Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT Lines: 13 G'day, I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? Thanks, Binh. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 153 Distribution: World References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found > that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! > I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to > Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > Yes. But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. This is the first day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup. I hope it will prove beneficial to all Kermit users. To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip. . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z. VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:18:43 GMT Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign Lines: 23 Distribution: na I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. I send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the seconds are different? In any case, one way around this that would even be useful in other situations would be a FILE COLLISION setting which only transfered files that were newer by a certain amount. For example, if one issued the command SET FILE COLLISION UPDATEBY 60, then only those files that were newer by at least one hour would be transfered. Comments? Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:23:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Distribution: World References: <35jvj3$b0u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <35jvj3$b0u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. I > send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to > the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set > to UPDATE. ... > An OS/2 FAT file system records the time to a precision of 2 seconds, whereas most other file systems record the time to a precision of one second or less. This the file times for the same file can differ by one second. In this case, Kermit takes the conservative approach and transfers the file. Workarounds: (1) "touch" the file on the receiving end to force it to be newer (not recommended); (2) use an HPFS file system instead of a FAT file system. These comments apply also to DOS and Windows, but suggestion (2) does not apply :-(. Also, the latest version of OS/2 C-Kermit is 5A(190) Beta.23, available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. It works a lot better than the earlier Alpha versions. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!gmi.edu!ellis From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 19 Sep 94 01:25:10 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 29 References: <35i2ta$qgp@sundog.tiac.net> conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic >re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of >batch file transfers, etc. >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS >version available? >Thanks. > Harry C. The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place. The latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches. -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:30:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Distribution: World References: In article ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) writes: > conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: > >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as > >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived > >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the > >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic > >re-dial > No it doesn't. The dialing scripts that come with MS-DOS Kermit automatically redial for you. > >... the ability to automatically log-off on completion of > >batch file transfers, etc. > Not at all. Please read the documentation. MS-DOS Kermit includes a script programming language that lets you set up any automated procedures you like. > >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... > Well... That would explain it. Version 2.28 dates from 1986. We've been working on it for a solid eight years since then! (Has it been eight years already ???!) The current version is 3.13, and 3.14 will be announced for beta testing soon. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS > >version available? > > Harry C. > > The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was > watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place. The > latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches. > To clarify, the ONE AND ONLY source for Kermit software on the Internet is kermit.columbia.edu (which, indeed, at the present, happens to be the same as watus.cc.columbia.edu, but might not always be, so use the kermit name to be safe). Please don't pick up Kermit from other sites because we can't support it that way -- we don't know where it's been, what's been done to it, how old it is, whether the file sets are complete, etc etc. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux3!rf13 From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Request: Download Speed Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 33 I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps (I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem). Here's what I've done so far: - Played around with the packet length and window parameters. By trial and error I found that 4 sliding windows and a packet length of around 900 bytes give me the best speed with the least number of retries. - Disabled the modem's compression. This improved the speed by about 50 cps. - Downloaded several differend types of files (with no modem compression and 'set file type binary' given to both Kermits) and measured the cps. I got ~1300 or a .zip file, ~1550 for an ASCII file, and ~1150 for a unix executable. - By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is proportionally higher for the .zip file compared to the text file. So the ratio (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a .zip file (and even lower for the unix executable). So how can I improve the efficiency? I looks like Kermit is applying some sort of compression (or maybe binary->ASCII encoding? or both?) that is inflating the size of .zip files. Is this the case, and if so how can I turn it off? Is this a bug or a feature? :-) Thanks, Ramin Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Request: Download Speed Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:40:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Distribution: World References: <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> Keywords: Performance, Fast, Slow, Speed In article <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) writes: > I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while > downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. > The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps > (I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem). > Here's what I've done so far: > ... > - By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it > turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case > (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is > proportionally higher for the .zip file compared to the text file. > So the ratio (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a > .zip file (and even lower for the unix executable). > See my earlier posting. You have got the packet-length and window-size business right, but zip files and other forms of compressed files have a much higher proportion of control characters than do other types of files, and therefore incur a higher control-character-prefixing penalty, and so are transferred less efficiently. Also note that since these files are already compressed, Kermit can't compress them any further, and neither can your modem. However, in my experience, turning off Kermit's compression (SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF) or the modem's results in only a marginal improvement. The big gain comes in (a) (obviously) making sure you have an 8-bit no-parity connection (you probably do), and (b) telling Kermit to "unprefix" most control characters, i.e. all the ones that are safe to unprefix. C-Kermit 5A(189) or later and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later are required for control-character unprefixing. See the CKCKER.UPD file that comes with C-Kermit or the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit for details about this feature. For more detailed discussions of Kermit file transfer performance, please read the manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and/or "Using C-Kermit", and the articles on performance in Kermit News numbers 4 and 5, available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files newsn4.txt and newsn5.txt (ASCII, also .ps for PostScript). - Frank Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!cs.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Sender: news@cs.joensuu.fi Organization: Joensuu University Language Center Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT Lines: 17 Hello developers I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would like to see version 3.13 done as a windows program. Is there anybody out there working on it? Within a year or so DOS will be obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1. I know most people will not upgrade at once but DOSs days are numbered. Most versions kermit for windows that I have seen seem to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas. TIA Paul ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:47:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: World References: <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> In article <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows > winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I > would like to see version 3.13 done as a windows program. > Wouldn't everybody! > Is there anybody out there working on it? Within a year or so DOS will be > obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1. > Maybe, maybe not. > I know most people will not upgrade at once but DOSs > days are numbered. Most versions kermit for windows that I have seen seem > to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas. > That's correct. We don't recommend any of them. They are mainly "proof of concept" exercises with minimal functionality, and not well supported -- well... not supported at all. We, the Kermit developers, intend to produce a fully functional version of Kermit for Windows. In fact, we have always intended to do this. It is very high on our list of things to do. It is also a VERY BIG JOB, and therefore keeps getting put off. Meanwhile, we recommend using MS-DOS Kermit in Windows. We support 100%. It works fine, in a window, it can use all sorts of networking methods, including its own built-in TCP/IP stack, but no, it does not work with Winsock because Winsock is only available to fully 100% native Windows apps. There may be some new developments in this area in the next few months. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!ilium!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT & PCMCIA Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 27 Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with kermit ??? If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to use IRQ5??? Is there any tweaking necessary in any of the .SCR files and which do I use. So far, I've tried HAYES and the SPORT ones. I don't know whatelse to do. I get into terminal mode and he (the PCMCIA card) wont even speak to me in AT. thanks for any hints. baffled dwight -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!medicus!bill From: bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) Subject: Kermit for Windows/NT Organization: Medicus Clinical Data Systems, Alameda, CA Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT Lines: 14 Hello, I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to Windows/NT? If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here who would love to beta test it. I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. --Bill Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> In article <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com>, Bill Chinn wrote: >Hello, > >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? Currently, we recommend using the 16-bit OS/2 version on Windows NT. >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here >who would love to beta test it. There are plans to create an NT version at some point in the future. >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. When a NT version is created we will support the standard TCP/IP stacks. >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. >--Bill Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 with TCP/IP Date: 19 Sep 1994 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: World Keywords: OS/2, TCP/IP Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:13:01 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: "Bryan H. Hodgson" <0003627745@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: CKermit-OS2 w/TCP-IP In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:20 EST > I've got PC/Kermit working very successfully over TCP/IP to connect to > our Unix boxes while users are simultaneously logged onto Novell > servers. Great stuff. > Yup, thanks. > Now I'm trying to solve the same problem with OS2/CKermit. And I'm > trying to avoid springing for IBM's OS/2 product. Are you aware of > shareware or public domain alternatives for OS/2 TCP/IP drivers that > will work with CKermit? > Nope. This question is asked about 100 times a day on the OS/2 newsgroups, and the answer is always no. A number of commercial TCP/IP products are available, and OS/2 C-Kermit works with most of them. C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta works with the following: IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1 (C-Kermit edit 189 and later) IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (edit 190) Essex Systems TCP/2 (edit 189 and later) FTP Software's PC/TCP for OS/2 (edit 190) IP-Switch Vantage IP (edit 190) It does not work with Novell LAN Workplace for OS/2, although there is some slight chance that we might be able to add this support before leaving Beta. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. Unzip and run the install script (INSTALL.CMD). - Frank Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!iitmax!thssjyh From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:19:01 GMT Lines: 40 In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > >Thanks, >Binh. >-- You could use sz within kermit or Set following on both end of kermit set receive packet 2000 set windows 3 set con u all set con p 0 1 See DOC for correct syntax. You need MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A (189) or up But don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect (At least on our unix box) Jianqing Hu | Internet: thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu ECE Dept. Illinois Inst. of Tech. | Chicago, IL 60616 | Office phone: 312-567-6971 >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) > Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:50 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <1994Sep19.141901.3102@iitmax.iit.edu> Lines: 15 thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect > (At least on our unix box) This should fix the problem: set blo 3 which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!RICH From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Lines: 17 References: <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com> Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > >Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > >Thanks. >Mike > >(please e-mail me) >huzacec@telerama.lm.com Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:48:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: World References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: > In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > > Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me > (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) > Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit for DOS. There is MS-DOS Kermit for DOS (and Windows), and C-Kermit for OS/2 (and UNIX, and VMS, and ... and ...). The mere act of trying to ftp something does not necessarily make it spring forth into existence :-) But yes, once again, the definitive source for all Kermit software on the Internet is kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:55:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Distribution: World References: <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> In article <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors > > undetected (At least on our unix box) > > This should fix the problem: > > set blo 3 > > which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". > Yes, SET BLOCK 3 should always be used. It catches errors much better than the lower-numbered block checks, as explained in the documentation. For example, I once ran across a terminal server that actually swapped characters occasionally when its was under heavy load. Type 1 and 2 block checks (which are simple checksums) would not catch this, but type 3 (a Cyclic Redundancy Check) does. However (mea culpa) it should be pointed out that C-Kermit 5A(190) could introduce errors into incoming files if control-character unprefixing was used on the characters Ctrl-O, Ctrl-N, or Ctrl-P, AND the file actually contained these characters, AND the connection was a 7-bit, rather than 8-bit, connection (i.e. PARITY was not NONE), AND locking shift protocol had been successfully negotiated. This problem is fixed in C-Kermit 5A(190), which will be released shortly, and is available now for Beta testing. Folks, if you have problems like the one mentioned above, for goodness' sakes, report them! We support our work. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!news.miami.edu!spindler From: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:49:18 -0400 Organization: U of Miami/RSMAS Lines: 39 Distribution: world References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Reply-To: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found >that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! >I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to >Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? Assuming that your modem supports hardware error correction (MNP5 or LAP-M) then you can tune Kermit for quite fast file transfers. With error-correction handled in hardware by the modem, you can turn down the processing Kermit uses for error-correction. In addition, turn off the Xon/Xoff flow control for Kermit as it is unneeded. Increase packet size to the maximum allowed by your Kermit applications. The following lines added to your .kermrc might help. set send packet 9024 set rec packet 9024 set block 1 set flow none On the average, assuming a fairly clean phone line, I can download about 4Mb/hour. Your mileage may vary. There are additional tweaks that you can try regarding 8th bit prefixing, but I haven't got them to work just yet. You can also play with sliding windows, if your Kermit supports them, to increase throughput, but here again I haven't had much success with them. -- Todd Spindler |Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric Science TSpindler@rsmas.miami.edu|Dept. of Meteorol & Phys Oceanography /U of Miami --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beyond the ken of mortal men, beneath the wind and waves, / Lies a land of shells and sand, of chasms, crags, and caves, / Where coral castles climb and soar, where swaying seaweeds grow, / While all around, without a sound, the ocean currents flow... _Sign of the Seahorse_ by Graeme Base Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!opeo!iao.ford.com!jamulla From: jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and looking at the link without dropping the phone line Please reply to below address. Thanks in advance, John J. _________________________________________________________________________ jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1 Ford - Car Product Development Bldg3 2nd Floor #2638 (313) 337-9951 CAD/CAM, Dearborn, MI 48121 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!conover From: conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 20 Sep 1994 04:42:18 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 9 Distribution: World References: <35k7ao$9bc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Thanks to all for the pointers on Kermit FTP sites. I have it now. If 3.13 proves as good a piece of software as 2.28, I'll likely end up using it well into the 21st century. Again, many thanks. Harry Conover Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!homer.louisville.edu!jlmcad01 From: jlmcad01@homer.louisville.edu (Jeff McAdams (J McA)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 03:59:58 GMT Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 53 References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> In <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) writes: >MDESOUZA (mdesouza@wam.umd.edu) wrote: >: Hello All, >: I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. >: home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better. they have >: a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit >We at U of Louisville have an 'official' release of kermit you can get by >copying it to your diskette. It's got several scripts for it to ease >access to several systems (mainframe, vax VMS, unix). >For that reason, it's probably better to use their version and >installation process even if it's an 'old' version. The new versions >mostly have networking improvements that you're not likely to use. Ok, I work in the computer lab at the above mentioned U of Louisville. "Our" version of kermit is the latest that is released (we just released "our" 3.13) with scripts written to automate connections to our mainframes. On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at transferring files as kermit is. Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write): 1) They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures 2) Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer 3) They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give that out to users As a note for #2. Please keep in mind that kermit originally was just a file transfer protocol, and still can be used for that. Nearly ALL communications programs have a kermit protocol to use. Kermit was originally developed so that files could be tranfered without regard to what system was sending or recieving those files. Before kermit, ppl had to find a protocol that they had in common and fiddle with it to get it to work, after kermit, everyone just starts up kermit, and sends the file. VERY robust. So in short (yeah right, too late for that I know) kermit is a very good tool to have because if all else fails, kermit WILL work, but other comm programs could be better depending on your setup. I would suggest trying some out to see which fits your needs best. Personally, I use telix, but I'm not exactly a power modem user. (only 2400 bps in fact). Chill, J McA Hope I've helped and haven't run too long on the subject. Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 12:30:38 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 74 References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> Jeff McAdams (J McA) (jlmcad01@homer.louisville.edu) wrote: : On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on : comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at : transferring files as kermit is. Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. The *default* file tranfer parameters are very conservative, and must be changed to get high throughput. The update file that comes with MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail. With the host I download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast reliable transfers: set control unprefix all set control prefix 0 1 129 set window 5 set file type binary set receive packet 2000 ..kermrc is an initialization script that C-Kermit reads when first run. The first two lines above are what is new with recent versions. Kermit assumes by default that many codes, including all eight-bit codes, will cause problems with communication between the two machines. Since more than a few systems use 7 data bits, this is not an unreasonable assumption, and it allows kermit to work when zmodem would fail, by sending eight-bit codes as two (or more?) seven-bit codes. If your system supports eight data bits, then this is unnecessary. "Set unprefix all" disables all such tricks. The second line of my ..kermrc restores prefixing to only the three codes that cause problems on my host. : Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or : more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write): : 1) They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures : 2) Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer : 3) They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give : that out to users. I like using MS-Kermit as my terminal emulator, because 1. It provides excellent VT100 emulation. 2. All keys are reprogrammable. We have reprogrammed our function keys, PageUp, PageDown, etc. so that they work the same way in emacs and WordPerfect. 3. It provides excellent Tektronix graphics emulation, toggling into that mode automatically from VT100 mode. 4. It can be used with either serial/modem connections or with ethernet connections. With ethernet connections it supports multiple sessions. 5. It's free, so we can give it away to our students. Disadvantage: 1. It's not menu driven. For file transfers, I use Zmodem when connecting to BBS's, because most of these do not support the current higher speed version of the kermit protocol. When attaching to Unix hosts, I use kermit, because Zmodem is unreliable on enough Unix systems that I have tired of experimenting, and offers no speed advantage. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!strauss.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@strauss.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:21:54 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 43 References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> In article <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu>, Sigurd Andersen wrote: :In article <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so :: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application? ... :: :: I'm using Kermit v3.13 on Novell v3.11 server with the latest ODI :: drivers, and PCTCP v2.31 odipkt. :: ... :: :: --Jerry ... :: :Jerry, : An answer from the campus from which you sent your question -- :PC/TCP software from FTP, Inc. includes a program called TNGLASS :which does all the underlying packet handling, yet allows some other :program to provide the user interface. The DOS command to get these :to work together is : TNGLASS -E kermit.exe -F custom.ini :where refers to the system to which you wish to connect. :"-E" tells TNGLASS to use the following program as the user interface. :"-F" tells MS-KERMIT to use the specified INI file. : : This has allowed people here to make use of MS-Kermit's VT220, :VT320, and/or Tektronix 4010 terminal emulation, or to use the Kermit :for communications concurrently with other processes (e.g., FTP). Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!mcshub!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!muss.cis.McMaster.CA!not-for-mail From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Lines: 36 References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > >If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest >transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. This has been the subject of much discussion at my site. I can get about 1000 cps on a 9600 transferring a zip file to a 486 DX 66 Mhz pc without the good uart chip (16450 or 16550, I forget). I also added a kermit control file on the source computer. I forget the exact name of the control file (probably .kermitrc for a unix computer) set control-character unprefixed all set control-character prefixed 0,1,129,17,29 This is discussed in the documentation but I didn't fully appreciate the social economic impact of doing so. I think that kermit does something special with binary characters (prefixes them) which adds extra characters to transfer. I noticed that the number of characters that kermit was transferring was less than the block size. btw, this is done on the source (where the file comes from). As well, be sure to use long blocks (but not too long). My modem has 7k of ram buffer. A 9k block is too long, a 6k block is good. The set windows did nothing for me and I think it is for more internet transfers than modem transfers. Doug Fraser Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:26:02 -0700 Lines: 17 References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? > with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all factors that will also slow down zmodem. Last year's Kermit News had a performance test that showed Kermit superior over zmodem, and I haven't seen any counter-tests. If you convincingly measure zmodem to be faster, please publish. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS/V Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei Telecom. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:28:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: world References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Keywords: term In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) writes: > Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? > Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. But this is not really the question you wanted to ask. > I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit > all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and > looking at the link without dropping the phone line > The real question is: How do I use Kermit with term? Here is the answer, from the ckuker.bwr file that is being prepared for the forthcoming C-Kermit 5A(190) release: (11.3) USING C-KERMIT WITH TERM The "term" program provides an error-corrected, multiplexed connection between two UNIX systems, allowing you to run multiple applications over a single connection, for example several terminal windows and a file transfer simultaneously. Term depends on a communications application (such as C-Kermit) to make the connection and then redirect it to term's standard i/o. The advantages of using C-Kermit rather than other communication programs for this include: . C-Kermit's script language lets you automate the entire process. . With C-Kermit's REDIRECT command, term sessions are not limited to serial connections, but can work over network connections (TCP/IP, X.25) too. Here is an example showing how to set up a term session between two UNIX systems with with C-Kermit (assuming the connection has already been made by C-Kermit, e.g. by dialing up): C-Kermit> connect login: xxx Password: xxx $ exec term -r -s 38400 -A ^\c (escape back) C-Kermit>redirect term -s 38400 -A & C-Kermit>push $ Now you can run term clients such as trsh and tupload at the local shell prompt. - Frank Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Psion 3a Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:21:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: world References: <35mv65$pa9@ukwsv2.ggr.co.uk> Keywords: Psion In article <35mv65$pa9@ukwsv2.ggr.co.uk> w0400@ggr.co.uk (Wodehouse Lord) writes: > Has anyone though about a kermit for the Psion 3a? > There is no Psion version of Kermit in our archives, nobody has ever mentioned this system before, and I never heard of it. When posting messages like this: Is there a Kermit program for it might also be a good idea to include a brief description of the system -- processor, languages available, operating system, etc, so at least we could point you to something close. You can find a concise list of Kermit versions in the Kermit archive at kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a (or b, c, d, or e) in the files aav*.hlp, where * is a 3-letter phrase indicating how the file is sorted -- by system name, OS name, programming language, date, etc. There are presently about 450 entries in this list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 19:51:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:51:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Testing 1 2 3 Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35negk$q93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a test, please ignore... Execpt I'm wondering if any of my postings are making it out to the world, since all the questions I answered yesterday are being asked again today. Maybe it's just propogation delay. But I would appreciate a *few* replies (by email, direct to me at fdc@columbia.edu) to let me know if you have seen this message, especially if you are far away from New York City. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 14:26:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:21:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:21:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit questions.... Date: 20 Sep 1994 14:26:10 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu just a few quick questions about MacKermit..... does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released???? i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone else experienced this? what's wrong with it? hope someone can answer these! Later, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu With friends surrounded The dawn mist glowing The water flowing The endless river Forever and ever -"High Hopes", Pink Floyd. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 21:46:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:46:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 17:46:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MacKermit questions.... Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:46:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nl78$4sg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mre2$1224@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes: > does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released???? > No. As of now, and for the past four years or so, nobody has been available on the Mac-Specific aspects of Mac Kermit, at least not for enough time to take care of all the deficiencies that badly need attention before a final 1.0 release can be announced. Anybody who is already comfortable programming the Macintosh in MPW C and has a fair amount of time to devote bringing Mac Kermit into fold is more than welcome to step forward! > i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this > gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone > else experienced this? what's wrong with it? > I was able to fix this problem a few weeks ago. What was wrong was: a file-system call that used to work in Mac OS 7.0 and earlier -- all the way back to the very earliest Mac OS's -- stopped working in 7.1. Pick up the fixed -- but still not release-quality -- Mac Kermit from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text mode, file ckm190.hqx. Un-binHex with BinHex 4.0. Please also get the ckmker.bwr file and read it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 22:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:32:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:32:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Correction Date: 20 Sep 1994 22:32:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nntc$825@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Bug Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:06:24 EDT From: Frank da Cruz To: Sigurd Andersen Subject: Re: Testing 1 2 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:03:43 -0400 > In one of your postings, I think you inadvertantly included a typo > which might confuse some ... you said that C-Kermit 5A(190) can introduce > errors under some odd circumstances, and that C-Kermit 5A(190) fixes > that bug. The identical version can't do both ... > Right. C-Kermit 5A(189) had the bug. Previous and later versions do not. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 15:54:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:43:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:43:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!buzzard.eecs.umich.edu!rjones From: rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with expanded memory manager Date: 20 Sep 1994 15:54:00 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 7 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: buzzard.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it. When I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot of noise in the connection. Lots of beeps and missing characters, and there's just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are necessary. I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400 bps. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Is there any way to fix it short of turning of the expanded memory manager? From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 16:11:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:20:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:20:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!nermal!sthoemke From: sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu (Steve Thoemke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: specifying port number Date: 20 Sep 1994 16:11:57 GMT Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when telneting? Any help would be appreciated, (Steve Thoemke) sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:25:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:25:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: specifying port number Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:25:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nr0o$as2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35n1kd$o00@nic-nac.CSU.net> sthoemke@nermal.santarosa.edu (Steve Thoemke) writes: > I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when > telneting? Any help would be appreciated, > Maybe not :-) Mac Kermit -- any version (yours is ancient) does not make TELNET connections. There is no TCP/IP support in Mac Kermit. Perhaps some day. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:44:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:44:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:44:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with expanded memory manager Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:44:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35ns4g$c44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35n0io$ddt@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes: > Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it. When > I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot > of noise in the connection. Lots of beeps and missing characters, and > there's just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are > necessary. I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400 > bps. Does anyone have an idea what's going on? Is there any way to fix > it short of turning of the expanded memory manager? > From Joe Doupnik (author of MS-DOS Kermit): Randolf, Columbia rescued your query while I await Pony Express (sic) delivery of the new comp.protocols.kermit.misc group to my campus. Any year now. Let's take a few guesses. Expanded memory needs a 64KB chunk of upper memory block and you need to pin down where with a FRAME= command argument to your memory manager. Segment E000 is a common spot, but ensure nothing gets into A000-BFFF video. Do the same in Windows' SYSTEM.INI, [enhanced] section. And be generous with the "exclude=" phrases to protect your machine. Memory managers differ a lot about how a machine is switched between real and protected mode, and the switch is needed to make visible the big chunk of memory devoted to expanded memory (even though only a 64KB piece is visible at one time). If you have competing TSRs which use expanded memory (disk caches come to mind) then they will beat up on the machine. Print spoolers are well known hazards for comms programs. So you may need to do a little local tuning to minimize the interference. Next, be really sure there is nothing else using the IRQs of your serial port. Some network boards default to IRQ 3 (COM2), for example. There can be no sharing, else trouble. While doing this, check port address blocks for conflicts too; a serial port wants 8 port values starting at the stated base, say \x03f8, and overlaps with other boards are possible but fatal. Please do watch any disk cache because those gems gather bytes for a while then take a huge slice of cpu time (with interrupt recognition defeated) to hand them out to the disk drive. My suggestion is remove such caching, but you can experiment to see if that is the cause. You have probably read a lot about the 16550A buffered UART chips. They do work very well indeed covering up the holes created by greedy TSRs, and I recommend you investigate available boards. Kermit has supported that chip in FIFO mode for many years. For positively difficult outage cases you might look into more expensive serial boards which simulate a 16550A but with a 1KB buffer rather than the 16 Byte kind on the chip; the Hayes ESP board is one I use here. Finally, look out for other TSRs such as screen savers and keyboard helpers and FAX drivers. Each of them can cause trouble to serial comms gear. Joe D. [I would only add that MS-DOS Kermit works just fine with expanded memory turned on, on thousands of PCs that have 8250 UARTs, including my own, so the problem Randolph reports is not endemic to Kermit, but a peculiarity of his setup, an unfortunate byproduct of PC architecture. By the way, a big advantage of expanded memory is that Kermit can take advantage of it to store your rollback screens, so you can have literally thousands of them. Also... Be sure to read the section on memory management in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank] From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:57:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:57:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 19:57:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit and SET CARRIER Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nssk$cnl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mobr$ubl@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> mhemswor@acs.ryerson.ca writes: > In <35kvu0$i89@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, poa02@cc.keele.ac.uk (R. Kimber) writes: > >I have a new machine and am trying to get C-Kermit working, using COM2. > >When I try to connect I get a message something like "Carrier not > >detected". > Try "set carrier off" at the C-kermit command prompt. > It's all in the documentation. This is normal behavior. The question is, what do you want carrier to do? Most people want to know that the connection has dropped if carrier goes off. This is what Kermit is set up to do by default. The conundrum is: "If I can't communicate with carrier is off, then how am I supposed to make a connection?" Answer: the DIAL command, of course. C-Kermit's default CARRIER setting is AUTO, meaning that carrier is not to be required by the DIAL command (makes sense, right?), but it is required by the CONNECT command. If you don't want to use the DIAL command, but would rather CONNECT to the modem and type AT commands at it, then SET CARRIER OFF before giving the CONNECT command. But remember that when CARRIER is OFF, Kermit will not notice if the carrier signal drops. Version 5A(190) of C-Kermit gives you a message that pretty much tells you this story if you attempt to CONNECT to a serial device that is not presenting the carrier signal when Kermit's CARRIER setting is ON or AUTO. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:27:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:36:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:36:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!psinntp!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!brook!gene From: gene@brook.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Which is the latest Kermit for MacOS? Date: 20 Sep 1994 23:27:27 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Nntp-Posting-Host: brook.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi netters, I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was 0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93. In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6? Thanks in advance, -- Eugene Tyurin ( ITP, Stony Brook Univ. ) E-mail: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu ( MIME mail is welcome! ) WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 00:48:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:48:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 20:48:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which is the latest Kermit for MacOS? Date: 21 Sep 1994 00:48:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35nvt4$fp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35nr4v$rd4@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> gene@brook.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) writes: > I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but > found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took > the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was > 0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93. > In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6? > Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994 or later fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta. It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/test/text. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/test/text directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:47:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: Re: C-Kermit for DOS questions Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:47:45 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic : blocks? And where can that be obtained? try kermit.columbia.edu (anonymous ftp) the latest version for dos supports extended length packets and sliding windows. just follow the directions from there. -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:52:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:08:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: Re: "script" command in C Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <35i6s4$3is@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 23:52:39 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As a brief example, it is script expect send example: (logging into a unix machine) script ~0 ~r <- does not wait for anything, send a script ~w30login: me <- wait for 30 sec. for login; send name script password: blahblah <- wait (default time) and send password I recommend de Cruz's (sp?) using C-Kermit book. It is chock full of usefull stuff and examples for building c-kermit scripts. -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 13:14:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:39:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ftpbox!mothost!delphinium.cig.mot.com!reindeer!kreidler From: kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com (Joe Kreidler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending Binary Files Date: 20 Sep 94 13:14:47 GMT Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: reindeer.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have not had any luck. Thanks in Advance, --------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Kreidler 1501 W Shure Drive - Room 1315 Motorola Cellular Arlington Heights, IL 60004 kreidler@cig.mot.com 708-632-4656 FAX: 708-632-6519 network: an advanced version of "connect the dots." --------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 20:55:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:36:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:36:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:55:20 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu make sure you type set file type binary on both sides of kermit, host and local. -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 20:58:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:37:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:37:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newest Kermit Version???? Date: 20 Sep 1994 20:58:01 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <35nicp$5kj@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is the most recent kermit version made for IBM?? Please email me only...thanks! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 21:01:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:47:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:47:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit + Windows for Workgroups?? Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:01:16 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35niis$5q1@news.iastate.edu> References: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> <35ni7o$5hq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is the best kermit setup for use with windows. I seem to get alot of retry messages when I use these two together... please respond by email only! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:09:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:55:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 00:55:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:09:19 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 20 Message-Id: <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Chandler wrote: :: If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest :: transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a :: 14.4 modem. : :1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k, hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files. I have seen higher, but this is what you might expect with no obvious errors in your setup and zmodem or kermit with a bit of tuning. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 23:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 02:29:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 02:29:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:04:38 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 57 Message-Id: <35npq6$9a9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, Rick Matthews wrote: :Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, :but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions :of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 :for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. Let's say that having used both protocols for many years, both the old and current versions, both UNIX and DOS talking in various combinations, using all of the tuning you mention below... I've never seen any indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed data files, which is all I care about. I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent always eludes me. considering that my Kermit is always the latest and my zmodem is about four years old, I think that means there are some tricks and dependencies in getting the last little bit out of Kermit, and that zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. : :The *default* file transfer parameters are very conservative, and must :be changed to get high throughput. The update file that comes with :MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail. With the host I :download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast :reliable transfers: : : :set control unprefix all :set control prefix 0 1 129 :set window 5 :set file type binary :set receive packet 2000 A word about that, I believe that setting the packet size to about the amount of data you transfer in one sec over a reliable link (v.42/TCP) or about half that for an unreliable link (modem w/o error correction and bad line) is optimal. On most systems further tuning gives 1-2% at most. You may have to set the total buffer size up (set buffers) to get this with higher speeds. Going through *some* terminal servers I have found that keeping the packet size <=800 gives better performance. I set the total buffering (packet size * window) to about 5-7 times the one second throughput of the line. This is something which may help if you have a system which just gives bad throughput all the time. You may have 10-15 windows doing this, it works for me. hope these experiences are useful to someone. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 01:50:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:33:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news From: haymoree@newt.ee.byu.edu (Ed Haymore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:50:51 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.ee.byu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: | In article , | :1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. | Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the | order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical | limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k, | hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files. I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at 38.4k. How much overhead is there in V.42? -- Ed Haymore | AA6EJ ed@byu.edu | Linux -- a better OS than DOS. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 01:55:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 03:36:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news From: haymoree@newt.ee.byu.edu (Ed Haymore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 21 Sep 1994 01:55:06 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35o3pq$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: newt.ee.byu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: | In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John | Jamulla) writes: | > Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? | > | Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the | answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. | A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process | exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. | But this is not really the question you wanted to ask. Actually, I used to exit kermit all the time without hanging up the modem... for my Zyxel, the command "at&d0" tells it not to hang up when DTR is dropped. But now I run term with kermit's shell command (!) instead, often as part of my kermit startup script. -- Ed Haymore | Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side ed@byu.edu | and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 16:58:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:58:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:58:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Date: 21 Sep 1994 16:58:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <35poo3$pho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: FTP owns the board... Keywords: MS-Kermit TCP ETHDRV PC/TCP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use >Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better >throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. >The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer >performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the >goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it sounds like you already understand. Here's a clip from the the MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) : ------ Begin -------- Kermit always registers for the ARP and IP protocols. In addition, but only if you gave the command SET TCP ADDRESS RARP, it will also register for RARP. Remember the rule: ONLY ONE APPLICATION PER PROTOCOL PER NETWORK BOARD! That's why you can't run (say) PC-NFS and Kermit TCP/IP connections at the same time. Here are some hints for getting around this: . If PC-NFS comes with an Interrupt-14 redirector (similar to FTP Software's TNGLASS program), you can use that in conjunction with Kermit's SET PORT BIOS1. Not as good Kermit's built-in TCP/IP TELNET, but better than nothing. . You can experiment with the PKTMUX driver. This is supposed to let multiple TCP/IP stacks share the same network board. Nobody knows very much about this, and a quick glance at the user manual is more than a little bit scary. You can find PKTMUX on kermit.columbia.edu, directory packet-drivers/new, files pktdrv.exe and pktmux*.*. . You can install a second network board and give one to PC-NFS and the other to Kermit. This is actually the best choice -- network boards don't cost much these days, especially compared to value of the amount of time you'd have to spend futzing with the other approaches. ------ End ------- Hope this helps. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:05:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:05:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:05:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 17:05:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35pp3v$q0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jolomo@netcom.com (Joe Morris) writes: > On 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600 Kerry Schwab wrote: > > Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command. Suppose you were trying to > > recieve a file, you'd do "sz ", enter the kermit escape char, > > then type "REDIRECT rz". > Is this on the level? I'm using C-Kermit 5A(189) and don't have > the redirect keyword -- which version do I need > 5A(190). It's in Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). In the archive, see the file ckurzsz.ini. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 16:37:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:37:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 16:37:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!nntp.sunbelt.net!pc164-10.org.tec.sc.us!gfoley From: gfoley@org.tec.sc.us (Gary A. Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRTSCRN Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 15:46:47 UNDEFINED Organization: Orangeburg-Calhoun TECH College Lines: 2 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc164-10.org.tec.sc.us X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How to print screen? Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and back off but I need to print the displayed screen. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 21:04:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:05:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PRTSCRN Date: 21 Sep 1994 21:04:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35q75i$f0o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article gfoley@org.tec.sc.us (Gary A. Foley) writes: > How to print screen? Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and > back off but I need to print the displayed screen. > Explained on pages 82-84 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Very briefly, there are two ways: 1. Just push the Print Screen key. This is a DOS function, having nothing to do with Kermit. 2. Hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric keypad. This is a Kermit function. By default, it does not actually print the screen, but rather copies it to a disk file whose name is (by default) KERMIT.SCN on the current disk and directory. You can use method (2) to print the current screen on the printer by first giving the command: SET DUMP PRN to direct screen dumps to the PRN "file" (i.e. the printer). For additional details, please read the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:27:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 17:27:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!pavo.concordia.ca!j_yates From: j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca (YATES, JODYE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 21 Sep 1994 12:14 -0500 Organization: Concordia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo7.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? All help would be appreciated. Jodye. email:J_Yates@pavo.concordia.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 22:04:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 18:04:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 21 Sep 1994 22:04:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <35qakv$j59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Uhh, not a Kermit problem... Keywords: DOS CRLF WP Conversion Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, YATES, JODYE wrote: >Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is >that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns >inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even >recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I >load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so >the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit >downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? Uhh, I don't think this is really a Kermit problem. Standard ASCII format for DOS means a CR-LF (carriage-return+line-feed) at the end of each line, which translates into a "hard return" at the end of each line in WP terms. Any word processor worth its salt ought to be able read ASCII text in such a way that converts CR-LF combos into whatever it's internal end-of-line convention calls for. I've never used WP 6, but in 5.1 you can do it by saying Ctrl-F5,1,3. Hope this helps. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 11:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!jove!chrisl From: chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 21 Sep 1994 11:46:39 GMT Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jove.acs.unt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if I change them in that file. Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. -Chris From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 11:47:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:13:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.chalmers.se!news.gu.se!pew.psy.gu.se!psybk From: psybk@pew.psy.gu.se (Bjorn Kihlberg) Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Message-Id: Sender: news@news.gu.se (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: pew.psy.gu.se Organization: Gothenburg University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:47:04 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have : not had any luck. : Thanks in Advance, : --------------------------------------------------------------- : Joe Kreidler 1501 W Shure Drive - Room 1315 : Motorola Cellular Arlington Heights, IL 60004 : kreidler@cig.mot.com 708-632-4656 : FAX: 708-632-6519 : network: an advanced version of "connect the dots." : --------------------------------------------------------------- Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjorn Kihlberg | email: bk@psy.gu.se (C) All Copyrighted | bjorn@trillium.se From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 23:48:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:48:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:48:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Date: 21 Sep 1994 23:48:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35qgnl$psp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article psybk@pew.psy.gu.se (Bjorn Kihlberg) writes: > Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: > : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have > : not had any luck. > Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary > Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why? > It has to default to something. If you don't like it to default to text (as it does), then by all means put "set file type binary" into your Kermit initialization file (MSKERMIT.INI, .kermrc, CKERMIT.INI, etc, depending on which Kermit version we're talking about). - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 12:12:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files Date: 21 Sep 1994 12:12:30 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <35p7ve$9o4@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Kreidler (kreidler@reindeer.cig.mot.com) wrote: : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have : not had any luck. Tell the sending kermit set file type binary -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 23:49:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 21 Sep 1994 23:49:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35qgqq$q7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) writes: > I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get > the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will > use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try > it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but > repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ... > That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE command in MSKERMIT.INI. We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI. Then you won't get into this kind of trouble. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 17:09:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:50:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:50:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 21 Sep 1994 13:09:11 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 23 Message-Id: <35ppbn$cv9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35nq2v$bmc@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35o3hr$k0o@bones.et.byu.edu>, Ed Haymore wrote: :I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at :38.4k. How much overhead is there in V.42? Negative overhead, believe it or not. Without V.42 you send 10 bit/byte, with start and stop bits. With V.42 you use synchronous data between the modems, so you only have (from memory) about 8.3 bits/byte. Kermit generally adds enough overhead to bring the overall speed dow to the ballpark of 9.3 bits/byte, although fine tuning can improve on this somewhat. At 1700cps you are getting about all the modem can give you. I quoted 1550 as being a reasonable goal, compared to whatever the original poster mentioned (1400?), rather than as an absolute limit. I don't doubt that you can get a bit more if you work at it. For compressed files I would not expect going above 19.2 to help, but if you are running v.42bis (compression in the modem) you can get speeds up to 115.2k (but more like 45k on any data I've thought was "typical"). -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 00:37:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:19:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 01:19:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Date: 22 Sep 1994 00:37:58 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-Id: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? I load the packet driver with this command: C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com MS-Kermit>connect Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting ?Cannot start the connection. MS-Kermit> I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250 and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13? And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen in love with it! The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft Windows. The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb, as well. Thanks for your help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 19:29:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:08:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:08:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet From: phelanp@ins.infonet.net (Patrick Phelan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 21 Sep 1994 19:29:59 GMT Organization: INS Info Services, Des Moines, IA USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Reply-To: phelanp@ins.infonet.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ins.infonet.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13 to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ? I keep trying to get this to work, but never have enough time to really see it through. Thanks in advance for any ideas! -PatP From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 19:56:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:20:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:20:55 -0400 Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 19:56:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994. For your newsgroups file: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. The charter, culled from the call for votes: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 00:34:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 04:40:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 04:40:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!et.tudelft.nl!jbrhebergen From: jbrhebergen@et.tudelft.nl Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit/SLIP/modem <-- Question! Message-Id: <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Date: 22 Sep 94 02:34:12 +0200 Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with a 14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university. How do I go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our sys admin says no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver right? and set some kermit settings, right? Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? Thanks! Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ J.B. Rhebergen (JayBee) tel: +31 15 144660 M. Gouweloospoort 8 fax: +31 15 144660 (phone first) 2611 JN Delft e-mail-1: JBRHEBERGEN@et.tudelft.nl The Netherlands e-mail-2: rheberg@morra.et.tudelft.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:37:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:24:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 07:24:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de!applsrv!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 22 Sep 1994 07:37:07 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 52 Message-Id: <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >it uses from my old to my new system. [......] >On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >If I start Kermit under Windows, everything works just fine, but then >the serial ports just look like 8250's and all benefits of high speed >UARTS are therefore lost. In another usegroup (can't rem. exact name, something like "ms-windows.comm") someone posted a Microsoft info file that sayed 16550A support for *DOS programs* is a new feature of WfW 3.11 that Win3.1 did not have. [....] >Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new problems now: (1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a 2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine. (2) I used to run my connection with 19200 Baud before. This is still possible with my new PC in terminal mode and when transferring "non-binary" files, however when I try to download zip-Files I get lots of retries. No problem with 9600 Baud. The 19200-Baud problem is independent of whether or not I start Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit (Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are better). So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, 16550A and Kermit. Thanx in advance Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 12:38:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:38:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 08:38:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit/SLIP/modem <-- Question! Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:38:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35rtrq$q6s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep22.023412.4321@tudedv.et.tudelft.nl> jbrhebergen@et.tudelft.nl writes: > I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with > a 14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university. > How do I go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our > sys admin says no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver > right? and set some kermit settings, right? > Right. From the KERMIT.HLP file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 diskette: MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps: 1. SET PORT 1 (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection). 2. SET SPEED 19200 (or whatever speed you will be using) 3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE) Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection! SLIP and Xon/Xoff are incompatible with each other. 4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be providing SLIP service. Determine the IP address and other information (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you. Normally, these are displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode. 5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit. The connection is left open. 6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example: slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200 7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again. Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the serial port where SLIP is running. Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS, SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands. Then, to make a connection, use SET PORT TCP
, where
is the IP hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to. Note: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for example, Cisco terminal servers can do this). Also, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:01:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:01:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:01:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:01:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35rv72$r0c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> phelanp@ins.infonet.net (Patrick Phelan) writes: > Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13 > to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ? I keep trying to get this to > work, but never have enough time to really see it through. > Not to my knowledge, although we have had quite a few inquiries about it. We do not have an Intel modem on hand, nor any documentation. If we had the documentation, we could easily adapt one of the existing modem dialing scripts. So could you. Here is our current collection of modem scripts: Modem Type DOS Filename Internet * AT&T DataPort 14400 DATAPORT.SCR kermit/a/msmdatap.scr * Boca 14.4 Faxmodem BOCA.SCR kermit/a/msmboca.scr * Digicom Connection144+ CONN144P.SCR kermit/a/msmc144p.scr Hayes 1200 or 2400 HAYES.SCR kermit/a/msmhayes.scr * Hayes Ultra 144 ULTRA144.SCR kermit/a/msmultra.scr * Multitech MT1432 MT1432.SCR kermit/a/msmmt1432.scr * Penril Alliance V.32 PENRIL.SCR kermit/a/msmpenril.scr * Practical Peripherals PP14400.SCR kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr Rolm CBX DCM ROLM.SCR kermit/a/msmrolm.scr * SupraFAXmodem V.32bis SUPRA.SCR kermit/a/msmsupra.scr * Telebit QBlazer V.32 QBLAZER.SCR kermit/a/msmqblazer.scr * Telebit T3000 V.32bis T3000.SCR kermit/a/msmt3000.scr * US Robotics Sportster SPORT.SCR kermit/a/msmsport.scr Vadic VA2400PA VA2400PA.SCR kermit/a/msmva2400.scr ** VIVA 2442ef FAX/MODEM VIVA.SCR kermit/a/msmviva.scr * Wang 14/14i or 14/14e WANG14.SCR kermit/a/msmwang14.scr * Zoltrix Platinum 14400 PP14400.SCR kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr * Zoom Telephonics 14400 ZOOM.SCR kermit/a/msmzoom.scr * ZyXEL 1496 ZYXEL.SCR kermit/a/msmzyxel.scr The ones marked with a single asterisk are for high-speed modems. They are all constructed more or less according to the following steps: 1. Get out your modem manual. 2. Determine the highest speed at which your modem "autobauds", i.e. at which you can type "AT" and carriage return, and the AT echoes, and the modem prints OK. Hopefully this will be 57600 or 38400. Include a SET SPEED command for this speed. 3. Make sure the modem is set to echo and to return word result codes. The commands are usually E1 V1 Q0. 4. Make sure your modem is set to hang up when the computer turns off the DTR signal. The command is usually something like &D2. 5. Make sure your modem is set to turn off its DCD (Data Carrier Detect) signal if the connection drops. The command is usually &C1. This doesn't actually make any difference in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and earlier, but it's good practice, and can be used with SET CARRIER ON in future releases of MS-DOS Kermit. 6. Issue the commands to enable modulation negotiation starting at the highest level your modem supports (V.34 or V.32bis), and working down. The commands are highly modem-specific. Unnecessary for modems that do this automatically based on the interface speed. 7. Enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control. This is ESSENTIAL when using error-correcting modems. Again, the command is modem-specific. 8. Make the modem pass the BREAK signal through transparently. 9. Enable error correction with fallback, preferably V.42 with fallback to the various MNP levels. 10. Enable data compression with fallback, preferably V.42bis with fallback to the various MNP levels. 11. IMPORTANT: Enable "automatic speed buffering", i.e. make sure the modem's interface speed is fixed, i.e. does not change in response the modulation negotiation. 12. Using any of the high-speed modem scripts as a template, substitute your modem's commands for the ones in the script. 13. Check the remainder of the script to make sure the modem responses used there agree with those given by your modem (CONNECT, BUSY, NO DIALTONE, etc). 14. Include comments saying what each command does. 15. Test your script thoroughly, then send it by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu so we can add it to our collection. In the comment section, unless you have strenuous objections, include your name and e-mail address in case questions come up later. That should do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:28:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:42:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 12:42:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!cederman From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Subject: Uploading Text files Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: armstrong.cs.buffalo.edu Organization: UB X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 13:28:46 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello again, Here I am to talk about my solution for the problem with Qmodem/Zmodem. If you change your protocal to Kermit and use Kermit to upload Text files... You will not have any problems. And don't worry about a 0.0001 seconds of time one way or the other. (cederman) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 17:56:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:29:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 14:29:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Date: 22 Sep 1994 17:56:06 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 35 Message-Id: <35sgfm$onn@news.ysu.edu> References: <35qgqq$q7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright >Christian P) writes: >> I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get >> the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will >> use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try >> it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but >> repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ... >> >That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE >command in MSKERMIT.INI. > >We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of >your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI. > >Then you won't get into this kind of trouble. > >- Frank > >x >x >x > It could also be that if you are using MSKERMIT.INI in a non-PC clone MSDOS environment. There is a minor bug in older MSKERMIT.INIs that will never take MSCUSTOM.INI if MSKERMIT determines it is not being called from a Kermit that identifies itself as IBM PC version. I sent Frank the fix a while back. I imagine it is in the lastest release? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 16:47:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:28:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 16:28:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Redialing, Divide overflow error Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:47:13 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 43 Message-Id: <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying. I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack. I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts. Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script: ____________________________________________________________ :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. ;*********************************** ;*lets stretch out the retry count* ;*********************************** ;set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. set count 500 ; my count echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL ;set alarm 30 ;pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. ;**************************************** ;*lets be quicker about redials an so on* ;*alarm and pause number should be = * ;**************************************** set alarm 3 pause 3 if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 -------------------------------------------------------------- -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 03:27:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:35:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:35:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 22 Sep 1994 03:27:31 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> <35lmnu$pp9@hermes.louisville.edu> <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <35npq6$9a9@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : In article <35mkle$m0t@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, : Rick Matthews wrote: : :Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files, : :but current versions are not. If you are using the current versions : :of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13 : :for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem. : I've never seen any : indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed : data files, which is all I care about. : I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files : and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent : always eludes me. I just transferred a GIF file and a text file, each about 180Kbytes. On the GIF file, I timed Kermit at 96.5% of zmodem speed, close to your experience with compressed files. For the text file, Kermit was 106.2% of zmodem speed. : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 02:14:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 17:49:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini' Message-Id: <1994Sep22.081422.27598@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 08:14:22 MDT References: <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35p6ev$38e@hermes.unt.edu>, chrisl@jove.acs.unt.edu (Lambright Christian P) writes: > I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get > the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will > use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try > it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but > repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that > there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the > kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if > I change them in that file. > Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a > vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable? > Any help will be appreciated. > Thanks. > -Chris ---------- Perhaps the name "kermit.ini" is the culprit. MS-DOS Kermit expects name MSKERMIT.INI; that's built into the program. That file, in turn, can contain a line saying TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI and so on. Joe D. P.S. This group has just appeared in my (Utah State Univ) News reader so I can now follow the conversations (or make a good try). Realize that News may take one (my case) or two days to reach outlying districts. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 13:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:21:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Sep 1994 23:21:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 22 Sep 1994 23:00:48 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line: Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to work with BNU loaded on COM2:. Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 02:22:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 01:50:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 01:50:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Message-Id: <1994Sep22.082245.27601@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 08:22:44 MDT References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca (YATES, JODYE) writes: > Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is > that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns > inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even > recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I > load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so > the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit > downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? > > All help would be appreciated. > > Jodye. --------- Word processor files are NOT TEXT(!), they are pure data for that particular program. Which means they are loaded to the gills with binary formatting and whatnot material throughout. Treat such files as BINARY. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 23:31:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:04:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 02:04:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: ramon@gcti.com (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: man page for kermit? Date: 22 Sep 1994 18:31:48 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a man page for kermit somewhere?? -Ramon Herrera GCT, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 12:11:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:37:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:37:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:11:54 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35rsaa$1dj@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu YATES, JODYE (j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca) wrote: : Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is : that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns : inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even : recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I : load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so : the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit : downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? You need to do a little homework to find out how your files differ from standard ascii, and whether the hard returns exist in the original file. On a UNIX system you can use the command xd -c filename to view the file byte by byte, including control codes and codes greater than 127. If you see \n (linefeed) scattered through your text, the hard returns are already there, so you may be stuck. If there are other problems, you have a couple of options. The UNIX "col" command will strip backspaces and reverse line feeds from the file. If there are other control codes that are giving WordPerfect a hard time, I have a short Fortran program that strips all control codes except newline and all eight-bit codes from your file. It also corrects for backspaces, leaving only the "topmost" character in the file. The program does use the functions "getc" and "putc" for single character I/O. These commons are available on many systems, but are certainly not standard Fortran and may not be available on your system. It would be a piece of cake for a C programmer to translate program, and getc and putc are standard in C. If you are interested, I'll email it to you. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:26:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:44:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 04:44:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!qiongw From: qiongw@srvr1.engin.umich.edu (greek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:26:37 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 4 Message-Id: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: greek.engin.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? How can I prevent this? Thanks! -Joan From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:08:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:13:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:13:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Computer hangs when line is dropped. Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:08:26 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 37 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35sroa$26u@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35plgl$ldg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >> new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >> as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >> >This kind of thing is most typically caused by a system peculiarity: > . Noisy bus. As I said two other comm programs have absolutely no troubles using this setup: Linux (minicom to be precise) and Terminate. > . A TSR that is grabbing interrupts that Kermit is supposed to see; > unload all your TSRs, drivers, etc, to isolate the problem. Done that, and again, other programs do work. > . A buggy modem. Many internal modems have been known to cause this > kind of behavior -- please read the KERMIT.BWR file. I still have the external modem, the same as with the old system. >Also, be sure you are using the current version of Kermit, 3.13, at >the current patch level, which is 21. Used that one. The symptoms I experience are the same as those reported in another follow-up to my questions: 1. Sometimes the computer locks immediately when Kermit starts 2. But more often it hangs when the line is dropped by the modem BTW although I have a PCI system, the multi-i/o card is 16-bit ISA. Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 11:27:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:16:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:16:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: <1994Sep22.172755.27645@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 17:27:55 MDT References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but > it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP > packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > > I load the packet driver with this command: > > C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 > > After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to > the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: > > MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com > MS-Kermit>connect > Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting > ?Cannot start the connection. > MS-Kermit> > > I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 > driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a > TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer > version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of > the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from > memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. ------------ Ok, folks. I have the answer to the puzzle. SLIP8250.COM v11.x is broken compared to earlier releases. In particular it fails to support the request to obtain a hardware/MAC address. Older versions said none, but no error, for slip. The v11.7 code does not seem to even want to discuss the matter and returns an error for the function request. Kermit sees the error response and bails out. Suggestions and workarounds. For the moment I suggest one of: - trying Etherslip, which makes an Ethernet framed pkt to the app and adds a fake Ethernet address for inquiring apps. I haven't tried v11.x yet. - go back to SLIP8250.COM v9.x (the one without a transmit buffer, which will be my rewrite to work solidly, see below), - wait til we shove MSK v3.14 out the door with a workaround just written to deal with this Crynwr v11.x problem. Etherslip is file ethersl.com. Same core material as my stuff. I placed a copy of my v9.1 SLIP8250.COM program in directory kermit on netlab2.usu.edu in case you can't find a pre-v11.x copy. I don't want to mix this with the v11.x archive for obvious reasons. Joe D. P.S. Russ: let's unbreak SLIP8250 please. Tnx. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:38:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:37:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!uchinews!iitmax!thssjyh From: thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:30:39 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >>it uses from my old to my new system. >[......] >[....] > >>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? > >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new >problems now: > Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot of BIOS or mother board problems. Your best bet is return to your dealer and ask for a New BIOS or exchange for a new board. One of my friend is a PC technician for a local PC store and he told me this point. He himself bought a system and Windows wouldn't run if there was a 5.25" floppy drive. He changed the board and the problem is gone. However , the newer BIOS , the new board still has trouble to send strings to COM port and as a result, comm program's auto dialer won't work for most of time and zmodem never works. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 15:07:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:46:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 05:46:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!erin.utoronto.ca!tuzo.erin!aveglio From: aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) Subject: Kermit under Telix terminal program Message-Id: Sender: news@credit.erin.utoronto.ca (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: tuzo.erin Organization: Erindale College, University of Toronto, Canada Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:07:00 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out without transfering anything. All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. Many Thanks Andrew _ __ Andrew Veglio / \ / /\ aveglio@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Micro/Electronics Department / ^ \ / / / (905)828-3715 University of Toronto / ___ \/ / / CANADA Erindale College, Room 2004 /_/ __\__/ / \_\/ \___/ -- _ __ Andrew Veglio / \ / /\ aveglio@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Micro/Electronics Department / ^ \ / / / (905)828-3715 University of Toronto / ___ \/ / / CANADA some of those require a matching terminating sequence before proceeding, and some can turn on transparent printing (a favorite way of hanging the machine until DOS itself finally gives up trying an unavailable printer). Modems ought not do this, but there we are. To try bypassing the problems, try a) press ALT = to reset the terminal emulator, b) issue hangup at the Kermit prompt to get there first. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 17:00:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:04:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu (Rob Gibson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:00:39 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 5 Sender: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu Message-Id: <35sd7n$1p8@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <35q1jn$nbs@insosf1.infonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have never had a problem using kermit with my Intel 400/i. I have the 400/i set to use com1 and hardware flow control and I have kermit set to use RTS/CTS flow control. -- Rob Gibson ARPA: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 04:57:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 07:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SLIP8250 Message-Id: <1994Sep22.105724.27621@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 10:57:24 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) > >Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > >I load the packet driver with this command: > >C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600 > >After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to >the MS-Kermit prompt and do this: > >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com >MS-Kermit>connect >Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting >?Cannot start the connection. >MS-Kermit> > >I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7 >driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a >TCP/IP connection without any problem. What's different about the newer >version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. > >Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250 >and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13? > >And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen >in love with it! The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the >built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to >access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine >with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft >Windows. The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb, >as well. > >Thanks for your help. >Jim Monty >monty@indirect.com ----------- I may have to reissue the SLIP8250 Packet Driver I wrote and then someone modified for the latest Crynwr release. What I did worked fine here. But I have received reports from others that the latest Crynwr edition has troubles. We will have to see how to offer my item without introducing confusion in the PD arena. [Russ, if you are reading this lets get together and solve the problem.] Joe D. tart Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent >of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit >(Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances >of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are >better). Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program. >So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, >16550A and Kermit. The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines, SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out. Joe D. >Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de >Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 >Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 >85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:43:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:44:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:44:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:43:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. > Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is > unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is > essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. > Matter of preference. If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right. On the other hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket. This is an old and neverending debate and there's no right or wrong. In many situations, Zmodem is just fine -- particularly in the BBS world where one does not find the many obstructions that exist on mainframes and minicomputers, networks, and so on. It works out of the box, and goes fast. But as soon as you bring multiuser computers, terminal servers, networks, PADs, IBM mainframes, and assorted other factors besides just two PCs and two modems into the picture, users have to do just as much tuning to get Zmodem to work as Kermit users have to do to get Kermit -- which already works in these environments -- to go fast. It's not worth arguing about. When there are variables -- like word size, packet length, window size, etc -- they must have defaults. If you don't like the defaults, you can change them. This applies equally to Kermit and to Zmodem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:48:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:48:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:48:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upr3$a2d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> qiongw@news-server.engin.umich.edu (greek) writes: > I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower > case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? > How can I prevent this? Thanks! > Read in the documentation about the SET FILE NAMES command. By default, Kermit converts filenames into an innocuous "canonical" form during transfer, so as not to upset receiving systems that might not support lowercase letters, multiple dots, wierd punctuation, etc. If you don't want Kermit to do that, simply tell it not to. You already must have done something with the file names, because UNIX C-Kermit (including Linux), unless you tell it otherwise, converts the incoming "canonical form" (uppercase) filenme back to lowercase. So if you had not messed with the defaults, you probably would not have wound up with uppercase filenames. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:50:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:50:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:50:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:50:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35upvt$a6p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: > I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol > as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system > using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it > does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. > I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 > Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out > without transfering anything. > All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit > is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. > Try MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix. If it works and Telix doesn't, then report the problem to the Telix people. If MS-DOS Kermit doesn't work either, then report it to kermit@columbia.edu and we'll be glad to help. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:53:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:54:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:54:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: man page for kermit? Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:53:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35uq61$acb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <199409222327.TAA20123@vega.gcti.com> ramon@gcti.com (Ramon F Herrera) writes: > Is there a man page for kermit somewhere?? > Since you say "man page", you are probably referring to UNIX C-Kermit? Of course there's a man page. It comes with C-Kermit. If you ordered it from us on tape or cartridge, it's there with all the other files. If you ftp'd the ckuXXX.tar.Z file, it's in the tar archive. The name of the man page file is ckuker.nr. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 16:19:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:19:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:19:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem Sharing Over TCP/IP Date: 23 Sep 1994 16:19:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Distribution: World Message-Id: <35uv5o$fs4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35sr7b$6fk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:66334 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35sr7b$6fk@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article , Will Estes > wrote: > >: I use cisco terminal servers, and have a modempool setup on the > >: cs500. I am sure other terminal servers are perfectly capable of > >: doing the same. > >: Anyone can telnet to the IP address and gets the next modem in the > >: rotary. > >So how would this help to redirect COM1 on a DOS or Windows machine > >to the modem pool? > > ... Under DOS you could run ms-kermit over > a packet driver and telnet to the modem's IP address, then chat with > the modem to dial out. A little extra work but since kermit's dialers > are done with scripts anyway you could hide it all if you want. > Yup. Also, C-Kermit (for UNIX, OS/2, VMS, AOS/VS, and Stratus VOS) supports this too, in a very natural way. First you "set host" to the terminal server, then you "set modem" to the appropriate modem type, and then you dial. Real easy. See "Using C-Kermit", Chapter 3, especially p.74, for further details. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x (Apologies for the x's - my news program made me do it...) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 01:12:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:11:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:11:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!duke.usask.ca!lowey From: lowey@duke.usask.ca (Kevin Lowey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:12:59 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 48 Message-Id: <35ta2r$smc@tribune.usask.ca> References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duke.usask.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Chandler (chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu) wrote: : Steven Patrick Iltis (iltiss@rice.edu) wrote: : : Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? : No, they are different protocols. True, they are different protocols, but it is also true that you can use rz and sz with kermit, if you use an external Zmodem program like DSZ (for DOS). I use the OS/2 kermit, and an external SZ and RZ program. I start SZ going on the unix box, escape back to kermit, start the "rz" program running, and download my files. I can also go the other way. I never use the Kermit protocol for downloading any more. I just use the Kermit program for the excellent terminal emulation. : : If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest : : transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a : : 14.4 modem. : 1200 cps = 12,000 bps. That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem. I have the 16550an uart in my computer, and use OS/2 2.11, and OS/2 versions of Kermit and external Zmodem protocols. My Zyxel modem is locked at 57600bps between the modem and my serial port. I have a 486/33 cpu. When I transfer pre-compressed .ZIP files between two 19200bps Zyxel modems, I consistantly get 2222cps. Even when running tasks in other windows. When my Zyxel connects to a slower 14400bps modem, I usually get about 1550cps on .ZIP files. Of course, all bets are off on text files. I've had some that have gone at up to 7000cps. -- - Kevin Lowey (Kevin.Lowey@USask.CA, Client Services Educational Services Team) http://www.usask.ca/~lowey/ --- gopher skynet.usask.ca 1982 CB650SC, DoD#975 - The ride is my true destination. I'm just collateral damage of the Political Correctness Movement Steven Wright Says ... My house is on the median strip of a highway. You don't really notice, except I have to leave the driveway doing 60 mph. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 01:45:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:18:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 17:17:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux4!rf13 From: rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:45:03 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.253.232.66 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new >problems now: >(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system >hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error >happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I >already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly >initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for >port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a >2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine. [...] >So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI, >16550A and Kermit. I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have the exact same problem. I don't think it's Kermit's fault though, as I have seen it happen with other programs that access the COM ports ( including MSD). I have noticed two things: (1) It happens less often if I don't load the dreaded EMM386 memory manager. I don't use this "thing" when I use Kermit and/or Windows. (2) It is *much* more likely to happen if I turn the modem on after the computer has finished booting, or if I turn the modem on and off at any other time. So now I first turn on my modem (an external USR Sportster 14.4K) then boot the computer, and only turn the modem off at the end of the day. I'd like to hear more about this matter, but I'm not sure this is the proper newsgroup for it. Cheers, Ramin From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 23 03:29:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why??? Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:29:52 -0700 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <35ti3g$4i6@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <35ssqd$rud@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu qiongw@news-server.engin.umich.edu (greek) writes: >I am using kermit on my linux box. It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host. Any ideas? How can I prevent this? Thanks! > -Joan Using C-Kermit, Frank DaCruz, 1993, Digital Press, page 114: SET FILE NAMES LITERAL Is probably also mentioned in the .hlp files with the Kermit distribution (ftp kermit.columbia.edu). Check also out the command: SET ATTRIBUTES ON From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 00:34:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:22:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!hsdndev!cfanews!cfa0!chandler From: chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 00:34:01 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bjorn Kihlberg (psybk@pew.psy.gu.se) wrote: : John Chandler (chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu) wrote: : : Steven Patrick Iltis (iltiss@rice.edu) wrote: : I am myself forced (:-)) to use kermit instead of rz/sz and would love to get : the same througput. What is the major obstruction? Packet length? You need to tune the parameters according to the type of connection. Yes, set the packet length to a thousand or two, enable sliding windows, and turn off flow control if you can get away without it. If you have binary files to transfer (but, then, you wouldn't likely get any compression out of the modem!), you need to set up for 8-bit transmission if possible and also to suppress prefixing for as many control characters as you can. Obviously, the 8-bit consideration also applies if you have text files with extended character sets. -- John F. Chandler chandler@cfa.harvard.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 23 03:36:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:26:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:26:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Date: 22 Sep 1994 20:36:56 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <35tigo$4j2@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: > I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol >as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system >using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it >does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. > I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 >Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out >without transfering anything. > All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit >is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. IMHO it doesn't make any sense to run the Kermit file transfer protocol under Telix. Just use Kermit INSTEAD of Telix. So far, I have only heard of people that think Kermit file transfer is slow (not true) and therefore want to run zmodem under Kermit. Your 7E1 connection is exactly the reason why Kermit was invented in the first place. Don't even think of downloading binary data with X/Y/Zmodem. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:58:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:40:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redialing, Divide overflow error Message-Id: <1994Sep22.205836.27653@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Sep 94 20:58:36 MDT References: <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35sceh$dgt$1@heifetz.msen.com>, jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) writes: > > I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts > from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c > my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying. > I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack. ^^^^^^^^------- Hmmm > I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts. > Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script: > ____________________________________________________________ > > :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. > clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. > ;*********************************** > ;*lets stretch out the retry count* > ;*********************************** > ;set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. > set count 500 ; my count > echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... > echo > pause 1 > goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message > > :REDIAL > ;set alarm 30 > ;pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. > ;**************************************** > ;*lets be quicker about redials an so on* > ;*alarm and pause number should be = * > ;**************************************** > set alarm 3 > pause 3 > if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} > echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. > pause 1 > -------------------------------------------------------------- ------ I am going to guess the timer stuff spanned midnight and the time of day calculations failed (INPUT has a divide when converting seconds to HHMMSS stuff in t e code). I am NOT going to sit up til midnight to find out, thankyouverymuch. But I will inspect the code and try to catch the difficulty. Just as a general warning, timers crossing midnight are going to lead to confusion because I don't try to carry a day number around in the code (it's expensive). I do try to follow the great circle path, but it may not be foolproof everywhere. Workaround: let's both get some sleep. Thanks for the "timely" remark since MSK 3.14 would have the same problem. Joe D. P.S. Another generality. It helps us a lot to know the version number of the Kermit you are using (on both ends if that's the case). Please add that information to your queries. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 07:04:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:51:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Message-Id: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 13:04:48 MDT References: <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35s0u8$kds@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home > with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line: > > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 > > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. > > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? ------------- If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no guarantees that this always works. The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 09:00:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:53:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 18:53:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pentia, Windows Kermit, etc Message-Id: <1994Sep23.150019.27714@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 15:00:19 MDT References: <1994Sep22.105326.27620@cc.usu.edu> <35v4gd$j7t@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly > ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can > do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around > in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz, > not 10, is this relevant here? That's relevant. The "standard" bus speed is 8.33MHz, and above it all bets are off. Wait states are tweakable on some systems, and maybe ought not to be. DMA transfer details can hog the bus if you have a bus master board which uses that method (SCSI boards for example, and sound boards). > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to > the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries > only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not > with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading > files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it > isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just > forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround. It still looks like a flow control problem to me, or a disk cache program effect (dumping its accumlation and taking its sweet time about it). But there could be something strange on the Unix side which echos XON/XOFF back to the DOS machine right in the middle of other bytes. The way I do first tier diagnosis is by recording a packet log on both ends and then wading through it looking for hints. That's the LOG PACKET command. If you have control codes unprefixed then that is a nice opening for systems to play with the data stream. If you have a terminal server or other piece of electronics in the path then that may need inspection for byte-greed too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 05:23:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:46:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 19:46:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Microcom AX/9624c mnp class 6 dialing script? Date: 23 Sep 1994 05:23:45 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 2 Message-Id: <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast? From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 06:41:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:28:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 20:28:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!acsu.buffalo.edu!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Message-Id: <-CwKC6r.DrB@acsu.buffalo.edu> Control: cancel Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 06:41:57 GMT Approved: news@acsu.buffalo.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 09:08:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!heun From: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Volker Heun) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Date: 23 Sep 1994 09:08:38 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Reply-To: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Nntp-Posting-Host: hpmayr2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Originator: heun@hpmayr2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13 Thanks in advance Volker \\\// (o-o) ..........................oOO..\ /..OOo...................................... Volker Heun v Email: heun@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Institut f"ur Informatik Phone: +49-89-2105-2686 Technische Universit"at M"unchen Fax: +49-89-2105-5297 Arcisstr. 21 Room: (SB2) S2238 D-80290 M"unchen WWW: http://hpmayr1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/ Germany personen/heun.html ............................................................................. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:04:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:50:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 21:50:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!degood From: degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:04:47 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 27 Message-Id: <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavuu.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: : p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: : >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a : >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new : >problems now: : : >(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system : >hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error : >happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. : : I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have : the exact same problem. I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st time after poweron. I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in kermit's initialization code instead. John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 10:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 22:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 22:28:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 10:13:54 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 26 Message-Id: <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: >Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot >of BIOS or mother board problems. First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple 8250 then. So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds. While I use Terminate, I can download texts with 65% efficiency of 57600 bps (v42.bis compression), play and change tracks of audio CD's, let Terminate warn me through my Soundblaster and use my mouse. I think that shows that there are no problems with this setup and that IRQ conflicts are not there. I get the same perfect results while using minicom under Linux: expected 65% efficiency of 57600 bps while downloading with ZMODEM. Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? Richard. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 17:50:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:07:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Sep 1994 23:07:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de!applsrv!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pentia, Windows Kermit, etc Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:50:05 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 51 Message-Id: <35v4gd$j7t@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <1994Sep22.105326.27620@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik's response to my posting was quite helpful with regard to one of two problems I'm experiencing with my new Pentium PC, namely, the reason for system hangs when starting Kermit for the first time after booting: > The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines, >SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing >special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty >much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out. (msd says I've got a "16650AF" UART, the computer handbook calls it "SMC665", however) Regarding the other problem (lots of retries when downloading binary files with 19200 Baud), what he sayed in the following quote seems relevant to me: >Common suggestions include do thoroughly check >for conflicts and excessive bus speed on the serial stuff. I have no PCI >system myself so I can not run down the list of bugs in the current crop >of motherboards. I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz, not 10, is this relevant here? > Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest >that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK >runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program. I promise never to mention Windows Kermit again! :) (Actually I nearly only use it in cases when nothing else, e.g. Alt-' (German keyboard!), helps to clear the Comm port). I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround. Thanks for all responses to my question, and also in advance, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 14:52:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 00:56:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!eaog136 From: eaog136@rigel.oac.uci.edu (Quan Nguyen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:52:29 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 18 Message-Id: <35uq3d$ue@news.service.uci.edu> References: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Volker Heun wrote: > >Hello, > >does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 >on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? set com3 \x03E8 5 set port 3 -- *X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X Quan Nguyen eaog136@rigel.oac.uci.edu Program in Social Relations qnguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu University of California, Irvine From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:21:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 01:04:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 01:04:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!degood From: degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 15:21:51 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 26 Message-Id: <35urqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavuu.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Following-up to my own post, I earlier wrote: : I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) : with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it : first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I : then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that : Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I : use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st : time after poweron. : : I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race : condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in : kermit's initialization code instead. I just discovered in another posting: In <1994Sep22.082102.27600@cc.usu.edu> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > There are known bugs with the big square chip simulating 16550As > on some Pentium systems, and MSK 3.14 (not out) works around them. The bug > is normally associated with first use of a serial port after a boot. My system is not Pentium-based, but perhaps "the big square chip" (or the 16550 cell it contains) is also used on the other motherboards that have been cited as experiencing kermit hangs on startup? John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 04:46:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:48:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:48:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep23.104605.27691@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 10:46:05 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > >>Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot >>of BIOS or mother board problems. > > First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you > overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore > Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple > 8250 then. > So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure > DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds. > Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. > What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand > so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? > Richard. --------- Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something being peculiar in your machine. I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports, mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern. As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows). Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those sacrifical chickens. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 06:29:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:49:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!cuckoo!esiu From: esiu@ee.ryerson.ca (Edmond Siu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows Modem setup Date: 24 Sep 1994 06:29:25 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: cuckoo.ee.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept communication on com port 4. plese reply if you know the solution From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 14:46:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:07:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:07:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!black.clarku.edu!kdesai From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai) Subject: Re: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) References: <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Date: 22 Sep 94 14:46:23 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Cliff Stamp) writes: >Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number >of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would >like to lower it to 2. > >Thanks for your time. >-- >Cliff Stamp >sstamp@morgan.physics.mun.ca > Try editing a file named "yourmod.SCR" where yourmod is your modem name, or model filename You can edit MSKERMIT.INI to see which file sets your personnel settings most probably in the end of the file with a statement TAKE 'MYFILE.INI' where myfile is the file with personnel settings, this file will tell you which model file it is using. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 15:51:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:18:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:18:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!galileo.polito.it!not-for-mail From: mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it (Maurizio Codogno) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.computers.folklore Subject: BOO bootstrap Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Sep 1994 17:51:26 +0200 Organization: CSELT UF/DD - Torino Italy Lines: 11 Message-Id: <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: beatles.cselt.stet.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot of time ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with a BOO.COM file which was actually sendable via mail because it contained just printable characters. Could you please send me a copy of it? ciao, .mau. -- Maurizio ".mau." Codogno - CSELT UF/DD - Torino - mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it Well, you can take it any way you want, ... It's a rock'n'roll symphony, and it's gonna be the death of me. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 04:29:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:43:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:43:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3 Message-Id: <1994Sep23.102938.27688@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 10:29:37 MDT References: <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35u5um$gjt@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, heun@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Heun) writes: > > Hello, > > does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that Kermit use IRQ 5 > on COM3 instead of IRQ 4?? > I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13 > Thanks in advance > > Volker ----------- Please read release text file MSKERM.BWR, particularly the section starting on line 202. SET COMx etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 16:53:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:50:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!forrest From: forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:53:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Message-Id: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toe.cs.berkeley.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, page Y, section Z". This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say "I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material that costs money should also be excused. There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done their homework. -- Anything you read here is my opinion and in no way represents the Univ. of Cal. Jon Forrest WB6EDM forrest@cs.berkeley.edu 510-643-6764 377 Soda Hall, Univ. of Cal., Berkeley, CA. 94720-1776 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 13:27:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 03:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Message-Id: <1994Sep23.092720.1929@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 09:27:20 -0400 References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu>, forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) writes: > There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup > recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead > of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating > this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, snip.... maybe we could build a FAQ??? Good point, Jon.... Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ***error, brain i/o fault**** From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 02:42:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:10:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:10:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!puma From: puma@netcom.com (puma) Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: Organization: organized?? me? References: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 02:42:54 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: > >>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? >> with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >>14.4 modem. > >This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do >better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could >THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be >Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all >factors that will also slow down zmodem. 1200 is not 83% of available. The modem strips the start and stop bits, and sends the data between modems in synchronous mode. The potential throughput is actually 10*14400/8, which is 1800 cps. Now, you have to include bytes for controls, command exchanges between the modems, block start and stop, CRCs, all of which reduce the space available for 'real' data. Using Ymodem-G, which doesn't wait between blocks for ack's, I usually get about 1650 to 1680 cps on zip files, which are not really compressible, and much more on text files or .exe files which contain large areas of blanks or zeroes. That improvement, however, is due to the compression. -- puma@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 06:20:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:48:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 04:48:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep23.122100.27695@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Sep 94 12:20:59 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com>, degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) writes: > Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: > : p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > : >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a > : >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new > : >problems now: > I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU) > with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it > first accesses the COM ports after a poweron. I've discovered that if I > then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that > Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off. If I > use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st > time after poweron. > > I'm glad to see these other postings. I had assumed this was a race > condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in > kermit's initialization code instead. > > John DeGood degood@LF.HP.COM > Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware) ----------- For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich guys with shinny new toys. There is a known chip design problem in at least one big square chip, SMC FDC37C665 UART simulator. That item hangs comms programs if the chip is not cleared somehow from the mess it creates for itself during system power on. I don't know if the mistake has occurred in other chips, but it would not surprize me (cellular designs sold here and there to other foundries). Various vendors have been posting notices about fixup programs for their machines. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 has its own code to do the fixup too, and external reports say it works fine. Now this does not exclude other motherboard design mistakes which may mess up things across the bus. There is abundant historical precedent for them especially when an older design is stretched to new speeds. MSK 3.14 tries very hard to dodge potential goofs of this kind, but the hardware guys are very sharp and keep inventing new ones. Users of internal modems should assume that the firmware in their units are equally or more susceptible to modem design mistakes of varying magnitude. MSK 3.13 is more vulnerable to this stuff, simply because it's a little older and did not have the hardware test base which is now available. When 3.14 comes out for beta I hope you fellas will pound on it and let me know what's wrong in as much detail as you can. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 23:45:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 06:02:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 06:02:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!tuba.cit.cornell.edu!crux3!rf13 From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 23 Sep 1994 23:45:44 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <35vpb8$m9j@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <35tbuv$854@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com> <1994Sep23.122100.27695@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.253.232.63 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <35uqqf$slk@hpavla.lf.hp.com>, degood@lf.hp.com (John DeGood) writes: >> Ramin Farzaneh (rf13@crux4.cit.cornell.edu) wrote: [stuff deleted] > For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich >guys with shinny new toys. [...] > Joe D. Having a bad day Joe? My name appeared in this post even though none of the stuff quoted was mine. Still I don't see why you have to be so rude. For the record I am not rich and I don't have a shinny (sic) toy. Please control your tone in the future. Have a nice day, Ramin From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:00:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:00:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:00:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:00:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 181 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) writes: > There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup > recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead > of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating > this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X, > page Y, section Z". > > This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say > "I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand > what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material > that costs money should also be excused. > > There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done > their homework. > Thank you, Jon. We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to purchase the documentation because: 1. It's not that expensive. 2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations, tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index. 3. It relieves the load on the network. 4. It frees up time of Kermit developers and tech support people to do more development and tech support. 5. Most important of all, income from the sales of Kermit manuals is the primary source of income that funds the Kermit effort. KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. 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Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:03:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:03:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:03:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BOO bootstrap Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:03:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361il8$rmq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35uthu$9lo@beatles.cselt.stet.it> mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it (Maurizio Codogno) writes: > Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot > of time ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with > a BOO.COM file which was actually sendable via mail because it contained > just printable characters. Could you please send me a copy of it? > Amazing, but true: ---(cut here)--- XPHPD[0GG0G,0G51G31GB'(G+(G:u'0g?(G>(GE1G@arwIV_F*=US@<1|_,5wXNg-7muTu(4 1m2?352t0osr2e3K1q2s0s3e0W1_F0:sss1@2G0t1k0s3p0@3T1m3>52f3>1k0t3<2C0@3T2 K1g2?0@3T1Fm3U51g3<1q0s3:0@3T1g3r1l0ts1>0I@3T1m3i52e0O2;h0L1_Eg352s0m3S2 j0W1g3of0<1;2?0r1m0s3:1>0m@3T2e0R1FH2E1m0s3:1>0B3^0=2g3=1g3s0@3T2e0@3^1t 2e0<1>0m1m0s361>0e1l0s371g3r1:0P@3T1:0P2e1hDk0s3q0V1F2M1_3_c2o3Z1=0Y1=0c 2s0o2Ag3H0CSCS1:0=F[1:0=2s0]352k0t1]2s0U390^3<1KL2D1Dc0sf1]2L0UE^1T2HfTZ X3mS2@F5C6G3S2Y\_X3a25BB3W2HacTV^\aZ3S2gb3S2Y\_X3mSW28eebe3S2Whe\aZ3S2Y\ _X3S2<3b2B3W2Abg3S2XabhZ[3S2`X`bel3W4 ---(cut)--- From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:06:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:12:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!gaissmai From: karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de (Karl Gaissmaier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:06:13 GMT Organization: Universitaet Ulm Lines: 56 Sender: gaissmai%noc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Karl Gaissmaier) Distribution: world Message-Id: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Reply-To: karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.rz.uni-ulm.de Keywords: kermit, telnet, download, retransmissions Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hello kermit wizards, kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: (kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or DOWNLOADING binary files. Any hints? Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3, in my special case it is necessary: PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost i tried to track down the problem with our Sniffer, but i have no kermit protocol definition and i can't see any strange things in the sniffer dump. Therefore my next questions: How can i get the kermit protocol definition? How can i get the zmodem protocol definition? thanks in advance for any help Charly PS: by the way, i use the following version on all unix boxes: C-Kermit>sh version Versions: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Numeric: 501189 UNIX Communications support, 5A(110), 26 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD UNIX File support, 5A(074) 11 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(055), 4 Jun 93 C-Kermit functions, 5A(089) 11 Jun 93 Command package 5A(053), 21 Nov 92 User Interface 5A(103), 26 Jun 93 Character Set Translation 5A(020), 2 May 93 CONNECT Command for UNIX, 5A(054) 26 May 93 Dial Command, 5A(050) 26 Jun 93 Script Command, 5A(016) 26 Jun 93 Network support, 5A(019) 8 Jun 93 ========================================================================= Universitaet Ulm karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de Universitaetsrechenzentrum postmaster, networkadministrator Karl Gaissmaier Telefon: (Germany) +49 731/5022499 D-89069 Ulm Telefax: (Germany) +49 731/5022471 ========================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 16:31:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:31:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 12:31:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:31:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-Id: <361k8a$t2t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> karl.gaissmaier@rz.uni-ulm.de (Karl Gaissmaier) writes: > kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: > > (kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) > > if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with > to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or > DOWNLOADING binary files. > The usual one: SET PARITY SPACE and turn off any control-character unprefixing. Of course, you can unprefix whatever control characters are safe, but it's always best to start off without it. Control characters are prefixed by default for a reason! > Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3, > in my special case it is necessary: > > PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost > Here's another idea for you -- it might work better than Telnet, provided your Telnet servers are 8-bit clean: Use C-Kermit instead of Telnet on the gatehost, and tell it to: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE SET FLOW-CONTROL NONE CONNECT Make sure you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) here, because it is WAY more efficient in this situation (in CONNECT mode between two other hosts that are transferring files) than earlier releases. To avoid confusion about which Kermit you are escaping back to, use SET ESCAPE to set different escape characters on the different Kermit programs. > [I'm using] C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 > C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:27:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:27:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:27:11 GMT Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign Lines: 41 Distribution: na Message-Id: <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: procyon.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think I have figured it out. I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the files on the destination machine were being refused because of the date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So, for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has a more recent last-accessed date. This can't be what people want. Here are the details: home computer: C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit Numeric: 501190 with a FAT file system DIR ANN3.TEX: ANN3.TEX 1332 9-24-94 12:17 destination computer: C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) ls -l ann3.tex: -rw------- 1 adam academic 1293 Sep 24 12:15 ann3.tex ls -lu ann3.tex: -rw------- 1 adam academic 1293 Sep 24 12:23 ann3.tex Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:32:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:32:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:32:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Microcom AX/9624c mnp class 6 dialing script? Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:32:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361nqu$2rj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35top1$ccf@news.ysu.edu> am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast? > None to my knowledge. I posted a long message about MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts yesterday. They all follow a basic template. Writing a dialing script for a new kind of modem is fairly simple -- you pick a dialing script for a similar kind of modem, sit down with your modem manual, and replace the modem- specific commands for setting modulation, flow control, error correction, compression, etc, with the ones for your modem. MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts are plain-text files, profusely commented. They should be very easy to deal with by anybody who knows how to read a modem manual and use a text editor. Numerous working scripts are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, text mode, files msm*.*. Anybody who adapts any of these scripts to a hitherto unsupported modem is encouraged to send their work back to Columbia (via email to kermit@columbia.edu) to be included in the collection, so that others may use it too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:36:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:36:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:36:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS / VMS Transfer Performance Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:36:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 115 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361o3b$34t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thought I would repost this oldie-but-goodie... In article gap5u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Gregory Perron) writes: > > I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort > to my PC. 14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have > us robotics. I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc. But, > downloads have been hideous. > > I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers. I > *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure. [I get flawless > 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all > the -ebrw permutations I could think of. > > On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC. On the vax, > ckermit pops up and says: > Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax. > You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two new features described below. C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. > My ckermit.ini file has: > set send pack 1000 > This command is not needed; see the documentation. > set receive pack 1000 > set buff 20000 20000 > set file type bin > set windows 10 > set block 3 > > Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file. > And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm > only at 9600, modem report aside. > I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 distribution). My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was also active between the answering modem and the terminal server. In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got. Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps. Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning. Next I tell C-Kermit to: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255 (version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and the TELNET IAC character). Now I get 1549 cps. Note: control-character unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text files. Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost" models, and so lacks a buffered UART. All of the above transfers suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns. Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a 16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput goes up to 1601 cps. Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000). Throughput: 1608 cps. And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down a lot. Let's see. I turn both off: Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required). Modem: ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000) and download the file again. Result: 1616 cps. Not a big difference. Lessons (most of which apply mainly to this particular type of connection): 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs. 2. Be sure to get the flow control right at both ends. 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows (4 or more). 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing. 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little difference. Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS NONE. Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics. Read the documentation. Ditto for all the other variables we have looked at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 17:41:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:41:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 13:41:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:41:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361obn$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361nhf$7v@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE > setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the > files on the destination machine were being refused because of the > date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine > had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So, > for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has > a more recent last-accessed date. > ... > destination computer: > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) > Quite correct. This was a bug in C-Kermit 5A(188), and it was fixed in 5A(189). If you replace the Kermit version on your Sun by the current released version, 5A(189), or the soon-to-be-formally-released 5A(190), which is in the final stages of Beta testing, the problem should (will) go away. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x's for my news poster, sorry. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 18:06:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:06:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Chatting with Mac Kermit Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:06:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361pqd$4fs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Hi, I am using Kermit on a MacPowerbook 160 with 10megs of ram and a > Powerport Silver internal modem. I would like to set up a direct link to > a friend of mine who has a Mac Plus with currently 1meg (plans to > upgrade to 4) and an external Hayes modem. When I am saying direct link, > I mean that I like to be able to type something on my screen that would > then appear on his screen and vice-versa. His wife is deaf and he would > like to be able to communicate with her long-distance. Can Kermit do > this? > Yes. One modem must be put in "answer mode", which is not the normal mode for modems to be in. This is generally done by giving it a command like: ATS0=2 (see your modem manual). The steps on the answering end would be: 1. Start Kermit on the Mac. 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed. 3. Type "ats0=2" (and Return) at the modem, in the terminal screen. 4. In the Terminal Settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo" 5. Wait for a call to come in. This must be done before a call is placed. On the calling end: 1. Start Kermit on the Mac. 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed. 3. Type "atdt" and the phone number, and Return, in the terminal screen. 4. In the Terminal settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo" 5. Wait for call to be answered. Now the two parties can chat. When it's time to hang up, they should: 1. Do nothing for at least one second. 2. Type +++ in the terminal screen. 3. Do nothing for at least one second. 5. Type ATH0 and then Return, in the terminal screen, to hang up the phone. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 18:32:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:32:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:32:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripted Telnet wanted Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:32:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Distribution: World Message-Id: <361rc6$5u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep20.182343.21582@netra.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sun.apps:9932 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:147 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep20.182343.21582@netra.com> pnewman@netra.com (Paul Newman) writes: > Hi, I'm looking for a program that let's me do some programmatic telnet. > That is, I'm looking for something like CrossTalk or Procomm (on PCs) > except that I want it to use telnet for transport. I want to send a > command and look at the response programmatically, maybe with a shell > like language, and then send another command based on the response. > C-Kermit 5A. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. The current version is 5A(189): kermit/bin/cku189.tar.Z Version 5A(190) is in Beta test; I'd encourage you to try it instead: kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip) It has a full-blown script programming language that does exactly what you want, and also includes control structures (IF, WHILE, etc), variables, arrays, built-in functions for string manipulation, access to all kinds of system information (hostname, date, time, etc etc), and so on. Since C-Kermit works not only on TCP/IP TELNET connections, but also serial connections and (in certain implementations) also X.25, DECnet, NETBIOS, and other types of connections, you have a single communication software package that lets you automate all of your communications tasks in a consistent way. Furthermore, the script programs you write for C-Kermit on SunOS are portable to any other UNIX variety as well as to all the other operating systems where C-Kermit runs: VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, etc etc. Furthermore, C-Kermit's script programming language is highly (though not totally) compatible with MS-DOS Kermit's language, and so the same script programs are also portable to DOS and Windows and to the many and varied networking methods supported by MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit's script programming language is fully documented in Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". MS-DOS Kermit's script programming language is fully documented in Chapter 14 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 12:55:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:08:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!news.cuny.edu!wilhc From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what is UART overrun Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 16:55:58 EDT Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 2 Message-Id: <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm at home. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 23:52:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:06:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jjr From: jjr@mipl-gw.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 24 Sep 1994 23:52:27 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona, Dept. of ECE Lines: 12 Message-Id: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: mipl-gw.ece.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why not always do "set file type binary"? Is there any reason to use text mode? Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. (I have the same question regarding ftp.) Why is there a text mode at all? -- Jeff Rodriguez Electrical & Computer Engineering rodriguez@ece.arizona.edu The University of Arizona Tel: (602) 621-8732 or 8963 Tucson, AZ 85721 FAX: (602) 621-8076 From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 12:38:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 21:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 21:13:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what is UART overrun Message-Id: <1994Sep24.183834.27767@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 94 18:38:34 MDT References: <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94267.165558WILHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, writes: > Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm > at home. --------- What program is showing you that message? MS-DOS Kermit does not display it. It means a second byte arrived at the serial port from the outside before the first byte could be read from the hardware. Flow control is the solution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 24 14:50:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 23:22:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Sep 1994 23:22:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: <1994Sep24.205043.27777@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 94 20:50:42 MDT References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU>, jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? > > -- > Jeff Rodriguez > > Electrical & Computer Engineering rodriguez@ece.arizona.edu > The University of Arizona Tel: (602) 621-8732 or 8963 > Tucson, AZ 85721 FAX: (602) 621-8076 ----------- Simple example: DOS ends lines in CR/LF, Unix ends text lines in LF, Macs end lines in CR, and so on. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 04:24:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 00:23:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 00:23:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!sisters.cs.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 24 Sep 1994 21:24:52 -0700 Lines: 47 Distribution: World Message-Id: <362u2k$70d@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> forrest@toe.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon >Forrest) writes: >> There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup >> recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead >> >Thank you, Jon. We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries >about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but >yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to >purchase the documentation because: (deleted a number of good reasons) I like to attest to the validity of this point. While I like free software partly because the price is right, I often feel a strong urge to buy the accompanying books. In fact, I don't think those books are that cheap, but spending, say, 70 dollars on the two main Kermit books is still very cheap compared to paying for a single user license of any other major software package. Look what you get if you buy two Kermit books: Two nicely bound manuals that are very readable. They not only describe the program, but also contain elaborate introductions to telecommunications and data transmission, as well as to the inner workings of the software. This is typical for free software. Look at the books describing the free TeX text formatter program. They even contain jokes, poems etc. The books accompanying the free OS and programming language Oberon are also much more readable than those of, say, Borland or Symantec (no experience with Microsoft compilers). There is probably no editor with a more rigorous manual than emacs. Compare this with what you get for a couple hundred dollars spent at such companies as Microsoft: totally boring manuals that often fail to solve the actual problems that someone might have using the programs. Plus diskettes with the software that you are not allowed to copy at will. My motto: use free software unless you are sure the more expensive one is better, and spend a small part of the money thus saved on those fine books. Then, give away copies of the free software to whoever wants it, and show those books so that they know they exist. That's enough advertising for now, I guess. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 12:49:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:01:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:01:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (tom mayo) Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program Message-Id: <35uirt$gsb@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 43 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems References: <1994Sep22.211430.27654@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:49:01 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep22.211430.27654@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , aveglio@tuzo.erin (Andrew Veglio) writes: >> I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol >> as implemented under Telix V3.15. This program works well with my system >> using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it >> does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work. >> I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1 >> Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out >> without transfering anything. >> All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit >> is the only protocal supported on the Unix server. >> >> Many Thanks >> Andrew >------------ > Have to guess again. Here goes... > Might you have set Even parity just in the modem without telling >Telix Kermit about it? If so there is a good chance that Telix and the >remote Kermit negotiate an 8-bit connection and of course your modem chops >the high bit without informing anyone. If this were true then it would be >a classical case of "hidden comms boxes" nibbling at the data. > MS-DOS Kermit and C Kermit both try to unravel these cases as much >as possible and may switch to using Even parity during the first packet >exchange. It's clever. MSK expects the modem to stay out of the useless >parity game and let Kermit do parity work in software (where there is >full control and most importantly full knowledge to negotiate the proper >bit-width during file transfers). > My suggestions are to look into these details, tell Telix about >Even parity, and if things still don't work then also try MS-DOS Kermit >(it's faster and ...). > Joe D. I have had similar trouble. I am not fully satisfied that I explored all avenues, but I did call the Telix support number and from what I remember, they said that Telix does not support Kermit transfers over 7-bit connections. I have since switched to MS-DOS Kermit, and have been VERY happy with it. It is somewhat of a pain to get running at first, but it is at least flexible and well-documented. -Tom From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 06:33:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:34:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 02:34:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 25 Sep 1994 06:33:57 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: m4-167-7.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu's message of 24 Sep 1994 23:52:27 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: Why not always do "set file type binary"? Is there any reason to use text mode? Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. (I have the same question regarding ftp.) Why is there a text mode at all? That is an *excellent* question. The answer, for UNIX sys-admins like me, is that when downloading lengthy text bug-patches and specifically in downloading .bin files from certain Mac sites, they get corrupted when downloaded in binary mode where they come over file where they are fine in test mode. This is the voice of embarassed experience. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 05:55:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 06:40:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 06:40:47 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!raven.alaska.edu!orion.alaska.edu!fsbem From: fsbem@orion.alaska.edu Subject: Wtd: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" Message-Id: <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> Lines: 7 Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 05:55:35 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line, Thanks blake From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 16:21:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 13:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 13:57:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!EU.net!uunet!gwu.edu!not-for-mail From: pww@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Philip Wirtz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit via tn3270 Date: 25 Sep 1994 12:21:02 -0400 Organization: The George Washington University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.164.127.252 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to pass subsequent characters through to the printer. Does anyone have a suggestion about how I can remediate this problem (...or, if this is the incorrect forum for such a question, where it might be properly raised...)? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 18:01:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:01:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:01:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:01:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <364du5$a3r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit, telnet, download, retransmissions Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <361ipm$6bj@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de>, Karl Gaissmaier wrote: >-- > >Hello kermit wizards, > >kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections: > >(kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server) > >if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with >to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or >DOWNLOADING binary files. > >Any hints? Try using small packets and no sliding windows. If that works, then it is a flow control problem somewhere between host1 and host3. If it doesn't work, see where you are after the timeout errors. Are you still logged into host3, or are you on host2? Make sure that all control characters with special meanings are prefixed. What version of Kermit are you using on the PC? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 18:15:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:15:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 14:15:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit hangs on newer machines - what is loaded high? Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:15:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <364enp$apu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For those of you who have benn reporting problems with MS-DOS Kermit on newer machines, I have one important question: What software do you have loaded high and what version of DOS are you using? I have noticed significant problems with MS-DOS and IBM PC-DOS versions 6.x which loading EMM386.EXE. And then loading programs which affect timers into high memory. Example programs include MOUSE.COM and SMARTDRV.EXE. The problems affect Token ring drivers, and serial devices which rely on timers and interrupt driven I/O. I believe the problems are causes by the need to switch from Real mode to protected mode in order to access the high memory safely. For a simple test, boot off of a DOS diskette without EMM386 being loaded and try out MS-DOS Kermit. And then report back the results, it would not surprise me if MS-DOS Kermit works fine under these conditions. But until we discover the cause, there is not much that Joe can do the replicate it since he doesn't have access to the necessary hardware. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 19:26:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:31:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:31:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!syko.cosmic.com!not-for-mail From: marc@debris.cosmic.com (Marc Spitzer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where to get kermit and how to useit it? Date: 25 Sep 1994 15:26:16 -0400 Organization: Cosmic Communications, Long Island, NY Lines: 9 Message-Id: <364iso$gdl@debris.cosmic.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: debris.cosmic.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Where is kermit and how do you use it? Pointers to ascii docs that i can ftp are what i would realy like. System 286 with 640 k herc moniter and st225 hd. Thanks marc From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 21:28:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 17:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: a nice kermit icon? Date: 25 Sep 1994 16:28:29 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 13 Message-Id: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Summary: where can I find one? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? Doug -- doug@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 23:06:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 19:52:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 25 Sep 1994 23:06:05 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 45 Message-Id: <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1994Sep22.143039.22376@iitmax.iit.edu> <35u9p2$dej@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <1994Sep23.104605.27691@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. >> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand >> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? >> Richard. >--------- > Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since >the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, >and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. > Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before >using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many >comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something >being peculiar in your machine. Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless with real 16550A's. Other postings have proved otherwise, however. > I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR >and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks >they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports, >mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware >as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't >diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern. Sure, but the same (SAME as in equal) setup is OK with Terminate and Linux. I don't need a crystal ball to tell me that apparently Kermit has a tinsy little problem and not those other programs. I have removed all TSR's and such, thank you, I am not a complete newbee. > As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify >and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows). >Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those >sacrifical chickens. I have found the problem a while ago: MS-Kermit. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. Richard. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 00:50:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:51:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 20:51:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit and Windows for Workgroups Date: 26 Sep 1994 00:50:01 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit with windows for workgroups. I seem to get alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows, but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any. I prefer to work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent. Any help as always is greatly appreciated! email please! -- Timothy J Flynn (tflynn@iastate.edu) Fine Arts & Computer Science Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 phone (515)-294-9022 From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 12:59:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:13:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 21:13:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: <1994Sep25.185940.27798@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 18:59:40 MDT References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <364vot$b3m@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port. >>> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand >>> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area? >>> Richard. >>--------- >> Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since >>the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably, >>and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with. >> Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before >>using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many >>comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something >>being peculiar in your machine. > > Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate > have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit > does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should > have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless > with real 16550A's. > Other postings have proved otherwise, however. Not to argue about it but they haven't shown that. May I refresh the minds of the readership on the "emulated 16550A" chip problem: it is a chip problem and the cure seems to be to hit the chip with a 2x4. Some software may think that's a good thing to do and fooey on the rest of the world; Kermit does not. In any case, as I said previously, MSK 3.14 has code to workaround this chip problem. The release MSKs for many years have worked perfectly with real 16550As, at my place and from no reports of troubles with the real chips. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 13:58:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit and Windows for Workgroups Message-Id: <1994Sep25.195828.27801@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 19:58:28 MDT References: <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3655rp$blv@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > I am using kermit with windows for workgroups. I seem to get > alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows, > but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any. I prefer to > work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is > there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for > windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with > windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem > serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent. > Any help as always is greatly appreciated! > email please! ------------ A very common complaint with all serial port comms programs under Windows; you have company. It's Windows. If you scan the PC News groups notice how many msgs there are on this topic. The cures fall into two main categories: if you continue to run at 19,200 or higher then by all means acquire a buffered UART (the 16550A flavor), and look for a better Windows serial port driver than that shipped with Windows. Of course slowing down is also a solution. Windows grabs the real serial port and simulates it to DOS box programs, so the fault is between Windows and its hardware. You can try to give the DOS box greater cpu resources by fiddling with the program parameters in Windows but much of this has to be done locally to match the particular setup on the machine. Two replacment items I have come across are the Delrina Windows Fax com item, wfxcom.zip (copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd apps), and a decent buffered UART serial board. I'm using a Hayes ESP board this week which looks like a 16550A to programs and which has its own Windows driver. There are many other drivers and boards available so you may wish to ask around in the Windows News groups for shared experiences. Try to use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your cable has enough wires. It's faster acting than XON/XOFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 25 14:05:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:13:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP Message-Id: <1994Sep25.200533.27802@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 94 20:05:33 MDT References: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com>, doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) writes: > I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked > around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that > the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? > > This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? ------------ I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my attempt, and please don't snicker to my face... Joe D. ------------- section 1 of uuencode 4.13 of file KERMIT.ICO by R.E.M. begin 644 KERMIT.ICO M```!``$`("`0``````#H`@``%@```"@````@````0`````$`!```````@`(`. M``````````````````````````````"```"`````@(``@````(``@`"`@```6 M@("``,#`P````/\``/\```#__P#_````_P#_`/__``#___\`____________@ M____________________________________________________________$ M______________F9F9F9F9_____________Y\/#P\/"0```````/____^0\/9 M#P\/G_______`/____GP\/#P\)________`/___YF9F9F9F?________#___Z M___Y_Y__________\`____^9F9F9F?_______P#____Y______^?______`/W M____^?______G_____\`______GW=W=W_Y______#______Y______^?____L M``#_____^?=W=W?_G____P``______G______Y____S,S,_____Y]W=W=_^?W M__S,XN[LS___^?______G__,[B(N[LS___^9F9F9F?_\SN(B(N[NS/______G M____S.[B(B+N[NS/_________\[NXB(B[N[NSP________S.[NXB+N[N[L_PQ M_______\[N[N+NXN[N[L_P\`_____.[NXB+B[N[N[/_P#P____SN[B(B(N[N; M[NS__P_P\`__SNXB(B+N[N[/_____P#P_\SN(B(B+N[LS______P_P_\XB(B] M(N[N[/_________P_,XB(B(N[,S__________P_\[N[N[LS____________P` M_\S,S,S/__\`````````````````````````````````````````````````U M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` !````` `` end sum -r/size 57357/1106 section (from "begin" to "end") sum -r/size 40329/766 entire input file From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 02:52:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:58:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Sep 1994 22:58:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!RINGLAND From: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:52:34 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, IRQ 4). I use other windows communications programs without problem, except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want to run Kermit. I *think* I've tried just about everything. The modem is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I said, works fine in DOS. Help! Thanks! (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13) From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 06:43:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:43:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 02:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1994 02:43:43 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 35 Message-Id: <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with non-erasable characters. I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220 does not handle these properly. Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences? If not, are there any plans to add this support in the future? From the DEC VT220 pocket reference guide: Select Char Attributes (DECSCA): Applies to subsequent characters CSI Ps " q where Ps is 0: All attributes off (does not apply to Graphic Rendition) 1: designate chars as "not erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED 2: designate chars as "erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED Selective Erase in Line (DECSEL): CSI ? Ps K where Ps is null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL 0: Same as null 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the line Selective Erase in Display (DECSED): CSI ? Ps J where Ps is null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS 0: same as null 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:00:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:00:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:00:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366gl1$90i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2kaXkSng1uNR071yn@panix.com> ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with > non-erasable characters. I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220 > does not handle these properly. > Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences? > Support for "protected fields" has been added to version 3.14, which will be announced for testing shortly. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:04:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:04:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:04:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wtd: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:04:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366gsq$99q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep25.015535.1@orion.alaska.edu> fsbem@orion.alaska.edu writes: > Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" > If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line, > It's still in print, believe it or not. Although the types of computers it talks about have mostly faded into history (DEC-20s, etc), the specification of the Kermit protocol is still the definitive one. If you can't find it at your local computer bookstore, you can call +1 212 854-3703 or +1 800 366-2665 to order it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 13:28:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:28:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:28:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:28:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Distribution: World Message-Id: <366ia4$aui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? > Three reasons: (1) Record format: As most people know, different file systems represent lines of plain text in different ways: . A stream of characters terminated by CRLF (e.g. DOS) . A stream of characters terminated by LF (e.g. UNIX) . A stream of characters terminated by CR (e.g. Mac or OS-9) . A LF followed by a stream of charcters followed by CR (VMS) . A count word followed by a stream of characters (mainframes) . A fixed-length field with trailing blanks or NULs (mainframes) . etc etc etc If you transfer a text file from one type of system to another, the presumption is that you want it to be in useful format when it arrives. For example, if you transferred a Macintosh text file to, say, a UNIX or VMS system without conversion, you would probably wind up with all the lines overstriking each other. If you transferred C program source from DOS to UNIX in binary mode, you couldn't compile it. If you transferred UNIX text to DOS in binary mode, it would print in "stairstep" fashion. And so on. (2) File Format. Different file systems have different ways of representing the end of a file: . An exact byte count (e.g. UNIX) . An approximately byte count (e.g. Prime) . A block count . A record count . An internal in-band marker, like Ctrl-Z . etc etc When you transfer text files in binary mode, and the end of file is not represented in an exact fashion, you are likely to get junk at the end of the transferred file. (3) Character set. I realize Americans could not care less about this issue, but there are places in the world where people speak other languages than English, in which accented and/or non-Roman letters or other glyphs are needed, and want to be able to use them when writing text on their computers. Unfortunately, each computer and OS is likely to use completely different encodings for the same characters. Binary-mode transfers would skip any needed conversions whereas text-mode transfers -- at least when done by Kermit -- will take care of them. Bottom line: Use text mode when transferring plain text and you want it to arrive on the destination system in useful format. Use binary mode when you don't want any conversions to be done. You can also use binary mode when transferring text between two computers that have the same kind of file system -- record format, file format, and character set. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 12:56:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:29:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:29:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP Date: 26 Sep 1994 12:56:30 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 48 Message-Id: <366gdu$nst@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep25.200533.27802@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: % In article <364q1t$f7d@Mercury.mcs.com>, doug@MCS.COM (Douglas Harvey) writes: % > I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit. I've looked % > around and found only one (which I didn't like). Don't you all agree that % > the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon? % > % > This is partially in fun, but who have a nice kermit icon? % ------------ % I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have % a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my % attempt, and please don't snicker to my face... % Joe D. % ------------- Designing icons is clearly an art :-). Here's the one we use here. Feel free to snicker or to use it. Leila -- table !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ begin 644 kermit.ico M ! $ (" 0 #H @ %@ "@ @ 0 $ ! @ ( z M " " @( @ ( @ " @ y M@(" ,# P /\ /\ #__P#_ _P#_ /__ #___\ ____/______Px M,S,S,S,S,___________\#,S,S,S,S/___/_____]5 S,S,S,S,S________w M]5 #,S,S,S,S,_____55554P,S,S,S,S,S/__S9:JJJJH#,S,S,S,S,S__55v M6J.JJJ S,S,S,S,S,_\%JJJJJJJ@ S,S,S,S,S-0"JJJJJJJJ@,S,S,S,S,Su MX JJJJJJJJJJ#N[N[N[N[NX*JJJJJJJJJ@#N[N[N[N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJH t M#N[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJ "@ [NX*JJJJJJJJH JJ *H [N"JJJJJJJH "Js MJJJJJJH.[@JJJJJJJJ"JJJJJJJJJ#NX*JJJJJJ *JJJJJJJJH [NX*JJJJJ@r MJJJJJJJJJJ#N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJH.[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJJJH #N[NX JJq MH "JJJJJJJJ@#N[N[NX H _P JJJJJJH.[N[N[NX*#___\ JJJJH [N[N[Np M[NX __ \*JJH [N[N[N[N[NX/\ /"J .[N[N[N[N[N#_ \ \/#N[No M[N[N[N[N#___#N#P#P[N[N[N[N[N[@#_\ [@#_ .[N[N[N[N[N[N [N[@ n M[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[Nm M[N[N[N[N[NX l M k M j ! i h end -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 01:47:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:18:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: <1994Sep26.074746.27819@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 07:47:46 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu writes: > Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help > with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on > my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows > it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer > hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which > seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, > IRQ 4). Did you tell Kermit about the port and IRQ for COM4 via the Kermit command SET COM4 port irq? The reason you have to for this port and for IRQ not 4 or 3 is there is no way to acquire that information from the hardware. Joe D. EL): > CSI ? Ps K > where Ps is > null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL > 0: Same as null > 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor > 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the line > > Selective Erase in Display (DECSED): > CSI ? Ps J > where Ps is > null: Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS > 0: same as null > 1: Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor > 2: Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen > -- --------------- As detailed in the release doc msvibm.vt which is part of the MS-DOS Kermit distribution suite, these commands are not supported in MSK up to v3.13. They are very rarely used. But version 3.14 (to come out) does implement them. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!sigurd.andersen From: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A little bit of reverse engineering. Message-Id: <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:30:14 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Message-ID: <35d69m$7fs@chopin.udel.edu> In article <35bbuh$7h4@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, wrote: : From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:16:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!cliff.stamp From: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Cliff Stamp) Date: 16 Sep 1994 17:32:24 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Message-ID: <35ckr8$s2s@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would like to lower it to 2. Thanks for your time. -- From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!hutsel.barry.e From: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Message-Id: <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: 3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E) Date: 17 Sep 1994 02:37:30 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Message-ID: <35dkpa$jud@knot.queensu.ca> I'm just new at this, but am I doing something wrong: 1. I am attempting to FTP a binary file (ie. .ZIP) 2. I set FTP to bin and get the file to my home directory 3. Then I run kermit on the remote computer and escape (alt-x) to the From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!roland.kwee From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP - KERMIT ==>Problems Message-Id: <15.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Date: 17 Sep 1994 21:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: <35gh60$3r1@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> 3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E) writes: >4. Next I "set file type binary" on the local kermit >Problem: The file is useless when I get it to my local machine. It's From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 19 20:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:17:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!huzacec@telerama.lm.com From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dumb question... Message-Id: <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 19 Sep 94 20:59:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com Date: 18 Sep 1994 00:56:48 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com> Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? Thanks. Mike (please e-mail me) huzacec@telerama.lm.com otely execute commands, etc. but I am having problems getting kermit to 'pipe' results back to a local machine; ie. I want to run a command on a remote machine, and pipe its results into Kermit (in eg. a From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 20 00:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!xander.jansen@surfnet.nl From: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A little bit of reverse engineering. Message-Id: <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 20 Sep 94 00:41:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl Message-ID: Organization: SURFnet bv Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 12:32:01 GMT On 16 Sep 1994 s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de wrote: > For a certain opac I have been give a version of kermit with "key settings", From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!mdesouza From: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:41:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: mdesouza@wam.umd.edu (MDESOUZA) Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:26:12 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hello All, I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:18:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!j..wakeley.purple From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit dialing help (3.1.3 on PC) Message-Id: <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Message-ID: <1994Sep18.184813.25965@iglou.com> Organization: The Internet Gateway of Louisville, KY Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 18:48:13 GMT Cliff Stamp (cstamp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) wrote: : Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number : of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would : like to lower it to 2. I don't think kermit has any default redial. It does have a timeout until connect. You're probably using kermit running with a script which has a loop in From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!harry.h.conover From: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:03:06 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Message-ID: <35i2ta$qgp@sundog.tiac.net> I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!j..wakeley.purple From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: wakep@iglou.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Message-ID: <1994Sep18.190019.26900@iglou.com> Organization: The Internet Gateway of Louisville, KY Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 19:00:19 GMT MDESOUZA (mdesouza@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : Hello All, : I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. : home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better. they have : a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:19:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!steven.patrick.iltis From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:51:08 GMT Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas Message-ID: <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu> Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with Kermit. If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a 14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!keith.petersen From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Lines: 120 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Message-ID: <9409182132.AA12045@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:32:25 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) conover@max.tiac.net (Harry H Conover) writes: >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as >I have for the past 10 years or so. So far, the program has survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the >Internet. Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic >re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of >batch file transfers, etc. > >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28.... > >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS >version available? The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs and information files - from SimTel. NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII Directory SimTel/msdos/kermit/ Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ddntac.hlp A 4112 890813 Setting TAC parameters for Kermit easyk110.zip B 53931 890316 Kermit made easy. EasyKermit V1.10 ep437.zip B 11529 900125 PC Code-Page-437-to-Epson char set translation epson.zip B 7646 900125 Epson printer driver for EGA graphics screens ker_scp3.zip B 19526 881114 Useful Kermit (v2.29 or above) script files msicyr.zip B 5079 910521 Kermit term init: send/rec Cyrillic characters msiem2.ini A 4202 890731 Kermit script maps PC keyboard for GNU Emacs msiibm.zip B 29843 890120 Kermit 2.32/A Script, tutorial, init files msivt3.zip B 5354 910521 MS-Kermit DEC keybd setups for IBM-compatibles msivt321.zip B 5688 910705 MS-Kermit keybd setup for DEC VT200-300 series msk-rcv.bas A 6495 910320 Easy bootstrap: Rcve-only Kermit pgm in BASIC msker313.zip B 336282 931004 MS-Kermit v3.13 comm pgm for IBM-compatibles mskerdoc.zip B 144524 890630 Kermit 2.32/A User's guide and other files mskr-em2.zip B 30433 910320 MS-Kermit v3.1 term emulation & graphics info msr313.ann A 18246 930719 Official announcement of MS-Kermit vers. 3.13 msr31321.pch A 4218 940604 Patch file for MS-Kermit v3.13 (patches 1-21) msulk2.zip B 11684 910521 Driver allows use of DEC LK250 kbd w/MS-Kermit msvgen.zip B 60556 930719 MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Generic MS-DOS msvhp1.zip B 45098 890130 Kermit 2.32/A Hewlett Packard specific msvrb1.zip B 48899 890130 Kermit 2.32/A Rainbow specific msvv90.zip B 67364 930719 MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Victor 9000 msvz10.zip B 69272 930719 MS-Kermit 3.13 executable for Heath/Zenith 100 pcbdker.zip B 5218 890311 Collection of MS-Kermit scripts pcprint.c A 5190 890504 Print Unix host text files on PC (req. Kermit) pcprint.nr A 2994 890504 Unix man page for PCPRINT.C scanch41.zip B 14157 900106 Keyboard scan code check/display for MS-Kermit tskerm25.zip B 46838 940214 Keypads, bats, & logging scripts for MS-Kermit xsend051.zip B 11210 910320 Makes Kermit script files to send entire disk yogiutil.zip B 27954 910324 Chg blue color to underscore w/MS-Kermit v3.0x Download msker313.zip and msr31321.pch. That's all you need to get started. For security reasons SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm), is located on a host that is not accessible by anonymous ftp users, however its files are available by anonymous ftp in directory /SimTel/msdos from the primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117) located in Rochester, Michigan, and from the secondary mirror sites: St. Louis, MO: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) /systems/ibmpc/msdos Corvallis, OR: archive.orst.edu (128.193.2.13) /pub/mirrors/simtel/msdos Australia: archie.au (139.130.4.6) /micros/pc/oak England: src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.2.10) /pub/packages/simtel Finland: ftp.funet.fi (128.214.248.6) /pub/msdos/SimTel France: ftp.ibp.fr (132.227.60.2) /pub/pc/SimTel/msdos Germany: ftp.uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) /SimTel/msdos Hong Kong: ftp.cs.cuhk.hk (137.189.4.57) /pub/simtel/msdos Israel: ftp.technion.ac.il (132.68.1.10) /pub/unsupported/dos/simtel Poland: ftp.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.1.8) /pub/mirror/msdos Sweden: ftp.sunet.se (130.238.127.3) /pub/pc/mirror/SimTel/msdos Switzerland: ftp.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) /mirror/msdos Taiwan: NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10) /PC/simtel Thailand: ftp.nectec.or.th (192.150.251.33) /pub/mirrors/SimTel/msdos SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers or through the BITNET/EARN file servers. For details see file /SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf. Gopher users can access the collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu. World Wide Web (WWW) and Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu. CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc., 5850 Dixie Highway Clarkston, MI 48346, U.S.A., telephone (800) 536-3373 or (810) 623-6700, or FAX (810) 623-1469. A WWW Forms Interface for ordering CD-ROMs - http://www.coast.net/SimTel/ - is also available. This two CD-ROM set includes the entire collection, which is not true of CD-ROMs offered by some other vendors. For information send e-mail to cdrom@Mail.Coast.NET. To order send e-mail to order@Mail.Coast.NET. Quarterly update subscriptions are available. Dealer inquiries are welcome. Purchases of this CD-ROM set from Coast to Coast will provide direct support to SimTel. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 08:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!erik.hatcher From: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for DOS questions Message-Id: <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 08:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Message-ID: Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:52:01 GMT I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for DOS and have been unsuccessful. In Cruz's book he has a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes on the DOS version. My questions are... Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic blocks? And where can that be obtained? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 10:05:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!benjamin.ketcham From: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: auto redial script Message-Id: <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 10:05:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: bketcham@u.washington.edu (Benjamin Ketcham) Date: 18 Sep 1994 23:03:00 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <35igv4$rf6@news.u.washington.edu> Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit. Here is a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc). I present it not so much as the perfect way to do it, but rather as *a* way. I'd like to hear comments/criticisms on how this could be done better or more robustly. Problems I'm aware of: --Only works with modems that return "BUSY" when the line is busy. I've used some that don't. --Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13'). I think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't immediately find it in the kermit docs. --If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement to time out. Thus, the choice of time there is critical. Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance). Is there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable, and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness? --ben ------------- define demondial - if > \v(argc) 1 assign \%p \%1, - else ask \%p Number to dial (without atdt prefix):, - echo \13demondial: Trying number (use ^C to abort) ...\13, - while EQUAL 1 1 { - hangup, - output atdt\%p\13, - input 20 BUSY, - xif FAILURE { - echo \13demondial: Looks like line's not busy. Connecting ...\13, - connect, - stop - } - else { - echo \13demondial: Line busy. Retrying ...\13 - }, - } - From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 21 10:07:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:21:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!andrew.dunstan From: andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CR translation in telnet connection Message-Id: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 21 Sep 94 10:07:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: andrewd@seldon.apanix.apana.org.au (Andrew Dunstan) Date: 19 Sep 1994 00:14:20 GMT Organization: cleese.apana.org.au Public Access UNIX +61-8-3736006 Message-ID: <35il4s$4pe@cleese.apana.org.au> I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, when all I want to send is a plain CR. Is there any way to achieve this? cheers andrew From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:25:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!dwight.hugget From: dwight.hugget@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT & PCMCIA Message-Id: <30.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:25:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: dwight.hugget@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Dwight Hugget) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Message-ID: <35cn64$qp0$1@heifetz.msen.com> Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with kermit ??? If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to Qmodem using Zmodem. I was informed the problem >lyes in SZ and systems are trying to deal with it. But I was suggested >trying to upload into UNIX main base and then ftr the files to armstrong. > > Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it.... Have you tried rz -a to tell the Zmodem receive program that the file you are about to send is text? Zmodem defaults to binary mode. Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:26:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!bill.chinn From: bill.chinn@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Bill Chinn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <31.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:26:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: bill.chinn@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Bill Chinn) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Medicus Clinical Data Systems, Alameda, CA Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT Hello, I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to Windows/NT? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jianqing.hu From: jianqing.hu@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jianqing Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <32.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jianqing.hu@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jianqing Hu) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.141901.3102@iitmax.iit.edu> Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:19:01 GMT In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Message-ID: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > >Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? > >Thanks. >Mike > >(please e-mail me) >huzacec@telerama.lm.com Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!john.d.cederman From: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading Text files Message-Id: <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:29:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: cederman@cs.buffalo.edu (John D Cederman) Message-ID: Organization: UB Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 14:39:41 GMT Hello, I am using Qmodem with Zmodem protocol. I have been able to download From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:23:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!keith.petersen From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <35.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:30:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Message-ID: <9409191517.AA21171@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:50 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) writes: > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect > (At least on our unix box) This should fix the problem: set blo 3 which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt". Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:31:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!binh.anson From: binh.anson@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <36.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:31:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: binh.anson@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Binh Anson) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT Message-ID: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> G'day, I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:33:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:24:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jeffrey.altman From: jeffrey.altman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <38.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:33:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jeffrey.altman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeffrey Altman) Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <35k052$3gr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In article <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com>, Bill Chinn wrote: >Hello, > >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? alpha.16) to the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the seconds are different? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:33:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!paul.hounsell From: paul.hounsell@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows? Message-Id: <40.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:33:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: paul.hounsell@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Paul Hounsell) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Message-ID: <1994Sep19.122308.19077@cs.joensuu.fi> Organization: Joensuu University Language Center Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT Hello developers I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would li I would li From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:42:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!kerry.schwab From: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:42:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab) Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Message-ID: <35im7q$ank@nyx.cs.du.edu> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command. Suppose you were trying to recieve a file, you'd do "sz ", enter the kermit escape char, then type "REDIRECT rz". Though it does seem almost seem like kermit treason ;) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!ramin.farzaneh From: ramin.farzaneh@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Ramin Farzaneh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Request: Download Speed Message-Id: <43.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:43:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: ramin.farzaneh@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Ramin Farzaneh) Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rf13@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Ramin Farzaneh) Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT Organization: Cornell University Message-ID: <35j157$23n@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit. The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps s survived >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:44:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!doug.fraser From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:44:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Date: 19 Sep 1994 18:54:38 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Message-ID: <35l4re$17b@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> In article <35i0o4$6s@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu>, MDESOUZA wrote: >Hello All, > I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc. >At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:45:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!jerry.alexandratos From: jerry.alexandratos@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Message-Id: <45.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:45:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jerry.alexandratos@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jerry Alexandratos) Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: darkstar@strauss.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:21:54 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Message-ID: <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> In article <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu>, Sigurd Andersen wrote: :In article <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so :: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application? ... :: From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 07:48:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!todd.spindler From: todd.spindler@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Todd Spindler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <47.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 07:48:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: todd.spindler@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Todd Spindler) Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:49:18 -0400 Organization: U of Miami/RSMAS Message-ID: <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> Reply-To: spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > >G'day, > >I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found files to armstrong. Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it.... (cederman) From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 22 21:06:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:26:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!roland.kwee From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 22 Sep 94 21:06:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <35lkoa$dde@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes: >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? > with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 00:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!john.jamulla From: john.jamulla@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John Jamulla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Message-Id: <49.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 00:30:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.jamulla@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John Jamulla) Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Message-ID: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Reply-To: jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and looking at the link without dropping the phone line Please reply to below address. Thanks in advance, John J. _________________________________________________________________________ jamulla@cadcam.pms.ford.com John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1 Ford - Car Product Development Bldg3 2nd Floor #2638 (313) 337-9951 CAD/CAM, Dearborn, MI 48121 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 08:21:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!steven.patrick.iltis From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 08:21:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: iltiss@rice.edu (Steven Patrick Iltis) Date: 20 Sep 1994 00:09:51 GMT Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas Message-ID: <35l98f$emq@larry.rice.edu> Thanks to the many solutions posted here and e-mailed to me. I've got to try them out now! -- Steve Iltis Computer Science Teacher Westbury H.S., Houston iltis@tenet.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 08:22:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:27:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!doug.fraser From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem? Message-Id: <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 08:22:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Message-ID: <35l5ha$2dk@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> In article <35i5nc$eq9@larry.rice.edu>, Steven Patrick Iltis wrote: > >Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit >on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with >Kermit. > >If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest >transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a >14.4 modem. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 23 20:35:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!csir.co.za!proxima.alt.za!aecibbs!earl.h..kinmonth From: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS/V Message-Id: <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: 23 Sep 94 20:35:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Message-ID: <35m06i$9ch@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei Telecom. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 19:05:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:33:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:33:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 26 Sep 1994 19:05:27 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 26 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful info on control character prefixing. I have one question. The document is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved in the communications path. In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem to matter. The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly prefix or unprefix 255. So, the questions are: 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads successfully. 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. P.S. To Joe D. I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous. In my opinion you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:43:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:43:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for DOS questions Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:43:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367bp4$bpn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) writes: > I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for > DOS and have been unsuccessful. In Cruz's book he has > a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit > and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes > on the DOS version. > Au contraire - DOS Kermit does have "dynamic block sizes", a.k.a. rubber packets. This is in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version). The idea is: if the line quality deteriorates and packet errors (corruption or timeouts) occur, the file sender automatically reduces the packet size. As (when, if) the line quality improves again, the packet length is gradually increased back to its negotiated maximum size. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:45:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:45:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, > when all I want to send is a plain CR. > The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET NVT specification (RFC854). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:50:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:50:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:50:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:50:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) writes: > The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the > latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs > and information files - from SimTel. > SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers > or through the BITNET/EARN file servers. For details see file > /SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf. Gopher users can access the > collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu. World Wide Web (WWW) and > Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to > access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu. > Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might (or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. > CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are > available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc... > Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs. Once again, it creates two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed, and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:54:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 16:54:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SOUTH AFRICA Date: 26 Sep 1994 20:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Distribution: World Message-Id: <367cdd$cis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear readers... Some site in South Africa (proxima.alt.za?) is reposting all of the messages that were already posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, and truncating most of them in the bargain, and rewriting the address of the posters. Very confusing and annoying. Dear news person at proxima.alt.za -- please make it stop. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:06:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:06:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:06:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 26 Sep 1994 21:06:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367d3p$ddh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? > Both C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit will prefix 255 automatically when you have made the connection with a SET PORT TCP (MS-DOS Kermit) or TELNET (or, equivalently, SET NETWORK TCP/IP, SET HOST ...) command, i.e. when they know for sure it's a TELNET connection. Otherwise they don't, in which case you might have to tell them to do it. > 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test > file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as > suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads > successfully. > It depends on the direction in which the data is going and on the terminal server. Some of them are oversensitive. If a literal 255 comes in on the serial end, it should be treated as data, but cases have been reported where it is not. More to the point, the Kermit program on the receiving end of the TELNET connection has NO WAY of knowing this, and so when it is sending files, it will cheerfully let you unprefix 255 -- don't do it! > 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? > I Am a Command? No, not really. It's "Interpret As Command". On a TELNET connection, IAC (= 255) is a kind of in-band escape character, changing the protocol from data mode to command mode. To send an IAC as a literal data character, one must send two of them. See RFC854. > I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. > Better safe than sorry. It's only one character out of 256. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:14:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto redial script Date: 26 Sep 1994 21:14:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-Id: <367dk4$e2f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) writes: > Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit. Here is > a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc). > We recommend you not alter your .kermrc (CKERMIT.INI), but rather, add your customizations, overrides, and redefinitions to your own personal customization file, .mykermrc (CKERMOD.INI). Ditto for MS-DOS Kermit: make alterations to MSCUSTOM.INI, not MSKERMIT.INI. > --Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13'). I > think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't > immediately find it in the kermit docs. > I've never heard of a modem that did not use ASCII for its command language. However, some modems might be set to use line terminators other than carriage return (by changing S3). Unfortunately, there is no way a program can find this out, except perhaps by sending ATS3? followed by every conceivable character. > --If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement > to time out. Thus, the choice of time there is critical. > Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before > a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance). Is > there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable, > and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness? > Yes - Read the ckcker.bwr file about this; there are some paragraphs on this subject in the script programming section. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:24:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:32:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: erik.hatcher@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Erik Hatcher) Subject: cmsg cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:24:57 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <25.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 19:24:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:33:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:33:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!RINGLAND From: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Subject: Re: Kermit can't access modem under Windows Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:24:54 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ringland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >Hello. I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help >with what might be a common problem. Kermit works fine in DOS on >my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5. In windows >it seems that Kermit can't access the modem. After trying the computer >hangs. Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which >seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1, >IRQ 4). I use other windows communications programs without problem, >except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and >the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want >to run Kermit. I *think* I've tried just about everything. The modem >is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings >right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I >said, works fine in DOS. Help! > >Thanks! (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13) As followup to my own post, I thought it might be worth telling that the problem turned out to be "blank" com ports, which I had thought I had to reserve for plugs attached to an I/O card, and whose interrupts were being used by a sound card, etc. Someone was kind enough to notify my by e-mail that Windows requires all ports to be filled in sequence. This knowledge saved me potential hours of frustration, and I haven't seen it documented anywhere. So everything works fine now that I've rearranged things to give the modem "priority", as it were, moving it to Com2 and changing the other interrupts around. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:35:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:35:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: beads@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Beads) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: beads@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Beads) Subject: cmsg cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:25:18 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <26.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 17:37:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: benjamin.ketcham@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Benjamin Ketcham) Subject: cmsg cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:25:37 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <27.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 09:54:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:32:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:32:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Boo-boos from aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Message-Id: <1994Sep26.155457.27892@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 15:54:56 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My News reader, and probably yours too, has just been inundated with a large flux of files from a site in South Africa. They appear to be old messages repackaged with new headers and not always the entire body. I'm sure it is a broken mail distribution system down there, and this kind of thing happens a lot. So rather than adding to the list traffic with grumbles, please let Columbia notify the postmaster of the site, and the rest of us will quietly skip down to the new and interesting files. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:10:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:56:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:56:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: sigurd.andersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Sigurd Andersen) Subject: cmsg cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:10:58 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <12.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:11:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:58:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: xander.jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander.Jansen@Surfnet.Nl) Subject: cmsg cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:11:22 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <18.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:11:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: cliff.stamp@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Cliff Stamp) Subject: cmsg cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:11:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <13.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:12:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:04:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:04:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. 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Wakeley Purple) Subject: cmsg cancel <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:12:19 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <20.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:13:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:12:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:12:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: hutsel.barry.e@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Hutsel Barry E) Subject: cmsg cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:13:01 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <14.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:13:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); 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Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:14:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:14:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: alastair.mckinstry@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Alastair Mckinstry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: alastair.mckinstry@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Alastair Mckinstry) Subject: cmsg cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:13:53 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <16.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: huzacec@telerama.lm.com (Huzacec@Telerama.Lm.Com) Subject: cmsg cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:13 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <17.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:15:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com (Rich@Dsm1.Dsmnet.Com) Subject: cmsg cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:34 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <33.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:14:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:18:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:18:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: mdesouza@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Mdesouza) Subject: cmsg cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:14:55 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <19.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:16:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:22:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:22:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: j..wakeley.purple@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: cmsg cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:08 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <22.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:16:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:23:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:23:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Subject: cmsg cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:32 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <44.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:18:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:27:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:27:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: jeff.mcadams.(j.mca@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeff Mcadams (J Mca) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: jeff.mcadams.(j.mca@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Jeff Mcadams (J Mca) Subject: cmsg cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:18:30 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <50.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:19:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:29:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:29:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: harry.h.conover@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Harry H Conover) Subject: cmsg cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:19:06 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <21.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: keith.petersen@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Keith Petersen) Subject: cmsg cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:05 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <24.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:31:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: r..stewart.ellis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (R. 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Stewart Ellis) Subject: cmsg cancel <42.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:31 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <42.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Subject: cmsg cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:57 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <23.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:21:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:32:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: kerry.schwab@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Kerry Schwab) Subject: cmsg cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:21:15 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <41.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:21:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:34:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:34:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: roland.kwee@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Roland Kwee) Subject: cmsg cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:21:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <48.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:20:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:35:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:35:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lots of truncated postings appearing today Date: 26 Sep 1994 17:20:08 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 8 Message-Id: <367du8$31m@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm seeing many truncated postings, mostly old ones re-appearing. Is something wrong with who/whatever is handling posted messages? -- Sig -- sigurd@strauss.udel.edu -- Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:22:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:36:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:36:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: steven.patrick.iltis@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Steven Patrick Iltis) Subject: cmsg cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:22:23 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <51.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:24:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:39:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:39:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: doug.fraser@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Doug Fraser) Subject: cmsg cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:24:31 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <53.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:25:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:41:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); 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Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:48:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!aecibbs.proxima.alt.za!not-for-mail From: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: john.d.cederman@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (John D Cederman) Subject: cmsg cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:31:12 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <34.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> @ @ _Insert Stupid Quote Here_ @ @ @ @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022 @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:31:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); 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Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: <-54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Control: cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Distribution: world Organization: AECI BBS +27 11 608-1516 Reply-To: earl.h..kinmonth@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Earl H. Kinmonth) Subject: cmsg cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:36:51 GMT Approved: news@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <54.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:09:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:56:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 19:56:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!hsdndev!cfanews!cfa0!chandler From: chandler@cfa0.harvard.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:09:46 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <362e3r$jef@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: : Why not always do "set file type binary"? : Is there any reason to use text mode? : Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. : (I have the same question regarding ftp.) : Why is there a text mode at all? When you settle into one way of doing things, it is easy to forget that other ways exist. Binary file transfers may work fine for all files in one context, but the means of representing text vary widely in the computer world. The most obvious demonstration of the need for text mode is the existence of many different types of character codes, ranging from 7-bit ASCII to 7-bit ISO-646-with-nationals to 8-bit ISO-8859/x to 16-bit ISO-10646, not to mention EBCDIC. Somebody has to do the translation. -- John F. Chandler chandler@cfa.harvard.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 22:59:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:15:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:15:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 22:59:18 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 49 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:231 comp.archives.msdos.d:8806 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >> The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the >> latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs >> and information files - from SimTel. >[...] >Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on >the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is >kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have >no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might >(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. MS-Kermit, in its latest versions, has been on SimTel for many years. This is the first complaint I've seen about SimTel offering it. >> CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are >> available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc... >> >Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs. Once again, it creates >two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we >need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us >since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed, >and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual. SimTel's policy is: Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, it will not be accepted. I am not aware of any Kermit documentation which prohibits or limits CD-ROM distribution of the program. MS-Kermit has been on every SimTel CD-ROM since the first one was released several years ago. If Columbia insists on asserting this prohibition it means that MS-Kermit and its support files will have to be removed from the SimTel collection. In my opinion removing MS-Kermit would be a disservice to your user community since the SimTel collection is more widely distributed than Columbia's. It is mirrored in more than 33 countries of the world and the CD-ROMs provide a means to make it available in many other countries which have no Internet service. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 21:17:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:35:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:35:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!isc-newsserver!ultb!sxs1105 From: sxs1105@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.X. Srivastav ) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Sender: news@ultb.isc.rit.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:17:42 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> spindler@heron.rsmas.miami.edu (todd spindler) writes: > >In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: >> >>G'day, >> >>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found >>that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! >>I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to >>Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low. This is despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding windows, and so on. Although I have the latest official version of Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to. Although it is often pointed out that Z-modem is not very reliable, I personally have not have any major problems with it. I have used it on a variety of systems. So, now I use Kermit as my terminal emulation program, and then use Z-modem (invoked from within Kermit) to do the file transfer. Just my $.02. Sanjeev From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 11:20:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:05:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Message-Id: <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 17:20:14 MDT References: <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > > email preffered.. --------- Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending acknowledgment. That's effectively a packet of that length, but really the stream is as long as the file (since ACKs come back during sending of current material and let new packets be added to the list). Sliding windows in Kermit is the clever complicated kind, known as selective repeat, where only the bad packets need to be resent. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 20:40:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:16:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!swheeler From: swheeler@netcom.com (Sean Wheeler) Subject: Problems with Kermit in PCPLUS for Windows Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 20:40:09 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is not the procomm support area but I thought I would ask some people who have real answers before trying to go to the Datastorm folks. I am using PCPLUS for Windows ver. 2.00 (I had the same problem with 1.01) and when I try to download files from our Unix box all I get is "UART Error" messages from Procomm and no file transfer. This happens in server as well as standard send modes. When I switch to MS-Kermit 3.13 everything works just fine. BTW: I am using C-Kermit 5A (189) on our Pyramid Unix box and our dial up connections require S-7-1 comm params. How do I need to configure the Unix end to properly transfer files to the Procomm/Windows end? -- Sean D. Wheeler swheeler@netcom.com sean.wheeler@ons.octel.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 11:11:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 21:20:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Message-Id: <1994Sep26.171134.27898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 17:11:34 MDT References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful > info on control character prefixing. I have one question. The document > is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved > in the communications path. In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server > in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem > to matter. The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly > prefix or unprefix 255. So, the questions are: > > 1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem? > 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem? (I have a test > file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as > suggested in the .upd file.) I've done binary uploads and downloads > successfully. > 3. What does IAC stand for anyway? > > I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why. > > P.S. To Joe D. I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and > the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous. In my opinion > you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood. ------------ Last first. Thanks Mike. I get pretty frazzled sometimes and it takes charge of my keyboard and fingers. IAC, 255 quoting and all that jazz. A very good question to ask. IAC is TCP/IP Telnet-speak for "Interpret As Command." Next question. Oh, back up? Ok. Telnet has Options to negotiate in-line, both ways, and the IAC (decimal 255) byte is the introducer of them, sort of like ESC in control sequences for terminals. The rules say if one wants 255 to go through as data it must be doubled. But doing that means looking at every byte when we really want to shove a big buffer at TCP to get performance. So MSK simply declines to unprefix 255 in file transfers and thus avoids the buffer scanning/restuffing problem. Also, the 7-bit version of this is 127, aka DEL, which is subject to becoming 255 with some parity. To see some Options as they happen tell MSK to SET TCP DEBUG ON. Given the interest in the Internet Infobahn I suggest folks start reading up on TCP/IP and related material, if you have a technical bent. A visit to the bookstore is recommended, and with this recommendation as defense you might be able to buy one of those nifty TCP/IP books(*) without the family complaining. (*) One such good technical intro is Comer's three volume set of "Internetworking with TCP/IP", and most people will be happy with just volume 1. Brave souls may wish to pursue the prime references: the RFCs available on the Internet from many sites (look at the dozens on Telnet). These are technical details, not how to use books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 02:49:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Sep 1994 23:32:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 27 Sep 1994 02:49:43 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 24 Message-Id: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <367c7g$cdg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:8808 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:236 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: :fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on :>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is :>kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have :>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might :>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to improve also the way MsKermit is distributed. For example are you aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly. Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as distributors. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 06:46:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 02:56:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 02:56:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!msdos-ann-request From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 06:46:51 GMT Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: msdos-ann-request@simtel.coast.net Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Approved: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET Lines: 34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:6834 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:237 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. SimTel's policy is: Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, it will not be accepted. Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 26 14:48:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:12:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can I call prtscn from a macro? Message-Id: <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 26 Sep 94 09:48:12 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros. You can redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from, say, mscustom.ini. Keystroke verbs don't seem to work in a macro: define foo \Kprtscn and neither does a key number: define foo \2329 Is there, perhaps, a way to press a or call a keystroke verb from a macro? I have Gianone's "Using MS-DOS-Kermit", 2nd ed. If I've missed something, a page reference will do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 11:10:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:25:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 07:25:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!trans!cowboy From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP Message-Id: <1994Sep27.111008.5402@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <35abck$6gc@louie.udel.edu> <35d5gi$6lm@chopin.udel.edu> <35kks2$r5u@strauss.udel.edu> <35poo3$pho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:10:08 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maxwell E Evarts (evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection. If I use : >Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better : >throughput. Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with. : >The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer : >performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the : >goodies that I prefer to use kermit for. : Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it : sounds like you already understand. Here's a clip from the the : MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible : solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) : This works for me, using pktmux. It is worth the try. Cowboy From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:37:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:37:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 27 Sep 1994 13:37:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article <9409262259.AA28683@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET > (Keith Petersen) writes: > :fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > :>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on > :>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is > :>kermit.columbia.edu. We who write and support Kermit software have > :>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might > :>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc. > > Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing > to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to > improve also the way MsKermit is distributed. For example are you > aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution > packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly. > Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure > accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as > distributors. > Sorry, no slur intended. Listen folks, this is a sensitive topic, and I'll try to explain our position as clearly as possible. The Kermit effort continues because it is centrally coordinated. In the development and maintenance of any protocol -- Kermit, XYZmodem, TCP/IP, ISO OSI, you name it, standards must be set and to some degree enforced, and therefore there must be a centralized keeper and setter of standards. Otherwise, incompatible versions of Kermit would sprout up and they would not be able to interoperate -- similar to the situation with the many variants of Xmodem in the late 70s and early 80s. Now the Kermit file transfer protocol, no matter how well defined, would be of little use if it were not implemented in software programs. And the software programs would be of little use if they did not also offer all the other features that one expects to find in communication software: terminal emulation, script programming, etc. Who writes these programs? Who ensures that the software has implemented the Kermit protocol correctly? Who writes the documentation? Who provides technical support? Real people. And it's a lot of work. At Columbia University, we have a small staff devoted to these jobs. Who pays their salaries? Who pays for the equipment, service contracts, etc? Answer: every last penny comes from whatever income we can generate through mail-order software distribution fees and book sales, plus the occasional donation. There aren't any deep-pockets foundations paying us to write, document, and support software for you. It's not shareware with nag screens hounding you send money. It's not shrink-wrapped commercial software you have to buy in a store. We try to support ourselves in the way that is least painful for our user community. But like it or not, we do have to support ourselves. The current controversy -- and this is not the only instance of it -- is whether companies that make and sell -- or even give away -- CD-ROMs should be allowed to include Kermit software on them. Clearly there are good and bad aspects to this. On the good side, consumers get vast amounts of software dirt cheap, which, in a short-sighted way, is good for them. On the bad side, the makers of these CD-ROMs, can sell them for less than we charge for doing the same thing, e.g. sending Kermit software out on diskette, tape, or cartridge. Why? Because we not only distribute the software, we also write it, document it, and support it, day after day, year after year. When Kermit software is distributed on CD-ROMs, it takes away income from us and at the same time adds to our workload. People who receive Kermit software in this way do not also receive the appropriate manuals, and so they call us up or send email or letters asking us to explain to them how to use the software. We get hundreds of such support calls every day and an ever-increasing rate. Less money for more work. Do you see where this trend leads when left unchecked? The developers have no time to develop, the tech support people are expected to "read the manual" to users from sunup to sundown, progress grinds to a halt, and finally everybody loses their job because there is no more income and the Kermit effort dissolves. So, once again, No: you can't put Kermit software on your CD-ROMs without our written permission. Much of the software that is on these CD-ROMs is either written by students, who then go on to a real job since they have to eat, or written by grant-sponsored efforts at universities. Well, we are not sponsored, but we are in this for the long haul. We would like to keep supplying you with Kermit software in the long term, and keep it up to date with the rapidly changing requirements of new technologies. That requires full-time, responsible people. What about FTP sites? Nobody is saying you can't put Kermit software out for FTP. But -- and this applies to CD-ROMs too -- we can't police thousands of FTP sites to ensure that their Kermit software is (a) up to date, (b) complete, (c) unaltered, and (d) consistent. We spend a huge amount of time helping people whose problems are caused precisely because they retrieved Kermit software from someplace else and the files were out of date, incomplete, etc. I'm absolutely not running down Keith, Timo, nor the many others who collect software and put it on CD-ROMs (or FTP sites) as a public service. Nor even the entrepeneurs who see this as a way of making a quick buck. But think about it -- if you like this software and you want it to keep up with the times, you have to do something to help support the people who work long hard hours to bring it to you. Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution. The terms are reasonable given the world and times in which we live. There is no point cluttering up the newsgroups (again) with a longwinded and acrimonious debate on the topic. We provide you with good software, good tech support, good documentation, and most of you don't pay a penny for it. If we made more money, we'd provide even better service: faster development, more tech support people. We're doing our best to strike a reasonable balance. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:14:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:06:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:06:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <35kfee$4f0@heron.rsmas.miami.edu> <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:14:13 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.211742.1959@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, S.X. Srivastav (sxs1105@ultb.isc.rit.edu) wrote: >My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal >emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low. This is >despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding >windows, and so on. Although I have the latest official version of >Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique >versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to. That brings up a good point: The right software for each situation. If you have a mainframe or Unix shell account, chances are you have some version of C-Kermit or IBM mainframe Kermit which you can tune to your needs. I don't use BBS's very much, but the few I've dialed into have Kermit implemented as a choice in their menu system, where it's inaccessible to the user for configuration. If you're lucky, "super-Kermit" or some such will be a choice, in which case you'll get sliding windows (but still the standard packet size of 92). In that case, z-modem might be a better choice simply because of how it's set up. On the other hand, more and more BBS's are connecting up to the Internet. Many of these will accept telnet sessions, but don't have ftp. Kermit can be used to telnet to these and then transfer files through the telnet connection. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 13:38:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:41:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:41:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf. Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:38:59 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21SEP199412144358@pavo.concordia.ca>, YATES, JODYE (j_yates@pavo.concordia.ca) wrote: >Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is >that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns >inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even >recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I >load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so >the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit >downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP? As the previous follow-ups show, there's some confusion about your question. If the 'text files from somewhere' are in WordPerfect format, use binary modes for all your file transfers. In the event that they are plain ascii (more likely), use ftp in ascii mode (default), and Kermit in text mode (also default). WordPerfect can import ascii and convert it to WP format. I, too, am not familiar with WP 6.0, but the functions you want (from WP 5.1) are text in/out, DOS text, and then you should have a choice: Preserve the carriage returns and turn them into WP hard returns, or turn the CR's into soft returns if they approach the right margin and format the text for the margins set. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 14:12:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:30:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:30:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:12:55 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: >Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? [....] >What's different about the newer >version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it. Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory). Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 15:25:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:46:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu!bpolvi From: bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:25:27 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 16 Message-Id: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate a file transfer: ?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port. Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed. The windows session must then be terminated and started again. If your certain you have a solution please post for all to read, if your uncertain please Email me, I'd welcome any ideas. Thanks inadvance! From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 14:24:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:49:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 09:24:03 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: >According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 15:45:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:50:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!news.nd.edu!purcell!yfaitaki From: yannis@columbia.edu (yannis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: winsock.dll Date: 27 Sep 1994 15:45:27 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <369emn$3gd@news.nd.edu> Reply-To: yfaitaki@purcell.helios.nd.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: purcell.helios.nd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I know this is not the best group to post this question, but you guys out there seem to know a lot about modems and protocols anyway ;-) I recently got winsock.dll from a friend and I have no idea what to do with it... any references on the subject? Thanks in advance and sorry about this "improper" posting! Yannis e-mail:yfaitaki@elgreco.helios.nd.edu --- ------------------------------------- Birth of terror death of much more I'm the slave of fear, my captor Never warnings ... Metallica - The frayed ends of sanity From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 17:35:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:35:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369l5g$jt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, > Keith Petersen wrote: > >According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > >University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on > a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > Before this new newsgroup bursts into flames, why not let the parties involved work things out amongst themselves. Develop a new file transfer program that can be distributed freely? Be my guest. If it becomes as successful as Kermit is, you will soon find yourself facing the same costs as we do and the need to either meet them or go out of "business". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 17:53:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:54:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Date: 27 Sep 1994 17:53:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369m7h$rt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) writes: > FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. > When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following > error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection ... > Our accumulated knowledge about Windows for Workgroups 3.11 versus MS-DOS Kermit was posted previously, and is also available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, file mskwfw.doc. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 11:55:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:20:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:20:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: World Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:55:12 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: >> In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: >> > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS? >> >> Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me >> (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone) >> >Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit >for DOS. Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 18:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:30:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 14:30:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Date: 27 Sep 1994 18:30:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: World Message-Id: <369ocf$23k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > > ... > >Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit > >for DOS. > > Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my > Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its > features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing > through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and > some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those > features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? > DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit > wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? > Well, aside from the obvious human-resource considerations we have been reading about so much today (who is going to do the work???) we are never going to be able to produce a C language version of Kermit for DOS that is better than MS-DOS Kermit and that will still fit in memory. MS-DOS Kermit is painstaking "hand crafted" to pack the most wollop into the smallest amount of memory, and also to do all sorts of things at the hardware level that simply not comfortable -- even possible -- in C. C-Kermit is designed to run on real operating systems. MS-DOS Kermit *is* an operating system. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 will have many of the missing script programming features added, in particular the \functions(). Hopefully we can get out from under the great debates of who is entitled to what long enough to let us finish getting this new release together. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 02:28:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can I call prtscn from a macro? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.082800.27946@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 08:28:00 MDT References: <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.094812.1062@newton.hartwick.edu>, wisanr@newton.hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros. You can > redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can > turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I > can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from, > say, mscustom.ini. ----------- Can't do it. The printing you are discussing is occuring only within Connect mode and the operations controlling it need to occur while that particular terminal emulation session is being executed (versus being at the Kermit prompt). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 04:36:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:31:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 15:30:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7 Message-Id: <1994Sep27.103633.27960@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 10:36:33 MDT References: <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35qjl6$1ua@herald.indirect.com>, > Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > >>Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but >>it was never answered: Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP >>packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13? > > [....] > >>What's different about the newer >>version of the packet driver? I'd like to be able to use it instead of >>the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from >>memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability. > > One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your > standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it. > Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory). > Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at > ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip. --------------- I answered this previously in this list. The Crynwr v11.x SLIP8250.COM program has a mistake which eliminated a needed Packet Driver function. I told Russ Nelson about it. In the meanwhile I suggest either using another SLIP program or go back to the version 9.x material (my original rewrite of SLIP8250.COM is tucked away in directory kermit on netlab2.usu.edu). Simtel and similar popular ftp/bbs sites might have the older version, and its worth a look. MSK version 3.14 has a workaround for this problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 20:47:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:26:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:26:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.204707.889@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 20:47:07 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jjr@mipl.ece.arizona.edu (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes: > Why not always do "set file type binary"? > Is there any reason to use text mode? > Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files. > (I have the same question regarding ftp.) > Why is there a text mode at all? Because KERMIT runs on (at least) one "non-ASCII" piece of hardware, the IBM mainframe. On that platform, KERMIT has to compensate for the multitudinous differences between EBCDIC and ASCII. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:07:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:52:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:52:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!rbrass From: rbrass@world.std.com (robert brass) Subject: set speed command Message-Id: Summary: Does set speed set the modem speed? Keywords: speed Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:07:56 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to 14400". How can I connect at 14400? Bob From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 06:50:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 12:50:04 MDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, > Keith Petersen wrote: >>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on > a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ---------- If you wanted to, but it might be a good idea to reread the Columiba copyright notice to discover what's going on. The notice says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That seems to be very reasonable to me. Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution process. Let me touch on another aspect of this situation: Compuserve. If you read the fine print then when a file is posted on CIS they very nearly own the item. Oh boy! I run an anonymous ftp server or two, and there are three kinds of files on them: Novell generated, third party submissions to the Novell forum on CIS, and other third party software. Novell's own files are offered via legal agreement with the company. It took a lot of work by people to obtain a satisfactory legal release document so the Novell forum third party material could be made available on the Internet (that's netwire\novuser). Novell did the hard work to make it happen. Other files are accepted or declined depending on whether the author has given permission for them to be redistributed; no permission == no offering from my site (as best that I can track it). If someone sends my archive a file which seems to have come from CIS but the release is not made then I decline the file. I don't get involved with money or CDROMs or making tapes for people, yet these operating rules apply. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 07:02:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:03:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors? Message-Id: <1994Sep27.130244.27972@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 13:02:44 MDT References: <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <369dh7$cup@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, bpolvi@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Bernice Polvi) writes: > FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated. > > When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following > error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate > a file transfer: > > ?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port. > Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed. > > The windows session must then be terminated and started again. ------------- Their Windows configurations must be slightly inappropriate for any DOS program to use the serial ports. May I suggest reviewing the serial port setup in WFW. Please do watch out for FAX program also owning the port while Windows is running. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 22:22:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:22:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:22:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set speed command Date: 27 Sep 1994 22:22:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a5vp$lo7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article rbrass@world.std.com (robert brass) writes: > Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the > terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but > there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it > to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to > 14400". How can I connect at 14400? > It sets the computer's serial port speed. The modem speed can only be set by modem-specific methods. It would have helped if you had said which Kermit program you were using. Let's say it's C-Kermit. If you had read the manual, "Using C-Kermit", you would have discovered (in the section "Finer Points of Dialing" in chapter 3) that Kermit can either (a) adjust its interface speed to the CONNECT speed reported by the modem, or (b) keep its interface speed constant, i.e. ignore the modem's report. The command is SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING { ON, OFF }. By default, it tries to change to the speed reported by the modem. In your case, it seems that your version of C-Kermit (based upon information from the system header files, etc) does not support 14400 bps. But that's not the real problem -- what you really wanted to do was set your modem's interface speed to 19200 and FIX IT THERE, and then tell C-Kermit to ignore the speed in the CONNECT message. C-Kermit 5A(190) -- still in Beta due to numerous distractions -- supports (in general) a wider range of speeds, including 14400 bps on some systems. But since I don't have 450 different operating-system/version combinations directly accessible, I can't guarantee that I caught them all. For further information, see the section SERIAL COMMUNICATION SPEEDS in the ckccfg.doc file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:53:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:34:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 18:34:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!chyde.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:53:29 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland Lines: 15 Approved: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:6845 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:258 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 20:58:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:07:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:07:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 27 Sep 1994 20:58:52 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 24 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> References: <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35upim$9ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <35qtj3$ms6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) >writes: >> : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user. >> Agreed. Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is >> unusually patient. Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is >> essential for reasonable throughput with kermit. >> >Matter of preference. If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a >file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right. On the other >hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the >box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket. Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and "set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the latter is the current situation. This is similar to the current situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I just want to run this thing" user. (As to the exact command to use, try for something that will be somewhat self-apparent in the online help.) --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 08:46:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:17:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:17:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dumb question... Message-Id: <1994Sep27.144634.27987@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 94 14:46:34 MDT References: <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <35ktea$8cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >>In article <35k8j5$mph@dsm6.dsmnet.com> rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com writes: >>> In article <35ghag$274@telerama.lm.com>, huzacec@telerama.lm.com writes: > Y'know what? There ought to be... I've been using C-Kermit on my > Unix account for a while, now. Though I don't use most of its > features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing > through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and > some other features that MS-Kermit lacks. I could use those > features (especially the script language) on my PC. What gives? > DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )? The expanded Kermit > wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine? > > Jeff ---------- Vaguenes Jeff, so vague. MS-DOS Kermit should run just fine on your XT if it has enough memory (512KB is more than enough); floppy based is ok too if you don't mind the delays. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 21:35:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:24:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:24:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!news.cs.ucla.edu!bern From: bern@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Bernard Chen) Subject: initialization string Message-Id: Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: maui.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: 27 Sep 1994 21:35:03 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was using with cku189. the modem is a microcom. i keep getting an error: TIMEOUT in initializing modem. i didn't copy down the exact error message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem. this initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine with cku189. would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working? bern bern@cs.ucla.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:27:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:27:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:27:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and > "set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will > work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the > latter is the current situation. This is similar to the current > situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I > just want to run this thing" user. > Au contraire -- today's user does not want to learn any commands, and is no more likely to stumble upon this one than any other. This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of communications software. They raise the expectations of users unreasonably high. There is no way that communications software can know what is going on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. At some point, the user has to learn something, at least when things don't work. So yes, maybe you have a point. Maybe Kermit should be tuned for "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead", and then it would fail about half the time, and then the user would be forced to look stuff up in the documentation and learn about the things that every user must know in order to communicate successfully in a diverse or hostile environment. Or not. More likely they would be so angry and frustrated that they would just give up. Which is worse? I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we want them to. The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype. I think the conservative ones are still the most appropriate. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:36:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:37:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:37:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: initialization string Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:36:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36aaao$qv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article bern@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Bernard Chen) writes: > i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know > if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was > using with cku189. the modem is a microcom. i keep getting an error: > TIMEOUT in initializing modem. i didn't copy down the exact error > message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem. this > initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine > with cku189. would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working? > As you know, C-Kermit 5A(190) is in Beta test. You should send bug reports straight to me. In this case, I would have asked you to collect a debug log ("log debug", makes a big file called debug.log) and email it to me. Here's another thing you can do. First, run C-Kermit 5A(189), tell it to "set dial display on", and give a dial command. Watch what happens. Better still, record it in a typescript. Then do the same with 190. Then look at the typescript and see if you can dope out what is different. Send me the typescript by email. If I can't figure it out from the type- script, then we can go to the big debug log. Also, bear in mind that I don't have a Microcom modem, so this debugging might have to be carried out by "remote control". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 22:41:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:39:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:39:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections Date: 27 Sep 1994 22:41:57 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36a73l$dke@knot.queensu.ca> References: <36761n$3ia@knot.queensu.ca> <367d3p$ddh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Frank for his explanation. Last night I was doing some more testing with the same Kermit programs, the same test files, the same PC, the same telnet server, and a different Unix host. When I configured the host to unprefix 255, uploads caused retries. When I prefixed 255 the retries went away. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:04:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:43:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:43:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!mcshub!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!muss.cis.McMaster.CA!not-for-mail From: dfraser@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (Doug Fraser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via tn3270 Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:04:14 -0400 Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Lines: 30 Message-Id: <36a8de$pri@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> References: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, Philip Wirtz wrote: >I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when >connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, >download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the >Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an >alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up >through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to >upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to >the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when >using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot >upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that >escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore >to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to a 7171 looks like a local 3274 type control unit to the ibm mainframe and translate the special 3270 type control characters to the async terminal connectedt to it. tn3270 does the same thing however, the 7171 has already translated the characters. To use tn3270, you have to connect to something like a 8232 (I can't remember if this is the right number) or a BTI box. There is associated tcp software on the ibm mainframe. The 7171 does not have associated software on the mainframe as it does the necessary translation inside. Doug Fraser (use the above answer as if I hadn't worked hands on with mvs for three years) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:41:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:50:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu!jycha From: jycha@bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Jong-Yul Cha) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Initializing kermit Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:41:01 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 5 Message-Id: <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem. Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or .kermrc) to have an automated call? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 23:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:54:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 19:54:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Date: 27 Sep 1994 19:42:49 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 36 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36aalp$9pe@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If you want to make some money you can start trying to collect from these CD publishers, but if you want to keep Kermit spreading you better let people spread the programs any way they can, and *sell* the manuals. Actually I thought you did that anyway. People tend to use zmodem over Kermit because it has so many old versions out there. The latest version may outperform zmodem in some test or other, but when calling another system chances are that the speed will be poor because one end didn't set left handed sliding hexadecimal escape packets or some such. The next enhancement to Kermit better be teaching it to configure itself, because the current version has enough bells and whistles to tune to discourage the business person who just wants it to work. I get little consulting calls fairly frequently to tune complex stuff, and the only thing which brings in more calls than getting Kermit to really fly is Telebit modems. I think you should make your money from leting these people go and selling the manuals and a CD with the latest versions of every Kermit version you have. I don't speak for other UNIX users, but I certainly would buy a reasonably priced Kermit snapshot once a year. I'd probably even put a stack on the corner of my table at the next computer show if I could buy for a few bucks off in small quantity, and I bet clubs would order copies too. I respect what you are trying to do here, but I seriously believe that you don't have a clear marketing plan here. Set up an "official Kermit Answer Center" with a 950 area code and charge a small fee. You may not be as much fun as phone sex, but I bet you can make a buck at it! -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:04:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:05:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:05:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Initializing kermit Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:04:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36abv9$t18@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36aaid$4q9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jycha@bach.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Jong-Yul Cha) writes: > I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem. > Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as > atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or > ..kermrc) to have an automated call? Thank you. > Of course. I'd recommend something like this. Create a DOS Batch file, say SLIP.BAT, that starts up Kermit for SLIP, something like: kermit -f slip.scr And then the SLIP.SCR file would contain the needed Kermit commands, which depend on your modem and so on. But, as you know, this is only the first step. Now you need to exit from Kermit, leaving the connection open, and then start your SLIP8250 or ETHERSLIP driver, and then start Kermit again to actually use the SLIP connection (or you can start any other TCP/IP application that uses SLIP). You should not start the packet driver from the Kermit prompt, because that will result in fragmented memory, and you might not be able to load other applications after that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:16:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!tem From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transmit command 7 bit only? Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:16:52 GMT Organization: HSU Library Lines: 10 Message-Id: <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Reply-To: tem@scout.humboldt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: scout.humboldt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason why this is happening. Thanks, Tom Mendenhall tem@scout.humboldt.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:42:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:42:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 20:42:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transmit command 7 bit only? Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:42:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36ae4v$2hb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36aclk$okp@nic-nac.CSU.net> tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) writes: > I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic > characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations > with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone > know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason > why this is happening. > You did not say which Kermit program you are using. Assuming it is MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit... Terminal connections -- including the TRANSMIT command, which uses the terminal connection to upload a file as if you were typing it -- are 7 bits by default. This is explained repeatedly in the documentation. The reason is that many hosts and services use parity, but the poor user doesn't know it, and if terminal connections were 8 bits by default, users would see garbage on their screens. To use 8-bit text in a terminal session, you must do two things: (1) Tell Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8, and (2) set up the appropriate character-set translations. Please read the chapter on International Character Sets in the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 00:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:33:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Sep 1994 21:33:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!emba-news.uvm.edu!moose.uvm.edu!rdangel From: rdangel@moose.uvm.edu (Robert S. Dangel) Subject: Windows Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> Originator: rdangel@moose.uvm.edu Sender: news@emba.uvm.edu Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, University of Vermont Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:14:00 GMT Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 28 04:30:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:56:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 00:56:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:30:29 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >The notice >says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute >the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That >seems to be very reasonable to me. > Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution >process. The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly from Columbia. The only difference from this end is that you have a choice about the CDROMs and for most people it is a cheaper alternative. Since the CDROM distributers don't attempt to restrict your access by other means or prevent futher redistribution of the contents they are clearly selling the service of distribution in the same sense that the phone companies do. If either distribution makes a profit it is only indirectly related to the content. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 05:28:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:04:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:04:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!oconnort From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions Date: 28 Sep 1994 05:28:50 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 21 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36auui$f89@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <35scpt$lki@agate.berkeley.edu> <361ifo$rje@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > 2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into > it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations, > tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index. ... and the hard work shows on every page. The first chapter in the MS Kermit book alone is worth the price. I get a steady parade of lost souls at my door, some of them terrified of their modems and utterly confused about how a file gets from Point A to Point B. In every case but one, I have been able to explain how things work by pulling the book off the shelf and reviewing the pictures in the first chapter. (The one exception was a lost cause!) --tim o'connor +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tim O'Connor tim.oconnor@nyu.edu NYU Academic Computing Facility Phone: (212) 998-3024 251 Mercer St., New York, NY 10012 Fax: (212) 995-4120 From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 08:31:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:37:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 06:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!hydro.com!usenet From: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Selective quoting of control chars Date: 28 Sep 1994 08:31:03 GMT Organization: Hydro Data, Norsk Hydro (Norway) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36b9k7$2vdl@vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com> Reply-To: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Nntp-Posting-Host: sk08ts.hda.hydro.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote my own Kermit implementation from scratch about 10 years ago, using just the protocol spec. A couple of years later I extended it with sliding window and large packets, whereupon I finally added the obvious extension of allowing a selective set of control chars to be unquoted. I've noticed that this capability is now included in CKermit, and I would like to make my program compatible with the standard. (I assume this is implemented as a single feature bit in the capability mask, plus a list of characters to not quote, probably in the form of a bitset.) Where can I find the current (190) protocol spec? -Terje From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 14:36:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:37:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:37:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, TCP/IP, and PPP dial-in Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:36:54 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36bv26$8qc@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My local university runs a dial-in port which accepts PPP dial-ins. I'm trying to figure out how to get my MS-Kermit 3.13 to interface with PPP. I see from the MS-Kermit book that there are a number of 'set tcp/ip' commands that can be issued. I'm also rather new at this stuff (I've only used MS-Kermit in the 'usual' asynchronous mode until now), so I'm a little unclear as to what I need to do to get my PPP dial-in package to work with Kermit TCP/IP support. Anyone out there doing this type of thing themselves? I'd ask clearer questions but as yet I don't know what I don't know. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@eecs.umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 14:38:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:38:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:38:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit? Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:38:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36bv4p$ps8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> rdangel@moose.uvm.edu (Robert S. Dangel) writes: > Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and > the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. > The only full-function version of Kermit for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit, currently version 3.13. It is a Windows-aware DOS application. Until and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS Kermit for use with Windows. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 15:20:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:51:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:51:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news1.digex.net!usenet From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newer QL-Kermit? Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the Sinclair Quantum Leap computer? The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and have few of the currently supported features found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. Christopher Milton cmilton@access.digex.net BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989 Work (703) 358-5945 Arlington (VA) Central Library/Circulation/Reserves My other cumputer {is,will be} a Sinclair QL, eh. