ! ------- No timer, thanks. Suggest you use the portable, low maintainence, compact, arm mounted (or even the table top model) time mechanism. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 18:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!dwg5400 From: dwg5400@u.washington.edu (Dale Gombert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRIME, Kermit, PCs, & 7-bit: help? Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:54:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 7 Sender: dwg5400@u.washington.edu Distribution: us Message-Id: <39e011$ej5@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Summary: We need help with this combination Keywords: PRIME, kermit, PC, 7-bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! We have several dozen users now familiar with ProComm Plus on PCs, and they routinely transfer ASCII and binary files with a PRIME computer. Our TMS-3 Renex communication controller will only recognize M71, but our internal kermit protocol only works with N81. We would like to be able to set our ProComm Pluses to enable this transfer. Email responses would be perfectly welcome, in preference to Usenet. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 5 13:32:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:32:49 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) | writes: | > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? | > | Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: | SET TAKE ECHO ON | SET TAKE-ECHO ON | etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: | SET DIAL DISPLAY ON | MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with | the modem. | Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using | C-Kermit" for complete details. | - Frank Thanks. I have C-Kermit 5A. I also have your book "Using C-Kermit". (Very good book.) Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!not-for-mail From: stickler@tequesta.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:35:50 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Florida Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inca.gate.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis throughput. Could someone suggest a possible solution, or perhaps some other UNIX terminal emulator that supports kermit at fast speeds? Any help will be greately appreciated. Thanks, =============================================================================== Patrick Stickler Information Group Senior Computer Systems Engineer Martin Marietta Corporation stickler@.gate.net Orlando, Florida 32825 U.S.A. =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:58:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!floyd.brooks.af.mil!smd From: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil (Sten Drescher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Date: 01 Nov 1994 16:58:08 GMT Organization: Armstrong Laboratory Intelligent Training Branch Lines: 27 Distribution: comp Message-Id: References: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Reply-To: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: floyd.brooks.af.mil To: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) In-Reply-To: ravn@imada.ou.dk's message of 15 Oct 1994 09:32:00 -0500 I've cobbled together a termcap entry for mskermit 3.13. I'd welcome any improvements to it. --- cut here --- K7|mskermit313|vt300|vt320|Kermit 3.13 emulation of vt320:\ :am:da:db:es:hs:mi:ms:xn:xo:bs:pt:\ :co#80:li#24:kn#3:\ :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\ :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:\ :ds=\E[2$~\r\E[1$}\E[K\E[0$}\E[1$~:ei=\E[4l:fs=\E[0$}:\ :ho=\E[H:im=\E[4h:\ :is=\E[?1;3;5l\E[20l\E[?7h\E[12h\E[r\E[24;1H:k1=\EOP:\ :k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:\ :k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kb=\b:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kh=\E[H:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:l1=pf1:\ :l2=pf2:l3=pf3:l4=pf4:nd=\E[C:r1=\E[?3l:\ :r2=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:rc=\E8:\ :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:so=\E[7m:\ :sr=\EM:st=\EH:ts=\E[2$~\E[1$}\E[1;%dH:ue=\E[24m:\ :up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:vb=\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:\ :vi=\E[?25l:vs=\E[?25h:ko=dl,ho,al: --- cut here --- I hope this helps. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:12:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 27 Message-Id: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is >the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? They quite freely admit that the books help finance the KERMIT project. And there's nothing wrong with that -- it's a wonderful free program, which you can learn more about (and help support) by buying their books. marshall >Dale > >Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu >-- >Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? -- [Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802] From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:00:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!scws4.harvard.edu!mlevin From: mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 6 Nov 1994 15:00:55 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scws4.harvard.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1002 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6156 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. Mike Levin From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:52:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:55:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:54:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!sledge!cowboy From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Message-Id: <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:52:42 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1003 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6157 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Levin (mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a : kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems : like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, : and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect : to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have : kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a : compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source : distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. You can get the latest (still test) version of kermit from the following URL: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.gz ftp://kermit.columbia/edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.Z From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 17:10:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Date: 6 Nov 1994 17:10:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <39j2lj$bqh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: >> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we >> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous >> wonders. >> >> 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. >> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back >> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely >> screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and >> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go >> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen >> saver or something to refresh the screen. > > It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. >Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so >that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little >idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, >however. The problem is that by using 132 column mode you have put the display hardware into a state which OS/2 does not understand. Try the following: Start a full screen DOS session. Then execute the command "SVGA ON". If the SVGA command cannot be found, change to the \OS2 directory of your boot drive. This command builds a table of each video mode so that OS/2 can safely restore switch back and forth when full screen programs directly manipulate the screen size. x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:45:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:43:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!gsusgi2.gsu.edu!not-for-mail From: isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tom Bowden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:18:49 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <398akp$i36@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsusgi2.gsu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS >Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native >Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary >mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. PFMJI, but there is something I've wondered about MS-Kermit and Windows: Since you include a kermit.pif in the MS-Kermit package, why don't you include a kermit.ico? The one in /kermit/a/wkkico.boo would do very nicely. -- Tom Bowden in Atlanta isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 21:22:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:11:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@markov.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 2 Nov 94 11:10:01 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: markov.mit.edu In-Reply-To: mgflax@panix.com's message of 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. It would have been more useful if you'd mentioned what the command is ("DO DIAL number") and what file it is documented in (KERMIT.UPD). Saying that the documentation is somewhere in the Kermit directory is almost useless -- MS-DOS doesn't come with a grep that can handle wildcards. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- He was the sort of guy who would lie awake at night wondering whether "anal retentive" was hyphenated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:35:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:07:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerca.atl.hp.com!johnp From: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:35:26 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <398bju$941@hpuerci.atl.hp.com> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuerca.atl.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Patrick Stickler (stickler@news.gate.net) wrote: : I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) : with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify : a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any : case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis : throughput. READ YOUR MODEM MANUAL. There is no such thing as a 14.4 speed between a modem and the computer. Valid speeds are ... 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ... The 14.4 is modem to modem only. The modem, if its DTE speed is fixed, will handle the translation speeds between its effective modem to modem connection speed and the speed you use to communicate to the computer. You will probably get the same answer from your SUN tech support. And they will know the fastest speed you can set the computer port to. -- johnP John Pezzano, HP NARC Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 03:48:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu!user From: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > > > >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless > >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes > >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there > >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, > >are dim. > > Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to use. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:21:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:21:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <39ld4m$26o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> stickler@news.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) writes: > I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) > with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify > a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any > case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis > throughput. > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(189), with 5A(190) to be released any day now. C-Kermit should let you SET SPEED to any speed that is supported by the underlying tty driver. In the case of SunOS, 14400 is not one of the supported speeds. But you can use 19200 or 38400. You can't use 57600. Solaris supports a wider range of speeds. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 16:39:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-11 Ready for Testing Date: 7 Nov 1994 16:39:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <39ll88$cfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 11:15am EST, Monday, 7 November 1994: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-10 include: . Correction of RTS/CTS flow control problems that were introduced in Beta-10. . Addition of full Japanese character-ser support in terminal emulation: a) Additional character sets: JIS-Katanaka (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#13) JIS-Roman (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#14) b) Additional choices in SET TERMINAL OUTPUT-SHIFT (for keyboarding of different Kanji character sets): JIS7-Kanji, EUC-Kanji, and DEC-Kanji. JIS7-Kanji can take the following modifers: JIS83-US (default) JIS83-Roman JIS83-75Roman JIS78-US JIS78-Roman JIS78-75Roman NOTE: This item still needs a bit more work, and should be fully operational in the next Beta edit. . Correction of some subtle bugs in screen management which were evident on Japanese DOS machines. . Pointer safety check added in the BOOTP client routine to ensure trouble does not occur if a BOOTP server fails to send a terminal token (255) in the response packet. . One more quick-action routine in file transfer code to react to loss of modem CD as soon as possible, primarily for BBS operators. . Two bugs corrected in the Wyse-50 terminal emulation, relating to setting of bold/dim/reverse visual attributes and to using a full 132 column screen. . Begin packing the executable files to save space on distribution media. This is the /EXEPACK option in LINK, not PKZIP or similar. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for this work, and also to Hirofumi Fujii of the Japan National Laboratory of High Energy Physics for the Kanji work, and for noticing and fixing some subtle bugs in the general screen management area. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:34:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:34:39 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 24 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <39ldtv$jq4@knot.queensu.ca> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: |> |> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple |> years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone |> plus a pain to use. I can't offer an opinion on the Mac version. But as a general statement you are wrong. We use Kermit as the recommended communications software at Queen's for our PC users. It is not slow, it certainly isn't error prone, and as for being a pain to use, wrong again. Kermit has a very complete scripting language that made it possible for us to develop homegrown login scripts for our University's dial-in services. This lets us conceal a myriad of idiosyncracies related to our mainframe, PACX, telnet servers, etc. Why would anybody want to use Kermit? Because it does the job, works on all of our systems, is well-documented and supported, and incredibly, is free. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 15:25:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 94 14:26:24 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: kudut@ritz.mordor.com's message of Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the release notes for it. And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. The HELP command will give you pages of details about "SET BIT-MANGLE FROG-MODE", but there is no simple menu of the half-dozen commands that everybody needs. (Unlike every other terminal emulator I've ever seen.) And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- In the shopping malls, in the high school halls -- conform or be cast out! In the basement bars, in the backs of cars -- be cool or be cast out! -- Rush, "Subdivisions" From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 19:31:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 19:31:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-Id: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) > writes: > >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? > > It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD > file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit > prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, > but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will > magically get help for that command. > > Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're > hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important > feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the > obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" > file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have > been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the > release notes for it. > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling > Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out > loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. > For the historical-minded, Kermit was first developed in the early 80s when DEC was in its heyday, and every university had a DEC-10 or DEC-20 or a VAX. DEC software releases always included a "beware file", with file type .BWR. The idea was to get peoples' attention when something went wrong, and everybody knew to "look in the BWR file" before reporting bugs, etc. Those days are over, of course, and perhaps it would it be more intuitive (at least to newsgroup readers) to call them .FAQ files, but then we'd have to recast them all in question-and-answer form, like in Jeopardy, to avoid the inevitable rash of complaints. But, given limited resources and time, and an infinite amount of demand, this settles to a rather low rung on the priority ladder. The simple fact is that Kermit, like a great deal of other software, comes with a manual, and then some other files to supplement the manual, either in the form of updates, or technical hints and tips. Unlike a lot of this other software, however, it also comes with a brief help file listing all the commands. I don't think this is something to complain about. > And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current > directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find > its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't > know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is > bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:26:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:26:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > > Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my > scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be > nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg > It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. However, you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): define minput set alarm \%1,- :top,- if alarm end 1,- input 1 \%2,if success asg mynput 1,if success end 0,- if not def \%3 goto top,reinp 0 \%3,if succ asg mynput 2,if succ end 0,- if not def \%4 goto top,reinp 0 \%4,if succ asg mynput 3,if succ end 0,- if not def \%5 goto top,reinp 0 \%5,if succ asg mynput 4,if succ end 0,- if not def \%6 goto top,reinp 0 \%6,if succ asg mynput 5,if succ end 0,- if not def \%7 goto top,reinp 0 \%7,if succ asg mynput 6,if succ end 0,- if not def \%8 goto top,reinp 0 \%8,if succ asg mynput 7,if succ end 0,- if not def \%9 goto top,reinp 0 \%9,if succ asg mynput 8,if succ end 0,- goto top and then use it like this: minput 60 CONNECT ERROR {NO CARRIER} BUSY RING if fail errfail {No response from the modem} if eq \v(program) C-Kermit asg mynput \v(minput) goto CASE_\m(mynput) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 19:37:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:37:47 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the C-Kermit source files? Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 00:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 00:00:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article "Archimedes L. Trajano" writes: > Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the > C-Kermit source files? > Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For comparison, look at OS/2 C-Kermit, the closest C-Kermit counterpart to MS-DOS Kermit. The 16-bit executable is 500K, and the 32-bit one is 680K. Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and addressability are at a premium. If somebody should really want to adapt C-Kermit to DOS, however, it should be a mere matter of filling in some communications and file access primitives and writing a terminal emulator. And hooking in to the various networking APIs, if you can find them. Etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:45:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:45:31 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu's message of 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) writes: > In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > > > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > > you are using upon startup? > > > > Fast Cart > > set line /dev/whatever > > > Barry But, "whatever" changes whenever I log in. Understand? I want something that will know what line I'm using... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:50:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:50:22 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: ken@coho.halcyon.com's message of 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > Arcell B. Frazier wrote: > >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > >you are using upon startup? > > I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? > > --Ken Pizzini I found that on the C-kermit protocol we use, (from '89) /dev/tty is always default at 1200 bps. I want to be able to "set line /dev/whatever" whenever I start C-kermit because I'm not always using the same tty. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:16:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:53:50 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how > Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, > it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at > all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is > wierd this way. > Joe D. He is right. I had this problem. What I did was to set key for just about all of the Alt keys. You can email me and I'll send you what I have... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 07:34:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:34:20 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >addressability are at a premium. Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:11:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) - MS-DOS Kermit, Terminal interrogation commands Date: 8 Nov 1994 08:11:13 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1022 comp.terminals:6023 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit respons to query CSI ? Ps $ p with response CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y According of my another docomentation response of this should be CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y (MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) Comments? -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:23:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:23:12 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. >Lewenberg) writes: >> >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg Yes, this was the command I was thinking of, that time I posted to ask if the next release of MS-Kermit would have more of the script commands that C-Kermit has. I stumbled across it in the C-Kerm docs, and thought "What a valuable tool for login scripts!" Then I couldn't find it again. This command does me no good in C-Kerm, which I use only as a remote, but would be seriously valuable in MSK! >It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( > However, >you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like >this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): [macro and example of how to use it deleted] Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save memory for key settings and screen rollback. Anyway, if you can't, you can't. But I'd be interested in this feature, too. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 15:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 10:26:18 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 74 Distribution: world Expires: 31 Dec 1994 22:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cetus2e.cs.utk.edu Summary: there are 2 cases, according to VT330/340 documentation Keywords: DECRQM, DECRPM, VT300, VT330, MS-Kermit, mode, setting, report Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6025 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1024 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > >MS-DOS Kermit responds to query > CSI ? Ps $ p >with response > CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >According of my another docomentation response of this should be > CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y > >(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y > but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) > >- Kari E. Hurtta > Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair DECRQM and DECRPM. In the Digital documentation "VT330/VT340 Programmer Reference Manual, Volume 1: Text Programming" (EK-VT3XX-TP-001) on page 238 we find MODE SETTINGS (VT300 mode only) Request Mode DECRQM CSI Pa $ p Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) CSI ? Pd $ p Pa = DEC private mode (see table 12-3) Report Mode DECRPM CSI Pa;Ps $ y Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) Ps = mode state 0 = unknown mode 1 = set 2 = reset 3 = permanently set 4 = permanently reset Set Mode SM CSI Pa; ...Pa h Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd h Pd = DEC private mode(s) Reset Mode RM CSI Pa; ...Pa l Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd l Pd = DEC private mode(s) (Notes: the CSI is hexadecimal 9B in 8-bit communication, or the sequence [ in 7-bit communication. Pa, Ps, and Pd are variable parameters. The "l" in the above RM command is a lowercase "L". Spaces in the description are for clarity and are not transmitted.) So one form of the response is appropriate for ANSI/ISO standardized modes, and the other form for DEC proprietary modes. Are you saying that MS-Kermit is generating the ANSI/ISO-mode response to the DEC-mode query? -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation; ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | but when the wicked rise to power, men go into ...Info-Stratus contact| hiding." Proverbs 28:12 NIV From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 11:21:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 94 11:07:35 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 43 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention the DIAL command in passing at one point. Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. Yes, but I have Kermit 3.13, and the READ.ME doesn't warn you that you have to modify your PATH. I will grant that it does tell you to read KERMIT.HLP, but that is a little long for installation instructions. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my local software store and buy Procomm. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- The scariest quote I've seen in a long time: There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then [I] look around and see someone white and feel relieved. -- Jesse Jackson, as quoted by Mike Royko From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 16:52:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 1994 16:52:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > My comments were in reference to version 3.14. I think you will find a lot of improvements in version 3.14 over 3.13. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. > A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go buy Procomm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:09:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!rcwusr.bp.com!learmonthgg From: learmonthgg@rcwusr.bp.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Message-Id: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Date: 8 Nov 94 12:09:41 -0500 Organization: BP Warrensville, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Gaz. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:46:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Message-Id: <1994Nov8.104653.32279@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:46:53 MDT References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6026 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1028 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu>, shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes: > In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, > hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: >> >>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query >> CSI ? Ps $ p >>with response >> CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >>According of my another docomentation response of this should be >> CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y >> >>(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) >> >>- Kari E. Hurtta >> Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI >> {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi > > I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair > DECRQM and DECRPM. ---------- Kari is correct. A question mark was omitted from the DEC-specific report. I've corrected that (and in msvibm.vt) here this morning and the results will appear in the next beta of MSK. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:56:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See > KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary > files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory > you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of > your disks? > > Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. > You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything > assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. The latter "feature" can be implemented under current versions of DOS but only with trepedition from a non-tree directory system (all those letters, SUBST, network drive mappings, all the things which make it nearly impossible to know a directory as a real directory). Joe D. > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:52:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <39ooes$n3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Alpha, VMS, AXP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit for OpenVMS/AXP can be found on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/ and its subdirectories. Begin by getting the file kermit/test/ckvaaa.hlp and reading it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:20:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:20:48 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>addressability are at a premium. > > Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware > authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in > assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A > program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world > that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- > written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to be critical. Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some unnecessary bells and whistles. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:30:00 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guy is asking for improvement? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:29:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:29:13 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys is asking for improvment? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:00:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov8.230025.32339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 23:00:25 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com>, ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) > > In article , > Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >>In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >> >>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>>addressability are at a premium. >> >> Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware >> authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in >> assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A >> program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world >> that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- >> written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. > > The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms > are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary > limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. > Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a > mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it > is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the > resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to > be critical. > > Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, > not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. > If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some > unnecessary bells and whistles. ------------ May I end this thread as a person with some experience in both assembler and C? There is no way C can beat decent assembler. All those push/pops and stack references (that's touching real memory folks) kill performance. Programs beyond the hobbyist level aren't designed and written by undoing C code to assembler; far from it. They are designed differently from the ground up. I doubt many readers here have any idea of what is involved using C without all the helpful crutches provided by the compiler vendor. Remove the startup routines, and the run time libraries, and mix in near and far code and data, add interrupt routines. That will do for openers. It's not at all like programming "Hello World\n". Yet this occurs in MS-DOS Kermit which is 80% assembler and which uses C for the TCP/IP stack, and that's run partly at interrupt level and never as a "main" program. There is no main() nor any vendor libraries etc. And I wish your last phrase were true, sigh. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:16:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:16:47 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39qi3v$s7r@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: % Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're % hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important % feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the % obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" % file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have % been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the % release notes for it. I know it's frustrating when you can't get software to work, but I really do think you should modify your tone when asking for help. I'm astonished at how patient people have been in replying to your queries given the way that you phrase them. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 94 08:58:40 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And the developers do listen to what customers complain about. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works quite reliably. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- We have ways to make you scream. -- Intel advertisement, in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal (Yeah, like having to write 80x86 assembler code!) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:32:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov9.133234.27003@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 13:32:34 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. >Worley) writes: >> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my >> local software store and buy Procomm. >> >A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, >you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop >software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for >free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go >buy Procomm. > >- Frank Well said, Frank! --Mike Ciaraldi University of Rochester From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 14:35:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 14:35:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one >request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a >terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use >it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." The "we don't care." are your words not Frank's, not Joe's, and not mine. We do care. However, we also do have limited time. 3.14 is still in Beta. There is a ways to go yet. Be patient. Frank and Joe commented in previous messages about your claim that DIAL was not documented anywhere. They correctly pointed out that you were wrong. Granted, with a several hundred page book, and several update files there is a lot to read. But this is *free* software (until you buy the manual.) >And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And >the developers do listen to what customers complain about. Hate to tell you. Tech support is a far cry from talking to the developers. Sure Tech Support may be able to tell you where to find the DIAL command in the docs, but in most cases they can't help you with the real world of non-PC to PC based communication. > > DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix > won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the > program is built to look in its startup directory. > >You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works >quite reliably. Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? C:\KERMIT D:\KERMIT F:\MSK C:\BIN\COMM\MSK how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories of init files in order to preserve separate configurations. Maybe for a laptop on the LAN vs. a laptop connected to the LAN via a remote dialup. You can't hard code directory names. Sorry. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [ANSWER] Re: C Kermit and meta keys - Date: 09 Nov 1994 19:53:50 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com In-Reply-To: jason@idiom.com's message of 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The answer to this question is: set command bytesize 8 Thanks to Ken Pizzini for the answer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 01:15:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!peregrine!falk From: falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Date: 9 Nov 1994 01:15:17 GMT Organization: Sun Lines: 8 Message-Id: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: peregrine.eng.sun.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ADVthanxANCE, -- -ed falk, sun microsystems falk@sun.com "Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change" From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:46:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 9 Nov 1994 19:46:33 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39r8up$37e@news.halcyon.com> References: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com>, Ken Pizzini wrote: >In article , >Jason Venner wrote: >>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. >> >>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >>to the remote side? > >set term byte 8 This was only a partial answer. He also needed to set command bytesize 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 20:01:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!merk!harvee.billerica.ma.us!esj From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Message-Id: Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.10 Rev. May 3 1993 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 15:01:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik writes: >In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: >> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >> to the remote side? >> > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how >Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, >it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at >all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is >wierd this way. > Joe D. well, in days long past, in RMS land, there were systems with "meta" key as well as a "hyper" key. if I remember correctly, "meta" did add 0x80 to each char. --- eric -- esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us ka1eec those that do not read history are doomed to repost it From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 23:07:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!madvax.uwa.edu.au!watson From: watson@madvax.maths.uwa.edu.au (David Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to tell Kermit I have a sun-cmd screen? Date: 9 Nov 1994 23:07:36 GMT Organization: Maths Dept UWA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39rkno$vaj@styx.uwa.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: pandanus.maths.uwa.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run Linux on my 486 and so I have XView and the openwin screens which I have become quite accustomed to. But Kermit doesn't understand them and I have to use the vt100 terminal screen when I use Kermit. How can I tell Kermit that I have sun-cmd screens? Many thanks for any help. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics watson@DIALix.oz.au The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 1359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 02:17:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:17:28 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu wrote: >Hi, >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Are you sure you're getting the right file-- kermit/test/bin/ mstibm.zip? Your executables are right after the readme: Archive: mstibm.zip Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name ("^" ==> case ------ ------ ---- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- conversion) 10577 Implode 4473 58% 10-30-94 15:59 b99272a2 ^read.me 228152 Implode 146491 36% 11-07-94 10:40 cbf6f11f ^kermit.exe <=== 158290 Implode 102723 35% 11-07-94 10:40 533ef169 ^kermite.exe <=== 103274 Implode 66358 36% 11-07-94 10:40 f94fd286 ^kerlite.exe <=== > Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Neither. There's nothing to compile-- the executables are ready to run. You may want to work over the INItialization and script files, depending on how you use Kermit. Since this is a beta, it would probably be better if you were to create a separate directory for 3.14, rather than just dumping the files in (and overwriting files already in) the directory where you have 3.13. > Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you That all depends on what features you want the most. If the Kermit on your host is so old that it doesn't support sliding windows, long packets, control character unprefixing, or uses the old terminalR/terminalS instead of the newer APC, the new Kermit won't help all that much. However, if you want the new script commands, character sets, etc., then get 3.14. I can't speak for other platforms, but if your account is on a Unix host and you have the space in your quota, it's not too hard to get the sources for C-Kermit 190 and build your own copy. (If space *is* a problem, gzexe compresses the executable very nicely to about 1/2 original size.) IMO the new crash recovery feature alone is worth the effort, and if your host's Kermit doesn't have the other features previously mentioned, so much more the reason. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 01:41:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!ucssun1!gillespi From: gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (gillespie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Date: 10 Nov 1994 01:41:11 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.191.1.100 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading files please do! Wally Gillespie From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:34:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:34:40 MDT References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Hi, > Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from > kermit.columbia.edu. > These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the > binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where > mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server > I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit > on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you ---------- Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement then follow instructions in that message. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:52:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:52:21 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net>, oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) writes: > fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>In article "Archimedes L. >>Trajano" writes: >>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >>> C-Kermit source files? >>> >>Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >>for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >>Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. > > For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important > features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the > C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible > (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a > way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit > version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not > possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's > scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I > would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability > of MS-kermit scripts. ---------- I'm sorry, but MSK and CK are not code compatible at all. The command parsers which you like so much are extremely complicated sets of code in each program, and they are very different. There will be operations in one which are either awkward to implement in the other or just can't be because of internal design considerations. We try to make the two behave similarly, but there are limits on program effects as well as person time involved (and I want to emphasize that this means a *lot* of concentrated effort). I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then we don't have any idea of what's important to you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 03:51:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!jwarner From: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 03:51:17 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 Message-Id: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): set line /dev/ph1 set speed 9600 set log session dial 0000000 connect How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org Thanks, Jack. -- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 09:48:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: HELP! Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:48:26 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu>, gillespie (gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu) wrote: >So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 >and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout >at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into >using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I >sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out >how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the >files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file >I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command >at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am >I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading >files please do! I can think of only one remote possibility (even more remote, considering that you got ftp to work): You are aware, aren't you, that the Unix system on which you have your account is case sensitive? Because it is, so is the Kermit running on it. You have to type in the file name *exactly* as it appears in the "ls" listing, after the send command. Unlike with DOS, filename, Filename, and FILENAME are different names for different files. Other than this guess, I haven't a clue, and I'm sorry if I've told you something so basic as to sound insulting. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 07:59:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 7 Nov 1994 15:59:02 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been written that use kermit's telnet all along) -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 15:56:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Message-Id: <1994Nov9.215636.32432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 21:56:36 MDT References: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) writes: > Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It > would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ----------- Sure, no problem. Purchase the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, Digital Press (or used to be, Frank?), about $35. It's the formal spec doc to that time. Further extensions are on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit directory heirarchy. I have two large grad classes using this book as one of two books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 00:25:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Message-Id: <1994Nov10.062523.32448@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 94 06:25:23 MDT References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's > ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some > PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. > So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT > (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been > written that use kermit's telnet all along) ---------- I replied to this privately but here is a summary. FTP Inc's ODIPKT has a license detection feature in ARP which prevents Kermit or other non-FTP program from accessing ARP packets over their ODIPKT. Both FTP's stack and Kermit will run over Harvard's ODIPKT, but never together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 16:44:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 16:44:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 Message-Id: <39til8$b02@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) writes: >My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): > set line /dev/ph1 > set speed 9600 > set > log session > dial 0000000 > connect >How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial >until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this >program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing >red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. >Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org >Thanks, >Jack. RTFM. Kermit has a powerful script language. Look at the CCSO Kermit doc in gopher for a full page of references, or ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Many sample scripts are disctributed with MS-DOS kermit that will do what you want. A trivial one would be: :dial-loop out ATDT xxx-xxxx\13 in 45 BUSY if suc goto dial-loop echo Not Busy, so I assume we're connected! You can define this as a macro, or a take-file. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 18:36:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:36:22 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 23 Message-Id: <39tp76$6ti@chopin.udel.edu> References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, PM Wong wrote: :We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's :ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some :PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. :So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT :(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been :written that use kermit's telnet all along) It'll work, but I don't understand why you would want to do this. Kermit can directly interface with odi packets (has been able to since v3.12 or was that 3.11?) Anyway, just do a set tcp packet odi instead of using the packet driver intrupt. However, if you're still hell bent on using PCTCP's odipkt, then yes, it will run over that too... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:47:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:47:32 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <39lem4$9qc@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu wrote: : Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple : years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? Unequalled emulation, built-in Tektronix support (in the DOS version), and free. > It's slow My own tests indicate very close to the theoretical maximum. Transfer rates are typically 97% to 106% of Zmodem. Have you found something much faster than Zmodem? : and error prone I go weeks at a time without an error. Please elaborate. : plus a pain to use. Ah, no GUI. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 04:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!eapu603 From: eapu603@rigel.oac.uci.edu (Michiko Fukada) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 11 Nov 1994 04:46:08 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 3 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39usug$mt5@news.service.uci.edu> References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1056 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6245 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Isn't kermit available on the Alpha Freeware CD? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!charon.citicorp.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 14:21:45 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 34 Message-Id: <39ta9p$5j6@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> of Jeffrey Altman X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1057 comp.os.msdos.programmer:46468 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ From newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc ] jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: ;> DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix ;> won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the ;> program is built to look in its startup directory. ;> ;>You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works ;>quite reliably. ;Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? ;This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? ;C:\KERMIT ;D:\KERMIT ;F:\MSK ;C:\BIN\COMM\MSK ;how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? I have impression, that in MS-DOS 3 (or was it 3.2?) or newer full path from where program was started is accessible to program. ;Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but ;where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories Yes. This is another case, perhaps some environment variable is good in this case. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 12 02:02:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (davis robert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 11 Nov 1994 21:02:54 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This afternoon, I hooked up a 14,400 baud modem to my UNIX box, set the line being used to 19,200 bps (the modem's manual suggests setting the speed between the modem and computer to 19,200 bps) in inittab and set C-Kermit's speed to 19,200 bps. Although everything else, such as viewing files on the screen, reading news, etc., is faster, when I attempt to transfer any files, the file transfer is about as slow as it was as 1,200 bps! Am I doing someting wrong, or is kermit supposed to transfer files this slowly? It took almost 4 minutes to transfer a 25K uncompressed text file. Thanks very much for any information that anyone can provide about what, if anything, is wrong here. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:35:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:35:25 CDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) writes: >>>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: > In article > phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: > > > phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, > phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > [snip] > > Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote > site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys > is asking for improvment? > Slow? I'm getting about 2300cps w/ a 14.4k modem using compression--if this is slow (I upgraded from a 2400), somebody please tell me what I need to do to increase the speed. As for errors, the only time I get *any* errors is if I forget to set filetype binary on both ends before a non-text transfer. For those of you who might know how to make my transfer speed increase, but need particulars, my *.ini reads: set send pack 4096 ser receive pack 4096 set block 3 set window 2 set retry 63 The terminal server that I connect to suports transfer rates as high as 38400, but no higher (KU is planning on upgrading its servers.) Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. Also, I use a high retry number because my link will sometimes hang for an extended period (not kermit's fault) and start kermit's retry sequence (which has timed out before.) Thanks for any help, and good luck to the poster on getting improved performance. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:45:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:45:06 CDT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) There is a native version of Kermit available for this OS, but I'd rather not tie myself to a proprietary implementation of the standard. Will one of the VMS versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how difficult will it be to set up? Thanks for any answers, even negative ones. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 07:17:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Transfer Rate Date: 12 Nov 1994 02:17:27 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's going on: I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least that's what the status bar on MSK says). MS-Kermit C-Kermit set flow none set flow none set windows 3 set windows 3 set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set file display none set file names literal However, when I run C-Kermit from my Linux box I don't get anywhere near the same performance. FYI, the two machines are right next to each other, and have the same hardware (actually, they may have different ethernet cards). I connect to the same host. The .mykermit file on the local machine looks the same as the above C-Kermit one except that the file display line reads ``set file display crt''. I found that fullscreen did indeed slow it down a lot, and that there wasn't much difference between crt and serial, and that the improvement over none wasn't so significant that I wanted to give up knowing how the file transfer was going. (Yes, I got all of this from the C-Kermit book--a must get!). So, am I doing something wrong? Is the report generated by MSK wrong, and I should really look at the host's `stat' report? Is there something that I should be setting since I'm going from C-Kermit to C-Kermit? Am I so illiterate that I totally missed something in the book? Thanks in advance for any and all help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 23:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 8 Nov 1994 23:35:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 21 Message-Id: <39p20m$rn1@blackice.winternet.com> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Hurwit (jhurwit@netcom.com) wrote: : In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. : >Lewenberg) writes: : >> : >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my : >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be : >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg : [macro and example of how to use it deleted] : Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a : premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save : memory for key settings and screen rollback. Well, there is no reason that you can't put the text into a take file and then define minput to take the take file. Macros are no more than memory resident take files. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 16:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (R. D. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: cmsg cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Control: cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Date: 12 Nov 1994 11:23:09 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3a2q5e$7q8@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 12:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Where to get Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:44:54 +0000 Message-Id: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). Cheers, -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:12:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:12:39 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 beta 11, and it's been nice being able to help Kermit's progression in any way. However, I have a problem that's been around since at least beta-4. Sometimes when I'm online to here at Columbia things freeze up. By accident I discovered that when I go into command mode and type 'show modem' or run a DOS program or whatever, the RD light on my modem snaps on again, and all's well with the world. For a while this was happening a lot; I thought it went away, but it happened again a couple times today. Any ideas? I haven't been able to reproduce the problem myself, but when it happens the 'show modem' method works every time. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:14:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:14:22 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a3b7e$grc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I should also point out that I'm running MS-Kermit on an old Tandy XT clone and an Intel 144/144e external 14.4k modem. Nothing's changed at all configurationwise since when I was using 3.13, and I don't think this happened then. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:21:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 9 Nov 1994 17:21:46 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31601 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1066 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass via Int 14. Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout of the unix host ? -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 18:26:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!oberg From: oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 9 Nov 1994 18:26:05 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 28 Message-Id: <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article "Archimedes L. >Trajano" writes: >> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >> C-Kermit source files? >> >Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability of MS-kermit scripts. Craig Oberg oberg@hexagon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:12:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:12:34 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 9 Message-Id: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from kermit.columbia.edu. These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 23:19:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:31:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:30:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:19:32 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >we don't have any idea of what's important to you. One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my own decisions as to what should be included or not. -- Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 04:16:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 13 NOV 94 04:16:31 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 6 Message-Id: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >We have to manually press ^] and then type c to ... exit to DOS... I don't know if there's a way to "automate" an exit to DOS, but alt-x should work. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:10:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 13 Nov 1994 06:10:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 10 Message-Id: References: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> <3a0lci$c9h@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM's message of 11 Nov 1994 12:49:22 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok. I'm confused then. Thanks. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:41:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:41:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:995 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1072 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its substitutes. I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:04:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:04:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5de8$b8t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: TNGLASS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu TNGLASS does not tell Kermit when the connection is broken, so Kermit can't pop back to the prompt automatically. In fact, Kermit does not even know it's a TELNET connection. Kermit's internal TCP/IP TELNET implementation does exactly what you want, and goes faster and does more things, but you can't run it at the same time as PC/TCP. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:08:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:08:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3a5dl5$bd7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you > It sounds like what you are really asking is, where can I get a newer version of MS-DOS Kermit? MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is in Beta test. The "draft" distribution diskette image is in a ZIP file, including the executables: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure, read the top-level READ.ME file for installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 13:20:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:20:11 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39t6mb$kd6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: : You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works : quite reliably. I *hate* programs with the directory compiled into the executable. 1. The "correct directory" is inevitably under the root directory, so the root directory listing is huge. I prefer to group applications by type. 2. Ever try to share an application across a network that demands to run from "C:\EGOTIST" and to find all of its configuration files there? We have rejected several software packages for this very reason. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:12:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get Kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:12:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5du4$bhv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit >for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? > kermit.columbia.edu. The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 Beta, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. >Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL >DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have >minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). > Aren't those UNIX machines? Then just run C-Kermit on them. I sounds like you would be surprised to find out that Kermit programs are already written to run on most kinds of computers and operating systems. C-Kermit 5A(190) is on the same host, directory kermit/f. Get the file ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 18:34:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number 2) keep redialing if busy 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. 5) enter the line "slip default" 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use NCSA's telnet Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip connection. I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you Carlos From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 19:38:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 13 Nov 1994 19:38:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-Id: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As of 13 November 1994, C-Kermit 5A(190) is installed for real on kermit.columbia.edu, replacing the previous version, 5A(189) of 30 June 1993. This is the Kermit software for UNIX (all varieties), VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, OS-9, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST. Highlights of the new version are: . File transfer recovery from point of failure (binary-mode transfers only): UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, Amiga. . Massive improvements in the OS/2 version. . Totally new and full-featured implementations for QNX and Stratus VOS. . Support for many new OS releases: Solaris 2.3, AIX 4.1, Unixware 1.1, new releases of Linux, {Free,Net,etc}BSD, OpenVMS 6.x, etc etc... . Auto-upload/download/configuration/anything-else via APC mechanism: UNIX, VMS, OS/2. . Numerous improvements in performance, script programming, client/server protocol, character sets, file transfer display, dialing, etc. C-Kermit 5A(190) is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f (NOT kermit/b), also known as kermit/c-kermit, and several other directories, as follows: kermit/f (= kermit/c-kermit) - FTP all files in text mode: Source code; Documentation files (.hlp, .nr, .upd, .bwr, .doc, etc); Initialization and script files (.ini, .kdd, .ksd, etc); ASCII-binaries except for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2: ckd190.uue - DG AOS/VS ckiker.boo - Amiga cklker.h68 - VOS 680x0 cklker.h86 - VOS i860 ckm190.hqx - Macintosh cksker.boo - Atari ST cksncp.boo - Atari ST (small version) kermit/bin - FTP all files in binary mode (except READ.ME): True binaries for UNIX, VMS, etc. See the READ.ME for details. kermit/vmshex - FTP in text mode: VMS C-Kermit binaries in hex format, together with the decoding program, ckvdeh.mar. See the READ.ME file for details. kermit/archives - FTP in binary mode unless otherwise indicated: cku190.tar.Z - Compressed tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. cku190.tar.gz - Gzip'd tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. ckvsrc.hex - (TEXT mode) VMS C-Kermit source BACKUP saveset. cko190.zip - OS/2 C-Kermit distribution diskette image. See kermit/f/ckc190.ann for a detailed list of changes in 5A(190). See kermit/f/cko190.ann for new features of the OS/2 version. For overviews of specific versions, see: kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp - General C-Kermit overview kermit/f/ckdaaa.hlp - AOS/VS kermit/f/ckiaaa.hlp - Amiga kermit/f/cklaaa.hlp - Stratus VOS kermit/f/ckoaaa.hlp - OS/2 kermit/f/ckuaaa.hlp - UNIX kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp - VMS The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for further info. A German-language edition is also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 04:16:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Transfer Rate Message-Id: <1994Nov12.101642.32608@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 10:16:42 MDT References: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's > going on: > > I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the > host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the > following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least > that's what the status bar on MSK says). > > MS-Kermit C-Kermit > set flow none set flow none > set windows 3 set windows 3 > set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 > set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 > set file display none > set file names literal -------- Something is not what it should be Jerry. 8.5K cps over Telnet is far below what I see under similar circumstances. Between MSK and C Kermit on a DEC Alpha I get around 85K cps, MSK to CK on a 386-33 Unix machine I get around 28K cps. 486-66 DX/2 machine for the MSK part. Suggestions are to upgrade the C Kermit side to 5A (190) where significant speed improvments have occurred, and to have a careful look at your Ethernet system to see if packets are being dropped. Note that MSK has a 4KB TCP buffer so Kermit packets smaller than this are a more natural fit (only a minor effect). I use 2KB packets and 4 window slots. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 14:04:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Message-Id: <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 20:04:25 MDT References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31616 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1080 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass > via Int 14. > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) > We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. > Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout > of the unix host ? --------------- The interface provided by tnglass is the standard Bios Int 14h for serial ports, and that lacks the notion of session status. Hence Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 03:33:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov13.093331.32652@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 09:33:31 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >>we don't have any idea of what's important to you. > One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone > can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to > offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the > unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions > that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my > own decisions as to what should be included or not. > > -- > Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University > (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada ------------ We publlish the source code so you then have all the items at your disposal for tailoring. Be aware that the patch file works only on the executables issued from Columbia. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:44:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:44:16 MDT References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number > 2) keep redialing if busy > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. > 5) enter the line "slip default" > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use > NCSA's telnet > > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip > connection. > > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you > Carlos > --------- Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through hoops with ours to help you run theirs. May I make two serious suggestions? 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your own scripts. 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:49:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124903.32662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:49:03 MDT References: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run > DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit > to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) Hmm. I haven't had any trouble with MS-Kermit under TSX-Lite. However, I am using an antique version MS-Kermit: 3.11. (Hi, Joe!) > Will one of the VMS > versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how > difficult will it be to set up? I don't think you'll have much luck with the VMS version of C-Kermit. Although the OSes are conceptually similar, they are also quite different. Your best bet for now would be to try to figure out why MS-Kermit won't work on your system. I can ship you a copy of the 3.11 executable that I have been using under TSX-Lite. I suppose I could also download the newer version so that more people are working on the problem... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:19:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:19:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin wrote: >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet This is the third time in a month that I have seen someone ask: "How can I use Kermit so that I can use NCSA's telnet?" Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? Much appreciated. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 13 Nov 1994 17:30:48 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1085 alt.winsock:21638 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 01:49:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!bast!kzinti.Lynx.COM!seibert From: seibert@kzinti.Lynx.COM (Greg Seibert) Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup References: Sender: news@lynx.com (Usenet) Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <1994Nov14.014915.111@lynx.com> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:996 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1086 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chermesh Ran wrote: > >Hi, > Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. >I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY >DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its >substitutes. > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > > Ran > >-- >Ran Chermesh E - M A I L >Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== >Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL >Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL >Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET >Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 > >URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN And he's not even on AOL !!! -- --Greg (seibert@lynx.com) "In Real-Time You Never Get a Second Chance" From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:37:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: Re: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:37:17 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 30 Message-Id: References: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heres my .kermrc file, this should make C-Kermit happy. You'll do even better if you tune your local kermit accordingly. With a little tuning you can get almost the same throughput as zmodem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:05:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:05:42 -0800 Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:998 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1088 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. Roland Kwee From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 16:58:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 14 Nov 1994 16:58:41 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3a8501$k3b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: : > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and : > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am : > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt : > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number : > 2) keep redialing if busy : > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. : > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. : > 5) enter the line "slip default" : > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use : > NCSA's telnet : > : > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip : > connection. : > : > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you : > Carlos : > : --------- : Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the : lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through : hoops with ours to help you run theirs. Not really many hopes but the in general I didn't seem to find much insight on using kermit for slip. Yes I did see the article with the docs. I wanted to complain I would do so. BTW this wasn't a complaint if your ego is too fragile to handle it sorry. But it was a request for information. : May I make two serious suggestions? : 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your : own scripts. I have read the manual and have gotten a small feel for kermit scripting but I would not consider myself a pro at this and I am sure there many people out there who are very good at this.Ergo instead of trying a hack at it myself I figure I wouldn't post a to a news groups that would know better. If you don't proclaim to know better keep you comments to yourself!: 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. : Joe D. To this all I can say is I use what works. First I want to get a something working that works and I know. The tinker with something new. I am sure you would agree it's better to have a old car in working order than a new Cadillac (or what have you) sitting in the garage requiring you to figure the firing order for it. Regardless I do plan to evidentually move to ms-dos kermit. "It's better, amongst other things." Lacks any evidence or support if you care to support you claims please do so. I am eager to hear about it's better benefits afterall being new to Kermit some insight you be beneficial. LAST OF ALL. What the point of this news group if not to answer the questions and queries of the less knowledgable. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 00:03:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 Ready Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:03:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3a8ttc$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of about 5pm EST, 14 November 1994. kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-11 include: - Additional RTS/CTS and SET CARRIER ON fixes and enforcement. Heavy testing needed (more of it...) - Kanji terminal emulation completed. Use MS-DOS Kermit on regular IBM PCs with EGA or VGA or higher and DOS/V to read Kanji (fj.*) newsgroups, access the Nikkei Telecom database, use other host-based Kanji applications like e-mail, etc. Transfer Kanji text files between PC and host without garbling the characters (Shift-JIS to JIS conversion), etc. Many thanks to Hirofumi Fujii for this work. - Cyrillic font fixed; "e" is no longer displayed as "c" (thanks to Yossi Gil at the Technion for getting this fixed so promptly). Russian keyboard drivers (thanks to Dimitri Vulis) and documentation added. If you have an 8-bit-clean host-based newsreader, simply type "cyrillic" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and then browse the relcom.* newsgroups (assumes postings are in KOI8, but Kermit can also handle ISO 8859-5 and Short KOI). See CYRILLIC\READ.ME for details. - Compose u-circumflex fixed (required reading in Canada :-) - SET KEY capacity increased to 269 key definitions, 256 string definitions, and 2000 bytes of string space. - WPGGOLD.COM added, an alternative to GOLD.COM, allowing Num Lock to be used as a regular key with its own unique scan code (\325). VT300.INI updated to account for this scan code. Thanks to Novell's new WordPerfect Division for this contribution. - EMACS.INI added: key mappings for EMACS users, primarily allowing the Alt key to be used as the EMACS Meta key. Thanks, as ever, to Joe Doupnik for his skillful work and for integrating the work of the others acknowledged above. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 20:07:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:33:39 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1091 alt.winsock:21725 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Well, I've thought about this one, and I'd have to say that the blunt answer is no. I am working on some things like this--you'd have to go the route of running Winsock over a packet driver & then using a shim like pktmux to split off virtual packet drivers. I suppose you could run slp16550 or etherppp packet drivers outside of Windows. Otherwise you'd have to write an implementation of SLIP or PPP that communicates with some kind of TSR stub in the System VM that makes it look like the packets from the dial-up connection are comming out of a packet driver. In short, this is pretty yecchy. Soren From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 21:59:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:59:43 +0000 Message-Id: <784763983snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is >not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement >then follow instructions in that message. Any idea how far away this will be? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 05:23:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Message-Id: <1994Nov14.112347.32738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 11:23:47 MDT References: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:1001 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1093 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > >> I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, > on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. > Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. > > Roland Kwee ------------ Greg Seibert @ lynx.com points out that the "lynx" above refers to a WWW browser. That's hardly the business Kermit programs are in. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 15:44:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov14.214428.32803@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 21:44:28 MDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1>, kacovert@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kent Covert) writes: > In article <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >> Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. > > Actually, I think that the Mac version of Kermit reports this incorrectly. > I've never seen the Mac version report anything higher than 1 also. But, > if you issue the STATUS command on the server after a transfer, you'll > usually find that the server reports using more than 1. > ----------- You are both right, but maybe not for the reasons you think. With Columbia Kermits the receiver shows how many packets have been recognized as packets and are being processed. If packets arrive in order with none missing then one at a time is processed as bytes are read from the comms channel; we see one window slot in use. Other bytes may still be in the comms channel (includes receiver's port buffer) but not yet parsed as a packet. If a packet is damaged or really missing then the out of order packets are recognized and stashed away while the receiver still tries to find the desired (but missing) packet. Then the number of window slots in use grows. Kermit uses "selective repeat" sliding windows so only the missing packet(s) needs to be retransmitted. The status command should show the number of window slots available, rather than just the number used. But I have no Mac to see what's what on it. MS-DOS Kermit shows the "active out of available" number on the formatted file transfer display. The transmitter is given permission to send all window slots worth of packets. It does so, but between each it takes a very quick peek at the comms channel to see if enough bytes have arrived to constitute a possible acknowledgment. If there are enough then it is read and processed on the fly. Thus the transmitter may show many (two or more) window slots in use even under ideal conditions as it waits for ACKs from the other side. Quiz Friday. Homework: what might a receiver say about a missing packet? Hint: as little as possible, but... Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 12:25:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal Emulation Date: 15 Nov 1994 12:25:25 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help me with creating them. Thanks. Brian Degregorio degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 21:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 15 Nov 94 21:24:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Cc: kermit@columbia.edu (Kermit Distribution) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. The redirectors I use are: FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 NCSA NET14.EXE Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 10:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:24:00 +0000 Message-Id: <784895040snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> somebody@prairienet.org "Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin" writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and >it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am >search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt >1) startup kermit and dial a phone number >2) keep redialing if busy The DIAL command already does this >3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. >4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. >5) enter the line "slip default" I've altered the DIAL so that the last field is NOT a comment but the name of the SCRIPT file which is run AFTER the DIAL has finished. >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet Since you are using MS-Kermit to dial up WHY do you need to use a different telnet program? MS-Kermit has a very good one already! Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 19:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:50:50 GMT Message-Id: References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31638 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1098 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) (..) > Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's > own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is > true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. > The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which > is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Putting connect quit in your ini-file, makes Alt-X behave like 'end session & quit'. If you always use the same command to log out from your host, say 'exit' you also can try a sequence like: connect output exit\13 quit very handy for 'canned' sessions. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 11:49:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:09:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:08:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:49:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill (ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- built a working Kermit with no problems. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 03:39:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!dchou From: dchou@ncoast.org (David Chou) Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta 10 hangs Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 03:39:26 GMT Message-Id: Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am experiencing periodic hangs with the latest version of MS-Kermit with garbage. I have seen this on two processors which have little in common except that both have 16550 serial UARTS. One board is a 386/33 AMI Mark II based system; the second is a 90MHz Pentium AMI board. Both have had the problem when junk is received. The problem is cleared throug the alt-= reset function in Kermit. Dave Chou From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 08:27:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!cronkite.nersc.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Message-Id: <1994Nov15.142720.32864@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 14:27:19 MDT References: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) writes: > Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for > IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help > me with creating them. Thanks. > > Brian Degregorio > degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu ------------ Terminal emulation doesn't work via .ini files, as you probably know. There is no support for either of the terminals above, unless they happen to emulate one of the text terminals already present in MS-DOS Kermit: VT320/220/102/100/52, Heath-19, Data General D470/D463, Wyse-50, Honeywell VIP7809, Prime PT200. Adding a new terminal type is generally a fairly serious undertaking, not to mention a memory consumer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 06:48:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 06:48:16 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: Missing make file Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Sorry for the posting but mail to Frank da Cruz is bouncing. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 21:56:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 21:56:20 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3adv64$k37@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> <3adsv3$j7o@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >>In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill >>(ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >>>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >>>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >>>from the cku190.tar.gz archive. >> Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was >> in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- >> built a working Kermit with no problems. I have re-FTP'd it and the archive is, indeed, complete. Don't ask me what went wrong with the first copy because I have no idea! Apologies if I have misled anybody ... From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 16:54:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Message-Id: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 22:54:37 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully > up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. > The redirectors I use are: > FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 > NCSA NET14.EXE > > Thank you, > Daniel Lewart > d-lewart@uiuc.edu --------------- Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 16 Nov 94 22:43:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before > and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using > MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Yes. My redirectors are FTP 2.3 TNGLASS and NCSA 2.3.08 NET14. MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14/Beta-N, where N <= 11, work with both of them. 3.14/Beta-12 connects, but the screen stays blank with both of them. > Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work > at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the > active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have > SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). I have kermit.exe (3.14/Beta-12), mskermit.ini (below is a stripped- down version), and msvibm.exe (3.13) all in the current directory. My commands with the FTP stack are as follows: tnglass myhost -e msvibm tnglass myhost -e kermit The first works; the second fails. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- set port bios1 ; Int 14H redirection if not < version 314 set carrier off ; Default anyway connect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 08:41:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Script for Creatix Modem Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:41:03 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3af4uv$1ck@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody made a script for the Creatix modem (Version SG144, maybe an earlier version might work as well)? This modem seems to be quite popular in Germany. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:53:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PARITY command-line completion Date: 16 Nov 94 22:53:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 16 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-12, but this command-line completion bug has been around for a while. The following add extra stuff on the end: set parity e set parity m set parity n set parity o set parity s For example, "set parity n" gives: set parity none (8-bit data) _ This should be: set parity none_ where the underscore is the cursor. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:42:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:42:10 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3af8hi$1r0@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3abv77$1cr1@saturn.caps.maine.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mtdesert@saturn.caps.maine.edu (MDIHS) writes: >Now how do I get backspace key on my DOS machine to actually backpace >instead of printing ^D. I'm on PC, MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12, VT320 >emulation. I've never been able to get backspace to work with previous >Kermits either, though I'm sure it's a very simple thing to do... >It gets old ^Uing all of my command line mistakes. >Thanks for any help. >-mdi The MSKERMIT.INI normally re-defines the backspace key (_bs) as \127, not as \4 = ^D as in your case. You can easily experiment with key definitions by entering "sh key" and "set key" from the MS-Kermit prompt. Maybe there are good reasons for your ^D configuration of the backspace key. If your remote computer runs UNIX, you can simply enter stty erase KEYSTROKE with KEYSTROKE meaning, press your backspace key, and whatever its key definition, it will then work correctly at the command line (without changing the key's function in application programs). -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:12:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:12:18 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >Much appreciated. I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice with NCSA telnet. The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: * Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. * ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC with Kermit (right?) There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of multiple files on different computers. Further comments? Regards, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 00:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Message-Id: <1994Nov17.065416.33073@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Nov 94 06:54:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) writes: > Hi, > I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the > kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, > I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a > MSTIBM.EXE file. > My qestions: > 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? > 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE ------------ First, I strongly suggest you go back to MSK v3.13 until v3.14 is released. The current beta period is for shaking out bugs, where changes still occur, and the final bundle of distribution files is still fluid. MSK 3.14 has not yet reached release (but will very soon). Second, the filename you reference is what Windows wants to run when the icon is clicked. Choose a filename that's appropriate. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 15:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 15:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3afrvi$3ur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > > >>Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from >serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the >moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice >with NCSA telnet. > >The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: > >* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. Understood. This functionality is available in C-Kermit for OS/2 but not MS-DOS Kermit. >* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote > computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet > session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC > with Kermit (right?) Well, of course a server is required. You just don't have to start it. But if the server daemon (ftpd) is not running you won't be able to perform any file transfers at all. But of course you can't perform an anonymous ftp with Kermit. Most tcp/ip stacks come with an ftp program though. However, for remote transfers from the PC, Kermit can always be placed in Server mode. >There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal >emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, >Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It >can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for >MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of >multiple files on different computers. Correct. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:38:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: Kermit 3.14, DOSLYNX and dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:38:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Is it possible to run doslynx through kermit from a dialup connection? Appreciate a reply. Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:37:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:37:16 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a MSTIBM.EXE file. My qestions: 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 20:07:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:07:19 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After checking $status after several C-Kermit sessions I realized that the exit status ends up in ckermit_status. I'm running 5A(190) BETA.17 for OpenVMS AXP (and also a similar version on a VAX). Is this the standard symbol for the result? I couldn't find reference to ckermit_status in the Using C-Kermit book anywhere. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 13:03:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: help w\ kermit send binary Message-Id: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:03:48 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted too quick for me to see the error message. email or post would be appreciated. Joe From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 08:16:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!soleil!oconnor From: Frank O'Connor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:16:29 -0500 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soleil.acomp.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: oconnor@soleil In-Reply-To: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1116 alt.winsock:22133 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for the same thing... But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I can find it? Thanks! On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd > like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that > looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the > winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver > below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the > same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:13:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:13:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1118 alt.winsock:22152 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through WinSock. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:10:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:23:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:10:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help w\ kermit send binary Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:10:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aiu75$p9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? >I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup >kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by >show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas > 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). > >anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted >too quick for me to see the error message. > What software are you using on the PC side of the connection? If you are not using MS-DOS Kermit, I would suggest that you do. Many other software packages that claim Kermit protocol support are very selective about which parts of the protocol definition they implement. We need more info to help. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 01:12:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!mosspc.TTI.COM!moss From: moss@tti.com (Les Moss) Subject: Re: source for Zmodem specs? Message-Id: Lines: 17 Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: mosspc.tti.com Organization: TTI X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:12:51 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1119 comp.protocols.misc:3839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ennisj@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jay Ennis) writes: >Does anyone know where I might find a specification for Zmodem? Is it even >written down? I don't believe there is one (Nothing like the Kermit Protocol Manual, for example). Most people implement it by porting the public domain code by Forsberg available on many FTP sites. You will find some written stuff by Forsberg at those same sites, but it is not complete, you still need to read the code. Thats all I found for my implementation (written from scratch for non-C environment). Tim Kientzle (kientzle@netcom.com) is currently writing a book which should be a complete ZModem spec. Hopefully, that will be available soon. (I reviewed an early version of his spec and it sure would have helped me if I had had it in the beginning of my implementation.) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 07:18:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!lkadams From: lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca (Larson Keith Adams) Subject: Help with flow rate Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:18:53 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much in the way of settings). If any Kermit wizards out there could mail me and help me speed this thing up, I would be grateful. Keith lkadams@engg.ucalgary.ca ps...our system administrator is no help at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 04:14:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.101417.33213@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 10:14:17 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1121 alt.winsock:22228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Connor writes: > I'm looking for the same thing... > But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I > can find it? > Thanks! > > On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com ------------ The shim comes from me, Les. Dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, and this will also be in the MSK 3.14 distribution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 03:19:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!garym From: garym@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit user's manual or FAQ??? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.091931.33200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 09:19:31 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know where I could get a user's manual or possibly a FAQ for Kermit? -- Gary S. Mortensen GARYM@CC.USU.EDU "You can't achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." - Unknown "If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything." - Unknown From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:20:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!qmw!vaxb.mdx.ac.uk!ANDREW27 From: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Date: 19 Nov 1994 12:20:54 GMT Organization: Middlesex University, London, England Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help? I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary problems would be greatly appreciatted. Any replies or E-Mail on this subject gratefully recieved. Thanks, Andrew From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 18:02:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 18 Nov 1994 10:02:48 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3aiq88$bdc@pacifier.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: > >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > Since your terminal is set to 7N1, I assume that you do not have a full 8-bit path to your host. I would surmise that neither of your Kermits knows this. Have you tried doing a SET PARITY SPACE on both ends before doing the binary transfers? This has the effect of telling the Kermits that the high-bit cannot be used for data and that "8th-bit-quoting" must be used. Hence, you'll get 8-bit data thru your 7-bit data path. Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 05:02:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov18.110238.33219@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 11:02:38 MDT References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) writes: > I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through > a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly > is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even > after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to > 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on > port 2. Can someone help? > > Thank You. --------- There was a bug in MSK 3.14 beta prior to 12, a side effect of adding the "whatami" feature. The resulting transmission mode ended up being text no matter what. May I suggest to testers that when you do find a bug please try the current beta to see if it's been fixed. Items underway for the next beta: Certain operations with string substitution were confused when \fname appears and the name isn't one of the \fxxx() functions. Fixed. Still questions on RTS/CTS, to be investigated this weekend. Set Parity blah shows extra "(8 data bits)" tag. Yes, I may change that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 23:26:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 18 Nov 1994 23:26:56 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for : further info. A German-language edition is also available. But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) Here I sit, AmEx in hand... Perhaps you meant to say: Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:01:10 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most likely have I once again put my foot in it? Bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 12:10:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: <1994Nov18.181009.33272@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 18:10:09 MDT References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants > : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember > : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. > : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for > : further info. A German-language edition is also available. > > But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) > Here I sit, AmEx in hand... > > Perhaps you meant to say: > Tel. +1 212 854-3703 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ correct. > Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. Rats. We can't win sometimes. Joe D. > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 05:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.112618.33306@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 11:26:18 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > Hi- > > Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid > for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger > than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, > insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > > Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of > respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some > overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most > likely have I once again put my foot in it? ------------ C Kermit builds to file "wermit" so you can rename it to a convenient spelling later (without losing your older Kermit). "ls -l" tells all. This C Kermit works ok on my Unix PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 01:52:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: <1994Nov18.205223.7538@eisner> Date: 18 Nov 94 20:52:23 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think CKERMIT_STATUS contains the values listed on page 324 in table I-1. scott burns@burns.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 23:48:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit -ix and binary transfers (not working) Date: 19 Nov 1994 23:48:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 33 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3am2rr$ete@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: deneb.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having some trouble sending binary files from the UNIX machine at school to my OS/2 system at home. Here is what happens: 1. If I type kermit -ix, escape back to my OS/2 Ckermit, and then type 'get file.zip', my OS/2 C-kermit starts receiving the file but announces that the FILE TYPE is "TEXT (no translation)". Huh? 2. If I start kermit with no command line options, type 'set file type binary' at the C-kermit prompt, type 'send file.zip', escape back to the OS/2 C-kermit and then type 'receive' my OS/2 C-kermit recieves the file and tells me the FILE TYPE is BINARY. Why does 2 work while 1 does not? Shouldn't the '-ix' force all file transfers to be binary? I used to have NO trouble (before I installed the current version of the Unix C-kermit). The Unix C-kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, while the OS/2 kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit Numeric: 501190 Thanks, Adam H. Leweneberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 10:24:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.162440.33322@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 16:24:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > Hello, > > I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. > > Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. > (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) > > My problem is: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 > Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... > > Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 > Unable to contact the host > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > remark: I test > c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. > > Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Gilles Ratel > Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca ------------- I'll guess you still have Pathworks running over TCP/IP when you used Kermit. One may have only one protocol stack of a given kind running over a board at one time. Try again without the Pathworks TCP/IP stack going, or run Kermit over the top of Pathworks. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 16:18:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:18:59 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) My problem is: ---------------------------------------------------------------- MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 Unable to contact the host The host may be down or a gateway may be needed ----------------------------------------------------------------- remark: I test c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? Thanks in advance, Gilles Ratel Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 19:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us!mbguest From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) Subject: Re: Help with flow rate X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: The box in my house Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:12:25 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Larson Keith Adams (lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get : above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at : 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much : in the way of settings). You may have problems in both . The immediate problem is your WinComm Pro . It is using 64 bit packes and 1 at a time . I would suggest getting MS-Kermit . If WinComm Pro supports external protocols , follow the instructions on how to do that . Otherwise use MS-Kermit as the term program also. -- Matt - Linux Help via e-mail mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us mbguest@worf.infonet.net mbguest@delphi.com mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:27:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Message-Id: <1994Nov19.182744.33330@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 18:27:44 MDT References: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk writes: > Can anyone help? > > I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 > to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with > my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two > to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary > problems would be greatly appreciatted. --------- Common maladies: Wrong parity, so the sides don't match (they must match) Insufficient flow control Specifying the wrong kind (Binary, Text) of file mode Please inform your VAX administrator that everyone would be much better off if Kermit-32 were deleted and C Kermit 5A were installed. See kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for ckv*.exe, and cd kermit/b for all text files. I have no Macs, nor have I heard of "VICOM Connect." Joe D. e NO trouble (before I installed > the current version of the Unix C-kermit). > > The Unix C-kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x > Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, > > while the OS/2 kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit > Numeric: 501190 ----------- I believe the release notes for C Kermit explain that the client now controls file TYPE via the SET FILE TYPE command given on the client. It's part of file attributes, named the "whatami" component, where the client informs the server of its binary/text state. It's a step forward, really. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 02:12:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU!s923796 From: s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit icon Date: 19 Nov 1994 02:12:08 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Summary: Seeking a kermit icon for the Windows desktop Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest versions of Kermit have this already? Dave. -- David A. Sexton s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au n From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 14:15:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: > Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. > Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest > versions of Kermit have this already? > Dave. --------- Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe you want to create your own. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 07:00:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:00:13 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1139 alt.winsock:22420 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... >A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >WinSock. Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. Any takers. Brian. P.S. I was looking into this for Network DOOM. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------ /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 04:58:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 10:58:34 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1140 alt.winsock:22429 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net>, bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) writes: > > > In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > says... > >>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>WinSock. > > Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP > functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. > You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection > code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows > WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application > would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may > require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I > have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. ------- Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor realistic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!PeterW!p.waltenberg From: p.waltenberg@irl.cri.nz (Peter Waltenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Industrial Research Ltd Lines: 21 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 161.65.60.3 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1141 alt.winsock:22440 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. PeterW From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:37:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 20 Nov 1994 20:37:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1142 alt.winsock:22443 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Waltenberg wrote: >------- >> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>realistic. >> Joe D. > >Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. > >I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. > But this doesn't address the original need. The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection made with Windows for Workgroups. In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the real packet driver for the mux to sit on. In the setup you describe there is no need to interface a virtual packet driver with the WinSock API because the DOS session can talk with the real packet driver. In any case, the desired functionality is not available nor is it worth creating. The only thing that makes sense is a telnet redirector. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 09:43:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!teosongh From: teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 16 Nov 1994 09:43:06 GMT Organization: DISCS at NUS Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: teosongh@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? -- SoNghEnG tHe 25 MiNuTeS lAtE... FoR tHe LaTtEr To CoMe... -=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-< Email : teosongh@iscs.nus.sg or isc30171@nus.sg >-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 22:06:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 20 Nov 1994 14:06:03 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when you get right down to it. Any help appreciated. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.161625.33380@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:16:25 MDT References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) writes: > > Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, and it runs fine in an OS/2 DOS box using communications facilities available to DOS programs. It works with OS/2 to relinquish cpu time slices when nothing much is happening and to economize on screen updating overhead. C Kermit for OS/2 is an OS/2 program which uses communications facilities available to OS/2 programs. MSK 3.13 is the current formal release, with 3.14 being in the last stages of beta testing. CK v5A(190) is the current C Kermit release. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:40:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:40:15 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 735 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com>, nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: > Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew > characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was > not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between > Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when > you get right down to it. ------------ We need to understand precisely what you mean by "Hebrew Kermit." MS-DOS Kermit is the vehicle delivering Kermit for Hebrew users of DOS machines, and it works well that way. The user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", discusses ways of using MSK with Hebrew hosts. The only Kermit command which is specialized for this purpose is SET TERMINAL DIRECTION (LEFT-TO-RIGHT, RIGHT-TO-LEFT); the rest is built upon regular Kermit features. You did not mention which version of Kermit you are using, which would have been helpful. May I suggest you look at the preliminary documentation for the beta MSK 3.14, file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test on kermit.columbia.edu. See the Hebrew subdirectory after you unpack the file. Btw, "beta" means things change before release. I'm afraid that we can't help with HED since that's outside of Kermit. Perhaps the attachment below has enough information to help. For quick general reference I'm going to bloat News with file Hebrew.doc from the archive. Hopefully it will help others get started too. Joe D. -------------- USING MS-DOS KERMIT TO DISPLAY, ENTER, AND TRANSFER HEBREW TEXT Frank da Cruz Academic Information Systems Columbia University E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu April-October, 1994 Beginning with version 3.13 (July 1993), MS-DOS Kermit includes full support for Hebrew text, including Hebrew terminal emulation for mixing Hebrew and Roman characters when using host-based Hebrew software, and translation of Hebrew character sets during file transfer. Earlier MS-DOS Kermit releases do not include Hebrew features. This document assumes some familiarity with DOS and with MS-DOS Kermit. References are listed at the end. This document explains how to use MS-DOS Kermit in Hebrew mode for interacting with other computers. It does not address questions of Hebrew text processing within the PC environment itself. WARNING: As of this writing, I have not been able to find a way to make the techniques described in this document work in a Microsoft Windows window. Even though Kermit itself works perfectly in a window, Windows does not allow the Hebrew font to be loaded. Reportedly, Windows 3.1 ML (Multi-Lingual) supports Hebrew, but perhaps not in a way that can be used by Kermit. Thus, to use Kermit's Hebrew features, you must run Kermit in DOS, or in a Windows fullscreen session, but not in a window. BACKGROUND: HEBREW CHARACTER SETS There are several coded character sets that contain the Hebrew alphabet. Each of these sets uses a different encoding, and therefore they are all mutually incompatible. To interchange Hebrew text between two computers that use different encodings, conversions must be done. Kermit software makes these conversions for you. The character sets are: ASCII - The American National Standard Code for Information Interchange. This is a 7-bit character set, incorporating 128 characters, of which 95 are "graphic" (printable) characters, and 17 are control characters such as carriage return, linefeed, etc. It contains no Hebrew, but it is the basis for all the other character sets discussed here, unless noted otherwise. It includes uppercase and lowercase Roman letters A-Z, digits 0-9, space, and various punctuation marks. ISO 8859-8 - The Latin/Hebrew Alphabet. The international standard character set for Hebrew, adopted by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), of which Israel is a member body. It is an 8-bit character set, incorporating 256 characters, of which 137 are graphic characters, 65 are control characters, and 22 are undefined. It includes ASCII, some additional punctuation, math, and currency symbols, plus the 22 Hebrew letters and 5 final forms. IBM PC Code Page 862. Similar to Latin/Hebrew, but including many additional characters (line and box drawing, accented Roman letters, etc), and using different encoding. Used only on PCs. IBM Mainframe Code Page 424. An 8-bit mainframe code, totally incompatible with ASCII and everything else, which contains approximately the same repertoire as Latin/Hebrew. DEC Hebrew (or "Hebrew-7"). A 7-bit character set, equivalent to ASCII, but with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters. Used to trick 7-bit applications and communication methods into handling Hebrew characters. ADDING HEBREW FEATURES TO KERMIT To use MS-DOS Kermit's Hebrew terminal emulation features, you must first load a Hebrew code page into your PC. "Code page" is IBM's term for "font" or "character set". An EGA, VGA, or compatible video system that permits text fonts to be loaded is required. The Kermit diskette contains a public-domain Hebrew code page (and several others) and public-domain utilities for loading and displaying code pages, compiled and/or created by Professor Joseph (Yossi) Gil at the Technion, plus additional material created at Columbia University: the Hebrew setups and key mappings for Kermit, various character set tables, documentation, etc. Here is a brief synopsis of the files in the Kermit HEBREW directory: HEBREW.DOC - This file HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Documentation for HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW-7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table And these are in the Kermit PCFONTS directory: LOADFONT.COM - Program for changing PC code page (font) LOADFONT.HLP - Help text for LOADFONT CHARSET.COM - Program to display current code page (font) CP437.F16 - USA code page CP850.F16 - Multinational (i.e. Western Europe) code page CP852.F16 - Eastern Europe code page CP862.F16 - Hebrew code page CP866.F16 - Cyrillic code page The CPxxx.F16 files are to be used with LOADFONT. For example, to load the Hebrew code page, type the following command at the DOS prompt: C:\> cd c:\kermit\pcfonts ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C:\> loadfont cp862.f16 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The CP862.TBL file will look right when you have CP862 loaded (for example, when you TYPE it, EDIT it, etc). The other .TBL files are there for reference and practice. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES After you start Kermit, type the command: HEBREW at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt. "HEBREW" is a macro, defined in MSKERMIT.INI, that executes the HEBREW.INI file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. HEBREW.INI sets everything up for you automatically. If you always want to have the Hebrew features available when you use Kermit, use a text editor to add the HEBREW command to your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then you won't have to type this command at all. The HEBREW.INI file: 1. Activates ISO 8859-8 / CP862 character-set translations. 2. Adds commands to let you change code pages easily. 3. Loads the Hebrew code page. 4. Defines the key maps for Hebrew and English keyboard modes. 5. Sets up commands and hot keys for switching keyboard modes. 6. Sets up hot keys for switching screen-writing direction. The initial keyboard mode is English. The Hebrew font remains loaded after you exit from Kermit, unless you load another font yourself. After Kermit has executed the HEBREW.INI command file, the following new commands are available at at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt: HKEYS Enter Hebrew keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. EKEYS Enter English keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. HFONT Load the Hebrew font (done automatically when you TAKE HEBREW.INI) EFONT Load the US font (CP437) MFONT Load the Multinational (West European) font (CP850) And the following function keys are available during terminal emulation (CONNECT mode): F5 "Hot key" to enter Hebrew keyboard mode immediately. F6 Hot key to enter English keyboard mode immediately. F7 Equivalent to DEC VT terminal's F7 key (for use with JTSA catalog). F9 Select right-to-left screen writing. F10 Select left-to-right screen writing. USING MS-DOS KERMIT FOR HEBREW TERMINAL EMULATION The HEBREW.INI file sets Kermit up for an 8-bit connection to hosts and applications that use the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew character set. This is the the international standard Hebrew character set, and the one used by most host-based applications, such as the ALEPH Hebrew library software. But it is not the same as the PC Hebrew code page, so Kermit must translate between the two. There are at least two other possibilities, which you must consider if you access a Hebrew application through Kermit, but the characters look wrong: . On 7-bit connections, "Hebrew-7" -- a 7-bit character set in which the lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters -- is generally used. Hebrew-7 codes are different from Latin/Hebrew and also from CP862. Hebrew-7 is commonly used in e-mail, in which it is difficult or impossible to transmit 8-bit text. To use Hebrew-7: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-7 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 7 . It is possible that some Israeli BBSs use Code Page 862. In this case, tell Kermit not to translate. SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 . For completeness, here are the commands to use ISO Latin/Hebrew: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-ISO SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 Before accessing the host or service, you must also choose the appropriate type of terminal emulation, one of the following (use the highest model that works): SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320 (this is the default) SET TERMINAL TYPE VT220 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT102 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 From this point, Hebrew-aware software on the remote host or service should be able to produce correctly formatted screens containing any mixture of English and Hebrew. ENTERING HEBREW CHARACTERS ON THE KEYBOARD MS-DOS Kermit acts like a Hebrew-model DEC VT terminal. Like your PC, the VT terminal has the normal number of keys; it does not have extra keys for Hebrew. Thus, some keys are "shared" between Roman and Hebrew characters. To send Hebrew letters the keyboard must be in "Hebrew mode", and to send lowercase Roman letters, the keyboard must be in "English mode". The HEBREW.INI file supplies you with commands and hot keys to switch modes: Command Hot-Key Enter Hebrew mode: HKEYS F5 Enter English mode: EKEYS F6 Use the commands (HKEYS, EKEYS) when at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt; use the hot keys (F5, F6) during terminal emulation. MS-DOS Kermit also allows the host application to change your keyboard mode automatically by sending escape sequences (the JTSA catalog application does this); see the Appendix at the end of this file. When Hebrew key mappings are in effect and you press any key to which a Hebrew code is assigned during terminal emulation, Kermit automatically translates the PC Hebrew code into the appropriate code (HEBREW-ISO or HEBREW-7 or TRANSPARENT) for the remote application, according to your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET setting. In other words, you do NOT need different key mappings for different host Hebrew character sets. HEBREW FILE TRANSFER Hebrew text-file transfer is supported only by MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit (UNIX, VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, etc), and IBM Mainframe Kermit (VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS). When transferring Hebrew text files between MS-DOS Kermit and a remote computer or service, use the following commands to ensure that the Hebrew characters are translated correctly: On the PC: On the remote computer: SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET FILE CHARACTER-SET xxx SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW xxx is the name of the Hebrew character-set on the remote host, such as HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7, or (only on IBM Mainframes) CP424. Then send and receive text files in the normal way. PRINTING All files created on your PC's disk by Kermit will record Hebrew letters in the IBM PC Hebrew code page, CP862 (provided you have set up the appropriate translation). If you have a printer that is capable of printing this character set, then all the normal printing facilities of DOS and of Kermit should work as expected: . The DOS PRINT command. . The Print Screen key in DOS or Kermit. . etc etc. NOTE: If you have an IBM printer that is capable of code-page switching, then the Hebrew fonts supplied on the Hebrew disk will probably not print correctly. In this case, you will need the real IBM Code Page 862, prepared and loaded according to the instructions on pages 126-129 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". (Sorry, I do not know how to get it -- try IBM Israel :-) If you do NOT have a printer with a Hebrew font built in, then you must use higher-level software to do the printing. Reportedly, for example, it is possible to import a plain-text CP862 file (such as Kermit would create when you save a screen) into Hebrew WordPerfect and then print it from there. ACCESSING THE ALEPH LIBRARY CATALOG APPLICATION The ALEPH system, in use throughout Israel and also at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, is designed for use by DEC VT terminals, such as those emulated by MS-DOS Kermit, and it uses the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew alphabet. The HEBREW.INI file sets everything up for you. If your PC is on a TCP/IP network and your MSCUSTOM.INI (MS-DOS Kermit customization file) is correctly set up for TCP/IP, you can telnet directly from your PC to an ALEPH host, e.g.: MS-Kermit> telnet aleph.huji.ac.il ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If your PC is not on the network, you can dial up with a modem. No matter which way you came in, you should now see the host banner and login prompt, e.g.: ********************************************************************** * The Jewish Theological Seminary of America * * VAX/VMS v.5-4 * ********************************************************************** Username: ALEPH ^^^^^ Respond to the "Username:" prompt by typing the word "aleph" and then press the Enter key. You won't need a password. Now you will see the following greeting and menu: Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.4 on node THEO Last interactive login on Tuesday, 8-FEB-1994 18:38 Last non-interactive login on Sunday, 4-JUL-1993 18:44 Terminal selection Standard (non soft font) terminals: 3. VT102 (Latin only, unless accessed using Israeli ALEPH KERMIT) 11. VT220 protocol (VT220,VT320,VT340,VT420,V603, etc. Latin only, unless terminal has Hebrew chip installed) Full Latin and SOFT FONT (Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic) standard terminals: 17. VT320 18. VT420 English/Hebrew and SOFT FONT (Arabic, Cyrillic) Israeli Hebrew chip terminals: 27. VT320 28. VT420 Select from menu : 11 ^^ Choose 11 (VT220) from the terminal-type menu. That's all there is to it. Now you should see an English menu on your screen with Hebrew writing near the top. Here's a quick demo: 1. In the menu screen, type "?/HEB" (uppercase, without the quotes) and then press the Enter key to switch to Hebrew display mode. The menu should change to all Hebrew, and your keyboard should switch automatically into Hebrew mode. 2. Now type "?/ENG" to switch back to English. Beware: Since the keyboard is in Hebrew mode while you are typing this, the slash character (/) is now mapped to lowercase "q", so to enter "?/ENG", you must type "?qENG". Notice how these characters echo when you type them. Now you should see a help screen whose left side is English and whose right side is Hebrew. 3. Now type "ENG" or "HEB" to select English or Hebrew screens. The host application automatically switches your keyboard to the appropriate mode. If you select Hebrew, the Hebrew key mappings go into effect automatically; if you select English, the English mappings are made automatically. 4. In an English screen, search for (say) authors named Singer by typing: AU/Singer In a Hebrew screen type the Hebrew author-search command, Mem-Chet-slash (njq) and the author's name in Hebrew, for example "zhbdr" (= Zade Yod Nun Gimel Resh = Zinger): njqzhbdr 5. To capture a screen, hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric keypad. This copies text on the screen to a file on your disk called KERMIT.SCN. If you do this more than once, it will keep adding new screens to the end of the KERMIT.SCN file, separating each one by a Formfeed. To get back to the main menu at any time, press the PC's F7 key. To leave ALEPH, type the word "STOP" (without the quotes) and then press the Enter key. Some Hebrew library catalogs that use the ALEPH software are: Central ALEPH Computer Telnet RAM2.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Bar-Ilan University Telnet ALEPH.BIU.AC.IL or 132.70.9.36 Ben-Gurion University Telnet BGULIB.BGU.AC.IL Haifa University Telnet LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL or 132.74.1.100 Hebrew University Telnet ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Jewish Theological Seminary Telnet JTSA.EDU Technion Telnet LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL or 132.68.1.20 Tel Aviv University Telnet TAUVAX.TAU.AC.IL or 132.66.32.6 Weizmann Institute of Science Telnet WISLIB.WEIZMANN.AC.IL or 132.76.64.14 In all cases, the username to use is ALEPH and no password is required, and in all cases you should choose "11" from the terminal-type menu. Also, please note that references to Hebrew-University Kermit are obsolete, as are the instructions for using it. All the work done at Hebrew University was incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, and upgraded to a much higher level of functionality. Please ignore the instructions about special MSKERMIT.INI files, VT102 emulation, Terminal Type 3, etc. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES IN NON-HEBREW APPLICATIONS You can use Kermit's Hebrew features to create or view plain-text documents on a CUNIX or other host computer written in Hebrew (or Yiddish?) (or Ladino?) if you keep the following points in mind: . Hebrew characters are restricted to the basic set of 22 letters and 5 final forms. . Hebrew characters are stored and transmitted left to right, even though they should be displayed right to left. . You can't mix Roman and Hebrew text in a plain-text file unless you are willing to type the Hebrew letters in reverse order (or vice-versa, depending on how the text is to be displayed). That's because non-Hebrew-aware software is not equipped to handle bidirectional text. If you are using Kermit to create or read Hebrew text on a computer that does not have Hebrew-aware software, you can tell Kermit to reverse its screen-writing direction to force characters to be written right-to-left: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION RIGHT-TO-LEFT And, of course, you can also undo this effect: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION LEFT-TO-RIGHT The HEBREW.INI file assigns these functions to F9 and F10, respectively, so you can conveniently switch direction during terminal emulation. If your connection to the host application is "8-bit clean", AND the application itself is also 8-bit clean, you can use the ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew Alphabet, which contains full upper and lowercase Roman, plus Hebrew, plus a variety of symbols. Unfortunately, very few host applications are 8-bit clean (except on VMS -- such as the JTSA Library System). EXAMPLE: Creating a Hebrew text file with the VMS EVE (EDIT/TPU) editor: 1. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to TAKE HEBREW.INI 2. Log in to the VAX. 3. EDIT/TPU . 4. Push F5 to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 5. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 6. Create/edit the file in the normal way. All the English will be displayed backwards, but the Hebrew will look right. IN THE 7-BIT ENVIRONMENT, you'll have to use the Hebrew-7 character set, in which lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters; thus only uppercase Roman letters are available. For example, to send a Hebrew e-mail message with (English) Pine: 1. Access and log in to CUNIX (don't put Kermit into Hebrew mode yet). 2. Start Pine and select COMPOSE MESSAGE. 3. Fill out the To: and Subject: fields of the message using Roman letters. 4. Move to the message body using the down-arrow or Enter key. 5. Press the F5 key to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 6. Use Alt-x to return to the MS-Kermit> prompt and enter the following commands: take hebrew.ini set terminal character-set hebrew-7 set terminal bytesize 7 connect Remember: you can abbreviate Kermit commands and keywords (but not filenames) to their minimum unique length. So the above commands could also be entered as: ta hebrew.ini set ter ch hebrew-7 set ter by 7 c 7. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 8. Type Ctrl-L (hold down Ctrl and press the L key) to refresh the screen. 9. Enter Hebrew text into the message body, referring to the keyboard map. If you must type numbers, enter the digits in reverse order. If you must type English text, enter the letters in UPPER CASE and in reverse order. 10. To send the message, type Ctrl-X (hold down Ctrl, press X). 11. To return to English mode, press F6 and F10, then Ctrl-L to refresh the screen. 12. Enter Q to quit from Pine. The person who receives your message must, of course, also be set up for the Hebrew-7 character set and right-to-left display. Remember that when the keyboard is in Hebrew mode, all Roman letters must be entered in UPPER CASE. This includes (of course) Pine commands. OTHER HOST-BASED HEBREW APPLICATIONS There is a version of the text editor EMACS, developed in Japan, called MULE (MUltiLingual EMACS), which is capable of handling Hebrew (as well as almost any other script in the world), fully accomodating mixed Hebrew and Roman (or other) scripts, and (reportedly) handling bidirectionality correctly. It works best with X terminals, but might also work in Hebrew mode with PCs running Kermit. There is a Hebrew version of the UNIX VI text editor, called vi.iv, from the Technion. There is reportedly a Hebrew version of the Pine e-mail software. EPILOG Because Hebrew text is intrinsically bidirectional (since, for example, numbers are written left-to-right, and Roman or other types of left-to-right text are often mixed in), no "plain-text" standard for Hebrew has ever emerged. Hebrew text can only be handled on a "higher" level, e.g. by applications such as the JTSA catalog, Hebrew WordPerfect, and so on. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, these higher-level applications are incompatible with each other, using different character sets and different methods for indicating and controlling directionality, not to mention other rendering and representation issues (Macintosh vs PC, font selection and style, boldface, italic, etc etc). Thus, widespread system- and application- independent interchange of Hebrew text has never been achieved. Informants in Israel tell me, for example, that Hebrew simply is not used in e-mail; everybody gets by with English. The situation with Arabic is similar, but not identical. The situation with other non-Roman alphabetic scripts, such as Cyrillic and Greek, is far better. These scripts can be handled very easily by a simple font change, and mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman or Greek and Roman letters in a plain text file poses no problems at all. Similar comments apply to other left-to-right alphabetic scripts such as Armenian, Georgian, etc. In the future, there will be a universal coded character set, ISO 10646, capable of representing all of the world's scripts in a single coding system, including both modern and ancient scripts. Presently, ISO 10646 includes only the basic Hebrew repertoire of 22 letters plus 5 final forms. An extension to this standard, proposed by the Israel Institute for Standards, will add vowel points, cantillation marks, and possibly also unique Hebrew forms of punctuation as well as Yiddish digraphs. ISO 10646 (and its precursor, Unicode, which is in most part a compatible subset of ISO 10646) will allow text to contain any mixture of scripts. But massive changes in software, data, as well as in display, printing, and data entry devices will be required, so only time will tell if ISO 10646 will achieve widespread use. APPENDIX I - EDITING FILES ON THE PC Your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are "plain text" files. The same is true of all Kermit command and initialization files. You can modify such files using the DOS EDLIN or EDIT programs. EDLIN and EDIT are documented in your DOS manual. The recommended method for editing these files is to use the DOS EDIT program. Let's suppose you want to modify your AUTOEXEC.BAT file. First, make a backup copy in case something goes wrong: cd c:\ copy autoexec.bat autoexec.bak And then start the editor: edit autoexec.bat This brings up a screen showing the file. You can move through the file with the arrow keys until you find the line you want to change, in our case the line that starts with "PATH=". Use the End key to position the cursor at the end of the "PATH=" line, then type the text you want to add, such as ";C:\KERMIT". To save the file, press Alt-f (hold down Alt, press f) to activate the File menu. Then use the down-arrow key to highlight the Save item, and then press the Enter key. To exit from EDIT, press Alt-f again, use the arrow key to highlight Exit, and press Enter. If you are using a word processing program to create or modify a DOS or Kermit command file, do not include any special effects (bold, underline, italics), and be sure to save the file in text mode. The method for doing this depends on the word processor. In Microsoft Word 5.0, for example, press the Esc key to get to the menu, press T to choose Transfer, press S to choose Save, type the filename, use the arrow keys to get to the "format" line, choose Text-Only, press Enter to save the file, and then leave the program by pressing the Esc key and then Q. In WordPerfect 5.1, use Ctrl-F5 (hold down the Ctrl key and press the F5 key) to save the file, press T to select DOS Text, 1 to Save, type the filename and press Enter, and quit from WordPerfect by pressing the F7 key. APPENDIX II - THE HEBREW KEY MAP (Note: Names of Hebrew letters are from the ISO 8859-8 Standard.) Hebrew Order Roman Order QWERTY Keyboard Order q = Slash , = Taw q = Slash w = Apostrophe . = Terminal Zade w = Apostrophe ' = Comma ' = Comma e = Qoph / = Period / = Period r = Resh t = Aleph ; = Terminal Pe t = Aleph c = Bet a = Shin y = Tet d = Gimel b = Nun u = Waw s = Dalet c = Bet i = Terminal Nun v = He d = Gimel o = Terminal Mem u = Waw e = Qoph p = Pe z = Zain f = Kaph a = Shin j = Chet g = Ayin s = Dalet y = Tet h = Yod d = Gimel h = Yod i = Terminal Nun f = Kaph l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet g = Ayin f = Kaph k = Lamed h = Yod k = Lamed l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet o = Terminal Mem m = Zade k = Lamed n = Mem n = Mem l = Terminal Kaph i = Terminal Nun o = Terminal Mem ; = Terminal Pe b = Nun p = Pe ' = Comma x = Samech q = Slash z = Zain g = Ayin r = Resh x = Samech ; = Terminal Pe s = Dalet c = Bet p = Pe t = Aleph v = He . = Terminal Zade u = Waw b = Nun m = Zade v = He n = Mem e = Qoph w = Apostrophe m = Zade r = Resh x = Samech , = Taw a = Shin y = Tet . = Terminal Zade , = Taw z = Zain / = Period If you have a PostScript printer, you can get a picture of the key map by printing the KEYMAP.PS file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. APPENDIX III - Technical Summary Hebrew terminal emulation and file transfer (version 3.13). Commands: SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7 } SET TERMINAL DIRECTION { RIGHT-TO-LEFT, LEFT-TO-RIGHT } SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP862 Terminal direction is controlled in two different ways: (1) by host- generated escape sequences (automatic, see below) and (2) by the SET TERMINAL DIRECTION command. When the writing direction is changed by escape sequences from the host, the cursor-positioning coordinate system is not changed. For example, if Kermit was in left-to-right mode and the host send ESC [ ? 34 h, position (1,1) would still be in the upper left. This is how a real Hebrew-model VT terminal works. If, however, you command Kermit into RIGHT-TO-LEFT mode, the coordinate system flips right to left so the origin (1,1) is at the upper right corner, which is useful for viewing and composing some right to left text. The host can override the user setting, and the user can later override the host setting. Hebrew character sets: . CP862 is the PC Hebrew code page, available from IBM as EGAHE.COM, or perhaps as a hardware code page on Hebrew-model PCs. Distributed on the the Kermit diskette in a public-domain form as CP862.F16, to be used with the (also public-domain) LOADFONT program. . HEBREW-ISO is the 8-bit standard ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet. . HEBREW-7 is the 7-bit Hebrew "National Replacement Character Set" (NRC), ASCII with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters, often used in e-mail. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 supports: . Automatic selection of writing direction by host escape sequence. . ISO 2022-compliant terminal character-set designation and invocation. . Hebrew keyboard mode. Hebrew-specific escape sequences recognized by the VT220 and 320 terminal emulators: ESC ) H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G1 ESC * H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G2 ESC + H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G3 ESC ( % = Designates 7-bit Hebrew NRC to G0-G3 ESC ) " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G1 ESC * " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G2 ESC + " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G3 DCS 0 ! u " 4 ST Assigns DEC supplement Hebrew as UPSS DCS 0 ! u H ST Assigns Latin/Hebrew as UPSS CSI ? 34 h Sets right-to-left screen-writing mode CSI ? 34 l Sets left-to-right screen-writing mode CSI ? 35 h Sets Hebrew keyboard mapping via Kermit macros CSI ? 35 l Sets Roman (North American) keyboard mapping, ditto CSI ? 36 h Hebrew encoding mode is 7-bit Hebrew-7 "National mode" CSI ? 36 l Hebrew encoding mode is 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew Hebrew keyboard mapping: . CSI ? 35 h invokes the macro KEYBOARDS, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Hebrew characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. . CSI ? 35 l invokes the macro KEYBOARDR, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Roman (North American) characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. NOTE: do not define KEYBOARDS without also defining KEYBOARDR to undo its effects! The various reports furnished by MS-DOS Kermit also include Hebrew-specific information, and the following host-initiated operations work in both left- to-right and right-to-left mode: Insert/Replace Mode, Autowrap, Backspace, Carriage Return, Linefeed, Formfeed, Vertical Tab, Horizontal Tab. The keyboard mapping sequences invoke the user-defined macros KEYBOARDS (h) and KEYBOARDR (l). Users should define these macros to accomplish the desired keyboard mappings with SET KEY commands. Sample mappings (those used with Hebrew WordPerfect, etc) are supplied in the HEBREW.INI file. In VT100 and VT102 mode, the following functions are supported: ESC ) 1 Enter Hebrew mode ESC ) B Exit Hebrew mode FURTHER READING 1. Your MS-DOS manual, the sections on code pages. For example, Microsoft MS-DOS Operating System Version 5.0 User's Guide and Reference (1992), Chapter 13 and the Appendix, "Keyboard Layouts and Code Pages". 2. Gianone, Christine M., "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Digital Press (1992), Chapter 13, "International Character Sets". Also, for TCP/IP setup, Chapter 16, "Kermit on Local Area Networks". 3. The files KERMIT.UPD and HEBREW\HEBREW.HLP on the MS-DOS 3.13 diskette. 4. The Hebrew character-set tables in the HEBREW directory, and the PC font material in the PCFONTS directory. 5. The Unicode Standard, Worldwide Character Encoding, Version 1.0, Volume 1, The Unicode Consortium. Addison-Wesley (1991). (End of HEBREW.DOC) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:44:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 21 Nov 1994 00:44:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, 25 minutes late... wrote: > >Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? > There are two versions of Kermit from Columbia U. that work with OS/2 WARP. First there is C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2. C-Kermit is certified by IBM as "Ready for OS/2" and "Ready for LAN Systems" C-Kermit provides vt220, vt102, vt52, and ANSI BBS terminal emulations over either serial or network connections (TCP/IP [WARP IAK], NETBIOS, NAMED PIPES, DEC LAT). Full scripting (Kermit and REXX) > 1 million line scrollback buffer Mouse cursor positioning and PM clipboard copy/paste File tranfer supporting OS/2 Extended Attributes OS/2 Long file names supported on FAT file systems and much more. ---- If you must use a VT320 or Tektronics emulation you can still use MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS Window or Full screen session. I would recommend using Ray Gwinn's Serail Fossil Drivers if you are going to use MS-DOS Kermit. MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate network card to that session. If you need more info, post again. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:52:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:52:50 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit script which prompts the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy of "the book" to arrive. Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) Thank you very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Homdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email preferred, but followups OK too) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 17:52:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:52:33 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ap5jm$km8@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hook <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1149 alt.winsock:22495 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says... > > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Many interesting projects arise from rather pointless objectives, and in this case, I believe we have the perfect example of a truly pointless objective. But, to continue this one step further (yes I know this isn't really attempting to solve the original problem), instead of trying to tie into the Winsock API, would it be feasible or even possible tie a DOS packet driver into the Windows based NDIS3 drivers (I believe MicroSoft's PPP driver is only supplied as an NDIS3 Windows based driver). It seems to me there would still be the problem of multiplexing multiple IP stacks (very undesireable). Brian A. P.S. Just trying to promote some more interesting and irrelevant discussion. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------------- /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 12:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: <1994Nov20.184340.33391@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 18:43:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hello: > > I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit > script which prompts > the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem > there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely > hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. > > There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & > experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I > am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy > of "the book" to arrive. > > Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) ----------- ask \%a prompt> prompt> if equ "\%a" "" echo The user did not provide text or if defined \%a echo The user did provide text and so on. Don't use {\%a} {} because they will parse out to empty, leaving if equ echo The ... which is not what is wanted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:39:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:39:07 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start slip going... Thanks for any help! Please if you can respond via email (micah@u.washington.edu) Micah From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:46:39 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from experienced folks? Thanks! Micah From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 22:03:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Keywords: SCO 3.2V4.2, MS-Kermit 3.13, Telnet, Interrupt, Data Mark Summary: SCO Unix sends Data Mark on interrupt. MSK 3.13 P13 displays as r. X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 22:03:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated by sending the stty interrupt character. This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:28:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:26:45 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1154 alt.winsock:22527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>>WinSock. >> >> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP >> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. >> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection >> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows >> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application >> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may >> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I >> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. >------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. ...but is similar to what is done inside TIA, if I am not mistaken. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:33:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:31:44 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1155 alt.winsock:22528 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>realistic. >>> Joe D. >> >>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. >> >>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. >> >But this doesn't address the original need. >The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a >WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection >made with Windows for Workgroups. >In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the >real packet driver for the mux to sit on. And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:46:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 06:46:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson writes: > > I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have > a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set > flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I > am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters > dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from > experienced folks? --------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 15:27:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 15:27:54 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3aqe9q$pfl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. | Joe D. Also be sure to lower the DTE rate appropriately if you're running a relatively slow computer. On my Tandy XT clone, I can't run my Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem faster than 19200, even with hardware handshaking. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 16:18:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!xchen From: xchen@liverpool.ac.uk (Prof X. Chen) Subject: Help: file transfer problem Message-Id: Sender: news@liverpool.ac.uk (News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: uxg.liv.ac.uk Organization: The University of Liverpool X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:18:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do not work at all. Could any expert out there tell me why. I use most default parameters for file transfer. WJ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:14:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:13:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid >for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger >than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, >insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness of others"... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:19:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: >I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with >kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run >slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is >because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and >figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit >but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start >slip going... > Since UNIX is a "real operating system" -- unlike, say, DOS -- processes close all open file handles when they exit. So no, you can't use C-Kermit on UNIX to open a connection and then exit and expect for it to be left open, at least not unless you configure the modem to ignore DTR, and take a few other esoteric steps, none of which are recommended as they pose distinct security risks. But there are several ways for C-Kermit to give access to its connection to other processes, which are covered mostly in section 11 of the file ckuker.bwr, which comes with C-Kermit 5A(190). These include PUSHing from C-Kermit, suspending C-Kermit, and forking (via ! or REDIRECT) other processes from C-Kermit. So read this material, and also read about the new (to edit 190) REDIRECT command in the 5A(190) ckcker.upd file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 03:00:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: winsock, ndis, sundry Message-Id: <1994Nov21.090047.33443@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 09:00:47 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe the last of the winsock discussion here. Just so we are clear on things. Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. We say again, pure Windows programs. And, I am unaware of any winsock implementation yet smart enough to get the heck off the hardware when the last close occurs. They all want to sit and occupy space and attachments whether used or not (not to mention complaining bitterly if one of their friends isn't ready when Windows starts). That puts these things in the category of TSRs rather than upon-demand programs. I think the industry has a step to go yet to clean up this act. NDIS 3 shims. Be my guest. First you need to decode NDIS 2, and then the tangle constituting NDIS 3. Splitting MS-DOS Kermit into pieces. Won't happen, please forget about the concept. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 01:43:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:24:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:31:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 07:43:13 MDT References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) writes: > When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines > (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no > obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA > Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace > shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. > > This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated > by sending the stty interrupt character. > > This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from > being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the > backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It > doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. > > ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -------- Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed both bytes. If you are still reading along, the way I understand this situation is the SCO machine was trying to flush bytes sent to the MSK client, by sending IAC DMARK in a TCP segment with the TCP URGENT bit set. The recepient is supposed to discard all data up to and including the IAC DMARK. Folks have commented upon this less than clear or desirable "feature" of Telnet, and Kermit does not play that game. Just how much discarding should occur is ambiguous, and I chose not to chase down internal buffers to do the flush. In any case, the commands are really intended to be sent to servers where a job may be blocked unable to read the data stream for the Interrupt Process command pair IAC IP or similar; they ought not be sent to clients. If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:27:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aql94$7ar@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: > >I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have >a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set >flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I >am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters >dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from >experienced folks? > Modem configuration is always a pain, especially with the newer modems. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit, you can get a Zyxel dialing script for it that sets up the modem and Kermit for optimal performance. This script comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, available via anonymous ftp to host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. Then just tell Kermit to "set modem zyxel" and DIAL. Remember this is still a beta version; report any problems via e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:31:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Prof X. Chen wrote: >I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University >Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download >files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files >to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do >not work at all. > This type of question is answered clearly and at length in the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major items to be considered: 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed, lock your modem at that speed, and also enable its error-correction and data compression features. 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means thereof, such as RTS/CTS. 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is *receiving* the file to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever other number works best). 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to "set window 4" (or other number). 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Items 1 and 2 are handled automatically by the dialing scripts for high-speed modems that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Items 3-5 require some experimentation to obtain the maximum transfer rate possible on any given connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 18:11:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:28:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:27:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Date: 21 Nov 1994 18:11:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3aqnsc$ohs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: >Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >versions of Kermit have this already? There are a lot of nifty frog pictures on the World Wide Web. A good source is Sandra Loosemore's Froggy Page http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/loosemore-sandra/froggy.html I've converted one of her drawings to a decent Kermit icon which you can access from my (under construction) kermit page: http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~zinzow/kermit.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 21:07:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:07:34 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In VMS you can "exit" C-Kermit and keep the modem allocated. I use the VMS ALLOCATE command and then go into Kermit and exit, then go into Kermit again and when I'm done I DEALLOCATE. Works like a charm and is extremely useful for my particular application (queuing files to send to various "nodes" but keeping the connection up in case the next file queued is for the same node!). Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 22:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta 14 ready for testing Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:24:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ar6m0$jmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-14 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Monday, 21 November 1994, 5:00pm EST: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-12 ( there was no Beta-13 :-) include: 1. Final touches added to SET CARRIER detection for rapid reaction. 2. Found and fixed the recent slowdown for real serial ports (too long a delay when waiting for the UART transmitter to become free). ZIP-file throughput dropped to 600-700 file characters per second, rather than the usual 1600 or so with a 14,400 bps modem (when Kermit protocol is tuned for peak performance and you have a buffered UART, etc). 3. Added new built-in DIAL command. This looks for a macro of the same name (such as the one defined in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file), and executes it with the given phone number as its argument(s). If no DIAL macro is defined then a simple internal macro named __DIAL is run instead. This allows at least some form of dialing to be done under program control even when KERMIT.EXE is run "bare" with no macros defined. The only assumption made by the built-in DIAL macro is that ATD is the dialing command. See (the new) section 1.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details. 4. Cured a bug when "\FOOBAR" or other word beginning with \F (upper or lower case), but not one of the \function()s, occurs in certain commands, especially in SET PROMPT. 5. Fixed a bug in sending packets over a seven bit channel with locking shifts active. A packet could be one byte longer than a "regular" one and be sent in long packet format by mistake. 6. Fixed a bug in packet capabilities fields which could prevent a client from requesting file type Binary automatically. 7. Minor fixes to Cyrillic .INI files, addition of a SHORTKOI.TBL file. Still more thanks to Joe Doupnik for his continuing work on this project and his responsiveness to beta testing reports. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. Let's give this one a good workout in hopes that it might be the final Beta! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 04:54:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 10:54:30 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1168 alt.winsock:22603 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) writes: > In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>>realistic. >>>> Joe D. > And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the > TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality > shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a > packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver > for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. ----------- Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 03:26:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!vkwan From: vkwan@dorsai.org (Vito Kwan) Subject: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Message-Id: Organization: The Dorsai Embassy - New York X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:26:02 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. Could someone please give me some hints? Thanks in advance. V. Kwan vkwan@dorsai.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:36:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!black.clarku.edu!kdesai From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai) Subject: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Message-Id: Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) Date: 22 Nov 94 02:36:43 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file should have one line. KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I normally start KERMIT again and now I am at MS-KERMIT> prompt and can do file transfers. I am sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but no avail. Any help is welcome. Kamal Desai Clark Univ. Worcester, MA 01610. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:12:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 22 Nov 1994 01:12:33 -0500 Organization: ncsc Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3as24h$q76@romulus.ncsc.mil> References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.ncsc.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [...] >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... If whoever provides one would be kind enough to post when it's available, I'd appreciate it. I'd rebuild it myself, having gcc and most other goodies, but the one goody I don't have right now is enough disk space :-( -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:56:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!vms.huji.ac.il!marder.agri.huji.ac.il!MARDER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: From: MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il (Jonathan B. Marder) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:56:35 GMT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: marder.agri.huji.ac.il X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >Subject: Re: kermit icon >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT >In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU >(David Anthony Sexton) writes: >> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >> versions of Kermit have this already? >> Dave. >--------- > Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe >you want to create your own. > Joe D. For what it's worth, here's my own icon ... __ Jonathan B. 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Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:00:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Jeffrey Altman writes: > MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities > do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate > network card to that session. Not entirely true, there are ways to use MS-Kermit's network capabilities. For example, I run multiple MS-Kermit sessions with NVT (Netware Virtual Terminal) over a global IPX/ODI stack on OS/2, talking to a SCO Unix host that's running an SPX/IPX stack. :-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:23:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 02:23:56 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> In article , Prof X. Chen Frank> wrote: >> I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and >> University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is >> ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, >> if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes >> very very slow and often do not work at all. >> Frank> This type of question is answered clearly and at length in Frank> the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major Frank> items to be considered: Frank> 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed,....... Frank> 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means...... Frank> 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is...... Frank> 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to........ Frank> 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update Frank> notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit Frank> and MS-DOS Kermit. I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor in my host side (only work in ASCII file). From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 19:45:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:45:23 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? any ideas? Joe From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:24:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:24:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >... >I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems >using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit >is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, >pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. >Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? > Because of billions of dollars of investment in the installed base of communications equipment, and even in some cases, operating systems. Let's be specific about exactly which Kermit software and which versions of it we are talking about. Released versions of Kermit software *do* *work* in both the 7-bit and 8-bit environments. There was a problem with a couple of the Beta edits of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, but that's Beta software, not released software. The current Beta (14) should not have any problems. Leaving Betas aside for a moment, the standard method for transferring files -- any kind of files -- over a 7-bit connection with Kermit is to tell *both* Kermit programs to: SET PARITY EVEN (or ODD, or MARK, or SPACE). When Kermit's parity is set to anything other than NONE, this enables -- in fact, forces -- 7-bit transfers, meaning that 8-bit data gets encoded in a special 7-bit form that can pass through the 7-bit connection. This should always work. In practice, it is usually only necessary to tell the file *sender* to "set parity ", because then it will tell the receiver. Newer Kermit versions (1990's vintage) will also detect even, odd, or mark parity automatically, even if you don't give a "set parity" command. But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server connections, etc. So to be safe, give a "set parity" command to both Kermit programs. Finally, don't expect this to work with non-Columbia Kermit implementations. In my experience, few of the shareware or commercial packages get this stuff right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:31:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:32:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:31:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:31:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3asvcr$qfg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), >I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same >setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many >retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I >need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the >file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor >in my host side (only work in ASCII file). > This is not Kermit's fault. You should be thankful that Kermit lets you adjust these parameters to make the file transfer work at all. Why is this happening? It's hard to say without more information, but the most likely culprit is a lack of buffer capacity in the "upstream" direction, coupled with a lack of effective flow control -- a fatal combination, and a common one. Many communications processors (terminal servers, front ends, host console drivers) are designed on the assumption that traffic *to* the host consists of nothing but keystrokes -- which hardly anybody can produce at more than about ten per second (= 100 bps) -- whereas traffic in the downstream direction is voluminous -- file listings, etc. So they have big output buffers and tiny input buffers. To compound the problem, some communications processors take this assumption one step further and do not even provide flow control in the upstream direction, because they figure they will never need it. A well-known example is the Cisco ASM series of terminal servers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:40:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:40:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3asvte$r9j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kamalkumar R. Desai wrote: >I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have >written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects >types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would >like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file >should have one line. > >KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK > >That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me >to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape >sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I am >sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I >looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but >no avail. > Actually, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Look on page 202, section Command Line Invocation: Several commands may be given on the command line, separated by commas. ... MS-DOS Kermit will exit back to DOS after completing the specified commands unless you include the STAY commaand on the command line: C> kermit connect, stay (end quote). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3at022$rfc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vito Kwan wrote: >I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a >phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. >Could someone please give me some hints? > Read the chapter on script programming in the manual? Use any of the standard dialing scripts, which already do this? Once again, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 15:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:49:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:48:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!interactive.net!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:53:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3at46e$nse@blackice.winternet.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kevin Anthony Stanchfield (kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu) wrote: : I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through : a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly : is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even : after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to : 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on : port 2. Can someone help? : Thank You. VMS C-Kermit ignores the binary request for certain file types. To force it to transfer the file as binary, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 17:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!stein-c From: stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu Reply-To: stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu Organization: SUNY at Buffalo CFD Lab References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:59:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... > I will be more than happy to biuld 5A(190) for the 7300. I have the stock compilers, and will leave most of the options in. How would I go about submitting this to the archive? -Craig -- Craig Steinberger stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab http://cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu/~stein-c/craig.html send email with subject "PGPKEY" for PGP public key From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:36:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!lacko From: lacko@enh.nist.gov (Tom Lacko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for screen dump capability in Kermit 3.12 DOS Date: 22 NOV 94 22:36:21 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 7 Message-Id: <22NOV94.22362199@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know of a screen dump utility (freeware, shareware, etc.) that I can use with Kermit 3.12? Thank you! Tom Lacko lacko@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:35:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 22:35:41 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this version because of the new features and added network support. However, the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes are thus: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, it works in 3.11 version. 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem 4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not getting to the PC. WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. -Darren G. Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 18:24:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:24:19 +0000 Message-Id: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 23:35:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 18:35:16 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3atv7k$kp3@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: :We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy :facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this :version because of the new features and added network support. However, :the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes :are thus: : : 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. : : 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. : : 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. : : 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :it works in 3.11 version. : : 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :getting to the PC. : :WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers :to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the :answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so :iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... 1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or do you have a macro handle all of this? 2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... 3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your mscustom.ini after upgrading? 4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do ``one-sided'' file transfers. 5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. Hope this helped a little. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 23:03:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 21 Nov 94 18:03:40 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or some graphical character set - I'm not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 03:37:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!ftlofaro From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 03:37:06 GMT Organization: University of Nevada, Las Vegas Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: big-twist.cs.unlv.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the communications port then. I know how to do the ioctl's and the break checking, but it is hard to find exactly what file and function I need to add my code to. Just going by the file names and grepping for ioctl isn't as useful as I had hoped. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:25:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:25:50 MDT References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: > I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol > converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch > character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone > and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or > some graphical character set - I m not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to > restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from > ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to > make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm > willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with > our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. --------- Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the item, or get your phone line fixed. I can't assist with your mainframe terminal facilties vis VT320's so I wish you luck with that end. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:28:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222848.33621@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:28:48 MDT References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais.cais.com () writes: > We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy > facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this > version because of the new features and added network support. However, > the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes > are thus:
> WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers > to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the > answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so > iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. > > -Darren G. Pifer > Code 431 - NAVMASSO > Phone: (804) 523-8098 > E-mail: pifer@cais.com --------------- I very seriously doubt that Columbia turned a deaf ear. Maybe a little personality clash or things just got lost in the shuffle? As the author of MSK please send me more details directly and I will see if we can understand some of them. jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 12:23:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fin and stat Date: 23 Nov 1994 12:23:15 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3avc7j$ocs@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: old feature appears again? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) under SunOS 4.0.2 and have noted what seems to be the re-appearance of an old "feature" - entering "stat" after "fin" gives the results for the "finish" instead of the last file(s). I remember this being noted as a bug years ago but it was then fixed in, I think, (179). It's not the most serious of problems but, if I haven't missed something, I thought that it was worth pointing out. Ralphe Neill From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:08:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 22 Nov 94 22:02:04 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 45 Message-Id: <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1192 alt.winsock:22840 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many > coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms > level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed > retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal > TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently > encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). > Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. > MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with > them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were > winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. > So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last > close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. > Joe D. I can use Trumpet Winsock (version 1, beta 6) and MS-Kermit, but not at the same time, and I can switch back and forth using either one, one at a time. I use WINPKT+ODITRPKT+ODI drivers. A guy from New Zealand says that he is able to use Winsock and KA9Q at the same time without stopping the other one. He is even using the same IP address for both of them! He uses PKTMUX. I think that XFS is a hack which allows you to have NFS and Winsock simultaneously. Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, and both stacks having the same IP number? I see the following problems: Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, do you hear? When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? Can these problems be circumvented? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:09:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:09:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3avpf3$hl8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu>, Frank Lofaro wrote: >Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? > >I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty >it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit >detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the >communications port then. > Although you did not say so, I assume you are talking about C-Kermit. C-Kermit is a software program that runs on literally hundreds of different platforms, and I am responsible for it, so you should probably contact me directly. Locally hacked versions of C-Kermit are discouraged, as a matter of self-preservation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:16:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:16:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3avptj$ila@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix >boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a >problem (using make iclsys5r4). > Running which version of UNIX? (I'd like to confirm that it works on DRS/NX System V R4.2.) >The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what >unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release >4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". > This is a new one on me. Maybe you could send me the compilation log directory (don't post it to the newsgroup). There is a makefile entry for Nixdorf Targon/31 with an operating system called TOS, which is based on System V R3, but that is probably not the same thing. But it is a pretty generic SVR3 version so it might be worth a try. In any case, please let's continue this offline. If anybody else has some feedback about the ICL and/or Nixdorf C-Kermit versions, please come forward. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:31:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:31:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3avqoc$jv2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: >We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy >facility... >WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers >to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. > We get about 500 tech support requests per day by phone, email, and postal mail. We try to handle all of them. We do not deliberately ignore any queries or requests for help. We do not turn a deaf ear, but (as Joe said) items sometimes do get lost in the shuffle, because sometimes we are overwhelmed by the sheer volume. If features are broken, we want to fix them. If features are poorly documented, we want to improve the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:46:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3avrm3$lck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, >rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: >> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol >> converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to >> switch character sets on me. >Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character >sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where >these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the time... > It is a fundamental limitation of terminal/host communication that noise can be generated on the communication channel that looks to the terminal exactly like a legitimate control function. Control functions can do anything at all -- not just switch character sets. You can avoid this situation by setting up an error-corrected terminal session via SLIP, or making a network connection instead of a serial connection, etc. You can minimize (but no eliminate) the risks of this on a dialup connection by using an error-correcting modem and hardware flow control. When you can't avoid a noisy connection, and you only care about ASCII characters (i.e. you don't ever want to see accented letters, etc), then you can designate ASCII to all four of Kermit's terminal character-set tables as follows: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET ASCII G0 G1 G2 G3 Consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Appendix II, "Terminal Character Set Terminology and Mechanics", pp.289-290, for details. For further details, read ISO standards 4873 and 2022, or a VT220 or VT320 Programmer Reference Manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:28:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:28:07 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1197 alt.winsock:22862 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote: % Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, % and both stacks having the same IP number? Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! % I see the following problems: % Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? % How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe % add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible % on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of % course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, % do you hear? % When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate % check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? % Can these problems be circumvented? I am not competent to answer these questions, but we don't have any problems of this kind. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 11:19:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!muster!news From: Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de (Johannes Becker) Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Sender: news@muster.hrz.uni-giessen.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:19:05 GMT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: HRZ Uni Giessen X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1198 alt.winsock:22872 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. Hello, there4s a program called COMt around, that redirects MS-Windows calls to COM-Ports to the internet. Microsoft4s tcpip32 winsockets for Windows for Workgroups come with DOS-programs like ping, that are redirected to the tcpip32 winsockets. Could any programmer put these things together to build the above mentioned shim? Johannes From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 17:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais2.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:00:44 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > >: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on >:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. >: >: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. >: >: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. >: >: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals >:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, >:it works in 3.11 version. >: >: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem >:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not >:getting to the PC. >: >Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... > >1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and > changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or > do you have a macro handle all of this? I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, ie. tput init That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' status line back. This worked in V3.13. >2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. >3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you > sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your > mscustom.ini after upgrading? There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. >4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > ``one-sided'' file transfers. I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? >5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. >Hope this helped a little. > Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Darren G. Pifer NAVMASSO - Code 431 Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 06:29:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.122910.33675@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 12:29:10 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > > I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the client rather than sending long strings from the host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.150438.33689@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 15:04:38 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: > :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. > :>: > :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals > :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, > :>:it works in 3.11 version. > :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here > :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of > :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so > :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Rollback 0 has always meant, and continues to mean, no rollback screens. > Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can > remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a > sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want > to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says > the same thing. > > :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > : > :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > > Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: > > define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive > define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- > if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- > set delay 1, apc receive,- > if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name > else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name > > Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think > that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't > send and out. ------------- Both. MSK 3.14 has command APC to send to a host, in addition to VTxxx reception of them. Thanks Jerry, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 01:53:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:53:48 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com wrote: >I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how >to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that >same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not >have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of >such? I can help with this one (since I've used both apc and terminalR/ terminalS). There's nothing to set up on the PC side with apc, no terminalR or terminalS macros. That's the idea-- apc is more flexible. You just have the host Kermit execute 'apc comma, separated,list,of,commands', and this list will be sent to the PC, which will execute them as though they were a comma separated list of commands in a macro definition. The PC Kermit automatically goes to command mode when it recieves an apc, and automatically returns to terminal mode after it finishes executing the commands. The only thing that you may want to set on your PC is the 'terminal apc' variable. Default is 'on', which enables "safe" commands. If you want your apc to include delete, run (shell to DOS), or other "unsafe" commands, you need to 'set terminal apc unchecked' first. This itself can be done from the host, with a separate apc command. Note that terminal apc should be reset back to 'on' as soon as possible. The apc from the host can also instruct your PC to execute a macro or take file you want something. One last little note: If you want a backslash sent in an apc command (eg. directory specifications) from a Unix host, it seems to be necessary to escape it with a second one, or it isn't sent. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 05:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:04:30 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos (darkstar@chopin.udel.edu) wrote: >Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think >that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't >send and out. Quickly checking kermit.hlp for 3.13, this seems to be the case. This is probably because if you want to control the host Kermit from the PC end, you put the host Kermit in server mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:51:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!kastanchfiel From: kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 23 Nov 94 22:51:28 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pinto.is.csupomona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, 7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14,... What else it there? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 11:03:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!alun From: alun@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alun Jenkins) Subject: DPS 6 kermit ! Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:03:16 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello!, I have the doubtful honour of trying to get DPS 6 kermit working Unfortunatly i dont have a C compiler can any one help Im running GCOS V2.0 Alun Jenkins -- Alun G Jenkins Tech Support OSICOM UK ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fanatic Viper 3.20 Bic Allegro 2.7 Mosquito 2.55 Neil Pryde 3.5 4.5 5.5 Twin cam ST From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 19:30:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:30:19 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 101 Message-Id: <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) :> :>: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. :>: :>: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. :>: :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. :>: :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :>:it works in 3.11 version. :>: :>: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :>:getting to the PC. :>: :>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... :> :>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and :> changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or :> do you have a macro handle all of this? : :I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears :to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, : :ie. tput init : :That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' :status line back. This worked in V3.13. Okay, what's probably happening is that tput is trying to (and succeeding at reinitializing your screen). What you want to do is tell tput to set the information for the host and just reset the terminal (thus you're assuming everything on the terminal is fine--which it should be). So, just use the ``tput reset'' command in your .login. The ``reset'' argument tells it to just reset the terminal instead of reinitializing it... :>2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... : :I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN :is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. :I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. : :>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you :> sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your :> mscustom.ini after upgrading? : :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says the same thing. :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. : :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set delay 1, apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't send and out. :>5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. : :I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. : :>Hope this helped a little. :> :Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Glad to be of help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >3.14,... What else it there? > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" or thereabouts. Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 15:27:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!seguin!regie From: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca (Regis Houde) Subject: Xmodem with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Organization: IREQ - Hydro-Quebec Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:27:59 GMT Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a trivial question but... I want to download a file from Unix to a BBS using Xmodem. I don't have control over the protocol/software used by the BBS machine. Here is what I did (and it didn't work...) ------- Kermit session ------ set modem hayes set line /dev/cua1 set file type binary set speed 9600 dial BBS_NUMBER connect % Here I placed the BBS software in the recieve mode % % I tried run xmodem -sbk my_file % And !xmodem -sbk my_file ------- End of Kermit session ------ What am I doing wrong? If someone know how to do it using tip, I'll appreciate too. Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------- Regis Houde regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec regie@ireq-robot.uucp 1800, montee Sainte-Julie (514) 652-8107 Varennes, Que., Canada J3X 1S1 FAX : (514) 652-1316 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:12:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!yar.trincoll.edu!nmiller From: nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:12:11 GMT Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.cc.trincoll.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 17:19:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 24 Nov 1994 17:19:14 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 73 Message-Id: <3b2hui$4ih@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1210 alt.winsock:23017 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I (leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote: % Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock % simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is % supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! And I was asked by email for details of the setup we use. In case anyone else is interested: If running over packet drivers I load the following before starting Windows. I use 3 pktdrv's (I had some problems with only 2, though that should have been enough, 1 for Kermit & 1 for Winsock) rmftpat2 0x78 [ packet driver for my ethernet card ] pktmux /i 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv This is the odi solution we use when we also want to connect to a NetWare server: lsl rmodiat2 [ this is odi driver for my ethernet card ] odipkt 1 0x78 pktmux 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv [then NetWare stuff] ipxodi netx login And in my net.cfg I have: Link Support Max Stacks 8 buffers 8 1600 MemPool 4096 Link Driver rmodiat2 Frame Ethernet_802.3 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 ; I have no idea if I need this next chunk but it works so I leave it in Protocol TCPIP tcp_sockets 8 udp_sockets 8 raw_sockets 1 nb_sessions 4 nb_commands 8 nb_adapter 0 nb_domain show dots = on long machine type = RM_PC file handles = 80 get local target stacks = 10 spx = 20 preferred server = CS06 Then I run Windows. Both Kermit and Winsock are in my path. Both get their IP configuration info from a bootp server running on a unix box. Hope this helps, Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 08:14:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:18 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:14:08 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and outputs it to the active com port. The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original text from the file. For example, an 'output aaa\97128bbb' will generate 'aaa\97128bbb' while 'output aaa\47122bbb' generates two strange characters sandwiched between 'aaa' and 'bbb'. Is there any way of disabling the \ translation feature temporarily in a script? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:12:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:12:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and >outputs it to the active com port. > Using which Kermit program, and what version? When commenting on the behavior of a software program, it is always a good idea to say which program it is, and which version of it. >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation >feature temporarily in a script? > Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you should be able to do something like this: read \%a output \fcontents(\%a) By the way, a similar kind of problem occurs whenever you need to refer to DOS-like pathnames in a Kermit script. The solutions are the same. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 04:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:13:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov24.105425.33738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 10:54:25 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) writes: > Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running > and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in > hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. > > The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble > using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, Look at COMSPEC= in your Environment and see "...\4dos.com" which means binary four to Kermit. Had 4dos.com been named fourdos.com there would have been no problem. Joe D. > however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, > MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:23:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit WWW Home Page Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3b2lm7$nsc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Infobahn surfers, a first cut at a home page for Kermit. The URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/~kermit/ Comments welcome, via email to kermit@columbia.edu -- please let's not clog the newsgroup with discussions about home-page and HTML trivia. I'd appreciate having pointers to this new home page added to home pages in other locations. And yes, I know there are no pictures of frogs. That is on purpose; please don't bother sending frog pictures. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 10:12:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Message-Id: <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 15:12:13 CDT References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, > Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >>SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >>And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >>3.14,... What else it there? >> > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" > or thereabouts. > > Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. > > The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure > this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. > > Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then > tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG > file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. > > - Frank Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. Good luck. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:26:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3b33v1$89m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wrote: >Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm >posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit >will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with >retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. > Right. Of course, if the load on one or both systems is hideously high, or the network is horribly congested, then Kermit can time out before the expected packet comes, even though it would have come eventually. Here again, the user has control. The solution is to increase the timeout interval, rather than the retry limit. The trick is to avoid unnecessary retransmissions, not to increase the number of them. The command is "set receive timeout", which should be given to both Kermit programs in advance of the transfer, for example: set receive timeout 20 to increase the timeout interval from the default 5 seconds to 20 seconds. If you know the connection is good, but very slow, you can use "set receive timeout 0", meaning wait forever for each packet, and don't time out. For greater detail, see the Command Summary section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 01:31:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 01:31:37 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I need it to do. I'm confused. I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Thanks for your help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com (Internet Direct, Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:34:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Summary: Problem seems to be DM sequence split across segments. Cc: jrd@cc.usu.edu X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 76 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 22:34:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785741645snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen >an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the >high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as >IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed >both bytes. ..... > If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. The original log I had was just the ALT Z screen from NCSA telnet. However, I have now done a trace with KA9Q (I couldn't get the packet driver trace to log anything, although it has worked before - possibly something to do with using ODIPKT now?). There is no kermit involvement in the tracing process. It appears that the data mark is being split between two segments, which appears to me to be a legitimate, although perverse, interpretation of RFC 854. In the following, one delete, the default interrupt character, is entered at the login prompt. I have the kermit option negotiation trace, and the full KA9Q trace, but it seems to me that the options are irrelevant. I've pruned the data from ACKs. Using the login sequence as an example was to reduce the length of the trace. The symptom is easily repeatable. (It's even repeatable on new versions of KEATERM, but not older ones!!!) [ A fuller trace has been sent to JRD ] Thu Nov 24 12:51:30 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 63 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 47 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a5f Ack x2163e01f ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 7 0030 10 00 69 f0 00 00 6c 6f 67 69 6e 3a 20 00 4e ..ip..login: .N >>>>> ACK Backspace and echo sent by mistake. Thu Nov 24 12:51:38 1994 - et0 rec >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 sent: Ether: len 55 00:00:c0:2d:5f:81->00:80:0f:66:bd:8c type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.73->193.130.6.37 ihl 20 ttl 63 prot TCP TCP: 1024->23 Seq x2163e020 Ack xa4559a67 ACK PSH Wnd 11680 Data 1 0030 2d a0 2f 60 00 00 7f - /`... ========================^^=============================================DEL Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a67 Ack x2163e021 URG ACK PSH Wnd 4096 UP x1 Data 1 ==========================================^^^ 0030 10 00 cc dd 00 01 ff 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..L].... ========================^^=============================================IAC <<<<< ACK >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a68 Ack x2163e021 ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 1 0030 10 00 d9 fd 00 00 f2 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..Y}..r. ========================^^===============================================DM >>>>> ACK -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 03:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: <1994Nov25.094509.33775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 94 09:45:09 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, > I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. > I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to > worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I > need it to do. I'm confused. > > I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with > the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection > to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this > intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal > servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. > > 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what > _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? It is not a client option. It is how the other side may choose to hand out IP addresses to clients. SLIP has no provision to supply this via a protocol transfer so you may need to read it off the screen or similar. Dynamic in this case means drawn from a pool of IP addresses on some server machine. Cicso terminal servers support bootp over SLIP and that will provide the information. I have no idea about other host connections. > 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it > seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver > for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? See above. PPP can do the same. However, there is no formal way of transferring that information to the overlying TCP/IP protocol stack. Each vendor has different methods (if any). MS-DOS Kermit can obtain that information from the DOS Environment and from Novell's NET.CFG file for the case of Telebit PPP drivers. Bootp may or may not work in your environment. > If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really > understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider > can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They > only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Then you need a better service provider. Winsock means TCP/IP stack, Windows or not, and thus the problem is exactly the same for DOS and Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 00:03:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 00:03:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should have a professional look, and should suggest Kermit's use as a communications program (with perhaps a hint at its networking, graphics, and/or international character-set capabilities, and/or speed and flexibility, etc). No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any other kind of animal, puppet, or cartoon character, although graphical puns (not too obscure) on "3.14" might not be ruled out(*). Judging and selection will be arbitrary and capricious. The winner will get full credit in the KERMIT\WINDOWS\READ.ME file. - Frank (*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 03:33:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Character-set stories needed Date: 26 Nov 1994 03:33:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3b6aai$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit News, Character Sets Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Kermit News #6, due out soon(er or later), we'd like to collect some stories, testimonials, quotes, and/or evidence of the usefulness of the character-set conversion capabilities found in MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit. If you are using these capabilities in terminal connection / emulation (i.e. CONNECT mode) or in text-mode file transfer, please drop a note via email to kermit@columbia.edu and let us know. We'd like to hear from everybody, but we'd especially like to hear from people in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union about the Latin-2 and Cyrillic capabilities, since we have received, until now, so little feedback on these: how do people in the Czech Republic or Poland or Hungary deal with the incompatibility of Code Page 852 and ISO Latin-2 in their data communications if not with Kermit? How do Russians, Bielorussians, Ukranians, and Bulgarians convert among the KOI8, Short KOI, ISO Latin/Cyrillic, DKOI, etc, encodings for Cyrillic text if not with Kermit? We know, for example, that Russian newsgroups are in KOI8, but Russian PCs use "Alternative Cyrillic" a.k.a. CP866 -- MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit handle this fine, although the complete package -- fonts, keyboard drivers, complete mappings, etc -- was not included in the basic package until version 3.14. What about Poland -- I see there are some pl.* Polish newsgroups, but I can't get access to them from here. What character sets are used, etc? But like I said, more commonplace stories are welcome too, from Western Europe, Latin America, Canada -- anywhere. Japan and Israel are pretty well covered, but if are using Kermit's Hebrew and Kanji capabilities and we haven't heard from you, feel free to jump in! And if you have any other Amazing Stories involving Kermit software, send them in too -- get published! Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 02:54:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 02:54:11 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : Antonio Querubin wrote: : >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and : >outputs it to the active com port. : > : Using which Kermit program, and what version? Kermit 3.14, latest beta downloaded today. : >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ : >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port : >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original : >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation : >feature temporarily in a script? : > : Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in : both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you : should be able to do something like this: : read \%a : output \fcontents(\%a) Actually I have something like this in a loop: read \%l output \Fcontents(\%l)\13 and the file contains: 94BQ011XXX UAR\47122 OSAN AB 94BQ011XXX UAR\47142 TAEGU The \47122 and \47142 get sent as two control characters. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 10:40:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!atmos.met.utah.edu!jgmiles From: "John G. Miles" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 03:40:44 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 34 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: atmos.met.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu In-Reply-To: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed without problem. However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've tried has been unsuccessful. Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as often as I'd like). --John Miles jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 09:17:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:17:41 +0000 Message-Id: <785755061snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 15:45:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 10:45:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b7l7b$l6d@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : :Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should [stuff deleted] :No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any [stuff deleted] So the no frog rule, is this because we want kermit to appears more ``professional'' or is it to avoid and form of lawsuit (or both)? :(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit : will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Isn't this the naming scheme that all of us TeX/LaTeX users have grown to love when it comes to Knuth's TeX engine. Hey, couldn't hurt here too! 8) --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 20:10:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 20:10:39 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. (etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, patch level 17, and do this: MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... Unable to contact the host. The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. ?Cannot start the connection. MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host indirect.com ... trying name indirect.com Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com ?Cannot start the connection MS-Kermit> I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 02:08:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Date: 27 Nov 1994 02:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3b8pmk$kgn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. >(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to >my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit >3.13, patch level 17, and do this: > >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... > > Unable to contact the host. > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. >?Cannot start the connection. >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host indirect.com ... > trying name indirect.com > Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 > Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com >?Cannot start the connection >MS-Kermit> > >I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not >possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is >possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? > >Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. ------------------ PPP is, um, a Point to Point protocol. Only two stations on such links, this one and the other one. Thus the only way off the wire is through the "other one." This in turn implies two important things: 1. ARP doesn't work or even apply because that's a physical layer broadcast to obtain the physical address of other stations on the wire (having the same IP "network" number but different IP "host" numbers). 2. All, and that means ALL, stations are reached via the "other one", and hence the "other one" is the IP Gateway for all outbound traffic. 2 corollary. The IP network is confined to two stations, us and the "other end." Thus the wire can hold 165.247.1.us and 165.247.1.them and that's it. All other stations must be on a different IP network number and reached via the "other end" as a gateway. This includes name servers etc. The "other end" must be prepared as an IP router, or else you will need to log into the other end and create a Telnet session there which goes onward. I'm happy to hear that you got the Merit PPP driver to work at all. It hangs my machine during its startup every time I'm tried it, well before Kermit is started. I have no idea of what's inside that serial driver or how it really represents itself to programs (it hangs my machine...). So, I suggest you talk with your service provider about IP numbers of your link and tell Kermit about the gateway IP number and proper subnet mask. Nameservers can be anywhere in the world. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 17:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: HP95 Kermit Date: 27 Nov 1994 17:21:08 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3baf64$iah@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.palmtops:19572 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Hajo Brunne wrote: |i want to use kermit for filetransfer from HP to unix (ckermit) | |I run ckermit on unix in server mode, but i can not send multiple |files (c:\_dat\*.txt or something like that), the send command |in the HP built in option will not allow me to select more than one |file. | |The other way starting HP95LX kermit in server mode and trying to |get more than one file by a get command from ckermit fails also | |i.e get c:\123\*.wk1 results in an error: | |File does not exist! | |Transfering one file only or using wildcards in c:\ |(i.e. get c:\*.*) works fine! Is HP's Software buggy? Seeing as how the HP95 is essentially an XT-compatible computer, I would download MS-Kermit 3.13 from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit. Lean, fast program; rock-solid terminal emulation and (more importantly) the definitive implementation of the Kermit protocol. I've crossposted this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for more info. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 19:53:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!jupiter!cselkin From: cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu (Carl Selkin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: delete Date: 27 Nov 1994 19:53:03 GMT Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3bao2v$knf@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.calstatela.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cant seem to delete in vt100 emulation. When I hook up, I can delete letters, but after the link is established I cannot delete. Can anyone help me? -- -Eli Selkin C/O Carl Selkin Acting Dean of the School of Arts and Letters Please Respond to me (e-MAIL ADDRESS ): cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 07:59:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulxho!VDK From: vdk%rulxho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Peter - INL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 07:59:27 GMT Organization: Institute for Dutch Lexicology Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Reply-To: VDK@RULXHO.LeidenUniv.NL Nntp-Posting-Host: rulxho.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit people, I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? FYI: MS-Kermit 3.13, patch level 12 Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) Parity: none, databits: 8, one stopbit MS-DOS 6.0 Computer: Compaq Contura 4/25 Hope someone can put a light on this problem. Thanks! Peter van der Kamp vdk@rulxho.leidenuniv.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 11:40:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!news From: Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 11:40:02 GMT Organization: Eu-Log-System Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help ... Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the filed ?? Any comment is appreciated. Thanks's in advance, Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:22:34 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bcliq$k76@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John G. Miles (jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu) wrote: : Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using : MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the : university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics : graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) : to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed : without problem. : However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I : prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my : graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the : tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an : IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. You application may not generate the necessary codes to invoke the Tektronix mode. Here is the sequence of codes I have my applications send to invoke Tek emulation on a variety of emulators. It is a bit more than MS-Kermit needs, but will work with MS-Kermit, NCSA Telnet, and Xterm (on an X server). All codes in decimal: 27,91,63,51,56,104,27,12 Try launching your application from a script file that first sends the above codes. If you need any help in generating the above codes, let me know. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:50:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:50:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3bcn7r$627@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl>, Peter - INL wrote: > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN > machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as > Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use > reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another > guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set > flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a > lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link > without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow > control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem > still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and > [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences > correctly? > Kermit does interpret these sequences correctly, as all of its users will testify. I, for one, use it every day in exactly the same environment as you (dialup thru high-speed modem to a Sun, running applications like trn, Lynx, MM, and EMACS) and it works perfectly. So something else must be wrong. Are you sure that Kermit and the Sun are both set to the same terminal type (vt220)? Does your PC have a buffered UART? If not, then you probably should not try to use interface speeds above a certain level, depending on (a) how fast your CPU is, and (b) whether your PC is running DOS or Windows. If you are running Kermit under Windows, you REALLY need a buffered UART. > What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun > machine? > Flow control is probably the correct answer. Remember, flow control is a game that needs two players. Telling Kermit to "set flow rts/cts" is not enough -- you have to tell your modem to do it too. > Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) > I never heard of this kind of modem, so I can't tell you how to operate it. My best advice is: 1. Get MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. 2. Look at one of our high-speed modem dialing scripts in the MODEMS subdirectory; say, ZYXEL.SCR. Sit down with your Victory modem manual and adapt the script to use Victory modem commands. Assuming your modem works right, this will ensure that Kermit and the modem have optimal settings for each other. If you wind up with a good dialing script, you might want to post it for the benefit of other Victory modem users. Also, be sure to read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the diskette -- it contains troubleshooting instructions for just about every imagineable problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bcnt4$6v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: AS/400 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the field? > Of all the computers and operating systems in the world, there are only a couple for which nobody has ever written any Kermit software, and the AS/400 (and its predecessors, the Systems /34, /36, and /38) is one of them. Evidently this line of computers must be very hard to program; from what little I know about them, everything is "different" -- the text character set (it's not ASCII), the file system (probably record- oriented), the communication methods (some kind of bizarre proprietary "twinax" block-mode affair). But we have hurdled such obstacles before in the IBM mainframe world, thus we have the experience and know what is required. We get this question frequently, so there is definitely a big demand. But we do not have an AS/400 ourselves for development, and even if we did, we don't have a programmer to do the work. Back in the early days of the Kermit project, there were dozens of sites developing Kermit software for every imagineable platform. Maybe it's time to revive that early spirit. Anybody who is seriously interested in developing a Kermit program for the AS/400 (or porting an existing program, such as C-Kermit) should contact me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 16:10:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!calvin.cc.duq.edu!SIMEONE From: SIMEONE@calvin.cc.duq.edu (Simeone Stephen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:10:03 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.cc.duq.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to use it instead. Thanks ! -- __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_@-@.--< Stephen R. Simeone `--'\ \ <___/. \ \\ " / PROJECT GENESIS >=\\_/`< Center for Communications and Technology ____ /= | \_|/ Duquesne University _' `\ _/=== \___/ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. USA = -_ __/=================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 19:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 19:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bdbsi$o3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu>, Simeone Stephen wrote: >Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not >familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to >use it instead. Sorry, but SuperKermit is just a non-Columbia University implementation of sliding windows protocol. The best Kermit protocols are those included within MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, C-Kermit 5A(190), and VM/CMS Kermit (version ?). These packages implement sliding windows, extended length packets, WHATAMI negotiation, and RESEND for binary files. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 20:52:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:52:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >>> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >>> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >>> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >>> ``one-sided'' file transfers. >> >> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to >> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on >> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini >> files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. > It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings > (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may > wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the > client rather than sending long strings from the host. > Joe D. When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of the mskermit.ini file: define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, FINISH, CONNECT The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we have to get V 189? Darren Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:46:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Message-Id: <1994Nov28.204615.33951@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Nov 94 20:46:15 MDT References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "John G. Miles" writes: > Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using > MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the > university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics > graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) > to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed > without problem. > > However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I > prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my > graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the > tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an > IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. > It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but > immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics > commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get > anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid > multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type > are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type > "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as > indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. > > I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I > understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is > seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've > tried has been unsuccessful. > > Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video > card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any > pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally > as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as > often as I'd like). > > --John Miles > jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu ---------- I recall replying to you privately John. I can't help from the above description alone. The Kermit documentation explains which commands in VT320 mode will trigger a change to Tek mode, and it's a necessarily restrictive set. ESC Control-L (ESCape Form Feed) is the most common mode, meaning Tek screen clear. ESC [ ? 38 h will too, as will starting a DEC Sixel graphics command. My suggestion is to capture a sample session to a log file via LOG SESSION filename. Then send me the uuencoded file with commentary on what should have happened when so I can dig into the bits. I will also repeat a warning which results from seeing those funny colored blobs in VT320 mode. It is to never let anything use video memory, A000-BFFF, because it's video territory. I will guess that you may have let a memory manager sneak down there by mistake. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 00:33:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 00:33:35 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? Is there a script that does this? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 06:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 06:00:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 07:37:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!wirt From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 07:37:43 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, the time is here yet again. My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about 200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain this speed or even better? Please respond via email, and thanks for any replies! -- Brian Wirt wirt@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:02:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:02:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3bfc8p$e68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com>, wrote: > When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to > download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file > and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of > the mskermit.ini file: > > define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT > define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, > FINISH, CONNECT > > The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new > built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. > You can do absolutely anything with APC, but there are always risks when computer A lets applications on computer B issue commands to it. That's why we have three levels of security on APCs. By default, they are not allowed at all, for paranoia's sake, since almost any command, when issued maliciously, might be harmful. So the MS-DOS Kermit user must issue "set terminal apc on" to enable the APC mechanism at all. This is a change from version 3.13, where TERMINAL APC was ON by default, due to user feedback. However, TERMINAL APC ON only allows what are deemed "safe" commands (such as file transfer commands), and disallows commands that are by their very nature unsafe (such as DELETE and RUN). That's why your second example doesn't work. To allow RUN commands in APCs, the MS-DOS Kermit user must SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED, which is obviously risky. There is, however, still a TERMINALR/TERMINALS-like mechanism in MS-DOS Kermit, namely the PRODUCT macro, which allows the host application to invoke a user-defined macro, and even pass arguments to it. See pages 181-182 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". >Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we >have to get V 189? > Any application can issue an APC command. It just sends ESC, underscore, text, ESC, backslash. In C-Kermit 5A(188) you can easily define a macro to do this: define apc echo \27_\%1\27\92 which you can use like this: apc { first command, second command, etc } Of course it's always better to run an up-to-date version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:05:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:05:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. > If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:16:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: > I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for > downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal > apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one > script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, > because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as > an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a > '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit > too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides > manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a > script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, > We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from malicious attacks. If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, then there would *be* no security. On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less than disaster. You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back to ON afterwards. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:21:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:21:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 180 Message-Id: <3bfdco$g07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, Brian Wirt wrote: >It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer >files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, >the time is here yet again. > >My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to >optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or >something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember >two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about >200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain >this speed or even better? > Reposting (and slightly updating): Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 153 Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found > that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! > I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to > Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > Yes. But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. This is the first day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup. I hope it will prove beneficial to all Kermit users. To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the Kermit software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/archives/msvib.zip. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. . C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz) VMS: Get kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. OS/2: kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Others: Get kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 20:10:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 94 20:10:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 12 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a weird MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug: MS-Kermit>set duplex f MS-Kermit>set duplex f The first time "f" properly expands to "full ", but the second time it expands to "full\13". How's that for an esoteric one? By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:39:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:39:55 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. : Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. : If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit : makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see : where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every : computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness : of others"... : - Frank To the unknown (to me) person who placed the 3B1 Kermit binaries for 5A(190) in kermit/bin: THANK YOU Enjoy. Bill From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:33:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 1994 22:33:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bga8d$jhe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , >... >By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over >NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? > Yes. This will be fixed in Beta-15. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:21:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!cornhead From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Need interactive Kermit to exit completely on modem disconnect Message-Id: Followup-To: poster Sender: cornhead@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:21:19 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run kermit on my UNIX system as a replacement for tip. I typically start up kermit "from the keyboard", the .kermrc points it at my modem attached to one of my machine's serial ports, I type "c" to connect to the modem and it's straightforward terminal interaction from their. When I log out of my remote host and my modem disconnects, I am bounced back to the the local Kermit> prompt. Fine for many years. But now I would like to use that same line and modem for uucp dial-outs and dial-ins as well. I could quit Kermit, and kermit would remove its lock files and give up the line and I'd be all set. But I've been doing that for months now, and seem to forget to exit Kermit explicitely all too often. It would be nice if Kermit automatically exited gracefully on loss of carrier detect: nicer still (I think?) if it relinquished the tty line and removed its lock but did not exit upon loss of carrier. Can I configure kermit to behave this way? If not "out of the box", any pointers toward hacking a solution? I'd bet there's a one-line solution. Thanks in advance! -Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 00:14:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: Marco Papa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Long packets Date: 30 Nov 1994 00:14:21 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bgg4t$jav@nntp.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for informatioin on implementation of Kermit long packets. Where should I look at? Thanks. -- Marco Papa From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 21:52:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 21:52:01 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, : Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: : >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? : >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. : > : If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is : install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is : supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the : appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:12:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: Yeechang Lee Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Assorted MS-Kermit questions Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:27 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-Id: References: <3beh0j$dm5@news.sas.ab.ca> <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu news.newusers.questions:41077 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1252 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 29 Nov 1994 gt7611a@prism.gatech.edu wrote: > The only complaint I have, is > that you cannot scroll back like you can with some other packages. (Or can > you? I don't know how.) First, make sure you're running the latest version (3.13 is the latest production version; 3.14 is in solid beta. Both are available at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit, or http://kermit.columbia.edu/) To turn screen rollback on, put SET TERM ROLLBACK ON in your mscustom.ini file. Then put SET ROLLBACK xxxx (where xxxx=# between 1 and 8000) to govern how many screens will be remembered. By default, the grey PageUp and PageDown keys will be used to scroll up and down--if you don't like this, you can redefine the keys. > I use GSZ, a Zmodem implementation, to download files -- I find it faster > than Kermit. On the other hand, I have frequently had difficulty > downloading using Zmodem, and then I download the same file effortlessly, > although more slowly, using Kermit. Why is it more robust? Kermit is a very cautious protocol. It "escapes" or sort of specially-marks all unusual control characters so they'll cross any link, whether a dialup to a BBS, dialup to a university Unix system through a terminal server, or whatever. (This is one of the reasons for Kermit's slower performance compared to Zmodem.) By contrast, ZModem was originally designed for 8-bit clean lines (e.g., the kind of connection you get calling a BBS over the phone). It escapes no control characters at all (though this can be changed--see your ZModem docs). You can experiment with only escaping the control characters on Kermit that cause problems for your system; this will help your throughput a lot. Get the Kermit 3.14 beta--it has a document, PERFORM.DOC, that details all this and more. > * I have heard, and you mention the same, that Kermit is only marginally > slower than Zmodem "if the settings are right". I have tweaked the packet > sizes, but I'm really only shooting in the dark. I have seen faster > transfers with longer packets, and my Unix machine, from which I sometimes > down / upload, prompts me to change BLOCKS. What are all these > parameters, and what do I set them to? (And how do I know that is what I > need to set them to?) Blocks, for Kermit, refer to checksum schemes. Type SET BLOCK 3 on both your side and on the university's side; it'll help accuracy. The 3.14 beta makes big improvements on all these fronts--not only is there the PERFORM.DOC, plus more discussion of this "Most Frequently Asked Question" in the main documentation (KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.BWR), but there are also some basic macros that will set things to go a lot faster than normal automatically. > * I currently PUSH out of Kermit, and then run a batch file to download > using Zmodem. It works fine, but is cumbersome. I have had many problems > uploading, though, and I have a feeling it may be due to the PUSHing. Is > there a way to use Zmodem straight out of Kermit's bowels? What Zmodem > protocol implementation do you use? Is there a freeware version? (Where > do I find it?) Yes. I have these lines in my mscustom.ini file; define rz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha on port 1 G rz -mrr define sz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha both port 1 G sz -Q^ -m \%1 \%2, Type the above lines _exactly_, including the case; just substitute in the filepath of your ZModem program (I'd recommend you find and use dsz.exe; it's quicker than gsz.com or dsz.com.). The '-Q^' is required on my system to escape a control code that causes problems for my server; it tells ZModem to escape ASCII code 30, '^^'. It probably won't be the same with your system; take that part out and see how things work out. Talk to your sysadmins about what control characters need to be escaped on uploads and downloads. Anyways, with these commands you can just type 'sz xyz.txt' and 'rz' to up/download right from the MS-Kermit command line. > I look forward to hearing from you soon. Hope this helps. I'll also crosspost this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Kermit HQ on Usenet. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 05:51:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:51:00 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is >a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such >as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from >malicious attacks. >If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, >then there would *be* no security. >On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less >than disaster. >You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think >about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk >far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login >script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul >SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back >to ON afterwards. Um, ok, I can accept this argument as far as it goes. But, problem is, if a macro or take file is invoked with an apc command, any "unsafe" operations called for in those are also disabled. So, while I can understand wanting to protect some innocent user from a malicious script or some such, what about having apc commands invoke scripts that others are unlikely to know about? Example: The script on my host account sends a compressed backup file, backup.tgz, as backup.tmp. The script on my PC receives the transfer and, *if the transfer succeeds*, deletes the already existing backup.tgz and renames backup.tmp to backup.tgz. Would an option to set apc unchecked for scripts only make any sense? If not, I guess I could always put the command in a macro and then bind it to a key... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 20:49:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com!news From: timur@vnet.ibm.com (Timur Tabi) Subject: can't get this script to work Sender: news@bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com (News Admin ID) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:49:09 GMT Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: timur.bocaraton.ibm.com Organization: IBM Boca Raton X-Newsreader: NetSuite News for OS/2 [version: 3.4beta] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that comes in. Here's the script: telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 -- Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@vnet.ibm.com, using UltiMail/2 Speaking as a member of Team OS/2, not as an IBM'er MMPM/2 MIDI Device Drivers From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 03:27:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't get this script to work Date: 1 Dec 1994 03:27:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3bjfrl$sum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Timur Tabi wrote: >I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting >feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" >line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that >comes in. > >Here's the script: > >telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com >input 10 login: >output timur\13 > Use: set host tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 connect Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 18:16:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!hsdndev!cfanews!cheimets From: cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) Subject: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:16:01 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file in 28 seconds). Is that fast? What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. thanks -- Peter Cheimets Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory ,__o- Smithsonian Institution _-\_<, 60 Garden St. (*)/'(*)- Cambridge, MA 01238 cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (617)495-7384 X134 (voice) (617)495-7098 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 01:32:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!lla From: lla@med.unc.edu (Lance Arnder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Autodialing Script? Date: 30 Nov 1994 01:32:46 GMT Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jason.med.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call failed 'line BUSY'") - therefore I can't test to see if the line I'm dialing is busy. I realize that this is a solved problem but it is frustrating me beyond its importance. Thanks a priori, Lance Arnder Imaging Physics Laboratory, Duke University Dept. of Radiology, UNC-CH From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 22:54:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: C-Kermit weirdness Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:54:07 GMT Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote a C-Kermit script for someone here at work to log onto a machine via modem and send a mail and then log back off to minimize the time on the modem. A command procedure (DCL) builds the commands that get executed by C-Kermit. To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like ":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is a test I performed that gives me the same error. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {123},show macro arglist} 1=(123) 2=() 3=() arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} ?No keywords match - glist ----------------------------- I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate this weirdness? Also I noticed that my version of C-Kermit doesn't perform a LF when it does its first output (the above was slightly edited). It really would have looked like this on my screen. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) 1=(123) 2=() 3=()ess {arglist {123},show macro arglist} ------------------------ Where after the "def arglist..." I did the same "xif" as shown above. I imagine this is a small bug and not big deal to fix. Just wanted to point it out. Thanks for your help in advance. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:23:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fonorola!alpha.vaxxine.com!pcbrad.vaxxine.com!brad From: brad@vaxxine.com (Brad Bell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Discard Date Question. Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:19:42 UNDEFINED Organization: Public Access at Vaxxine Computer Systems Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pcbrad.vaxxine.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? Thanks in advance.... Brad. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 17:50:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!news.ach.uams.edu!news From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 30 Nov 1994 17:50:41 GMT Organization: UAMS-Computing Services Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.30.1.66 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings! We're currently running C-Kermit 5a(189) under OpenVMS 1.5. We have a number of users who are using older versions of Persoft's comm programs SmarTerm 220 and SmarTerm 240 on their pc's. Unfortunately, these programs' implementations of kermit don't work properly when trying to GET a file from C-Kermit when it is in server mode. Every other kermit file transfer appears to work ok between SmarTerm and C-Kermit, i.e., interactive (non-server mode) send/receive operations work fine in both directions. SEND transfers with C-Kermit in server mode seems to work ok as well. Only GETs from C-Kermit fail. I understand from a post that I received from Frank da Cruz regarding this that many comm packages simply don't follow the kermit protocol the way they should, but I'd still like to try to get it to work if possible. I do have packet logs from attempted GET transfers using SmarTerm 240 (which doesn't work) and SmarTerm 340 (which does work), and SmarTerm 240 does send a strange packet up front which SmarTerm 340 does not (the strange packet is #N3 ). Quite a few users are a little concerned about this since everything worked fine before we moved from Kermit-32 version 3.3.111 on a VAX to C-Kermit on an Alpha processor. If anyone has found a workaround for this problem, please let me know. At this point, I don't want to tell everyone they have to upgrade their comm software or switch them over to something else, but I suppose that I will if I have to... Also, I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a 'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? All help is greatly appreciated...thanks! Bruce Hulsey Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences bruce@mail.uams.edu bbhulsey@life.uams.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 13:30:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!reichera From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 13:30:41 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkj61$r5j@clarknet.clark.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Cheimets (cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved : things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, : and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file : in 28 seconds). Is that fast? : What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was : supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. : thanks I have Kermit set to a packet size of 1024 with sliding windows set to 4. Running on a 9600 line, I regularly get transfer rates of about 1150 cps. -- ______________________ _________________________________________________ | Alan Reichert | The Noble Blades' 1994 Gratuitous Violence Tour | | reichera@clark.net | ----- | |----------------------| "Of course he has a knife. He always has a | | "Acrophobic Lighting | knife. We all have knives. It's 1183 and | | Designer for Hire" | we're barbarians." -A Lion In Winter | |______________________|_________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:22:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Autodialing Script? Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkm7i$798@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Lance Arnder wrote: >Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for >C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit >but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command >intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it >doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call >failed 'line BUSY'") > Here is a very simple one: define keep_on_dialing dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial } You should also be able to adapt MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts very easily. If the INPUT command is not reading messages from the modem, then maybe the modem is not issuing the messages. For example, it might be in "silent mode" or numeric-response mode. Or maybe you need to add the following command to your script program before attempting to do i/o with the modem's command processor: SET CARRIER OFF - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:34:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:34:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brad Bell wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS >VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. > The current version is 5A(190). >When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is >brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on >the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? > If you don't want this to happen, then tell either one of the two Kermit programs to: SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF It's in the manuals (both of them). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:40:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:40:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bkn8b$8qi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu>, Bruce Hulsey wrote: >... I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit >software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a >'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? > It used to be, but the people who wrote and maintained it -- Bob McQueen and Nick Bush of Stevens Institutue of Technology -- disappeared about eight years ago. The program is not supported, it's written in a language (Bliss-32) that nobody has and that even DEC has dropped support for, etc. So I'd say no, it is no longer recommended or encouraged. There is hardly anything it can do that C-Kermit for VMS can't do, and C-Kermit can do thousands of things that Kermit-32 can't. And C-Kermit is fully supported. If you have some old commercial software that does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, you probably won't get any sympathy from that quarter either -- they will tell you, just like I will, to use the up-to-date versions that fix older bugs and that are supported. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:46:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit weirdness Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:46:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3bknkh$984@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like >":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is >a test I performed that gives me the same error. >... >arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) >C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} >?No keywords match - glist > >I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly >what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate >this weirdness? > Quote the parentheses by giving the ASCII character value: xif success {arglist {\40},show macro arglist} - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:08:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:08:38 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application that is sending from VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running version 190). I need to have the server side rename a file when it receives it, but I want to be sure that this operation is secure (meaning that a malicious user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file in the same directory to which it was sent. So I assume that enabling host is out. Can I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). What are some other options or things to consider in this application? Thanks for any and all help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 23:26:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 30 Nov 1994 23:26:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bj1no$794@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > >Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. > dial mary; while failure {dial mary} -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:13:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!cockpit.syr.edu!vefatica From: vefatica@cockpit.syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fast file transfer Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:13:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3bl07p$e74@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@mailbox.syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-147.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those who are really serious about getting the very fastest file transfer should have some standard by which to measure their own Kermit's performance and compare it to others. By this I mean an utterly uncompressible file of significant length. It's easy to make one: using your favorite language, write characters in the range 0 to 255 AT RANDOM to a file. When you're done, try zip or gzip on it ... it'll get bigger ... it's really uncompressible. I keep a 100,000 byte such file (called "tight") around for testing purposes. I routinely achieve 1635 cps on a 14400 dialed connection and 1090 cps on a 9600 dialed connection. I believe this is pretty darned close to optimum for uncompressible data. How do you do it? As has been said, long packets and sliding windows do a great deal in speeding up file transfer, but you won't approach the speeds above with long packets and sliding windows alone; the key to squeezing out that last 20-25% of speed is CONTROL CHARACTER UNPREFIXING. By default, Kermit "prefixes" (adds a byte to) a fairly large number of characters; this is so intervening hardware and software won't misinterpret them and do something undesirable. For example, if there is xon/xoff flow- control in effect (anywhere along the way), an unprefixed ^S will be interpreted as a "stop" (probably not as desired). In addition, the characters which Kermit prefixes are among those which appear frequently in compressed data. So by default, Kermit does it as safely as possible. But in any given situation there's probably only a few characters which need to be prefixed; so in general you want to tell the sending Kermit to: set control unprefixed all set control prefixed [only the necessary ones] As Frank da Cruz has pointed out, precisely which ones are necessary is very much connection-dependent, and so experimentation is the only way to find out what you need. On a dialed connection where there's no xon/xoff (anywhere) and where I know the dial-up server is in transparent mode, I need only "set control prefixed 0 1 3". If there were xon/xoff in effect, I'd add to the list 17 19 145 147 (^Q, ^S, and their 8-bit counterparts). When I use Kermit to make a network connection, I add 13 141 255. So ... experiment. Upon first connecting to my dial-up server (a Cisco, I think) I have the opportunity to issue commands (only a few) to it. I can say, for example, "terminal download" which puts it in transparent mode, or "terminal flow hardware in out" which I imagine does just what it says. I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about such server issues, so if anyone would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it. Also by default, Kermit tries to do a little compressing of it's own by simply replacing strings of repeated characters with something shorter. This is probably futile for data that's already compressed. Even though it's not clear that Kermit's actually wasting time trying to do this, I tell the sending Kermit to "set repeat count off" whenever I know the data is already compressed. Respectfully, Vincent Fatica From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 04:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Alternative to ansi printing Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 04:00:45 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For whatever this is worth to anyone... It'll probably work on other host systems, bus since Unix is what I'm familiar with... I got the idea while reading through some of the documentation for MS-Kermit 3.14 BETA that ansi printing does no packet checking, but simply switches output from your screen to your printer. If you have a modern error-correcting modem, this is probably fine, but if your modem is old (like mine) and lacks that feature, there is the potential for characters to be lost, bursts of line noise showing up in your printout, etc. If you're using MS-Kermit 3.13 or later as your comm program, you can use it with C-Kermit (preferably 5A(190)) to print with full error correction. Pipe whatever you want printed into this: /usr/5bin/echo '\033_rec\033\\\c'; kermit -s - -a PRN The echo command simulates an apc command to MS-Kermit (kermit -C "apc rec" doesn't work; check your man page for echo to make sure it supports the special functions), which puts MSK into receive mode (be sure you have apc on-- SET TERM APC ON). The options for C-Kermit tell it to send from the standard input (from a pipe), and send it as PRN. MS-Kermit will accept PRN as a valid name; MS-DOS will send it to your printer. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what are blocks? Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:26:41 GMT Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? what are they blocks of? any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu "Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." -- Bertrand Russell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 04:56:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 2 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: z Message-Id: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su Nntp-Posting-Host: news.demos.su X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 09:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!odins-suita!alice!taeko!ocuhep!apple!duan From: duan@tama.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Message-Id: Date: 1 Dec 94 09:38:30 GMT Sender: news@apple.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Distribution: fj Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Osaka-City Univ., Japan Lines: 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: katsuo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You are girl! From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 20:24:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!delphi.cs.ucla.edu!twinsun!not-for-mail From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:24:43 -0800 Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3blbeb$cii@tattoo.twinsun.com> References: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.54.239.40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF This is an excellent command to put in your .kermrc if you transfer data across time zone boundaries. The current Kermit protocol does not understand time zones, and it can munge dates by several hours when transferring data from one time zone to another. I've had this problem, for example, when copying files between Unix hosts and then using `make' -- the bogus timestamps screw up the build, sometimes in subtle ways. Perhaps a future Kermit protocol extension can address this issue, so that time stamps are handled properly when both hosts know about time zones (as is the case with Unix or, for that matter, any Posix-compliant OS). From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 14:10:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what are blocks? Date: 2 Dec 1994 14:10:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3bn9t7$frg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT wrote: >when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster >transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember >to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea >what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? >what are they blocks of? > >any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) SET BLOCKS 1,2,or3 determine what kind of checking is used to determine that packet that was received contains proper data. On today's fast machines Block Check 3 (16-bit CRC) should always be used. Just place it in your INI file. Also, it must be issued on both sides for it to be used. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 19:29:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 2 Dec 1994 19:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm working on an application that is sending from >VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running >version 190). >I need to have the server side rename a file when >it receives it, but I want to be sure that this >operation is secure (meaning that a malicious >user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it >to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file >in the same directory to which it was sent. > >So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? > DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server program, before putting it in server more, then the client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". It's all in there. >Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen >it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). > MS-DOS Kermit as well as C-Kermit 5A(190) for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2 all support APC, but this only is effective during CONNECT mode. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 18:26:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!caip.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: halasz@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:26:55 -0500 Organization: caip.rutgers.edu Lines: 10 Sender: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: caip.rutgers.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): : But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable : from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server : connections, etc. Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. -*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*- Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which, unfortunately, no one whom we know belongs From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:15:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:51 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: <94120257161@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:52:41 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. Usually, it will not let me set line. SET LINE gives a "permission denied" or "access to device denied" error with /dev/term/b, /dev/tty/b , /dev/cua/b whether I am in as root or an ordinary user, with all the permissions on the /device file and /dev links set to 777, it does it no matter what. Now tip does fine with dial outs. But kermit won't do it. This seems so strange. A user can call in and start a kermit server on the same line. but no dice with the dial out. It is maddening. Has anyone else had similar problems? Any suggestions, ideas, snyde remarks? Any help will be most appreciated. Byron.Chandler@microserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:03:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 'contrib' directory? Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:03:38 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bo23a$k7i@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Perhaps this is crazy, but has anyone setup a contrib directory for scripts, front-ends, etc? We have the Kermit books here and I'll admit I've only used them as reference resources, but I was curious if anyone had an archive of .INI scripts, interface programs, etc?? If not ... I suppose I could offer to create one? Unless I'm the only one in the world too lazy to sit down and write my own scripts from scratch? :^) I do like indexing archives - maybe it's the librarian in me trying to creep out. andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:54:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:54:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bo522$45t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu>, wrote: >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): >: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable >: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server >: connections, etc. > >Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an >eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. Frank means what he says. Kermit can auto-detect mark, even and odd parity. But it is unable to detect space parity. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:08:33 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) writes: >I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved >things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, >and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file >in 28 seconds). Is that fast? You could probably tune it a bit... I usually end up with 720-730cps for 9600 baud and a decent line... if you're getting retries, cut the packetsize, otherwise up it a bit... I get good results with 1200 byte packets on a clean line.... -- warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 12:01:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:32 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Emp Message-Id: <94120256676@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:44:36 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Path: nuclear.microserve.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server >From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) >Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc >Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 >Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant >Lines: 2 >Sender: news-server@news.demos.su >Distribution: z >Message-ID: >Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su >NNTP-Posting-Host: news.demos.su >X-mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] > >How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? > From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 08:43:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Message-Id: <1994Dec2.144312.34369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Dec 94 14:43:12 MDT References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, vdk@rulxho (Peter - INL) writes: > Hello Kermit people, > > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The > terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my > screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With What might you mean by "mess"? > 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same > kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried > this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like > reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control > none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal > to VT 100, but the problem still exists. > The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a > way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the > settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? These are fine. MSK supports all of them and far more. May I suggest you look at the Sun machine to understand what terminal type it thinks it is using. Try a man page to see the visual effects too (though most man pages make a hash of the visual part). Then I will repeat the often stated Requirement that flow control be effective all the way through the comms chain. That means the host end must support an effective flow control which its modem understands... all the way to your desktop PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 20:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 20:37:30 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that : the command processor is unavailable. : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of 3.13. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 02:09:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!hopi.dtcc.edu!hobbes.dtcc.edu!bob From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 3 Dec 1994 02:09:48 GMT Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bok1c$e9m@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... >(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit > will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Careful, I think that last one is one of the values that triggers the Pentium bug.... ;-)) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm College | AIDS, Drugs, Abortion: - | |Computer Center, Dover, Delaware | - Don't liberals just kill you?| |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu |Save whales; and kill babies? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 22:17:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? >> >DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >program, before putting it in server more, then the >client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) > >Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >It's all in there. There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. I'm running both an Alpha... C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.17, 8 Aug 94, for OpenVMS AXP Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And a VAX machine... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And neither allow REMOTE RENAME! Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames without allowing renames across directories, or is there something missing in my version of C-Kermit?! What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT to work? I want to enable as little as possible. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 00:24:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: "OPEN READ file" Problems Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:24:09 GMT Lines: 82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank et al, I apologize that everything I post to this newsgroup are problems I'm experiencing with C-Kermit. I truly love the product and have little complaints! Now to the problem... I'm running... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX And created a text file called param.dat containing three small lines of text. Then went into C-Kermit and did this... C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open C-Kermit>type sys$login:param.dat username password e-mail@address --------------------------- I checked all the docs I have (THE book, the beware file for VMS, etc). I didn't find any exceptions for READ for VMS. The !READ works fine when I do this... C-Kermit>open !read type sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a username C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a password C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a e-mail@address C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open ----------------------- So why won't READ work in this case? Is it possible my file attributes are what it needs to be for it to read the file correctly? They are... MV80:[]$ dir /full sys$login:param.dat Directory SYS$USERS:[HATCHER] PARAM.DAT;1 File ID: (8847,19,0) Size: 1/3 Owner: [HATCHER] Created: 3-DEC-1994 17:49:44.15 Revised: 3-DEC-1994 18:46:26.02 (2) Expires: Backup: File organization: Sequential File attributes: Allocation: 3, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit Record format: Variable length, maximum 14 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes: None Journaling enabled: None File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED Access Cntrl List: None Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks. Thanks for the help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:10:24 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi --- I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works fine (Text xfers are text, and binary xfers are binary). But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. Here is the troubleshooting I tried to narrow it down.... Looked at "show file" on both sides...it says "Text" Get the above result when I pcget from UNIX. Tried set file type text explicitly on both ends before pcget. Still get same result. Wrote a little script to rule out error in pcget macro: apc server pause 2 remote set file type text set file type text get dosfile.txt finish Ran the script from UNIX side, and still the file was xferred as Binary not Text! What am I missing here ? I would appreciate any suggestions, insights, criticism, etc. As far as RTFB goes :-), I'm still working from .HLP/.UPD/.BWR as my copy of the book hasn't arrived yet :-( Thanks very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email OK, followups OK too) 908-949-4926 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 21:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP, NE2000 and Kermit Date: 03 Dec 1994 21:43:40 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to use Kermit 3.14 on my PC with an NE2000 network card. I run the Crynwr packet driver, and the parameters shown after execution are: packet-intr: 0x7e hardware intr: 9 i/o address: 0x300 I configured the parameters correctly in mscustom.ini, and then attempted to connect to a host. Kermit claims it cannot reach the gateway. I had my network admin snoop the subnet for me, and I saw that my requests to the gateway were reaching it, and that the gateway was responding. After a while, my PC would request a again, and the gateway would again respond. For whatever reason, my PC does not seem to acknowledge the responses from the gateway. Any hints, pointers to the porblem? I had a theory that perhaps Kermit was responding the hardware interrupt delivered by the network card, but I think it more likely that the network card may not be recognizing packets that are meant for itself. -- James From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 14:22:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lockup problem Date: 4 Dec 1994 14:22:26 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old kermit did: it locks up. I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". It never unhangs until I hit ^C. I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. What else would cause Kermit to lock? Please **EMAIL** replies, as I will be offline for most of the next week. Thanks! Gary From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 16:48:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Warp: Can Ckermit and TCPIP work together? Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:48:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3bsrsv$37b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get CKermit for OS/2 to work with the TCPIP stuff that comes in the OS/2 Warp Bonus Pack, but I have not been successful. Is this at all possible? If anyone has done this, please let me know how they did it. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 23:36:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13609 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Bayleaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ USA) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:36:28 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) wrote: > Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: > : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor > : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. > > : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only > : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that > : the command processor is unavailable. > > : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: > : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. > > Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the > 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's > loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands > from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or > less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) > let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). > > If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might > wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview > probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to > run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. > > Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of > 3.13. > > -- > Xander. To get more memory when shelling to MS-DOS, use a program called "Shroom" - Short for "Shell Room". Waffle BBS folks swear by it. It shells the program you are using out to disk or memory, and gives you the greatest possible memory in that situation. Ask on comp.bbs.waffle for the place to find it. (It also works great with programs like Deskmate, compilers, and every other program that shells to DOS). -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 18:45:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!infomatch.com!infomatch.com!not-for-mail From: blaak@infomatch.com (Ray Blaak) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 4 Dec 1994 10:45:22 -0800 Organization: InfoMatch Information Services Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Summary: see subject Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' instead of a serial device. Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Cheers, Ray Blaak blaak@infomatch.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:07:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:07:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bvaaq$ibl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94120257161@microserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94120257161@microserve.com>, Byron Chandler wrote: >I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I >have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a >bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is >a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. > UNIX bidirectional ttys are a big problem for C-Kermit. That's because every version of UNIX, and every release of every version, handles this issue differently. It's no surprise that tip and/or cu on a particular UNIX version, such as Solaris 2.3, handle bidirectional ttys OK, because these are vendor-provided utilities. They are probably also installed suid to root or somesuch. There is no way C-Kermit, which runs on over 400 different UNIX variations, can account for bidirectional ttys on all of them (or for that matter, any of them!) without introducing thousands of lines of code, security risks, and insurmountable maintenance headaches. The standard advice (found in all the relevant documentation) is: before using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional tty, use your system utilities to make it non-bidirectional. For example, make a shell script wrapper that kills the getty and restarts init, or that runs admintool, or whatever, then runs Kermit, and then when Kermit exits, puts the line back the way it was. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:21:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , -M.BAKER wrote: >I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: > >PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) > >When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. > This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta release, Beta-14. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:28:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:28:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bvbid$kce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >>program, before putting it in server more, then the >>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > Oops, sorry. I should have looked before I leapt. I really thought it was there! Oh well, it will be in the next release. >Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames >without allowing renames across directories... > The only Kermit server that supports REMOTE KERMIT commands is Kermit-370 on IBM mainframes. There are no plans to add REMOTE KERMIT server-end support to C-Kermit, even though the C-Kermit client can send REMOTE KERMIT commands. So for now the only way to get a C-Kermit server to rename a file is to send it a REMOTE HOST RENAME (or REMOTE HOST MV, or whatever, depending on the operating system) command. >What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT >to work? I want to enable as little as possible. > Unfortunately, this requires that you ENABLE HOST, which is what you were trying to avoid. Of course, there are other solutions, such as sending the file with the desired name in the first place. But if this is to include a directory part, then you have to ENABLE CD. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "OPEN READ file" Problems Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:37:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bvc3q$l92@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm running... >C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX > >And created a text file called param.dat >containing three small lines of text. > >Then went into C-Kermit and did this... > >C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat >C-Kermit>read \%a >C-Kermit>echo \%a > >C-Kermit>read \%a >?Read file not open > I dunno. I tried this locally and it works fine, assuming the file really exists and really has three lines in it, and OPEN READ was given the correct file name. The typescript above makes it look like your PARAM.DAT file consisted of one empty line, and the second READ command got an end-of-file. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:45:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:45:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net>, Gary Fritz wrote: >I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) >from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old >kermit did: it locks up. > >I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, >though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing >the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then >it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I >started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it >with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". >It never unhangs until I hit ^C. > >I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. >What else would cause Kermit to lock? > Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and modems"), as described in the HP manual, "Configuring HP-UX for Peripherals: HP 9000". If you attempt to use a serial device before it has been configured this way, it will not work properly; typical symptoms are (a) no communication at all; (b) nonfunctional modem signals; and/or (c) massive amounts of character loss in both directions. (end quote) Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:47:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com>, Ray Blaak wrote: >I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' >instead of a serial device. > The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations VMS C-Kermit OS/2 C-Kermit AOS/VS C-Kermit Stratus VOS C-Kermit - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 16:54:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 08:54:24 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3bvgk1$f7i@pacifier.com> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > C-Kermit hasn't implemented Remote Rename yet. I called attention to this many moons ago in a message to, I think, Terry Kennedy. Here is one instance wherein old Bliss Kermit outshines C-Kermit; Bliss Kermit implements Remote Rename. Whether one can rename across directories is a function of the privs allotted to the account wherein the remote Kermit is run. What Frank was saying, I think, was that you could rename the file(s) locally before you sent them via Kermit. Ciao! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 6 03:13:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:13:17 -0500 Organization: United Fashions of Texas, Ltd. Lines: 29 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- The expected result, which Crosstalk did provide, is a blank screen with the shell prompt toward the top, and the word "background" twice on some line of the screen. Kermit however, responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. The "background" words are erased as well, which should not happen. Kermit did respond correctly to a couple other small tests. I hope this can be fixed for this version, it's the only vt220 feature I need which Kermit does not support. Yet :-). -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 21:34:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:34:26 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, Xander Jansen (jansen@surfnet.nl) wrote: >If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might >wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview >probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to >run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. If memory's a problem, another option is setting the screen rollback buffer smaller. Setting it to 5 instead of the default 10 would (according to the docs) save about 20K or more. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:20:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:50:40 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3c0e98$5a4@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ray Blaak (blaak@infomatch.com) wrote: : I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' : instead of a serial device. : Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. : Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Yes. kermit.columbia.edu. I have used the telnet built into MS-Kermit, C-Kermit for AIX, and C-Kermit for Unixware. On newer kermits with TCP/IP, one can telnet from the kermit prompt or a kermit script file. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 21:59:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:59:47 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I still haven't found a way to do server side renames of a file. I send the file as one name and want to rename it on the server side. REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to find this command in the book and it doesn't work on my version. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 12:15:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:55:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:54:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!warwick!bham!news!bam From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 06 Dec 1994 12:15:00 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. This is really strange. I too have never seen REMOTE RENAME in any kermit manuals or implemnataions and yet the "Kermit Protocol Manual 6" (1986!) includes the underlying protocol support for this command. What gives? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 16:05:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:05:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I still haven't found a way to do server side >renames of a file. I send the file as one >name and want to rename it on the server side. > >REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to >find this command in the book and it doesn't >work on my version. > Erik: The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit which you do not want to do. The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very start. SEND oldname newname has exactly the same result as SEND oldname REMOTE RENAME oldname newname Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 17:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:26:23 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c26rv$8jv@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: > > MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows > UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations > VMS C-Kermit > OS/2 C-Kermit > AOS/VS C-Kermit > Stratus VOS C-Kermit Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave a kermit running in server mode. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c2ht1$4v2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start >up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you >can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave >a kermit running in server mode. > Not at the current time. Its not a limitation of Kermit but of the telnet server software on OS/2. I am attempting to work with IBM to address the issue. It does require some significant code changes (and optimizations) to enable it to work. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:52:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Message-Id: <1994Dec6.075216.34631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 94 07:52:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. > I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature > which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". > > I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences > and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---------- Correct. And it's fixed in beta-15. That beta is accumulating last minute bug reports and will be issued shortly. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 21:52:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:52:07 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Summary: How does flow control work? Keywords: MS-DOS Flow Control Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. Here are my questions: 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out the serial port to the host? 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? And is it the same during TRANSMIT? 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q characters on to the host, without further processing? This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? This is also the way a real VT-100 works. In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from the host, then not send any data to the host until the host sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user type without Kermit losing any? 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending when the host sends a ^Q? 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish for having missed it. 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled in the source code? Thanks for your help in this matter. --Mike Ciaraldi From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!halsoft.com!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Message-Id: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:45:17 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize com4, I know the modem works properly because I was able to downl oad using a different protocol. I download from a mainframe, so I need to use kermit, currently I'm using 3.14 patch level 6, which was working with my other modem at com1. Any ideas on how to fix it to work with com4? -CmC From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 15:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Date: 7 Dec 1994 15:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3c4ipk$afe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe >problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re >flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize >com4 ... > See the section "Nonstandard Communication Ports" in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 207. For greater detail, read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes in the top-level directory of the ZIP file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 22:22:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!vki68!eks From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] X/Y/Z modem from kermit - Possible ? Date: 6 Dec 1994 22:22:14 GMT Organization: Water Quality Institute, Science Park Aarhus. Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3c2o6m$j48@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vki68.aar-vki.dk Summary: Is it possible to start X/Y/Z modem transfer from within kermit ? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here in Denmark BBSs very often don't have kermit comm. facility. Normally they have the X/Y/Z modem "thing" only. Is it possible to initiate a X/Y/Z modem transfer from within a kermit "session" ? If so is there some special programmes I need to install on the system ? The system(s) we are using kermit on are: SCO ODT 3.0, Motorola sys/V r36 (and dos/Windows). Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 02:39:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow Message-Id: <1994Dec8.083912.34887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 94 08:39:12 MDT References: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about > a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are > omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this > because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because > I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice > to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. -------- It's not a problem in MSK 3.14. But MSK 3.14 is not available for general distribution yet; it is still in beta. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:21:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!progshop From: progshop@world.std.com (Programmer Shop) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:21:05 GMT Lines: 39 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3799 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52014 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3724 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1314 comp.lang.c++:96621 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) writes: >Dear Sirs, >I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. >The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully >(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found >Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. >I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported >by the package. >If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the >following matters, please share them with me! >- Kermit under MS-Windows >- communication libraries for MS-Windows Greenleaf is definately an option. CommLib (and Comm++) supports Kermit with compression and eigth bit prefixing. One of our developers have have been using CommLib for several version (since 4.0) and have had great success and good support. Other Comm libs that support Kermit that I know of are CrystalCOMM for Windows by Crystal Software and possibly MagnaCOMM by SofDesign. Sorry, no shareware. -sk >Sincerely, >Pasi >-- > Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 > t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 > Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:44:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!collins From: collins@iastate.edu (Gene Collins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 8 Dec 1994 20:44:22 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus2.cc.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >-M.BAKER wrote: >>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >>and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: >> >>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) >> >>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. >> >This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta >release, Beta-14. > >- Frank Well, unfortunately, I seem to be having a similar problem downloading zip files from a bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. Gene Collins (collins@iastate.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 18:46:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 9 Dec 1994 18:46:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ca8lu$1hs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu>, Gene Collins wrote: >...I seem to be having a ... problem downloading zip files from a >bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on >the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take >place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the >files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same >procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm >currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Only to make sure that the BBS Kermit software, whatever it is, has also been told to send the file in binary mode. In general, it is the *file sender* that determines the transfer mode. It sounds as if, in this case, the BBS was sending the ZIP file in text mode. A good tipoff would be if the transferred file was bigger than the original file, and every carriage return in the transferred file was followed by a linefeed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 19:17:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: apology Date: 9 Dec 1994 05:47:39 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c7m4j$duk@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: eve.adam.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sorry about an article apparently posted 3 times - we've had a news problem here Andrew Dunstan Mayne Nickless From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:05:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!tomg From: tomg@agora.rdrop.com (Tom Glover) Subject: Scripts via Telnet X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #9 (NOV) Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:05:03 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with kermit. Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying to do it with a telnet session. Using C-Kermit 5A for SunOS 4.1 Thanks in advance for any help Email - tomg@boiled.egg.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 00:04:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts via Telnet Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:04:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3caraa$oe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Glover wrote: >I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with >kermit. > >Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have >had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying >to do it with a telnet session. Of course it is. Instead of using TELNET in your script, use SET NETWORK TCP/IP SET HOST whatever your login requires transfer files logout SET HOST As long as you don't enter CONNECT mode, you can run scripts. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 05:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec9.112623.34998@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 11:26:23 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > Does MSkermit support the use of Arcnet packet drivers? > The reason I ask is that the docs with the packet drivers say that > to use arcnet, the client software must support it (arcnet) specifically. > They make mention of KA9Q being the only known client to support it. > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > Thanks, > --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu --------------- As the documentation says, MSK supports Ethernet (DIX/Ethernet_II/ BlueBook) and SLIP Packet Drivers, as well as working directly over ODI for these and other lan topologies. Be sure to use MSK 3.14 beta or later (when there is a later) for TCP/IP over Arcnet ODI drivers due to an ODI ambiguitity problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 23:16:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!not-for-mail From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Florida International University Message-Id: <-3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Control: cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:16:28 GMT Approved: news@newshost.fiu.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 22:03:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jnavas From: jnavas@netcom.com (John Navas) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Organization: The Navas Group, Dublin, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:03:18 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3809 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52063 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3736 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1321 comp.lang.c++:96686 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tolonen Pasi (t130313@cs.tut.fi) wrote: > Dear Sirs, > I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. > The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully > (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found > Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. > I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported > by the package. > If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the > following matters, please share them with me! > - Kermit under MS-Windows > - communication libraries for MS-Windows Check ftp://rainbow.rmii.com/pub2/turbopower -- Best regards, John From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 08:03:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!qucdn!smithm Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:03:08 EST From: Mike Smith Message-Id: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got a user who complains that he gets the error ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that is important. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:47:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!jambo.cc.columbia.edu!jt50 From: jt50@columbia.edu (Jess Ting) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 10 Dec 1994 04:47:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jambo.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need to quit Kermit and restart it. In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions perfectly well after it is restarted. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 14:17:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 20:17:50 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Dear Joe, > These (4 and 5) are two different cases, and they are different from 3. > Each may be appropriate in certain situations, and I wanted to find > out if Kermit supported them. > > Consider a VAX with a serial card that has large output buffers, as many do. > If a terminal (or Kermit emulating one) just passes through > ^S and ^Q characters (case 3), what happens when the user hits a ^S (XOFF)? > It gets sent to the host. The host CPU detects it and stops sending data. > However, there may be several thousand characters still in the > output buffer of the serial card, and there is no mechanism for the > host CPU to notify the card to stop sending. So, even though > the user has hit ^S, several more pages of data appear on the screen > and scroll off the top of the screen. I've seen this happen many times. > Fortunately, MS-DOS Kermit has a screen scrollback buffer, > but this is still a problem for most users > (those who are not using Kermit, of course). > > In case 4 and 5, when the user hits ^S, Kermit would stop sending > updates to the screen. It would just accumulate any incoming > data from the host into a buffer, then send it to the screen later > when the user hits ^Q. The difference between 4 and 5 is that > in 5 the host also gets notified, so there is a chance that the buffer > will not overflow. In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Accumulating into a buffer is what triggers almost all flow control activity: it reaches a high or low water mark. For snappy flow control response reduce the capacity of the comms channel. Too much storage capacity will result in lost bytes, with no way to prevent that from occuring (except buy a faster PC). > > On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit > last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. > I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used > another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. > The Unix machine was set for no flow control. > I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, > then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started > appearing in the window on my Unix machine. > Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. > Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until > it received a ^Q? I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 14:04:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:04:55 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Erik: > >The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME >is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit >which you do not want to do. No I'm not willing to compromise our system security to rename a file! :) >The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename >on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file >with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very >start. > >SEND oldname newname > >has exactly the same result as > >SEND oldname >REMOTE RENAME oldname newname But it is not "exactly" the same result, is it? One creates a file called "newname" from the start. The other only creates "newname" after the entire file is successfully sent (assuming that REMOTE RENAME isn't done "if failure"). The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my automatic process to pick up received files on the remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent or not successfully sent. It only picks up files with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions get released? Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 07:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wmichgw!x93aroor From: x93aroor@wmich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Date: 7 Dec 94 11:32:12 EDT Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of kermit for 1) MS-Dos 2) Windows 3) Vax/Vms Thanks in advance -Chandru From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 03:14:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!world!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!lippens From: lippens@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Rick Lippens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Date: 8 Dec 1994 03:14:41 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c5tn1$qcp@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: access.mbnet.mb.ca Summary: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So, are Kermit and Miss Piggy still going out or what? Just curious.... Jim Kirk From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:59:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!henson!evelyn From: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) Subject: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Western Washington University Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 04:59:58 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new p.c.'s. Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. Thank you, Evelyn -- |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (206) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 06:09:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 10 Dec 1994 06:09:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3cbgne$od2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my >automatic process to pick up received files on the >remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent >or not successfully sent. It only picks up files >with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Not to be obnoxious, but its about time you explained why you needed this. >Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, >so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! >BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions >get released? It depends on how much time we have to program. And how many additional features need to be added. It was about 1.5 years between 5A(189) and 5A(190). Its really hard to say. In the meantime, I suggest that you use the SEND oldname newname mechanism with delete on failure. And then, code your other task to never copy a file unless it can open it with exclusive write access which should fail while the file transfer is occuring. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:59:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.225915.35079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 22:59:15 MDT References: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) writes: > Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are > rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently > acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server > is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between > the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new > p.c.'s. > Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved > if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information > needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. ----------------- Which communications pathway? Did you revise DOS memory management for the new hardware? Patch level of MSK? Disk caching program really ok? You might try logging the packets on both sides (LOG PACKET command to see who said what to whom). Any other reasonble details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 09:41:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:41:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:40:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Date: 8 Dec 1994 09:41:35 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3822 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52114 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3743 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1331 comp.lang.c++:96747 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Sirs, I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported by the package. If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the following matters, please share them with me! - Kermit under MS-Windows - communication libraries for MS-Windows Sincerely, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 23:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with ansi Date: 7 Dec 1994 23:45:17 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3c5hed$pkk@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying out kermits new ansi support and am having a problem with it dropping characters, (the same ones each time) (usually spaces) I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it or if anyone knows if it will be corrected in the release version. Also, I am trying to get kermit to work with M. Dudley's Doorway program, thus far I have been able to redefine the keys so those work, the only problem i have now is the remote printing. Is there a way to get kermit to work with it? I know that kermit does work with the VT102 transparernt printing, im wondering if a) Kermit can be setup to work with the doorway method : ie ( ESC[r;nnnP ) where r is the Local LPT port (ie 0=LPT1, 1=LPT2, 2=LPT3) where nnn (or nn, or n) is the Length of (nnn must be between 1 and 255) where is the text to be printed If anyone has an answer or even a direction to look in please either reply or email me at: mike@panther.fiu.edu I would GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciate it!!!! :) Thanks mike@panther.fiu.edu Mike Langevin From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:40:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 10:40:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > > I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what... > > I am trying to use 3.14 Beta-14 with FTP Software PC/TCP 3.0 to connect > from my laptop to my Unix system. The laptop is a Toshiba 1950CS, with > a Xircom PCMCIA ethernet adapter. The Unix system is a DECsystem 5000/50, > running Ultrix 4.4. > > When I first start the system, I can reach the Ultrix system with all of > the normal PC/TCP utilities (ping, tn, rlogin, etc). I then start kermit, > and give it what I think are the minimum configuration commands to get it > working over TCP/IP: > > set tcp addr 193.72.200.10 > set tcp host 193.72.200.7 > con > > It connects, and everything seems just fine. But after I log out, and > terminate kermit, none of the PC/TCP utilities work any more! If I try > to ping the Unix system, I get "ARP failed", and nothing I have tried can > get this working again, short of rebooting the laptop. But if I start > kermit again, I can still connect to the Unix system! I'm really very > confused... -------------- The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still using all the TCP/IP material. If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:12:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 11 Dec 1994 13:12:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up my transfer. I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character unprefixing. Thank You From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:43:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:43:36 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 58 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1335 comp.protocols.ppp:7717 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Preface ------- I've read comp.protocols.kermit.misc, comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, and comp.protocols.ppp for months. I've read _Using MS-DOS Kermit: Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, 2nd Edition, by Christine M. Gianone. I've read README files. I've read "beware" files. I've read 'til I've felt like I never wanted to turn on my PC again. I've spoken to people who don't know what PPP is, but who, despite their ignorance, have installed it, "configured" it, and run Mosaic, Netscape, Trumpet, Eudora, POPMail, and numerous other TCP/IP applications for Microsoft Windows with it. I've been told, "I downloaded a file from [name of Internet service provider deleted] and typed `INSTALL' at the Run menu, then just started using it." ("It" is a program that reads mail and USENET news, allows you to connect to remote sites, provides a means of transferring files from remote archives, browses the World Wide Web, graphically and sonorously, tunnels through Gopher space, fingers other people, pings other places, and does the dishes.) I own a 20MHz, i80386SX PC with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive. I deleted Microsoft Windows 3.0 from my machine long ago. I've been present on the Internet for several years. I was Assistant Manager of the Internet SIG on DELPHI during its earliest days. My employer thinks I'm a computer programmer. I got good grades in school. Most of the time, I don't _feel_ stupid. I admire the teachings of Joe Doupnik and marvel at his prolific contributions to these news groups. I admit I've never understood anything he's written. I don't know why, but I want to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP connection instead of using Telemate 4.12 to dial up my UNIX shell account. I guess I just don't want to feel left out. Question -------- Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) connection? If so, how? Exactly. Acknowledgments --------------- Thank you all, in advance, for spending many hours of your valuable time helping to make my dream of a better life on the 'Net come true. --- Jim Monty Home: (602) 839-5421 monty@indirect.com Work: (602) 598-0183 jimmonty@delphi.com monty@aztec.asu.edu James_T_..Monty.andersen_wo@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 available Message-Id: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 19:33:19 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-15 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, 11 December 1994, 7:36pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-14 include: . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. . Fixed VT220/320 Protected Fields again . 132-column scroll vs SET TERM VIDEO BIOS bug fixed. . Correct handling of TELNET Data Mark (IAC DM). . Fixed problem with SET TRANSLATION KEY {ON, OFF}. . Kanji bug with SET TERM VIDEO BIOS fixed. . New mappings for special keys of the Japanese DOS/V Kanji 106 keyboard. . Changed ? help message for internal DIAL command. . \freplace(...) function added (see KERMIT.UPD) . SET TERM GRAPHICS VESA (800x600) added (ditto) . Graphics-screen dump to TIFF lost some color info - shades of gray, etc -- now fixed. As yet unresolved is a problem with apparent premature timeouts reading packets under DDK conditions (regular length packets, printable start of packet character, heavy echoing of what's sent, interspersal of cursor commands and packets, etc). Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:18:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Message-Id: <1994Dec11.211829.35179@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:18:29 MDT References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) writes: > I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make > my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard > using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, > but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up > my transfer. > > I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character > unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me > and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone > can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly > am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character > unprefixing. ---------------- It's a good question, and one asked (and answered) so frequently that we really do need an FAQ. Here are two suggestions. First, read more about it in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta docs, binary file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. Second, long packets, plus a few sliding windows slots, brings you very good performance. Be sure to use adequate flow control everywhere, preferrably hardware RTS/CTS on the PC+modem. Not all hosts or comms channels can take lots of bytes in a row so back off if things fail. For the utmost performance at high risk you may start unprefixing control codes via the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX command; use only at your own risk. Remember that the other end has to play along. It may well be that other end has neither long packet nor sliding windows capabilities. If so this is an excellent time to upgrade the most likely ancient C Kermit on the Sun to the modern C Kermit v5A(190). That has all the bells and whistles. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd c-kermit, explore, raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:23:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:23:11 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jt50@jambo.cc.columbia.edu (Jess Ting) writes: > > I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when > the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when > I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need > to quit Kermit and restart it. > > In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions > perfectly well after it is restarted. ---------- Mr. Gate's outfit needs to address that one. Windows fakes the real hardware to the DOS box, so Kermit sees what Windows wants it to see and Windows itself deals with the actual hardware. That's what these .386 VxD's are about (faking the machine, in lieu of a real kernel). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 04:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns1.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Date: 12 Dec 1994 04:51:44 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu's message of 9 Dec 1994 01:06:27 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed to initialize and/or self test. ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version of ARCETHER and command line did you use? -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | What part of "Congress shall make no law" eludes Congress? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 19:52:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is Kermit? Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:52:00 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3c53p0$1av@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> x93aroor@wmich.edu writes: > Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of >kermit for >1) MS-Dos >2) Windows >3) Vax/Vms The best source for Kermit files is the "official" source, kermit.columbia.edu. It permits anonymous ftp access and has copious README files to guide your journey through its many files and directories. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 09:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:04:30 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I noted an inconsistency (or bug?). The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: define TELNET - set flow none,- set port tcp \%1 \%2,- pause 0, if fail end 1,- if def \%3 set term type \%3,- if succ c and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet term-type". -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:08:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3chlh1$cl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do >with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I >noted an inconsistency (or bug?). ... the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > >set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet >term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). > Well, as the accompanying comment says, it's only a sample, which you should adjust for the host(s) you are actually using, e.g.: set telnet term-type vt220,- telnet myhost,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) Kermit sends its actual terminal type during TELNET negotiations UNLESS you have given a SET TELNET TERM command, which overrides the actual terminal type, but only for the purposes of telling the TELNET server what kind of terminal type you have. This is useful, for example, if Kermit's terminal type is VT320, but the host knows the same terminal by a different name, such as VT300, and does not recognize Kermit's terminal name. >When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- >expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- >the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > I checked this just now and it didn't happen to me. Probably you just continued the same session, and the terminal type was not renegotiated? >BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." >Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet >term-type". > You're right, we'll fix it. Thanks! - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:48:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3chnrk$gfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1343 comp.protocols.ppp:7728 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) >connection? If so, how? Exactly. > This question is asked a lot, and we don't yet have an answer. I hope you get a definitive response, because until now all attempts that I have heard about to do this have resulted in failure or hung PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:52:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:52:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3cho4b$guh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Hung Chau wrote: >I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make >my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. ... > Rather than repost the long tutorial on this subject (again), I have put it as the first entry in a new Frequently Asked Questions file: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 09:59:22 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? > I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they > only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, > and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. > The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. > > I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. > Here are my questions: > > 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC > and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out > the serial port to the host? Yes. INCOMING means flow control bytes to/incoming Kermit on the PC, OUTGOING means from/outgoing from the PC to the remote host, and XON/XOFF means in both directions. > 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during > terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? > And is it the same during TRANSMIT? Transport channels service all higher layers the same way. Recall that flow control is a datalink affair, not high level operation. > 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q > characters on to the host, without further processing? > This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. That's a host problem, yes? > 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? The host must stop sending, then the screen will have nothing new to display. > 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? > This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. See 4. > 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host > if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, > then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? > This is also the way a real VT-100 works. > In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the > host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? That's the essence of flow control. OUTGOING or XON/XOFF does exactly this. Kermit has a several hundred byte cushion, but modems and host buffers and other comms storage may exceed that. Kermit does not stop working when it sends and XOFF to the host, so overrun is a gradual effect. A real VT100 is much slower than MSK and has only a few bytes of cushion. > 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from > the host, then not send any data to the host until the host > sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user > type without Kermit losing any? > > 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is > just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. > What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host > as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending > when the host sends a ^Q? Again, basic flow control. The host is sending the XON/XOFF flow control bytes. Deduction: use SET FLOW INCOMING or XON/XOFF. > 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish > for having missed it. We don't offer a tutorial in basic datacomms so all these details are not explained in the user's manual. The actions are, but not the way you ask the questions. > 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled > in the source code? Serial comms are in file msxibm.asm. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 04:04:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec7.100450.34785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 10:04:50 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Mike Smith writes: > I've got a user who complains that he gets the error > > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports > > when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this > happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone > suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? > Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that > is important. ---------------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS is rational only for the hardware serial ports, COM1..4. If Windows messes up and Kermit can't verify the IRQ then Kermit uses the Bios pathway, and that's not hardware. I wish there were one piece of advice we could offer on using any serial comms program in Windows, but (aside from "please don't") there isn't. Windows provides ample facilities to fail, both by overdriving the lesser UART chips (8250 class) and by inadequate Windows serial drivers as well as not giving enough service time to the real serial hardware. I guess as close as we will come is if the port fails then slow down. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:46:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 6 Dec 1994 12:16:26 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous releases) running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup (HUP) signal. Thanks, Dave Pearse Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 06:05:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:35:31 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c0uvb$5di@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 08:49:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:19:21 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c3suh$75t@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 05:37:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:37:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cjbus$gmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au>, Mayne Nickless wrote: >We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous >releases) >running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using >the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray >network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for >any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have >traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup >(HUP) signal. > This is probably because most Unix systems automatically kill the shell when the HUP signal is received. Killing the shell kills all child processing (ie, kermit). Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 01:00:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 8 Dec 1994 01:00:18 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3c5lr2$1e7@news-2.csn.net> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: No, I didn't (blush) but: : Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as : either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and : modems"), The line is configured as such, and works for cu and for dialin. : Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about : this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), : or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: : "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), : etc. I don't have a .kermrc. Can you give me a hint what would cause DSR and CTS signals to be missing? I'll look for the bidirectional discussion. I have used this line bidirectionally, so that may be a good lead. What confuses me is that it *was* working (although VERY slowly) at one time, and then *something* changed and now it doesn't. I don't know what the *something* is, but the fact that it used to work would seem to indicate that it's not a version problem, or anything that hasn't changed in the meantime. I don't *think* it's the modem, because I've switched modems since then and it didn't change anything. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 22:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Divide Overflow Date: 7 Dec 1994 17:51:44 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 22:07:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:07:07 GMT Expires: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >using all the TCP/IP material. Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it works just fine. Thanks for the help. > If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >SET PORT BIOS1. This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. jw From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 14 00:12:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!hermes.oc.com!convex!not-for-mail From: hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:12:30 -0600 Organization: CONVEX News Network, Engineering (cnn.eng), Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.convex.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the > words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a > way to turn it off? > Thanks a lot. I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible to read. -- Wesley Hart "Optimism -- The belief that everything Software Product Engineer will work out well. Irrational; hart@bach.convex.com bordering on insane" Phone: (214)497-4501 -- The Armageddon Factor From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 07:57:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Date: 14 Dec 1994 02:57:46 -0500 Organization: Meemi Selfand Ink Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post (dated 5 Dec 1994): ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not be erased. -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 21:44:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!yale!CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU!STAMANDP From: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Paul St. Amand) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) log session file type? Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:44:02 GMT Organization: Central Connecticut State University, New Britian, CT Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3c5ab2$69o@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've noticed that when I "log session this.txt" under edit 190 that the file record format type under VMS has changed from These are the file attributes from 5A(189) OLD_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17226,34,0) Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control These are the file attributes from 5A(190) NEW_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17500,18,0) Record format: Stream, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control All the log files have a at the start of the lines and the stream record format causes and extra linefeed on the printed output. What changed the record format from stream_lf to Stream and why? Any easy way around this? Thanks, -Paul St. Amand +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Paul R. St. Amand | INTERNET stamandp@ccsu.ctstateu.edu ITT Hartford, Investment Div. | DECNET(ctstateu) CCSU::STAMANDP Central Connecticut State University | (203)843-4117 (Business) UPE Beta Chapter of Connecticut, CCSU| | Disclaimer: These comments are mine and do not reflect the administration From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:46:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:01 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Script question X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:46:14 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... do until input = string Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 15:45:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!coastal.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 10 Dec 1994 15:45:18 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coastal.