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 15:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:59:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 11:59:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:59:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36c3s4$2u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear friends, I suppose I knew that this newsgroup would not last more than a week before it deteriorated into a hot debate over software distribution policies. I have received numerous personal message to the effect of "you are shooting yourself in the foot", "please reconsider!", "why don't you charge for support?", "why don't you set up a 900 number?", etc etc. I don't have time to respond to each of these personally, so I trust their senders are reading this. The idea of this newsgroup is to exchange useful information about Kermit software. Rather than the developers and tech support people answering questions on a one-to-one basis (which, of course, we still do), we hoped that also answering them in a public forum would increase our productivity and yours -- allowing us to spend less time on tech support and more on development, since more people would see each question and answer, and allowing users to see answers to their questions in many cases before they even asked them. Meanwhile, we have been working hard on new releases of all the major Kermit programs, and the last thing we -- or you, dear readers -- need is to be drawn into yet another endless debate over our software distribution policies, a debate which has already run its course many times over on other newsgroups. Please pay attention to the following points: NOTHING HAS CHANGED. There is nothing new going on. Look at the copyright notice (this one is from C-Kermit): Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The C-Kermit software may not be, in whole or in part, licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, nor may it be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. This copyright notice must not be removed, altered, or obscured. What does this mean? It does NOT mean that there cannot be ftp mirror sites. There have ALWAYS been ftp mirror sites. It DOES mean that our software cannot be SOLD by anyone without our permission. This is nothing more than common sense. When the proprietor of a particular ftp site posts a public message saying "Due to Columbia's restrictive prohibitions we are removing all Kermit software from our server", think about what they are really saying: "Because Columbia University won't let us copy their copyrighted software, without their permission, onto our CDROM which we sell, we are taking it off our ftp server, which also serves as the master for our CDROM." Quite honestly, and with no intention of offending any particular, this means that they are not willing or able to set up special procedures for making CDROMs that are not wholesale copies of their ftp directories. We have not asked ANYBODY to remove Kermit software from their ftp sites. But, as I have stated repeatedly, if you get Kermit software from one of these ftp mirror sites, and you have problems with it, it is very likely going to be difficult for us to help you with your problems because we have no control over those sites and we do not know, and do not have the time to learn, which files, which versions, are there and how they might have been reorganized, renamed, or edited, and even if we discover problems with the Kermit software at these sites, we have no way to correct them, and even if we did, it would be a waste of our time. If, however, you get Kermit software from Columbia by ftp or by mail order, then we can help you because we KNOW what we have, and if there are mistakes we can correct them. Thus, we RECOMMEND that if you are ftp'ing Kermit software from somewhere, that somewhere should be kermit.columbia.edu. This is not to say that some of the ftp sites, such as Garbo and Simtel (which I have never had the time to check out personally, because I have too many other, higher-priority demands on my time), are not 100% faithful and up-to-date and perhaps even carry some added value. If you find an ftp site other than Columbia that you can trust, fine -- use it. But before you come to us for help, make sure the problems you are experiencing were not introduced at the mirror site. Now, about CDROMs... No, you can't put our software on a CDROM and sell it without our permission, period. You can't put ANYBODY'S copyrighted software on a CDROM and sell it without permission of the copyright holder. They key word here is "permission". Just ask. We'll discuss it and see how mutually beneficial terms can be arranged. And in fact that is exactly what is happening in numerous cases, including with Garbo and Simtel, and some of the Linux distributors, etc. We don't need to flood the airwaves with inflammatory postings based upon incomplete knowledge. Just remember that without an agreement that is beneficial to both the CDROM maker and Columbia, the CDROM maker gets the money and we get the extra work, AND we lose income we might otherwise have had. I appreciate the many suggestions about how we can make the money we need, but we already know our options. Please remember that Kermit software comes from a University and our "business" operates under constraints that you are not familiar with, and you don't need to be. As an end-user, you can get Kermit software, with quality control, with support, all free (unless of course you elect to purchase the documentation, which we view as a good investment -- it saves you time, gives you quick access to all the features of the software, frees up our time for more productive work, and helps pay for our continued development and support efforts). As an entrepreneur, however, if you want to make money from our work, you have to give something back, and you have to discuss this with us and reach an agreement before you can go ahead. If there are still people who believe that we should place no restrictions on the commercial redistribution of our software, just remember the story of the goose that laid the golden egg. I would like to think that there are people who would like to see the Kermit effort continue, and these people have to understand that we need to fund our work, and we want to do this in the way that is least painful and offensive to the END USER. If, however, these constant attacks on our policies continue, forces will eventually come into play that will compel us to take a more rigid stance, or shut down altogether, and everybody will lose. So please, let us run our own "business", use our software in good health, and let's put this newsgroup back as it was last week -- a forum for the exchange of useful information. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 03:33:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:01:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:01:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Sep 94 09:33:50 MDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>The notice >>says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute >>the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That >>seems to be very reasonable to me. >> Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution >>process. > > The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is > somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers > and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly > from Columbia. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com -------- The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction. That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions. BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much the same as the CDROM case, in my view. Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our product without our permission. Guess who is going to all kinds of trouble to ensure that the programs remain free? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 17:03:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:03:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:03:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newer QL-Kermit? Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:03:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36c7l6$8mi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Chris Milton writes: > Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the > Sinclair Quantum Leap computer? > The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu > use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and > have few of the currently supported features > found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. > Not to my knowledge. And knowing nothing about the QL, I'd recommend -- if it does not have a restrictive memory architecture and if it does have a C compiler -- adapting C-Kermit. If anybody is interested in pursuing this, get in touch with me and I'll help get you started. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 17:46:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:46:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 13:46:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Solved Kermit download problem, sort of Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:46:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 107 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36ca5k$c7j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roland Kwee writes: > ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500 > bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a > throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a > problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server, > or in the remote modem. > As you may know, Cisco terminal servers (certain models) support hardware flow control in one direction only, In any case, they must be configured to use it, and so must the attached modem. > By the way, on the cisco, I do a 'terminal download', on the remote > Sun, I don't use stty to set crtscts, and the remote Kermit (189) > says 'no modem signals available'. > Right -- it's on a pty. Since you are coming in through a terminal server, you should also tell the remote Kermit to "set flow none" since TCP/IP is handling the flow control. > Here is my question. What do you know about the packet size used by > between the modems? This may be factor both in preventing buffer overflow > at the remote cisco, and in the ultimate throughput. Using a small packet > size less than 500 bytes, but just filling a modem block might be just > very efficient. And the difference in result between my 200 and 250 byte > packet size may be caused by the modems too. > Maybe -- you have many factors in play here: two modems, the serial side of the terminal server, the configuration of the two modems, the configuration of the terminal server port, the network side of the terminal server, the telnet server on the host, the pty driver on the host, etc -- you could spend a week or two trying to pin down exactly where the bottleneck is. And then you would know about only one connection (on a given day!) out of an infinite number of possible connections. > So far, in the Kermit books, the issue of the terminal server is > mentioned in passing, and the issue of the block protocol between the > MNP5 and V42b modems not at all. > There is not much point in second-guessing the modems. A detailed study of the various MNP levels (at least ten at last count), V.42 and V.42bis, and their interaction with the various modulation techniques as implemented in a wide variety of chips from different manufacturers, as programmed and packaged by an even wider variety of manufacturers, and the specific interactions of modem A with modem B over a connection with particular characteristics (noise, etc), transmitting a particular type of data, would reveal very little that could be applied in the general case. Even to the extent that MNPx and V.y are standards, their particular implementation -- and variable parameters -- are completely unpredictable from modem to modem, and from PROM version to PROM version in the same modem make and model. Some modems even have... bugs. > Another, related issue, is that there are rumours that the modems > actually connect SYNCHRONOUSLY. They don't transmit the start and stop > bits. As a result, the theoretical 100 percent throughput of a 14.4KB > modem is not 1440 cps, but 1800 cps. Do you know anything about this? > Yes, the higher modem standards do this. But the serial interfaces, in and out, are still asynchronous, 10 bits per character. And there is some overhead to synchronous connections too, though generally far less than the 20% overhead added by start & stop bits. Plus the overhead added by the HDLC-like error-correction protocols used by V.42, etc. > Another issue that may be very important, but is not in the Kermit books, > is what I call the size of the pipeline. With a packet size of p, and > window size of w, there is a maximum of p times w bytes at any given > instant in buffers between the two kermits. I guess that if my > system administrator says that I should reduce the blocksize to 1000 > to prevent problems with the cisco, I should make p * w < 1000. > Correct. But most modern Kermit programs will take care of this themselves automatically, after the first few buffer overflows. But of course, you can get better performance if you set the optimal limit beforehand, assuming you can find out what it is, and then it doesn't change out from under you during the course of the transfer. > If the flow control is not perfect between all components between > the two kermits, those kermits maintain their own handshake with the > ACK packets. To be absolutely safe, I should find the smallest buffer > and keep p * w smaller than that buffer. And that buffer could well > be the block size used by the modems. > Or any other limiting device. > Sorry for my rambling style, but I am very excited that after so many > months of struggling I finally get good results. > While it is sometimes helpful to understand the issues in elaborate detail, in the final analysis there are limitations on every connection, and the limitations apply to all protocols that want to use it. The easiest way to cope with a difficult connection is to (a) first, ensure that you have the most effective possible means of flow control in effect at every juncture of the connection, and then (b) conduct a few experiments regarding packet length and window size, and use whatever combination results in the highest throughput. If the efficiency is still really bad, and it is a connection that will be used a lot, it makes sense to devote some time to isolating and clearing the bottleneck. In a connection like this one, it is very likely to be the buffering and/or flow-control capacity of the terminal server. Over the past years, I've done detailed evaluations of terminal servers and found just about every one of them lacking in some crucial area: flow control and/or buffer size and/or transparency. There is also a tendency for newer modems to be buggy, and there is also a good chance that your line is noisy -- if your modem has a "retrain" light, keep an eye on it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 19:42:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:05:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:05:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!mosspc.TTI.COM!moss From: moss@tti.com (Les Moss) Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Message-Id: Lines: 105 Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: mosspc.tti.com Organization: TTI X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:42:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: >From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) >Subject: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) >Date: 22 Sep 1994 07:37:07 GMT >>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts >>it uses from my old to my new system. >[......] >>On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my >>new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon >>as the line is dropped after filling in all info. >>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit? The problem is probably your I/O chip which incorrectly emulates a 16550 UART. Here is a description of the problem and a source of fixes: SMC 37C665 SUPER I/O CONTROLLER SERIAL PORT FAILURES 3-22-94 An incompatibility has been discovered between the Standard Microsystems Corporation FDC37C665 Super I/O controller serial port and various communication programs and serial port drivers. DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs. If data has been received while in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register gets set. Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and character pending status bit cannot be cleared. Communication applications see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an attempt to empty it and clear the status bit. The result is the status register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a loop trying to clear it. END USER IMPLICATIONS Potentially, any application or driver that makes use of the serial port FIFOs may exhibit this failure symptom. Failures have been reported by users running Microsoft Windows For Workgroups V3.11 TERMINAL.EXE application with an external modem attached to the on-board serial port. One failing scenario starts when the PC system is powered-up prior to the modem being powered up and invalid characters get placed into the 16450 holding register. The problem has also been reported when running Microsoft Windows V3.1 and using a printer connected to the serial port. The system experiences a "lock -up" condition. The problem can also show up while running DOS based communication programs such as Procomm+ or Crosstalk. SOLUTION There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS . The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450 holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode. There is no performance degradation experienced when using the "new" drivers. Please refer to the following description of the drivers. These drivers have been through regression testing and are known to be "robust". They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file). SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the following files: FILE NAME OPERATING SYSTEM COMMENTS README.TXT N/A A copy of this text file. SERIAL.386 Windows for Workgroups MS WfW serial port driver. SERIAL.TXT N/A Install instructions for SERIAL.386. COMM.DRV Windows 3.1 MS Win3.1 comm port driver. COMM.TXT N/A Install instructions for COMM.DRV. COMS.EXE DOS Executable file to be run prior to starting DOS communications S/W. COMS.TXT N/A Readme file for COMS.EXE. These drivers are also available on the SMC BBS (516-273-4936) and the Microsoft BBS (206-936-6735) under the following file names: FILE NAME OPERATING SYSTEM COMMENTS WG1001.EXE Windows for Workgroups Self-extracting zip file. This driver is currently being shipped with the OEM versions of WFW. COMM.ZIP Windows 3.1 UART550.EXE DOS Self-extracting zip file. The file can be added to a batch file to run prior to running the DOS communication program. In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the component that fixes this problem. We will use this new stepping of the component on new product builds when it becomes available. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 20:52:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:19:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:19:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 28 Sep 1994 16:52:40 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 62 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, :This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the :idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is :unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of :communications software. Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens." : They raise the expectations of users unreasonably :high. Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high. : There is no way that communications software can know what is going :on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can :even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations, then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a "say what?" message. :I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the :two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we :want them to. The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for :somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype. I think the :conservative ones are still the most appropriate. The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well, instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up. The way to fund the Kermit support is to make the program less arcane, have it work right more of the time, and use the saved time to program improvements. Restricting distribution so average users don't get it with popular collections is not going to increase usage, and if there is a user who isn't aware that s/he should get newer versions of everything, they're hiding. In the last week you have gotten two major sites to stop distributing Kermit. You may think the world will beat a path to your ftp site now, but I bet people will just take another program off the site they know, or the CD of the collection from that site, and if it's shareware at least a few will register. Chuck Forsberg (sp?) must be dancing in glee. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 22:34:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:34:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:34:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Date: 28 Sep 1994 22:34:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36cr19$711@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: > In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > ... > The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is > complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune > them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size > instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well, > instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule > buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down > until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up. > Sure it would be great if we could get it to work automatically every time. Perhaps I downplayed what it already does automatically. Packet size and window size are indeed negotiated, and the actual packet length and window size varies during the transfer according to prevailing conditions, but never above the negotiated lengths. Parity (Even, Odd, or Mark) is discovered automatically by the protocol. Timers are a bit trickier and need more work to be optimized automatically on a dynamic basis as conditions change. Control-character unprefixing cannot be negotiated. That's because neither Kermit program knows anything about what boxes are lying between the two Kermit programs, and so can never say with any certainty that a particular control character is safe. You can't send a test pattern either, without the risk of breaking or hopelessly wedging the connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 21:32:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:46:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 18:46:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:32:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36cncp$oac@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ts@chyde.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: :Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The The negotiations to resolve the situation between Garbo and Columbia have now broken down. The MsKermit material has been permanently withdrawn from Garbo. From now on I am anwering no questions relating to this matter or MsKermit or its availablity. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 21:57:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:55:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 19:55:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!mcrware.microware.com!jejones From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: info utilities and old Kermits Date: 28 Sep 1994 21:57:30 GMT Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36cosa$639@mcrware.microware.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.microware.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use a certain "information utility," and in the past I used a different one (it cost too much). I'd love to use Kermit for file transfers to/from it--end-of-line conversion for text files is a pain--but the utility has a very old, limited Kermit, and despite repeated pleas has no apparent intention of upgrading. Does anyone keep track of what services out there support up-to-date Kermit file transfer? James Jones Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 00:34:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:37:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:37:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!balsam!usenet From: Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 00:34:28 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 12 Message-Id: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN version 0.80 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge receiving it, sends another packet, etc. Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. (BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea). Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 01:47:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:47:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Sep 1994 21:47:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 01:47:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) writes: > I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading > a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge > receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > > Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" > without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus > are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with > the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. > No. Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking and sequencing information. I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control at various levels, presentation functions, etc. And don't forget that errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium -- lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc. > (BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea). > I'm beginning to wonder... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 08:43:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:23:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 05:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped) Date: 29 Sep 1994 08:43:37 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 55 Message-Id: <36dunp$6gh@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <35pesr$sun@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> <35rc73$l8s@archsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu moss@tti.com (Les Moss) writes: >DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM >The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later >programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to >operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs. If data has been received while >in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed >into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register >gets set. Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and >character pending status bit cannot be cleared. Communication applications >see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an >attempt to empty it and clear the status bit. The result is the status >register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a >loop trying to clear it. In my case Kermit started up just fine, apparently using the chips in FIFO mode, run a script, hung up the line and then failed. It seems to me that after the hang-up Kermit is reinitializing the ports all over again without testing first while the chips were already in FIFO mode. BTW Kermit 3.14 (I got a beta version to test and they asked me not to distribute, so don't ask) works fine, but I don't understand Joe's remarks that only 2x4 cures helped. I don't think this is such a big problem with the chips. >There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for >Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS . The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450 >holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode. Is it just me or is this a wise thing to do anyway? You'll lose a character I guess but you are switching modes and not picking up on an existing communication. BTW why doesn't the computer (or chips) come back to the living when a character arrives that CAN be retrieved? >They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name >SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file). SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the >following files: Could somebody place these files up for ftp somewhere? Please, please. >In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the >component that fixes this problem. We will use this new stepping of the >component on new product builds when it becomes available. I purchased my computer and card in September. I can't imagine my supplier has a backlog of old components (or they are buying them cheap), so has there been a delay in getting these new components out? Thanks for the info! Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 09:52:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:01:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 06:01:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:52:16 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36e2og$4ad@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:293 comp.archives.msdos.d:8832 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: : The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. :The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific :browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but :the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction. :That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others :and covered by copyright restrictions. Partly, but it is much more than that. For example SimTel (and Garbo if we'll have a CDROM) sell the directory arrangements, the index files, the huge amount of work done in preselection, the virus and integrity testing performed on the material. Of course those could not exists without the existence of the actual authors' product, but saying "trading for profit in works copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions" is far too narrow a view to this issue as I have tried to point out in private conversation. You have all the right to forbid us having your material on our archives as a result of our material going to CDROMs. That is unequivocal, and we abide without a protest in that respect. But presenting us as commercially utilizing the work others is inaccurate and highly oversimplified. There is a considerable value added in maintaining and making such colections. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 04:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:06:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 07:06:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!xenitec!nic.hookup.net!matrix!matrix.ajlc.waterloo.on.ca!ajlill From: ajlill@matrix.AJLC.Waterloo.On.Ca (Tony Lill) Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 20 Sep 1994 18:28:06 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@tlill.hookup.net (Net News Admin) Organization: A. J. Lill Consultants, Cambridge, Ont. References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 04:00:44 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: In article <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: Frank> In article <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> Frank> jamulla@iao.ford.com (John Jamulla) writes: >> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? >> Frank> Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. Frank> For some the answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, Frank> of course, the answer is no. A fundamental aspect of the Frank> UNIX operating system is that when a process exits, all of Frank> its open files are closed. There is no way around it. But Frank> this is not really the question you wanted to ask. Right answer, but wrong reason. I use a kermit script to automate dialing up my IP providor on my UNIX box, and then it runs a script to start up the slip link. When the slip link is up, the is another process holding the device open, but much to my chagrin, when I exited Kermit, it went out ot it's way to hang up the modem. What I ended up doing was at the end ot the shell script that started slip, I grabbed kermit's pid from the lock file and killed process (after playing with the lock files so nothing else tried to go for the tty). This left the device open, and slip running. It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in. -- Tony Lill, Tony.Lill@AJLC.Waterloo.ON.CA President, A. J. Lill Consultants (519) 241 2461 539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont. fax/data (519) 650 3571 "Welcome to All Things UNIX, where if it's not UNIX, it's CRAP!" From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 12:46:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 08:46:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 08:46:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Date: 29 Sep 1994 12:46:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36ecv3$kci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ajlill@matrix.AJLC.Waterloo.On.Ca (Tony Lill) writes: > It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it > hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip > link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed > the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in. > When Kermit exits (_exit's), all open file descriptors are closed. In most UNIX operating systems, if you close a file descriptor on a tty device, it turns off DTR, either momentarily or until the next open, thus causing any attached modem to hang up unless it has been configured to ignore DTR. If you are able to prevent that from happening by having another process use the same file descriptor, fine, but I can't swear that this will work in all UNIX implementations -- any close vs last close, etc. What you might be experiencing is a hangup due to Kermit sending the *modem* command to hang up: plus-plus-plusATH0. To defeat this, all you need to do is tell Kermit to "set dial modem-hangup off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 13:31:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:31:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:31:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 29 Sep 1994 13:31:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM. But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing more than get-rich-quick schemes. Start up gopher in the evening, come back in the morning, copy everything that came in to a tape, take it to a fulfillment house that will cut 1000 CDROMs from it for a dollar each, then advertise them for sale at $20 per. Anybody can do it. How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? Finally, once again and for the last time: We, Columbia University, did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove Kermit software from their archives. These sites elected to remove Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites. I posted a long message about this yesterday, explaining our position in detail, but Keith Peterson (of Simtel) was kind enough to point out that I had mistakenly capitalized "World" in the Distribution field, and so many sites might have rejected it, since the planets did not match. I hesitate to post it again lest the embers be fanned again into flames. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 28 11:29:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:59:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 09:59:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 28 Sep 1994 20:59:13 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 30 Message-Id: <36bk29$mb9@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 : > : > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to : > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. : > : > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? : ------------- : If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK : to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware : port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your : example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is : able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware : to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last : used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no : guarantees that this always works. : The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via : Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. Hmm, I'll check with David Nugent (BNU author) about it, as SET PORT BIOS 2 hasn't worked for me when BNU was loaded. BTW, MS-Kermit has been great for logging modem connect failure diagnostics when running a bbs. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 13:28:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:16:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:16:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 09:28:02 -0400 References: <36cncp$oac@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." *** Error, brain bugcheck, mind rebooted... From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:22:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 29 Sep 1994 15:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the > loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still > be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? > Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed. Of course Kermit software is available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with it. Our policies have not changed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:04:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:49:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:48:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 29 Sep 1994 09:04:00 -0600 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission Summary: Need recomendation on Net card. Keywords: TCPIP, MS-Kermit, Ethernet X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX, but that probably doesn't matter). I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines. Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it. (Joe maybe?) -Fozz (D L Barton) -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 02:20:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 12:44:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 12:44:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability Message-Id: <1994Sep29.082003.28169@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 08:20:03 MDT References: <36a12c$4qu@news.halcyon.com> <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36cl2o$cmq@usenety1.news.prodigy.com>, davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: > In article <36a9p5$q9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > > :This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the > :idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is > :unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of > :communications software. > > Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of > making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and > establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is > while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding > code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens." > > : They raise the expectations of users unreasonably > :high. > > Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high. > > : There is no way that communications software can know what is going > :on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can > :even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion. > > You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this > window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations, > then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most > cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my > windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound > destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a > "say what?" message. May I interject a little reality check here? Thanks. You are inventing straw men, those windows things. What you clearly do not know is the protocol negotiates such items to the maximum common denominator of both sides. That's exactly what you want isn't it: max capability, automatically. You seem to think that a person can Command a comms channel into submission ("here's the packet size...eight bit clean") and it will work. I wish you were correct so we could have less code and commands to give. As we have been trying to explain, there are situations where one can't run an automatic check, 8-bit cleanliness being one of them, buffer capacity being another. Things break outside of the programs, they really do. So what's your real complaint? Well, I suspect it might be "It doesn't go at warp speed in MY particular situation right out of the box." Right? Do you ever have to adjust any comms program at all? No boxes to check, etc? What do you tell customers when the program doesn't work in their nebulous environment? Kermit settings are shipped to work the first time, which I presume is a worthy goal of any program. Working faster (but one goal, another being reliably) is available to anyone who reads a few pages and tries things in their particular enviroment. And we provide the tools and documentation to cope with a wide variety of "their particular environments", yet you complain about that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 06:00:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:17:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:17:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!jeff Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Message-Id: <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Jeff Bangert) Date: 29 Sep 94 11:00:38 CDT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi (ts@chyde.uwasa.fi) wrote: : Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The : files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read : permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation : please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not : direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is : distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there : is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an announcement. Could someone point me to it? Thanks, Jeff Bangert, Computer Center, University of Kansas jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:10:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:21:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:21:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 18:10:26 GMT Organization: None Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET character? The reason I would like to see this is that I use the Ctrl key alot. I hold down the Ctrl key using my left hand and somtimes press another character using my right hand (e.g., Ctrl-k). Then I will move my right hand and press `enter'. However, sometimes my left hand has not fully released the Ctrl key yet and as a result, I get Ctrl-ENTER which Kermit maps to a ^J. This might be a silly issue for most but I find it frustrating. Thanks, -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:39:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:39:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:39:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:39:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET > character? > Type "show key" Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:" Push Ctrl-Enter Kermit says: Scan code \5386 is defined as Ascii char: ^J \10 Now you see the scan code and the definition. Now use SET KEY to change the definition: set key \5386 \13 (13 is the ASCII code for carriage return). Put the "set key" command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file if you always want this definition in effect. Do the same thing for any other keys or key combos that you would like to remap. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:45:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:58:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:58:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:45:41 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. Frank, this is not true. SimTel does NOT sell programs. The CD-ROMs provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet. Without this income SimTel would cease to exist. There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection. Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177. For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT! It takes 100 cents to make one dollar. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 27 16:00:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:09:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:09:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!newsgw.mentorg.com!oddball.sjc.mentorg.com!sdl!plts!big.info.att.com!allegra!ulysses!nntpa!erredfs1!not-for-mail From: pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) Subject: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Message-Id: Originator: lsl@erredfs1 Sender: lsl%erredfs1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Lisa Paterno) Nntp-Posting-Host: erredfs1.er.att.com Organization: Paul Davidson INC. Distribution: att Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 16:00:11 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ -- The Opinions Expressed Are Soley Mine And Do Not In Any Way Express The Opinions Of My Employer. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 14:57:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:33:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL Date: 30 Sep 1994 00:27:18 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36ekke$7o2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Sep23.130448.27699@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : > Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2 : > : > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to : > work with BNU loaded on COM2:. : > : > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way? : ------------- : If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK : to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware : port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your : example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is : able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware : to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last : used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no : guarantees that this always works. : The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via : Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do. : Joe D. I gave using the BIOS serial port a try, using BNU/I=1+ as David Nugent suggested. Kermit didn't like BIOS2 at 19200 bps though... My original means of operation (leaving BNU loaded and running MS-Kermit on Port 2) seems to work fine. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:02:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 17:36:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!pf2d+ From: Pedro Ferroni Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 15:02:06 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit version that responds IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87 1) Should I get a new one ? (and how) 2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. Thanks for the info. Pedro Westinghouse Pittsburgh ferroni.ped%wec@dialcom.tymnet.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 19:31:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:03:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:03:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 29 Sep 1994 19:31:03 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 28 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36f4ln$fja@news.halcyon.com> References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d6c9$l0s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) >writes: >> I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading >> a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge >> receiving it, sends another packet, etc. >> >> Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >> without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >> are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >> the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. >> >No. Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking >and sequencing information. I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of >tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control >at various levels, presentation functions, etc. And don't forget that >errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium -- >lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc. Also with proper settings kermit does not run in the start-stop mode described by Honeycutt. As I understand it, that's what the "set window-size" command deals with -- you can have as many as 31 unacknowledged packets pending, so the sender has only a most negligable delay when checking for ACKs (assuming the transmission is going smoothly). --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 21:08:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:05:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:05:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:08:53 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Mathematics Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > character? : > : Type "show key" : Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:" : Push Ctrl-Enter : Kermit says: : Scan code \5386 is defined as : Ascii char: ^J \10 This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. It shows: Ascii char: ^J \10 decimal is defined as self, no translation. Was this fixed in a patch? _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:12:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:12:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:12:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36fe3t$jdi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409291845.AA6057@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > Frank, this is not true. SimTel does NOT sell programs. The CD-ROMs > provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support > the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to > be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet. Without this > income SimTel would cease to exist. > > There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection. > Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177. > For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT! > It takes 100 cents to make one dollar. > Making every effort to clear the air on a cordial note -- and despite the appearance of a flame war, we're all friends here... Keith is correct. I misspoke if I said that Simtel was selling software. Organizations like Simtel provide a valuable service, provided they do a good and consciencious job, as (I am sure) Simtel does. Unfortunately, in the case of Kermit, which is not shareware, there is a conflict that can't be resolved easily or at all. And so we agree that mail-order distribution of Kermit software on physical media will be done by Columbia, or by agreement with Columbia, so we can get the income we need to continue our work. I admit, 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty good deal! But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs. With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as Simtel's are perfect for shareware. All the author has to do is write the software and then sit back and collect money. However, despite suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:13:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:13:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:13:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) writes: > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:18:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:18:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:18:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:18:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <36fef2$k1t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Pedro Ferroni writes: > I have a kermit version that responds > IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87 > 1) Should I get a new one ? (and how) > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. > 2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter > password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. > Purchase and read the manual. It has an entire chapter devoted to script programming, with plenty of examples (language of your choice): Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 22:22:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:22:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > : ... > : Kermit says: > : Scan code \5386 is defined as > : Ascii char: ^J \10 > > This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. > However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level > 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. > Oops, silly me! You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key. Sorry. I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14. I'll check with Joe. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 18:15:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:37:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:37:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!seunet!news2.swip.net!seunet!kullmar!bk From: bk@kullmar.se (Bo Kullmar) Subject: A Kermit library for MS-Windows Message-Id: <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se> Organization: ABC-Klubben Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 18:15:45 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages than 94 bytes. Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)). --Bo Kullmar From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 23:04:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:41:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!billw From: billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: stuttering screen display Date: 29 Sep 1994 23:04:22 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400 fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as reading one or two news articles. I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188). I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the same results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine. Any help or pointers via email or post would be greatly appreciated since I have gotten totaly frustrated and out of options and I can't figure out if it is the modem or kermit. On downloads the most I have been able to get out of the 14400 is 1200cps but most of the time it is lower with multiple retries. -- ****************************************************************************** Bill West Houston TX email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:46:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 23:01:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Sep 1994 23:01:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 30 Sep 1994 02:46:38 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > character? : > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 15:12:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:13:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:13:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Sep29.211252.28265@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Sep 94 21:12:52 MDT References: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > > I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few > machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX, > but that probably doesn't matter). > > I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but > now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to > use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines. > > Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load > IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand > correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I > can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. > > If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it. > (Joe maybe?) --------- Doran, I guess you could have asked me directly. The Kermit Project does not endorse any network adapter. That's a choice well out of our domain. Any of the three common driver/handler programs: ODI, NDIS, Packet Drivers, will work with MS-DOS Kermit (NDIS requires the dis_pkt9 shim). If you are accustomed to ODI then please remember that IPX is just an ODI client, just the same as Kermit is, side by side. Please see the distribution file MSKERM.BWR on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a. One more thing. Kermit does NOT contain an Ethernet driver. Consequently the Packet Driver interrupt has no relation with a hardware IRQ from a board. Kermit will find a Packet Driver all by itself, or you can force its attention on one interrupt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 30 04:29:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:27:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:27:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sisters.cs.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:29:01 -0700 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: Most BBS-es have old, lame Kermit versions built-in Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners of zmodem lobbying against it? Kermit deserves better. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 30 04:32:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:46:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 00:46:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Solved Kermit download problem, sort of Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:32:35 -0700 Lines: 17 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36g4d3$m42@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <36ca5k$c7j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Roland Kwee writes: >> ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500 >> bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a >> throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a >> problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server, >> or in the remote modem. (many lines deleted) Please be informed that my problems seem to be linked to running Kermit under Linux. When rebooting with DOS on the same hardware, KErmit seems to be able to download with 1000-byte packets with no problem. Now I am rather thinking of a problem with Linux instead of with the protocol. --Roland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 05:57:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:10:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:10:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:57:14 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations. This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution of Kermit. You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way you see fit other than selling it. Users' groups and shareware distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium and duplication costs. Bulletin boards may not charge additional fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal connect-time and/or membership charges. You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell. In the case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM. Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 08:47:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 05:48:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de!rhein!jreinert From: jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) Subject: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Message-Id: Keywords: BASIC,Kermit Sender: news@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de (Unix-News-System) Nntp-Posting-Host: rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:47:01 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in the public domain? Thanks for any input Joachim Reinert -- Joachim Reinert UNI Kaiserslautern, AG-DVS fax : +49 631 205 3558 P.O. Box 3049 phone : +49 631 205 3282 67653 Kaiserslautern - Germany e-mail: jreinert@informatik.uni-kl.de From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 20:44:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:16:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 20:44:58 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: >Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. TRANSMIT Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). Doesn't translate character sets. CRLF is sent as CR only unless SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS ON. Empty lines are sent as pairs of CRs (or CRLFS) unless SET TRANSMIT FILL is used. SET TRANSMIT Various parameters used to control TRANSMIT command. FILL-EMPTY-LINE { NONE, SPACE, } LINE-FEEDS-SENT { ON, OFF } PAUSE - pause milliseconds after sending each line. PROMPT - character to wait for before sending next line (= \10) LOG SESSION Capture a remote file, which you must TYPE, into the named file (SESSION.LOG by default). Use \Klogoff and \Klogon keyboard verbs to stop and restart logging (Ctrl-]Q, Ctrl-]R). CLOSE SESSION Stop capturing and close the session log file. There should be commands in the other versions of Kermit similar to these. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:38:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:22:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:22:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!kocrsv01!koicds01!tvmyers From: tvmyers@koicds01.icdc.delcoelect.com (Thomas V. Myers) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Sender: news@icdc.delcoelect.com (News Manager) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 02:38:01 GMT References: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Frodo Was Here X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > SimTel's policy is: > Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs > offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not > be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, > it will not be accepted. > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City > of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared > without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, > except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software > product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with > commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to > their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of > Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. > Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs > and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have > been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). > Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. > The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Keith > -- > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's suddenly time to pull Kermit off your distribution. Either you don't enforce your policy except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the copyright notices until somebody asks about them. -- Tom Myers : tvmyers@icdc.delcoelect.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 21:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:23:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 07:23:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:00:45 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt wrote: >I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading >a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge >receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > >Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus Better yet, how about continuous sending WITH error correction? Better Kermit programs all support `sliding windows,' which allows the sender to send a bunch of packets without getting an acknowledgement. Suitably configured, you can get continuous data flow and a considerable improvement in speed over the default half-duplex transfer strategy. BTW, Kermit has supported sliding windows since 1986, before ZModem existed. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:43:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:14:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:14:53 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!stepsun.uni-kl.de!sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de!weber From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:43:30 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: >> I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us... I still mourn the >> loss of Kermit from the Net. However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still >> be open? Do they have a Gopher server up yet? >> >Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed. Of course Kermit software is >available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth >time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and (although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either. Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well, also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ? I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative overhead would seem inacceptable. May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that - when met automatically allow CDROM distribution - are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet related archive CDs ? After all its a distribution way like every other, and I pay orders of magnitude more money to a local Internet provider when ftping all the stuff than when bying a Walnut Creek CDROM. Regards Christoph Weber-Fahr -- Christoph Weber-Fahr | E-Mail: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Universitaet Kaiserslautern, KIT | S-Mail: Postfach 3049 Tel. 0631/205-3391 | D-67653 Kaiserslautern -------------------------- My personal opinion only --------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:55:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:55:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 08:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:55:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36h1si$6ip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes: > I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are > programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. > The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will > serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: > Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in > the public domain? > The following Kermit programs are written in BASIC: Directory Files Comments kermit/c lux*.* Luxor ABC micros, ABC-BASIC-II kermit/d rd2*.* DG 800 RDOS kermit/c ta1*.* Tandy 100 kermit/d mbf*.* MAI Basic Four kermit/d pic*.* PICK, DATA/BASIC kermit/c hpb*.* HP-9000 BASIC workstation kermit/c hp9*.* HP-9845 BASIC workstation kermit/c hp8*.* HP86 and HP87 These are on kermit.columbia.edu. In each of these directories you will find a listing of all the Kermit programs with a name like aav???.hlp, which tells the system, OS, language, location, date of the Kermit program, and where it came from. The "???" portion of the name tells how it was sorted. ???=LNG means programming language. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:02:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stuttering screen display Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:02:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <36h28e$6vf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) writes: > > I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400 > fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal > with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually > refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one > display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back > by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as > reading one or two news articles. > > I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188). > I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the same > results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine. > These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control. You have to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it), and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control. x x I trust that is x the whole x answer x but I still x have to add x more lines x or else x the answer x won't be x posted. x - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:24:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:02:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC? Keywords: BASIC,Kermit References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:24:25 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jreinert@rhein.informatik.uni-kl.de (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes: >Hi! > >I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are >programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only. >The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will >serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime: >Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in >the public domain? That's fastinating! I'd be interested in following up on this myself, for I have a friend of mine who was recently made System Administrator for a company's new unix box. He knows MS-DOS and Business BASIC as well, but not unix. So, he spent his time setting up the system so that it runs like MS-DOS using programs like Unix WordPerfect 5.1, Lotus, etc. But when he ordered the Unix, he says he *didn't* order the C compiler, only Business BASIC! Now he's asking me how he can transfer files to the unix system via modem. I'll download the .BAS file that exists at columbia and send it his way. I hope he can hack his way through it :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:11:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:11:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:11:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!gmi.edu!ellis From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 30 Sep 94 13:11:36 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 32 Message-Id: References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.gmi.edu Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5b3.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. They all use ancient versions with tiny packets and no sliding windows. >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners >of zmodem lobbying against it? I think the answers are yes, yes, definitely yes. >Kermit deserves better. Probably, but it would help if it were easier to configure for maximum performance, or if it make more modern assumptions as the default, with a series of macros included that set for the more pessimistic setups. >--Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 ellis@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / / Gopher,chimera,nn,tin,jove,modems, free code is best!/________/ / / / / From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:00:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:00:53 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their > collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging ... > But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing > more than get-rich-quick schemes. Start up gopher in the evening, come ... > How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our > product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? Because their work is added in a way which can be reasonably compensated. Depending on the nature of the complementary work, it may not make any sense to compensate. Right now, I'm filling out little Scantron bubbles for a computing survey. Someone's going to take that data and generate a report and make money off of it, without compensating me. However, said report may lead to computing technologies which I may want to use. Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. -Mike , 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty > good deal! But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the > time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only > distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support > for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs. For the amount of work that you put into Kermit,if you do want to keep it in the context of a Columbia u. "product", have you considred applying for grant moneys to fund its support? The FSF accepts grants, and I don't believe their integrity has been corrupted as a consequence. Your model of funding your work seems bent on frustrating people who can do a better job of distributing your work than you can, which disturbs me. > With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as > Simtel's are perfect for shareware. All the author has to do is write > the software and then sit back and collect money. However, despite > suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users > want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this > even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to. You seem to imply that it's so easy for a shareware author to slap together some random hunk of chicken vomit together and make money. I'd disagree, and I'd argue that attaching one's name to a piece of crap can have bad consequences down the road. The majority of Kermit users would *want* an international 1-800 # where they could bitch and moan about their kermit woes to their heart' content, all at the expense of your people who'd have better things to do. The majority of the Kermit users probably would gleefully accept anything which doesn't get in the way of their acquisition and use of Kermit. Your policies seem to get in the way of the users, who might prefer an independent body doing virus scanning and professional bundling and such. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:30:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:13:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:30:05 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: ... >That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others >and covered by copyright restrictions. > BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much >the same as the CDROM case, in my view. > Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, >irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. > The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our >product without our permission. Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they can for it? And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:14:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:14:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:14:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:14:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) writes: > What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central > OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one > should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and > (although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either. > Fine, nobody said they could not put it on Hobbes, even though they tend to be behind the Columbia version and we waste a lot of time answering questions about this. > Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well, > also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ? > If it is on the Walnut Creek CDROM, it was put there without our permission. Either they did not read the copyright notice, or they deliberately violated it. If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor. Read on and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already). > I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem > to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible > when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative > overhead would seem inacceptable. > > May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that > > - when met automatically allow CDROM distribution > - are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet > related archive CDs ? > We have been searching for such criteria that are mutually beneficial. But there is an inherent contridiction here: there is no way the CDROM companies can afford to pay us anywhere near what we have to charge ourselves for distributed Kermit software by mail order. Why? Because our costs cover not only ftping stuff and copying it to a CDROM, but also designing, writing, maintaining, supporting, and documenting the software AND we include a printed manual. And conversely, there is no way we can keep the Kermit effort going on "a fraction of a penny per program". This discussion would not be taking place if nobody liked or used Kermit software. If you like it, if you use it, then please respect tha people who work so hard to bring it to you. These people are not the CDROM makers, they are the programmers and writers who actually produce it and the tech support people who have been answering your questions on a daily basis for over a decade. As I pointed out yesterday (there's that phrase again), CDROMs are great for distributing shareware, because then everybody wins. CDROMs are not great for distributing Kermit software, because the very dynamics of the process KILL the Kermit effort. The only way to fight back -- and survive -- is to change our terms so it is no longer free for everybody to use. Is that what you want? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:02:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:15:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:15:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!newshost!sasdrq From: sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) Subject: Re: Kermit icon Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:02:26 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: gamecock.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is an icon that I think suits Kermit well. A very good likeness of the muppet it is named for. Given to me by Paul T. Krust. 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David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. sasdrq@unx.sas.com SAS Campus Drive, R4138 (919)677-8000 x6284 Cary, NC 27513-2414 From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:17:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:33:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:33:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!rcvie!rcvie.co.at!wnp From: wnp@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep30.131718.19028@aaf.alcatel.at> Sender: news@aaf.alcatel.at Nntp-Posting-Host: rcsw55 Reply-To: Wolf.Paul@AAF.Alcatel.AT Organization: Alcatel Austria Research Center, Vienna, Austria References: <9409270646.kp1130@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:17:18 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tvmyers@koicds01.icdc.delcoelect.com (Thomas V. Myers) writes: > Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: > > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about > source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's > suddenly time to pull Kermit off your distribution. Either you don't enforce > your policy except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the > copyright notices until somebody asks about them. According to Keith's note his decision was based on an e-mail exchange between him and Frank da Cruz, the contents of which you are presumably not fully aware of, and not just on "a comment" about whatever. I would like to point out two important aspects which seem to get forgotten frequently: 1. Until about a year ago, SIMTEL was an operation of the US Military, and was run strictly as an FTP archive. There was no collection copyright, no policies enforced at all as to CD-ROM or other physical media distribution. Vendors who created CD-ROM distributions from the SIMTEL collection were themselves responsible for paying attention to copyright; Keith and/or the White Sands Missile Range did not receive any revenues from these distributions and were not responsible for them. THAT HAS CHANGED! The Army shut down the SIMTEL20 computer, and the Collection was given a new home by Coast to Coast Telecom, and renamed The SimTel Collection. I am not privy to all of the arrangements Keith has with them regarding his salary and other costs of maintaining the Collection, but he has stated several times that there is now a collection copyright on the Collection in order that some of the funds required to maintain the Collection can be realized by licensing CD-ROM distributions. This has shifted the responsibility for complying with copyright laws from the CD-ROM vendors at least partly to Keith and his employer, and it is therefore only normal and expected that Keith had to think about and implement a policy which would permit them to steer clear of any litigation. 2. It is clear however, that with the sheer amount of material in the SimTel collection, it takes time to go through all of the copyright notices, and of course those cases where someone complains are dealt with first. As I said above, this has not been an issue in the same way until about a year ago, so it is irrelevant what has been in the copyright notices "for years". In any case, let's be more careful in casting aspersions and accusations of any kind at people whose services we do not pay for and yet benefit from. -- V Wolf N. Paul, UNIX Support/KSF wnp@aaf.alcatel.at +-----------------+ Alcatel Austria AG, Site "F" +43-1-291-21-122 (w) | A L C A T E L | Ruthnergasse 1-7 +43-1-292-1452 (fax) +-----------------+ A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe +43-1-220-6481 (h) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:36:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:36:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:36:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:36:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 73 Message-Id: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > > In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection > I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations. > This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between > Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution > of Kermit. > > You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way > you see fit other than selling it. Users' groups and shareware > distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium > and duplication costs. Bulletin boards may not charge additional > fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal > connect-time and/or membership charges. > > You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell. In the > case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the > price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM. > Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents. > Thanks Keith. Look folks -- some of you seem intent on pinning us down to a nearly Talmudic definition of the terms and conditions for redistributing Kermit software, and the underlying sentiment seems to be that, despite its copyright status, it is really a public resource -- in the public domain, and everybody in the world has right not only to use it (they do), but also to redistribute it for financial gain. They don't. Fine. Think of Kermit as a public resource, like your local fire or police or sanitation department, or the Library of Congress. Yes, you have a right to its services, but somebody has to pay for them. They are paid for out of a tax. That's how all of you are able to use it for free -- somebody ELSE is paying for the work that goes into it (or more accurately this week, that is NOT going into it :-). (Lest anyone misunderstand, by "tax" I do not mean a federal, state, or local tax, but income from mail-order sales of our books and magnetic media to other end-users all over the world.) The amount of work that is done -- which is not nearly as much as needs to be done -- costs a certain amount of money: salaries, benefits, computers, service contracts, supplies, etc. If we don't get the money, we can't do the work, it's that simple. The various proposals that public-spirited contributors are making about how we should give our software away to companies in order for them to sell it to you (pardon me, Keith) cheaper than we could are intrinsically destructive. Please try to understand: This results in more copies of Kermit software out there that we have to support, and less income for us to pay for that support. As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change the way we get income; I hope not. On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO COMPLAIN. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 13:51:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:51:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What > is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. > My goodness, captitalism run amok. No good deed goes unpunished, eh? Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire new Kermit programs. I like to think that the Kermit effort is one of the great examples of worldwide collaboration brought about in part by the networks, but mainly for everybody in the world to have access to a useful tool. These people contribute willingly and without compensation. Their work is acknowleged in public -- we regularly publish lists of these people in the source code, in our books and newsletters, etc. We have been operating this way for many years, and it works. Well, it works less now than it did before, because times are harder now and most people can't afford to contribute as much of their time as they used to. Computers are trading commodities. Software itself, once an art, is now too a commodity. Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and comments, but what, really, is the point? Do you really want to turn the Kermit effort into a business? With licenses for everybody? Lawsuits? Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free. Why do you care more about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 01:51:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 10:14:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 10:14:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 07:51:53 MDT References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com>, jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> > : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do > : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there > : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET > : > character? > : > > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... > > That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are > Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on > standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. > > JamesS ---------- Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:10:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:18:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:18:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:10:21 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: primavera.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 29 Sep 1994 22:13:33 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul Davidson) writes: > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2 with no problem. For binaries, go to kermit/bin/ckuker.sparc.sunos[appropriate OS]. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:25:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:27:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:27:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 11:25:19 -0400 Organization: Project Development and Finance Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a sane environment? 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use xon/xoff. (Heretical note: sz works fine without -e.) -- dhs spencer@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:37:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:45:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:45:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!billw From: billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stuttering screen display Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:37:55 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 684 5969 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36hbcj$4ql@uuneo.neosoft.com> References: <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> <36h28e$6vf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <36fh5m$nn3@uuneo.neosoft.com> billw@starbase.neosoft.com (Bill : West) writes: : These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control. You have : to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it), : and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control. I think it ended up being hardware related, namely a digital VAX 4000 model 90 with the modem hooked up to the tta2 port. I am ending up with kermit showing a connection speed of 38400 and the port itself showing 9600 . I got rid of the screen stutter with set flo keep on ckermit, and at the same time living with the slower baud rate that my hardware is giving me. I did have it hooked to a decserver 200/mc and that was worse:-(. Thanks for your response and keep up the good work, I for one appreciate it. -- ****************************************************************************** Bill West Houston TX email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:49:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:49:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ? Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:49:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36hc26$jk8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes: > In article <36fe6d$jiu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article pd@erredfs1.er.att.com (Paul > Davidson) writes: > > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or > > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/ > kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). > Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get > kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the > resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2 > with no problem. > Sorry I was not sufficiently verbose. I've been working on edit 190 for more than a year, and I would appreciate it if people on the net would go straight to the 190 Beta, which is quite solid. That way, any problem reports I get will apply to the current code, rather than to an old, frozen version upon which countless improvements have already been made. There are only a couple small matters that keep 190 from being released right now. One of them is the lack of a testbed for SunLink X.25, which I hope is now remedied, and the other is the perhaps vein hope of getting RESEND capability added to the VMS version. If you find problems in 189, that's too bad, it's too late. If you find problems in 190, I'll fix them right away. That's why I recommend the test version. Thank you for your indulgence, - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 15:52:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:52:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:52:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:52:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes: > What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > sane environment? > Please read the documentation. This question does not have an answer. There is no point in posting it in public hoping that somebody "out there" has a magic answer. There isn't one. For each and every connection, the answer is different, and depends on every component -- modem, terminal server, host operating system, console driver, PAD, etc etc -- along the path. In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different. In many cases you don't even know what bxes you are going through. The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 16:13:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 16:13:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > path. In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different. > ^^^^^^^^^ You know what I mean, right? Different, the same, they're all the same to me ... > The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the > KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. > It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. > Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 02:59:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:13:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 08:59:33 MDT References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact > that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, > I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board > systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading > files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. ---------- Agreed, it's embarassing to see what's run on some BBS systems. Well, we are trying to help this, and you can lend a hand, by issuing a small memory footprint edition of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 which omits all networking and all terminal emulation. The executable is about 122KB, +/- whatever happens in beta testing. Unwinding the many linkages between components was not easy, but it's been accomplished. There are a number of uses for such a reduced version, and BBS sites are but one of them. Full file transfer capabilities are present, as are the script tools and command line operations (which include restricting access to Kermit running in server mode). What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts and set long packets and sliding windows etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:52:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:14:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.095231.28333@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 09:52:31 MDT References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, Honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) writes: > I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading > a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge > receiving it, sends another packet, etc. > > Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" > without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus > are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with > the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. ----------- One has to step back and ask why you would want to do this. Presumably in an attempt to save time, yes? But it doesn't save measurable time because the error checking is so very fast, far faster than say sending a single byte on a serial link. To give you an example. Let's run two Kermits over a serial line, and then run the same Kermits over an Ethernet path. Transfer the same files the same way etc. Over the serial link the file byte/sec rate is about the same as the serial line can carry. On Ethernet (TCP/IP Telnet) the speed ranges from 40KB/sec to 80+KB/sec, depending on the machines. In serial port terms these look like rates of 400,000-800,000 bits/sec. The same programs, same files, just changing the comms channel. That says the Kermit protocol portion is far faster than any serial link work. More, the TCP/IP Telnet work is a full (and I do mean brim full) protocol stack itself which requires time to execute; a serial channel is very much simpler. Basically, when using a serial link the PCs are loafing. As other posters have indicated, there are many things which can go wrong in a file transfer, and errors on the wire are just one set. Error checking is vital and yet it is extremely fast. Protocols get to be complicated in part because they must perform certain mimimum functions to guarantee safe delivery. But those functions are still cheap in time compared to the speeds of serial comms wires. Please turn on sliding windows, even over a link two feet long between PCs. It lets transmission continue while the first packet is being digested. Please use long packets, say 1KB-2KB, if your link permits that many bytes in a row (not all do, I'm sorry to say). Those two items alone produce much improved performance, if the comms system can support the traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 14:07:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:40:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 29 Sep 1994 14:07:56 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 36 Message-Id: <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36c3s4$2u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: :It would seem (at least to me) from this text actually that there was no :reason for the Simtel20 and Garbo archives to remove kermit stuff from :their archives. They would simply have to place notes in their ftp :directories that for example the kermit directory may not be placed on :CD-ROM collections made from their archives, as most archive keepers are :not really involved in the production of the CD-ROM's. Correct? Correct in theory, but not in our current policy. Material which may not be put on potential CDROMs of our archives are not carried. That would require two sets of directories, those with fully distributable material, those with non-CDROM-eligible material. It is far too complicated, at least for me. I want Garbo archives to be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in theory that could be possible. To be honest, I do not have sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated pattern. I now understand from the authors that MsKermit could be retained on Garbo if I would see to it that it would not go on any CDROM. (I hope I got this right?). Fair enough, but as I said, far too complicated for me. None of this is directed against the MsKermit authors whom I have the pleasure to consider as net friends. It is simply that we have an incompatible situation. As Frank privately put it, no hard feelings. These situations just come up as fact of life without any ill-intentions from either side. We'll just have to live with this. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 20:16:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 29 Sep 1994 20:16:27 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 69 Message-Id: <36f7ar$aq7@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36efjj$n9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their :collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging :the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM. Thank you. I appreciate the recognition. :How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our :product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? There are two alternative views. You can treat each method of distribution equal. For example you can say, distributing from FTP sites is ok, distributing on CDROMs is not ok, distributing on 2.8Mb disks in not ok, and so on. Another alternative is giving the consent according to the distributor. There are authors who have granted SimTel and Garbo such a permission for their potential CDROMs while not the others. Unfair one might say at first sight, but stop to reflect this for a moment. We have quite a similar problem when evaluating programs submitted to us. Some we accept, some we don't because they are not up to our standards. Life is full of non-mechanistic choices. You can as well ask me "how come I accept someone's work while I reject that of someone else". The answer is by my personal judgement and the criteria I may have developed from the years of experience I might have. We all are human decision makers, not pre-programmed machines. Please do not get me wrong on two accounts. First, I am not suggesting that you SHOULD grant us special treatment. I am just pointing out that there are different approaches to this dilemma. Second, it is your privilege to decide your policies. I am not contesting them in any way. Whatever decision you have made, I'll respect it. :Finally, once again and for the last time: We, Columbia University, :did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove :Kermit software from their archives. These sites elected to remove That is fully understood. The reason for removal from SimTel (if I may speak partly for us both) and Garbo is that it would be too cumbersome to have two versions of our archives. A version with fully distributable material, a version with non-CDROM material. At least I lack the motivation and the time for that, as I already replied to Otto Makela's useful posting. :Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our :policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites. That is exactly right. We have no quarrel here. What we have is respective policies that at the moment make it impractical for us to continue to carry MsMermit on our archives, and make it impractical for you to allow use our full distibution. Hence the impasse. We just have an unfortunate combination in here. We understand and respect each others' views, but in our pleasant private discussions we were unable to find a solution to accomodate our respective policies. Thus the discontinuation of MsKermit support from our sites. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:03:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:55:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 03:03:58 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 24 Message-Id: <36fv6u$dop@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit :from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with :it. Our policies have not changed. Frank, that is an unfair passing the buck, and giving a run-around to your own users. Please don't. You have repeatedly explained that you did not actually require us to remove MsKermit from Garbo and SimTel. True. We have repeatedly explained why we had no choice given your policy about SimTel and potential Garbo CD-ROMs. Also true. Please let's not confuse YOUR users what this is about. I have not exhorted the users to COMPLAIN to anyone, nor will I stoop to it now. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 04:22:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:56:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:56:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 04:22:51 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36g3qr$e6u@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :available via ftp, just as it always was. Once again, for the umpteenth :time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites. Technically true, but lopsided. Let me explicitly spell out the existing alternatives. 1) We leave current the situation as is. Consequence: No MsKermit material at SimTel and Garbo. 2) Columbia change their policies and lift their ban on CDROM distribution altogether. Obviously out of the question. 3) Columbia change part of their policies by granting SimTel and Garbo an exception permission to have MsKermit material also on their CDROMs. Conququence: The material would be put back on these two sites and all their mirrors. (What other FTP sites and BBSes will and would do is outside our jurisdiction). 4) SimTel and Garbo give up CDROMs. Totally unrealistic. Out of the question. 5) SimTel and Garbo set aside a section for restricted material. As for Garbo, I am not prepared to do that. Way too cumbersome and confusing. No motivation. These are the simple facts of the situation. At the moment it seems that alternative #1 will prevail. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 17:00:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:00:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:00:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36hg7d$86f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ehns$6c4@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > ...far too complicated, at least for me. I want Garbo archives to > be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in > theory that could be possible. To be honest, I do not have > sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated > pattern. > Thank you, Timo. This also goes to the complaint about the Kermit archives not being in exactly the format that you, personally, like best. Timo is only one guy, so am I. Maintaining multiple copies of archives to suit various sets of requirements and tastes is not high on his priority list, nor ours at Columbia, even though we actually do this to cover the most popular cases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 17:57:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:58:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 13:58:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:57:29 GMT Organization: None Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36hji9$ses@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: : Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it : from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. : Joe D. Sure you can: i = (unsigned int) bioskey (0); if (i == 0x1C0A) ----> Ctrl-Enter -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 03:59:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:26:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:26:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 09:59:42 MDT References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, > Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: > >>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >>without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. > > From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: > > * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING > > Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, > services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. > These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. > > TRANSMIT > Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard > a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next > line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). ---------- Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 19:39:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:39:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Date: 30 Sep 1994 19:39:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36hphd$m45@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > ... > > * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING > > ... > > TRANSMIT > > Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard > > a line at a time. ... > > Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" > guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. > For your amusement: This is what Windows Terminal calls "text mode" file transfer. Guess what "binary mode" file transfer is. Hint: it's not what you think. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 18:04:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!djm.MAST.QueensU.CA!dmurdoch From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:04:18 GMT Organization: Queen's University Lines: 26 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep29.092803.1960@gems.vcu.edu> <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: djm.mast.queensu.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36em3v$2cm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier >messages, some of which might not have been delivered. The two sites who >posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their >archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our >software on CDROM. There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit >from their ftp sites. Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with >it. Our policies have not changed. This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any flexibility in their policies. Simtel and Garbo don't want special case software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult. Columbia doesn't recognize that having their software in the largest and best known MSDOS collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and more specialized collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit. Exposure and distribution to people without ftp access is worth something, and exposure to people who have never heard of Kermit before and who would have no idea to look for it is worth something. It's a pretty sad state of affairs. Duncan Murdoch dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 19:34:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:30:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!news-server!hagar From: hagar@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 30 Sep 1994 19:34:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulam.engin.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Sep 1994 13:36:32 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. Frank> There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of Frank> discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. Frank> In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are Frank> people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests Frank> that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE Frank> WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous Frank> terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO Frank> COMPLAIN. I fully support Columbia University's rights on this. I enjoy your books/documentation, and wish this lawyers thread would go offline (and stay offline). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 20:37:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:37:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:37:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 1994 20:37:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) writes: > This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any > flexibility in their policies. Simtel and Garbo don't want special case > software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult. Columbia > doesn't recognize that having their software in the largest and best > known MSDOS collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and > more specialized collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit. Exposure and > distribution to people without ftp access is worth something, and > exposure to people who have never heard of Kermit before and who would > have no idea to look for it is worth something. > > It's a pretty sad state of affairs. > Indeed. At the risk of gaining a reputation as the kind of person who always must have the last word -- and I really do hope this IS the last word -- let me try to explain how you are missing the point. Of course there is value in Kermit software, and if everybody could get for free, or dirt cheap, that would be a good thing. We all agree about that. In fact, you could say the same thing about food, clothing, education, you name it. It would be great if you could get EVERYTHING for free. The point you are missing is that all these things are brought to you by people who work. But unlike other commodities, Kermit software really is free to those of you on the Internet who protest so loudly about our policies. The people who are paying for your access to our work are not complaining. I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get for a third of a penny. Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they pester us to death with questions that are already answered there. Work grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it. Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free, so we won! Yay! But then technology changes, operating systems change, communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who care so much about quality and support. I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do, - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:58:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:58:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 17:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:58:24 -0400 Organization: Project Development and Finance Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36i1m0$uh@panix3.panix.com> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the >> KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit. >> It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it. I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't have. It was, however, most helpful. The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same setup. So my question still seems reasonable. >Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week. I've noticed. No offense taken. kermit is one of my favorite pieces of software, so you get plenary dispensation anyway. -- dhs spencer@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:15:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:16:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:16:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:15:12 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 52 Message-Id: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36gull$jbd@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h54r$afr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes in response to me: >> Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee? What >> is the fee? What do you base it on? Your response seems simplistic. >> >My goodness, captitalism run amok. No good deed goes unpunished, eh? Of course, if you take me out of context, you can say whatever silly thing you want. Let's see what you said first: jdc> How do we tell the difference? Even when a company adds value to our jdc> product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours? So I took it one step further with my "how much do you pay for Kermit bug fixes" remark. Then you proceed to take me out of context? Bah! >Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers >and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also >of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not >connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire >new Kermit programs. And I imagine they contributed with the understanding that this was free software that was freely redistributable. >Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and >night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and >comments, but what, really, is the point? Do you really want to turn the >Kermit effort into a business? With licenses for everybody? Lawsuits? >Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free. Why do you care more >about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software? I didn't say anything about licensing Kermit. I said something about supporting Kermit in a commercial fashion, so you can subsidize your activity of making Kermit into a great public product. Selling doc is probably not paying the bills. I am interested in seeing Kermit succeed, and I don't think that what you're doing is encouraging its success. The reason I care about CD-ROM makers is because I can point people who want to take a look at it and other technologies at a single source, well-sorted and well-tested. Also, with the emergence of FTP archives that ARE funded -- wuarchive, sunsite, etc. -- you already have a situation going on where your software resides on FTP sites that make money in a sense for running an archive, and may well be considered "commercial concerns" for the purposes of the Kermit/your copyright. What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit. Are you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money? What do you gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software? -Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 09:08:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:17:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:17:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <1994Sep30.150824.28401@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Sep 94 15:08:24 MDT References: <1994Sep27.125004.27971@cc.usu.edu> <36arh5$qpp@Mercury.mcs.com> <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h0cd$jbn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu>, mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > ... >>That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others >>and covered by copyright restrictions. >> BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much >>the same as the CDROM case, in my view. >> Internet service providers are selling time on their wires, >>irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire. >> The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our >>product without our permission. > > Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction > with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to > run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they > can for it? And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way. --------- Well, yes, what about them. Good question. If an FTP site is selling software then that's still selling software as above. The organization (to follow your example) providing the money is doing the buying of something, but buying what. Near this point the path becomes obscure, as reasonable people will agree (on the obscure part if nothing else, sigh). Normally .edu sites run on zero funding, or less, as a public service. Mine runs on less. Edu sites have all kinds of legal rules too, not to mention the unwritten ones about where one spends time and which resources are used and paid by whom, and all that jazz. Student hobby sites are left alone as an educational experience. My sites are doing a public service on behalf of my Univ. At the bottom of all this discussion is people are trading with someone else's property on a for-gain basis. Some products have specific restrictions about the for-gain part. This leads to two questions: is each product being sold versus money going for something else entirely, and, if clearly for-gain ought the business be using that material as capital. Lawyers may wish to step in here and carry the discussion to alt.nebulous.arguments. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 22:14:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:24:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 18:24:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!bora-bora.pa.dec.com!flaherty From: flaherty@pa.dec.com (Paul Flaherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 30 Sep 94 22:14:01 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep30.114330.28907@rhrk.uni-kl.de> <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bora-bora.pa.dec.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A small suggestion. Rather than having MSKermit binaries on the SimTel / Garbo ftp/CDROM sites, why not instead include a text file which points to the official kermit ftp site? True, this isn't as ideal as a binary, but it's much better than getting stale bits... -- -=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum." ->paulf@pa.dec.com | -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 23:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:10:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 19:10:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: > What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and > doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why > you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit. Are > you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money? What do you > gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software? > Sorry if I jumped down your throat or quoted you out of context -- it's not just you, it's the whole situation. To make amends, I will not prolong this silly discussion any further unless something truly outrageous happens. Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university status do not allow. If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy, please share it. Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 10:09:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!netcomsv!ccougar!len.wilson From: len.wilson@cougar.com Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <9409300409.005UJS00@cougar.com> References: <36e2og$4ad@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: The Colorado Cougar BBS X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.13 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 04:09:46 -0600 Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > In article <1994Sep28.093351.28046@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe > Doupnik) writes: > The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs. > The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific > browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but > the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much > attraction. That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works > copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions. This is the most ridiculous objection I've ever heard. I'm a shareware author and I'm tickled to death when I hear from someone who got my stuff from a CDROM. The more widely distributed it is, the happier I am. Hell, that's why I upload my work in the first place! I just ordered a set of Simtel CDROMs for my BBS and, if I'm not mistaken, one of those 10,000+ programs is mine. Neat huh? Len Wilson From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 09:03:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:05:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:03:45 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.110039.73644@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, Jeff Bangert (jeff@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote: >Timo Salmi (ts@chyde.uwasa.fi) wrote: >: Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo. The >: files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read >: permissions have been removed. For all details of the situation >: please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup. Please do not >: direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators. Kermit is >: distributed from the Columbia University. The support person there >: is Frank da Cruz fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu. >I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an >announcement. Could someone point me to it? comp.archives.msdos.announce and comp.archives.msdos.d From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:16:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:21:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:21:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:16:14 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >[...] >Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case >there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because >they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement >them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate >and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university >status do not allow. If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy, >please share it. Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives. I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems which do not have access to the Internet. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:11:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!rns!jrr From: jrr@rns.com Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit? Message-Id: References: <368187$ms3@zippo.uwasa.fi> <369777$qfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:11:39 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution. [...] ^^^^ Is this true? From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 12:19:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!richard From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Subject: send and unlink (C-kermit/Unix)? Organization: Pegasus Information Systems Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:19:49 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes each file just after it is successfully transmitted. Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit? Thanks -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 11:42:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:36:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!nosc!pegasus!richard From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup Organization: Pegasus Information Systems Message-Id: References: <35koc2INNvl@ope001.iao.ford.com> <35n9jm$kui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 11:42:51 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line? >> >Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs. For some the >answer is yes, for others it is no. In UNIX, of course, the answer is no. >A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process >exits, all of its open files are closed. There is no way around it. > [...] This is not correct. In general, Unix will not cause a hangup until the last process with the port open closes it. Test this by establising a connection via kermit, then attach another process to the port (to hold it open) and do a `kill -9' to the kermit process. Since this kill can't be caught it doesn't allow kermit to do any of its usual cleanup so it won't be able to disconnect the modem. It would be nice if kermit would support a cleaner way to do this. -- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:25:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:47:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:47:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!gail.ripco.com!jgamble From: jgamble@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) Subject: Re: A Kermit library for MS-Windows Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago References: <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:25:07 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.181545.11830@kullmar.se>, Bo Kullmar wrote: >I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows >with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages >than 94 bytes. > >Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)). > >--Bo Kullmar > Not the response you want, but i absolutely do *not* recommend QuickLink. It comes free with Practical Peripherals and US Robotics modems. The kermit protocol choices are Kermit and Super Kermit. I tried connecting to a friend with it - he had QL, and i had MS-Kermit 3.10. Transfer was pathetic. I have my send and receive block sizess set to 512. No go, ~94 was all we got. Even worse, literally two out of three packets sent were failures. This is not a statistical comment, it really would fail two packets and then accecpt the third. Needless to say, this fail-two-take-one behaviour was not making us happy. Super Kermit protocol had identical behavior, except that it only failed every other packet. I guess that's what made it "Super". Ansi terminal emulation was not good... i tried a vi session via QL, and found that i had to hit ^L after dd commands. Good thing it was free, i'd hate to have to try to get a refund for it... -john From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 03:02:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 23:36:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Sep 1994 23:36:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: alb@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Alan Brushaber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Kermit for a Dec Alpha Date: 30 Sep 1994 23:02:15 -0400 Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI, USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for a Dec Alpha? Al - alb@umcc.umich.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 16:58:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:35:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:35:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!CS.Arizona.EDU!rainbow.cse.nau.edu!nauvax.ucc.nau.edu!tsp From: tsp@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu Subject: Kermit newbe needs help Message-Id: <30SEP94.16584086@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu> Sender: news@rainbow.cse.nau.edu (Usenet News (system)) Nntp-Posting-Host: nauvax.ucc.nau.edu Organization: Northern Arizona University Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 16:58:40 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy all! I need some advice. The network that we are currently running supports a number of Macs and PCs. From the Macs, you can put files or get files. From the PCs, however, you can only get files. My theory is that if I can find a Kermit program, and put it into server mode, we should be able to send files to the PCs. Is my logic correct here? Any suggestions on which Kermit to run? ( or other solutions?) Please emaill dirrect asap! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 29 04:24:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:06:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:06:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!scff.chinalake.navy.mil!mbguest Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: USing Unix editors while under kermit Message-Id: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> From: mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil Date: 29 Sep 94 12:24:43 PST Organization: Naval Air Weapons Station Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not work in the applications . I have the book and have tried both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode. What should I do next ? The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some sort of anti-unix plot . -- Matt MBGUEST@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil MBGUEST@ins.infonet.net MBGUEST@delphi.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:06:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:01:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:01:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:06:03 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes: > What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > sane environment? > Depends, of course, on what you mean by ``sane.'' Here are a few points that might help you figure out what will work for you: A few controls almost always have to be prefixed: the Kermit start-of-packet character (usually Ctrl-A), Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) (often used for flow control). Some others that often need prefixing: DLE (Ctrl-P), NULL, DEL, and any special interrupt character (C-Kermit uses Ctrl-C by default). Generally, for every character you prefix, you should also prefix the same character with the high bit set, to avoid problems caused by parity mismatches. It does vary widely from system to system, though. Unless you're using a very simple connection that you understand well, at some point it comes down to just guessing. If you get it wrong, you'll get errors and if you're unlucky, you'll crash something. Good luck, - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:17:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:05:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:05:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Kermit Start-Of-Packet Characters Message-Id: Summary: What ones are used? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:17:04 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Besides the default Ctrl-A, what control codes are used by different Kermit implementations for their Start-Of-Packet characters? I've heard of Ctrl-B being used, and I doubt anyone uses CR, LF, XON, or XOFF, but it would be interesting to know which ones are used? Respond via e-mail if possible and I'll post a summary. - Tim Kientzle =========================================================================== kientzle@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:29:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:07:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:07:55 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Errors in Protocol Manual Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: na Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:29:14 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FWIW, I've found two minor errors in the Kermit Protocol Manual, 6th edition that I recently pulled from kermit.columbia.edu. Page numbers are from the PostScript version. Section 7.1, middle of page 44: The description of HCHECK claims that the header check is computed ``from the sum of the ASCII values of the SEQ, TYPE, LENX1, and LENX2 fields'' and then gives the formula: s = LEN + SEQ + TYPE + LENX1 + LENX2 I believe the formula is correct and the text is in error. (At least, my Kermit implementation communicates with C-Kermit, and it does include the LEN field in the header check.) Section 7.1, top of page 45: ``...the sender should be prepared to reconstruct the current packet at, say, half its size, ..., before retransmission'' In fact, this is a Bad Idea. If the timeout is due to a lost ACK, the receiver may not realize that the reconstructed packet (with the same sequence number!) has different data in it. The result can be a transfer in which data is duplicated or dropped without either side detecting the error. It seems unreasonable to require the receiver to compare each repeated packet against a stored copy of the packet, which I believe is the only certain way to protect against this problem and allow the sender to alter the size of a repeated packet. Just thought someone might be interested... - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 21:32:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:17:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:17:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Login script (was Re: kermit script) Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:32:27 GMT Lines: 146 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pedro Ferroni (pf2d+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: >2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter >password, user id, telent unix, etc every time. This is the script (comments added-- you will need to strip them out to use the script as-is) that I use to connect to my dial-up (Unix) shell account on Netcom. I was able to derive all the information I needed to write it from the command descriptions that are included in the help file that comes with MS-Kermit 3.13. Note that if you include your password in a login script, anyone who has access to your computer can 1) log into your account and 2) read your login script to get your password. An alternative script that doesn't include the password follows the first one. SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE [make input commands case sensitive] SET INPUT DEFAULT 30 [input and reinput commands timeout in 30 secs.] CLS [clear screen] CLEAR [clear input buffer] SET TERMINAL CLEAR [clear terminal buffer] :REDIAL [label] (dial phone number again) CLS [clear screen] OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13 [send control string to modem followed by CR (\13): cancel call waiting (*70), pause 2 seconds (,,), dial number] INPUT 15 BUSY [wait 15 secs. for modem to say BUSY] IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL [and go back to :REDIAL if it does] REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER} [check previous input, and wait 5 more secs. for modem to say NO CARRIER (note that { and } are quote characters)] IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY [and go to :BUSY if it did (or does)] REINPUT {CONNECT 2400} [wait 30 more secs. for modem to say CONNECT 2400 (substitute your own connect speed for 2400)] IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN [and go to :LOGIN if it does] [if your modem says anything other than CONNECT 2400 (eg. CONNECT 1200), REINPUT times out and control goes to :BUSY] NOTE: You may have to adjust the above input command timeouts a little, depending on your modem and phone service. :BUSY (hang up modem and redial phone number) HANGUP [drop DTR to hang up modem] CLEAR [clear input buffer] PAUSE 4 [wait 4 secs. (necessary for 3-way calling)] GOTO REDIAL [go back to :REDIAL and call again] :LOGIN (successful connect; start login) REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER} [check back to see if carrier dropped after CONNECT 2400 (it happens sometimes)] IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY [and go back to :BUSY if it did] NOTE: This section is dependent on how your host system prompts you, and on some portion of that prompting being always the same. Eg. my login prompt varies, but the last part of it is always 'login: ' REINPUT 15 {login: } [check back and wait 15 secs. for login prompt (note {} to preserve space after login: )] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT [and go to :CONT if it shows up] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't] :CONT (login prompt showed up - continue login) OUTPUT jhurwit\13 [send my userid (followed by CR)] INPUT Password: [wait 30 secs. for Password: prompt] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1 [and go to :CONT1 if it shows up] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't] :CONT1 (password prompt showed up - continue login) OUTPUT xxxxxx\13 [send my password (followed by CR)] NOTE: Including your password in a login script is a security risk! See introductory paragraph, and second script below. INPUT 20 {Last login:} [wait 20 secs. for Last Login: (indicates successful login on my system)] IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2 [and go to :CONT2 if it shows up] REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login} [check back and wait 10 more secs. for Invalid Login (happens when the password file is too busy)] IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN [go back to :LOGIN if this happens (a login: prompt always follows Invalid Login)] GOTO BUSY [go back to :BUSY if anything other than Last Login: or Invalid Login shows up] :CONT2 (successful login) CONNECT [start terminal emulation] END [end of script] Here is the same script with a few lines added and one changed, that will prompt you for your password on each login. NOTE: If the variables %A and %B are being used in your MSKERMIT.INI, MSCUSTOM.INI, or in another script, choose another pair of variables from %A to %Z that aren't being used elsewhere. SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE SET INPUT DEFAULT 30 CLS CLEAR SET TERMINAL CLEAR :REASK (prompt for password again) ASKQ \%A {Input password: } [prompts you for your password, doesn't echo what you type in, puts it in variable %A] ASKQ \%B {Input password again: } [prompt again for comparison] IF EQUAL \%A \%B GOTO REDIAL [go to :REDIAL and continue login if same password was enterred both times] ECHO Passwords do not match. Re-enter password. [echo this to screen] GOTO REASK [go to :REASK] :REDIAL CLS OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13 INPUT 15 BUSY IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER} IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY REINPUT {CONNECT 2400} IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN :BUSY HANGUP CLEAR PAUSE 4 GOTO REDIAL :LOGIN REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER} IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY REINPUT 15 {login: } IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT GOTO BUSY :CONT OUTPUT jhurwit\13 INPUT 30 Password: IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1 GOTO BUSY :CONT1 OUTPUT \%A\13 [send you password (in variable %A) followed by CR] INPUT 20 {Last login:} IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2 REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login} IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN GOTO BUSY :CONT2 ASSIGN \%A [removes your password from memory (from ASSIGN \%B variables %A and %B] CONNECT END From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 30 20:54:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:37:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 04:37:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Message-Id: Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:54:27 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. You might not succeed. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. It's somewhat curious to see how provincial the different computer sub-communities can be. The PC/BBS community is no different. They use ZModem for file transfers and PC/ANSI terminal emulations, and don't really care about anything else. Other sub-communities use Kermit/VT320 or IND$FILE/3270. It all depends on where you grew up, I guess. ;-) >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners >of zmodem lobbying against it? Well, having developed several commercial terminal programs, I can perhaps suggest some of the factors that lead to this situation: * ZModem source code is available in the public domain. As a result, adding basic ZModem support is fairly simple, since a developer can cut and paste existing code. To the best of my knowledge, there is no good Kermit implementation available in the public domain. * ZModem and Kermit have different goals. ZModem's primary goal is to be fast; Kermit's primary goal is to work over any connection. As a result, most potential users of these protocols use ZModem, because it's fast. Sure, Kermit _can_ be fast, but that requires a lot of configuration that most users just don't want to mess with. * Many computer users use freely-available software for communications. The restrictions on C-Kermit/MS-Kermit distribution make this option unavailable to many users. * Finally, the legal status of the Kermit _protocol_ is ambiguous. I don't know for sure if protocols can or cannot be copyrighted or patented, but I _do_ know that the ZModem protocol is in the public domain, and I cannot get in trouble for implementing it. I don't know about Kermit. >Kermit deserves better. Kermit is indeed a very nice protocol. But a commitment to developing and supporting a protocol like Kermit involves a lot of considerations other than just the technical merits of the protocol. For many commercial developers, the other issues make it unreasonable to invest the time and energy required to implement Kermit well. >--Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 08:50:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 05:02:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 05:02:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!CERN.ch!surya1!fanchiot From: fanchiot@surya1.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Sender: news@dxnews.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 08:50:16 GMT Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that >that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the >folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating >systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through >it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. >It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free >distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That >will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems >which do not have access to the Internet. >Keith >-- >Keith Petersen >General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) >Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu >Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND Keith & Frank, Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed! Seems that the authors & sponsors of Kermit are swiming against the current this time... The argument that they cannot support versions of Kermit that are sold via CD-ROMS because they don't receive a dime seems like nonsense. THE SUPPORT SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR if fundings is what is needed (or the book revenues are not sufficient)! ELSE DON'T ALLOW IT IN FTP PLACES AT ALL. Then the people at Columbia won't have any trouble with support... there will be none to do in the future and they can do their research in peace. It is their work and their choice. (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the people don't have FTP access...) In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better and easier to distribute. Guess here is something else for RMS, once the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see a posting with the Subject: DON'T USE KERMIT... :-) Saludos, ...Sergio Fanchiotti Ps: Frank, what about the BBSs, they make a buck from people downloading programs from them... From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 09:38:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 06:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 06:42:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!cs.joensuu.fi!news.csc.fi!convex!salmi From: salmi@convex.csc.FI (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 1 Oct 1994 09:38:03 GMT Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing, Finland Lines: 62 Message-Id: <36jalr$li4@pobox.csc.fi> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Reply-To: ts@uwasa.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: convex.csc.fi Keywords: BBS download-protocol zmodem performance popularity Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites. There is ample room and obviously sufficient interest for both issues. Besides whenever there is a thread one does not wish to follow it is relatively easy to block it out even by kill files or threaded newsreaders, so don't worry. >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. It is not entirely surprising, because most BBS users want and need a fully-featured telecommunication program rather than terminal emulation. I won't say "just" terminal emulation, since there is nothing disparaging in this. Quite the contrary. As a terminal emulator for a professional and a semi-professional Kermit is second to none. But BBS users usually have different needs. For example I use different programs for different purposes: MsKermit: Calling by modem my Unix host Telnet: Direct ethernet connection to my Unix host Telix: Calling BBSes From what I have seen this is not an uncommon selection. >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners No lobbying, as you can see from the BBS success of programs like Telix (which incidentally just went commercial), TeleMate, Boyan, (in my view) slightly overrated Procomm+, and so on an on. The trend clearly seems to be away from freeware to shareware to shefware. Childhoods end? Please note that I am observing existing facts. I am not speaking for or against the trend in this. >of zmodem lobbying against it? Hardly. Extenal protocols like Zmodem are easy to come by and easy to use (after one has once managed to set it up) for Kermit terminal emulation. For example that is how I transfer my material between my home and office when connecting with a modem. >Kermit deserves better. Kermit is a very fine product for the purposes for which it is meant, but just like other alternatives is does not cover all bases. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Temporarily as salmi@convex.csc.fi USE EMAIL ADDRESS: ts@uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:00:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:00:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:00:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archives.msdos.d Subject: Kermit, SimTel, Garbo and CDROMs: A plea for calm. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:00:07 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36jq17$b28@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:381 comp.archives.msdos.d:8874 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As the gentle readers will know, Columbia, SimTel and Garbo have not managed to find a mutually acceptable solution that would enable retaining Kermit on SimTel and Garbo. Please, PLEASE, dear readers. This does not make any of us bad persons. I am distressed to hear that especially Frank has been flamed for his stance. That is *NOT* fair. We parties concerned are all dedicated persons, Kermit is a fine product, and we try to maintain good FTP sites in SimTel and Garbo. Please allow us the right to have these problems without pouncing on anyone. It is bad enough that we have come at the impasse. We do not want the extra pressured from flamage. Please state your views calmly and rationally. It is true that I wished that Frank would have a different policy about Kermit distribution on SimTel and Garbo CDROMs. But it is his right and privilege. I am not contesting that. In fact I am ready to defend his rights to having his own views, even if they diverge from my own preferences. A final thing for this message. Frank as been several times regretting the existence of comp.protocols.kermit.misc because of this. That is totally unnecessary! This discussion would have taken place with or without this particular newsgroup. Its original purpose STILL is intact. But we must be allowed to discuss this dilemma. If it bothers anybody, kill these subjects at your newsreaders. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:18:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:18:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:18:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NDIS Driver for Kermit Date: 1 Oct 1994 09:18:51 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Subscriber Account, Chicago's First Public-Access Internet! Lines: 7 Message-Id: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 (KSD)] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. Where can I find this? Joel cnt@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:17:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:20:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:17:27 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36jr1n$cpm@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article hagar@umich.edu writes: :I fully support Columbia University's rights on this. So do I. No one has been contesting Columbia's RIGHTS. They are unequivocal. That is not the problem we are facing together in here. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 01:52:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:51:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:51:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 01:52:02 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.095942.28338@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> In article <36d22k$9mt@balsam.unca.edu>, >> Mike Honeycutt (Honeycutt@unca.edu) wrote: >> >>>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It" >>>without the error checking? Most of our asyn lines on campus >>>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with >>>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster. >> >> From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13: >> >> * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING >> >> Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers, >> services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol. >> These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution. >> >> TRANSMIT >> Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard >> a line at a time. Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next >> line. Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc). >---------- > Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed" >guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray. > Joe D. Sure 'nuf is. But hey, that's what the guy asked for... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 02:04:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:55:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 10:55:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 02:04:03 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36fens$kbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36fad5$6bm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> >davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> : ... >> : Kermit says: >> : Scan code \5386 is defined as >> : Ascii char: ^J \10 >> >> This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of. >> However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level >> 0). It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter. >> >Oops, silly me! You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key. >Sorry. >I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14. I'll >check with Joe. I also tried this when I saw the previous post. I only have one Enter key on my laptop keyboard; CTRL-Enter returns no scan code. Neither do a-z, A-Z, or CTRL-A-Z. Alt-A-Z, all the function keys, and a few others, do return scan codes. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 18:55:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:11:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:11:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Date: 1 Oct 1994 18:55:51 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36kbbn$fh2@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: applsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >Where can I find this? Just do what Joe D. recommended, and search for the string "dis_pkt9" in the file MSKERMIT.BWR (or, as it is called in the kermit directory on my PC: KERMIT.BWR). P.S. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 18:37:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:31:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:31:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 18:37:56 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 16 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel". So here's how I feel: Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit. People who have the audacity to tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description. Fans of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy. That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is best for Kermit. The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either. I don't want to see the Kermit effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 20:26:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:03:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 17:03:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: send and unlink (C-kermit/Unix)? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:26:31 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Foulk (richard@pegasus.com) wrote: >Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes >each file just after it is successfully transmitted. >Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit? You could probably write a little script to do this. Kermit sets a 'success' flag when it completes a file transfer successfully, which can be tested for with an 'if success ' line immediately following. So you could have 'if success del filename'. Consult the docs for more info on the C-Kermit script language. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 21:39:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:41:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 18:41:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!slip217.telnet1.QueensU.CA!dmurdoch From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:39:20 GMT Organization: Queen's University Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip217.telnet1.queensu.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are >people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests >that are in conflict with ours. Thanks for calling me honest and decent, but believe me: I have no financial interest in the distribution of Kermit. Duncan Murdoch From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:25:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:24:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:24:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!centre.univ-orleans.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 1 Oct 1994 14:25:30 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 49 Message-Id: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ... >On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers. >There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of >discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones. >In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are >people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests >that are in conflict with ours. But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE >WORK and so we get to set the terms. Those terms are the most generous >terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO >COMPLAIN. Okay, I'll bite. I don't have any financial interests and I do like your kermit. Here's what I have problems with: 1. You want your software to be free but you want to limit the distribution. How are you going to distribute it FOR FREE then? If you are looking for financial support, say so. I have NO objection with that. 2. You have negative views of those CD-ROM vendors. As a user I very much appreciate the availability of those CD-ROMs. 3. As an author of various free programs, I do spend my time writting the code (and that could be translated to thousand of dollars). I understand your views, you don't want a money- grabbing-scumbucket making money from your sweat. But all those CD-ROM vendors are NOT scums !!! What's the diff. between your program and other free/shareware available on SimTel ? 4. I understand you did all the work and you can set whatever terms you want. As a user, though, I have to warn you that your restriction can cause the death of your fine program. Thus the objections raise by the people here. 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. I hope you understand my view. You have a fine product, please don't kill it by restricting its distribution. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:47:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:47:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:47:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 00:47:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36kvvc$9u9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to > a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? > Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit > to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. > This is a point of view that I can't understand. Nobody is restricting your use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it. You can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want. But it's not enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it. The part I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and support the software in the first place. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:20:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 20:51:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!granite.ciw.edu!finger From: finger@granite.ciw.edu Subject: Re: Need Kermit for a Dec Alpha Message-Id: <02Oct94.002024.15112@granite.ciw.edu> Date: 02 Oct 94 00:20:24 GMT References: <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> Organization: Geophysical Laboratory Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ijfn$fds@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> alb@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Alan Brushaber) writes: > > Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for >a Dec Alpha? > >Al - alb@umcc.umich.edu > Which OS? Dec Alpha's run at least 3. Larry W. Finger finger@granite.ciw.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 00:59:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:04:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:04:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!v074l54q From: v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Bryan T Hoch) Subject: Where can I get the latest version for Mac? Message-Id: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50AXP Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:59:00 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch. Bryan v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:06:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:12:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:06:28 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <36hc7e$js9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36hdfb$lka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36i1m0$uh@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: : I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't : leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't : have. It was, however, most helpful. : The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a : few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same : setup. So my question still seems reasonable. Read the five lines beginning around line 285 of kermit.upd. I use the recommended minimum list for C-kermit to MS-Kermit and vice-versa. If it doesn't work for you, the next 63 lines describe what to do next. Sorry, but in the pc-to-mainframe world, things are not as standardized as we would like. For maximum throughput, a little experimentation is needed. If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput. That takes out all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:23:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:23:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:23:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:23:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36l21u$c7s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l12k$gs1@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I > think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just > about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput. That takes out > all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents. > Which, by the way, is Kermit's default for prefixing, except that Kermit also prefixes 127 (DEL) and 255 (DEL+128), and this is also what you get when you SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 01:24:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 21:24:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get the latest version for Mac? Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:24:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36l24q$ca1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article v074l54q@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Bryan T Hoch) writes: > Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can > get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch. > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. directory kermit/test/text. FTP in text mode. Files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr. Use BinHex 4.0 to convert ckm190.hqx back to an application. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:08:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 22:27:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 22:27:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!infoserv.rug.ac.be!eduserv!rsamanya From: rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit keys Date: 2 Oct 1994 02:08:09 GMT Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: eduserv.rug.ac.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN is reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this behaviour? Please reply through email if possible. the stars be with you (or fall upon your head) ;D ranan samanya <\> the Indonesian Cita Ceria, under OS/2 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 14:56:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 23:02:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Oct 1994 23:02:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: Sat, 1 Oct 94 20:56:32 MDT Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 53 Message-Id: <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR In <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really >boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the >general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work >we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, >and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software on CD-ROMS exploits a market niche - with an update every 6 or 12 months, and tens of thousands of shareware programs, and overhead limited to pressing CDs and running an FTP site, a CDROM collection can show a profit. Now, suppose you are an entrepreneur, and you want to market a CDROM that contains programs that, like shareware, are intended to be profitable, and additionally are supported in real time (not "send me fixes, and I'll include them in the next release," but "call if you have problems, and we'll help you out.") The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined (who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs, whether focus on support or on development.) Like it or not, those issues and the various contracts cost money. The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more difficult to find an exploitable niche. Maybe if a CDROM vendor was able to work out the license/profit issues with several hundred software developers who had, uhm, "senior" products (widely popular, stable, regularly updated, possibly supported) then the CDROM vendor could produce a profitable product (and vendors could reduce their distribution costs by not shipping stacks of floppies.) If a commercial multi-product CDROM with hundreds of supported products on board (perhaps with free stripped demos, and key-coded full binaries?) was available, how much would you pay for it? How many useful products would need to be on it before it was worthwhile buying rather than downloading? Those rhetorical questions may not make sense to readers of this forum, because if you have Usenet you are pretty likely to have FTP as well, and could get copies of the same (or newer software) almost for free (modulo your time, access provider bill, disk space, CPU cycles, etc.) But suppose you didn't want to pay for or have FTP access. Would there then be a market niche for a CDROM vendor to fill (exploit)? What would a generic license agreement for this look like? How can the legal costs and monetary negotiation be handled at low cost? (Looking at how actors and musicians are compensated for residual profits might be a good research starting point.) Anyone who can answer those questions and exploit any such niche might have an answer to this dilemma. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 03:52:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:05:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:05:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cat.csiro.au!grl From: grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) Subject: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Message-Id: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Queensland Centre for Advanced Technologies Distribution: comp Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 03:52:30 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a vt220 and now I need to change a few things, without access to a real vt220 anymore. The document is in french. The first thing I notice is that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? Thanks, Greg -- Greg Lehmann, CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Telephone: +61 7 212 4537 P.O. Box 883, Kenmore, QLD 4069, Australia. Facsimile: +61 7 212 4681 2643 Moggill Rd., Pinjarra Hills, QLD 4069. Internet: grl@brb.dmt.csiro.au From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:35:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:11:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 00:11:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 02:35:24 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: >I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there >is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel". So here's how I feel: >Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit. People who have the audacity to >tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description. Fans >of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy. >That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is >best for Kermit. The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if >they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include >Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either. I don't want to see the Kermit >effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload >and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument. With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual. A number of people have invested time and energy and resources into making Kermit what it is today. This isn't just about Simtel and Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI. And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with the Columbia people. Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the omnipotent GUI has emerged. So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going to just die and spell the end of an era. No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making a quality software product. But it seems like they need some help here, and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone. There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and simplistic arguments. I'd almost call it crosstalk, but that's a competitor, isn't it? :) Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia? It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 05:53:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 01:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 01:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit CD ROM? Date: 2 Oct 1994 05:53:54 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <36lhti$cp0@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this, but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities, scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator? From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 08:02:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 04:01:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 04:01:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:02:05 -0700 Lines: 56 Message-Id: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: What exactly is and is not permitted with Kermit? Keywords: legal profit freeware restrictions X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries. Here are some specific questions: 1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on to the user for free. Is this correct? 2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit, . The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service, the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage), and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit product. 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an agreement with Columbia? About what kind of demands are we talking here? If Columbia wanted one dollar for each CD, I could understand why the CD makers remove Kermit. If it were 0.1 cent, or a 100 dollar lump sum, It would be a little different. Right now I see a lot of discussion without having any idea about the order of magnitude of the problem. 4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license? 5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way, it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It is freer than public domain. Correct? 5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified program? 6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering files through modems using Kermit? These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law, the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification. Thanks, Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 09:52:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 06:44:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 06:44:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!drkwlf From: drkwlf@wam.umd.edu (Sir DarkWolf) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on Linux help Date: 2 Oct 1994 09:52:33 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rac5.wam.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc. I am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem to dial. I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then "set speed 9600". But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt. I have tried setting the dial timeout interval up through 120 sec, but this still doesn't solve it. I have also set the dial init-string to an init string that DOES work with crosstalk under dos. (AT B0 X4 &B1 &H1 &R2 E0 V1). Does anybody have an idea what I'm doing wrong, or could prompt me for some extra info that will help them solve this for me. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks -- ********Grand Master of the Cavalry for a.f.m-p******** * Sir DarkWolf * The dirty grey knight * * drkwlf@wam.umd.edu * with blue speckles. * ******************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:36:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:36:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:36:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit keys Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:36:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36mgi2$qj5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l4m9$agi@infoserv.rug.ac.be> rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) writes: > I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's > editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN > is reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this > behaviour? > Of course. One of Kermit's strongest features is key mapping. In OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190), still in beta but not for long, each of these actions has a "verb" associated with it. You can assign the verb to any key you want. Thus you can move the rollback functions to the keys of your choice. Now I have no idea what "joe's editor" expects to see when you hit PgUp and PdDown, but whatever it is, you can program those keys to send those things. It's all in the documentation :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:52:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:52:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 10:52:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux help Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:52:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36mhf9$rbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36lvt1$ga1@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> drkwlf@wam.umd.edu (Sir DarkWolf) writes: > I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc. I > am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem > to dial. I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem > sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then > "set speed 9600". But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it > can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was > exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt. > Which version of C-Kermit are you using? Please try version 5A(190), still in Beta. It has numerous low-level i/o improvements for Linux. If you still have trouble, might I recommend pages 50-67 of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". Yes, 17 pages on dialing, and with good reason -- there are more things to consider than are practical to list in a newsgroup message. You might also want to take a peek at the MODEMS AND DIALING and DIALING HINTS AND TIPS sections of the ckcker.bwr file. If you can't find the answer in any of these places, send email to me with details about your connection, versions, and exactly which commands you used to set up the call. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:06:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:06:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:06:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:06:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have > a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a > vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the > accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a > vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real > vt220 anymore. The document is in french. > It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented by at least the following character sets on the host: ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) Data General International (8-bit) Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) NeXT Multinational (8-bit) ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to think of it, it is very likely that when the file was transferred to the Sun from the PC originally, that no character-set translations were done at all, in which case it is still encoded in an IBM code page. Believe it or not, you can even tell C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET CP850 (or whatever) when talking to a Sun. Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun to "stty pass8". You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about VI, but I doubt it. > The first thing I notice is > that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is > in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? > There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:31:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:31:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:23:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 56 Message-Id: <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu writes: >Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo >situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software The understandable problem with this difficult discussion have been its excessive simplifications. There is one further facet that has not been brought up emphatically, so I will. Take an obviously popular university FTP site like Garbo. Contrary to what some users may have assumed, we certainly do not exist for the purpose of generating profits. In fact all the Garbo users are heavily subsidized by the tax-payers. Just like all the Internet users are, more or less, since this is net is much financed from public funds throughout the world. Every FTP user and everyone now reading this posting (you and I included!) is dipping into someone else's pocket! So are the SimTel users even if SimTel is compelled to be more self-sufficient than we are, and needs the proceeds from the CDROM in order to exist for you. Else it will cease to exist for us all. Since also Garbo happens to be a popular FTP site, there is a good chance that also we will be put an a CDROM. I do not want to forbid that possibility to retain all possible programs. I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many. HERE IS THE POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide to the net. Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also to the FTP site maintainers. That extra work taxes our resources and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the motivation of FTP site maintainers. (Just like this unfortunately taxes Frank's capacity). Kermit is by far not the only such case this season. Nor is a single university (Columbia) responsible for what is happening in general. I am not trying to say that, in case someone misunderstands. In broad terms all this exemplifies the current 'to be or not to be' status of the Internet community. The ideals and the financial realities are clashing more and more, as every user with sufficient experience on Usenet will have gathered. Sigh! This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc subject. Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for discussing the broader issue and its imlications. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 14:32:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:41:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:41:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:32:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 63 Message-Id: <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36kvvc$9u9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : In article <36jrgq$h1h@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi : Rahardjo) writes: : > 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to : > a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ? : > Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit : > to friends/users/clients, and so do many people. : > : This is a point of view that I can't understand. Nobody is restricting your : use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it. You : can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want. What about those people who don't have access to FTP? Do you also send floppy disks for FREE? : But it's not : enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must : also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it. You are missing the point. You are RESTRICTING it to 3rd party, which is actually helping you to distribute kermit. You are restricting the distribution. You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat, where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your compassion too? Nobody is forcing me to buy their CDs. I am willingly paid for the CD, and I KNOW all the programs are available for FREE. : The part : I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not : extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and : support the software in the first place. The problem I have is you are making the distribution convoluted. If I were to give somebody a copy of kermit on a disk and I charge him/her the price of a disk, you are going to accuse me of selling kermit. How about if somebody put your kermit in a paid-BBS ? Are you going to get the BBS sysop too? Are you going to remove kermit from Linux CDs ??? In a way, I am also helping you guys to distribute kermit and making it popular. In some cases I also helping people to configure it (in a way supporting it). Am I getting paid for it ? No. It's your program, you can do whatever you want. But if it makes it difficult for us to distribute it ... I won't do it. I salute those people who design, wrote, documented, and support the software. But you are missing one more group, people who distribute the software. To put it bluntly, you have a really good software but you want to keep it to yourself, or mildly, you want to be the central distribution. Fine. My 2 cents. : - Frank -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:57:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:57:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 11:57:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:57:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 154 Message-Id: <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and > CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from > Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is > permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened > not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries. > OK, I'll give it a shot, but with all the standard disclaimers, like you see at the bottom of car-leasing commercials :-) > 1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include > the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge > for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit > part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on > to the user for free. Is this correct? > This has been our policy from the beginning, but it is clearly not a good one for anybody but the commercial software makers. Why? . Columbia gets no income. . Real Kermit software loses "market share". . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give Kermit a bad name. . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using Kermit in . Who is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package has not affected their sales? . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of these products. Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia." It's another case of "they get the money, we get the extra work", AND the bad rep in the newsgroups and the trade press to boot. But to answer your question: no, there is nothing to stop anybody from writing a Kermit implementation, no matter how minimal or buggy, without asking permission from Columbia. They cannot, however, use or even look at our copyrighted source code without our permission. > 2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a > diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the > files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for > the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit, > .. The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service, > the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage), > and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to > the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit > product. > I'm not going to answer this one directly. Everybody looks for loopholes to exploit. Here is what we WANT to happen: if you use MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit enough to need to know anything about it, purchase the manual. If you don't do that, you waste your time and ours, and the net's. You run up bigger phone bills that you would have if you had read the manual, etc etc, and, yes, buying the manual helps keep the Kermit effort alive. > 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly > that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an > agreement with Columbia? > More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright notice was overlooked. > About what kind of demands are we talking here? > That's between us and the CD maker or any other commercial establishment that wants to redistribute our software. The negotiations are private. > 4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous > volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would > Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license? > First let me say that we have always gone out of our way to publicly acknowledge all contributed code and bug fixes, and publicly thank and praise the contributors. I believe, but I can't swear, that everybody who makes such contributions understands that they are going into copyrighted software. Nobody has ever complained about this. This is a system that works -- the contributors get the features and fixes they want, and these get supported and carried forward into new releases, and lots of other people benefit at the same time. If you're asking me, do I make them sign a waiver, no I do not. Can we get real here for a minute? This used to be a collegial, cooperative, worldwide effort, unhampered by pointless legalisms, from which *everybody* benefitted -- even significant numbers of entrepreneurs after they entered into agreements with us. It even used to be... fun. Kermit has played a major role in many humanitarian causes -- cancer and AIDS research, Bosnian war relief, ozone layer research in Antarctica, space exploration, etc etc, where the cost of any other solution would have been prohibitive -- it has saved lives, promoted communication in parts of the world that could not have accomplished it any other way, helped to spread democracy (more about this next month), and much more. On a more mundane level, I would venture to say that it has saved universities, governments, and other cash-poor institutions billions of dollars, which ultimately would have come out of your pocket in taxes or tuition. Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business? Now you want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants? > 5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain > to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way, > it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It > is freer than public domain. Correct? > In a sense, it is. The copyright notice prevents commercial enterprises from distributing our software without our permission. It places no restrictions on anybody's use of the software, only the redistribution of it by commercial enterprises. > 5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone > take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified > program? > Yes. And if you were still using your own copy of it, they could take you to court. There was a case about 15 years ago where a university had to pay a big settlement in court because an entrepeneur took their public-domain code, which they had written themselves for their own use, slapped his copyright on it, and then sued them for using it. Sorry, I can't recall the name or docket-number of the case, but there really was a case like this. > 6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use > the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering > files through modems using Kermit? > Yes, on your computer. But you can't give out copies of our software to your customers without our permission. Obviously, however, if you were a very rich and prominent business, it might be in your interest to help support our continued work -- if we went under, then so could you. > These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives > and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law, > the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification. > I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people seem to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?" than "how can I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use it more effectively?". If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that money with us. If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:10:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:10:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36mm0n$24d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mj8t$1f8@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu writes: > >Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo > >situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software > etc etc... > Yes, Timo. We are living in times when the Internet is changing from a publicly sponsored medium for the free exchange of "ideas" (in the broadest sense) to a commodity exchange. This is one of the growing pains. To compound the problem, most newcomers to the Internet view it as a giant bag of free goodies and have no conception of the amount of work that went into establishing the foundations of the Internet, and all the software and other resources that lay at their fingertips. The idea is to take what you can get and run, and pay no thought to tomorrow. > I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the > Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many. HERE IS THE > POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect > the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide > to the net. Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also > to the FTP site maintainers. That extra work taxes our resources > and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the > motivation of FTP site maintainers. (Just like this unfortunately > taxes Frank's capacity). > Actually, this new trend is only the expected and logical outcome of the trend that directly preceded it -- the commercialization of the net by turning ftp archive sites into CD-ROM masters. The net was not designed for that. Now it seems we all have to do more work, and as Timo observes, that work must be paid for. Soon there will be bureaucracies, regulating agencies, waivers, loyalty oaths, and taxes (in one form or another) to pay for them. Who will benefit? The lawyers and investors. > Sigh! This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc > subject. Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for > discussing the broader issue and its imlications. > Ha ha, good luck, Timo! It took me *months* to get this newsgroup established, and boy am I glad I did! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:16:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:16:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:16:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:16:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 87 Message-Id: <36mmc6$2ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> >grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > >> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have >> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a >> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the >> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a >> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real >> vt220 anymore. The document is in french. >> >It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented >by at least the following character sets on the host: > > ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) > The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) > ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) > DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) > Data General International (8-bit) > Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) > NeXT Multinational (8-bit) > > ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell >it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to This part is correct. Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable. There was no file transfer. So don't worry about the IBM code pages. > >Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make >sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell >C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun >to "stty pass8". This is accurate. >You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the >Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about >VI, but I doubt it. Again. Don't worry about this. You are using Word Perfect as your editor. >> The first thing I notice is >> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is >> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? >> >There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, >now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on >kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. > >- Frank Just set the character set to an appropriate one. And us the Updates command to view the CKERMIT.INF file. Look up the Compose command which will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters. Have a nice day. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:28:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:28:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:28:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:28:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <36mn2g$3d3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mga2$t6q@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat, > where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your > compassion too? > Not all all. Timo and Keith are good guys. But our interests in this matter our diametrically opposed. Let me ONCE AGAIN very briefly say: CDROMs are perfect for distributing shareware. I praise Timo, Keith, Walnut Creek, and everybody who distributes shareware on CDROMs or any other way. CDROMs are also good for *true* freeeware, i.e. software whose development and maintenance does not need to be supported in any way, but in that case you get what you pay for. CDROMs, however, are not good for distributing software that does not fall into these categories. Kermit is such software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:25:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:50:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:50:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!billmaly From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SLOW downloads Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:25:45 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! -- Bill Maly billmaly@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 16:49:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:55:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 12:55:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:49:56 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36mobk$7t0@blackice.winternet.com> References: <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <36f562$63q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com> <1994Sep30.075153.28308@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <36fu6e$jd@blackice.winternet.com>, jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) writes: : > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : > : In article <36evui$9t@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> : > : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: : > : > This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do : > : > about it: Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed). Is there : > : > anyway to suppress this? That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET : > : > character? : > : > : > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys... : > : > That works on most keys... Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are : > Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[. I believe that these are the only two (on : > standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined. : > : > JamesS : ---------- : Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it : from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios. : Joe D. Yes, but there are different scan codes along with the ascii code. You differentiate between the enter key and ctrl-M, the duplicate keys on the keypad and the keyboard, etc. All I am interested in is differentiating these keys also. (I have source code if you want it!) JamesS From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 17:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 13:18:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 13:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SLOW downloads Date: 2 Oct 1994 17:18:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 152 Message-Id: <36mq0d$6f9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) writes: > I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my > University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I > have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time > is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this > normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! > > Oh good, we have come full circle. I now reproduce my very first posting to this newsgroup. Ah, memories... To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip. . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z. VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 18:17:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 14:17:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 14:17:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Policy, final word Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:17:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36mtfq$aak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Signing off from this discussion: a. Apologies to anyone I have offended, and to anyone else who might have been offended by anything that has passed through this newsgroup even if it wasn't offensive. b. If you want to use Kermit softwre, go ahead and use it. Same as always. No change. c. If you want to *sell* Kermit software, get in touch with us and we'll talk about it. Same as always, no change. (Lest I have misspoken again, then let me rephrase: If you want to sell an object or other entity that has Kermit software engraved, embedded, inscribed, or otherwise adhering to it or imprinted upon its molecular structure, in a fashion that is retrievable or usable by your customers or clients, also please consult with us first.) d. If all you want is an argument, there is a great Monty Python skit I can recommend ... :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 19:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:12:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:12:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:00:45 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36n00t$pp5@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36l7j2$6uh@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Denis McKeon (galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu) wrote: : The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters : are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined : (who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs, : whether focus on support or on development.) Like it or not, : those issues and the various contracts cost money. : The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more : difficult to find an exploitable niche. I don't think we need to worry about what would happen to the PD/shareware CD-ROM vendors if "everything like Kermit" had similar distribution policies. There simply isn't that much stuff out there that is high quality, free, complex enough to require substantial support, and well supported, which is my definition of "like Kermit." And even if there was, it's the developers' call to make. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 18:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:22:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:22:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: SLOW downloads Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:40:51 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36mmu9$qj0@news.iastate.edu>, WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote: >I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my >University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I >have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time >is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this >normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks! o If the file is not already compressed, compress it. o Use (reasonably) long packets-- 1K-2K works well. o Use sliding windows (3-5 usually works well). o Unprefix as many control characters as you can (this requires experimentation, but in general you need to prefix OS-sensitive characters such as ^C (DOS and Unix), ^Z (Unix), and also ^M (CR), ^J (LF), ^A (start of packet), etc). o Get the latest Kermit software; older versions don't support these features. o Read the help files and spend some time experimenting to find out how to make and optimize these settings. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 19:12:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:31:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:31:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:12:33 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36n0n1$4uo@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :In article <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) :writes: :> 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly :> that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an :> agreement with Columbia? :> :More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright :notice was overlooked. Exactly. That is true. And, as you know, as responsible net citizens we remedied the situation at our end immediately when we realized the conditions. I am *NOT* objecting, but the sadly funny part is that the more responsibly one acts the more often one gets bitten. I am not changing that, though. :Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business? Now you :want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants? Frank, on the lighter side of things. Do you realize that I *AM* an accountant. Perhaps it explains everything :-). All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 22:34:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:45:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 18:45:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cat.csiro.au!grl From: grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Message-Id: <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Queensland Centre for Advanced Technologies References: <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36mmc6$2ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 22:34:46 GMT Lines: 81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <36mi9l$s07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>lIn article <1994Oct2.035230.5054@janus.cat.csiro.au> >>grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: >> >>> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have >>> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a >>> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the >>> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a >>> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real >>> vt220 anymore. The document is in french. >>> >>It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader. French can be represented >>by at least the following character sets on the host: >> >> ISO 646 French national version (7-bit) >> The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit) >> ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit) >> DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit) >> Data General International (8-bit) >> Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit) >> NeXT Multinational (8-bit) >> >> ... to name a few. Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell >>it which one to use. The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET. Come to >This part is correct. Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable. >There was no file transfer. So don't worry about the IBM code pages. I did SET TERM CHAR FRENCH SET TERM BYTE 8 and checked with show term after starting kermit >>Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make >>sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun. Tell >>C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8. You might also have to tell the Sun >>to "stty pass8". >This is accurate. on the sun (sunos 4.1.3) I did an (which was something I hadn't tried before) stty pass8 >>You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the >>Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule. EMACS 18 won't do it. I don't know about >>VI, but I doubt it. >Again. Don't worry about this. You are using Word Perfect as your editor. >>> The first thing I notice is >>> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is >>> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working? >>> >>There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas, >>now fixed. Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on >>kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip. I only got the last one from there about 1 week ago. Still, after all these suggestions, the accents are wrong and there is no line graphics box around the WordPerfect and Version 5.1 message at startup. Instead there are J's and K's etc. >Just set the character set to an appropriate one. And us the Updates >command to view the CKERMIT.INF file. Look up the Compose command which >will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters. Thanks for the help so far but have you any other ideas on what to try? -- Greg Lehmann, CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology, Telephone: +61 7 212 4537 P.O. Box 883, Kenmore, QLD 4069, Australia. Facsimile: +61 7 212 4681 2643 Moggill Rd., Pinjarra Hills, QLD 4069. Internet: grl@brb.dmt.csiro.au From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 23:11:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta Date: 2 Oct 1994 23:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <36nena$sk1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct2.223446.20598@janus.cat.csiro.au> grl@janus.cat.csiro.au (Greg Lehmann) writes: > I did: > > SET TERM CHAR FRENCH > SET TERM BYTE 8 > But how do you know the character-set is "french"? How do you know it is not Latin-1, or DEC-MCS, or one of the others? Note that "french" is a 7-bit set, so you don't need to SET TERM BYTE 8 in order to use it. Ditto for "stty pass8" on the Sun. Why don't we take this offline -- please send me a message containing: . The exact Kermit version, e.g. 5A(190) Beta.23 18 Sep 94. . The exact sequence of commands you issued. . A uuencoded piece of the file in question so I can figure out which character-set it is encoded in. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 23:54:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 19:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.net!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:54:37 -0400 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36nh7t$gbj@mercury.interpath.net> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that if the principals in this brouhaha can agree to respect each other's positions, all the rest of us should do likewise. As far as folks without ftp access, there's usually a free BBS around with it. Or email ftp. Or break down and buy a disk from Columbia. It's not like there's a new version out three times a year. My .02; you mileage may vary.... Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 02:52:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:12:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 03 Oct 1994 02:52:31 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: fozz@xmission.com's message of 29 Sep 1994 09:04:00 -0600 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. It's not even that hard. Just install a packet driver. Put it at 0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that interrupt). So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300". Then set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command -- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh, you're up. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 08:04:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 04:53:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 04:53:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Date: 3 Oct 94 08:04:37 GMT References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 58 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > . Columbia gets no income. > . Real Kermit software loses "market share". > . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give > Kermit a bad name. > . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the > postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using > Kermit in . Who > is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package > has not affected their sales? > . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of > these products. Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell > their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia." Let I start with saying that I don't understand this argument. Frank stated that they have to distribute copies to het some income. Still he allows the software on FTP and also maintains the claim that the software is free, also fine. CDROM whould make the distribution too broad without generating income; also fine. Now if I get Kermit from the FTP archive at Columbia and put it on a local BBS (which is permitted as far as I understood the copyright). Every copy from the BBS doesn't generate any income. This is also the case if I give a copy to a friend (and he will pass a copy to his friends because kermit is great!). The distribution as it is now is a pyramid sceme, generating a lot of copies without income for Columbia. Frank explicity prohibited distribution on CDROM with the argument that it will not generate income. If that is the goal then excluding CDROM is not enough to accomplish that. The only way to limit copying without income is: a) You either get it directly from an FTP site on internet. b) Or you get it by mail order from Columbia. So no more copying for friends or distribution through BBSses - this will surely limit the number of copies (and will make it almost impossible in Europe to get it unless you are connected to Internet or know exactly where to write to to order it). But the argument I hear is that the distribution policy is not changed so you will allow the generation of copies without income as long as it is not through CDROM - this is the part I don't understand. Do CDROMs contribute so much to the distribution (and use!) of kermit that it is worthwhile to make an exception (and make it difficult for us all)? I assume you'll say yes but frankly I have my doubts. All I can say is that I came to know kermit trough Garbo; Timo has a lot of tools for kermit on his system (some of which he created himself) and that's what caught my attention. We are now considering use of Kermit in a large project (which we will negotiate with Columbia and pay for of couse) so maybe the copy of your software on Garbo will pay off in the end. Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 09:40:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 05:51:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 05:51:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Date: 3 Oct 1994 02:40:43 -0700 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <367e23$d01@news.iastate.edu> <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: 9024 divided by number of windows? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window >slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack. Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)? The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes total, to be divided between the windows. tardis% kermit C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>set window 31 Adjusting receive packet-length to 286 for 31 window slots C-Kermit>quit On a related subject, I have found that when going through TYMNET, I can get full speed by setting the number of window slots to anything above 1. In particular, when downloading files from a Sun UNIX host to my Amiga at home, SET WINDOW 2 is sufficient to keep the receive light flashing continuously. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations (Vnet 854) 2560 N 1st St, MS-F2, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still up!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:08:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:08:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:08:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit? Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:08:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36os8l$7mn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > In article <36el10$5hq@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > > Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just > load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? correctly, upon > knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go > into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX. > > It's not even that hard. Just install a packet driver. Put it at > 0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that > interrupt). So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300". Then > set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command > -- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh, > you're up. > Thanks, Russ. And as Joe pointed, we are absolutely not in the business of recommending hardware. But... It migh be a useful exercise if those of you who are using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP stack over a network board (not a serial port thru SLIP) drop a note to kermit@columbia.edu listing: PC hardware and OS and OS version Network board make and model Netword board driver(s) and version(s) so we can compile a list of combinations that are known to work. While this list will not comprise any kind of recommendation, it will still be useful. And of course if you have a board and/or driver that does not work with Kermit, let us know too. We'll try to help you get it going, and if the combination is hopeless (we don't know of any like this), that's useful information too. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:15:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:15:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 08:15:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier?? Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:15:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <36oslj$ako@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ojir$t34@tardis.Tymnet.COM> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes: > In article <1994Sep26.172014.27900@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024?? > >Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window > >slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack. > Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)? > The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes > total, to be divided between the windows. > Not at all. As Joe says, you can have 31 x 9024 packets in the pipe at once. In the new versions (3.14 and 5A(190)), 32 x 9024. Obviously, you need the memory to hold all these packet buffers. 32 x 9024 = 288768 bytes. In MS-DOS Kermit, that means free physical conventional memory. (Yes, we considered putting packet buffers "high", but it turns out to be a bad idea for performance reasons.) In C-Kermit, you might have to give a SET BUFFERS command first, to allocate the buffer memory. This might seem silly to you, but there is a good reason for it -- see the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:15:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:16:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:16:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS/V (Kanji Terminal Emulation) Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:15:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <36p06e$nbp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kanji Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 20 Sep 1994, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote: > Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the > IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)? I have a 3.13 > beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost > unusable. The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis > coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei > Telecom. > I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for DOS/V might or might not be in it. It will be in version 3.14 when it is announced (hopefully very soon). I sent your question to the person who wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this response: "Sorry for the delay. "I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have no friends who are using that DataBase. "However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set. This is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to designate the Swedish character set." So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom to fix their character-set designating escape sequence. If this is not the correct answer, let me know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:14:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:21:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:21:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent kermit servers Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 03 Oct 1994 13:14:37 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at all times? Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the and stop the remote server? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:21:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:30:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:30:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Undocumented kermit server commands? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 03 Oct 1994 13:21:55 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a command "S". I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand "S". Am I right? Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names (numbers?). I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources! -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:48:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:48:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:48:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent kermit servers Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote > ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply > respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at > all times? > Yes, it should be. Read the release notes (.upd files) for the forthcoming new versions of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM mainframe Kermit. > Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit > server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a > virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server > commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the > and stop the remote server? > How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters and a trashed Kermit packet? - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:50:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 09:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands? Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:50:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <36p27m$pmf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find > docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. > For now, it's still in Info-Kermit Digest V 11 # 1, 4 Jan 1990, available on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file mail.90a. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:48:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:48:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 10:47:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:48:47 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Frank, I've been a quiet viewer of this discussion. You have my upmost respect and admiration for Kermit, for making yourself available (which took more guts than I can ever imagine having), for sticking to your guns. I'm not much of a prayer but you have my prayers, Frank. Kermit has saved me more times than I can count. Whenever my hard drive decides not to work, and I need to get online to finish up a project (or to read news, answer mail), I pop in my emergency bootup-Kermit diskette. Nothing else is as reliable as Kermit. Nothing else is as sturdy, dependable and nearly as marvelous as Kermit. I've advocated its use by local BBS sysops so that they can impliment the "real" Kermit. Most of them have purchased the manuals from the local Barnes & Noble so that they could make the most out of it. And seeing the dedication of Frank to following his ideals, I will finally (finally!) purchase the documentation, as I'm at the point where the things I want to do I simply *can't* do without knowing more of what I'm doing :-) You have my blessings, Frank, and the Kermit development team. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - Discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 13:32:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:41:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 11:41:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!KremlSun!kiae!relcom!newsserv From: Nicolay V. Danilov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I get SUPER KERMIT protocol description ? Date: Mon, 03 Oct 94 17:32:32 +0400 Distribution: world Organization: Private Person Message-Id: Sender: news-service@kiae.su Reply-To: isdltd@isdltd.msk.ru X-Return-Path: kiae!isdltd!isdltd.msk.ru!isdltd Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a SUPER KERMIT protocol, used in Sprint Networks desctiption and/or C source code. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:25:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 12:40:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@tmr.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:25:08 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 28 Sender: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com Message-Id: <36pb94$cbf@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Reply-To: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Sergio Fanchiotti wrote: :Keith & Frank, : : : Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time : it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version : of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). Actually a terminal emulator which could easily be expanded to cover a number of protocols would be nice, just as ghostscript can include target formats. I think the obvious choices are Kermit, Xmodem (for historical reasons), and zmodem. The question is can someone come up with a better file transfer protocol and include that, thus eventually driving out the lesser protocols eventually? As I see it: 1. fast, performance like zmodem. 2. ability to continue if connections are lost (again like zmodem). 3. bidirectional, to use links better. Maybe we're reinventing IP? Anyway, I think the time has come, now that the distribution of Kermit has been officially limited. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:36:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:15:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:15:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:36:03 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.news.prodigy.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: :In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET :As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture :if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is :wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a :public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support :behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase :the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us :for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work :on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change :the way we get income; I hope not. I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer people have the software completely eludes me. My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit motive. -- Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy "Pain builds moral fiber" -my dad "Pain hurts" -me From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 12:41:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:53:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 13:53:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:41:26 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 9 Message-Id: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 18:16:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:16:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:16:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:16:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. > Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) > Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. > I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. In other words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to bankroll the operation out of your pocket. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 17:17:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:23:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:22:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!ns.mcs.kent.edu!Snake.mcs.kent.edu!rothstei From: rothstei@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Michael Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP? Date: 3 Oct 1994 17:17:31 GMT Organization: Kent State University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <36pebb$7v1@ns.mcs.kent.edu> References: <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.mcs.kent.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36hsus$qtn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: (snip, snip) }I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really }boring. There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the }general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work }we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development, }and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development. } }Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result }of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction }of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would }disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same }thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get }for a third of a penny. Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they }pester us to death with questions that are already answered there. Work }grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it. }Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free, }so we won! Yay! But then technology changes, operating systems change, }communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the }tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who }care so much about quality and support. } }I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and }let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do, } }- Frank Here is a different idea: make Kermit available the way it was before, but **only** answer tech questions on a 900 line; this would enable you to get the funds you need for tech support, and you could always slip in a plug for the documentation instead of the hold muzak. You might argue that overseas people don't have access to the 900 line, which is true, but I think overseas people have to think twice before calling in for support except for emergencies: calls from overseas are ***real***expensive***. -- Michael Rothstein (Kent State U)| Any similarity between Kent State's opinions (rothstei@mcs.kent.edu) | and my opinions is strictly coincidential. The only way to tell you're sane is with a certificate from the insane asylum. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 18:33:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:33:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 14:33:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:33:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com>, Bill Davidsen wrote: >In article <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >:In article <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET > >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > There is a huge difference. The shareware premise starts out by saying that everybody that uses the software must pay money. Some do and most don't but you don't chase people because it doesn't pay too. Kermit says, the software is free provided you receive it from some electronic means: ftp, gopher, www, bbs, ... Kermit may not be distributed by anyone that charges money for physical media or that includes kermit as part of a larger package WITHOUT PERMISSION. In other words, shareware libraries via mail; operating systems; Internet access packages; third party terminal emulators or BBS programs. Kermit is like your local museum or zoo which asks for a donation but will let you in if you choose not to pay one (except for those special exhibits). Shareware MUST be paid for, otherwise, you are breaking the law. How many people in this group are using Unregistered versions of DSZ, or ZOC, or Telix, or ...? If you continue, using them without registering you break the law. Will you be caught, not likely. But you are still guilty. Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, we would like you to order the manual. It reduces the need for technical support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it. But do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else. Can we get onto something else? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:04:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:17:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410032004.AA20257@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:04:20 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could be downloaded. This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to take full advantage of the software. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 21:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:54:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 3 Oct 1994 21:12:25 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ac852.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way : shareware works. Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, etc., without paying a penny. I wouldn't do this with shareware. Unless I pay, it is against the law. Shareware is not free. Besides, the distribution decision is the developers' call to make. Every possible argument for a change of policy has already been presented. Anything more is just hassle. Please, thank them or leave them alone. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:04:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 18:04:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 18:04:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:04:52 GMT Expires: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 74 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual. A >number of people have invested time and energy and resources into >making Kermit what it is today. I've stayed out of this (publicly) as long as I can. I'm sorry to be fueling a discussion that I wish would simply die out... Kermit is primarily the work of a *very* small number of people, helped along to a *very* small amount of work contributed by a large number of people. Besides the group at Columbia, I would guess that there are perhaps 10 people in the world who have contributed a quantity of work that should be considered "substantial" in comparison with what has been done at Columbia. I'm not trying to denigrate anyone here, and I am speaking from experience. I have been contributing to the C-Kermit effort for several years now. On a few occasions, when my schedule and interest permitted, I have contributed a considerable amount of work. But I have no delusions as the the magnitude of my contribution compared to the overall kermit effort - or even the overall C-Kermit effort. I certainly don't presume to attempt to tell Frank how kermit can or can not be distributed because of my contribution. >This isn't just about Simtel and >Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some >vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI. Well, is this supposed to be a negative point? My experience has been that virtually all of these are distributing versions of kermit that are so old they are very limited in usefulness, and are virtually certain to generate loads of requests to Columbia for help - exactly what Frank has been saying they want to stop. >And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do >dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by >maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name >two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to >keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with >the Columbia people. There are real issues here, and Frank has already discussed them. >Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering >something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the >omnipotent GUI has emerged. So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that >documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going >to just die and spell the end of an era. This is pure opinion. I don't agree. >No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making >a quality software product. So don't do it. >But it seems like they need some help here, >and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone. >There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and >every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better >serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and >simplistic arguments. Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. >Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia? >It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone. Have you ever worked in a University environment? I have, and I can tell you that just because something "seems worthwhile" doesn't mean it will be funded by the University. Please, give Frank credit for a little bit of intelligence in this area. I'm quite sure that he has explored the possibility of getting other kinds of funding. I suspect that he still does this on a regular basis. Just because he doesn't post the details for public discussion doesn't mean he isn't doing it. jw From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 20:01:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:58:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 19:58:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:01:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >:As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture >:if this debate must be carried out over and over again. Maybe what is >:wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a >:public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support >:behind it, all free. All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase >:the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us >:for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work >:on your behalf. Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change >:the way we get income; I hope not. > >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. It's a different way of acheiving the same goals. Except that Frank (and the Kermit team)'s motives aren't profit oriented - simply enough to support the project and keep it going. warning: I am going to use gross generalizations. Frank 'n co. have a limited staff. By keeping the distribution to folks with ftp access and BBS people free, they are distributing it to people who, generally, have a greater understanding of how the computer works and how to set things up. When people buy it with the manual, they have all of the answers that they need. HOWEVER - when it is distributed on CD-ROMS - a *lot* of people will get it. People who often have had their computers set up, who have a less extensive knowledge of computers. I know this is true at least *some* of the time, because of the kinds of questions I've had to answer about my Deskmate .snd conversion program from people who found it on CD-ROM's, versus those who found it on BBS's, versus those who found it on the Internet. The CD_ROM people's questions were questions about the simple stuff (relatively speaking) The BBS people's questions were about more complex things. And the Internet people seemed to be asking questions that were beyond my knowledge. I could answer most, but some I had to refer to other people, newsgroups, etc. I don't mind answering questions at all about it, but with a more general purpose program like Kermit (more general than my sound converter), there will be thousands more questions. What is wrong with Frank and co. saying: "Look... copy it to whom you wish. Spread it around. But a CD-ROM will simply be a case where its spread around too much. We just don't have the support staff." If they had the money, they could support the extra work. But they don't. People who search for Kermit, know what they want it for, will find it, and eventually (like myself, shortly) buy the manual. But people who see it as one program of thousands aren't as likely to, as it won't be given the same weight in their minds. Keep up the good work, Frank. Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 22:52:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:34:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:34:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 22:52:20 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 per year. That's just a starting point. I'm sure Columbia would have more than 1,000 paying customers for such a well-supported product as Kermit - if it was continually updated and improved. I see no reason why this funding model should not have the potential to bring in over $500,000 per year. I feel confident that Columbia would have no trouble getting releases from the authors of the various flavors of Kermit if they stressed that this money will be used for product support and improving the product through future development. With that kind of income Columbia could hire programmers to write new flavors of Kermit and to improve the already exiting flavors. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 00:56:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:56:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Oct 1994 20:56:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 00:56:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > >Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, ... > It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware. And various other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and so on. Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational and legal constraints under which we operate. I will only say that I have not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately, that I did not already think of myself years ago. And I think this discussion is scaring the (substitute appropriate garment) off lots of people in universities and elsewhere -- needlessly. Don't worry people, we Kermit folks have been constant and faithful to you all these years, and the voices in the newsgroups don't speak for us. We have no intention of abandoning our loyal "market niche" to chase after the fast buck, no matter how hard some people -- and economic forces themselves -- push us to do it. Your support and words of encouragement are appreciated. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 03:13:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:16:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:16:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 03:13:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: : Bill Davidsen (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) wrote: : : I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way : : shareware works. : Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. : I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the : standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, : etc., without paying a penny. Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's group when they call the Kermit's group. This is one of the arguments used to limit the distribution, people that don't have manuals call them. This I don't undertand, the difference between CD-ROM distribution and people like you an me distributing copies of kermit. (money aside, CD-ROM vendors and myself have the effects.) One argument that I do understand, is that the Kermit's developer doesnot like CD-ROM vendors putting a copy of kermit in their CDs, without permission. I do understand their view. IMHO, it's a valid reason. You know, if the software and book are really good, people will buy the book. Just like "perl + camel book", "Tk and Tcl + Oustherhout's book". You don't have to beg people to buy it :-) Good luck. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 03:26:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:35:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:35:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 4 Oct 1994 03:26:49 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 41 Message-Id: <36qi1p$k5p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: : > Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. : > Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) : > Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. : > : I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU : Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public : domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* : less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? Why are there a number of C compilers ? editors ? mail processors? X windows ? etc. There are a number of reasons; technical and non-technical. What GNU Kermit (if such beast exists) get *me* that I don't already get from Columbia ? A complete snap-shot of archieve site *including* kermit in a CD. To me as a user, it is a convenience. But I am just one measly user, you can just ignore me. : To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, : and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. Are you sure you need full-time people to make it success ? How about Linux ? perl ? tcl ? ... and many others. : In other : words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing : operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to : bankroll the operation out of your pocket. You are underestimating the power of collaboration of volunteers. Good luck. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 04:41:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!cbs.ksu.ksu.edu!not-for-mail From: mcatlin@ksu.ksu.edu (Micah Catlin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit? Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:41:13 -0500 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 16 Distribution: World Message-Id: <36qmd9$knk@cbs.ksu.ksu.edu> References: <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> <36bv4p$ps8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cbs.ksu.ksu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1994Sep28.001400.10550@emba.uvm.edu> rdangel@moose.uvm.edu >(Robert S. Dangel) writes: >> Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and >> the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines.. >> >currently version 3.13. It is a Windows-aware DOS application. Until >and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere I have one. >near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS >Kermit for use with Windows. I don't know about that, but I have Windoze Kermit. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 04:42:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:13:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:13:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 04:42:23 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >Rahardjo) writes: >> Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc. >> Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-) >> Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol. >> >I don't get it. Why create a parallel universe? What would GNU >Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia? Public >domain software than anybody could sell? No... Software that costs *you* >less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)? No... Then what? More reasonable distribution. NOT just Internet FTP. The GNU project doesn't CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely (they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable handling and media charges) available. >To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people, >and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed. In other >words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing >operating funds. Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to >bankroll the operation out of your pocket. Hmmmm.. Now you DO have a point there... Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 05:26:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:28:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 4 Oct 1994 05:26:32 GMT Organization: None Lines: 67 Message-Id: <36qp28$lbm@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil>, mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil writes: : The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in : application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some : sort of anti-unix plot . It might have something to do with MS-Kermit sending 8 bit control sequences to your Unix editor. If you want an editor that works with these control sequences, I suggest that you try JED. I created and tested JED using MS-Kermit. It even exploits MS-Kermit running on a color PC through color syntax highlighting, etc.... See jed/doc/color.txt for using JED with MS-Kermit. JED is available from amy.tch.harvard.edu. The latest version is 0.97-5b. List of some of JED's features: Runs under Unix, VMS, OS/2, and MSDOS (all versions) * XWindows * DJGPP compiled version for 386/486 PCs support up to 256 Megs of Virtual Memory. This also is able to run in a Windows DOS Box. Emacs*, wordstar*, EDT* emulation C, fortran*, tex*, text editing modes * Color Syntax Highlighting on ALL systems including dialup --- not just XWindows C-like extension language called S-Lang. User configurable (bind keys, write functions, etc....) Region highlighting (even on character based terminals*) 8 bit clean, edit binary files too. Rectangular (box) cut/paste Backup and autosave files Full multilevel undo Regular expressions Gnu Emacs compatable info reader* Dynamic Abbreviation Expansion* (ESC /) Calendar* Mail* and elm like rmail* Dired directory editor* Automatic horizontal pan/scroll (configurable) Parenthesis matching/blinking Filename, buffername, function name completion Menu driven for novice users* Incremental search/replace* Sorting No hardcoded buffer/line limits Multiple windows and buffers Keyboard macros with macro query feature. Buffer mode lines are configurable, e.g., display time, line number, etc... Ispell* Shell commands and ``interactive'' shell* * Note: these functions are written in the extension language. -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 03:30:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:21:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 02:21:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for suggested parameters Date: 3 Oct 1994 23:30:54 -0400 Organization: ncsc Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400 (V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking? Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like: set block-check 3 set buffers 131072 131072 set file name literal set file type binary set receive packet-length 4096 set window-size 31 ... That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1, serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of 12000 baud. -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 00:04:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:32:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:32:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (tom mayo) Subject: Kermit on CD RAM Message-Id: <36q65m$pq@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 27 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:04:06 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If you are feeling really grouchy and uptight about the ongoing Kermit / CD ROM discussions, you may not want to read this. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Oh, wow. This new Cheesebox 5000 computer is really snazzy. It's just like a TV---but with a typewriter too! Well, I just got this thing, and wouldn't you know, it's got one of those CD RAM drives. Amazing! Anyway, I think this CD Rome thing is really great, and I want to get Kermit because I always loved the Muppets---especially the frog! Do they sell Kermit for my CD RAM? I can't wait to find out because the computer also came with a ZModem too. Maybe I could get Kermit to sing "It ain't easy being green" over the Zmodem to my sister in Topeka. -George Creamcheese +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is my personal creation to be used for entertainment purposes only. Please forward all flames to /dev/null. -Tom Mayo N1RMU tcmayo@mntr02.psf.ge.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 08:57:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 08:57:06 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 70 Message-Id: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not as Garbo's moderator. In article <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: :Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. :Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may have either of the two goals: 1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and financially. 2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the current practices whether they are optimal for you or not. Please do not be offended, since I am trying to analyze this as dispassionately as I can as a management scientist now. I am afraid that your (Columbia's) goal is rather clearly the second one, that is pushing the problem under the carpet. You wish the problem to go away by itself, or deny that you have a problem by rationalizing keeping exactly your current practices. (That's why Frank has even himself said he keeps repeating himself). You have every right to have this goal, but I can assure you that it is bad management. I wish you to be aware what your implicit assumptions in this are. Please do not deceive yourselves. Assume, however, your goal were the first, or that you can bring yourself to redefine your true goal to be the first. In this case your problem is not generating enough funds. One of the main culprits for that is the FREE support you give. That, not the CDROMs. Whatever you decide or have decided with respect to CDROMs will not solve your problem. Before one can begin to solve a management problem one must realize amd definbe what the true problem is, and here it is not overly difficult to pinpoint. Onece you have the problem pinpointed, then, if you truly want to solve it, you can start looking how well the alternative strategies work for your goal. :we would like you to order the manual. It reduces the need for technical :support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it. But :do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else. :Can we get onto something else? Why!? Is ending the discussion really the topmost priority. Well, if you wish to, but problems are not solved by ignoring them. If one has a dilemma, and truly wants to solve it, on does not keep repeating that the discussion should cease. Decide. Is your goal making this discussion to go away, or having a better solution than what you no have. Of course I have a vexed interest, but even so, you are not making the best of this from your OWN point of view either. Summary: Decide whether defending you position or solving your management problem is your underlying goal. If the latter, identify your problems, and assess the conquences of the different alternatives on your goals. Do it dispassionately and systematically. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 09:04:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 09:04:52 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) Sigh! Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and time allocation dilemma? All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 09:06:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:52:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 05:52:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to catch SHIFT-ESC in kermit Message-Id: Date: 4 Oct 94 09:06:53 GMT Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 44 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit users, I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with 21 patches in it. We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT. Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769) but set key \852 hello works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but set key \769 hello doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC! When redefining the ESC key itself by set key \27 hello also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but that's not a problem for us at this moment). Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something running under DOS however!) Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 10:19:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:41:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 07:41:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:19:40 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:28:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:28:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for suggested parameters Date: 4 Oct 1994 12:28:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <36rhpi$okp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36qi9e$oeb@romulus.ncsc.mil> richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) writes: > Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400 > (V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking? > Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like: > set block-check 3 > set buffers 131072 131072 > set receive packet-length 4096 > set window-size 31 ... > That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1, > serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and > the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of > 12000 baud. > You might be able to use control-character unprefixing to squeeze out a little additional speed, but the 3B1 itself is going to be the limiting factor. In fact, here is a case where huge buffers might actually slow you down. I have had reports that there is a certain size (of Kermit's "core image") beyond which the 3b1 will swap itself into oblivion. So you might actually want to try less window slots, shorter packets. Also, as an antiquated system running an old version of System V, hardware flow control is not available, so buffer overruns are likely. If your modem allows it, you might want to set up Xon/Xoff flow control between Kermit and your modem. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:28:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:44:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:44:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 12:28:49 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Budi Rahardjo (rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote: : In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: : : Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. : : I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the : : standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians, : : etc., without paying a penny. : Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems : and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people : do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's : group when they call the Kermit's group. We have four copies of the manual. I keep one at home, one in my office, and two in our department computer lab, available to everyone to whom I distribute Kermit. Since I have appended a custom startup file appropriate for our facilty, and I supply a two-page description of how to get started, there are very few problems or questions. Another nice touch is that I have reconfigured the keymap so that PageUp, PageDown, Insert, Delete, and the function keys all behave more or less the same way in emacs as they do in WordPerfect for DOS. That gives us a near-zero learning curve for editing. When people do have problems, they 1. RTFM. 2. Ask me. If I don't know the answer, I a. RTFM. b. E-mail Columbia. Less than one problem per two years in our department makes it to 2(b). That's less than 0.125 support requests per manual per year. What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM? -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:12:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:54:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 08:54:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:12:39 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:45:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:04:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:04:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!uknet!acorn!not-for-mail From: agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:45:27 +0100 Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 18 Message-Id: <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acorn.acorn.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, >once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading >the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts >and set long packets and sliding windows etc. Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases. -adrian From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:48:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:05:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:05:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:48:37 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >likely to kill the Kermit effort. It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:16:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl26 From: swl26@cas.org () Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121649.2556@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:16:49 GMT Lines: 66 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:45:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:13:34 -0400 Control: cancel <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl26 From: swl07@cas.org () Subject: cmsg cancel <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Message-Id: <1994Oct4.124505.4384@chemabs.uucp> Originator: swl26@ Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:05 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <1994Oct4.121239.2205@chemabs.uucp> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:19:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:40:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 09:40:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Cc: slayten@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:19:21 GMT Lines: 71 Bill Davidson (davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com) writes: >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. > >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to throw caution to the winds and add my comments. I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware authors don't. People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide technical support for free. I know that I have asked for support from both fdc and jrd, and never been denied. Because they have a reputation and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to continue for everyone. On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not expect such free support from a shareware author. (Though most comm programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me use Telix as an example. If I knew the net address of the telix author, I would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the shareware registration. Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-) Most software vendors are struggling with the problem of support. Many commercial ventures have moved away from free support. I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives. I don't believe that they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions made on this list. Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT. Both sides of this discussion have their positions, and I can see them both and respect them both. I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anyone. I don't intend to criticize anyone. If I've offended, I hereby apologise. Now, I'd like to see this discussion end. If you have suggestions as to how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to review them in a private communcation. If you have a suggestion to Timo and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. We've heard both sides of the story. Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop it. Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions, send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list. Regards, Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 11:09:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:02:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 94 11:09:10 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 57 Message-Id: References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Nntp-Posting-Host: taren2la.apd.dec.com X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: >Simple: Kermit is free; shareware is not. Kermit is not free, if I use it in a customer project I have to negotiate with Columbia, if I want to put it on CDROM, I have to negotiate with Columbia e.t.c. Thus, as soon as I start using it as a part of a bundle of software, (which I might sell for a profit athough I don't charge anything for the kermit part in it but do charge for my own contribution to it), I have to negotiate with Columbia. This is different from truely free software which is not restricted by anything (only by copyright to ensure that the software stays free). It's not strange or anything that you to do this but IMHO you can not maintain the claim that Kermit is free; Kermit is free for a limited number of purposes and the limitation is described in kermits copyright notice. As far as I can see Kermit is Shareware. Compare it with F-Prot. F-Prot is Shareware but free for private use. Kermit is free for distribution on FTP-sites and free to use for yourself but not free for use in a project for a customer or for putting it with other programs on CD-ROM. So both share the same principal, it is shareware but free to use as long as you don't cross a set border-line. For F-Prot this border-line is Non-private use, for Kermit it is distribution on CD-ROM or use in a customer project. What might be confusing is that Shareware not means that you have to pay always but that you have to pay if you meet certain conditions. For Shareware most of the time a condition is set that you have to pay after using the product for xxxx days or so, but like F-Prot shows the condition can also be if you fall into a certain category and that it is still free if that doesn't apply. Kermit is not freeware, it is shareware and it has always been shareware, if you use it after meeting a preset condition you have to negotiate with Columbia. The amount of money Columbia will charge you is unknown, you are completly in the dark because there is not a single document supplied with kermit that will say anything about what you can expect. Ok, I'm not going to reply on this subject anymore since everything to be said is covered by now. Even if everyboby will tell me Kermit is free I still beleive it is shareware; it is a matter of definition of the word 'Shareware' to deterimine if it applies to Kermit. That I don't have to pay is just a matter of not meeting the payment condition set for it. Kind regards, Henk. P.S. There is a copy of Kermit in Prentice-Hall's distribution of MINIX (on floppy) is that illegal too? I guess so... -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:03:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:03:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:03:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:03:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 190 Message-Id: <36rnan$1dl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > :Kermit is FREE. If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal. > :Its FREE. If you need technical support, you will get it FREE. However, > Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking > for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may > have either of the two goals: > > 1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and > financially. > > 2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the > current practices whether they are optimal for you or not. > > Please do not be offended... > Don't worry, Timo, I'm not. And I hope *you* won't be offended if I sidestep this issue for a while, even though the points you raise are worth discussing. You see, it is not up to you, Keith, or the several other participants in this debate to dictate how Joe, I, and the other Kermit workers spend our time. We work extremely long hours trying to satisfy the sometimes pressing needs of our constituency, and that work must take precedence just now over the solution to this problem. Watch the new companion newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.ann for results. I understand that some people don't like our policy with respect to CDROMs, and I suppose we will have to find a creative way to deal with this issue down the road. But for now, we are not set up to cope with it, for reasons outlined -- if not microscopically detailed -- in previous discussions. We are satisfying hundreds of thousands, probably millions of users with just a small handful of people. That's because our users either (a) order from us by mail, in which case they get the documentation they need and therefore do not bother us with tech support calls unless they are cases not covered in the documentation (and we like such calls, because they tell us how to improve our products), or (b) they are large organizations that have their own internal support structures, and therefore do not impinge greatly upon our time, and when they do, again, it is because of important issues that we need to address in our products themselves. This system has worked extraordinarily well for more than a decade. CDROMs, however, go to the mass market. Let's use an analogy to illustrate what this means. Ten years ago (or so), computers were big, loud, heavy things in the machine rooms of universities, companies, hospitals, and government agencies, with tentacles reaching out to terminals in the needed locations. This was the now-discredited centralized model. The central computer had a central support organization which trained its users, installed and maintained software, and handled problems, and every user saw the same thing, experienced the same behavior. When there was a problem, it was fixed in one place. Although the central computer was quite expensive, the support and training issues were handled very efficiently. The computer and software industries realized that there was only so much money to be made this way, and therefore shifted their focus to the mass market -- a computer in every home, store, office, etc. Margins are slimmer, prices are lower, power is higher, software is more "user friendly", etc etc. This same movement resulted in the abandonment of the central computing model in organizations. "Mainframes" were "dinosaurs" that sucked up enormous amounts of capital and operating money; PCs were cheap, throw-away commodoties that could go on every desk; each one, according to popular wisdom, having the same power as the mainframe, and much more user-friendly in the bargain. Before we knew it, every organization in the world was on a "downsizing" (hastily rechristened "rightsizing") campaign. This is all to the good. Technology is the driving force of society, and technlogy is always improving, and therefore society benefits more and more with every innovation. Costs go down, productivity goes up. But something went wrong. It didn't happen that way. Costs went up, productivity went down. Why? Because now we have literally millions of computer-naive people needed massive amounts of help -- technical support; training; one-on-one hand-holding. An issue related not only to the "naivete" of the end users and the rapid pace of change in technology and software, and the resulting unreliability compared to the tried-and-true mainframe environment, where bugs had been worked out over the course of decades. A recent study by the Gartner group (I don't have the reference handy, but I read this in one of the prominent trade publications) found that, contrary to expectations, the cost to a "rightsized" IS-intensive company of maintaining its previous level of productivity was SIX TIMES what it was in the centralized model. I know from my own experience, quite apart from anything to do with Kermit, in my own very large organization, that this figure is not far off the mark. These people, finding computers on their desks instead of 3270 terminals (or a typewriter), need massive amounts of help, even with today's prepackaged, slick, graphical client/server object-oriented technologies. There is no "magic pill" for these people -- every problem is hideously complex, and every solution is unique. "I can't print my file!" Not only could there be 500 reasons for this, you can't even hope to talk the user through exploring any of them because they don't even know what the words mean. They clicked on a printer icon and nothing came out. You have to over in person, read their AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS, remove TSRs (that some other helpful person installed for them), check for interrupt conflicts and noisy buses, remove boards, fool with jumpers, figure out their memory management configuration and address conflicts -- no two PCs are configured the same way, and if the PC is on a LAN, then you have networking issues at every level to worry about. I could go on. Most of you have been there. In this example, I have been talking about simple, supposedly self-contained "office automation" or "personal productivity" applications. Now what happens when we are speaking of an application that connects two computers via modems? I am sure that all readers of this newsgroup know that there is no "plug and play" solution to this problem. Today's modems are very complex instruments, with manuals nearly an inch thick. And every make and model is different. The PC hardware is different too and, I must say, increasingly difficult to deal with. For example: as CPU power and speed increase, serial port quality has not kept pace, and in many cases has detiorated. Our mass market consumer who buys a 66 MHz Multimedia Turbo Screamer with at Sears or Computerland will have a difficult time understanding why its much-vaunted communications capabilities don't measure up to expectations, and soon enters the jungle of non-buffered and/or defective UARTs, interrupt conflicts, and all the rest. Each of these cases takes considerable time and effort to resolve. Again, there is no magic pill -- every case is different. Within organizations, however, the pendulum is beginning to swing back in the old, discredited direction. Standardization, central support, centralized resources such as modem pools, become key to saving costs and boosting productivity. Organizations: corporations, universities, hospitals, government agencies, and so on -- this is where Kermit software can be used most effectively at the present time, because of their centralized support of key resources and their internal support structures. They relieve us of the burden of technical support. Although most of them contribute little or nothing to our financial health, most of them also do not impact adversely upon it. In the mass market, very few people are going to be able to cope with problems without some help. Help comes in the form of what I consider to be some excellent, thorough, "user-friendly" books, which take them step-by-step through every phase of the communication process -- pictures, examples, and all, and even go to some lengths to explain to them what is really going on behind the scenes -- not just "press the F7 key". Or else help must come in the form of individualized hand-holding -- in the mass market there are no organizational hands-on training facilities where we can achieve economies of scale. Communications software is far more complex and difficult to support than self-contained applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, etc, because the number of combinations of variables is literally INFINITE. Now, you might ask, isn't the same true for, say, Telix? I don't know if Telix is distributed on CDROM, but let's suppose it is. The answer is: not quite. Telix and most other shareware PC communication software is designed to communicate in a very special restricted environment: PC to BBS. Here the problem set is reduced to a manageable level: it only runs on PCs, it only talks to other PCs on only one kind of communications channel -- serial, full duplex, 8-bit clean, totally transparent to all bit patterns, etc. Directory structure and file names are the same, file formats are the same, character sets are the same. Our support people have to cover territory that is INFINITELY wider than that. Now, here is the final nail in the coffin. In response to those who say: "you're shooting yourself in the foot... you want to keep Kermit all to yourself... you don't want it to be popular... putting it on CDROM would increase its popularity and therefore be good for you...": I would agree if I thought that CDROM buyers would purchase the documentation. But they won't. If they happen to stumble across, say, MS-DOS Kermit among the 11,000 other software programs that lay before them, they will either dismiss it immediately because it does not have a GUI, or they will try it and give up immediately, in disgust, because they can't figure out how to use it. Lest this sound as if I am denigrating MS-DOS Kermit, I most emphatically am not. Lone individual mass-market consumers are not backed up by an organization that includes computer professionals capable of recognizing the technical merits and tradeoffs in choosing one package over another. Mass market consumers generally follow the trade press, which I'm sure you will all agree, focuses only on the most superficial aspects of any issue. I am quite willing to concede that as matters stand, Kermit software is simply not suited for the mass market. It is better suited for the organizational world where it can be set up, customized, and supported on a centralized basis. I hope that we will be able to change this situation in the future. It is a matter of accumulating sufficient funds so we can invest in additional development power. And that is what we are trying to do. I thank everyone for their support and encouragement. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:36:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:36:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo, Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that *is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. He seems to be starting to see things going in a downward spiral because he is being pressured into changing his policies. Please stop pressuring him, especially in public. It is a private matter between you and Frank. If you can't come to agreement, then let it go, Timo. Frank has good reason for not wanting people to sell Kermit, and he should be allowed that. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 12:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:38:35 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >:Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup) > >Sigh! Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in >here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and >time allocation dilemma? The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it. It's *not* our concern. The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best. He DOESN'T want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:06:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:06:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:06:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: > >I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more > >and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is > >likely to kill the Kermit effort. > > It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If > it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The > proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell > 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? > That's a very good suggestion, Keith. We are, in fact, exploring this option. It is one of many options for us to explore. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:08:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:08:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:08:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 4 Oct 1994 14:08:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36rnkb$1mj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) writes: > Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the > settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that > optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. > Let's postpone the discussion of Kermit on BBSs until after version 3.14 is announced. Then we'll have something new to talk about. - Frank x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:56:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:21:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:21:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!eisner!stone_l From: stone_l@eisner.decus.org (Larry Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct4.095654.6265@eisner> Date: 4 Oct 94 09:56:53 -0500 References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: DECUServe Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET>, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for > individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., > a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if > there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 > per year. Well that may be a good funding model but as a paying model for many companies, it won't work. Getting my company to buy a manual is simple. Paying for software, whether it's "traditional" or shareware, is very difficult. Let's put it this way - I'll be retired (and that's in 25 years) before I could get $300 for shareware. My company (and also a previous employer) don't like to blindly sign software license agreements because it places obligations on the company. OTOH, buying a book entails no obligations (other than to pay) so it's no problem. > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND -- Larry Stone | VAX Systems Administator | stone_l@eisner.decus.org | From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 11:14:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:14:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 11:14:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!fmsrlr.srl.ford.com!fmsrlu.srl.ford.com!milam From: milam@fmsrlu.srl.ford.com (Bill Milam) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:47:58 Organization: Control Systems Dept @ Ford Scientific Research Lab Lines: 68 Message-Id: References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fmsrly.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Normally I am fairly mild mannered, and slow to anger but this really got to me.... In article fanchiot@surya1.cern.ch (Sergio Fanchiotti) writes: >w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >>It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free >>distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP. That >>will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems >>which do not have access to the Internet. What planet you been living on Keith? Do Sinclairs have Internet access? Do Apple II machines have Internet access? Over half the machines supported by Kermit do not normally attach to networks. Kermit is popular because it is a darn good product, not because SimTel or anyone else distributes it. People do not use software because it is easy to get, they use it because it preforms a task they need done, and it does that task well. Kermit and it's distribution predates most of what is now known as internet. For many years Kermit was the software that allowed all those poor non-Internet folks to communicate between systems. On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years FREE of charge. I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind. Same for most CD-ROM distributions. The program I am interested in is usually always out of date. If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download from the old Simtel machine... > Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time > it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version > of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before). > Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this > area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing Without a core group of people, which Mr. Stallman has been keeping together, there would be no gcc. Try it for yourself, it is much harder than it looks. > supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here > the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some > improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed! If Linux is still here in 2004, you may have a point. > and their choice. (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the > people don't have FTP access...) See above. Kermit predates almost all of the archive sites, and has been doing just fine without the CD-ROM distribution. > In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the > long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better > and easier to distribute. Guess here is something else for RMS, once > the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see As to this comment...Fine, go ahead and prove you can replace the quality and support for a Kermit replacement and keep it running for a decade or two...it ain't as easy as many of you think. Kermit predates the IBM PC for cryin out loud...this is a tremendous accomplishment. To support a FREE product in the public domain for over a decade and keep it up to date with changing technology, port it to almost every platform known to man, even Sinclairs and the BBC machines, and find itself still setting the standard others shoot for as to quality and support is a ..... words fail.... If i have mortally offended anyone, please feel free to flame me via e-mail and let the people who have legitimate problems get some time in here. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:19:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:39:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:38:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu> <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:19:56 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36rip8$l4i@acorn.acorn.co.uk> agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) writes: >In article <1994Sep30.085933.28315@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition, >>once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading >>the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts >>and set long packets and sliding windows etc. > >Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the >settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that >optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll >buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid >that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases. > >-adrian Well, for sysops like PCBoard and TBBS sysops... they'll probably buy the manuals, as they don't fear spending money to do things "right". This at least seems to hold true to the local BBS fare in my part of New Jersey. Ken From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 15:47:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:45:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:47:08 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu milam@fmsrlu.srl.ford.com (Bill Milam) writes: >On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most >robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as >well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I >support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years >FREE of charge. Look again. MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank. >I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions >of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind. That's because Joe Doupnik was too busy to upload MS-Kermit to SimTel. I had to wait for its announcement in the Info-Kermit Digest and then do the ftp transfer myself. In the early days that wasn't easy because the MS-Kermit package was not distributed as an ARC or ZIP file. Instead it was a dozen or more individual files that the user had to download, hoping not to miss any. >If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download >from the old Simtel machine... In the early days of SIMTEL20 I used Xmodem. Later when Zmodem was ported to TOPS-20 I used Zmodem. I still use Zmodem. You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel. That is NOT the case. SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be rejected because it does not include documentation. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 14:25:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:53:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 12:53:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 14:25:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. > >It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If >it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The >proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell >9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? That's a good question, Keith :-) I can understand why they might not wish to include the documentation on-disk, as then there's the possibility of folks copying it too much, which would hinder the project. But if they offer, for example, a CD-ROM of their latest Kermit offerings, updated once a year, with two manuals for... oh, $99 or so, perhaps $129, they'd get some happy Information Services folks who like the new CD-ROM toys. In the case of Kermit, however, usually folks want only one version, perhaps two or three (unix, PC and Mac, for example for a typical college installation). These can be distributed more cheaply via floppy disks or tape. CD-ROMS have the problem of only being inexpensive if: * Many are produced at once or * They have their own CD-writer, which is $5000 they probably don't have lying around. If they produce many at once, the problem happens when Kermit upgrades occur, and the CD-ROMS are useless. With magnetic media, *zot*, it's erased and a new copy is put on. Am I on the right track, Frank? :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 18:02:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:06:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:06:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:02:32 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 67 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <9410032004.AA20257@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >davidsen@usenety1.news.prodigy.com (Bill Davidsen) writes: >>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >>people have the software completely eludes me. >In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia >University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could >be downloaded. This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to >take full advantage of the software. Oh please, give us a break. I have been using Joe Doupnik's MS-Kermit every now and then for years, without ever reading a book about it. It comes with enough material to get started and do what you need. It is everything else but "Crippleware" ! So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else. This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and, once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit as well. On the other hand, I have to admit that my boss wans't overly enthusiastic to use "something you've pulled off the Net". So when he started playing around with OS/2 I gave him the Walnut Creek Hobbes CD (on which kermit, probaly for the last time, was) and suggested him to have a look into the whole thing. The next day I had my purchase order for the book... :-) So you can count at least one sold book onto a CD publishing... I would like to add a personal remark: My posting, which was at the beginning of this thread, and which was a little bit furiously worded, originally was meant as a private mail and was posted accidentally. While I disagree with his opinion I respect Frank da Cruz' whish not to be further involved with this thread. What we are essentially discussing here is the way Columbia funds the Kermit Project. The essence seems to be that they earn money by both documentation sales and distribution fees. Some people here have argued that CD publishing would increase documentation sales. But no one has (and probably noone can do so without hard numbers and good market estimates) weighed the increased publication revenues (?) against estimated loss of distrubtion fees. Those who can do this best are the Columbia folks, since they have at least hard numbers on their current funding status. Apparently these numbers tohether with the necessary estimates say that they would not benefit from CDROM publishing. Without knowing their numbers, and without provably better own numbers, there isn't much anybody can argue about that. Regards Christoph Weber-Fahr -- Christoph Weber-Fahr | E-Mail: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Universitaet Kaiserslautern, KIT | S-Mail: Postfach 3049 Tel. 0631/205-3391 | D-67653 Kaiserslautern -------------------------- My personal opinion only --------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 19:28:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:28:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 15:28:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit (was Columbia University's Kermit copyrightt) Date: 4 Oct 1994 19:28:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <36sadi$aha@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041901.aa04352@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de writes: > So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and > wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software > that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else. > This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good > opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and, > once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to > some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit > as well. > Fixed in 5A(190). It was a bug :-) You will like 5A(190) much better than 189. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 18:31:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:21:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 16:21:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS/V (Kanji Terminal Emulation) Date: 4 Oct 1994 18:31:52 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 64 Message-Id: <36s72o$44l@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <36p06e$nbp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : On 20 Sep 1994, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote: [Question from jp1ek about DOS/V kermit pointing out bug in handling of Old-Jis as used by Nikkei Telecom.] : I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for : DOS/V might or might not be in it. It will be in version 3.14 when it is : announced (hopefully very soon). I sent your question to the person who : wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this : response: : response: : "Sorry for the delay. : "I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have : no friends who are using that DataBase. : "However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei : Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an : improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set. This : is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old : software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to : designate the Swedish character set." : So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom : to fix their character-set designating escape sequence. If this is not : the correct answer, let me know. The response above is correct but unlikely to get much of a hearing from Nikkei. I have had dealings with the Nikkei people in the US, the UK, and Japan. Among the printable adjectives that come to mind are smug, arrogant, thick, stupid, condescending, etc. When you've got a monopoly or near monopoly, your standards, however FUBAR they may be you are "correct." Just to give perspective on Nikkei, they consider themselves state of the art because in the last couple of years, they've finally started providing 2400 baud dialup service in Japan and packet switching ports (at 2400 baud half duplex). When I pointed out that most pimply teenagers running a BBS out of some attic in the US or the UK were providing 9600 baud or better, the irony was lost. The interface on the Nikkei database has to be experienced to be believed. A former database expert at the British Library described it as "user vicious" as contrasted with "user friendly." When I was programming mainframes in the early 1970s, the UNIVAC software for interactive access was already more sophisticated than what Nikkei offers in the 1990s. The software that they supply for this very pricey "service" seems to be at least 10 years old. The highest screen resolution it offers is EGA. Nevertheless, dealing with the Nikkei is rather like working with the IBM AT standard. Yes, it's crap. Yes, it's wrong. But it's there and it's a very big chunk of the market.... PS The version of kterm supplied with SCO UNIX ODT Japanese supplement does handle the Nikkei improper escape sequence properly.... -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:41:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:32:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:32:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: "Fun" Kermit scripts? Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 17:41:27 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? I know it's got to be possible (while perhaps no "real" FTP on MS-DOS, at least look and feel like FTP, and then offer Kermit to download the file(s) with) Comments? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 20:15:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:33:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:33:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news1.digex.net!cpcug!gerhard From: gerhard@cpcug.digex.net (Gerhard Postpischil) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Modem setup Date: 4 Oct 1994 20:15:39 GMT Organization: Capital PC User Group Rockville, MD USA Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36sd5b$cg9@news1.digex.net> References: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpcug.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edmond Siu (esiu@ee.ryerson.ca) wrote: : Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept communication on com port 4. I'm not sure of the text you'd need to add to the .INI files, but have you tried defining the port explicitly? If you go to the Setup, then Comm(serial?) ports, then Advanced Setup, you should be able to define the port explicitly - it adds one or two lines to the .INI file (if it doesn't, give it an incorrect address/IRQ to force the text to be added, then fix manually). It is also possible that you have run afoul of another problem, that of serial ports having to be contiguous. If you do not have a COM2 or COM3, Windows will make them contiguous (e.g., by changing your COM4 to COM3), without changing the I/O address or IRQ. Note also that the MicroSoft Diagnostic program (MSD.EXE) does *not* display correct IRQ information - it only shows the defaults. Hope this helps. Gerhard Postpischil @ Capital PC User Group Vienna, VA 703-938-1928 Rockville, MD [Team OS/360] [Team OS/2] From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 23:47:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:47:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 19:47:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts? Date: 4 Oct 1994 23:47:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 127 Message-Id: <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? > Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too! > Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? > Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily. Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands. By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously: ;Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 01:19:23 MEZ ;From: "Gisbert W.Selke" ;Subject: The Old Curiosity Shop ;Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, PRODUCT macro ; ; File ARITHMET.INI ; Arithmetic for MS-DOS-Kermit! ; Gisbert W.Selke, Aug 1991. ; Share and enjoy. ; ; This collection of macro definitions for MS-DOS Kermit 3.10 (or later) ; was prompted by Chris Gianone's remark: ; "Meanwhile, creative Kermit users will no doubt find their own uses for ; [the PRODUCT macro]". (Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed., p 182) ; ; Having done some math, I think I *know* what a product is... ; Given that Joe D. has made Kermit with its script language a universal ; Turing machine... There you are. ; ; TAKE this file from the MS-Kermit> prompt; then, you can do calculations: ; tadd <...> : show sum of numbers ; ex: tadd 15 17 yields 32 ; ex: tadd 15 17 19 yields 51 ; tmult <...> : show product of numbers ; ex: tmult 11 13 yields 143 ; ex: tmult 2 3 4 5 yields 120 ; tfact : show factorial of number ; ex: tfact 5 yields 120 ; Macros used internally are explained below. ; ; More importantly, when you're in CONNECT mode and your host sends a ; sequence like "ESC [ 15;7 ~", the product of the two numbers will ; appear on your screen. ; ; Remark: Multiplication can be implemented more efficiently. This is ; left as an exercise for the reader. So are FFT and primality ; testing for large integers. ; ; Uses variables \%a..