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1358 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9529 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into a problem with both programs wanting complete control of the port. Is there a way to get either program to share the port? Ideally, I would get slip to look like an external protocol, but at this point I'd be happy with kermit acting as a slip dialer. Thanks! --kyler From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 03:01:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: <1994Dec10.090145.35091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 09:01:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1359 comp.protocols.ppp:7770 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) > connection? If so, how? Exactly. ----------- The indications are that "etherppp" provides an Ethernet Packet Driver interface to applications. I phrase this as indications because I've never been able to get etherppp to avoid hanging my PC as it installs itself in memory. If you get it to install cleanly then treat it as an Ethernet (which kind???, hopefully DIX/Ethernet_II/regular) Packet Driver. By default Kermit will look for a Packet Driver when its internal TCP/IP stack begins. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:14:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 10 Dec 1994 16:14:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cck4j$cbs@sundog.tiac.net> References: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is >equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Great. This may be just what I need. I'll try binding it to the appropriate key. >> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit >> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. >> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used >> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. >> The Unix machine was set for no flow control. >> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, >> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started >> appearing in the window on my Unix machine. >> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. >> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until >> it received a ^Q? > I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. >Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the >Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something >to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking >through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). I'll try this and report back if there is a problem. I have a tester on the serial line so I can tell if a character got sent out the serial port or not. Thanks for the details, Joe! --Mike Ciaraldi (now an even-more-satisfied Kermit user) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 10:06:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.hana.nm.kr!sun330.snu.ac.kr!usenet From: u3311007@power3.snu.ac.kr () Subject: Binary Transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Sender: usenet@sun330.snu.ac.kr (NEWS POSTER) Nntp-Posting-Host: 147.46.10.27 Organization: SNU,KOREA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:06:56 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I'm using C-Kermit 5A. But there some problem in transfering binary files. When I transfer binary file from another internet site, the size of the file becomes larger! even if I set the parameters right. > set file type binary I don't know the version of the remote kermit. please tell me what is the problem. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 21:02:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!josv From: jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) Subject: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: Sender: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Reply-To: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Organization: X/OS Experts in Open Systems, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 21:02:19 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this feature? -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems | Telephone: +31 20 6420481 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Facsimile: +31 20 6145474 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:36:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Transfer Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3cmvtu$agt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr>, wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A. >But there some problem in transfering binary files. >When I transfer binary file from another internet site, >the size of the file becomes larger! >even if I set the parameters right. > >> set file type binary > >I don't know the version of the remote kermit. > >please tell me what is the problem. > It is hard to say without knowing which software is on the other end. The general rule for modern Kermit software is: give the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY to the file sender and it will automatically tell the file receiver that the transfer mode is binary. But since you do not know which software is on the other end, it is possible that this software does not support the transfer-mode notification feature. Therefore, when in doubt, tell BOTH Kermit programs to SET FILE TYPE BINARY. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:39:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script question Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cn02p$akt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Archimedes L. Trajano wrote: >I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... > >do > >until input = string > It is relatively easy to "compile" constructions like this "by hand". :LOOP INPUT IF FAIL GOTO LOOP - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cn099$avf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1365 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9590 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Kyler Laird wrote: >I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and >the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. >The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call >ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I >execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into >a problem with both programs wanting complete control >of the port. > This will be possible in version 5A(191) of OS/2 C-Kermit, which should be available for testing fairly soon. Version 5A(191) is expected to contain only OS/2-specific enhancements, and therefore will probably be released only for OS/2. Watch this newsgroup for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:46:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:46:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3cn0fo$b62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jos Vos wrote: >One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator >which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature >of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) >support this feature? > MS-DOS Kermit, which is also the only Kermit program that we recommend or support for Windows, does support this feature. You should try MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, since version 3.14 supports it better than did previous releases, by addition of \Kverbs (\KudkF6..F20) specifically for the UDKs, which you can assign to the keys or key-combos of your choice. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME file to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:53:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:53:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3cn0te$bpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, Wesley Hart wrote: >In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? > >I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >to read. > If your newsreader is like mine, it displays the subject not as "highlighted" text, but rather as "underlined" text. But color PC video adapters do not support an underlined attribute, so MS-DOS Kermit displays underlined text in a distinct fore/background color combination. In version 3.13, it chose these colors automatically, based on the regular fore/background colors. In version 3.14 (still in Beta), we have a new command, SET TERMINAL UNDERSCORE, to let you choose the underscore-simulation colors yourself. The syntax is the same as with SET TERMINAL COLOR. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:04:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Message-Id: <1994Dec14.090409.35416@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:04:08 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. > I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post > (dated 5 Dec 1994): > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" > ---snip--- > > As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt > towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are > erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not > be erased. ------------ That's odd, because this sequence works properly here using Beta-15. The screen shows only the words "background" after erasure. Maybe you should turn on debugging (SET DEBUG ON) to see what the host is actually sending. Or make a short test file and REPLAY it locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:13:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec14.091300.35417@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:13:00 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) writes: > > Hello Joe: > > Another window-ish question: > > Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually > Novells. > > We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which > can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). > > Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions > when using Winsock? -------------- I'd like to say "there's only one" but that would not be entirely fair. While at DOS level outside of Windows (not the DOS box) load Novell's TELAPI after starting their TCP/IP stack. MS-DOS Kermit can use that while in Windows, via SET PORT BIOSn, or SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), or SET PORT NOVELL(NASI), or with a simple assistance of macro "telapi" such as def telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov (run as Kermit command telapi host.domain). I think I need to remind readers that many "winsock" interfaces are but a thin layer which reaches down to a TCP/IP stack loaded as a DOS TSR. Not all, but many. So the attraction is more glitter (memory hogging, more software to pass through for every byte) than one might suspect. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Date: 14 Dec 94 19:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: set duplex f set duplex f set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. Thanks again, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:27:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!inibara.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@inibara.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 19:27:43 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: inibara-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm a big fan of Joe and Frank's work with MS-Kermit. However, I am typing this using Commo 6.0, because its screen updating speed is magnitudes better than MS-Kermit 3.14 on my puny XT clone. (I'm on a 14.4k dialup connection to Columbia U.) Previously I've written on how Telix's screen updating is better than Kermit's as well, but Commo blows them both out of the water! I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? And yes, I have SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING DIRECT (the default) on--it's pretty painful if set to BIOS. Pleaes note this is not a complaint in any way--Kermit's rock-solid emulation and other features is a big, big plus. Consider it more of a wish for the future. Thanks! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 19:23:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:35:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:34:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:23:01 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I reported this problem earlier, but got no replies. I'm running ... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, And have a macro to send a file like this... send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a There are some other commands in the macro besides this, but the file pointed to by the logical SENDFILE_LOCAL is about 700 blocks and this send is exiting in a split second and saying that it worked fine! I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit anything?? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:22:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 14 Dec 1994 21:22:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3cnnnf$14d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works >fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say >it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit >anything?? Sounds like a possible bug. I would need more info, such as a DEBUG LOG file to be able to see what is happening. Create two log files: 1) done manually. 2) done with the macro and send them to me or kermit@columbia.edu for examination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:42:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!blue!cs932070 From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: disable dial display X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 04:42:36 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I remove the dial progress dialog in C-Kermit? SET DIAL DISPLAY OFF removes the modem responses, but I want it so that nothing appears on the screen when I dial. Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:38:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec10.223845.35130@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 22:38:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) writes: > One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator > which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature > of VT220 terminals. > > Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this > feature? --------------- For a rather complete list of features and their explainations may I direct you to the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." In there you will find that MS-DOS Kermit has supported DEC UDK's for years. Full details of the book ident are given on screen two of the Kermit HELP command. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program which runs fine also in DOS boxes of Windows, NT and OS/2. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:30:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!not-for-mail From: itspaul@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Paul Velardo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 14 Dec 1994 15:30:18 -0600 Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unix1.sncc.lsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. We have tried the SET KEY option with many different designations and nothing seems to work properly. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks, PAUL From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 00:52:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 00:52:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. >Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? > I'll have to take your word that Commo updates your screen faster than Kermit does, but on my own PC (on which I usually run MS-DOS Kermit under plain DOS over an Ethernet connection), it's hard to imagine how the screen updates could possibly be any faster. If I (for example) refresh the EMACS screen that I'm in right now by typing Ctrl-L, the entire screen is painted instantaneously). So I would say that the screen-updating method is not a bottleneck. On slow PCs, the CPU is a likely bottleneck. In that case, you are looking at tradeoffs. Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to bet) than Commo's emulator. A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal compared to ANSI or VT100. Also, I wonder if Commo runs in an MS-Windows window? Kermit does, and must take additional steps in order to do so. Back in the old days, when XTs were current, MS-DOS Kermit was a lot smaller and did less. Like PCs and all the other software that runs on them, it has grown with the times. But at least it still runs on XTs, which is something you probably can't say about most other popular PC software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:02:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:02:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co4if$j88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>, Paul Velardo wrote: >We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator... > You mean VT220? >to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. >We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete >key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. > The Delete key sends the Delete character (\127) unless you tell it otherwise. The other common choice is Backspace (\8). If neither of these work for you, then you are probably facing a host or application that wants something else. Kermit does not know what your application wants -- it is up to you to make them agree. The trick is to either: (a) Find out what the application wants and then use SET KEY to assign the desired sequence to the desired key, or: (b) Reconfigure the application to accept a different character as a destructive backspace. Some applications actually want you to send the following sequence in order to do a destructive backspace: \8\32\8 - try that. Or try the arrow-key equivalent, \27OD\32\27OD, or \27[D\32\27[D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:32:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!namaste.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:32:53 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3co6c5$lis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: namaste-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: |Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to |bet) than Commo's emulator. No disagreements here, though Commo's VT102 emulation is better than most. |A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal |compared to ANSI or VT100. I've tried SET TERM VT102, but it doesn't seem any faster than in VT320 mode . . . -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 23:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:00:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 02:57:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 02:57:35 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> >>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>> way to turn it off? >>> Thanks a lot. >> >> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >> to read. >--------- > So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >prefer. Did I miss a point here? > Joe D. Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:27:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:27:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3cpjo4$jq4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu > >P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I >also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. No, of course, it isn't supposed to happen. But you are the first person whom I am hearing it from. I am running 190 on WARP without problems. What are you doing when you type Ctrl-C? And contact me off line about this because newsfeeds are just too slow. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:50:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:50:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cpl3r$l74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu>, Eeyore wrote: >In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >>> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >>>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>>> way to turn it off? >>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >>> to read. >>So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >>prefer. Did I miss a point here? > > Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL > COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. > This kind of confusion comes up because of the delays inherent in news. This question was already asked and answered, but you evidently did not see the answer before posting the question, but by now you probably have seen the answer, so I don't think I need to post it again. Please wait a couple days and if you still haven't seen it, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: naive script writing question Message-Id: <1994Dec15.140011.35538@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:00:10 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: > > def portal - > set flow rts/cts - > d {portal} - > if fail end 1 - > c - > pause 2 - > out \15 - > etc. > > However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. > > How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? ---------- Commas denote "end of line" in macros. It's in the fine manual, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:10:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.141031.35539@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:10:30 MDT References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu><1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 98 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >>>>>> "b" == bruce writes: > > b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu > b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: > b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're > b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to > b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, > > Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the > main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with > terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this > works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the > 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing > kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) > does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to > put a status line. Oh yes it does. See below for the DEC way of handling this. > Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased > or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the Huh? The status line does not scroll, as noted. Maybe your termcap/ terminfo structures need a little spiffing up. > screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status > line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice > to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If > there's a way there's a will (mine). > > b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to > b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get > b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. > > Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates > vt420? > > Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be > thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly > for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what > functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series > terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a > reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). -------------- Some reading material for you, as two excerpts. From MS-DOS Kermit documentation file MSVIBM.VT - CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Other extensions: CSI 25; Pc f VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. CSI 25; Pc H VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. Leave the same way as you went in. (These will disable Kermit's own status line.) ------------ From the top of file MS-DOS Kermit source code file MSZIBM.ASM - ; References: ; "PT200 Programmers Reference Guide", 1984, Prime Computer # DOC 8621-001P ; "Video Terminal Model H19, Operation", 1979, Heath Company # 595-2284-05 ; "VT100 User's Guide", 2nd ed., Jan 1979, DEC # EK-VT100-UG ; "Rainbow 100+/100B Terminal Emulation Manual", June 1984, DEC # QV069-GZ ; "Installing and Using The VT320 Video Terminal", June 1987, ; DEC # EK-VT320-UU-001 ; "VT320 Programmer Reference Manual", July 1987, DEC # EK-VT320-RM-001 ; "VT330/340 Programmer Ref Manual", 2nd ed, May 1988, ; Vol 1: Text programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-TP-002 ; Vol 2: Graphics programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-GP-002 ; "Programming the Display Terminal: Models D217, D413, and D463", Data ; General Corp, 014-00211-00, 1991. ; "Installing and Operating Your D216E+, D217, D413, and D463 Display ; Terminals", Data General Corp, 014-002057-01, 1991. ; "Dasher D470C Color Display Terminal, Programmer's Reference Manual", ; Data General Corp, 014-001015, 1984. ; "WY-50 Display Terminal Quick-Reference Guide", Wyse Technology, ; Wyse No. 88-021-01, 1983. ---------------------------------- I don't have a VT420, nor the documentation on it ($$$); it takes both to emulate successfully. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:07:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:07:59 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com In-Reply-To: bruce@ais.com's message of 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "b" == bruce writes: b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to put a status line. Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If there's a way there's a will (mine). b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates vt420? Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Displaying accented characters Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:26:23 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 21:36:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17213 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!commando!rja From: rja@sispro.sis.rpslmc.edu (Roger J. Allen) Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.213618.15190@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: siss81.rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:36:18 GMT Lines: 106 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kendall thomason shaw (kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com) wrote: : Hello, : I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to : have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 : screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 : screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi : will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they : write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with : the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status : line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with : termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd : be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: : de|vt320|vt320-am|dec vt320:\ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ I use a different term type for Kermit and VT320 since kermit is just an emulation. I did not want to break the real vt320. : :co#80:li#50:\ ^^ Try 49 here. : :le=^H:\ : :am:bs:\ : :ke=\E[?1l\E>:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\ : :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:kd=\EOB:ku=\EOA:\ : :kb=^H:\ : :ho=\E[H:\ : :k4=\EOS:k3=\EOR:k2=\EOQ:k1=\EOP:\ Do you use the vt300.ini script? You can define LOTS of function keys that way. : :xn:vt#3:pt:\ : :sc=\E7:\ : :rc=\E8:\ : :im=\E[4h:\ : :ei=\E[4l:\ : :mi:\ : :dc=\E[P:\ : :ed=:dm=:\ : :al=\E[L:\ : :dl=\E[M:\ : :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\ : :sf=\ED:\ : :sr=\EM:\ : :ce=\E[K:\ : :cl=\E[H\E[J:\ : :cd=\E[J:\ : :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ : :nd=\E[C:\ : :up=\E[A:\ : :so=\E[7m:\ : :se=\E[27m:\ : :us=\E[4m:\ : :ue=\E[24m:\ : :md=\E[1m:\ : :mr=\E[7m:\ : :mb=\E[5m:\ : :me=\E[m:\ : :is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\ ^^ ^^ try a scrolling region of 49 here. : :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:\ : :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$:\ : :fs=\E[0$}:\ : :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[k:\ : :hs:es:\ : :do=^J: Here is what I have for the mode line stuff: :hs:ts=\E7\E[50;1H:fs=\E[K\E[H\E8: This lets "statline" and other apps access the mode line, display text, erase to end of line, and go back to where it came from. I did not use "es" because I seem to remember that it did not like some escape sequences (or maybe it was tabs) in the mode line, but I might have just copied a different termcap entry and did not test if "es" would work. I also left out the "ds". I don't remember if I did not need a "ds" or if I was not able to find a way to disable the status line. There are probably lots of other ways to do this. For instance, you can change the color if that suits you. -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 : -- : Kendall Shaw "!" : (415)364-asdf : kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:31:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: naive script writing question Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:31:36 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: def portal - set flow rts/cts - d {portal} - if fail end 1 - c - pause 2 - out \15 - etc. However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:24:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Message-Id: <1994Dec15.142434.35541@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:24:34 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented > characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions > standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set > transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I > still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, > but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. --------------- Ah yes. The writer is using a different display character set than you are, and the transmission software had not a clue about how to deal with character sets. At the risk of preaching to the choir, Kermits know how to deal with this cleanly and effectively, for terminal emulation and file transfer. You did not indicate which platform you were using to read the traffic so advice is a little limited here. May I suggest trying MSK on a DOS machine, and change your DOS Code Page to match the other end (try CP850 first, versus the default CP437). The finer points of character sets and Kermits are explained at length in the user's manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit." Worth reading more about it, as we keep saying to people. Btw, the terms "standard-european-display" and "iso-accent-mode" are extremely vague when referring to character sets. Please read our manuals to obtain a firmer grip than Emacs can exert. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 02:16:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!tali.hsc.colorado.edu!boulder!csnews!alumni.cs.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: reverse video and c-kermit Date: 16 Dec 1994 02:16:07 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cqt97$32i@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.cs.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i connect to the net by dial-up connection to a bsd machine, through c-kermit 5A(190). occasionally, i need to telnet to an SGI machine running irix4 (i believe), and running as its newsreader nn. when i do so, if i invoke the news reader, i am thrown into reverse video on my home machine. is there any way, while in c-kermit, to issue a command that will return me to reverse video, while still in nn remotely? or is is a problem to be dealt with in the underlying machine softare, rather than thorugh c-kermit? -- -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:42:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:42:22 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ryan J. Maley wrote: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? I had this problem and I upgraded to the latest versions and it went away. I don't use the define/user sys$input sys$command and it works fine. I don't have the versions with me at this moment but if you mail me I'll send them to you tomorrow. I'm running on a VAX 3100 and an Alpha AXP. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:44:54 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com>, James Sturdevant wrote: >Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: > >: ... >: And have a macro to send a file like this... > >: send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a > >Try this: > asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) > send \%f \%a > >There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable >names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) > Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not the problem anyway. Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just "read") open. If it's closed send works fine. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 15:59:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:59:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3csdh4$ge5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: > >Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented >characters (irish)... > You do? I though LISTSERV was strictly 7-bit. Maybe you have a mail agent that encodes and decodes 8-bit characters? >...and I see in emacs there are functions >standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set >transfer character-set latin1... > That's for file transfer, not terminal emulation. Please read the manual (info below). >...but this does not change anything, I >still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, >but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. > In MS-DOS Kermit (3.00 or later): SET PARITY NONE SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET NONE In EMACS 19.xx (not 18.xx or earlier): (require 'disp-table) (standard-display-8bit 160 255) (load "iso-syntax") (load "iso-insert") (set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) (nth 1 (current-input-mode)) 0) This assumes that the message really contains Latin-1 characters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 12:11:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC Initiation Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:11:11 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? Thanks |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 02:37:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Message-Id: <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 08:37:11 MDT References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: > In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? >> Thanks a lot. > > I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like > kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible > to read. --------- So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you prefer. Did I miss a point here? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 23:42:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: kermit on a apple][+ Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:42:58 GMT Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu anyone use kermit on an apple][+? I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:55:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: send-init packet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:55:09 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 13:48:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Dec 94 19:48:52 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hi: > > We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX > system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. > I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking > honors. > > The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from > Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF > distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize > it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what > "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they > return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer > seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response > to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the > connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON > looking for clues, but no luck. > > The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. > Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise > Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs > say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time > is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent > luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other > apps. anyhow. > > When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine > even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. > > Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, > etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. > Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group > would be most welcome. -------------- Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the connection was just fine. A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 14:59:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:59:16 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking honors. The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON looking for clues, but no luck. The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other apps. anyhow. When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group would be most welcome. Thanks in advance & Happy Holidays! Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 04:08:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec14.100818.35424@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 10:08:17 MDT References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >>using all the TCP/IP material. > > Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read > about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously > not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what > it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit > and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to > think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just > shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, > I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting > kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it > works just fine. Thanks for the help. > >> If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >>SET PORT BIOS1. > > This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first > tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the > command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change > the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but > it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: > > tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect > > This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately > says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the > commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit > myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By > the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the > difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was > written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. --------------- Works here, but without the "-i" option. That option is supposed to keep the Telnet session open until the external terminal emulator loads (which makes sense, but why would we need a option for something as necessary as this?), and sends an Int 14h init command. If I include the -i option then the connection is closed by the time the terminal emulation screen comes up, else it stays open. Go figure. The same thing happens with MSK 3.13. Please follow directions from the vendor of the product you are using. For Tnglass follow those of FTP Software Inc for tnglass options of the version you have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 20:53:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:27:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MAC Kermit? Date: 16 Dec 1994 20:53:40 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? Where is the latest version located, and old is it? Thanks Chuck -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer Home: (419) 362-1716 CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 17:51:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!frank From: frank@pauling.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Date: 14 Dec 1994 17:51:16 GMT Organization: Wadsworth Center, NY Health Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: sirius.wadsworth.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Frank -- _________________________________________________________________________ Frank Hsia __. Sr. Computer Programmer/Analyst phone: (518) 473-0773 __/ | Wadsworth Center, Room D-420 fax: (518) 474-8590 /___ *| New York State Dept of Health frank@wadsworth.ph.albany.edu \_| _ P.O. Box 509 Frank.Hsia@wadsworth.org ~~ Albany, New York 12201-0509 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 08:34:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:34:31 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94348.133431HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) says: >Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. >Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for >my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. >Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there >a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Try using DOS and MS-Kermit as shown in the following .BAT file to to convert the DOS capture file capfile.vt to capfile.txt: @Echo off REM Filename: FIXVT.BAT REM Purpose: DOS Batch code to remove escape sequences from VTxxx capture REM files using MS-Kermit as the working tool. REM By: Skip Knoble, Penn State Center for Academic Computing REM Input file: capfile.vt REM Output file: capfile.txt REM Platform: any PC and DOS that will run MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14 REM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- REM The character string, Esc OpenBracket ? 5 i when prepended to REM the VTxxx capture file is the code to "turn on" the PC Printer. REM Usage Note: REM You must replace the phrase "ESC OpenBracket " in the next echo REM statement with two contiguous characters: ASCII 27 ASCII 91 REM before running this .BAT REM file on your PC. This is only to REM allow this DOS algorithm to appear as NON-DOS printable prose. REM (With DOS 5.x 6.x "ESC" can be entered via DOS EDIT by pressing: REM Ctrl-P,Ctrl-OpenBracket. Before DOS 5.0 occurrences of "echo." can be REM replaced by "echo LineFeed" where LineFeed is the ASCII 10 character.) echo ESC OpenBracket ?5i > temp.txt copy temp.txt /b + capfile.vt /b > nul REM Append some linefeeds to the end to set up a message to end user. echo. >> temp.txt Echo ------- Text from CAPFILE.VT appears above this line ------- >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * 1 2 3 4 5 ) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Append that message and LF's to roll rest of replayed session off screen. echo Please press Alt-X now to return to DOS >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Invoke Kermit to convert the file temp.txt to capfile.txt REM Setting port BIOSn will allow MS-Kermit to do its thing, even while REM something else (e.g., SLIP driver)may be using COMn, without disturbing REM this COM port session. kermit -f nul, set port bios1, set print capfile.txt, replay temp.txt erase temp.txt if exist capfile.txt Echo Output file is capfile.txt. REM ---End FIXVT.BAT --- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:25:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 17 Dec 1994 13:25:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cuos6$bkp@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hung Chau (hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character : unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me : and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone : can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly : am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character : unprefixing. : Thank You Thank you to all those who send reply to me. There was simply too many people for me to write personal thank you note to. I was very surprised and well pleased that there were so many nice and wonderful people who went out of their way to help me. Again thank you very much everyone for you time and especially Frank da Cruz for "inventing" Kermit and Joe R. Doupnik for making MS-Kermit absolutely the best communication package in the PC world bar none. Hung Chau From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Could Ckermit(OS2) share(or release) com port to other program? Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:00:51 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to view 8-bit Chinese Characters in a DOS Chinese system, so I hope that I can switch to DOS com program when I want to see Chinese characters. But when ckermit active, I can not open other com program and when I close ckermit it will hang-up modem. Any suggestion? Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:31:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:31:35 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:23:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec12.072307.35190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:23:07 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > > ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't > initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version > of ARCETHER and command line did you use? --------------- As Russ indicates, Kermit does not understand Arcnet per se. Thus either run over an Arcnet to Ethernet Packet Driver, ARCETHER, or use ODI. Since NetWare is involved you are probably better advised to use ODI these days (and the VLMs etc of current shell technology). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:35:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Message-Id: <1994Dec12.073551.35191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:35:51 MDT References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do > with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I > noted an inconsistency (or bug?). > > The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: > > define TELNET - > set flow none,- > set port tcp \%1 \%2,- > pause 0, if fail end 1,- > if def \%3 set term type \%3,- > if succ c > > and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > > set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet > term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the > myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- > the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote > TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > > BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet > term-type". ----------- It's not your fault, it's ours. In reality the MSK command SET PORT TCP/IP acquires just two arguments: host and port number. It doesn't look for a terminal type. The way to use a different terminal type is SET TERMINAL TYPE kind or just SET TERMINAL kind. This will pass along to the host, upon request, the same terminal type spelling we see in commands. Here is the canned list, lifted from the code: "UNKNOWN","H-19","VT52","VT100","VT102","VT220","VT320", "TEK4014","VIP7809","PT200","D463","D470","wyse50","ANSI" As you point out, the program uses SET TCP/IP TERM-TYPE ident as the way to tell the host a different identication string than the default method. The docs will be modified to be clear and correct on both items. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 18:53:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:53:51 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ken.crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: snowbird.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Joe: Another window-ish question: Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually Novells. We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions when using Winsock? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 20:08:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Date: 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >> Hello, >> I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to >> have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 >> screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 >> screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi >> will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they >> write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with >> the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status >> line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with >> termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd >> be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: > ------------ > The last line, status, is an integral part of VT terminals. There > is no way of making that part of the regular screen. > Joe D. This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, although some implementations (eg, DECterm, a VT320-level implementation on DEC workstations) allow you to select the status line or not, and also allow you to set the size of the main screen (up to perhaps 72x132 or so being reasonable if you have a 1280x1024 screen), which gives you much the same capability that's being asked for here. However if the host software requests a status line, the DECterm will helpfully create it for you (keeping your main window the same size but possibly making the entire window too big to quite fit on the screen if you've made it big). The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to combine the status line with the main screen so that you get true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. It also allows you to set the terminal in 36 or 48-line modes, but I think those include a separate status line. I don't know offhand what the VT420 does with the "Select Status Line" commands if it's in 25x80 mode; the terminal I've usually experimented with for such questions is on the other side of town, and the documentation around here is vague on the subject. The subject of compatibility with VT-series status lines is rather subtle. I have yet to see any terminal emulator, commercial or otherwise (including Kermit and even DEC's Pathworks terminal emulator, I might add) that quite gets it all right. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:56:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:56:54 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not >the problem anyway. Oops! :) I spoke too quickly. I misread the "asg" and thought we were talking about an "askq"! My apologies. I most certainly could do that in batch mode. But the below is still truth... > >Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" >gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just >"read") open. If it's closed send works fine. > -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 21:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 17 Dec 1994 21:21:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > >If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. > >Ching-Mo The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:37:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!! How to set DTR ignore in kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:37:54 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3chqoi$7nm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connection to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore the DTR when exit (no hang up). I can dial-out no problem, but if I exit kermit, the modem will hang up. It is not what I want. Can anyone tell me how to set Kermit DTR ignore? Thank you for help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:27:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:27:12 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:32:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: <1994Dec17.083207.8056@eisner> Date: 17 Dec 94 08:32:07 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is a known problem with that release. Upgrade to 5A(190) from: watsun.cc.columbia.edu scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 16:51:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 16:51:08 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a way to turn it off? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 16:50:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!blaze.trentu.ca!ccksb From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) Subject: MSK3.13 & MS TCP/IP-32 ? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.165031.273@blaze.trentu.ca> Organization: Trent University, Ontario Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 16:50:31 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A preliminary inquiry... Can MS Kermit 3.13 run from MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a window when MS TCP/IP-32 is also selected as a protocol? I'd be wanting to use IPXODI (an I gather ODIPKT together with WINPKT). I see from the docs that MSK will run in a window over odi when odipkt and winpkt are run on top...but with only one physical board it looks like MS TCP/IP-32 and MSK's internal TCP stack equate to two tcp's, which is a no-no. Comments, suggestions and pointers welcomed. Thank you. -- Ken Brown internet: kbrown@trentu.ca Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 13:24:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > In article , > Ching Mo Chang wrote: >>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? >> >>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). >> >>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. >> >>Ching-Mo > > The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must > the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port > directly. ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 22:32:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!tooner!ncostes From: ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I ftp mskermit? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:20:42 Organization: Clemson University/ECE Department Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tooner.eng.clemson.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll do big blocks. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 13:59:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:59:51 GMT Lines: 81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: >> Hi: >> >> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX >> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. >> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking >> honors. >> >> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from >> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF >> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize >> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what >> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they >> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer >> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response >> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the >> connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON >> looking for clues, but no luck. >> >> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. >> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise >> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs >> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time >> is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent >> luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other >> apps. anyhow. >> >> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine >> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. >> >> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, >> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. >> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group >> would be most welcome. >-------------- > Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 >beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current >Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK >to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. >After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the >connection was just fine. > A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's >shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in >Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes >and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after >you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. >If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. > Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong >to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it >wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with >serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the >competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. > The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using >winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from >netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix >tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). > Joe D. Hi Joe: Many thanks for your quick & thorough reply(ies) to my question(s). I'm posting this in the hopes that it may be of interest to others. I have not tried your 2-argument packet driver yet (I will this morning). I'll report back on the results. Meanwhile, I had a chance to repeat the experiment.....running Kermit under MS-Windows, but using Lan WorkPlace's TELAPI in lieu of the 3c5x9pd/winpkt combination. I started it on Saturday afternoon and minimized it along with a bunch of other Windows tasks. When I came in, I remaximized it and it was still logged into the UNIX system fine. So to me, this suggests that you are on target about the packet driver or thereabouts. Once again, thanks! M. Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 15:27:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I ftp mskermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.212722.35703@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 21:27:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) writes: > Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does > mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found > for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no > problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows > use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll > do big blocks. -------------- You've come to the right place. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu for all Columbia Kermits. The release level MSK is v3.13 and it's in both kermit/bin (binary archive msvibm.zip) and the full sources + docs in kermit/a. Beta-15 of MSK v3.14 (pretty solid and almost ready for release) is in kermit/test/bin, archive file mstibm.zip. MS-DOS Kermit does it all, and usually a good deal better than the non-Columbia editions. Long packets? Of course, 9KB, and up to 32 window slots of them if you have the memory (though that's really gross overkill). Sliding Windows? Definitely, 32 slots, not a mere 2 or 4. Unprefix control codes IF your link tolerates it and you are willing to risk it? You bet. Time to go raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 16:01:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:01:43 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 26 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a comprehensive set of macros written by our own Systems group, and it works quite well. The Mac version, however, is a different story. I had (189) running long enough to set up and test some basic log-in macros, but now suddenly I can no longer get either (189) or (190) to run (keeps crashing in an area that Macsbug identifies as "mberto+xxxx", where xxxx is some fairly large hex number). Thinking that maybe this problem is local to my machine, I have given a number of people copies of (190), but now they are reporting that it crashes on their machine also. Lots of PowerMac crashes, but I'm on a Quadra 660AV running System 7.1. Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare notes with somebody before I file a formal bug report. Or is there some known problems running Mac Kermit under System 7.1 and later? Thanks. Mark Nutter Tech Support at Indiana Univ. of PA manutter@grove.iup.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 14:26:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Date: 19 Dec 1994 14:26:03 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Brian Degregorio ***************************************************************************** ** Brian Degregorio ** ** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** ** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** ** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** ** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** Captain Penny's Law: You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. ***************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 18:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!turing.acs.ryerson.ca!bhillick From: bhillick@acs.ryerson.ca (Bernard Hillick - MHNG/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Dec 1994 18:27:11 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3d4j9v$1lvk@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: turing.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:15:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: termcap kermit and vt320 Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:15:04 GMT Organization: Snausages Ltd. Lines: 101 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm going to post this to comp.terminals for maximum annoyance potential: Hello, Here I am trying to figure out how to write my termcap entry and my terminal setup stuff for msdos kermit which I use to dial in to my SunOS 4.1.3 shell account. I have a few questions. First, I'm not sure that I am clear about how the dialogue takes place between kermit's vt320 emulation, and my shell. My using msdos kermit book describes terminal character sets: C0 being 7 bit "ASCII" control characters, e.g. ^N, ^O, ^J etc. C1 being 8 bit ISO-6249 control characters, e.g. \E[, \EH, etc. G0 being a 94 character character set G1 being a 94 (or 96?) character character set G2 being a 94 or 96 character character set G3 " And then there's GL and GR (Graphics Left and Right) GL holds the selected character set for C0 from G0-3 GR holds the selected character set for C1 from G0-3 Actually it says GL indicates which set to use if a 7 bit graphic character arrives, and GR for an 8 bit character. A DECSCL (ESC[ Pl;Pc"p, or CSI Pl;Pc"p) can select the use of 8 or 7 bit controls. Single shifts SS2 and SS3 (or ESC N and ESC O) shift a character set into GL from G2 and G3 respectively for the following character. Locking shifts ESC n and ESC o do the same until disabled. Locking shifts ^N and ^O do the same from G1 and G0. And locking shifts right 3, 2, and 1 (ESC |, ESC }, and ESC ~) modify GR. SCS (various sequences) can be used to designate an identifed character set to a umm character set e.g. ISO Latin-1 into G2. The character set identifiers listed include those for various languages, and some line drawing sets. And kermit has a command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT which displays all 8 bit characters. And then in my termcap manual there is a parameter ac in which to specify pairs of characters to translate for line drawing. I assume this is the same as for the terminfo parameter acsc, where various "glyphs" are defined. So for example an upper left hand corner box character is refered to by the letter l, so you put l with your tranlation immediately after, all in a row. There are also enacs and smacs (eA and 'as' in termcap), for "enabling" and "starting" an alternate character set. First of all, I am not sure what symbols the following glyphs refer to: lantern symbol board of squares scan line 1, scan line 9, and horizontal line (top bottom and middle?) Then, I'm confused. If I dial in with an 8 bit line, I can stick to 8 bit controls (as far as what I put in my termcap)? Can I put 8 bit control sequences into my termcap files? And in the alternate character set capabilites am I to put literally the graphic character from the appropriate character set in the string? Ascii 4 is a diamond shaped character (7 bits), where as the solid box character is 219 (8 bits) in code page 850 and others. If there's only one capability string for enabling an alternate character set does this mean that I can only choose wether I want bullets and diamonds, or line drawing characters? Also, the strings I put in the termcap are to tell the host what strings to send, or are they what strings to expect? I guess they have to be what to send, but does that mean that I can't send an escape sequence, or is my typing an escape sequence only a dialogue between my keyboard and my terminal emulator? I don't have clear categories in my head. And last, there's a capability string al1 (al in termcap), to add a line below the current line, with scrolling. I don't see this in the kermit manual if it is something other than CR. Does anyone know differently? thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:23:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:23:42 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on it's saved settings file. :^( -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:53:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:53:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3d52u4$he3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men wrote: >I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 >computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). >In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My >modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). >CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. > &D0 should indeed make the modem ignore DTR. Maybe you also have to make the modem ignore other signals too. Maybe the line is "bidirectional", in which case some kind of getty or init or login process takes it over when Kermit closes it, and maybe this other process is hanging it up? You can, by the way, suspend C-Kermit rather than exiting from it. This will leave the connection open for other processes to use, as long as they aren't bothered by C-Kermit's lockfile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: send-init packet Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:58:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d536d$hs6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special >sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term >program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have >to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. > If you look at the Kermit protocol specification, you can see that the initial Kermit packet can contain almost any sequence of characters. There is no way a terminal emulator can be expected to recognize a Kermit packet. You could say that Kermit packets start with Ctrl-A, but (a) they do not necessarily start with Ctrl-A, and (b) Ctrl-A (or any other control character) might be meaningful to the terminal emulator. The only reliable way to get a terminal emulator to switch into file transfer mode is to send it an escape sequence that is meaningful to it, which is exactly what APC is for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 21:14:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: Organization: Private System References: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:14:18 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark Nutter wrote: >Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is >anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare We have quite a few copies of Mac Kermit 189 running on SLC's and Powerbooks being operated by fairly novice users and I have not gotten any reports of crashes. According to Frank's notes, the state of the Mac version of C-Kermit is far from what he would like, but I have found it to be quite usable. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 06:57:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!psinntp!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 20 Dec 1994 06:57:09 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d5v85$rr@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> References: Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, for me the problem with Mac Kermit 0.991(190) as opposed to 0.99(190) is simple (and I've posted it here several days ago): I can create a settings file, but I cannot run 0.991 by clicking on it. :^) -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:14:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071401.35510@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:14:01 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. > > Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. > Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line > will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: > set duplex f > set duplex f > > set duplex f > set duplex h > > set duplex h > set duplex f > > set duplex h > set duplex h > where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. --------- Yup. Fixed now (post beta-15) here. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:13:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071312.35509@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:13:12 MDT References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) writes: > Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. > > Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for > my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. > > Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there > a setting in KERMIT I can set to? ----------- The next time "print to disk" and use the controller print option. This means SET PRINTER filename, and rather than LOG SESSION press Control-Printscreen keys to start logging this way. Only completed lines are logged, not how the lines are put together with cursor commands etc. Control-Printscreen is a toggle, the ON state shows as "PRN" on the status line. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:48:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:48:22 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: subzero.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: : ... : And have a macro to send a file like this... : send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a Try this: asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) send \%f \%a There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 18:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!mcs.com!rjmaley From: rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:12:34 LOCAL Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rjmaley.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work perfectly in interactive mode. I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for AXP 6.1. Any suggestions? - Ryan J. Maley rjmaley@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 15:27:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!RICH From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:27:46 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3cpn9i$5fh@dsm6.dsmnet.com> References: Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dsm1.dsmnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) writes: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? > >- >Ryan J. Maley >rjmaley@mcs.com Try this command in your DCL program just before the run Kermit command: $ define/user_mode sys$input sys$command Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:57:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:57:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 18:03:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Control: cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 15 Dec 1994 18:03:34 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3cq0dm$bjs@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Originator: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 07:15:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 07:15:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8kmp$c4r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a >command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different >initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command >line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate >kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate >just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. > Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu >-- Adam: I just tried this. I copied my ckermod.ini file to a new name and then started ckermit with a -y parameter listing the new ini file. Then typed ^C repeatedly. Nothing happened. the only place in the code where there is a problem handling ^C is in the dial command. If the dial command is interrupted with a ^C from that point forward there can be problems. (I'm working on it.) Would you mind contacting me directly about this so that we can get to the bottom of it quickly? Net-news is so slow. Send me a copy of your modem.ini file so that I can try to replicate the problem. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 20:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on a apple][+ Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 20:18:05 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Simon C.Hall writes: > anyone use kermit on an apple][+? > I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. Until I retired my Apple II systems two years ago, I used the Apple-II version of Kermit as terminal emulator on them. Good vt100 emulation, acceptable speed (about 6000bps) and a very stable binary (especially the ProDOS version). The Apple-II kermit distribution also containes a Unix 6502 cross-assembler, which I used quite a lot. I believe the most current release is 3.87. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 09:39:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!bham!wcl-rs!gio From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:39:33 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject sums it up really... Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? Gio From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 14:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!asuvax!names.maricopa.edu!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: a friend having a problem Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:15:15 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 987 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, MS-Kermit Trouble Report Date: December 21, 1994 From: cboldt@execpc.com Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. Harware: See msd report Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Desqview 2.4 kermit.exe 3.14 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} The example command line works fine. However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is specified from this context, the result is a locked machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. A cold boot is required to reset. What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm This results in a lock-up Attempt with kerlite.exe Results in a lock-up Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room for other programs. Locks-up. set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini This works and is in use Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> prompt also works, no trouble at all. Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 1 ======================================================================== -------------------- --- Customer Information Name: Chuck Seyboldt ------------------- ---- Summary Information Computer: American Megatrend, 486DX Memory: 621K, 7424K Ext, 7136K EMS, 736K XMS Video: VGA, Video Seven, V-RAM Network: No Network OS Version: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Mouse: Logitech Serial Mouse Other Adapters: Disk Drives: A: B: C: D: E: F: G: H: LPT Ports: 1 COM Ports: 2 Windows Information: 3.10, Not Active -------- --------------------- Computer Computer Name: American Megatrends BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends BIOS Version: RDV 1.20 BIOS Category: IBM PC/AT BIOS ID Bytes: FC 01 00 BIOS Date: 07/07/91 Processor: 486DX Math Coprocessor: Internal Keyboard: Enhanced Bus Type: ISA/AT/Classic Bus DMA Controller: Yes Cascaded IRQ2: Yes BIOS Data Segment: None Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 2 ======================================================================== ------ ------------------------ Memory Legend: Available " " RAM "##" ROM "RR" Possibly Available ".." EMS Page Frame "PP" Used UMBs "UU" Free UMBs "FF" 1024K FC00 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFF Conventional Memory F800 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FBFF Total: 621K F400 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F7FF Available: 443K 960K F000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F3FF 454352 bytes EC00 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EFFF E800 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EBFF Extended Memory E400 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E7FF Total: 7424K 896K E000 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E3FF DC00 ################ DFFF Expanded Memory (EMS) D800 ################ DBFF LIM Version: 4.00 D400 ################ D7FF Page Frame Address: E000H 832K D000 ################ D3FF Total: 7136K CC00 ################ CFFF Available: 736K C800 ################ CBFF C400 RRRRRRRR........ C7FF XMS Information 768K C000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR C3FF XMS Version: 3.00 BC00 ################ BFFF Driver Version: 6.00 B800 ################ BBFF A20 Address Line: Enabled B400 B7FF High Memory Area: In use 704K B000 B3FF Available: 736K AC00 AFFF Largest Free Block: 736K A800 ABFF Available SXMS: 736K A400 A7FF Largest Free SXMS: 736K 640K A000 A3FF VCPI Information VCPI Detected: Yes Version: 1.00 Available Memory: 748K ----- ------------------------- Video Video Adapter Type: VGA Manufacturer: Video Seven Model: V-RAM Display Type: VGA Color Video Mode: 3 Number of Columns: 80 Number of Rows: 25 Video BIOS Version: Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 Video BIOS Date: 01/24/89 VESA Support Installed: No Secondary Adapter: None ------- ---------------------- Network Network Detected: No Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 3 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ OS Version Operating System: MS-DOS 5.00 Internal Revision: 00 OEM Serial Number: FFH User Serial Number: 000000H OEM Version String: MS-DOS Version 5.00 DOS Located in: HMA Boot Drive: C: TopView Version: 1.10 Path to Program: D:\CO\dl\MSD.EXE Environment Strings ------------------------------------------------------------- TEMP=h:\scratch DSZLOG=d:\co\sav\commo.log FF=cdefh COMSPEC=i:\command.com EXTRA2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on PATH=I:\;D:\UUPC\BIN;..;C:\UTIL;C:\DOS;C:\;G:\DV MJOG=FILE:d:\co\sav\calendar PROMPT=$e[1;31m[CO]$e[0m $p$g ----- ------------------------- Mouse Mouse Hardware: Logitech Serial Mouse Driver Manufacturer: No Mouse Driver -------------- ------------ Other Adapters Game Adapter: Not Detected Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 4 ======================================================================== ----------- ---------------- Disk Drives Drive Type Free Space Total Size ----- ------------------------------------ ---------- ---------- A: Floppy Drive, 5.25" 1.2M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 15 Sectors/Track B: Floppy Drive, 3.5" 1.44M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 18 Sectors/Track C: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 47 276K 5140K 37 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 872 Cylinders, 8 Heads 35 Sectors/Track D: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 506K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track E: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 29M 220 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track F: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track G: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 1030K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track H: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 5352K 23M 173 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track I: RAM Disk 1313K 1529K 512 Bytes/Sector J: CD-ROM Drive MSCDEX Version 2.21 Installed LASTDRIVE=J: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 5 ======================================================================== --------- ------------------- LPT Ports Port On Paper I/O Time Port Address Line Out Error Out Busy ACK ----- ------- ---- ----- ----- ---- ---- --- LPT1: 0378H Yes Yes No No Yes No LPT2: - - - - - - - LPT3: - - - - - - - --------- ------------------- COM Ports COM1: COM2: COM3: COM4: ----- ----- ----- ----- Port Address 03F8H 02F8H N/A N/A Baud Rate 19200 1200 Parity None None Data Bits 8 8 Stop Bits 1 1 Carrier Detect (CD) No No Ring Indicator (RI) No No Data Set Ready (DSR) Yes Yes Clear To Send (CTS) Yes Yes UART Chip Used 8250 8250 ------------------- ---- Windows Information Windows version: 3.10 Windows mode: Not Active Windows Directory: G:\WIN31 System Directory: G:\WIN31\SYSTEM Filename Size Date Time ---------------------------- --------------- -------- ----- VPASD.386 18784 5/05/92 14:31 MSCVMD.386 9327 3/10/92 3:10 LANMAN10.386 8786 3/10/92 3:10 V7VDD.386 40385 3/10/92 3:10 VTDAPI.386 5245 3/10/92 3:10 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 6 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ IRQ Status IRQ Address Description Detected Handled By --- --------- ---------------- ------------------ ---------------- 0 0861:F437 Timer Click Yes XDV.COM 1 0861:7114 Keyboard Yes XDV.COM 2 F000:EA97 Second 8259A Yes BIOS 3 F000:EA97 COM2: COM4: COM2: BIOS 4 2A06:1427 COM1: COM3: COM1: COMMO.EXE 5 F000:EA97 LPT2: No BIOS 6 F000:EF57 Floppy Disk Yes BIOS 7 0070:06F4 LPT1: Yes System Area 8 F000:EA42 Real-Time Clock Yes BIOS 9 F000:EECF Redirected IRQ2 Yes BIOS 10 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 11 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 12 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 13 F000:EED8 Math Coprocessor Yes BIOS 14 F000:E845 Fixed Disk Yes BIOS 15 F000:FF53 (Reserved) BIOS Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 7 ======================================================================== ------------ --------------- TSR Programs Program Name Address Size Command Line Parameters ------------------ ------- ------ -------------------------------- System Data 027C 20368 QEMM386 027E 3072 EMMXXXX0 LOADHI 033F 304 Block Device LOADHI 0353 256 SMARTAAR LOADHI 0364 256 CDROM MVSOUND 0375 9136 MVPROAS File Handles 05B1 5552 FCBS 070D 256 BUFFERS 071E 512 Directories 073F 880 System Code 0776 64 COMMAND.COM 077B 2368 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0810 64 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0815 256 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0826 272 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0838 592 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 085E 120752 /hw:0e:L ??? 25DA 304 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMAND.COM 25EE 2368 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2683 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2695 80 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm CED.COM 269B 288 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg DNANSI 26AE 1744 CED.COM 271C 11360 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg COMMO.EXE 29E3 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMO.EXE 29F5 6432 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2B88 272 COMMAND.COM 2B9A 2368 ??? 2C2F 256 MSD.EXE 2C40 272 MSD.EXE 2C52 345120 MSD.EXE 8095 8192 MSD.EXE 8296 10032 MSD.EXE 850A 4048 Free Memory 8608 87568 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 8 ======================================================================== -------------- ------------ Device Drivers Device Filename Units Header Attributes ------------ -------- ----- --------- ---------------- NUL 0135:0048 1............1.. MVPROAS MVSOUND 0375:0000 1............... CDROM LOADHI 0364:0000 11..1........... SMARTAAR LOADHI 0353:0000 11..1........... Block Device LOADHI 1 033F:0000 ....1........... QEMM386$ 027E:003F 11.............. EMMXXXX0 QEMM386 027E:0000 11.............. CON 0070:0023 1..........1..11 AUX 0070:0035 1............... PRN 0070:0047 1.1.....11...... CLOCK$ 0070:0059 1...........1... Block Device 8 0070:006B ....1...11....1. COM1 0070:007B 1............... LPT1 0070:008D 1.1.....11...... LPT2 0070:009F 1.1.....11...... LPT3 0070:00B8 1.1.....11...... COM2 0070:00CA 1............... COM3 0070:00DC 1............... COM4 0070:00EE 1............... ---------------- ROM BIOS F000 65536 F000:CE59 System Configuration (C) Copyright 1985-1991, American Megatre nds Inc., F000:0000 0123AAAAMMMMIIII07/07/91(C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., All Rights Reserved F000:0050 (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:0100 ROM BIOS (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:8000 XXXX88886666----0123AAAAMMMMIIII Date:-07/07/91 (C)1985-1991, American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved. F000:E0CA R(C)1985-1991,American Megatrends Inc.,All Rights Reserved.,13 46 Oakbrook Dr.,#120,GA-30093,USA.(404)-263-8181. F000:6CC0 :DLTdD F000:E00E IBM COMPATIBLE IBM IS A TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MA CHINES CORP. F000:160E If BIOS shadow RAM is disabled, F000:2220 AUTO CONFIGURATION WITH BIOS DEFAULTS F000:2396 Load BIOS Setup Default Values for Advanced CMOS and Advanced CHIPSET Setup F000:24ED !AMI BIOS SETUP UTILITIES F000:2633 (ii) Load BIOS Setup Defaults F000:26A0 BIOS SETUP PROGRAM - F000:26F8 F5:Old Values F6:BIOS Setup Defaults F7:Power-On Defaults F000:423D Load BIOS Setup Default Values from ROM Table (Y/N) ? F000:CF70 ROM-BIOS Date : F000:FF59 (C)1990AMI,404-263-8181 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 9 ======================================================================== ---------------- Video ROM BIOS C000 24576 C000:002A Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 C000:00A2 (C) Copyright 1987 Video Seven Inc., All Rights Reserved. --------------- ---------- C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT @echo off ctty nul ::cd \dos ::g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 ced -b1024,128,2048,128,128,128 -fsynon.fil ::mouse /C2/E ::loadhi setver.exe ::loadhi xeq colon ::g:\dv\loadhi c:\dos\mouse1 /2 cd \util g:\dv\loadhi /r:2 pr256.exe g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 stackey ::stackey g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mscdex /d:CDROM /m:8 /e /l:j ::\cd-rom\mscdex /d:cdrom /m:8 /e md i:\hold copy \command.com i:\ for %%x in (q.exe l.com \dc.*) do copy %%x i: ctty con set temp=h:\scratch set dszlog=d:\co\sav\commo.log set ff=cdefh set comspec=i:\command.com set extra=one_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on set extra2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on prompt $p$g cls path i:\;d:\uupc\bin;..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ::path ..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ask&wait "Spacebar for DV or wait $s seconds" ! 10 [ if errorlevel 37 goto dv goto end :dv g: cd \dv xdv /hw:0e:L ::Setting Default Allowable Swit ches :: ::Mouse Type none SerialPort1,2,3,4 /Cn Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 10 ======================================================================== :: PS/2 /Z :: InPort1,2,3,4 /In :: Bus /B :: MSX /X :: ::Language English English /L :: German /LD :: Spanish /LE :: French /LF :: Italian /LI :: Dutch /LNL :: Portuguese /LP :: Swedish /LS :: Finnish /LSF :: ::Memory :: Low Memory LowMem LowMem - :: High Memory HiMem /U :: Extended Memory EMM /E :: ::Interrupt Rate 1 0,1,2,3,4 /Rn :: ::Sensitivity :: Horizontal Only 50 5-100 /Hn :: Vertical Only 50 5-100 /Vn :: Horizontal & Vertical 50 5-100 /Vn :: ::Active Acceleration Profile 2 1,2,3,4 /Pn :: ::Cursor Display :: CursorDisplayDelay 0 0-10 /Nn :: ForceDefaultCursor off on/off /M :: ::Hardware Cursor Support true true/false /Y :: ::Button Selection :: Primary 1 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm :: Secondary 3 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm ::set mouse=C:\DOS ::C:\DOS\mouse/c2/u/y :end ------------- ------------- C:\CONFIG.SYS DEVICE=g:\dv\QEMM386.SYS RAM X=B000-BFFF DMA=32 dos=high rem DEVICE=c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:2 c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 11 ======================================================================== rem DEVICE=c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 lastdrive=j rem DEVICE=c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A:300 rem DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A :300 rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /L:j /N:1 /E rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:cdrom /L:j /N:1 /E device=c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:7 rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:5 files=99 buffers=15 STACKS=0,0 ------------------- ---- G:\WIN31\SYSTEM.INI [boot] mouse.drv=mscmouse.drv shell=progman.exe network.drv= language.dll= sound.drv=mmsound.drv comm.drv=comm.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv system.drv=system.drv 386grabber=V7VGA.3GR oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon 286grabber=VGACOLOR.2GR fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon fonts.fon=vgasys.fon display.drv=V7VGA.DRV drivers=mmsystem.dll SCRNSAVE.EXE=G:\WIN31\SSMYST.SCR [keyboard] subtype= type=4 keyboard.dll= oemansi.bin= [boot.description] mouse.drv=Mouse Systems serial or bus mouse keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards network.drv=No Network Installed language.dll=English (American) system.drv=MS-DOS System codepage=437 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 12 ======================================================================== woafont.fon=English (437) aspect=100,96,96 display.drv=Video 7 512K, 720x512 256 colors [386Enh] device=vpasd.386 SystemROMBreakPoint=false mouse=mscvmd.386 32BitDiskAccess=on device=*int13 device=*wdctrl device=lanman10.386 network=*dosnet,*vnetbios ebios=*ebios woafont=dosapp.fon display=V7VDD.386 EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON keyboard=*vkd device=vtdapi.386 device=*vpicd device=*vtd device=*reboot device=*vdmad device=*vsd device=*v86mmgr device=*pageswap device=*dosmgr device=*vmpoll device=*wshell device=*BLOCKDEV device=*PAGEFILE device=*vfd device=*parity device=*biosxlat device=*vcd device=*vmcpd device=*combuff device=*cdpscsi local=CON FileSysChange=off PagingFile=G:\WIN386.SWP MaxPagingFileSize=2998 MinTimeslice=20 WinTimeslice=100,50 WinExclusive=0 Com1AutoAssign=2 Com2AutoAssign=2 [standard] [NonWindowsApp] localtsrs=dosedit,ced Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 13 ======================================================================== [mci] WaveAudio=mciwave.drv 4 Sequencer=mciseq.drv Mixer=mcimixer.drv CDAudio=mcicda.drv [drivers] timer=timer.drv midimapper=midimap.drv MIDI=opl3.drv MIDI1=mvproaud.drv Wave=mvproaud.drv Aux=mvproaud.drv Mixer=mvmixer.drv [v7vga.drv] WidthXHeight=720x512 FontSize=small [Multimedia.Setup] audio=mvproaud.drv,0,0,0 [mvproaud.drv] dma=3 irq=7 [mciseq.drv] disablewarning=false ---------------- --------- G:\WIN31\WIN.INI [windows] spooler=yes load= run= Beep=yes NullPort=None BorderWidth=3 CursorBlinkRate=710 DoubleClickSpeed=493 Programs=com exe bat pif Documents= DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15 TransmissionRetryTimeout=45 KeyboardDelay=1 KeyboardSpeed=26 ScreenSaveActive=1 ScreenSaveTimeOut=60 MouseThreshold1=4 MouseThreshold2=12 MouseSpeed=2 CoolSwitch=1 DosPrint=no device=Epson LQ-500,EPSON24,LPT1: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 14 ======================================================================== [Desktop] Pattern=(None) Wallpaper=chitz.bmp GridGranularity=0 IconSpacing=75 TileWallPaper=1 [Extensions] cal=calendar.exe ^.cal crd=cardfile.exe ^.crd trm=terminal.exe ^.trm txt=notepad.exe ^.txt ini=notepad.exe ^.ini pcx=pbrush.exe ^.pcx bmp=pbrush.exe ^.bmp wri=write.exe ^.wri rec=recorder.exe ^.rec hlp=winhelp.exe ^.hlp TBK=TBOOK.EXE ^.TBK wav=prec.exe ^.wav [intl] sLanguage=enu sCountry=United States iCountry=1 iDate=0 iTime=0 iTLZero=0 iCurrency=0 iCurrDigits=2 iNegCurr=0 iLzero=1 iDigits=2 iMeasure=1 s1159=AM s2359=PM sCurrency=$ sThousand=, sDecimal=. sDate=/ sTime=: sList=, sShortDate=M/d/yy sLongDate=dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy [ports] ; A line with [filename].PRN followed by an equal sign causes ; [filename] to appear in the Control Panel's Printer Configuration dial og ; box. A printer connected to [filename] directs its output into this fi le. LPT1:= LPT2:= LPT3:= Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 15 ======================================================================== COM1:=19200,n,8,1,p COM2:=9600,n,8,1,x COM3:=9600,n,8,1,x COM4:=9600,n,8,1,x EPT:= FILE:= LPT1.DOS= LPT2.DOS= [FontSubstitutes] Helv=MS Sans Serif Tms Rmn=MS Serif Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial [TrueType] [mci extensions] wav=waveaudio mid=sequencer rmi=sequencer [Compatibility] NOTSHELL=0x0001 WPWINFIL=0x0006 CCMAIL=0x0008 AMIPRO=0x0010 REM=0x8022 PIXIE=0x0040 CP=0x0040 JW=0x42080 TME=0x0100 VB=0x0200 WIN2WRS=0x1210 PACKRAT=0x0800 VISION=0x0040 MCOURIER=0x0800 _BNOTES=0x24000 MILESV3=0x1000 PM4=0x2000 DESIGNER=0x2000 PLANNER=0x2000 DRAW=0x2000 WINSIM=0x2000 CHARISMA=0x2000 PR2=0x2000 PLUS=0x1000 ED=0x00010000 APORIA=0x0100 EXCEL=0x1000 GUIDE=0x1000 NETSET2=0x0100 W4GL=0x4000 W4GLR=0x4000 TURBOTAX=0x00080000 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 16 ======================================================================== [Microsoft Word 2.0] HPDSKJET=+1 [fonts] Arial (TrueType)=ARIAL.FOT Arial Bold (TrueType)=ARIALBD.FOT Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)=ARIALBI.FOT Arial Italic (TrueType)=ARIALI.FOT Courier New (TrueType)=COUR.FOT Courier New Bold (TrueType)=COURBD.FOT Courier New Italic (TrueType)=COURI.FOT Times New Roman (TrueType)=TIMES.FOT Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)=TIMESBD.FOT Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)=TIMESBI.FOT Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)=TIMESI.FOT Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)=COURBI.FOT WingDings (TrueType)=WINGDING.FOT MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SSERIFE.FON Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)=COURE.FON MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SERIFE.FON Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SYMBOLE.FON Roman (Plotter)=ROMAN.FON Script (Plotter)=SCRIPT.FON Modern (Plotter)=MODERN.FON Small Fonts (VGA res)=SMALLE.FON Symbol (TrueType)=SYMBOL.FOT [embedding] SoundRec=Sound,Sound,SoundRec.exe,picture Package=Package,Package,packager.exe,picture PBrush=Paintbrush Picture,Paintbrush Picture,pbrush.exe,picture PocketMix=Pocket Mixer Settings,Pocket Mixer Settings,G:\WIN31\PMIX.EXE, picture PocketRec=Pocket Recorder Wave,Pocket Recorder Wave,G:\WIN31\PREC.EXE,pi cture [colors] Background=255 251 240 AppWorkspace=255 251 240 Window=255 255 255 WindowText=0 0 0 Menu=255 255 255 MenuText=0 0 0 ActiveTitle=164 200 240 InactiveTitle=255 255 255 TitleText=0 0 0 ActiveBorder=192 192 192 InactiveBorder=192 192 192 WindowFrame=0 0 0 Scrollbar=192 192 192 ButtonFace=192 192 192 ButtonShadow=128 128 128 ButtonText=0 0 0 GrayText=192 192 192 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 17 ======================================================================== Hilight=164 200 240 HilightText=0 0 0 InactiveTitleText=0 0 0 ButtonHilight=255 255 255 [Terminal] Port=COM1 [SciCalc] layout=0 [Cardfile] ValidateFileWrite=1 [Chomp] High=500 [Windows Help] H_WindowPosition=[240,170,240,170,0] [MSCharMap] Font=Symbol [PrinterPorts] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:,15,45 [devices] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1: [Hop] UsageCount=1 [Media Vision Pocket Mixer] ;a=; Mixer patching support: ;b=; Set mixer control to , line . ;c=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;Monitor=fixed,input,1 ;Synthesizer=unfixed,input,0 ;Microphone=unfixed,input,4 ;PCMWave=unfixed,input,5 ;CDPlayer=unfixed,input,3 ;PCSpeaker=unfixed,input,6 ;Auxiliary=unfixed,input,2 ;Master=fixed,output,0 [Media Vision Device Specification] ;MixerDevice=Media Vision Mixer ;MixerDevMID=3 ;MixerDevPID=0 ;InputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Input ;InputDevMID=3 ;InputDevPID=21 ;OutputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Output ;OutputDevMID=3 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 18 ======================================================================== ;OutputDevPID=20 [Media Vision Pocket Recorder] ;a=; Current user interface support allows for: ;b=; one or two channels. ;c=; variable sample rates between specified minimum and maximum. ;d=; eight and/or sixteen bits per sample (commas between multiple va lues). ;e=; file compaction by two and/or four (currently not supported). ;f=; Buffer Management: ;g=; buffer size should be a power of two (default 32768). ;h=; number of buffers for playback and record ahead (default 5, max 16). ;i=; Pitch/speed effect related parameters: ;j=; shift fraction is the wave decimation size (default: 125th of a second). ;k=; fade divide is the shift portion to cross fade (default: 2, one half). ;l=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;NumChannels=2 ;MinSampRate=1 ;MaxSampRate=44100 ;BitsPerSamp=8,16 ;Compression=2,4 ;BufferSize=32768 ;NumBuffers=5 ;ShiftFract=125 ;FadeDivide=2 [mvmixer.drv] LineIn1=SYNTH MUS] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn2=MIXER MIX] PLAY L= 56% R= 56% @=0000 LineIn3=AUX AUX| PLAY L= 53% R= 60% @=0000 LineIn4=CD CDA| PLAY L= 55% R= 55% @=0000 LineIn5=MIC MIC| PLAY L= 48% R= 48% @=0000 LineIn6=WAVE WAV] PLAY L= 74% R= 74% @=0000 LineIn7=SPKR SPK] RECORD L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn8=BLSTR WAV] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineOut1=MASTER AMP| PLAY L= 76% R= 76% @=0000 LineOut2=REC IN WAV] RECORD L= 80% R= 80% @=0000 StereoEnhance=OFF Loudness=OFF Bass= 50 Treble= 50 SaveSettingsOnWindowsExit=YES [WinJack] Trial=2026 [sounds] SystemAsterisk=chord.wav,Asterisk SystemHand=chord.wav,Critical Stop SystemDefault=ding.wav,Default Beep SystemExclamation=G:\WIN31\DING.WAV,Exclamation Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 19 ======================================================================== SystemQuestion=chord.wav,Question SystemExit=G:\WIN31\CHIMES.WAV,Windows Exit SystemStart=tada.wav,Windows Start From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:20:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Message-Id: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 10:20:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > Hello, > > MS-Kermit Trouble Report > > Date: December 21, 1994 > From: cboldt@execpc.com > > Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" > is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. > > Harware: See msd report > Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 > Desqview 2.4 > kermit.exe 3.14 > 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE > 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE > > Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides > a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 > > This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } > > {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} > > The example command line works fine. > > However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is > specified from this context, the result is a locked > machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. > A cold boot is required to reset. > > What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm > This results in a lock-up > > Attempt with kerlite.exe > Results in a lock-up > > Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. > This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room > for other programs. Locks-up. > > set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini > This works and is in use > > Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> > prompt also works, no trouble at all. --------------- Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. I've never encountered COMMO so I won't guess about it. Also please do watch out for Smartdrive eating up cpu cycles like crazy when it flushes to real disk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:18:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3da9k9$95q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. Your other alternative, if you are running CC-DOS (Chinese DOS) is a special Chinese edition of an old version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32A, by Quanfang Zhang of Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (see "Kermit in China", Kermit News #5, July 1993). You can find it on kermit.columbia.edu. The text files are in kermit/c/cc*.*, and binaries are in kermit/bin/cc*.exe. Naturally, we would like to see true Chinese support integrated into the new version MS-DOS Kermit; it should be fairly easy given the existing Kanji support. But it would require a DOS programmer with a knowledge of Chinese writing and character sets, and access to Chinese-model PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:32:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:32:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3daad2$a80@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> >> Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" >> is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. >> ... >Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the >serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same >hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. > On the other hand, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is specifically designed to be used as an external protocol by other software, so if Commo leaves the port alone while Kermit is using it, hopefully there will be no interference. Two other possibilities spring to mind. When you add this command, you are doing two things: making the command line longer, and causing Kermit to dynamically allocate memory for packet buffers. If the command line is longer than DOS's buffer for command lines (if I recall correctly), terrible things can happen. It is better to use a shorter command line which points Kermit at a file to execute additional commands from. If that's not the explanation, then look at your memory management setup very carefully -- maybe more than one process is contending for the same memory, or QEMM is misconfigured, or Commo is not respecting Kermit's "space", or some other application, driver, or TSR is misbehaving. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:41:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC Initiation Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:41:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3daauo$arf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a >HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z >works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is >outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because >I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC >software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? > Your problem report does not make sense. APC is supported by the terminal emulator in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later, but TERMINALR/TERMINALS is not. So if your software is sending the TERMINALR/TERMINALS escape sequences and they work, you must not be running version 3.13, which would explain why APC sequences do not work for you. If you are running 3.13, then please read the update notes in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the diskette, which explain in great detail how to use the APC feature. I don't know what your MAPPERC software does, but maybe it is not sending the APC sequences correctly. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set debug session" so you can watch what MAPPERC is sending. You should see: ^[_xxxxx^[\ where xxxxx is the text inside the APC sequence. If you see that and it still doesn't work, then please make sure you don't have "set terminal apc off", etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MAC Kermit? Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:43:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3dab1k$aua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, Chuck Stickelman wrote: > >I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) >but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. >What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? >Where is the latest version located, and old is it? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 23:00:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:01:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 21 Dec 1994 23:00:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3dac38$c1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu>, Eugene Tyurin wrote: >I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference >between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, >the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on >it's saved settings file. :^( > Macintosh Kermit is not one of our top Kermit programs. It is basically a combination of C-Kermit 5A with a Macintosh user and system interface. C-Kermit 5A is mine, the Mac-specific part is nobody's. Ten (yes, ten) years ago, the original Mac Kermit was written by my group, but those people are long gone. I am not funded to replace them. For some years, we had some excellent volunteer Mac programmers who made terrific progress, but they are now also long gone. What is the difference between 0.991(190) and 0.99(190)? It is that I tracked down and fixed the problem that was causing 0.99(190) -- and all earlier versions -- to crash when downloading files on Mac System 7.1 and later (the problem being that a system call that had worked for ten years had suddenly stopped working). I also fixed the READ command not to crash. I also fixed the various LOG commands, which never worked before. I fixed the file transfer display, which previously often did not know whether a file was being sent or received, and added some additional info, like the current directory. I fixed some of the dialog boxes to show the current file-related settings correctly, in case they had been set from the command window. I removed the stupid alert boxes that kept coming up saying "Writing to console not allowed". I added a DIRECTORY command, and fixed various other file-related commands. etc etc. And I guess I must also have broken something. Sorry. I'm not a Macintosh programmer, and I am beginning to wonder if anybody is. I am surprised that so many people use this program, and apparently so many universities depend on it, but nobody is willing or able to contribute to its development or support. I would do it myself, but there are simply not enough hours in a day. If you are a skilled Macintosh programmer, preferably in MPW C, and are interested in helping out, please read the ckmker.bwr file, and then if you are still interested, contact me. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 22 21:53:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Date: 22 Dec 1994 21:53:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-15 include: . The SEND command now accepts an "indirect filename", starting with "@"; the named file contains a list of files to be sent (see KERMIT.UPD). . TCP and IP now use less packets, good for SLIP. . Doomsday Kermit (DDK) protocol fixed, really this time. . SET TELNET TERM no longer uppercases the name. . MAIL command fixed. . A bug with ESC completion fixed in command parser. . REMOTE ASG added as "special abbreviation" for REMOTE ASSIGN. . \v(inpath) now also works when file found in current directory. Thanks to Joe Doupnik for all the above, and much else too! Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 23 06:48:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 22 Dec 1994 22:48:21 -0800 Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: HANGUP on FreeBSD drops DTR longer than 0.5 second Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. Thanks for any info, --Roland Kwee email: rolandkwee@acm.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 06:52:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:52:15 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes clone faxmodem. Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 packets resent). Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and 30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why it is so low overall. The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone suggest to increase efficiency? TIA. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 14:06:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.Gsu.EDU!usenet From: Tom Bowden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:06:43 GMT Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: isgtmb.gsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: > > C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm > Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus > end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes > clone faxmodem. > [stuff deleted] > > The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for > each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > > Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone > suggest to increase efficiency? > Use longer packets. In PCPLUS, go into setup (alt-s), then Protocols, then Kermit (this may vary depending on which version you have). The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. At the unversity end, edit your .kermrc (or ckermit.ini) file so that it includes the lines: set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set window 3 Hope this helps. Tom in Atlanta From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:59:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:00:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 10:59:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 23 Dec 1994 15:59:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3des5q$gm2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the >DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained >in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. > >On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. >It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems >with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should >cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way >to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). > >Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? >If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? > It is supposed to work as described in the book. During (and after) the development of C-Kermit 5A(190), FreeBSD kept changing out from under me. I received numerous "patches" from all over the world, most of them mutually contradictory. As you have probably seen by inspecting the tthang() routine in ckutio.c, the simple act of dropping DTR for half a second is one of the hardest things to do in non-vendor-specific UNIX communications software, since there are so many different ways to do it -- each system has its own way. tthang() presently takes up 405 lines of code, and still fails to work in some cases, like yours. The POSIX method is used In the FreeBSD case -- relatively straightforward (get current speed, save it, set speed to 0, sleep half a second(*), restore speed), so if it doesn't work, there is probably something wrong underneath -- i.e. in FreeBSD or your serial port driver. All I can say is, you are free to make changes to tthang() and send them to me, but don't have any confidence that your changes will work for any length of time, given FreeBSD's track record on stability so far (speaking as an outsider, no offense intended). I don't have access to any FreeBSD systems to do this work myself. Also, in my correspondence with other FreeBSD users, nobody has reported a problem like this, so it's very likely peculiar to a specific configuration (kernel edit, driver edit, whatever). >In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines >to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. > This would be a great feature, but no, there is no standard or portable way (not even several standard ways) to set arbitrary modem signals. C-Kermit does have a "show modem" command, which works on the (few) UNIX variations that allow modem signals to be tested. HP-UX probably has the best serial i/o interface I've seen; very few others even approach it. UNIX "standards bodies" have vigorously avoided the area of serial communications, which, even in this age of low-cost, high-speed modems and the worldwide public stampede to the "on-ramp" of the "information superhighway" -- a time when serial communications is becoming more important than ever before. POSIX made some progress, but it's only one of many APIs, and even the POSIX.1 API is inadequate. It does not address questions of exclusive access (which leaves us, still, with the "UUCP lockfile" -- one of the most atrocious ideas in software engineering ever to gain "de facto standard" status, ranking right up there with cooperative multitasking, with which it has more than a little in common), hardware flow control, modem signals, nondestructive input-buffer peeking, or fine-grained (under one second) sleeps, all of which are essential for serial communications. (*) But since there is no way to sleep for half a second in POSIX, we have to use some kind of non-POSIX-compliant method, i.e. an "extension", and this might be a good place to start looking for the problem. See the msleep() routine in ckutio.c. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 05:06:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: <1994Dec19.110606.35728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 94 11:06:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) writes: > I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 > students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal > program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There isn't such a thing. I believe you must mean MS-DOS Kermit, no relation to C Kermit other than from the same project. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 19:58:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!news.reed.edu!sun.lclark.edu!sun.lclark.edu!not-for-mail From: miller@sun.lclark.edu (John Miller) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 19 Dec 1994 11:58:35 -0800 Organization: Lewis and Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 16 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun.lclark.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results on the net. Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions of sz, etc. Thanks, John Miller -- "What's ahead?" From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 07:30:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:30:28 CST From: Message-Id: <94353.133028U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 fix SC9131X still work? Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi -- I've got Unix C-Kermits and MS-Kermit dialing up to MVS/ESA mainframes through a Renex TMS-4 protocol converter. I put on SC9131X as a local update to Kermit- 370 to get rid of the "IKT....Screen erasure caused by..." message, setting &CONOPTS to 'STCNOS1' to force graphics controller (as recommended by the beware file and ik0aaa). I still get the message (yeah, I checked the PROCLIB and everything). Can anyone help me out? Many thanks...Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | "I would have preferred that | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | you smell of garlic." | Consultant | | Emperor Vespasian, | Technical Support Group, Inc. | | demoting a perfumed | 360 N. Michigan Ave, Suite 1005 | | officer, c. 70 AD. | Chicago, IL. 60601 Tel: 312-704-5100 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:38:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:38:03 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3df8ur$uj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba-cddi.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia University. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to John Miller : |Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup |article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining |than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results |on the net. In my particular setup (dialup to Unix server at Columbia University), even with long packets enabled, etc., DSZ has a speed edge over MS-Kermit. However, Kermit is totally free. Moreover, Frank's crew writes documentation 1000% better than Mr. Forsberg--the DSZ docs (and command parameter interface) is as obscure and unintentionally hilarious as can get. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on my juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica routine . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:55:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:55:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3df9vk$bp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm >Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus >end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes >clone faxmodem. > >Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical >throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed >binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a >lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 >packets resent). > >Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and >30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves >when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why >it is so low overall. > >The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for >each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > >Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone >suggest to increase efficiency? > (a) Use MS-DOS Kermit instead of Procomm; (b) Adjust the window size, packet size, and other parameters to achieve maximum efficiency. This kind of question is posted every couple days, and rather than repost the detailed answer each time, I've stored it on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, faq.txt. Please read it. I have seen certain newsgroups that seem to have a permanent greeting message. If I knew how to accomplish this, I could post pointers to FAQs, etc, so everybody would see them when first accessing this group. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 00:29:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 24 Dec 1994 00:29:59 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Bowden (isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu) wrote: ==> handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: ==> [stuff deleted (by both of us!)] ==> Use longer packets. [ . . . ] ==> The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit the file PCPLUS.PRM to get it to 255. I can edit a two-byte value (1024 = 0400h), but PC+ only looks at the low byte (apparently) when actually negotiating the link. ==> At the university end, edit your .kermrc file so that ==> it includes the lines: ==> set send packet-length 1024 ..... I set 255 ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know about such strangeness? Now my efficiency is up to 71% which is close to the theoretical ratio of 14400/19200 = 75%. ==> Hope this helps. It *sure*does*!!! Sent me in the right direction. Thanks, Tom and all. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:23:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Message-Id: <1994Dec23.212306.35982@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Dec 94 21:23:06 MDT References: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from > kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: ---------- Just to forstall questions, this beta has one known problem: saying Kermit -f may fail if the filename lacks a full path. It's fixed at my place already, but rather than issuing a new beta after a day we felt it better to use these few remaining days to discover any last bugs. Please, if you find them report them immediately so we can make the formal release ASAP. Don't depend on NEWS to be speedy; try my personal address, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. 24 ..... I set 255 > ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 > ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? > > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know > about such strangeness? Oh, that's a signature of running over many PPP and some SLIP links, but nothing to do with C Kermit itself. You can SET SEND (or RECEIVE) PACKET at the C Kermit prompt if necessary to overcome any system defaults the guys have created. The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end is a good one. About four window slots of 1-2KB packets is plenty on a local link. No binary editing hackery required. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 17:51:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!cliff From: cliff@shell.portal.com (Seeker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 17:51:05 GMT Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: $ set term/pag=32/wid=80 I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two lines: output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 in 5 $ Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? Cliff@shell.poratl.com -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | cliff@shell.portal.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 18:05:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 18:05:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhntp$svt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell>, Seeker wrote: >I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I >execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: > >$ set term/pag=32/wid=80 > >I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 >when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing >directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a >simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two >lines: > >output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 >in 5 $ > >Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 >with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the >problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I >can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying >to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output >command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? > I am not totally sure this is the answer, but... In version 5A(190) and earlier, the same screen size is used by both the C-Kermit command parser and the terminal emulation window (in future releases, the sizes will be independent). When the command parser is active, so is the ANSI console driver. I suspect that when you tell VMS to: set term/pag=32/wid=80 this causes VMS to send an escape sequence to the terminal. You can confirm this via LOG SESSION or by putting C-Kermit's terminal emulator in debug mode (with Alt-d). If you have SET INPUT ECHO ON in C-Kermit, then your INPUT command: in 5 $ will read characters sent by the host and echo them to the screen, i.e. to the ANSI console driver. This means that any escape sequences sent by the host are likely to have unexpected effects since ANSI != VTxxx. In this case, the console driver evidently recognized what it though was a video- mode change command, and so changed its video mode, which affects both the command screen and the terminal screen. Solution: Tell C-Kermit to SET INPUT ECHO OFF. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 02:24:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Message-Id: <1994Dec21.082425.35841@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 08:24:25 MDT References: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) writes: > Subject sums it up really... > > Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does > anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit supports only one LAT session at a time. It's a bunch of work and memory to support multiple LAT sessions, and so far there has been no demand for that capability. Only the internal Telnet stack supports multiple sessions at this time, and later we hope to add some other comms channels to the session manager. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 07:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:30:39 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: brevard.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: ==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" ==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports 286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? ==> The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end . . . so maybe I can get a PCKermit to set up as an EXTERNal protocol with the hooks provided with ProComm+ ? Thanks for all the hints! -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 04:03:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Message-Id: <1994Dec25.040321.22507@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:03:21 GMT Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) says: >I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), >but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Brian Degregorio > > >***************************************************************************** >** Brian Degregorio ** >** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** >** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** >** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** >** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** >Captain Penny's Law: > You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of > the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. >***************************************************************************** > I use DSZ, but GSZ should work the same way. Just make the appropriate name change to the following macros. I've forgotten which one of the DOCUMENTATION files I found this in, but by adding the following macros to my MSCUSTOM.INI file I can call DSZ as an external protocol from MSKermit. > ; Macros for transferring files via DSZ (Zmodem) ... > ; > define rz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G rz -r > define sz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 > define t run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G t -r DSZ is installed in a directory in my path. I use Kermit's terminal emulation for everything up to the point where I issue the: sz [filespec] command on the remote system command line. I then use [Alt + X] to return to the local Kermit command line, where I use: do rz to initiate the Kermit "rz" macro defined above. This starts DSZ in the receive mode, which initiates the file transfer via Zmodem. When the transfer is complete, DSZ exits and returns to the Kermit command line. I can then "connect" again to get back to the remote command line. The: est 0 9600 passed to DSZ is supposed to cause the estimated transfer time to reflect the correct 9600 baud rate of my V.32 modem, even though I use a DCE/DTE rate of 19,200. This doesn't seem to work right, but I haven't yet tried to determine why not. Also the "G" is supposed to be necessary to enable the serial port, since when you run an external command, kermit is supposed to shut off the serial port. It seems to work, so I haven't investigated if it is really needed. Using "rz" on the remote system and "do sz" from the local kermit command line initiates Zmodem "up-loads" in place of downloads. The "t" macro is a special version of the download protocol, which I haven't used yet. It is supposed to allow more automatic downloads to be performed. I'm sure more automation could be included in the macros, but these work quite well manually. Maybe someone else had improved on these macro's. With MSKermit as the main comm. program and DSZ as an external protocol, I have two of the most popular and reliable protocols available in an inexpensive package. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:34:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 14:34:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3djvu9$s2m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: >==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit >... >i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" > We can't be responsible for the restrictions of Procomm. MS-DOS Kermit lets you choose any packet length up to the theoritical maximum of 9024. >==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! >... >i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports >286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? > The packet length is determined by the file receiver. In other words, the receiver gives the sender permission to send packets UP TO the given length; the sender can choose to send less, but not more. A real Kermit program will normally use the length that you tell it. If you were using MS-DOS Kermit, the command would be: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 or whatever. Evidently your version of Procomm does not want to receive long packets, no matter how you "hexedit" your Procomm configuration. Maybe that's why it does not have a "command" or setting for this. Give the same command to C-Kermit when uploading. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190) and, like MS-DOS Kermit 3.xx, it is a full implementation of the protocol: long packets, sliding windows, compression, locking shifts, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 12:47:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:47:12 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the Joe and Frank's replies to my previous posting: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT). After the hints, I find out that using the following terminal setting, I can view Chinese in Big5 code when runing MSKERMIT in a Chinese DOS system. set parity none set term bytesize 8 set terminal character transparent Ching-Mo >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Doupnik writes: Joe> ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit Joe> command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit Joe> terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY Joe> {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as Joe> above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus Joe> file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same Joe> command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese Frank> characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending Frank> on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Frank> Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Frank> Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Frank> Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations Frank> of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Frank> Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 02:08:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 02:08:44 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? Thank you in advance Carlos ps. happy new year! From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 18:24:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 11:24:56 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Signature: YES/286! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.11.B1218 - Freeware! X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a test From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Message-Id: <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Dec 94 20:30:48 MDT References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is > using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Thank you in advance -------------- De-scoping the question: what did you do, and what happened? Something to keep in mind with SLIP is there is only one "other end" of the wire and that remote end's IP number is the gateway off the wire, and consequently your PC and that other end are on the same IP network number (host parts differ but not the network parts of the IP addresses). I suggest you do a quick double check with your local IP responsible people about IP numbers and subnet masks etc to verify that you are using the correct values for your environment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 09:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!primenet.com!not-for-mail From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Primenet Message-Id: <-uZR$kuqcZ7WI075yn@primenet.com> Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 09:50:50 GMT Approved: news@primenet.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 17:19:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 17:19:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3dmtvl$l5k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. > Did you read the instructions? This is from the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta ZIP file: MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps: 1. SET PORT 1 (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection). 2. SET SPEED 19200 (or whatever speed you will be using) 3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE) Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection! SLIP and Xon/Xoff are incompatible with each other. 4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be providing SLIP service. Determine the IP address and other information (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you. Normally, these are displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode. 5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit. The connection is left open. 6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example: slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200 7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again. Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the serial port where SLIP is running. Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS, SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands. Then, to make a connection, use SET PORT TCP
, where
is the IP hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to. Note: Even though you might think it's silly to exit from Kermit and then start it again, when you could simply start the SLIP driver from the Kermit prompt, there is a reason: starting a driver from inside an application results in memory fragmentation. Note 2: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for example, Cisco terminal servers can do this). Also, MS-DOS Kermit's SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Of interest to you would be an improvement in the efficiency of SLIP service, which came in Beta 16 (the current Beta). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 18:18:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Message-Id: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 18:18:28 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my program says that the port is in use. If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I want the connection to remain open. Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting ckermit just kills the connection. Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed running external programs that access the port with the run command but it appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 22:01:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Date: 26 Dec 1994 22:01:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3dnefc$40v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run >another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my >program says that the port is in use. OS/2 C-Kermit locks the port when it is in use so that other applications cannot interfere with it. >If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I >want the connection to remain open. Correct. OS/2 doesn't allow files to remain open past the end of an application. It automatically closes all open files. >Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip >connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip >says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting >ckermit just kills the connection. In the next version of C-Kermit for OS/2 [5A(191)], there is now SLIPTERM support which allows C-Kermit to grab control of the COM port from the SLIP driver. This way you can start a slip session, and use C-Kermit as your terminal emulation and scripting package. >Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed >running external programs that access the port with the run command but it >appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. The program needs to be written so that it can accept a file handle instead of a port name. This way the program can be started as a child process of C-Kermit and inherit the open comm port. >Thanks, > >Helen > If you are interested in joining the test group for OS/2 C-Kermit, send me mail directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 27 20:24:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:38 -0500 Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Distribution: or Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:24:32 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu>, John Miller wrote: >Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup >article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining >than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results >on the net. Chuck does have a gift for generating publicity, doesn't he? ;-) Unfortunately, I've never seen a `showdown' that produced any really useful information. As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned lies, and statistics. If you read between the lines of the glossy graphs and charts used to support the `my protocol is better than yours' wars, you can get some real laughs. For example, one chart I saw proclaimed one protocol `best' due to an advantage over a competitor of only .3%! Another chose a very particular file that had certain properties that caused it to transfer unusually quickly under one particular protocol (but not a competitor's, of course). Both of these comparisons were done by generally well-respected individuals. >Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? >We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions >of sz, etc. Latest versions of which packages? I've seen 10-20 percent variations in speed between different implementations of the same protocol on the same equipment transferring the same file. (In one case, a data scope was used to verify that the implementations were functioning identically. Apparently, one was just 10% less efficient at managing the serial and disk I/O on that hardware.) If that kind of difference is important to you, then simply specifying which _protocol_ to compare is pointless. My two cents: Kermit and ZModem are sufficiently close in speed (given good implementations of each) that ease of use and reliability are THE most important issues. Speed is no longer a major consideration. If you want faster transfers, buy a faster modem and a faster computer. Still not fast enough? Rent a T1 line. In fact, I regularly use a protocol that's much slower than either Kermit or ZModem simply because I have an implementation that's extremely easy to use. The minutes I save not having to remember which settings to fiddle more than make up for the seconds of extra transfer time. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 05:58:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 05:58:13 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set port tcp", then "connect", and I got: Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". "Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? Hans Lachman "You are lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike." From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:35:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!extra.cc.purdue.edu!cjdc From: cjdc@extra.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Christian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:35:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: extra.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? Chris -- PGP PUBLIC KEY available upon request From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:44:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:44:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ds150$drn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. >I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. >I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set >port tcp", then "connect", and I got: > > Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > >Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate >values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". >"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") >by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. > >I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. >Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? > No. MS-DOS Kermit is not a native NT application and can't use NT's TCP/IP protocol. Kermit executes its own built-in TCP/IP protocol code, which runs on top of either a packet driver or an ODI driver. I don't know enough about NT to say whether it is possible to run a "DOS virtual machine" under NT which includes a packet driver or ODI driver for your network board (this is possible under OS/2), but if so, then you make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit this way, but it would probably require shutting down TCP/IP on NT. In the future, we hope to have a native TCP/IP-capable Kermit version for NT, but I can't give an estimate yet as to when it might be ready. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:52:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:52:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ds1jj$eab@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Chris Christian wrote: >I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without >net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all >with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc >all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, > All of this is quite possible. >however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit >scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation >on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me >have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction >when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? > Why does it have to be free? The Kermit effort is entirely self supporting, depending on income from software distribution fees (dwindling in this era of burgeoning Internet access) and book sales for its continued existence. Since we have gone to the trouble of writing and publishing manuals that document the script programming language clearly and with numerous examples, why not simply "hit the books"? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!kgb!kevin.barkes From: kevin.barkes@kgb.com (Kevin Barkes) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem sh Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <941228104235598@kgb.com> Organization: Kevin G. 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Library, Pennsylvania, USA 15129-9735 * * OpenVMS Editor, DEC Professional Magazine * * Member, Editorial Review Board, Digital Systems Journal * From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 20:40:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dgis.dtic.dla.mil!! () From: () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 20:40:14 GMT Organization: Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC), Alexandria, VA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: sys_736.dtic.dla.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set for binary). Martin B. Isaksen misaksen@asc.dtic.dla.mil From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 21:00:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 21:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3dsjku$238@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>, wrote: >I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E >C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my >SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm >server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set >for binary). > It probably does not affect this problem, but the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). The most common reason for failed uploads is inadequate buffer capacity on the receiving end, probably the Penril device in this case, coupled with the lack of an effective means of flow control. Solution: reconfigure the communications server to have big buffers in the receiving direction as well as in the sending direction, and enable the most effective possible means of flow control (preferably RTS/CTS) between this device and the one it is most immediately connected to (presumably a modem). Same deal on the calling end. If the Penril and/or modem are unfixable, then use end-to-end Xon/Xoff flow control, which is less satisfactory as it is subject to latency and loss, and reduce Kermit's packet size until transfers start to work. If that's not it, then maybe we have a transparency problem, but let's try this approach first. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 16:20:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!info-server.bbn.com!news.bbn.com!clj From: clj@bbn.com (Chris Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: META key in MSKermit Date: 28 Dec 94 16:14:03 Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: unicorn.bbn.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:00:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:00:28 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 13 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi fellow Kermitters, I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos acting different, or should it not be??? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:17:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 28 Dec 1994 22:17:03 GMT Organization: Incredible Employees Assoc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought that there was some optimum window size and number. Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way over kill but optimum in all cases? Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial and error? Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. thanks -- Kendall Shaw "!" (415)364-1343 -- me kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:05:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: META key in MSKermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:05:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dsuh1$bn1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Jones wrote: >I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, >and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit >book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded >MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. > >A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers >are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is >frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and >I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have >to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. >Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? > I agree it would be nice to be able to assign arbitrary modifier functions (like Meta) to arbitrary keys (like Alt), but MS-DOS Kermit presently lacks this capability. But no, you don't have to write 128 SET KEYs because we've already done it for you in the EMACS.INI file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit, currently in Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Look in KEYBOARD subdirectory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:12:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:12:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One >persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to >transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of >working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, >then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? > No. >Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos >acting different, or should it not be??? > It isn't acting different. A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is the "called" one. The distinction is important because of what happens with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" IS the communication channel. When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:26:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:26:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <3dsvnt$crh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: >Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 >modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be >roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought >that there was some optimum window size and number. > If there was, we would make it the default for everybody. >Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way >over kill but optimum in all cases? > Because this can cause buffer overflows, network packet loss, etc. EVERY CONNECTION IS DIFFERENT! Even the same connection can be different from one moment to the next. >Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial >and error? > There is no formula. Each connection, each kind of box, each piece of wire, each kind of computer, each kind of modem, each operating system, each version of each of the preceding, etc etc, has its own peculiar characteristics. Bigger is not always better -- the curve tends to be bell-shaped, but on each connection the bell is a different shape. The best way to get your throughput up is probably to crank the window and packet sizes back down to conservative levels, say 4x1000 or so, and then read about control-character unprefixing in the documentation for the recent Kermit releases. That should get your ZIP file transfers over V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connections up to about 1600 cps. >Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better >in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. > V.42 is an error-correction protocol. It has little direct bearing on throughput -- you sort of have to view it as a block box. Whatever comes in one end is more-or-less-sort-of guaranteed to come out the other end, but it might take longer than you expect (due to retransmissions, retaining, etc, between the two modems). You probably mean V.42bis, which is a data compression protocol that rides over V.42 (or other reliable link layer). You are wondering: If my data file is already compressed, then aren't I making my modem work harder -- and therefore slowing it down -- if I ask it to compress the uncompressible? The answer is yes, but probably not very much -- probably less than 1%. Not enough to make it worth the time it takes for you to turn the feature off and on. Ditto for Kermit's own compression. Measurements show no significant difference in throughput with these features turned on and turned off. >I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 >and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. > How? Through a terminal server? You also might need to take a look at the terminal server's configuration. Make sure it has bidirectional RTS/CTS flow control enabled between itself and the modem. Turn off its Xon/Xoff flow control and all other kinds of per-character processing; some terminal servers have a command for this, such as Cisco's "terminal download". By the same token, make sure you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled between your PC and the modem is directly connected to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 02:31:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:31:54 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 45 Message-Id: References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local > Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is > the "called" one. So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which would be the remote then? > The distinction is important because of what happens > with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, > a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the > communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" > IS the communication channel. OK, sounds fine. I can see how that would make much since, but then the user can not cancel unless sitting at the hostterminal, right??? > When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the > local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you > do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is > in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer > display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Ok, how do you insure that the control-c's will work like c-kermit (remote mode)? > Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are > in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is > sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since > oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when > there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate this to another person. > - Frank Jeff Bishop From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:35:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Message-Id: <1994Dec28.203557.36129@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 94 20:35:56 MDT References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local >> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is >> the "called" one. > > So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which > would be the remote then? Your PC is in local mode. The BBS owner very definitely does NOT want you to break protocol mode and change states to something unknown. >> The distinction is important because of what happens >> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, >> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the >> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" >> IS the communication channel > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit > (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file > already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the > sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > > Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate > this to another person. Sure. READ THE SCREEN, if you are visually able to do so. Or get a friend to speak it. On the status line of the MS-DOS Kermit file transfer display screen, and discussed in the user's manual, is a legend explaining which keys to press to do a formal (nice, clean) protocol termination of just this file (X) or all files in this operation (Z) or stop the world abruptly (C) or more gently (E). Try it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 07:35:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Commodore C128 and Kermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 07:35:17 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3dtorl$13f@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in recommendations from C128 users as to which version of Kermit they find best. 1. CP/M Z80 Kermit 2. C64 Kermit 3. C128 Kermit 4. CKermit (Yes there is UNIX for the C128) From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 12:53:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!usenet From: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk (R Ghosh-Roy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / SLIP / PPP Date: 29 Dec 1994 12:53:21 GMT Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dubg1$7gm@izar.brunel.ac.uk> Reply-To: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: saturn.brunel.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be its a naive question but I would like to know which of the following three is best for my PCs talking to a SUN? 1. Kermit (whatever the latest version is) 2. SLIP 3. PPP 4. other Thanks, Rana PS: In future, I would also like to run X applications on my PC. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 15:19:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM3/COM4 Date: 29 Dec 1994 15:19:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3duk1r$j5a@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Keywords: thanks Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to end 1994 by complimenting Frank da Cruze and Joe Doupnik for the section on COM3/COM4 support in the MS-Kermit kermit.bwr file. It is the clearest, most cogent statement about an incredibly difficult subject that I have yet encountered. When I had the occasion to add COM3/COM4 support to some software I freely distribute (a blood glucose testing meter interface) I included kermit.bwr and recommended that prospective COM3/COM4 users of my software read it. Thanks, guys! Vic Abell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 19:16:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 Ready for Testing Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:16:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3e1m9j$f1q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Fri Dec 30, 1994, 16:20 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-16 include: . Fix command-line "-f filename" and related items. . More refinements to TCP/IP internals to better balance performance against impact on network, and to improve performance of SLIP and long-haul TCP/IP connections. . Allow passing of null strings to macros as {}. . Add Microcom QX/4232hs dialing script from Kevin Brott. . Fix \v(cps) to be usable as a variable in commands. . Add CPxxx.F08 fonts for use with longer screens. . Fix Hankaku-Katakana input (needed for Nikkei Telecom database). . Add documentation for Chinese to KERMIT.UPD. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 21:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 30 Dec 1994 13:33:19 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: > >sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > Uh, what's "Kerlite"? -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 04:30:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:30:47 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier on' doesn't do it. I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! If kermit wants to look for the presence of a DCE device, it should look at Data Set Ready (DSR), not a signal which shouldn't be present until connection. Any comments from anyone? BTW - I am sending this message by flipping to a DOS window and dialing out using MSKERMIT 3.01. This kermit doesn't get hung up on carrier :-) (excuse the pun). From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 13:47:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17156 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!oconnort From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 13:47:59 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3e3nef$ld2@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: > Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or > something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. Try "set carrier off" in your ckermod.ini file, in the OS/2 section. Worked great for me! --tim o'connor From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:26:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where's the last version ? Date: 31 Dec 1994 15:26:58 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? I gave a look at a lot of README files on columbia.edu and they are all talking of Mac version but apparently none is anymore available there. Thank you for your help. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 08:46:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 13:46:06 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens ---------- for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. Type ? or HELP for help Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... Installing patches... Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. --------------------------------------------- This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ... From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 09:10:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Message-Id: <1994Dec31.151033.36262@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 15:10:33 MDT References: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children > subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT > the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens > ---------- > for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having > only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): > > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > > Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. > --------------------------------------------- > > This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ------------- Just ignore the message. Betas change, preparing a legit Patch file is a lot of work, specific to that particular .exe file, and I'd rather spend time on other matters until we release the product. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 01:46:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!taylorj From: taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfers are too slow Date: 1 Jan 1995 01:46:42 GMT Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gaia.ecs.csus.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, but I am now a convert. Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, when it cycles back to one again. Some other misc. info: - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to those who have EC modems. I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. -Jon From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 03:22:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 03:22:16 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 16550. \|^) After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. So why am I using this bandwidth? 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a crude work-around. 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to remote takes a *long* time. 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow down in this fashion? Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:22:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Message-Id: <1994Dec31.202238.36269@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 20:22:38 MDT References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 86 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) writes: > > I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help > files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... > > Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, > v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer > (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to > swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). > This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change > the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just > refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, > but I am now a convert. > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work > correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length > set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in > throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and > windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error > correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with > compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window > setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks > will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of > [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries > occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and > one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one > more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the > number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the > whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the > cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, > when it cycles back to one again. > > Some other misc. info: > > - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The > Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. > > - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to > change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses > XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > > - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. > > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used > to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. > NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad > it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and > CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other > common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. > Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice > touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, > how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the > protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to > those who have EC modems. > I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why > I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. > > -Jon ----------------- You have two knobs to twist: "how much/packet length" and "time/window slots". Window slots cover up for delays of transmission and analysis time, by allowing the transmitter to continue sending before the receiver's ACKs arrive. Simply lengthening packets tries to cover up trasmission delays and analysis time by having fewer intervals between packets, and of course fewer header bytes to be exchanged too. But longer packets mean real buffering problems along the route, as you seem to have discovered. I suggest backing down some. Use smaller packets and at least two window slots. The product can be a few K bytes or less, depending on your particular site. Then that nasty flow control problem needs some probing, if possible. Your suggestions. Per packet window decorations cost performance, and "efficiency" figures apply only to serial port comms (and not very well to them these days with higher speeds on the DTE-DCE path than on the telco wires). We won't even consider turning off error detection: not only are modems not always error correcting, and never perfectly so even then, but there are a host of other causes of trouble, and you are assuming that checking is a serious performance penalty. Y-modem is hardly a protocol at all: it's a send & pray scheme. Speaking in harsh terms it is my feeling that secure file transfers are more important by far than either visual entertainment or games about the last bit/second; after all, within reason what is being transfered ought to be more important than the act of transferral. I hope you can sort out that horrid Xyplex terminal server problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 07:04:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:25:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:24:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: <1995Jan1.130459.36285@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jan 95 13:04:59 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion > board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a > non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial > port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS > 16550. \|^) > > After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' > Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to > either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in > the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I > don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have > commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). > > If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at > 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I > transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the > remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. > > So why am I using this bandwidth? I don't quite understand this last question. Your telco line is limited to 14,400 bps plus whatever compression can do (in Kermit, in the modem). 2600 cps is about 26,000 bps equivalent and that implies a compression of 2:1 (rather better than average). > 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial > command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to > return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops > before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a > crude work-around. That's a sure sign of hardware troubles (interrupts are lost, horribly for example). > 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to > remote takes a *long* time. Ditto. > 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a > very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The > screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in > between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & > looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. Flow control is the likely suspect and the other end thinks you have stopped the flow. Again, serious hardware problems can mess up serial port handshaking. > I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the > non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify > my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 > only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow > down in this fashion? Kermit will tell your about BIOSn. Just use SHOW COM to see it. SET PORT COM2 tells Kermit to use that port, and be sure there are no port-sensing commands before it (SHOW COM is a sensing command) so that the default COM1 is not touched by them. Try placing SET PORT COM2 near the top of file mskermit.ini to ensure that's the default port when the scripts run. "Non-standard hardware features" covers rather much territory and I hesitate to begin speculating what your computer really looks like at the hardware level. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 04:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: smartcomm script! wanted Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 04:48:00 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under kermit? I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to acknowledge kermit Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 10:46:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!ucsub.Colorado.EDU!glaserd From: glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 95 10:46:46 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsub.colorado.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #12 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. Thanx, Dave From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:35:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3e9a0r$fra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: >Uh, what's "Kerlite"? > KERLITE.EXE is a small-size edition of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It has no CONNECT command and no network support. It is designed to be used as an external Kermit protocol and/or script execution engine in BBS and other embedded applications. There is also a medium-sized edition called KERMITE.EXE, which includes text terminal emulation, but lacks graphics terminal emulation and network support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the last version ? Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:37:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-Id: <3e9a51$ft7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:08:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smartcomm script! wanted Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:08:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3e9but$h6e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Simon C.Hall wrote: >Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under >kermit? >I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to >acknowledge kermit > Did you try ULTRA144.SCR? That one is for Hayes Ultra 14400 bps modems, tested successfully on external models. Evidently you have an internal modem. First you have to give a SET PORT command to tell Kermit which port it's on, in case it is not on COM1. If you did that and it still doesn't work, then all the cautions about address and interrupt conflicts apply. Please read Section 6, "Troubleshooting MS-DOS Kermit Serial Port and Modem Problems", in the KERMIT.BWR file. By the way, an easy way to debug dialing troubles is to simply CONNECT to the port and type AT commands to the modem yourself. You don't *have* to use dialing scripts to dial. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:12:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:12:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Endo the river rat wrote: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. > Which Kermit programs are you using, and which version of each one? On what kind of computer? Using what connection method? etc etc. It's always a good idea to include a few relevant facts in trouble reports -- remember, there are hundreds of different Kermit programs running on probably thousands of different machine/OS/OS-version combinations. Anyway, the most likely explanation of the problem is that you failed to tell Kermit to transfer the files in binary mode. Kermit (unlike sz) uses text mode by default. Just tell (at least) the file sender to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY For safety (since you did not say what Kermit software you are using), give this command to both Kermit programs before starting the transfer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:00:37 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) writes: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. You have to tell both sides that the file is binary. On the unix side, add a -i flag to your kermit command line (or if you're talking to the C-Kermit> prompt, tell it "set file type binary" before "send" or "server"); on the Mac side (obviously what you're using) look under one of the menus for file transfer options and set the binary mode. (It's been a LONG time since I've used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if this requires 5A(190) or not...) Kermit won't eat your binaries if you tell it not to... GIGO, however.. warp eight bot, little froggy type dude Kermit. It's not just a file transfer anymore. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:18:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, Mark Foley wrote: >I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have >bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the >minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for >OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised >the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US >Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier >on' doesn't do it. > Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER OFF means to ignore carrier. >I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, >but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 >communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the >actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit >looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! > It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command in there a while back and forgot about it. Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:36:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:36:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <3e9dj0$ig6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, Jon M. Taylor wrote: >Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, >v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer >(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server ... > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work >correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length >set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in >throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and >windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error >correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with >compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window >setting than 1. >... >- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to >change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses >XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > Like it says in the documentation... tell C-Kermit on the host to "set flow none". It has a TCP/IP connection (TELNET or RLOGIN) to the terminal server, and the network protocol itself provides the flow control. Disabling Xon/Xoff in this situation should perk things up quite a bit. Second, make sure you have RTS/CTS enabled in MS-DOS Kermit on your PC *and* on your modem. Most of our high-speed dialing scripts take care of this automatically. I don't know a huge amount about Annexes, but I'll speculate that you are uploading. Many kinds of terminal servers were designed to have big buffers in the host-to-terminal direction and small ones in the opposite direction. This is bad for uploading files. At the very least, the system/network administrators must ensure an extremely effective and responsive method of flow control between the terminal server and the answering modem (preferably RTS/CTS). Better still, perhaps they can reconfigure the terminal servers to allocate buffer space more equitably. Or maybe the Annex has some kind of command that you can give at its prompt that will condition it for file transfers, similar to the Cisco terminal server's "terminal download" command. Finally, about the window size -- please read in the documentation about sliding windows. The file receiver will never use a window size greater than 1, even if a larger size has been SET and successfully negotiated, unless packets are lost or damaged. That's because normally packets arrive in their correct order and therefore each one is disposed of promptly as it arrives. > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used >to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. >NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad >it's out there. > Thanks. >A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and >CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other >common protocols do. > C-Kermit does this (when you use SET FILE DISPLAY FULLSCREEN), but generally speaking, size and efficiency are a bigger issue for MS-DOS Kermit, which must still run on 4.77MHz 8088s. Maybe some day this could be added as an option, but not in version 3.14. >Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, >how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the >protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to >those who have EC modems. > As Joe says, and has been explained repeatedly on many newsgroups, most recently on comp.dcom.modems, this would be a false economy. Even if modem connections could be regarded as 100% reliable and error-free, there are end-to-end issues of flow and error control, not to mention presentation issues, etc, that are beyond the modems' sphere of influence. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:43:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:43:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3e9dv7$isl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion >board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a >non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial >port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS >16550. \|^) > >After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, ... > Please try 3.14 Beta. There have been many improvements in the RS-232 (dealing with modem signals) area, which might affect your situation. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. >... >1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial >command to actually dialing the number. > This sounds like repeated flow-control failures and long timeout waits (about 15 seconds each). This probably means that Kermit has been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS prior to dialing, but that the modem has not been configured for RTS/CTS, or does not use it properly while in command mode. Try SET FLOW NONE during dialing, and then (if it works) change to SET FLOW RTS/CTS after dialing is complete. >2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to >remote takes a *long* time. > Again, it sounds like your modem is not asserting CTS at the time when CONNECT. Make sure Kermit and the modem are *both* set for RTS/CTS flow control. If that doesn't help, I'd say the modem is probably not working right -- or your cable does not connect the RTS and CTS terminals on each side to their counterparts on the other. >3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a >very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The >screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in >between. > Same deal, again. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:57:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC on kermit for oS/2 help needed??? Date: Mon, 02 Jan 1995 10:57:52 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 32 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get apc to work on ckermit 190 for OS/2. I am running ckermit 190 for os/2 using its network features, which are fantastic (thanks a lot for that). Here are the two unix scripts I use to try and do this: echo '_set file type binary, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 and echo '_set file type text, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 Now, the kermit.ini is like this: set delay 1 set window 4 set block 3 set receive packet-length 9024 SET RECEIVE PATH OFF set send packet-length 9024 set terminal apc on SET FILE COLL OVERWRITE SET FILE DISPLAY QUIET OK, ckermit 190 for OS/2 is in VT220 mode with APC turned on. If I run the script for the first time it simply returns me to the ckermit> prompt. I then have to connect and control-c out of ckermit on the unix box. I can then re-run the script the exact same way, and it works . Now, why is this? Keep in mind, both kermits are 190 level. I compiled the unix one just recently from the source on kermit.columbia.edu. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 09:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!unhf.unh.edu!jf_adams From: jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu (I've never met a Lasanga I didn't like - GARFIELD) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 2 Jan 1995 14:11 EST Organization: Comp. & Info. Services, University of New Hampshire Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unhf.unh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. I have a basic understanding of computers and use them a lot at work, but am not to familiar with kermit other then the basic aspect of transferring files and using it to make my a pc a dummy terminal for work (its a NEC pentium 66 mhz connecting to a VAX/VMS system at work). I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) Any tips/ideas/suggestions would be mucho apprecieated, Thanks Jonathan jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 08:29:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit auto DL/UL! Message-Id: <1995Jan2.142944.36328@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 95 14:29:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > After examining kermit packets closely a friend has determined two strings > that can be used to start kermit transfers automatically from {COMMO} (any > other term program for that matter). This is not using the APC logic described > in kermit.upd though. > > The two strings are: > > For upload I am using "^a# N3" download "^a5 S~". > > I have tested this and it works using msdos kermit on both sides. ----------- Only if a) Control-A is used as the start of packet character, and the checksum is correct b) this pattern can never exist in real data c) the other end is willing to send idle NAKs The S packet material is vital, is not nearly so short as you have describe, and must not be broken into pieces. Unfortunately, none of a..c is a requirement. Maybe your friend should also examine the protocol specs carefully to see the variations. In general, there is no safe pattern. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 20:51:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 15:51:02 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute, New York University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: murray.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:52:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:52:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 177 Message-Id: <3ea748$b7b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu>, wrote: >Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file faq.txt. >Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? > Listed below. >I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem >on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR that comes on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette, the section about PC serial ports and internal modems. It will tell what you need to know. >I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up >transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but >would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) > If it doesn't use a nonstandard address or IRQ, and if there is no IRQ conflict, just tell Kermit to "set port com3". If that doesn't do it, then please read the aforementioned file. For increasing packet sizes and other methods of making file transfers go faster, please read the aforementioned FAQ. KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:56:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:56:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ea7cc$bb6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: >I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set >the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As >F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case >in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. > Prior to C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1, the file transfer mode, text or binary, was ALWAYS governed by the file sender (as long as both Kermits supported and had successfully negotiated the use of File Attribute packets and the "file type" attribute). The file sender tells the file receiver the transfer mode, and the file receiver switches accordingly, automatically. In the new versions, but only when the two Kermit programs have a client/server relationship, it is the *client* that determines the transfer mode, no matter whether it is sending or receiving. This change was made by popular demand, to address the following scenario: 1. User starts remote Kermit, puts it in server mode. 2. User escapes back to local Kermit and tells it to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY GET OOFA.ZIP Previously, OOFA.ZIP would arrive in text mode. Now it arrives in binary mode. Please read the KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit 5A(190)) for a fuller explanation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 23:55:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 15:55:33 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eco5l$bbu@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Glenn R. Stone wrote: > >used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the >MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on >the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if >this requires 5A(190) or not...) > It does. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 00:30:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!netnews.whoi.edu!whsun1!dhiltz From: dhiltz@whsun1.whoi.edu (David Hiltz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:30:51 GMT Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ecq7r$do@pearl.whoi.edu> References: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: whsun1.wh.whoi.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David A. Berk (dab@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account : and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could : upload and download to. Any help appreciated. MenuPerl gives you simple menuing capability. You are going to have your Procomm users log onto a Unix host and run a menu program? If so, menuperl will do the job. ----------- David Hiltz dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu Network System Administrator Northeast Fisheries Science Center ######&@&###### From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:16:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:16:29 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ed0dt$d5g@rigel.infinet.com> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, : Mark Foley wrote: : > (stuff deleted) : >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or : >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have : >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier : >on' doesn't do it. : > : Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to : the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means : to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during : CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of : course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER : OFF means to ignore carrier. : It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or : CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command : in there a while back and forgot about it. : Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years : ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. : - Frank Thanks for the tips. I was confused about the ON/OFF meaning in SET CARRIER. I though SET CARRIER ON meant SET the CARRIER ON (or act like is set on, anyway). There is no SET CARRIER ... in either CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI. SET CARRIER AUTO still gave me the same problem. However, SET CARRIER OFF works just fine. I am writing this via OS/2 Kermit. I will get version 5A(190) ASAP. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:54:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: Gianluca Attura Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:54:01 GMT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. Regargs Luca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 18:28:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!not-for-mail From: dab@cnj.digex.net (David A. Berk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 3 Jan 1995 13:28:04 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could upload and download to. Any help appreciated. thanks; -- David Barak dab@cnj.digex.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 04:44:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit newbie Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:44:34 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please bear with my ignorance... I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many retries' message. Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). Thanks for your time and patience private e-mail preferred Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on Cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 19:10:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com!shapiro From: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing with kermit Followup-To: comp.software.testing Date: 3 Jan 1995 19:10:48 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Keywords: kermit testing Originator: shapiro@clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2977 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package known as kermit. Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient to "automate" tasks. Works rather well, Commands that complete quickly work great. Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the process. I've discovered that REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: "Sent too many NAKs" Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of quick executing commands and long executing commands. All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. small sample of a test script: ; SET NETWORK TCP/IP LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ who~sam~si~s& ]> \ jobs~s~-l ]> \ who~sam~si ]> quit ; SET HOST Anybody got any bright ideas? David Shapiro shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com PPS IBM Corp (914) 432-8018 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 16:01:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!zib-berlin.de!irz401!not-for-mail From: ss5@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Schwigon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 3 Jan 1995 17:01:45 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Reply-To: schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de Nntp-Posting-Host: irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the `get' command on a file? (Actually I split the file into a lot of small parts and use `set file collision discard'. But I still have to delete the last broken file.) Maybe this is a FAQ, so please write where I can find the FAQ. (Greeti+Tha)nX Steffen -- Steffen Schwigon schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de WWW: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ss5 fingerprint: AB FD 87 DF 3F 84 F0 3A E4 8B EB 09 CF 4B E3 94 PGP-public-key: mail me with `Subject: SEND-PGP-KEY' or finger me From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:09:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eea7n$h22@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de>, Steffen Schwigon wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the >Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes >the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the >`get' command on a file? > Yes. The new releases of Kermit software (some of them still in Beta) -- C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (Beta), and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 (Beta) -- allow a binary-mode file transfer to be resumed from the point of failure. Simply RESEND the file. See the appropriate update notices for details: KERMIT.UPD for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, ckcker.upd for C-Kermit, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:28:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing with kermit Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 129 Message-Id: <3eebb1$igb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit testing Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2980 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1530 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package >known as kermit. > It's not public domain. Read the copyright notice. >Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network >with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient >to "automate" tasks. > >Works rather well, >Commands that complete quickly work great. >Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the >process. I've discovered that >REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 >will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: >"Sent too many NAKs" > This type of message appears when a file transfer fails. A NAK (Negative Acknowledgement) occurs when an expected packet does not arrive within the specified (or default) timeout interval, or when it arrives in damaged condition (e.g. back checksum). The only "commands" that time out are file transfers and other protocol- driven operations (client/server stuff) and script programming commands that expect certain inputs within a specified or default amount of time. You can control protocol-related timeouts with the SET { SEND, RECEIVE } TIMEOUT command. { REMOTE } SET SERVER TIMEOUT controls only one thing: whether Kermit, when in server mode, sends periodic NAKs while waiting for commands, i.e. when it is doing nothing. These NAKs are normally not needed, but if the Kermit program on the other end is not capable of timing out (e.g. early versions, circa 1981, of CP/M Kermit), then this would be the only way to break the deadlock that would occur if a server command packet sent by a non-timing-out client were to be lost in transit. >Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of >quick executing commands and long executing commands. >All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands >with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. > All you have to do is read the manual. >small sample of a test script: > >; SET NETWORK TCP/IP >LOG SESSION output.out >SET HOST node >script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ >who~sam~si~s& ]> \ >jobs~s~-l ]> \ >who~sam~si ]> quit > In this example, you are using the old uucp-style SCRIPT command, which is not the best way to write scripts because it is cryptic, limited, and inflexible. There is a much more readable, powerful, and flexible script programming language that is documented in chapters 11-13 of the manual (see below). It lets you (for example) specify an explicit timeout on each item. Your example above might be recoded as something like this: LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node SET INPUT ECHO ON ; (or OFF, as you wish) INPUT 20 gin: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get Login prompt} OUTPUT root\13 INPUT 5 word: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get password prompt} SET INPUT TIMEOUT QUIT INPUT 30 ]> OUTPUT who\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT date\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT who am i\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT jobs -l\13 >Anybody got any bright ideas? > Read the manual? Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank P.S. I sympathize with people who don't like the SCRIPT command. Once the INPUT/OUTPUT/IF/GOTO/FOR/WHILE/etc style of script programming was added to C-Kermit in version 5A, I was tempted to yank it out, but of course I could not because many people depended on it. People who want to write new scripts, however, are encouraged to use the new features rather than the old SCRIPT command unless they are totally comfortable with the SCRIPT command and its limitations. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:35:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3eebnd$ivm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura wrote: >I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. > Long packets are not new. They are documented in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. The *use* of long packets is documented in the user manuals for each Kermit program, such as "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit". APC capabilities are relatively recent. They are documented in the update notes that come with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later (KERMIT.UPD), C-Kermit 5A(190) or later (CKERMIT.INF for OS/2, ckcker.upd for UNIX, VMS, etc). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:39:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit newbie Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:39:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3eebv4$j5f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using >a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. > >When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I >enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many >retries' message. > >Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an >enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). > When the "UNIX shell comes up C-Kermit>", that's called a prompt. Just above the prompt it said: Type ? or HELP for help Did you try that? In any case, if you think about it for a second, if you want to download a file, you have to tell the software the name of the file to be downloaded. So, for example, if the file's name was "oofa.txt", you would type, in response to the C-Kermit> prompt: send oofa.txt Then you would instruct your terminal program to receive the file. Obviously (I hope), you must also instruct your terminal program to use Kermit protocol. For further information, please read the pertinent manuals. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 15:35:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP support? Date: 4 Jan 1995 15:35:11 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Keywords: PPP, Kermit, TCP/IP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works great. However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something wrong? BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:42:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!night.primate.wisc.edu!kbad.eglin.af.mil!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Control: cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:42:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3eej4p$5i6@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:47:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:47:11 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) to tackle today's problem. I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for resetting colors, right? :^) andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 22:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 22:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ef8ap$71c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, A. Andrew Brennan wrote: > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) > From the KERMIT.UPD for version 3.14: SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 If Kermit receives a "reset visual attributes" escape sequence (CSI 0 m) from the host, this does not affect the screen coloration. However, some applications expect it to restore the default fore- and background colors. SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 tells Kermit to do this. v3.14. By the way, if you have any official DEC documentation that says this should be the default behavior, we'd like to see it. Our DEC VT manuals list the actions to be taken on CSI 0 m very explicitly, and none of them affect the coloration. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 23:25:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Message-Id: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Date: 4 Jan 95 18:25:24 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 02:58:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner>, Scott Burns wrote: >While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit >C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: > >Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 > >Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all >DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think >those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? > >scott >burns@eisner.decus.org OS2SM is a library that WinNT 3.5 does not provide. Therefore, C-Kermit will not work on Windows NT. Unfortunately, you will have to wait for an NT specific version. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 12:25:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 05 Jan 1995 12:25:15 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using the regular MSDOS kermit under Windows NT, and if you don't try to push it too hard it works fine (I notice a tendency of it to drop characters if I try any speed faster than 19.2K). Presumably a native version for NT would have less emulation overhead and could run at much higher speeds, but the DOS version is fine for me. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 15:12:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 10:12:14 -0500 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is needed? Thanks for any help. .---John D. Laessig-------.-------------------------------------------. | Physics Building #16 | Email Address: jl0h@lehigh.edu | | Lehigh University | | `---Bethlehem, PA 18015---^-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 18:47:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!brs From: brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Bernd Seitter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit problems Date: 5 Jan 1995 18:47:16 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: reggae.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Keywords: MacKermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hoi ! i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. the script looks like this : open read foo.bar read \%a echo \%a the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this this is test end of test MacKermit 0.99(190) 11/26/93 16:12 behaves like this : when running the script : Unknown IO error : -51 zclose(): i dont know what kind of file this is : 9 MacKermit 0.991(190) 08/19/94 10:01 behaves like this : when running the script : i'm transfered to MacBugs : mberto+00A2 (by the way : this happens everytime i try to run a script, even the script contains only a comment ...) on the command line everything works fine with this version of kermit (0.991(190)). any ideas or help out there ? thank you very much !! -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 21:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: MacKermit problems Message-Id: Keywords: MacKermit Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 21:23:00 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Bernd Seitter wrote: >hoi ! > >i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. > >the script looks like this : > open read foo.bar > read \%a > echo \%a > >the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this > > this is test > end of test > I had similar problems with OpenVMS Kermit and the problem was resolved by doing a... set file type text before opening the file. It may or may not be the same problem. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 23:29:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ehvcr$fbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, JOHN DONALD LAESSIG wrote: >Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with >ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is >needed? > Configure each PC's Kermit program for TCP/IP according to the instructions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 17. On one PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp *", which means wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, and then "server" to put it in Kermit server mode. Then on the other PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp xxxx", where xxxx is the IP address of the first PC, and then just give it SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, and similar commands. You can even transfer entire directory trees from one PC to another in this way. Use the XSEND utility that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit (or at least it will be supplied with version 3.14 -- in earlier versions it was on a separate "utilities" diskette). You can ftp the XSEND utility from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, files msixse.*. The binary is in kermit/bin/msixse.exe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 04:21:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Message-Id: <1995Jan5.102140.36604@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 95 10:21:40 MDT References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes: > Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with > ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is > needed? ------------ Yes, and not only using TCP/IP but also NetBIOS and some other networking channels. One is placed in Telnet listen mode, SET PORT TCP *, the other is a regular client. For file transfer put the listener in Kermit SERVER mode. It's in the manuals and release notes. Try the 3.14 beta; it's really fast between PCs this way (I clock about 70KB/sec between 486's). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 07:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.132932.36513@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 13:29:32 MDT References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes: > Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty > "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) > to tackle today's problem. > > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) ----------- Display attributes, the CSI Pn; Pn..; Pn m command, lacks color information. Read what attributes are being controlled and the matter should be clearer. The ANSI.SYS TSR for DOS has little relationship with the comms world. But many of us have used it for color information in lieu of an acceptable substitute. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta has a command to zap colors to defaults upon a CSI m; use SET TERM COLOR ? to see, or read the docs in the beta archive file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 05:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP support? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.110017.36484@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 11:00:17 MDT References: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu>, luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) writes: > I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the > UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal > server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the > packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the > connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works > great. > > However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the > Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I > set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters > (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, > CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that > mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something > wrong? > > BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, > V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s > for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I > have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive > packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). > On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -------------- As we've mentioned a number of times here and in the docs, MS-DOS Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack works with a) Packet Drivers which present either an Ethernet (DIX flavor) or SLIP interface, b) Novell ODI drivers, including SLIP_PPP, c) Telebit's PPP drivers (Packet Driver flavor and ODI flavor). There is no such thing as a standardized top level interface for PPP drivers. Every one is vastly different, and almost completely undoc'd. I wish I could say something nice about Merit's Etherppp package, but to be honest it has never ever run here. It hangs my PC every time as it initializes, well before Kermit enters the picture, and I do know what I'm about in PCs. I think you will find the next beta has better SLIP performance, but it's rather awkward for me to explore this locally. A lot, and that does mean a lot, of work has been done to minimize the number of packets appearing on the wires so that SLIP and PPP may work well. There is a tradeoff between fewest packets and greatest throughput in the face of packet losses, yet SLIP/PPP wants both. There are no canned cures for these conflicting requirements. And that means I won't entertain any silly bits/sec contest such as we see with straight serial comms; it's just not that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 15:57:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 95 21:57:03 MDT References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: > I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new > Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. --------------- APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 20:50:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!stimpy.eecis.udel.edu!alexandr From: alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Server & Con Redirection Date: 6 Jan 1995 20:50:40 GMT Organization: Mos Eisley Candy Store Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stimpy-fddi.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these questions? As always, all help is appreciated and thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> alexandr@louie.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@chopin.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 14:24:36 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, I use RUN MODE 80,50 to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 to preserve the 50 status line. when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to 50 rows? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 19:48:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:48:52 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand it if I did. I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me. --- Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP monty@indirect.com James_T.._Monty.ANDERSEN_WO@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 22:38:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!hookup!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jeanlaur From: jeanlaur@cat.syr.EDU (Pierre Jean-Laurent) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 06 Jan 1995 22:38:05 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if possible) via e-mail. Thank you, Pierre Jean-Laurent jeanlaur@mailbox.syr.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 21:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Date: 7 Jan 1995 21:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Message-Id: <3en0uk$ls5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Jim Monty wrote: >DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > Thank you for consulting the documentation. >I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, >using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 >terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page >CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may >assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > >Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves >as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results >in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on >the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these >exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my >dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other >terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this >way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > >I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit >configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never >really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out >myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in >advance, for taking the time to help me. > >Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP > Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT). As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace. The terminal emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key. Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed as "^?". Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters: 0/8 BS (Backspace). A one-active-position format effector that moves the position backward on the same line. 7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an erroneous or unwanted character... In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command. The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the key. Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\). The scan code for the Backspace key is \270. The default definition for this key is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL. You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the desired key or key combination. Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS (Backspace) -- for destructive backspace. Consulting the ASCII table on page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8. So to make PC's Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command: SET KEY \270 \8 If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit. But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace. You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from one to another: SET KEY \270 \8 ; Backspace sends BS or: SET KEY \270 \127 ; Backspace sends DEL or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this. In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM. The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL. The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used. You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. To use a macro, just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt. Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need to be changed when you switch between the two. You could write two macros such as these: define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8 define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127 And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type "unix". Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 22:32:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Date: 7 Jan 1995 22:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3en4pr$o7l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Cc: In article , Pierre Jean-Laurent wrote: >I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit >on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect >command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow >(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works >fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if >possible) via e-mail. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.13 or later. There is a big section on this. You have to make sure you are telling Kermit to use the right COM port, and that, if it is not COM1 or COM2, what its address and interrupt are, and that there are no interrupt conflicts. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:04:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 06:04:39 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: >> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. >--------------- > APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. >Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as >new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: >the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced >in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. > Joe D. Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the 'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 10:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.163118.36910@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 16:31:18 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >>> >>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >>> mode. > > [snip] > >> It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you >> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. >> I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the >> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . >> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run >> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. >> CTTY is less than inadequate. >> Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There >> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such >> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running >> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply >> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is >> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. >> If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. >> Joe D. > > I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. > All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there > any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, > so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I > suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I > would like to get kermit to do this if it can. > > I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory > and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is > there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM > that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct > serial link instead of a modem? ----------------- It's called SERVER mode, a standard feature of Columbia Kermits since day one. Rather than go though a long explaination of this may I recommend reading about it in the user's manual, the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" book. It is very simple to use: Kermit command SERVER, at the minimum. Protection features are available too, via ENABLE/DISABLE, and even a SET SERVER command to add a little more control. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica.cica.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 06:38:25 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific kermit program on SCO Unix. I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. 1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block check is? 2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? 3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long packet lengths? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 09:21:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Message-Id: <-3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Control: cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:21:58 GMT Approved: news@news.iastate.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 16:56:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3ejsoh$phe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) writes: >I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... >SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific > kermit program on SCO Unix. The provided makefile compiles Kermit source to "wermit", to give a test version which won't overwrite the production "kermit". The System Admin is supposed to rename it to "kermit" when satisfied with it. > I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. > >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? Block check is the same as Checksum. Kermit Crosstalk set block 1 checksum single set block 2 checksum double set block 3 checksum CRC If they don't match, you'll get: >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? It could be, but non-matching Checksum parameters will cause it. I don't know what parts of the Kermit protocol Crosstalk implements. When I used to run Windows on my PC, I used MS-Kermit in a DOS Full-Screen session as my terminal emulator. It was very compatible with the C-Kermit on the Unix boxes, and was free! (Now running OS/2 so have C-Kermit at both ends). You'll have to check your Crosstalk documentation to see what it supports. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:49:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:49:06 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? `Block' and `packet' are synonyms. They're interchangable. The `checksum' setting in your modem software is the same as the `block check' setting in the Kermit program. Here's the correspondence: single checksum -> block check 1 double checksum -> block check 2 CRC -> block check 3 Generally, if you're playing with long packets, you should always use CRC/block check 3. >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? If your software supports it (many don't), setting a window size of 8 or 16 with 1k or 2k packets is typically faster than trying to use very long packets. Dunno why your transfer would quit after 1 error. If you want good Kermit performance, you might consider getting a copy of MS-Kermit for your PC. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:31:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!wanda.pond.com!not-for-mail From: getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Problem? Date: 6 Jan 1995 12:49:26 -0500 Organization: FishNet Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wanda.pond.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: parity, duplex, handshake etc. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank You. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:19:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!hopper.acm.org!ACM.ORG!JEY From: jey@ACM.ORG (Justin E. York (ANT)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need Zmodem for AXP/OpenVMS Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:19:30 GMT Organization: ACM Network Services Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ek1ji$rnv@hopper.acm.org> Reply-To: jey@ACM.ORG Nntp-Posting-Host: acm.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I know that this is a kermit newsgroup, however I'm hoping that some of the readers of this group will know where I can find a commercial (or freebie) zmodem package. We run a DEC AXP with Open VMS 6.1. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail responses to "JEY@ACM.ORG". Thanks in advance, Justin York __ +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | Justin E. York | JEY@ACM.org * (817) 776-5695 | | (Guarants) | Applied Network Technologies | +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:35:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3ek2h7$3df@news.halcyon.com> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? These two items correspond to one another. Your Crosstalk comm. software refers to as "checksum" what kermit refers to as "block-check". Kermit Crosstalk ------ ----- set block-check 1 checksum single set block-check 2 checksum double set block-check 3 checksum CRC --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 07:15:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem? Message-Id: <1995Jan6.131522.36806@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 13:15:22 MDT References: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com>, getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) writes: > Hello: > > I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. > > I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully > connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a > file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using > C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several > retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, > flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried > changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control > to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC > regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: > parity, duplex, handshake etc. > > What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? ------------- Maybe the above isn't the problem. Could you relate what message is displayed when MSK gives up, and more importantly what commands you issued on both ends to accomplish the file transfer (which is where the problem resides according to my crystal ball). Finally, the Sun end needs adequate flow control too, or it can/will overrun it's attached modem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:24:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162450.36823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:24:50 MDT References: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, > > I use > > RUN MODE 80,50 > > to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 > to preserve the 50 status line. > > when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back > to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to > 50 rows? --------------------- Because that's not a real video mode but rather a combination of actions: change the fonts to 8x8 yet retain a video mode of 3 (normal color 0x25) for video sync, change the Bios work area to say 50 lines. It's a hack. I don't know how your adapter got into such a state and thus I (MSK) can't return it to that state. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:27:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162705.36824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:27:05 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, > using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 > terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page > CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may > assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > > Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves > as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results > in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on > the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these > exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my > dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other > terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this > way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > > I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit > configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never > really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out > myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in > advance, for taking the time to help me. ----------- SET KEY. Reread the manual on the matter. Define the Backspace key to send whatever is needed by the remote host. Control-H is Backspace, BS, decimal 8. DEL, Delete, is decimal 127. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:36:40 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server > mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. > However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. > Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. > On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from > the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. > Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not > really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to > redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. > > Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty > clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's > ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these > questions? ------------- It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. CTTY is less than inadequate. Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Message-Id: <1995Jan6.232517.36863@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 23:25:17 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jeanlaur@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Pierre Jean-Laurent) writes: > Hi, > > I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit > on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect > command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow > (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works > fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if > possible) via e-mail. --------------- It's a "talk but not listen" situation, which is described at length in the release notes. In short, your machine's configuration is in need of adjustment. Please get the MS*.BWR and MS*.UPD text files from dir kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Don't let the machine win the war just because it's won this particular battle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:14:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 8 Jan 1995 17:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ep6go$nue@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the >'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? > Eventually. Along with 50,000 other things, this is on our list. Between designing, writing, and documenting the software, handling untold numbers of tech-support requests each day, trying to keep this newsgroup going as a useful and informative forum, RAISING FUNDS (hint hint), and generally doing our best to keep the ship afloat and on course, a lot of things take more time than we'd like them to. There are only a few of us doing all this work. Right now we're trying to get the new releases of MS-DOS Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit finished. We try to focus on those items that benefit the most people, and simultaneously promote the continued health of the Kermit effort itself. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:22:29 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. Martin From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 14:34:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Grabbing text from a remote session Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 14:34:38 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. The process of entering the support call generates a sequence number for that call that needs to be given back to our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears on the screen when the information is being entered. Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the session to a file and then read it back from that file, but I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use to file away the remotes responses?? Are there any other suggestions on how this could be accomplished? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 20:26:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Message-Id: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Date: 5 Jan 95 15:26:11 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Unfortunately I require C-Kermit. Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get C-Kermit working under NT ? Last I heard someone had reserved the ck? letter for NT. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:16:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Grabbing text from a remote session Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:16:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3epdlo$232@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer >and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. >The process of entering the support call generates a sequence >number for that call that needs to be given back to >our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears >on the screen when the information is being entered. > >Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the >screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the >session to a file and then read it back from that file, but >I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab >it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use >to file away the remotes responses?? > There are numerous approaches, none of them pretty. You are deeply into the area we know as "screen scraping". First of all, LOG SESSION should, indeed, work during script execution, as well as in CONNECT mode. So the brute-force approach is to LOG SESSION and then grovel through the session-log file afterwards to find the sacred number, either by hand or by program. Well, if it can be done by program, that means there is some pattern that allows you to locate the number. If that is true, then you can also use INPUT or MINPUT commands in your Kermit script to locate (say) the thing that comes just before or just after the number, and then you can pull the number out of the \v(input) buffer by using string functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, in a Kermit script program. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3epe2n$2in@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: >How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to >open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file >handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? >Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. > As described in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 232, the variable \v(ttyfd) contains the open file descriptor of the communication channel, which can be either a serial device or a TCP/IP connection (or, in the case of SunLink X.25, an X.25 connection). If your communication application accepts an arbitrary file descriptor, then you can pass it via this variable. Otherwise, you can use the redirection capabilities of certain shells, notably ksh, to redirect the fd to your communication program's stdin/stdout. Version 5A(190), the current release of C-Kermit, includes a new REDIRECT command that starts a given program with its stdin/stdout redirected to C-Kermit's open communications channel. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 06:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 12:11:09 CST References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >> mode. [snip] > It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you > hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. > I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the > net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . > If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run > DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. > CTTY is less than inadequate. > Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There > are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such > as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running > in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply > into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is > not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. > If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. > Joe D. I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I would like to get kermit to do this if it can. I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct serial link instead of a modem? Thanks for any replies, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 20:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!access4.digex.net!cmilton From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Avatex 2400E modem info Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 15:23:29 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My library received an Avatex 2400E modem as a gift with no documentation. We haven't found an address or phone number for Avatex. We need at least some idea what the dialing codes are for this thing. Any help would be appreciated. All the info I have: uses RJ11C outlet and DB-25 RS-232-C female port indicator lights Power TR SD RD HS CD OH AA Communications Canada # 875 3075 A Ringer Equiv 0.7B DOC load # 6 Serial Number 1310065 Made in Thailand --- Christopher M Milton cmilton@access.digex.net Arlington (VA) Central Library (703) 358-5945 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 22:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!usenet From: kubat@polymer.kth.se (Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exit on NO CARRIER Date: 8 Jan 1995 22:59:41 GMT Organization: KTH Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3epqot$cra@news.kth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: kubat.physchem.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Friends, Is there anyone who can tell me how to get a Kermit script to exit Kermit when NO CARRIER. I have a script that automatically dials selected numbers and connect with password and everything, but when the connection is over I have to press ALT-X. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 23:01:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!news.ifm.liu.se!news.lysator.liu.se!pi92mti From: pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: long block protocol Date: 08 Jan 1995 23:01:03 GMT Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. Soft Center, Ronneby Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.pt.hk-r.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? Where can I get information on it? -- Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 12:46:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: long block protocol Message-Id: <1995Jan8.184629.37000@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jan 95 18:46:29 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) writes: > What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? > Where can I get information on it? > > -- > Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se ----------- I think you mean long packets, since in Kermit-speak "block" refers to the kind of checksum. Long packets are a standard part of the Kermit protocol, have been since goodness knows when (going on a decade, +/- 5%). It's not a protocol b t a feature of the Kermit protocol. For the rules on the matter please see the official reference: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 1987, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 02:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 Ready for Testing Date: 9 Jan 1995 02:57:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3eq8mc$g4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, Jan 8, 1995, 9:50pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-17 include: . A macro which is invoked with no arguments now (once again) sees its argc value as 1, rather than 10. . SET STOP-BITS { 1, 2 } added to accommodate devices that really do need 2 stop bits. Yes, there really is at least one (it's a lathe). . SET FOSSIL DISABLE-ON-CLOSE { OFF, ON } allows control of whether fossil driver is "deinitialized" by Kermit upon close or exit. See KERMIT.UPD for details. . Dialing script added for MegaHertz/Telepath PCMCIA V.32bis data/fax modem. . More TCP/IP performance tweaks. . A Telnet options negotiation bug that was introduced in Beta-17 is fixed. . A problem with the TAKE command finding files when full path not given, fixed. . Minor bug with TAKE files whose last line is not properly terminated, fixed. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 06:05:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 06:05:57 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. The suns uses c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). 1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? 2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on the Unix system? Sorry if I have not used the right tech terms By the way, thankyou for fixing the mail command in mskermit. I think that I one of the few people on earth who uses that function. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 13:55:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 13:55:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-Id: <3erf8q$1rl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Initialization, Telnet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. > The suns uses >c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). >1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in >c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me >to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. > Yes, all of the above, as explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". The recommended method is to install the standard C-Kermit initialization file, .kermrc, in your home directory, and then create a .mykermrc file, also in your home directory, containing the desired customization commands. For those who don't like the standard .kermrc file (which sets up such items as your services directory, dialing directory, etc), just make a .kermrc file. >How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? > See above. You can also tell C-Kermit to use any file at all as its initialization file, using the -y command-line option: kermit -y filename And at any time C-Kermit is showing its prompt, you can tell it to execute commands from a file: C-Kermit> take filename And you can define macros and execute them like so: C-Kermit> define fast set rec packet-length 2000, set window 4 C-Kermit> fast And you can put the macro definitions in your initialization file or any other file that you can "take". All of this is explained in the manual. >2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of >kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those >telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit >into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit >to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on >the Unix system? > You mean, after dialing up to your Unix system, you want to know why you might want to use C-Kermit instead of telnet to connect to another system on the Internet? The advantages include: . Kermit is more user-friendly ("help", "?", command and filename completion, etc). . The telnet implementation works in some cases where regular telnet does not. . Kermit has scripting (automation) capability; telnet does not. . Kermit has (in the UNIX version, a limited form of) key mapping; telnet doesn't. . Kermit can convert among many different character sets, telnet can't. . Kermit has session logging, telnet doesn't. . Kermit can make 8-bit telnet connections; some telnet clients can't. . Kermit can transfer files over a telnet connection, telnet can't. The last point is important in the increasing number of cases where the telnetted-to host or service does not provide ftp; e.g. Internet BBSs, or Internet versions of commercial dialup services. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 23:21:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.oleane.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 00:21:10 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type 8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) are used to do it on any Mac. As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. Is this possible ? What should I do ? May I do (write, program) it ? Thanx for any hint. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:05:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:02:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!billmaly From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:08:23 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where might I find it? Any help is appreciated. -- Bill Maly billmaly@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:48:20 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3et734$jg8@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote: : I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my : DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where : might I find it? Any help is appreciated. : -- : Bill Maly : billmaly@iastate.edu ftp to kermit.columbia.edu in directory /kermit/test/bin get the file mstibm.zip This is the latest beta version. I also suggest that you get the manual "Using Ms-Dos Kermit" 2nd edition by Christine M. Gianone Digital press $34.95 isbn 1-55558-082-3 You may also want the Manual for Unix it is "Kermit: a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz $29.95 To order these directly from the publisher dial 1 800 344 4825 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 14:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 14:00:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3eu3up$e8p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type >8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) >are used to do it on any Mac. > >As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the >screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: >displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. > You should be able to do it. Please read the ckmker.bwr file that accompanies Mac Kermit 0.991(190). You will see there are many shortcomings in the international character-set support, but it still can be done. You have to tell Kermit (in the Terminal settings) to allow 8-bit characters, and you have to select Latin-1 as the character-set. The big problem is with entering 8-bit characters. Since Mac Kermit's font is not a regular system font, but rather a built-in one, you can't use Keycaps in the normal way, which is frustrating. Nevertheless, you should be able to enter 8-bit characters in the normal way, provided you have not done anything to the Alt (Option?) key in the Modifiers dialog of the Key Settings menu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 18:54:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:49:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:48:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Strange characters Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:54:40 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect to my an RS/6000 running AIX. When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times in the past with no ill effects. What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application that I ran. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 01:15:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Date: 11 Jan 1995 01:15:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) >over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect >to my an RS/6000 running AIX. > Which version of AIX? >When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes >complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once >normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit >caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times >in the past with no ill effects. > First you have to tell us what you are using for a terminal or terminal emulator. Then you would need to describe the garbage in greater detail. Is it a jumble of line- and box-drawing characters? Or is it a lot of accented letters? >What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, >or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? > >It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, >and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application >that I ran. > First, carefully check your terminal type in AIX. Be sure it is not AIXTERM! If it is, change it to vt-whatever (depending on your terminal or emulator). Next, be sure to tell C-Kermit to: set terminal bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 as described in the manual, for accessing an 8-bit application like Lynx (or rn, or trn, etc). Finally, depending on exactly what kind of text you are accessing with Lynx, and what your terminal or emulator is, be sure to set either C-Kermit or your terminal (emulator) for the proper character-set translations. If this is not enough to get things working for you, send me e-mail with the details and maybe a session log. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 12:38:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!zeus!glald From: glald@zeus.bris.ac.uk (AL. Davies) Subject: Is there an FAQ ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:38:13 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? I'd like to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. Any help greatly appreciated! Cheers, Alastair Davies University of Bristol U.K. alastair.davies@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 13:47:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!senior.nectec.or.th!morakot!sompop From: sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 13:47:50 GMT Organization: National Electronics and Computer Technology Center, Bangkok Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: morakot.nectec.or.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. The TERM environment is set to VT320. DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared after redraw screen. Thanks, Sompop Kumnoonsate sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:20:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ? Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:20:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3f0pfi$4b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , AL. Davies wrote: >I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. >I'd like >to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, >and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer >the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. > This is not covered in the FAQ because it is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:43:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3f0qpq$63u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Status line Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, Sompop Kumnoonsate wrote: >Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? > It is, by default. >I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. >The TERM environment is set to VT320. >DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character >will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first >line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be >disappeared after redraw screen. > The vt320 has 24 regular lines and one status line. The status line should not be addressed by regular cursor-positioning commands like [25;1H, but rather by: CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Check your vt320 termcap entry. There are items such as "hs, "ds", "es", "fs", "ts", and "ws" that are used to handle the status line. Note that Kermit protects its status line from ordinary screen operations. It does not scroll, it does not disappear when the screen is cleared, etc. However, Kermit does allow the status line to be addressed directly by the host via [25;xH, because this is commonly used by host applications like sysline, etc. Some OTHER applications apparently rely on the fact that if you address a line (row) number that is greater than the actual number of lines, that the cursor will go to the last line. (One program that absolutely relies on this fact is "resize".) The problem comes in when we address "last line plus one" -- the purpose of this direct addressing is ambiguous. So we have two classes of applications whose use of [25;xH are in direct conflict with each other. The solution, in UNIX at least, is to cook up separate termcap/terminfo entries for the two variations. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 05:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Message-Id: <1995Jan11.115728.37354@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 95 11:57:28 MDT References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) writes: > Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? It does. > I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. > The TERM environment is set to VT320. > DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character > will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line > will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared > after redraw screen. That's a mistake in OSF. Kermit has provided access to the status line, for many many years, by allowing it to be targeted directly via such a cursor steering command. Real VT300's will put the cursor on line 24 rather than 25 (or whatever the status line is in Kermit, depending on screen length). I suggest having a look at the termcap/terminfo material on your system and change the item which mistakenly references line 25. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 18:40:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:40:28 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:15:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 17:31:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Message-Id: <1995Jan11.123136.11637@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 11 Jan 95 12:31:36 -0500 References: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had a similar problem - whenever I got noise on the line the terminal would go to a graphics character set. I circumvented the problem by setting all the graphic character tables to the same character set. For example: set term char ascii g0 g1 g2 g3 I don't know if this is the same problem, but you might give it a shot. I'm sure Frank could give a more technical explanation. Russ Forthofer From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:54:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local bookstore: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:55:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:55:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3cdd$4rj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace >vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had >this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? > Please consult our new FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 16:57:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa053.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, they are: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!tem From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 12 Jan 1995 17:49:26 GMT Organization: HSU Library Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Reply-To: tem@scout.humboldt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: scout.humboldt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 terminal? Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for F1, etc. Thanks, tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 18:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umd.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:28:45 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umd.edu In-Reply-To: edge@dircon.co.uk's message of 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. How about kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 ? [omit the set port if you're on com 1], omit the set speed if it's already set right. Include the path to kermit if it's not already in your path. call kermit kermit.exe if there's a kermit.bat that conflicts.. Newer versions of kermit may have a different command line syntax?] -- Raul D. Miller N=:((*/pq)&|)@ NB. public e, y, n=:*/pq P=:*N/@:# NB. */-.,e e.&factors t=:*/<:pq 1=t|e*d NB. ((1&=@| 2&^@<:)*./@,(>&(2^1024)))pq x-:d P,:y=:e P,:x NB. (d P,:y)-:D P*:N^:(i.#D)y [. D=:|.@#.d From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 15:51:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: Steve Layten Subject: ms-kermit and PCTCP Message-Id: <1995Jan12.155107.21458@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:51:07 GMT Lines: 87 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've just spent a frustrating few days trying to get ms-kermit set up on a PC using FTP Software's PCTCP under Windows for Workgroups 3.11. There were several difficulties, but I now think I have a setup that works (mostly). I scoured the docs in the latest beta release of ms-kermit in the networks directory. I read the bwr file, the help file, etc., but still had trouble. Part of the trouble is a "user hostile" environment in my organization -- We have a site license for FTP Software's PCTCP, and limited copies of the documentation. Our network folks are too busy "solving real problems" to help internal users set up their machines in any "non-standard" setup. "Use what we give you -- it works for us." is implicit, whether we like the setup or not. First, I'd like to thank J. Doupnik for his good work. I've been using MS-Kermit for years to access my UNIX system at work from home. What a quality product! Now, I'd like to correct an error in and expand upon Section 4.1 of the file "setup.doc" in the networks directory. ---- Begin corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ (4.1) FTP Software Inc. PC/TCP. Use the FTP Telnet interface TNGLASS and run Kermit from it. tnglass host.domain -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe (The spaces between "-c" and "0" and "-e" and "kermit.exe" are required.) This example uses communication port 1 (-c0) so tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1, and the -i option says to keep the TCP connection alive until the terminal emulator (Kermit) has started using the Int 14h communications pathway. The TNGLASS interface causes the "ENTER" key to send pairs, as specified in the Telnet protocol specification. This may cause some problems in connecting to UNIX machines. I found that using "stty igncr" helped, along with "set key \284 \10" to re-map the "ENTER" key to send a newline. (Using "set term newline off" and/or "set tcp newline off" didn't seem to help.) My configuration: Gateway 2000 P90 machine 3C5X9 network card? (I'm real fuzzy here.) MS-DOS 6.22 Windows for Workgroups V3.11 FTP Software's PCTCP software, with \pctcp\3c5x9pd.com and \pctcp\vxdinit.exe loaded in autoexec.bat (I'm not sure what version of PCTCP, but TNGLASS reports V3.0.) My tnglass.pif has "hostname -c 3 -i -e kermit.exe" supplied as command-line arguments, and in my mscustom.ini, I've specified "Set port BIOS4" Here's output from "stty -a" on a SunOS 4.1.X Sparcstation 2: speed 38400 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr igncr -icrnl -iuclc ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig -iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^? ^\ ^S/^Q ^D I hope this is helpful! Steve Layten (slayten@cas.org) ---- END corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ I now seem to have just one more problem. When using 'vi' on my UNIX host, at times I get "beeps" in ms-kermit like it has lost characters. I see it when 'vi' is "wrapping" a fairly large word (set wm=6, type a word near the right margin, and 'vi' moves the word to the next line). I also seem to see it when I use the '^w' key in input mode to erase a word. The word is not completely erased, and the cursor is not in the right place. I'm not sure what to change to prevent ms-kermit from losing the characters. Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks again especially to J. Doupnik and Frank da Cruz for their support, and Thanks in advance to any of you that can help. Steve Layten From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 06:59:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 12 Jan 1995 06:59:22 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: 0, mode: remote, modem: direct Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 3 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 2 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 900 900 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 10 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 512 Collide: rename Session Log: none Longest pathname: 255 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 02:01:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!jmurphy From: jmurphy@uoguelph.ca (Janice Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Kermit and Novell NASI Date: 13 Jan 1995 02:01:44 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3f4mu8$mem@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to automate a dialing script with the latest Kermit beta to connect to a NASI server (Netware Connect on our Novell 3.12 Fileserver) and can do it manually fine but not script wise. Any pointers from this group. The following is what I would like to happen: c:\kermit\kermit ... .... initialize the setup,keys, etc def modem take sport.scr set speed 19200 set port novell out connect dialout \13 modem T555-1212 connect What happens after the out connect dialout \13 is OK, but when I say modem T555-1212 I am back at the NASI 1:1> prompt. GO FIGURE :) Any clues as how to get my script working automatically with Netware Conenct and NASI. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 12:51:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 13 Jan 1995 12:51:15 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3f5t03$jqf@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa049.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) says: >kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 THANKS !!!! This solution worked perfectly Spencer. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:41:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:41:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3f63e0$raa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits >after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing >important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even >transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: > >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 >... >The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my >computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, >Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can >play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. > You'll have to ask the Crosstalk people about it. C-Kermit 5A (current version is 190) works fine with MS-DOS Kermit and gets terrific transfer rates. Try MS-DOS Kermit and see if the same thing happens to you. If it does, we'll be glad to help out by looking at packet logs, etc, but Crosstalk is an unknown quantity to us, and is supported by the Crosstalk people. MS-DOS Kermit: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:49:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3f63tb$rr7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net>, Tom Mendenhall wrote: >Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 >terminal? > It emulates a Wyse 50. To the best of our knowledge, a Wyse 60 is just a Wyse 50 with some emulations for other terminal types added. >Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard >scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal >requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for >F1, etc. > No, Kermit does not send scan codes, and does not allow the status line to be used as a regular screen line. Yes, you can map keys to send anything you want using SET KEY, and you can use Kermit in most common video modes: 80x25, 80x43, 80x60, etc, but the bottom line is always special. When using Kermit to access your UnixWare system, you have a number of emulations to choose from, but they all work more or less like real terminals, not like system consoles. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 19:28:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Date: 13 Jan 1995 19:28:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period is over; thanks to all of you who participated! For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:36:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: <8LV5lqo7IRLL075yn@ritz.mordor.com> Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 In article <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article , > Michael Pollak wrote: > >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does > >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > > > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local > bookstore: > > Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital > Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN > 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the > IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. > > - Frank ROFLMAO!!! :-) "You can download the manual from your local bookstore" :-> Pardon my silliness, but I got a kick out of how you worded it, Frank :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:39:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:39:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 [response e-mailed and posted] In article <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) wrote: > Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, > By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). > We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, > they are: > AT&F8 > AT&f0 > AT&w0 > ATZ > But we want to be able to send these commands directly > to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. > Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! It depends what communications port your modem uses. Try the following - one of which will probably work. C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM1: or C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM2: Most modems are set up at COM1: or COM2:. From what I can gather with these commands, from this point onward, you should be able to use your modem with programs like Kermit without any further tinkering. [but I don't remember my AT command set tonight, so I could be wrong - I know AT&W generally writes the current settings of the modem "permanently" in its NVRAM (non-volitile RAM - that means that it doesn't disappear when you shut the modem off) Hope this helps. Perhaps others will give better suggestions. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 13:05:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:37:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@oslonett.no (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 14 Jan 1995 14:05:11 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all. Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups and TCP/IP 32? In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. Could anyone please lead a novice to better understandig of Kermit?? Hope to hear from you. sven@oslonett.no [Sven Andreassen] --- 7 WinQwk 2.0 a#0 7 Unregistered Evaluation Copy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 20:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:15:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 14.Jan.1995 In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > > - Frank Wonderful! :-) I saved the announcement - when I get my first paycheck at this new job next week, I'll be putting in my order for the manual. [I know it's silly, but I waited to order the manual until version 3.14, as I wanted an "official" 3.14 on diskette --- even though I'll be downloading 3.14 from the ftp site now!] Thanks for the great product, Frank and Joe and all folks who contributed towards the Kermit effort! This Kermit-fan isn't disappointed in the least! Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 02:36:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!BDESIMON From: BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Bert DeSimone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 95 07:36:11 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing the problem. Soooo, if anybody using tn3270 has successfully transferred files from an IBM mainframe using Kermit, I would appreciate any information. Thanks in advance ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 16:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 16:26:57 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 03:44:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Message-Id: <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jan 95 09:44:08 MDT References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) writes: > kudut@ritz.mordor.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > 14.Jan.1995 > > In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? ----- The makefile explains: MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:35:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:59:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:59:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3fc2b7$p9k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? Get a newer version of C-Kermit, which will support set speed 115200 You are using a 16550x UART, aren't you? -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 08:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:34:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 15.Jan.1995 > >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? > ----- > The makefile explains: > MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C > modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Thanks Joe! I'm in the process of learning C [after being a longtime BASIC and Pascal person], and want to "play". There's another IBM-PC environment that I want to port Kermit to, but my knowledge of C and ASM (and of the pertinant software developer's kit) is *very* limited at the moment to simple things - so I'm months from being ready to talk to Frank about it. Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:12:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!eur.nl!news.fgg.eur.nl!coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl!Clotsche From: Clotsche@coh.fgg.eur.nl (P. CLOTSCHER @ COH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable internal commands? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:12:28 GMT Organization: Erasmus University Rotterdam Lines: 44 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Disable internal commands? Reply-to: Clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 Dear Kermit Users, Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal emulation)? I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like 'disable ...' would be nicer (?). Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. The reason: We want to use MS-kermit 3.13 for making an automated script-directed TCP/IP connection to a HP9000/720 unix host, login, run a program on the host (only screen-info as output), logout, and return to DOS after quitting the unix-application. During the session the user may not be able to return to the KERMIT> prompt (Alt-X, or ^]C), may not access the escape-menu (^].... for sending breaks, toggle capturing, etc., etc.). However, all other ctrl- and alt-keys, and cursor controls must remain intact. The script is running fine and everything that we want is working O.K. (we love Kermit's scripting facilities!!). The only wish now is to secure the procedure for the users to prevent unwanted effects caused by accidentally used keys. Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in a script-file in the output command? We have a DOS-variable 'GROUP' which content we want to pass to the unix-host. I think we must use someting like "$GROUP". Is this correct? Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Pim Clotscher Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL I&A - Computer Support Hoboken Tel. +31-104087420 / Fax +31-104362719 E-mail (Internet): clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:36:50 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics | >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there | >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line | >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? | You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 15:59:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 16 Jan 1995 15:59:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no>, Sven Andreassen wrote: >Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >and TCP/IP 32? > Yes. >In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a >Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for >Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive discussion of this problem. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC for the information you are asking for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:46:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:46:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-Id: <3fe7sq$p0a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Mainframe, 3270 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu>, Bert DeSimone wrote: >Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server >that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal >server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file >transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. >Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe >through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't >have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit >using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). > >I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode >sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing >the problem. > One of the major strengths of the Kermit protocol is its ability to transfer files with IBM mainframes over a wide variety of connection types, and there is an excellent Kermit software program for the IBM mainframe, which is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO (and ROSCOE), CICS, and MUSIC. The current version is 4.3.0, with version 4.3.1 in beta test. All of the Kermit books and manuals ("Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", and the IBM mainframe Kermit online manuals) describe the process(es) in some detail. Here is a brief summary. Half-duplex (local-echo), line-at-a-time connections are generally handled by the "ibm" macro that is built in to MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, which performs the following protocol-related settings: set local-echo on set parity mark set flow none set handshake xon Full-screen sessions go through a 3270 terminal emulator. This can reside anywhere between the client software (such as MS-DOS Kermit) and the mainframe. For the past 10 or 20 years, the most common place to find the 3270 emulator was on a special purpose "protocol converter": a box that has serial lines on one side and a connection to the mainframe on the other. This box generally works by tricking the mainframe into thinking it is a "control unit" with multiple 3270 terminals attached, and at the same time tricking the terminals into thinking they are communicating with a "normal" ASCII character-at-a-time host. The box converts between 3270 data streams and ASCII terminal (e.g. VT100) conventions. This includes ASCII/EBCDIC character-set conversion, cursor positioning and screen painting, and keystroke interpretation. As you can imagine, all of these conversions would normally have a disastrous effect on Kermit protocol packets, and also upon any other type of data that has to be transmitted "as is", without conversion, such as graphics terminal directives. Thus, many protocol converters support a "transparent mode", that allows the mainframe host to command them to turn off their conversion functions, and at a later time, turn them back on. When everything works as planned, the only Kermit commands required for going through the protocol converter are: set flow xon/xoff ; (usually) set parity even ; (or other) Everything else corresponds to the normal Kermit defaults (remote echo, no "handshake", etc). Unfortunately, the method for entering and leaving transparent mode differs from one 3270 emulation product to another. Ideally, there are two components: (1) the identification phase, in which the mainframe software issues a special instruction that causes the protcol converter to respond in a unique (but harmless) way; and (2) the actual enter- and exit-transparent-mode directives. IBM Mainframe Kermit needs to know which kind of transparency, if any, is used by the protocol converter so it can be put into transparent mode at the beginning of packet protocol and taken out of it upon return to interactive command mode. There are several ways that mainframe Kermit can go about this. First, you can use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell it which style of transparency is used by the protocol converter. Second, mainframe Kermit can be set up by the system administrator to always use a particular style. Third, it can attempt to "autodiscover" the controller type by issuing various types of identification queries and checking the results. The third method is not very reliable, however, since many types of protocol converters fail to respond to these queries even when they do implement a particular style of transparency. Nowadays, special-purpose protocol converters are giving way to general purpose terminal and compute servers that include a "tn3270" function. tn3270 is a special kind of TELNET program that also performs 3270 emulation, and requires that the mainframe be on TCP/IP network and have a TN3270 server. Here are two examples: 1. UNIX tn3270. Most UNIX systems come with a tn3270 program that lets you make a full-screen connection to an IBM mainframe. Once you have made the connection, you should be able to start Kermit on the mainframe, give it a SEND, RECEIVE, or SERVER command, escape back to your terminal emulator (e.g. MS-DOS Kermit), and transfer files without any special settings. If you have trouble with this, then: . Ask mainframe Kermit to "show controller". If it doesn't say Series/1, then tell it to "set controller series1". . Try using shorter packets. The maximum length that can pass through the protocol converter might be less than what you are trying to use. A typical maximum value might be 1700. . Tell one or both Kermit programs to "set parity space". 2. Cisco terminal server tn3270. Current releases of Cisco terminal server software include a tn3270 feature that is supposed to permit Kermit transfers, but it has bugs. Sometimes these bugs can be worked around by using the methods listed in (1) above and specifying VERY short packets, like 30 or 40 bytes. Sometimes they can't be worked around at all. A future release of Cisco software (probably 10.3) will include new tn3270 software that implements Series/1-style transparency correctly, and allows Kermit transfers of both text and binary files in both directions using packet lengths up to about 1900 (or whatever the total screen size is). If you try all of these workarounds with your terminal server and still get failed transfers, make packet logs and/or debug logs in both Kermit programs to find out what the terminal server is delivering to each Kermit program, and report the misbehavior to your terminal server vendor. For further information about specific protocol converters and how to configure IBM Mainframe Kermit for them, please read the ik0aaa.hlp file that comes with IBM Mainframe Kermit. Finally, it is possible to transfer files through a 3270 fullscreen connection even when 3270 emulator can't be put into transparent mode at all. You can read about this in the C-Kermit update notes file (ckcker.upd) and the MS-DOS Kermit update notes files (KERMIT.UPD). Quoting from the latter: "Doomsday Kermit" (DDK) techniques allow file transfer with IBM mainframes through 3270 protocol converters that do NOT support transparent mode, to be used in conjunction with IBM Mainframe Kermit's SET CONTROLLER FULLSCREEN command on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, or CICS. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.2.3 or later required. Commands: SET PARITY EVEN ; Or whatever SET FLOW XON/XOFF ; Or whatever SET SEND START 62 ; Greater-than sign SET RECEIVE START 62 ; Ditto SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 ; New block-check type SET HANDSHAKE NONE BLANK-FREE-2 is a new block-check type, exactly like type 2, except encoded to never contains blanks. Give IBM Mainframe Kermit the following commands: SET CONTROLLER FULL SET SEND START 62 SET RECEIVE START 62 SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 SET HANDSHAKE 0 Doomsday Kermit file transfers are not as reliable as regular Kermit protocol transfers, and they are much slower. Use this method only as a last resort; that is, only when you can't get a transparent-mode fullscreen connection or a linemode connection to the mainframe. (end quote) And beyond finally: in the future, we expect to add 3270 emulation to the Kermit software itself, so you will be able to make tn3270 connections directly from Kermit to the mainframe without having to go through a "black box" for the conversion. Of course, Kermit software will handle transparency correctly (and automatically). (And no, I can't estimate when built-in 3270 emulation will be available.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:51:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable internal commands? Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:51:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: <3fe864$p8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , P. CLOTSCHER @ COH wrote: >Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands >like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal >emulation)? > Yes: SET KEY \Kignore >I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like >'disable ...' would be nicer. > Presently, there is no such command. >Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. > You can change the escape character to any other (7-bit) control character, but there is no way to disable it entirely. >Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in >a script-file in the output command? > Yes, as explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit": \$(name) where "name" is the name of the desired environment variable, e.g. \$(GROUP) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:19:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3fe9rt$r93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >| >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? > > >| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. > > > I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. > Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; Sorry I was short on time when I replied. For answers to questions such as these you should refer to both your modem manual and the appropriate Kermit book, in this case "Using C-Kermit" as it will contain the answers you need and quite a bit of background info. When you set the speed with which you are communicating to your modem, you are only specifying the interface speed. Not the speed at which your modem will connect to the remote modem. When a connection is made the modem reports back the actual connect speed. And depending on how it is configured it will change the interface speed between the computer and modem to match. This is SPEED-MATCHING. Now both C-Kermit and the modem must be told to do the same thing. Either they both speed-match or they both don't. But if they do not agree, once a connection occurs you will get garbage. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:36:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:36:07 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29191 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1623 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host use sz/rz to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. When using x/y/z-modem transfer, errors such as CHKSUM/packet size/ bad header occurs. I assume x/y/z-modem was mainly created for modem transfer, so may have problems sending using tcp-ip packets. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:41:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:41:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:41:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fei62$7cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29197 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1624 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Jong-Min Park wrote: >I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer >on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host > use sz/rz to send/receive files > >The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem >transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. > You have observed that Kermit works, but it is slow, whereas x/y/z-modem do not work. You conclude that if x/y/z-modem could be somehow taught to work, they would be fast, while Kermit would remain slow. Kermit can be as fast as or faster than any of the other protocols when tuned for speed. This is explained at length in the appropriate manuals ("Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", etc), and in our new FAQ, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT Kermit's defaults are deliberately conservative to maximize the chance that it will work on any given connection, even if it works slowly, as you have seen. The defaults of X/Y/Z-modem, on the other hand, are set for speed at the expense of robustness, as you have also seen. I'd recommend you spend a couple minutes reading up on how to make Kermit transfers go fast. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 20:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 20:11:09 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29200 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1625 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry that I may have been a little unclear. Here is more info: I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. I've succeeded in transferring ascii files between local machines just to test it: 'sz -a -L 80 filename' and 'rz -a'. If I omit -L, 'subpacket too long' error occurs. Although 'bad CRC' still occurs, it is only intermittent. Now binary transfer completely fails (bad CRC), but again 'subpacket long' disappears with -L option. I think there are two problems: 8-bit control code is being translated where it shouldn't be. And assembling of subpackets may be causing problems with tcp-ip packet size limit. I'm not too familiar with subpacket assembling or zmodem packets, nor telnet negotiation. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:28:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!newshost!bill From: bill@yossarian.lanl.gov (Bill Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:28:24 GMT Organization: Complex Systems Group, Theoretical Division, LANL, Los Alamos, NM Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: bill@goshawk.lanl.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: yossarian.lanl.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while logged in via kermit): $ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo $ cat -v foo ^[[231;80R This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. -- Bill Reynolds bill@raptor.lanl.gov _____________________________________________________________________________ "Our Yosemite turkeys live in the shade of beautiful oak trees" -Shelton's Free-Range Turkeys president Gary Flanagan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 22:57:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 22:57:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3fetkg$la7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bill Reynolds wrote: >This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for >automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, >one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can >be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while >logged in via kermit): > >$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo > > >$ cat -v foo >^[[231;80R > >This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from >watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. > You're right. It's a bug. We'll have to develop and issue a patch for it asap. Thanks for pointing it out. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 04:40:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 17 Jan 1995 04:40:54 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ffhom$mb5@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-7.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29210 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1628 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you so much for all the feedback. I didn't have time to say thank you to all who replied. I have mustered enough hints and info to try out several configs and I finally got some speed (500 to 1000 cps vs. original 49 or zero cps). Sorry if this was an FAQ, but just so that someone could benefit from this info, I'm posting my result. Here is what I found when using kermit or zmodem transfer through tcp-ip from my host to a remote site: In kermit, increasing the receiving packet size can speed up the transfer. But if the receiving end cannot be tweaked by the user, you are still out of luck (it still works, in contrast to zmodem). In zmodem, using a smaller packet size (about 100 bytes for me) and escaping control characters from the sending host will avoid 'subpacket too long' error and 'CRC' error, respectively. Again, if you cannot change the configuration from the sending host, it just doesn't work. In conclusion, I now do downloads through kermit transfer and uploads through zmodem transfer, since the remote host doesn't allow changing of configurations for both sending and receiving. One strange thing I've noticed when using zmodem was that packet size less than about 128 went okay, but anything above it somehow hangs at the last 1024 bytes remaining (actually I can see that all data actually were sent, but the remaining size to transfer suddenly rises from 0 to 1024, and then nothing happens). Here is what I wrote: > I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer > on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet > use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files > The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem > transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And > since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the > remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. > When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:12:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Date: 17 Jan 1995 10:12:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission Summary: How do I run TCP/IP over Novell with MS-Kermit Keywords: TCP/IP, Novell X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about what others have found is the best method of doing this. I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server break the TCP/IP packets out? -Fozz -- "This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird." -- The Perl v5.0 manual page. Doran Barton / Fozziliny Moo (fozz@xmission.com or http://xmission.com/~fozz/ ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:41:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!eastman!mmdm08!jgirtler From: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com (Joe Girtler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Message-Id: <15375@eastman.Kodak.Com> Date: 17 Jan 95 17:41:47 GMT References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Sender: usenet@eastman.kodak.com Reply-To: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: 150.102.41.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am also interested in using Kermit's telnet ablilty, but have NO CLUE how. I'm running SunOS. I've tried the man pages but without success. Can anybody help? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 07:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Message-Id: <1995Jan17.131255.38178@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Jan 95 13:12:55 MDT References: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about > what others have found is the best method of doing this. > > I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a > Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also > connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way > to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client > shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to > encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server > break the TCP/IP packets out? -------------- You don't have to do anything fancy at all. MS-DOS Kermit is designed to run straight over ODI, as I thought you knew. The only time shims (ODIPKT + WINPKT) are needed is when MSK runs in a Windows DOS box. All NW 3 and 4 servers are shipped ready to route TCP/IP traffic at no extra cost (just load the supplied TCPIP.NLM). Please see the docs in the MSK 3.14 quick-start archive file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Just as a historical reminder: MS-DOS Kermit was the first non-Novell TCP/IP program to run over ODI native mode, and I made publically viewable my code to accomplish that task. Today a number of vendors offer native ODI capability, and that's a good thing. That's not a claim on those vendors, but rather a longer term view of how these programs fit together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:11:00 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. I've tried other lengths, but no success. Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. thanks. sul@fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:31:52 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3fhk19$2vb@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sulaiman Paperwalla (sul@nomadd.fiu.edu) wrote: : I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via : Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure : but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' : Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. : I've tried other lengths, but no success. : Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? : This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. : thanks. : sul@fiu.edu Never mind.... I was using 3.14 beta 17. It works fine with the new release. Sorry for this post. Sul. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:16:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:46:01 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Mendenhall (tem@scout.humboldt.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 : terminal? : Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard : scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal : requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for : F1, etc. I'd be interested in such a use also, but can only see WYSE50 in beta 17 of MS-Kermit 3.14. Joe Doupnik runs Unixware, so he may have some more information about this. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:43:12 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fi818$bei@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay (edge@dircon.co.uk) wrote: : Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, : By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). : We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, : they are: : AT&F8 : AT&f0 : AT&w0 : ATZ : But we want to be able to send these commands directly : to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. : Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! I use the command: kermit take atz.tak MSKERMIT.INI: set flow rts/cts set block 3 set window 3 set send pack 4000 set receive pack 4000 set port 2 take vt300.ini set term wrap on ATZ.TAK: set port 2 def \%a 0 :try increment \%a if > \%a 10 goto end echo modem initialisation attempt \%a\13\10 output ATZ\13 input 4 OK if success goto end if > \%a 2 log session c:\ff\call.log write session \v(date) \v(time) ATZ \%a FAILED\13\10 goto try :end quit This is for "fixing" stubborn modems. Does anyone do this kind of thing for modems on Unix machines? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!kheesoon From: kheesoon@technet.sg (Ng Khee Soon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help on Kermit Date: 17 Jan 1995 17:17:01 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3fgu2d$iud@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 16:47:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just too darn slow. I have been told that I can use a program called sz.exe and use zmodem from my vms account. I have gotten this program but as have yet been unable to get it to work. Does anyone know of any instructions that I can use with this particular program or prehaps a differrent utility that I can use to make my dl's a little bit faster and more productive. I have a 14.4 now but will soon be recieving a PPI 28.8 v.34 in the mail (they are back-ordered now). IS there anything that I can do that will enable me to take full advantage of this increased speed? BTW, I dial in to a VAX and we do have a 28.8 modem pool. Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 14:02:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:56:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:55:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!kraeutle From: kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kraeutle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem-modem connection Date: 18 Jan 1995 14:02:24 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi to All I would like to know if there is any possibility to connect two modems via phone line using kermit protocoll. I have no problems to connect to a unix host but how can i manage file transfer to another pc thanks in advance -- Rainer Kraeutle,0761/203-(3056/3064) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 00:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!dcc.uchile.cl!anaraven From: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl (Andres Aravena) Subject: problems in Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (News) Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 00:12:12 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get 'Operation would block' at any read or write. Did someone have success with it? thank you -- Andres Aravena D. home: andres@aravena.mic.cl Univ: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 23:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 18 Jan 1995 23:18:25 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. Has any one else encounter this? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 15:02:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Message-Id: <1995Jan18.210220.38361@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 95 21:02:20 MDT References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) writes: > Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling > when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > > Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > > Has any one else encounter this? ------------ We don't have enough information from you to begin an analysis, but I can say that MSK 3.14 works fine to my UnixWare machine. Please check the kind of terminal the host thinks it is talking to. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 09:01:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 01:01:30 -0800 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cello.gina.calstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? Or is this done somewhere else (like in the nameserver(s)? (Outside of kermit's control) Thanks, -- --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 05:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 05:54:05 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the message Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) C-Kermit> What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). What's wrong? In case it's helpful, I'll include my settings below. Thanks! --David Finton ------------------------ (Back at localhost) C-Kermit>show C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, NeXT Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 38400, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 1 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: converted Debugging Log: none Type: text Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Character-Set: NeXT Multinational (8-bit) Transfer Character-Set: Transparent File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc C-Kermit> From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:12:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3flrvt$cce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Rainer Kraeutle wrote: >I would like to know if there is any possibility to >connect two modems via phone line using kermit >protocoll. > This is the subject of Chapter 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (also available in German). Very briefly: One PC must make the call, the other must receive it. The receiving PC's modem must be placed into "answer mode". A Kermit program should be started on the receiving PC and placed in server mode. For additional details, please read chapters 10 and 11 of the manual. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:15:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fls5h$civ@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, Sulaiman Paperwalla wrote: >Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling >when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > >Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not Beta), released 12 January 1995 had a bug in this area. It was replaced yesterday, 18 January 1995, by a version that contained a minor change to fix this bug. I'll post a more detailed announcement shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems in Solaris 2.3 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:20:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3flsev$d2g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andres Aravena wrote: >We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After >choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get >'Operation would block' at any read or write. > Just follow the instructions. There are specific makefile entries for each machine / operating system / OS version combination. Just pick out the most appropriate of the entries whose names start with "solaris": solaris2x - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler solaris2xg - Solaris 2.x, GNU cc solaris2x25 - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler and SunLink X.25 For additional details, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and in the file ckuins.doc (C-Kermit installation instructions). If you can't succeed in compiling the program, you can ftp a precompiled Solaris 2.3 binary from kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 13:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:41:50 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rainer Kraeutle (kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote: : I would like to know if there is any possibility to : connect two modems via phone line using kermit : protocoll. There should be no problem so long as you can tell the called modem to answer, either automatically or manually. The manual command is probably ATA. (If someone has actually done this, please jump in!) -- David Nichols From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:36:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:36:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3fltcs$eb0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, David Finton wrote: >I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, >but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the >message > >Can't read character: I/O error > Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) >C-Kermit> > >What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set >wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this >because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long >as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and >am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), but that will not necessarily affect this problem. However, the release notes for version 5A(190) contain more information and are organized better than in previous releases. In particular, the ckuker.bwr file (C-Kermit, Unix version "beware" file) contains sections for each platform. Here are the pertinent excerpts from the section on the NeXT: (3.4) C-KERMIT AND NEXTSTEP The SET CARRIER command has no effect on the NeXT -- this is a limitation of the tty device drivers. Hardware flow control on the NeXT is selected not by "set flow rts/cts" in Kermit (since NeXTSTEP offers no API for this), but rather, by using a specially-named driver for the serial device: /dev/cufa instead /dev/cua; /dev/cufb instead of /dev/cub. This is available only on 68040-based NeXT models (the situation for Intel NeXTSTEP implementations is unknown). NeXT-built 68030 and 68040 models have different kinds of serial interfaces; the 68030 has a Macintosh-like RS-422 interface, which lacks RTS and CTS signals; the 68040 has an RS-423 (RS-232 compatible) interface, which supports the commonly-used modem signals. WARNING: the connectors look exactly the same, but the pins are used in completely DIFFERENT ways -- different cables are required for the two kinds of interfaces. IF YOU GET LOTS OF RETRANSMISSIONS during file transfer, even when using a /dev/cuf* device and the modem is correctly configured for RTS/CTS flow control, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WRONG KIND OF CABLE. Does this help? By the way, until it died recently, I had a NeXTstation on my desk, so I can personally veryify that Kermit works fine on it with the right kind of cable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:48:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:48:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3flu3s$fa6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: >Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there >is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this >was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full >name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? > Yes. You can use SET TCP/IP DOMAIN to set your PC's full name. But the value of this setting is known only to Kermit itself, and it is used for only one purpose: to turn "nicknames" into fully qualified domain names (FQDN). For example, if your network is called foo.bar.baz and your PC is called oofa, then its FQDN is oofa.foo.bar.baz. If you say "set port tcp blah", Kermit sends a query to your name server for "blah". If it doesn't get a satisfactory response, then it uses your SET TCP DOMAIN value to try to make an FQDN. Normally you would have your TCP DOMAIN set to your network name rather than your PC's FQDN, so Kermit would try: blah (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) If you set your TCP DOMAIN to your PC's own FQDN, then Kermit tries: blah (no match) blah.oofa.foo.bar.baz (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) Both ways work, but the second way takes a bit longer. The best way to set your TCP/IP parameters is from an organizational BOOTP server. Then the only command that you (or anybody else) needs for Kermit TCP/IP setup is SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. The advantages of this approach are so overwhelming that every site should read about them and set up a centralized bootp database. Maybe your site has one already and you only need to be registered in it. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later support BOOTP at RFC 1395, which allows the domain name to be downloaded to the PC from the BOOTP database. The original BOOTP specification (and BOOTP servers and databases based on it) did not include the domain name. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 10:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:06:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 20 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in my OUTPUT command. Thanks for yer help! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 15:13:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:13:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access from a laptop. There's a security issue here, too. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:44:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Bug Fix and Replacement Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:44:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3fmbuf$6e7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:7 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1652 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, as announced on January 12th, had a pair of bugs that required a quick replacement. Very briefly, the bugs were: 1. Incorrect response to the cursor position report request escape sequence, such as the one issued by UNIX `eval resize`, or by the login procedure of VMS 6.x, or by recent releases of Pine, to determine the size of your physical screen. 2. Memory corruption if the cursor was positioned off the physical screen. Unfortunately, (2) was very likely to happen because of (1). For example, Pine might send the escape sequence from (1), Kermit might mistakenly report that its screen had 231 lines, and then Pine would try to write text to bottom of the screen, causing the memory corruption. The memory corruption manifested itself in various ways: switching to Tektronix mode, the disappearance of macro definitions, and/or the inability to EXIT from Kermit. These bugs are now fixed, thanks to the quick action of Joe Doupnik, and a new replacement ZIP file is now available. The Kermit program still identifies itself as version 3.14, but the date is January 18, 1995, rather than January 12, 1995. The corrected version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as follows: DIRECTORY MODE DESCRIPTION kermit/archives/msvibm.zip binary Distribution diskette ZIP file kermit/a/msvibmzip.boo text Ditto, BOO-encoded kermit/a/msvibmzip.uue text Ditto, uuencoded The text-encoded ZIP files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV@CUVMA as MSVIBMZI.BOO and MSVIBMZI.UUE. Please replace the January 12th version with the January 18th one. Apologies for the inconvenience. All further corrections will be issued in the form of patches. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 19:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:16:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3fmdr4$9ms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. > Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:58:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fmcns$7oq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:00:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Whoops-no RX!?! Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:00:06 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not from the driver. Is it from th' frog? Thank you. Bill From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:30:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 19 Jan 1995 09:30:14 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3fm42m$221@xmission.xmission.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. I just learned how to to this this morning actually. I've been using MSK for years and never really bothered to figure this goody out until now. Try: SET PORT TCP/IP NEW CONNECT This will automatically start a new Telnet session with the indicated host. If you haven't gotten hold of v3.14 yet, do. The KERMIT.UPD file has a comprehensive explanation of these features and any others that have been added in version 3.12, 3.13, and 3.14. -Fozz -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 00:09:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Whoops-no RX!?! Date: 20 Jan 1995 00:09:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fmv0f$6f2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes >get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not >from the driver. Is it from th' frog? > It is not from the C-Kermit source code (grep -i Whoops ck[cu]*.[ch]). Maybe it's from some library that it is linked to on the 3b1. Try: strings kermit | grep Whoops If this comes up empty, then it ain't from the Kermit executable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:15:31 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '231'; unset noglob; Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '24'; unset noglob; -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:20:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!gsbux1!cal From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) Subject: COM3 available in 3.14? Message-Id: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@bluebird.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:20:04 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could address COM3 and above. If not, is this a planned feature addition? Regards, -Cal -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "From all us Slackers to all you Boomers ... HAHAHAHAHAHA! WE HAVE SATELLITE MOUNTED RAIL-GUNS! HEH HEH. Who's laughing now?"-- S. Lang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 17:39:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!awhite From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 19 Jan 1995 17:39:49 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu Summary: Connect Problem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly 1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a local area network, just as before. 2. I devised the following test script, just to get to the bare bones of the symptoms. ; Test Script set modem hayes ; dial compuserve dial T94749005 3. I take this script file from the MS-Kermit prompt and this is what I get: 3.1. Dialing ... 3.2. Connect 9600 3.3. and then nothing, until the connection times out. I can do absolutely nothing. The cursor is frozen, Control-Break and Control-C do not work, nothing. There is no MS-Kermit prompt, nothing. When the prompt does appear, if you enter another command, it is executed with glacial slowness. I even tried "set terminal timeslice-release disable", to no effect. 4. I have C-Kermit 5A(190), and it executes just fine. 5. Puzzled, and frustrated, in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. -- Anne L. White "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian by training" 402-479-4316 "Resources Center Manager by choice" 402-479-3989 (Fax) ^ "Stupidity Is It's Own Reward!" ^ NDOR Communications Div. 1500 NE HWY 2 PO BOX 94759 Lincoln NE 68509 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 04:21:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 04:21:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fndos$q6h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu>, anne white wrote: >MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly > >1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used > for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the > same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am > using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a > local area network, just as before. I am glad to hear that you use C-Kermit. However, when you do use MS-DOS Kermit under OS/2 I would suggest that you also use Ray Gwinn's SIO replacement comm drivers. Ray has implemented the Fossil standard as a Virtual Driver in OS/2's DOS Sessions. By using the Fossil support in 3.14 with Ray's VX00.SYS and SIO.SYS drivers you will get performance under OS/2 that is as close as you can possibly get to just having MS-DOS Kermit sitting on top of the actual hardware. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 02:25:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:25:43 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). Please email me any help, and thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 08:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:13:12 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU's message of 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "W" == Watson, John McClain writes: W> Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just W> too darn slow. You have been mis-informed. I get transfer rates of 1,600+ cps on a regular basis with kermit with my 14.4 Kbps modem, and it only required some minor tweaking on my part. Look through the help files for the section on control prefixes, and set your packet sizes to be at least 1000. These transfer rates are at least as good as the rates zmodem will get you. -- James From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 07:00:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 07:00:15 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fnn1v$cls@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> of "Kari E. Hurtta" X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: ;I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: <...> ;Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: <...> I forgot to say that these are MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.10. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 10:16:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 10:16:43 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kermit.bwr it is said: Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a continued line. Well, I did not know this, and I had the following macro within my mscustom.ini: define kommsrv - dial rz1,- input 30 Benutzernummer:,- ; Warte auf die Ausgabe. output p41bsmk\44PASSWD\13,- ; Account,Passwort input 10 >,- ; Warte auf Prompt. output c\44komm\13,- ; Rufe kommsrv. connect This macro worked alright on my laptop at home until I upgraded from kermite.exe 3.14 beta 14 to the final version. Then, parts of that macro got displayed at the MS-Kermit prompt when loading mscustom.ini. This "error" had not occurred when I first tested the new (final 3.14) Kermit release on my office PC. Trying out this and that (on the office PC, again), I noticed that minor variations in the macro let it either work or not work. Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:39:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!alf.chem.su.oz.au!dave From: dave@alf.chem.su.oz.au (David Kelly) Subject: Pathworks Kermit Problem Message-Id: Sender: news@ucc.su.oz.au Nntp-Posting-Host: alf.chem.su.oz.au Organization: Information Services, Sydney University, Sydney, NSW, Australia X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:39:16 GMT Lines: 54 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92982 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13100 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1666 comp.sys.dec:27570 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. The process we're using is : We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version 3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. The send process starts fine and seems to go smoothly with no retries until suddenly it stops with the following VT320 emulator error message : COULD NOT GET KERMIT STATUS INFORMATION, (NOT RUNNING KERMIT IN SERVER MODE ON REMOTE HOST?) This doesn't result in a connection loss to the vax, but the kermit transfer stops. For a given file it will fail at the same place every time, but different amounts of data are transferred before failure for different files. Some small files will transfer OK and some won't. If the file is bigger than approx 30k it will almost certainly fail. Failure doesn't seem dependent on file type. We've tried changing between LAT & CTERM connection with no change and I've tried changing kermit protocol retry limit to maximum (though no retrys are indicated) and I've changed TIMEOUT setting to maximum, all with no effect. This process is consistent across all PCs we have and we have the same problem with different model VAX servers. There are other kermit protocol and packet settings in the terminal emulator I could try changing which are : Block check sum currently set to 1 other option is 2 Send delay for first packet, currently set to 0,maximum is 63 seconds. Start of packet currently CTL-A Padding count, currently set to 0 maximum is 60 Padding character currently CTL-@ Endof line character currently CTL-M Quote character currently # Packet size currently 94 other choice is 80 I haven't tried changing these as I have no idea what effect they will have. Kermit transfer both ways to Pathworks VT320 DOS emulator (sethost) works fine. This problem has been reported to DIGITAL with no resolve as yet. Anyone have any ideas ? Any help greatly appreciated, this is causing us serious problems and is urgent. David Kelly, Systems Specialist Environment Protection Authority. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3fom04$6dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > A frequently asked question. The short answer: Yes. The medium answer: COM3 and above have no standard address or IRQ, hence communications software (Kermit or anything else) can't always find them, in which case you have to specify the address and IRQ, using a sequence like: SET COM3 \x3e8 5 SET PORT COM3 The long answer: Read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:54:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Pathworks Kermit Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:54:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fombs$6sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92995 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13106 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1668 comp.sys.dec:27576 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Kelly wrote: >We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 >terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. >Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. > >We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal >emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version >3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu >on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. > Can't help with this; your PC software is a DEC product, so you'll have to get help from DEC. However, you are more than welcome to use real Kermit software, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, on your PC in place of the DEC software. It supports PATHWORKS connections too, as well as VT320 emulation and (of course) Kermit transfers. If you have trouble with it, we can help. You are also encouraged to install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX. Kermit-32 is no longer supported. To learn more about Columbia University's Kermit software, point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu and follow the signs. Direct further questions to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:57:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fomhl$742@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Keiko Iwayama wrote: >My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so >I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as >fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at >about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). > Kermit can go just as fast, often faster. Please read the FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu text mode file kermit/FAQ.TXT - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:01:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:01:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3foj8q$fo7@xmission.xmission.com> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes: >Hi! > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. Yes. MS-DOS Kermit has had support for COM3 and COM4 for quite a while now. If you have non-standard I/O addresses and/or IRQs for those ports you can override the standard (if there really is one) settings with the MS-Kermit command: SET COM3 \x02f8 \4 This specifies that COM3 is IRQ 4 at 0x2f8. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:28:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:28:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi>, Kari E. Hurtta wrote: >I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: > >set noglob; >setenv COLUMNS '80'; >setenv LINES '231'; >unset noglob; > As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:39:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3foovg$b7a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >In kermit.bwr it is said: > Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last > character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing > comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a > continued line. >... >Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > The ability to put trailing comments on the ends of continued lines is not documented or supported in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. As you have observed, experimentation shows that it might work sometimes, but you should not depend on it. And speaking of trailing comments, lest anyone be prompted by this posting to ask again: There was a change in v3.14 from previous versions, in which a semicolon (;), must be followed by at least one space or tab -- or else be the first character on a line -- to be recognized as a comment introducer. This is to allow semicolons to be used within commands like: get dua0:[.temp]oofa.txt;3 or: output \27[?62;1;2;4;8;9;15c\13 without any quoting. Previously the first semicolon in each of these commands would have started a comment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:12:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:12:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3foqu1$emf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. --------------- Please see the release docs again, as well as using "?" context sensitive help in the SET PORT TCP command. This command accepts arguments of host to start a New or Resume a current session. SET PORT TCP also accepts a digit representing a session number (see SHOW SESSION for a list of which are which). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:16:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3for4r$f5r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >Hi! > > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > > If not, is this a planned feature addition? ---------- May I recommend reading the user's manual and the release notes for MS-DOS Kermit which will explain in detail the handling of COM3/4. MSK has used all four COM ports for a great many years. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 23:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit Transfers Date: 20 Jan 1995 23:39:12 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is only 2400bps? What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? Thank you for answers and comments. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Singapore | http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | void ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:28:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Transfers Date: 22 Jan 1995 02:28:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3fsfsn$qbq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about >it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? > Hmmm, I guess not, other than: type c:\ckermit\ckermit.kdd or (more generally): type \m(_dialdir) ; This variable holds the name of the dialing directory. You could add a macro definition for this to your CKERMOD.INI file, something like: define numbers type \m(_dialdir) or something fancier, e.g. to list all entries that match a particular string. But see below about the services directory. >What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is >only 2400bps? > SET DIAL SEPEED-MATCHING OFF. >What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, >when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? > You can write script programs to do whatever you want. Script programming can't be explained in a short message - you should read the manual; three chapters of it cover script programming. >How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? > There is a kind of "higher level" dialing directory, called the services directory, that does this for you automatically. The mechanics are explained in complete detail in the manual, and from a user standpoint also in the CKERMIT.INF file. >For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS >version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate >for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the >transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? > Again, all explained in the manual. About performance, you should also look at the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.txt Manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. 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Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 18:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!micke From: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Stephen J Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WP key problem? Date: 20 Jan 1995 18:43:20 GMT Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fp088$9bl@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Word Perfect 5.0 on a SCO Unix Machine. I use kermit to connect a PC to the Unix machine. On the Unix side, I set my terminal type to vt102 and my WP terminal type to kermit. On the Pc-kermit side, I set my terminal type to vt102. WP included a file wp231.ini which mapped all the function key for using WP. WP5.0 works fine with the wp231.ini key mapping. I have just upgraded to WP5.1 which does not have many changes from WP5.0. However, none of the Function keys are working. Some of the keys are mapped to different keys,such as the "F7" key which is mapped to "F3". I've used both the wp231.ini file from WP5.0 and the wp232.ini file included with WP5.1 to try to map the keys. These two files are virtually identical, except for two key mappings. Has anyone experienced the same problem? From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:32:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!garnet.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is 3.14 finally ready now Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 01:26:13 LOCAL Organization: Msen Lines: 26 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I haven't been on this newsgroup for a while so I'm out of touch. Is Kermit 3.14 out of BETA and ready for prime time? Thanks for any help. __ dwight **************** ************************ "I rock RUFF and stuff ***************************** wit' my afro puf R___! ********************************* Rock on witcha bad *********************************** self.." ************************************* ************************************* ***********---------------*********** ********/ ___ ___ \******** *****/ <_w_| |<_w_ \***** ****| / \ |**** **\ (_ _) /** | \/ | | <__> | | | \ _____ / \___/ jamaican@mail.msen.com 75202.1001@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 07:55:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 22 Jan 1995 07:55:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 125 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) has kindly been helping me with the following configuration problem. He asked me to write a report to the Usenet news of this configuration. I am happy to do it in return with thanks. This case demonstrates well the flexibility of Kermit terminal emulator for various countries. These scripts are for Kermit version 3.14 and I use them in my modem connections from home to our BSD Unix main computer at the University of Vaasa. When the included definition scripts have become more tested in my own use, I'll probably update my 47099 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm25.zip tskerm25.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. In my Kermit initialization file I define among other things the following three commands define FINNISH take finnish.cmd ;Use classic 7-bit Finnish characters define LATIN1 take latin1.cmd ;Use standard 8-bit characters define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I normally use LATIN1. If I read Finnish email or Finnish Usenet newsgroups written with the new 8-bit Finnish definitions, then I set MIXED. If I write Finnish text I still usually keep to FINNISH, but if for some reason I need to write new 8-bit Finnish text then it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends -------------------------------------------------------------------- ;FINNISH.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:34 ; Set on the classic Finnish 7-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 7-bit set terminal character-set Finnish set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as caret (^) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as tilde (~) ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of FINNISH.CMD ------------------------- ;LATIN1.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:17 ; Set on the standard 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \154 \154 ; U" set translation input \129 \129 ; u" set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of LATIN1.CMD -------------------------- ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:33:13 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ ; Alter what is shown set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:54:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utzoo!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:54:21 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >released on January 12, 1995. >Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu And then... >BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >BBSs for downloading by their users, Wonderful. It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is not to be Internet-savvy. I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) This has nothing to do with the technical excellence of the product and my lasting gratitude to all to have contributed. But IMO this policy transcends FreeWare and ShareWare, and can best be described as "BegWare". First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:25:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Message-Id: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Date: 21 Jan 95 21:25:36 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the printer isn't ready. This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, too. Surely this isn't intended? Is there a fix for this? I work around it by embedding the call to Kermit in an alias that checks for and deletes 0-byte files in the logs directory, but that takes time, and it shouldn't be necessary. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 06:13:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" -- second round Date: 21 Jan 1995 06:13:01 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3fq8ld$r30@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous message I wrote about a problem with kermit dropping the connection and giving me this error message. For example: ----------------------------------------------------------------- ?{w{;~{{m Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to thank those who advised me to build kermit5a190 and increase the number of windows and the receive packet-length. This made kermit much faster, and file transfer seems great. I'm running kermit on a NeXTstation with NEXTSTEP 3.2, /dev/cufa, hardware handshaking cable and modem (Supra 14.4LC). But I still get this irritating I/O error which throws me off the remote machine. I suspected my new computer's port, or the modem cable, except that most of the time the connection is great. The error usually occurs when I've been idle for a minute or so, and never in a file transfer. I'm editing this over the kermit connection now, and it's been working for about 20 minutes, I think. It almost seems like a line noise problem, although I didn't have this problem with kermit on my previous machine. Maybe my settings aren't quite right yet. I'll attach those below. Anyone have suggestions for things to try? Thanks, David Finton ---------------------------- (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> show C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, NeXTSTEP Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 57600, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 4526 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 2 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 90515 90515 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Send Pathnames: on Receive Pathnames: on Display: fullscreen Transaction Log: none Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc NeXT kermit> From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:05:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 104 Message-Id: <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>released on January 12, 1995. >... >>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >... >And then... >... >>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>BBSs for downloading by their users, > >Wonderful. >It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is given below). . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Thus, rather than posting an inflammatory message to the whole world, you were invited to discuss it with us offline, to spare the planet another month of acrimony and aggravation. We are not running a democracy here, in which everybody gets to vote on how we do our jobs. We have to generate income to pay our salaries (and for computers, supplies, etc), or we go away. Thus, rousing the public to yell at us accomplishes nothing. >I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are >degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. >This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to >pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It >exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" >users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is >not to be Internet-savvy. > Quite the opposite. On the Internet, we are able to communicate with our users. We can get our message across to them: via announcements, ftp site greeting messages, our Web page, newsgroups, etc, in an efficient way, i.e. many people see one message. But when software is distributed on BBSs, users who get it that way often have no easy way to get in touch with us; furthermore, we have no control over how the software is presented on the BBS -- what messages accompany it, etc. When contact does come from these users, e.g. because they have technical questions because they did not get a manual, it is one-on-one; an extremely inefficient use of our most precious and limited resource: time. >I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in >the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only >docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and >the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) > I think you misunderstand the attitude. Back in the old days, the Kermit effort was paid for by a budget, and we didn't have to generate income. We actually packed up and mailed out those boxes for free -- free! -- for quite a few years. Then the budget went away and we had to pay for ourselves. Years passed, demands for new features and versions increased, the user base increased, the technical support burden increased, and so income has to increase. We don't enjoy nagging everyone all the time to "buy the book" (especially since it only makes sense and the nagging should not be necessary), but if you want us to stop, then pay our salaries :-) The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" (organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" with no compensation. The Internet and the BBSs are not big bags of free goodies. All of the things you find there represent human labor. If you make use of the products of that labor, you should respect the wishes of the people who did the work. >First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. > A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that (a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we have to operate within certain constraints and are not necessarily free to do absolutely anything we (or you) can think of. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3fu059$b3r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start >logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. >If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but >if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the >printer isn't ready. >This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, >too. Surely this isn't intended? > Surely not. Version 3.14 was in Beta test for three months; did you report this problem? If so, the report must have been lost in the shuffle, or we would have addressed it. The best way to report problems like this is by email to: kermit@columbia.edu The more promptly you report them, the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 21:14:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!proffa!a139146 From: a139146@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Ahokas Jarno) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Date: 22 Jan 1995 23:14:46 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 43 Distribution: sfnet Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: proffa.cc.tut.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Path: proffa!a139146 Date: 22 Jan 95 21:10:10 GMT Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: sfnet Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Hi there ! The idea is to use three or more old 286 as "terminals". They all have network adapters and dos 3.x plus drivers for adapters (I don't know the type of these adapters yet). Since the version of SCO we're buying is for 16 users it's possible to expand the network if needed. I was advised by a Finnish SCO "guru" to use MS-Kermit software since it includes support for scandinavian alphabet, terminal-emulations up to VT320 and built in TCP/IP (and it's free). I've also FTPed this software from kermit.cc.columbia.edu both for DOS and SCO UNIX. The DOS side is very well documented (at least 200-300 pages of documentation). There were several kermit programs for SCO UNIX as follows: ckuker.sco32v4 ckuker.sco32v4gcc ckuker.sco32v4net ckuker.sco32v4netc ckuker.sco32v4netgcc ckuker.sco386netc ckuker.sco3r2laic ckuker.sco3r2netnd ckuker.sco_odt30 ckuker._xenix_2.3 About this kermit program. I'm wondering how it actually works. Especially in the UNIX end. I want to make .BAT files in these "terminal AT's" so that when you run this .BAT file the next thing that appears in screen is SCO UNIX asking "login:" and "password:". I know that there must be kermit running in SCO UNIX but how can it handle multiple users and how can the software be run via kermit connection? Many thanks if you can help. Jarno Ahokas (Jarno.Ahokas@cc.tut.fi) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 14:46:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beginner macuser can't download Date: 21 Jan 1995 09:46:41 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 23:18:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!mberg From: mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: Reply-To: mike@mbrg.com Organization: N/A X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:18:59 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while I wait for a native NT version). (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new version that fixed that problem.) But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type junk. Thanks, Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 01:39:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!brando.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@brando.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 23 Jan 1995 01:39:03 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fv1bn$g2o@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Reply-To: ts@uwasa.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: brando.uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters >it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the >following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. > > set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends > set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends I found at least a temporary solution to this problem. The A" and A' keys are needed in editing. I use MicroEMACS so I added the following definitions to my .emacsrc and voila. bind-to-key execute-macro-3 ^X. bind-to-key execute-macro-4 ^X: 3 store-macro insert-string A" <-- \30 !endm 4 store-macro insert-string A' <-- \31 !endm All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Temporarily using an alternative email address ts@brando.uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: <1995Jan22.202111.7168@ais.com> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:21:11 EST References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>>released on January 12, 1995. >>... >>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >>... >>And then... >>... >>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>>BBSs for downloading by their users, >> >>Wonderful. >>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. >> > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: > > . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their > BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the > Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University > to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is > given below). > > . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to > contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Frank, Please consider this as a suggestion rather than a flame. I fully under- stand your need to find funding -- after all, I run a business, so it's not as if I'm against commercial software or the needs of maintaining an adequate balance sheet. I'm not sure what the proper approach is, but I think that the current policy will prove counter-productive. Kermit is already a rather marginal product in the BBS world (for reasons that are mostly cultural rather than technical; we can debate the exact reasons, but the basic facts are really not in dispute), and this will probably be the last straw for it in that marketplace. I will say that you could put more information on how to buy the books into the standard documentation files, and/or convert Kermit to a share- ware product; I think both of these could generate some additional revenue. You have little or no obligation to support users who have down- loaded Kermit from BBSes; it's been your decision to spend the time to support such people. But the new policy may well result in a situation where you have few support demands ... because there are few people using the product (and consequently few book and tape sales, so therefore little revenue; possibly too little revenue to survive). This may or may not be a good thing, but it's not what you claim to want, so I fear that this issue may not have been thought through very well. (I'm tempted to say that perhaps someone more familiar with the business world should be consulted; in my experience, people from University environments -- even from the business offices in Universities -- often have few relevant skills to bring to the table when dealing with such problems). To put it bluntly, I think this approach will reduce your income (from book sales etc) without sufficiently reducing your support costs to make up the difference. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how you can expect any other result. In that case, I would suggest that you (and Columbia) need to consider seriously whether the Kermit mission is one that is still worth working on. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 18:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msunews!news From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 21 Jan 1995 18:28:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex0-1.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Msunetid: mrr X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner>, burns@eisner.decus.org says... > >Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get >C-Kermit working under NT ? A while ago the Windows Online BBS at (510)736-8343 had a file KMN077.ZIP: "Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 14:18:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:18:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: > I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated > to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while > I wait for a native NT version). > > (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new > version that fixed that problem.) > > But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to > display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 > and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck > mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with > it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, > and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type > junk. ------------- This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps you can fill in the blanks for us. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:25:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!power.ci.uv.es!news.upv.es!fchinest From: fchinest@pleione.cc.upv.es (Francisco Chinesta Soria) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 22 Jan 1995 15:25:37 GMT Organization: Centre de Calcul Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: pleione.cc.upv.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Helo. Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? Thanks in advance. Rafa From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 04:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: novice help Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:48:58 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. 1) Can someone help me with this problem and 2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one but its huge and technical. Thanks (private email preferred) Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!pipex!pipex!bt!demeter.aom.bt.co.uk!icarus.aom.bt.co.uk!not-for-mail From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:16:52 -0000 Organization: BT Access Operations and Maintenance Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.aom.bt.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? Thanks. -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:18:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:18:54 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office PC before going home define servemode - set flow none,- set port tcp *,- set server login ID PASSWORD,- server I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility to remotely start another one. Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 00:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Message-Id: <1995Jan23.065200.38807@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 06:52:00 MDT References: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an > ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office > PC before going home > > define servemode - > set flow none,- > set port tcp *,- > set server login ID PASSWORD,- > server > > I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to > my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS > commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only > once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility > to remotely start another one. > > Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after > sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? ---------------- Yes, you can control this behavior, and more, with the DISABLE and ENABLE commands. To be a perpetual server say DISABLE FINISH which will disable FINISH, BYE, LOGOUT from clients. You can also restrict access to changing directories, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:42:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beginner macuser can't download Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:42:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g0pr1$lvt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go >Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". >Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. > Please try the current (non-)release of Mac Kermit: CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:46:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3g0q11$m9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es>, Francisco Chinesta Soria wrote: > Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit, Choose "Further Information", then "FAQ". Or anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:56:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:56:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3g0qjn$n6i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Mark Riordan wrote: >had a file KMN077.ZIP: > >"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of >the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes >most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute >packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal >emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is >fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." > >Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr > Actually, the latest versions are KM[WN]080.ZIP. W is Win 3.1 and N is NT. This is an original work not supported by Columbia but based on Frank's Kermit Protocol book. The interface is pretty and it supports Async and WINSOCK connections. BUT... it does not have any Script language and the VT emulators fail many of the vttest program's tests. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:57:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: novice help Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:57:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3g0qm9$n8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with >me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every >time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I >try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. > >1) Can someone help me with this problem > First you have to say what kind of computer you have, what operating system, which Kermit program, and which version. But in general, the safest bet is to tell BOTH Kermit programs to "set file type binary". Yes, there are shortcuts, but you can learn them later. >and > >2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one >but its huge and technical. > Which documentation are you referring to? The two most popular Kermit programs, MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, each have excellent, professionally published manuals that are no more technical than you need them to be. They start out in tutorial fashion geared to novices, and work up to advanced stuff for those who need it. You can find out about the manuals by pointing your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, or by sending an email inquiry to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:03:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:03:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3g0r1j$nrt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk>, Steve Fosdick wrote: >Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of >connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? > C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 supports this feature. Read about it in section 3.1 of the ckcker.upd (C-Kermit update notes) file that comes with it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 15:14:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 15:14:30 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3g0h4m$i85@hack.dragoman.com> References: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > >In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: [...] >> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with >> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, >> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type >> junk. >------------- > This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what >the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, >the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. >In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we >don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know >if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps >you can fill in the blanks for us. > Joe D. OK. I can see the difference when reading the usenet group can.francais. For example, the article "FAQ - les accents francais et Usenet", the following paragraph: + Oy qu'il riside, ` Nnmes ou mjme Capharna|m, tout Frangais inscrit au rtle rhglera son d{ avant Nokl, qu'il soit naof ou rbleur. ; Reading this (that is -- the original - hopefully properly copied here) from netcom.com using MS Kermit 3.13 displays this ISO-8859-1 text correctly, but not MS Kermit 3.14 with the nearly out-of-the-box configuration. Sorry for not being too clear about this in my previous posting. I haven't deleted 3.13 from my system yet, so I'm doing a side-by-side comparison. I assume I'm having some obvious configuration problem that I can't locate in the help - but that can be easily fixed. Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 05:35:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 11:35:05 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt > to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version > 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because > the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style > if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? --------- It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 23:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26064 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 23:17:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Berg wrote: >I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated >to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while >I wait for a native NT version). > >But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal >with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's >different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead >of as IBM PC-type junk. > I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic ones). Note, by the way, that MS-DOS Kermit's "set terminal code-page" does not actually do anything as far as loading code pages is concerned. It is simply a way to inform Kermit what the current code page actually is, so it can set up the correct translations. This is necessary because the DOS call that asks what the current code page is tends to lie, especially if it is not CP437 or CP850. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a CHARSET macro that displays all the characters of the current code page. What do you see when you type "charset" at the MS-Kermit> prompt? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 00:28:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patches Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:28:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3g1hjv$261@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1705 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:8 John W. Manly wrote... I just noticed what appears to be some nasty behavior in Kermit. (I've tried this on both Kermit 3.13 and the Jan 12th 3.14). I have some code in a LOGIN.COM to try to set the label of the window and icon in a DECwindows session using and operations, and it appears that Kermit is choking on these sequences rather than ignoring them. > For example, if I send the either of the sequences, 21;FOOBAR or 2L;FOOBAR to the Kermit emulator, it freezes up and requires an ALT-= to reset it. These sequences are used by DECwindows for changeing the label of a window or icon (I forget which is which), and while I wouldn't expect Kermit to do anything upon reception, I wouldn't expect it to lock up either. And mrichmon@paz.gsfc.nasa.gov (Michael Richmond) wrote: I discovered a possible bug in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14 dated 12 Jan 1995. Kermit will find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f c:\not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini But it will not find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f \not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini That is, the drive letter must be supplied on the command line when the initialization file is not in the default directory. This restriction does not exist in version 3.14/Beta-14 dated 20 Nov 1994. These are both bugs. They are fixed by patches. The patch files are available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a. Transfer them in text mode: For KERMIT.EXE: msr314.pch For KERMITE.EXE: msrm314.pch For KERLITE.EXE: msrl314.pch Put them in your top-level KERMIT directory and, if you are using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, they will be applied automatically. If you are not using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, then put a PATCH command at the top of your startup file. You can tell that they have taken effect when Kermit's version herald reports: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 Thanks to Joe Doupnik for the quick fixes! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:37:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 23 Jan 95 11:37:10 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:38:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:09:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:08:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!joverton From: joverton@uoguelph.ca (Jeff Overton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Elavil and Heartburn Date: 23 Jan 1995 16:38:26 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3g0m22$ggd@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca Keywords: Elavil & Heartburn - Lisa Overton X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- I am wondering about a possible connection between the heartburn difficulties and amitrypline or Elavil. For me the symptoms of heartburn flared around the same time I was increasing the dosage of Amit. Just wondering if anyone else has had this experience or if anyone knows if Elavil can aggravate heartburn or reflux problems? I am taking 150 mg Zantac daily , doesn't seem to be helping really. I am considering trying to go on a low carb diet or cutting out milk altogether. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Lisa Overton, Guelph, ON Canada...That's 'gwelf' From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help needed Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:30:40 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3g0skg$j8n@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to upload via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 80 and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or Qmodem which can be configured like this? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:09:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 23 Jan 1995 21:09:56 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3g15v4$kc@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: :>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. :A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that :(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this :area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we Way back then I think we about covered and analyzed every possible angle. I respect Frank's views and I know he appreciated mine. I see no reason for going over exactly the same arguments and counter-arguments again after just a few months. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:18:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Control: cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 16:18:49 -0500 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.161849@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:03:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!wetware!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Latin-1 (problem solved) Date: 24 Jan 1995 08:03:55 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3g2c9b$9ar@hack.dragoman.com> References: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > >I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit >displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have >CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow >fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code >page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to >find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" >OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic >ones). > I figured out how to get most of Latin-1 to display OK. I just had to set the terminal to VT220 or VT320. When I had set the terminal to VT100, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 was displaying the characters as CP437 - i.e., without translation. This is a change from 3.13. (I booted up WFW 3.11 and observed the same behavior). Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:32:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Message-Id: <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 14:32:55 MDT References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and > pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to > automatically send and receive files from another computers. > > I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected > to my host, I get the string placed and executed. > > However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error > complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. > > For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on > the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords > match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. > > My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. > I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > > Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the > impression from the documentation that this should work. ---------- Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized (the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 09:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.155339.39082@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 15:53:39 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: >> >> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? >> > > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. ----------- I'm moving this thread into my net.trivia queue. Macros don't overlay hard coded command names. They may conflict with some abbreviations of hard coded command names. If a one or two letter macro name does this for you then please choose another combination. It's hardly something to create a lot of traffic about. The general rule to apply is avoid macro names which are the same as a command or an abbreviation of a command; that will be a safe rule under all circumstances. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: :In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :> :> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :> I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected :> to my host, I get the string placed and executed. :> :> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error :> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. :> :> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on :> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords :> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. :> :> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the :> impression from the documentation that this should work. :---------- : Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized :(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal :emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and :acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. : Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending :file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say :CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not :terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. : Joe D. So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. Oh well, c'est la vie! --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:51:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: >:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >:> >:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and >:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to >:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. > Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. >:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. >:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. >So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work >with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar >functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. > Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 can be an APC sender. If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 15:19:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:19:18 GMT Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE Can't change speed to 14400 I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with a 28.8 USR Sportster. My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets set modem sportster set line /dev/ttyS1 set speed 115200 set file type text set file name lit set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my modem, thinking these people knew more than I. Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this jibberish? (-; Thanks, Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 02:43:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 09:43:34 MST Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR [article both posted and mailed] In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >--------- > It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. > Joe D. I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: MS-Kermit>ver IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 MS-Kermit>show macro x No macro(s) Free space (bytes) for names: 612 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit>define x push MS-Kermit>show macro x X = push Free space (bytes) for names: 607 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 13:46:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 26 Jan 1995 13:46:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message > > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE > Can't change speed to 14400 > >I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with >a 28.8 USR Sportster. > >My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: > >set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly >set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial >set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots >set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking >set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets >set modem sportster >set line /dev/ttyS1 >set speed 115200 >set file type text >set file name lit >set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} > >I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my >modem, thinking these people knew more than I. > >Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? > As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what the connection speed turns out to be. Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, or locked. You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for a longer explanation. >P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently >means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this >jibberish? (-; > It probably means "don't let the modem send data to the computer unless the computer is asserting the Request To Send (RTS) signal". That's one half (one direction) of the bidirectional RTS/CTS flow-control regime. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 19:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 24 Jan 1995 14:12:55 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to automatically send and receive files from another computers. I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected to my host, I get the string placed and executed. However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the impression from the documentation that this should work. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:18:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ml5d+ From: Mark Kuang Luo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help. Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:18:08 -0500 Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 8 Message-Id: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. Thanks _/ason From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:58:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:15:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 24 Jan 95 13:29:37 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 21:19:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:19:45 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: : Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment : single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. -- David From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 07:17:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.131737.39041@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 13:17:37 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > [article both posted and mailed] > > In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >>> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >>--------- >> It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. >> Joe D. > > I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation > is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution > to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: > > MS-Kermit>ver > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 > MS-Kermit>show macro x > No macro(s) > Free space (bytes) for names: 612 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit>define x push > MS-Kermit>show macro x > X = push > Free space (bytes) for names: 607 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit> > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? -------- Yes, use "F" as in my example above. Not all macro names in conflict with exiting names will be accepted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:00:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:00:46 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? Thanks. cc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 23:55:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 23:55:32 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to the remote dialup server. This is my last resort; I've spoken with system administrators and they have never even heard of such problems. I've tried everything I can think of; switching COM drivers, changing the flow control and speed, changing the packet size ... everything, Thanks in advance ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 06:17:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Message-Id: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> From: "Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh!" Date: 25 JAN 95 00:15:43 AST Sender: usenet@unb.ca Organization: The University of New Brunswick Nntp-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. Thanks....Bernie. ____________________________________________________________ | Bernie Connors | Dept of Geodesy and Geomatics | | Surveying Engineering | University of New Brunswick | | (student) | Fredericton, New Brunswick | | Q56X@unb.ca | Canada | |_________________________|________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:37:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:37:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 79 Message-Id: <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: :In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :>In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, :>Joe Doupnik wrote: :>:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :>:> :>:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers :you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. : :>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, :which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. : :>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work :>with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar :>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. :> :Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. : :For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read :section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. : :For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations :that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have :this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it :was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments :stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and :therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would :do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the :accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read :about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. : :Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". : :And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, :and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 :can be an APC sender. : :If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them :by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. : :- Frank Sorry, I apoligize I guess I wasn't clear enough, or maybe I should've quoted the original post a little more than what I did. The ignorance is mine in this matter. I didn't think that I would have to be in terminal mode to make these macros work from the MSK side when I was using MSK locally and CK on the host. However, Joe's explanation that you need to be in terminal mode for the APC commands to be received straightened everything out for me. I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to execute them). Damn! Improper pronount/subject reference. Maybe I should've listened to my elementary school grammar teacher with a little more fervor? 8) Thanks for all the input though. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:01:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:01:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gaubj$qma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo wrote: >I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes >to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Or if anyone has a short >explanation, it would be appreciated. > I think you are asking: how can Kermit transfer 8-bit data over 7-bit communication links? You can find the answer in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Your school library probably has a copy. >Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page > Yes to both. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/. You'll find the FAQ in "Further Information". Also by ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 13:16:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!news.fundp.ac.be!Newsmaster From: jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 27 Jan 1995 13:16:07 GMT Organization: FUNDP, Namur, Belgium Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jean-luc.goffin@fundp.ac.be Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-jlg.cc.fundp.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>and TCP/IP 32? >Yes. >> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>packet driver will not work. >> >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >discussion of this problem. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >for the information you are asking for. > >- Frank I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications in files system.ini and protocol.ini. I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat file. Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. Thanks for any info, Jean-Luc From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:04:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:04:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gauhc$qte@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thomas David Nichols wrote: >Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: >: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > >Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You >could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. > No, it would not work. There is presently no reliable way to imbed comments within an MS-DOS Kermit command, and a macro definition is a command. You can have full-line comments and trailing comments, but not imbedded comments. Yes, this is a desirable feature, and maybe it will appear in a future release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:07:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gaunq$r44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>, Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh! wrote: >Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with >C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? >I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to >turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. > This is explained, clearly I hope, in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There is no explicit command to turn this feature off and on. It is used if PARITY is not NONE, i.e. if it is EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE. If PARITY is NONE, it is not used. Note that Kermit will detect EVEN, ODD, or MARK parity automatically, and will use 8th-bit prefixing (and/or locking shifts) if it is detected, as it must do in order to transmit 8-bit data through a 7-bit channel. Also note that the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:18:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3gavbl$s4o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is >mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a >message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? > It doesn't have to be. There is a Macintosh version of Kermit and everybody is free to use it and discuss it, but it's only fair to warn you that it is not supported as well as MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, or IBM Mainframe Kermit, due to lack of Macintosh programmers available to work on the project. Mac Kermit was originally written here at Columbia University in the days when we still had a staff of professional programmers for Kermit software development. Those days are long gone, and since then we have relied on a succession of volunteer programmers elsewhere. The last of these succumbed to the exigencies of Real Life some years ago, and since then the Macintosh-specific aspects of Mac Kermit have remained relatively static, which would not be such a bad thing if it were not for the fact that Macintosh hardware and OSs have been changing out from under it at a rapid pace. For example, Mac Kermit suddenly lost its ability to download (receive) files when Mac OS 7.1 was released, because a particular system call started working differently (I fixed this problem myself, but that should not be taken as an indication that I know anything about Macintosh programming!). The current version of Mac Kermit is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It has some problems and limitations, which are listed in the accompanying "beware" file, but it is quite usable for many purposes and has a good VT320 emulator. Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. Macintosh programmers with an MPW C 3.2 (or later) development system are more than welcome to pitch in. Nothing would please me more than to be able to bring Mac Kermit back to life. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:27:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gavrk$sq9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >... >I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. >I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there >was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local >machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation >present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to >execute them). > Maybe this will help. There are different approaches to automating things. If you want the client (the "local" Kermit, the Kermit that is running on the PC on your desk, or whatever) to control things, then you do this with a script program using INPUT and OUTPUT and related commands to send commands to the host and read and act on its responses. If you want the host to control things, then your local Kermit must be in terminal mode, and the host sends commands to it embedded in APC sequences. A third configuration has the host Kermit program in server mode, and the local Kermit controlling it with SEND, GET, REMOTE, and FINISH commands. A fourth has the local Kermit in server mode and the remote one controlling it in the same way. Other combinations can be imagined, e.g. both Kermit programs running scripts at the same time that interact with each other, but the main trick is in appreciating that we don't have a "modeless" situation here, so when automating things, the controlling script must be conscious of what mode the controlled entity is in. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:38:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:38:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 >CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to >upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under >about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! > >I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host >also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and >OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no >more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote >machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the >problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar >with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect >and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to >the remote dialup server. > Data connections are rarely symmetrical. The fact that something works in one direction is not a good predictor of success in the other direction. Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging through the technical manuals for the devices involved. But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 25 03:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 24 Jan 1995 22:06:33 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g4f7p$ksh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are you looking of native mode or scan code mode??? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:34:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 27 Jan 95 19:34:09 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? > I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is > KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. The probability is 1: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:13:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:21:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:20:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!pavo.concordia.ca!g_rober From: g_rober@pavo.concordia.ca (ROBERT, GABRIEL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to do VT100 emulation in C-Kermit under FreeBSD ? HELP! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:13 -0500 Organization: Concordia University Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo3.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I need to emulate a VT100 terminal from FreeBSD version 1. I am currently using Kermit 5A(190). A friend told me there was no way to do such a thing! I hope somebody out ther would have a better answer: I am looking for: 1) a way to do it from Kermit OR 2) a VT-100 terminal emulation that I could use from FreeBSD to contact the host. (I am using a 386) Thank you in advance: any help will be greatly appreciated Gabriel ROBERT Computer Science, 2nd year Concordia University, CANADA From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 20:38:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:38:27 GMT Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, >tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on >the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream >traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream >traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). > >Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your >case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your >DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. > >To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the >communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging >through the technical manuals for the devices involved. ... and having access to that communications equipment. I doubt PUCC would be to keen on such an extended level of customer service. >But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible >means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: >between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the >terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow >control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such >as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not >always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports >RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned >assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. Well, I was using RTS/CTS between my PC and the modem, and no flow control between the machine and the terminal server. I've tried changing these with no success. I can't figure out what the modem pool uses to communicate with the terminal server, and I don't think I could change it if I needed to. So, I guess I'm just hosed, unless other people start complaining about this as well ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 09:46:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Darin Wayrynen) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:46:23 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8554 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1738 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? I can't (won't!) run Windows. I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) I'm desparate. Please help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com [Posted to both comp.protocols.ppp and comp.protocols.kermit.misc] From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 03:36:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (group 1 and group 2 modules) UNIX Date: 27 Jan 1995 22:36:47 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3gce4f$6at@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to know how to maintain global variables after I pass in and out of the user interface. I checked the program logic manual, but it only made a passing reference to the fact the variables are not normally kept when calling group 2 fuctions. Please help me this is the last thing I need to get my custom version into beta:) thanks in advance, Paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:36:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl4.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 25 Jan 1995 08:36:23 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free >software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you >won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free >Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of >the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The >Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the >good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and >generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are >forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If >millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might >think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and >give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem >to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" >(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" >with no compensation. Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 19:44:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:44:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working on an internal version of c-kermit.....I need to know where I can declare a couple of vars (3 ints and a char array) such that they will be global to all modules. thanks in advance paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 04:40:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.104036.39192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 10:40:36 MDT References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 137 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo writes: > Hi: > I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes > to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a > www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. ------------- Far be it from me to do your homework (I'm a Prof too, and my grad networks class is slaving away on my IP packet fragment reassembly techniques without many hints from me). Your question is a little mysterious. Kermit does not display all bytes as ASCII because not all byte values (code points in the jargon) are displayable (printable in the jargon). Control codes aren't, for example. Only one character set is ASCII, ASCII itself. Yet Kermit deals with many different character sets. In general, there isn't a way of answering adequately in a News message, but I'll indicate the tip of the iceberg in a few sentences. Display devices have one or two display "pages", named Graphics Left (GLeft) and Graphics Right (GRight). GLeft is without a high bit set in its code points and is often ASCII; GRight is for code points with the high bit set and is a variety of character sets. VT100 terminals have only GLeft and use control codes SO and SI to change to/from (Shift Out / In, respectively) a replacement character set. VT200 and above have GLeft and GRight, and they support ISO 2022 control sequences to map character sets to either GR or GL. ISO 2022 says behind the GR/GL display pair exists four pages named G0..G3 ready to move into GR/GL upon command. Commands exist to load G0..G3 with character sets of choice drawn from a secondary storage of many possible sets. If you review cryptic doc msvibm.vt located on kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a you will see the command sequences to load GR/GL from G0..G3, to shift in/out, and so on. That's hard to understand without also reading the ISO 2022 doc, but we can't reproduce the latter item (copyright, etc). A cutout of some interesting pieces of msvibm.vt are appended below. If you have access to DEC VT200/300/400 technical manuals then they have good pictures and discussion of the ISO 2022 mechanisms. Joe D. --------------- ESC ( SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G0 ESC ) SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G1 ESC * SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G2 ESC + SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G3 ESC - SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G1 ESC . SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G2 ESC / SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G3 size character set A 94 UK-ASCII (ASCII, sharp sign 2/3 replaced by Sterling sign), strictly only when a VT102 but permitted by Kermit also for VT220/VT320 A 96 ISO Latin-1 (default in G2, G3) B 94 ASCII (default in G0, G1) 0 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) 1 94/96 Kermit, ALT-ROM 2 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) %5 94 DEC Supplemental Graphics < 94/96 User Preferred Supplemental Set* > 94 DEC Technical set (from VT340's) H 96 Hebrew-ISO (ISO 8859-8) "4 94 Hebrew-7 * VT300 terminals give choice of ISO Latin-1 (96) or DEC Supplemental Graphics (94) determined by a Setup menu selection or host command. VT420 Hebrew terminals add choices of Hebrew-ISO and Hebrew-7. MS-DOS Kermit has DEC Supplemental Graphics as the startup UPSS character set. If the size of the character set does not match the nothing happens. Startup defaults are ASCII in G0 and G1, ISO Latin-1 in G2 and G3, GL points to G0, GR points to G2. Activating DEC National Replacement Characters maps the NRC set selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET into G0..G3. Single and Locking shifts, SS2, SS3, LS0 (SI), LS1 (SO), LS1R, LS2, LS2R, LS3, LS3R determine which set is mapped to the GLeft or GRight area. ESC n LS2 Map character set in G2 to GL, locking shift ESC o LS3 Map character set in G3 to GL, locking shift ESC | LS3R Map character set in G3 to GR, locking shift ESC } LS2R Map character set in G2 to GR, locking shift ESC ~ LS1R Map character set in G1 to GR, locking shift Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation SO/LS1 0/14 0eh ^N Map character set in G1 to GL, locking shift SI/LS0 0/15 0fh ^O Map character set in G0 to GL, locking shift Control codes in C1 (high bit set) Area: Name ASCII value chart 8-bit 7-bit operation SS2 8/14 8eh ESC N Map G2 to GL for next char only, single shift SS3 8/15 8fh ESC O Map G3 to GL for next char only, single shift Character sets: VT320 Character set storage areas G0 G1, G2, and G3 ------------------------------- -------------------------------- Any 94 char set Any 94 or 96 char set ASCII ("B"/94) default G1 default is ASCII ("B"/94), G2 and G3 defaults are ISO Latin-1 ("A"/96) Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS-DOS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) User Preferred, UPSS, if Suppl Gr. UPSS if ISO Latin-1 or Suppl Gr. DEC-Hebrew or Hebrew-ISO National Replacement Characters are forced into all sets when activated by CSI ? 42 h but only if a has been previously selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET VT102 Character set storage areas G0 and G1 G2 and G3 -------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ASCII ("B"/94) Default ASCII ("B"/94) Default Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) National Replacement Characters Always ASCII ("B"/94) are selected and activated by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET and affect only G0 and G1. Request CSI ? 26 n keyboard dialect Response CSI ? 27; Ps n in MS Kermit this is controlled by command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET Ps Country Ps Country 1 North American/ASCII 9 Italian 2 British 13 Norwegian/Danish 8 Dutch 16 Portugese 6 Finnish 15 Spanish 14 French 12 Swedish 4 French Canadian 11 Swiss (German) 7 German 14 Hebrew From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 22:22:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:43:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 25 Jan 1995 22:22:13 GMT Organization: UDP Inc. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet09.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone suggest an alternate method to explore? Any help offered is greatly appreciated. David From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 17:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 28 Jan 1995 17:26:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >Hello, > > My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit >data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I >have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is >kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone >suggest an alternate method to explore? No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your dilemma. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 03:50:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Message-Id: <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 09:50:59 MDT References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be>, jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) writes: >>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>>and TCP/IP 32? > >>Yes. > >>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>>packet driver will not work. >>> > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >>discussion of this problem. > >>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >>mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >>to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >>for the information you are asking for. >> >>- Frank > > I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications > in files system.ini and protocol.ini. > I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" > "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat > file. > > Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 > under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, > netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. ------------- Syntax errors you will have to work out slowly at your end, but I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack loaded. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 17:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Message-Id: <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:43:16 +0000 Reply-To: Michael Bernardi Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: The Children's Society X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: >As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug >in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been >replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. > >If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you >want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of >your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other >file you might have modified. Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 12:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 18:06:30 CST Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this problem? I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence (13 seconds). The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my preferences in the modem itself. Help on any or all of these problems would be greatly appreciated. If you need more information, I'll be more than happy to provide it. Thanks for your help, Troy Smith P.S. Sorry if the formatting is weird, but I'm using an unfamiliar editor to post this. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:13:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to do VT100 Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:13:10 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge506$27d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What kind of terminal are you using?? From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: C-Kermit Development (global vars) Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge56t$28f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Just like in any C program, any variable that you declare outside of >a function is global to the entire program unless you declare it >static. > >However, I would recommend that you declare the vars in the module >closest in association with the use of the vars. >Might I ask what modifications you are making to the ck code? Thanks for the reply - I have plowed my way through the code and now have the new version in test. (I ended up declaring the vars outside main in ckcmai and then declairing them as external in the other mods) My only remaining problem is one that I need my vars to live on after the user passes in uses the command mode (user interface..... ie When I drop to the C-kermit> prompt then move back to connect mode all my vars are reinitiated. This is refered to in the Program Logic manual only they refer to them as group 1 and group 2 fuctions. At Last to my question: Using the nomenclature of the Program Logic Manual I need to maintain my vars when moving from group 1 fuctions to group 2 fuctions. How I do this?? :) This version keeps a copy of the current terminal screen in memory, and a tool or two to use that screen. thanks, paul From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 26 02:18:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 21:18:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g70oq$3u0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A little more background: 1) The vars are currently defined in ckcmai 2) 2 small fuctions live in ckutio 3) another fuction lives in one of the ckuusr modules 4) All seems to work fine while I remain in connect mode. However if I exit to the prompt and return my vars are redefined. :( Again, thanks in advance. paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 11:16:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: <1995Jan28.171658.39633@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 17:16:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8581 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1751 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and > now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, > and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. > > Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like > mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike > Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? > > I can't (won't!) run Windows. > > I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) > > I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) > > I'm desparate. --------- Well, just how does your service provider indicate the IP number to be used for a particular connection? If it's sent as part of a logon message then what you need is to write a tiny script to do the logon chatter and pick out the IP number. Note that MSK v3.14 supports \v(input) to make the INPUT command's buffer available to the sundry \f...() string manipulation operators. Might your provider support Bootp over SLIP? If so that's the end of the problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 14:49:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!mcc!paul.garcia From: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help ne Message-Id: <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 00:49:00 +1000 Distribution: world Organization: My Computer Company BBS, Australia [+61] (02) 565-1044 Reply-To: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> X-Newsreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to circumvent this? Appreciate any advice. <> * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Navy pilot's worst nightmare...NO CARRIER! From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 03:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 03:01:59 GMT Organization: Home Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet14.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask >what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? > >Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your >dilemma. > Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 07:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 07:39:12 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up on other comm programs. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 01:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan26.070621.39295@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 95 07:06:21 MDT References: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) > and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten > when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this > problem? A blind guess is your host is addressing the status line specifically, such as ESC [ 25 ; column H. LOG SESSION to obtain material for analysis, wrap in uuencoding to protect binary information, mail to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu, with commentary. I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having > another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly > --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the > connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from > 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, But it can be. Please use the one shipped with MSK 3.14 and add your changes. > I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a > couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods > the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to > our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will Something at your end, such as providing expanded memory but forgetting to pin down where the 64KB expanded memory frame goes (that's a frame=segment kind of construction). Please review the release notes in v3.14 about memory management. > sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server > (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, > busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This > may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence > (13 seconds). > > The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it > tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script > that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my > preferences in the modem itself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 10:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:50:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!CMSFJK From: CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (F.J.Kelley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 15:31:52 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1756 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15512 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Net, Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered elsewhere, but .... I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor (FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would appreciate any information you might have, thanks, -- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 05:13:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!ulkyvm.louisville.edu!JWPURPZ1 From: JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:13:07 EST Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173358FB7S85.JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvm.louisville.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: [re: software costs, etc.] >Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books >just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. I think this is a great way to do it. I recently bought Lamport's book on LaTeX. Anytime you can get the quality of software in Kermit or LaTeX, etc. for the price of a <$40 book it's a bargain! I hope it's a trend. WAKELEY PURPLE JWPURPZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU WAKEP@IGLOU.COM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:33:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:33:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ggch0$74l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1758 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15534 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu>, F.J.Kelley wrote: >Hi Net, >Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered >elsewhere, but .... >I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The >problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running >NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor >(FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I >could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no >problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not >been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit >for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though >I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but >no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would >appreciate any information you might have, thanks, >-- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu You cannot use MS-DOS Kermit in OS/2 for Telnet without being able to dedicate a separate Network card to its DOS session. However, the xlate table you create for the Cyber should work for C-Kermit. The question is where is the xlate table installed. I assume that it is a table that defines a terminal emulation and keyboard setup. Correct? If so, then what you need to do is create a keyboard map file that sets the keys up so that they match those that you are using in MS-DOS Kermit. Take a look at CKOVTK2.INI for an example of a complete VT220 keyboard layout. Be sure to be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190), not 5A(189). ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko190.zip Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:35:25 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ggcjt$19r@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack >nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack >loaded. > Joe D. Hi Joe, I have not yet downloaded the final version of Kermit 3.14 and have not read the SETUP.DOC for NETWORKS, but there may be a solution. Dan Lanciani has written a NDIS3 to real mode packet driver VXD which is supposed to handle this sort of thing. It multiplexes the WIN32 IP stack with the DOS packet driver based IP stack. This should allow Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack to function. I have not tested this with Kermit, but it is similar to PKTMUX in function. It's worth examining. There is a reference to this driver and a location in the comp.os.tcpip.ibmpc FAQ. Brian Angus bangus@hookup.net bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:42:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:42:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: > >Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET on the intermediary file. You can talk to me in private for more details if you want to pursue this avenue. Of course, if there was a programmer available who had access to a AS/400 that was willing to help us in the port of C-Kermit to that platform, well we would be very appreciative. :-) Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:45:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? Random characters at the current cursor position? Random characters at some other position? Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Could you please define "leaking"? Are you using hardware flow control? Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 30 02:28:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit uploading problem Date: 29 Jan 1995 21:28:29 -0500 Organization: CS Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? Symptoms: 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. 2. NO problem uploading text files. 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? Hardware: Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. Any help would be highly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 14:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Message-Id: <1995Jan29.203446.39743@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jan 95 20:34:46 MDT References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) writes: > I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > > Symptoms: > > 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. > 2. NO problem uploading text files. > 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > > I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. > I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > > Hardware: > Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis > PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 > Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. > > Any help would be highly appreciated. ------------- More information is needed, I'm afraid to say. Which versions of Kermits are being used? The VERSION command and the startup herald will show that. Flow control *must* be used, particularly going to the VAXen. Since hardware flow control is difficult to achieve on VAXen you are stuck with XON/XOFF, so be sure the VAX side can send it (see your VAX system manager). Then do not unprotect XON/XOFF control codes in Kermit packets because that will let data mistakenly act as flow control bytes. Finally, examine the PARITY situation. If parity is in use be sure to tell both Kermits about it, else you will lose the high bit of bytes and the transfer will fail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 07:31:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 07:31:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >> >>Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. > >Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as >the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary >machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with >Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. > >You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >on the intermediary file. That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 link if performance is an issue. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:21:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu!SPDREH From: SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Michael Dreher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 21:21:02 CST Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <1733512C41S86.SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu> References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) writes: >KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa >KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 >KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate >KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or >KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > >I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I >heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet >lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to >circumvent this? > >Appreciate any advice. > > I'll answer to both, although I know Telix better than Terminate. There's a couple of threads about Telix and MS-Kermit in Fidonet. Basically, you can install MS-Kermit as an external protocol in Telix. What you need is a simple batch file that has one line: (Pick based on which version of Kermit you have) c:\msker314\kerlite.exe (MS-Kermit 3.14) c:\msker313\kermit.exe (MS-Kermit 3.13) -- adjust based on your path. Save the batch file as KERMIT.BAT and call it from the External protocols menu. You do not have to pass file names. The download and upload batch file is the same (KERMIT.BAT). You do need to have Kermit either in your PATH statement or in the same directory as Telix/Terminate. You then configure the long packets in the MSCUSTOM.INI files. I have packets set to 2000, and it works fine for me. That serves as the basics--you will want to check out the book as well as the Kermit FAQ--that will tell you how to optimize your performance even more. I have a poor server connection here, and can get 675 cps on text transfers at 9600 bps, and about 400 cps on binarys. The FAQ explains how to optimize still more. The FAQ is available by FTP to kermit.columbia.edu Telix does *NOT* have the full Kermit implementation--it's only a subset that has a max of 94 cps. That is explained in the Telix 3.2x documentation. I don't believe Telemate does either. That's why Frank and others urge us to use Columbia's Kermit. Hope this helps! Michael Dreher Dept. of Speech Communication Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3923 spdreh@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Internet) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:42:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gitsg$44f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH wrote: >I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > >1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. >2. NO problem uploading text files. >3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > >I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. >I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > Something in the upstream path is sensitive to the contents of the Kermit packets. If you are using the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX feature, then stop using it. If that is not the answer, then use SET PARITY SPACE. One or both of these should do the trick. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:55:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:55:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3giukt$50e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >>David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >>> >>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >>machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >>REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >>on the intermediary file. > >That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to >recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 >link if performance is an issue. The difference is that IND$FILE can be executed on OS/2 via a batch process. I do not believe that there is an automated ftp for OS/2 yet. Also, it is unclear whether TCP/IP services are available on this OS/400 system. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:27:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail From: smsummer@acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephan Martin Summerer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 08:27:24 -0700 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) Stephan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:53:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 19:53:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3gjg45$31i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, Stephan Martin Summerer wrote: >Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 >and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the >background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I >switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am >running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit >for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed >out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still >coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was >changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for >the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the >transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) > Stephan WARP provides no changes to the API for the system or its defaults. When using WARP you should only use 5A(190) as 5A(189) is not compatible with WARP's IAK. Of course, 5A(190) also has many additional features. Things that did change in WARP were the COM drivers. Many people have complained about the drivers when they don't have a buffered UART. You also don't mention what speed you are transmitting at. Make sure you are using hardware flow control. And what else are you running in the background? Are you using the Windows quick-load option by chance? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 23:02:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery and (nearly) full file systems Date: 30 Jan 1995 23:02:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3gjr5i$mh2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clearly, Kermit should take into account the fact that you are attempting to resume an interrupted transfer. You can get around the refusal, though. Just SET ATTR LEN OFF. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:56:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 30.Jan.1995 In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au>, paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) wrote: > KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) > KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > > KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa > KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 > KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate > KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or > KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > > > I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I > heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet > lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to > circumvent this? > > Appreciate any advice. Set Kermit up as an external protocol, and call on KERLITE.EXE [3.14] when transferring files. Examples a-plenty are given in the documentation that comes with Kermit. It's the only guarenteed way to get fast transfer rates and a guarentee to be able to connect to all modern Kermits. Get Kermit from ftp - kermit.columbia.edu under /kermit/bin/msv314.zip -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:58:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: Sven%OSLONETT@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Date: 31 Jan 1995 12:58:07 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all. Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? Hope to hear from you. Sven Andreassen [sven@oslonett.no] From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:24:19 GMT Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the | >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up | >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? My apologies. I've been busy and haven't had much time to check my mail. > Random characters at the current cursor position? Yes. About a character or two every half minute. > Random characters at some other position? No. > Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that > you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". > Could you please define "leaking"? "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at random intervals at the cursor screen). > Are you using hardware flow control? Yes. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:59:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr. Calvin Rome (dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil) wrote: : I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform : running SUNOS 4.1. I'm having no trouble with Netcom's SUNOS, with this in my script input 5 ogin: if success output helios\13 Maybe you should show us your script (with any passwords deleted) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 08:51:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!pa.dec.com!usasoc.soc.mil!dtd-lo3 From: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) Message-Id: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Subject: MSKermit Login Problem Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 13:51:59 EST X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA02446; Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:00:56 -0800 X-Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA23999; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:56 -0800 X-Received: from USASOC.SOC.MIL by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA26407; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.3 6/25/88) X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc.usenet@decwrl.dec.com X-Cc: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform running SUNOS 4.1. Here is the situation: I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: login: t-lo3 then it locks up Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: login: DD-3 then it locks up With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the password: login: dtd-lo3 Password: My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any suggestions? ********************************************************************** Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School *********************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!kauf0019 From: kauf0019@gold.tc.umn.edu (Lauren P Kauffman) Subject: kermit for DG AOS??? Message-Id: Sender: news@news.tc.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:23:05 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General MV7800XP AOS operating system? Lauren Kauffman From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:13:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!ames!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!wldelft.nl!dee From: dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Sender: dee@ws16sno.wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Organization: Waterloopkundig Laboratorium (Delft Hydraulics) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:13:43 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? Dick Dee dee@wldelft.nl From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:53:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 20:53:26 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. > > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem > transfers. > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. --------- No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as fast as the others and much better in many respects. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 20:31:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:37 -0500 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:31:32 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 05:15:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl8.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 21:15:46 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gn5e2$7am@crl8.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You can set up Kermit to run PDZ or DSZ (the former Public Domain and the latter Shareware). They do ZModem transfer. If you would like info. on how to use or get PDZ, send me E-Mail. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com ps: That's what I am using for connecting to my Unix shell account. Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: : > : > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. : > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). : > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in : > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. : > : > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem : > transfers. : > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? : > : > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. : --------- : No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We : think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as : fast as the others and much better in many respects. : Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 08:19:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: <1995Jan30.141916.39821@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 95 14:19:16 MDT References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) writes: > I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform > running SUNOS 4.1. > > Here is the situation: > > I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. > I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running > SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In > the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being > released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys > Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which > broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original > MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta > testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been > using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of > which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. > When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: > > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > > Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: > > login: DD-3 then it locks up > > With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the > password: > > login: dtd-lo3 > Password: > > My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better > for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any > suggestions? > > ********************************************************************** > Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office > Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center > dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School > *********************************************************************** ------------- SET TCP DEBUG ON to see Telnet Options negotiations blow by blow. The above has the indications of an Option your host wants but is not supported by MSK. LOG SESSION if you want us to have a look at it too (or give me a host name to try from my place). Another, related, thought it your host may require LF as a terminator rather than CR during the login process. Try ending lines in Control-J to see. Last thought is your host may not understand terminal type VT320 and it keeps asking for something different. This will show in the Options negotiations chatter. SET TCP TERM-TYPE is the way to say one thing and be another. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:25:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Control: cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Date: 1 Feb 1995 03:25:14 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3gnnia$7eg@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 11:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 17:58:22 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very annoying and if anyone knows a solution to this problem please email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post an answer here. Thnx. A. Webb From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 12:00:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.180059.84186@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 18:00:58 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since my last message didn't come out...I have to repost. I run kermit externally through minicom (a comm program for linux). Everytime after a transfer it hangs up. If anyone knows how to fix this either email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post it here. Thnx. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 12:49:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 04:49:22 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the DOS console?? If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:57:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for DG AOS??? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:57:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gob0v$rgp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Lauren P Kauffman wrote: >Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General >MV7800XP AOS operating system? > Yes, C-Kermit 5A(190). Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckd190.uue. This is a UUencoded AOS DUMPFILE. UUdecode it if you can ("uudecode" is not a standard part of AOS/VS, but there is an AOS/VS uudecode program included in the Kermit distribution as kermit/f/ckdeco.c). Get the resulting ckdker.pr file to your AOS/VS system and "undump" it; this gives you the AOS/VS kermit.pr executable plus all the various supporting files: ckermit.ini, ckcker.upd, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:00:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:00:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:00:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3gob7j$s0g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dick Dee wrote: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? > The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. Assuming you have version 3.13 or 3.14, please consult the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with it. There is a section called: TROUBLESHOOTING MS-DOS KERMIT SERIAL PORT AND MODEM PROBLEMS which contains all the information you need to get this working. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:04:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:04:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:11:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3gobqu$t3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, Mr. Calvin Rome wrote: >I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform >running SUNOS 4.1. > (Long description omitted...) Forget about script programming for a moment. Can you log in BY HAND? If not, given evidence like the following: > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > login: DD-3 then it locks up > login: dtd-lo3 > I would say that your host had suddenly been programmed to require a certain type of parity for incoming characters, most likely "even". Try telling MS-DOS Kermit to: set parity even (or "odd", "mark", or "space" if "even" doesn't do it) and most likely it will work. By the way, this is one of the most fundamental problems we encounter in data communications, and you could not have missed it if you had read the manual. - Frank P.S. There is no earthly reason why a host should *require* parity on incoming characters, so another approach would be to ask the system administrators to put it back the way it was before. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:19:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3gocat$mh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the >linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the >files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very >annoying... > Quoting from section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), "C-Kermit as an External Protocol", which applies to "pmcomm" but probably is also relevant to this question (I'd appreciate feedback on this so I can update the documentation): "pcomm" is a general-purpose terminal program that provides file transfer capabilities itself (X- and YMODEM variations) and the ability to call on external programs to do file transfers (ZMODEM and Kermit, for example). You can tell pcomm the command to send or receive a file with an external protocol: send receive ZMODEM sz rz Kermit kermit -s kermit -r pcomm runs external programs for file transfer by making stdin and stdout point to the modem port, and then exec-ing "/bin/sh -c xxx" (where xxx is the appropriate command). However, C-Kermit does not treat stdin and stdout as the communication device unless you instruct it: send receive Kermit kermit -l 0 -s kermit -l 0 -r The "-l 0" option means to use file descriptor 0 for the communication device. In general, any program can pass any open file descriptor to C-Kermit for the communication device in the "-l" command-line option. (End quote) From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 21:57:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!koala.uwec.edu!uwrf.edu!uwrf.edu!mn01 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> From: mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu Date: 1 Feb 95 15:57:17 -0600 Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls Nntp-Posting-Host: taz.acc.uwrf.edu Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps many of the other "typical" VT keys. Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: scan code \328 Verb: KP8 \KKP8 If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else in-between, I get the following: scan code \4424 Verb: uparr \Kuparr Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE or EDIT file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... If this is some standard PC-type keyboard thing, please forgive me. I'm not a pc person. Thanks in advance for any assistance. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Marlys A. Nelson System Manager, Systems Programmer, Academic Computing Network Manager, etc., etc. Univ. of WI - River Falls Internet: Marlys.A.Nelson@uwrf.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:52:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 31 Jan 1995 06:52:05 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33389 comp.protocols.ibm:3993 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1791 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: 1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. 2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. 3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. Solutions could be: a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given a need for a small RAM foot print... The kermit folks have any ideas? c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:37:38 GMT Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article Jim Nakamura wrote: | >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message | > | > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE | > Can't change speed to 14400 | As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt | to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which | you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to | agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. | Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the | connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what | the connection speed turns out to be. | Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should | generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, | or locked. | You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this | way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got | the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do | this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. | The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it | and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS | "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit | to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for | a longer explanation. Frank, many thanks. The error message went away after I followed your suggestion. I also took this opportunity to read pp. 60-61 of your fine manual which spends most of its time just sitting on my bookshelf (like all my books (-; ). By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. Do you know what's going on? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 22:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news From: Boyd Fjeldsted Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 1 Feb 1995 22:50:21 GMT Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-294.business.utah.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to download files from the remote host by means of the host's file download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but now also provides telnet services on port 23. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 03:33:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Message-Id: <1995Jan31.093303.39920@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 09:33:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Sven@OSLONETT (Sven Andreassen) writes: > Dear all. > > Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a > Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? > > I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to > the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers > actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two > different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- > driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. > Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). > > Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? > > Hope to hear from you. > > Sven Andreassen > [sven@oslonett.no] ------- It's not the method of reaching the board so much as having two or more protocol stacks of the same kind operating at once. Packets are delivered once, and hopefully (randomly...) to the right stack else trouble. We have repeatedly stressed in the Kermit documentation to use only one stack of a given kind over a board, with Kermit or any program. If you wish to try the multiplexers then it is at your risk and we can't lend a hand. Finally, I presume that "TCP/IP-32a" means Microsoft's stack, right? If so that is for Windows programs, not for DOS level programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 03:07:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:07:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >> >> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >> transfers. >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >> >> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >--------- > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) Any benchmarks ? Thanks, Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 21:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:15:02 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After obtaining the: > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\COMM\KRMT\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\COMM\KRMT\MSCUSTOM.INI... > Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. > Auto-upload and -download disabled. > Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. > Setting DOS Terminal modes > Smile! > CDL-AST> still indicated "patch level 0". Is the "patch level 0" an indication of the patch level of the base kermit.exe file I am running, or should it be an indication of the patch level following the installation of the patches contained in msr314.pch? I notice that if I use the: ver command, I still see "patch level 0", rather than "patch level 3" which I would expect. I realize that the kermit.exe file on disk will not change, but I would expect that after patches are installed, the version of kermit in memory would reflect the installed patches. Am I doing something wrong? Just curious ... TIA for any light that can be shed on this subject. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:02:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:02:46 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) writes: > Hi, > > I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: > > Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box > may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem > to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > > Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the > DOS console?? > > If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended > file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. ------------------- Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a familiar and managable form. We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do item on our wish list. If you are still interested then I suggest you contact Frank da Cruz and myself and we can discuss the technical and financial details off-line: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 2 04:03:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl6.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 20:03:06 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gplhq$on6@crl6.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com!barrett From: barrett@scr.slb.com (Mike Barrett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:15:21 UNDEFINED Organization: Schlumberger Cambridge Research Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to get it. Thanks Mike Barrett ----------------------+-------------------------------------- Mike Barrett | e-mail: barrett@cambridge.scr.slb.com Schlumberger Cambridge| Phone : 0223 325200 Research, PO Box 153, | FAX : 0223 327019 Cambridge, England. | ----------------------+-------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 2 Feb 1995 13:58:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqoeb$233@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted wrote: >After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to >download files from the remote host by means of the host's file >download menu? > If the remote host (service, BBS, etc) includes Kermit file transfer capability, then: in theory, yes. In practice, it depends on its Kermit implementation. Most BBS's either lack Kermit file transfer capability, or offer a nonfunctional or barely-functional one. >If so, what Kermit settings are required? > Try "set parity space". >An example of such a host >is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but >now also provides telnet services on port 23. > Such services are becoming increasingly common. Users of such services are encouraged to contact the administrators and urge them to install real Kermit software to execute the Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:02:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:02:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gqolb$2an@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Barrett wrote: >Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for >good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can >someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) >or tell me where to get it. > A Frequently Asked Question, and one which is answered in our FAQ. The answer is Yes. It is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It runs under Windows, in either full-screen mode or in a Window, it has good file transfer, and it does Tek graphics. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:58:06 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Barrett (barrett@scr.slb.com) wrote: : Hi. : Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good : file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either : give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to : get it. The standard distribution of MS-Kermit includes a PIF file to run under Windows, but it runs very slowly. You can speed it up by running in a full-screen DOS window with text-only display instead of graphics, but my 486/66 system can't quite keep up with compressed text at 14.4 kbps. The text-only display probably won't do Tek graphics, though I haven't tried that. Also, the first time through my MSCUSTOM.INI file, the system can't find COM4, but a manual TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI works. I suppose this is a timing problem in Windows. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:51:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 06:51:33 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>> >>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >>> >>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >>> transfers. >>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >>> >>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >>--------- >> No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >>fast as the others and much better in many respects. > > In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? > Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? > (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) > > Any benchmarks ? --------------- Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? If not please do. Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:13:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 2 Feb 1995 15:13:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gqsr3$85s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? > Just so it does not have the same name as "kermit". That way when build a new binary, it does not automatically overwrite a previous one, provided you had renamed the previous one to "kermit". >Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE >C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit >this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I >hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. > Please send me your .mykermrc file, and let me know exactly how you are invoking Kermit, and also remind me exactly which kind of UNIX this is on, which version, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 17:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!kan From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 17:36:36 GMT Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed of the modem. Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? Raymond Kan U of Toronto From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 18:40:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 18:40:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3gr8u5$rkf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca>, Raymond Kan wrote: >Hi, > > I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal >fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, >the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, >I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed >of the modem. > Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 >kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. I use CK 5A(190) at 115200 every day. So thoughts are that it is either a problem with your modem, or the com drivers you are using. Can you talk to the modem at 115200 with other packages? What version of OS/2 are you using? What Comm drivers are you using? > BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? I recommend P over m2zmodem. p205.zip is available from ftp.cdrom.com. P is free whereas m2zmodem costs money. P also works over networks whereas m2zmodem does not. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:12:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101239.40096@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:12:39 MDT References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp>, MoYun writes: > In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c > c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > >> Hi: >> >> I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be >> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the >> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. >> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. >> >> How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in >> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? >> > > > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw > graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. > What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? > > Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet > similar to Ms-windows should be done. ----------------- This appears to be possibly a machine configuration problem, not a Kermit one. One must be sure to protect video memory, segments A000-BFFF, so that nothing else uses that space. The display adapter must be able to do graphics work in using standard EGA, Herc mono, CGA modes as a default, or if you choose VGA or VESA then those higher resolution modes too. There is no special preparation needed outside of Kermit other than rational machine setup for normal use. To help further we need more information, such as the machine configuration and a sample LOG SESSION file (uuencoded for Mailing) to play back locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:18:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101814.40098@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:18:14 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: > I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or > MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message > "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications > programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? ------------- No, we don't. PCMCIA seems to be a very loose spec so the matchup between hardware and drivers is very questionable at best. If the modem and driver don't behave as a real UART to clients such as Kermit then it's not behaving properly. There is nothing much I can do about it, lacking that particular PCMCIA card, the laptop in which it is inserted, and the drivers for it. Kermit does work fine on at least one IBM Thinkpad because I setup that machine for a colleague. However, I have no laptop myself so please don't ask me questions about PCMCIA and its drivers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 05:00:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!hakozaki.karrn!kyu-cs!MoYun From: MoYun Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Organization: Falcuty of Engineering, Kyushu Univeristy Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> References: Reply-To: MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Nntp-Posting-Host: goro.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Ecom-Version: 3.01.09 (PC98/PCTCP) In-Reply-To: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp's message of Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > Hi: > > I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be > drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the > display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. > I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. > > How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in > Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet similar to Ms-windows should be done. Thank you in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) |~~~~~~~~~~~ Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 22:35:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 31 Jan 1995 22:35:30 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:48:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:48:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > > Installing patches... > > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep coming up: Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion about patching. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:55:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:55:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu>, Watson, John McClain wrote: >Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > What version of MS-DOS Kermit? Are you dialing manually or using a dialing script? Which dialing script? Note that we do not have a dialing script for the PPI V.34 modem, but we do have one for the PPI V.32bis model. The changes (if any are needed) should be straightforward. If anybody wants to send me a copy of the PPI V.34 command reference, I'll be glad to do any necessary adaptation. The same goes for all the other modem brands that recently came out with V.34 models, or, for that matter, any modem brands at all. The more manuals we have, the better support we can give. To attempt to answer the question: If you can use Kermit to dial the modem, but the modem does not make a successful connection, this is usually explained by the modem's configuration as to modulation, error correction, data compression, and the fallback procedures for each. In general, you want to configure your modem to start at the type and work its way down, so you get the best possible type of connection with the answering modem. It sounds like your modem is configured to refuse to connect if it does not negotiate a particular modulation or protocol. Or the same could be true of the modem on the answering end. Many other explanations are possible too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 18:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!dcsmith From: dcsmith@netcom.com (Dwayne C. Smith) Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:19:41 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? >Dick Dee >dee@wldelft.nl I'm using an a TDK PCMCIA modem in a ZEOS colornote and I don't have any trouble with it. If you've got the full distribution, you should have a KERMIT.BWR file that outlines known bugs and workarounds. -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / dcsmith@netcom.com a stately pleasure dome decree. / If these opinions were someone else's, Where Alph the sacred river ran / they'd express them instead of me... through caverns measureless to man / down to a sunless sea. / Samuel Taylor Coleridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 23:04:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 23:04:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 20:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ossi.com!news.fujitsu.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: CMS Kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:02:43 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there any hardware or software limitations that would cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:25:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:25:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3grt6k$4do@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Watson, John McClain wrote: >>Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >>says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > >This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know >how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. > CARRIER is a "call progress" message, not a call completion message. MS-DOS Kermit scripts such as PP14400.SCR ignore them (but print them on the screen so the user can see what's going on). They do no harm at all, and in fact Kermit enables them on purpose (ATW1). The call completion message would be CONNECT . The high-speed MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts look for "CONNECT" and ignore the , thus keeping the interface speed fixed. And by the way, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version, released just a couple weeks ago) supports 28800 as an interface speed, even though it should rarely be necessary to use it (remember: when using high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems, your interface speed should be higher than the connection speed to allow compression to do its stuff). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:32:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:32:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3grtiv$51p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Are there any hardware or software limitations that would >cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set >at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > Yes. The packet length is determined as follows: 1. The file receiver tells the file sender the longest packet it is prepared to receive. There is a default, and then there is a command to let the user change the default. The default is normally 94, and the command is normally "set receive packet-length". 2. The file sender has a maximum size that it can send. The size that is actually used by the sender is the smaller of its own maximum and the declared maximum of the receiver. In the case of IBM mainframe Kermit, the maximum length it can send generally depends on the communication method. If it is going through a 3270 protocol converter such as a Series/1 or 7171, the maximum length packet is somewhere around the 3270 screen size, e.g. 24 x 80 = 1920, give or take a few bytes. This is a limitation of the 3270 emulation box and/or software, and has nothing to do with Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 08:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 08:42:15 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem transfers. Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. Thanks, -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 02:43:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: kheesoon@einstein.technet.sg (Maverick Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: Thu, 02 Feb 95 10:43:11 PST Organization: CISCO Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Reply-To: kheesoon@technet.sg Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, everyone Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare currently. Hope to hear from everone soon ! thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 16:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!hal.hahnemann.edu!mcneal From: mcneal@hal.hahnemann.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Access of previous articles Date: 31 Jan 95 21:53:39 EST Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I access earlier articles of this news group? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 21:29:27 MDT References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > > -Curtiss --------- Maximum packet size is a negotiated property, negotiated to the largest common value. 1915 bytes is a magic limit on CMS Kermit, and it's also more than adequate to overcome packet header overhead. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:02:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:02:38 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. [...] >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. Although I don't see why one would want to use [XYZ]modem transfers when both ends have a proper Kermit, it possible to have rzsz.exe perform your file transfers for you. Its been a long while since I did such a thing, but I used to connect to a host that only supported Zmodem transfers with an older version of MS-Kermit, so it is possible, although I don't recall using anything so nice and packaged as the "rz" macro of C-Kermit (what I did was more like: start remote Zmodem transfer, suspend MS-Kermit, fire-up rzsz, resume MS-Kermit). I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 16:07:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!citicorp.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:07:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 02.Feb.1995 > Select from the following transfer protocols: > > T - TYPE file to your screen > C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture > A - ASCII only, no Control Codes > X - XMODEM > O - XMODEM-1k > Y - YMODEM (Batch) > G - YMODEM-g (Batch) > S - SEAlink > K - KERMIT > W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) > Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) > > Choose one (Q to Quit): > --------- > That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first > and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at > the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so > the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite > the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet > with no modems involved. This list looks like the venerable TBBS, which is a pretty darned sturdy BBS, and has one of the fastest internal Kermit transfers of internal Kermits in BBS's. (I give TBBS great credit for keeping various transfer protocols like ASCII with DC2/DC4 capture, variant with no control codes, two variants of Kermit, and a sharp version of Zmodem which is also speedy). But I agree - the Kermit-Lite would provide *much much* better performance than their internal variaties. The Kermit's internal to TBBS are, unfortunately, single-file transfer protocols, which is why multiple file transfers failed. I'm surprised the TBBS authors haven't upgraded, but perhaps they never got the "nudge". Now that more TBBS' are getting on the Internet, at least in small doses, the authors might consider implimenting this. I would suggest that TBBS users/sysops mention this to the TBBS people. When I start calling local BBS's again (if I do :-> ) I will start attempting to get Kermit-Lite installed on their systems, if for no other reason but for myself :-) It's not difficult to bring a new product into your local BBS community (I brought BlueWave down from college, convinced local sysops that it was a good thing) - you just have to be persistant and truly believe in the product that you're promoting. > I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look > at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. > It does "the whole thing." Agreed :-) > Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. > Joe D. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 13:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.195111.40191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 19:51:11 MDT References: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu writes: > I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, > Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. > > I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have > encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct > however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. > > I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they > don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps > many of the other "typical" VT keys. > > Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY > on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: > > scan code \328 > Verb: KP8 \KKP8 > > If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else > in-between, I get the following: > > scan code \4424 > Verb: uparr \Kuparr > > Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or > right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the > initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. > This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the > arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions > but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. > > The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function > keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. > > The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE >or EDIT > file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and > then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing > those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... ---------------- I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one. You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:52:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Access of previous articles Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:52:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3gtjg7$9cs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu>, wrote: >How can I access earlier articles of this news group? > We haven't settled on a permanent archiving scheme yet, and we're not sure that we ever will, since the amount of material will only keep growing. However, for the moment, and with no guarantee that it will be there forever, or that it will not change location, or that it won't be busted up into smaller pieces, etc, you can find the archive at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:57:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:57:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3gtjpk$9o6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg>, Maverick Ong wrote: >Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. >I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare >currently. > Then you should read the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Entire chapters are devoted to teaching you how to use the script programming language. You can order these books in Singapore by calling +65 220-3684. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:55:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 21:55:55 MDT References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted writes: > After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to > download files from the remote host by means of the host's file > download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, > is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host > (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host > is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but > now also provides telnet services on port 23. ---------------- Looks rather like a run of the mill telco style BBS but hooked to the Internet, sigh. Here is what their blurbs say on the matter: -------- August 30, 1994 A full internet connection with this BBS is not yet available. There will be a message in this area when the approriate hardware has been installed and tested. To download files from this BBS it is necessary to either call via modem or to access the files through the annonymous ftp, or the annonymous ftp sections of gopher or mosaic (graphical gopher). For gopher or mosaic, the annonymous ftp line appears together with the BBS under "5. Access Our Other Information Services" Directories similar to the BBS ones appear for ftp. For example the ftp /economy contains the same files as the BBS Directory containing Monthly Retail Trade, Monthly Wholesale Trade Sales & Inventories, and Monthly Manufacturers & Trade Inventories -More- -------- But if we keep going, we see the following: -------- Select from the following transfer protocols: T - TYPE file to your screen C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture A - ASCII only, no Control Codes X - XMODEM O - XMODEM-1k Y - YMODEM (Batch) G - YMODEM-g (Batch) S - SEAlink K - KERMIT W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) Choose one (Q to Quit): --------- That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet with no modems involved. I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. It does "the whole thing." Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:03:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 20:03:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gu26f$3j4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note that the hardware limits on buffer size depend upon the type of connection. Kermit recognizes those limits, but imposes them only when it comes time to do a transfer. Thus, you can set the packet size to any number you want, up to 9K, but Kermit-370 negotiates the actual packet size according to its understanding of the hardware. In fact, its understanding is not complete, since it is possible to set up a 7171 terminal type with a large screen size, but Kermit doesn't know that and isn't equipped to tell when the screen buffer would be bigger than 1920 anyhow. In any case, 1920 is plenty big enough for most purposes. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 21:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:05:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:04:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 3 Feb 1995 21:04:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit News #6, our printed-on-paper newsletter / journal, will be going to press any day now. Printing and mailing should take some weeks. In the meantime, if you would like to be added to the subscriber list (it's free), please send your name and complete postal address to: knews@columbia.edu If you received previous issues, you are already subscribed. If you did not, but you placed an order with us since June 1993, you are already subscribed. If your address has changed since June 1993, please send your old address and new address so we can update our mailing list. To minimize work and expense at our end, please try to make your postal address conform to standard formats. For example, USA addresses should end with: City XX nnnnn where XX is the uppercase 2-letter abbreviation of your state or territory, such as NY for New York, or GU for Guam, and nnnnn is your 5- or 9-digit ZIP code (9-digit preferred, 5-digit required). According to this year's USPS ZIP code directory, there should be no comma between the city and the state. Addresses in Canada should end with: City XX lnl nln CANADA where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Addresses in other countries should include the (English) country name on the last line, and the postal code (if any) including country prefix (if any) on the line preceding, e.g. D-33100 Paderborn GERMANY N-0260 Oslo NORWAY I-20090 Assago (MI) ITALY NL-1081 HV Amsterdam NETHERLANDS New Delhi 110 017 INDIA Rechovot 76300 ISRAEL and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 1/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:13:44 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtkno$62h$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " Sorry, I have to split it up in two entries, the editor can only accept 25 lines. I'm using CI$ !!! We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a VAX VMS Kermit [C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92] OpenVMS VAX (server) Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem with bad line quality results in the following error Packet log of sending Kermit: ***************************************************************** ************************ Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(WOGAPIYU '^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK ................. Please see entry "Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2" ( Sorry!!) -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 17:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!chyde.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 17:58:29 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland Lines: 34 Approved: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:8782 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1831 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat 28-Jan-95: Two events made it necessary to revisit my collection of MSKermit material. The introduction of the new MSKermit version 3.14 from the Columbia University in the City of New York, and the decision of the Finnish computer centres to impose an 8-bit Unix standard with upper ascii Finnish characters. I have consequently released : 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. : The following material as been added. FINNCHAR.TXT Info about 8-bit Finnish charset KERM8BIT.INI VT102 for mskermit 3.14+ 8-bits FINNISH.CMD Use 7-bit Finnish characters LATIN1.CMD Use 8-bit international chars MIXED.CMD Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I have also updated the following scripts which were no longer up to date with the MSKermit program upgrades. GETBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC GETTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC PUTBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC PUTTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC If you need the actual MSKermit program, due to distribution policies the place to go for it is kermit.columbia.edu. Look for /kermit/archives/msvibm.zip. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:18:25 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " This is the second half of the message " Kermit and bad line conditions " ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M Spack: ^A$ GL:^M Rpack: ^A# Y>^M The login failure is forced by receiving Kermit, because the login packet was not received by the receivers side The Remote login packet is supported by both Kermits, the login Username and password is correct Behaviour of sending Kermit is not correct Please is there any solution or explanation of this ?? And, once again, sorry for any inconvenience for splitting up in two messages, but it is very hard to type in all the control characters and other stuff with the keybord. -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 12:32:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 2 Feb 1995 05:32:22 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Problem: nCan't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX and the version on NYX is, I think, the current version. Either way it is 12 bad checksums then halt. ASCII files transfer in the expected way. Kermit is started with the -i switch for binary transfers. I use the command 'send xxxyyy.exe' to initiate the process. H My suspicion is that there is either some kind of v.34 compatibility issue or a config thing at the input of the HP. But I don't know... Thanks....Francis Fisher From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 05:44:28 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3gv47s$1nc@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Nntp-Posting-Host: heiby.pr.mcs.net Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called something like "XSOL.SYS". Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:32:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 07:32:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gvai0$kdc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) >for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there >are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called >something like "XSOL.SYS". > XALL.SYS >Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. No, C-Kermit 5A(190) works fine with 8 port Digiboards. Some of the older drivers had problems. So if you have a problem, connect to the digiboard bbs or ftp site and get the latest OS/2 drivers. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:59:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:59:00 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac repeatedly. The Claris Kermit CTB Tool 1.0 supports either long packets or sliding windows but not both simultaneously. VersatermPro has an internal Kermit that does not do windows. Neither does the public-domain Kermit Tool GH 1.2 or the internal Kermit in ZTerm 1.0b3. Are there better CTB Tools available, either public-domain or commercial? Herb Howe howe@usit.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:06:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.100650.321@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 10:06:50 -0400 References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? >> > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer > files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, > then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like > OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. > > - Frank I've successfully used two Kermits running on two serial ports at once, once dwnloading, and the other one interactively pretty heavily. If you have a decent 486/33mhz it should fly jerkily pretty well. set the properties to allow timeslicing or background execution. Now, to say it's a server will allow everyone to access your machine. How about a WEB page? Or a BBS? or a elcheapo 286 dedicated to handing out the stuff, a few hundered bucks would suffice. just my unasked for 2cents worth. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:36:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 2 Feb 95 14:36:59 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. #2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and drop carrier :( Please help me. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:22:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Date: 4 Feb 95 02:22:22 -0500 Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like this: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this from the manual. -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 03:17:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 3 Feb 1995 03:17:22 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 > >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > [poster found that patch file didn't work] The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:12:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!nstn.ns.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 05:12:58 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line with MS-Kermit (3.14) ---------- ------------ PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER SERVER | | via command DIAL ----------- ------------------- (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) What is setup for PC SERVER for answering and execute "get" and "put" from caller? (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:53:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:53:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3h0bf7$ncs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu>, Francis Fisher wrote: > >Problem: Can't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no >trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from >my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds >from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the >new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops >quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' > Try "set parity space". Probably you are going through a terminal server or somesuch that is not passing 8 bits through. This question seems to come up at least once a week, so I'd better add it to the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/FAQ.TXT >One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX > The current version is 5A(190). It might help too, since it knows a lot more about HP-UX than the six-year-old version does that you are using. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:02:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net>, Herb Howe wrote: >According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the >transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long >packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm >programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are >available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? > >The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu >does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac >repeatedly. > Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope the situation will change in the future. Meanwhile, if you are not using version 0.991(190), then you might want to give it a try. It cures the problem (bomb) with downloading that came up under Mac OS 7.1. But of course, it still has other problems. The easiest way to get the files needed for the current Mac Kermit incarnation is through the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:07:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:07:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, Armand Zakarian wrote: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >>After obtaining the: >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >[poster found that patch file didn't work] >The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site >as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch >command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The >solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. > "Problem" is in the eye of the beholder. It's a text file, and it is stored in the normal text format for the UNIX system on which you found it. But you should not be concerned with what the format is; you only need to know it is a text file, and therefore transfer it in text mode. Then it will arrive on your PC in the correct format and it will work as advertised. It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:15:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:15:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3h0cni$osi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) > This is thoroughly explained in two chapters, 10 and 11, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", also available in French: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. Note: the French edition can also be ordered from Columbia University. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ for more information, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Briefly, you have to put the answering modem in answer mode. The PC that is connected to the answering modem is either running Kermit in server mode, or, for a LIMITED "host mode" capability, you can redirect its console to the COM port via CTTY COMx. In the former case, you have to send Kermit packets (SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc). In the latter case, you can type DOS commands, but with caution -- the hazards of CTTY are explained in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, James Harvey wrote: >I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >this: > >$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call > I think that should be: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) >Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit >command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. >I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit >prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer >and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this >from the manual. > Pages 316 and 323. It's the "-S" option (uppercase), for "Stay": $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" "-S" = number-to-call I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following should work: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:59:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:59:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3h0f9g$rm1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect >and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. > How? >The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is >it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up >instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. > Could you please be more specific about exactly which versions of Kermit you have on each end, and the exact nature of the connection? What kinds of modems, etc? If, indeed, you told one (or both) Kermit(s) to SET PARITY EVEN, then the most likely problem is a lack of effective flow control in the uploading direction. The current version of Kermit for Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190), supports hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control, and that's what you should tell Kermit to use, and you should also configure your modem to use it to. After that, you're at the mercy of whatever is on the other end of the connection -- modem, terminal server, host, etc. If any of these are misconfigured as to flow control, etc, you will probably need to crank the packet length down to the largest size that will squeeze through. Also, you might try SET PARITY SPACE rather than SET PARITY EVEN, since an actual requirement for even parity is increasingly rare these days, and those parity bits might actually be causing trouble. >#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with >uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the >non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and >drop carrier :( Please help me. > I'll need more details about the connection and the software versions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:38:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kennethb From: kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:38:36 MDT Organization: The Ken Brush College Fund Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... Ok but it does vt320 emulation. only when I change it to say this: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... will it do ANSI emulation. Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is by doing this: MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 MS-Kermit> c MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi MS-Kermit> c and boom I have ansi emulation again. So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? -Ken- "You can't change the world But you can change the facts And when you change the facts You change points of view If you change points of view You may change a vote And when you change a vote You may change the world" -Depeche Mode From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 18:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 4 Feb 1995 18:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3h0gqg$d2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, OpenVMS VAX (server). > The current versions are 3.14 and 5A(190), respectively. > Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem > with bad line quality results in the following error. > Packet log of sending Kermit: > > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(xxxxxx '^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > ----------> The received packet above is not an ACK to the login > packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) > Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet > Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M > Unfortunately, this can happen. The packet sequence number resets to zero after each "transaction". The I-Y sequence is considered a transaction, and the REMOTE LOGIN packet starts another transaction. So in a case like yours, in which the ACK to the I packet is transmitted more than once (due to timeouts or checksum failures) and the second or subsequent ACK is delayed, and arrives after the G packet is sent, it can indeed be misinterpreted as the ACK to the G packet. But no harm is done, because any resulting "packet skew" will be caught as the transaction proceeds. > Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M > Spack: ^A$ GL:^M > Rpack: ^A# Y>^M > The standard C-Kermit server does not support the REMOTE LOGIN feature. That is, the server will not log you in to VMS, and it does not even recognize the REMOTE LOGIN packet. I must say I am somewhat mystified at the "Login failure" message above, because the response should have been: Unimplemented REMOTE command So I think somebody must have made some local changes to your version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:53:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:53:54 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > Ok but it does vt320 emulation. No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. Joe D. > only when I change it to say this: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > will it do ANSI emulation. > Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is > by doing this: > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 > MS-Kermit> c > > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi > MS-Kermit> c > and boom I have ansi emulation again. > So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? > Anyone? Anyone? > Bueller? From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 06:28:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: <1995Feb4.122835.40555@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 12:28:35 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do > you set this PC for "host"?) ----------- On the server side tell the modem to autoanswer. Set the port to the proper COMx and speed etc within Kermit. Tell Kermit to be a server. That's it. Read more about it in the documentation, particularly the user's manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK HELP screens. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Date: 4 Feb 1995 21:20:07 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try to dial, I get this message. Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 Unable to set speed at 28800 Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!sinetnews!hakata!genkai!genkai!h79055a From: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Yun Mo) Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? In-Reply-To: MoYun's message of Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: news@genkai.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp Organization: Computer Center, Kyushu University References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:43:16 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The probelm has been solved by setting GDC CLOCK for the PC to 2.5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) | Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: please help Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:13:30 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here goes... Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Thanks in advance Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 13:53:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Message-Id: <1995Feb4.195358.40611@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 19:53:58 MDT References: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble > configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem > scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed > into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try > to dial, I get this message. > Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 > Unable to set speed at 28800 > > Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this > problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! ------------ 1. If you read the modem's manual again I think you will discover that it recommends running the comms program to modem part at about 4 times the telco signaling speed. So try SET SP 57600 or even 115200 and let the modem lock the computer interface at that speed. 2. Please do read the modem information provided in the MSK distribution set so you can pick up as many useful hints as possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:13:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:13:04 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h092g$kum@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: :In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, :I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and :figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 05:21:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!georged From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] How do I run a script? Date: 5 Feb 1995 05:21:37 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it does ?) Thank you. ============================================================================= TTTTTTTTTTTTT Temple University Press TTTTTTTTTTTTT George Dimitoglou TTTTT Business Dept. TTTTT TTTTT U.S.B Rm. 305 | E-mail: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu TTTTT Broad & Oxford Sts., | tempress@astro.osis.temple.edu TTTTT Philadelphia, | Tel : (215)204-8787 TTTTT Pa 19121 | Fax : (215)204-4719 ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: >> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> >>>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>>> > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. > Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) It looks like I will need to pay $20.00 per box if I go with zmodem. Any better ideas ? This is in Unixware (SVR4.2) enviromment. Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:34:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with transmit under MSK 3.14 Date: 2 Feb 1995 02:04:19 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3go9lr$sdu@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MSK 3.14 patch level 3 with the BNU 1.70 FOSSIL under Novell DOS 7 (with update 10 applied). When doing a transmit of a single line file to the Unixware machine here, my machine (with a CGA video card) went into 40 column mode. Doing a push then mode co80 fixed things. Anyone else experienced this? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 03:27:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] How do I run a script? Message-Id: <1995Feb5.092703.40638@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 09:27:03 MDT References: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) writes: > > Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. > Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it > does ?) --------------- MS-DOS Kermit (please do explain your context, thanks): TAKE filename to read commands from that file SET TAKE ECHO ON to see commands executed HELP to see name of the User's Manual Joe D. -8-223-5082 > arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au --------------- The remote host echoed something like ESC [ m to you, and while doing script commands video displaying is accomplished by DOS. ANSI.SYS is crippled and puts you into 40 column mode (see the docs on ANSI.SYS in your DOS books). Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 08:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 5 Feb 1995 08:29:37 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h229h$15q@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> kheesoon@technet.sg writes: :Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. The best way is to learn by example together with the Kermit book. I am confident that Frank will give you the pointer to the latter. Here is one pointer to the former. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 06:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: please help Message-Id: <1995Feb5.124006.40644@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 12:40:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich writes: > I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here > goes... Correct, not the appropriate News group. > Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it > on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). > > Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Lessee now. You want others to do your thinking and lead you by the hand, and probably take the flak if you are unhappy. What a deal! May I make a humble suggestion of trying the items of interest to you and forming opinions based on your particular circumstances. Pointers on how to get started are sprinkled through the traffic in this group. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 10:28:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:03:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb5.162807.40662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 16:28:07 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: >> >> No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit >> device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the >> world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. >> I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. >> Joe D. > > Ok then how do I change from a 7-bit to an 8-bit display? > And how come you can type set term typ ansi and have it in 7-bit mode if it > doesn't handle ANSI color? ----------- Let's separate these items. SET DISPLAY or SET TERM BYTESIZE 7 or 8 Color has nothing to do with 7 or 8 it comms channels. Color is set by CSI 30's and/or 40's m, or in 7-bit form ESC [ 30's and/or 40's m. The above are in the user's manual and the distribution docs. If the remote host is sending material in 8-bit form to a client which is not 8-bit compatible (and VT100's are 7-bit devices) then the high bit is lost and confusion will result. I wish to emphasize that VMS knows nothing about "ANSI" terminal kinds, so please use a kind it does recognize such as the handy VT320 which is an 8-bit terminal kind too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:42:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!nh From: nh@lem.ee.ethz.ch (Norbert Hanke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 6 Feb 1995 08:42:00 GMT Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3h4nco$ec7@elna.ethz.ch> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opak-etz.ethz.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... > >It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. > >- Frank That's one reason to use kermit for file transfer ... :-) -- Norbert Hanke Power Electronics Lab, ETH Zurich, Switzerland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:27:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 11:56:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.102932.115562@daniel> Date: 6 Feb 95 10:29:32 ETST References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports > that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, > the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is > transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end > with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and > therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends > with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > There's one other way for this to happen -- if you don't have the fixed release of 3.14 from January 18th, but instead have the initial "final" release, the patch files won't work because it's the wrong version. I managed to ftp the new version, and then forgot to actually install it, and later spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why the patch files wouldn't work. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 15:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:28:59 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:34:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 11:34:32 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >------------------- > Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >familiar and managable form. All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR can find a cheaper home. > We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >item on our wish list. I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit server and a native mail system at the host side. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:19:57 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: tma@encore.com's message of Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanh Ma: I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) Short answer: if you don't charge for kermit, you don't have to pay for it. Complicating factors: if you're in a position to pay them for it, it's a good idea to buy what you want from Columbia University (this has to do with the long-term viability of kermit). And then there's support... -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:43:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^J...^M...|kermit Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:43:48 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 17 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to figure out how to get C-Kermit in connection mode to distinguish between a control J and a control M when feeding it from a pipe. What I want is for a control J to pass through unaltered, and a control M to pass through unaltered -- this works fine if kermit is talking directly to the controlling tty, but if I try and filter the input to kermit things don't work so well. I'm preceeding the call to the filter and kermit with `stty -echo raw`. Thanks. -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:38:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!Rezonet.net!news From: Andrew Morrow Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 6 Feb 1995 17:38:01 GMT Organization: MixNet Organization Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.RezoNet.NET> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrewm41.dataradio.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > Addresses in Canada should end with: > > City XX lnl nln > CANADA > > where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for > Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the > six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a classification name as part of the abbreviation. If you get a subscription with QC will your software choke, or will you just pass it on to the Canadian postal service which fortunately can handle both abbreviations? Andrew. _____________________________________________________________________ Andrew Morrow Dataradio Inc. ((( o ))) Director, Software Development Montreal, Quebec ___|_ voice:+1 514 737-0020 |_____| email: amorrow@dataradio.com fax: +1 514 737-7883 From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!newsham From: newsham@hookomo.aloha.net (Timothy Newsham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 6 Feb 1995 21:17:44 GMT Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hookomo.aloha.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, This question is reguarding C-Kermit scripting not the kermit protocol. Is this the proper place? I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so with the current values I'm using. Since I quit if the wait fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending a shutdown command over the serial line). Please cc: me a copy of any posted responses since I dont follow this group. Tim N. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!source.asset.com!source.asset.com!not-for-mail From: weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 6 Feb 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 530tr0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >| >on other comm programs. > >> Random characters at the current cursor position? > Yes. About a character or two every half minute. >> Random characters at some other position? > No. >> Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that >> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? > Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". >> Could you please define "leaking"? > "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at > random intervals at the cursor screen). >> Are you using hardware flow control? > Yes. >-- >jzero@netcom.com Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin J. Weise weisek@source.asset.com COLSA Corporation Voice - (205) 922-1512 ext. 2115 6726 Odyssey Drive FAX - (205) 971-0002 Huntsville, AL 35806 {Standard Disclaimers about my opinions & my employer's opinions} {... which are in conflict often enough} ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Admire those who seek the truth; avoid those who find it." Marcel Proust From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 07:49:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 95 13:49:31 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >>------------------- >> Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. > > I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used > with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls > in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too > much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears > to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size > is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and > login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of > this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME > attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece which does not attract much attention by itself. >> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>familiar and managable form. > > All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR > can find a cheaper home. So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. >> We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >>item on our wish list. > > I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is > a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming a parts supplier for free. Joe D. > form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any > host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to > transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit > server and a native mail system at the host side. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 02:54:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!yxw11570 From: yxw11570@Bayou.UH.EDU (Y. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 02:54:37 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bayou.uh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it hang up. What's wrong? I can use the same AT command in other communication program, why I can't use it here? How can I solve this problem? Please help. Thanks for any information. Ye From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 06:37:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!sacsa3.mp.usbr.gov!fwssun1.irm.r6.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!not-for-mail From: cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 06:37:12 -0000 Organization: USFWS Forensic Laboratory, Ashland, OR USA Lines: 4 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Summary: Data transfer from Nicolet IR Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to obtain the data n the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system perating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available Bob Cox From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 03:29:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: interesting from OMEN Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:29:20 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.78 with YES 0.16.B0129 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:10:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22790 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script to load password? Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:10:38 GMT Organization: Retupmoc Nuf' Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dhuguet.async.vt.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it with input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't connect right. It looks like it reads the password correctly, but then when it submits it to the password authentication server, I always get error messages. I am thinking that perhaps it is typing it in all caps or something that would make it unreadable to the server. I would appreciate it if anyone out there who knows how to do kermit scripts at all could look at this script and tell me what I need to put in my "mypass.ker" script for it to work. Thanks a lot. here is the script that calls "mypass.ker": :GETPSWD if INPATH mypass.ker goto PASSFILE echo echo {Please enter your password now (the one for Personal ID "\m(NWAPersonalID)"} askq Passwd { and IP Address "\m(NWTIPAddr)"), or "quit" to give up: \7} if EQUAL x x\m(Passwd) goto GETPSWD if NOT EQUAL xquit x\m(Passwd) goto END ErrMsg {User entered "quit" in response to password prompt.} Open Write UserQuit.FLG Write File "User Canceled" Close Write set errorlevel 6 goto END :PASSFILE ProgMsg {Loading password with MYPASS.KER...} take mypass.ker END thank you in advance. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:55:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:55:10 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose not support tn3270. Is this true? If it is, anybody who have made it work? Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? FYI, I use 'tn3270 uicmvsa.aiss.uiuc.edu' to access Illinet online. I will extremely appriciate it if you find a way to use Kermit instead of tn3270. Thanx Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:58:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 00:58:54 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: martha.utcc.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I run kermit, a warning showed up: $kermit Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x ... I recently noticed the Warning line when I added .kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: set send pac 9024 set blo 3 set win 31 I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still keep my own .kermrc? Thank you much. --- rsk 02.06.95 -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:59:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 05:59:23 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. thanks -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:39:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:39:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h7t65$dan@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Nackil Sung wrote: >I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed >and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of >using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose >not support tn3270. Is this true? > True. >If it is, anybody who have made it work? >Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? > Yes. In the meantime, you can use a separate tn3270 program on your PC, or you can access the mainframe through a 3270 emulator -- a special- purpose box such as an IBM 7171, a terminal server that has 3270 emulation built in, or by telnet'ing from Kermit to (say) a UNIX system and using tn3270 from there to the mainframe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:43:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:43:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3h7teq$dh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu>, Y. Wang wrote: >I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I >use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of >legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone >number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, >retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it >hang up. What's wrong? > The default port is COM1. If your modem is on a different port, then you'll have to tell Kermit to "set port 2" (or whatever). You also have to tell Kermit to use a speed that the modem can understand. For example, if I have my speed set to 57600, my Hayes 2400 will not respond to AT commands. Please read the section on troubleshooting DIAL commands in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There are a surprising number of things that can go wrong. If that doesn't help, send a more detailed description of the problem (what kind of modem you have, what XXXXX is, etc) to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:48:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h7to9$dol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: >When I run kermit, a warning showed up: > $kermit > Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x > ... >I recently noticed the Warning line when I added >.kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: > >set send pac 9024 >set blo 3 >set win 31 > >I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced >anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if >the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to >my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still >keep my own .kermrc? > Each line in a UNIX text file, including the final line, is supposed to be terminated by a linefeed character. The message means that the final line in your .kermrc file does not end with a linefeed. Kermit still reads and executes the final line, however, at least if it is a valid Kermit command. Not all other programs will necessarily be so forgiving, so you should get the file back into EMACS and put a linefeed at the end (ESC >, then press Enter or return, then save the file). - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:51:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:51:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h7tsh$dsm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com>, Dwight Hugget wrote: >is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? >anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. > Some macros are left as "exercises for the reader". Try this: define myredial redial, while fail { redial, sleep 30 } Embellish as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:56:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h7u5l$e5p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, wrote: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to > obtain the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the > Nicolet operating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version > available? > From the Kermit Digest, V20 #1, 25 Aug 94. I don't know if FTIR is the same as any of the computers listed below, but if it is, you've got your Kermit program: Date: 2 July 1994 From: Peter McClintock Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series (LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12). Although it provides a relatively simple implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many enthusiasts for these ancient machines. The main usage in practice is likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe, workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting packages. But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis. To get started there is a choice of two options - (a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the instructions, all on the Nicolet. (The source code is in kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/c/nic*.*.) (b) Ask me for a copy of the binary. This can be supplied on paper tape; alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored. For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return). Please make cheques payable to "University of Lancaster". Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on which they are to be used. Mailing address for disks: P V E McClintock, School of Physics and Materials, University of Lancaster, LANCASTER LA1 4YB, UK. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 7 Feb 1995 08:56:15 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h7u5v$9d@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chuck Forsberg at Omen had some legitimate beefs, I think, but after following the debate ad nauseum last year in comp.dcom.modems, I found myself having less and less sympathy for his position. Mr. Forsberg ranted for months that there was a conspiracy at Columbia to besmirch the good name of ZMODEM. Eventually I read the Kermit News article and didn't see it that way. In the end, I concluded that the best ZMODEM implementation is slightly faster than the best KERMIT implementation, at least some of the time. For me, the speed difference was insignificant compared to the price difference and the support difference. Granted, the latter was speculation on my part. I read Frank's books and compared his c.d.m postings to Chuck's and decided it would be no contest. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 17:20:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 7 Feb 1995 17:20:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3h8a43$3m5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net>, Timothy Newsham wrote: >I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, >writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program >needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is >the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that >the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so >with the current values I'm using. > It depends on "sizeof int" in the C compiler that generated your version of C-Kermit. The INPUT timeout is a signed integer, so the maximum value would be two raised to the 'th power, minus 1. So for 16-bit integers, it would be 65535 seconds, which is indeed only about 76% of a day. For 32-bit integers, of course, the maximum timeout would be way bigger. >Since I quit if the wait >fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the >wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, >otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending >a shutdown command over the serial line). > There's always a way. For example, you could simply make a loop that executes infinitely, and waits for an hour, or 12 hours, or whatever, until the input arrives. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 7 Feb 1995 10:10:09 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > > Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece >which does not attract much attention by itself. Yes, but it is the piece that, at the moment, can't be replaced. Worse, it ties us to a peculiar piece of software at the unix host side since we are running our own hub instead of using the attmail service. This in turn ties us to a particular version of unix. >>> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>>familiar and managable form. >> >> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR >> can find a cheaper home. > > So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. Yes, that's what people buy now, but they don't discard the older machines, they just get passed down to someone else who still needs email access. >> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is >> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the > > I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >a parts supplier for free. I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. The critical points to making it usable are that the end points appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled calls in the background as an option. But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 04:05:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script to load password? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.100544.40871@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 10:05:44 MDT References: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) writes: > I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" > which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it > with > input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:37:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:57:55 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 Summary: V3.14 Disconnect sessions X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 01:06:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:06:10 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Bishop says: |Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the |kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It |surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting |facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete |with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in |as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file |knewstru.zip (in binary mode). I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style is--um--bizzare, to say the least. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 18:14:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cablew.com!news From: brewer@us.net (Scott Carpenter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and NT Date: 7 Feb 1995 18:14:44 GMT Organization: Carpenter Consulting Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 146.135.61.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been given the job of porting all of our applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I can't get the telnet function to work. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 20:49:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 7 Feb 1995 15:49:46 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one switches back to the session. So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on whenever I switch a session? Are these even possible? Skimming through `The Book' I couldn't find an answer. Now, it's entirely possible that I missed something (wouldn't be the first time). So, if it is covered in the documentation, could someone please tell me the relevant page numbers at least. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 03:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and NT Date: 8 Feb 1995 03:50:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3h9f1t$4gu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com>, Scott Carpenter wrote: >I have just been given the job of porting all of our >applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I >need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to >another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over >the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I >can't get the telnet function to work. Any >suggestions? > OS/2 C-Kermit does not work with NT 3.5 in any mode. NEtwork connections ae absolutely out of the question since they are not part of the base OS/2 functionality and were not replicated by Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:55:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135535.40928@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:55:35 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >>> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >>> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. >> I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >>a parts supplier for free. > > I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such > a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it > fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything > else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable > system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware > forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For > example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup > readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. > The critical points to making it usable are that the end points > appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, > and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled > calls in the background as an option. > > But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. ---------------- I think the time passed in the early 70's when Unix grew up, even though there is a modern resurgence this year as "service providers" appear in every other garage to guide folks to the ISH. There is always a need for someone(s) to make working systems from components. However, the Kermit designers may not be interested in spending their own time and effort in such work (they too, like everyone, have plans and goals). Hence a contractural arrangement would be needed to create the group to do the special job. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:59:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:59:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a > UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in > after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to > prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. ---------------- It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 04:16:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb7.231615.12294@ivax> Date: 7 Feb 95 23:16:15 -0500 References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, > James Harvey wrote: >>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >>this: >> >>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call >> > I think that should be: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in > quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) You're right of course. I had overlooked the doublequotes, which caused the command to work as long as there was an exit command in the command file. When I tried to take it out, I would get a command syntax error (correctly because of the missing filespec argument to the unquoted -Y option which was now really a -y option). I should have mentioned that, but I thought it was unrelated (yes, I should know better :) [snip] > > I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a > command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this > should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the > command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following > should work: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call Yes, this works perfectly. Thanks! P.S.: Nice work on 5A(190). I like the bugfix for flow control on the console (edit 061 to ckvtio.c). Now I can toss my last patch! (well, except for our wacky custom modem-dialer code) -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. I spilt spot remover on my dog and now he's gone. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 23:10:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Message-Id: Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 23:10:34 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, Andrew Morrow wrote: >> Addresses in Canada should end with: >> City XX lnl nln >> CANADA >> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. >PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >classification name as part of the abbreviation. PQ was (and still is) useful in many non-postal contexts, to differetiate Quebec the province from Quebec the city (and the province's capitol). Only Anglos refer to it as Quebec City, the proper French usage is to refer to both as "Quebec", thus the reference to PQ. Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 18:36:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:44 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:36:14 GMT Lines: 73 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >> >>After obtaining the: >> > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >> > Installing patches... >> > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 >> >The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep >coming up: > >Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports >that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, >the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is >transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end >with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and >therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends >with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > >Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to >MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there >must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: > > MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE > MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE > MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE > >Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its >name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion >about patching. > >- Frank > Thanks to you and Armand (in later posting concerning patch indication) for your help with "Patch" installation. You were correct in indicating that patch file was in "UNIX" format rather than "DOS". I used a unix2dos utility to convert the to and now the patch file installs correctly, leaving me at: Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... I transferred the patch files in "binary" mode originally, since I was concerned that it might need to be that way to perform the patch process. I guessed wrong. To help reduce this sort of problem in the future, I wonder if it might be a good idea to post a .zip archive of patches only, in addition to the unix format text files. The patches in the archive could be in the proper DOS format, as they are in the original distribution archive. I think if I had the choice to get one archive or the individual files, I would probably go for the archive. Are the .pch files used on any system other than DOS? C-Kermit is compiled, so patches wouldn't seem to be needed there. A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to look for one. Again thanks for the help. Kermit has always been a valuable resource to me, even from the earliest v2.26 (DOS) that I used. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 02:24:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!aes From: aes@unlinfo.unl.edu (alan steinweis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: zmodem Date: 8 Feb 1995 02:24:00 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3h9a00$src@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me with a basic question? (The help desk at my system is not occupied at this hour, and the on-line documentation is not up-to-date.) What are the basic commands needed for preparing Unix to send/receive files using zmodem? I know I'm supposed to start with sz, but thereafter? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 03:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 7 Feb 1995 22:24:44 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 0 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 08:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:06:33 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) writes: | Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know | the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON | over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are | you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it | must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and | Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- | correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only | if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you | are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), | then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. Well I switched back to kermit (188) and the problem went away. The problem only manifested itself on the "nn" newsreader anyway, so I thought maybe there was an incommpatibility. :( I am using the new USR 28.8 internal modem. Maybe that's the problem. :( Oh well. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:49:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:50:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FAQ (was: Kermit patch level indication?) Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:49:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hai66$c9s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: >A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, >or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for >Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to >look for one. > It's online: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT or: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:56:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3haiie$clg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > >I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >switches back to the session. > >So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >screen whenever I switch sessions? > You can't. Each session has its own screen. But all the sessions share the same rollback buffer, so if you want to view a screen from (say) session 1 while in session 2, you can clear the screen in session 1 before switching to session 2, and then when in session 2 you can push Page Up to view the cleared session 1 screen. Clear? :-) >and 2) how can I have kermit not >send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >whenever I switch a session? > You should not be using Xon/Xoff flow control on a TCP/IP connection. TCP and IP provide their own flow control, which is far more effective than Xon/Xoff. Just tell Kermit to SET FLOW NONE. In fact, if you use the TELNET macro that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit, it sets everything up for you this way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 14:08:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 8 Feb 1995 14:08:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3haj87$dgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, >>> Addresses in Canada should end with: >>> City XX lnl nln >>> CANADA >>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. >Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. > Hence the ":-)" >>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >>classification name as part of the abbreviation. > Canberra, ACT (Australian Capitol Territory) is another. >Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll >deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. > Thanks. I'll await official word on the political correctness of Canadian postal addresses. In fact, I'm kind of a postal address trivia collector, so any other hints about postal addresses in any country are most welcome, especially in the next few weeks, as the Kermit News mailing is being assembled. (Don't bother to tell me about the new German postal codes -- that's already taken care of.) In particular, many European (and perhaps other) countries have a country prefix on their postal codes, such as: D-79011 Freiburg (GERMANY) NL-1081 HV Amsterdam (NETHERLANDS) PL-40-873 Katowice (POLAND) SF-33560 Tampere (FINLAND) (*) etc. I believe these are ad-hoc creations; they are not ISO 2-letter or 3-letter country codes. Is there a document or standard anywhere that describes the preferred format for addresses in each country, and that lists the postal country codes, etc? (*) I understand that Finland now prefers FI to SF. Do the new countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR -- Russia, in particular -- have country prefixes or other address-format changes? etc etc. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:42:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.channel1.com!news1.channel1.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!news.cs.uni-magdeburg.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with transparent printing (3.14) Date: 7 Feb 1995 16:42:42 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3h87u2$4i3@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For years I was quite unaware of the possibility of redirecting remote print output to the local printer or to the local disk. The good news about that was brought to me in one of the early beta releases of MS-Kermit 3.14 which contained the pcprint.sh UNIX script in the utils-directory. Since then the number to times per day I'm walking over to the computer center decreased dramatically. :-) Now I repeatedly noticed an awkward problem that probably did not exist in early beta versions (sometime before beta 14): When I try "to pcprint" a somewhat larger e-mail (or any other text) file (say, about 20 KB) with "set printer filename" to my local disk, the process seems to "hang" anywhere. Entering "hangup" at the MS-Kermit prompt for getting out of this, usually needs 20 minutes or so to succeed. I performed some tests to clarify the conditions under which this happens (not very many tests, of course, since it is quite time-consuming) which seemed to indicate that it would only occur in a TCP/IP connection, not when I use my still existing serial connection. When I reinstalled Version 3.13 with my old mskermit.ini and mscustom.ini the pcprint thing worked alright. I also verified that the fault does not lie in the two current ini-Files: 3.14 produces the "hang" condition also with my old ini-Files. My other problem is less severe. Using pcprint transparent printing works OK with UNIX text files, and with piping in the mailer program elm, but when using pcprint to pipe print output from the newsreader program nn, the carriage returns are missing. (The effect is easily to be observed if one uses simply "cat" instead of "lpr" at the printer-prompt in nn.) My current solution is to encorporate a sort of UNIX-to-DOS filter in the pcprint script file, but I wonder if there exists a more elegant solution. Besides, the filter-command I have at hand inserts CRs at the end of every line, not only when there is a sole LF. Thanking you in advance for any leads. Peter Schmolck -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 15:48:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: lma@ix.netcom.com (Larry Applebaum) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit and embedded cr's Date: 8 Feb 1995 15:48:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hap45$k43@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-lb1-05.ix.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ckermit 5A-190 running under VMS has a problem receiving text files with embedded carriage returns not followed by a linefeed. It eats the character following the cr. As an example, the line "12345^M12345" gets mangled into "12345",new line,"2345". The old bliss version of Kermit handles the text just fine. Any thoughts on this? Thanks - Larry From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 16:05:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:05:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 12:55:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Message-Id: <1995Feb8.085559.346@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 08:55:59 -0400 References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov writes: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in > order to obtain the data in the data in ASCII. I need a version of > Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system operating system > (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available > Bob Cox I've used XMODEM right out of the box on our Nicolet Pathfinder, a brain electrical analyzer. Some one from England just replied to you that they had Kermit for a series of cpus, but look for XMODEM, as Nicolet supplied it, they may have for you too. Good luck. Ours was an 18 bit machine.. Nicely done s/w for what it did, tho. as analysts we were impressed. I digress, tho... bye! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 18:03:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question: Error: Can't create work file Date: 8 Feb 1995 18:03:28 GMT Organization: VytalNet, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-lebar.vytalnet.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem performing remote commands on a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive the error: Error: Cannot create work file. Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly this means. I thought initially it meant that it could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing some further checking, and downloading the server's 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing problem. Thanks (thanks from my client also), Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***********************|***************************************| Mark Lebar | These views are my own and likely | VytalNet, Inc. | not those of VytalNet Inc. | MarkL@VytalNet.com | | ***********************|***************************************| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 05:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Message-Id: <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 11:02:43 MDT References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my > desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that > the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being > sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one > switches back to the session. XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by SHOW MACRO. > So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the > screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not > send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on > whenever I switch a session? There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 01:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: news.groups,news.announce.newsgroups,comp.terminals,comp.lang.rexx.tso,comp.lang.rexx.vm,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.sys.cisco,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,bit.listserv.ibm7171 Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Feb 1995 01:35:19 GMT Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hbrgn$25ni@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip7-31.fl.us.ibm.net Summary: Request for Discussion regardind new usenet group Keywords: hydra mainframe vtam sna bisync token-ring dialup X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Xref: news.columbia.edu news.groups:120546 comp.terminals:6424 comp.dcom.lans.misc:4744 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:120 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:1636 comp.dcom.modems:80133 comp.dcom.sys.cisco:16583 comp.protocols.ibm:4027 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1917 bit.listserv.ibm7171:182 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newsgroups news.groups comp.terminals comp.lang.rexx.tso comp.lang.rexx.vm comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.dcom.sys.cisco comp.protocols.ibm comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 21:01:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:29:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:28:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!sundae!rodn From: rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 8 Feb 1995 21:01:42 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Reply-To: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: sundae.triumf.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit gurus: I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and there is nothing documented that says it should. The symptom of this situation is that the two systems reach a deadlock condition. The VAX host is waiting for the reply to the query, and the PC is waiting for the correct bits of text from the login procedure. It would be fairly messy to try to get the correct escape sequence for the current terminal type from within the MSK script (I'm pretty sure). Is there a clean way of solving this problem? Is there a good reason for the terminal-type query to not be handled transparently, as I've suggested above? Does this sound like the beginning of a request for a new feature? :-) Thanks in advance for your help, --- Rod. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-7307 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:17:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 2 Feb 1995 00:17:15 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and "ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Republic of Singapore http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | hello world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 13:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:56:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3hd6u7$em1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rod B. Nussbaumer wrote: >I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex >auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening >because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS >DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should >elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without >intervention from the script. > That would be nice, but it doesn't happen. The terminal emulator is not active except during the CONNECT and REPLAY commands. So your script has to handle terminal-type enquiries itself. For further details, please read section 18 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. For examples of VMS login scripts that handle the terminal ID query, see the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", or "Using C-Kermit", or for that matter, look at the VMSLOGIN macro that comes with the C-Kermit 5A(190) CKERMIT.INI (.kermrc) file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 14:02:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:02:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 9 Feb 1995 14:02:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hd7af$f6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish >my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my >connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and >"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that >when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" >command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. > You're welcome. The command is: SET EXIT WARNING ON - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:31:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question: Error: Can't create work file Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083106.41161@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:31:06 MDT References: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net>, MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) writes: > > I am having a problem performing remote commands on > a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send > certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive > the error: > Error: Cannot create work file. > > Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly > this means. I thought initially it meant that it > could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing > some further checking, and downloading the server's > 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes > (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). > > Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response > if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing > problem. ------------ You are correct about the particular file. MS-DOS Kermit prior to v3.14 (current) used the current directory for that file. V3.14 tries first for the directory "TEMP" found in the DOS Environment and if not present then the current directory. Rather than saying REM HOST DEL say REM DEL. REM SET does not involve a temporary directory, only DOS commands used by Kermit to do the work create a temp directory to hold output for relaying back to the Kermit client. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:34:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083404.41162@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:34:04 MDT References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) writes: > Dear Kermit gurus: > > I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex > auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening > because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS > DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should > elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without > intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and > there is nothing documented that says it should. The documentation states clearly that terminal emulation is active ONLY in Connect mode, not otherwise. Scripts do not run in Connect mode. Thus you need to detect the ESC c terminal type query and make a standard response (listed in the docs). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 15:58:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!delphinium.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit & Pagers Date: 9 Feb 1995 15:58:02 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tapir.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message "DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete without such a message. Thanks in advance. -- +-----------------+---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | . . | Kenny Broezell | alt phone:(708) 632-5390 | | ... ... | Motorola Cellular Support Center| fax :(708) 632-3157 | | ..... ..... | 1501 Shure Drive | alt fax :(708) 632-7466 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 00:32:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb10.003245.1215@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 00:32:45 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 Yes. Although the System/370 I/O architecture allows 65,635 bytes per I/O request, there are limitations. The CMS macros for console I/O have limits: - the LINERD (read a line from the console) macro has a limit of 2030, - the LINEWRT (write a line to the console) macro has a limit of 1920, which is 24 (rows) times 80 (columns). Probably, the I/O controllers on the mainframe also have similar limits, probably due to the size of internal buffers, etc. I sense that if you draw a graph of elapsed-time versus packet-size, you'll see exponential-decay, i.e., using 80-byte packets will be slow, using 160-byte packets will be noticeably faster than 80-bytes, using 1K packets will be much faster than 80-bytes, but using 2K packets will only be slightly faster than 1K, assuming no "retries" occur. So, it won't matter (too much) that you can't achieve 9024-byte packets. :-) The important thing is to avoid "small" packet-sizes, if you like good performance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 12:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 10 Feb 1995 12:59:53 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have an IBM 3090 running VM ESA 2.1 and SIM3278 Version 1 Release 2.1. We downloaded and installed kermit 4.31 from the sources at Columbia. When we execute the new kermit from a telnet session, the session is immediately closes. This happens no matter where we telnet from and with various telnet packages including unix and pc platforms. The same kermit works fine with the dialin to a Series I Yale/Ascii front end or through an IBM 7171 frontend. I understand this kermit works fine under VM 370. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration with kermit working accross telnet? Please help George Gary (703-836-1071, fax 703-836-1146) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 00:01:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 11 Feb 1995 00:01:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hguoh$dae@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It sounds as if the attempt to detect the controller type is killing the session. As of release 2.0, SIM3278/TCPIP did not support the type of detection that Kermit tries, but I never heard that it would fail so abysmally. Perhaps 2.1 is different. In any case, you need to force Kermit to settle on SERIES1 for the controller type anyway, so refer to the note dated 89/2/27 in IKCKER BWR. It explains how to do that -- extract the example into your KERMIT LOCAL. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 20:35:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!news.larc.nasa.gov!xanth.cs.odu.edu!venus.ee.odu.edu!silsbee From: silsbee@venus.ee.odu.edu (Peter L. Silsbee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: detect BUSY? Date: 10 Feb 1995 20:35:20 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Department of Computer Science Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hgim8$cnv@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.ee.odu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I pretty much call just one number with my modem. Most of the time, that number is busy :( When it isn't busy, it frequently takes upwards of 45 seconds to connect. My current kermit script redials after 60 seconds if my wait-for-connect-message fails. But most of the time it's a busy signal which I ought to be able to detect and redial sooner. Any hints on how to simultaneously wait for the connect message but break out of the loop if a busy signal is detected? Thanks, Peter From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 14:40:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 11 Feb 1995 14:40:33 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3hii92$ani@news.usit.net> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of : programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope : Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at : Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently : needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. For many Mac users, a public-domain Communications Toolbox (CTB) Kermit tool that includes all of the features of the current Kermit protocol would be more useful than a working MacKermit. A CTB tool may be used with most Mac terminal programs (ZTerm being a mojor exception) and a Kermit tool would allow file transfers at ZModem speeds without having to switch to MacKermit just to do transfers. It would probably be easier to find volunteers to work on a Kermit CTB Tool than to work on MacKermit. The tool involves primarily the Kermit file transfer protocol without the additional programming overhead of a complete terminal emulation. As far as I have been able to determine, there is currently no Mac program or CTB Tool that supports sliding windows, for example. Thus, for Mac users, ZModem is definitely faster than Kermit since there is no way to completely tune the Mac end of a Kermit transfer for speed. Any possibility of the Kermit project producing a public-domain CTB Kermit Tool? From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 10:46:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!mpifr-bonn.mpg.de!comma.rhein.de!news From: olboeter@comma.rhein.de (LOX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 10 Feb 1995 10:46:34 GMT Organization: Regionalnetz Bonn eV Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3hfg6a$nt2@comma.rhein.de> References: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: larsol.comma.rhein.de X-Newsreader: WinVN NT 0.92.6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33605 comp.protocols.ibm:4051 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1930 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Paul. Do You have thought about one of those administration tools, e.g. Microsoft's SMS (Systems Management Server) which can distribute files and whole program packages to clients? It can be used in LANs, WANs and so on (WAN: e.g. using RAS-Services). Those packages will not be only distributed but also installed automatically on those clients. SMS is especially designed for such tasks you described. Besides that there are some nice features like automatic inventory of soft- and hardware, network tools, user support and so on. SMS can be installed on PCs using Windows NT 3.5 Server. Have a try bye Lars Olboeter olboeter@comma.rhein.de In article <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) says: > >Hi, > >I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have >varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: > >1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. > >2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote >DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. > >3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. > >Solutions could be: > >a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd > >b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given >a need for a small RAM foot print... > >The kermit folks have any ideas? > >c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? > >Thanks.. > > From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 03:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit & Pagers Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 03:11:15 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: taliesin@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) writes: >Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have >been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital >pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message >"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting >this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete >without such a message. Change the dial script to add a semicolon to the dial string, and to expect "OK" as an exit-successful condition rather than CONNECT.... The semicolon tells a Hayes-compatible modem "go do this dial script and then come back and tell me "ok" (leaving the phone off-hook) instead of trying to connect"... and I s'pose you'll want to output an ATH0 (or do a hangup) at the end of the script... -- Glenn R. Stone (taliesin@netcom.com) kermit kinda guy on occasion From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 20:58:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:58:13 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jefe@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 19:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: knewman@mcs.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Feb 1995 19:07:15 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3hj1t4$h83@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: knewman@mcs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks like this: Name:_____________________ C-Kermit looks like this: Name: At one time I used reflections with a /U for underline is there a way to duplicate this? Thanks, Kevin Newman From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:21:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Feb 95 19:21:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > > Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to > transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop > system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit > throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a > little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k > connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX > kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with > 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of > which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected > throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it > from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to > around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this > matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------ It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. So look at the other end of the wire for a moment. Try MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14 is current. Then ask if there is a comms box between the ends which throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). VAXen come in various models and the faster they are the more bytes/sec they can move across the link. My uVAX II can do about 2-4KB/sec before suffering dizziness. A VAX undergoing heavy swapping will not be very speedy. I rarely have occassion to use more than 4 window slots, even on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though the comms boxes and type-ahead buffers of mainframes. In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port is locked at 1200bps?). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 07:04:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news From: Dorothy Parks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:04:11 -0700 (MST) Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu II am a newcomer to the Freenet and am unable to download a file to my drive using Kermit. When I GET the file the box keeps repeating "packet resent" How should the Kermit options be set? From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 03:51:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 12 Feb 1995 03:51:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3hk0kh$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application >that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when >I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks >like this: example deleted C-Kermit does indeed show Underlined text. But it uses color to represent the underlining instead of a true underline. Use SET TERMINAL COLOR UNDERLINED-TEXT to set the color combination you would like. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:13:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: 11 Feb 95 11:39:51 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 23 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.113951.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a >> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in >> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to >> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. > ---------------- > It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could > elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual > useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment > for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). > Joe D. I noticed the same behaviour: with 3.13 I could have an idle connection for days, but with 3.14 the connection terminated after an idle period. The host was Unisys U6000/65 with their UNIX SVR4 port. The host had an idle timeout parameter, which we increased; indeed, it was the host doing disconnects. However, I don't know why 3.13 kept the connection open despite of the timeout... -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 11 Feb 95 11:45:03 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 34 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.114503.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >> desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >> the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >> switches back to the session. > XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say > SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This > is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does > a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by > SHOW MACRO. > >> So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >> screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not >> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >> whenever I switch a session? > > There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching > sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of > SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each > time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. > Joe D. I noticed with 3.14 beta April '94 that when you have very little conventional (i.e. < 640KB RAM) memory free and have many sessions open, Kermit would sometimes beep and give you a blank screen when pressing Alt+N. Check your free memory. For example, do you have enough memory to spawn a command processor (i.e to do a PUSH)? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 05:53:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 11 Feb 1995 05:53:10 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hhjc6$6i7@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yeechang Lee (ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Jeff Bishop says: : I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation : I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style : is--um--bizzare, to say the least. So is the source code in the UNIX versions of zmodem. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 06:10:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!fod From: fod@netcom.com (Frank O'Donnell) Subject: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Message-Id: Organization: Les Amis de l'Accordeon References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 06:10:17 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: fod@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik writes: >> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >> >> Any benchmarks ? > > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe), to a max of around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a Kermit implementation). I have and have read "Using C-Kermit" by da Cruz and Gianone. Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? Thanks for any comment, Frank fod@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:47:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!news.cuny.edu!jemjj From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:47:51 EST Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan Morgenroth From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 14:55:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:55:17 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 15:29:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: shlomit@actcom.co.il (Shlomit Wexler) Subject: test Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:29:03 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry this is a TEST.. -- With regards, sssss w w From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:51:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3ho67k$kum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max >transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. >I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, >but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > >Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my >transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > The Kermit FAQ can be found on kermit.columbia.edu in kermit/FAQ.TXT. Quoting from it (since there were more than usual number of questions like this in this morning's crop of postings): ... you can make Kermit go as fast as the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. A good starting value to try is 1000. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This might require some trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:58:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ho6jv$lmh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Donnell wrote: >Joe Doupnik writes: >>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >>Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >>If not please do. > >Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained >C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running >it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows >sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get >transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. >However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get >Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or >about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe) > Note that we can't vouch for CompuServe's Kermit implementation. >...to a max of >around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a >Kermit implementation). > ...nor for whatever Kermit implementation might be in use on the BBS. >Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? > First, read the item on Kermit performance in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT then try the techniques described there. Better still, try them with real Kermit software, e.g. MS-DOS Kermit on the PC, C-Kermit on UNIX, etc, and you'll get the kind of performance numbers you want. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 21:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Rockwell Protocol Interface?? Date: 13 Feb 1995 21:10:10 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3hohri$82v@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Sorry if this question is answered somewhere in the (great mass of) kermit docs, but I did a grep through them for the key "rockwell" and found nothing so... Does kermit 3.14 for ms-dog support Rockwell's Protocol Interface (RPI)? Many thanks for the answer or pointers as to where it might be found! Tito. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SUMMARY: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:18:25 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3hn141$4m7@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il Summary: MSK can handle zmodem with DSZ program Keywords: MSK, DSZ, zmodem, rz, sz, c-kermit X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Recently I asked how I can use zmodem via MS-Kermit, that is, use an external program from MSK to handle incoming zmodem data transfers. I'm doing this every day from my C-Kermit, using the 'rz' macro supplied with C-Kermit package. Official responses (Joe Doupnik) were that "Kermit protocol is superior and one does not need to support or use zmodem." Most other response suggested using Chuck Foresberg's DSZ program, available on SimTel/DOS/zmodem archives. For other suggestions, see enclosed mails below. Thanks to the following people: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) JRD@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik ) ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. f you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 06:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!hookup!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:56:14 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi There. I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some how. Does anyone have any suggestions ? Thank you Ram Gura From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 14:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!uni-regensburg.de!pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de!Gerd.Boehm From: Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:59:02 GMT Organization: Universitaet Regensburg Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de Summary: How to leave graphics mode of vt220/Tek emulation of Kermit? Keywords: Graphics mode, MSDOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET session or is it a bug? TIA, Gerd -- Gerd B"ohm | gerd.boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de Inst. f. Theor. Physik |_____ Uni Regensburg; Germany | _|__) ========================|__|__) ============================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:03:18 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:18:29 GMT Lines: 42 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters : CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. I tend to agree, BTW: I've attempted this xfer both from dialup and telnet. The site is NKU.EDU FYI. : throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file : transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). Woudln't normal screen activity and text throughput also be affected by this? I've definitely got a high speed connection as far as screen writes go. : on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise : on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though How do I set this through Kermit? : In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems : and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port : is locked at 1200bps?). Again, no because I am at a high speed connection because of the text throughput (non file transfer). Unless there's some way to lock a port to 1200 for a file transfer only? Also, I can FTP to the site and it runs at 'normal ftp speeds'. I agree that there's something amiss, it's just that I can't figure out what! If I run kermit on this unix server, it runs at the max throughput of my modem (again, using Procomm Plus for Windows), yet I telnet to the VAX, start kermit, send ANY kind of file, and I can't get more than 200 cps out of it. If you have any setup commands for the remote kermit that might rectify this, they would be appreciated. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:21:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:21:13 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or the remote end. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for OSF/2.1 Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:22:19 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hp44r$svi@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone tried to install kermit on a DEC Alpha running OSF/2.1 ? I've been trying to compile and I'm stuck at the ckufio.c module. It seems that the dir.h file in BSD is not compatible with OSF. This is a quick request as I don't have time tonight to get into the details of what I've done on this so far. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman Ford Motor co. bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:10:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: glb3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tek 4105a emulation Date: 12 Feb 1995 17:10:27 -0500 Lines: 9 Sender: glb3@fidoii.CC.lehigh.EDU Message-Id: <3hm10j$109m@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in using kermit to transfer data from a PDP-11 to a PC. The terminal used to run the PDP-11 is a Tek 4105a. I can use the Tek 4010 emulation to accomplish the data transfer, but the lack of graphics emulation causes problems. Is there a way to emulate a Tek 4105a? If so how do I get and install the necessary software? Thanks, Geoff From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 00:06:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!smisko From: smisko@lf.hp.com (Dan Smisko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 00:06:17 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3hm7pp$p80@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavdq.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Pablo (jefe@netcom.com) wrote: : JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. : Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, : I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you : get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected : all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm : still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or : the remote end. I'm using C-Kermit on HP-UX and V.32bis on each end. I get about 1580 cps on large binary transfers. My .kermrc is appended. Good luck. Dan Smisko smisko@lf.hp.com Hewlett-Packard (302)633-8510 Little Falls Site (302)633-8915 FAX 2850 Centerville Rd. Wilmington, DE 19808 ======================================================================== set modem hayes set dial speed-matching off set dial dial-command ATDT%s\13 set dial init-string ATZ\{13} #set flow-control rts/cts set flow-control keep set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 38400 set carrier off set parity none set control-character unprefixed all set control-character prefixed 0 3 128 131 #set control-character prefixed 0 1 3 4 17 19 21 128 129 131 132 145 147 149 set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set buffers 32767 32767 set window-size 8 set file type binary set file name literal set file display fullscreen set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set block-check 3 define runterm output term\13, pause 2, ! term <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define on_exit pause 1, output +++, pause 1, output ath0s0=0\13 From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 11:39:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: <1995Feb12.173925.41449@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Feb 95 17:39:25 MDT References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: > : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max > : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. > : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, > : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > : > : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my > : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > > Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, > I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you > get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected > all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm > still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or > the remote end. --------------- Replying to both correspondents. Not all comms boxes provide the same speed and buffering capacity in both directions. As Frank da Cruz has often pointed out (with exasperation) Cisco terminal servers are fast and capacious for data moving from the host to the client, and exactly the opposite for data moving the other way (hardware built expecting only human typing rates). A box with little buffering for client to host traffic and poor flow control will drop incoming bytes. So step one is to validate flow control at each point along the path. Yes, this may require other people to open the wiring closets and pop the covers. Step two is to explore the capacity of the link by changing the sending Kermit's outgoing packet size (SET SEND PACK nnn). Step three is to get the VAX manager to verify installation of C Kermit and in particular to verify the section in the instructions which discusses terminal buffer sizes (SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF, set to be larger than the longest Kermit packet you want to use, mine is set to 9216; check by looking at file sys$system:modparams.dat). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 18:11:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 17 Feb 1995 18:11:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3i2ota$mua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on >the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum >thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more >than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I >doing something wrong? > It's not a bug and you are probably not doing anything wrong. When two Kermit programs have agreed to use a maximum window size greater than one, let's say 4, here is what happens: The FILE SENDER can send up to 4 packets without waiting for an acknowledgement from the file receiver. Each unacknowledged packet sits in the file sender's window until it is acknowledged. Thus its window size grows from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. If acknowledgments arrive quickly, the window might not grow to its maximum size because it does not need to. The job of the FILE RECEIVER is to accept and verify packets, decode them, and write the decoded contents out to the file. If packets arrive in sequence, then each one is processed and disposed of as soon as it arrives. If, however, a packet arrives that has a sequence number that is more than one greater than the previous packet that was successfully processed, this means that a packet is missing. Thus the packet that just arrived can't be written out to disk because if it were, the file would have a piece missing. So the out-of-sequence packet is stored in the receiver's window until the missing piece is filled in. Thus you won't see the file receiver's window size exceed one unless there have been transmission errors, no matter what window size the file sender might be using. For greater detail see pages 102-103 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or pages 158-161 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 05:18:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.111804.42028@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 11:18:04 MDT References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) writes: > > This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS > version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to > send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that > Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies > itself as being a Kermit emulator? > > We have some programmers who are writing an application and > would like to query the connecting terminal to find out > if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. ------------ Enquire/Answerback: Control E. See manual file msvibm.vt. Getting that particular may not be a good long term strategy. From that file - DEC VT320 and VT102 functions while in ANSI (non-VT52) mode, unsupported features are marked by an asterisk (*): Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation NUL 0/0 00h ^@ Ignored except during transparent printing ENQ 0/5 05h ^E Answerback message (response: "MS-DOS KERMIT") Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 04:38:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: ckermit linux <-> ckermit vax Message-Id: <1995Feb14.043821.23227@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 04:38:21 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just upgraded to ckermit linux version 190. My connection for the net is an openvms computer that has ckermit 189 loaded. After completion of a download (binary or text) while using the consoles in linux, my terminal in linux is set in a unstable state. The Linux console terminal is not adding a new line character, and new lines are writing over the old lines. This continues even after quiting ckermit. Never happened with 189. I have to run a program called reset in Linux or reset the terminal on the vms side to make the screen work correctly. Any ideals what I need to set in the linux ckermit? Thanks, Helen I did look in the ckermit book first. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 12:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!sangam!shakti!bpcledp From: bpcledp@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (BHARAT PETROLEUM CORP. LTD. (EDP CELL)) Subject: DLL for Kermit Implemention Message-Id: Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, India X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:58:04 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am developing a communication utility for in house use at our place. I would like implement the send and receive routines using kermit protocol. I am using VB Prof 3.0 for my development. Any pointer to DLL implementation for kermit would be appreciated. Abhishek From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 02:51:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:31:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!news.oleane.net!oleane!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Feb 95 08:51:47 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: > Hi There. > I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system > to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. > On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 > There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the > VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some > how. > > Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Thank you > Ram Gura ------------------ a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one too. All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!midget.towson.edu!mcyzyk From: mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:42:40 GMT Organization: Towson State University, Towson, MD Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: midget.towson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later point in the session. Can this be done? Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? Mark Cyzyk Towson State University From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:43:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!legba.synergy.net!newsie.wis.com!fryder From: fryder@wis.com (fergus ryder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on IBM AS/400 Date: 12 Feb 1995 22:43:35 GMT Organization: Wisconsin Internet Services Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3hm2uo$4e0@newsie.wis.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: squeaky.free.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:13:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101333.41775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:13:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) writes: > Hello, > one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and > in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode > of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? > > I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 > terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. > Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to > leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- > Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the > singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET > session or is it a bug? ---------------- ALT-minus sign (on the rank above querty keys). It's keyboard verb \Ktermtype. It toggles between text and graphics modes. Some time ago it also used to cycle amongst all the terminal types in succession but that was not a productive solution. Here is a cutout from file msvibm.vt: OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal etc Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:18:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:18:40 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 104 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that > did the following: > During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into > RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. > So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape > character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return > and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. > Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement > the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps > on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could > send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. ----------------- Please see kermit.upd in the quick start release package msvibm.zip found in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. In particular, read about the APC command, portion attached below. Joe D. -------------- UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. Old way (described on pages 180-181 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): CSI ? 34 h / l invoked the TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros, if you had them defined. This required each Kermit user to define them, for example in their MSCUSTOM.INI files, a big management problem for large user communities. New way: CSI ? 34 h / l controls screen-writing direction, left-to-right or right-to-left (for Hebrew and Arabic), as it does on real Hebrew-model VT terminals (see Hebrew section above). To replace the TERMINALR/TERMINALS function, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 now supports the Application Program Command (APC) escape sequence, which is accepted by MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's VT emulators, VT100 and above: APC ST In the 7-bit environment, APC is ESC _ and ST (string terminator) is ESC \. In the 8-bit environment, APC is decimal 159 and ST is 156 decimal. The can be any MS-DOS Kermit command or list of commands, separated by commas, and can be up to 1024 bytes in length. Upon receipt of this escape sequence, MS-DOS Kermit executes the command(s) in the string and then automatically resumes CONNECT mode. NOTE: In this respect, APC differs from the old TERMINALR/TERMINALS mechanism, which did NOT automatically re-enter CONNECT mode. Thus, if you are recycling your TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros for APC use, be sure to remove the ", connect" from the end of their definitions, or else you will have to escape back twice the next time you want the MS-Kermit> prompt. For safety, the APC mechanism cannot be used to invoke certain MS-DOS Kermit commands that might do damage, like deleting your files. Included in this category is the RUN command, which provides access to DOS and to other applications. This new MS-DOS Kermit command regulates the APC mechanism: SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED } ON means that Kermit will execute only safe commands. OFF (the default) means Kermit will not execute any commands and will ignore APCs. UNCHECKED means Kermit will execute ANY commands sent via APC. Use UNCHECKED at your own risk. If you want to use this feature, you must enable it explicitly using SET TERMINAL APC ON (recommended) or SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED. APC is much more flexible than the old TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism, and can be used for any purpose at all. For example, it can be used to configure MS-DOS Kermit for use with a particular host or application by sending the appropriate list of SET commands: communication parameters like parity, protocol parameters like packet-length and window size, key mappings, etc. It can also be used to initiate file transfers automatically from the host without having to escape back to MS-DOS Kermit. Here's an example you can use with C-Kermit 5A. In your C-Kermit 5A customization file (.mykermrc or CKERMOD.INI), add commands like this: define autosend set delay 0, apc receive, send \%1 \%2, statistics define autoreceive apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive, statistics Try it! NOTE: The APC command is new to C-Kermit 5A(189); if you have an earlier release of C-Kermit you can define APC as a macro: define apc output \27_\%1\27\92 You can set up similar procedures with IBM mainframe Kermit, e.g. in VM/CMS by stacking commands and using XECHO to emit the escape sequences. You can expand these commands to handle text and binary mode if you want to: ; Text transfers define tsend set del 0, set file type text, apc receive, send \%1, stat define treceive apc {set fil typ text, send \%1 \%2}, stat ; ; Binary transfers define bsend set del 0, set file type binary, apc receive, send \%1, stat define breceive apc {set fil typ binary, send \%1 \%2}, stat From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 06:56:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!server.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chengyin Chris Ye) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 14 Feb 1995 01:56:28 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: csgrad.cs.vt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip connection. It looks like following: ;my kermit script . . output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 . . input {username:} output chrisye\13 . . output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. connect end At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is droped. What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? Any idea is welcome, I am basicly trying to write a script to run kermit and slattach automatically. Thanks -chris chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 00:27:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 00:27:04 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") Any suggestions? I really could use your help... Please either post reply or mail one to mike@panther.fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 22:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!45.75.med.umich.edu!jklaas From: James Klaas Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 13 Feb 1995 22:45:47 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 45.75.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:43:40 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Klaas jklaas@umich.edu -0- "Any sufficiently advanced | | technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ |"We are MicroSoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."| +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 11:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:38:25 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Joe Doupnik writes: > In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > > > Erik > -------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and > that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info > retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. If there is a key-sequence in the library-access software that always gets you to a fixed point (e.g. main menu) you can use Kermit's ALT-X key as a hotkey by implementing a 'connect'-loop: :reconnect connect output sequence-that-gets-you-back-to-main-menu goto reconnect It might take a little experimenting to find a sequence that always works, but if you find one, ALT-X will be a near-bullet-proof 'restart'. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 13:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit,VM ESA 2.1,ibm tcp/ip,sim3278 Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:57:41 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqcsl$oa5@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using kermit on our ibm runngin VM ESA 2.1 for years without a problem over dialup thru a Series I and thru an IBM 7171. Now we have users telneting in as vt100 and connecting useing IBM TCP/IP and the SIM3278/TCPIP product. When logging in via this means and executing the kermit module, the telnet session is immediately closed. We located a site where this is working ok but on a VM/370 operating system. Does anyone know of a site with VM ESA 2.1, IBM TCP/IP, and SIM3278/TCPIP where kermit is working over a telnet session or have any clue about this problem? Please help! From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 12:58:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!jupiter.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@jupiter.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 18 Feb 1995 12:58:38 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cs.uml.edu Summary: Mode line sticks on, won't scroll. Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most of the times things work well. However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? Regards, Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:30:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:30:49 MDT References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, James Klaas writes: > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. ---------------- Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. No DOS program (that's DOS, not Windows) can use a pure Windows TCP/IP stack. The program structures are vastly different. If Microsoft provides a DOS gateway then fine, else no. Windows programs/.dlls/etc are not compatible with DOS programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:10:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.081030.41660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 08:10:30 MDT References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told > is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? > > I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet > sizes are set to 1024. > > Any clues?? > > Thanks in advance.... ---------- To ask the obvious: maybe that's all that the Tymenet channel can carry? Those things are time sharing of a comms line, and such situations are often very slow since they expect only interactive keystrokes and similar from the client. To ask another question: did you engage sliding windows with many window slots? And, which Kermit is on each end of the channel? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 14:44:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 18 Feb 1995 14:44:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3i514b$kdf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu>, Chengyin Chris Ye wrote: > I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip >connection. It looks like following: > >connect >end > At this point, why are you entering CONNECT mode? If you don't need the terminal emulator to type something manually you should not be entering CONNECT. Then you won't need to type "ctrl-\c". Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:45:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup the connection automatically? Date: 16 Feb 1995 01:45:31 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student who wants to use the different database. Can you help me? Thanx in advance. Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073223.41657@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:32:23 MDT References: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu>, mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) writes: > > I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to > run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my > problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a > session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK > file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance > of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later > point in the session. Can this be done? > > Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line > options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do > this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? ------------ See the manual on keyword STAY to keep MSK active when the last command line action has completed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073451.41658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:34:51 MDT References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > Hi, > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the > remote Sun. > When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer > of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window > used out of the three. > Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? ---------- During file reception with sliding windows the receiver will show only one window slot in use because it's seeing packets in order and the head of the queue is being serviced at all times. If a bad packet arrives then future ones occupy more slots until the replacment arrives. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:44:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!srvr1.flint.umich.edu!gmi!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 14 Feb 1995 19:44:59 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hr17r$ofe@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. >When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer >of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? If you have a clean, low-latency, connection then your receiving Kermit will be acknowleging packets fast enough that the extra buffering of the other available windows will not be needed. If you really want to force multiple windows, inject some line noise into your connection ;-). --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 12:50:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!fen!fim.uni-erlangen.de!da213 From: da213@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Rusch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:12 GMT Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg, Germany Message-Id: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fim.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS Danke jetzt schon From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 18:42:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!news2.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: BUSHEYA@news1.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:42:44 -0500 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news2.delphi.com Summary: can ckermit for os/2 provide a slip connectionn? Keywords: kermit os2 os/2 slip Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP connection..... Can it? busheya@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu busheya@delphi.com Busheya@ropt1.am.wyeth.com please e-mail or post a rely- note: this is only a hobby. From postmaster@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:13:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:38:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:37:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:13:50 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: : > : > : > -- : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) : > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") : ------------- : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code : Page in the display adapter. : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. : Joe D. -- No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. Any other suggestions? Please help :) From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:08:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:08:42 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3i562a$20l@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ram Gura wrote: > >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. > >Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Hi, Ram. Check the attributes of the binary file on the Vax with a $ DIRECTORY /FULL before downloading it to the PC and once again after uploading it to the Vax again. I am certain you will find some differences. You will need to use a RMS-attribute-modifying utility like Joe Meadows's very fine FILE utility to modify the RMS attributes such that VMS will find them palatable. Alternatively, you could use VMSHEX and VMSDEH (available from Columbia) which produce an ASCII hex file for transfer and which preserve RMS file attributes. Incidentally, I'm sure you'll get a flood of messages in this newsgroup telling you to get C-Kermit Version 5A(190) for Vax/VMS and Ms-Kermit Version 3.14 (especially the former); they are right; thruput with C-Kermit for Vax/VMS is astoundingly greater than that of old Bliss-32 Kermit (I still use both occasionally). Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:28:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit >> news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this >> claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are >> interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You >> can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to >> /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). >> >> Jeff >------- > That item again? Jeff, that is a pretty shoddy thing, rather short >on facts, which Chuck put out last summer. I hope you can a) read carefully >the material from Columbia too, and b) run your own tests. > Joe D. > > No, Joe, it's an updated version that explains the behavior of Columbia University's Stochastic Telepathic Kermit Hyperprotocol, something Columbia has not been able to do. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 15:35:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!usceast!usceast!not-for-mail From: woo@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Seung-Chul Woo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 18 Feb 1995 10:35:21 -0500 Organization: University of South Carolina - Columbia - Computer Science Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: poplar.cs.scarolina.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello netters, I hope this is a right place to post. I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. Thank you. - Seungchul Woo E-Mail: woo@cs.scarolina.edu From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 18:53:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 18 Feb 1995 18:53:05 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >> with a 1000 bytes packet. >--------------- > MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >what it should be? > Joe D. >-------------- [...] Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming from the speaker. It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to try it? BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering SLIP mode. -- Armand Zakarian From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!trieste.stat.washington.edu!neal From: neal@trieste.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:43:59 GMT Organization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trieste.stat.washington.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear kermit people, Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? Thanks, Phil neal@stat.washington.edu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22 University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627 http://www.stat.washington.edu/phil/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Reading snow is like listening to music. To describe what you've read is like explaining music in writing." --- Smilla. In "Smilla's Sense of Snow" by Peter Hoeg --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:42:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!unvax.union.edu!news From: "Mary P. McKnight" Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Sender: news@unvax.union.edu (System PRIVILEGED Account USENET News System) Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:42:29 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 trying name ted Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 Cannot resolve address of host ted However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still running), Kermit works fine. Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep closing it down. Thanks in advance for any help. Mary McKnight Office of Computer Services Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 mcknighm@unvax.union.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 04:07:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:07:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu>, Mark Becker wrote: >I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via >a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most >of the times things work well. > >However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I >set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. > >That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager >sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen >are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. > >There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should >be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that >bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? > -------------- The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status line. So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo material to discover the error there. Joe D. x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 09:48:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:48:02 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3i4foi$j7q@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: TYMNET thruput is 1900 cps Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: >Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told >is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? TYMNET is a character-switched network that is compatible with packet-switched networks such as X.25. It is usually used to connect async terminals to async or X.25 hosts, or to connect an X.25 source to an X.25 destination. >I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet >sizes are set to 1024. I get 921 characters per second from my PC to a UNIX host when I connect to TYMNET at 9600 baud. When going from one X.25 host to another (UNIX to UNIX), I get a transfer rate of 1875 to 1925 characters per second. That is pretty much the max, since TYMNET has a limit of 2000 characters per second and X.25 has some overhead. >Any clues?? ; This is Joe Smith's .kermrc for KERMIT version 5A(190) set file type binary ;For UNIX to AmigaDOS (but not for MS-DOS) set file name literal ;To preserve upper/lower case AmigaDOS file names define alpha set network x.25, set host 3106011111, connect define beta set network x.25, set host 3106022222, connect set block 3 ;Use CRC set window 3 ;Sliding windows - 3 slots set send packet 3000 ;3KB packets set rec packet 3000 set file display fullscreen set control unprefix all ; Disable prefixing of control characters set control prefix 0 1 13 16 17 19 ; ^@ ^A ^M ^P ^Q ^S set control prefix 128 129 141 144 145 147 -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 10:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!citi2.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI4.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:07:15 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi4.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that did the following: During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 03:43:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 03:43:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to this encoding mechanism. Following is an example header: This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 16:35:24. 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. [*BINARY*128] PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ g I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. Thanks for any assistance. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:16:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Date: 15 Feb 95 00:16:16 EST References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >> Hi There. >> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >> how. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions ? >> Thank you >> Ram Gura > ------------------ > a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. > Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. > b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. > c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one > too. > All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Not knowing what type of binary file, I'd warn you that doing a SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides may not correctly create the file on VMS. The problem is that Kermit-32 wants to create such a file with VARYING record lengths; if the file in question is an .EXE file or a .OLB file, the result won't be useable (VMS expects these to be fixed-length records of 512 bytes). You are also likely to have problems transferring object (.OBJ) files, because of problems with determining record delimiters when transferring between PC and VAX and back (this operation will obliterate the record boundaries and won't restore them properly). The best approach is to avoid transferring .OBJ files at all, and just transfer .OLB and .EXE files, being sure to SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the VMS side and SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC. I'd echo Joe's comment about replacing Kermit-32 with C-Kermit. It's a much better program - much better throughput and many more options, including the ability to transfer .OBJ files between VAXes by using the SET FILE TYPE LABELLED command. (You still can't transfer raw .OBJ files from the VAX to the PC and back - you need to put them in some kind of archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or .EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 15:27:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:27:49 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: helios@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : . : output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 : . : . : input {username:} : output chrisye\13 : . : . : output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. : connect : end : : At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type : "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I : run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is : droped. : What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to : sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? You can "output" any character with the "\" format, for instance \13 for CTRL-M (carriage return). CTRL-C is \3 (I can't tell whether you want CTRL-C or CTRL-\, which would have a different value, followed by "c"). However, it looks to me as though you are trying to give the command to C-Kermit, not to the distant machine. In that case "output" is not what you want. In fact, I don't think you want to connect at all before you run "slattach". Why not continue the script with "run slattach" and connect later? If you need to wait for a message that the slip connection is ok, you can use "input" the same way you did before sending your username. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:37:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!duq3.cc.duq.edu!FABRY8208 From: FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help i'm kermit retarded Date: 19 Feb 1995 05:37:14 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duq3.cc.duq.edu Summary: i need kermit assistance...please! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta learn sometime....thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:58:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: How to resume zmodem ? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:58:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > >Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, >when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file >from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is >there a way around this? Get a more complete ZMODEM implementation. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:41:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!shelterw From: shelterw@cuug.ab.ca (Xinnian Li) Subject: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Message-Id: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:41:22 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, kermit user guru: I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. Any advice and help on this stupid question ? thanks a lot. -- ========================================================= | Xinnian Li | Tel: (403)-279-7662 (O) | | Engineering Group (R&D) | (403)-258-3567 (H) | From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 23:09:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Feb 1995 23:09:29 GMT Lines: 86 Message-Id: <3hu1j9$fr0@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip6-17.fl.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Followup-To: news.groups Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.terminals bit.listserv.ibm-main bit.listserv.opers-l comp.protocols.ibm comp.unix.large comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 10:47:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Date: 19 Feb 1995 10:47:32 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my main computer. Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:43:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 19 Feb 1995 07:43:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 61 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 19-Feb-95 09:34:14 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish ; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. ; ; This is needed since the Unix latin1 works differently than ; "advertised". I have no idea why this is the way it is, ; but this works for me, with the documented exception. set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ (caret) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ (tilde) set translation input \24 \129 ; Show ascii 24 as u" set translation input \239 \154 ; Show ascii 239 as U" ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Here we have a problem ; ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters. ; Latin1 161 is supposed to be inverted ?, but it is not. ; Latin1 163 is supposed to be pound sterling, but it is not. ; What is more this translation does not work! The output on the ; screen remains unchanged and shows wrong characters. set translation input \161 \168 ; Show dec 161 as inverted ? set translation input \163 \156 ; Show dec 163 as inverted pound sterling ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends dec 235 set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends dec 159 set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends dec 238 set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends dec 251 set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends dec 31 ; Keyboard redefinitions for other 8-bit Unix characters set key \129 \252 ; Key U" sends dec 252 set key \154 \220 ; Key u" sends dec 220 set key \168 \161 ; alt-1-6-8 sends dec 161 (works) set key \156 \163 ; alt-1-5-6 sends dec 163 (works) ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 14:35:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!xx.acs.appstate.edu!rob From: rob@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Rob Norris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 13 Feb 1995 14:35:45 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hnqo1$ldf@lester.appstate.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xx.acs.appstate.edu Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >Hi There. >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. >Does anyone have any suggestions ? >Thank you >Ram Gura We had the same problems here. Went to C-Kermit on VMS. No problems now. -- Rob Norris Appalachian State University | (704) 262-6079 Academic Computing Services | rob@acs.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:41:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!salad From: salad@netcom.com (just me) Subject: Zmodem with Kermit.... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:41:32 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: salad@netcom7.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using the telnet features of ckermit 5A(190) on several unix platforms to connect to a modem server. I was told that 190 could redirect the I/O so you could use protocols such as zmodem. The problem is how? I assumed you could use the ! shell command, but that doesn't work. Sorry for a newbie question like this, but after going through the faq and other online info, I couldn't find how to do this. Thanks, Alan Narup IDS - Los Angeles salad@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 10:47:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164735.41824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 16:47:35 MDT References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu>, "Mary P. McKnight" writes: > I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > message: > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 > trying name ted > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 > Cannot resolve address of host ted > > However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still > running), Kermit works fine. > > Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have > Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep > closing it down. ------------------ Never try to run two protocol stacks for the same protocol over the same board at the same time. We warn of this in the docs and frequently on the net. DOS/Windows is not a nifty multitasking system with a real kernel and embedded TCP/IP stack that apps can share. To run two such stacks side by side you'll need two boards and two IP addresses. Anything less is entirely up to you and not without risk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 03:27:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit missing ckucon.c Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:27:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3hugna$glj@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I seem to be missing ckucon.c from my kermit package. Can sombody mail me the latest version of this file so I can finish my compilation. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 01:34:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:34:11 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >> who wants to use the different database. >> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >> >> Nackil >---------- > I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >folks would use it at least part of the time. > Joe D. How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 16:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I get rid of bell sound? Date: 19 Feb 1995 16:58:14 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:05:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:05:58 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, > upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to > be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying > to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a > reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone > tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or > pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to > this encoding mechanism. > > Following is an example header: > > This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 > 16:35:24. > 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. > [*BINARY*128] > PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ > ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q > %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ > g > > > I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring > the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and > have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Ethan ------------ That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, of PKZIP fame. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:09:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help i'm kermit retarded Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130922.42188@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:09:22 MDT References: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu>, FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) writes: > Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. > Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. > > 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are > in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view > them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take > me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. > > 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How > do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? > > Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta > learn sometime....thanks. -------- Dear il (oops, Jen), 1. No help because essentially no information. 2. Your mailer creates the name in the mailer header. See your Univ Computer Center admin for assistance on that. 3. Never let another person into your account to "help." If you do then you are a sucker being taken. Change your password NOW, and close off your account to outsiders. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:10:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131021.42189@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:10:21 MDT References: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second > computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my > main computer. Will a 286 do it? > > //Markus --------- An 8088 without a hard drive will do, provided it runs DOS and has enough memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:13:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:13:17 MDT References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: > j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way > to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is > very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem > on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo ------------ Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:14:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I get rid of bell sound? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131453.42192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:14:53 MDT References: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: > Dear netters: > > I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. > I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. > > > David -------------- Which Kermit, which operating mode? SET BELL OFF does work on MS-DOS Kermit, and for Connect mode you also have the choice of a visual bell (screen flash). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 15:28:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 15:28:33 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsb.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters: I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 09:19:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 09:19:00 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which >would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: >someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus >inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by >beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. > Joe D. Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: 1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? 2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. My hope was that the extra data was not chopped off and lost, but encoded back into the file itself, just as uuencode does. If that was so, it should be possible to do the reverse. Either way, one thing is certain: this mess was indeed the result of a "beginner". I tend to use a more derogatory word :-) Ethan From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 02:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 08:15:13 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: > Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects > automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian > developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through > TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without > exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student > who wants to use the different database. > Can you help me? Thanx in advance. > > Nackil ---------- I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then folks would use it at least part of the time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:25:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:25:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3iajaa$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu>, Phil Neal wrote: >Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running >Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cko190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, which should produce an executable called "wermit", in your case "make irix51ypc". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the softare and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:31:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:31:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3iajla$5ev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Xinnian Li wrote: >I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and >a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and >uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend >to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file >type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. > >Any advice and help on this stupid question ? > Read the documentation? For those who prefer not to read the documentation, the following short excerpt is reproduced from the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT): Kermit transfers files in text mode by default. This means that record formats and character sets are likely to be converted. You can tell Kermit to skip all conversions and transfer the file literally, as-is, with the command: SET FILE TYPE BINARY Normally, it is sufficient to give this command to the FILE SENDER before giving it the SEND command. But there are some exceptions to this rule: 1. One or both Kermits do not support "Attribute packets" (or they are disabled). This is true of many of the commercial and shareware Kermit implementations. Cure: tell BOTH Kermits to use binary mode. 2. You are using some combination of C-Kermit 5A(190) or later, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later, or IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 or later in client server mode. In this case, it is the CLIENT's file type setting, rather than the file sender's, that prevails. Cure: tell the CLIENT to SET FILE TYPE BINARY, or to be extra sure, tell them both. 3. You are sending the file from VMS C-Kermit, which is unique among Kermit programs in its ability to automatically switch between text and binary mode based on the file's characteristics. VMS C-Kermit ignores SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT when sending files, and instead uses binary mode if the file's record format is Fixed, and text mode otherwise. However, some binary files, notably VMS ZIP files, are stored using a "text-style" record format (Stream_LF), so Kermit sends them in text mode. You can override this by telling it to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 17:59:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 17:59:04 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3i03p8$6s0@news1.halcyon.com> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: > I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code >of my keyboard? Three solutions: 1: by using "^]^]" you can have Kermit send the escape character on through so that Telnet can see it; 2: use "set escape 28" to change the Kermit escape character to "^\"; 3: use telnet's "set escape" command. To get the scan code of a key on your keyboard, use Kermit's "show key" command. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:55:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:55:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ial2r$806@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? > Anyone who has read the manual, or even who has looked at the popup help screen for ^] should be able to help you. Ctrl-] (may differ on non-USA keyboards; e.g. on German keyboards it is Strg-+) is Kermit's escape character, which is, indeed, just like UNIX telnet's. And, like UNIX telnet, Kermit will send one copy of its escape character if you type two of them in a row. For further details, listen Guy Steele's hit song, "Ctrl-Uparrow C"... > Also how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? > You mean, how can you find out the scan code of a particular key? At the MS-Kermit prompt, type "show key" and then press the desired key or key combination. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:00:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:00:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de>, Thomas Rusch wrote: >Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS > Die FTP-Site fuer C-Kermit und alle andere Kermit-Software ist: kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:06:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:06:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3ialmf$97p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu>, Seung-Chul Woo wrote: >I hope this is a right place to post. >I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to >put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. >I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. > Try this: set dial dial-command ATL0DT%s\{13} This will turn off your modem's speaker every time you give a DIAL command. Or if you just want to send the command to your modem at some particular time, e.g. before dialing: output ATL0\13 etc. There are many variations on this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:11:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3iam0q$9s8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >... >Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. > Oops: Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z. ^^^^^^^^ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:45:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:44:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:00:17 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >> this encoding mechanism. >> >> Following is an example header: >> >> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >> 16:35:24. >> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >> [*BINARY*128] >> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >> g >> >> >> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >> >> Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Ethan >------------ > That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >of PKZIP fame. > Joe D. It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without persmission: >The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >though. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 06:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: jaltman@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 17 Feb 1995 06:24:19 GMT Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3i1fej$151o@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Reply-To: jaltman@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip36-148.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com>, BUSHEYA@news.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) writes: >Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a >data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP >connection..... Can it? C-Kermit cannot provide a SLIP connection. For a SLIP connection you need something like WARP's Internet Access Kit. After you have a working SLIP connection, C-Kermit for OS/2 will provide you with a very solid Telnet client which can be used over any TCP/IP network. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 17 04:04:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing from scripts Date: 16 Feb 1995 20:04:47 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one print from within a script? Thanks, David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:39:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:39:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3ib97i$ag2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: ..... >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > >It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has >happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit >characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else >sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 >bit files over a 7 bit connection. > Yes, but the receiving Kermit program -- if it is implements the Kermit protocol correctly -- puts the data back the way it was originally before writing it to the file. >It might not have anything to do >with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the >question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without >permission: >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' Actually, the "#" character is normally used for this. The user would have to go out of her way to change the control prefix in order to achieve this effect. >>...and ' means add X'80'. Normally the "&" character is used for this. Again, the user would have to take extraordinary measures to change this. >>There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and >>there may be repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for >>storing files, though. It wasn't meant to be. If the complaint is that the file was transferred with "kermit" and the results were as shown above, then the most likely explanation is that a faulty Kermit implementation was used on one or both ends. A less likely explanation is that (a) a faulty implementation was used on only one end AND (b) the user changed all sorts of defaults in order to get the file stored in the manner it was. A third explanation is that the file really does not look the way we see it above at all, but the excerpt above is the result of "typing" a binary file on a computer whose terminal (console) driver displays control characters in ^X notation and 8-bit characters in ~X notation. Hmmm, sort of like MS-DOS Kermit's SET DEBUG SESSION display... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 02:20:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:20:36 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >> In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>>> who wants to use the different database. >>>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>>> >>>> Nackil >>>---------- >>> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>>folks would use it at least part of the time. >>> Joe D. >> >> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and >> returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on >> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. >> >> Erik >-------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and >that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info >retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. I was misunderstood. If the connections are being made by Kermit then define a key to be the escape key inside the driving Kermit script. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the application though. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 09:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!EU.net!dkuug!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@OSLONETT.NO (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:09 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 28 Message-Id: References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > Does anyone know if > > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > ---------------- > Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. Well, maybe they actually need to make Kermit work with newer versions of Windows.... I had a similar question, (conserning WFW 3.11), and got help from this conference. I guess this question will pop up from time to time until Kermit becomes winsock-compatible one way or another. TCP/IP has grown to be the major Network protocol, and most TCP/IP applications made theese days are winsock-compatible. If the Kermit developers wants to keep its strong position in PC-LAN communication, I belive they have to make their product winsock-compatible. When that is said, I will add that thousands of people ae greatful that Kermit is made available as freeware. If the developing costs are too high to make a windows version of Kermit, making newer versions shareware should cover those costs. Best regards. Sven Andreassen. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 01:45:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 20 Feb 1995 19:45:25 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error >% message: > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux >last time I looked.) There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original files together. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!neptune.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:16:57 GMT Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 33 Sender: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.uml.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >-------------- > The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >line. I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? > So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo > material to discover the error there. I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > Joe D. > Thanks for your time - Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 14:24:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: How to resume zmodem ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:24:37 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: jzero@netcom3.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is there a way around this? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 02:03:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 02:03:44 GMT Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: >> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way >> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is >> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem >> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo >------------ > Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory >kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary mode for the transfer! The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:36:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:36:31 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") ------------- You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code Page in the display adapter. These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:39:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:39:53 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>> who wants to use the different database. >>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>> >>> Nackil >>---------- >> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>folks would use it at least part of the time. >> Joe D. > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > Erik -------------- Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. Poorly written library access software is the problem, and that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:41:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing from scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb17.094101.42007@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:41:01 MDT References: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com>, dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) writes: > How does one print from within a script? -------------- Print what? RUN COPY filename PRN works, of course. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 19:03:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 17 Feb 1995 19:03:34 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx2.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: % I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru % Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any % problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error % message: You should read the documentation that comes with Kermit in the networks subdirectory. Basically, Kermit won't work over the same stack as Trumpet Winsock at the same time. However, we have had good results running the two over pktmux, but it's a bit hairy and I'm sometimes amazed that it works at all. You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great manual. (Its home si e was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux last time I looked.) Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:27:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!zebu.heurikon.com!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:27:28 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged with a 1000 bytes packet. Is this supposed to work? Just curious. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 18:49:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 18:49:53 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great communication software to use. But I have a little problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from my host machine, my screen will be full of junk characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. How should I setup my kermit to do the hangup? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:19:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3idecs$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great >communication software to use. But I have a little >problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from >my host machine, my screen will be full of junk >characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. > On the contrary, it sounds as if you did hang up properly. The burst of junk is typical behavior from modems when the connection is hung up from the other end, which is usually what happens when you log out from the remote host or service. In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, you can also "set carrier on", which should have the effect of popping you back to the MS-Kermit> prompt as soon as carrier drops. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:46:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:46:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should > respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). > Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged > with a 1000 bytes packet. > > Is this supposed to work? Just curious. > -- > Armand Zakarian --------------- MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite what it should be? Joe D. -------------- $ multinet ping /data=1000 jrd.usu.edu PING JRD.USU.EDU (129.123.1.45): 1000 data bytes 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=0 time=11 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=1 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=2 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=3 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=4 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=5 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=6 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=7 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=8 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=9 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=10 time=5 ms - Cancel - ----JRD.USU.EDU PING Statistics---- 11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 5/6/11 From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:52:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.215202.42092@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:52:02 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu > (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > : > > : > > : > -- > : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > : > > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a > block > : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE > VT102") > : ------------- > : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is > : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character > : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code > : Page in the display adapter. > : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using > : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. > : Joe D. > > -- > No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using > Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still > getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting > triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat > characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I > checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. > > > Any other suggestions? > > Please help :) ----------- Ok, I have not the slightest idea of what the host is sending. One more guess then two suggestions. The guess is the host is sending bytes with the high bit set to a 7-bit terminal kind, and the high bits get lost (yielding funny stuff from the first 32 bytes in the PC display adapter Code Page). The suggestions are: Use a VT320 emulation, and if that does not work for you then Send me a session log with come added commentary on what the screen ought to look like in places. Please uuencode because it's a binary file, and send directly to me at jrd@cc.usu.edu. Details about your end of interest would be useful too (what terminal kind during the log, MSK version number, anything else you think is helpful). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:18:29 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i56kl$28k@pacifier.com> References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com>, wrote: > >archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or >.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit >doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. > I beg to differ. On C-Kermit for Vax/VMS systems, a SET FILE TYPE BINARY command produces fixed-length-record files, just as a SET FILE TYPE FIXED does in Kermit-32. Furthermore, the default record-length for the fixed-length records produced by binary mode in C-Kermit is 512 bytes as it is for type "FIXED" in Kermit32. This is what VMS expects for .EXE files. One thing I neglected to point out in my earlier post was kindly pointed out by another gentleman: Kermit-32's BINARY mode produces variable-length-record files and one must use a program like VAR2FIX (and perhaps then Joe Meadows's FILE utility) to produce files acceptable to VMS. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 17:20:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!lbliao From: lbliao@alumni.caltech.edu (lbliao) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AUTOMATING KERMIT DOWNLOADING AND UPLOADING DURING NIGHT Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:20:06 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i5a86$l81@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters, I have an account that only has a quota of 1Meg. During the day I download files into various directories in a directory structure. During the night I want to write an automated script that will move various files to various directories. In short I am lookig for script or looking for kermit commands and example scripts that can do that. I also have a Z-modem. zs -y allows transfer w/o going to the PC's zmodem and manually down-loading. Please tell me how to do this. Lily Liao From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 22 01:44:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:44:17 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 10:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Feb 95 16:25:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>--------------- >> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>what it should be? >> Joe D. >>-------------- > [...] > > Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and > P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte > packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming > from the speaker. > > It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware > is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to > try it? > > BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in > SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size > packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering > SLIP mode. -------------------- The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can clobber an existing driver. Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:41:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!OzEmail!bprior From: bprior@ozemail.com.au (Bruce Prior) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AS/400 to Unix Dialup File Transfer Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:41:34 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ib9bf$ci7@oznet03.ozemail.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: shell01.ozemail.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ Article crossposted from comp.protocols.ibm ] [ Author was Bruce Prior ] [ Posted on 19 Feb 1995 23:40:06 GMT ] Can anyone please let me know of a cheap and simple way of implementing dialup file transfer from an AS/400 to an AT&T GIS Unix system. The central Unix box does NOT have SNA, APPC, LU6.2, etc, etc, but DOES have Kermit, FTP (via SLIP/PPP terminal server), X.400, SNMP, UUCP, etc. The AS/400 systems do NOT have a terminal server or a router, but some have attached PCs. I know that AS/400 now comes with TCP/IP, and I also know that the IBM implementation does not come with SLIP or PPP. I also know that Kermit is not available for AS/400. Can someone set me straight on this? The solution offered must be inexpensive (ie. less than say US $1000 per site over 5 sites.) Please reply to the email address below. Thanks in Advance, Paul Leopardi for Bruce Prior and Fergus Ryder paull@sydney.dialix.oz.au TIAS PO Box 387 Bondi Jn NSW 2022 Australia Ph: +61-2-353-1000 Fax: +61-2-353-1009 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:45:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: C-kermit Linux bug in thermometer Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 04:45:39 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have run C-Kermit 5A (190) from several different versions of Linux, and have found an annoying bug. When I do file transfers using the full screen gauge everything works fine until the transfers are done then the screen scrolling locks up. I can ^Z out of kermit and run "reset" to get the vidio back to normal but with things over-writing each other at the bottom of the screen it is hard to see what I am doing :-) . My TERM is set to "console" and I don't have any terminals hooked to the machine to test other types. Thanx! =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*******************=========================*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= bscott@europa.com * It's always something! * Windoze95..96..97..98... | -Gilda Radner | ...Coming Real Soon Now. Linux ==>> :-) * * -LemmingWare inc. [tm] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 01:40:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:40:00 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3i67hg$a0d@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: Sender sees 1.5 window slots in use, receiver sees 1 when going is good. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. >Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? It means that everything is working properly. I have used kermit on a networks where the round-trip delay was 3/4th of the amount of time required to send a 960 byte packet at 9600 baud. Watching the lights I saw the following: 1) RD light on solid for 1.0 seconds. 2) SD light blips immediately after end of packet as ACK is sent. 3) Both lights out for 0.75 seconds as ACK wends it way through network, eventually getting to the remote host, which immediately sends next packet, and that packet takes a significant amount of time to make its way all the way to my end. The delay through the network was causing the thruput to be pretty bad. Switching to 3000 byte packets helped, but not by much. Without sliding windows (or with window slots set to 1), kermit was still operating in half-duplex mode. Then I switched to a version of kermit that handled sliding windows. Setting the number of window slots to be anything above 1 made all the difference. The receiving end saw a continuous stream of packets; the RD light was on solid. It reported only 1 window slot in use because all the incoming packets had good checksums; it did not have to buffer up any partial or out-of-order packets. The sending end saw 1.75 window slots in use. That is, it sent out the first packet, and because sliding windows were in use, started sending out the second packet even though the ACK for the first packet had not arrived yet. About three quarters of the way through the second packet was when the ACK did arrive. When kermit got ready to send the third packet, it saw that the first packet had been ACKed, the only one packet was outstanding waiting for its ACK, and the window size was big enough to allow it to send out another one. If I were to try to run kermit between a machine in Europe and one in the US, I would expect to see 3 or more window slots in use, as reported by the sending kermit. As long as the packets all arrived with good checksums, the receiving kermit should say that it had only one window slot in use. Summary: Setting the number of window slots to be greater than 1 at both ends makes a big difference in transfer speed. You should expect the receiving kermit to report that only 1 of the window slots was actually used. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 18:44:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!serra.unipi.it!sirio.cineca.it!gopher From: TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 19 Feb 1995 18:44:02 GMT Organization: UNIVERSITY OF UDINE (ITALY) - COMPUTER CENTER Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: uduniv.cc.uniud.it X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 20:19:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 21 Feb 1995 20:19:05 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) writes: :Timo Salmi wrote: :>set terminal bytesize 8-bit :>set terminal character-set latin1 : :These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you :could elaborate your extra translations? Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Likewise, have you actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that connection? :Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For :example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and :then you want to see D when you get control code 30: : :>set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 :>set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" : :I am very interested to know why you need those translations. Yes. So am I. SO AM I!!! I am a bit frustrated of hearing how it should work, but no one having set up the new Finnish convention being able to demonstrate it work over the said conditions in actual practice. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:32:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!hobbes.tad.eds.com!maverick.tad.eds.com!news-admin@tad.eds.com From: rlemire@csd.can.eds.com (Robert Lemire) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ioctl causes side affects with hp-ux x29server Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:32:43 GMT Organization: EDS of Canada Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ib8qr$2qe@maverick.tad.eds.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: boswg09.mtl.can.eds.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use kermit to transfer files from PC to hp-ux using the x.25 network. When the PC accesses hp-ux it instructs kermit to enter server mode. It is at this point that kermit issues ioctl() calls which has the affect of generating a command to the PAD. Set PAD parameter 3 to 127, forward packets on ALL characters. We would like to keep our setting of 2, which forwards only on reception of . The x.25 support is provide by hp. I have been told this is generated by the command "stty -icanon". I do not know which ioctl() appears to be generating this. 1) I would like to know which ioctl() call is generating this? We have traced it from the x.25 side and it appears to be the second or third TCSETA ioctl() call. 2) I am trying to test this theory out in a little C test program ( get pty, call ioctl ) but cannot get results since I have not programmed down to the unix device level. A little skeleton program would be very appreciated. thanks a million... From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 09:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 19 Feb 1995 01:59:53 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings to the Kermit community. I am seeking advice regarding accessing a UNIX (FreeBSD specifically) system from an IBM 3278 system via a telnet-type connection. I know virtually nothing of the logistics regarding this type of connection but I _am_ aware of the problems of full-screen buffering vs. character-at-a-time common to IBM <-> other-system connections. Does there exist a Kermit flavor for the IBM which can assist in connecting? Pointers to a relevant Kermit and document(s) would be most appreciated. Thank you. Reply here or via email to Signed, Another Happy MSKermit User :-) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:50:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:17:48 MDT References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? Yes, it's status line. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? No, the status line is never part of the rest of the screen. May I direct you to cryptic doc file MSVIBM.VT, copy in kermit/a on watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Compare what the host sends (LOG SESSION) with that doc. Joe D. >> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo >> material to discover the error there. > > I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine > is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. > > Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever > else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > >> Joe D. >> > > Thanks for your time - > > Mark > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ > | Mark Becker | #include | > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:23:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:23:19 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >>> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >>> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >>> this encoding mechanism. >>> >>> Following is an example header: >>> >>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >>> 16:35:24. >>> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >>> g >>> >>> >>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >>> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >>> >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> >>> Ethan >>------------ >> That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >>of PKZIP fame. >> Joe D. > > > It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has > happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit > characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else > sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 > bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do > with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the > question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without > persmission: > >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >>add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >>repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >>though. > > Ethan ----------------- Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are misunderstood on both ends). I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of trying to get a clean copy of the original file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 01:53:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 01:53:46 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >misunderstood on both ends). > I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >trying to get a clean copy of the original file. > Joe D. Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 18:28:40.10336 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. [*BINARY*128]PK ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ Thanks again... Ethan From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:44:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:44:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something else... John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 15:19:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 21:19:51 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >>misunderstood on both ends). >> I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >>trying to get a clean copy of the original file. >> Joe D. > > > Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files > of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, > uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not > the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human > error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I > have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. > > If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what > did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could > think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder > I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been > produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps > macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. > > Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a > previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go > home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer > related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... > > This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 > 18:28:40.10336 > 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. > [*BINARY*128]PK > ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W > ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ > c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ > > > Thanks again... > > Ethan ----------- I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:35:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Z-modem called from C-Kermit [VAX/VMS]?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:35:04 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is blasphemy! I'm a Kermit fan and I wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't necessary. I need to transfer a file to a site using Procomm Plus for Windows and I've tried with Kermit and it doesn't seem to be working right. It sends about 48% of a 1.2meg file and then starts dying for no apparent reason. I would like to attempt to transfer using Z-modem, but the Z-modem must be called from within Kermit. I know this can be done but I can't seem to locate a version of Z-modem that is designed to be called this way. I'm running on a VAX system running the VMS O/S. If anyone has any suggestions on getting the regular Kermit transfer to work, or on locating the right Z-modem program, let me know. Much thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 16:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!news From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 20 Feb 1995 16:39:26 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3iagju$1sj@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James Klaas wrote: > > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > According to the following excerpt from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/readme "Ndis3pkt.386 is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver interface on top of NDIS version 3. It allows packet driver applications to be used in a WfWG 3.11 (and, theoretically, Chicago) without loading any real-mode software components. Ndis3pkt ^^^^^^^^ performs all the VM (virtual machine) switching required to insure that the correct application receives packet upcalls, i.e., it includes the functionality of winpkt. In addition, ndis3pkt is willing to deliver the same packet type (and even the same packet) to multiple clients in multiple VMs. An optional tcp multiplexor allow several tcp stacks to exist on the same IP address under certain circumstances." ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/ndis3pkt.386 might do it. I have not yet installed it (under WfW 3.11), and would be interested myself to hear from somebody who has installed it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 16:16:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.221604.41980@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 22:16:04 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > In article <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >>> Hello, >>> > >> -------------- >> UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE >> >> The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 >> terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support >> Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as >> DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. > > > Is there a way to disable this? this seems to have broken our Wordperfect > office screens on VMS, the screen write backwards, and we've been going > nuts over this off and on... Our secretaries have been using kermit 3.12, > we switched over to a lan, and they all got 3.13 and we thought it was the > lan. it may be, but for a quickie look, can the disabling be done? --------------- The way to solve the problem (since we can't disable something which is no longer present in the code) is to put the new APC commands into WordPerfect. Please do see the release docs for MSK 3.14 and the WP/VMS docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 21:20:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!hopper.acm.org!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!usenet From: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 16 Feb 1995 21:20:05 GMT Organization: Brooks AFB, TX Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Reply-To: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: xenon.brooks.af.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies itself as being a Kermit emulator? We have some programmers who are writing an application and would like to query the connecting terminal to find out if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. Thanks for any help. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David W. Perry Computer Sciences Corp. Brooks AFB, TX perry@indium.brooks.af.mil From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 13:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 20 Feb 1995 15:26:09 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish >; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. Well, some universities decided to adopt ISO Latin 8859-1. It is a character set for West European languages, not only Finnish. >set terminal bytesize 8-bit >set terminal character-set latin1 These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you could elaborate your extra translations? For example: >;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet No it does not, but it belongs to Latin1 and there are lots of people in Finland who have letter u-umlaut in their name. Why do you want to change it to tilde? Latin1 contains both characters. Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and then you want to see D when you get control code 30: >set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 >set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" I am very interested to know why you need those translations. -Petri From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:30:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Message-Id: <1995Feb20.213038.42385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:30:35 MDT References: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > > Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show > the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might > you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a > ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 > emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need > kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the > correct characters presently I am setting: > SET TERM VT102 > SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT > > and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that > looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However > all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and > SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. > But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE > I GO BALD.. > > > mike@panther.fiu.edu > or > michaell@solix.fiu.edu ---------- VT100's are 7 bit devices, yet your host is sending an 8-bit code to judge by your description (values are useful here rather than just visual appearance, LOG SESSION to capture the binaries). VT220's and above support 8-bit incoming bytes. Try SET TERM VT320. ESC [ c is a request for device attributes, and the reponses change according to terminal type. It's a DEC function. MS-DOS Kermit responds the same as if it were a VT100. See manual text file msvibm.vt for details on this item. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb20.214106.42386@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:41:06 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>>--------------- >>> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>>what it should be? >>> Joe D. >>>-------------- >> [...] >> >> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and >> P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte >> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming >> from the speaker. >> >> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware >> is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to >> try it? >> >> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in >> SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size >> packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering >> SLIP mode. > -------------------- > The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration > problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure > that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can > clobber an existing driver. > Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is > not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest > MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number > of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 > headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). > SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. > Joe D. -------------- Adding more to my own message, but delayed sufficiently to escape critisism for following up myself... Reproducing your situation here shows no Ping response. That's a bug, a minor and nearly harmless one but still a bug. I'll try to see if I can patch it, but no promises. The bug is SLIP lacks a MAC address (Ethernet address kind of thing) and the code constantly checks for NULL values. Well, one place did but should have checked for SLIP conditions first, and that killed an outgoing ICMP reply for SLIP only. Working around that item here is a test with ping ICMP packets small enough to fit into a SLIP frame: $ ping -s slip.usu.edu 950 PING slip.usu.edu: 950 data bytes 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=0. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=1. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=2. time=2170. ms etc I also did massive file transfers (massive in the sense of time, file sizes only 250KB or so) back and forth with no trouble. This is using SLIP8250.COM shipped with MSK, and using no flow control at all. Thus the crashing and burning you experience is not seen here and again I suggest that your machine's configuration probably needs attention. Also, I strongly recommend keeping MSS's and MTU's small enough to avoid IP fragmentation; it's bad news. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:29:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:28:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 21:35:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Date: 20 Feb 1995 21:35:31 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix-gw.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the correct characters presently I am setting: SET TERM VT102 SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE I GO BALD.. mike@panther.fiu.edu or michaell@solix.fiu.edu Thanks a million and a half. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 15:42:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 23 Feb 1995 15:42:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iiack$h5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, David Perry wrote: > >This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS >version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to >send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that >Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies >itself as being a Kermit emulator? > No. >We have some programmers who are writing an application and >would like to query the connecting terminal to find out >if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. > We have added this capability to later versions of Kermit. Version 3.14 is the first one in which it is fully implemented. If: (1) The host sends the ENQ (Ctrl-E) character, AND (2) Kermit has been told to "set terminal answerback on", THEN Kermit will respond with an identification string that looks like this: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320 where "314" is the version (which will increase over time), "VT320" is the active terminal emulation (which can vary), and is a carriage return. You can also set up Kermit to append additional text to this message, before the CR. For additional details, see the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:05:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 19:21:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:21:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3iin7h$9dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one > text file and write it to a second file. When reading the first file I > want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that > contains "XXXXX". I can do the part of reading and writing to a new > file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that > contains "XXXXX" > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier releases) has string functions you can use for things like this. In particular, \findex(pattern,string,pos) looks for "pattern" in "string" starting at position "pos". Here's a sample script program: open read oofa.txt if fail stop 1 Can't open input file open write oofa.new if fail stop 1 Can't open output file :LOOP read \%a if fail goto done if > \fsubstr(XXXXX,\%a,1) 0 goto done write file \%a\13\10 goto loop :DONE close read close write MS-DOS Kermit's new string (and other) functions are listed in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and they are compatible with the ones in C-Kermit 5A, which are documented in the script programming chapter of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 15:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!janix.mfr.dec.com!mfrfms.enet.dec.com!ring From: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Subject: looking for a simple kermit script Message-Id: <1995Feb21.152401.26629@janix.mfr.dec.com> Lines: 15 Sender: news@janix.mfr.dec.com (SDSC USENET News System) Reply-To: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-12 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:24:01 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a simple kermit script doing an automatic binary file transfer from one node to a other node(both unix, once a day).I would like to add the UNIX script in my crontab,for calling a kermit script (dialing, logging in, getting the remote file, logoff and hangup). Any pointers are welcome. P.S.: I'm getting the Kermit "bible" in a few weeks, but I need a solution now. ---------- Georg Ring RING@MFRFMS.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 22:27:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 22 Feb 1995 22:27:36 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3igdoo$qeq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bradley Pick wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA Since my first message was very vague I will try again. I'm using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 to write a script that will log onto one system,capture a file back to my pc and then have it sent to another account for processing. The problem that I have is that after I capture the file back to my pc I have to strip away the bottom lines of the file before I send it out again. There are approx. 4 lines at the end of every capture that I need removed before uploading. The first line starts with ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED. This line and the remaining lines need to be removed. My first plan was to read and write the contents of my captured file to a second file, but stop writing(copying) to the second file when I encountered the line "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED". Is there a way of comparing a defined macro to this string ? Am I on the right track or is there a better solution? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:41:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 20:41:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ilg9r$l9t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com>, FIGHT THE POWER wrote: > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). That should be only a minor detail in an overall dismal picture. Your terminal is, in effect, an EBCDIC terminal, and the Unix system simply can't manipulate it effectively in ASCII. > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: That shouldn't be a problem. Your IBM's TELNET program should define an "escape" character, perhaps a back-quote, that tells it to suppress the carriage return on transmission when that character is the last printable character before ENTER. You should look at the documentation. > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Beats me. >Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with >this? No. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:48:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!news.ee.vill.edu!shrsys.hslc.org!gormley From: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 21 FEB 95 19:48:47 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 22 Message-Id: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: shrsys.hslc.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to change it back to 80 column. I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that point. I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or KERMIT.PIF. I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 enhanced mode. Dennis GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 00:36:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:36:21 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: taliesin@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: #In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: #>In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: #>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way #>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is #>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem #>> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo #>------------ #> Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory #>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. #> Joe D. #ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, #TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary #mode for the transfer! #The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited #Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please #download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. #-- #Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 # Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" #Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ #TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem Sounds like a blatant attempt at commerciality.... get this drek offa my usenet. I'll pay the $35 for the book if I can get free support like Frank and Joe have been providing of late... oh, and does Pro-YAM support X.25, networks, anything like that? (rhetorical question, don't answer) Stay on your panzy bbs'en where you belong, Forsberg. warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 10:55:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 22 Feb 1995 12:55:07 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3if56b$plh@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit >:>set terminal character-set latin1 > >Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS >PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Yes, all the time. Everything works just fine, including the 8 bit characters. > Likewise, have you >actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that >connection? I just tried it. I found uemacs still installed at finsun.csc.fi and it worked ok. Maybe there is something wrong in your uemacs or your unix terminal parameters? -Petri From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 03:07:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 25 Feb 1995 21:07:43 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ior9v$sg3@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about >anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks ^^^^^ >there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews >readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. I didn't make the comment about the multimedia document. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:47:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 01:22:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:22:01 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >>(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >>last night (a sad attempt at a >>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >>who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >>himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >>discredited! > >In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully >incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life >Benchmarks" is beyond me. What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. At least I haven't received any complaints from people who can't print out the text portion. Yes, Joe, the knewstru.zip article at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem could be considered incomplete. Joe, if you compare it with the earlier version you will note that a number of topics have been left out for the sake of brevity. The bottom line for credibility remains: Kermit developer Frank da Cruz did his benchmarks in secret. I invited Frank da Cruz and all the Kermit partisans to attend the Protocol Shootout so they could assure themselves the tests were fair. The careful reader of knewstru.zip will note that the Shootout was covered by two independent computer periodicals. When it comes to credibility, the question is: Why has Columbia University not offered to repeat the their tests under the public scrutiny that was present at Omen's Protocol Shootout? What is there to hide? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 10:11:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit command-line puzzle Message-Id: <1995Feb26.161148.43012@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 16:11:48 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the > customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay > > value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay > > some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. > > I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set > some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? ------------ The MS-DOS Kermit command line is interpreted internally as a macro. That means commas separate the commands within that macro; i.e., commas stand for the Enter key we would have pressed if saying the same commands at the Kermit prompt. Semicolons are either data if not preceeded by whitespace or the start of a line, or are comment introducers if preceeded ... And comments work only in Take files, not in Macros where they are always data. [Quiz on Friday so I hope you all took notes.] Now if you think all this is getting a triffle obscure may I warmly recommend a few days with either Perl or Sendmail, and then a week's vacation to recover. Joe D. You want commas up there. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 07:05:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.130503.42997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 13:05:03 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. >> In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. > > Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to > send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay > except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? ------------ Only two that I can think of, given the state of information in the thread so far. 1. Give up the patch file and change the source code yourself. 2. Use some other async comms driver. We designed MS-DOS Kermit to be a coherent communications program rather than a set of drop-in comms drivers. This means we fit the program to the perceived major uses of it, realizing that not everyone can be satisfied. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 02:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 02:48:00 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: : I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some : work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of : downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I : be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your friend is seeing. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 21:50:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!news From: jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 25 Feb 1995 16:50:44 -0500 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bedroom.kevin.net X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a cancel message from jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer). From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:48:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:48:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ivgkb$b3v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, wrote: >In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. > It may be annoying, but it's not strange. Nowhere is it written that data connections are symmetrical. It is probably the rule, rather than the exception, that data flows easily in one direction (usually towards the terminal) but not in the other (towards the host). Not only for reasons of transparency -- i.e. which control and/or 8-bit characters can pass through unscathed -- but also buffering, flow control, and so on. The minimum set of prefixed control characters in one direction is almost never the same as in the other. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:57:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.075733.43059@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:57:33 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). ----------- Supplementing my previous reply... One thing to watch is the sub notebook sized computers. Our experience has been that some vendors remove vital motherboard hardware found in all full PCs (the timer chip in particular) and Kermit cannot run. Such machines are not fully "IBM PC" compatible. Finally, please don't use an internal modem. Use an external modem and avoid much grief from interface design mistakes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:00:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Kermit command-line puzzle Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:00:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start kermit this way: kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start kermit this way: kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 02:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Message-Id: <1995Feb28.081612.43163@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 08:16:11 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help Once Again! > > I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information > Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 > cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or > \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the > same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and > then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not > understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? ------------ There is an easy solution. First, to remove some confusion about terminology the "Kermit Connect mode escape code" is an ASCII control code which gets one out of Connect mode. It is not necessarily the ASCII code for ESC (decimal 27); the default is Control-], decimal 29. Best to leave SET ESCAPE alone. Numbers represented in backslash form can have more than two digits after the slash, so \271 is decimal 271, not ESC 1. To separate \27 from the following ASCII 1 use notation \{27}1. The curly braces restrict the span of the number-seeker routine which is analyzing the backslash material. Alternatively, \27\31 does the same job in pure numeric form. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 05:53:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb23.105335.7299@ais.com> Date: 23 Feb 95 10:53:35 EST References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? No. But VT320's and above do have a 25th status line. On VT420's and above, the 25th line can be used as either a status line (logically a separate display window) or as part of the main display window. The VT420 can also be configured with more lines, for example, a 36-line mode, but the more dense displays get rather unreadable because the monitor itself is still the same size as the other low-end VT monitors. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? On the VT420's and above, if you have selected the 25th line to be part of the main display, then it will scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. If you have selected the 25th line to be a status line, then it will not scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. The normal behavior for the DEC VT-class terminals if a cursor sequence tries to place the cursor on any line beyond the end of the main display window (that is, on the 25th line or below in most cases) is to place the cursor at the same column position on the last line of the window (the 24th line in most cases). As I understand Kermit's behavior, it isn't strictly compatible with the DEC hardware; but there are other terminals out there that do behave similarly to Kermit. I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is that some of the software is doing a terminal type query and setting itself up according to what it receives from that - there's a fair amount of software in the DEC world that does that (even though you're theoretically supposed to take the OS's word for the terminal type). Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 15:27:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:27:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made a script to start SLIP Date: 27 Feb 1995 07:27:18 -0800 Lines: 258 Message-Id: <3isr0m$gi0@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: A dialin script that gets the IP number and starts slip Keywords: SLIP linux script X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I made a Kermit script that automates dialing into a SLIP server, taking the IP number it assigns to you, starting SLIP, doing the routing commands. It even takes care of disconnecting through killing the slattach process and exiting Kermit. It is for Linux, but it should work on other Unixes with only slight changes (esp. in the slattach and route command syntax). I also made a version for DOS, which I will upload if there is an interest for it. When using the script, make sure you change the site-specific settings, such as DIAL BPA (must match an entry in your dial directory). It asks for your password twice (to guard against typing mistakes) and remembers it for 'retry', this is a macro that restarts the script, needed if you hit a busy signal. Please let me know if you find any flaws, or have other comments. --Roland Kwee ------------------------------------- #!/usr/bin/kermit # slip.bpa Roland Kwee Jan. 12, 1995 # Kermit or shell script or to log in and make a SLIP connection. # Usage: kermit -y slip.bpa, or simply: ./slip.bpa # or, if the .kermrc inits bother you: ./slip.bpa -Y # Tested: Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190)-1994 # Shiva LanRover/8E, version 3.0.1 #################################################################### # COPYRIGHT (C) 1995 BY ROLAND KWEE (ROLANDKWEE@ACM.ORG). # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE WHO ARE # LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO RUN KERMIT:) # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK! #################################################################### # for debugging: set input echo on # show modem chat log session log # store i/o data to file #log debug log # store i/o data and Kermit internal data to file #set take echo on # show lines of this script #set take error on # terminate script on syntax or execution errors #set macro echo on #set macro error on assign retry take \v(cmdfile) # Note: GOTO won't work here. if = \Flength(\%p) 0 goto ask if equal \%p \%x goto dial :ask assign %d /dev/ttyS2 # device, line assign %s 38400 # bitrate modem<-RS232->computer assign %h bpa8 # host name as in the dialing directory assign %u Roland # Username # %p password # %x scratch # %r remote IP # %l local IP # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. set line \%d # Don't ask password if the line isn't free. if failure stop 1 Serial port is not available. echo About to make a SLIP connection to: \%h echo User: \%u askq \%p Password: askq \%x Re-type the password: if not equal \%p \%x stop 1 You misspelled it. Start over. :dial # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. #echo About to make a SLIP connection to system: \%h #echo User: \%u #askq \%p Password: #askq \%x Re-type the password: #if not equal \%p \%x end 1 You misspelled it. Start over. # Initialize my Kermit and modem: #take /usr/kermit/kermrc set modem hayes set carrier auto #run /usr/kermit/localtty \%d # slattach/dip may have left the serial port in raw mode, clean up: run stty sane <\%d set line \%d set speed \%s set dial dial-command atdt%s\13 # Assumes TOUCH-TONE phone line. set dial directory /usr/kermit/dial.dir # Kermit's phone book. set dial display on # ON or OFF at your convenience. #set dial prefix 9 # For dialing from the BPA phone system. set dial init-string AT&FL0M0&H3S7=90S40=124\13 set flow-control rts/cts set dial mnp-enable on set dial timeout 90 set input case ignore set input silence 0 # Just observe the timeouts specified in the script. echo Kermit setup done. # Dial. dial \%h if failure end 1 Could not connect with the remote modem. Try 'retry' later # Clear the input buffer. It is a 256-byte circular buffer. echo Dialing done. clear # Get a prompt. Sometimes you need to press Enter more than once. wait 5 # Wait a little before starting with asking for a shell prompt. echo \13Waiting done.\13 output \13 input 1 Userid: xif failure {echo \13retry1\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry2\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry3\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} if failure end 1 No username prompt at remote system. # Username. wait 2 echo \13Waiting done(username)\13 output \%u\13 input 5 Password? if failure end 1 No password prompt at remote system. # Password. #wait 1 echo \13Waiting done(password)\13 output \%p\13 input 5 > if failure end 1 No shell prompt at remote system. Login refused? # Protocol. wait 1 output slip\13 # Remote IP address. input 5 {My address is } if failure end 1 (My address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (My address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%r \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Local IP address. input 5 {Your address is } if failure end 1 (Your address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (Your address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%l \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Guard against programming errors in this script before launching slattach. if < \Flength(\%l) 4 end 1 Invalid local IP if < \Flength(\%r) 4 end 1 Invalid remote IP # Change the line discipline to SLIP. run /sbin/slattach -v -p slip -s \%s \%d & wait 5 # There is no way to find out when slattach is done. # Configure the SLIP interface. run /sbin/ifconfig sl0 \%l pointopoint \%r netmask 255.255.0.0 mtu 1006 # Add to the routing table. run /sbin/route add -net 53.1.0.0 sl0 run /sbin/route add default gw 53.1.1.2 sl0 #run /sbin/route add -net 53.160.0.0 sl0 # Test the new SLIP connection. run ping -c 1 53.1.1.2 # test IP #because of slattach, the INPUT won't work anymore #input 30 {1 packets received} #if not failure echo SLIP CONNECTION WORKS run ping -c 1 brick.bpa.gov # test DNS # Note that now slattach controls the port. Kermit is only needed so that # the lock file isn't stale. # The modem will hangup when both Kermit and Slattach are killed. # The method below uses the SUSPEND command, so it only works with # login shells that have job control. Most Bourne shells don't work. echo +=========================+ echo | Use 'fg' to disconnect. | echo +=========================+ set suspend on suspend # Put Kermit in the background. # Starting point after 'fg'. run killslattach \%d wait 2 run stty sane <\%d exit # This puts Kermit away. ============================ End of Kermit script. ================ This is what the killslattach script should look like: --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- #!/bin/sh # killslattach, to kill the slattach background job # Roland Kwee Jan. 13, 1995 # This script takes one command-line argument: the device file. set -x # Function to parse the first word, containing the PID f(){ PID=$1 } PS=`ps|grep slattach.*$1|grep -v grep` #echo process: $PS f $PS kill -INT $PID # This kills slattach and restores the line mode. # Further normalize the serial line. localtty /dev/ttyS2 stty sane #include #include #include #include void syserr(char *s){ fprintf(stderr, "system error: %s\n", s); exit(-1); } main(int argc, char *argv[]){ int fd; struct termios tbuf; if(argc<2){ fprintf(stderr, "localtty \n"); exit(-1); } fd=open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK); if(fd== -1){ fprintf(stderr, "Could not open device: %s\n", argv[1]); exit(-1); } if(tcgetattr(fd, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcgetattr()"); tbuf.c_cflag |= CLOCAL; if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcsetattr()"); exit(0); } --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ky04@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. My guess is that you have not removed prefixing from any control characters. This is being discussed in some other threads, and it is in the distribution files. I get 1060 cps with the default (all codes prefixed) and close to 1500 with a small set of prefixes. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 22:15:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:15:52 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: > > In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from >the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to >upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. >I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue >as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except >those concerning control character prefixing. > > Tito Yes, I've had exactly that happen with me, too. Although the Purdue University Computing Center refuses to agree with me, I find that the necessary control prefixing for my configuration is to prefix none of the characters when downloading, but to prefix character 255 when uploading. I don't know what this character means, so I have dubbed it the "send-three-packets-and-die character," because that is the command it seems to send to the terminal server. Unfortunately, the way I solved this problem was by trial and error. I just prefixed all the characters, and then unprefixed them one by one until I got an error. So, this rather tedious solution is the one I suggest. Good luck! Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 07:38:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!morpheus!gam From: Greg Mouning Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:38:18 -0500 Organization: Yale University Lines: 55 Message-Id: References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: morpheus.cis.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: gam@morpheus In-Reply-To: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I just downloaded a copy of Kermit for Windows and it works very well. Terminal emulation and file transfers were successful. Finally, a true (native) Windows version of Kermit. According to the manual Wayne Warthen says: The following limitations exist in the current version of Kermit for Windows: * There is no scripting facility yet. * There is no ability to direct terminal output to a printer yet. * File handling options are currently very limited. All received files overlay existing files and files are always downloaded to the current directory. * No session logging capabilities exist yet. Even without these features I find this to be a very good package. Thanks Mr. Warthen, I look forward to your improvements. Greg Mouning gam@yalevm.cis.yale.edu On 20 Feb 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, > Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: > >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: > >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > >% message: > > > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great > >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux > >last time I looked.) > > There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version > of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). > > It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions > appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues > that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction > on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original > files together. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 24 Feb 1995 12:23:03 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ilf78$9i1@pacifier.com> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: > >Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: > >1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? > Yes, if one uses an ftpmail server to gain access to ftp sites via E-mail. > >2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text >file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, >it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size >similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. > Sounds to me like the person uploading the file(s) forgot to set his/her ftp program to image or binary mode before uploading the file(s). This would most definitely result in larger uploaded files than the originals. You'd have to look thru the RFC's to find the conventions for ftp ASCII transfers in order to reverse them. Even then, I'm afraid, it would be a lost cause as, as Professor Dupnik says, the high-bit of characters would be chopped off. I'd notify the keepers of the various ftp sites of the broken files so said files can be zapped! Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 21:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 24 Feb 1995 13:21:11 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ilik7$fi8@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: When did line 25 first show up? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: >> a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? In article <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Yes, it's status line. Question: Which terminal from DEC first had the 25th line? The VT100 did not have it; it was limited to 24 lines only. Same for the VT102, VT105, VT106, VT125, VT180. I'm not sure if the VT220 had it, but I'm fairly sure that the VT3xx and VT4xx terminals do. (Technical nit pick: Actually, the VT100 could display more than just 24 lines; it could display 23 and 2 halves. During smooth scrolling, the bottom half of the previous line 1 would be visible, lines 2-24 fully visible, and the top half of the new line 25 just starting to come into view. But since this was a transient condition, it doesn't count as a full 25 lines on screen at the same time.) -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 01:25:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 24 Feb 1995 19:25:46 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >last night (a sad attempt at a >multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >discredited! In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life Benchmarks" is beyond me. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 04:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!ppp108.cac.psu.edu!rab166 From: rab166@psu.edu (Ron Burkett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what talk program to use with kemit Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 04:46:52 GMT Organization: CAC Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp108.cac.psu.edu X-Authinfo-User: rab166@psu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information even if its quite broad will help. Oh....and i'm refering to talk programs...not irc. -thanks -Ron Burkett TheKing@psu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 03:01:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!ttmath!mmettler From: mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu (Michael J. Mettler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 25 Feb 1995 03:01:48 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Mathematics Dept. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ttmath.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics'), but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem the same as mine. Any ideas? Thanks. Michael J. Mettler From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:19:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:19:32 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I need to receive zmodem during an MS-Kermit session, I escape to control mode and call macro "sz" which contains "run zmodem ..." according to the instructions that came with the zmodem program. I saw a suggestion to define a key to call the macro if you use it often. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 20:54:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:54:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, Michael J. Mettler wrote: >I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. >... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >the same as mine. Any ideas? > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer rate. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 21:00:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what talk program to use with kemit Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:00:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3j801a$a4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Burkett wrote: >I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying >to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock >applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know >anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information >even if its quite broad will help. > Kermit gives you a terminal emulator to a host or service. The talk application is on the host or service that you are connecting to with Kermit. Fancy ones divide the screen into two (or more) windows, one for each party. To do this, they send screen-control escape sequences to the terminal -- in this case to Kermit. So the only things you need to know are (a) what talk applications are available on your host or service (which you would find out from your local support people at IUP), and (b) how to make sure your host or service is using a terminal type, such as VT100 or VT320, that is supported by Kermit. Kermit's VT emulation is excellent, so talk clients that exercise advanced VT terminal features will work better with Kermit than with most other emulators. Talk clients generally have names like "talk", "chat", or "phone". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:23:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.172302.43018@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:23:02 MDT References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >>Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >> >>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >>protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. >> >>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >>friend is seeing. >> > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. > What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and > Kermit reports 20% efficiency. > ky04@lehigh.edu ----------------- Two possibilities come to mind, assuming that you have reviewed the advice given in the distribution material (if not get the MSK 3.14 set binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu). First, you may not be using sliding windows. SET WINDOW 4 is a nice value, on both ends of the conversation. Second, the other end has to play along, and you don't indicate what it might be. If it is say ancient Kermit-32 then run, don't walk, to your system administrator and get C Kermit 5A(190) installed on that VAX. [Grab from above, directory kermit/c-kermit, stuff is ready to go for many systems.] If the other end is a BBS of some kind then the quality of the Kermit program there is often (too often) pretty terrible, and we do offer "the real thing" as MSK-LITE for BBS use. As a reminder about modem numbers, that 38,400 bps value is the maximum rate at which data flows between the modem and the computer, irrespective of the data rate on the telco wires. If the modems connect at say 2400 bps then that's the bottleneck. Also, Kermit doesn't know what the telco speed happens to be, so the efficiency value is computed at the modem<->computer data rate; inflate by the ratio of local/telco bps. For example, a 9600 bps connection and a 38,400 bps "DTE" speed would yield an apparent efficiency of 25% (38400 / 9600 = 4) under ideal conditions. I can't say more without knowing what's on the other end of the wire. May I also remind readers to grab the list's FAQ which is file FAQ.TXT (upper case) in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Many questions are pre-answered in it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:07:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT emulation problems Message-Id: <1995Feb26.170712.43017@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:07:11 MDT References: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out > to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have > comm software which uses MSKERM314. > > > Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: > I only see codes on the screen. > Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct > this problem. > > I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: > Term video writing: direct > display: regular, 7-bits > term controls: 7-bits > term code-page: CP437 -------------- You have the "medium" edition which is shrunk in size by omitting those features above. Please do read the docs accompanying the distribution. Grab the quick-start distribution binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu. For all features use the full edition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 15:55:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 25 Feb 1995 15:55:28 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3injtg$5n0@reuters2.mitre.org> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can >log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of >competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a >remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a >TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account >to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET >feed. > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if >my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting >characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? The problem is that (if you're using the IBM TCP/IP program) it doesn't cleanly handle a typical UNIX remote host connection if the distant machine is doing anything other than generic TTY emulation. In particular, there is no mechanism for the remote system to send screen orders (cursor addressing, highlight, clear screen, etc.) and there is no mechanism to tell the distant host when you use a local editing key such as cursor up/down/left/right or edit/delete. The remote system is reading the terminal type that your local TELNET command sent is during option negotiation when you established the connection, but finds nothing in its TERMCAP (or TERMINFO) data base to tell it what to do. The buffering mode used by 327x terminals also conflicts with the full-duplex character mode expected by UNIX (and other) systems. If your IBM host is running VM, there is a rework of the TELNET interface that was done by a user and provides at least the ability to respond to VT100 screen orders that are sent by the distant UNIX host. I'm no longer in the IBM mainframe world and can't remember the name of the person who did it, but if you check with the IBM sysprog at your shop ask him to look around on VMSHARE for references. The work may have been done at CUNY. If he doesn't have access to VMSHARE ask him to check with other contacts in SHARE; if the shop doesn't belong to SHARE, or if the IBM system is running MVS/TSO, I can't help you. Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:49:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" without success.) Thanks in advance marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 13:50:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:50:13 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: @137.189.4.24 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? By the way, I have another question related to the escape character. I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. How can I supress it ? I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) Any idea ? Regards, Chan Wai Ming. -- ******************************************************************************* * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************* * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:44:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:44:22 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ip18p$qml@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters > out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full > order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" > commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" > without success.) ---------- The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:50:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.105020.42987@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:50:20 MDT References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk>, chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) writes: > 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back > :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters > :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I > :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? > > > By the way, I have another question related to the escape > character. > > I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, > every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. > How can I supress it ? > > I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit > will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 > as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) > Any idea ? ---------------- The "escape" key from Connect mode is a regular ASCII control code. Special IBM-PC keyboard items such as Control F10 are not accepted, nor is even F10. However, keyboard verb \Kexit does the same job and can be assigned to whichever key combination you wish; by default this is assigned to ALT-x. Pressing the "escape" key brings down a short menu offering to take action depending on the next key pressed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 18:33:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:33:18 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. > In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? Thanks! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:06:21 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. > >Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >friend is seeing. > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and Kermit reports 20% efficiency. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT emulation problems Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:37:26 -0500 Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have comm software which uses MSKERM314. Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: I only see codes on the screen. Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct this problem. I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: Term video writing: direct display: regular, 7-bits term controls: 7-bits term code-page: CP437 Thanks for for any help. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 20:59:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: reh3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: waitfor command ? Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:59:44 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, i am using ms-kermit 3.14. is there a command for use in a script which will wait for something, other than a certain amount of time? i am trying to connect from my pc to and annex terminal server through an adi box. my problem is that sometimes it takes several seconds for the annex to respond. right now i have a script that waits for several seconds, but if the annex does not respond, it connects anyway. i am only modifing the original script, and did not write it. thanks in advance. Ryan Hope From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 04:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware for ms-kermit? Date: 27 Feb 1995 04:23:05 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 13:47:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!steveh From: steveh@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com (Stephen Hulbert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and spider ports Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:47:59 -0000 Organization: Hewlett Packard UKRC Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Reply-To: steveh@hpwin061.uksr.hp.com Nntp-Posting-Host: hpwina21.uksr.hp.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit People, I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. I want to automate a connection from my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: 1) Set serial line and speed 2) connect at this point I am connected to a spider 3) open hayes 4) atdtnnnnnnnn (nnnnnnnn being the phone number) 5) login when connected (optional) It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). One thought I had was to connect via 'cu' first, then switch to using kermit. I've tried this as follows: 1) cu to the remote machine and do a kermit -r 2) do a ~!sh to get back to my machine 3) remove the /usr/spool/uucp/LCK files 4) kermit setting line and speed 5) send a file Unfortunately, I just get %T%T%T% rather than the file transfer. If I do a connect though, that works. Any ideas? Steve. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:17:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.071724.43054@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:17:24 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). > > Will a 286 do it? ------------- An 8088 XT (without hard disk too) will do for MS-DOS Kermit. It's not Kermit that constrains your choices but rather the other things you will do with the machine. Given the low cost of motherboards it is difficult to recommend anything less than a 486. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:29:19 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >writes: >> >> Hi, Kermiteers! >> >> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >----------- > That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. > A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. > Joe D. Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not compatible? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 00:00:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and spider ports Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:00:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3jdjbn$ha1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com>, Stephen Hulbert wrote: >I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. > You mean Columbia University's C-Kermit 4E(072) from 1989, which HP was distributing with HP-UX through version 9.xx. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). >I want to automate a connection from >my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: >... >It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to >assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). > The current version of C-Kermit has a full-blown script programming language that will let you do anything you want, including multi-stage connection processes like the one you describe. Please upgrade to the current version of C-Kermit, consult the documentation about how to write script programs, and then if you have any further problems, contact technical support in the normal fashion. To get C-Kermit 5A(190): anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:50:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:50:37 GMT Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy Lines: 12 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 with an various external modems and serial links to unix boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another communications program, as these modems are supposed to work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 14:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bb09320 From: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Mark Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:56:30 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings :)) Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. -- M M A RRRRR K K MM\ /MM A A R R K K M M M M A A R R K K M M M A A R--- K KK M + M A ===== A R R K K M M A A R R K K M M A A R R K K Address: Mark Garcia Binghamton University E-Mail: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 21:29:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Adding second line to "output" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:29:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus output atdt7414444/13 but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 07:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:11:32 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 15:43:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:43:32 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags gmake sunos41gcc \ "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have set speed 14400 then kermit complains ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 If I type 'set speed ?' I get: set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua0 in bits per second, one of the following: 110 1200 14400 150 19200 200 2400 28800 300 3600 38400 4800 50 57600 600 7200 When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Can't change speed to 14400 Call complete. Mind you, it's just an annoyance, everything works fine. Any idea? I my tty port setup screwed up? Thanks, /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ /* "When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction" (S. Wright) */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:17:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jecv7$gj5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? >thanks, gideon Hebrew modes are built into the standard distributions of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190) and above. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:22:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3jed7q$gol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message > > To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). > Can't change speed to 14400 > Call complete. > While C-Kermit supports a line speed of 14400, it is not universally supported by all hardware. This is probably the case with your Sun. On the other hand, since everything works fine without the line speed switch it means that your modem is not changing the line speed to 14400, so neither should C-Kermit. Use: set dial speed-matching off to disable the speed switch. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 13:30:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Adding second line to "output" Message-Id: <1995Feb27.193027.43132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 19:30:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak writes: > > My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus > output atdt7414444/13 > > but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the > modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do > both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions > would be appreciated. ----------------- AT commands are terminated with a carriage return, the \13 you see above. Notice that you've typed the slash the wrong way. You can simply add another output command to send atm\13. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar2.092948.43364@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 09:29:48 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > says: > >>In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >>writes: >>> >>> Hi, Kermiteers! >>> >>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >>> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >>> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >>----------- >> That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. >> A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. >> Joe D. > Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not > compatible? -------- I said what I said above. I haven't the slightest idea of what "compatible" means in this circumstance. But it does not take an advanced degree to understand the troubles which an ensue to comms programs if the machine is taken out of action for extended milliseconds to chat with disk. In a general sense, the fewer things loaded on the machine the fewer troubles one is likely to have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:53:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: Linux C-kermit scroll fixed Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:53:36 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to those who E-Mailed me. I downloaded the C-Kermit source and recompiled it since the premade binary was the one giving me trouble. However, Kermit would not even compile with ncurses 1.8.6, which was what I had. It turned out that 1.8.7 is out now and that did the trick. BTW the problem was that the scrolling would lock up after a full screen (thermometer) type file transfer was completed. I ran "reset" to return it to normal. With the new ncurses this problem has vanished. \ It's always something! / Coming soon (promise!) bscott@europa.com | -Gilda Radner | | | Windoze95..96..97..98... Finger ---- PGP | Linux Now | -LemmingWare [tm] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!usenet From: Madhu Raj Koka Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:25:17 GMT Organization: ECC at Ford Motor Company, Dearborn Michigan Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: sl0476.srl.ford.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : -------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: -1, mode: remote, modem-dialer: direct Bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Terminal emulation: 7 bits Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout: 10 7 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Length Limit: 2048 1024 File parameters: File Names: converted Debugging Log: none File Type: binary Packet Log: none File Warning: off Session Log: none File Display: on Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete File Disposition: discard, Init file: .kermrc -------------------------------------------------------------- On my PC I tried to "match" these parameters in kermit options. But no use for binary transfer ! Any thoughts are appreciated. madhu PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so at what settings. ) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 10:52:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:47:43 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help Once Again! I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to do that. Thank-you for your patience!!!! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:05:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:05:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, J. Patrick Harrington wrote: > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 >with an various external modems and serial links to unix >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that >will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another >communications program, as these modems are supposed to >work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. > There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software will work with this (or any other) particular combination. Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so idiosyncratic that they work only with special software that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't work at all. Having said that, it is still quite likely that you can make this combination work by (a) following whatever directions come with your modem to eliminate address and/or interrupt conflicts (good luck), and (b) upgrading from MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 to 3.14, and (c) reading section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Let's face it -- the PC was never designed to handle all the responsibilities that have been foisted upon it over the last 10 years. The average PC of today is overladen with memory, CD-ROM drives, Sound Blasters, network boards, serial ports, mice, internal data/fax boards, and who knows what else -- more devices than there are interrupts to handle them and drivers all sharing the same memory and pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:13:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:13:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3jfcaj$qi2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? > Yes, an even greater one. Just look in the HEBREW directory of MS-DOS 3.14 Kermit diskette (or ZIP file). Some of the improvements in v3.14 include: a public domain Hebrew font is packaged on the diskette, automatic switching of keyboard modes (English / Hebrew) is supported with a complete Hebrew key map provided, etc, and there is now thorough documentation in the HEBREW.DOC file. Here is the READ.ME file from the HEBREW directory: USING MS-DOS KERMIT WITH THE HEBREW ALPHABET This directory contains the supplementary Hebrew files for MS-DOS Kermit: READ.ME - This file HEBREW.DOC - Documentation of Kermit's Hebrew features HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Short explanation of HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table KEYMAP.PS - PostScript picture of Hebrew keyboard layout For details, read the HEBREW.DOC file. The associated Hebrew font is in the PCFONTS directory, and the HFONT macro loads the Hebrew font. The font requires EGA, VGA, or higher graphics adapter. NOTE: Hebrew support works best when used on a normal 25x80 screen. See PCFONTS\READ.ME for further information. (End of READ.ME) From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 14:02:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!not-for-mail From: rwitmer@lanai.Eyring.COM (Robert Witmer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:02:16 -0700 Organization: Eyring Corporation Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.Eyring.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: eyring.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have a kermit script file. It starts out with log session and when I review the log and watch the screen I can see everything except the last few commands of the script. Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? I have at the end of the script, # Last few things to do... ... <- a few commands to run on remote system. clear #Now logout from remote system. output logout\13 pause 5 hangup quit I see most of the session, down to those last few commands, but I don't see all of those last few commands. The script just returns and the last part of the log is missing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -Bob Witmer From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:22:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:22:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags > gmake sunos41gcc \ > "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" > >and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have > set speed 14400 >then kermit complains > ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 > The reason the sunos41xxx makefile entries do not define the symbols -DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K is that the underlying operating system (SunOS 4.1.x) does not support these speeds. Look in /usr/include/sys/ttydev.h and you can see for yourself. You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, then tell C-Kermit to "set speed 38400", "set dial speed-matching off". Also be sure to use RTS/CTS flow control. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:27:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:27:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3jfd6a$s0j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka wrote: >I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to >my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. >Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. >On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get >is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. >... >PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so >at what settings. ) > That's the ticket. You should also be running a more recent version of Kermit on the HP -- version 4E is also very old stuff. In any case, it should be sufficient to tell both Kermit programs to "set file type binary" -- that should ensure correct binary-mode transfers in both directions. For further information, please consult the manuals, and also the sections on binary transfers in the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT If you still have trouble after that, send email to kermit@columbia.edu describing the problem in detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:31:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jfdcm$sd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com>, Robert Witmer wrote: >I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have >a kermit script file. It starts out with > log session >and when I review the log and watch the screen I can >see everything except the last few commands of the script. >Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers >which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? > CLOSE SESSION? - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 18:27:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: 6 Mar 1995 18:27:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfk6m$b6p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information >Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 >cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or >\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. > As shown in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", 2nd edition, p.211, Table 17-2, "MS-DOS Kermit Backslash Notation", the way to do this is: set key \nnn \{27}1 Otherwise, Kermit has no way of knowing what you mean. You could also use: set key \nnn \27\48 >P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to >do that. > There is still time. Send email containing your complete postal address to knews@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:37:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:37:30 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do this? thank you in advance -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:42:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!recnews-2.4 From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: funny new Bios2 option Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:42:54 -0600 Organization: mailEnteringNews @ Honeywell Technology Center Lines: 36 Sender: daemon@src.honeywell.com Message-Id: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: moon.src.honeywell.com X-Received: from skylab.src.honeywell.com by src.honeywell.com (4.1/smail2.6.3/SRCv0.25); Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST id AA00382 for comp.protocols.kermit.misc at Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST X-Received: by skylab.src.honeywell.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA10700; Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old one did. in response to: set port 2 kermit responds: This port operates through the Bios and, in response to: set speed 19200 kermit responds: Unimplemented baud rate neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) any idea what's going on? thanks in advance, -geo --- George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 hadden@src.honeywell.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:00:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Message-Id: <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 15:00:23 MDT References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > > Is there any way to test for this situation and exit cleanly > with an error message if this occurs? > > set flow rts/cts > SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT > SET CARRIER ON 1 > SET QUIET ON > ; \%a was 4, > def \%a 4 > echo > echo Attempting to connect to Common Ground... > :tryagain > set line /dev/tty\%a Perhaps you would do better with the hardware flow control port /dev/tty00h or equivalent. As Frank has commented extensively, Unix has rotten serial comms support and the system may well not do hardware flow control properly nor easily. I recall that my UW 1.1.3 system does RTS/CTS control ok with the "h" port. You should also play with the SET CARRIER option to get around sensing and waiting for it in the initial stages of things. I wish I could help more but I avoid modems on my Unix machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:56:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:56:20 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, where I could type the responses by myself? How to do that? Any pointers? Thanks a lot! Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:35:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:35:15 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject line says it all, as it has been doubtless said before. Thanks for your help. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 15:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:53:32 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: helios@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu By WWW, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Can't find my notes for anonymous ftp address, but I think it was kermit.columbia.edu -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:41:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny new Bios2 option Message-Id: <1995Feb28.214127.43255@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 21:41:27 MDT References: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com>, hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) writes: > > i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old > one did. > > in response to: > > set port 2 > > kermit responds: > > This port operates through the Bios Then, as the Kermit docs explain, it failed to pass muster as a real legit serial port. Hence the Bios is used and that is a terrible pathway. In short, the modem isn't working properly, and with PCMCIA that is not unusual. I recommend you chat with the vendors involved. > and, in response to: > > set speed 19200 > > kermit responds: > > Unimplemented baud rate > > neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond > at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios > thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through > Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my > newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) Sure, the networking is available if you have the underlying network stack. That's all it means. Joe D. > any idea what's going on? > > thanks in advance, > > -geo > --- > George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) > Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 > hadden@src.honeywell.com > From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 17:26:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: David Coons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 6 Mar 1995 17:26:07 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jfgjf$7pp@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dcoons.acs.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. > If so how would I be able to obtain it. Try ftp://kermit.columbia.edu//kermit/e/faq.txt From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 07:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Message-Id: <1995Mar2.133753.43390@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 13:37:53 MDT References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka writes: > Hi Guys, > > I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. > > I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to > my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Yup, ancient, and we don't support ProComm. > Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. > On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get > is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. > > On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : > -------------------------------------------------------------- > C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Oh my. That is truely ancient. Please, oh please, update the HP to use C Kermit 5A(190). > PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so > at what settings. ) a) You must be joking. b) Please do read the manual and the release docs. We have taken pains to pre-answer the question. Good luck with the new toy(s, when you get C Kermit too). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 07:51:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:51:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with COMTCP? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 17:59:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Bell Date: 1 Mar 1995 09:59:39 -0800 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((206) 693-0325) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Kermiteers! Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs and GETs or RECEIVEs? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 23:03:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:27:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Date: 2 Mar 1995 23:03:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3j5irn$88i@news1.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , craig szczublewski wrote: >how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit >on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It >only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from >an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a >macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do >this? In the C-Kermit 5A(190) distribution there is a ckurzsz.ini script which does this kind of thing. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:07:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made SLIP script for DOS Date: 7 Mar 1995 01:07:42 -0800 Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: Automates making a SLIP connection; contains instructions and hints. Keywords: slip dialin telnet dos packet-driver X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following reasons: 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. 3) For netsurfing, I would suggest forget about DOS/Windows and use Linux or FreeBSD. Due to the sophistication of DOS/Win, these are almost as good as Unix, and at least as complex to set up. The free Unixes have also a lower price, and more and better versions of ftp, Mosaic, lynx, mail, news, etc (better price/quality ratio). A week or so ago I posted a Kermit script to start SLIP on Linux. 4) Note that the script below does NOT have the automatic login and redial features from my Linux script. If you want those, just copy them from the Linux script (and modify to suit). You do not need the slattach and route sections from the Linux script. OK, if you still use DOS, here is the kermit script. Good Luck, Roland -- ; slipbpa.tak Roland Kwee Feb 8, 1995 ; Make sure you study the script and change things according ; to your com port, modem, phone#, etc. echo Setting up Kermit for SLIP set port com1 ; use the highest speed to communicate with the modem, to ; keep up with compressed data rates: set speed 38400 echo Initializing the BlackBox modem 32144. ; reset modem to factory defaults, echo on, full responses, answer: output at&fe1x4s0=1\13 pause 1 ; turn the annoying speaker off: :output atl0m0\13 ; hardware flow control (required for slip): output at\Q1S7=90\13 set flow-control RTS/CTS ; Network settings (verify with your system administrator): set tcp/ip address 1.1.20.90 set tcp/ip broadcast 1.1.255.255 set tcp/ip subnetmask 255.255.0.0 set tcp/ip primary-nameserver 1.160.11.34 set tcp/ip gateway 1.1.1.2 set tcp/ip domain net.surf.gov ; Make connection, the entry must be in the file DIALUPS.TXT: dial slipprovider ; Handle the other side manually. Could be automated. connect ; When the modems connect: log in, start the remote slip, escape ; back to your local Kermit prompt. ; If you want to run Mosaic or some other application than Kermit ; over the SLIP connection, uncomment this exit: ; exit ; If you want to use Kermit to telnet into a remote host over SLIP, ; this section does that: ; Change from dialin mode to telnet mode using the packet-driver interrupt: set port tcp/ip ; If no name server is running, use the numeric form: ;set tcp/ip host cpu.domain.gov set tcp/ip host 1.160.1.254 ; In telnet mode, flow control is not needed. set flow none connect ; To end the SLIP session and hangup the phone, just start Kermit ; again, but not in telnet mode, and issue the HANGUP command from ; the KErmit command prompt. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Mar 95 15:52:54 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > > Hi, Kermiteers! > > Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX > box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, > if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon > completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does > *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of > writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the > behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs > and GETs or RECEIVEs? ----------- That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 14:18:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3jhpvt$t18@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > In other words DTR is up, which is wired to DCD on the UnixWare side, so the SET LINE (open) succeeds, but you can't send a character because you are not getting its RTS signal, which is cross-wired to CTS. How about this: WAIT 10 CTS IF FAIL STOP 1 Flow control deadlock I'm not certain that modem-signal support is available in the UnixWare version of C-Kermit, but it is, this should do the trick. If it isn't, maybe it can be added if the underlying support is there in OS. To check, just type "show modem" at the UnixWare C-Kermit> prompt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 15:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:15:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jhtaj$4ul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. >Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial >command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, >where I could type the responses by myself? > There are many ways to do this. First, you should do by hand whatever it is that you want to automate, and LOG SESSION during the process to record exactly what characters come in from the host. This will help you to write your INPUT statements. Then test your script on an actual session, using SET INPUT ECHO ON and LOG SESSION. If it works, you're done. If it doesn't work, and you can't figure out what is wrong by looking at the screen or the (second) session log, then: a. If your computer has two serial ports, connect them together with a null modem cable. Run Kermit in CONNECT mode on one and run your script on the other. b. Or connect two computers back-to-back with a null modem cable. On the computer that is in CONNECT mode, it is convenient to use SET KEY to program the remote computer's responses to keystrokes, for speed and to eliminate typing errors. Also note that C-Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands also work in REMOTE mode, so if you are accessing your UNIX host from a terminal or emulator, you can also test your script on the "console". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 17:34:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:34:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ji5g0$hcf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet >redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with >some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried >specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and >neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with >COMTCP? > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port using OS/2 services. On the other hand, you could always be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190) which is designed as a real OS/2 32-bit application. It provides most of the features that MS-DOS Kermit has except for VT320 and Tek terminals. But it also has many OS/2 specific features such as support for long filenames, REXX scripting, PM Clipboard copy/paste, Mouse support during terminal sessions, and much more. C-Kermit for OS/2 may be retrieved from ftp kermit.columbia.edu in /kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 16:30:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!astro.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:30:50 GMT Organization: U.of Maryland, College Park, Astronomy Lines: 47 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ji1nq$94d@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, |> J. Patrick Harrington wrote: |> > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 |> >with an various external modems and serial links to unix |> >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a |> >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of |> >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. |> >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that |> >will work? |>> |> There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software |> will work with this (or any other) particular combination. |> Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so |> idiosyncratic that they work only with special software |> that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't |> work at all. ---- good advice deleted ---- |> .... and drivers all sharing the same memory and |> pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and |> so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is |> going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or |> mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. |> |> - Frank Amen! I *have* been able to get my Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA modem to work properly with the OmniBook 300, and I just wanted to clear this issue up and not leave the impression that there is a fundamental problem with this combination. I believe what happened is the following: I have been using OBMAX on the OB300 to free up enough space to run some favorite DOS programs. When OBMAX has removed some of the drivers, even if "install=d:\omnibook\obcic.exe /GEN 1" is in the config.sys file, I could not find the modem. However, with the standard boot to windows (and with "set port 2" in kermit) there is no problem. The XJ2144 does have a tendency to emit a sort of "static" sound while running, but this happens on the HP100LX also. Thanks to all who provided suggestions. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 06:04:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Made SLIP script for DOS Message-Id: <1995Mar7.120446.43897@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Mar 95 12:04:46 MDT References: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > > Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although > it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following > reasons: > > 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the > packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) > in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to Actually in autoexec.bat is a bad place. One needs to dial and login to the remote host first, then start SLIP frames. > BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt > to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, Terminology: SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver. Applications reach Packet Drivers though an interrupt between 0x60 and 0x7f. > use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote > slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either > FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by > issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. > > 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software > such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers More terminology. Lan Man uses NetBEUI; it's not a TCP/IP stack. SLIP is strictly IP. NetBIOS may be run over the top of a number of protocol stacks, including TCP/IP (so-called RFC-NetBIOS). > to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you > should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver, which does SLIP work. If you have only telco lines for comms then it's either that or PPP to move TCP/IP traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 10:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!seismo!ukma!news.cuny.edu!news From: ea8qc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for FAQ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:46:52 GMT Organization: Queens College, CUNY Lines: 5 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. If so how would I be able to obtain it. TIA Louis Bianchi From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 00:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!zen From: zen@netcom.com (DEVRAJ URS) Subject: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:46:09 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: zen@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Netters Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) ? Thanks dev -- Devraj Urs ( Dev ) Systems Integrator Practical Technology zen@netcom.com Compuserve: 74143,312 (714) 521 4678 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 02:57:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 3 Mar 1995 02:57:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lucky136.acns.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know that this must be a simple fix. Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. TIA, Ken -Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Type ? or HELP for help SOLARIS-DEV>connect Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 19200. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect Can't read character: Operation would block (Back at multitude) SOLARIS-DEV> C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 2 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 2048 2048 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 3 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: ATQ0S2=43X4&M4\{13} Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13} Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Modem signals unavailable Command bytesize: 7 bits Terminal bytesize: 8 bits Terminal echo: remote Terminal locking-shift: off Terminal newline-mode: off Terminal cr-display: normal Terminal character-set: transparent CONNECT-mode escape character: 28 (Ctrl-\, FS) Suspend: on -- Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 05:01:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!jonathan From: jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Message-Id: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Date: 3 Mar 95 16:01:40 +1100 Organization: The University of Melbourne Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing something here? Advice appreciated. Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Ridler, Telephone: +61 3 344 7994 Information Technology Services, Fax: +61 3 347 4803 The University of Melbourne, Internet: jonathan@ucsvc.its.unimelb.edu.au Parkville, Vic., AUSTRALIA, 3052. X.121: 050523343000305::jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ type smtp.cmd ; KERMIT command file to test SMTP port. ; Thanks to Aaron Leonard @ TGV Inc. set host testbox 25 input 3 220 ; wait 3 secs for 220 banner if failure goto test_again ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :test_again ECHO SMTP did not respond - testing again. set host testbox 25 input 10 220 ; wait 10 secs for 220 banner if failure goto smtp_dead ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :smtp_dead ECHO SMTP is NOT responding! QUIT $ kermit smtp.cmd Executing SYS_SYSROOT:[KERMIT]CKERMIT.INI;3 for VMS... Good Afternoon! Trying 128.250.111.1... SMTP did not respond - testing again. %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =0007FA31, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC CKUUS7 setlin 8438 00000211 0007FA31 CKUUS3 doprm 7133 0000026D 0007AB61 CKUUSR docmd 8056 0000207D 00069C3D CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit script wanted Date: 3 Mar 1995 15:10:50 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming ;-). The scripts should contain: - error handling (output/input chatting with remote) - self executing script - self documented - good for learning kermit scripts In fact, I would like to make the simple script I have done for a paging service more foolproof and include error handling. However, if somebody already has written a IXO or ::number::message:: like kermit script, this would be very appreciated (I know tpage, but I will not have perl available on the machines I will install this script) Could somebody please give me a pointer? Thanks a lot Regards Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:13:15 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Garcia (bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu) wrote: : Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit : for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. MS-Kermit comes with a pif file and instructions for running in a DOS window. See thread "Kermit 3.14 and Winsock" for a native-Windows clone if you dare. I haven't tried it. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 03:09:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:09:55 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it would download as fast as zmodem: set send packet-length 9024 set receive packet-length 9024 set block 3 But instead I get two lines of error message, saying ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 4 03:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 3 Mar 1995 22:16:37 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: > >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post the version you're using when experiencing problems. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3jkf15$1q3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. >If so how would I be able to obtain it. > Yes: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt It also goes by various other names, which are all links to the same file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/e/faq.txt ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/fAQ.TXT etc. It is also accessible on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit and then select "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:32:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:32:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3jkf66$22e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , DEVRAJ URS wrote: >Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make solaris2x (for Sun compiler) make solaris2xg (for GCC) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:38:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jkfgb$2ln@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. wrote: >Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a >connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for >hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know >that this must be a simple fix. >Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. >... >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) > Say no more. Solaris != SunOS. You are running (a) an out of date version of Kermit, and (b) the wrong version. Please pick up version 5A(190) from kermit.columbia.edu, and then build it for Solaris, not for SunOS. See the instructions at the top of the makefile, and also read the ckuins.doc file for further installation instructions, and also be sure to read the Solaris section of the ckuker.bwr file for voluminous notes about problems with Solaris 2.3 (which mostly boil down to installing every Solaris patch you can get your hands on). Btw, preliminary reports about C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4 are good. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:46:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script wanted Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:46:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Message-Id: <3jkfv9$38s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), >I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming >;-). The scripts should contain: > >- error handling (output/input chatting with remote) >- self executing script >- self documented >- good for learning kermit scripts > Please, if you want to learn how to write Kermit scripts, use the C-Kermit book. There are three chapters that show you everything, step by step. Every technique that you need to use is explained and illustrated by example. Would you try to program in C or Pascal or Perl without looking at a manual? Would you try to make a TeX document without ever looking at the TeX book? Sorry to keep responding to so many messages this way, but (a) we put a lot of work into these books and they answer most of the questions posted on this list, and (b) sales of the books are what pay for the software you are using. Daniel, you can get an idea of how to write Kermit scripts by looking at what is right under your nose: the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that is distributed with C-Kermit. As far as pagers are concerned, scripts for handling alphanumeric pagers were posted to this list, if I recall correctly, and one was also published in the previous issue of DEC Professional. For numeric pagers, see the hints in the FAQ, ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt. The C-Kermit manual is available in both English and German editions: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:53:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:53:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3jkge0$3uk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > Yes, you can download with Kermit as fast as (or faster than) Zmodem, but the directions above are oversimplified. In general (assuming we are talking about dialup connections using modern modems), the following elements are necessary: 1. Hardware flow control 2. Long packets (but 9024 is overkill -- 1000 or 2000 should be enough) 3. Sliding windows ("set window 4" or thereabouts) 4. Control-character unprefixing (makes a difference for ZIP files, etc) See our FAQ for further information: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > It looks like you are using either an ancient version of Kermit, or else some other (non-Kermit) software. The current version of Kermit for PCs is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, January 1995. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), October 1994. By the way, something is wrong with News here, and delivery of messages is delayed by a long time -- about a week. If all the messages that I am replying to have already been long since answered, my apologies for the duplications. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:37:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!ainews!aisb!simonpe From: simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Simon Perkins) Subject: Lost messages while interacting with Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Reply-To: Simon.Perkins@ed.ac.uk Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:37:06 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on UNIX in local mode. While I am interacting with Kermit directly (i.e. while the C-Kermit> prompt is up), characters that get set by a remote host to the kermit terminal screen seem to just get lost. When I reconnect they don't reappear again as I seem to remeber they did on MS-DOS Kermit. Is there anyway of not losing this information? -- Simon Perkins simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk Dept. of AI, Edinburgh University. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:04:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:04:25 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alex Hamlin (hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu) wrote: : I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large : improvement. : However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy : signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue : without hanging up. Your modem is responsible for recognizing the busy signal and sending text to the Kermit script. Check the new modem initializing strings against the old ones. You need something like E1X4 to check for busy and echo the result, but it may vary from model to model. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:17:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:17:27 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote: : In article , : >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. : Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post : the version you're using when experiencing problems. To save Joe some typing :-) Start by getting the latest version of MSKermit and read the documentation. It tells you more than you need to know about the settings. It also tells you how to buy the book. As a preview, the advantage to long packets is that the overhead of checking for errors is about the same, so the fewer times you need it, the less is slows you down. Going from 90 to 1000-byte packets eliminates most of the overhead. Going longer than 1000 can't save more than 100% of the remaining overhead, so it becomes less important than other things you can adjust. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:08:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: d.coons@ttu.edu (David Coons) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:08:39 GMT Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3j9s97$pbd@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: accs04-1.ttu.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large >improvement. >However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy >signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue >without hanging up. It's your modem's job to detect a busy, not Kermit's. If your modem type is in the \MODEMS subdirectory, add a SET MODEM ________ to MSCUSTOM.INI. Otherwise, you'll have to OUTPUT a string to the modem to let it detect a busy. The ATXn command controls this on most modems. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 21:55:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!dgrisner From: "David G. Risner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: waitfor command ? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:55:56 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 15 Message-Id: References: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I beleive what you are looking for is the INPUT command. For MS-Kermit the syntax is: INPUT [timeout] String to wait for This waits for the specified anmount of time, or the default time if there is not time specified, for the string to come over the COM port, telnet session, etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Southwestern University School of Law Library Los Angeles, CA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 08:03:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!KremlSun!kiae!relcom!newsserv From: "Andrey V. Glukhov" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 15:03:10 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: Commercial bank "Enisey" Message-Id: Sender: news-service@kiae.su Reply-To: andrey@ennet.krasnoyarsk.su X-Return-Path: kiae!ennet.krasnoyarsk.su!andrey Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all I have some problems with kermit script programming. My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). set count \ffiles(*.test) echo total of files: \v(count) :loop assign \%m \fnext(*.test) echo \%m ;open read \%m ;close read if count goto loop quit The result of playing the script above is: total of files: 5 1.test 2.test 3.test 4.test 5.test The result of playing the same script without semicolons is different. Why? total of files: 5 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test Best regards, Andrey Glukhov From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 10:55:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:55:34 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jzero@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: | Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: | 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server | 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit | and issue a GET command. | 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) | 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). | 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! | I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either | do nothing, or hang up my line. | How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? | --Lawrence. | -- After GET(ting) the file, type finish. Then esc back to Freenet's kermit. Now type quit. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 14:14:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: 9 Mar 1995 14:14:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3jn2gh$nbu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrey V. Glukhov wrote: >Hi, all > >I have some problems with kermit script programming. >My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). > >set count \ffiles(*.test) >echo total of files: \v(count) >:loop >assign \%m \fnext(*.test) >echo \%m >;open read \%m >;close read >if count goto loop >quit > From the ckcker.bwr file: The following script program: set count \ffiles(oofa.*) :loop send \fnextfile() if count goto loop does not work as expected. The SEND command (and any other command that parses a filename, including TAKE) implicitly calls the same internal function that \ffiles() calls, and thus destroys the file list set up in the first line. To accomplish this type of operation: (1) give the wild filespec to \ffiles(); (2) loop through the file list and assign each filename to an array element; (3) use the array of filenames in subsequent file-related commands. Example: asg \%n \ffiles(\%1) declare \&f[\%n] for \%i 1 \%n 1 { asg \&f[\%i] \fnextfile() } for \%i 1 \%n 1 { - send \&f[\%i] - } - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:15:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:15:11 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from MS-DOS KERMIT? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:26:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:26:13 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit script programming: Beside case - like branches in Kermit scripts I'd like to use other stuff. Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? At the end, I'd like to write a pager kermit script which handles errors from the paging service correctly.. Here is an example of such a case construct: ; ; some initial stuff comes first... ; ; :once_again dial \m(telepage) output ::\m(pagernumber)::\m(message):: ; ; now how do I do this? ; case input 00~OK) goto OK ; call accepted 10~sNOT~sOK) goto 10_NOK ; protocoll error 11~sNOT~sOK) goto 11_NOK ; message too long ... ; other error codes come here ... ... 55~sNOT~sOK sleep 30 - hangup - goto once_again ; network overload done :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end ... ... :end exit (I'm not that good in programming.....) Any pointers and other help is greatly appreciated... Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 10:09:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!Radio-MSU.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Date: 28 Feb 1995 10:09:52 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? Thanking you in advance Peter P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email address, because our news stuff here lags several days. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 03:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 03:28:59 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3jgjts$i4s@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:57:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:57:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3jpsth$22k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 12:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar10.081548.528@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:15:48 -0400 References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: >> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i >> know old PCLink could do it. > ------------- > You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and What you may be looking for is control-s for stop scrolling, control-q for start scrolling. That it? JIm /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 23:56:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:56:39 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering : (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to : 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at 38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster might have to do the same. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:44:28 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jh9ts$h0i@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes: >I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively >trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP >test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no >problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing >something here? I had a similar problem. After all I found that C-Kermit will crash when it tries to send characters while it already receives data in a script. Thus, you'll have to ensure that your script doesn't send any commands while there are still characters arriving. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 07:59:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:59:36 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: jzero@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) writes: | But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) | how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit | on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It | only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from | an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a | macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do | this? | thank you in advance I got this from someone else on this newsgroup (don't remember who) to be added to .kermrc : define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 17:40:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:11 -0500 Control: cancel <1995Feb26.184656.24442@lafn.org> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org Subject: cancel Message-Id: <1995Mar4.174043.23707@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:40:43 GMT Approved: news@lafn.org Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from nr -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 21:07:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!freenet.buffalo.edu!ba177 From: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Subject: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:07:52 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit and issue a GET command. 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either do nothing, or hang up my line. How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? --Lawrence. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 21:06:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 21:06:05 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jihrt$mt7@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How come my script commands work fine when I enter them by hand but won't when the script executes them? Is there a timing issue? Do I need to use "expect-send" sequences so that the script knows when to send the next command? My script (or the significant lines) look like: script -- kermit~s~055i~s~055x~s~055e~s1000 get filename.ext This works if I type the command, it doesn't when the script executes. Thanks in advance... racerx From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 22:02:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!news From: Antonio Querubin Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? In-Reply-To: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:59 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. > > However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers > then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil > support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port > using OS/2 services. But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't MS-Kermit? I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:56:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 11 Mar 1995 17:56:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3jso96$53j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > >But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP >as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept >it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't >MS-Kermit? I can't help you here. >I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to >perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in >the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and >C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. The script languages for MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (in the latest versions) are nearly identical. That should not be breaking issue. And where you do have differences they can easily be handled by checking the \v(program) variable. >And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when >I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? >Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I >just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or >with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it >works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. >Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. You don't understand the interactions of the various components. COMTCP works by intercepting the BIOS software interrupts for the COM port. It then calls a DOS Device driver (VDOSTCP.SYS) which in turn is just an interface to a Virtual Device (VDOSTCP.VDD) which then calls a monitor (VDOSCTL.EXE) which eventually speaks to the real IP protocol stack. Great if it works. Obviously it doesn't with MS-DOS Kermit. So if you want to use MS-DOS Kermit what else can you do? Well, Ray Gwinn's SIO package provides several tools. Lets's start with the serial ports. SIO.SYS is an OS/2 serial port driver which can create a virtual COM port which can be monitored by VMODEM.EXE. Anything sent to this virtual COM port will insteadbe redirected to the IP protocol stack via a Telnet session. Now the question is how do you communicate between MS-DOS Kermit and SIO.SYS. Well, there are two interfaces that Ray provides. First is VSIO.SYS which provides a virtualized 16550 UART for the virtual COM port. The second is VX00.SYS, a fossil interface which has zero overhead in communicating with the SIO.SYS driver since it doesn't have to worry about simulating hardware. Now you tell me, which one do you want to use given that MS-DOS Kermit supports both a 16550 and Fossil? I choose the Fossil interface. No overhead, and MS-DOS Kermit will have serial performance equal to OS/2 applications when handling serial devices. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.091510.43993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 09:15:10 MDT References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin writes: > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > >> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. >> >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > > But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP > as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept > it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't > MS-Kermit? This discussion is rather short on informational material and long on complaints. I have not seen COMTCP so I have on idea of what things it does or wants. Suffice it to say MSK does work fine with BIOS ports, and with Int 14h shims of various kinds for various networks. My only guess is COMTCP expects a certain, unstated, sequence of events from the application program before it will work "properly" (whatever that might mean in your situation). Without COMTCP at hand (I have OS/2 2.10 and its TCP/IP stack) there is nothing more I can say on the matter. Further hints would be welcomed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 05:07:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar11.110705.44383@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 11:07:05 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a > 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem > connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. > > Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 > and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, > this happens: > > I type AT > I get ATT or just A > > Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like > ATDDT5551134 > > Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: > > Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and > 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. > No effect. > > Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems > communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. > I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. > But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these > apps. ------------ Gee, I dunno. It it the sending or receiving end, I wonder. If you ATDTnumber and it dials ok yet the screen shows dups then it's the receiving end. In such a case I'd say replace the serial cable with a better and shorter one. I'd also be suspicious of 16550A class UARTs implemented on big square chips because some have noted snafus. Insert here the ususal comments about avoiding hardware conflicts and helpful TSRs, and not configuring the machine for too much speed (wait states, similar), etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 05:02:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.110258.44008@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 11:02:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: > > Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: > > 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server > 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit > and issue a GET command. > 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) > 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). > 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! > I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either > do nothing, or hang up my line. > > How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? > --Lawrence. ------------ Send FINISH to end Kermit protocol mode, then Connect to resume interactive conversation. BYE does FINISH and logs out. It's all in the manual and the HELP screen. Kermit-Lite has no Connect mode so you can't talk interactively through it. It's possible that you or the BBS has turned off recognition of FIN/BYE (a DISABLE command) on their Kermit, and that leaves you with only hanging up your end. If this were the case you'd need to tell the BBS operator to fix their end. So what Kermit were you using on your desktop? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:17:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:17:10 MDT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. > > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. > > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? > > Thanking you in advance > > Peter > > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. > -- > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY --------------- All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and they can't really avoid doing so. The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:18:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: unix kermit server timeout Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091826.44367@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:18:26 MDT References: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it>, Francesco Ruggiero writes: > Hi > > I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). > > How can I set this ? ---------------- Manual time. SET SERVER ? to see options, including timeout. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:21:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:39:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Message-Id: <1995Mar11.092122.44369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:21:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > HELP! > I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a > function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a > user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape > codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter > autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the > screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence > so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just > display it on the screen? Chances are excellent that your host is not sending the ESC byte. Turn on MSK Connect mode debugging by SET DEBUG ON and view the material sent by the host. Or use LOG SESSION to see the bytes in binary form. > P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what > looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to > PRN. Why do I get this screen dump Works ok here. I can't say why you'd get a screenfull of garbage. Any hints? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 02:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.080200.44117@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 08:01:59 MDT References: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), > my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to > break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. > > Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! > > What is the syntax for scripting this??? > > I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p > > but no luck. > > Thanks In Advance, > > racerx --------------- SHOW KEY, press Control-P, see Kermit decimal code \16. This is in the manual and docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 17:57:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Message-Id: References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 09:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 118 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at >38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. >I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster >might have to do the same. Here's a way to speedup SparcStations ability to handle higher data rates on the builtin serial ports. -scott /* 10:03 AM Jul 11, 1994 por adar0@routers.com en igc:comp.sun.admin */ /* ---------- "SunOS patches req'd for PPP/SLIP" ---------- */ Netters, There has been a number of questions over the last several months about the which patches (if any) are required on SunOS 4.1.x systems to make PPP and/or SLIP reliable. I've assembled responses from several individuals and summarized them in the note below. Thanks to all who responded. If there are any questions, please send them via email direct. Enjoy, Rich Adamson adar0@routers.com Sun Workstation OS Patches for Serial Ports ------------------------------------------- Author: Rich Adamson (adar0@routers.com) The Router Exchange, Inc. Date: July 11, 1994 There has been a lot of discussion in various news groups relative to the possible need to apply Operating System patches to SunOS 4.1.x systems in order to have pppd function reliably. The note you are reading should help explain the technical need for these patches. This note applies to all versions of SunOS 4.1.x, including the current shipment of 4.1.3_U1 from Sun. The patch required is: For SunOS 4.1.x systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/100513-04.tar.Z For SunOS 4.1.3_U1 systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/101621-02.tar.Z (Note: These have also been available on cs.columbia.edu /archives/mirror3/sun-patches/100513-04.tar.gz watserv1.waterloo.edu /sun_patches/100513-04.tar.Z) Either patch will require rebuilding the kernel to incorporate the fix. Technical Detail: ----------------- Most of the inservice Sun workstations use a Z85C30 Integrated Circuit to handle built-in serial ports. The Z85C30 generates a system interrupt for each incoming character. Therefore for each baud rate noted in the table below, system interrupts will occur at the following approximate rates: Serial Port Speed Interrupts Occur ----------- ----------------------- 9,600 baud every 1040 microseconds 19,200 baud every 520 " 38,400 baud every 260 " 76,800 baud every 130 " A typical IPC or IPX workstation cannot handle system interrupts any faster than about 19,200 baud while an SS5 workstation is limited to about 38,400 baud. The ability of a system to handle higher baud rates is directly related to the speed of the system processor and other higher priority system level activity. As each incoming character arrives on a Sun built-in serial port, an interrupt is generated by the Z85C30. The system processor responds to this interrupt taking the character from the Z85C30 and placing it in a ring buffer. The ring buffer is essentially emptied by the pppd application, and then passed to whatever application (eg, telnet, ftp, mail) it was destined for. If the built-in serial port is set to a speed that is faster than what the system interrupt structure is capable of handling, silo overflows will occur. If the application (pppd) is not allowed sufficient processing time to empty the ring buffer, then ring buffer overruns will occur. The Request-to-Send (RTS) and Clear-to-Send (CTS) pins on an RS232 serial interface cable are used to provide hardware flow control of OUTGOING data from the Sun to the modem. There are no equivalent pins defined on the RS232 serial interface to provide incoming hardware flow control. Although the patches noted above are often referred to as RTSCTS hardware flow control fixes, the patches actually do not implement any form of incoming "hardware" flow control. Rather the patches deal with the efficiency of handling internal system interrupts and the size of the ring buffer used as temporary incoming data storage. Incoming data flow control (or lack thereof) can be easily seen by initiating a large file transfer into the Sun via the pppd serial port, and while the transfer is occuring, initiate another process to 'find' a file or simply execute a 'df' command to produce other activity on the same system. You will either notice an interruption and long delay in the incoming ftp data, or system logged errors such as the silo overflow and/or ring buffer overruns. The long delay is typically TCP/IP timeouts and error recovery processing. Without the patch, the ppp session can be dropped or blown off-line in unpredicable ways. Summary: -------- Sun workstations running pppd can operate very reliably, however the reliability decreases as the built-in serial port speed increases. This is a function of the SunOS system, not pppd. The best that current 14.4kb async modems with compression can accomplish is about 19.2kb effective throughput, therefore setting a Sun workstation's serial port to 19.2kb is very close to the most efficient speed possible for both the Sun system and modem, with the Sun patches noted above installed. Without the patches, a built-in serial port speed of 7,200 or 9,600 baud is likely to be the maximum speed for reliable operation before TCP/IP retransmissions and silo overflows occur. Your mileage may vary. If speeds above 19.2kb are required, add-on SBus serial cards are available from various sources that can sustain higher baud rates then the built-in ports. This author has no direct experience with these add-on cards. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 07:34:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 13:34:42 MDT References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i > know old PCLink could do it. ------------- You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and not revealed to applications. Kermit does not play systems stealing games to intercept below the keyboard Bios, nor is there a need to do so. Leave it alone is my advice for you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 23:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Date: 8 Mar 1995 23:23:42 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! What is the syntax for scripting this??? I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p but no luck. Thanks In Advance, racerx From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:21:30 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have to do is: 1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another 2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the machine from (1). 3. download a data set. As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 16:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:17:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just display it on the screen? P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to PRN. Why do I get this screen dump |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 02:44:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Message-Id: <1995Mar10.084413.44252@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:44:12 MDT References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system > version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 > keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS > that require these keys > > TIA - Dale ------------- Please do read the documentation, in this case either the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or even the technical file msvibm.vt. Those DEC keys are all keyboard verbs and you can attach them to keys by name, but they are not preassigned to keys in the shipped product. Use SET KEY to tie \Kverbs to keys, use a query mark (?) for a definition to see all the keyboard verb names on-line. The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, which you may acquire from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for file msvibm.zip as a quick-start bundle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 03:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:22:29 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i know old PCLink could do it. thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:30:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: Linux ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:30:28 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: tstevens@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. Ted Stevens -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:42:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:42:30 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, > Michael J. Mettler wrote: >>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') >> > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), > that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, > no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already > tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be > directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >>the same as mine. Any ideas? >> > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > rate. > > - Frank Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:55:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:55:13 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 20:15:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!huia!dunnmj3 From: dunnmj3@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Dunn Michael J) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploads with Zmodem/kermit Date: 9 Mar 1995 20:15:32 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3jnnl4$6uv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Nntp-Posting-Host: huia.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do you get Zmodem (sz/rz) to upload? I have put the line redirecting std input & output to /dev/modem but I cant get it to work .It just hangs ? Im using a Zyxel u-1496 at home running linux dialing into another unix machine. Could I need something in my .kermrc at the server end? Cheers Mike Dunn From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 15:39:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 12 Mar 1995 08:39:48 -0700 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, when i was composing a letter in pine. does this ring a bell with anyone? any advice? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 03:26:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Mar12.092643.44450@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 95 09:26:43 MDT References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu writes: > Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I > would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via > modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. ----------- Tell one Kermit SERVER. That starts Kermit protocol mode listening on the selected communications channel. Please do have a look at the user's manual (HELP screen two) which has lots of explanations of how things work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 11:22:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!berlioz.crs4.it!usenet From: Francesco Ruggiero Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: unix kermit server timeout Date: 10 Mar 1995 11:22:56 GMT Organization: CRS4, Center for Adv. Studies, Research and Development in Sardinia Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: vol.vol.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). How can I set this ? PS:please CC:ruggiero@vol.it -- Francesco Ruggiero =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 21:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:09:45 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, this happens: I type AT I get ATT or just A Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like ATDDT5551134 Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. No effect. Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. Any ideas? Mail me and post here. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 13:25:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 9 Mar 1995 13:25:19 GMT Organization: none-set Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS that require these keys TIA - Dale From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 23:53:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals Date: 12 Mar 1995 18:53:28 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't help much. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k1js9$c3u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have >to do is: >1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another >2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the > machine from (1). >3. download a data set. >As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to >TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, >then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a >data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. >I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script >that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on >my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? > The docs are the printed manual, "Using C-Kermit", which explain exactly what you need to do, step by step. You need to understand each step, as it applies to your particular connection, before you should even think about writing -- or working from -- a script. Somebody else's script does not know the details of your connection. Do it by hand first, and then automate it afterwards. The manual shows you exactly how to do this. Briefly: 1. Start C-Kermit on the first UNIX machine. 2. Tell it to telnet to the second UNIX machine. 3. Log in to the 2nd UNIX machine and start Kermit there. 4. Tell the remote Kermit program to SEND the desired file. 5. Escape back to the first Kermit (Ctrl-\c) and tell it to RECEIVE. For greater detail, please consult the manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:18:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:18:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3k1k86$cmq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system >version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 >keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS >that require these keys > (a) Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14. (b) Read the VT300.DOC and VT300.INI files, which explain the mappings. (c) Since you will undoubtedly want to change things around (no two people like the same key mappings), read the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", about key mapping. (d) VMS WordPerfect comes with MS-DOS Kermit support files which do their own mappings. If you set up VMS WordPerfect according to instructions, it will take care of everything itself. Also read the section on WordPerfect in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the v3.14 MS-DOS Kermit diskette. There are various version dependencies that you should read about. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:27:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:27:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a >486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem >connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. >Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 >and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, >this happens: >I type AT >I get ATT or just A >Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >ATDDT5551134 >Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >No effect. >Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > Thanks. The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. In this case, the reason that Winsock appears to work and Kermit doesn't is that Winsock only delivers error-corrected (by TCP and IP) data, whereas Kermit -- as a serial communications program -- delivers each byte it receives. Of course, you can also run Kermit over a SLIP driver and invoke its own built-in TCP/IP stack. This would eliminate the appearance of errors, but it would not eliminate the errors themselves. However, performance would be quite poor, not only because of the TCP and IP overhead, but also because of the retransmissions that would be required to overcome the errors. Note that the modem's error correction probably has no relevence here, since the errors are evidently originating from outside the connection between the two modems. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:43:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:43:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3k1lmd$end@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Edward Stevens wrote: > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then: make linux which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Type "help" at the C-Kermit> prompt for further info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:49:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, >but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, >i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others >are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently >after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, >when i was composing a letter in pine. > It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but my first four guesses would be: 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the other end of your modem connection. 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host is UNIX based. 4. Noise. So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3k1mp0$g5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, James M. McClain wrote: >I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe >advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there >would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are >really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and >sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so >we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question >here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. > >My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which >come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't >help much. > While you're at it, why don't you recommend that everybody who uses shareware not pay for it? And that everybody who wants to use commercial software steal it from the computer store? Usually both ends are not needed -- usually one manual suffices. Price: $36.95. Proceeds from manual sales are what pay for the software you are using, just as registration fees pay for the work of shareware authors, and retail prices pay for the work of commercial software producers. We appreciate that you study the manuals and docs before posting a question, but that is not true for everybody. We try to "pre-answer" most questions in the manuals and online help and "beware" files. We are perfectly willing to help with other questions that are not answered in those places -- and more often than not, also with ones that are -- as you will see by following this list for any length of time. And most questions that are posted to this list, and that are sent to our email tech support address, and that are called in on the phone, and that are faxed to us... *are* answered in the published documentation. It is not so much to ask that those who use our software help contribute to its continued existence and growth by abiding by our wishes and purchasing the documentation. For questions not covered there, we are happy to provide tech support. And in so doing, we learn which areas need better coverage in future editions of the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:35:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:35:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k1ool$im7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, wrote: >I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I >would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via >modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. > Covered in Chapters 10 and 11 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Basically, put your home modem in answer mode (usually via ATS0=1), put Kermit in server mode or (more dangerously) in CTTY COMx mode. For further details, please read the manual -- it's all there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:04:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!alex.ecs.umass.edu!langlois From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:04:53 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k1mul$ob6@risky.ecs.umass.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: alex.ecs.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : Ted Stevens : -- : >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< : <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> : >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< : <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> I downloaded version 190 (Oct. 94) from kermit.columbia.edu. One of the subdirectories has 'cku190.tar.gz'. The makefile has a couple of linux options..make linux, make linuxftp, etc. I had to edit the makefile (as it mentions) to make it smaller, and I also had to change 'lncurses' to 'lcurses' (also mentioned). If you want a binary, I think sunsite.unc.edu and its mirrors has version 189 in /pub/Linux/apps/comm or someting like that. Phil Langlois From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:18:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:18:44 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k22a4$sch@news-2.csn.net> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, : Gideon Weisz wrote: : >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet : >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my : >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, LINES DELETED HERE : > : It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but : my first four guesses would be: : 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS : flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully : (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the : other end of your modem connection. : 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and : Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is : sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. : 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host : is UNIX based. : 4. Noise. : So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make : sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does : not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. : - Frank Thanks for the suggestions but none of the four guesses happens to be relevant in this case. and now, a worse problem has occurred, which i will post (see 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix?) meanwhile, i will see if i can get help as you suggested, from kermit@columbia.edu Thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix? Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:20:15 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3k22cv$sch@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu using mskermit 3.14 and its hebrew option, i ran into trouble twice while doing www on lynx (though all was fine for a long time, first). i got funny characters on the screen, suddenly, and they stayed even after the modem hung up. they would go away when i got out of the connect mode, but come back whenever i would connect (until i went all the way to dos, and then kermit started normally again). in the connect screen, i could produce this set of characters by striking the usual keyboard keys, so the ascii numbers associated with lowercase letters (97 and on) were producing the weird screen characters. i could produce the very same characters by using the usual ibm keyboard trick (ascii 97, which is normally a, can be produced by pressing alt, and then hitting 9 and 7 on the numeric keypad before releasing alt, etc). pressing "a" produced a vertical shaded rectangle, with shading lines skewed from upper left to lower right "b" produced a rightward arrow c a vertical two headed arrow (up/down) on an underscore d left arrow e down arrow f degree symbol (little circle, high) g plus or minus sign etcetera i know that some of these are normally control characters meanwhile, uppercase letters were fine the range from ascii 128 on (to 155) seemed fine, i noticed and so was the range from 224 on(to 250), i also happened to notice (these two ranges happen to be particularly relevant to hebrew) THE MAIN TWO QUESTIONS: 1) what's the cause and, more importantly... 2) is there any way within a kermit session to get a fresh start? any advice would be appreciated thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:56:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k2823$9br@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick wrote: >Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from >MS-DOS KERMIT? I assume you mean the MAIL subcommand of MSK, which works like SEND, except that it directs the file to be sent off as e-mail upon reception. The answer is yes. The Kermit distribution includes a file called IKCAUX CMD, which includes sample implementations of some Kermit-CMS utilities, including the KERMAIL EXEC that performs the necessary e-mail functions. Tailor it to your needs and install. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 17:37:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 13 Mar 1995 17:37:08 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. Any ideas? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:40:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!news.trw.com!venice!venice!not-for-mail From: rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com (Ron Orr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary file expansion Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Organization: TRW Data Technologies Division, Carson CA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: venice.sedd.trw.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's an interesting problem: When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed the xfer as going on in binary mode. I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? Any suggestions? -- Ronald N. Orr, TRW SEDD, PO Box 3099, Manhattan Beach CA 90266-1099 voice: (310)764-9138 fax:(310)764-3946, rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 20:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!fonorola!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:20:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k29dn$s9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> |> |> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe |> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there |> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are |> really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and |> sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so |> we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question |> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. |> |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. |> |> Mac My experience with the Kermit books is completely opposite to Mr. McClain's. The original book, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is worth the price for its incredibly clear explanations of serial communications. It was published in 1987 so naturally it is no longer the definitive reference for Kermit. "Using MS-DOS Kermit" can be daunting but the only sections I've found obscure are the Appendices. However, these are mostly tables of escape sequences for the various terminal emulations. This is not information that the average user needs to know. However, I consider it a selling point of the book that the information is there for the technician who would otherwise have great difficulty finding these tables. I also have "Using C-Kermit" but have not read that much of it. I have no doubt that it is well-written, I simply haven't needed to refer to it. So based on my experience I conclude that "both ends" are not needed for the average user. Finally, the comment that the manual is "sometimes just plain wrong" is undoubtedly true. However, I have found *very* few outright mistakes from my reading. Most of the inaccuracies are because the books are static whereas, the programs, fortunately for us, continue to evolve. The recent features are covered well in the supplemental ".upd" and ".bwr" files. My recommendation is that anyone responsible for supporting Kermit should buy all three books. Anyone who is impressed by fine technical writing and wants to understand serial communications should buy the original. And anyone who wants to support the Kermit effort or enjoys exploiting the full potential of the software they use should buy either the MS-DOS or the C-Kermit manuals depending on their platform. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 09:33:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 04:33:45 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank gives us more bemusement: Kermit docs make it quite clear that Kermit is not shareware or that a user is somehow obligated to BUY the Manuals (all three of which are needed for both ends for most sysops at $85). Frank seems to through in this spurious argument just to confuse - just as the docs confuse. It would seem that the real reason to be up tight about the purchase of the Mans is that Frank's salary come from the proceeds, not because they are helpful. Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally incomprehensable. What I suggest is that rather than spend time here trying to defend the kermit docs, why not get someone who can write to rewrite them. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 12:06:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Message-Id: <1995Mar13.180643.44641@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Mar 95 18:06:42 MDT References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: > I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe Gee, and all along I thought drones were *supposed* to be constant. Bagpipes and such. Learn something new every day, thanks. > advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there > would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are > really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and > sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so > we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question > here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. I can't comment incisively (sp?) without knowing the item(s) to which you refer. The books are not what I and many others would describe as daunting or more than obscure etc. They do have a few errors, as all docs do, and times change to obsolete some particular features. Those that do vanish are covered in the .UPD and .BWR files issued with each release. > My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which > come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't > help much. You are welcome to advise, of course, and my advice would be the opposite because the users are better off knowing than not knowing. Also, it saves much wear and tear on the readership (including me) to not have to restate the manuals . You can save me playing back the rtfm recording by giving us a tip that you did dig but came back with no treasure. Thanks and no offence taken, Joe D. > Mac From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 12:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!gdt!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: kryten.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:53:13 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >>I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > >> > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with > >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same > >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). > >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem > >>the same as mine. Any ideas? > >> > > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > > rate. > Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around > 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed > files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a > way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. And for good measure I'm using the Sportster 14400 and I acheive 1600 cps going up to 2000 cps for compressible files. This strikes me as a bit slow - is the compression algorithm used really this feeble - most compression algorithms achieve better than x2 compression on my TeX files. Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:54:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary file expansion Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:54:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k475r$kg8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com>, Ron Orr wrote: >When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) >OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, >a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer >using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed >the xfer as going on in binary mode. > >I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found >none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? > A certain BBS implementation of Kermit is known to have this problem. It does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, and is confused by the new negotiation fields in the new Kermit releases, and goes nuts. You *might* be able to work around the problem by telling one or both Kermit programs to use (say) even parity. Better yet, ask your BBS sysop to use MS-DOS Kermit "Lite" to do its Kermit protocol transfers. That's what it's for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 11:00:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!nntp.msoe.edu!MSOE.Edu!harrold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Message-Id: <1995Mar13.170019@MSOE.Edu> From: harrold@MSOE.Edu (David Harrold) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:00:19 CST References: <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Control: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: 155.92.10.4 Lines: 166 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #! rnews 976 Newsgroups: ott.forsale Path: uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!hookup!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ao015 From: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Subject: For Sale: Senators vs Penguins tickets 03/19/95 Message-ID: Sender: ao015@freenet2.carleton.ca (Mark Kerzner) Reply-To: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 01:18:02 GMT Lines: 16 I have 2 tickets for the Senators-Penguins game on Sunday March 19/95. They are in section 18 blue line) at $28.99 each Reply to either ao015@freenet.carleton.ca or to sensfan@magi.com Kerz. -- ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: * Mark Kerzner * : OTTAWA SENATORS : * "KERZ" * : LOUDEST FAN : ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: #! rnews 7800 Path: uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!donald!david From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) Newsgroups: alt.fan.jen-coolest Subject: A Grimm Fairy Tale Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:05:40 GMT Organization: ORGANIZATION? HERE?? You must be kidding!! Lines: 127 Message-ID: <3k2524$76s@newsflash.concordia.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.concordia.ca Here it is; "A Grimm Fairy Tale", the story of a longtime Jen fan who finally got to meet the Jen for whom afjc was named. My trip started in Cambridge (Boston). Since Jen Yuan was in town the same weekend, I left a phone message for her. My intention was to leave a vague message that only she would understand. Unfortunately, it was so vague that they didn't know it was for her. The fact that I didn't know how to pronounce her name didn't help. Next stop Hoboken NJ. After Jen L. performed the herculean task of finding me a parking space in Hoboken, we went to NYC for a mini Jenvention; 2 Jens and 3 Jen fans, not bad, except I prefer the other way around. :) The 5 were myself, Jen L., Jen L.'s David, Jeff Berg, and Jennifah. (sp) For all but Jennifah, this was a warmup for Mardi Gras. The next day I went back to NYC to Jeff Berg's office. Upon returning to Hoboken I found that I had left something rather important in his office; my list of addresses and phone #'s for all the Jens I was supposed to visit! It doesn't take long to get from Hoboken to NYU when you're desperate. ;) Next stop Philadelphia. It's a nice place for a walking tour, since most of the attractions are close together. I took pictures of Jen Y in her TD outfit; those will be among the very few Jen gifs I make. As far as I can remember at the moment, this was the only place where I actually had any ice cream. I bought a couple of small containers of B&J because I don't think you can get that brand here (in containers); I ate it all myself since Jen Y. was recuperating from some leftover Chinese food. Then Washington, where I learned 3 things in my first 2 hours; - Don't drive west along K street - Don't drive west along H street - Don't drive. I met Jenn Biller, but Jen Hill managed to nimbly avoid me. *pout* The next night I stopped in Kingston TN. No Jens in sight! :( Finally I got to New Orleans. I found Jenn A's house right away, but nobody was home, so I spent a couple of hours looking for them. Most of that time they were there, while I was elsewhere searching. At midnight Jenn and most of the others went out to a bar. I decided I wasn't up to it, so I stayed "home", along with Jenn's friend Jenny T; the best decision I made all weekend, since Jenny T quickly became my new favourite Jen (the first time in 15 years that I've had a favourite). Then at 2AM Jenn's friend Mattie, who I was supposed to stay with, picked me up and took me to a bar for a couple of hours and then to her place. Her boyfriend wasn't too happy; "Let me get this straight. It's 2am, you're going to pick up a guy you've never met, take him to a bar, and then take him home to sleep?" I met him the next day and everything was ok, though he still got her to stay at his place the remaing nights, which worked out fine for everyone. Because everyone spent half the night in bars, and we had a bit of trouble finding each other the next day, the day basically started at 3pm. That's when I met Jen Grimm. Jen Grimm, Ron, Jenny T, Jeff, Mattie, and I started for the infamous French Quarter, but the first 3 on that list ended up stopping for hair braids and tatoos. (No, Jen Grimm didn't get a tatoo.) In the French quarter Mattie, the sexy one in the group (wow!), did her best to collect some beads without showing anything, but the guys were being picky. At one point Jeff thought he was going to have to rescue her from 3 marines. In the evening we saw Rex "open" Mardi Gras. Well, we didn't actually "see" anything from where we were standing, but we were there. Rex asked the mayor to approve a list of rules for Mardi Gras; "No school", "No work", etc; fortunately the Mayor, after due consideration, agreed. Later I had my first seafood "Po-boy", and found that the rumours that someone with my sensitive pallette couldn't eat in Louisiana were unfounded. On our way to the restaurant, Jenny T had Jeff and I on her arms and kept bragging to strangers "I have 2 good-looking intelligent men with me and you don't!". I'm not sure why she said that to the women *and* the men that we passed. Did you ever see 2 more intelligent men in your life? No, I was just going to mention that. Later a parade passed by, and I added to my bead collection; previously I only had what the Jens and the woman doing the hair braiding gave me. That's one of the things I noticed about New Orleans; if you speak to complete strangers, they answer. On Mardi Gras itself, it was pouring rain as time for the parade approached. We made our contributions to the local economy by buying umbrellas. I watched the entire parade, and studied the secrets of getting people to throw beads to me, while some of the others stayed at a party eating crawfish. (Interesting things... no strong taste at all, but you burn your tongue if you lick your fingers afterwards because of the spices in the water that stay on the shell.) That afternoon Jenn, her David, Jen Grimm, Ron, and I went to some sort of Indian wedding. However, Jen, Ron, and I soon left and headed for the French quarter for the afternoon. Now, here's the "fairy tale" part. On the way home, walking in the dark along St. Charles which was almost deserted, I felt a touch on my arm and turned to face Jen Grimm. She took my hand and made a gesture. When I didn't understand, she took my other hand, and before I knew it we were dancing. I can't remember ever dancing in my life before, so my first dance *ever* was under the streetlights on St. Charles with Jen Grimm! Could there be a bigger thrill for a Jen fan? :) After that, anything else would be downhill, so I left the next morning. :) I was heading for St. Louis to visit Nifer, and while checking my map I suddenly realized for the first time that I was passing through Memphis. Normally I notice things like that *before* I start the trip. Naturally I went to Graceland, though by the time I waited overnight for it to open I didn't have time to do anything but buy souvenirs. Then in St. Louis I investigated the important issue that was on my mind: "Why hasn't Nifer posted lately?" It turned out that there was a technical reason, we weren't being snubbed after all. :) I visited a favourite non-Jen in Macomb IL, was stood up by another favourite in PEEoria IL, and then found Jen Fausti in Chicago, she already posted about that. In Toledo I saw Jen Radon, and Jenny T who gave me the beads that I'd forgotten in New Orleans. I decided to make a run for the border, i.e. get home from Toledo in one day. I left at 2 PM, stopped briefly in Guelph to see Jen Robertson, and got home at about 4:30 AM. That's a couple of hours later than I expected, due to a snowstorm; the most dangerous trip of my life. At first traffic was slow, then I tried to make up for lost time by driving 60 MPH on a road that I could barely see. I kept the car pointing where I suspected the road was, and fortunately I was right. Well, that's it. I was on the road for 17 days, but it was worth it; I got to meet Jen Grimm *and* my new personal favourite Jen! :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Gaudine, Programmer, EMC Lab Home: (514)481-0837 Concordia University, Loyola Campus, Montreal Work: (514)848-3118 Rarely speaking for anyone important david@donald.concordia.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 07:23:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 14 Mar 1995 07:23:17 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 16:19:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 14 Mar 1995 16:19:54 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. > >Any ideas? Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: In my ini script I have to use a SET COM4
in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 02:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar14.081139.44687@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 95 08:11:39 MDT References: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as > your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be > all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 Wanna bet? Yes, the app has to dig beneath the Bios, trap keyboard interrupts, and fanagle things to fake a visible key. > systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is > dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. > anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 15 00:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:13:44 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k5bfo$r6q@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (James M. McClain) writes: >Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most >of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are >poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need >this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, >please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally >incomprehensable. Perhaps the problem is with your comprehension and not with the docs????? Just out of curiosity, could you name a manual that you do find satisfactory? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 14:54:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu (Alex Hamlin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing rotation. Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:54:42 GMT Organization: MHRI Lines: 9 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[6196]@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 194.186.med.umich.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.5@194.186.med.umich.edu Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it (MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial a second and a third before returning to the first. -B.S. -- I don't speak for anyone but me and occasionally I don't even get to do that. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 19:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing rotation. Date: 15 Mar 1995 19:03:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3k7dlm$4t3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Alex Hamlin wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with >kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it >(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial >a second and a third before returning to the first. > Make a copy of your dialing script under a different name, such as "mydial.scr". Modify this copy of the dialing script to only dial once, and to set a variable indicating the failure reason. For example, at the top of the dialing script, add: define mystatus and then change the BUSY section from whatever it is now, such as: :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 60 seconds if tries used up. Echo Busy or No Carrier, will dial again in 30 seconds... echo Press any key to cancel... hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. to something like: :BUSY define mystatus BUSY end 1 Then you can dial like this: set modem mydial ; Use special dialing script :LOOP dial 7654321 ; Try first number if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP ; or whatever... dial 8765432 if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP dial 9876543 if fail goto LOOP :OK This is just one of many possible ways to do this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 03:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!vnham From: vnham@socs.uts.edu.au (Vi Nham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem hangup?? Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:12:55 GMT Organization: School of Computing Sciences, UTS Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: linus.socs.uts.edu.au Summary: ZModem hangup while downloading from unix to ms-dos Keywords: Zmodem Problem X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everyone, I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with no success. The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). and I am login at 12000 baud. The problem I have is it hang up after the pc detect it is about to receive a file using zmodem protocol. The pc just wouldn't receive anymore packet from the unix end. I am using " sz -be -vvv test.exe " on the unix side to send the file. -be --> send binary file and escape all control character. -vvv --> capture the debug message to file. Here is the capture debug message found in the unix side. (after the transmission has been abort.) ================================================================== sz 3.18 12-07-91 for V7/BSD mode:1 Countem: 000 test.exe 1105 countem: Total 1 1105 zshhdr: f 4 ZRQINIT 0 Retry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for test.exe Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=2 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 mode:0 ====================================================================== The error seem to complain about the path not found?? Can someone help me with this please? Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? Thanks in advance for any suggestion, Vi From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 06:11:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: <1995Mar15.121124.44888@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 12:11:24 MDT References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU>, vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: > Hi everyone, > > I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > > I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with > no success. ---------- Perhaps you have chosen the wrong News group. This one is about Kermit, not zmodem. While you are here, however, may we recommend you try Kermit on both ends of the link; they work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 14:31:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:38:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit challenge Date: 15 Mar 1995 14:31:51 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 43 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I'm getting the manual, really. Should arrive soon. But I suspect I might have a hard time finding out what the information I want. I'm not even sure if its possible. What I want to do is: 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation 3. hit return (with the script) 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... 5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) 6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. 7. login, password, upload a request file 8. wait, wait, wait 9. escape back and open kermit to receive files 10. cleanly quit and smile. At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" service, and is moy only modem pool connection. Can someone explain how to do the above? How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 01:58:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 07:58:55 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: > >>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. >> >>Any ideas? > > Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: > In my ini script I have to use a > SET COM4
> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this > setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt > from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. > Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all > is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have > to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does > excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this > is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( > > Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. ------------- When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two devices using the same IRQ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 00:27:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:27:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k80l9$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >What I want to do is: > >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Instead of using TELNET, use SET NET TCP, SET HOST This will leave in Command/Script mode >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. > >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 22:19:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 17:19:13 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 16:09:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:09:04 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k73f0$slc@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: |> In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: |> |> >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to |> >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under |> >Windows and the Norton desktop: ... details deleted... |> > |> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: |> In my ini script I have to use a |> SET COM4
|> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this |> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt |> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. |> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all |> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice.... details deleted... I wish I had a solution for you but I don't. At Queen's, the biggest source of frustration with Kermit is its inability to work under Windows. More precisely, it works just dandy for many Windows users but we get a significant number of weird situations like the one Christopher describes. I'm sorry to say that the Beware file has not really helped in these cases. If the Kermit team has any additional hints they would be greatly appreciated. As it stands I often end up giving up and having the user accept that he/she just can't run Kermit under Windows. It is very frustrating for everyone concerned. Particularly since many of these users ask, "But why does program XYZ work with my modem when Kermit can't". I don't have an answer for them. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 23:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:05:19 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3k7rrf$25m@panix.com> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, Mike Smith wrote: > >Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so >we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and >rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more >to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? I believe (and it's only a memory) that Windows can't hack having a COM4 unless it also knows about COM3! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 05:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:57:41 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit and zmodem transfers. I just performed the following little experiment: I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 and the PC dir also gives 5103. BUT Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC dir gives 4999. IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length and kermit did not. Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more definitive experiment. TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 07:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 07:11:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: > >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 >and the PC dir also gives 5103. >BUT >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC >dir gives 4999. > >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length >and kermit did not. Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between different types of systems. When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF combination. Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between two different systems. Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to support VMS specific File types. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 03:51:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!winternet.com!host-31.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:19:38 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: host-31.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) writes: >What I want to do is: >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Don't use telnet here. Use set host {hostname} instead. Then input and output commands work fine. Telnet is an internal macro for set host... and connect. >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. >Can someone explain how to do the above? >How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? >A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 12:31:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:31:15 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:28:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:28:42 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: Zmodem Problem References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: >Hi everyone, > >I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > >I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with >no success. > >The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). >and I am login at 12000 baud. Most ZMODEM programs will not operate over a 7-bit link. Either you must use ZMODEM-90(Tm) or choose another protocol such as Kermit. However, unless you download mostly text files you will not be happy with the throughput over a 7-bit link. Even ZMODEM-90 PACK-7 mode is about 20% slower on compressed files than an 8 bit link would allow. So you might investigate running the link at 8 bits. In many cases the fact that you log in at 7e1 does not mean you are constrained to a 7-bit link. You may simply have a poor ZMODEM on your DOS machine. Try ZCOMM and see what happens. The ZCOMM files are available on Compuserve SCOFORUM, UNIXFORUM, IBMCOM, Genie IBM PC RT, TeleGodzilla 503-621-3746, or ftp Oak.oakland.edu: pub/msdos/zmodem: zcommdoc.zip zcommexe.zip zcommhlp.zip The newest FTP site is ftp.cs.pdx.edu (131.252.20.12). The pub/zmodem directory contains the largest and most up-to-date collection of RZ/SZ, DSZ, GSZ, ZCOMM and Professional-YAM files of any FTP site. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:56:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Date: 16 Mar 1995 13:56:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3k9g21$o90@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Holmes wrote: >I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup >PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem >to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? > The VT220 does not have an END key. Maybe you are confusing the VT220 with a PC running software (like MS-DOS Kermit) to emulate a VT220? If so, then maybe you mean the function that makes a rolled-back screen go back down to the bottom? If so, the answer is no. Rollback in Mac Kermit is accomplished with the mouse and scrollbar. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:22:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:22:08 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christoph Gartmann (gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) wrote: : Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: : In my ini script I have to use a : SET COM4
: in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this : setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt : from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. : Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all : is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have : to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does : excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this : is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Even if this works, I expect to return to DOS most of the time. MSK runs perfectly at 57.6 kbps under DOS, but it loses characters under Windows unless I slow it down. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 01:20:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 07:20:09 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides > |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows > |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and > |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. > > This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication > with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit > until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not > Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so > we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and > rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more > to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? ------------ Fellas, this is a Windows configuration problem. Mr. Gates & Co make lots of money selling Windows, and rumors have it that they even offer Tech Support for the product. For those unable to wait and wait on the T.S. phone line there is always the alternative of using Windows to configure the serial port to match the hardware. The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood (COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:30:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:30:46 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vi Nham (vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote: : Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with : 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? As I read the docs, yes. Kermit is the only standard protocol that runs over 7-bit links. However, some connections switch to 8-bit automatically when you need it. You don't mention running zmodem on your ms-dos machine. You aren't expecting MS-Kermit to receive the zmodem download, are you? (I'll omit the obvious question of why use zmodem when Kermit is already running.) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:39:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:39:43 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brian D. Schieber (schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote: : What I want to do is: : 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation : 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation : 3. hit return (with the script) : 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... : At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. : I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit : session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" As a non-wizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "disconnected from my kermit session." What message do you get? Are you sure the network variables are correct for telnetting? Does it work when you type in the commands instead of running the script? -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 15:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 08:08:23 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>I get ATT or just A >>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>ATDDT5551134 >>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>No effect. >>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. >The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was supposed to be echoed back. From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). >On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting duplicated or garbled up. Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean that there is something WRONG with the UART? -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 16:31:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:31:43 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chris Holmes (chrish@westminster.ac.uk) wrote: : I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup : PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem : to get a key to work as END. : Any suggestions? Forgot to say, its Mac Kermit 189. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 23:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 23:48:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kaioi$bgc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >... >Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 >(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the >computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added >that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems >at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all >running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > >Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART >on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to >do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that >will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean >that there is something WRONG with the UART? > Anything is possible. There are a lot of supposedly buffered UARTs that don't buffer at all (much discussion of this in comp.dcom.modems, q.v.). But you didn't say whether Kermit works now that you upgraded your system and SYSTEM.INI. Windows hides the actual UART from the application, and presents it with a "virtual" (simulated) UART. Kermit gets to see whatever Windows lets it see. Type SHOW COMM in Kermit, and see if reports FIFO (buffering) capability for the port. If not, then Windows is hiding the UART's 16550nes from Kermit. The second question is: Does Kermit work well under plain DOS, no Windows loaded? If Kermit works well under DOS but not under Windows, then you'll have to start digging through you Windows configuration files in even greater detail than you have already. Even then, it is unlikely to work as well or as fast, since, under Windows, everthing -- screen writes, port i/o in particular -- is virtualized and simulated and thus carries a of overhead. I.e. Kermit doesn't have the whole computer to itself, as it does in DOS. Kind of like the difference between driving on a wide-open deserted highway and the Long Island Expressway at rush hour... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 22:25:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 16 Mar 1995 17:25:40 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kadt5$t03@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: edit \windows\system.ini Search for the [386Enh] section Add the following line COM3IRQ=-1 I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. So in my case, the file looked like this: COM3IRQ=-1 COM4Base=02E8 COM4IRQ=5 Note that I could have added all three lines with EDIT and avoided the Control Panels...Ports interface. One final observation: Joe is right that this is a Windows configuration problem, not a Kermit configuration problem. But I suspect that several users at my University are badmouthing Kermit because of this Windows problem. I think a few lines should be added to kermit.bwr alerting others of this Windows snafu. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 21:05:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Re: Linux ? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:05:26 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > >Ted Stevens > >-- You can get it at the same place where it is available for other systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 00:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 17 Mar 1995 00:35:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kalgd$7eb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Green (jmgreen@pilot.njin.net) wrote: : I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit : and zmodem transfers. Two things that I have noticed in changing file sizes, and I can't remember which protocol was involved (Kermit or ZModem). If you transfer a file from UNIX to MSDOS, and transfer in the "text" mode, the output will be padded by some number of CRLF in place of LF in the original file, whether _you_ think the original was binary or not. On UNIX: wc /bin/ls 96 440 13352 /bin/ls After transferring in a "text" mode, ls would grow to 13448, because there appear to be 96 lines in it. It also wouldn't work any more ;-( The other oddity that I have seen is a padding to modulo 512. I think that it was ZModem that was doing this. This would leave ls as 13824. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 11:24:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: <1995Mar16.172407.45066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 17:24:07 MDT References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit > and zmodem transfers. > > I just performed the following little experiment: > > I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX > I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS > I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix > Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 > and the PC dir also gives 5103. > BUT > Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC > dir gives 4999. > > IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length > and kermit did not. > > Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more > definitive experiment. > > TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu ------------- Most likely you got involved with binary versus text mode transfers. If the file were really text then each of the transfer steps should have used text as it's "mode." Text mode is stored differently on every machine so file size is strictly a local value. But if some steps used binary mode then raw bytes come across the wire and the "record boundaries/end of line indicators" may/will be all wrong. For example, Unix uses LF as eol indicators, DOS uses CR/LF, VMS typically implies CR/LF for text, and so on. It's up to you to choose the mode since there is no certain way of distinguishing pure text from data of some kind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 01:36:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 17 Mar 1995 01:36:56 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3kap3o$i1l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James M. McClain says: |If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - |totally incomprehensable. That's an understatement--he must've gone to school somewhere to write as obtusely (and narcissticly) as he does. Yeechang "Loyal Kermit user, and not just because I work for AcIS" Lee -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee |Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 05:26:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <2594@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 17 Mar 95 05:26:42 GMT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: | > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: | > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily | > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver | > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if | > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). | > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and | > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. | > | > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained | > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under | > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for | > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast | > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works | > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works | > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. | > | > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? | > | > Thanking you in advance | > | > Peter | > | > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email | > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. | > -- | > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de | > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 | > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 | > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY | --------------- | All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be | since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local | wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect | duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and | they can't really avoid doing so. The original poster is not asking that ARPs not be used. He is asking that applications not foolishly assume that they will never see their own broadcasts. Or at least that the resulting erroneous message not be fatal. | The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that | simple. The local echoing is not stupid at all. There has long been confusion about whether clients of various network interface standards will see their own transmissions. In some cases no loopback occurs and in others unicast packets are looped while broadcast packets are not. The choice is often left to the indivudual hardware driver. NDIS3 resolves the issue once and for all by declaring that a client will see any packet that it transmits if that packet is acceptable to the current filter. In other words, the fact that you sent the packet will not influence whether you receive it. Unfortunately, programs like kermit don't even bother to check the hardware source address of received packets before complaining that someone has stolen their IP address. (Now that *is* a bit stupid.) But fear not. To accommodate programs that insist on such silly assumptions, the latest version of ndis3pkt has an option (enabled by default) to hide a program's own broadcasts from itself. This should restore peace to the post-3.14 kermit world... Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:20:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:20:00 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kbk80$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides >a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows >applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and >then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Please note that I wrote: >>>Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, >>>too. Thus, I did configure COM4 under windows! That's why I can use COM4 together with the MS terminal program shipped allong with Windows (VT52 & VT100). > Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set >regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two >devices using the same IRQ. Under Windows there doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem, the same under DOS. And under DOS started from within Windows there is one but only the first time I call Kermit. Exiting Kermit and just entering Kermit again makes the "IRQ-problem" disappear... Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:29:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:29:12 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>,<1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic to me... Hoping for some insight Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:26:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:26:14 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit the way that C-Kermit does? I would like to implement the 'pcsend' and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros, but so far haven't figured out if this is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:33:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:33:26 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45v6$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. I have to say that I find the manuals to be both clearly-written and helpful with regard to learning Kermit. The "Using C-Kermit" book in particular has lots of good information which would be difficult to find elsewhere. "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is somewhat out of date by now, but I still found it to be a useful reference as well as a good introduction to data communications programming concepts. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 12:28:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com (Theo CHINO) Subject: The Cyberspace Homeless Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: Cyberspace & humans being Hello Cyberspace, Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:28:02 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As I was browing the net today, I came to the conclusion that I should put these disclaimers. 1) This is not a scam. 2) I am not going to repost this again. 3) This is really a true story. 4) My real name is Theo CHINO This morning I tried to send this message. I failed. I got reminded by the people at Netcom that requesting money in the Internet was not allowed. Is that not against the principle of free enterprise? Let put it that way, I am selling a service which is "nothing" for the price of a dollar and a stamp. My name is Theo Chino, and I have a story to tell. My story is at http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo. I didn't want to put it on the Net, but desperation made me do so . My problem is that I am going insane for something I did several years ago. I am in trouble. I have a stack of bill that I can not pay. I have no job. My profession doesn't believe in me. So I became a homeless bump on information Superhiway. In a sense, I am proud to be a homeless on the Internet. I might be raising some issues. Because this message will be posted in most of the groups, I ask you, I beg you, Moderator, to let this message on your newsgroup. I am asking you to be open, a let me do this request for help. You might want to insult me because I am disturbing the peace and tranquillity of the place, but this is not intended as a flame. If you want to insult me, please email me. If you want to help, please email me. If you have a question, please email me. Today, I just got one of my phone line cut because I did not pay a deposit. Next week I will get my Internet account pull out, and so on. You might ask why I can not get a regular job and pay my bills like everyone else. The only jobs I can hold is as a clerk making $7.00/hr. I hold no diploma because I couldn't finish the University. I can not work in the computer field because one of my reference decided that I wasn't good enough. So he burn me in this town. I can not start any idea because nobody will ever give me a loan. I can not get food stamps because I do not work at a regular job. What I know is that I don't want to be a store clerk all my life. A I ask I for a little compassion and a dollar 34 to allow me to get back on my tracks. Thanks for letting me expressing my views. The Cyberspace Homeless. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * | Theo CHINO * | 814 Ivy Street - Box 593, Anchorage, AK 99501 * | theo@netcom.com theo@mail.nlis.com * * | http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo * * | 'A POOR lost exiled french in the Last Frontier' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 14:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:16:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >the way that C-Kermit does? > The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. >I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... > Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was the "old way", which no longer works. See the KERMIT.BWR file for details. The new way is to send actual Kermit commands embedded in APC escape sequences. >...but so far haven't figured out if this >is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem >to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and >Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. > Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 02:36:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar17.083617.45115@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 08:36:17 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>>I get ATT or just A >>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>>ATDDT5551134 >>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>>No effect. >>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > >>The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >>or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. > > I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the > missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. > I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was > supposed to be echoed back. > > From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the > cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). > >>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. > > I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had > PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows > I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the > data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting > duplicated or garbled up. > > Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 > (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the > computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added > that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems > at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all > running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > > Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART > on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to > do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that > will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean > that there is something WRONG with the UART? ------- Doran, From all you've told us I draw the conclusion that your motherboard's UART is broken. If it really does 16550A emulation then Kermit and Windows would use it with no problem. But if it pretends to be a 16550A but fails to operate correctly then both programs will get caught; this appears to by the case at hand. My suggestion is insert a regular serial board in the machine to double check that it will work fine. Also don't overtune the hardware and thus cause system bus problems. FIFO control is done by each application program needing the serial port; there is no supplementary driver nor TSR etc that will or even could help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 16:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!mitel!usenet From: colin_howell@mitel.com (Colin Howell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question....Is kermit freeware??? Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:26:09 GMT Organization: Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3kcd71$g6r@mitel.mitel.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: apps_sw.mitel.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help? I dare say this is a FAQ so I appologise in advance. After talking with several people I still don't have a definitive answer. I am looking for a copy of Kermit or the source that can be compiled to run on a unix platform running Interactive 4.0 / 4.1. I would like to distribute this free with an application to enable me to carry out remote maintenance. It may be that there are several versions of kermit some of which are freeware I really don't know, if someone can answer this question and possibly point me in the right direction with an ftp address I would be most grateful. Thanks for your time Colin -- ========================================================================== Colin "B" Howell | Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) +44 1753 816300 | Applications Support Group | Email: Colin_Howell@Mitel.Com | ====My Thoughts, Opinions And Views Are Entirely My Own....Honest!==== From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 20:43:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:43:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, >Randy D Anderson wrote: >>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >>the way that C-Kermit does? >> >The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. > >>I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... >> >Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was >the "old way", which no longer works. In fact, the CMS Kermit distribution includes a file of sample EXEC's called ikcaux.cmd -- this contains, among other things, an obsolete version of a PC EXEC, using TERMINALS, that incorporates both SEND and GET functions. The only reason it hasn't been upgraded is that no one has complained yet. >Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, >files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to >use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. ... or use EXEC 2 if you prefer. Both have mechanisms for invoking Kermit subcommands directly. John From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:00:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:00:10 GMT Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Netcom news admin request this cancel From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 00:00:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!lionel.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 00:00:02 GMT Organization: Sungard Financial Systems Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of MS-DOS Kermit. I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original log file. Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; sometimes it does not. Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the program more consistently. Any ideas on why we're seeing such flaky results? Any suggestions? Thanks!! marci -- -- marcik * "No one can take this away from me The martyrs and madmen I learned of in school Will remember my name" -- Kevin Gilbert * From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 18 01:33:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM4 Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:33:10 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to get help for several months, but it has not been forthcomming. Private correspondence with JRD and a carefull reading of the .BWR file seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (ie a UART), if there is BIOS assigns the logical name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and like wise if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8. The docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART at 03e8, but there is at 02e8, thern BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is this what they say??? Do you believe it??? Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the manuals??? Best wishes ....... Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:20:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 21:20:18 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. > > Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial > card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to > configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran > the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), > only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt > and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it > again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic > to me... ---------------- The insight has already been written up in the MSK release docs. But one more time, the bare essentials of the problem. COMx is a logical name used for convenience and means the x'th serial port. It does NOT mean a particular port and IRQ value. The Bios looks for serial ports at \03f8 and \02f8 and if found fills in those port addresses to a table. First found first filled in. The four table entries available represent COM1...COM4. Only a few BIOS' search beyond these two addresses, hence COM3 and COM4 table slots are empty. A number of modem comms programs provide a table of COMx selections together with port and IRQ numbers. Associations like this are strictly up to the author of the program, and now you know why. What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. Very very few programs can deduce IRQ usage. MSD and friends do not, and all they show are the "common" usages with no testing to check. MS-DOS Kermit can deduce, but restricts itself to IRQ 4 and 3 only to preserve the safety of your machine. No two boards may share an IRQ; only one device per IRQ even if the device is "unused." From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers cut looking at all the boards in detail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:22:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:22:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kf1be$s4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of >MS-DOS Kermit. > I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. >After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script >which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the >output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then >transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command >line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original >log file. > Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program >which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output >makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; >sometimes it does not. > Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit >transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows >down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the >program more consistently. > Merci for the report, Marci. The problem is that the TRANSMIT command also reads stuff back, searching for echos, linefeeds, prompts, and suchlike, and is therefore likely to absorb the thing you are looking for before you get a chance to see it. Instead of using TRANSMIT, you should simply OUTPUT the line. OUTPUT sends stuff without reading anything back. The INPUT and OUTPUT commands are specifically designed for synchronized interactions like this. - Frank O'Cruz (one day late for St. Patricks day...) x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...about problems using COM4... >Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs >before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the >manuals??? > Jim is frustrated by the exact same thing that is frustrating countless people all over the world: the junky architecture of the PC and its add-ons. He is dissatisfied with our documentation on the subject, particularly the KERMIT.BWR file section on COM3/COM4 and internal modems. I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We all know it's way up in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Are PCs really making us more productive? It's an interesting question, a topic for some other newsgroup, but personally, I doubt it. If PCs are supposed to be for ordinary people, then how on earth do we expect ordinary people to content with address and interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, buggy internal modems, memory management, and all the rest? I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to PCs, yet it took me over a month to get my IBM PS/VP working with Ethernet board, CD-ROM drive, and one (not two) COM ports. Forget about sound boards, internal modems, serial mice, joysticks, ... We do our best to figure out this mess and explain it to people, and I believe we have done more and better than most. If anybody has additional information or other suggestions about this sort of thing, feel free to contribute. For example, the item from Mike Smith the other day, showing how to tell Windows that you had no COM3 even though you did have a COM4 was extremely helpful, and we have added it to the KERMIT.BWR file. The BWR file is dense, I know. Eventually it will be "humanized" and folded into a new edition of the book. People would like to look in the BWR file and find step-by-step procedure to solve their own particular problem. Unfortunately that is not possible because there is an infinite number of such problems, so you'll have to learn the underlying principles and problems and then apply that knowledge to the problem at hand. That's what we have tried to do. All suggestions for improvement are welcome. Jim, hang in there. It's not easy, it's frustrating, but it CAN be done. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 18:56:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 18:56:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3kfadf$atf@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody : was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time : and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We And the false trails followed after a "diagnostic", like MSD, tells a user that certain things are true. With regards to IRQ, the MSD.EXE might as well be hypertext, it doesn't know much, if anything, about the hardware, especially if MSD is invoked from a DOS shell under Windows. The "first found, first used" algorithm works well, making a modem strapped for COM4 usable in a PC that has one or two existing comm ports. Blind Luck, and the best that a modem manufacturer can do. The "unused" IRQ for the other COM2 seems to live quietly, running a different terminal emulator, not simultaneous with Kermit. I don't trust the setup, but the user involved is happy. In order to get PCPlus^H^H^H^H^H another comm program to use Com4, he has to run MSKermit first ;-). Actually, I scarfed some comms utility from somewhere that pokes the BIOS for him, but MSKermit worked, although it whined a little about the address/IRQ being requested, on first execution. When users tell me that MSKermit won't work with XXX, but the amazing, wonderful, whats-its-name package will, I suggest to them that they are running on borrowed time, and please don't process any financial data ;-) Later you find that it "works fine", except for the occasional lockup. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 12:39:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!box!fel From: fel@eunet.be (Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 12:39:36 GMT Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.Belgium.EU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: box.eunet.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. Can someone help? I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UP version 9.0 This is my .kermrc file: set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 19200 set file type binary set parity none set block-check 1 set duplex full set flow-control none set modem-dialer hayes log session kermitlog connect Afterwards I type ATDT plus the phone number. I get a normal CONNECT 19200 message but afterwards nothing happens. I can't type any signs (the cursor doesn't move) and I don't see any characters from the remote computer. With a PC I have no problems in communicating using the settings 8N1. With the HP computer, but using the communication program "cu" there are no problems either... Does anyone have an idea? -- =========================================================================== Flandra Esperanto-Ligo, eldonanto de Monato, internacia magazino sendependa internacia libroservo (retaj mendoj akceptataj) - eldonejo Frankrijklei 140, B-2000 Antwerpen, Belgio Internet: fel@eunet.be - CompuServe 100272,1601 =========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:00:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:00:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3khnut$s00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net>, Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw wrote: >I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. >I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UX version 9.0... >This is my .kermrc file...: > I have the EXACT SAME configuration here and it works perfectly. You are probably running the ancient version of C-Kermit that HP distributed with HP-UX 9.0. My suggestion: get the current release of C-Kermit, which knows a LOT more about HP-UX than the old one did: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make hpux90 (restricted bundled compiler) or: make hpux90o700 (unbundled optimizing compiler) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. If you have any trouble with the new version, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:17:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 15:17:46 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank, thank you for your kind sympathy expressed in you response to my recent post re COM4........but you didn't answer the question: A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 (where COM2 would normally be found. The Kermit docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Is this true?????????????? If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal with this eventuality????????????? Sorry for the double spacing --- I hate emacs!!! Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 20:53:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3ki5kc$cls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...but you didn't answer the question: > >A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private >correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: > >When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if >there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, >BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then >looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, >it assigns the logical name COM2. > Yes, but... we're talking about the IBM BIOS, and since the early 80s, every PC clone maker has had to "reverse engineer" the IBM BIOS, so there can be no guarantees that every single one of them does it exactly the same way. >However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at >02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 >(where COM2 would normally be found. > Yes, that's what we say in KERMIT.BWR, verified by reality checks on real hardware -- but obviously we have not checked every PC clone that has ever been made. >The Kermit docs >further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other >serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then >BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead >of COM4. Is this true?????????????? > No. Most BIOS's do not go beyond COM2. The IBM PS/2 BIOS was an exception, but the poor PS/2 is now "discredited" because (I venture to say) the quality was too high, the design was too good. (OK, OK, there were some marketing and price issues...) >If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal >with this eventuality????????????? > They simply use hardwired addresses and IRQs for COM1-4, and forge ahead. Sometimes they provide a menu that lets you change these items, sometimes not. As we try real hard to point out, this is not necessarily a good approach, because if the hardwired default address and IRQ are not good guesses, and in fact belong to some other device, all sorts of terrible things could happen. And please remember that ALL ports above COM2 are, by definition, configured in a nonstandard way BECAUSE (outside of the PS/2) THERE IS NO STANDARD. Kermit software will err on the side of safety, so sometimes you have to do a little bit of extra work to make it use COM3 and COM4. However, we do try to be nice -- we assume the most widely used addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4 (and we even take into account whether the machine is a PS/2 or not), but we TEST THEM FIRST to make sure we really have UARTs there. The test is a safe (nondestructive) test, and if it fails there is definitely something amiss -- or at least *different* -- in your PC configuration, and then you have to figure out what's wrong and fix it. All the things we talk about in the KERMIT.BWR file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 23:15:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!isiew From: isiew@lis.pitt.edu (Ivan Siew) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:15:57 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.lis.pitt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only holds the assembly version. Thanks -- ------------------------------- - Ivan Siew isiew@lis.pitt.edu http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:22:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:22:50 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: jzero@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, | Jim Green wrote: | > | >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX | >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS | >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix | >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 | >and the PC dir also gives 5103. | >BUT | >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC | >dir gives 4999. | > | >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length | >and kermit did not. | Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently | file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between | different types of systems. | When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode | therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF | combination. | Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you | might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between | two different systems. | Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to | support VMS specific File types. On a related note, does anyone know why when using sz from unix and then using sz from dos on the same binary file, one gets two different file sizes ?? For example, if I sz a zipped file onto unix, unzip works fine. But if I copy that file to dos, pkunzip freaks out saying the file is corrupted. So I have to sz the file directly into dos using the dos version of sz. Then of course pkunzip works fine after I download the file. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 02:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!phoenix.net!pana From: pana@phoenix.net (Chuck Witbeck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: connect 28800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 00:20:42 Organization: Phoenix Data Systems Lines: 5 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.3.234.81 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a USR Sportster 28.8. When I use connect I get a good connection. When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 07:51:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:24 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.infosystems.www.users,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Browser For Online Documentation Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:51:49 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.hypertext:7993 comp.infosystems.www.users:21445 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2298 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Posted to alt.hypertext, comp.infosystems.www.users, and comp.protocols.kermit.misc.] I want to create online documentation of processes that are run interactively from the MS-DOS prompt for the benefit of the users who run them. I want this documentation to be readily available and easily summoned, much like a UNIX man page. But unlike a man page, I'd like this documentation to be non-linear and intuitive (i.e., hypertext). Because I'm currently learning HTML, and because the World Wide Web is the preeminent hypertext application, it makes sense to use a Web browser for the purpose I've just described. Is there a simple Web browser for MS-DOS that I could use as a hypertext reader? Ideally, this is what I would do: o Compile Lynx for MS-DOS. Not DOSLYNX, which is a TurboVision- based clone, but the "real" UNIX/VMS Lynx browser (which I presume uses curses), with "vi keys", etc. o Use a good VT-series terminal emulator like MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 as the "interface" (if that's what one would call it). o Seamlessly integrate the two utilities and automate the process of invoking them simultaneously. o Create my online help as HTML documents, accessible from a local "home page" on our NetWare file server. Well, do you see where I'm coming from? Am I pipe dreaming? Is any of this even remotely possible? If not, can you suggest a solution that IS possible? Any hints or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 11:21:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Thanks for the help... Date: 20 Mar 1995 03:21:25 -0800 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kjofl$4tq@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Summary: Much appreciated. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A few weeks back I posted to this forum regarding an attempt to connect TO a U**X system FROM an IBM mainframe. Although this wasn't a case where a Kermit flavor existed to solve the problem (so far as I can tell), I received many helpful responses via email and this group. With the help of these combined insights, I was able to point someone in the direction of a utility which, I am told, has made connection possible. I didn't get around to replying to these responders before other projects got away with my time. So to one and all... Thanks! I was pleased, but not surprised, by the response I got to the question I posted; this forum exemplifies how a community can develop on the Net to support an idea or issue -- or high-quality software. To me the idea of Kermit "itself" is inseparable from the support infrastructure -- the books on one hand, the active Kermit community on the other. I don't know of any other software which thrives on such a synergy of users, developers &c., except possibly such grass-roots platforms as Linux &c. Well, I'm wasting bandwidth. But I thought some positive feedback couldn't hurt. Keep up the good work people! -- Mail: Web: -- Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. -- Edward Gibbon, 1776 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 13:46:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:46:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3kk0v7$qtb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Ivan Siew wrote: >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. > No. Strange though it may seem, MS-DOS Kermit is written mostly in assembler. There is no MS-DOS Kermit written in C. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 14:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: connect 28800 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3kk1sg$sbv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Witbeck wrote: >I have a USR Sportster 28.8. >When I use connect I get a good connection. >When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds > to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? > This is such a Frequently Asked Question that it is time to add it to our FAQ, ftp:/kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. (15) WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32BIS (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)" Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit". To recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400, that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful connection, and change their interface speed to match. Thus, the communication software would also have to change its own interface speed, or else the user would see only garbage. Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the modulation speed. The interface speed can be kept constant even though the modulation speed changes. Or not, depending on how the modem is configured. Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800" (or whatever) message. By default, for compatibility with the huge installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes its interface speed according to the CONNECT message. So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to change its interface speed by giving it the command: SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as 14400 and 28800. Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or 28800). But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked. You would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change speed" message. See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 15:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: survey Message-Id: <1995Mar20.112959.36035@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 20 Mar 95 11:29:57 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 115 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@moon.sba.dal.ca Sat Mar 18 22:01:58 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:48:56 AST From: OLIVIA TSANG To: ctsang@is.dal.ca Subject: survey From: MOON::CTSANG "OLIVIA TSANG" 18-MAR-1995 21:45:47.72 To: CTSANG CC: Subj: survey QUESTIONNAIRE - COMPUTER AND ENTERTAINMENT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi all internet users! My name is Olivia. I am doing a study on how people use computers to entertain themselves. I would like to know how do you use computer to (e.g. play computer games) entertain yourself. How so these computer entertainment activities affect you both positively and negatively? Please note also: *Questionaire answers will be kept confidentically; * This questionaire will be posted for 8 days so please be sure to send me the answers before March 26, 1995. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FILLING OUT THIS QUESTIONAIRE. YOUR ANSWERS ARE IMPORTANT TO MY STUDY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check the appropriate box and fill in the appropriate answer: (1) Are you [] Female []Male (2) WHat is your age? [] Below 14 [] 14-18 []19-24 [] 25-35 [] 36-50 [] Over 50 (3) Are you a student? []Yes Please specify your level of education and the program you are in. []Secondary school Grade: ___________ [] Post-secondary Program: ___________________________ (e.g. Bachelor of Commerce) []Post-graduate Program: ________________________________ (e.g. MBA) []Other ____________________________________ []No (4) What is your present job status? []Contract employment Job title: _________________________ []Full-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Part-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Unemployed (5) Do you own a computer at home? []Yes []No (6) Do you have to use computer at work? []Yes Approximately how many hours per week? _____________________ []No (7) Do you use computer for entertainment purpose(s) (e.g. games, music, movie, etc.)? []Yes Please list computer entertainment activities you do and the length of time you spend on each activity: Entertainment activities Hours spent on activity each week a. ______________________________________ __________________ b. ______________________________________ __________________ c. ______________________________________ __________________ (8) Do the above computer activities help you to relax? []Yes []No (9) What is(are) the effect(s), both good and bad, of the above computer activity(s) on you? (e.g. playing computer games help me to release my frustrations but I may spend too much time on playing games) Good effects: ___________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Bad effects: ____________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ (10) Do you think that computer is a good channel for entertainment? []Yes Please explain: _________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ []No (11) Do you have any comment on "Computer and Entertainment"? ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CO-OPERATION :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 19:11:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:11:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kkk0b$9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There's a bit of latency confusing this discussion, but since Jim asked me some direct questions, I think I should respond. Briefly, ... In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: |> Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like |> to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to |> |> ... stuff deleted ... |> |> Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is |> this what they say??? Do you believe it??? I have said that the docs are clear and I admire the Kermit books. I have read the KERMIT.BWR file several times. As Frank observed, parts of this file are "dense". I learned a lot reading the section explaining COM ports and IRQs but not enough to solve my particular problem with COM4 and Kermit under Windows. The solution to my COM4 problem depended on a Windows configuration detail not included in the beware file. Frank has since posted that KERMIT.BWR will be updated to include that information. I think this further confirms my faith in the documentation. Thanks Frank. |> |> Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs |> before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the |> manuals??? |> I own "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit". I have read, but do not own, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol". It was that book which convinced me to recommend Columbia's Kermit as the basic comm program for Queen's University. We started a new Internet service for students last September and there are now approximately 10,000 registered users. Not everyone uses Kermit to connect to this service but thousands do. I could not support them without Columbia's excellent books and the help I've received from Frank, Joe, and others in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 17:30:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!agwing From: agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.rsts Subject: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 20 Mar 1995 17:30:11 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2304 comp.os.rsts:403 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for another app which works fine. systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank file on the PC. I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in text mode OK. I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets which I already disabled. What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in text mode? TIA! -- Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. "Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice" Andy Wing Temple U. Computer Services agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:32:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 20 Mar 1995 16:32:25 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kkamp$qsd@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: ... > What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them >with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. I did this and that's why Kermit works under DOS and works under DOS within Windows if I invoke it twice. ... > From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must >be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers >cut looking at all the boards in detail. No, after all mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) gave the right hint: > Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. > To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows > to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... > Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had > to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: > > edit \windows\system.ini > Search for the [386Enh] section > Add the following line > COM3IRQ=-1 > > I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. > So in my case, the file looked like this: > > COM3IRQ=-1 > COM4Base=02E8 > COM4IRQ=5 Since I did this everything is working fine from within Windows. By the way: I am using IRQ 7, so no need to stick with IRQ 5 as mentioned by a previous poster. And it is definitevly a good idea to include this topic into the BWR file! Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 18:47:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury!saur From: saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:47:25 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 50 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed since 5A(188) The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know if it has been fixed. NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" routine in the "ckutio" module. if (!isatty(0)) return(0); Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not called from a tty. OK sounds lagit, BUT ... When kermit is called from a popen from another software package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" never gets executed. An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and then specify the following, everything works perfectly until kermit returns. | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's CBREAK mode has been reset. Has this been fixed? I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support mail box. --- _________________________________________ ._______. ___\___ | __ / _______________________________________ \ | \ | / | _\___/_ \____ || Saurian: saur@mercury.interpath.net || |---+---| .---. ___| || ................................... || ___|___ |___| | __ || EXODUS 4:1-5 NUMBERS 21:4-9 || | |___| | __ || EXODUS 7:8-13 PSALMS 104:24-28 || ------- | | | ||_______________________________________|| / | | \ | \| \___ \___| Finger me for my PGP public key |___/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 08:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Message-Id: <1995Mar20.144359.88114@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 20 Mar 95 14:43:59 CST References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [snip] Is it *absolutely* necessary for you to use com4? I've only 3 ports, so I moved my mouse to com2 (required switching my 25-pin and 9-pin plugs around) so that I could use com3 without problems. Later, when I switched my modem irq from 4 to 5, I continued to not have problems. You do need to place some pertinent information in your mscustom.ini file. set com3 \x3e8 5 set port com3 That should do it for you. If you feel compelled to use com4 (and don't have a com3), replace the com3s with com4s in the above. Somebody else posted a way to lie to Windows about the presence of a com3 when one is not available, but I don't remember which post it was. This isn't rocket science, people. I'd much rather configure Kermit than Trumpet Winsock. Sorry about the snotty tone, but I'm more than a little tired of hearing some of the whining that goes on in this group. Joe, Frank, Christine, & Co. work their butts off to give us the finest communications software available--please try to be a little more understanding when they ask to be paid for their efforts. Where else can you get an integrated terminal emulation and file transfer protocol that handles so many character sets and yet is so incredibly robust, that has no artificial limits imposed on the ftp-able copy, that comes bundled with documentation, and has its own newsgroup dedicated to supporting its users, all without costing you a penny unless you find that you NEED the full documentation? C'mon, guys--there ain't no free lunch. Download Kermit. Use it. If you find that it is the best thing since sliced bread (and it is), order the documentation. $40 is cheap for something that works so well. Bye, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 02:09:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!aklinson From: aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 02:09:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu am using ckermit 189 for Linux. I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr expect { "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 "term=" goto setterm "aaaa" goto a-a . . nad so on... } ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input Ak Thanks in Advance From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!aklinson From: aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) Subject: Re: Linux ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:56:49 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: : In article : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: : : > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : > : >Ted Stevens : > : >-- : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. : : -Curtiss or get a binary version of 189 at sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz -- Arnatt Klinsong aklinson@ripco.com Home Page - http://ripco.com:8080/~aklinson/aklinson.html ATSIST Page - http://www.nectec.or.th/bureaux/atsist/index.html __ _ , _ / ) _/_ _/_ ' ) / // /--/ __ ____ __. / / /-< // o ____ _ ________ _, / (_/ (_/ / <_(_/|_<___<__ / ) ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:19:12 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: helios@netcom20.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: : I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when : I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the : port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" : command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set : com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Reissuing both commands wasn't enough. I have found the pattern, though. It happens only the first time after I use the modem with a native Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager). CIM switches the flow control from rts/cts to xon/off, disables data compression (MNP5 and V.42bis), and sets max time for diagnostic tests from 255 to 0. Otherwise, the modem settings are untouched. I guess Windows just doesn't want to give up control of COM4. Maybe if I put the right amount of delay at the right place in the script it would work the first time, or at least the second time. 100 ms between "set com" and "set port" did not help when I tried it before. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:05:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3kmmf4$5jl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) writes: > I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and > greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed > since 5A(188) > The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know > if it has been fixed. > NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE > SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) > The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" > routine in the "ckutio" module. > if (!isatty(0)) return(0); > Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not > called from a tty. > OK sounds lagit, BUT ... > When kermit is called from a popen from another software > package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software > package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's > special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" > never gets executed. > An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe > to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and > then specify the following, everything works perfectly until > kermit returns. > > | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) > > At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's > CBREAK mode has been reset. > > Has this been fixed? > > I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support > mail box. > You have. If !isatty(0), then not only does Kermit not restore the terminal, it doesn't change it in the first place. Therefore, this problem *should* not be happening. We can take this offline to work on it more detail. Meanwhile, any program that puts the tty in a special mode and then invokes other programs should be a bit more defensive. Like the shell, for example: $ cat blah | kermit -s - The terminal is fine afterwards. Third, you can give Kermit a file descriptor on the command for the communication channel. This prevents Kermit from opening and conditioning the line: | kermit -l 1 -s - - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:08:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3kmmkk$5l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > am using ckermit 189 for Linux. > I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr > > expect { > "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 > "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 > "term=" goto setterm > "aaaa" goto a-a > . > . > nad so on... > } > > ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input > A similar question was asked recently. Here's the answer: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:13:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:16:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:13:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kmmue$5r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: > : In article > : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other > : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly > : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. > > or get a binary version of 189 at > sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz > No, please get Kermit software from Columbia University. Version 5A(189) is not current. 5A(190) is. For Linux: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, "make linux". That's all there is to it. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:24:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:26:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:24:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:24:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3kmni5$6gt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes: > >I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. > > Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to > Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text > files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to > transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for > another app which works fine. > > systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) > DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 > > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer > OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five > packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error > reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet > size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in > the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I > end up with a blank file on the PC. > > I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the > trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports > into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in > text mode OK. > I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and > handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this > directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets > which I already disabled. > > What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in > text mode? TIA! > I think you have probably done all you can. I suspect that the problem is similar to the one in VMS Kermit-32, namely that Kermit-11 is doing RMS record-oriented input, and its record buffer is shorter than 795. In binary mode, it probably uses a buffer that is the maximum record size for RMS. The author of Kermit-11 no longer maintains the program, so there's not much we can do about it. However, fixing this problem might be as simple as changing the value of a symbol and rebuilding. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 15:01:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:02:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 21 Mar 1995 15:01:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 331 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:9 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2315 comp.os.os2.apps:73039 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:21930 bit.listserv.os2-l:28421 comp.dcom.modems:85136 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a brief Beta testing period for OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot more information in it (hypertext links): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past the following fifty lines (two 24-line screens). OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over: . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds. . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP. . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections. . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes. . Asynchronous communication servers. Offering: . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control, printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc. . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download. . A powerful and portable script programming language. . A large repertoire of character-set translations. . Dialing and services directories. . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem). And lots of OS/2-specific features, including: . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations. . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard. . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes. . Work Place Shell integration through program objects. . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions. . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers. . SLIPTERM compatibility. . Integration with IBM WebExplorer. . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2 system to another, with all file attributes preserved. . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load. . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication. With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit is ideally suited to OS/2 users who: . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services. . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections, e.g. for home and office use. . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting). . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files. . Want to communicate in languages other than English. . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms. Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web site starting at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00 and later, including Warp. It adds the following major new features: . Dramatic speed improvements . Sizeable terminal screens. . New and improved mouse functions. . Improved TELNET client functions. . Incoming TCP/IP connections. . SLIP dialing. . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation. . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation. And many lesser ones. In more detail: SPEED IMPROVEMENTS CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions. C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating. Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before. To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session: C-Kermit 5A(190) 24 sec IBM Telnet 22 sec (TCP/IP 1.2.1) MS-DOS Kermit 12 sec (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2) C-Kermit 5A(191) 5 sec In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55 seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement. The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several other astounding feats: . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens. . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back. . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below). Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds without seriously impacting the rest of the system. SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too. In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen area of 8192 characters. In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132 columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows. Not all combinations are supported by all video hardware. Warp is not required. Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video adapter supports it. Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the "NAWS" option. SOFT FONTS C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any pair of them. But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right characters on the screen. For example, in version 5A(190) we added support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page onto a US version of OS/2. The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window: CP437 - Original PC code page CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc) CP862 - Hebrew code page CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following languages: Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for furnishing these public-domain fonts. CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups and Web pages. But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters? The new C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes: . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout. . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes. . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc). This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available in earlier releases: . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc). . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish. THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor steering, were introduced in the previous release. In version 5A(191): . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen, scrollback buffer included. . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events. . You can assign them to keys. . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events. . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps. To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in the rollback buffer: . Hold down the left mouse button. . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected. . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens. . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging. Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard, printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your terminal session. TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before. Several TELNET protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to "firewalls". Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when provided by the name server, until success is achieved. TELNET NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added. Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute Kermit server functions. OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver. This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM. OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol implementation. If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services, especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this means. If you want it spelled out in more detail, see the APPENDIX at the end of this announcement :-) OTHER CHANGES ...include: . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages. . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY. . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information", "Warning", and "Error" events. . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added. . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation. . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc. DOCUMENTATION OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) is comprehensively and professionally documented in the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF file, which covers recent additions. Ordering information for the book is included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit> prompt with the UPDATES command. WHERE TO GET IT OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta may be obtained (and should ONLY be obtained) From kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/test/os2test, file cko191.zip. Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way), unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL script. For safety, don't install the Beta version over your previous OS/2 C-Kermit version -- read the directions on your screen carefully. After installation, you should copy your CKERMOD.INI, CKERMIT.KDD, and CKERMIT.KSD files from your regular CKERMIT directory to the new one. The cko191.zip file should not be copied to other FTP sites. It is likely to change frequently during the Beta testing period, and we don't want outdated copies circulating. Check the ZIP file every so often to see if it has been updated, or consult the Web entry at URL: http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Please report bugs (in the software or the documentation) by email to: kermit@columbia.edu NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit. Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release. APPENDIX: TELNET AND SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE There is a widespread misconception among PC users that a "virtual modem" or TELNET redirector such as COMTCP, VMODEM, COMt (for Windows), or TNGLASS (for DOS) plus your favorite serial communications package creates the perfect TELNET client. Your serial communication package MIGHT enable you to connect to your host this way, but if it works right throughout your session, it's pure luck. Numerous items -- echoing, screen size, terminal type, and other parameters -- need to be negotiated and sometimes changed dynamically throughout the session, depending on the service and the server. A serial communications program is not designed to handle this type of work. So the virtual modem software must handle the TELNET protocol parameter negotiations on behalf of the communication software. So far, so good. The problem is that when things change, the virtual modem software has no way of telling the communications software, and similarly, when the user changes things in the communications software, the virtual modem doesn't find out about it and can't tell the TELNET server. To complicate matters further, the TELNET Network Virtual Terminal (NVT) definition does not work like the ASCII terminal that your serial communications software is emulating. Certain characters must be handled specially, including carriage return, linefeed, and the "all-ones" character, hex FF. Furthermore, special items like the BREAK signal must be handled by special TELNET protocol messages. So when using serial communications software to accomplish a TELNET connection over a virtual modem, it is very likely to have all sorts of problems, including: . Terminal-type and/or screen-size mismatch. . Faulty echoing: characters can fail to echo when you type them, or might echo twice. "Password silencing" might not work. . You might get overprinting or a "stairstep" effect as the host sends lines to your terminal screen. . Carriage return (Enter) might have no effect at all when you type it. . The session might suddenly hang because a special character has not been properly escaped during terminal emulation or file transfer. . BREAK, required by some hosts and applications, can't be sent. . When things go wrong, you have no effective debugging tools at your disposal, and even when you can diagnose the problems you often have no way to fix them. THE MORAL: If you want a fully-functional and dependable TELNET session, use a real TELNET client. If you want to use the same software for both serial and TELNET connections, try C-Kermit. (End) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:24:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit (OS/2) logging phone-costs? Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:24:09 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3kn94p$a5p@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not asking if Ckermit can do it (I can't figure out something it can't do), but how do I tell Ckermit to do it? Has someone tried this? Would it be best do do some script inside Ckermit or should I try to make a small rexx-program to dig out the information in the logfiles? If you already know how to do it, post the script! //thanks! Markus From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 21:45:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!mix.com!zippy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 20 Mar 1995 21:45:22 GMT Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 22 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kkt1i$aii@news.primenet.com> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew Wing writes: > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK > *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets > go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It > appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it > never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. > Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank > file on the PC. Log files would be helpful here. For K11, you'd - Kermit-11> LOGFILE test.log Kermit-11> SET DEBUG PACKET ..do the transfer, let it die.. Kermit-11> SET DEUG OFF One problem I'm aware of involves an out-of-range length byte from K11 - you may have to SET DEBUG RAW to be able to see this. Although, altering the packet length should have 'fixed' that.. Billy Y.. 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From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 21:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: thank you Message-Id: <1995Mar22.170038.36194@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 22 Mar 95 17:00:37 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@is.dal.ca Wed Mar 22 12:25:41 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:25:41 -0400 (AST) From: Chui Fung Tsang Subject: Survey question To: Chui Fung Tsang Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I would like to thank those who responded to my survey. Some of u may wonder why I posted the survey in some of the news groups which may not seem appropriate. The reason I did that was because I would like to get answers from people of diverse backgrounds and interests. If I did inappropriately posted the survey in certain newsgroups, I would like to apologize. Thank you also for the people who give me some real good advices too. I'll post the result of the survey in 2 weeks. Thank you all. Olivia From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 16:36:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!lcoady From: lcoady@agora.rdrop.com (Lucas Coady) Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:36:38 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the MS-Kermit v3.01 for IBM-PC source? Luke From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:01:02 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of a serial port? I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp lines. thanks for any info, tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 00:01:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:01:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kt24v$k2c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, Tom F McCabe wrote: >I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and >or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit >version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit >file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of >a serial port? > Yes. It works over TCP/IP -- IBM, FTP Software, and various other varieties -- independent of the underlying communication medium. >I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets >but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp >lines. > It is not restricted in any way, except that you must already have a TCP/IP product installed that supports the connection method you want to use. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!dkuug!usenet From: jnh@pip.dknet.dk (John Normann Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WfW & Kermit & Token Ring Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:51:23 GMT Organization: Dolberg Data A/S Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3kt1hr$6s8@news.dknet.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: p726.pip.dknet.dk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get Kermit to work under WfW on a token ring network. I'm using the nine steps to heaven, following the setup.doc from kermit 314. All it does i hang the computer when trying to load the dis_pkt9.dos. So I tried it on a ethernet network an it works great. The adapter is a IBM tokenring and I'm using the ibmtok.dos ndis driver. Any help will be appreciated. PS Does anyone know of any BAPI driver that runs with the TCP32 form Microsoft. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 02:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!olivea!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A programmer friend tells me that you can programmatically specify a DTE rate of 14,400 bps for a COM port under Windows 3.1. And one of our users just set 14,000 as the DTE rate in a .ini file that we use to configure Trumpet Winsock, and found that he got fewer framing errors compared to 19,200 (16450 UART). I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions it as a DTE rate that might be supported). Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? If not, what does Windows actually do with a request for a COM port rate of 14,400 bps? And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? -scott From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 15:19:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:19:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3kunup$36g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Scott Weikart wrote: >I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; > UARTs support any baud rate you can dream up. >and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions >it as a DTE rate that might be supported). > 14400 bps was never needed until V.32bis appeared. Then it was added to MS-DOS Kermit. Just type "set speed ?" to see a list of supported speeds. >Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? > Any modem V.32bis or higher should support it. >And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but >fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? > This depends entirely on your UART chip and your PC configuration and software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 15:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!nickel.laurentian.ca!mark From: mark@nickel.laurentian.ca (MARK LAFONTAINE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 22 Mar 95 10:58:22 -0500 Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.laurentian.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings Kermit Gurus, I work at a bilingual university that supports both french and english computing. We need to transfer files to and from our VAXes through C-Kermit that contain accented french characters. Below is the routine we have to go through in order to transfer a file from the PC to the VAX using AUTORECEIVE from the C-Kermit prompt. The file is transferred successfully with french characters intact. If we try to AUTOSEND the same file from VAX to PC the french characters do not transfer properly. Are there any SET parameters that have to be changed in order to do the AUTOSEND of french characters? We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit version 3.13 for IBM. Our routine was: - log into the VAX - Type CKERMIT from $ prompt At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO -X (to get to MS-Kermit) - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic Set file character CP865 C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. Thanks for any help in this matter. Mark Lafontaine Laurentian University Computer Services Sudbury, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 00:13:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:17:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:16:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!larry182 From: larry182@delphi.com (Larry Reister) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 Date: 25 Mar 1995 00:13:30 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 5 Message-Id: <9503241854591.The_Win-D.larry182@delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Larry Reister Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Luke, I sent a note to watsun.cc.columbia.edu,asking for information on getting Kermit software.He gave me information on how to order "Using MS-DOS KERMIT",for $36.95,and a copy of MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 came with it.Try a note to Watson. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 23:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 24 Mar 1995 23:36:50 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. THIS doesn't work 30% (PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, and then kermit will work. THIS ALWAYS works (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this fixes the problem. i.e. (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried compiling it myself. Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, and that MAXBUF > 2064, and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 and that BIOLM > 20 and that BYTLM > 8192 info: C-Kermit 5A (190) OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 Equinox ELG48 terminal server Thanks, Cheryl Southard cld@astro.caltech.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:17:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news From: mmrst7+@pitt.edu (John Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:17:17 GMT Organization: PITT Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ehdup-f-12.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to an ftp site. Thanks a lot in advance. -M From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 06:23:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:24:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:23:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 25 Mar 1995 06:23:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2330 comp.os.os2.apps:73674 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22379 bit.listserv.os2-l:28703 comp.dcom.modems:85744 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip Or from the Web at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback buffer at all. In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps to ROLL-MODE INSERT. The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:20:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:20:40 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 22:05:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Date: 24 Mar 95 17:05:07 -0500 Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what are the bytes/characters they send over the line? Or is this a State Secret? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 03:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Mar 95 09:17:01 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually > send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev > and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what > are the bytes/characters they send over the line? > > Or is this a State Secret? ----------- Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 16:56:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3l1i04$rq6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: >I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse >text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be >missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks > >David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 > finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information > The first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to have mouse support was 5a(190). This version required the user to SET TERMINAL MOUSE ON. 5a(191) has much more extensive support for the mouse than 5a(190). In addition to the ability to perform cursor positioning and copy and paste to the clipboard from within C-Kermit, 191 now allows you to assign arbitary macros, Kverbs, and mouse specific actions to specific combinations of SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT and CLICK, DOUBLE-CLICK and DRAG events. Mouse support is enabled by default in 5a(191). for information on how to use Mouse support please read the CKERMIt.INF file. "Using the MOuse". You can also type UPDATES MOUSE at the C-Kermit prompt. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 23:30:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu (Gary Schrock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 23:30:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3l291u$1arq@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: psy219.psy.msu.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2335 comp.os.os2.apps:73780 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22456 bit.listserv.os2-l:28746 comp.dcom.modems:85839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. A definite thanks from here. The new behaviour is significantly more intuitive. Seems to be working great here. Gary Schrock gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:32:23 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cc5.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; but how is it used? Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, but how? The 'APC' command seems to talk to the remote MS-Kermit, but there is no VM-specific info on practical usage (it's not in the HELPCMS file.) -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 18:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!decus!t_howald From: t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Date: 26 Mar 95 19:26:57 +0100 Organization: DECUS (Switzerland) Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit Gurus I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI VAXCLUSTER=0 MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas F. Howald / It's difficult to soar with / Phone: +41 65 25 25 29 Otto Howald AG, / eagles when you work with turkeys/ CompuServe 100115,2076 Engestrasse 13, 4500 Solothurn, Switzerland t_howald@decus.ch ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 07:37:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.133718.45682@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 13:37:18 MDT References: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus>, t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) writes: > > > Hi Kermit Gurus > I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better > use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I > modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. > > SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI > SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI > VAXCLUSTER=0 > MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit > > After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems > and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: > > PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > > My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually > crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? > > Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ---------- Page and swap file sizes are from autogen, the sensing of system usage over time. It's the item you answer YES to when @sys$system:shutdown-ing the machine. Seven years is a long time between system tuning activites. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 22:33:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PCMag Comm Article Date: 26 Mar 1995 17:33:29 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks: On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! Is this data valid????? Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. Comments????? Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu Sorry for the double space -- I still can't deal with this mailer From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 11:04:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Message-Id: <1995Mar26.170413.45693@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 17:04:13 MDT References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that > several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical > limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp > file > in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably > w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ > sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! > What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! >> Is this data valid????? > Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current > MS-Kermit? > PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: > CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW > Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying > to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our > users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. ------------ While I don't have the article the numbers do strongly suggest playing with file compression, and only secondarily with protocols. Any time you see "exceeded theoretical limits" you can be sure the wrong theory is being applied, and that deductions cannot follow. Until you get the story straightened out I suggest you let matters rest. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 04:08:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 04:08:26 GMT Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call on com1. This is unscientific, but if logged in at the shell prompt things looked nice -- i.e. the line didn't appear bursty. I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. And so on. The pauses served to clobber the effective transfer rates. I did 25 tests. One session where the TX light appeared to never stop chugging had me get binary compressed file transfer at 1991 cps (which is still far below 2880 cps). Other sessions did much worse. Is there something about kermit that one can use to improve this? My kermrc is enclosed at EOF. This was using 2k packets, the performance with 1k packets was much worse. Another kermitism I'm not able to solve relates to packet size: when I say 2048 byte packets, he uses 1806 byte packets. He refuses to (say) use 4k byte packets. Thanks, -ans. set parity none set file collision overwrite set attributes off set speed 38400 set flow-control rts/cts set file type binary set file names literal set file display fullscreen set window-size 5 set receive packet-length 2048 set send packet-length 2048 set block 3 set buffers 150000 150000 -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:21:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!worm.inch.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: Help me mix expect and kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:21:32 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26847 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2343 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are behaving strangely. Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. The moment I say connect things get hairy. If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin 486 notebook running linux. Thanks, -ans. -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:06:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3l6got$hhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca>, MARK LAFONTAINE wrote >We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit >version 3.13 for IBM. > > - Type CKERMIT from [VAX] $ prompt > At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic > Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO > -X (to get to MS-Kermit) > - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic > Set file character CP865 > C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) > - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename > >This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to >the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. > Of course it is not working. The Cyrillic character sets do not contain Roman letters with accents. Cyrillic is used for Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc. Also, I sincerely doubt that you would be using *any* code page on the VAX. I think that what you really want to do, as is explained thoroughly in both "Using C-Kermit" and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its French edition, "Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi"), is: VAX: set transfer char latin1 set file char latin1 ; or dec-multinational PC: set transfer char latin1 set file char cp850 ; or cp863 CP850 is the IBM "Multilingual" code page. CP863 is the Canadian French code page. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 18:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!hursley.ibm.com!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!news From: rjrodrig@vnet.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit under Warp Date: 23 Mar 1995 18:25:58 GMT Organization: ISSC Pougheepsie New York Lines: 7 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: rjrodrig@kgnvmc.kgn.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: loctools.pok.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.04 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. Robert Rodriguez From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:13:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 89 Message-Id: <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Cheryl L. Southard wrote: >Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, >and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, >kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive >amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. >This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that >dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. > >THIS doesn't work 30% >(PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use >the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun >SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the >terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, >and then kermit will work. > >THIS ALWAYS works >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a >WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. > >Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this >fixes the problem. i.e. >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried >compiling it myself. > >Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? > >I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified >that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, >and that MAXBUF > 2064, >and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 >and that BIOLM > 20 >and that BYTLM > 8192 > >info: > C-Kermit 5A (190) > OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 > Equinox ELG48 terminal server > An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to dig into the terminal server's configuration. There are a couple other possibilities, though. First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over various connection types is somewhat mysterious. Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file transfer. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:17:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:17:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6he9$iiv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, John Meyer wrote: >Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried >version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer >version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to >an ftp site. > The only Kermit program that we recommend and support for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit. Current version 3.14. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 19:34:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!wizard.pn.com!dns.crocker.com!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 14:34:15 -0500 References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: >> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >> >> Or is this a State Secret? > ----------- > Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory > kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually send. I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, perhaps, wrong? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:29:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:29:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3l6i3r$jqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >... >I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by >sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the >key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to >know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that >produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > Some \Kverbs, such as the \Kdec... ones, send the escape sequences that are THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED in the manual. Others, such as \Kupscrn and \Kdnscn perform actions that are (thoroughly documented in the manual and are) local to MS-DOS Kermit -- in other words, they don't send any characers. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:44:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3l6j13$ldm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several >comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a >compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that >is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in >3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered >at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! > It can't? >Is this data valid????? > I don't have the PC Magazine issue handy, but you say it's a "500k .bmp" file. That must be a "Bitmap" file -- i.e. uncompressed screen rasters, so naturally they get compressed by the modems' built-in data compression feature -- V.42bis or whatever -- resulting in the high transfer rates. Kermit would do just as well or better. What's more, if you used Kermit to transfer the SAME file through a pair of modems that did NOT do data compression, Kermit would still get about the same data rate, whereas the other would probably drop down to about 1600 cps. >Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:47:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:47:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6j5m$ln9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently >get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from >the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call >on com1. >... >I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw >were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously >work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG >pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. >And so on. > Why don't you try the same experiment between two different PCs? That would rule out such things as interrupt conflicts, driver and scheduler peculiarities, and so on. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 16:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit under Warp Date: 27 Mar 1995 16:43:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3l6pv8$3m9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in >a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and >it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I >tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. > >Robert Rodriguez > We would need more information to be able to help you. What are you attempting to do. At what point does it hang? I have been using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 successfully under WARP for several months. Without any problems other than those one woudl expect from trying to run a timing sensitive DOS application in a multi-tasking operating system. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 02:51:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar27.085151.45728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Mar 95 08:51:51 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 193 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > writes: >> In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu > (Dick Wisan) writes: >>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >>> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >>> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >>> >>> Or is this a State Secret? >> ----------- >> Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory >> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. >> Joe D. > > No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and > what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually > send. > > I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by > sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the > key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to > know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that > produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > > I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence > of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, > perhaps, wrong? --------------- Ok, I'll spell it out for you. From my working copy of file msvibm.vt: (begin cutout) Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys. Key Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Find decFind CSI 1 ~ these keys Insert Here decInsert CSI 2 ~ send nothing Remove decRemove CSI 3 ~ Select decSelect CSI 4 ~ Prev Screen decPrev CSI 5 ~ Next Screen decNext CSI 6 ~ ~ is ASCII chart 7/14 Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) Codes sent by DEC LK201 keyboard function keys, not preassigned to PC keys Key name Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Hold Screen nothing nothing Print Screen nothing nothing Set-Up nothing nothing F4 nothing nothing F5 (Break) nothing nothing F6 decF6 CSI 17 ~ nothing F7 decF7 CSI 18 ~ nothing F8 decF8 CSI 19 ~ nothing F9 decF9 CSI 20 ~ nothing F10 decF10 CSI 21 ~ nothing F11 (ESC) decF11 CSI 23 ~ ESC F12 (BS) decF12 CSI 24 ~ BS F13 (LF) decF13 CSI 25 ~ LF F14 decF14 CSI 26 ~ nothing Help decHelp CSI 28 ~ nothing Do decDo CSI 29 ~ nothing F17 decF17 CSI 31 ~ nothing F18 decF18 CSI 32 ~ nothing F19 decF19 CSI 33 ~ nothing F20 decF20 CSI 34 ~ nothing Note: F6 - F20 are DEC "User Definable Keys" which means their output can be redefined by the host (not by the terminal owner). See below for method. An often confusing item is knowing the mode of the auxillary keypad: numeric or application. Digital Equipment Corporation designed the terminal to change modes only under command from the remote computer and not at all from the keyboard. So the startup state is numeric/cursor mode, and reception of escape sequences "ESC [ ? 1 h" or "l" changes the mode. Kermit verbs for the keypad and cursor keys generate the correct escape sequences appropriate to the current mode and terminal type. A best attempt is made to safely test for the 101/102 key Enhanced keyboard and use it if present. If it is present then the keyboard translator separates the individual arrow keys from those on the numeric keypad and also separates the asterisk and forward slash keys on the keypad from those on the regular typewriter keyboard. These special Enhanced keyboard keys are reported as scan codes with 4096 added to the base scan code. OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal Alt h HELP Show drop down help menu (detailed below) Alt s STATUS Show settings Alt x EXIT Exit Connect mode, back to Kermit prompt Home HOMSCN Roll screen up (text down) to beginning of storage. End ENDSCN Roll screen down (text up) to end of storage. PgUp UPSCN Roll screen up (back, earlier) one screen. PgDn DNSCN Roll screen down (forward, later) one screen. Ctrl-PgUp UPONE Roll screen up one line. Ctrl-PdDn DNONE Roll screen down one line. Control-PrtSc PRTSCN Toggle on/off copying of received text to printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode line when activated. Control-End DUMP Dump image of screen to a disk file or device. Default filename is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. Use command SET DUMP to change the filename. Screen images are appended to the file, separated by formfeeds. Graphics screens go to files TEKPLT.TIF. Shift-PrtSc Standard DOS Print-screen, dump screen image to printer. unassigned HOLDSCRN DEC style Holdscreen, same as typing Control-S. ALT-n NEXTSESSION Change to next terminal session, only if using Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. ALT-z NETHOLD Place Network connections "on hold". This means interrupt the normal PC to host connection and invoke the external network control program interface for session management. Works with 3Com(BAPI), Novell(NASI), UB-Net1, etc but not with Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. unassigned RTONE scroll screen right one column unassigned RTPAGE scroll screen right by 20 columns unassigned LFONE scroll screen left by one column unassigned LFPAGE scroll screen left by 20 columns "Alt -" means hold down Alt and type minus on the upper key rank. This switches among the various kinds of emulation but does not change most operating parameters of the emulator. Follow a new selection with ALT = (verb RESET) to reset the emulator to the current type. (end of cutout) Here we see that not all keys create traffic to the remote host. Upscn etc are local video manipulators only; the host hears nothing about them. The DEC DO key is precisely defined above, and it isn't even close to ESC O S. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!nntp.magwien.gv.at!nntp.advge.magwien.gv.at!usenet From: SAC@advge.magwien.gv.at (Heinz Sack) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 27 Mar 1995 12:56:23 GMT Organization: MD-ADV/Ge Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l6cln$2rn@hesnet.advge.magwien.gv.at> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: 141.203.60.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, isiew@lis.pitt.edu says... > >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can >I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only >holds the assembly version. Thanks > >-- >------------------------------- >- Ivan Siew >isiew@lis.pitt.edu >http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ I am also very interested in the source code for a terminal emulation (VT 100 or better). I need it for special purposes to comunicate between VAX and PC programms. If you get any Information, please contact me. Thank's for all - Heinz Sack From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 15:42:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: benkrug@mcs.com (Benjamin Krug) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 15:42:17 GMT Organization: MCSNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6mcp$gr6@News1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fnbctech.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun (Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to my local session, and then... I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it doesn't. It just seems to stop here. At first I was looking for input, but then removed that, and simply did a "pause 20" after my command to escape back to the local kermit session. Everything works fine up to this, but then I'm just left there, in local kermit with a remote server session. Any help? Suggestions? Tips? (I can't find anything to solve this in "Using C-Kermit.) Thanks a lot, Ben Krug benkrug@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:18:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:18:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3l95ro$r77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. > The command would be "get readme.txt", not "output get readme.txt". Your OUTPUT command makes it send the string "get readme.txt" to the Kermit server, but: . The Kermit server is no longer in command mode. . Even if it were, you have omitted the trailing carriage return. . The GET command is given to the client, not to the server. So nothing happens. In general, a script program just contains the commands you would type interactively, except it never CONNECTs or "escapes back". Instead, everything that you would type during CONNECT mode is sent to the remote host or service with OUTPUT commands. Carriage returns and other control characters must be included explicitly, as in "output help\13". And everything you read with your eyes is read by Kermit using INPUT commands. And every time you have to pause in real life, you put in a PAUSE command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:20:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnet2.netnet.net!awinc.com!usenet From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Notice: Howto InfoNet Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: SHEP Communications Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Reply-To: Randal.N.Streilein@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pme016.awinc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HOW-TO AUTHORS Made all the money you want yet? 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Abundantly yours, Paulette Ensign From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:23:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3l9gme$fs2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; >but how is it used? Perhaps paradoxically, the primary documentation for the APC subcommand lies at the other end -- all the mainframe Kermit does is pass the command string along for execution to the other Kermit, so the syntax checking is done remotely. > Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type >one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then >return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' >sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, >but how? The EXEC's in that file are ordinary CMS EXEC's. No more, no less. They are executed from within Kermit the same as any other CMS command. See the CMS Kermit user's guide (it's free!), particularly the sections on EXEC operation and the SET SYSCMD subcommand. John From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 19:21:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!usenet From: Richard Aleksandr Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 27 Mar 1995 19:21:34 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.4.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then '(back at localhostname)' I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more information on why I can't connect. Is there a verbose mode? Perm- missions on /dev/tty1a are wide open. I can connect as a remote terminal from DOS using Procomm Plus so I know the line is o.k. Help! Thanks very much, Richard From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:37:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:37:52 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l83r0$h3i@Mercury.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26884 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2361 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are >behaving strangely. > >Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As >long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. >The moment I say connect things get hairy. > >If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, >I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin >486 notebook running linux. What do you need to do that you can't automate with kermit's own scripting? I've been so perverse as to use kermit with a loopback telnet connection to automate things on the local host that need a pty instead of using expect. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:40:03 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3l83v3$h89@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. You don't say "output get ..." when the other end is in server mode you just say "get ..." to your end and it automatically tells the server what you want. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 16:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 29 Mar 1995 16:21:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lc1ea$amu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net>, Richard Aleksandr wrote: >I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct >serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and >speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost >immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then >'(back at localhostname)' > >I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more >information on why I can't connect. > Try "show communications" or "show modem". It will probably tell you that the Carrier-Detect (CD) signal is off. The underlying device driver normally wants it to be on in order to communicate. Solution: tell C-Kermit to "set carrier off", meaning: don't require carrier. If that doesn't do it, see Chapter 3 of "Using C-Kermit", especially the section on direct serial connections. If that still doesn't do it, get back to me with more details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 01:22:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!cat.cis.Brown.EDU!news From: hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:22:11 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hiroi@relab1.geo.brown.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: tonto-slip5.cis.brown.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2364 comp.os.os2.apps:74180 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22730 bit.listserv.os2-l:28850 comp.dcom.modems:86297 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. > >C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from > > kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip > >Or from the Web at > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. >This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue >to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. > >As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has >appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the >screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something >from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. > >Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by >SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. > >In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host >while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you >want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be >placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback >buffer at all. > >In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the >scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. > >In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps >to ROLL-MODE INSERT. > >The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. > >Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 >"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." >"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." > OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation has a bug. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 21:54:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 21:54:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lcku4$ns@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2365 comp.os.os2.apps:74205 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22748 bit.listserv.os2-l:28857 comp.dcom.modems:86310 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu>, Takahiro Hiroi wrote: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular >emulation has a bug. > If you have found a bug in Beta Test software, why don't you report it directly to the developers. That is what beta tests are for. Use e-mail, not netnews, which gets send to millions of computers all over the world, at considerable cost. The address for reporting bugs is: kermit@columbia.edu Please be specific. Exactly what does not work? And did you consult the documentation first? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 15:31:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!epsilon!usenet From: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Message-Id: Sender: usenet@epsilon.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cassandra.quantum.epsilon.com Reply-To: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Organization: HPC Division, Epsilon Data Management, Burlington, MA 01803 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:31:04 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2366 comp.os.os2.apps:74215 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22757 bit.listserv.os2-l:28859 comp.dcom.modems:86324 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Much deleted about features of new OS/2 Kermit beta from kermit.columbai.edu] In <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) writes: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation >has a bug. First off, send mail directly to jaltman@kermit.columbia.edu. His news feed suffers from the time lag from hell. Second, saying WHAT VT220 emulation error while talking to what platform would be useful. There is no way to fix the problem, or even determine it exists, from the above description. Drew Derbyshire Internet: ahd@epsilon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 23:38:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 29 Mar 1995 23:38:41 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lcr21$9ad@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not >very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection >between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP >connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess >would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind >of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to >dig into the terminal server's configuration. > >There are a couple other possibilities, though. > >First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, >try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over >various connection types is somewhat mysterious. > >Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For >example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says >the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file >transfer. > >- Frank Well, neither the "set flow" command or the "sho terminal" stuff fixed the problem. The problem was solved, however, by upgrading my terminal server software. Here's the details on the terminal server: Equinox PBX with ELG 48 card The software on the ELG 48 card WAS at V2.30. Upgrading the ELG 48 card to V2.33 fixes the problem. Thanks for the help, Cheryl From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:03:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!ktakusa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Clobbering the Last Line Message-Id: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Ken T. Takusagawa) Date: 28 Mar 95 23:03:56 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit wizards, I am a new user to kermit and have three questions: 1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? 2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression ability the box says it has? I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" after the AT command. 3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? As I transfer binary gzipped files: - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 800 (on my PC) the transmission works kinda OK (but only 71% efficiency -- Is this normal?) - When I SET RECE PACKET 2000 the packet size fluctuates as as the file is transmitted, and efficiency drops to 30% - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 3000 or above, the transmission does not work, it quits after "Too many retries." Background: MS-Kermit 3.14, Zoom faxmodem 2400 C-Kermit 5a(188) Dec OSF/1 1.0 Thank you very much for help. Ken Takusagawa ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 20:40:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!englandr From: englandr@netcom.com (William and Alice Englander) Subject: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Message-Id: Organization: William and Alice Englander Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:40:32 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: englandr@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello - Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the newer features. I understand that the source is available, but I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not the ANSI one. We'd be happy to pay for it if there's a charge. Thanks for your help! Bill -- William and Alice Englander englandr@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 22:43:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ruhr.de!reswi!postmaster From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 29 Mar 1995 22:43:47 GMT Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jodokus.en.open.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file (set file collision discard). How can i decide if kermit has really successfully completed the transmisson? A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if they've worked perfectly well. My logout script looks like finish xif failure { - finish, - if failure finish - } This works, but needs a loooooong time to complete. - ralf -- Ralf E. Stranzenbach at Home: +49 2302 / 96200-3 at Work: +49 231 / 75892-15 "Ich bin auch mit gebrauchtem Denken zufrieden!" - Charlie Brown From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 03:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script and automatic learning Message-Id: <1995Mar29.095716.45989@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Mar 95 09:57:16 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , josef@ltssun1 (Josef Bigun) writes: > I wonder if it is possible to prepare a > script file automatically by letting > kermit watch your actions? > > Alternatively, is there a way to mark > automaticaly what one types in when > connected to a remote host? When I log > the session to a file, it does record everything but > there is no way to know what has been produced by me, > so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, > to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. ----------- No, there isn't. Such utilities capture raw keystrokes, down below DOS and the BIOS on DOS machines, don't even dream of this on non-DOS machines, and stuff them into a file. Clever, and sometimes useful. The recommended drill is to log a session, then write a short script based upon the observed dialogue. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 08:35:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Kermit freezes (help!) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: adder.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:35:16 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. In general I have no trouble connecting and once the connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a connection is established but the welcome message from the remote system just _stops_ part way through. When this happens I can't type anything in the terminal window and I can still hear modem data if I pick the phone up. I can give the hangup command from the kermit prompt and that works ok, but I still cant get the modem to respond if I go back to the terminal screen. If I quit kermit and start it again the problem usually remains (and kermit often tells me it can't verify the port). The only solution seems to be to quit and restart Windows. Since the problem is a bit sporadic I haven't been able to work out whats going on but its really starting to annoy me! I'd be very grateful if anyone can offer any opinions/advice on what the problem might be! Thanks, Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 21:29:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us!aje From: aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 28 Mar 1995 21:29:08 GMT Organization: MCNC / NC-REN Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it explain how this is accomplished. Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. Ugh. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Andrew Joesph Esposito Systems Administrator Western Carolina Forklift Inc. voice: (910) 668-0959 fax: (910) 668-3833 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:28:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:28:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3lef6r$4s1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, Andrew J. Esposito wrote: >Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. >DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, >MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says >that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it >explain how this is accomplished. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in a special "medium" edition for small systems. The small size is accomplished by removing the network support and the graphics terminal emulation. On its own -- i.e. without a lot of macros defined and screen rollback buffers allocated (hint hint) it occupies about 200K of memory, give or take 5K -- so you might be able to squeeze it in. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. The program you want to try is KERMITE.EXE (not KERMIT.EXE). You might need to run it without the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, which defines a bunch of macros, which add memory: kermite -f nul and you might also need to set the KERMIT environment variable to disable rollback: SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 0 If it's still too big, we can probably dig up an old pre-3.0 version that would fit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:43:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clobbering the Last Line Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:43:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: >1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered >whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: `eval resize` >2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression >ability the box says it has? > I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, >but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" >after the AT command. > Use the high-speed modem dialing script appropriate to your modem. It will enable data compression, error correction, speed matching, and RTS/CTS flow control. >3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? > Read our FAQ. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:49:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:49:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lege3$8fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William and Alice Englander wrote: >Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? > No. We have one for the model 700. If somebody wants to send in one for the 800, let me know. >C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the >newer features. I understand that the source is available, but >I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. >Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not >the ANSI one. > You don't need to know C to build C-Kermit. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, and then: make hpux90 (assuming you are running HP-UX 9-point-something) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:58:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3legu6$9rn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote: >i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some >data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns >SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file >(set file collision discard). > This should have been fixed in version 5A(190). >A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if >they've worked perfectly well. > It doesn't happen here, at least not with version 5A(190). Please try the current version. If you still have these problems, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 15:05:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes (help!) Date: 30 Mar 1995 15:05:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3lehbb$aei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ian Craddock wrote: >I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect >to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from >Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. >In general I have no trouble connecting and once the >connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about >one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a >connection is established but the welcome message from the >remote system just _stops_ part way through. > It's next to impossible to diagnose problems like this from afar, but the most likely cause is something to do with interrupts: . Two devices are using the same interrupt . Some software besides Kermit is catching the same interrupt . Spurious interrupts are being generated by a flaky device Another likely cause is a buggy modem or motherboard. Internal modems almost always spell trouble. Another likely cause is your Windows configuration -- COM port definitions, memory management, etc etc. Read all of the hints in your KERMIT.BWR file, particularly section 6. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 18:36:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:36:22 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C "\"pcsend $source $target, quit\""] and set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C 'pcget $tempname $target, quit'] This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload operation. At that point they can browse rthe system and perform other operations that I do not want them to be able to do. Fortunately, we had taken other measures to prevent users from spawning a shell, so overall system security has not yet been compromised. The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the following gcc -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \ ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \ ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \ ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lcurses -ltermcap ld: Undefined symbol _gettcs collect: ld returned 2 exit status *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wermit' Current working directory /vol/local/kermit-5A-190/src *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sunos41gcc' I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. BTW: I'm running kermit-5A-190 under SunOS4.1.3 and using gcc-2-4-5 for compilartion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 11:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!epflnews!epflnews.epfl.ch!josef From: josef%ltssun1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Josef Bigun) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script and automatic learning Date: 29 Mar 1995 11:48:58 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ltssun1.epfl.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wonder if it is possible to prepare a script file automatically by letting kermit watch your actions? Alternatively, is there a way to mark automaticaly what one types in when connected to a remote host? When I log the session to a file, it does record everything but there is no way to know what has been produced by me, so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. Thanks -- =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. Dr. Josef Bigun Swiss Federal Institute of Technology e-mail: Josef.Bigun@epfl.ch Tel: +41 21 693 2796 Fax: +41 21 693 7600 Mail Address: EPFL; DE-LTS; CH-1015 Lausanne; Switzerland www : http://ltswww.epfl.ch/ =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 07:39:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!norssi9.joensuu.fi!norssiyalu From: norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:45:17 Organization: University of Joensuu Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: norssi9.joensuu.fi X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. Thanks a lot in advance Anja From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:02:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:02:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: : ... : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload : operation. : ... : The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the : `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the : following: : : ld: Undefined symbol : _gettcs : That would be a bug -- I'll fix it. : I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the : Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this : problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C : whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. : That's correct. : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. : Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. Read about them in ckccfg.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:08:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:08:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3lh2c8$pnj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does all of this. It has a built-in TCP/IP stack that works in Windows over packet drivers, and it supports display of Finnish text during terminal emulation when the host is using the 7-bit Finnish ISO 646 character set, or 8-bit ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1, or any of about a dozen proprietary character sets. Furthermore, it also converts the special characters of Finnish (and many other languages) between the host character-set and your IBM PC code page as part of text file transfer. Read Chapter 13, International Character Sets, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for complete details. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 01:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 30 Mar 1995 01:34:46 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ... input 20 login: output peter\13 input 10 sword output xyzzy\13 ... I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) Then the script times out, sends the password, and *now* I see the Pasword: prompt. MS Kermit 3.14 PL 3 SCO UNIX Oh, this works fine on a Sun (Solaris 2.4) Thanks for any help .... -- Peter Renzland Peter@Passport.Ca 416 323-1300 Je danse donc je suis EntP Toronto Traditional Social Dance Calendar: finger/mail dance@passport.ca http://www.passport.ca/~dance From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 17:26:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 31 Mar 1995 17:26:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lhdvs$4sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >... >input 20 login: >output peter\13 >input 10 sword >output xyzzy\13 >... > >I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", >then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) > Try doing it like this: input 20 {login: } if fail stop 1 No login prompt output peter\13 input 10 {Password: } if fail stop 1 No Password prompt pause 1 output xyzzy\13 It's always good to have error handling. The other change is to INPUT the *entire* prompt. UNIX login does not permit typeahead, and it is likely that your script started sending the password too soon. (The "pause 1" might not be necessary, but better safe than sorry.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 05:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.gasou.edu!gsu!kjb From: kjb%gsu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Keith Barrs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: frame size? Date: 30 Mar 1995 05:04:57 GMT Organization: Georgia Southern University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <3lde5p$lt4@informer.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsu.cs.gasou.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu looking for kermit protocol for the macintosh From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 19:15:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 31 Mar 1995 19:15:21 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server should work, right? but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. works without security. (i.e. if i leave out the first line above) should it work? (i.e. is it implemented in msdos kermit?) and from which ckermit version on? thanks. -- Peter From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 16:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:33:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:32:57 -0500 Date: 28 Mar 1995 16:09:45 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 11:14:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Message-Id: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Mar 95 17:14:19 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: > I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also > intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. ----------- You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. It's a DOS program with Windows-smarts. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 01:39:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 02:39:00 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? I would like to se an example-script if you have one. //thanks in advance! Markus From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 17:07:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!nettle.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@nettle.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 17:07:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: nettle.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? >I would like to se an example-script if you have one. ------ ; PUCC_SLIP.KRM ; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp ; using C-Kermit 5A(191) ;-------------------- ;variable definitions ;-------------------- ;serial port number def \%o 1 ;machine name ;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu ;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) ;def \%a 128.46.161.160 def \%a 128.46.161.85 ;login def \%l laird ;password def \%p secret ;shell prompt def \%r % ;--------------------------------- ;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start set line com0 ;start SLIP.EXE !start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts ;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize !slipwait ;"share" port with SLIP.EXE set line slipcom\%o set speed 57600 ;call PUCC :DIAL dial 496-1440 if error goto DIAL ;get initial prompt output \013 input 5 username> if error goto DIAL ;send bogus userid 'cause it doesn't matter output os2user\013 ;get annex prompt input 10 > if error goto DIAL ;telnet to machine output telnet \%m\013 ;perform login sequence unixlogin \%l \%p \%r if error goto DIAL ;output BREAK to get back to annex prompt output \b ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;get a clean connection output set session passall\013 ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;return to telnet session output fg\013 ;get another shell prompt output \013 input 5 \%r if error goto DIAL ;turn off messages and start TIA output mesg n;tia\013 ;get TIA acknowledgement input 10 eady if error goto DIAL ;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port set line com0 ;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. ; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. ; The following is just because I usually want to run ; telnet. ; You could also add lines like ;!start EXPLORE.EXE ; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will ; automatically start after connection. ;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) net tcp/ip \%m ;login to machine (again) unixlogin \%l \%p \%r ;present terminal emulation screen connect From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 19:28:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 1 Apr 1995 19:28:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3lk9h9$tj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: >> I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >> intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. >----------- >You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has >it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. > ^^^ Oops, I think Joe meant "does all Norse glyphs" -- all the accented Roman letters, plus Thorn and Eth for Iceland(*) (and Old Norse). We had Thorn in Old and Middle English too, as anyone who ever had to read "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" in the original will attest. Kermit does not, however, as yet handle Runes, but I am pleased to announce that a computer encoding for the Futhark has been developed and as soon as somebody makes a code page (or PC font) for it, Kermit will be ready :-) OK, so it's April 1st and you think I'm kidding? Point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/runes.html - Frank (*) Disclaimer: Iceland does not consider itself part of Scandinavia. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:44:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!csbh!scvikevich From: scvikevich@mhv.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bad Press ?? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:44:06 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net Summary: bad press Keywords: kermit, zmodem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the Frog. ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM recovers from transmission errors more effectively than the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an interruption means downloading the entire file again. I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user community. Serge ........................................................................... . Serge Cvikevich e-mail: scvikevich@mhv.net TEL/FAX: 914-463-3035 . . . . Microanalysis Hardware & Software Support . . 47 Clover Hill Drive . . Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-3201 . ........................................................................... From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 23:20:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting result code from external command? Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 18:20:31 -0500 (EST) Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if it worked and send some sort of message... Thanks MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!btmp2h!mupp From: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:07:15 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Telephone, Antwerpen, Belgium Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Reply-To: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Nntp-Posting-Host: btmp2h.sh.bel.alcatel.be Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? TIA. M.Uppal From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 20:10:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!nntp.darmstadt.gmd.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!cs.tu-berlin.de!byteshif From: byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de (byteshifter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 01 Apr 1995 20:10:24 GMT Organization: TU Berlin Fachbereich Informatik Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 13:34:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Message-Id: <1995Mar28.193440.45947@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Mar 95 19:34:40 MDT References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) writes: > Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. > DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, > MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says > that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it > explain how this is accomplished. > > Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but > they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with > "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. > > Ugh. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -- > Andrew Joesph Esposito > Systems Administrator > Western Carolina Forklift Inc. > voice: (910) 668-0959 > fax: (910) 668-3833 --------------- Programs invariably grow larger with time, some spectacularly so, alas. MS-DOS Kermit is no exception to the rule but not to the second part. Depending on your needs version 3.14 is offered in three sizes: regular full featured, medium-sized MSK which removes TCP/IP and other networking support and graphics, and BBS sized MSK Lite. The last also omits terminal emulation and is a file mover rather than that plus terminal emulation. I suspect the medium size might be a good choice since the XT's likely have no networking. Please do inspect these variations for the best match at your site. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, binary file msvibm.zip has them all. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 12:48:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 12:48:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3lm6e4$9qp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: > >when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more >than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's >how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? In C-Kermit the command is SET FILENAME LITERAL. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:29:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:29:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqf6$453@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be>, Manindar Uppal SH37 9612 wrote: >Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? > ftp: host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, then go to "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:31:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:31:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqib$48u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: :when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more :than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's :how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? : SET FILE NAMES LITERAL - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:35:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting result code from external command? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:35:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3lmqpc$4h3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: >In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? >i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if >it worked and send some sort of message... > This does not work in version 5A(190) and earlier. This feature will be added to the next release. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 20:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 2 Apr 1995 20:44:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3ln2bk$dhj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. >set server login USERNAME PASSWORD >server > >should work, right? > Yes, and it does. >but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that >a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. > Using the current versions of MS-DOS Kermit -- 3.14 -- and UNIX C-Kermit -- 5A(190) -- everything works as advertised, and I'm pretty sure this is also true of earlier versions. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server (as you did) and then if you send any commands to it from the UNIX C-Kermit client without logging in first, it sends back a message saying "REMOTE LOGIN is required". Then if you tell the C-Kermit client to: remote login USERNAME PASSWORD MS-DOS Kermit sends back a message saying "Kermit-MS Server ready", and then accepts REMOTE, SEND, GET, FINISH, etc, commands if they have not been DISABLE'd. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 07:52:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:56:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:55:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Capture macro Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 13 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:52:28 +0000 Message-Id: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user imput to change this. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 23:28:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 2 Apr 1995 23:28:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: >Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, >without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) >you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively >you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. > >I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have >managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user >imput to change this. > The screen is dumped to a file using the \Kdump verb. This copies the on-screen text (without highlighting, colors, etc) to a plain-text file. No escape sequences. The default file is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. If it already exists it is appended to. The \Kdump verb is assigned to Ctrl-End by default, and you can move it around with SET KEY. The screen-dump file can be changed with SET DUMP. This is all in the manual. You want a "hot key" that prompts the user for a filename to save the screen text to. Well, we can write a macro to do this, and then assign it to the desired key, along with the \Kdump verb. First let's write the macro. define getdumpfile echo SCREEN DUMP REQUESTED,- :loop,- ask \%9 {File to dump to: },- if not def \%9 goto loop,- if exist \%9 goto done,- open write \%9,- if success goto ok,- echo Error: \%9 can't be created,- goto loop,- :ok,- close write,- delete \%9,- :done,- set dump \%9,- connect This macro not only prompts for the filename, but also checks whether the named file can actually be used; if not it goes back and reprompts. Now to assign the whole process to (say) Alt-C (Alt-Shift-C), do: set key \2862 {\{Kgetdumpfile}\{Kdump}} (The arrangement of braces and slashes is a bit mysterious, but is documented in the KERMIT.BWR file.) Embellish or simplify as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 17:41:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!goya!tid.tid.es!tid.tid.es!not-for-mail From: leon@tid.tid.es (Jose Leon Gonzalez Alvarez) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Followup-To: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 3 Apr 1995 19:41:51 +0200 Organization: Telefonica I+D Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3lpc0v$qit@tid.tid.es> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: tid.tid.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27128 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2404 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ajay Shah (ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in) wrote: : I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are : behaving strangely. : Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As : long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. : The moment I say connect things get hairy. : If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, : I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin : 486 notebook running linux. : Thanks, : -ans. : -- : ------------------------- : Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay : ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah : <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key Hi, I am using expect to operate a kermit connection and things go smoothly to me. I have a HP workstation running HP-UX 9.0. Do you have kermit controlling a modem line? That's what I have and most of my problems where related to the "Hayes-controlled" setup of the modem. Best regards, Leon _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ..... 888 888888 Leon Gonzalez Alvarez ..... 888 88888888 TELEFONICA c/ Emilio Vargas, 6 ..... 888 8 888 888 INVESTIGACION 28043 Madrid (SPAIN) ooooo 888 88888 888 888 Y Phone: +34 1 337 4729 ooooo 888 8 88888888 DESARROLLO Fax: +34 1 337 4352 ooooo 888 888888 E-mail: leon@tid.es _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 20:13:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 16:13:22 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it after it's been successfully transfered. What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but with a macro instead of get. I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping over file names selected by a wild card pattern. It would probably be useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should probably be a different step from the implicit looping. [Right now, I do os specific things to build a kermit script then execute it...] Personally, I have no immediate need for this feature, but I suspect it would make my life simpler next time around. -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 22:22:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: >I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file >mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it >after it's been successfully transfered. > Future releases of Kermit will have a MOVE command that will do this. In fact, the latest OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta edit has this feature, but so far no other Kermit programs do. >What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but >with a macro instead of get. > I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? >I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping >over file names selected by a wild card pattern. > We have this in C-Kermit. We don't have it in MS-DOS Kermit. >It would probably be >useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should >probably be a different step from the implicit looping. > In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 05:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 4 Apr 1995 05:36:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kyler Laird wrote: I hope you don't mind my hacking, but I thought I could add one or two ideas. >; PUCC_SLIP.KRM >; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp >; using C-Kermit 5A(191) > >;-------------------- >;variable definitions >;-------------------- > >;serial port number >def \%o 1 > >;machine name >;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu >def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu > >;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) >;def \%a 128.46.161.160 >def \%a 128.46.161.85 > >;login >def \%l laird > >;password >def \%p secret > >;shell prompt >def \%r % > >;--------------------------------- > >;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start >set line com0 You could also say SET NETWORK TCP/IP or anything else that changes the port from the one that SLIP.EXE is defined to use. > >;start SLIP.EXE >!start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts > I'm not sure that the -comN variable is needed if you have a properly configured SLIP.CFG file. >;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize >!slipwait > >set line slipcom\%o This could have been done without SLIPWAIT by using the following C-Kermit code: :waiting set port slipcom\%o xif failure { pause 1, goto waiting } >set speed 57600 > >;call PUCC I would replace this whole dialing section with a Services Directory entry. > >;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port >set line com0 I like to use the same port just so I know that the SLIP Driver was released. set port com\%o This will fail after the SLIP Driver is released. If you didn't know the address at dial in time, but instead were told it during the login statement, you would need to parse the incoming data for the IP address and then make appropriate calls to ifconfig.exe and possibly update the RESOLVE file at this point. > >;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. >; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. >; The following is just because I usually want to run >; telnet. > >; You could also add lines like >;!start EXPLORE.EXE >; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will >; automatically start after connection. > Good points. >;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) >net tcp/ip \%m > >;login to machine (again) >unixlogin \%l \%p \%r > Again, this is perfect for a Service Directory entry. >;present terminal emulation screen >connect > Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article , > Rick Mallett wrote: > : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix > : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all > : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by > : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: > : ... > : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can > : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload > : operation. > : ... [portion deleted] > : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. > : > Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the > C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) > exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after issuing a line similar to the following: kermit -C 'pcget file, quit' Any other suggestions would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:44:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:44:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lslkn$qe8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already : eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from : getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is : the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). : : make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" : : I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after : issuing a line similar to the following: : Oops, sorry, I meant -DNOCCTRAP. If there are still holes that you need to plug, please email me directly (cuts down on newsfeed delay). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:00:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mac hebrew support? Date: 4 Apr 1995 17:00:54 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? (and if so how easy is it for novices to use) i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 08:15:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!gs.dfn.de!zam103!min007.min!rolf From: rolf@minvax.min.kfa-juelich.de (rolf skowronek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad Press ?? Message-Id: <2096@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de> Date: 4 Apr 95 08:15:33 GMT References: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Sender: news@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de Reply-To: R.Skowronek@KFA-Juelich.de Organization: KFA-Juelich Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: min007 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu scvikevich@mhv.net wrote: : May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. : here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 : author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 : Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol : developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest : file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit : characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer : speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite : of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware : has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) : Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the : Frog. : ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM : recovers from transmission errors more effectively than : the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM : operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several : several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is : inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log : and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only : downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an : interruption means downloading the entire file again. : I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user : community. : Serge A couple of weeks ago a fetched the latest versions of Kermit for VAX and for PCs from Columbia. Frank da Cruz had been posting some hints on the various parameters to experiment with (block length, window slots, etc.), which turned out to be really valuable. With a VS3100 on the one end, a PC on the other connected by a 14400 compressing modem on a terminal server I had transfer rates of 1610 chars/sec on precompressed binaries. I am not convinced I've got the optimal setting bacause I did not experiment a lot - just followed Franks hints. When I connect to a local BBS using Zmodem, I dont't get any higher transfer rates either. But Kermit is not only a protocol - its a good terminal with many other facilities. I never had the need to continue an interrupted transfer yet but I am convinced Kermit will handle this condition well also. I have been using Kermit for many years and it turned out to be coping with practically every possible hardware configuration. My believe is if Kermit won't run - nothing else will. Rolf -- e-mail: r.skowronek@kfa-juelich.de From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 17:21:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 4 Apr 1995 13:21:57 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz: I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for this feature. [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send command.] -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 04:20:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:20:19 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95094.082019HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To CAPTURE VTxxx session (segments) to a file (E.g., VTXXX.LOG), without the VTxxx escape sequences imbedded, "take" the following MS-Kermit 3.14 script segment (thanks to Joe D.): ; Log session without Esc codes. Hot key toggle is Ctrl-PrintScreen. define WarnApnd Echo Note: Existing Session Log file VTXXX.LOG will, - Echo be appended until it's renamed or erased.\10, - run PAUSE assign \%u \Fsize(VTXXX.LOG) ; 'set printer' does not like null files. if equal \%u 0 RUN ERASE VTXXX.LOG ; So erase any zero byte log file. if exist VTXXX.LOG Do WarnApnd ; Notify about appending if necessary. set printer VTXXX.LOG ; ASCII session logging will be to VTXXX.LOG. Then after this script has been run, to toggle session logging to this file on/off, simply press Ctrl-PrintScreen. The resulting file, VTXXX.LOG in this example, when closed (or MS-Kermit exited) will contain an ASCII session log (excluding full-screens - E.g., VMS EDT screens) without Esc sequences; so (unlike unlike a file produced with 'log session') this ASCII session log cannot be REPLAYed of course. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 04:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 3 Apr 1995 04:06:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lns7n$3a2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu byteshifter (byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: : when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more : than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's SET FILE NAMES LITERAL in your .kermrc will do what you want, but also has some effect on path names, so that if you try to transfer /etc/passwd, you have to make sure that you specify an output name as well as the input name. And of course, if you transfer files to some system that doesn't know what to do with the filenames that you have under a smarter OS, it won't work. Transferring to/from a variety of systems, I find it easiest to leave the Kermit default as is, and rename the files later. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:50:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:50:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3luana$7s0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: : Frank da Cruz: : I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit : you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? : : I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred : mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. : Terrific. \\ffiles() works in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, but not in CMS Kermit. There is probably some other way to do this in CMS Kermit with REXX or EXEC. : In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get : each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example : in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). : : Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for : this feature. : : [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which : would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send : command.] : Kind of like what the ftp client and server do. Good idea. We'll add it to the list for future releases. For now, assuming the server is running on UNIX, you can simulate this with something like: remote host echo oofa.* > /tmp/x get /tmp/x and then use OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ to read the filenames into an array. Replace the above two lines with the equivalents for VMS, CMS, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:54:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mac hebrew support? Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:54:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3luavr$84t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? > I never heard of one. >(and if so how easy is it for novices to use) >i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, >there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew >e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... > It's totally practical with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, both of which fully support Hebrew terminal emulation. Unfortunately, Mac Kermit was orphaned years ago. We don't have access to the services of any qualified Macintosh programmers for further development (and bug-fixing) work. New volunteers (or cash grants to fund a development position) would be most welcome. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 22:57:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Rob kings <100443.2263@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: aborting kermit Date: 4 Apr 1995 22:57:25 GMT Organization: Renal Networks Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3lsisl$mmj$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help. I'm using an visual Basic VBX (PDQComm from crescent) to talk from a PC to a number of hosts (PDP11/VAX/RS6000) and using kermit on the host to transfer files. However if I try to cancel the transfer the host machine just keeps on sending. What character sequence must I issue from my VB code to make the host 'shut up'. I had thought that this sort of thing would be covered by the crescent documentation/support (since they advertise support for kermit protocol) but it isn't. Can somebody help (preferably by e-mail as it's more accessable) as I'm getting rather desperate. Ta Rob Kings -- If you can't laugh at it, what good is it? From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 20:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:51:00 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have the following script to telnet to my provider: log session set input echo on set terminal type vt100 telnet my.isp.com input 5 login: output myname\13 input 5 Password output mypassword\13 The telnet session opens, login: appears and the script just waits. I can manually login, but the script never sees the input. What am I missing? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:43:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 6 Apr 1995 04:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3lvrgq$lsi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: Try this: > >log session >set input echo on >set terminal type vt100 set net tcp/ip set host my.isp.com >input 5 login: >output myname\13 >input 5 Password >output mypassword\13 Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!pcliff Message-Id: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.uic.edu Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:37:26 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't open output file" Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago - ADN Computer Center From: pcliff@tigger.cc.uic.edu (Paul Clifford) Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have changed some settings, but can't figure out which. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 14:39:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't open output file" Date: 6 Apr 1995 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3m0uep$8c4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu>, Paul Clifford wrote: >When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the >message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a >file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, >but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have >changed some settings, but can't figure out which. > This means that a file was coming in, Kermit got the name of the file from the incoming file header packet, transformed the name (or not) according to your SET FILE NAMES setting, got the attributes from the attribute packet, and then tried to create a new file with the given name, in either the current directory or, if you had SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and SET FILENAMES LITERAL, in whatever directory was included in the incoming filename... and then failed for some reason. Normally the reason is printed using perror(), like: write access denied, disk full, or something like that. To rule out all of the above, run Kermit with its default FILE NAMES and RECEIVE PATHNAMES settings (namely, CONVERTED and OFF, respectively), and make sure your current directory is writeable and your disk or partition is not full. If you still have a problem, then the next question would be: did you install Kermit setuid or setgid? If so, did you follow the instructions carefully for doing this? If you still can't figure out what's wrong, email me directly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!sparkle!pwolfe From: pwolfe@mcs.com (Patrick Wolfe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:26:57 GMT Organization: Out Of, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3m1mb1$619@News1.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pwolfe.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit : times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I : am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to : /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) : ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. : Any hints ? Thanks. I also get this every time I have just disconnected from a host and want to dial out somewhere else. I've found that if I connect, let the "NO CARRIER" message get displayed, and drop back to the kermit prompt, I can then dial out again. -- Patrick Wolfe (pwolfe@mcs.net) From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 07:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 13:44:28 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > that is it implies that the equivalent functions > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > When I try the following: > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, > subnetmasks, etc. > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) > 3. run kermit 3.14 > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > I get the error: > Cannot access ip type packets > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting > > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to > initialize other stuff? > ---------- First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate product, MS-DOS Kermit. As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you skipped dealing with NET.CFG. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!jeeves.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!zykin From: zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get to modem on terminal server? Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:16:45 GMT Organization: University of San Francisco Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.usfca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me how to do this: I need to set default to a directory on my VMS system, start ckermit, and grab MODEM1 on a terminal server named DEC1, then use the modem on that terminal server to dial out. I can't seem to find a way to get to the modem. I tried SET LINE MODEM1, and I get "no such device available". Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? -- |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | | <> _ | | | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | | `--' | | will not grow longer. | ____|_ ___| |___.' | | /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 21:26:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!maroon.tc.umn.edu!crhertel From: crhertel@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Christopher R Hertel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 5 Apr 1995 21:26:12 GMT Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Summary: Dialing into service. Need to echo back. Keywords: script kermit echo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Inquiry: I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have done. I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information back *as I receive it*. So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). Any info on how to... would be appreciated. I look forward to any replies. Chris Hertel crh@ubiqx.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 13:03:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.190343.46739@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 19:03:43 MDT References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > ;In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, > ;Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: > ;>1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered > ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > ;> > ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. > ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using > ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: > > ; `eval resize` > > By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. > (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? > > (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. > This news server works quite unreliable.) > -- > - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista > Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI ------------- I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:39:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: C-kermit on Linux problem Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:39:28 GMT Lines: 14 Sender: tstevens@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. Any hints ? Thanks. Ted -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 03:36:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 03:36:33 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) wrote: > I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit >times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I >am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to >/dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) >ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. >Any hints ? Thanks. Ted, The dial-out devices in Linux are called /dev/cua0 ... 3 (for COM1 ... 4). [/dev/ttyS0 ... S3 are the dial-in devices (physically the same).] Also, if the port you're using (sounds like COM3) does not have the default address and IRQ, then a "setserial" command should be used in one of the start-up files (/etc/rc.d/rc.local is good) to provide the necessary information. And too, if it's really COM3 (cua2 or S2) you're dealing with, and it does have the default IRQ, then it's using an IRQ also used by COM1 (or maybe it's COM2) and there may be a conflict. See "man setserial"; the syntax is straightforward. I hope it helps. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 02:26:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 02:26:50 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3m27ta$hqr@pirates.cs.swt.edu> References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: : > : > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and : > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP : > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading : > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't : > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; : > that is it implies that the equivalent functions : > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? : > : > When I try the following: : > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in : > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, : > subnetmasks, etc. : > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) : > 3. run kermit 3.14 : > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu : > connect : > I get the error: : > Cannot access ip type packets : > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting : > : > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to : > initialize other stuff? : > : ---------- : First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate : product, MS-DOS Kermit. : As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP : stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). : You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give : plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you : skipped dealing with NET.CFG. : Joe D. Yes that was the problem all right. I had put the stuff in net.cfg but I had two net.cfgs and either ms kermit wasn't finding it or was getting the wrong one. Thanks for all who responded. BTW this is the best newsgroup I have seen for the 'experts' responding. You are to be congratulated and thanked. tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 06:47:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!mik.uky.edu!jpsum00 From: Joey Sum Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How about kermite/2? Date: 6 Apr 95 06:47:46 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nx43.mik.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the next release of C-Kermit/2? Thanks, Joey From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 00:39:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!clouso.crim.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 00:39:54 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit for DOS, How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 04:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 04:13:58 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3m2ena$4uc@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote: ... some stuff, but he had missed the fact that Ted said the modem was on DOS's COM2. If that's the case, Ted, you want to "set line /dev/cua1". /dev/cua0=COM1, /dev/cua1=COM2, et c. You probably won't need the setserial command since it's likely that /dev/cua1 is using the normal address and IRQ. FYI, the devices /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, et c. are also COM1, COM2, et c. They're for incoming calls; say you wanted your modem to answer the phone and have the caller be offered a login prompt ... then you'd run a "getty" on one of the /dev/ttyS1 and tell the modem to answer. Sorry I wasn't so precise the first time. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 11:44:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How about kermite/2? Date: 7 Apr 1995 11:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3m38jb$qmc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Joey Sum wrote: >Hi, > I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed >that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for >people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, >respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the >next release of C-Kermit/2? The real question is: "under OS/2 what do you gain by creating a vareity of version?" The answer is not much. The reason for the different version of MS-DOS Kermit is the DOS 640k memory limit. Under OS/2, this is not an issue. Executable code which is never used is never loaded. OS/2 C-Kermit already does have much of its TCP/IP is separate DLLs. One DLL for each TCP/IP product supported. These DLLs are optional. The savings of some disk space alone is not a good enough reason to have to support multiple versions. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:51:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3m3g0r$7gi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > With Kermit for DOS, > How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" > {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} > As explained on page 100 of the French-language manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages, ISBN 2-901143-20-2. and on page 85 of the English edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. the key is Alt-minus. That is, hold down the Alt key and press the top- rank minus key (the one that is between 0 and equals sign). This switches between graphics mode and text mode. NOTE: The French edition is also available from Columbia University. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:58:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3m3ge5$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: script kermit echo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu>, Christopher R Hertel wrote: : I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have : done. : Which Kermit program are you talking about? Since there are so many of them, it is always a good idea to say which one. : I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will : simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture : about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information : back *as I receive it*. : : So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo : it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I : know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). : Please pick up a copy of the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Read the chapters on script programming, especially the INPUT, OUTPUT, and LOG SESSION commands. These will show you exactly what to do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 12:58:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Set Key and LInux ckermit Message-Id: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:58:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI, I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the function keys. Is there a work around this situation? Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 16:54:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit Date: 7 Apr 1995 16:54:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function >keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the >function keys. Is there a work around this situation? > UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level scan codes. So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys, you have to do it outside of Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:49:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:49:11 GMT Lines: 232 Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am posting from Japan, and using computers with the programs which support the `kermit' protocol and Japanese Language. We kermit users in Japan have the newsgroup named fj.kermit which looks like this newsgroup in Japan. `fj' means `From Japan', so many articles are written by Japanese language (a Japanese font needs two or more bytes of code) that you can read them with some software which can disp Japanese fonts. About a month ago, some guys started to post silly messages to this newsgroup. We thought that they were mistaking this for the Kermit in the Sesami Street at first, so write them that. But they were not. They have been posting more and more silly and/or sexcial messages, laughing at us because our articles are written by Japanese which they can't read and understand. They ignoring our cautions. We Japanese kermit users are lost in thought. Please somebody stop their act. Do you know what we shall do? Thanks. The guys's e-mail adress are Lemonhead kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Magnolia Thunderpussy Jesus Christ and following are some examples of their messages. ------Ex.1----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!monju!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: 4 Apr 1995 16:09:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP ------Ex.2----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!wnoc-snd-ss2!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:43:23 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 4 Apr 1995, KERMELLA wrote: > Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > > just ignore them Kerm, if they don't stop soon will sic Ms Piggy on em HIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.3----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:14:59 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > >> Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > >> my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > >> body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > Why don't you post to: > comp.protocols.kermit.announce > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > More people can hear your report than fj.kermit.:-p > becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit I think I need to repost the FAQ -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.4----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: fj.kermit FAQ Posting ver. 1.1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:28:31 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 92 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FAQ FOR FJ.KERMIT 1. What does fj.kermit stand for? fj.kermit stands for FrogJelly.Kermit, not- I reapeat- NOT "From Japan" as some frog h-hating detractors would have you believe. 2. What is the purpose of this group? to talk about frogjelly and kermit 3. What's with these pesky people who insist that this newsgroup is supposed to be about some goddamn new-fangled Japanese program thinggy? They're on crack 4. Where can I get me a supply of that crack? It's in the water system of Illinois 5. What happens when you put the largest piece of Cap'n Crunch known to mankind in a testube of water, let it sit there until it decays into dirt, and then put a nice purty flower in said tube? I don't know. 6. Who the hell is this Mujibar Smedjkal? He is the well-dressed styrofoam boy that lives on our bathroom light. He watches me while I shower and it excites me. He also is conducting the Cap'n Experiment. 7. Who put the "bop" in the "bop shoo wop shooo wop?" Mujibar 8. Who is the loudest person in the world? Me. 9. I have a roomfull of empty pizza boxes, what can I do with them? Give them to me. 10. What exactly is "free stuff?" Anything you can grab, especially "slippery when wet" signs in Spanish. 11. What's the best breakfast food ever? Bacon, lots and lots of bacon. 12. If you can fool the mamma, and you can fool the papa, who can you still not fool? "The mirror baby" -Dick Vitale 13. How many people actually read this group? If you are reading this, one. I can't read. 14. What is the most effective put-down ever? "Your Momma", you can't come back from that. 15. What's your favorite line of Zulu poetry, Kevin? "I saw a great man who kissed me on all of my thousand cheeks, and I knew then that I would know him forever." 16. If George Washington and Abraham Lincoln where to get into an all-out fight, who would win? Lincoln, no contest. George was a sickly old man who was so weak he couldn't even keep his teeth in, while Abe was a rugged and scrappy lumberjack/pioneer who could build a log cabin with his bare hands. Abe also has the reach advantage. 17. Who is Yoda? A film star and our maid. 18. I can't seem to understand what the hell this group is about. That's not a question, so I don't have to produce an answer. 19. If God were a musician, who would he be? Bob Mould 20. What is the official language of this newsgroup? Red-blooded American English, and if you don't like it- Dave has a shotgun and a very large knife that might convince you. America also has the Bomb and Japan doesn't :p 21. How many questions are gonna be in this damn FAQ? Umm, tis is good, I'm tired of typing. -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ----------Ex.s end--------Ex.s end--------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 05:40:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Re: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.054056.11558@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:40:56 GMT Lines: 116 References: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is new example of messages from one of those guys. Plese note that Ex.6 contains Japanese code inside. -----Ex.5-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:38:08 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltsql$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > |becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: > |COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc > | > |This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit > No. > That's the best come-back you have? "No" ??? > Newsgroups begin with FJ.* means news articles From Japan. > Many other newsgroups which includes many articles from > japan are delivered to the newsgroups under FJ category. > fj.kermit is one of the newsgroup under FJ category > which is intended to discuss about the `kermit' program > used among computers. > # Not the name of frog, you love.:-) > says you. I've got a FAQ backing me, buddy boy. > |I think I need to repost the FAQ > I think that you'd better change your newsgroup to > ALT.FJ.kermit, ALT.FJ.kermit.the.frog or some. > I think YOU better change you group to anal.japanese.computer.geeks -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline -----Ex.6-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:41:00 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Apr 1995, KOJIMA Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?= wrote: > <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> $B$N5-;v$K$*$$$F(B > tss@a.u-tokyo.ac.jp (SASABE Tetsuro) $B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?(B: > > | In article > | kjm@yonka.ngy.mhi.co.jp (KOJIMA > | Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?=) writes: > | > || $B!!$d$C$Q!"(Bfj.kermit $B$O(B fj.protocols.kermit $B$H$+(B fj.net.protocols.kermit > || $B$H$+!"$=$&$$$&L>A0$KJQ$($?$[$&$,!"$h$$$N$G$O$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!)(B > | > | $B;W$$IU$-$G$9$,!"0l;~E*$K(B moderated $B$K$9$k$H$$$&$N$O$I$&$G$7$g$&$+!#(B I don't know what this is about cuz it's in that Pig Latin/Voodoo Hex language, but I DO know that whoever wrote it was talking about moderating this group or something. I tell you there IS a moderator for this group and it's Kermit D. Frog, with a big jar of frogjelly in his hand about to spread it on his toast- yes TOAST -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ----------Ex.s end---------Ex.s end---------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 03:51:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can send but not receive? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.095124.46913@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 09:51:24 MDT References: <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, sbrant@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set set up a file transfer script using DynaComm > from FutureSoft and C-Kermit on VAX/VMS and am having problems > receiving. > > I can send files in either binary or text format to the VAX > with no problems. However, when I try to receive, the transfer > ends almost immediately. > > I have also tried using Kermit-32 on the VAX with exactly the > same results. The transfer to VAX worked fined, but the > transfer back from the VAX failed immediately. ---------- I've not heard of DynaComm and thus have no idea of what it does. But the symptoms are that it objects to the file transfer to it. The standard diagnosis method is to log packets (LOG PACKET command) on each side so technical people can see who said what to whom. In the end, I think you will need to talk with the FutureSoft people about their program. Joe D. p to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, get BINARY file msvibm.zip. In there we discuss SLIP, and we also provide a SLIP Packet Driver. There is no TN3270 emulation at this time in MSK. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 11:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:36:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:35:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/ Token Ring/ ODI Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 14 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:42:24 +0000 Message-Id: <797168544snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has ANYONE managed to get MSK314 to work with ODI drivers running over a Token Ring network? In particular genuine IBM cards (TOKEN.COM). In the early BETA versions this worked fine, but since I got the final release the program ceases to connect :-(. I'd appreciate a look at copies of working NET.CFGs if possible. NB if the ODITRPKT shim is loaded THEN MSK314 works fine. But I wan to run it in native ODI mode. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 14:01:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get to modem on terminal server? Message-Id: <1995Apr7.100100.741@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 7 Apr 95 10:01:00 -0400 References: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu>, zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) writes: > Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I > have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? > your sysadmin has to declare the modem1 on the decserver as a lat service, and gife you access to it... it's in the doccos somewhere. see the dialout com file sniplet in the decserver's load image directory. need more, mail me. > -- > |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. > | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | > | <> _ | | > | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | > | `--' | | will not grow longer. | > ____|_ ___| |___.' | | > /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' i love that sig. /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:40:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:40:26 GMT Organization: S Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3m6e9q$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu where can I download the manual ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:45:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: . logon macros Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:45:10 GMT Organization: S Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a newbie. How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ? How to automate logons (to several hosts) ? Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 09:33:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.153344.46943@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 15:33:44 MDT References: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good > solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix > machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). > > This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, > but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: > > On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows > and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? Yes, of course. Note that Novell's TSU transitory helper simulates COM ports. Just choose another COM port and use SET PORT BIOSx in Kermit. > On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2) > provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP > link? Huh? What's the bottom end have to do with Telnet? PPP could care less about what's in an IP packet; it's just moved to the other end of the wire. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 01:04:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!winternet.com!interactive.net!usenet From: jvs@interactive.net (Joe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help using Kermit via dial up SLIP to telnet TN3270 Date: 7 Apr 1995 01:04:08 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3m2328$g6f@ns1.interactive.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: user154.interactive.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to dial directly by phone and emulate a vt320 and it works fine on the university VM system. However, I would like to use telnet. I have a dial up slip account and I use Trumpet winsock. Is it possible to use Kermit to control the screen and the keyboard while using a SLIP? I have the telnet address of the university computer but regular telnet does not work, they say you need TN3270. I figured Kermit might be able to work and emulate a TN3270. First, is it possible and do I need other software? Second, how do I do it? I tried and it keeps asking me for a "packet driver" but I am not running an ethernet card, I am using a modem. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:41:15 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dasilva@ccnet.com wrote: : I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have : the following script to telnet to my provider: : log session : set input echo on : set terminal type vt100 : telnet my.isp.com replace this with set port tcp/ip my.isp.com : input 5 login: : output myname\13 : input 5 Password : output mypassword\13 Add a connect if desired at this stage. telnet my.isp.com is equivalent to: set port tcp/ip my.isp.com connect which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:24:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:54:58 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3m8jmq$cdn@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert Ong (onglc@technet.sg) wrote: : Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client : in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer : as an ASCII/dumb terminal? : I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come : with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our : Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP : driver that does the same thing? There are 2 ways you can do this with MS-Kermit and Novell's Client Kit: 1) Run an ODI driver, and define a Protocol Kermit that uses a Frame Type Ethernet_II as described in the docs for MS-Kermit. (I can supply a couple of examples when I'm back at work, so email me if you want them). 2) Run Novell's TCP/IP transport (TCPIP.EXE) and do a SET PORT TELAPI host, where host is the name or IP address of the Unix machine. ftp.novell.com has updates for the Netware clients which are worth considering if your Netware client software isn't current. If your Unix host is running Novell's Unixware or other Unix supporting Novell'sNVT/NVT2, you can also load the client NVT.EXE TSR and use MS-Kermit with a SET PORT BIOS1, but you lose some memory and/or functionality compared with the 2 previously mentioned methods. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 14:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 9 Apr 1995 15:41:40 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. //Markus : Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 : "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." : "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." : OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 02:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Apr9.085902.46973@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 08:59:02 MDT References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > > Hi, > > Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client > in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer > as an ASCII/dumb terminal? > > I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come > with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our > Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP > driver that does the same thing? ----------- MS-DOS Kermit has an internal TCP/IP protocol stack. A "driver" is normally a handler of a piece of hardware or similar, rather than a large complex protocol stack. As Arthur Marsh points out in a previous reply, MSK can use its internal TCP/IP stack and it can run over the top of TCP/IP stacks from other vendors: Novell, FTP Inc, Beame and Whiteside. There's no need to be a truely stupid ASCII terminal in this situation. Use the sophisticated terminal emulation capabilities of MSK and have your Unix machine exploit it's terminfo/termcap. The results are worth it. VT320 is recommended, fall back to VT220 if the Unix machine does not know about VT320's. Please do review the documentation accompanying the MSK release because we try to explain many of these things there. Quick start kit is binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 17:14:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 17:14:06 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in advance, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 19:23:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!lloo From: lloo@uoguelph.ca (Leon Loo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Detecting CD via Script Date: 9 Apr 1995 19:23:58 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which would let me do this. I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0. Any help would be appriciated. Leon Loo Systems Analysis University of Guelph lloo@uoguelph.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 21:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:56:23 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when I try to get/send files. If I leave the lines: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect in my mscustom.ini file then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are and the send/get eventually times out. However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. A second problem: When I try to use either the finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit from the alpha after I've started the server there, nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. Any known problems here or is it just me? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 16:37:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:37:39 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m92gj$mi1@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: >which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows >doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. Thanks Arthur - this last bit of info was what I seemed to miss in the manual. David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 13:02:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Message-Id: <1995Apr9.190207.47027@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 19:02:07 MDT References: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha > which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit > terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when > I try to get/send files. > > If I leave the lines: > set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > in my mscustom.ini file One really ought not do a CONNECT in the startup file because that invokes the TCP/IP session right away, leaving no time to do local setup busywork. The session will timeout if you don't login/password at that point. > then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on > the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. > But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are > and the send/get eventually times out. This works perfectly, so we can guess there is more going on at your desktop than what you describe. Once C Kermit is in SERVER mode press ALT-X on your PC, then issue the send/get commands. Make sure no other macros or script commands have intervened to change the comms channel to a serial port. Do a SHOW COM before get/send to verify matters. I'll bet you have a SET PORT in there somewhere after the Connect. > However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini > and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I > start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone > tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon > leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. > > A second problem: When I try to use either the > finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit > from the alpha after I've started the server there, > nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there > is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. > Any known problems here or is it just me? Works fine. But.... If your Alpha is running VMS Virtual Terminals (VT types) then they normally don't sense the end of a session and quit; they persist and persist with C Kermit still running. Best to remove the VT support as a pain. FINISH does not close down connections, but BYE does. VMS VT's don't respond well when the application (C Kermit in this case) tries to shut down the link. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 05:38:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 10 Apr 1995 05:38:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3mag92$9cg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se>, Markus Hdrnvi wrote: >Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? > >My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. > Sorry, but No. PPP is implemented directly in the IBM Dialer. There is no external interface that I am aware of. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Modem diagnostic program? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:24:44 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: lachman@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? Hans Lachman From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:15:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!saclink1.csus.edu!sac87574 From: sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 03:15:29 GMT Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sac87574%@saclink1.csus.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 06:15:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: <1995Apr9.121553.46985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 12:15:53 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error > correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem > eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation > that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some > character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, > it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen > still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs > so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' > and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the > character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in > advance, > > Jeff ------- It's not Greek greek but rather IBM PC Code Page greek. That is, the high bit set stuff. The likely cause is reception of SI and SO control codes (^O, ^N) which cause a shift of character sets ("real" VTxxx's do exactly the same). Pressing the \ktermreset key, ALT equals, will put things back together again. The only sure cure is to get rid of the corrupted bytes coming in from the wire. A temp workaround is putting ASCII in character set working buffer G1 (to/from which the ^O/^N guys are toggling) via command SET TERM CHAR ASCII G1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 6 Apr 1995 00:00:57 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and successfully run it over Novell's LANWP tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading the documentation in seems to imply that you don't need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; that is it implies that the equivalent functions are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? When I try the following: 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in my mscustom.ini - such as domain, subnetmasks, etc. 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) 3. run kermit 3.14 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect I get the error: Cannot access ip type packets Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to initialize other stuff? Any help will be appreciated? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 11:32:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit(190) & Aix 3.2.5 (RS/6000)... Date: 10 Apr 1995 11:32:06 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mb4vm$dtt@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sometimes does funny things - Kermit process doesn't allow itself to be killed, it just stays in "exiting" state. This situation can only be resolved by shutting the RS/6000 down. And it sure is not the most elegant way to kill processess when you have dozens of users logged in. Anyone knows why this happens or how to prevent it? Regards, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Systems Manager Analyste Oy / Finland tel.+358-31-2133544 fax.+358-31-2227701 Email: Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Message-Id: <1995Apr10.093738.47069@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:37:38 MDT References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu>, sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) writes: > It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my > server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and > basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things > up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program > can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! ---------- Nice grumble, but what can we say to help? For openers, what programs (and versions) are being run on each end, what's the comms link like, and all those nasty detail things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:40:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr10.094040.47071@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:40:40 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Tom F McCabe (tm@astros.cs.swt.edu) wrote: > > : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > : that is it implies that the equivalent functions > : are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > You've just about answered one of my questions. > > I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but > not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes > with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows? --------- Sad but true. TELAPI and TSU are included only in the full product and not in the Client Kit. Novell management made that decision for reasons not explained to the customer base. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 16:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 16:58:04 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3mbo2s$b58@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Scott Hanson (sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu) wrote: : It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my : server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and : basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things : up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program : can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! Sometimes it's the only choice. For our IBM mainframes here, for instance. They have a "one way at a time" communications interface. That means Z-modem can't deal with it. John Price From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:38:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program? Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:38:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3mc8hh$bjp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? >Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? > >I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They >installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit >that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent >that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now >they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, >and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to >verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further >with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? > If the modem is hooked up and working, and Kermit is configured corrected to use it, you should be able to CONNECT to the modem, type AT and then press the Enter key, and see the AT letters echo, and see the response from the modem, either "OK" or "0" depending on its response mode -- assuming the modem has not been configured to no-echo, no-response mode. From the MS-Kermit> prompt, you can type "show communications" to see all of Kermit's communications-related settings (comm port, speed, etc) and the status of the modem signals, which are the essential clues. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:52:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mc9bc$d44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, Leon Loo wrote: >I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line >while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. > The command is: wait CD - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:10:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tuning Kermit Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:24:44 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine (system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90). When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about all we could do. Any hints? John Price Temple University NOC From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:04:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:40:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18703 (5.6