\%e as arithmetic registers and for passing results. ; ; Elementary operations: ; Increment one-digit number (\%1) by 1; result in \%r, overflow in \%o: def inc1 def \%o 0,if = \%1 0 def \%r 1,if = \%1 1 def \%r 2,- if = \%1 2 def \%r 3,if = \%1 3 def \%r 4,if = \%1 4 def \%r 5,- if > \%1 4 inc1b \%1 ; internal macro for inc1: def inc1b if = \%1 5 def \%r 6,if = \%1 6 def \%r 7,if = \%1 7 def \%r 8,- if = \%1 8 def \%r 9,if = \%1 9 def \%r 0,if = \%1 9 def \%o 1 ; Increment the number in registers \%a..\%e by 1: def inc5 inc1 \%e, ass \%e \%r,if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%d, ass \%d \%r,- if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%c, ass \%c \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%b,- ass \%b \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%a, ass \%a \%r,:e ; Split multi-digit number into digits, result in \%a..\%e: def split def \%a 0,def \%b 0,def \%c 0,def \%d 0,def \%e 0,- if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,if cou go l,:e ; Add \%1 to number in \%a..\%e: def add1 if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,- if cou go l,:e ; Add two numbers; result in \%a..\%e: def add split 0,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 add1 \%2,- if > \v(argc) 3 add1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 add1 \%4,- if > \v(argc) 5 add1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 add1 \%6,- if > \v(argc) 7 add1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 8 add1 \%8,- if > \v(argc) 9 add1 \%9 ; Multiply number in \%a..\%e by \%1; result in \%a..\%e: def mult1 set cou \%1,ass \%9 \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e,if > \%1 0 go s,split 0,- go e,:l,add1 \%9,:s,if cou go l,:e ; Multiply two numbers; result in \%a..\%e: def mult split 1,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 mult1 \%2,- if > \v(argc) 3 mult1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 mult1 \%4,- if > \v(argc) 5 mult1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 mult1 \%6,- if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%8,- if > \v(argc) 9 mult1 \%9 ; Time-honoured practice: a factorial routine: def fact split 1,if = \%1 0 go e,set count \%1,:l,mult1 \v(count),- if cou go l,:e ; user interface macros: calls for macros above, plus display of result: def fatal echo Error: \%1\13, def \%1, stop ; error handler def tinc1 inc1 \%1,echo \%o\%r ; ex: tinc1 5 def tinc5b inc5b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tinc5b 1 2 3 9 9 def tinc5 split \%1,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tinc5 99 def tsplit split \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: tsplit 12399 def tadd add \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e def tadd1 add1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: split 17, tadd1 15 def tmult1 mult1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; ex: split 13, tmult1 7 def tmult mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e def tfact if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {TFact takes exactly 1 numeric - argument},fact \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e ; Multiplication per PRODUCT macro: def product mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,- askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 hit RETURN:,connect ; Factorial: def factorial if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {Factorial takes exactly 1 - numeric argument},fact \%1,askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 - hit RETURN:,connect ; End of MS-DOS-Kermit arithmetic routines. ; ;\Gisbert ; ;[Ed. - Gisbert, you have done a fine job of demonstrating the power, elegance, ;user-friendliness, and ease of use of MS-DOS Kermit's script programming ;language! This breakthrough makes cryptic programming languages like C, ;Fortran, and BASIC -- not to mention hand calculators -- totally obsolete.] From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 1 21:26:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!cleese.apana.org.au!bugalugs.apana.org.au!andrew From: andrew@bugalugs.apana.org.au (Andrew Dunstan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 1 Oct 1994 21:26:13 GMT Organization: The Bugalugs Machine Lines: 35 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36kk5l$drh@cleese.apana.org.au> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bugalugs.apana.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> |> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: |> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and |> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul |> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, |> > when all I want to send is a plain CR. |> > |> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. |> |> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming |> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, |> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent |> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET |> NVT specification (RFC854). |> Thanks for this, Frank. Strangely enough, old versions of kermit seem to work fine - it's only the current version that I had to put together when we migrated to Solaris 2.3 that broke. Also, the Solaris Telnet client works fine - apparently it just negotiates binary mode with the egate and then treats CR in raw mode. BTW, apropos mirrors, insisting that columbia is the only official site is a little hard on those of us who are an ocean and a continent away from there. If every Australian user were to download via our US link, the traffic would be quite heavy. Perhaps columbia should consider making mirror arrangements with some well-known mirror sites, if only to ease the network traffic. cheers andrew dunstan From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 08:37:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:07:05 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36lrfh$arb@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roland Kwee (rkwee@ee.pdx.edu) wrote: : While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact : that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, : I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board : systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading : files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. : Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not : a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners : of zmodem lobbying against it? : Kermit deserves better. : --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org Agreed. Maximus 2.01wb has support for external protocols, and I'd love to see a config file for using MS-Kermit with Maximus. Having 25 cent local calls and only one PC, it's a little difficult and expensive for me to do though. Any volunteers? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 11:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 22:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 2 Oct 1994 21:18:03 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 33 Message-Id: <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36hakv$f1u@panix3.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: : What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a : sane environment? : 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box : talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both : ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected : to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the : Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. : I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. : I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use : xon/xoff. Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters are intercepted by the Unixes at each end, or do kermit commands like the following get around the problem: set flow rts/cts SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP). Any suggestions? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 02:06:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:02:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:02:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!dove!venus.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit takes an upper-case K. Date: 5 OCT 94 02:06:49 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 13 Message-Id: <5OCT94.02064950@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some of you are committing the extreme indignity of referring to this protocol as kermit. The original Kermit is the immortal brainchild of the alas all- too-mortal Jim Henson; please do him the honor of capitalizing Kermit. If you are still in the dark, Kermit was the original Muppet, in the form of a green frog, who originated the expression, "It's not easy, being green." Thank you for your attention. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 5 03:16:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:18:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Oct 1994 23:18:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 20:16:54 -0700 Lines: 43 Message-Id: <36t5r6$2kl@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not >as Garbo's moderator. [...very interesting argument deleted...] This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem with the costs of supporting users. Therefore, the problem is NOT solved by restricting Kermit on CD roms. In my opinion, Columbia should starting to charge for consulting. Or at least ask a little louder for donations from users with questions. If indeed there are so many users with problems, willing to spend time and long-distance phone calls, then there is a market for Kermit consultants. With a little preparation, I would like to think of starting a business. (or is that against the principle that we are not allowed to make a profit from Kermit....) With free distribution of Kermit on as many CD's as possible, the consulting business would do even better. Let the masses be introduced to Kermit! As long as they like the features, and are willing to pay for solving the problems, let them enjoy Kermit. I would like to refer to organizations as the League for Programming Freedom, and GNU (GNU's not Unix), and the Emacs Manifestos, that contain further justifications of providing free software and how to cover your costs. Finally, I am for advancing the state of the art in computing, which in the case of Kermit could mean: going to a better structured Kermit, with a lot of reusable code. Right now, Kermit is dawntingly big. Popularizing Kermit would therefore be better than keeping it secluded. Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for you guys, and Kermit. Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit project. --Roland email: RolandKwee@ACM.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 05:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:39:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 02:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 05:22:34 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 17 Message-Id: <36td6q$6bi@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <36ps3p$h2s@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> <36qh8u$j7n@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36rhq1$rpo@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: ... :What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased :is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM? Do you have a hard number ? How big is it without a CD-ROM distribution? As far as I am concern, we are speculating with this and can't use it as the main issue. As I said earlier, the main issue is not the people without manuals, it is the objection of the CD-ROM vendors making money of kermit. I understand this valid view, although am not totally agree. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 08:40:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:56:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!hydro.com!usenet From: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Faster Kermit protocol engine Date: 5 Oct 1994 08:40:14 GMT Organization: Hydro Data, Norsk Hydro (Norway) Lines: 37 Message-Id: <36tope$13q1@vkhdib01.hda.hydro.com> Reply-To: terjem@hda.hydro.com (Terje Mathisen) Nntp-Posting-Host: sk08ts.hda.hydro.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I wrote my Kermit implementation, I naturally looked for ways to speed it up. Here are a few of the idea I used. Any comments? Packet encoding: I generate a 256x4 byte table of the needed encoding for each possible character during the Send-Init negotiations. The buffered file read routine sets the first position of the input buffer after the file data to a value different from the last byte. This lets me reduce the encoding to the following code: (MaxRep will be either 1, if repeat quoting is unsupported or 94 if it is.) c = *ibuf; rep = 0; do { ibuf++; rep++; } while ((c == *ibuf) && (rep < MaxRep)); /* The previous loop must terminate due to the guard char */ et = &encode_tab[c*4]; elen = *et++; /* Length-preceeded strings */ if (rep + elen > 4) { /* Use repeat prefix only if it's a win! */ *ubuf++ = qrep; *ubuf++ = rep + ' '; rep = 1; } do { memcpy(ubuf,et,elen); ubuf += elen; } while (--rep); The decoding process use another couple of 256-byte tables to handle most of the logic and conversions. -Terje Mathisen (include std disclaimer) "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 04:45:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 05:00:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 05:00:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts? References: <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 04:45:15 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36spj4$37l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) > writes: > > Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts? > > > Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too! :-) > > > Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that? > > > Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily. > Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands. Thanks :-) I'll be *definately* ordering the book shortly - there is *sooo* much I'll need to know, and this is a case where the documentation is a need, rather than a wish! (from everything I've heard about the book, it's one of the most complete, best written books not only about Kermit, but about communications in general!) I look forward to eventually being able to submit some cool scripts to you, Frank - and I surely hope to see others doing it too! It seems like such an incredibly powerful tool, even at simple first glance! > > By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations > like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious > submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time > favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously: Can't wait to check it out :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 11:45:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu!rueiwun From: rueiwun@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Ruei-wun Tu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Date: 5 Oct 1994 11:45:11 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Unix Users Group Lines: 11 Message-Id: <36u3k7$nne@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing any key on my keyboard. Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... Rueiwun Tu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 11:56:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:56:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 07:56:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing Date: 5 Oct 1994 11:56:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-Id: <36u4a0$8v6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36m6lj$cjg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > David Spencer (spencer@panix.com) wrote: > : What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a > : sane environment? > > : 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box > : talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both > : ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected > : to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the > : Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port. > > : I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems. > : I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use > : xon/xoff. > This is documented just about as much as it can practically be documented in the update files that come with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Each particular case is different. If nobody is using Xon/Xoff, you don't have to prefix 17, 19, 143, and 145. But this is not something you can derive by force of logic -- you really have to try it, because you really never know. Kermit itself does not use Xon/Xoff if you tell it not to. > Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters > are intercepted by the Unixes at each end? > Absolutely, positively not. Kermit does everything in its power to change the tty modes to make the connection transparent to every character -- except Xon and Xoff if that type of flow control is being used. tty modes are saved when Kermit starts up, modified for command parsing, modifited again for file transfer, and restored (hopefully :-) when Kermit exits. > or do kermit commands like the following get around the problem: > > set flow rts/cts > SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT > These commands (except SET FLOW) have nothing to do with file transfer. > I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit > completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the > connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP). > That is exactly what Kermit does itself. You don't need to do anything else in Kermit or on your Sun. HOWEVER... the problem is in the areas outside of Kermit's control -- the modems (in your case), and in other cases, the other components of the connection. In your particular case you can probably get by with: SET FLOW RTS/CTS SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 This prefixes only the packet-start character. In fact, you don't even need to do this, but then if you get any transmission errors, recovery is more difficult, i.e. time-consuming. The discussion above assumes you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on both ends. The picture is slightly different otherwise. - Frank > Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 > arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au > ..endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:39:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:40:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: aalbin1@umbc.edu (Captain Adam Albina) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Modem setup Date: 5 Oct 1994 09:39:47 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 18 Sender: aalbin1@umbc.edu Message-Id: <36uab3$495@umbc8.umbc.edu> References: <360h05$u6k@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> <36sd5b$cg9@news1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Keywords: Windows, modem, base address Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I put the following lines in my system.ini and all works well on Com3. (under the [386Enh] section, include: Com1base=03F8 Com2base=2F8H Com3base=03E8 Com4base=2E8H No promises since I don't know your system- but this works for me. Hope it helps. Adam Albina From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:38:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:02:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:02:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:38:12 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. thanks -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 13:57:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:24:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:24:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:57:54 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems Lines: 32 Message-Id: <36ubd2$ao9@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil wrote: : I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The : problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because : of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits : to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not : work in the applications . I have the book and have tried : both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode. : What should I do next ? : The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in : application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some : sort of anti-unix plot . : -- Matt, I had the same sort of problem w/ vi and arrow keys from a DOS/Kermit system. One of our R&D folks pointed me to $HOME/.exrc. (Note: ex and vi are the same editor, different interface.) When i added the line: set timeout=190 things got better. Basically, vi has a timeout for escape sequences which is based on the terminal's baud-rate. Various pieces of a network could cause timing delays that would exceed that limit. Give it a try. Chuck -- Chuck Stickelman PC Sales Engineer Home: (419) 362-1716 CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place N. WATTS: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:18:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:27:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:27:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lille1.fr!zaphod.crihan.fr!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent kermit servers Date: 05 Oct 1994 14:18:26 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Oct 1994 13:48:20 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36p234$pi7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article >B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit >> server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a >> virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server >> commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the >> and stop the remote server? >> >How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters >and a trashed Kermit packet? A valid point. I would not expect to use this mode except over relatively clean communication channels. Simply waiting for the EOL character would probably suffice. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:46:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:47:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:47:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:46:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? > This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. > Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:39:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 10:56:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!tipper.oit.unc.edu!ewt From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:39:17 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 34 Message-Id: <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: tipper.oit.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: >fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that >that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the >folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating >systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through >it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs. For the record, I don't know of any Linux CDROM's that still distribute kermit (there used to be some due to ignorance, but it looks like that has been cleared up for a while now) and it doesn't seem to be hurting linux at all. The CDROM's still ship with zmodem, xmodem, etc., and the first thing I do after installing Linux is downlaod kermit with zmodem. Inconvienent? Yes. Unreasonable? No. If Columbia doesn't make money from the CDROMs, why should the CDROMs make money from Columbia? That doesn't seem fair at all. Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites do exclude it. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:46:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:25:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 05 Oct 1994 14:46:17 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 58 Message-Id: References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 2 Oct 1994 15:57:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people seem to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?" than "how can I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use it more effectively?". I think you're wrong. I think that most people's concern is "How can I make Kermit available for other's use?" YOUR concern is "How can Columbia make sure it makes money from this?" or at least not lose money. However, Columbia University, which sells its reputation to its students and researchers, gains reputation from greater use of Kermit. So, Columbia's greater goals are served by wider use of Kermit, even if it costs Columbia money to support the Kermit group. Similarly, it was in Clarkson's best interest to fund its free software devlopment. Unfortunately, universities are stupid and short sighted, which is why I'm no longer at one. I heard that a prominent Clarkson alumni asked to meet the people behind the Clarkson Packet Driver Collection, and the director of the computing center had to explain that I'd left the university. If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that money with us. But as others have pointed out, free software isn't free. There's always a price associated with it. So *someone* is always making money off Kermit distribution. You are trying to force physical media distributors to pay you, simply because you can. If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware house. I know, because you're listed in my HOWTOGET.IT file for packet drivers as the only place to get packet drivers on floppies. Your policies are perverse, and do not meet your stated goals. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:56:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:56:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:56:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy > floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the > richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware > house. > "Forcing" might be too strong a word, Russ, but you have point which most of our readers are missing (even though I have brought it up before): These "poorest Kermit users" (if we can infer they are poor from the fact that they are not on the Internet) are paying the money that supports the work that we do which you, the "richest" are benefitting from for free. Is there something wrong with this picture? Of course. Suppose the situation were reversed, and the Internet users, who are so particular about how they can get our software and turn it into a moneymaker for themselves without supporting our work -- or even, leaving those people aside (even though it is in their behalf that these discussions are being conducted, ad nauseum) -- those on the Internet who simply use our software themselves... (now remember how this clause began, all of you full backup parsers in human clothing...) paid for our work so that we could distribute it free of charge to the people who are not on the Internet? You all know where to send your money. Thanks. I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs. The question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without killing the Kermit effort? I'm not asking any of you to answer this question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met. As long as we must pay or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it. I'd also like to remind everybody of the dynamics of newsgroups -- there are variable amounts of time delay, which result in a peculiar kind of resonance in discussions like this. Russ's message was in response to one of mine from many days ago. Russ has a unique perspective, and apart from his uncharacteristic closing sentence, offers some valuable insights. But most of this is old territory, and does not need to come to the foreground again and again simply because of the mechanics of netnews. So please, when you are composing your next barb in the heat of the moment, pay attention to the date of the message you are responding to, and if it is a day or two or more in the past, you are probably not going to contribute anything new. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 14:01:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:08:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 94 14:01:39 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Nntp-Posting-Host: taren2la.apd.dec.com X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, we all jumped on Frank for not allowing Kermit on CD-ROM. We heard his arguments and it is clear that it has to be this way. Still I find it a pitty that Kermit was removed from the major archives for this reason. I remember that we lost other programs too this way. Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM distribution in the end?). Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:08:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:09:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:09:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:08:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Ruei-wun Tu wrote: >Hello, > Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to > write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the > line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a > larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line > will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing > any key on my keyboard. > > Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... > > Rueiwun Tu C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro. As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's. I would suggest using the HASH mode for ftp's. This will generate a # mark for every X bytes transfered. This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon only monitors incoming characters. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:25:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:53:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:53:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:25:21 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 53 Message-Id: <36ugh1$2u9@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36i5s7$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@simtel.coast.net> <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36udql$l3a@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) writes: >Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are >ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites >do exclude it. > >Erik > Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt Then practice what you preach. sunsite is funded in part by Sun, a commercial concern if ever there was one. sunsite, specifically, you, though there's kermit stuff on there owned by other users, is distributing Kermit. Unless you have written authorization from Columbia, I suggest that you think about what you are saying. Here's the pertinent section of the Kermit Copyright: product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. Here's the pertinent part of ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/READ.ME: are provided without warranty of any kind. Please read specific copyright notices and disclaimers. Most of this software is not "public domain". Here's the pertinent part of ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/DISCLAIMER.readme: ACCESS TO AND USE OF THE SunSite.unc.edu FTP SERVER IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS: All software, documentation, research data, and other materials ("Materials") submitted for installation on the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will be deemed in the public domain, except for any express restrictions included in such Materials by the submitting party. Neither the University of North Carolina ("UNC") nor Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation ("Sun") are responsible for providing notice of or enforcing any such restrictions. All parties submitting Materials to the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server represent and warrant to UNC and Sun that the submission, installation, copying, distribution, and use of such Materials in connection with the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will not violate any other party's proprietary rights. Neither UNC nor Sun are And check out the files that you own on sunsite.unc.edu: pub/Linux/apps/comm: -rwxr--r-- 1 ewt 175588 Aug 11 1993 ckermit-189.tar.gz pub/Linux/distributions/MCC/1.0+/extra_packages: -r--r--r-- 1 ewt 173334 Mar 27 05:29 kermit.tgz -Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 15:56:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:58:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 12:58:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!wsu-cs!mathsun!handel From: handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Information display during transfers Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:56:29 GMT Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Reply-To: handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) Nntp-Posting-Host: mathsun.math.wayne.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain? Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed information is always displayed? Thank you, Dave -- Dave Handel Department of Mathematics handel@math.wayne.edu Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan 48202 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 17:18:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:19:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:19:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Information display during transfers Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:18:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <36un5s$95r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) writes: > I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC > (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at > the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information > "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. > Notice the date: eight years and four weeks ago. That has given us time to make quite a few improvements :-) -- including the ones you are asking about. C-Kermit 5A(190), in its VERY LAST beta edit, is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (and .gz). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:58:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:47:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 13:46:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!newsfeed.pitt.edu!ctc.com!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es? Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:58:07 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36uluv$3sf@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> References: <36g46d$m36@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact > that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform, > I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board > systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading > files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend. > Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not > a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners > of zmodem lobbying against it? There is no conspiracy against Kermit. I myself only started to use it when I got my INet access. It is supported on quite a few BBS [mainly those run on Maximus] but you say it is an outdated version. Most people do not use Kermit on BBSs because it is quite difficult to set up an external protocol [for sysops who want a newer version of Kermit] and there are faster and more popular protocols [namely Z-modem, Bimodem, and a bunch of others] and Kermit is not seen as a very fast protocol. I get about 55-60% efficiency, and my terminal program always gives an inflated ratio, so I don't know. But you're right that Kermit deserves better... From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 15:02:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:02:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:02:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!blekul11!bliulg11!pirard Organization: Universite de Liege - Service general d'Informatique Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 15:03:29 +01 From: Andre' PIRARD Message-Id: <94275.150329PIRARD@vm1.ulg.ac.be> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via tn3270 References: <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> <36a8de$pri@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36481e$3bv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>, Philip Wirtz wrote: >I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when >connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris. I can upload, >download, and "transparent print" without problem. When logged on to the >Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS. As an >alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up >through a 7171 protocol emulator. I have no problem using Kermit to >upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to >the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171). However, when >using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot >upload, download or transparent print. Speculatively, it appears that >escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore >to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to The 7171 use a "transparent mode" bypassing ASCII/EBCDIC translation and screen formats to transmit data in half duplex mode during file transfers with VM Kermit, printing with TPRINT and others. VM Kermit reconises the 7171 automagically and uses it that way. A 3270 emulator may or may not recognise the special buffer format it receives from the mainframe when entering transparent mode. If it does not, results are unpredictable. If it does, look into your man tn3270 to see what it does with the data. As I recall vaguely, you might pipe it to your communication line, but I have never tried and I'm uncertain about how replies can be sent back. An alternative might be to instruct VM Kermit not to use transparent mode but normal screen I/O with a SET CONTROLLER command. I understand one should exist for your purpose, but I've never tried it either, sorry. Look into the doc. Beware of ASCII/EBCDIC translation in this case. Andri. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 17:48:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:10:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:10:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:48:16 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 20 Message-Id: <36uot0$ioh@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: :> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? :> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. :> :Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit :5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular :Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce :for announcements. Bravo... I am waiting for the announcement. [the first newsgroup I am going to scan :-) ] -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 18:04:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:32:34 -0400 Control: cancel <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!swl07 From: swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) Subject: cancel Message-Id: <1994Oct5.180439.26290@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:04:39 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <1994Oct4.121921.2752@chemabs.uucp> was cancelled from within trn. -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!slayten # # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 09:18:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:33:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!dcs.gla.ac.uk!brunel!xxxxajh From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 09:18:32 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. >It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If >it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The >proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell >9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players, how are they to obtain the documentation? Is it on the file from ftp? Regards Alan Holmes From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 16:55:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:47:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:47:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:55:52 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 15 Message-Id: <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. > / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM yourselves, as part of the Alpha OSF/1 Freeware stuff? I'd suggest that before asking Timo and Keith to be nice guys that you ought to start asking the people who cut your Freeware CD to obtain written permission from Columbia to distribute. Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. -Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 18:14:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:16:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 16:16:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File sizes and Kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:14:00 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 9 Message-Id: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is there a way around it? Any help would be appreciated.. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:00:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:00:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Date: 5 Oct 1994 21:00:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) writes: > ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that > when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very > different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes > out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between > the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I > will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to > be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is > there a way around it? > Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type binary". The differences between text and binary mode transfer are explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this newsgroup. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:42:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:48:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:48:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052142.AA18367@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:42:07 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: >There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players, >how are they to obtain the documentation? Is it on the file from >ftp? No. That's what this whole discussion is about. You must purchase the Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from free distribution several years ago. This makes it impossible to use all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation. Here is the information on how to purchase the book. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. Keith -- Keith Petersen Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 21:52:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:57:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 18:57:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052152.AA18509@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 21:52:07 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that >are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. >This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still >be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult >situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that >is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this >directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. SimTel's policy is not to maintain a separate collection of limited distribution programs. >Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the >CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM >distribution in the end?). They all agreed to either change their CD-ROM distribution limitations or they gave SimTel special permission to include their programs on our CD-ROMs because they realized that Simtel could not exist without the revenues produced from CD-ROM sales. >Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the documentation is not included. SimTel's policy is not to accept programs which do not include documentation. You will not see MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 22:34:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:05:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:05:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 18:34:56 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: [stuff deleted] :MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the :documentation is not included. SimTel's policy is not to accept :programs which do not include documentation. You will not see :MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes. Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist? With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally, The LaTeX Companion. Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel? What about some of the GNU programs ported to DOS? Their documentation isn't that complete. Hell, gsed only includes the GNU copying.doc file. And gsed --help doesn't give you any form of informative help, so that can't be construed as documentation. Or what about Pmail? Same thing. On-line help, but they still suggest you purchase the manual. In fact, quite a few programs do this. Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? But then again, it seems to be okay for MicroSlop to sell me DOS v6.22 with a flimsy pamphlet, and then expect me to shell out another $39.99 for a manual. Oh well, you win some, you lose some... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 23:32:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:50:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 19:50:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410052332.AA19378@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:32:22 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't >any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says: This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ...... Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 00:40:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 20:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 5 Oct 1994 20:40:31 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 23 Message-Id: <36vh1v$bo8@chopin.udel.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net>, Keith Petersen wrote: :darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :>Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't :>any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? : :The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says: : : This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS : Kermit 3.13. For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", : second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ...... I'm not denying that. But what about all of the other examples that I listed? All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules. So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep them on SimTel until they change their documentation? --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 02:02:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:09:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:09:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!ac608 From: ac608@YFN.YSU.EDU (Chris Madsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 02:02:00 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Message-Id: <36vlqo$ks2@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Sep29.122443.7@scff.chinalake.navy.mil> Reply-To: ac608@yfn.ysu.edu (Chris Madsen) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil () says: >I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The >problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because >of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits >to the application correctly. Did you realize that the default init file for OS/2 swaps the Esc and backquote keys? To get Esc, you have to type backquote (`), and vice versa. To fix this , edit CKERMOD.INI (on your OS/2 system). Search for the two lines: set key \27 \96 ; Swap the Escape and Accent-Grave keys set key \96 \27 ; during CONNECT mode Delete these (or comment them out by putting a semicolon at the beginning of each) and your Esc key should work again. (You use Esc X to send M-X to Emacs, of course.) >Also the arrow keys do not work in the applications. The arrow keys work fine for me. Check the TERM environment variable on the Unix box and make sure it thinks you're a VT100 or similar terminal. BTW, the version is 5A(189), not 1.89 :-) C-Kermit has weird version numbers. -- Chris Madsen ac608@yfn.ysu.edu GEnie: C.MADSEN From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 02:58:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:54:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:53:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!tsltor!louk From: louk@teleride.on.ca (Lou Kates) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd. References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 02:58:22 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware. And various >other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and >so on. Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational >and legal constraints under which we operate. I will only say that I have >not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately, >that I did not already think of myself years ago. Timo hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that you are not likely going to solve the problem until you understand what the problem is. What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than restricting distribution? Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. Lou Kates, louk@teleride.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 04:13:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 00:13:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 00:13:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 and "set send start" Date: 6 Oct 1994 04:13:56 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-Id: <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON). Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2 system: [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58 ?Not in ASCII control range - 58 ?Invalid: set send start 58 (It complains).. I'm in local mode on OS/2 2.99 (Warp II Beta) running over a V42 56/14.4Kbps dialup link to the 6000. Version of C-Kermit is: C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.16. 7 Aug 94 for OS/2 C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(068), 31 Jul 94 C-Kermit functions, 5A(117) 30 Jul 94 Command package 5A(062), 24 Jul 94 User Interface 5A(145), 7 Aug 94 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94 OS/2 CONNECT command 5A(152), 5 Aug 94 Dial Command, 5A(060) 7 Aug 94 Script Command, 5A(022) 7 Aug 93 Network support, 5A(036) 7 Aug 94 OS/2 Network support, 5A(028) 5 Aug 94 OS/2 NetBios support, 5A(008) 22 Jul 94 OS/2 Mouse Support 5A(002), 5 Aug 94 It's probably something that I don't understand properly. When I fire up C-Kermit 190 on the 6000 (in remote mode) the set start command is accepted. C-Kermit 5A(190) ALPHA.02, 10 Apr 94, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>set send start 58 C-Kermit> -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 05:41:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:47:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 01:47:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <9410060541.AA21338@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:41:00 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <9410052332.AA19378@simtel.coast.net> <36vh1v$bo8@chopin.udel.edu> Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >I'm not denying that. But what about all of the other examples that I >listed? All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules. >So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep >them on SimTel until they change their documentation? The other programs you listed are documented in the GNU distribution which is available from SimTel's primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu, and most of its mirrors. Since they are on the same site that meets the criteria. If you find any other programs in the msdos collection which lack documentation please send me a list by e-mail and I will immediately delete them. ^^^^^^^^^ Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 15:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:02:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:02:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 15:12:25 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 39 Message-Id: <36rrcp$79c@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: :As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to :throw caution to the winds and add my comments. And a very good and balanced posting it is. :I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more :and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is :likely to kill the Kermit effort. All resources would have to go to :support and no further development. I'm sure that the Kermit group would This is the fallacy that besets this dilemma. The problem in likely to gradually get worse whether or not CD-ROM distribution is accepted by Columbia. The only difference is that it will get worse just a bit more quickly if CD-ROM distribution is involved. It is not for me to try to dictate what Columbia should do, but I can try to help my friends by pointing out that it is useful them to list all the alternatives dispassionately and consider their pros and cons financially and workloadwise. The problem will not disappear with non-CDROM distribution. It will not disappear if for example SimTel and Garbo CDROMs were allowed. It will not even disappear if and when I shut up. The cause is in the exponential grown of computer users with an interest in products like Kermit. If there is no cost, user demand for free services always finally will exceed the supply, and anyone with a basic economics course will know. There is no suplly-demand equiligbrium at zero price. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:36:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:36:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 25 Message-Id: <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36pipa$jp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :Timo, : Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit :distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that :*is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. Wherever did you get that notion, dear Ken? I am not coercing Frank to do anything he is not willing to do. Economic realities and his limited time (only 24 hours a day) to allocate to give support may, however, do so in the long run. I may be right, I may be wrong, but I predict (I cannot know) that Columbia's solution will not be viable. What I forecast is that they will sooner or later have to find ways to charge for at least part of the support. Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone under fire. Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this discussion? All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 17:44:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:32:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:44:28 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 21 Message-Id: <36s49s$aha@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36r5rk$2bo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves :with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it. It's *not* our :concern. :The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting :blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best. He DOESN'T :want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture. Frank, if you truly feel about this as Ken here assumes, that I have overstepped the line and that I am on your back, I promise to unsubscribe comp.protocols.kermit.misc the very second you ask me to. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 01:23:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:35:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 03:35:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 6 Oct 1994 01:23:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <36vjit$16l@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> <36t5r6$2kl@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <36vjgs$16i@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. s: : [...very interesting argument deleted...] : :This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread :about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem :Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for :you guys, and Kermit. : :Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit :project. Thank you for the very nice posting. I think, however, that I have already about covered all the essential points that I had. For the time being I do not have anything additional to contribute without repeating myself. My compliments for everyone for participating in a constructive manner, which is the way we should always manage to work on the Usenet news. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 08:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:51:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 05:51:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!philapd!apdnews!taren2la.apd.dec.com!groot From: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Date: 6 Oct 94 08:40:51 GMT References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@apd.dec.com Reply-To: groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) Lines: 57 X-Disclaimer: This opinion is mine alone Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) writes: >In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >>Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as >>far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up. >> / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com > >Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM >[...] > >Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. > >-Mike Hello Mike, I don't understand your followup. Two things for comment: 1) I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital does. You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper chanels, not through posting employees of either companies. (Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).) 2) I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties, Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up. I will not follow up on this or discus this any further, it is off topic and I'm nog going to speak for either Digital nor SUN, my suggestions were my own. If you have facts, send them to Columbia, Digital or SUN. Kind Regards, Henk. -- / / de Groot Dep: ALD2 | E-Mail: groot@apd.dec.com /---/ __ __ / Tel: +31 55 432104 | Corp: Digital Equipment Corporation / / (-_ / / /( Loc: FP-B09 | Site: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 11:11:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 07:39:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 07:39:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!thoth.mch.sni.de!fam168!not-for-mail From: Frank Hoffmann Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:11:04 +0100 Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Munich, Germany Lines: 42 Sender: fh@fam168.mch.sni.de Message-Id: <370m08$30j@fam168.mch.sni.de> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: fam168.mch.sni.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu * Sigh * I kept quiet until now, but .... As far as I can see, we're in a deadlock situation here. I have the utmost respect for Timo, Keith, Frank and all the other guys providing the net- community with fine software and great services. Since the quarrel about the CD-ROM distribution has been discussed for quite some time here in the opening and in private between the concerned parties, I would vote to end it now and here. Right now nothing seeems to change anyway and if one or the other changes his/her mind, I believe we all will be notified in this group or the other. If and how the copyright concept affects the Kermit distribution and/or usage everywhere remains to be seen, but I grant Frank the right to see it his way as well as I respect the decisions of Keith and Timo. It is everybodys right to feel unhappy about this. Anyway, I think we have heard the respective views and even if we would like to, we (meaning the bystanders, not the involved parties) cannot change it. So, please, accept the decisions made and even if you can't accept, don't post anymore something like "Waahh, I'm unhappy with this" etc.pp. These are just my very own $.02 Kind regards +frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frank Hoffmann +++ Siemens Nixdorf Germany Voice: +49-894-144-7615 +++ Fx: +49-894-144-7746 Senior network controller +++ System administrator E-Mail: fh.muc@sni-usa.com +++ fh.muc@sni.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 12:51:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:20:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:20:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:51:40 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 34 Message-Id: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist? >With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically >available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to >purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally, >The LaTeX Companion. Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the >DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel? 1. There are no restriction to distribute those program on CD-ROMs. This is the most important part. 2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution. In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution which is claimed to be free. ... >Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't >any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book? I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. Both parties have valid aruments. [Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 01:05:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:49:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:49:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How IS Kermit paid for? Message-Id: <1994Oct5.200554.1099@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 5 Oct 94 20:05:54 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It looks to me as if the brouhaha about Kermit on CDROM & SimTel, &c turns on the question how Kermit is paid for. If it were shareware, CDROM would be welcome because exposure is what brings registrations. If it were a straight commercial program, NO distribution without charge would be permitted. If it were fully subsidized, CDROM &c. would be mostly harmless. Trying to follow the logic of all these exchanges, it finally gets through to me, I have no idea how Kermit is paid for? I think I have been assuming that Columbia picks up the tab, though recalling the tuition they use to charge me (many years ago), I suppose I should have known better. I got MS Kermit 3.13 free from either SimTel or from SIMTEL20, its US Government subsidized predecessor. Should I have paid something? Who has to pay for it? Who does pay for it? How does keeping it off CDROMs help? Frank da Cruz doesn't owe us explanations. He doesn't have to respond to anything on this newsgroup unless he feels like it. The idea of opening it up unmoderated wasn't to shower him with chores. The idea was we could kick around our ideas and problems *without* the Columbia crew having to put time on it. We can even complain and try to explain to each other about Columbia's policies. On the other hand, if he looks into the group and sees postings that make him unhappy --well, we didn't make him look. Now with all that for preface, making no claim of right to an answer, may I suggest it might help if someone would explain how the Kermit operation gets its funds. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:43:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ariel!nicks From: nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Nick Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 6 Oct 1994 23:43:06 +1000 Organization: University of Melbourne Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) writes: >Hello, >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here >who would love to beta test it. >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. >--Bill Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal. I've used it to transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no troubles. ============================================================= = Nick Smith Account Manager - Century Analysis, Inc. = = Specializing in Client-Server Information Integration = = 110 Albert Street, Suite 3 = = East Melbourne, VIC 3002 = = Australia nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au = ============================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:39:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 09:51:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection Date: 6 Oct 1994 07:39:05 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 23 Message-Id: <370ulp$d19@nyx.cs.du.edu> References: <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36kk5l$drh@cleese.apana.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In article <367bso$c1m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <28.335.uupcb@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za> |> andrew.dunstan@aecibbs.proxima.alt.za (Andrew Dunstan) writes: |> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and |> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul |> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs, |> > when all I want to send is a plain CR. |> > |> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854. |> |> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming |> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option, |> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent |> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET |> NVT specification (RFC854). |> > To be fair to the terminal server folks, I had the same problem, but it was because the thing wanted an rlogin connection...(so I spoofed it). -- Kerry From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:29:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:30:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:30:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:29:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3711l6$2p5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: > 2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution > are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but > now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution. > In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution > which is claimed to be free. > This claim has been made repeatedly, but it isn't true. Kermit has better online documentation than most other software, and we have never pulled any of it off our server. For example, the help file whose first couple lines were displayed recently is 74K long, and it is accompanied by an "update" file that is 55K long and a "hints and tips" file that is 134K long. Most people get by just fine using these documentation files, and never bother to consult the printed manuals, as many users have attested. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:36:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:36:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:36:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 and "set send start" Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:36:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37120l$3fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36vti4$3h4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) writes: > I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly > obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON). > > Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2 > system: > [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even > [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58 > ?Not in ASCII control range - 58 > This was fixed subsequent to the Alpha version you are using. Please pick up the final Beta version from host: kermit.columbia.edu directory: kermit/test/bin binary mode, file: cko190.zip - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 15:25:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:25:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:25:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Funding Kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 15:25:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is. It seems we have reached the level at which everyone finally understands that the Kermit effort must be funded. So the debate now hinges on exactly how that is to be accomplished. Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective funding model. How about this one: PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS In other words, put up or shut up. I'm sorry, does that sound rude? Look at it this way. If you agree that everyone who uses Kermit software should pay her/his fair share, then that includes you, personally -- each and every one of you. We already have a funding model, and we ask you to respect it. Most of you do not. If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes in this regard, then you have no business telling us how to run our business. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 13:56:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:48:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:48:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <36r5d2$28f@zippo.uwasa.fi> <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:56:51 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 64 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36s3r9$ae0@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: >In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >:Timo, >: Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit >:distribution? Frank is repeating the same position simply because that >:*is* his position. He is unnecessarily under fire. >Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone >under fire. Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this >discussion? When I listen to Frank, I see a man who is a dreamer and a doer. I've read everything online that I can find about Kermit, over the past few years. In everything that Frank has written about Kermit, I have seen *passion* and *drive*, to make this world a better place through intercommunications. Through Kermit, Frank has managed to get computers hooked together that, previously weren't talking to one another. Implimenting a very simply protocol, with simple mechanisms, with very sound concepts and ideas, and the most backward compatability I have *ever* seen in *any* product - it has never been done before Kermit, and NOTHING of its scope has been done since. Kermit is a specialized product, servicing the needs of people who need to communicate with dissimilar devices, and not the needs of a mass audience. I can't picture a sudden *rush* in the use of Kermit, unless it starts getting distributed in a common medium like CD-ROM. How will the new rush of people that you speak of be getting Kermit? If they're getting it through FTP sites, they will have system administrators and local gurus to help out. If they're getting it in their business usage or university, they have sysadmins and gurus to help out. Local BBS's too, have their gurus. (if nothing else, the person who uploaded the file to the BBS must know *something* about Kermit). People that buy the software with the book have what they need in their hands. But CD-ROM - I'm sorry, but CD-ROMmers are generally lone wolves. BBS's have community. The Internet has community. Businesses and Universities have community. And what does this have to do with my defense of Frank? He sounds like an optimist and a dreamer in everything I've seen him write about Kermit, UNTIL this discussion began. He started to sound defeated... depressed... lonely because the fun... the dream and vision vanishes when under attack. Frank has his policies, and good sound reason for them. He's explained it 100 times here - HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. Thanks for listening. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens listowner of the new weekly Optimism Digest - OPTIMISM@SJUVM.BITNET To subscribe, send e-mail to: LISTSERV@SJUVM.BITNET (SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU) with the message: SUB Y-RIGHTS (or OPTIMISM) Firstname Lastname From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:27:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:55:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:55:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!dove!venus.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Date: 6 OCT 94 14:27:15 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 11 Message-Id: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet has been challenged. Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no explanation of the acronym was given. Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz? Thank you. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 15:12:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:09:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:09:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows Kermit question Date: 6 Oct 1994 11:12:32 -0400 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it was written this way? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Lehigh University Computing Center Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Bethlehem, PA --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 14:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:43:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:43:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:49 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took >the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. >Both parties have valid aruments. > >[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale >be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? >Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] Budi, Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy? He is one man, with a small team of developers - NOT some big company. To top it off, Budi, you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-. There is nothing ruder that I can think of. Outside of trying trash the beauty of Kermit, which exists on hundreds of vastly diverse computer types, allowing the big and the small to talk... the great equalizer which does something networks have not done - something even terminal emulators haven't done. Sure, Zmodem seems faster. But try transferring files from your color computer to your PC. Or from your TOPS-20 to a DECSERVER. How about from an Alpha to a Zenith-100? Only ONE, truly portable protocol. Kermit. Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 16:44:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:38:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:38:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "No Manual, No Support" Date: 06 Oct 1994 16:44:30 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the Kermit manual? 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered to help themselves first? You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 17:51:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:42:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 6 Oct 1994 12:51:55 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 76 Message-Id: <371dfr$qf7@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is. Not at all. I suppose it is absurd to talk when it is obvious that the intended target is making a point of not listening but otherwise it is a decision that affects a lot of people adversely and you should expect them to react accordingly. >Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective >funding model. How about this one: > > PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS How is this different from straight shareware with the manual on the disk, other than being more difficult for everyone involved? I think Russ Nelson was exactly on target when he pointed out that restricting distribution unfairly puts the burden on the people who can least afford it and also reduces the number of people who will use the program. >If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes >in this regard, then you have no business telling us how >to run our business. Come on - what would you say if *any* commercial business made a statement like that? Or non-commercial for that matter? Or even the government? I appreciate the effort that has gone into maintaining the kermit line. However, disagreeing with your distribution policy is an unrelated issue. I have made a bug-fix or two myself and you'll find my name among the hundreds in the C-kermit listing. The fixes were trivial (but necessary for what I wanted to do), but the time to find the problems was not, and I appreciate not having to repeat the process after each release. I have at least three copies of the ms-dos kermit book floating around in my office that came bundled with some commercial software and if the added cost helped fund the improvements that is fine with me. However, it is not a simple issue: the books are always out of date and thus not much help with your actual problems, and the software package that included them has never been popular so you have to wonder if this was in part due to the extra cost of the book. I have no particular financial interest one way or another since I have arranged ftp access (made possible largely by my location...). However I think the world needs a communication protocol that is freely available to everyone and if it isn't going to be kermit, perhaps someone will come up with something else. I think the issue of free vs. non-free access should revolve around whether it is appropriate for the files to be on ftp.uu.net. This site exists specifically to provide access to the internet for people who are not directly connected, and they make a profit from providing this access. They are very good at mirroring files from master locations so there is no issue of out-of-date copies here. The files can, of course, also be ftp'd directly from there at no cost, so there can be no question about them selling anything other than an alternative access method. They also offer the service of putting the entire machine's archives on a tape for you. Again, simply an alternative access method. Plus, they will ftp something specifically for you if they don't normally archive it. And, of course, you can coax a third-party ftpmail server to cough up just about anything through uunet and they'll get the same fee for the recipient's connect time. There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a misrepresentation? Is a distribution service acting as an agent for the recipient and thus able to perform any copy that the recipient could do himself? Why does it make a difference if this agent makes a profit or not? Or if it provides IP connectivity instead of some other media? Like it or not, the decisions on these issues are going to affect the future of kermit usage. I've often wondered why no one has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution. Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable by the people who need such a thing... Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 06:41:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:52:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:52:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 06:41:07 GMT Expires: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way >shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual. >SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer >people have the software completely eludes me. The point that Frank has made several times in this discussion is not only the funding of kermit through book sales, but also the load that is put on the developers to provide support - of all kinds, not only telephone but also email, and others. I would turn your stement around a bit; while it may be true that some more books will be sold because of distribution on various CD-ROM and other media, that will be totally out of proportion to the increase in support demands on Columbia from people who get kermit from these other sources and do *not* buy the book. So the result will be a dramatic increase in workload to provide support at Columbia, with a very small increase in revenue. In fact, I personally believe that the increase in revenue would be virtually nil, because I believe that overwhelming majority of people would never even consider buying or reading the book when they got the software this way. >My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep >you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit >motive. My impression is that Frank and the development group at Columbia have a very difficult job to do with extremely limited resources, and they are trying to keep people from making it a lot more difficult and limiting the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those who have been flaming Frank about this is that they are a typical bunch of net.people looking for chance to be flame someone. They say that one way to feel "bigger" is by standing on someone else. jw From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 18:00:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:54:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 15:54:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!bora-bora.pa.dec.com!flaherty From: flaherty@pa.dec.com (Paul Flaherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 94 18:00:09 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410052142.AA18367@SimTel.Coast.NET> Nntp-Posting-Host: bora-bora.pa.dec.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: >No. That's what this whole discussion is about. You must purchase the >Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from >free distribution several years ago. This makes it impossible to use >all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation. That's a pretty sweeping generalization, and wrong, too. All of the features are documented online, and the more sticky issues are discussed in the .BWR files. And of course, there's always the source code, which provides better documentation than some of the shareware that's out there... The book is really only necessary as a suppliment, or for folks who are totally new to telecomputing. -- -=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum." ->paulf@pa.dec.com | -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 20:23:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:19:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 17:19:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!mjo From: mjo@ecn.uiowa.edu (Mike O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 20:23:27 GMT Organization: HP InterWorks Member Lines: 59 Message-Id: <371mbv$687@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> References: <36ulqo$32u@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: >>Ahhh... DEC. Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM >>Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it. >I don't understand your followup. Call it a bad attempt at humor. I'm just glad to see DEC finally starting to recover, but that's a separate issue entirely. :-) >I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms >or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more >than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital >does. No, of course not -- I wasn't trying to make you out to represent anyone other than yourself. I was suggesting that this problem goes beyond Simtel and Garbo, and that some of the offenders are in your back yard. (Well, at least virtually speaking.) I'm sorry if my point wasn't as spelled out as it could have been. It probably makes more sense in the context of my other messages. >You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there >without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but >I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just >guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw >that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you >have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper >chanels, not through posting employees of either companies. My presumption was based on the fact that Frank had said that there were no deals made with anyone manufacturing CD-ROMs to distribute Kermit on them. Here's the pertinent words from Frank: From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:14:42 GMT Message-ID: <36h302$7qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor. Read on and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already). >(Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).) Of course not -- sorry if it was presented the wrong way. I just don't see the sense in asking Keith and Timo to bend, when they're clearly not the only players involved. >I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties, >Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't >contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant >noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up. There aren't just two parties, and this is going to come up time and time again. Next it'll be the FreeBSD CD-ROM people. Or some other FTP site. I'm certainly not an attorney, and feel free to correct me if I am full of it, but if Kermit doesn't protect its copyright, does it lose it? -Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:02:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:49:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 18:49:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:02:18 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: >Hi, > > I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, >5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function >keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application >that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on >these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" >(ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the >latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it >was written this way? > >Thanks in advance! Dear John, I'm not an official anything in regards to Kermit, outside of official supporter (cheerleading team, so to speak). From what Frank and the Kermit team say, the Windows versions of Kermit aren't supported by the authors or Columbia University. However, they fully support MS-Kermit 3.13 (soon 3.14) in a DOS window under Windows. My suggestion is to (I know it's a pain :-> ) switch to MS-Kermit 3.13, as it's much more robust in features and is supported and updated by the Kermit people :-) (I know little about the Windows Kermit implimentation, so I can't really comment on it, outside of what Kermit representatives have said :-> ) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:51:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:32:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:32:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Useful Kermit Stuff. Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:51:08 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone have any useful Kermit stuff? Scripts, Macros, add-on utilities (such as the GOLD.COM that now comes with MS-Kermit), and the like? Here's something I found out of the archives of the Kermit-Info mailing list, from 1990-sometime. ================>8 cut here and your monitor will surely blow up 8<========== [Somebody asked whether or not it was possible to APPEND using MS-Kermit as you can in other versions. The response from the Editor was a macro!] The software that she uses will produce a voice rendition of the document after she downloads it. [Ed. - You could define a macro to do it, like this: define fatal if defined \%1 echo \%1, stop 1 define append,- if not defined \%1 fatal {Usage: append filename} receive kermit.tmp,- if fail stop 1,- if exist \%1 run copy \%1+kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,- if not exist \%1 copy kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,- if exist \%1 delete \%1,- run rename kermit2.tmp \%1,- delete kermit.tmp Put this macro definition in the user's MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then tell her to use the command: APPEND FILENAME.TXT instead of RECEIVE FILENAME.TXT Anyone have other neat macros, etc. that they'd like to trade? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 23:47:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:12:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!MSIMONDS From: MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Subject: script for redialing Message-Id: <17047EC28S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:47:36 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11. I want to know if anybody has a script file that will make the modem redial? From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 5 06:48:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:14:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:14:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Information display during transfers Message-Id: <1994Oct5.124834.28826@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Oct 94 12:48:33 MDT References: <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibd$n8j@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu>, handel@math.wayne.edu (David Handel) writes: > I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC > (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at > the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information > "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up. ^^^^^^^^^^^------- long in the tooth, I'd say. But it works! > I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during > file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the > transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in > a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information > is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my > procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain? > Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed > information is always displayed? --------- To show the MSK therometer or the digital % done an MSK receiver has to know the file size being sent. File size and time/date information and character set (text) and so on are conveyed in Kermit file attributes packets at the start of each file. Not all Kermits support attributes packets, and hence that info may be missing. The CKermit of 1986 vintage did not have them, nor did the MSK of that vintage. They do today. A file transmitter has this information, locally, and can show the visual teasers. May I warmly recommend upgrading your C Kermit to the current, the current beta as a matter of fact, as discussed on this list. Attributes packets are present. Joe D From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 16:34:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct3.223438.28658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 94 22:34:38 MDT References: <9409300557.AA12036@simtel.coast.net> <36kaa4$lmm@knot.queensu.ca> <36l69c$n71@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET>, w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here. > > Ok, here it is. I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it. > > Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for > individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e., > a site license). If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if > there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000 > per year. > Keith Petersen > General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) > Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu > Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------ Keith, Even though you and I have worked together in small ways for years I have to say this bluntly. Readers are warned this message contains language material not suitable for children. I write MS-DOS Kermit. Just so readers know who's who in this discussion. I put a tremendous effort, and my neck, into this project. I have a say in what goes on here. We discussed the above topic at length privately with you, it was discussed on the list in public, and the suggestion was declined for good reasons. Yet today you first cast stones on decent publications, I will presume only the naive will fall for that one, and then you try to raise a hew and cry in public. I regard both actions as deliberately destructive. I expected better of you. We appreciate and want suggestions and intelligent discussion; this list has had many fine examples of both. Your messages today are neither. You will not pressure me and other volunteers on how to sell our own time and effort. You will not slander our work. Do you read me Mr. Petersen? My appologies to the other readers for having to speak this way in public. Despite what some of the people out there may think, Frank and I and the many other Kermit volunteers hear what you are saying, and we are trying hard to continue a large successful project lasting many years and affecting very large numbers of people. I will now go back to work so the Z-100 version of MSK 3.14 will be ready for beta testing asap. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 4 01:54:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to catch SHIFT-ESC in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct4.075443.28687@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 94 07:54:43 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , groot@apd.dec.com (Henk de Groot) writes: > Hello Kermit users, > > I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with > 21 patches in it. > > We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination > SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am > unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't > make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT. > > Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other > keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can > calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769) > but > > set key \852 hello > > works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but > > set key \769 hello > > doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC! > > When redefining the ESC key itself by > > set key \27 hello > > also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work > either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but > that's not a problem for us at this moment). > > Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product > KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something > running under DOS however!) --------- Henk, I added that this morning to MSK v3.14 beta. Esc are now distinguishable. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 3 04:31:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:19:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:19:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands? Message-Id: <1994Oct3.103100.28574@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 94 10:31:00 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find > docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server. > > It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a > command "S". > > I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand > "S". Am I right? > > Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names > (numbers?). > > I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that > because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another > program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources! ---------- I see no problem using the sources to decipher the protocol, but of course the particular implementation sources remain copyright. It's up to you to play the game properly. Common sense suggests reading the spec updates, as Frank indicated, and then running against Columbia Kermits for verification tests. The LOG PACKET facility in Columbia Kermits shows packets going in both directions for a little reverse engineering information if that's needed. The specs are open to everyone, free of charge. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 04:49:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel Message-Id: <17043A660.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu Date: Sun, 02 Oct 94 11:49:44 PDT References: <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net> <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Mt. San Antonio College Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3699u3$fe9@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > >In article <9409270646.kp1130@simtel.coast.net>, >Keith Petersen wrote: >>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia >>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > >Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on >a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely? > >Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com Isn't that a contradiction in terms? a program that is supposed to be _FREE_ yet was being put in a package that was sold for a _profit_. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 2 02:59:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Oct 94 08:59:25 MDT References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: > One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with > NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. > > Where can I find this? > > Joel cnt@mcs.com ------------ We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 07:05:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:21:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:20:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Oct 94 13:05:54 MDT References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: > Hi, > > I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, > 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function > keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application > that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on > these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" > (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the > latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it > was written this way? ---------- The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these factors and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows (it works well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding and people to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and full, but we don't have either at the moment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 08:49:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:22:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "No Manual, No Support" Message-Id: <1994Oct6.144957.28961@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Oct 94 14:49:56 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the > Kermit manual? > > 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. > 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered > to help themselves first? > > You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send > in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, > if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. -------- That may be your way of dealing with people, but it's not mine nor that of the other Kermit project members. What am I supposed to do if a person askes me a Kermit question, as they do all day every day? Say "I don't exist, please visit a book store?" Sure, right. How about asking a Kermit question of anyone at all remotely associated with the project (and there are a great many such people)? Oh, I forgot, they don't exist either. Maybe, just perhaps, the "project" includes folks who just make suggestions or interesting critisisms in an arena such as this, and we include parts in the programs. Hmmm. On the other hand, maybe our intention is to actually help people, through the programs and giving moderate assistance about the programs to the limits of our resources. We're obviously not out to become millionaires, so there must be other reasons, such as the preceeding sentence, which cause us to keep at this day after day, year after year. Hmmm, again. As others have said recently, the fun is over, all views have been expressed multiple times, intelligent people have thought about them and voiced opinions, good ideas have been filed away for further reflection and consideration by all concerned (and we do have some good ones), the decisions have been made (some years ago, interestingly). Please let the topic fade away. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 02:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:02:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:02:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!insosf1.infonet.net!mcrware.microware.com!jejones From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 02:38:35 GMT Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 20 Message-Id: <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> References: <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: snake.microware.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by >people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? I hope not. Were I Frank, I'd be sorely tempted to pull a John Galt. The matter's been rehashed until the particles are about to tobacco mosaic virus size :-); I agree with those who have urged dropping the matter. (I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of *Using C Kermit*. My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi- open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.) James Jones Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 22:31:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:09:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:09:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!usenet From: zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Documentation Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:31:17 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 2 Message-Id: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsb.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a manual. How do I get a copy of it? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 19:46:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:19:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:19:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:46:12 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET>, Keith Petersen (w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET) wrote: >SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST >include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be >rejected because it does not include documentation. Um, I wouldn't go that far, Keith, to say that MS-Kermit doesn't include documentation. I'm no computer professional by any stretch of anyone's imagination, and was relatively new to computer communications, but I was able to set Kermit up on my system (I started with v.3.12), remap my keyboard for 3270 functions (to communicate with an IBM 370 through a 7171), optimize file transfers (including control char unprefixing when I got my Unix account), and figure out the script programming language well enough to write my own login scripts, all from the help files included with Columbia's MS-Kermit distribution. I don't know whether or not the documentation that comes with the distribution is to be considered "complete," but I've ftp'd packages from SimTel and other ftp sites that weren't as well documented as MS-Kermit. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 20:17:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:40:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:40:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:17:09 GMT Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uj2q$q1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36u3k7$nne@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, >Ruei-wun Tu wrote: >>Hello, >> Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function? I also try to >> write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the >> line is idol. I am trying this because everytime I try to get a >> larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line >> will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing >> any key on my keyboard. >> >> Please E-mail me your responses. Thank you in advance... >> >> Rueiwun Tu >C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro. MS-Kermit also comes with dialer scripts; I suspect this person is concerned about having the script on a PC to automate dial-up connections to his/her Unix account. >As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's. I would suggest >using the HASH mode for ftp's. This will generate a # mark for every X >bytes transfered. This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon >only monitors incoming characters. Probably it does. Besides, activating a script in Kermit means leaving terminal emulation mode, which is probably not a good idea while you're in the middle of an ftp session. You're better off to just hit the space bar. Or better yet, get batchftp for your Unix account, which will run your ftp sessions in the background for you, while you're reading news or doing something else more interesting. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 03:12:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 04:23:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 04:23:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!jhuber From: jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Subject: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:12:26 GMT Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've read the comparison by Frank da Cruz that gives benchmarks of ckermit vs. other file transfer protocols. That comparison shows that ckermit can do about 1600 cps over a 14.4kbps modem for compressed files, which is just as good as Zmodem. For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and 5A(190) for the HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets, multiple windows, large buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure what flow control is the best for the HP end. I've noticed that the packet length rarely gets above 2000 during transfers, and that I rarely use more than one window. Any ideas? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 09:54:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:54:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 05:54:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.chalmers.se!ce.chalmers.se!olovsson From: olovsson@ce.chalmers.se (Tomas Olovsson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 7 Oct 1994 09:54:27 GMT Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Dept. of Comp. Eng., Gothenburg, Sweden Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3735sj$rl8@nyheter.chalmers.se> References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: olovsson@ce.chalmers.se Nntp-Posting-Host: triffid.ce.chalmers.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Nick Smith) writes: |> bill@medicus.com (Bill Chinn) writes: |> |> >Hello, |> |> >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to |> >Windows/NT? |> |> >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here |> >who would love to beta test it. |> |> >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support |> >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit. |> |> >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this |> >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get. |> >--Bill |> |> Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal. I've used it to |> transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no |> troubles. I've tried this a couple of times too, but the throughput seems to be about 25% of what you get when using MS-DOS kermit under NT!! I have a ZyXEL modem, which connects at 19200 baud. It uses a 57600 baud serial line (with a 16550 uart) and the throughput with Kermit is normally just above 2kByte/sec. Actually, 25% might be to give too much credit to the terminal program. Look at your modem lights and you will find that the modem is idle most of the time (or am I the only person who experience this???) Also, the Terminal program is almost useless even as a terminal emulator. I normally connect to a Unix host and the scrolling "feature" in the terminal always gets confused when ANSI escape sequences for cursor motion arrives... But Kermit handles this fine. -- Tomas _______________________________________________________________________________ ___ _ Dept of Computer Engineering | _ ,___ _ _ | | | _ _ _ _ ,_ Chalmers Univ of Technology | |_| | | | |_\ _> |_| |_ |_| \/ _> _> |_| | | S-412 96 Gothenburg, SWEDEN ___________________________________________________olovsson@ce.chalmers.se_____ From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 10:17:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 06:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 06:54:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!dcs.gla.ac.uk!brunel!xxxxajh From: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:17:47 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: >In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to > spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you > advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us > money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would > include the universities, government agencies, research institute, > hospitals, convents, and orphanages. > Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. >Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the >distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government >agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to >be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the impression that distribution was already free to this list and indeed anyone who has access to the email system. Regards Alan Holmes From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 6 22:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 07:20:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 07:20:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 6 Oct 1994 22:23:09 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 38 Message-Id: <371tcd$q41@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :>I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took :>the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book. :>Both parties have valid aruments. :> :>[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale :>be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ? :>Wow, for sure I am going to write a book] :Budi, :Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy? He is one man, with a :small team of developers - NOT some big company. To top it off, Budi, :you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-. There is nothing :ruder that I can think of. Am I treating him like a bad guy ? Not at all. He has my respect. I am being frank (no pun intended :-) and don't want to beat around the bush. We can have different opinions but still respect each other. ... :Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by :people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? You are not the only one. I also see kermit as a beautiful thing. On top of that, their MS-Kermit has ***THE BEST*** vt100 emulation I have ever tried. Nobody (including commercial programs that I have bought) beats them. there ... so you know my position. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:22:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:23:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:22:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:22:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <373ej0$60l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: > For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files > using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within > kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and > 5A(190) for the HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets, > multiple windows, large buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on > the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure what flow control is the best for the HP > end. I've noticed that the packet length rarely gets above 2000 during > transfers, and that I rarely use more than one window. > As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not to prefix most control characters, since by default (for safety) it prefixes all of them. You can read about this in the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(189) or 5A(190). You can also increase your packet size up to 9024, but, oddly enough, there is not always a direct linear relationship between packet length and performance. Each connection has its own unique combination of packet length and window size. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:26:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:26:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:26:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 160 Message-Id: <373epb$677@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mariusz Zydyk) writes: > It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a > manual. How do I get a copy of it? > The manuals are all that most people ever need. When you have problems that are not covered in the documentation, there are the supplemental online files covering the minutiae of particular problems. When that doesn't help, that's what we are here for. The most efficient use of everybody's time is ensured by this approach. First look in the manual. If you don't find it there, look in the online help, hints-and-tips, and update files. If you still need help, contact us. Here is our current list of publications: KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:31:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:10:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:10:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <36hv50$kgn@news.icaen.uiowa.edu> <9410010116.AA24289@SimTel.Coast.NET> <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:31:17 GMT Expires: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Look again. MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank. Well, *that* is certainly a pertinent piece of information in this discussion. When all else fails, I suppose the best thing to do is just obfuscate. >You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to >agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel. That is NOT the >case. SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST >include documentation. If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be >rejected because it does not include documentation. Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely enough. But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before; in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an explanation". The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia that had caused it to be removed. When all else fails, obfuscate. jw From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:12:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:39:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!sas!mozart.unx.sas.com!newshost!sasdrq From: sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) Subject: reading the screen in kermit Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:12:59 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: gamecock.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the screen so the "INPUT" command might not work. Am I missing something already in 3.14? Thanks. -- R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. sasdrq@unx.sas.com SAS Campus Drive, R4138 (919)677-8000 x6284 Cary, NC 27513-2414 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:28:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:41:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:41:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!tipper.oit.unc.edu!ewt From: ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:28:55 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 29 Message-Id: <373lv7$j12@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> References: <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36rnho$1kj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tipper.oit.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Henk de Groot wrote: >Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that >are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM. >This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still >be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult >situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that >is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this >directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM. Do you realize how many anonymous ftp sites there are on internet? Do you understand how many of those carry kermit? Do you know how easy it is to find kermit on internet (try archie)? Why are people complainging so much that it was removed from two ftp sites. Plenty of major ftp sites still carry it and it's not hard to get. Columbia has *no* plands on removing it from ftp, they just feel that they have the right to control further distribution so they don't drown in the flood of support requests that would ovvur from a large increase in users. Get kermit, use kermit, and stop worrying that you won't be able to find it. The net doesn't revolve around simtel and garbo. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Like a fool I let dreams become great expectations" - Chess Erik Troan = ewt@sunsite.unc.edu = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:52:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:19:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:18:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Date: 7 Oct 1994 10:52:41 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 23 Message-Id: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Quattlebaum wrote: : Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain : row,col location? ... : : Thanks. : : R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. ... : I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to display the current line and character position of the cursor in the status area on the bottom line of the screen. As that line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able to choose what items to display, and where? Of course, this should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*) -- Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 13:40:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:02:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:02:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:51 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >> >> Where can I find this? >> >> Joel cnt@mcs.com >------------ > We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the >file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. > Joe D. While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone was asking about earlier). A lot of is is available at kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only really need MS-Kermit? :-) ) Ken From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:04:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:06:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 12:06:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:04:08 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > = James Jones >(I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of >*Using C Kermit*. My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi- >open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.) Now *that's* a good idea! I haven't send my money order in for MS-Kermit manual yet, but I will within the next few days. I *love* the hard cover ringbound manuals - they're hard to find. -------------------------------------------- **** Hey Frank, Joe and others on the Kermit team **** ____________________________________________ Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and such) for $10 more each? Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! I fully expect Kermit to be around for a long long time to come. It's so darned simple (as a protocol), and yet does so much! Ken From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 04:40:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:39:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.104045.29099@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 10:40:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com (David Quattlebaum) writes: > Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain > row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a > way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. > > When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the > screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the > screen so the "INPUT" command might not work. > > Am I missing something already in 3.14? --------- Connect mode is a mode, unrelated to things we can say at the Kermit prompt. Script commands run at the Kermit prompt and not in Connect mode. They are indeed modes, much different beasts in the code. Many comms programs sit in terminal emulation mode all the time, and overlay file transfer screens. MS-DOS Kermit is not designed that way. Thus, your scripts can check for a character string, but not for a formatted screen characteristic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 04:59:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 13:40:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 10:59:34 MDT References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu>, sigurd@chopin.udel.edu (Sigurd Andersen) writes: > In article , > David Quattlebaum wrote: > > : Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain > : row,col location? ... > : > : Thanks. > : > : R. David Quattlebaum SAS Institute Inc. ... > : > > I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to > display the current line and character position of the cursor > in the status area on the bottom line of the screen. As that > line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able > to choose what items to display, and where? Of course, this > should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*) > > -- > Sigurd Andersen Internet: sigurd@strauss.udel.edu User Services > __o or Sigurd.Andersen@MVS.udel.edu 023 Smith Hall > _ \<,_ Univ. of Delaware > (_)/ (_) Ph: (302) 831-1992 Fax: 831-4205 Newark, DE. 19716 ----------- Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered with." But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have such features. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 05:29:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:41:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:41:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 11:29:08 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me. To outsiders the discussion seems like a full powered attack on Kermits and the Kermit Project policies. I see it differently. Over 90% of the messages are from very thoughtful people trying to sort out choices and alternatives, with the aim of improving matters. Not all messages are this way but the vast majority are. The insight and tenor of most messages is professional and experienced. I am impressed and, after time to recover good humor, pleased. I've learned things even if I don't agree with all points. Most of us realize that while Kermit programs and policies are the focus of discussion the real targets are the far more numerous programs and authors and distribution companies. The element of dramatically increasing scales of use and distribution make the problem very difficult to quantify and solve. Providing help to that vast user population, under circumstances of very tight financial and personnel resources, is the most difficult part, whether programs be commercial or free. The problem of copyright adherence is emphasized. These issues will be faced by many people and companies, and our discussion should be of distinct benefit when their turn comes. Thus let me take this small breathing space to express my appreciation to the many contributors for their time and effort to help all of us understand the situation, and maybe even find longer term solutions. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 16:27:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:01:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Kermit-lovers unite! Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:27:34 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host. I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:29:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:33:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:33:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:29:50 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those Rubbish. But since you imagine to know so well please advice how does one set up a publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the additional time an motivation needed. Develop a product of your own, and you'll see the Columbia's side of things. Maintain an FTP site and you'll see SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. I happen to have done both. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 06:50:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:42:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:42:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit Message-Id: <1994Oct7.125014.29124@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 12:50:13 MDT References: <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com> <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > In article <1994Oct2.085926.28459@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <36jr4b$hlk@Venus.mcs.com>, cnt@MCS.COM (Center / NT) writes: >>> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with >>> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters. >>> >>> Where can I find this? >>> >>> Joel cnt@mcs.com >>------------ >> We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the >>file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers. >> Joe D. > > > While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of > interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone > was asking about earlier). A lot of is is available at > kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for > what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only > really need MS-Kermit? :-) ) ------------- My ftp servers are designed and built to take the load. They also service a goodly chunk of the NetWare community and I doubt that you guys will make much of a dent in the traffic stats. Feel free to raid and plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:32:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:58:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:32:20 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3747o4$2ug@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3747je$2sl@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:41:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:03:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:03:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 7 Oct 1994 19:41:30 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 30 Message-Id: <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much of my spare time. Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the Columbia's side of things. Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. I happen to have done both so don't you "completely bogus" me mister. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 16:34:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:11:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 16:11:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 07 Oct 1994 16:34:36 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: nicks@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU's message of 6 Oct 1994 23:43:06 +1000 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >Windows/NT? I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Take the pledge! No votes for Ollie North supporters! NO POND SCUM! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 17:46:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:43:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:43:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utzoo!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Message-Id: Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:46:00 GMT Lines: 78 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36uibk$p1s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs. The >question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without >killing the Kermit effort? I'm not asking any of you to answer this >question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment >that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds >need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met. As long as we must pay >or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it. Maybe, then, I'm misreading what "the Kermit effort" entails. As a purely developmental effort, the nature of Kermit's distribution should be of no concern. What has surprised me in this thread is the revelation that Columbia actually offers help-desk-style support for Kermit. This, frankly, amazes me. I don't understand why "support" need be any more than a part-time task perusing the Internet and/or a BBS-type system (whose number is built into the default Kermit dialing directory :-). That person would accept bug fixes and reply to other questions with a polite RTFM. This might have the added effect of giving people more reason to buy the book(s). I would suggest that anything more than minimal Kermit support by Columbia is a waste of funds. The software is mature enough that user-driven support (such as this newsgroup!) will suffice for most questions, just as it does for current users of GNU and Linux software. Your effort, Frank, in creating an unmoderated Kermit group, should significantly reduce the load on Columbia directly. Postings to the formerly-moderated group that once had to be dealt with by your team can now be dealt with by that big blob of Usenet. People want support beyond that? Buy the books. People want handholding beyond that? Allow third party efforts to support Kermit to those who are willing to pay. Maybe less revenue for Columbia, but far fewer headaches as well. I'm not directly affected by the CD prohibition, but I see why a seemingly insignificant issue like discrimination based on distribution media would get under people's skin. It seems so arbitrary. I like the idea of a Columbia-produced CD as was suggested elsewhere. Its capacity would allow you to put just about every known architecture implementation of Kermit on a single CD-ROM, which might solve a number of problems. But let's take the idea further... How about this? Consolidate all the current English-language documentation into a single volume, and bundle in this book a CD-ROM with all current Kermit implementations (as well as electronic versions of the docs). Offer it for distribution through *software* channels, not book channels (ie, Merisel rather than Waldenbooks). Priced reasonably, it would sell alongside all of the other CD-ROM releases in computer stores; and it would sell well, even with users knowing they could get the stuff free from elsewhere. Look at the boom in sales of CD-ROMs which only contain shareware and freeware; people know they can get the stuff free, but are willing to pay for convenience, virus-free media, and documentation. From a publishing level, I'm sure the folks at O'Reilly and Prime Time Software would be able to help you with such a CD/book project if Digital Press won't. Note that because it's a book, the current publication isn't on display in software areas; software and books are currently sold in very different ways. Sold as a software CD-ROM, as software rather than a book, I suggest sales would go up dramatically. I've been lurking on this discussion for a while, waiting for someone else to suggest this. To me it seems almost obvious. What am I missing? -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:08:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:05:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:05:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:08:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com writes: >>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >>Windows/NT? > >I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native >Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor >do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it >working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks >at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). >-- Tom, maybe this is something that I'm confused about but... I thought that you would take the original C-Kermit code and simply compile it under Windows-NT. Well, make changes for the file system and for the port assignments... but shouldn't it mostly take care of itself? Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code? :-> (I really no little about C beyond "Hello, world!") Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 21:19:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 18:36:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 7 Oct 1994 21:19:38 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <374e1a$kb6@news.halcyon.com> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >>The GNU project doesn't >>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely > >Oh, really? Are you sure about this? I've seen several statements, from >several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the >distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from >others, because the money from this is important funding for us". Sounds >like a very similar situation to me. But this is different -- it is a plea to the purchasers to help support ongoing development. It is not a demand. If one finds a distribution with desirable value-added and one still wants to support the Gnu project then one can just send a monetary donation to the FSF. But in a sense you're right: the do _care_, but they don't control (and explicitly avoid controlling) distribution. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 20:31:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:47 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:31:23 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a >performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The >Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects >so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also >the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would >indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate >even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered >with." > But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have >such features. > Joe D. There is another option. While displaying the cursor position isn't practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions. Personally, I just scrollback to the part I want to remember, and while I'm sitting at the screen, type the command/filename/whatever while on that screen, using the first time it said it as a visual reminder. But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen. One I believe came with Qmodem 4.0 a few years ago. It was very small, but it did work. There is also (in my archives but I'm not likely to be able to find it for a while!) a program running around that allows you to use the mouse to cut/paste text info. from an MS-DOS screen. While positioning the cursor over the text, press the left button to highlight. To stop highlighting, let go of the button. Then you click on the right mouse button to paste it. I'll keep my eyes peeled for it. There are some folks that would probably find that a useful item in Kermit :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 11:05:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:13:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:12:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <1994Oct7.170533.29142@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 17:05:32 MDT References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: >>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to >>Windows/NT? > > I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native > Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor > do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it > working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks > at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-). > -- Tom, People such as yourself should contact Frank da Cruz at Columbia, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, about your plans so there is minimal expenditure of effort and that matters can stay coordinated. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 00:54:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:01:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:01:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Message-Id: <1994Oct7.205443.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing References: Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 00:54:43 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host. > > I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely > ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers > pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. > > KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around > sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) > Yeah, and you'd have to put up with lots of people joining, thinking it's a Muppets fan list. Terrif :) From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 12:34:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 21:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <1994Oct7.183428.29152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 94 18:34:27 MDT References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > :the resources even further. My impression of the people who are involved > :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable; > :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive > :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other" > :is completely bogus, in my opinion. My impression of the rest of those > > Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a > publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically > mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements > with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the > additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much > of my spare time. I think part of this came out wrong. It's not mirroring per se which we are discussing, but rather what's sold to the CDROM vendors for pressing. I understand mirroring issues since I run a fair sized one myself (official Novell mirror) and I too have to pick and choose which subdirectories are to be exposed and which not. From my own experience in the ftp business I have classes of directories where items are treated differently (got to, my legal agreement requires it). It's not that big of a deal. I also vet each third party file arriving at my place, virus scan it, read the docs, verify that the file can be reposted, and so on. I reject not a few, but not based on extent if any or eloquence of English prose. Timo has much more than I do, but I still have a bunch to deal with. Btw, both Timo and I earn our living holding real jobs as Prof types, not by running archive sites. I think we have been suggesting that some programs live in a directory area which is not melted into plastic. That can be done by either adding a new branch on your ftp server tree (and I understand what that means) and/or clipping out selected subdirectories during the disk to tape making process for the CDROM vendor. How easy that is depends on the operating system, etc, but I can't seeing it being a major undertaking. Locating the files which need to be moved is another matter, but that's part of the business. This rather repeats the obvious so I won't elaborate further. And please don't read this as directions on how to run an ftp site; it's just my own experience being related. > Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the > Columbia's side of things. Yes. > Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see > SimTel's and Garbo's side of things. Ditto. It's not easy being a major ftp site. But to be one there are these admin details with which we are stuck. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 22:27:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!deathstar.cris.com!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again Message-Id: <9410072227.AA19072@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 22:27:32 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <9410041547.AA29857@SimTel.Coast.NET> Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: >Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely >enough. But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before; >in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed >from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >explanation". The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the >ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia >that had caused it to be removed. When all else fails, obfuscate. You haven't been reading the postings in this discussion closely enough. You are wrong when you say I did not explain why. I DID, and yes it WAS because of the restrictive distribution policy of Columbia that MS-Kermit was removed. Here is the original announcement: > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:02:46 EDT > From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) > Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel > > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit. > > SimTel's policy is: > > Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs > offered by several vendors. If the program submitted should not > be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution, > it will not be accepted. > > Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit: > > Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City > of New York. The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared > without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained, > except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software > product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with > commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to > their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of > Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University. > > Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs > and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright > have been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm). > > Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel. > The e-mail address is: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 08:07:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:30:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:30:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:07:10 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36v463$48j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> zydyk@cpsc.ucalgary.ca >(Mariusz Zydyk) writes: >> ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that >> when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very >> different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes >> out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between >> the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I >> will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to >> be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is >> there a way around it? >> >Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type >binary". The differences between text and binary mode transfer are >explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this >newsgroup. True enough, but in brief: In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF) characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF) to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file will be one character larger than your Unix file. If you use text mode to transfer binary files from Unix to your PC, a CR will be added before every LF in the file, and you'll have a corrupted file on your PC. Set file type binary stops Kermit from making these changes; the received file on your PC will be the same size as the one on your Unix account. You can quickly check the integrity of your downloaded zipfile by escaping back to the MS-Kermit> prompt and doing 'run pkunzip -t zipfile'. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 06:04:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 02:03:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 02:03:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 7 Oct 1994 23:04:55 -0700 Lines: 83 Message-Id: <375cq7$nd@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <371dfr$qf7@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a >misrepresentation? Is a distribution service acting as an agent for >the recipient ... Why does it make a difference if this agent makes >a profit or not? ... I've often wondered why no one >has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit >communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution. >Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable >by the people who need such a thing... Les has an important point here. It is part of ''the legal issue''. Because Kermit is not completely free, most modems are packaged, not with Kermit, but with an invariably crude program instead. Such programs are obviously made on the cheap, because they are just an add-on to the modem. Most are using zmodem, perhaps that's easier to program from scratch, or the source is public domain, or it is easier to license (I don't know). I strongly believe that this is a factor to the BBS systems preferring zmodem over Kermit protocol. If Kermit were truly free, it would be bundled with many more modems than today. It would save the modem vendors the cost of developing their own version. Kermit would be more popular with the mainstream BBS users. BBS's would install better Kermit versions, using the original source code, yielding in fewer bugs. I did hear Frank say something like Kermit is not for the masses. I don't agree (meaning I still respect the opinion of others). I think it is a waste of resources to reinvent the wheel, like modem vendors have to do today. Kermit with some appropriate scripts (like the current dial scripts!) is very easy to use. If most BBS communications are easy enough that they can be handled with telix/procomm etc, i.e., 8 bits, short delays, hardware handshaking, etc, then one script would fit all those situations. Only if Kermit is truly free, without tricky restrictions based on such criteria as ''for profit'' (in my opinion a very ambiguous criterion), it can have it's maximum effect. That is easing communication between as many computers as possible, and eliminating reinvention of Kermit. The economic aspects must be resolved, of course. 1) Nobody will be able to make exorbitant profits of Kermit, because it is free. Competitors will prevent this through the market mechanism. 2) If Columbia gets swamped by support questions and has no resources to handle those, Columbia should stop answering some users. Columbia has no obligation to provide support. It should only support those it has an interest in, and so many as it can affort (at the most). 3) If Columbia has to refuse helping some users, it could refer them to this list or to other volunteers. I happen to have no plans to contribute any code to the Kermit project, but may be able to provide some user support as an alternative contribution. Others may choose to donate some money. This way, more people than just those genius hackers can contribute to this wonderful Kermit project (no exageration, I mean it). 4) If, as Frank fears, indeed huge numbers of users will beleage the Kermit team with questions, I foresee businesses opening up to address that market. Contrary to Franks opinion, I find this desirable. It will stimulate the economy. Provide employment. The public gets the benefit of using a REAL protocol/terminal emulator, instead of those makeshift products currently bundled with most modems. 5) Properly organized, voluntary donations (without legal-sounding requirements as with shareware) can generate considerable funds. That's how public radio/television does it. GNU. LPF. The Red Cross. The TeX user group. (Is there a Kermit user group???) With this posting I hoped to add a few new ideas (and to reiterate not too many old ones). In no way I mean to say that Columbia SHOULD do anything, only that it COULD consider this. Other people will have even better ideas to solve the REAL problem, which is not distributing Kermit on CDs to the masses, but to decide WHICH activities to fund in WHAT way. My own hope is that sometime C-Kermit will evolve to an even more modular package allowing a greater amount of code reuse. I have ideas for a program that combines fax, voice mail, terminal emulation, callerid logging, in short: all thinkable phone functions. Wouldn't it be nice if I could reuse large parts of Kermit, instead of having to rewrite lots of low-level COM port code? With a well-organized and well-funded Kermit project, the hopes of this are much higher. POPULAR KERMIT---CODE REUSE---BETTER WORLD Thanks for reading all this, Roland Kwee From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 20:21:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:33:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 03:33:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Date: 7 Oct 1994 20:21:41 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 15 Message-Id: <374akl$cdo@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: :I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely :ADORE Kermit! Why don't you propose the creation of comp.protocols.kermit.advocacy ? I would vote yes... It is a bit difficult, though. Since many people have been brainwashed by the zmodem-cult :-) Maybe under the alt hierarchy is easier to create the newsgroup. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 06:43:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 06:43:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:10:24 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >Rahardjo) writes: >> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. >> >Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit >5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular >Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce >for announcements. > >- Frank Where is this protocol addition documented? (Those of us writing our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage of this.) - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 19:34:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 07:32:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 07:32:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:34:54 GMT Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: > For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files > using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within > kermit, I can get 1600cps. I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and > Here's a quick comparison that may help nail down the difference. Try enabling `escape control characters' in your ZModem transfer and compare the speed there. If that slows down ZModem to match your Kermit speed, then the difference is that Kermit escapes all control characters, while ZModem's default is more optimistic. Basically, Kermit's default is conservative, and ZModem's defaults are optimistic. Thus, Kermit's defaults allow it to work in situations that ZModem won't, but make it slower under nice conditions. Properly configured, the two are pretty much equivalent, speedwise. For comparison, the common ZModem default settings correspond roughly to the following Kermit settings: block check: 3 (a) packet size: 1024 window size: large (b) (c) control characters escaped: 1, 16, 17, 19 (d) Notes: a) ZModem actually uses a 32-bit CRC instead of Kermit's 16-bit CRC. For a variety of reasons, they're roughly equivalent. (ZModem needs a more robust CRC because it lacks other error checks that Kermit does use.) b) Some ZModem implementations use the file on disk as a buffer, which allows the window to be as large as the file. c) ZModem typically collapses to a 1-packet window after each error, then goes back to a large window after the error is corrected. Kermit doesn't usually need to do this because of it's more sophisticated windowing strategy. (Thus, Kermit is often faster than ZModem when errors do occur.) d) Actually, ZModem escapes 24 instead of 1, but the reason for that doesn't apply to Kermit, so Kermit doesn't need 24, but typically does need 1. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 14:40:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:43:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 10:43:01 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:40:29 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals > (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and > such) for $10 more each? > > Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. > > > I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound > edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) > > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when > new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! > A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs seems to be the new thing. It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking through an index?) From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 18:29:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:31:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 14:31:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:29:35 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 31 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <376oef$dvv@knot.queensu.ca> References: <36h490$9hc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37489a$30f@zippo.uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: |> |> ... please advice how does one set up a |> publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically |> mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements |> with the CDROM producers. Please also advice where do I find the |> additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much |> of my spare time. |> 1. I don't see how mirroring is a problem. It is completely ok to have Kermit on an ftp site. 2. When you first mentioned you had neither the time nor motivation to treat Kermit as a special case I wondered, but did not ask, "Could Kermit's special status be accomplished by setting group permissions?" I admit that I am completely ignorant of garbo, I do not even know if it is on a Unix host. And I agree that you have every right not to spend your time coming up with a special approach to include Kermit on your ftp site and not on your CD-ROM distribution. But I wonder if there might not be a simple solution to the problem if you were willing to look for it. The answer that you've got better ways to spend your time is valid. Mind you, if it is as easy as setting group permissions then you can't really blame people for saying that your position wrt Kermit is "completely bogus". -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 19:21:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:22:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:21:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:21:54 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 43 Message-Id: <376rgi$8p4@Venus.mcs.com> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense >discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me. I'm glad to hear that. I don't want anything I have said to be taken as a criticism of the quality of the work that has gone into kermit or the intentions of the people doing it. But, times have changed and perhaps the distribution policies have to adapt to continue to serve the intent. One thing that I think would help would be to offer licensing for commercial use of either the full program or parts of the code with an up-front pricing scheme less than it would cost anyone to re-invent it. This would have several advantages besides generating some income. There would be fewer "bad" implementations around to reduce the support problems about interoperation. People who need hand-holding could be encouraged to use one of the commercial products from companies prepared to provide it. Companies who want to hide a fully scripted communications module inside a larger product would be able to use kermit (giving the end user a book is kind of silly in this scenario). And, you might even get back some improvements to the code from commercial developers. MS-kermit does some nifty network stuff in addition to the communication protocol. The same thing could be done in this area to make the code reusable for both free and commercial products. For example I put together a version of GNUtar for DOS that speaks rsh/rexec to a unix host using the WATTCP library. I'd love to be able to do approximately the same over netbios between two DOS machines or use ODI drivers without a packet driver shim like kermit does. However, it is pretty clear that it is impossible to combine anything with the GNU and Columbia copyrights in the same package, free or not (doing it with WATTCP is fuzzy enough). Personally, even though I like free software and source availability, I think that being available, supported and affordable is more important than being free. If it is impossible to keep up with the demands for updates and support in a free product, maybe it is time to split the line into free and commercial versions and let the user make the choice. This makes more sense to me than making people pay on the basis of whether or not they have access to electronic distribution facilities or their intended use of the product. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 19:47:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:47:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 8 Oct 1994 14:47:31 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 28 Message-Id: <376t0j$ab4@Venus.mcs.com> References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >>The GNU project doesn't >>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely > >Oh, really? Are you sure about this? I've seen several statements, from >several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the >distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from >others, because the money from this is important funding for us". Sounds >like a very similar situation to me. Not at all. The GNU folks explicitly allow and encourage redistribution of the original copy by any means, free or commercial. They are simply suggesting that if you are going to pay someone for your copy it might as well be them. However I'm not all that fond of the GNU copyleft either once the code reaches production quality and is useful to end users. The GPL requires that the source be distributed along with binaries with only a couple of specific exceptions. Dos/windows users seldom even have compilers so it is kind of silly to require them to have source code. With FTP and CDROM distribution this isn't much of a problem, but with the more common BBS and floppy disk distributions in the dos world it is an extra burden. I'm not against making the source available somewhere, but I don't see much reason to require distribution to people who don't want it (and yes, I understand the exceptions...). Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 07:38:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:13:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.133843.29200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 13:38:43 MDT References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kientzle@netcom.com writes: > In article <36ue90$k4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi >>Rahardjo) writes: >>> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >>> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. >>> >>Not only is there a plan, it's done. Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit >>5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular >>Kermit implementations soon thereafter. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce >>for announcements. >> >>- Frank > > Where is this protocol addition documented? (Those of us writing > our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage > of this.) --------- Protocol extension docs usually end up in directory kermit/e on kermit.columbia.edu. Since the crash recovery item has yet to be hammered on in public (we have to get MSK 3.14 out) I think Frank is hanging back on the matter until any gotcha's are resolved. That's just a guess on my part. I'm sure he could ship you the current draft if you ask him. Before your program can take advantage of the feature the rest of the protocol needs to be implemented, particularly file attributes packets. If you have gotten that far then fine, else the preliminary work needs completion. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 21:45:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:48:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 16:48:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!meissner From: meissner@osf.org (Michael Meissner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 07 Oct 1994 21:45:47 GMT Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 70 Message-Id: References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasta.osf.org In-Reply-To: jeffb@world.std.com's message of Tue, 4 Oct 1994 04:42:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: | More reasonable distribution. NOT just Internet FTP. The GNU project doesn't | CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely | (they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source | is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable | handling and media charges) available. Actually the same has come up in the GNU area too (though not as publically). The following will be in the GCC 2.6.1 documentation (and presumably other GNU software documentation as well). Note the points about using distributers that contribute money back to create new software. When the flood of CD distributions sprung up, the FSF's funding shrank, to the extent that they had to lay off one or more people. File: gcc.info, Node: Funding, Next: Look and Feel, Prev: Contributors, Up: Top Funding Free Software ********************* If you want to have more free software a few years from now, it makes sense for you to help encourage people to contribute funds for its development. The most effective approach known is to encourage commercial redistributors to donate. Users of free software systems can boost the pace of development by encouraging for-a-fee distributors to donate part of their selling price to free software developers--the Free Software Foundation, and others. The way to convince distributors to do this is to demand it and expect it from them. So when you compare distributors, judge them partly by how much they give to free software development. Show distributors they must compete to be the one who gives the most. To make this approach work, you must insist on numbers that you can compare, such as, "We will donate ten dollars to the Frobnitz project for each disk sold." Don't be satisfied with a vague promise, such as "A portion of the profits are donated," since it doesn't give a basis for comparison. Even a precise fraction "of the profits from this disk" is not very meaningful, since creative accounting and unrelated business decisions can greatly alter what fraction of the sales price counts as profit. If the price you pay is $50, ten percent of the profit is probably less than a dollar; it might be a few cents, or nothing at all. Some redistributors do development work themselves. This is useful too; but to keep everyone honest, you need to inquire how much they do, and what kind. Some kinds of development make much more long-term difference than others. For example, maintaining a separate version of a program contributes very little; maintaining the standard version of a program for the whole community contributes much. Easy new ports contribute little, since someone else would surely do them; difficult ports such as adding a new CPU to the GNU C compiler contribute more; major new features or packages contribute the most. By establishing the idea that supporting further development is "the proper thing to do" when distributing free software for a fee, we can assure a steady flow of resources into making more free software. Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Verbatim copying and redistribution of this section is permitted without royalty; alteration is not permitted. -- Michael Meissner email: meissner@osf.org phone: 617-621-8861 Open Software Foundation, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, 02142 Old hackers never die, their bugs just increase. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 17:51:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:18:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:18:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!news.dfn.de!kfk.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!darum.uni-mannheim.de!mips.ruessel.sub.org!not-for-mail From: naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org (Christian Weisgerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation Date: 8 Oct 1994 18:51:26 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <376m6u$ltn@mips.ruessel.sub.org> References: <371trl$i1j@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> <373epb$677@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: naddy@mips.lu.pfalz.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mips.ruessel.sub.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With all the recent talk and flaming about distribution policies and funding... > Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital > Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN > 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from > Columbia University or from Digital Press. How much does Columbia University actually get of the DEM 101.80 (~$63) I paid for my copy? -- Christian 'naddy' Weisgerber, Germany naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org / naddy@mips.lu.pfalz.de "I am Lefty of Borg. Prepare to be assim... OOH! PIZZA!" --Lefty From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:20:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:20:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:10:24 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 84 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is what we have now come to. I must have expressed myself very thoughlessly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. However, I want set one thing straight publicly in the open when I start getting this kind of feedback. There is not one single cent that I have ever earned from Garbo's operations. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discsussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:21:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:21:46 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3772ha$j9f@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3771s0$j7h@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:29:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:29:02 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 87 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I have little to add except that there is not a single cent that I earn from Garbo's operations. I fact I am personally way in the red in Garbo operations since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please don't make me out like some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discsussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:43:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:43:46 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3773qi$jcr@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3772uu$j9k@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:49:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:51:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:49:41 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 88 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I wish to say, however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback starts to be like this. There is not one single cent that I have ever personally earned from Garbo's operations. In fact I am personally way in the red in maitaining Garbo, since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please don't take me as some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:00:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:51:44 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37749g$jg6@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <37745l$jeo@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 21:55:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:01:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 18:01:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit distribution discussion, an apology Date: 8 Oct 1994 21:55:35 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 90 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. My apologies for that. I wish to say, however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback starts to be like this. There is not one single cent that I have ever personally earned from Garbo's operations. In fact I am personally way in the red in maintaining Garbo, since I pay my not negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own pocket. I've done this out of interest in what I do. Please, don't take me as some kind of a profiteering leech. All the best, Timo :-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 :-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) :-To: ts@uwasa.fi :-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution : :> Jamie, : :Have we met before? Do I know you from somewhere? I think not, and in :polite society one does not presume to address another by first name :without being invited to do so. : :> so far this has been a genuine discussion. : :There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion. :You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others. :Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that. Fine. But :when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove :the software from your on-line distribution. You constantly trumpet the :fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered :to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and :provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author :requires. Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely :trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort. Fine, :but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and :don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person :you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service. : :> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like. : :How very generous of you. : :> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations. : :Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some :people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are :conducting. : :> It has been a difficult issue. Starting a fight with such sniping is :> not going to make it any easier. : :Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed :to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult. :Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on :your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit :group became too large, and they finally had to shut down. Who would :have profited from this? You, and the others selling the software. :Who would have lost? Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and :all the people who want to see it continue. I believe very strongly :that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is :absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some :money. : :Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that :I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software, :on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe, :since Version 11 Release 1. What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too. :No charge. No payment. The only requirement is that I get back the same :number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the :tapes every release. The mailing costs have been paid partially by my :employers, and partially out of my own pocket. The time and work to make :the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all :been donated by myself and my wife. I have averages something over 150 :tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still :making the same offer for R6. So please, don't tell me what a wonderful :saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and :then sell them for $20 each. : :If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the :best you can at it. If it requires a little extra effort on your part :to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make :the effort. If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the :decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts :of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the :public good. : :jw From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 22:38:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 19:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 19:40:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:38:57 GMT Expires: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by >people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"? No, you certainly aren't. I stayed out of this discussion for a long time, because it seemed to be progressing rationally. People complained about not being able to put Kermit on CD-ROM. Frank explained why that was not going to be allowed. But then the same people complained about the reason it was not to be allowed, and things went downhill from there. Now we have reached the point where a several people are simply repeatedly posting messages that say "Frank, I like you, and I respect you, but I really don't understand why you would be so stupid as to stick to what you believe in and have been saying all along, rather than changing your mind and doing what I want you to do." However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get around them." I absolutely can't imagine *anyone* having the gall to say something like this. How would the people who say this like to conduct a public discussion of their day to day decisions, so that anyone and everyone can second-guess, criticise or simply dump on the people who have to make these decisions? It seems to me that a large part of the problem for both sides here is that they are unwilling to allow a precedent to be set. Frank is not willing to allow the precedent of Kermit being distributed on CD-ROM, because he believes that it will dramatically increase the support load without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. Consider the potential consequences of each side of this. If Kermit were to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit group. Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case, eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to get it. On the other hand, if Kermit is not allowed on CD-ROMs, some unknown number of people will not stumble across it by accident, and so may never become Kermit users. But the simple fact is, anyone who knows that kermit exists and wants to get a copy will still be able to do that. Either electronically, or from Columia by mail order, or from somewhere else. I simply don't believe that there will be anyone, anywhere, who will end up saying "gee, I would really like to get a copy of Kermit, but it is not on the XXYYZ CD-ROM, so I can't get it". jw From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:38:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 8 Oct 1994 19:38:52 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jamie Watson wrote: >However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people >start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial >restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get >around them." Guess I missed that one. What I saw was more like people asking what exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them. Even if that means many people will be unable to use kermit or even remain unaware that it exists, or only know about it from the commercial copies. >Those who operate Internet >archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to >allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from >the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to >make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. It is actually pretty much irrelevant how many internet sites keep a copy of kermit. If you have access to any ftp archive you can just as easily reach them all, including Columbia's. The people without ftp access are the ones affected here. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 01:01:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:01:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 01:01:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 11 Message-Id: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to hardware, not BIOS. Any other ideas? --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:22:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:46:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 21:46:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!ames!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:22:41 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Quattlebaum (sasdrq@gamecock.unx.sas.com) wrote: >Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain >row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a >way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13. I may be missing something, but my observation is that when you run a script in MS-Kermit, you're taken out of terminal emulation mode and put in command mode. In command mode, whatever comes in through the serial port is simply read as a stream of characters (including the escape sequences that would format your screen if you were in terminal mode), and is not interpreted into rows and columns. Input commands simply read this stream for a character string match. It's possible that the ID or whatever it is you want to detect can be differentiated from the same string elsewhere on your screen because it is preceeded or followed by escape sequences. You can determine whether or not it is by turning on session logging, which records the actual stream of characters that goes through your serial port, and not just what you see on the screen during terminal emulation. You could then put an input command in your script that includes these escape sequences, using backslash codes for control characters (eg. \27 for escape). Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 00:09:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17064 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 22:23:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!jhuber From: jhuber@metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)? Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:09:05 GMT References: <373ej0$60l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is >because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the >additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not >to prefix most control characters Yes, this is the "solution". I tried prefixing only 0, 1, and 129 a couple of day ago and got numerous lockups with file transfer. For the hec of it, I tried it again and it worked like a charm. I later found out that my internet provider was having a server problem which was causing the lockups, not the prefixing I was doing in kermit. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 14:59:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:12:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:12:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 20:59:50 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use > Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > > What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to > hardware, not BIOS. > > Any other ideas? ------------ No other ideas. If you are asking about whys then I can say that MSK has a heck of a lot more work to do for each screen character than simpler programs. That's going to start showing when the cpu is the weakest link in the chain, and maybe that's the case on your XT. I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will stop here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 03:51:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Oct 1994 23:51:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 03:51:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 21 Message-Id: <377pbp$fkq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the |operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will |stop here. A valiant try, appreciated. I'll try to give more information. I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log into Columbia University's Unix server. One place the difference in screen updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE. Ctrl-K-H in JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen. I'm using Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc. In Kermit, it's quite fast, too, but clearly not as fast. As I wrote in my original post, I've set both programs to write to the screen directly. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 15:13:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:12:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 00:12:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Oct 94 21:13:37 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use > Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > > What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to > hardware, not BIOS. ------- Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0" argument to SET TERM COLOR. Say SET TERM COLOR ? to see the syntax. Notice that this affects screen updates as well as screen scrolls, with the latter being the slowest operation of the video system. Many programs (er, programmers) today forget (never new about) about snow occuring on older computers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 05:05:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 01:05:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 01:05:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 9 Oct 1994 05:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 12 Message-Id: <377tmj$jhu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.211337.29231@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA |display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA |adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0" I've checked for that, but I thought the 'turn-off-snow-suppression' code was 10, not 0. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 02:38:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 05:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 05:45:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question Message-Id: <1994Oct8.063846.6883@ais.com> Date: 8 Oct 94 06:38:45 EDT References: <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct6.130554.28949@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <371450$18ou@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes: >> I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3, >> 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function >> keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application >> that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on >> these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break" >> (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the >> latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it >> was written this way? > ---------- > The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers > than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when > it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these > factors and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows > (it works well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding > and people to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and > full, but we don't have either at the moment. > Joe D. At one point I did a little hacking on the Windows version of Kermit to add some features to it that a customer wanted. The reasons for the choice of that program are not relevant to this discussion (they needed the Chinese character set, for one thing, which is not possible with the MS-DOS version of Kermit, and they did not need many of the other features of the mainline Kermit package). The choice of F5 as break is because that's what VT terminals use as a break key. Many of them don't allow you to remap the F5 key to anything else, unfortunately. There's no good reason for a Windows program to have the same restriction, and more modern VT terminals do allow you to remap the key anyway, so it should have allowed it. However it's still not nice of the remote application to require the use of the F5 key since some VT terminals cannot generate this sequence. But as Joe says, the Windows version of Kermit has a number of limitations that the MS-DOS version does not have. It's not difficult to get the sources to Windows Kermit, so you could always modify it yourself to add that to it. I might even be persuaded to do it for you for the right price :). But if you want something to work out of the box, MS-DOS Kermit is usually a better choice. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 13:21:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:31:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 09:31:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 13:21:57 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 29 Message-Id: <378qpl$t55@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <36v9mg$t22@chopin.udel.edu> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: ... :Consider the potential consequences of each side of this. If Kermit were :to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there :is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit :group. Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case, :eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to :get it. I am sorry if I am rehashing it again, but I don't buy the argument. Are you sure if Columbia pull the plug, Kermit will die ? (I don't think so) Does Kermit really depend *that much* on Columbia's support ? If it is true that Kermit will die if Coulmbia pull the plug, then not many people want to use it since it is not stable and really depends on Columbia (who knows what the administrator will do. cuts... cuts.. cuts). Let's stick to one point: Columbia's Kermit team does not want anybody selling their work without permission. This is valid and reasonable. Has any CD-vendor approached any of you guys ? How difficult is it to get the permission ? I want to hear the CD-vendor side of the story too. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 17:06:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:12:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 13:12:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!math.fu-berlin.de!drunivac.drew.edu!pcoen From: pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) Subject: OpenVMS and crash recovery Message-Id: <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Nntp-Posting-Host: drunivac.drew.edu Organization: Drew University Academic Computing Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:06:11 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on download? After all, if after stopping a download, I log into a Unix system and cd to the NFS-mounted drive from the VMS system, I can use C-Kermit to resume the download, and it works fine. The only difference is that the Multinet NFS server on the VMS system translates the file into Stream-LF when it passes the data over to the Unix system. I can think of a few problems this could cause, but if it were a feature that could be enabled or disabled, that would dodge that issue. I could be missing something here, like it's a lot harder than I'm thinking it should be, but it seems like something that works most of the time on binaries (especially zipfiles, which are generally are already stream-lf anyway) could be done. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 19:33:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:33:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-) Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:33:12 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <36ou5m$5ou@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <36phpb$i9b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <376t0j$ab4@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bolognese.mit.edu In-Reply-To: les@MCS.COM's message of 8 Oct 1994 14:47:31 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re-read the GNU copyleft. I just examined the one with EMACS. If you offer to send free copies of the source code for the next 3 years, commercial providers don't have to include it. I'm uncertain whether ftp sites count as sending free copies, but I'll bet you could find a way. An 8mm exabyte with the full GNU source tree only costs about $20 in media, so sending a few of them to customers who ask could easily be an incidental expense rather than a burdensome problem. Even putting emacs source and gzip on floppies would only cost about $5 in media. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 7 14:12:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 17:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!mathias From: mathias@unicorn.swi.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "No Manual, No Support" Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:12:43 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 37 Message-Id: <373l0r$rd7@raffles.technet.sg> References: Reply-To: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg Nntp-Posting-Host: unicorn.swi.com.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In () Russell Nelson (nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com) wrote: | Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the | Kermit manual? | 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit. | 2) It's reasonable. Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered | to help themselves first? Now *that's* an idea. Put a card into the book, to register for service. People can either fill it in right when they buy kermit (and thus get some *bonus* points or so, or when they need service, which will take until the card reaches Columbia, gets processed etc. Very reasonable scheme, I love it !! Only you'd have to make sure the book is available everywhere, or there was a good mail-order shop for it. I haven't seen many copies here in Singapore, but then I haven't actively looked.. cheers | You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send | in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized. Then, | if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it. | -- | -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html | Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key | 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? | Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. -- Mathias Koerber Tel: +65 / 778 00 66 x 29 SW International Systems Pte Ltd Fax: +65 / 777 94 01 14 Science Park Drive #04-01 The Maxwell e-mail: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg S'pore 0511 MK War isn't fought to decide who's right, but who is left - ?? many of you advocate, then everybody | who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become | an outlaw. That would include the universities, government agencies, | research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages. | Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. | - Frank -- Mathias Koerber Tel: +65 / 778 00 66 x 29 SW International Systems Pte Ltd Fax: +65 / 777 94 01 14 Science Park Drive #04-01 The Maxwell e-mail: Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg S'pore 0511 MK Rene Descartes said "I don't think so," and he vanished. --?? From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 21:51:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:01:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 21:51:36 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 29 Message-Id: <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet :archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to :allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from :the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to :make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows an unmistakenly derogatory untertone with an obvious primary goal to disparage divergent views. It loses so much of the weight of the superficially even rationally appearing arguments. Fortunately, with the unequivocal exception Mr Watson, and marginally one other participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the rule in comtemplating the various aspects of the dilemma discussed. I particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their civility in explaining their stance both on and off the news about the views and analysis put forward of yours truly. I wish we all could have reached the same level. It is time to go. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:39:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:41:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:41:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:39:47 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379rfj$4t5@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379ol8$4l0@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:45:09 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379rpl$4uu@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379rnh$4us@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:49:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 18:50:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Control: cancel <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:49:59 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 1 Message-Id: <379s2n$4v6@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <1994Oct7.112908.29112@cc.usu.edu> <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <379rve$4v2@zippo.uwasa.fi> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 22:51:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 22:51:59 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 30 Message-Id: <379s6f$50m@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: :without a corresponding increase in revenue. Those who operate Internet :archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to :allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from :the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to :make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so. In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows an unmistakably derogatory undertone with an obvious primary goal to disparage the divergent views. It loses so much of the weight of the superficially even rational-appearing arguments. Fortunately, with the unequivocal exception of Mr Watson, and marginally maybe one other participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the rule in contemplating the various aspects of the difficult dilemma discussed. In particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their civility in explaining their stance both on and off the news about the views and analysis put forward of yours truly. I wish we all could have reached the same level. Time to go. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 23:09:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:06:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:06:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!eisner!youdelman From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Date: 9 Oct 94 18:09:29 -0500 References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> Organization: DECUServe Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Ken Udut writes: > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > print a nice binder? Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 23:38:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 19:40:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Date: 9 Oct 1994 19:38:02 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <379usq$avt@pilot.njin.net> References: <9410032252.AA21717@SimTel.Coast.NET> <36q981$lof@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu louk@teleride.on.ca (Lou Kates) >What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which >you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support >or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than >restricting distribution? >Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand >these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. Columbia University is a large university in an especially litigious area of this country. There is no way that a normal person (and certainly not a computer person) could understand the forces at work. The fact that Kermit is in any way freely distributable is quite amazing. We've heard Frank at Columbia say that there's nothing he can do right now. He is not an idiot. He understands the issues. We've heard many valid arguments for doing things differently, but LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY. Give it a rest. -- Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@itc.org 802-453-2457 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 9 11:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 20:14:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct9.174340.29273@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 94 17:43:40 MDT References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct8.104029.1@drunivac.drew.edu>, pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) writes: > In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >> >> Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals >> (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and >> such) for $10 more each? >> >> Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one. >> >> >> I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound >> edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard! :-) >> >> Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and >> print a nice binder? *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when >> new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written! >> > A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM > uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs > seems to be the new thing. > > It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first > few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking > through an index?) ----------- All very nice ideas. May I suggest you contact the publisher and explain your suggestions and why you think they would be important. It's the publisher who makes those decisions in the end. And while you have their attention ask what they are doing to put copies in more bookstores. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 03:23:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:30:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Oct 1994 23:30:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Date: 9 Oct 1994 23:23:52 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party programs, to nifty scripts, etc... Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.cns.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 03:56:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 00:03:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 00:03:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 03:56:54 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: >I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. > >What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >hardware, not BIOS. > >Any other ideas? >--- _________________________________ o ______________________________ > Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for > Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New > Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all > Try: SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 before starting Kermit. If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your Kermit invocation. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 02:52:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 03:10:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 03:10:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: On fdc's long reply to ts Message-Id: <1994Oct9.215221.1107@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 9 Oct 94 21:52:21 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to express appreciation for Frank de Cruz's long reply to Timo. That's the letter I've been hoping for. Finally, he's given us a glimpse of the way Kermit is paid for and how the Columbia people see the shape of the market for computing. That makes it possible to see that there may be some sense in the way Kermit is being handled. The sad thing about this long exchange is that Frank's been defending what nobody attacks: his or Columbia's *rignt* to offer Kermit on the terms they do. The question's been the wisdom of it. Possibly, I'm slow. It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 12:33:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:44:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ankh.iia.org!iia.org!not-for-mail From: andersr@iia.org (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite! Date: 10 Oct 1994 08:33:23 -0400 Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 51 Message-Id: References: Reply-To: andersr@iia.org Nntp-Posting-Host: iia.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely > ADORE Kermit! That's the biggest problem with newsgroups. Complainers > pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say. > > KERMIT-LVRS :-> Quite tempting, in fact! Too much negativity around > sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-) > > Ken > kudut@ritz.mordor.com After a temporary brain freeze I finally got my off-line news-reader to show me the c.p.k.* groups. I was sad to see how much discussion there was about the down side of Kermit. (If buying a manual to help fund the Kermit effort, development and support, is a down side.) Being the defacto, if not official, support person for Kermit for our area and doing a brief stint of answering questions nationally I can appreciate the Kermit Development (and Support) Team's position. I found over 90% of the questions I get could be answered by looking in the index and reading two to five pages in "Using MS-Kermit". I personally purchased "Using C-Kermit" and had my employer purchase "Using MS-Kermit". Our SysAdmin bought three copies of "Using C-Kermit" so there is always a copy lying around to use. The big problem is most people want a knowledge transplant and are reluctant to `Read-the-Book'. But that is another soap box that can be stood on later. A decision was made to go with Kermit on our PCs for terminal emulation since the Data General DASHER 463 and 470 support was added. Otherwise the terminal emulation package Data General supplied was $200US at first and now down to about $35 but buggy as all hell if your hardware wasn't what is thought it should be. On the other hand I have yet to find an IBM (MS-DOS) compatible that Kermit wouldn't run on out of the box. And there are some real strange combinations floating around at work. Since I seem to be running on a bit I'll get to my point. Kermit is one of those applications software support people dream of, IMHO! It transfers files over some of the worst communications lines without breaking them, runs on most every platform you could want, and is FREELY AVAILABLE. Rod Anderson ====================================================================== Nope, this don't necessarily represent my employer's views and I have even been known to tick them off. Hell, I'm not even going to tell you who I work for. ;-) ====================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:47:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:47:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 09:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <37bgln$j5g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have > gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I > know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, ... > Right. This can be implemented in Kermit programs that actually have a terminal emulator. C-Kermit in UNIX, VMS, etc, do not include terminal emulators, but rather a connection to whatever you are using on your desktop as a terminal or emulator -- e.g. your workstation's terminal window. Of course, the OS/2 version of C-Kermit *does* including a terminal emulator, with rollback, key mapping, etc, so this does not apply to OS/2 C-Kermit. > ... but my > question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a > feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party > programs, to nifty scripts, etc... > This is an increasingly common question. A similar question is "How do I use the F keys, arrow keys, etc, with C-Kermit?" The answer will be different for each particular system / console driver / terminal window program. In general, the information will be found in the manual for your desktop system. In many cases, workstation terminal windows include scroll bars -- e.g. "terminal" or "Stuart" on the NeXT -- and their own key maps, which you can customize -- e.g. xterm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:14:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:14:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OpenVMS and crash recovery Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:14:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <37bi7d$l1e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct9.130611.1@drunivac.drew.edu> pcoen@drunivac.drew.edu (Paul R. Coen) writes: > Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version > of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on > download? > It is my fervent hope that we can get crash recovery added to the VMS version asap. We are working on it now, but it is not definite. There is no easy solution, because we use -- and must use -- the RMS file system and its numerous facilities to handle the many and varied VMS file types, and this entails all sorts of issues involving "blocks", internal buffers, etc. We have an idea about how to do it, and the proof will be in the pudding. But no, it's not as easy as using C-library calls. That's what the *old* VMS C-Kermit (version 4 era) used to do, and it was entirely unstatisfactory. Let's keep our fingers crossed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 02:06:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:15:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:15:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct10.080603.29320@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 08:06:02 MDT References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: > >>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >>Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. >> >>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >>hardware, not BIOS. >> >>Any other ideas? > > Try: > > SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 > > before starting Kermit. > > If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your > Kermit invocation. ------------- Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer. But thanks for assisting. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:42:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:42:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, Michael DeCosta III wrote: |SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 | |before starting Kermit. I'll try it (I'm at school right now), but I'm curious; what does it do? I don't recall seeing it in the help file. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:42:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:42:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Control: cancel <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:42:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <37bjta$nct@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <37bjsp$ncf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> was cancelled from within trn. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 14:26:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: US Army's closure of SIMTEL20 (was On fdc's long reply to ts) Message-Id: <9410101426.AA29125@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 14:26:15 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <1994Oct9.215221.1107@newton.hartwick.edu> Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu wisanr@newton.hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: >Possibly, I'm slow. It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand >how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20. Please tell me what that means. You haven't lost anything, other than one program (Kermit) out of over 11,000 that are in the collection. You can still get Kermit from Columbia, so you haven't lost it either. The reason the US Army closed SIMTEL20 was because it had a poor funding model (does that sound familiar?). I had to find a new home for the collection and a new job to support my family. There were many offers to house the collection but only two to house the collection *and* to hire its archivist (me). Both offers were from sites that use the funding model of CD-ROM sales to support the collection and its archivist. Keith -- Keith Petersen General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 8 20:40:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:45:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Funding Kermit Date: 9 Oct 1994 06:10:55 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <37704n$mvl@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3714tt$7hu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS ...and lobby your local university bookstore to keep them in stock! PS Frank and Joe, the Australian number for the publishers should be written as +61 2 XXX XXXX. The extra zero before the two gets you Hobart, Tasmania, instead of Sydney, New South Wales. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 04:09:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:49:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 11:49:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit CD ROM? Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:39:37 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37aeq1$8ji@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <36lhti$cp0@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael DeCosta III (am856@yfn.ysu.edu) wrote: : Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this, : but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities, : scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator? Sounds good and very logical. It would save on buying tapes, and if updated with major releases (e.g. C-Kermit 5A 190) would save on FTPing. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 16:53:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 13:02:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 13:02:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: changing IRQ's Date: 10 Oct 1994 16:53:29 -0000 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 6 Message-Id: <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.delphi.com Keywords: IRQ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. thanks for any help From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 18:47:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:31:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:31:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!seunet!news2.swip.net!seunet!kullmar!bk From: bk@kullmar.se (Bo Kullmar) Subject: Re: Crash recovery ? Message-Id: <1994Oct10.184727.18890@kullmar.se> Organization: ABC-Klubben References: <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:47:27 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <36ua84$b7p@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes: >Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol? >This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem. It is supported in C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA. You have to enable it with a command and it is only for binary files. The Kermit people don't like the automatic recovery funktion that is used in Zmodem. I belive that this function is comming in MS-DOS Kermit as well. --Bo Kullmar From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 19:25:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:57:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:57:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:25:08 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37c4ek$ado@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Oct8.205950.29229@cc.usu.edu> <377pbp$fkq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yee Chang Lee wrote: >I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log >into Columbia University's Unix server. One place the difference in screen >updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE. Ctrl-K-H in >JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen. I'm using >Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below >the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc. One more suggestion to solve the problem: Maybe you setenv TERM vt100 in your unix account when you use Telix and vt320 when you use MS-Kermit? Make sure you set the same TERM type in both cases! If the termcap entry for vt320 is not optimal, your editor may have to redraw the whole page instead of just moving a part of screen to make room. -Petri From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 07:42:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 16:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Message-Id: <1994Oct10.134205.29366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 13:42:05 MDT References: <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com>, beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) writes: > can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. > i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. > thanks for any help ------------ In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive help available instantly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 21:01:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usr1.primenet.com!jew From: jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:01:53 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run under Windows. Here's my net stack: \LSL.COM C:\3C5X9.COM lh ipxodi netx C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 21:04:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:10:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usr1.primenet.com!jew From: jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover Date: 10 Oct 1994 21:04:17 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows. I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit to use the port. I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc. Any ideas? Procomm Plus for Windows works fine. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 08:25:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:23:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 17:23:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for FAQ maintainer Message-Id: <1994Oct10.142556.29376@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 14:25:56 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Now that the regulars have snuggled down in their chairs and the lengthy greeting ceremonies seem to be drawing to an end I think it's time for someone to consider being a Keeper of the FAQ for the list. Most common query to-date is how to get max speed at max vulnerablity. Other c.q.s are running on non-standard serial port settings, where to find Kermits, what's this fine manual stuff anyway. Prospective c.q.s are how to add settings for the next wave of cute modems, binary versus text modes, reporting which Kermit and version on each end, version numbers of the most widely used Kermits. There! I've done my part. Any volunteers keeping notes and willing to maintain a FAQ? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 22:45:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:55:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:55:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 10 Oct 1994 22:45:57 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article <1994Oct10.134205.29366@cc.usu.edu> you wrote: : In article <37bri9$iml@news.delphi.com>, beckere@news.delphi.com (BECKERE@DELPHI.COM) writes: : > can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11. : > i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2. : > thanks for any help : ------------ : In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command : SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive : help available instantly. : Joe D. I just helped my brother to setup a new modem. We did this all day to find a way to get it to work. Its: set com4
\2 Where address is the COM4 address. You have to read your computer manual to find it. MSK guesses ours at \x02f8 or \x02e8. But, ours can also be \x03e8 and \x03f8. set com2 \x2f8 \3 works for us. -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 18:52:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:56:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 18:56:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!chapman From: chapman@acf2.nyu.edu (chapman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac Kermit "capture" Date: 10 Oct 1994 18:52:54 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu called Print Captured Text... Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented? - Gary Chapman, NYU From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 00:10:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 20:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit "capture" Date: 11 Oct 1994 00:10:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <37cl5d$b42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37c2i6$14r@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> chapman@acf2.nyu.edu (chapman) writes: > There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu > called > > Print Captured Text... > > Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented? > The only kind of printing currently supported by Mac Kermit is host-directed printing, which occurs when the host sends VT100 "printer on" and "printer off" sequences. Thus the print menu is normally dimmed. When the host sends: ESC [ 5 i (or) ESC [ ? 5 i -- Turn on printer ...text... ESC [ 4 i (or) ESC [ ? 4 i -- Turn off printer The text between these two sequences is put into the "capture buffer". When the turn-off-printer sequence is received, the Print menu items become undimmed and you can print the captured text. There is a limit of about 32K on the size of this text. This type of printing is normally accomplished with a utility on the computer that you have connected with Mac Kermit, such a "pcprint" UNIX shell script. NOTE: As of edit 190, the Print menus have changed somewhat, but the operation is substantially the same. When transparent print material arrives, a box appears on the screen saying "Capturing text to be printed", and when the transparent print operation is complete, the "Print captured text" menu item is activated. There is a new "Print..." item which is undimmed at all times, but apparently does not do anything. Reportedly, host directed printing works better in 0.99(190) than in earlier edits, but the print buffer is never cleared. Hopefully, future releases of Mac Kermit will have additional printing capabilities: print screen, print selection, log session to printer, etc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 01:45:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 21:45:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 21:45:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 11 Oct 1994 01:45:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37cqoj$huf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Close, but not quite... Keywords: IRQs SETTING MS-KERMIT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe the \2 in the "set com4
\2" works, but the exact syntax doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be: set com4 \x2e8 2 2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch settings to be sure. - Max +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Distribution Columbia University - AcIS evarts@CUNIXF.BITNET From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:15:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host Message-Id: <1994Oct10.191513.29419@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 19:15:12 MDT References: <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ca41$46l@news.primenet.com>, jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) writes: > I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run > under Windows. Here's my net stack: > > \LSL.COM > C:\3C5X9.COM > lh ipxodi > netx > C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM > C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE > > What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc. ------------- Let's walk through this to see what is happening, and then your options will be clear. You are using Novell's ODI to manage the board. That's LSL followed by the board ODI driver (MLID in ODI-speak). That forms the ODI handler. IPXODI comes in as one ODI client, and then ODIPKT from FTP Inc comes in as a second ODI client. So far so good. Netx uses IPXODI so we are not concerned with it here. ETHDRV is FTP Inc's TCP/IP stack, and here is where the complication begins. If you try to run Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack (SET PORT TCP/IP) then you would be trying to load a second TCP/IP stack in parallel with the first. That is fatal. Don't do it. So now, what to do constructively? Plan A: run Kermit on the top of Ethdrv, by using FTP Inc Telnet module TNGLASS. See your FTP Inc documentation. For Kermit use SET PORT BIOS1 to couple to the Int 14h interface provided by Tnglass. A sample command line would be similar to tnglass -hhost.domain -c1 -ekermit.exe which specfies the host, Bios port 1 for comms, and executes Kermit.exe to be the terminal emulator. Plan B: unload both Ethdrv and Odipkt. Then run Kermit straight over ODI. Use Kermit command SET PORT TCP/IP ... in this case. Of the two, the second is far faster and permits multiple Telnet sessions. Choose the method which best suits your requirements. Note that FTP Inc's ODIPKT uses ARP protocol for copy protection detection and Kermit won't be able to use it and hence won't be able to do TCP/IP work. Harvard's ODIPKT will work with both Ethdrv and Kermit, though Kermit needs it and winpkt only when running in Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 10 13:23:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Oct 1994 22:13:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover Message-Id: <1994Oct10.192333.29420@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 94 19:23:32 MDT References: <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37ca8h$46l@news.primenet.com>, jew@usr1.primenet.com (James Ward) writes: > I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows. > I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit > to use the port. I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc. Any ideas? > > Procomm Plus for Windows works fine. -------------- There is a misunderstanding about what SET PORT COM3 does in Kermit. It means go straight to the serial port hardware. The LAN-Rover is merely creating an Int 14h Bios-like software interface, not a hardware one which is impossible, and you should tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1 to couple to it. I'm guessing that is what Shiva has done because that is by far the most common tactic in such cases. Your Shiva manual should say more. To counteract this confusion we've added some words to the documentation for MSK v3.14 explaining the hardware vs Int 14h choices more clearly. Now, one more guess then I'm done. If the modem provides a real serial port on COM3 then that's not "redirection"; it is being a regular modem. In that case either - the system provides the COM3 port address and Kermit has to choose between IRQ 3 and 4 (since there is NO standard on COM3/4), or - you tell Kermit the port and IRQ via the SET COM3 port irq command. Procomm makes plenty of macho assumptions without telling you about it. Kermit does not play that roughly with your machine. We have a large amount of documentation talking about modems and such as part of the distribution text set. Please go to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a and get ms*.bwr, ms*.upd, and msr313.pch (all text files). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 04:35:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:43:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:43:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: changing IRQ's Date: 11 Oct 1994 04:35:54 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <37d4na$j9u@lucy.infi.net> References: <37cg75$n6o@lucy.infi.net> <37cqoj$huf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maxwell E Evarts (evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Maybe the \2 in the "set com4
\2" works, but the exact syntax : doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be: : set com4 \x2e8 2 : 2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the : previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch : settings to be sure. : - Max I'm using MSK 3.13, and when I type: set comx \xxxx ? It says: Enter, or IRQ of port (ex: \3) So, I did what it says. *shrug* -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 03:10:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:46:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:46:17 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 03:10:23 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, billy@mix.com wrote: > In article Ken Udut > writes: > > > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and > > print a nice binder? > > Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't > seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference > in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) > would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. > > Billy Y.. > It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages (either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and handier). Although one of the drawbacks is that the pages often get ripped, etc., and bound books are more permenant(sp?)... I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how to program Pascal. But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper and glue binding. Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight holding it down, while typing! Hopefully wirebound materials will foster more popularity as more binding companies provide it. Spiral Company is one of the biggest. (note: I'm not talking about the plastic ring bound stuff, as they aren't as nice to deal with as the wire-ringbound, like the classic spiral notebooks) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 11:56:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:31:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 08:31:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!news.miami.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Date: 11 Oct 1994 11:56:05 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Sep19.071445.15802@medicus.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: kudut@ritz.mordor.com's message of Fri, 7 Oct 1994 19:08:12 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code? :-> The problem isn't the fact that it is written in C, the problem is that when it wants to actually do something (like talk to the serial port, or do timeouts in the scripting language, etc) it does them in a U**x-like way. Meanwhile the Win32 API, while able to do most of the things U**x can do functionally, has a completely different philosophy about the way things work (often a better philosophy, but certainly different :-). Since I am more interested at this point in learning "the right way" to do things in Win32, than I am in porting kermit, that's why I say I am unlikely to do anything real soon. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Take the pledge! No votes for Ollie North supporters! NO POND SCUM! From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 03:22:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:42:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:42:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!axpvms.cc.utexas.edu!sauron From: sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 11 Oct 94 09:22:46 CST Organization: University of Texas @ Austin Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: axpvms.cc.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. Any ideas? TIA. Ian Stirling. send mail either to printf@cix.compulink.co.uk, From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 17:09:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 13:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT Message-Id: <1994Oct11.120947.6533@eisner> Date: 11 Oct 94 12:09:47 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Actually I thought that platform independent code was kept in a file specific to the new port. Ie. CKVTIO.C is the VAX terminal I/O code. Other than that the functions those VAX specific calls get mapped to (ie. say: CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT on a vax called VAX_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT ) and any limitations imposed by the CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT wrapper why should there by a problem. burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 02:29:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:02:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:02:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: backslashing numbers Message-Id: <1994Oct11.082901.29456@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Oct 94 08:29:00 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In MS-DOS Kermit command line arguments which are numbers can be expressed as 123 or \123 (decimal) or \x5c (hex) or \o67 (octal). The backslash is used to inform the parser of a following numeric and of the base of it. If there the context is unambiguous and the base is 10 then no backslash is necessary. But echo Beep\7 to you guys needs the backslash to mean binary 7 in this case. Deep down in the code the number converter really wants a leading backslash. In almost every place (excepting where I forgot) in the program where a number is expected the code accepts one without a backslash and the code prepends a missing one. Adding a backslash does no harm, but don't use two because, starting in MSK 3.14 that means a literal backslash, as in C. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 19:50:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:01:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:01:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jolomo From: jolomo@netcom.com (Joe Morris) Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback Message-Id: Organization: The Future Fair X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37ac48$3q7@chopin.udel.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 19:50:58 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 9 Oct 1994 23:23:52 -0400 Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have > gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature. Now, I > know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my > question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a > feature? I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party > programs, to nifty scripts, etc... The general-all-purpose solution I've gone with is "screen", ftp-able from prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu, which is a character-based-terminal screen manager. It gives you scroll-back as well as a million other life-saving features which I won't go into here, other than if you've never heard of it and you work on a Unix-like system, give it a look-over. Good luck -- -joe "Honey, they're in *everybody's* eggs" --firesigns From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 22:53:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 01:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 01:51:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 11 Oct 1994 16:53:57 -0600 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: >How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. >I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with >errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. >Any ideas? Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can, use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the Kermit side to work better with telnet. -Fozz -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 11 16:41:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:01:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 03:01:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!esseye!scholten From: scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten) Subject: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Message-Id: Organization: Smiths Industries Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 16:41:14 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17132 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4002 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:655 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: kermit: when I set the line, it either hangs or get a "communications disconnected message" That is all! taylor: when trying to dial out, I get a read/write error to the port. Now, I did discover that if I do an stty -f/dev/tty01 clocal, then taylor will dial out. But this only works 75% of the time. If somebody logs in, then I have to redo the clocal. The clocal doesn't seem to do anything for kermit. Are all these problems related to the getty running on BSD??? thanks for any help, Dave Scholten (please send email responses if possible) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 07:57:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Kermit distribution discussion, an apology Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@pan.UUCP (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:57:42 GMT Expires: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > >:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100 >:-From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) >:-To: ts@uwasa.fi >:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution Posting a privately mailed message to the net news is an *extremely* low class thing to do. I am shocked that someone who claims to be such an experienced and knowledgeable person would stoop to such a thing. jw From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 07:48:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 05:08:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:48:47 GMT Expires: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people >>start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial >>restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get >>around them." > >Guess I missed that one. What I saw was more like people asking what >exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them. In message , posted by louk@teleride.on.ca >What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which >you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support >or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than >restricting distribution? > >Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand >these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them. jw From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 11:27:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:30:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 07:30:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 12 Oct 1994 11:27:19 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in later versions? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 08:03:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:03:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 08:03:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!pipex!news.maz.net!news.ppp.de!news.Hanse.DE!lutzifer.hanse.de!wolfhh!ranahh!vg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: vg@ranahh.hanse.de (Volkmar grote) Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright Message-Id: <941005.220452.2v7.rusnews.w164w@ranahh.hanse.de> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 22:04:52 CET References: <36pbtj$cc0@usenety1.news.prodigy.com> <1994Oct4.101940.24819@chemabs.uucp> <9410041248.AA26638@SimTel.Coast.NET> Organization: Me - organized ??!? X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.06/UUPC Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) writes: > swl07@cas.org (Steven W. Layten) writes: >>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more >>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is >>likely to kill the Kermit effort. > > It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM. If > it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes. The > proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation. They sell > 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs? I would love it. I still miss my 1/2" tape drive and the TK50. The debate seems to turn constructive :-| Volkmar -- vg@ranahh.hanse.DE Volkmar Grote, Gilbertstrasse 25, D-22767 Hamburg, Germany, +49-40-31 33 39 "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers." (nicked from Jim Harkins) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:28:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:28:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:28:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:28:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols > the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, > I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in > later versions? > No, it's not a joke. Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages pose a certain security risk. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:37:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:37:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:37:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:37:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <37gor5$669@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: > >How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. > >I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with > >errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. > >Any ideas? > > Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you > can, use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the > Kermit side to work better with telnet. > I think the question was "how do you do it?". The answer is: use Kermit's TELNET command. Or if we are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, use the SET PORT TCP command. It's all in the documentation. In case this is not clear: use Kermit *instead of* Telnet. As far as performance is concerned, it varies. On some connections I get effective file transfer rates of about 1MB/sec, on others (e.g. cross- country or international connections during busy times), much lower. As usual, there are many, many variables. Also, not all TELNET connections are 7-bit. Try normal file transfer settings, and use long packets and a big window size; tell both Kermits to SET FLOW NONE since TCP and IP handle flow control themselves quite nicely. If it doesn't work, then you probably do have a 7-bit connection, in which case tell Kermit to SET PARITY SPACE. If you are talking about "Kermit in the middle", in CONNECT mode between two other systems, then (a) be sure you tell this "middle" Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET COMMAND BYTESIZE, and (b) be sure you are using version 5A(190), which performs much better in this situation than previous releases. One of the big plusses of Kermit software is that the same program works uniformly over serial and network connections -- script programming and all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:40:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:40:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Date: 12 Oct 1994 13:40:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37gp0m$6cr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten) writes: > This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I > am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial > out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: > If there is a getty running on the same tty device, shut it down before attempting to dial out. Then, if desired, put it back after your dialout session is finished. The best way to do this is to wrap Kermit in a shell script that does whatever your system requires in order to shut down and restart getty on a device. As you might imagine, details vary wildly from one UNIX implementation to the next, from one release of the same UNIX implementation to the next. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:50:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:53:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:53:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!adasoft.ch!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Message-Id: <-CxJv1B.17G@adasoft.ch> Control: cancel Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <9410052152.AA18509@simtel.coast.net> <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <377e2t$2hr@Mercury.mcs.com> Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:50:23 GMT Approved: news@adasoft.ch Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:51:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:54:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:54:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!ulowell!adasoft.ch!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Message-Id: <-CxJvG6.19D@adasoft.ch> Control: cancel Reply-To: jw@pan.UUCP (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <3774gn$jg9@zippo.uwasa.fi> Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:51:18 GMT Approved: news@adasoft.ch Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 12:59:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 10:03:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:59:15 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >later versions? Well, I don't use the Enq (Control-E) anymore but I used to, a few years back, on a favorite TBBS board. If you set a username/password in MS-Kermit, I *believe* that is what the Control-E received from the host will send out. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 03:32:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 12:42:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Message-Id: <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 09:32:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols > the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, > I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in > later versions? ------------ Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning the response and letting the user turn it on or off. The most common use of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as not a wise thing to do. My advice is forget that answerback ever existed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 04:16:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:49:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:49:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!loghost.sdsc.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Message-Id: <1994Oct12.101609.29630@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 10:16:09 MDT References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: > > > >>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. >>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with >>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. >>Any ideas? > > Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can, > use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the > Kermit side to work better with telnet. ------------ I think I need to make three corrections here. First, Kermit works fine simulating an 8-bit comms channel over a 7-bit channel, by design. Second, Telnet is almost always an 8-bit channel these days, needing only doubling of IAC (\255) or Kermit prefixing of \255 to prevent unwanted Options stuff. Rlogin is a different animal than Telnet, with its own protocol requirements. Some rlogins are easy to get along with and forgive the protocol omissions, others aren't. And, as most of us know, rlogin is a fat security hole. The reader above is perhaps confusing telnet and rlogin facilities peculiar to Telebit Netblazer modem pools, rather than Unix capabilities. Third, I think the original question was how to start a Telnet session with C Kermit. The answers are a) read the fine manual and release documentation, and b) give command Telnet host on modern C Kermits. We don't know which version of C Kermit and which Unix you are running so we will pause to see if you have enough information now. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 21:33:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:33:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 17:33:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Intel Modem Script for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:33:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 143 Message-Id: <37hkn0$gcv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A copy of a manual for the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem" showed up here recently. This is a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis + MNP etc internal data/fax modem for PCs. Based on the info in manual, the following dialing script is postulated, but completely untested, for MS-DOS Kermit. Questions: 1. Does it work on the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem"? 2. Does it also work on the Intel Satisfaxion modem? 3. Does the modem indeed "autobaud" at 57600 bps for AT commands? Please reply to me personally, rather than to the list. Thanks! ---(cut here)--- ; FILE INTEL14.SCR ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Intel High-Speed Internal ; Faxmodem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. The modem is set up ; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback. RTS/CTS flow ; control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 ; Macro to try to get attention of modem's command processor ; at the given speed, or if no speed given, at the current speed. ; define atok - if not def \%1 assign \%1 \v(speed), - set speed \%1, - echo Trying \%1..., - output ATQ0V1\13, - input 3 OK, - end \v(status) set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second atok 57600 ; Autobaud... if fail atok 38400 if fail atok 19200 if fail atok 9600 if fail stop 1 Can't get modem's attention. output AT E1&C1&D2&S0X4\92V2\13 ; Echoing, result codes, etc. chkok {Can't initialize modem} echo Configuring Intel Faxmodem... out ATB1+FCLASS=0 S7=85 S25=50\13 chkok {Can't set data modulation} echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT \92\G0\92Q3\13 chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} set flow rts/cts echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK... output AT Y0\92K1\13 chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT \92J0\92N3%C1"H3\13 chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define _modcmd end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define _modcmd end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of INTEL14.SCR From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 21:59:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:08:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 18:08:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!braver From: braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 12 Oct 1994 21:59:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 51 Message-Id: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnolia.cs.berkeley.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:667 comp.dcom.modems:67902 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport specific dialing script. I presume that if others have had difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by now. However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to this effect so AT&T will replace the unit). Here are the details: The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect" and issue AT commands by hand. However when I attempt to dial a number via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message: No DSR signal - check your modem and cable According to the script, this message is being generated because a "wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that sets the port speed. If I modify the script to pause for a longer period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal, then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when it reaches the following lines: set flow rts/cts output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the 'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't accept the "AT..." command. With these two pauses in place, everything else works fine. According to the various kermit help files, this type of behavior is indicative of a "modem problem". However, if there really is a "problem" with this line of modems, I would expect that the DATAPORT.SCR script would have the appropriate pauses to take this poor behavior into account. So, have any of you had similar problems, or heard of such problems, with the internal version of this modem? If you haven't had problems with it, I'd also like to know so I can get AT&T to replace mine. The modem, incidentally, is being used in a Compaq Deskpro 386/20, with the standard COM2=2F8h, and no apparent IRQ or other conflicts within the machine. Thanks for the help, Michael Braverman braver@cs.berkeley.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 23:11:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:11:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 155 Message-Id: <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal > AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the > Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport > specific dialing script... > Thanks for the report. If anybody else has had these problems, they have not reported them. The first problem "wait 0 dsr" resulting in "please turn on or connect your modem", means your modem is not asserting DSR. I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me". Evidently this is no longer the default on some modems. Solution: just remove these WAIT 0 statements from the script. As to needing a pause after SET FLOW RTS/CTS, maybe the thing to do here is "wait 5 cts" -- this should make Kermit wait up to five seconds for CTS to appear, but in any case no longer than necessary. If it does not appear after five seconds, we've got a problem anyway! Please try this amended script and let me know if it's OK: ---(cut)--- ; FILE DATAPORT.SCR (MSMDATAP.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the AT&T / Paradyne Dataport ; 14400 modem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.11 or later. The modem is set ; for V.32bis, compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS ; flow control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; ; Rename this file to DATAPORT.SCR if necessary. ; ; To use: SET MODEM=DATAPORT (in DOS, before starting Kermit) ; or: DEFINE _MODEM DATAPORT (in Kermit, before dialing) ; and: Make sure Kermit executes the standard MSKERMIT.INI file. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, September 1993 ; Revised Oct 94. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600 bps. ; NOTE: This modem doesn't seem to have a command for locking the ; interface speed. But it seems to do it anyway. ; set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} ; X6 = Verbose result codes, show modulation speed ; &C1 = CD follows RS232 ; &D2 = DTR follows RS232 ; &Q0 = Asynchronous data mode, use AT command set ; S84=0 = Normal ERROR response to bad commands output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = V.32bis with fallback chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} output AT \92N7%C1\13 ; Compression and EC enabled chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} output AT \92K5\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer - try again later} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of DATAPORT.SCR From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 13:10:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:13:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:13:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct12.191022.29706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 19:10:22 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:669 comp.dcom.modems:67921 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu>, braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > Greetings, > > I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal > AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the > Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport > specific dialing script. I presume that if others have had > difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by > now. However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to > see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could > just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to > this effect so AT&T will replace the unit). > > Here are the details: The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect" > and issue AT commands by hand. However when I attempt to dial a number > via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes > with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message: > > No DSR signal - check your modem and cable > > According to the script, this message is being generated because a > "wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that > sets the port speed. If I modify the script to pause for a longer > period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal, > then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when > it reaches the following lines: > > set flow rts/cts > output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 > chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} > > If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the > 'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't > accept the "AT..." command. With these two pauses in place, everything > else works fine. Frank has a much fuller response. But I'll make a guess that the modem is of the kind with is unusually slow to respond after making certain changes. The RTS/CTS problem looks that way, and so does the DSR item. We've heard of cases where a command string, say ATDT blah, needs to go out very slowly (down to four characters per second) or characters are dropped. For this purpose we added command SET OUTPUT PACING . Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 17:15:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:15:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Date: 12 Oct 94 22:15:02 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> <372cbb$p7l@mcrware.microware.com> <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I once took of a publishing house. They showed us a video on the book production process. Pages are pasted up in groups of 8 per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses. Folding and trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages. These are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding. I asked about ring/loose leaf. What they do is take the glued signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes, then cut off the glued binging. It is these extra operations which make mass produced ring binding more expensive. Hope this helps. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 15:00:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:14:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Oct 1994 23:14:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct12.210048.29720@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 94 21:00:48 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR > used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me". Evidently this is no > longer the default on some modems. Solution: just remove these WAIT 0 > statements from the script. VMS has always thought that DSR means "I've picked up the phone; get ready for carrier". If the modem asserts DSR and doesn't assert CD within about 30 seconds or so, VMS assumes that it got a voice call and deasserts DTR to tell the modem to hang up the phone. Needless to say, this causes lots of extra traffic in comp.os.vms as folks with PC modems try to get them running with VMS... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:01:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:01:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:01:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script for redialing Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:01:02 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37ieue$a38@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <17047EC28S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes: >I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11. I want to know if anybody has a script >file that will make the modem redial? > Not exactly a script file. How about a one word command? define go dial 18005551212, while failure {dial 18005551212}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect Then I can just say go and the computer rings the bell when the connection is made. Actually, with my modem the second command is while failure {dial L}, because ATDL dials the last number. Don't know if that's universal, though. I'm using C Kermit. I presume the command language for PC Kermit is similar. -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:35:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:43:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 01:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry.infi.net!fastcart From: fastcart@infi.net (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:35:00 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37igu4$4m5@lucy.infi.net> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com> <1994Oct12.101609.29630@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <37f525$rpg@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: : > sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu writes: : > : > : > : >>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : >>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : >>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. : >>Any ideas? As well as what was said before, if you use C-kermit, the command: set host will work. I've done it a few time last week. For instance: set host compuserve.com Works. Then, to connect just: c and it connects you to CompuServe. -- Fast Cart From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:24:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 02:10:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit Command files... Date: 13 Oct 1994 05:24:57 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <37igb9$1a3b@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do you make Command files? under the File menu, there's an option to Take Command File. when i first got an ancient version of MacKermit, it came with a script to automatically dial up the terminal server here on campus and one to disconnect. these were supposed to be loaded using this option and seemed to work fine, even after i changed them to just dial numbers i wanted. however, now they don't work anymore, not even the original versions! i'm not sure if it's because i upgraded to a newer version of MacKermit (0.991(190)), or because i just got system 7, but i now get "application 'unknown' has unexpectedly quit due to error number 28" or somesuch... so, is there a way of making a working command file? and a related question - can i load the terminal settings at the same time as the commnad file? either by including an instruction in the script to load the terminal settings or somehow combining the two files? Thanx, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu 1) There was a young girl from Peru 2) There was a young man from Verdun Whose limericks stopped at line two -- Martin Gardner "Aha, Gotcha!" From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 08:01:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:19:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 04:19:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit? Date: 13 Oct 1994 08:01:01 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 42 Message-Id: <37ipft$177@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct10.080603.29320@cc.usu.edu> <377fcp$6id@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37ae26$4qn@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> In a previous article, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yee Chang Lee) says: >> >>>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot. I also use >>>Telix. Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit. >>> >>>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit? Kermit _is_ writing to >>>hardware, not BIOS. >>> >>>Any other ideas? >> >> Try: >> >> SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048 >> >> before starting Kermit. >> >> If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your >> Kermit invocation. >------------- > Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer >used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related >to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer. > But thanks for assisting. > Joe D. > I should have added more to that reply. I find most people are using Package Script menu programs like EasyKermit and are not cognicent of exactly what mode they are in when the screen updates "seem" slow. That's why I said try it and see. I will admit that I have had some confusion as to whether this effects connect mode when you connect from a script. I believe your answer clears this up for me. Thank you, Joe and I apologize for my brevity and lack of illumination. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 12 09:01:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 07:53:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 07:53:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!unicorn.nott.ac.uk!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:01:54 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet >has been challenged. > > Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >explanation of the acronym was given. > > Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz? > > Thank you. > >reflib@enh.nist.gov Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming sort of character." ... From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 12:43:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:35:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:35:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Keywords: WinSock TCP SLIP NetManage Chameleon Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 12:43:24 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news software here seem to have prevented it from going out] I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit over this TCP connection. From reading the manual, I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety of connections beyond straight serial through a UART, things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit. Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this? Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? Thanks. --Mike Ciaraldi P.S. I like the new Kermit icon. But what is that grey rectangle in the lower right, next to his collar? Is that the horizon line? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 14:27:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:40:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:40:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:27:13 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) where they found it? Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? Does Digital Press plan on perusing this newsgroup or could someone who knows someone suggest that it might not be a bad marketing move to at least lurk around here from time to time? In case it isn't obvious, I have a looooooooooong list of establishments where the book isn't. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 12:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:45:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:44:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!charon.citicorp.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals References: <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner> <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 12:22:34 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct12.221502.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: >The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I >once took of a publishing house. They showed us a video on the >book production process. Pages are pasted up in groups of 8 >per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses. Folding and >trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages. These >are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding. > >I asked about ring/loose leaf. What they do is take the glued >signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes, >then cut off the glued binging. It is these extra operations >which make mass produced ring binding more expensive. > >Hope this helps. > >Gerry Belanger > *Wow*! Thanks Gerry :-) I had always thought ring binding would be about the same - I had no idea that they glue-bound the books ANYWAY, and *then* chopped the ends off... Pretty neat if you ask me! ;-) Ken, feeling more knowledgeable today than yesterday... :) kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 14:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 10:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:46:39 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs hangup correctly. I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 users. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 07:25:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:34:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:34:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 94 12:25:22 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 17 Message-Id: <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit > book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) > where they found it? > > Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? That's how I got my copies. The Kermit books also carry Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore. Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X. Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3. Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort a little more. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 04:28:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:41:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:41:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 10:28:28 MDT References: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) writes: > [ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news > software here seem to have prevented it from going out] > > I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link > from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included > telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit > over this TCP connection. > > From reading the manual, > I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety > of connections beyond straight serial through a UART, > things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell > from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports > is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit. > > Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this? > Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? ------------ I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing. Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol stack and whatever they choose to do about attaching to a lan adapter board. Above the winsock api level are many applications which are dependent on the winsock TCP/IP stack to communicate anywhere at all. Again, this is 100% Windows-only stuff (not to mention 16-bit vs 32-bit Windows-only differences). Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not associated with winsock. If your work requires a winsock compatible TCP/IP stack then please look around at the many commerical offerings. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 18:10:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:10:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 14:10:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:10:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <37jt72$e7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.122522.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: > In article <37jg41$96h@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > > > Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit > > book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other) > > where they found it? > > > > Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it? > That's how I got my copies. The Kermit books also carry > Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore. > Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X. > Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3. > > Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort > a little more. > Yes, Kermit books can be ordered direct from Columbia (see below). The confusion with the bookstores came about because the original Digital Press, which was part of Digital Equipment Corporation, was divested by Digital and bought out by Butterworth-Heinemann, which in turn is a "member of the Reed Elsevier Group". Unfortunately, most bookstores do not know about this yet. When they run out of Kermit books and go back to Prentice Hall (distributor for the original Digital Press, but not for Butterworths) (confusing?) to redorder, they are told that the book is "out of print" and are not referred to Butterworths. We have been trying to get this situation rectified, but I have no concrete proof that matters have improved. Bookstores should contact Butterworth Heinemann / Digital Press, 225 Wildwood Street, Woburn, MA 01801, USA, phone +1 800 366-2665. Individuals can also order by calling this toll-free number. The Prentice Hall ISBN numbers are no longer valid. The valid ISBNs are: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" 1-55558-082-3 "Using C-Kermit" 1-55558-108-0 "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" 0-932376-88-6 Similarly, DEC order number (EY-xxxx-DP) are no longer valid and the books can no longer be ordered from DECdirect. Butterworth Heinemann overseas phone numbers are: +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) You can order direct from Columbia by calling +1 212 854-3703 or by sending in an order form. Send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for further information. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 05:32:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:00:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 15:00:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1994Oct13.113223.29783@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 11:32:23 MDT References: <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup > command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset > DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs > hangup correctly. > > I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup > macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. > > I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 > users. ---------- Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly" mean in this case? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 21:04:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:04:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:04:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Date: 13 Oct 1994 21:04:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or comp.protocols.kermit.announce. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 17:49:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 17:49:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!RWR-PHYSIOL.MED.UPENN.EDU!RATZLAFF From: RATZLAFF@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ron Ratzlaff) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:16:29 Organization: Dep't Physiol., University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rwr-physiol.med.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when I'm trying to make a plot. Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? Any help appreciated. I'm using Kermit ver 3.13 for MS-DOS. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 22:10:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:10:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:10:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: > I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have > Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem > is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to > make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters > are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be > something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable > when I'm trying to make a plot. > What kind of printer is it? Is it a serial or parallel printer? Is it a graphics printer? Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem connected to? A VAX port? A LAT box? Some other kind of terminal server? Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics printer driver installed? As you can see, there are many variables here. But in general the key is to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port, the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected connection). And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC). As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control. Who said data communication was easy? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 22:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:18:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 18:18:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:18:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <37kbo9$7hq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, > that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means > of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is ^^^^^^ Oops, I meant: former > much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS > system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem ^^^^^^^^ Oops, I meant: RTS/CTS Too much coffee... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 18:42:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:32:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Oct 1994 19:32:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:42:13 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 70 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Braverman's question about the AT&T Dataport dialing script has prompted me to offer the following observations on the current batch of MS-Kermit dialing scripts. Currently I patch all the scripts to suit my own preferences so partly this note is in hopes that Columbia will see things my way and incorporate some of these suggestions into their standard distribution. :-) There's also a question or two buried in the following that I'd like answered. And lastly, I hope others working with these scripts may find a useful idea or two. Sorry the post is so long. 1. I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back. For example, with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the dialing script compares the response to CONNECT. The comparison fails, and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer. Try again later." I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison. Yesterday, a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0 connect" to "reinput 2 connect". Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says the timeout interval on the reinput command is ignored. Line 1434 of KERMIT.BWR says "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text in the INPUT command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval) for more characters to arrive from the communication channel." Ok, so, after waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison again? Or perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a match and so is willing to wait for more characters? If so, I can adopt my student friend's solution which is more elegant than pausing in every case. If not, then why does changing the timeout interval to 2 work? In any case, I suggest the standard HAYES.SCR should be changed to account for these slow modems. 2. I find the noise level of the scripts irritating. (In my opinion) they should not automatically set input echo on. Similarly, the scripts that echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving feedback that is not useful to the average user. True, this may be a matter of taste. My preference is for all this feedback to be controlled by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default. Increasing the noiselevel variable increases the feedback. 3. The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. 4. The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory. 5. Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. And for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing directory be respected. 6. I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing" if the initial contact fails. Again, those with more experience may convince me this is a bad idea. (I'm looking for guidance here.) But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help. Anyhow, unless someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement this strategy at Queen's. In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a vain hope.) I hope that some of the above suggestions will be useful to others and I welcome comments from Columbia and anyone else on these ideas. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 04:05:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:38:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:38:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright Date: 14 Oct 1994 04:05:18 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 34 Message-Id: References: <36lpdt$ns4@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk's message of Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:17:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Alan.Holmes@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) writes: In article nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: >In article <36ml93$1ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to > spend one red cent. If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you > advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us > money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw. That would > include the universities, government agencies, research institute, > hospitals, convents, and orphanages. > Why don't we give it rest, eh? Thanks. >Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the >distribution of Kermit. If you want universities, government >agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to >be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it. Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the impression that distribution was already free to this list and indeed anyone who has access to the email system. There is no such thing as no-cost software. Every method of distribution has a cost. The Kermit copyright reserves the right to distribute on physical media at any non-zero price. They do not distribute on CD-ROM. So, the only way to get kermit on physical media, if you don't already know someone with the version you want, is to buy it on floppies from Columbia. -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:21:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:21:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Got the 3.14 beta, a question Date: 14 Oct 1994 05:21:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37l4fv$6th@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I got the 3.14 beta and like what I see. No problems found yet, but one puzzling thing . . . if I jump into my editor, QEdit, by typing 'edit' at the command line, the modem hangs up. 3.13 didn't do this. What am I doing wrong here? --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:14:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:52:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 01:52:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13 Date: 14 Oct 1994 05:14:40 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37l440$2d6@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct13.113223.29783@cc.usu.edu> <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37jh8f$9p1@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup >> command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset >> DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs >> hangup correctly. >> >> I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup >> macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup. >> >> I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13 >> users. >---------- > Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly" >mean in this case? > Joe D. > I have had this problem with all brands of modems. The problem is that hangup drops the DTR line to hang up but only in Connect mode does it bring the line back up. In Command and Script mode once hangup drops DTR is stays down. I am using Communications port 1. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:19:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 03:09:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 03:09:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!tedm From: tedm@agora.rdrop.com (Ted Mittelstaedt) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: References: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:19:52 GMT Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17151 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4036 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:694 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Scholten wrote: >This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I >am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial >out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: > If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port please tell me! :-) Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP, I installed FreeBSD 1.1 from the CDROM and the default sendmail.cf only seems to know how to send SMTP mail, at least I don't see the uux transport program listed anywhere. Right now I'm trying to hack it together with the O'Rilley book on Sendmail, and a couple of examples from a Sun box, and I really don't want to spend a week or two rewriting sendmail,cf if someone has already done it. Thanks, tedm@agora.rdrop.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 09:16:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:16:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 05:16:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!htnguyen From: htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 14 Oct 1994 09:16:06 GMT Organization: Cal State Long Beach Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: grover.cecs.csulb.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. -- Huy Nguyen (htnguyen@csulb.edu) Network Administrator Career Development Center Califonia State Univeristy Long Beach From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 10:48:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 06:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 06:50:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 14 Oct 1994 10:48:03 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 40 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 12 Oct 94 09:32:20 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct12.093220.29625@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >> later versions? >------------ > Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of >being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not >quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning >the response and letting the user turn it on or off. What? If you supect someone unautorized may maliciously edit your MSCUSTOM.INI then surely having them change the answerback is the last of your worries. > The most common use >of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as >not a wise thing to do. The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some preferences to be configured per location rather than per user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default opening menu. At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT" response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is messy but it works. It also means that we have to enable the APC facility. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 13 23:07:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 07:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 07:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!newton.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals Message-Id: <1994Oct13.180737.1123@newton.hartwick.edu> Date: 13 Oct 94 18:07:37 -0500 References: <370rss$cf7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) writes: > In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, billy@mix.com wrote: >> In article Ken Udut >> writes: >> >> > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and >> > print a nice binder? >> >> Docs in a binder would be fine with me. Unfortunately this doesn't >> seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference >> in convenience of use.. Even just the pages (and I supply the binder) >> would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems. >> >> Billy Y.. >> > > It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages > (either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and > handier). [snip] > > I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how > to program Pascal. But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper > and glue binding. Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first > or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight > holding it down, while typing! Hmm, those recent Borland manuals are a new kind of glue-back that's much better than the older ones. They're less controllable than ring bindings but they lie a lot flatter then the ordinary kind. For years, I've cut the backs off manuals and punched them either for ring binders or for plastic comb-backs. Had to do that with the Kermit manual, but I found Turbo Pascal 6 and 7 usable as is. At least, propped up between the keyboard & monitor, they stay open where I put them. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 11:16:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 08:21:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 08:21:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!survis.surfnet.nl!Xander.Jansen From: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH In-Reply-To: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> X-Sender: jansen@SURFnet.nl Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Phone: +31 30 310290 Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Address: "Cluetinckborch, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Telefax: +31 30 340903 Organization: SURFnet bv References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:16:31 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 14 Oct 1994, One from the West wrote: > I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now > everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when > you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone > enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using 2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with the 14k4 modem not. Perhaps it has something to do with speed buffering and old UARTS ? Xander From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:42:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Relgious war: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5) Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:42:09 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 44 Message-Id: References: <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 12 Oct 1994 13:28:37 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37goa6$2of@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article >B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols >> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This, >> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in >> later versions? >> >No, it's not a joke. Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages >pose a certain security risk. This has the makings of a Relgious war :-( Answerback messages per-se do not pose a security risk. Remotely configurable answerback strings do and I'm not proposing this. Programming your password into the answerback string is (without overstating the obvious either) stupid - anyone who does that deserves everything they get. [The following is also posted to another branch of this thread - sorry] The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some preferences to be configured per location rather than per user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default opening menu. At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT" response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is messy but it works. It also means that we are forced to enable the APC facility (now _that_ *is* a security hole). -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:46:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!bham!news!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:46:13 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU's message of Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:16:29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >I'm trying to make a plot. > >Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w problem not a handshake problem. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2171 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:42:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:42:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:42:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 14 Oct 1994 14:42:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 14 Message-Id: <37m5bq$1re@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: |Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM |hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high |speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using |2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with |the 14k4 modem not. Same problem here as well. I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an Intel external 14.4k modem. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:36:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:45:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 10:45:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!zippy.dct.ac.uk!ccdarg From: ccdarg@zippy.dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Message-Id: <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: 14 Oct 94 15:36:10 +0100 References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> Organization: University of Abertay Dundee (DIT) Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: > In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: >> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >>explanation of the acronym was given. > Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer > Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: > > "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when > we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming > sort of character." ... Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal Microcomputer Interface Terminal" That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being sued of course :-) -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct University of Abertay Dundee Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 Int +44 382 308810 -- Pavlov's dog: the runt of the litter? -- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 14:39:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:07:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail From: tmottone@cc.helsinki.fi (Teemu Mottonen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:39:36 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 27 Message-Id: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Nntp-Posting-Host: plootu.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS and when executed directly from the Program Manager. The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART after running the first script ? The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. The PC is a 486DX-33. Thanks in advance, Teemu Mottonen. -- Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 16:41:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:41:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:41:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta News and Update Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 14 Oct 1994 16:41:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <37mcau$n1h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:704 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to everyone for the quick reports concerning MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-2 dropping DTR (hanging up) when given a PUSH, RUN, etc, command. This problem is now fixed, and a new mstibm.zip file was installed in the kermit/test/bin directory on kermit.columbia.edu as of about 12:20pm Eastern (USA) time, Friday, October 14, 1994. This one identifies itself as Beta-3, 14 Oct 94. It is also available in text format as mstibm.boo and mstibm.uue in the kermit/test/text directory, and these two have also been installed in KERMSRV on CUVMA for BITNET/EARN/CREN access. As mentioned in the original announcement, the ZIP file contains subdirectories, and so in order to unzip it and preserve the directory structure, which is ESSENTIAL to correction operation, you might have to give your unzipping program a special switch to enable directory creation, for example: pkunzip -d mstibm.zip Otherwise you'll get lots of warnings about READ.ME files overwriting each other, and you won't get the needed directory structure. Yesterday's ZIP file contains a "draft" dialing script for the Intel High Speed FaxModem, INTEL14.SCR. This is completely untested; if you have one of these modems, I'd appreciate it if you would test the new script and let me know the results. I'd also like to know if it works on other Intel models, such as the Intel SatisFaxion. Today's ZIP file adds another untested draft dialing script, FASTALK2.SCR, for the Motorola FasTalkII. Test results needed. If any Israelis or Russians (or other people who use the Hebrew or Cyrillic alphabets) are reading this newsgroup, I'd like reactions to the new Hebrew and Cyrillic support. If any Japanese people are reading and have been able to test the Kanji terminal emulation in DOS/V, reports would be appreciated. However, it is presently a restriction that the Kanji terminal emulation does not work with Nikkei Telecom database services. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 03:43:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 12:45:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 09:43:27 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the messages on DTR dropping when going to DOS. Indeed, it did. It's fixed in "beta-3 14 Oct 1994" appearing on kermit.columbia.edu today. For the technically curious, the problem was turning on UART loopback while testing for 16550A-ness and vicinity, in the hope of shutting off babble from the outside during the examination. I added this last week but did not check for the side effect that the handshake lines might all drop too. So I don't turn on loopback anymore after this morning and thus DTR stays high/asserted/true/"1". If I could ask a favor of people submitting bug reports, it is that you also send a copy directly to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu. NEWS takes about a day to make its way out here in Utah but mail is much quicker. ------ Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That is a security hole. We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get the idea sooner or later. Thanks for the feedback and keep those reports coming, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:58:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:58:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:58:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:58:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 113 Message-Id: <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at > GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back. For example, > with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the > dialing script compares the response to CONNECT. The comparison fails, > and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer. Try again later." > After the dialing command (ATD...) is given, the script waits for a linefeed (presumably the one that terminates the echo from the ATD... command) and then another linefeed. Whatever is in between should be the modem's response. I don't understand how, after receiving the linefeed that comes *after* the CONNECT message, characters could be missing from the end of "CONNECT". Nevertheless... > I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison. > Yesterday, a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0 > connect" to "reinput 2 connect". Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says > the timeout interval on the reinput command is ignored. Line 1434 of > KERMIT.BWR says "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text > in the INPUT command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval) > for more characters to arrive from the communication channel." > The .BWR file is right. > Ok, so, after waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison > again? Or perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a > match and so is willing to wait for more characters? If so, I can adopt > my student friend's solution which is more elegant than pausing in every > case. > It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case, and it will probably have the desired effect. Since you have access to a modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the results back to me. I'd also like to see a session log of a manual dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular Hayes modems. > I find the noise level of the scripts irritating. (In my opinion) they > should not automatically set input echo on. Similarly, the scripts that > echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving > feedback that is not useful to the average user. True, this may be a > matter of taste. My preference is for all this feedback to be > controlled by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default. > Increasing the noiselevel variable increases the feedback. > A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14 cycle. It is better for users to be informed about what is happening and to be able to see exactly where matters might take a bad turn, than it is to suppress verbiage for experienced user, who are certainly capable of finding ways to do this themselves :-). In a future release we might be able to add features to the program itself to control message levels. > The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled > by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. > Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is opaque to many users. Too late for 3.14. > The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since > that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory. > Yes they should. The trick is for them to restore the desired parity after the connection is made. This is supposed to happen in the improved DIAL macro supplied with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. > Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE > speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here > but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. > Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? > And > for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing > directory be respected. > Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed that is negotiated between the two modems. > I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing" > if the initial contact fails. Again, those with more experience may > convince me this is a bad idea. > It sounds like a good idea. We'll take a look at this one. > But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe > just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the > occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help. Anyhow, unless > someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement > this strategy at Queen's. > Does anybody have an example of a modem for which this treatment would be necessary? > In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge > that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a > vain hope.) > Not at all! As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and adding new ones. Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven and more tightly integrated with the program -- some kind of compromise between the current method and the way C-Kermit does it, neither one of which is perfect. Meanwhile, anything that you have which might be of general interest, feel free to post it or send it in. And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:08:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:37:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:37:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:08:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Lines: 31 Message-Id: <37mdtq$1s0@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, Alan Greig wrote: |In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: |> In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: | |>> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no |>>explanation of the acronym was given. | |> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer |> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: |> |> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when |> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming |> sort of character." ... | |Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs |claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal |Microcomputer Interface Terminal" | |That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being |sued of course :-) Frank da Cruz's book (cited above) gives the rest of the story -- the alternate definitions given for the name of Kermit, until they finally asked Henson Associates for permission to use the un-acronymed name. The acronyms were mostly attempt to retro-fit an explanation onto the string. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@eecs.umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 18:52:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:53:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:52:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:52:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <37mk27$4qu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) >writes: >> Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE >> speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here >> but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. >> >Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible >response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we >can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest >dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? > >> And >> for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing >> directory be respected. >> >Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting >modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed >that is negotiated between the two modems. The drawbacks of using the highest speed occur on systems which probably do not have a buffered UART or have high levels of interrupt activity (systems with network cards, multiple active serial ports, ...). It might be possible that even though RTS/CTS flow control is enable that the cables are missing the appropriate lines. Or that a terminal server on the other end of the connection does not use RTS/CTS flow control and can handle the data throughput at 38400, but losses characters at 57600. Or there might be bugs in the virtual device driver that simulates RTS/CTS to the application but doesn't implement it to the modem. In other words, there are circumstances outside of Kermits or the users control that make it desireable to have the dialing directory speed obeyed. It would be a simple change to to script to make the entry in the dialing directory the maximum speed used. Just an idea. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:30:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:58:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:58:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!world!brigc From: brigc@world.std.com (Brig C McCoy) Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Organization: Southeast Kansas Library System, Iola, KS Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:30:20 GMT Lines: 18 > We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion >from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate th >situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get >the idea sooner or later. *FLAME* How can you expect us to react appropriately to someone who's entirely too civil? :) Thanks for the MS-Kermit, btw. Use it and like it. ...brig --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ People say I'm indecisive. Am I? I don't know. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:21:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:04:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:04:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!alpha2.csd.uwm.edu!randyd From: randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11 Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:21:47 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee, Computing Services Division Lines: 13 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <37menb$91s@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.202 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13 the underlined video is no longer underlined. I have a old 286 with hercmono card. What could be the problem. The high intensity video works fine though. { Randy. randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu finger for 1024 bit pgp2.6 public key key fingerprint 6D A1 28 15 42 BE 9B 6C C0 1C 7E 88 A6 1E 3A B8 } From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:39:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:39:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 15:39:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!flowers From: flowers@msuvx2.memphis.edu (Harry Flowers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 12:39:51 -0500 References: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> Organization: The University of Memphis Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks > for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That > is a security hole. Where do you get this? The host may ask for terminal type without you being aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole. The string you place in answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is what you answer back". How is this a problem? Now, host *setable* answerbacks *are* a problem, since they come from your input buffer. You wouldn't want the host program putting delete commands in your answerback, and then doing the ENQ and exiting. This is indeed something you should not allow. As long as the user has complete control of what the answerback message is, if any, there isn't a problem unless the user creates one for himself. > We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion > from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the > situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get > the idea sooner or later. In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has already been posted (a way of getting a location profile). Kermit would have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support. Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a *flame*. ;-) -- Harry Flowers Internet:FLOWERS@CC.MEMPHIS.EDU or FLOWERS@NARNIA.MEMPHIS.EDU The University of Memphis, 112 Administration Bldg., Memphis, TN 38152 (USA) From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:35:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:02:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news.eecs.nwu.edu!bonomi From: bonomi@eecs.nwu.edu (Robert Bonomi) Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K Message-Id: Sender: usenet@eecs.nwu.edu Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University References: <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 17:35:57 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.153610.7773@zippy.dct.ac.uk>, Alan Greig wrote: >In article , O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk writes: >> In article <6OCT94.14271506@enh.nist.gov> reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > >>> Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no >>>explanation of the acronym was given. > >> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer >> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3: >> >> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when >> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming >> sort of character." ... > >Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs >claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal >Microcomputer Interface Terminal" > >That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being >sued of course :-) It *did* start with the -frog-, himself. The name is used _with_permission_ of the copyright holder. The "KL-10....." was fitted onto the name, -after- it was selected. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 05:10:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 16:44:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART Message-Id: <1994Oct14.111047.29915@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 11:10:47 MDT References: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI>, tmottone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen) writes: > Hi all, > > I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm > developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit > to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings > seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS > and when executed directly from the Program Manager. > > The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) > on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown > hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. > > It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know > what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to > disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by > patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI > settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART > after running the first script ? > > The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). > I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. > The PC is a 486DX-33. > > Thanks in advance, > Teemu Mottonen. > -- > Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki ------- Teemu, It's kind of difficult to guess here. Windows is controlling the physical serial ports and presents virtualized images to Kermit. One item needed by Kermit is the port i/o address (such as \x3f8), and Kermit obtains that either from the Bios work area in segment 40h (first four words are COM1...COM4 i/o addresses) or from the SET COMx Kermit command. If Windows or your Pascal program clears the seg 40h area then Kermit will produce this message. If Windows has the port allocated to some other task Windows may report 0's in seg 40h. Looking down their with debug or other means is a quick way to see what's happening. Does your Pascal program access the ports in any way? Source code for MSK 3.13 is available on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a. If modified then the patch file won't work anymore. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 09:35:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:17:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:17:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11 Message-Id: <1994Oct14.153543.29959@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 15:35:43 MDT References: <37menb$91s@uwm.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37menb$91s@uwm.edu>, randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) writes: > Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13 > the underlined video is no longer underlined. I have a old 286 with hercmono > card. What could be the problem. > > The high intensity video works fine though. -------- The problem is tied to the major shift of dealing with underlining in MSK 3.13. The mono case ought to have underlined, but the code apparently decides to "color" on mono instead. There will be no patch for this because MSK 3.14 is now being beta tested (hint: please try it and report back to me). Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 19:54:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:38:56 -0400 Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 19:54:53 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994. For your newsgroups file: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. The charter, culled from the call for votes: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 22:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:58:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 18:58:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!ctp.org!not-for-mail From: lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tektronix emulation question Date: 14 Oct 1994 15:46:59 -0700 Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried MS-Kermit 3.13. It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen. Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's) has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok. Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have this problem. Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics command set is not supported. Is this related? -- --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 11:17:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:13:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback Message-Id: <1994Oct14.171701.29983@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 17:17:01 MDT References: <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.123951.26484@msuvx2.memphis.edu>, flowers@cc.memphis.edu (Harry Flowers) writes: > In article <1994Oct14.094327.29901@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > writes: >> Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks >> for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That >> is a security hole. > > Where do you get this? The host may ask for terminal type without you being > aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole. The string you place in > answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is > what you answer back". How is this a problem? Maybe we can agree to differ on this host generated response from the client. > In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has > already been posted (a way of getting a location profile). Kermit would > have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support. > Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a > *flame*. ;-) Ok, I understand. And I suggested privately that a better scheme often is to let the host o/s, rather than the client program, provide a line identifier. After all, that is usually the comms link rather than a floppy or *.ini file wandering around the place. Still, the commentary is appreciated. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 20:33:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:01:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:01:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART References: <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 20:33:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37m578$eg4@plootu.Helsinki.FI> tmottone@cc.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen) writes: >Hi all, > >I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm >developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit >to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings >seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS >and when executed directly from the Program Manager. > >The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer) >on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown >hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails. > >It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know >what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to >disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by >patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI >settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART >after running the first script ? > >The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps). >I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results. >The PC is a 486DX-33. > >Thanks in advance, >Teemu Mottonen. >-- >Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki I'm not a Windows user (I posess a 286 w/Deskmate :-) ), but I am aware of this problem. (and I may be wrong. Since posting wrong answers to questions provokes the right ones, I guess it can't hurt if I only have half of the picture!) As far as I understand, Windows grabs the interrupts used by the modem and passes it to the program using it. However, when you invoke Kermit again, Windows still has a hold on these interrupts and is HIDING your com port from Kermit. (I'm using simplistic terms, but this is how I understand it). I don't know how to release the interrupts. However, I do know that, if you have (in your mscustom.ini is fine) the command that directly tells Kermit what port to send it to (the x3f8 thing - I don't remember the syntax until I need to use it myself :> ), it should work anyhow. But making Windows release the com port would be hte best bet. I don't know how to, unfortunately. How far am I off, everyone? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 13:11:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 22:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-4 bug fix, announcement Message-Id: <1994Oct14.191139.29993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 19:11:39 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-4 14 Oct 94 of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 cures a nasty bug: Kermit will hang in an infinite loop if parity is set to other than NONE. Cause was a problem in the new Connect mode status line. Thanks to Bert Tyler, again, for spotting this early. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 00:50:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:18:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:18:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: Re: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock? Message-Id: <1994Oct15.005026.14436@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 94 00:50:26 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct13.102829.29768@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <1994Oct13.124324.19422@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) writes: >> I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link >> from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included >> telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit >> over this TCP connection. >> >> Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14? >------------ > I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure >Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying >the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing. >Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support >program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol > Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not >a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and >used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit >protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not >associated with winsock. Thanks for the technical info, Joe. I had used Kermit over other TCP links by having it talk to the packet driver, but these drivers were always loaded under DOS. Since there were "shims" to convert between different interfaces specs, I was hoping there was either something that would make WinSock look like what Kermit needs, or that the Kermit protocol stack could be redirected somehow to go through WinSock. The TCP stack from NetManage is implemented as a Windows DLL, so I can see why it would not be accessible to a program like Kermit that is running in the DOS box. Thanks anyway. I will definitely continue to use Kermit for serial communications and for communication through TCP/IP limks that use packet drivers. --Mike Ciaraldi From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:13:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:21:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Oct 1994 23:21:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!nisevjo-slip1.nosc.mil!astewart From: astewart@arabian.sias.nosc.mil (Alan Stewart) Subject: Emulating odd terminal types Message-Id: Lines: 17 Sender: news@nosc.mil (Network News) Organization: NISE West X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 04:13:31 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types besides the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I think others will come up in the future. I know I could construct one but it would be nice to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap entries. -------------------------------------------------------------------- | Alan Stewart >-O-< Electronics Engineer | | Code 221 ~ ~ SHF SATCOM | | NISE West ~ ~ Software Support | | Bldg 509 ( ~ ~ ) U.S. Navy | | Vallejo, CA 94592 __|___ ___|__ Mare Island | | (707)646-8931 \____/ \____/ astewart@mare.nosc.mil | ------------------WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:02:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with 3.14 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:02:26 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it. Any suggestions? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:05:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:10:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pushing to dos and back again Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:05:26 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 6 Message-Id: <6KrdkuqcZBPH072yn@primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When you exit back from DOS to kermit, you have to hit a key, why? Ckermit for os/2 does not need this. Can we please make this consistant for macro writing reasons please? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:38:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:40:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 00:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: still a problem with beta 3 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 21:38:29 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-Id: <5prdkuqcZVH4072yn@primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am still getting my modem to hang up while it dials if I drop to dos. Maybe I want to check something while it is still waiting to connect. I am not using the dial script command rather I am using atdt commands withn connect mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 17:11:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:13:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:13:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation question Message-Id: <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 94 23:11:23 MDT References: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu>, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does > its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method > is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried > MS-Kermit 3.13. > It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen. > Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several > occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's) > has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed > these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok. > Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have > this problem. > Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics > command set is not supported. Is this related? > > -- > --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org ----------- ReGIS, as you probably know, is vastly different, and just plain vast, than Tektronix graphics. If your applications program is generating ReGIS commands then MS-DOS Kermit will not understand them. Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus I suggest having a little talk with it. I have no information about Tekterm, and you didn't say what it did vs what MSK did vs what the host asked to be done. Hence I'll pass on this item unless you have something to add here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 14 18:04:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 03:13:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 00:04:01 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > Hi, > > When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the > original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed > the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it. > Any suggestions? > -------- Yes, don't do that. There is no operational patch file during BETA testing. This is not release code yet. As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind of a macro. Hints are welcome. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 02:44:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:15:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:15:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:44:21 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk wrote: >In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >>are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >>something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >>I'm trying to make a plot. >> >>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole chunks of characters. I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to reboot my computer to stop it. I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's something else. >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w >problem not a handshake problem. I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. Any ideas? Joe? Thanks in advance, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 14:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 10:26:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!gisbert From: gisbert@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Gisbert W. Selke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with 3.14 Date: 15 Oct 1994 14:26:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37ooqf$j5b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct15.000401.30011@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea >what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind >of a macro. Hints are welcome. I think it is this: when in CONNECT mode and you do Alt-P or Alt-H - P or whatever to get to the command prompt, then enter EXIT to return to your session, Kermit prompts you with "Press space to continue ..." (at least, it has done so since many generations). It does *not* do so when PUSHing from Kermit's commdn line, btw! While the usefulness of this may be argued, it certainly has nothing to do with macro writing, since you cannot use a macro to something in connect mode, drop to DOS, have the macro talk to DOS, then re-connect *all macro-driven* etc. \Gisbert WIdO, Bonn, Germany From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:22:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!swalton From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Amiga C Kermit is available Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:22:20 GMT Organization: Cal State Northridge, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37ovjs$kta@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd just like to point out, briefly, that Amiga C Kermit 5A(190) is available for beta test on watsun in kermit/test/bin/ckiker.exe. It has the same Amiga console (ANSI) terminal emulation as before, but many bugs have been fixed and the DIAL, SCRIPT and RESEND commands now work. Bug reports can be mailed directly to me. Please install CKERMIT.INI and CKERMOD.INI in S: before using it. So far, the silence from Amiga C Kermit users has been deafening :-) . -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Oh no, not another one."---Heard frequently swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:39:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:39:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:39:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:39:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 178 Message-Id: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > chunks of characters. > I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the way to the printer. > I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or > I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my > Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to > the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, > with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to > reboot my computer to stop it. > This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate. > I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not > working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory > total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow > control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's > something else. > Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host application. The printer should be a parallel printer. DOS handles parallel printers very nicely, because the parallel interface has a flow-control ("busy") wire, and the DOS print driver pays attention to it. If you have a serial printer, all bets are off. (There are printer drivers for serial printers that provide Xon/Xoff -- one such driver is on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, but it's primitive and supports only COM1 -- if anybody wants to take a shot at beefing it up, let me know.) When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send it to the printer. If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help. That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself lose incoming data? There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control. Reason (1) was mentioned above. If you have a slow disk and the disk driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port interrupts are disabled. Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to have this problem (but there are no guarantees). Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit. You say your modem does not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff. So you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff". The rest of this discussion involves Xon/Xoff flow control, so those of you who are able to use hardware flow control -- which is always preferred and recommended -- can stop reading now. Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just like a game of catch. The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S (Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters. Who and where is the other player? (What if there IS no other player? The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled. If not, then after you throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!) The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error: propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors with distance. To illustrate, suppose you have 2400bps dialup connection, but (for some reason) there is a one-second propogation delay, or "reaction time" to an Xoff -- assuming it gets through at all (i.e. was not corrupted by noise). The printer tells the printer driver it is not ready for more data. Kermit finds out about this and sends an Xoff to the host. Meanwhile, since it will be a full second before the host receives and reacts to the Xoff, then up to 240 more characters might already be on the way to be printer. If any buffer between the host and the printer has less than that much room left, characters will be lost. So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay: Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow control "upstream". Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff". Since your modem is the device that is closest to the PC's serial port, then that would be where Kermit's partner in the "game of catch" should be positioned. BUT ONLY IF the modem has a way to tell the other modem to tell the "thing" that the other modem is attached to (etc etc...) to turn the flow of data off and on. This can be done in two ways. Error-correcting modems, i.e. those supporting protocols such as MNP, V.42, or PEP, can send flow-control protocol messages to each other (but then, these also support hardware flow control, so this is not relevant here). Some non-error-correcting modems have an option for "local Xon/Xoff flow control with pass-through" -- meaning that if they receive an Xoff signal from the PC, they will stop sending data to the PC (until they receive an Xon from the PC), and they will also pass the Xoff signal to the other modem, for delivery to the "thing that the modem is connected to". Both of these methods, of course, requires some buffering capacity in the modem (read your modem manual), and they also require cooperation from beyond the remote modem. What is the remote modem connected to? Let's say it's a terminal server. This is a good situation for us, because if we can set up flow control between Kermit and the terminal server, then the network protocol between the terminal server and whatever is "behind" it (network, host, operating system, application, etc) will take care of flow control (and error correction, and all the rest) for us -- these are features of terminal-server protocols such as TELNET, RLOGIN, and LAT. When you first make the connection to the terminal server and you see its prompt, give it a command to enable Xon/Xoff flow control. Of course the exact form of this command depends on the terminal server. Here are some examples: Cisco: terminal flow soft Annex (Xylogics): stty iflow xonxoff oflow xonxoff This will give you the most effective possible flow control on connection, but it won't be perfect. Xon and Xoff are ordinary data characters, subject to corruption by noise, which can result in deadlocks (when Xon is lost) or buffer overflows (when Xoff is lost). If you have a clean connection, though, then response should be quick and effective. The price you pay is the inability to use Xon and Xoff as ordinary data characters. This is important for EMACS users (Ctrl-S is used in Search and Save commands, Ctrl-Q is used in Quote and other commands), and it also prevents the use of file transfer protocols like X- and Ymodem, and probably also Zmodem unless you give it some special tweaking. But Kermit transfers will work fine (unless you have gone out of your way to "unprefix" Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Q and/or their 8-bit counterparts). Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther upstream, for example, at the host operating system. If you are connected directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice anyway. But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly. To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like: stty ixon ixoff -ixany In VMS, the commands are: set terminal /hostsync /ttsync /noreadsync On IBM Series/1, 4994, 7171 and similar 3270 protocol converters that provide dialup access to IBM mainframe full-screen sessions, Xon/Xoff flow control is generally a built-in feature that can't be disabled. > >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and > >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w > >problem not a handshake problem. > > I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file > transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try > packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. > You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file later, using the DOS PRINT command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 16:43:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:43:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 12:43:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulating odd terminal types Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:43:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <37p0rn$qf2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article astewart@arabian.sias.nosc.mil (Alan Stewart) writes: > Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types > besides the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I > think others will come up in the future. I know I could construct one > but it would be nice to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap > entries. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, announced yesterday for Beta testing, includes Wyse 50 terminal emulation. Wyse 60 in "Wyse mode" is the same as Wyse 50. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Note that terminal emulation is a lot more than a matter of what the keys send. In Kermit, you can make the keys send whatever you want them to using the SET KEY command. But there also has to be code within the program itself to parse and act upon incoming escape sequences, which are different for each kind of terminal: DEC, Data General, Wyse, Tektronix, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 04:19:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 10:19:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article , > B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk wrote: > >>In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU (Ron Ratzlaff) writes: > >>>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >>>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >>>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >>>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >>>are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >>>something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable when >>>I'm trying to make a plot. >>> >>>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters? > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > chunks of characters. > > I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or > I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my > Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to > the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, > with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to > reboot my computer to stop it. > > I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not > working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory > total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow > control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's > something else. ------------- Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other information you think might be important. Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix box? There should be no packet length difficulties with a straight modem to modem, machine to machine, connection provided flow control is active at *all* points. I appreciate it is difficult to know what's on the remote system. The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the PC, whatnot. 640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program). If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded memory. Expanded memory via software must pin down where the expanded memory 64KB frame buffer is located, and that is something each user must attend to. Please don't use A000-BFFF since that's the domain of the video system. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 17:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:15:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:15:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.0 Date: 15 Oct 1994 17:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <37p2n3$s2t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anybody out there running AIX 4.1.0? If you are willing to check out C-Kermit on it, please send me email. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 17:18:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:36:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 13:36:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts Date: 15 Oct 1994 17:18:36 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 92 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37p2tc$8th@knot.queensu.ca> References: <37jv25$8nk@knot.queensu.ca> <37mgri$4e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to fdc for his responses. In the following, any line prefixed by two > is from my original post, one > is from Frank's reply, 0 > is new from me. |> It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case, |> and it will probably have the desired effect. Since you have access to a |> modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the |> results back to me. I'd also like to see a session log of a manual |> dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular |> Hayes modems. I'll contact the two users that I know had this problem and ask them to create a session log. One was a GVC 9600, the other a 9600 "Hayes compatible" CompuDyne (sp?). |> > I find the noise level of the scripts irritating... |> A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14 |> cycle... |> > The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled |> > by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts. |> Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level |> rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is |> opaque to many users. Too late for 3.14. My complaints are minor and fit into the "gee, I wish ..." category. Not to belabour the point, I don't expect or require my users to understand Kermit variables. Instead, I give them a KCONFIG utility that asks various questions about their modem, etc. and edits their MSCUSTOM.INI file for them. I changed all the dialing scripts to use variables and so KCONFIG can also tailor the redial mechanism via MSCUSTOM.INI. |> > The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none... |> > |> Yes they should. The trick is for them to restore the desired parity... Great! Sounds like 3.14 gives me what I need. |> |> > Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE |> > speed as high as the modem will allow. I may be on shaky ground here |> > but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems. |> > |> Why? If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible |> response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we |> can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest |> dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed? |> |> > And |> > for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing |> > directory be respected. |> > |> Could you please explain? If we are talking about error-correcting |> modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed |> that is negotiated between the two modems. Admittedly I do not understand all the complexities here although I do understand the difference between interface speed and modulation speed, thanks in large part to your great explanations in the original Kermit book. My observation is that on a 7/e/1 connection to an aging PACX that fronts a Series/1 interface to our IBM mainframe, increasing the DTE<->DCE speed *decreased* the file transfer rate. If memory serves correctly this was a problem on uploads only. And I have no doubt that there are plenty of other situations outside my experience that may require a less optimistic assumption than if the modem can go at 57600 let's ignore the DIALUPS.TXT table. Respecting the table makes it so much easier for unusual situations, and (apologies in advance for being presumptuous) is in keeping with the Kermit philosophy of making it work first and making it fast second. |> |> > In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge |> > that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's. (Probably a |> > vain hope.) |> > |> Not at all! As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and |> adding new ones. Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven... That would be really great! I've thought about doing that myself but so far my experience with modems makes me skeptical that I could really make it work. I even wonder if a better approach might be to hack HAYES.SCR so that the user could simply define a prefix string for his/her modem. For some of my users this may well be a good approach, e.g., because they already see an initialization string that "works" for their modem in another comm program. On the other hand, it also makes it very easy for somebody to shoot themselves in the foot so I'd probably just exchange one set of problems for another. |> |> And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release. Thanks again. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 18:25:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:25:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:25:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!news-server!hagar From: hagar@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 15 Oct 1994 18:25:16 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> <37m5bq$1re@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulam.engin.umich.edu In-Reply-To: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu's message of 14 Oct 1994 14:42:02 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>> In article , >>> wrote: >>> |Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM >>> |hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high >>> |speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using >>> |2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with >>> |the 14k4 modem not. >>> Same problem here as well. I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an >>> Intel external 14.4k modem. I have a similar problem on a Zeinth Z 425S+ running Windows 3.1, MsKermit 3.13 patch level 12, with Intel internal 14.4 modem on Com 2, but it only happens sometimes; most of the time its just fine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Paul Holloway |e-mail: hagar@umich.edu | URL: http://www.engin.umich.edu/~hagar/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 18:38:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:21:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:21:57 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!survis.surfnet.nl!Xander.Jansen From: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") In-Reply-To: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Sender: jansen@SURFnet.nl Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Phone: +31 30 310290 Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Address: "Cluetinckborch, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Telefax: +31 30 340903 Organization: SURFnet bv References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:38:10 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 15 Oct 1994, Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article jhurwit@netcom.com > (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > > > > I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix > > account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a > > print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' > > I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole > > chunks of characters. > > > I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective > means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface > along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the > way to the printer. For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91: ----- Changes since pine 3.90. Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all) of the problems reported with version 3.90. IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the new feature: "preserve-start-stop-characters" . This is needed whenever your printer, modem, or async communications program is configured to use software flow control. Note that setting this feature will result in Pine appearing to "hang" if you accidentally type a ^S. The remedy for this situation is to type a ^Q. ----- Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation discussed (but you never know ;), it might help others using Pine and being plagued by missing characters when printing 'attached-to-ansi' or having other flow control pains. Pine 3.91 can be fetched from ftp.cac.washington.edu, directory pine. Xander - This message was brought to you via MSK 3.14 Beta3 and Pine 3.91 ;-) From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 19:29:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:29:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 15:29:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Semicolons Date: 15 Oct 1994 19:29:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <37pajf$6kd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Luigi M Bianchi wrote: > I have set up the new version. Very good! Congratulations and, once > again, thank you for a job really well done, and for your continuing > generosity in releasing this marvelous software free of charge. > Thanks for the nice words. > And now for a little change (bug?) I noticed. The final couple of lines > in my mscustom.ini are: > > menu; > version; > > These used to work fine with 3.13. With 3.14 I must remove the ";" > or else an error message appears: '"menu;" not usable here'. > Not a bug, but a new feature, mentioned in section 19 of the KERMIT.UPD file. Trailing comments must have a space or tab before the semicolon. Before this change, it was very difficult to put a semicolon in a string, such as "get $disk0:foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;1;2;3;8;9;15c" -- all sorts of difficult quoting was needed, which varied with the macro/variable nesting level. Now we can write such items without any quoting at all, as long as there is no space before the semicolon. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 08:03:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:13:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 17:13:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation question Message-Id: <1994Oct15.140321.30029@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 14:03:21 MDT References: <37n1p3$b6d@eis.calstate.edu> <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct14.231123.30006@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the > screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus > I suggest having a little talk with it. Um, Joe, my Tek 4006 doesn't clear the screen unless you send it . A by itself doesn't do anything. -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 09:41:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:12:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 18:12:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK beta-5, announcement Message-Id: <1994Oct15.154115.30036@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 15:41:15 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-5 15 Oct 1994 of MS-DOS Kermit has several fixes for problems reported over the past twenty four hours. ESC character in \m(blah did not complete the name of the macro properly. The fix now allows ESC word-completion within \fxxx functions which take a macro name as an argument. Typing ^U at the Kermit prompt to erase the whole command line left a remanent which could be seen by typing BS. Goto label could find a label which was longer than the target but otherwise had the same spelling up to the match point. Beta-5 will be on kermit.columbia.edu Saturday evening or sooner. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 10:21:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:12:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:12:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK beta-5, more bugs fixed Message-Id: <1994Oct15.162101.30039@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 16:21:01 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Addendeum to the MSK beta-5 bug list fixes: SET EXIT WARNING is back to having a space between EXIT and WARNING. This will be changed to individual keywords in a day or so. Command EXIT now does not continue in a current Take file; it gets out all the way and exits Kermit (invoking macro on_exit if it exists). Tektronix command Control-L (Form Feed, FF) clears screen. I've commented it out just now. This command has been one of two screen clearing commands (the other is ESC ^L) for years and years with no complaints from anyone. I'm not sure of its heritage since Tek 4010 is implemented with sundry variations by many vendors. If you are happy and things don't break otherwise we will leave it out. We have a short list of more involved suggestions to consider and possibly implement, and that will take a day or two to finish. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 19:15:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:34:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:34:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ad891 From: ad891@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Thorsteinson) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Message-Id: Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin) Reply-To: ad891@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Thorsteinson) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet References: <37li8m$d57@garuda.csulb.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 19:15:56 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) says: > I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu. Now >everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up. Seem like it drop DTR when >you go to DOS for some reason. 3.13 doesn't do this. Can anyone >enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much. > I have the same problem with 3.13 patch level 13. I got around it by switching hangup on DTR off on the Modem. /Bill Thorsteinson From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 00:06:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:07:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 20:07:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 00:06:55 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 13:10:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 22:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Oct 1994 22:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 94 19:10:17 MDT References: <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might > get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, > and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? -------- Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the sources appear at release time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 05:20:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:22:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:22:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:20:05 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 36 Message-Id: <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >-------- > Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >sources appear at release time. > Joe D. > Joe, You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would support that version of FOSSIL that was available. For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. Basically, I just wanted to know if you thought it might be worth the try. I'll read the documentation and fiddle with it if you think it may work. Also keep in mind the version. I have no idea how backwardly compatible your implementation was intended to be. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 05:23:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:47:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:47:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 05:23:42 GMT Lines: 15 Message-Id: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu G'day, I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as [12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ? Regards, Bi`nh -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson FAX: (61-9) 244 4726 (Perth, Australia) Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 08:09:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 04:09:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 04:09:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!htnguyen From: htnguyen@csulb.edu (One from the West) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH Date: 16 Oct 1994 08:09:03 GMT Organization: Cal State Long Beach Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37qn2v$dt2@garuda.csulb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: grover.cecs.csulb.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you all for replying It is actually something caused by kermit. I have download a newer version of 3.14 and it work fine now. Still trying 3.14 :) -- Huy Nguyen (htnguyen@csulb.edu) Network Administrator Career Development Center Califonia State Univeristy Long Beach From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 10:08:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 06:10:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 06:10:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Date: 16 Oct 1994 10:08:52 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Message-Id: <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or : comp.protocols.kermit.announce. I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1). -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 14:49:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:49:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:49:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:49:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <37rehv$f64@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or > reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, > such as [12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still > appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ? > Evidently PINE, and apparently also your newsreader, turn off flow control. Thus, if they are sending stuff faster than the PC can process, the PC sends an Xoff flow control signal to stop the flow while it catches up, and this signal is ignored. Workarounds: (a) Tell the host application NOT to turn off flow control. Reportedly, the command for this in PINE is "preserve-start-stop-characters". I don't know about your newsreader; (b) switch to hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control if your modem supports it -- it probably does. Solution (b) is preferable. See the long discussion of Xon/Xoff flow control in yesterday's postings to this group. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 14:54:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:54:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 10:54:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 16 Oct 1994 14:54:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <37reqn$fg1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking > if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether > there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would > support that version of FOSSIL that was available. > I can't say anything definitive here, not having seen a Z100 for a looooong time, but there is more to running the IBM version of Kermit on a Z100 than redirecting COM and console i/o through the BIOS. There are probably thousands of other IBM-specific actions taken by the IBM PC version of MS-DOS Kermit relating to the memory layout, video BIOS, interrupt vectors, keyboard, networks, and so on. In particular, I would not expect the IBM PC terminal emulation code to run on a non-IBM compatible PC. But I suppose it's always worth a try :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 03:17:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:13:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:13:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct16.091703.30066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 09:17:03 MDT References: <37k7db$fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qu3k$kp5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or > : comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > > I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT > directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1). > > -- > Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, > Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk ------ Earl, That's a gesture sure to save some bandwidth across the pond. Please note that the files will change daily (hourly) as we digest all the comments coming in. If testers with reports will please grab the latest beta before reporting a problem then it will save some time too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 03:30:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:16:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 12:16:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 09:30:06 MDT References: <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>> >>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>-------- >> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>sources appear at release time. >> Joe D. >> > > Joe, > You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking > if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether > there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would > support that version of FOSSIL that was available. > > For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the > Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places > where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting > programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let > the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. > > So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen > and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. -------- Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then please let me know. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 17:23:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:23:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 13:23:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 19 Message-Id: <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson wrote: |I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading |news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as |[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the |top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o I sure as heck don't speak for Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New Columbia University/New York City | Yorkers, or anyone else at all From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 20:06:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:11:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 16:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why no mouse suuport?? Date: 16 Oct 1994 20:06:38 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win? this would be very benificial! I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste! -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ * * * * * * tflynn@iastate.edu * * * * * * * @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 07:39:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:14:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:14:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Message-Id: <1994Oct16.133931.30076@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 13:39:31 MDT References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson > wrote: > |I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading > |news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as > |[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the > |top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > > I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 > on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET > SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't > fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow > control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data > overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. > It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, > and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. ---------- Serial port overruns yield a Control-G surrogate for one or more characters lost at the serial port. Consequences of this are control sequences, such as above, are fractured and show as text on the screen. Overruns occur if the port interrupts can't be serviced fast enough (the system is blocking interrupts for too long). Simple serial port buffer overlaps occur if the other side does not stop sending before the Kermit internal circular receive buffer fills; no Control-G's here. Both are out of the hands of Kermit and indeed a faster machine or tighter flow control through the entire system are called for. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 21:51:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:52:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 17:52:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.net!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:51:53 -0400 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 42 Message-Id: <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson > wrote: >|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading >|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as >|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the >|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. > >I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 >on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET >SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't >fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow >control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data >overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. >It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, >and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at higher port speeds no matter what UART they have. I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text, even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my local provider. Your mileage may vary........ Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 22:46:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:29:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 19:29:34 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@rahul.net (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:46:17 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ken Udut (kudut@ritz.mordor.com) wrote: : There is another option. While displaying the cursor position isn't : practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions. I have used grabtext with good success with MSKermit, with two caveats. It does not work with NCSA Telnet. It collides with WordPerfect for DOS, but not other graphics programs. It should "disable itself" when a program tries to use the mouse, but WP doesn't play well with it. Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117 Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/ grbtxt12.zip B 9220 920826 Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 11:20:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Message-Id: <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 17:20:16 MDT References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 > on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET > SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't > fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow > control. One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While the modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the modem that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232 guys thought that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 11:21:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:33:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why no mouse suuport?? Message-Id: <1994Oct16.172140.30097@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 17:21:40 MDT References: <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37s14e$pr5@news.iastate.edu>, tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > > > Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win? > > this would be very benificial! > > I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to > see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste! --------- Text mode screens aren't like graphics mode screens. Kermit is not X windows. X windows has a whole protocol section on sending mice reports back and forth between host and client. Mice and VTxxx style text mode screens mix poorly in practice and the results hardly justify the program complexity, memory, and user docs explanations. If you have a mouse program which does all this for you then that's great. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 15:26:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:54:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 20:54:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC Date: 16 Oct 94 20:26:14 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored). This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen. PC: Packard-Bell 386-sx Modem: Practical Peripherals PM144MT II. Dos: Novell Dos 7.0 By setting Debug Session, I can caputure the sequences without the lockup. The offending sequences seem to be: ^[[H^[[2J This happens both on dialin to a unix machine, and a Dec Terminal server. MSK 3.13 does not have this problem. This also happened in 3.14 beta-3. Am I really doing something strange (other than using Novell 7.0)? Gerry Belanger Work email: gerryb@microvation.com. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 00:49:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:09:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:09:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!braver From: braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Date: 17 Oct 1994 00:49:32 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 91 Message-Id: <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: magnolia.cs.berkeley.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:759 comp.dcom.modems:68285 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU >(Michael Braverman) writes: >> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal >> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the >> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport >> specific dialing script... >> > Stuff from Frank deleted... I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your time. I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my initial query, but without luck. I have identified two problems with the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script). Problem 1: After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script): 1 hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR 2 pause 1 ; for one second 3 set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. 4 if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. 5 echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). 6 :INIT 7 output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes 8 chkok {Can't get modem's attention} The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention". I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON, but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off. If I add a "wait 5 DSR" before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without difficulty past the error check in line 8. Question: What exactly is Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long? It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default, is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON setting). Problem 2: Later in the script we have the following lines: 1 output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13 2 chkok {Can't initialize modem} 3 output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control 4 chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem 5 wait 5 cts 6 if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} 7 set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now 8 output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = ... 9 chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} Everything is fine until line 9, which always gives the error message "Can't enable modulation fallback". The problem seems to stem from command in line 7 to enable flow control. If I put a "show comm" after line 7, kermit claims that both DSR and CTS are ON, so that's not the problem. If I put a "pause 5" after line 7 or if I comment out line 7 altogether, then the rest of the script continues on without any difficulty. Thus, there seems to be some sort of timing problem with the sending of an AT command to the modem directly after enabling Kermit's hardware flow control. General Comments: I would like to thank everyone who earlier sent suggestions about my modem/kermit woes. A popular suggestion was to add a line like: set output pacing 200 at the beginning of the script. Unfortunately, this was of no help (I even set the delay as high as 400) in either the original script or the newer one. At this point, I have the script working by adding the waits and pauses mentioned above, but I'd still like to hear from anyone with an Internal Dataport who has or doesn't have these types of difficulties so I would be able to confirm whether this is a hardware problem with the modem problem or just some strange problem with kermit and/or my computer. Thanks again for the help, Michael Braverman braver@cs.berkeley.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 01:03:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:30:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 21:30:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!world!zilker.net!icus!wiz.com!marc From: marc@wiz.com (Marc Wiz) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Message-Id: Organization: Wizywyg Software Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 01:03:04 GMT References: Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17184 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4057 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:760 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >In article , >David Scholten wrote: >>This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this. But I >>am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial >>out from my BSDI 1.1 based box. The problems are similar in nature: >> > >If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port >please tell me! :-) Patches are available for Taylor 1.05 to use BSDI's bidirectional port locking mechanism. I have Taylor 1.05 running on my BSDI box with no problem. Now if only I can dig up the patches. Marc -- Marc marc@wiz.com Yes, that really is my last name. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 13:07:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:15:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 22:15:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, expanded memory notes Message-Id: <1994Oct16.190729.30110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 19:07:29 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A note to beta testers of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. I've received a number of comments about hangups when entering terminal emulation mode or rolling back a screen. So far as I can ascertain almost all of them are associated with using expanded memory to hold rollback screens. That's expanded (paged stuff) not extended. By default MSK 3.14 uses expanded memory if it is available; 3.13 used the other default. It is vital that the expanded memory page frame, all 64KB of it, be located where it will not interfere with other memory usage. The way to do that is tell your memory manager where to place it, usually with a frame= command line option. Don't put it in video memory, seg A000-BFFF. Don't assume the manager will pick a safe spot. Windows users must do the same, no matter what you said at DOS level, by lines such as these in system.ini [386Enh]: EMMPageFrame=EC00 <<< expanded mem page frame EMMExclude=C000-C007 <<< protecting stuff from managers EMMExclude=CE00-CFFF EMMExclude=A000-BFFF Notice the specific memory exclusions to protect things, such as lan adapter boards with shared memory. Microsoft's MSD or Quarterdeck's MFT can show memory layout. To see if expanded memory is your problem give the Kermit command SET TERM EXPANDED OFF before starting a Connect mode session. The rollback buffers will then be located in conventional 640K memory (at 4KB per screen). We have at least one case on record where a memory manager offered expanded memory services but did not offer a page frame for it. That's rather silly. Beta-6 will check for this case and decline to use expanded memory if it occurs. Memory management is the user's responsibility, and some practice is needed to get the most from it. I don't have the time to diagnose mem managers by remote control, so I wish you luck with the chore. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 18:05:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:08:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Oct 1994 23:08:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!yale!yale!wcsub.ctstateu.edu!belanger002 From: belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC Date: 16 Oct 94 23:05:46 EST Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1994Oct16.230546.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> References: <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct16.202614.1@wcsub.ctstateu.edu>, belanger002@wcsub.ctstateu.edu writes: > I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc > to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored). > This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen. After reading jrd's post on expanded memory, I tried SET TERM EXPANDED OFF and I no longer lock up. Gerry Belanger From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 16 15:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:13:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:13:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem Message-Id: <1994Oct16.213830.30116@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 94 21:38:30 MDT References: <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37shms$d0k@agate.berkeley.edu>, braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Braverman) writes: > In article <37hqf9$o7g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <37hm8c$s79@agate.berkeley.edu> braver@magnolia.CS.Berkeley.EDU >>(Michael Braverman) writes: >>> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal >>> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem. I am surprised by this since the >>> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport >>> specific dialing script... >>> >> Stuff from Frank deleted... > > I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If > this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your > time. > > I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my > initial query, but without luck. I have identified two problems with > the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of > problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script). > > Problem 1: > > After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the > following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for > reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script): > > 1 hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR > 2 pause 1 ; for one second > 3 set speed 57600 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. > 4 if fail set speed 38400 ; If not, use 38400. > 5 echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line). > 6 :INIT > 7 output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes > 8 chkok {Can't get modem's attention} > > The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention". > I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause > in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON, > but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off. If I add a "wait 5 DSR" > before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without > difficulty past the error check in line 8. Your modem is responsible for driving DSR and CTS to the computer. > Question: What exactly is > Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long? > It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default, > is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I > used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON > setting). Hangup drops DTR. To ensure that the port is accessible it may have to first fire up the port. It then drops DTR and shuts down the port. Query commands can reinitialize the port while obtaining information. A guess on all of this is your particular modem may really want considerable delays between these tramautic operations. To try to help some within Kermit I did more adjustments to the serial port startup code to treat the system as gently as I can (while applying the 2x4 needed by some mules^H^H^H^H^Hmodems); this will appear in beta-6 Monday. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 04:16:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:18:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 00:18:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 17 Oct 1994 04:16:35 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 57 Message-Id: <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu> References: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >> >> In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> >>>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>>> >>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>>-------- >>> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>>sources appear at release time. >>> Joe D. >>> >> >> Joe, >> You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking >> if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether >> there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would >> support that version of FOSSIL that was available. >> >> For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the >> Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places >> where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting >> programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let >> the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. >> >> So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen >> and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. >-------- > Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, >but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up >the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come >even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. > Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic >program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then >please let me know. > Joe D. > I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you stated with the Z100. I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you have answered the question. Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 09:15:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 05:18:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 05:17:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1994 09:15:11 GMT Organization: None Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? The reason I am asking about this is that I am developing a Text mode windowing system. Currently it works with the mouse on my Linux console using the `selection' program which is able to respnd with button press information. I would sure like to see MS-Kermit support this as well. In addition, the latest version of my JED editor supports the mouse on character cell terminals in this manner and I would like to recommend kermit for this. Thanks, -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 14:32:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 06:33:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 06:33:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!imada!ravn From: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) Subject: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Message-Id: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 14:32:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it. I would very much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit? Thanks in advance. -- Thorbjxrn Ravn Andersen "...and...Tubular Bells!" ravn@imada.ou.dk From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 12:50:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:16:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:16:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen References: <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:50:31 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37s79p$sfn@mercury.interpath.net> puff@mercury.interpath.net (Pat Fogarty) writes: >In article <37rnie$nuj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Yeechang Lee wrote: >>In article <37qdcuINNfjb@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>, Binh Anson >> wrote: >>|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading >>|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as >>|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the >>|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling. >> >>I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5 >>on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET >>SPEED 57600. And yes, I'm using rts/cts. My XT, apparently, just isn't >>fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow >>control. I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data >>overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k. My solution? SET SPEED 19200. >>It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer, >>and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k. > > > >I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I >bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended >fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at >higher port speeds no matter what UART they have. > >I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text, >even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my >local provider. > > >Your mileage may vary........ > > > >Pat I have a 286/16 at home (I'll be upgrading to a Tandy 1000 RLX, which is a 286/10, but FAR more dependable than this generic clone which always doesn't like working right :-> ) My USR 14.4 works fantastic set at 38400, but tends to lose characters at 57600. One thing ALWAYS to remember with faster modems (which I've learned after paying attention to settings!) is: Use RTS/CTS if your faster modem supports it!!! XON/XOFF will cause you to lose chunks of text! And you may not notice it when scanning quickly through news, not paying much attention! Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 14:09:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:09:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:09:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:09:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <37u0ht$65h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct16.172016.30096@cc.usu.edu> ivie@cc.usu.edu writes: > One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While > the modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the > modem that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232 > guys thought that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data. > Hardware flow control as we know it today is, indeed, not described in RS-232-C, which dates from the 1960s. However, there have been (I think) two later revisions: D and E. I don't have a copy of the newer one(s) handy, but I believe that we now have separate definitions for RTS and CTS depending on whether we have a full-duplex or half-duplex connection. In common usage today, on full-duplex connections, RTS is a signal from the computer (DTE) to the modem (DCE) saying "I am ready to receive". In fact, I think that RTS is now called RTR (Ready to Receive) in this context. This is backwards from its original definition "Request to Send". CTS is a signal from the modem to the computer saying "Clear to Send", i.e. "I am ready to receive". I'm not certain about the exact progression of events, but I imagine that it became clear to modem manufacturers as soon as error-correcting modems hit the streets that these modems could not be used effectively without wire-level flow control signals in BOTH directions, and I think that practice preceded the standard. As a side note, in the "early days" of hardware flow control, we had some manufacturers using different wires; thus you will occasionally see references to DTR/CD, DTR/CTS, etc. But to add confusion, even in places where bidirectional, RTS/CTS, "hardware" flow control is indicated, it is not always implemented correctly. For example, certain UNIX terminal device drivers only implement it in one direction; similarly for certain models of terminal servers. Modern modems, however, *should* implement it bidirectionally, and so does MS-DOS Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 02:18:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:27:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 12:27:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Oct17.081856.30143@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Oct 94 08:18:55 MDT References: <1994Oct16.093006.30067@cc.usu.edu> <1994Oct15.191017.30052@cc.usu.edu> <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu> <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37str3$aut@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: > > In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >>In article <37qd65$a1g@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>> >>> In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >>> >>>>In article <37pqqv$2ae@news.ysu.edu>, am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) writes: >>>>> >>>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might >>>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard, >>>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer? >>>>-------- >>>> Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100 >>>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are >>>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the >>>>sources appear at release time. >>>> Joe D. >>>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking >>> if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether >>> there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would >>> support that version of FOSSIL that was available. >>> >>> For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the >>> Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places >>> where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting >>> programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let >>> the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL. >>> >>> So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen >>> and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL. >>-------- >> Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too, >>but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up >>the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come >>even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit. >> Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic >>program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then >>please let me know. >> Joe D. >> > > I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem > cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out > the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET > communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such > a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority > as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you > stated with the Z100. > > I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you > have answered the question. > > Thank you. --------------- You are correct, I certainly don't realize what the FIDONET situation is with non-PC compatibles etc. Maybe you could put some realistic numbers in here. As far as using Fossil as a PC Bios replacement that is unrealistic, not to mention that MSK is not restrained to the PC Bios. What would be better is for volunteers to write the code to run MSK on the host machine directly. Please tell us more. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 13:16:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:16:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 13:16:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!RWR-PHYSIOL.MED.UPENN.EDU!RATZLAFF From: RATZLAFF@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ron Ratzlaff) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:32:19 Organization: Dep't Physiol., University of Pennsylvania Lines: 59 Message-Id: References: <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rwr-physiol.med.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37kb7t$6mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) >Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through" >Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT >In article RATZLAFF@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU >(Ron Ratzlaff) writes: >> I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX. I have >> Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions. The problem >> is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to >> make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters >> are missing from the resulting print out. There appears to be >> something wrong in the handshake somewhere. It is especially noticeable >> when I'm trying to make a plot. >> >What kind of printer is it? Is it a serial or parallel printer? Is it >a graphics printer? >Parallel printers should not lose characters. It is possible, however, >that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means >of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled. The latter is >much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS >system, which does not support Xon/Xoff. What is the remote modem >connected to? A VAX port? A LAT box? Some other kind of terminal >server? >Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics >printer driver installed? >As you can see, there are many variables here. But in general the key is >to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY >POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver >the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port, >the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the >two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected >connection). And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC). >As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control. >Who said data communication was easy? >- Frank Frank, I am not connected via any kind of serial interface - not modem (not SLIP) and not a direct serial line. The connection is entirely via the Ethernet here at my institution. The reason I use Kermit is because I can download files using the Kermit protocol while maintaining my ethernet (TCP/IP) connection. Its very handy because most mainframes around here only support Kermit for file transfers. I agree, the problem may be outside of Kermit's control but I thought maybe I was doing something wrong. Will try to speak to the VAX gurus about it. Thanks for your suggestions..... Ron From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 03:44:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:47:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:47:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Oct 94 09:44:59 MDT References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: > Hi, > > What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? > By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond > with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult to parse properly in normal environments. > represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect > drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to > implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting > mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible > with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape > sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator" (on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no). MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information exchange between them. I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:35:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:35:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 16:35:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1994 20:35:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <37un6d$lui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> Hi, >> >> What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? >> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond >> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a >proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult >to parse properly in normal environments. > >> represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position. I do not expect >> drag informations, etc... This seems to be something pretty easy to >> implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting >> mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences. If this is not possible >> with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape >> sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it? > > There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending >bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while >waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information >from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far >there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator" >(on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no). > MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data >General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information >exchange between them. > I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute >the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer. > Joe D. OS/2 C-Kermit supports mouse actions while in terminal mode. The problem with accidental mouse events being sent are handled in two ways: (1) SET TERMINAL MOUSE {ON,OFF} (2) Only supporting double click mouse actions These were deemed sufficient to prevent accidental transmissions. OS/2 C-Kermit supports four functions: (1) Cursor positioning using Arrow key equivalents (2) Selection with copy direct to host (3) Selection with copy to system clipboard (4) Paste from system clipboard X-term mouse support was not implemented because it is particular to applications written to run in an X-term session, not under a standard VTxxx terminal. And because, implementing the additional escape sequences could very well break host systems which do not understand them and/or misinterpret them as something else entirely. My eventual goal though is to define Kermit Kverbs that represent each type of mouse event and allow the user to redefine their meanings. This is a long way down on my list of priorities. Just a neat idea that is floating around in my head. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 18:47:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:47:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:47:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm!news.tamu.edu!LLF.TAMU.EDU!l-field From: l-field@tamu.edu (Larry Field) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys ** Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:03:21 Organization: BPP Operations Center Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: llf.tamu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm mainframe keys. For instance, "esc+1" is PF1. Does anyone have a chart like this that lists all the keys? Thanks, Larry Field From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 19:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:59:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 18:59:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!ctp.org!not-for-mail From: lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet to Columbia Date: 17 Oct 1994 12:27:11 -0700 Organization: California Technology Project of The Calif State Univ Lines: 6 Message-Id: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: eis.calstate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) -- --Larry Powell lpowell@ctp.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:37:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:01:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:01:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:37:02 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct17.094459.30152@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>, davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >> Hi, >> >> What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? >> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond >> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b' > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a >proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult >to parse properly in normal environments. There is a program (and I'm looking for my copy without success at the moment - if anyone has it, I'm interested!) that will do the following: Press the left mouse button, and it generates an CR/LF ("Enter" key). Press the right mouse button, and it generated an "Esc" sequence. Move the mouse upwards, generates the up arrow slowly, etc. While this isn't as useful in unix/VMS environments (although it would be a blast in reading news/e-mail online :-> ), for BBS environments, it is a help. Anyone know of programs that do this that are public domain? Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 23:03:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:03:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:03:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37uvsi$52h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> lpowell@eis.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) > so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) > It would seem logical, wouldn't it? But currently, no. A lot of development is required for this; it's on the long list of things to do. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 23:05:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:05:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:05:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys ** Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <37uvvk$5ak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article l-field@tamu.edu (Larry Field) writes: > I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm > mainframe keys. For instance, "esc+1" is PF1. Does anyone have a chart ] > like this that lists all the keys? > Any such chart would be totally site dependent. It depends on the configuration (and make and model and version) of your 3270 emulation front end and/or software. You'll have to see your local IBM mainframe communications people about this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 01:16:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 21:55:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 21:55:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Message-Id: Sender: news@rahul.net (Usenet News) Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:16:15 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote: : What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? : By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste in MSKermit and on DOS screens. Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117 Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/ grbtxt12.zip B 9220 920826 Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 11:55:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:46:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:46:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 17 Oct 1994 21:25:17 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 22 Message-Id: <37ton5$1t2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1994Oct11.092246@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu wrote: : How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP. : Any ideas? : TIA. : Ian Stirling. : send mail either to printf@cix.compulink.co.uk, OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs. Then provided you don't overload the intervening links you can use kermit over multiple IP and serial links. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 03:48:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:48:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Oct 1994 23:48:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia Date: 18 Oct 1994 03:48:53 GMT Organization: Trilateralist Commission, Columbia University chapter Lines: 11 Message-Id: <37vgj5$oli@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37uj6f$a95@eis.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: | Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent) |so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?) telnet grind.isca.uiowa.edu offers this very feature; they have a mirror of wuarchive.wustl.edu and some other stuff. Perhaps someone will upload the latest betas to it. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o a New Yorker bred, if not born Columbia University/New York City \_O_/ Nevada Las Vegas Mission 92-94 From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 04:44:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:01:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:01:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!loghost.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!wp-sp.nba.trw.com!ns1.nba.trw.com!gumby.dsd.TRW.COM!jsb From: jsb@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (John Bien) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work? Date: 18 Oct 1994 04:44:41 GMT Organization: TRW Space & Electronics Group Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: pokey.sp.trw.com Keywords: carrier detect Unix Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3. I can't figure if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly. It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen: - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down) - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect) However - "set carrier" doesn't seem to have any affect. Carrier is working, as "show modem-signals" seems to indicate. Before I call "DIAL", CD shows as Off. After the dial, and during the connect, CD shows as "On". Then, after the modem returns "NO CARRIER", I can escape back and see CD is set to "Off" again. What I'm looking to do is not have our operators deal with the C-Kermit prompt at all. I'd like to call up kermit with an immediate Dial and Connect, and when the remote system disconnects, automatically exit kermit (no ^\c or ^\q). Any ideas? Does "set carrier" work for anybody else? Thanks for any info, -John John Bien (310) 814-8546 TRW Space and Electronics Group, Communications services j.bien@gumby.sp.TRW.COM (Internet) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 05:34:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:36:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 01:36:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usenet From: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit? Date: 18 Oct 1994 05:34:00 GMT Organization: None Lines: 84 Message-Id: <37vmo8$kq3@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <37tfav$h8n@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.1.4.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Clarence Dold writes: : davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote: : : : What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit? : : By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond : : I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste : in MSKermit and on DOS screens. I am not really interested in cut/paste functionality. In fact, using something like what you describe is not as flexible as what I have in mind. The latest version of `selection' for Linux implements what I would like to see in MS-Kermit or, as a TSR. I am sure that someone familiar with TSR could write something like this in half an hour, unfortunately, I do not have the expertise. To give you an idea how flexible and simple this idea is, consider what I have done using selection. The situation is this: right now I am at home running Linux in text (non-X) mode. I have selection running in the background monitering the mouse (the TSR would do this). In the foreground I am running C-Kermit connected through the phone line to amy.tch.harvard.ed. From there I am telnetted to a machine at Ohio State. On that machine, I am usig my JED editor to compse this message. Now, I can move the mouse somewhere in the buffer and click on it. When I do so, it sends 6 characters: ESC [ M b x y to indicate the row/column of the mouse click and which button was clicked. When I click with the left mouse button, the cursor goes to the position of the mouse--- even if it has to switch buffers/windows to get there. Now, if I click on the status line, I can cause the window to split, be deleted, or switch to the next buffer depending on the mouse button (3 buttons). In addition, the middle button is configured to paste, the right to delete text, etc... How do I do this? Simple. The editor, like emacs, is programmable. I have the following keybindings defined: setkey ("left_button_down", "\e[M "); setkey ("middle_button_down", "\e[M!"); setkey ("right_button_down", "\e[M\""); This effectively binds the three mouse buttons to functions. The functions decode the x, y coordinates of the mouse point, e.g., define middle_button_down () { variable use_status, x, y, n; variable x = getkey () - ' '; % (x,y) coordinates offset from (32,32) variable y = getkey () - ' '; (use_status, n, y, x) = whereis_mouse (x, y); loop (n) otherwindow (); if (use_status) { splitwindow (); return; } if (markp ()) { call ("copy_region"); message ("Region copied."); return; } goto_line (y); goto_column (x); call ("yank"); } Again, all this requires is a TSR that shoves ESC [ M m x y into the input buffer. Does anyone know where to get such a beast? -- _____________ #___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________ # # internet: davis@amy.tch.harvard.edu # bitnet: davis@ohstpy # office: 617-735-6746 # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 12:58:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:58:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 08:58:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work? Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:58:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <380gqd$i0r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37vjrp$d4l@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> jsb@gumby.dsd.TRW.COM (John Bien) writes: > I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3. I can't figure > if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly. > > It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen: > - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down) > - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect) > The proper operation of SET CARRIER ON or AUTO depends on the underlying operating system. If the device can be conditioned so that a read() returns an error if carrier drops, then this feature will work, otherwise it won't. In general, it works on UNIX systems whose terminal driver semantics follow the System V model, and tends not to work on BSD-based systems like SunOS. (Or, to put it another way, it should start working as you want when you "upgrade to Solaris" :-) There is a lot of material about this in the ckuker.bwr file, but perhaps it needs to be stated up front a bit more explicitly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 16:59:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:08:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 13:08:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!caip.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: @ Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:59:28 -0400 Organization: @ Lines: 9 Sender: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <380utg$9t3@caip.rutgers.edu> References: <36uqd8$7in@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: caip.rutgers.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: = True enough, but in brief: In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF) = characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When = in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF) = to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file = will be one character larger than your Unix file. Therefore, the size in byts of a well sent textfile is the sum of the line and character counts givven by "wc"; "wc -cl" From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 15:14:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:14:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 15:14:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!LAN.ASC.UPENN.EDU!stimpe From: stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Date: Tue, 18 Oct 1994 14:30:40 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 23 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: lan.asc.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I try to send commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding. It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the keyboard commands are registering). If I set the duplex to half, then I can see what I'm typing up until there is a connection. Otherwise, there's no change. This copy of Kermit was used on a 286 and a 486 as it's currently configured. The truly odd thing is that _one_ time when I entered Kermit, everything worked fine (was able to dial and connect and everything came across on the screen)but then didn't the next time. Does this sound like a software setting to anyone? Is there a Kermit setting that I'm not thinking of? I'm very interested in using Kermit because it supports an .ini file for our school to use software and because it runs swell on older computers. Thanks! Tom From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 20:16:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:14:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:14:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beta 3.14 and printing Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:16:24 -0400 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The 3.14 kermit.upd file states: . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE I'd like more information on what was improved. Also, does the improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to direct attached printers? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer Lehigh University Computing Ctr (wsm0@Lehigh.edu) (610) 758-3983 8B E. Packer Ave Bethlehem PA From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 21:36:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:36:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:36:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:36:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <381f46$47v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) writes: > Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard > time getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both > work on a 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I > try to send commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the > modem responding. It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, > but no characters are visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no > ATDT, nothing, although the keyboard commands are registering). > This is the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict. You should get the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14 Beta. Lest you are worried about the increased size of the newer version over 3.10, version 3.14 also comes in a "light" version (lacking networking and graphics terminal emulation) that should work just fine even an a small-memory PC or XT. Included in the distribution is a file called KERMIT.BWR, which includes a detailed discussion of interrupt conflicts and how to correct them. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 17 20:25:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:43:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:43:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.jf.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!ssd.intel.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!axsys!rw From: rw@surgicad.com (Randy Witlicki) Subject: Xircom PCMCIA and MS-DOS Kermit woes Message-Id: Organization: Dover Systems Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 20:25:00 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone out here managed to get a Xircom PCMCIA modem (I am trying to configure the Creditcard Ethernet+Modem unit on a Zenith Z-Star Laptop) to successfully use MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.13 ? I keep getting the message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios for BIOS3 This is after various invocations of the Xircom CEMCFG, CMDRIVE, XEMREDIR, and so on programs in various combinations and also giving port and irq with a set COM3 command in Kermit. I am able to get the Windows Terminal program to talk happily over COM3 after running the Xircom PCMCIA setup programs, so maybe Kermit has a set hardware don't-be-clever command that I haven't found? The purpose of this whole exercise is to have Kermit take a script as part of a batch file to log someone in to a terminal server so Novell LanWorkPlace can make a ppp connection. Thanks in advance for any help and sage advice. - Randy Witlicki rw@surgicad.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 21:18:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:55:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:55:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!tflynn From: tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: exit causes reboot Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:18:30 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots..... Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and locks up machine! -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ * * * * * * tflynn@iastate.edu * * * * * * * @ Tim Flynn, Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008 ph.(515)-294-9022@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 16:20:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:57:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 17:57:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!solix!mtritt01 From: mtritt01@solix.fiu.edu (Merrill D. Tritt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: external kermit protocol Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:20:03 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support kermit. I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support today's connect rates. Does anybody know if something like this still exists? The file was called PCKERMIT. Thanks in advance. -- =========================================================================== == Merrill Tritt === mtritt01@servax.fiu.edu === Miami, FL == =========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:01:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:01:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:01:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: exit causes reboot Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:01:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <381gjs$661@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381e36$2r5@news.iastate.edu> tflynn@iastate.edu (Timothy John Flynn) writes: > When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots..... > Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and > locks up machine! > There's no point in cluttering up the newsgroup with reports like this. Please send them straight to kermit@columbia.edu, and include more details -- PC and network configuration, software versions (DOS, Windows, WFW, whatever). This is not to say that there isn't a problem, but we need more to go on, and you'll get MUCH faster response from email than from news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:03:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:03:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 18:03:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: external kermit protocol Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:03:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <381go3$69l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <380sjj$oq3@newshost.fiu.edu> mtritt01@solix.fiu.edu (Merrill D. Tritt) writes: > I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support > kermit. I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure > to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support > today's connect rates. Does anybody know if something like this still > exists? The file was called PCKERMIT. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in three different versions: large, medium, and small. Any of these can be used as an external protocol by other DOS programs via command-line argument passing. The small version is particularly well-suited for this. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. I think PCKERMIT must be MS-DOS Kermit 1.x from 1982 or so... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 22:32:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!FNALO.FNAL.GOV!MORPHIS From: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:32:17 GMT Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 6 Message-Id: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> Reply-To: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make sure it works before figuring out how to ftp it over. (I have my hair pulled out on other items of joy, so I delegated) Robert Morphis system@phys.niu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 23:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:27:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:27:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 18 Oct 1994 23:27:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <381lkf$cvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov> morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV writes: > It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make > sure it works before figuring out how to ftp it over. (I have my hair > pulled out on other items of joy, so I delegated) > Mac Kermit 0.991(190), dated 16 Aug 94, or later, will run on PowerMacs, as well as under Mac OS 7.1. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text (ascii) mode, files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr. The former is the Mac Kermit app itself, to be un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 20:31:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:45:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 19:45:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.service.uci.edu!e4e.oac.uci.edu!amnewlan From: amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 18 Oct 1994 20:31:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 37 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: e4e.oac.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of fancy things, but we have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in e4e, for the "attached ansi" printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print command but it does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures the first page no matter how many pages you go through! I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? My MacKermit is so simple and easy to use! Too bad her husband is stuck on PCs ! He could not find answers to these either. If you have any hints for us or helpful info, we would greatly appreciate it! Anne Newland please reply to if not too much trouble, thanks! From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 00:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:04:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:04:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:04:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <381nqm$fid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Cc: fdc@columbia.edu, amnewlan@uci.edu In article <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) writes: > > My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication > software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of > fancy things, but we > have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I > can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! > > One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black > background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure > there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! > I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit. For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background colors for terminal emulation. > Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single > message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in > e4e, for the "attached ansi" > printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print > command but it > does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... > This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon receipt of the "printer off" directive. > Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures > the first page no matter how many pages you go through! > Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session, dumping screens, etc. You have pretty much total control. > I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not > as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? > No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality). It is a text-mode program, and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with. But it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows what is best for you. MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 00:05:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:05:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:05:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <381ns4$fki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381baa$26o@news.service.uci.edu> amnewlan@e4e.oac.uci.edu (Anne M. NEWLAND) writes: > > My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication > software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of > fancy things, but we > have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I > can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily! > > One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black > background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure > there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it! > I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit. For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background colors for terminal emulation. > Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single > message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in > e4e, for the "attached ansi" > printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print > command but it > does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad... > This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon receipt of the "printer off" directive. > Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures > the first page no matter how many pages you go through! > Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session, dumping screens, etc. You have pretty much total control. > I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not > as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows? > No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality). It is a text-mode program, and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with. But it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows what is best for you. MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 09:42:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:29:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 20:29:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10... Message-Id: <1994Oct18.154216.30342@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 94 15:42:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , stimpe@asc.upenn.edu (Thomas Timperio) writes: > Help! I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time > getting Kermit 3.10 to work. The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a > 486 a friend has. On my machine, Kermit boots fine. When I try to send > commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding. > It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are > visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the > keyboard commands are registering). If I set the duplex to half, then I can > see what I'm typing up until there is a connection. Otherwise, there's no > change. ------------ Please obtain a copy of Kermit distribution file MSKERM.BWR from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. This discusses many common modem difficulties, including your 'talk but not listen' case. Most likely problem: IRQ conflicts or at a value not assumed by Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 03:12:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 23:30:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Oct 1994 23:30:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!tali.hsc.colorado.edu!boulder!csnews!alumni.cs.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what gives a telebit indigestion? Date: 19 Oct 1994 03:12:12 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.cs.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then set prefix via set control unprefix all set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport 14.4k modem at my end. when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary transmission, i get no problems. anyone worked out what gives the telebit indigestion? or is my dataport? i doubt the latter, because i have one path in to the remote machine via a non-telebit 2400 baud modem, and that path has no problems. i can use the two lines above and my efficiency goes from 75% to 83% on binary downloads of binary data on this path. -- -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 02:59:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:48:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 00:48:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 19:59:58 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 18 15:51:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:13:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 01:13:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beta 3.14 and printing Message-Id: <1994Oct18.215155.30400@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 94 21:51:54 MDT References: <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <381aeo$3hek@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wsm0@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) writes: > The 3.14 kermit.upd file states: > > . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE > > > I'd like more information on what was improved. Also, does the > improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to > direct attached printers? --------- I'd say that if you don't have a problem then you don't have a problem. Kermit always prints through DOS itself, or what appears to be DOS on the other end of Interrupt 21h. Improvments include more tenacious retrying and status checking to see if every byte does indeed make it to DOS and that DOS approves. Plus closing the printer channel after closing a capture file (to effectively send an EOJ command to your NW server). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 12:24:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:24:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:24:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:24:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <38335m$lff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > Hmmm... Seems the announcement never made it. Briefly: 1. The program itself has a few fixes, plus a new feature -- which is still being worked on: SET PORT FOSSIL 1..99. Fossil driver users are encouraged to check this out and report back. 2. User-settable Answerback message (see below). 3. Some DOC files, etc, that were supposed to be there were missing, now they are where they are supposed to be. 4. A couple new modem dialing scripts that just came in -- Dynalink 1414, etc. Lots of people have been asking to be able to set the answerback message, the text that Kermit sends while it is in CONNECT mode and receives an ENQ (Ctrl-E) character. One point of view says this opens up all kinds of security risks, the opposing point of view says that people should be able to do what they want. We are taking a middle ground. Here's how it works. SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK { ON, OFF } Works as before. This command simply enables or disables the sending of answerback messages in response to ENQ during terminal emulation. By default it is OFF, primarily because of what happens when you have a noisy connection. If you want it on all the time, just put SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. When TERMINAL ANSWERBACK is ON, the answerback message is: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320 In other words, the name of the program, the program version, and the terminal type, followed by a carriage return. SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE [ ] This is new. If you give this command and specify some text, then the text is *appended* to the standard answerback message, preceded by an underscore, but before the carriage return, e.g.: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_ANSI_123 Science Hall If you give the SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE command with no text, the default message is restored. We are doing it this way because we think it is important to have a standard format for answerback messages that host applications can always depend upon, from now on: program-nameversion_emulation[_user-fields...] You can play with this feature by telling MS-DOS Kermit to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, and then running C-Kermit on the host, and giving it the following command: ask \%a \5 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 12:40:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:40:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:40:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what gives a telebit indigestion? Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:40:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <38344k$me4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) writes: > i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit > operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then > set prefix via > > set control unprefix all > set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 > > as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. > > i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport > 14.4k modem at my end. > > when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into > something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the > remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no > problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary > transmission, i get no problems. > You should have read the documentation. Two Ctrl-C's in a row will pop a remote-mode C-Kermit (189 or earlier) out of packet mode, back to its prompt. This is stated clearly and repeatedly in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the ckcker.upd file that comes with version 5A(189). This file also describes how to get around this: (a) Don't unprefix Ctrl-C (3 or 131); (b) change the packet-mode cancellation character; (c) change the number of packet-mode cancellation characters required for cancellation. In version 5A(190), we have increased the default number of consecutive Ctrl-C's needed to cancel packet mode from two to three. This turns Ctrl-C into a safe character, in most circumstances, because any run of three or more characters in the file data will be encoded in a special way. Thus, you should not have to worry about Ctrl-C's any more. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 08:43:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:43:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 08:43:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PLIP.COM packet driver and MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 19 Oct 94 14:25:01 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 38 Message-Id: <1994Oct19.142501.1@cc.helsinki.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tried to connect two PC's with a MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk cable, PLIP.COM packet drivers and MS-Kermit 3.13. I'm an experienced packet driver & TCP/IP & MS-Kermit user, but I couldn't get this setup working, so I'm now asking for help. The cable is almost OK: only the 25-25 pin connection is missing, everything else is OK according to MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk help and Linux NET-3-HOWTO. I can connect those two PC's with MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk. I run the "PLIP 0x60 -t" cable test, and it shows (as Russ Nelson kindly told me) that the cable is OK: it shows a "1" cycling in a round-robin way those five digits displayed. Then I start MS-Kermit 3.13 and issue commands: set port tcp/ip set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.1 set tcp/ip host * ; telnet server mode connect and on the second computer: set port tcp/ip set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.2 set tcp/ip host 1.1.1.1 connect but the connection cannot be established. I recall reading some discussion about PLIP and MS-Kermit (was it about a year ago?) that there was some inconsistency between them (incorrect simulation of Ethernet or something like that). So, should MS-Kermit 3.13 work with PLIP.COM? (This MS-Kermit <-> MS-Kermit connection is just a test, the real objective is to connect MS-Kermit or Trumpet Winsock to a Linux 1.1.35 box. So, please no "just use InterLnk/SLIP/plain serial" flames!) -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 05:15:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:31:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 09:31:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 05:15:43 GMT Lines: 73 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >> chunks of characters. >> >> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >> reboot my computer to stop it. >> >> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >> something else. >------------- > Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit >involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other >information you think might be important. Sorry 'bout that, chief! :) I'm running MSK 3.13 PL 21 on a Data General/One 2T (remember me, Frank? :), which is a very early laptop with an 8088 processor running at (I think) ~13+ MHz. It has 640K memory total (no upper memory), and no hard drive (two 720K 3.5" diskette drives instead). The OS is a Data General revision of MS-DOS 3.2. The modem is internal; I know very little about it, other than it has a top speed of 2400 bps and is at least Hayes compatible. It probably doesn't have hardware flow control, although I couldn't say for sure, as this PC came to me sans documentation. The C-Kermit on my Unix account is 5A(190), beta 21. > Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix >box? I connect to my service provider through a POP (Point Of Presence). To the best of my knowledge, all the POP's are connected via T1 and/or other links to a central location, where the Unix boxes live. There are 20 Unix boxes networked together, and fed by several network file servers. A router connects me to one of these 20 boxes right after modem handshake. If more detail is necessary, I could write to tech support or even ask some of the more knowledgeable users at this site. > The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from >systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the >PC, whatnot. It occurs to me that I was using the same PC and version of Kermit to transfer files back and forth on my last account, which was on an IBM 370 (TSO-Kermit). I was able to use a packet length of 2K with no problems. > 640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program). >If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are >stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded >memory. I have screen rollback enabled (I use it frequently). The screens have to be stored in conventional memory, since that's all I have. I used rollback on my last account, and again had no problems with larger packets. There seems to be memory to spare, as I can push to DOS and run such utilities as PK(UN)ZIP. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 13:55:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:24:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 10:24:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!FNALO.FNAL.GOV!MORPHIS From: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66 Date: 19 Oct 1994 13:55:00 GMT Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3838fk$dtt@fnnews.fnal.gov> References: <381idh$lg2@fnnews.fnal.gov>,<381lkf$cvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: morphis@FNALO.FNAL.GOV Nntp-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 14:21:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:01:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 edition of book/manual? Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 9 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:21:33 +0000 Message-Id: <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear? It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication. Mike I bought the original first edition. -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 15:14:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:14:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:14:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 edition of book/manual? Date: 19 Oct 1994 15:14:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <383d48$46t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <782576493snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of > the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear? > It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication. > Sorry, no, there is not a new edition of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for version 3.14. As with 3.12 and 3.13, you should use the Second Edition of the book in conjunction with the KERMIT.UPD file on the diskette. We would like to produce a new edition of the book with every release of the software, but it is not possible. The version after 3.14 will probably be accompanied by a new edition. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:23:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:19:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:19:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!lewart From: lewart@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 19 Oct 1994 16:23:30 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 3 Message-Id: <383h62$8va@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 94 16:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 26 Message-Id: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or a variation thereof: set terminal answerback on set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here However, I don't think the answerback security hole is any worse then the ability to redefine keys with "set key". I noticed that the context-sensitive help (?) doesn't abbreviate the already typed words and word completion (Esc) adds the trailing space. This is how command-line editing used to be and that is how I like it. Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore? It is not in mstibm.zip. The command is "set terminal underscore", but "show terminal" says "Term underline color". These should be consistent. There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. Kermit still runs wonderfully on my ATT 6300. Kudos to JRD and FDC for their Herculean work! Cheers, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:31:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:31:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:31:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 1994 17:31:40 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Daniel S. Lewart wrote: |There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't |reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast |to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be a ripple. --- _________________________________ o ______________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu) o o a New Yorker bred, if not born Columbia University/New York City \_O_/ Nevada Las Vegas Mission 92-94 I'm a peon for Gersten, Savage, Kaplowitz, & Curtin, 575 Lexington Ave From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:38:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:38:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:38:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Date: 19 Oct 1994 17:38:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or > a variation thereof: > set terminal answerback on > set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here > Not really. All the characters are still sent. It's up to the host application how to interpret them. > Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore? It is not in > mstibm.zip. > No, it's not needed. We are not supplying a Windows icon for MS-DOS Kermit. Just pick one out for yourself from the little collection of free icons that comes with Windows -- see KERMIT.HLP for instructions. > There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it happens at random times no matter what application is running. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 06:45:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:21:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 15:21:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: <1994Oct19.124520.30473@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 12:45:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > In article <1994Oct15.101936.30019@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > >>In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >>> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >>> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >>> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >>> chunks of characters. >>> >>> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >>> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >>> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >>> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >>> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >>> reboot my computer to stop it. >>> >>> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >>> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >>> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >>> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >>> something else. >>------------- I presume you are using DG terminal emulation, because I've received another report some time ago with a Connect screen ^F^F symptom. I suspect it is coming from the remote host, as LOG SESSION can verify one way or the other. Otherwise if these things really occur on the Kermit command line and there are no script commands being executed at that time then it's a problem of some mysterious kind. MSK 3.14 has a uni-directional flow control option (SET FLOW) so it may throttle a remote host and still let the host send XON/XOFF codes as data rather than as flow control signals. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 16:33:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 16:33:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!due.uninett.no!debet!xedb_gene From: xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no (Gene Scharmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON Message-Id: <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> Date: 19 Oct 94 10:40:10 MET Organization: Norwegian School of Economics Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MSK 3.14 Beta-3: The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF, even the '?' help functions says so: Rollback (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off) But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on. Don't know if this was planned, or a 'mite' -- Gene Scharmann, SYSOP Sotrainbow OPUS BBS Bergen NORWAY FidoNet: 2:211/3 (+47 55 31.09.91) 14.4KBaud E-Mail: xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 21:02:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:02:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:02:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON Date: 19 Oct 1994 21:02:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3841hq$fe2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> xedb_gene@debet.nhh.no (Gene Scharmann) writes: > MSK 3.14 Beta-3: > The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF, > even the '?' help functions says so: > Rollback (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off) > But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on. Don't know if this was planned, or > a 'mite' > Neither, I hope. If you start Kermit with "-f nul" on the command line to prevent execution of any initialization files, you should find that SET TERMINAL ROLL is indeed OFF, as revealed not only by SHOW TERMINAL, but also by experiment. Ditto if Kermit is started with the MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI that are distributed with it. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 03:53:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:10:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 09:53:14 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > ------ I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final release. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 07:43:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:24:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:24:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 07:43:30 GMT Lines: 162 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article jhurwit@netcom.com >(Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >> >> I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix >> account (this one that I'm posting from). My mail agent has a >> print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.' >> I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole >> chunks of characters. >> >I can't emphasize this strongly enough: You must have the most effective >means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface >along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the >way to the printer. Yes, Pine. It is likely that my modem doesn't have hareware flow control, so XON/XOFF is probably the *only* type of flow control available between my host and my PC. This is the setting I use in my MSKERMIT.INI. I know that I can stop the host from sending to my screen with ^S and restart it with ^Q while in terminal mode, but I don't know if Pine will respond to these characters while printing, or even if C-Kermit is responding to them during a file transfer. >> I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or >> I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my >> Unix account: The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to >> the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen, >> with an occassional buffer overflow error message. I have to >> reboot my computer to stop it. >> >This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only >speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts >to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate. This is entirely possible. I haven't a clue about how interrupts work, but my disk drives (both 720K 3.5" - I have no hard drive) are certainly slow. On my last account (on an IBM 370), TSO-Kermit could send 2K packets with no trouble on the PC end. Even with a text file, where a 2K packet writes about 2K to the disk, there was no trouble. >> I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not >> working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory >> total on my PC. (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow >> control, so I have XON/XOFF set.) But now I wonder if it's >> something else. >> >Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that >might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host >application. >The printer should be a parallel printer. It is. >When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send >it to the printer. If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails >to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS >printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help. I've used the printer with DOS (copy filename.txt prn), with a word processor to print complex documents (eg. text and graphics), and with a GIF printer. It works reliably with all these. >That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself >lose incoming data? There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this >could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control. >Reason (1) was mentioned above. If you have a slow disk and the disk >driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your >only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less >disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port >interrupts are disabled. Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to >have this problem (but there are no guarantees). I have BUFFERS=10. Could this be too high? I'll experiment with it. >Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit. You say your modem does >not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff. So you tell >Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff". Yes, I have this set. >Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just >like a game of catch. The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S >(Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters. Who >and where is the other player? (What if there IS no other player? >The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the >communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled. If not, then after you >throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!) >The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error: >propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors >with distance. Propagation delays is a likely possibility. It can take up to several minutes, at times, for characters typed into an editor (for example) to echo back on the screen. Sometimes this is because the host I'm on is carrying a high load average, but I suspect that at other times it is because the link between my POP and my host is near saturation. Noise is another-- I experience occasional bursts of garbage characters on the screen, and sometimes have to call back to get a cleaner connection. However, when neither of these is a problem, printing from Pine and receiving packets on my PC larger than 1K during a file transfer still is. >So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay: > Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to > your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow > control "upstream". >Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff". I doubt that mine does. I think it's probably transparant to ^S and ^Q. Since I don't have a manual for it, I can't be sure. I can make my modem output its profile (showing settings). I looked these up in the Hayes Technical refernece Manual, in an effort to identify its features. Local Xon/Xoff was not among them. >Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther >upstream, for example, at the host operating system. If you are connected >directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice >anyway. But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of >network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly. I think the host is as close as I can get. >To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow >control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like: > stty ixon ixoff -ixany I checked my settings (stty -a), and found these to already be set. >> >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and >> >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w >> >problem not a handshake problem. >> >> I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file >> transfer. But this is a pain in the neck. I'd also like to try >> packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers. >> >You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application >in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes >printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow >control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, >if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file >later, using the DOS PRINT command. I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help narrow down what's going wrong? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 22:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:47:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:47:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Date: 19 Oct 1994 22:46:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3847l3$ner@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application > >in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes > >printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow > >control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, > >if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file > >later, using the DOS PRINT command. > > I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of > mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of > characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help > narrow down what's going wrong? > On the face of it, this would seem to rule out the PC-to-Pine communication path, all of it, and to rule in the connection between your PC and printer. But, no, that's too simple. Since you can print local PC files without losing data, that rules the PC-printer connection back out again. Writing to disk is much faster than writing to a printer, so when Kermit is routing data to the printer, then whenever the printer's "busy" wire goes on, Kermit has to flow-control the host to stop sending data. This is the weak spot, apparently -- the flow control signal, in this case an Xoff character, does not arrive in time, and so data is lost because it keeps coming even though Kermit's internal buffer is full, and the printer is busy. There is literally no place to put it, so it is lost. From your description, it sounds like SET PRINTER , since it works, might be your only way out of this mess -- at least your only free way :-) -- you could also buy a new modem... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 22:35:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:48:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:48:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!rayp From: rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 19 Oct 1994 22:35:24 GMT Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((206) 693-0325) Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem. In fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup. I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit emulation is VT320. So, I am asking for advice. How can I change the setting in my kermit program to VT100. Is it possible to do so with each call I make? I have two accounts: one VT100, the other VT320. I'd like to be able to toggle back and forth, or something equally convenient. Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in terms that a novice like me would find understandable. Thanks. -- ---- Ray Pendergast From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 23:01:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen Date: 19 Oct 1994 23:01:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3848g8$oiq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3846vc$3h@news.pacifier.com> rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) writes: > I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem. In > fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup. > I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am > guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text > while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit > emulation is VT320. > No, not at all. VT320 is, in every sense, a superset of VT100. Any escape sequences sent to a VT100 will be accepted and acted upon by a VT320 (or 220, or 102) in exactly the same way. > So, I am asking for advice. How can I change the setting in my kermit > program to VT100. > SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100. > Is it possible to do so with each call I make? > Of course. > I have two accounts: one VT100, the other VT320. I'd like to be able to > toggle back and forth, or something equally convenient. > You can do a lot more than that. You can write little scripts that make each connection and set all the appropriate parameters -- terminal emulation, key maps, you name it, automatically for each account. > Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in > terms that a novice like me would find understandable. > I like to think that the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", does a very good job at making this material understandable. But none of this explains why you are seeing pieces of escape sequences on your screen. This is happening because material is coming in faster than your PC can process it. Either reduce your communication speed, get a faster computer, or (what we keep preaching) enable the MOST EFFECTIVE POSSIBLE means of flow control at each point along the communication path. For example, configure your modem for RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control, and then tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS. But then you also have to ensure that the other modem, and whatever it is connected to, etc, are also configured for flow control. Assume nothing. TrustNo1. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 10:45:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:48:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:47:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!netnews.wku.edu!netnews.wku.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS KERMIT transfer-only program? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu> From: RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (KEVIN) Date: 19 Oct 94 15:45:18 CDT Distribution: world Organization: Western Kentucky University Nntp-Posting-Host: wkuvx2 Nntp-Posting-User: ryank X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers. This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol- only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit. I've tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none implement the advanced features. Is there a shareware or freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding windows, adjustable block sizes, etc? Kevin Ryan RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU Western Kentucky University From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 14:20:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:13:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:13:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc. Message-Id: <1994Oct19.202026.30534@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 20:20:26 MDT References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <383l5s$fjt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ycl6@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, > Daniel S. Lewart wrote: > |There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > |reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > |to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > > If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be > a ripple. --------- The slower the video system then the more visible will be screen changes. The Bios is slower than direct screen writing. Try horizontal scrolling to see this under fingertip control (without bothering the remote host). Or just roll the screen up and down. Joe D. interface >>along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the >>way to the printer. >>You misunderstood the suggestion. Print from your host mail application >>in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes >>printer output to a file on your PC's disk. This will eliminate flow >>control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself, >>if that is what is causing the problem. Then you can print the file >>later, using the DOS PRINT command. > > I understood. I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of > mail-- 'thought it might make a good test. There was no loss of > characters when I set printer to a file on disk. Does this help > narrow down what's going wrong? ---------------- Kermit does printing by passing bytes to DOS for handling. If DOS spends a lot of time talking with your parallel printer then a) Kermit's receive buffer can overflow, losing bytes, and/or b) interrupts are turned off long enough by DOS and the Bios to miss bytes arriving from the serial port. For case a) Kermit sends XOFF and XON brackets (if that's the flow control method) to the host to hopefully stop too many new bytes from being sent while DOS has control. The host may continue to send many bytes before recognizing the XOFF. Case b) is totally out of the hands of Kermit. File transfers with Kermit protocol have inherent pacing and retries and all that good stuff. Printing from the host lacks all that good stuff. With XON/XOFF turned off there is nothing Kermit can do to notify the host that Kermit and DOS may be rather busy for awhile and please wait. From your last paragraph we can infer your DOS+Bios+printer are taking a rather long time getting the job done. Since you have XON/XOFF turned off then at least case a) applies. Should this be accurate then you need to heavily buffer between DOS and the printer, by printing to disk or using a print spooler (they have their own problems) or using a cheap printer box with memory, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:21:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:00:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:00:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 23:21:09 MDT Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 11 Message-Id: <384uo7$r7o@lynx.unm.edu> References: <373nbp$g8e@chopin.udel.edu> <1994Oct7.105934.29107@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR In , Ken Udut wrote: > >But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen. For DOS, uses arrow keys, runs as a TSR in 4Kb, from ftp.uu.net: 92/10/28 00:00 20881 systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel/screen/snippr26.zip (msg both mailed and posted) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 17:15:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:16:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:16:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS KERMIT transfer-only program? Message-Id: <1994Oct19.231528.30549@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 94 23:15:28 MDT References: <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.154519.11566@netnews.wku.edu>, RYANK@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (KEVIN) writes: > I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of > the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is > native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take > advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers. > > This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol- > only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit. I've > tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none > implement the advanced features. Is there a shareware or > freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding > windows, adjustable block sizes, etc? -------------- Yes, but only one: MS-DOS Kermit. However, you will soon have the choice of three different colors: regular, medium, lite. See the beta test announcments. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:03:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:56:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:56:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through") Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <37p0k0$q59@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:03:50 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Xander.Jansen@SURFnet.nl wrote: >For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91: >----- >Changes since pine 3.90. >Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all) >of the problems reported with version 3.90. >IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not >defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the >new feature: "preserve-start-stop-characters" . This is needed [...] >Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation >discussed (but you never know ;) I tried it, and it unfortunately didn't help. :( Thanks for the suggestion, tho... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:17:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 04:25:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 04:25:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: what gives a telebit indigestion? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:08 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3822qc$ihr@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU>, Arthur Wouk (wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu) wrote: >i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit >operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then >set prefix via >set control unprefix all >set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141 >as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings. >i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport >14.4k modem at my end. My guess, FWIW, is that you'll have to prefix more control characters. ^C and ^Z, for example, are frequently used on many flavors of Unix to cancel and suspend, respectively, a process. Try transferring your binary file with 'set control prefixed all'. If it works, you know that prefixing is your problem. As the docs say, you'll have to experiment with some test files to find the minimum set of control characters that must be prefixed. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 19 20:31:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 05:41:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 05:41:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sldgh From: sldgh@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Subject: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Message-Id: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 94 02:31:13 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:828 comp.security.misc:12429 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any info is greatly appreciated. Erik Merkley Saddleman, Inc. sldgh@cc.usu.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 10:12:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:28:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COLS132 tip Date: 20 Oct 1994 10:12:06 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 21 Message-Id: <385fpm$92i@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently spent some time trying to set up the COLS132.BAT file for a machine with an S3 graphics card which was not supplied with a program for setting the screen mode. I eventually discovered that if I used Daniel Kegel's screen driver NANSI.SYS (available from Simtel mirrors and other fine ftp sites), I could put many different graphics cards into 132 column mode by putting the following line in COLS132.BAT. @echo [=85h where is replaced by an escape character (ascii 27). The corresponding line for COLS80.BAT is: @echo [=3h (which should work with any ANSI screen driver). Hope this is useful to someone else. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 12:47:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:48:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Date: 20 Oct 1994 12:47:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <385otv$8ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> sldgh@cc.usu.edu writes: > At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous > situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit > to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer > capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit > prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX > prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change > directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the > commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home > directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any > info is greatly appreciated. > Read the document on configuration options, ckccfg.doc, section SECURITY FEATURES. If you build C-Kermit with the -DNOPUSH cc flag, it disables these items. However, it does not restrict users to their home directories. You could easily add the CD command to those that are disabled by NOPUSH, but that does not entirely do the job -- they can still use pathnames in the many file-related commands. When C-Kermit is in server mode, you can also restrict access to all sorts of services by using the DISABLE command. If you want to take this one off-line, send me email. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 15 02:24:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:14:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:14:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!bonkers.taronga.com!peter From: peter@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out??? Distribution: na Organization: Taronga Park BBS Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 02:24:06 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.bsd:17235 comp.os.386bsd.misc:4103 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:831 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port >please tell me! :-) Surely that's not broken again... I fixed it in 386BSD patchkit 0.2.4. Just make sure they all use the same lock file format. (need to make pppd use it too) >Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP, Look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf. That said, I tried it and couldn't quite get it to work so I stripped things down to the minimum. None of the Allman mailer definitions really work for Taylor UUCP and moderately smart remote sites, so I use this one: Mremote, P=/usr/bin/uux, F=CmDFMh, S=12, R=92, A=uux - -r -a$f -gC $h!rmail ($u) S92 is pretty much the same as the SMTP rewriting rule. You don't want my sendmail.cf. It routes everything to smail 2.5, so I can do pathalias without spending all my time hacking sendmail.cf. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 16:27:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 13:59:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 13:59:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!tudelft.nl!liberator.et.tudelft.nl!dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl!richard From: richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: 20 Oct 1994 16:27:04 GMT Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? >> >------ > I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really >testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final >release. Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since they are new. And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something that is supposed to be changed. Sheesh! Remember the original announcement of this Beta-6 got lost. I never saw it and Frank reposted it. I have noticed before, Joe, that you sometimes reply with an answer that has not much to do with the original question. I suppose that has to do with you being busy and reading the original message too quickly and I suspect this was the case here too. Anyway, good luck with the new Kermit 3.14 (beta-6 worked great for me both under DOS and Windows), and please relax (you'll live longer). Richard. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 17:53:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:19:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:19:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!UQuebec.CA!Rene_Ouimet From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Subject: New apc in kermit 3.13 Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:53:24 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 12:15:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:51:30 -0400 From: maik%PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Marek Majewski) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:15:32 GMT Subject: Kermit & LAN Manager 2.2 Message-Id: <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com> Organization: Hewlett Packard GmbH Germany Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplntx!hpbbn!isonews.bbn.hp.com!maik Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Keywords: KERMIT LAN MANAGER Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pso_715.poland.hp.com Summary: Problem with Kermit over LAN Manager X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN. I installed dis_pkt9 driver over NDIS drivers but it didn't work ok. There was a problem during invoking LOAD TCPIP command. There is no problem when I run pocket version of my Ethernet driver and Kermit on it, but of course I haven't reach resources provided by LAN Manager. Marek Majewski marek_majewski@hp7100.desk.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 01:02:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:12:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:12:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!ecsgate!crisp From: crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) Subject: why do screen colors change? Message-Id: Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 01:02:57 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hello eveyone. i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from bright or bold white to just regular white. 3.13 didn't do this. Is this something someone needs to check, or a possible configuration problem here? It's very reproducable. Happens every time. Thanks, and keep up the good work! 3.14 looks really nice. rc -- -- Russ Crisp, Systems Analyst | Ham Call: KA4UXZ Western Carolina University | BITNET: crisp@wcuvax1.bitnet Business Affairs Division | Internet: crisp@wcu.edu Room 311-A, HFR Building | Voice: (704) 227-7003 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 21 01:52:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:53:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:52:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & LAN Manager 2.2 Date: 20 Oct 1994 21:52:50 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3876ti$lra@panix2.panix.com> References: <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Keywords: KERMIT LAN MANAGER Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <385n14$dvt@isoit109.bbn.hp.com>, Marek Majewski wrote: >Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x > >We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as >UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN. I've used the following technique with much success: (1) TELAPI -SN3 {limit of three sessions} (2) KERMIT (3) SET PORT TELAPI xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (4) CONNECT marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802] From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 00:23:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:25:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:25:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!tubsibr!news From: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 00:23:49 GMT Organization: Inst.f.Nachrichtentechnik, TU Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases: Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is the ASCII code for space) to \313 ? Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why the space key code had to be changed. --Eckart ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eckart Meyer Address: Schleinitzstr. 23 Institute for Telecommunication 38092 Braunschweig Technical University of Braunschweig Germany Phone: +49 531 391 2454 E-Mail: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de FAX: +49 531 391 5192 VMSmail: PSI%26245050551130::MEYER (DATEX-P) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 04:56:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:20:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 00:20:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:56:15 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? > > > ------ > I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really > testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final > release. > Joe D. Well, sounds like he does not want new features tested in new betas now does it ? HMMMMMMM, is this a public beta? I would think it might be valuable to know if new features are added so that we can test them. Thank you FDC very much for the valuable input. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 08:39:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 04:40:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 04:40:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!alpha2.csd.uwm.edu!randyd From: randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: possible ms-beta prob. Date: 21 Oct 1994 08:39:24 GMT Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <387uns$tjt@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.202 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have beta-5 now, hercmono card on a 286 machine. Bullet (hayes like) 2400 baud reliable compressed modem. There seems to be some problem with inverse video. Programs on my unix host like ELM or RN, which display lines in inverse video sometimes do not appear inverse with the 3.14 beta version. I am comparing it against the old faithful 3.11 version. I will alt-x quit and switch between versions. The problem is sometimes fixed by exiting kermit 3.14 and restarting it without logging out. The problem seems to come and go.... { Randy. randyd@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu finger for 1024 bit pgp2.6 public key key fingerprint 6D A1 28 15 42 BE 9B 6C C0 1C 7E 88 A6 1E 3A B8 } From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 14:12:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:12:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 10:12:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: 21 Oct 1994 14:12:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de writes: > Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases: > > Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is > the ASCII code for space) to \313 ? > > Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special > scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why > the space key code had to be changed. > This change was made because of popular demand. People wanted to be able to map the space bar and all its combinations with Ctrl, Alt, and Shift separately. For example, DEC terminal users are accustomed to Ctrl-Space sending a Null (easier to type than Ctrl-Shift-2). The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: set key \313 \32 in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. This is progress, no? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 14:29:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!lorne.stir.ac.uk!is06 From: is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 21 Oct 1994 14:29:02 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Lines: 17 Message-Id: <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> References: <37ton5$1t2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: is06@forth.stir.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : sauron@axpvms.cc.utexas.edu wrote: : : How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull. : : I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with : OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet : to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs. This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet. I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet. I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I can ftp them from. Ian Stirling. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 15:26:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:26:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 21 Oct 1994 15:26:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <388mio$9rq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) writes: > This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find > how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet. > I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet. > I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a > unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer > files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I > can ftp them from. > C-Kermit has a command, TELNET, for this, provided it was built to include TCP/IP support (i.e. the CFLAGS in the makefile include -DTCPSOCKET). If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit to also include it. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Uncompress, untar, and give the appropriate "make" command. If your makefile entry does not include -DTCPSOCKET, then add it. For further details, read the comments in the makefile and the file ckuins.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 19:23:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:28:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:28:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:23:35 GMT Lines: 33 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:843 comp.security.misc:12445 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu>, sldgh@cc.usu.edu wrote: >At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous >situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. We are moving to MS-Kermit >to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer >capabilities. We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit >prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX >prompt. Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change >directories, etc. Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the >commands available to C-Kermit? Can we restrict users to their home >directories? Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful? Any >info is greatly appreciated. I don't know how you would prevent someone using MS-Kermit from getting a DOS prompt, but C-Kermit has an option that you can define at compile time to eliminate all commands such as push and run, which would enable a user to get access to the Unix operating system. (I don't remember the name of this option offhand, but it's described either in the installation or config docs that are included in the cku???.tar.* distributions.) However, this will not disable (I don't think) such commands as cd and del. Short of tinkering with the sources, I don't know how you would restrict these commands within Kermit. Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas. See your man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about permissions. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 18:18:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:18:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:18:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 News Date: 21 Oct 1994 18:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3890lt$og2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta-7 of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 should be ready early next week. It will fix some problems that many of you have been reporting, particularly those relating to command-parsing and execution of TAKE files containing long and/or continued lines. Meanwhile, here are a couple FAQ's, with A's: Q: My old command file doesn't work - comments are no longer treated as comments. For example: "set block 3;Use CRC error detection". A: The syntax for trailing comments is now a bit stricter. In order for a semicolon to be regarded as comment introducer, it must either be the first character on the line, or else be preceded by a space or tab. This is to allow semicolons to be included more naturally in commands like "send foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;15;3;2;1c", and it is also consistent with C-Kermit rules. Q: My system hangs (crashes, explodes, ...) when I use version 3.14, but version 3.13 works OK. A: Most likely this is because of the change in default for SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY from OFF to ON. If Kermit tries to use expanded memory but expanded memory is configured incorrectly, then terrible things can happen. In Beta-7, the default for this will be put back to OFF. Meanwhile, if you are experiencing any sort of problem, begin by giving this command (SET TERM EXPANDED OFF) yourself. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 15:41:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:13:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:12:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 21 Oct 1994 11:41:04 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 11 Message-Id: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to manually assign these strings to the arrows. -Victor From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 23:37:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:35:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.security.misc Subject: Re: Help with MS-Kermit and C-Kermit security Date: 21 Oct 1994 23:37:04 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 33 Message-Id: <389jb0$mi8@news.halcyon.com> References: <1994Oct20.023113.30556@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:846 comp.security.misc:12452 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: > Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do > that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and > directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas. See your > man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about > permissions. Also check out the chroot() system call. For example, you could set up a directory with a kermit executable, and a small suid wrapper program as follows: $ cat safekermit.c #include int main(){ chroot("/path/of/safe/dir"); chdir("/"); setuid(getuid()); execl("kermit", "bin/kermit", "-x", (const char *)0); } $ ls -ld safekermit ---s--x--x 1 root bin 416117 Oct 21 15:20 safekermit $ cd /path/of/safe/dir $ ls -ld . bin bin/kermit drwxrwxrwx 3 kermit kermit 96 Oct 21 15:20 . d--x--x--x 2 bin bin 96 Oct 21 15:20 bin ---x--x--x 1 bin bin 416117 Oct 21 15:20 kermit This would limit to the subtree rooted at /path/of/safe/dir the potential damage that someone could possibly do. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 22 20:52:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!uquebec.ca!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: <-CxzGD1.7Hw@UQuebec.CA> Control: cancel Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 20:52:32 GMT Approved: news@uquebec.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 05:26:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:48:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 02:48:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 05:26:10 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: >Hello! >modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance >that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and >VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the >host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to >manually assign these strings to the arrows. This brings up a pain-in-the-neck situation with respect to VT emulation: Some systems and applications expect '^[[A', etc., while others (particularly IBM mainframes) expect '^[OA'. I once checked the file that has the key bindings for our tn3270, and found that it is set up for either (so is the default .joerc, for that matter). Oh well, I guess it's fortunate that keys can easily be remapped in Kermit with text strings in the INI file, unlike some other comm software out there... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 01:08:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:43:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:43:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (Miriam Chan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 23 Oct 1994 01:08:11 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 31 Message-Id: <38cd1r$mjo@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sparc2.cs.cuhk.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: :-) However, there is an annoyance that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 :-) (and also VT220, VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC :-) B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the host software (namely emacs) expects Yes, I found that the binding of arrow keys really have problem. It inserts a '^[' instead of '[' in the escape sequence. I am using tcsh, where the default file-completion is done by '^[^['. So, everytime I hit the up arrow, I saw the filenames in my root directory :-( Plus a 'A'. I think I should have the time to hack and report the bugs in source code, but til now I got too many things to do, although I still have the time to follow it ;-). Regards, 3/06)z. -- ******************************************************************************** * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************** * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 20 08:30:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 04:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new??? Message-Id: <1994Oct20.143022.30642@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 94 14:30:22 MDT References: <1994Oct19.095314.30446@cc.usu.edu> <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3865oo$8g2@liberator.et.tudelft.nl>, richard@dutepp6.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >>> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why? >>> >>------ >> I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really >>testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final >>release. > > Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong > about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester > and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since > they are new. > And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so > you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something > that is supposed to be changed. ------------ Wondering is one thing, demanding an explanation (", why?") is another and that's what I reacted to. Betas change at a rapid rate, faster than we can take time to type up a long explanation of what's new, though we do try. Not every change comes from this list, but we do lay it out for folks by release time or sooner if possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 16:25:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:46:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:46:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 94 22:25:36 MDT References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) writes: > Hello! > > I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very > important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI > modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance > that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and > VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the > host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to > manually assign these strings to the arrows. ---------- No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. Let's explore a little to discover that thing. Cutout from Kermit distribution file msvibm.vt (this is also in the User's Manual book "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Now, the curious thing is if the comms channel is presumed to be 8-bits wide then CSI goes out just fine as an 8-bit control code. But if the channel chops the high bit then what's left of CSI looks exactly the same as ESC (155 - 128 = 27). Hmmmmm. We've warned folks time and again that comms channels may not be clean or 8-bits wide and there is no safe way of discovering these details automatically. And this seems to be such a case. Since Kermit can't know the channel eats the high bit we educate Kermit on the matter. SET PARITY SPACE in Kermit says the channel changes all high bits to zeros, so please accomodate. And Kermit does so by sending eight bit control codes as seven bit equivalents. CSI goes to ESC [. Ah ah! See top line of cutout. Notice something else in the cutout. The arrow keys send different things depending on the mode induced by the host; one string does not fit all occassions. That's why these keys are Kermit keyboard "verbs", because Kermit knows which string to send under each condition without bothering the user. I'm glad to hear that things are better with your modem. That's always a sensitive area. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 21 04:35:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 13:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: why do screen colors change? Message-Id: <1994Oct21.103503.30745@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 94 10:35:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: > > hello eveyone. > i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to > our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from > bright or bold white to just regular white. 3.13 didn't > do this. Is this something someone needs to check, or > a possible configuration problem here? It's very reproducable. > Happens every time. > > Thanks, and keep up the good work! 3.14 looks really nice. --------------- There is a bug in the handling of bold video attribute. It's fixed in beta-7, but beta-7 has some other things requiring time to straighten out. Thus we won't be issuing beta-7 until after the weekend. Thanks, Joe D. terly about the Control-space part not yielding \0 in Kermit I had to alias the space bar to s an codes rather than its natural ASCII value \32. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 11:58:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:07:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 16:07:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!news.cuny.edu!n52bc From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: procomm-kermit Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 15:58:33 EDT Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 5 Message-Id: <94296.155833N52BC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me. I have a dial up account to the internet. In order to download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the kermit protocol. But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to download. If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please respond. I will greatly appreciate it. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 23:58:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 20:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 20:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!asuvax!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!nolan From: nolan@crow.lpl.arizona.edu (Mike Nolan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 23 Oct 1994 23:58:07 GMT Organization: Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38etaf$j0v@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crow.lpl.arizona.edu Cc: > (Victor Boyko) writes: >> VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' In article <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit >environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. >Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from >the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit As I understand that: if I have set terminal control 7, I should get ESC [ A etc? show term says Term controls: 7-bit. I still get \233 A (the 8-bit CSI) I explicitly set term control 7, and I still get \233 A. I set term byte 7 and set parity space, and then I get \033 A. This is using vt102 emulation in MSK 3.14 beta-6 -Mike Nolan -- Mike Nolan nolan@{lpl.arizona.edu,arizvms.bitnet,looney.span} Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona, Tucson AZ 85721 USA Phone +1 602 621 1594 or message at 2234; Fax +1 602 621 4933 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 00:09:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:12:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:12:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU!lusgr From: lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Date: 24 Oct 1994 00:09:59 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chili.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. : Joe D. I noticed the same thing. For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends out ESC O P normally. However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes C-O P which doesn't seem to be right. Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but becomes ESC A. I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until the beta 7, but since you brought it up... I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function keys stopped working. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roseman Lehigh University Computing Center lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.Edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 08:20:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:06:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23440 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:06:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: APC's and auto-downloading Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 08:20:35 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in kermit -s on the remote computer? BTW, the APC documentation is not quite clear to me which is why I am asking this question. -- Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:18:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:18:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:18:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC's and auto-downloading Date: 24 Oct 1994 13:18:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38gc6c$nu5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in > kermit -s on the remote computer? > The host application must send an APC escape sequence containing "receive", e.g. kermit -C "apc receive, send foo.bar" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:19:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:19:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:19:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Deleting files after send Date: 24 Oct 1994 13:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <38gc9c$o0f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > > How do I delete files after sending them through the kermit -s > command, like the sz -u command in Zmodem? (BTW, I do not want this as the > default) > You'll have to write a macro for this, e.g. define usend send \%1, if success delete \%1 and then use "usend" instead of send. If you want to access this command from the system command line, do it like this: kermit -C "usend foo.bar" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 16:25:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:25:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 12:25:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 Ready for Testing Date: 24 Oct 1994 16:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <38gn5g$ah8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 is now available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Windows PIF file: Program version number corrected to 3.14; hardwired pathname is now avoided on the assumption that KERMIT.EXE has been installed somewhere in your PATH, so now the PIF file does not need alteration by those who do not install KERMIT.EXE in C:\KERMIT (follow the Windows installation instructions in the top-level READ.ME file). . Fossil code now reinitializes the fossil driver upon return from DOS; fossil/BBS operations should work smoother now. . TAKE-file reader bugs fixed; TAKE-file command lines can be up to 1000 characters in length (hyphenated or not). . More work on improving ESC key word completion in the command line parser. . Various other fixes to command parser, mainly involving improper responses to illegal commands. . Tektronix-mode escape-back/connect-again now goes back to Tek screen as it should, rather than to text screen. . Status-line legend 7n1 is now explained in Alt-h popup help screen. . In ANSI emulation, Ctrl-L is now treated as ANSI home-and-clear-screen. . SET TERM EXPANDED-MEMORY default is back to OFF. Using expanded memory, if it is present, by default should be safe, but it seems that memory-management configurations are often incorrect and/or inconsistent (e.g. between DOS and Windows). Also, additional consistency/sanity checks are made when you SET TERM EXPANDED ON. . SET TERM CONTROLS {7,8} again operates as advertised; thus arrow keys, etc, send 7-bit (default) or 8-bit CSI. Prior to Beta-7, arrow-key (etc) sequences would be improperly sent in 8-bit form when TERMINAL CONTROLS 7 if TERM CHARACTER-SET was TRANSPARENT. This should clear up the problems recently reported with arrow keys, etc. . Visual bold attribute in terminal emulation corrected to track user preference set via the SET TERM COLOR command. . SHOW TERM now says "underscore" rather than "underline", to agree with the SET TERM UNDERSCORE command. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 15:20:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:08:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 14:08:09 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!UQuebec.CA!Rene_Ouimet From: Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) Subject: New apc in kermit 3.13 Sender: news@uquebec.ca (news) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:20:12 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: panoramix.uqss.uquebec.ca Organization: Universite du Quebec X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting ms-kermit to send back it's version. The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... Thanks for any help... Rene_Ouimet@uqss.uquebec.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:06:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:07:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:06:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New apc in kermit 3.13 Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:06:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <38h0kf$7so@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) writes: > I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string > from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting > ms-kermit to send back it's version. > > The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the > user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old > terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... > Well, this is tricky. Starting in version 3.14, Kermit sends its version as part of the Answerback string: MS-DOS KERMIT_314_term-type In version 3.13, the answerback string was: MS-DOS KERMIT (but with no CR on the end). In version 3.12 and earlier, there was no answerback message. Thus, if you can get each PC user to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, and then send an ENQ character (Ctrl-E), and if you get back MS-DOS KERMIT" in response, then it's version 3.13 or later and therefore OK to use APC. But then, if you can get them to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON, you can just as easily get them to SET TERMINAL APC ON. I don't think there is any good way to do this that will always work. In 3.0 through 3.12, the TERMINALR/S macros had no definitions, and so it does no good to send the corresponding sequences -- you might or might not get anything back, and even if something does come back you can't predict what it will be. In 3.13 and later you can't use an APC sequence to ask any questions, because any function (like OUTPUT) that could send arbibrary material to the host in response to an escape sequence is disabled by default, for safety. Similarly, answerback messages are also disabled by default, though this is not for safety as much as it is a defense against noisy connections. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 23 14:01:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:12:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:12:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!miclon!xmission!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320 Message-Id: <1994Oct23.200109.30954@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Oct 94 20:01:09 MDT References: <388neg$6m0@doc.cs.nyu.edu> <1994Oct21.222536.30840@cc.usu.edu> <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38eu0n$1arp@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) writes: > : No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. > : Joe D. > > I noticed the same thing. For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends > out ESC O P normally. However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes > C-O P which doesn't seem to be right. Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but > becomes ESC A. I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until > the beta 7, but since you brought it up... > > I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics > characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function > keys stopped working. > > Steve ------- Ok, I now understand the problem. It's fixed in the next beta release, as they say. Situation is like this. With TRANSPARENT GRight some people still want to deal with glyphs in the C1 8-bit control area, and they may do so via ALT-nnn and the like. Thus for TRANSPARENT 8-bit stuff is sent as-is. But the keyboard verbs (arrows etc) went though the same procedure, and thus could come out as SS3 P and so forth. Comments on choppage still apply. In beta-7 have added a separate pathway for the keyboard verbs such that they are converted into 7-bit equivalents if SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT has been given. Beta-7 will be available Monday, baring any last minute discoveries. Since News postings to/from my place take at least a day to cross the country you may see beta-7 before this message. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:47:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:48:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!EU.net!uknet!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:47:09 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 205 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <38h2vt$5j4@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen (ravn@imada.ou.dk) wrote: % I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it. I would very % much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so % far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived % last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap % Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit? Here you go. Perhaps the Kermit team would like to pick it up and include it in the distribution. I haven't been watching comp.terminals lately, so I don't know if there's a more recent version. Leila -- # Description: DEC vt320 termcap entry # # Created by: composer@cs.bu.edu on 10 Feb 1990. # Last modified by: composer@cs.bu.edu on 20 Mar 1990. # Posted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 15 Feb 1990. # Reposted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 20 Mar 1990. # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # This vt320 termcap entry is a test entry for a vt320. (Imagine that? ;-) # It was written from scratch. All (well, at least, most :) of the # capabilities have been commented and should be approximately in the order # that they are in the entry. I took some educated guesses at some of # these, with info from the vt320 "Installing and Using .." manual and from # some other termcap entries. I have yet to test the status line stuff, I # will probably test it soon, though. Where I wasn't sure what to put for # a capability, I added a comment of some sort. Also, the initialization # string has comments about what each control sequence is supposed to do. # If you have any comments or questions regarding this termcap entry, or if # you see something I missed, please send me a note. Thanks... # # Enjoy!! # # -jeff # # p.s. Yeah, all these comments don't need to be included, but (who knows?) # they might be useful for some of those out there that have not built a # termcap entry before, or have forgotten. If any changes are made that I # feel should be reposted, I will probably only post the main termcap entry # with the comment for the `is' capability only. But, then...I dunno.. :) # # Jeff Kellem # INTERNET: composer@cs.bu.edu (or composer@bu.edu) # UUCP: ...!harvard!bu-cs!composer # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # hs: has status line # es: other display cmds work while writing the status line # (i.e. escape strings work) ## ts: cmds to move cursor into status line # moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?), # then clears to end of line # fs: cmds to move cursor back from status line to previous position # ds: cmds to disable the display of the status line # maybe we should just set status line type to none for disable # as in, :ds=\E[0$~ # but, then, may have to chg to host-writable stat line to # move into it. :( probably leave it alone for now.. # anyways, would rather just keep it host-writable.. # currently, we're doing .. # moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?), # clears to end of line, then moves cursor back to prev position # im: enter insert mode # ei: exit insert mode # IC: insert N chars # mi: safe to move cursor in insert mode. I'm assuming that the # terminal remains in insert mode. (I need better technical docs ;-) # dc: cmds to delete one char position at the cursor # DC: cmds to delete N chars # dm & ed: enter/exit delete mode .. should these be here? NO del mode! # in some termcap entries they seem to be set to nothing, as in: # :dm=:ed=: ... and others they are nonexistent # al & AL: insert one/N line/s # dl & DL: delete one/N line/s # cs: set scroll region - 2 args, top and bottom lines of region # sf: cmds to scroll one line up # sr: cmds to scroll one line down # am: flag says wrap on margin # xn: flag says cursor on last column/line wrap glitch # ce: cmds to clear to EOL # cl: cmds to clear entire screen and position cursor at upper left # cd: cmds to clear the line the cursor is on to end of screen # ec: cmds to clear N chars, starting with char cursor is on # cm: cmds to move to cursor position LINE, COLUMN # ho: cmds to move cursor to home position, upper left corner # @@@ NO ll: cursor to lower left ?? # cr: cursor to beginning of line ?? set to ^M right now, why not? # nw: cmds to move cursor to beginning of next line # ta: cmds to move cursor forward to next hardware tab # @@@ NO bt: NO backward tab that I can find .. so, NOT included # bs: ADDED 27 Feb 1990, nethack and some older programs need this # `bs' capability is obsolete now, though... # le: cmds to move cursor left one column - should this just be ^H ?? # bc: OBSOLETE - same as `le' capability --REMOVED # nd: cmds to move cursor right one column # up & do: cmds to move cursor up/down one line # LE,RE,UP,DO: move cursor N of above lower case capabilities # sc & rc: save/restore cursor position # so & se: start/end standout mode (reverse video) # ms: says that it is safe to move cursor in standout mode.. # is this ok??? @@@ ?? seems so..but, maybe not..who knows? # mb: cmds to turn on blinking attribute # md: cmds to turn on bold/double-bright attribute # mk: cmds for invisible attribute # mr: cmds to turn on reverse attribute # me: cmds to turn OFF all attributes # @@@ What about uc & ul capabilities .. old underlining stuff..?? # @@@ doesn't seem like vt320 can deal with it, but who knows? # @@@ What to do about alternate character set?? vt320 can handle more # @@@ than one alternate set, it looks like. # vi & ve: cmds to turn cursor off & on # bl: cmds to sounds bell # ks: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys in application mode # ke: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys back to normal # kl/kr/ku/kd: chars sent by left/right/up/down arrow keys in appl mode # k1 .. k4: chars sent by pf1 .. pf4 keys # l1 .. l4: strings on pf1 .. pf4 keys (really, "pf1" to "pf4") # @@@ put here so as not to confuse with f1 to f4 keys # kD: chars sent by the `Remove' key ("delete char" key) # kI: chars sent by the `Insert Here' key ("ins char" or # "enter ins mode" key) # kN: chars sent by the `Next Screen' key ("next page" key) # kP: chars sent by the `Prev Screen' key ("previous page" key) # what about "scroll forward/reverse" key capabilties instead?? nah.. # is: initialization string # exit vt52 mode # set operating mode to vt300 mode, 7-bit controls (default) # soft terminal reset # set screen width to 80 columns, side-effect => clears screen # set screen mode to dark background # OVERRIDE disabling of autowrap (from soft reset) # probably shouldn't, but who cares? :) # set autorepeat mode on # set scrolling to jump scroll # set keyboard usage mode to typewriter # set status line type to host-writable # @@@ set tab stops to every 8 positions (only first 9, for 80 col) # @@@ *NO* need to set tab stops. `tset' should try to do it, since `ct' # @@@ and `st' capabilities exist. It uses a combination of `ct', `st', # @@@ and `ch' (or `cm') capabilities to set tab stops at every 8 pos. # # rs: reset string, same as `is' capability, right now.. # any other suggestions? # st: cmds to set tab stop at current cursor column # ct: cmds to clear all tab stops # db|vt320|vt300|vt320-am|vt300-am|dec vt320 w/am:\ :co#80:li#24:\ :hs:\ :es:\ :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K:\ :fs=\E[0$}:\ :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$}:\ :im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:mi:\ :IC=\E[%d@:\ :dc=\E[P:DC=\E[%dP:\ :al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:sf=\ED:sr=\EM:\ :am:xn:\ :ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[J:cd=\E[J:ec=\E[%dX:\ :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ho=\E[H:\ :cr=^M:nw=\EE:ta=^I:bs:\ :le=\E[D:nd=\E[C:up=\E[A:do=\E[B:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:DO=\E[%dB:\ :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:\ :so=\E[7m:se=\E[27m:ms:\ :mb=\E[5m:md=\E[1m:mk=\E[m:mr=\E[7m:me=\E[m:\ :us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:\ :vi=\E[?25l:ve=\E[?25h:\ :bl=^G:\ :ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:\ :k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:\ :l1=PF1:l2=PF2:l3=PF3:l4=PF4:\ :kD=\E[3~:kI=\E[2~:kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :rs=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :st=\EH:ct=\E[3g: # db|vt320-w|vt300-w|dec vt300:\ :co#132:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :tc=vt320: # # da: says scroll up may bring back some lines..does it? haven't # tried it. (Maybe should get rid of `da'...up to you.) # Are there any other enhancements made in Kermit's vt320 emulation # that I should add? # de|vt320-kermit|mskermit|kermit-vt320|MS-Kermit v3.00 vt320 emulation:\ :ch=\E[%dG:cv=\E[%dd:\ :da:tc=vt320: # these names are getting ridiculous .. de|vt320-kermit-w|mskermit-w|kermit-vt320-w|MS-Kermit vt320 (wide):\ :co#132:\ :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\ :tc=vt320-kermit: # End of vt320 termcap entry -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@susx.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 19:27:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:44:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:44:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!not-for-mail From: david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Date: 24 Oct 1994 12:27:53 -0700 Organization: UC Irvine, Department of ICS Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: binky.ics.uci.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Executive Summary: Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from clearing the screen? Fuller Description: I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the prompt for the user's login name, at which point control is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved by the loss of the prompt for the login name. I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are doing the blanking). Apology: If this is not the right newsgroup for a question of this level, I do apologise. I won't bore you with the list of places I looked before posting, but, honest, I did look :-) -------- David Harnick-Shapiro Support Group, Department of david@ics.uci.edu Information and Computer Science ucbvax!ucivax!david University of California, Irvine From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 22:04:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 18:04:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Date: 24 Oct 1994 22:04:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <38hb0k$or5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) writes: > Executive Summary: > Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from > clearing the screen? > > Fuller Description: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. > If the command parser is active, then the terminal emulator is not active, and vice versa. There is no screen to clear. The terminal screen is created when you first CONNECT, which is after your script program has finished executing. There is no way around this. To soothe your users, maybe you could add a message to your script program like: echo Your are now logged in to blah. In a moment, you will be echo connected to blah. Please do not be unnerved by the blank screen. getc \%a Press any key to begin your session... > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). > Version 3.13 has been out since June 1993, and we are now beta-testing version 3.14 (note: the GETC command in the example above is new to 3.14). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 23:54:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:05:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:05:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looping until keypress Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:54:41 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 35 Message-Id: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file def loop - :l - set alarm 5,- pause 5,- if not alarm goto e,- output \13,- goto l,- :e - end However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line. Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds, and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr :l set alarm 5 pause 5 if not alarm goto e output \13 goto l :e end then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Victor From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 22:07:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:08:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:07:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!fritz From: fritz@gems.vcu.edu (J. E. Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New apc in kermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1994Oct24.180723.2045@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 18:07:23 -0400 References: Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rene_Ouimet@INFOPUQ.UQuebec.CA (Rene Ouimet) writes: > I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string > from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting > ms-kermit to send back it's version. > > The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the > user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old > terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions... We use the PRODUCT macro for this, since it is supported in both 3.12 and 3.13. On the other hand, we were lucky enough to have started doing this in 3.12, so the move to 3.13 was fairly smooth. -Fritz From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 04:15:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 00:21:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 00:21:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for multiple phone number macro Date: 25 Oct 1994 00:15:17 -0400 Organization: ncsc Lines: 18 Message-Id: <38i0ol$fct@romulus.ncsc.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.ncsc.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone have a macro for dialing multiple phone numbers in C-kermit? Ok to assume same parameters (baud, parity, etc). It should try the numbers in sequence, repeating that sequence until a successful connection was made or it was interrupted. I was envisioning a macro that could be used in .ksd, and the first time it was invoked would load an array from a new file, say $HOME/.kgd, that would define named groups of related numbers. These named groups would be used with the macro in place of the phone number, and the macro itself would be used in place of the "call" macro. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten quite comfortable enought to write it myself yet, but being something that seems to me pretty obvious, I'm hoping someone else has. -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:28:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:05:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:05:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:18 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu>, David Harnick-Shapiro (david@binky.ics.uci.edu) wrote: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. My suggestion would be to have your login script (your TAKE file) prompt the user for his/her login name and password, and put these values into variables for later use by your script (that is to say, have your script handle the prompts for login name and password, too.) On my host, for example, login can fail for a variety of reasons after the login name and password is supplied. I've added more instructions to my login script to handle this situation, thus automating the entire login process. > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). No, they are not. You see on your terminal screen only what comes in from the serial port after the CONNECT command executes. If you have your CONNECT command conditional on the results of an INPUT command ('INPUT {whatever}', 'IF SUCCESS CONNECT'), you'll see on your terminal screen only what immediately follows the string that the INPUT command was testing for. If you decide to have your script handle the login name and password prompts, I'd suggest that you update to at least MSK 3.13. Your users will not want their passwords to echo back on the screen; MSK 3.13 includes a new command, ASKQ, which turns echo off when it prompts the user. (You might want to prompt them twice for their password, and have your script compare the entries for consistency.) Also, for security, it would probably be a good idea to add a line or two to flush the user's login name and password out of memory ('ASSIGN \%variable' with no value following will do the job) just before going to CONNECT mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 25 05:43:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:08:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:08:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!vanbc!cacclin From: cacclin@vanbc.wimsey.com (Stephen Cacclin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: URGENT: Kermit needed for SuperDOS Date: 24 Oct 1994 22:43:51 -0700 Organization: Wimsey Information Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: vanbc.wimsey.com Keywords: SuperDOS Kermit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #13 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just as the tag line says...I am in need of Kermit for an operating system named SuperDOS. SuperDOS is a very esoteric multi-tasking pseudo-O/S for PC's made by BlueBird Systems of California. They have informed me that there is a version of Kermit available - anyone know where? I have looked at kermit.columbia.edu but could not find it. First correct respondent is truly a master of weird and archaic knowledge. Actually, if I find anyone who has even heard about SuperDOS, I'll be amazed. Help! Stephen Cacclin Echelon Computing From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:55:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:31:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:31:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: The reason why I (and many others) can't upload... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:55:48 GMT Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-posting this here may seem like proselytizing the converted, but I thought that there might be some in this group who would enjoy seeing it (like f'rinstance, the Kermit developers :) ... [ Article crossposted from netcom.software ] [ Author was Glenn R. Stone ] [ Posted on Tue, 25 Oct 1994 01:11:00 GMT ] In deejay@netcom.com (Jack Wilson) writes: >... because I telnet in (from a local freenet). TELNET only transmits >7 bits, so it chokes on 8-bit protocols like ZMODEM and XMODEM. > RLOGIN can handle uploads just fine. this is gonna *sound* cheesy, but it's a lot better than you'd think... so can... (ta daaaa) Kermit. "But Kermit sucks!" Not anymore. Kermit 3.14 for DOS and 5A(190) for Unixen supports megapackets (up to 9k if your connection will handle it, though 9600 usually goes best at around 1k), sliding windows, partial file transfers for those bombed connections, TCP/IP (that's right, Kermit does NETWORKS! Let's see DumbCom 57.5 do that!), and, in the DOS version (at least), a damn nice vt320 emulator with configurable colors for the various underline/blinkenmoden. Now, granted, this is beta software, but 5A(190) is due out of beta Real Soon Now, and 3.14 will follow it... and most of the beta bugs are on real obscure systems or some such (I did find a bug in 5A(178) when it came out, but that was when AIX was fairly damned obscure, so my point stands...). The goodies (source and pre-compiled executables for your favourite boxen) are on ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test (I think that's right, follow the README's to be sure) and free for the taking. "But how am I gonna get the binaries down to my PC if I'm stuck with eightbit download software and a seven bit line?" Have no fear, gentle netizen, they've solved that problem. They've got an encoded bootstrap file and a little BASIC program to decode it into a form you can use to go grab the real thing. Check out the README files and such like in the appropriate directories. Not only that, if you really don't want to give up WunderKom but are still stuck with the seven bit curse, they've got a stripped down version called KerLite you can use as an auxiliary transfer program (i.e. shell out, crank up KerLite to do your download, exit back, and be back in your favorite snazzy screenbitpusher). This sounds a helluva lot like a sales pitch. It's not. Kermit is FREE, gratis, de nada, on the net.house. But having put a little time and effort in on it myself and (a) seeing how extremely functional, albeit in an un-flashy way, it is and (b) preferring to see folks get something for free than shell out hard-earned bucks to the fat cats, I thought I'd say something. Besides, I'm tired of seeing a damn nice piece of work get dissed (or worse, dis-missed). It scripts, it autodials, it slices, it dices, it juliennes fries. And all for the price of your time to go fetch it. No, it's not flashy. It works. Well. The only thing it won't do is run X, and that's the only reason I ever touch another commo program DOSwise. It's the only thing I use to serve downloads on the Unix side. You could even use it in place of FTP if you've a kitchy machine or firewall in the way. Whee. In a nutshell: Seven-bitters, get Kermit and grin instead of whine. warp eight bot, kermit addict From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 13:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen? Message-Id: <1994Oct24.192400.31110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 19:24:00 MDT References: <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38h1rp$91g@binky.ics.uci.edu>, david@binky.ics.uci.edu (David Harnick-Shapiro) writes: > Executive Summary: > Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from > clearing the screen? > > Fuller Description: > I'm writing a TAKE file; it handles everything up to the > prompt for the user's login name, at which point control > is handed over the user (via CONNECT). But executing > CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved > by the loss of the prompt for the login name. > > I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts > are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are > doing the blanking). --------- Nope. The terminal emulator must be in a known state when emulation begins, and the screen should be clean to hold what the host may send. Imagine the host sending cursor commands over a screen previously scribbled upon at Kermit command level. That would be a mess for 99.x% of the users. Why not go ahead and finish the script job by prompting for a password and reading it quietly, then start Connect mode? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 15:49:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:13:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:13:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: <1994Oct24.214919.31123@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Oct 94 21:49:19 MDT References: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) writes: > Hello! > > I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds > until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file > > def loop - > :l - ^^^^---------- syntax error. This line must have a comma to demark the end of line, like this :l,- Use SHOW MAC LOOP to see its definition. > set alarm 5,- > pause 5,- > if not alarm goto e,- > output \13,- > goto l,- > :e - > end > > However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line. > Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds, > and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I > press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr > > :l The end of line is explicit in the file since you put it there. > set alarm 5 > pause 5 > if not alarm goto e > output \13 > goto l > :e > end > > then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is > inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is. The corrected form of your macro (not Take file) works perfectly here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 07:50:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 04:30:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 04:30:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!med.su.oz.au!blackburn.med.su.oz.au!alucas From: alucas@blackburn.med.su.oz.au (Andrew Lucas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: z-modem & c-kermit Date: 25 Oct 1994 17:50:57 +1000 Organization: Faculty of Medicine, University of Sydney Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blackburn.med.su.oz.au Summary: zmodem & c-kermit Keywords: zmodem Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there world, I use c-kermit for OS2 and have a great utility program called p.exe which provides zmodem capability to c-kermit. Question: Is there an equivalent UNIX program that I can get for my host? Thanks in advance Andrew - Sydney, Australia alucas@med.su.oz.au From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 09:28:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:28:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DIALING SCRIPT not found Date: 25 Oct 1994 09:28:41 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work. I've read the documentation that came with mstibm.zip from the ftp site. I've tried all the flavors of setting my dialups.txt and it still tells me that dialing script not found. I am currently running with the following set in my autoexec.bat : SET DIALFILE=C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT What's wrong!!!! :-( Dwight -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 09:11:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:54:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:54:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:11:41 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38hhg1$4n@doc.cs.nyu.edu>, Victor Boyko (vb1890@cs.nyu.edu) wrote: >Hello! >I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds >until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in a script. You could solve the directory problem by defining a macro that points to the script, eg. 'define loop take c:\kermit\loop' or some such. (You could then tie it to a hot key, with 'set key \#### {\Kloop}', where #### is the scan code of whatever key you want to activate it.) Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 05:17:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:22:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 08:22:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 05:17:20 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) to MS-Kermit 3.14? Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to turn on and off for memory considerations :-) Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 13:11:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:12:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:11:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DIALING SCRIPT not found Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:11:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38j06r$hf8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38ij49$rm2$1@heifetz.msen.com> jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) writes: > > I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work. > Oops. There is a problem in Beta-7 that will be fixed in Beta-8. Watch this space for announcements. Sorry. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 13:14:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:14:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:14:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in > a script. > Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros. You can even issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context. As Joe pointed out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 15:33:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:06 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:33:57 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 03:22:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:31:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Oct 94 09:22:54 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) > to MS-Kermit 3.14? > > Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. > > Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to > turn on and off for memory considerations :-) > > Ken > kudut@ritz.mordor.com ---------- There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of code in an already extremely complex environment internally. As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 16:48:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:00:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:00:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Looping until keypress Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:48:01 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38j0ar$hju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) >writes: >> I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in >> a script. >> >Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros. You can even >issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context. As Joe pointed >out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma. Ahh, that's good to know. Our news feed's been a bit slow, and Joe's article hadn't reached us when I posted. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 24 16:15:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:48:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:48:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: procomm-kermit Date: 24 Oct 1994 16:15:58 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 Message-Id: <38gmju$njl@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <94296.155833N52BC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >Can somebody help me. I have a dial up account to the internet. In order to >download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the >kermit protocol. But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to >download. If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please >respond. I will greatly appreciate it. Like this: On your Unix system on the Internet, running C-Kermit, say: kermit -s filename then press the PgDn key on your PC, and Procomm will attempt to download the file. The old, shareware, version of Procomm which I had was far backlevel, even then, in the Kermit features supported. Hope they're better now. All kinds of things can go wrong. You may not even be running Unix. Kermit may not be in your PATH. It may not be installed at all. -- Bob Shair shair@uiuc.edu Open Systems Specialist SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet) Champaign, Illinois 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 19:53:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:44:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!lester.appstate.edu!krb From: krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 25 Oct 1994 19:53:04 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lester.appstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a "Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the Ms-Kermit prompt. I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem. I have my modem defined to Hayes. I think this might be the problem. But none of the other *.scr files seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems. Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download? Kinney From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 22:57:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:57:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 Ready for Testing Date: 25 Oct 1994 22:57:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <38k2h2$l6n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 6:45pm EST, Tuesday Oct 25: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Trimming of trailing spaces at end of command and before comment in a TAKE file (broken in Beta-7) mostly fixed, but still needs a bit more work. This affected a lot dialing scripts and similar items in Beta-7. . Fossil driver fix when sending file-transfer data packets that are longer than the fossil's transmit buffer length. . SET { SEND, RECEIVE } PATHNAMES { ON, OFF } added. SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES OFF is useful on BBSs or other unattended systems when you want to restrict incoming files to the current directory. SEND is OFF and RECEIVE is ON by default for compatability with previous behavior. . Resetting the terminal (Alt-=) while in Tektronix submode of a VT terminal and then toggling to a VT mode (Alt-Minus) now restores the proper VT state for arrow-key codes sent to the host. . GETC rejects special keys (such as Fn) and quits when Control-C is typed. . Fixed bug in closing network connections when Kermit exits to DOS. . SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE {ENABLED, DISABLED, DOS-ONLY} -- DOS-ONLY added in this edit, and is the new default. Allows 80/132-column video-mode switching in DOS only, not Windows. Use ENABLED to allow it in Windows too, at your own risk (equivalent to Patch 9 in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13). . "kermit server 600" and similar commands could hang DOS. Now fixed. . KERMIT.HLP and .BWR files updated, cleaned & trimmed a bit. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 23:00:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:00:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:00:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 25 Oct 1994 23:00:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <38k2mo$lee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) writes: > Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer > here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a > "Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the > Ms-Kermit prompt. > I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem. I have my modem defined to Hayes. > I think this might be the problem. But none of the other *.scr files > seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems. > Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download? > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not one specifically for the Infotel. Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where to get the Beta. Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches the Infotel. If so, please let us know. If not, maybe you could pick out the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the same kind of modem can use it. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 00:07:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 20:07:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 20:07:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 Beta-8 Glitch Date: 26 Oct 1994 00:07:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <38k6ke$qe3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that the remaining "minor problem" regarding trimming of whitespace from commands read from TAKE files, after removing the trailing comment, prevents our dialing scripts from working. Sorry! This will be fixed in Beta-9, coming soon. Meanwhile, one can work around the problem by editing the dialing script to remove trailing comments (and intervening whitespace) from INPUT commands. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 08:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:43:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:43:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!gohkeech From: gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 Ready for Testing Date: 25 Oct 1994 08:32:12 GMT Organization: DISCS, NUS Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38ifqc$93g@nuscc.nus.sg> References: <38gn5g$ah8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gohkeech@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm facing problem dialing with beta-7. I have a dialing script to dial a list of numbers that so far has worked with beta-6. The problem is encountered after DIAL outputs the phone number and simply stops there with a NO CARRIER. -- (_orenzo . Lawrence Goh I C _|_ X C Department of Information Systems & Computer Science N I | K A National University of Singapore Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui, nobis post hoc exilium, ostende. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 14:32:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:50:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:50:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!uunet!psinntp!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Spaces after a string in Beta 7 Date: 25 Oct 1994 10:32:07 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 16 Message-Id: <38j4t7$1v5@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have discovered a feature (or maybe a bug) in Beta 7 that is not described in the release notes and that makes all old dialing scripts obsolete. For example, suppose there is a line output ATI3\13 ; Get modem information Instead of outputting "ATI3\13", Kermit outputs "ATI3\13 ". This can be fixed by changing to output {ATI3\13} ; Get modem information Without this change it does not work. -Victor From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:41:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:36:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:36:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!cpsc.ucalgary.ca!mathezer From: mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kerep-alive option? Date: 26 Oct 1994 02:41:28 GMT Organization: University of Calgary CPSC Lines: 14 Message-Id: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fsj.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit keep it alive for me? Thanks -Steve From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:21:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:22:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:22:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option? Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:21:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38lom2$ca9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) writes: > > Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? > > I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will > drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that > I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. > There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. > I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a > few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit > keep it alive for me? > You did not say what kinds of computers are involved or what versions of Kermit you are using, etc. From what you say, however, it seems that your local system, the one that you used to make the connection, is capable of running Kermit at the same time as another application. If that is true, then all you have to do is write a little script program that makes Kermit send a character every once in a while, for example: :loop sleep 60 ; Sleep for a minute output \0 ; Send a NUL goto loop Adjust as needed. When you want go back online, bring Kermit to the foreground and interrupt it, e.g. by typing Ctrl-C. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 04:01:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:44:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:44:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!hrbicf!aje From: aje@icf.hrb.com (Andrew J. Eckhardt, MS 274) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: White-space Beta-8 Message-Id: <1994Oct26.090120.22207@hrbicf> Date: 26 Oct 94 09:01:20 EST Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Your parsing of script files has a bug. (V3.14 BETA-8) Here is an excerpt from my dialing script that illustrates the bug: :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... ^ | A tab here made the input command fail. When I replaced by a space it works. Regards -- ========================================================================= Andrew Eckhardt HRB Systems, P.O. Box 60, 300 Science Park Road, State College, PA 16804 Tel 814 238 4311 FAX 814 234 7720 Internet aje@hrb.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:01:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:27:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:27:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit? References: <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: Mordor International BBS Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:01:22 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct25.092254.31155@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: > > > > Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command) > > to MS-Kermit 3.14? > > > > Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious. > > > > Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to > > turn on and off for memory considerations :-) > > > > Ken > > kudut@ritz.mordor.com > ---------- > There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an > item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the > one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last > executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what > memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately > everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of > code in an already extremely complex environment internally. > As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone > I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill. > Joe D. Actually, Joe, the way that you've written MS-Kermit to take partial commands, finish it up with the Escape key, with help available at every level... is astounding! But I was just curious :-) I thought there might be a way to use a public domain TSR recall, which "remembers" each time a user hits . Don't worry about it, Joe - it's not a big thing. And you're right - it would be far more work for you than the benefit. You provided context-sensitive help while other programmers were happy to stick only a "reminder" screen and nothing else :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:23:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:02:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:02:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!taurus.fccc.edu!vanderli From: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:23:53 GMT Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> Reply-To: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Nntp-Posting-Host: aquila.rm.fccc.edu X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-24 Originator: vanderli@aquila Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All. I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. My questions: - does this sound like a reasonable assumption? - how can I fix it? I scanned through the C-Kermit book, but did not see anything obvious. Thanks for any pointers... Michel -- ----------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------- Michel van der List | 'Dat typies hollands | The Fox Chase Cancer Center M_vanderlist@fccc.edu | vingertje' | 7701 Burholme Avenue (215) 728-3660 | | Philadelphia, PA 19111 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 17:32:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:32:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 17:32:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> vanderli@aquila.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) writes: > I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem > ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. > This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, > ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, > it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does > not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. > Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin. For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr: kermit /usr/me/x.scr or: kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr or: kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 06:51:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:20:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:20:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Digicomm Connection script does not work anymore X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 06:51:00 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using the current version of MS-Kermit. Beta-7. The script to dial with the digicomm connection 14.4 modem stopped working properly when I started using this and I have to manually dial to make connections right now. Is there a fix for this available? (Currently the problem is that during dial, the script seems to put an extra character after the dialer has been initiated therefore cancelling the dial procedure. Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 02:55:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option? Message-Id: <1994Oct26.085545.31292@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 94 08:55:45 MDT References: <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kfko$9dq@linux.cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, mathezer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Stephen Mathezer) writes: > > Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected? > > I am connected to a remote server using kermit. This server will By what pathway? TCP/IP? Serial? Another kind of networking? > drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes. The problem is that "inactive" is a slippery word, whose meaning is dependent on the item doing the measuring. > I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute. So compose a very simple macro or Take file to sit in a loop and Pause or Wait for 19 minutes and then send whatever your host wishes to consider "active" but "uninteresting" to keep the connection alive. MSK responds to TCP/IP keepalives, but it never generates gratutitous data bytes by itself (but your macro/Take file can). Please have a look at the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for examples about composing macros and Take files. > There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out. > I have to remain connected. I don't want to have to come and hit a > few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive. Can kermit > keep it alive for me? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 19:00:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:53:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:53:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!taurus.fccc.edu!vanderli From: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit at system startup? Date: 26 Oct 1994 19:00:49 GMT Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 53 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38m911$1oe@taurus.fccc.edu> References: <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: vanderli@aquila.rm.fccc.edu (Michel van der List) Nntp-Posting-Host: aquila.rm.fccc.edu X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-24 Originator: vanderli@aquila Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38m3rv$s40@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <38lopp$1va@taurus.fccc.edu> vanderli@aquila.fccc.edu (Michel van >der List) writes: >> I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem >> ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1. >> This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively, >> ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file, >> it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does >> not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy. >> >Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than >feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin. >For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr: > > kermit /usr/me/x.scr > >or: > > kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr > >or: > > kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr" > >- Frank Thanks, unfortunately I had it set up as follows: % cat kermitstuff #!/usr/local/bin/kermit ... ... ... which was nice, since my script could now just do: % cat otherscript #!/bin/csh -f /usr/local/bin/kermitstuff ... ... ... Oh well, I'll do it the other way. Michel. -- ----------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------- Michel van der List | 'Dat typies hollands | The Fox Chase Cancer Center M_vanderlist@fccc.edu | vingertje' | 7701 Burholme Avenue (215) 728-3660 | | Philadelphia, PA 19111 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 10:38:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:21:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:21:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lille1.fr!zaphod.crihan.fr!bilbo.crihan.fr!rp From: rp@bilbo.crihan.fr (Renaud Patte) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on AS400 Date: 26 Oct 1994 10:38:42 GMT Organization: CRIHAN, Mont-Saint-Aignan (France) Lines: 6 Message-Id: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: bilbo.crihan.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400. Would someone tell me where to find it? Thanks a lot. internet : rp@crihan.fr From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 21:39:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:39:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:39:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on AS400 Date: 26 Oct 1994 21:39:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> rp@bilbo.crihan.fr (Renaud Patte) writes: > I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400. > Would someone tell me where to find it? > Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400. Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever actually even started, as far as I can tell. This system (together with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major gap in the Kermit software collection. I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication methods. Anybody who is seriously interested in pursuing this should contact me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 16:58:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:35:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:35:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Message-Id: <1994Oct25.225847.31270@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Oct 94 22:58:46 MDT References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>,<388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>, meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de writes: > In Article <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> [...] >>The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but >>if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: >> >> set key \313 \32 >> >>in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated >>the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. > > My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give > special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's > keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm). > Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode, > so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence... ---------- \313 is the scan code for space-bar on regular IBM-PC keyboards. What does your keyboard produce for space bar? If it is the same as keypad 9 then I guess you are out of luck with this situation. How about changing to non-VT mode on the driver, however that might be accomplished? It is helpful to know a technical detail here. MSK's keyboard translator doesn't understand keyboards. The translator has not the faintest idea of what is printed on key caps, nor that it's a keyboard rather than something entirely different. Yup, true, and by design. The tiny key reader part reports either ASCII results or "scan" codes, for non-ASCII, coming from the Bios or from DOS. For the ASCII case some keys are aliased back to their scan codes, and the space bar is one such case. The Enter key is another. If a low level keyboard driver modfies those codes then Kermit may not produce an alias since aliases are in a hard coded list of numbers appropriate to the IBM-PC Bios (in the IBM-PC version of MS-DOS Kermit, other Bios' for Zenith 100 and Victor 9000 editions of MSK). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 05:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14/Beta-8 command-line -f bug Date: 26 Oct 94 05:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 7 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Cc: kermit@columbia.edu (Kermit Distribution) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) On my IBM PC AT, "kermit.exe -f initfile" does not read in the initialization file unless it is named mskermit.ini. However, once inside Kermit, "take initfile" works. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 25 22:31:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:50:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem Date: 25 Oct 1994 22:31:21 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1. We have a very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so that I can specifically report that the pool is busy. Can anyone suggest a reason why this is a bad idea? I'm worried that maybe Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support X4 and that's why X1 was chosen? 2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows. One of these was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4. In both cases, the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is run from DOS. Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows? Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows is active in the background? (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid question.) -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 00:51:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 20:51:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:51:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <38mtj8$i95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38k0vp$ipf@knot.queensu.ca> mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > 1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1. We have a > very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so > that I can specifically report that the pool is busy. Can anyone > suggest a reason why this is a bad idea? I'm worried that maybe > Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support > X4 and that's why X1 was chosen? > Hayes 1200 does not support X4. For modern modems, don't use HAYES.SCR, but rather one of the many high- speed modem scripts. > 2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands > at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows. One of these > was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4. In both cases, > the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is > run from DOS. Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows? > Windows is not exactly the best environment for running communications software. And there is no such thing as "simple tweak" to Windows. Well, if the PC has a buffered UART, tell Windows about it in the SYSTEM.INI file, something like COM1FIFO -- see KERMIT.BWR for details. For non- buffered UARTs, all bets are off under Windows. Unfortunately, this is an increasingly common combination... > Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows > is active in the background? (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid > question.) > There are actually many cases: Kermit is running under plain DOS, Kermit is in a Windows fullscreen session, Kermit is in a Windows window, and then all the others (OS/2, DesqView, etc). I doubt if there is anything that can be depended upon, but somebody else might know better. I recognize that we might need a little more intelligence in the dialing scripts -- falling back to lower baud rates and/or inserting pauses between output characters, etc, under error conditions, and/or allowing the speed from the dialing directory to override the default speed in the dialing script. I'm not sure if all that can (or should) be squeezed in during the Beta period. We'll see how it goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 22:07:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 05:43:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 05:43:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!news.ach.uams.edu!news From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode Date: 26 Oct 1994 22:07:42 GMT Organization: UAMS-Computing Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.30.1.66 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings! We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit. On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run C-Kermit ver. 5A(189). The only problem is that many of our users are encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various communications packages. I myself have encountered problems with an older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240 (DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal program have also been reported as problematic. Other packages such as Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to work just fine. The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit) Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads. Others have apparently encountered similar problems. My questions are these: Are there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based kermit clients? If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it behave like our 'old' kermit-32? Is there perhaps something at the vms level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly? I realize that I haven't given a great deal of detail about our problems, but I'll be happy to discuss it further if necessary. Any help/suggestions are appreciated...thanks! Bruce Hulsey Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences bbhulsey@life.uams.edu OR bruce@mail.uams.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 13:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:15:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:15:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <38o953$okf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38mjve$7cf@alvin.ach.uams.edu> bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) writes: > Greetings! > > We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an > Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit. > On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run > C-Kermit ver. 5A(189). The only problem is that many of our users are > encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various > communications packages. I myself have encountered problems with an > older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240 > (DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal > program have also been reported as problematic. Other packages such as > Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to > work just fine. The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was > that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit) > Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads. Others have > apparently encountered similar problems. My questions are these: Are > there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based > kermit clients? If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it > behave like our 'old' kermit-32? Is there perhaps something at the vms > level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly? > C-Kermit *does* work properly, it's the other products that don't. Use MS-DOS Kermit, any version back to 1981, on your PCs against C-Kermit and it will work fine. Clearly we can't be responsible for other peoples' Kermit implementations. We have no relationship with any of these companies. Most (not all) producers of commercial and shareware Kermit implementations pay little attention to the protocol definition, in particular to its extensibility features -- the negotiated parameters that, when properly implemented, allow the oldest, most primitive Kermit implementation to interoperate automatically with the newest, most feature-laden version. In chasing down complaints like these, we have encountered products that totally ignore the negotiation phase and plow ahead using whatever parameters they feel like, or, conversely, are confused by new items that would not confuse them if they paid attention to the negotiation phase. If you use real Kermit software, it will work. Or if it doesn't, you'll get good support. By the way, I'd recommend that you install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VMS system. You can obtain it via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text. Get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. Even though it is still in the test directory, this is the real release, only awaiting the big file shuffle to its new home, kermit/b, where it should show up within a few days. Aside from clearing up some problems that 5A(189) had in VMS (especially when run in batch jobs, when SPAWN'd, etc), it adds new features like file-transfer recovery. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 20:10:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 27 Oct 1994 20:10:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 124 Message-Id: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 3:08pm EDT Thursday, Oct 27: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Comment/blank/tab stripping fixed, dialing works OK again. . kermit -f d:\blah\blah\blah\oofa.scr fixed. . SET CARRIER ON seems to work fine, even during file transfer. That is, it pops back to the prompt (or DOS, depending on how Kermit was invoked) immediately when carrier drops. . SET TERM VIDEO-CHANGE DOS-ONLY / ENABLED now work as advertised. . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music". About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"... It's bad enough that we must endure the so-called "ANSI standard" -- which has nothing whatever to do with ANSI (the American National Standards Institute), and which is not a standard in any sense because it is not documented anywhere -- but... Wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the "standard" for ANSI terminal emulation? I would guess that it should be the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS, the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards 2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console driver. Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are commonly used by BBSs. For example: Two betas ago somebody complained that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing "standard". What was it? Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L. To my knowledge, no CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy printers use it for page feed). Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female" sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI standard for screen clearing). It also seems that many BBSs send ESC[6n, cursor position report request. This is a valid ANSI and VT100 sequence, but it is not part of ANSI.SYS. OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus creative interpretation of some control characters. But if one is going to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the *form* of an ANSI escape sequence (more properly called a control sequence), which is: ESC [ intermediate-characters final-character The final-character is a function code, and the intermediate characters are parameters (data or modifiers) for the function. A terminal, emulator, or other device parses these sequences very easily using a simple finite-state automaton, which works efficiently because final characters are immediately distinguishable from intermediate characters because they are in different columns of the ASCII table and thus have different bits set. Final characters are the ASCII characters @ (64) through ~ (tilde, 126). Thus, once the terminal has seen ESC [, it gobbles up all subsequent characters that are outside the final-character range and stores them in a parameter buffer, and then when it gets the final character, it executes the indicated function using the accumulated parameters, if any. Example: ESC [ 3 M deletes 3 lines, beginning at the line where the cursor is. If the number is omitted, the current cursor line is deleted. Parameters are typically numbers, semicolons, question marks, etc: printable (note: printable) ASCII characters outside the final-character range. (Why printable? Because many control characters already have time-honored functions.) Now along comes "ANSI music". What is it? It is "beeper" music encoded like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command. It comes right after the ESC [, and can start with any character at all. Example: ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ... and is terminated by a Ctrl-N. What is wrong with this idea? 1. A correctly designed escape-sequence parser will not recognize it; it is likely to encounter a final character within the string itself. In this case, the first character, M, is a final character ("delete lines"). 2. A random function will be executed depending on what final character was found, and which, if any, characters came before it. 3. The terminating character, Ctrl-N, is not in the final-character range. If no final character is encountered prior to the Ctrl-N, the Ctrl-N will be ignored, as are most other control characters inside of escape sequences. 4. Ctrl-N has an entirely different function, used all over the world for nearly three decades: Shift-Out. This tells the terminal to interpret 7-bit codes as the corresponding 8-bit codes. You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music? It's cute!" Maybe so, but then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard. The problem with the current definition is not just one of purity. It is that a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final character. So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O). So if you log in to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that point on you will no longer see total gibberish! OK, off my soapbox. The foregoing tirade was principally to head off requests for Kermit to support ANSI music. Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu, and let's hope 9 is a lucky number... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 27 22:23:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:23:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRIME Kermit binary needed Date: 27 Oct 1994 22:23:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <38p98e$mue@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody have Kermit running on a PRIME computer with PRIMOS? Most PRIME sites are able to compile it from the source, but one came up recently that did not have the PL/P compiler handy. Preferably this would be the current release, 8.15. If so, pls send me email. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 10:24:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:28:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:28:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun2!s3e0101 From: s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 28 Oct 1994 10:24:29 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Netters, I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with cntrl F5] uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error message from kermit is "too many retries". There are probably various possible solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be stripping the files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit cannot digest. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 03:50:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 06:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!tubsibr!news From: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 03:50:00 GMT Organization: Inst.f.Nachrichtentechnik, TU Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38kcjf$g5s@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> References: <386qkt$21k@ra.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de>,<388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ifn.ing.tu-bs.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Article <388i7u$3ku@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > [...] >The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but >if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put: > > set key \313 \32 > >in your MSCUSTOM.INI file. In version 3.14, we have also differentiated >the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes. My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm). Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode, so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence... --Eckart ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eckart Meyer Address: Schleinitzstr. 23 Institute for Telecommunication 38092 Braunschweig Technical University of Braunschweig Germany Phone: +49 531 391 2454 E-Mail: meyer@ifn.ing.tu-bs.de FAX: +49 531 391 5192 VMSmail: PSI%26245050551130::MEYER (DATEX-P) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 00:07:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:12:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!lester.appstate.edu!krb From: krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 28 Oct 1994 00:07:39 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> References: <38jnn0$rbn@lester.appstate.edu> <38k2mo$lee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lester.appstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not : one specifically for the Infotel. : Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where : to get the Beta. : Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches : the Infotel. If so, please let us know. If not, maybe you could pick out : the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the : same kind of modem can use it. I'd be happy to do my small part. But should I just try scripts one by one until they work? Or is there an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script to try? Kinney From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:24:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:25:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:24:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <38qu34$cm9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38pfcb$jd@lester.appstate.edu> krb@lester.appstate.edu (Kinney Baughman) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not > : one specifically for the Infotel. > > I'd be happy to do my small part. > > But should I just try scripts one by one until they work? Or is there > an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script > to try? > All the high-speed modem scripts do pretty much the same thing; only the specific modem commands are different. Here is a cutout from the MODEMS\READ.ME file: WHAT THE DIALING SCRIPTS HAVE IN COMMON These scripts use your modem's default dialing method, pulse or tone; they do not specify one or the other, since neither method is supported by all telephones everywhere. To force Tone dialing, begin your phone number with T, for example: DIAL T7654321 Similarly, to force pulse dialing, start the phone number with P. If you give a DIAL command whose telephone number is simply = (equal sign), the modem will be initialized, but no call will be placed. In some cases, the dialing script will also ask the modem to display its configuration. When dialing a real phone number, you can include special characters in the phone number to accomplish pauses, wait for secondary dialtone, etc. See your modem manual. If you dial a number that is busy, most of these scripts will wait 30 seconds and then redial automatically, up to 5 times. You can cancel the redial operation by pressing any key after you see the message: Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. Press any key to cancel... Each dialing script returns SUCCESS if dialing succeeds and FAILURE if it doesn't, so you can use an IF FAIL or IF SUCCESS statement after a DIAL command in a script. (end of cutout) So pick one of the high-speed modem scripts and read it, referring to your modem manual to see if the modem commands are the same. If not, repeat with another script and so on until you find one, or you've used up all the scripts. In the latter case, pick the script that is closest, make a copy, call the copy INFOTEL.SCR, edit it to use the appropriate modem commands, test it, debug it, and when it is working properly, you are invited to send it in for redistribution. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:33:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 09:33:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:33:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-Id: <38quji$dfe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () writes: > I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with > cntrl F5] uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error > message from kermit is "too many retries". There are probably various > possible solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be > stripping the files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit > cannot digest. > There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest. This is a tranmission problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity. Just tell Kermit to "set parity space" (or even, or mark) and it should work. Space is the most likely one to use, since Kermit can detect even, odd, or mark parity automatically, if you are using real Kermit software of recent vintage (the past several years). A second question is: how will the file be used on Unix? If you have a Unix version of WordPerfect, then you don't have to "export" the file (save it as "ascii only") from PC WordPerfect, in which case you should transfer it in binary mode. If you intend to use it for some other purpose, then you must export it. If that is what Ctrl-F5 does, then I suspect the problem you are experiencing is because the file contained German letters (Umlaute, Ess-Zet), which are 8-bit characters, which were interfered with by parity. SET PARITY will fix this, as I said above, but you also have to be concerned with the character set. Kermit will translate your German text from the PC code page to whatever character set is used on the Unix host to represent German text, typically ISO Latin-1 or the German national version of ISO 646. You can, of course, read about all of this in the manual (which is also available in German) (and French): Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:19:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:25:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!news1.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: keithw@access4.digex.net (Keith Willett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit As A Passive Data Collector Date: 28 Oct 1994 09:19:34 -0400 Organization: Wye Technologies Lines: 12 Message-Id: <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file. The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps statistical data on a periodic basis. The switch sends data to the serial port as it would to a printer. I can't signon to the switch or otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends. I am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward the results to anyone interested. Thanks. -- ---Keith Willett From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 16:01:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:40:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:40:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!kocrsv08.delcoelect.com!kocrsv01!c23st From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Subject: Re: Kermit on AS400 Message-Id: <1994Oct28.160150.18451@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> Sender: news@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Usenet News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: kocrsw24 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. References: <38lbji$r3o@zaphod.crihan.fr> <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:01:50 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38miaj$34q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400. >Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever >actually even started, as far as I can tell. This system (together >with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major >gap in the Kermit software collection. > >I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly >hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since >they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its >descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication >methods. You mean that the AS/400 is even worse than MVS in that aspect? Kermit has been on MVS for aeons... and it's EBCIDIC and hopefully uses the same protocol... Progress :-) Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46904 (317) 451-0815 Software Development Tools, AD/SI c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics/GM Hughes Electronics "Reading, 'Rithmetic, and Readnews" From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 21:06:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:50:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 17:50:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!dosa From: dosa@eng.umd.edu (Young Beom Kim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991 Date: 28 Oct 1994 21:06:49 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ether.src.umd.edu Keywords: Mac Kermit 0.991 Originator: dosa@ether.src.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991? I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further. How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS 7.1 and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Young From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 22:04:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:04:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:04:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991 Date: 28 Oct 1994 22:04:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <38rsgi$93n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38rp59$98r@mojo.eng.umd.edu> dosa@eng.umd.edu (Young Beom Kim) writes: > Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991? > I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further. > How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS > 7.1 and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/test/text directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 18:26:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 20:34:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 20:34:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!georged From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Info on DOS script Date: 28 Oct 1994 18:26:15 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Friends, I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a sequence of commands that will: 1. connect ("c" to connect) 2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response 3. type a command in [enter] 4. Wait until the next prompt comes up 5. type anothe command in [enter] 6. login name: 7. password: The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc... any help, or even isolated commands will be great. ============================================================================= TTTTTTTTTTTTT Temple University Press TTTTTTTTTTTTT George Dimitoglou TTTTT Business Dept. TTTTT TTTTT U.S.B Rm. 305 | E-mail: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu TTTTT Broad & Oxford Sts., | tempress@astro.osis.temple.edu TTTTT Philadelphia, | Tel : (215)204-8787 TTTTT Pa 19121 | Fax : (215)204-4719 ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 16:29:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 21:45:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 21:45:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!long From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Message-Id: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> Date: 28 Oct 94 16:29:33 GMT Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an SGI Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options. To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control. Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what. Thanks Neil From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 11:03:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:07:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:07:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun2!s3e0101 From: s3e0101@sun2.lrz-muenchen.de () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WP ascii files + Kermit Date: 29 Oct 1994 11:03:16 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38ta5k$l9i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <38qjgt$k2i@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> <38quji$dfe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote on a question I asked about the transmission of Wp 5.1 ascii files with kermit and said inter alia: >There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest. This is a tranmission >problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 07:40:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:40:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 07:40:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: Gianluca Attura Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest Beta? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 02:31:30 CET Organization: MC-link - Italian Dial-Up Online Service Lines: 12 Message-Id: <783394290.MC8114@mclink.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Which is the latest MS-Kermit Beta? I've downloaded kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip, but it reports Beta 9 instead of Beta 8. Luca ------------------------------ Eagle --------------------------------- _____ . _____ CompuServe : 100112,3521 \__ \O/ __/ Internet : mc8114@mclink.it BIX : gattura \__ __/ FidoNet : 2:335/336.11 GEnie : G.ATTURA /_\ Channel 1 : Gianluca Attura From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:10:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:06:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:06:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!ongsheau From: ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing problem in Beta 7 Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:10:00 GMT Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 15 Message-Id: <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ongsheau@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not found'. Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables. When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the user variable will not be included in the variable test. This could be why the CHKMDM macro doesn't detect the dialing script. -- Regards, Jonathan *** You can mail me at 'ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg' *** From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 15:57:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:11:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:11:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!strath-cs!lorne.stir.ac.uk!is06 From: is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix Date: 26 Oct 1994 15:57:40 GMT Organization: University of Stirling Lines: 13 Message-Id: <38lu9k$f7d@lorne.stir.ac.uk> References: <388mio$9rq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: is06@forth.stir.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <388j7e$qtu@lorne.stir.ac.uk> is06@stirling.ac.uk (I. Stirling) : writes: : > This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find : If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX : system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit : to also include it. Ah, that's it, it dosen't even give the telnet command. : anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary : mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz). Thanks. Ian Stirling. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:15:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:15:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:15:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Info on DOS script Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:15:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <38tlek$p0k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38rfo7$abs@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU) writes: > I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a > sequence of commands that will: > 1. connect ("c" to connect) > 2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response > 3. type a command in [enter] > 4. Wait until the next prompt comes up > 5. type anothe command in [enter] > 6. login name: > 7. password: > > The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line > dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc... > You can write a script to do anything automatically that you would do interactively, including decision-making, etc. Script-writing is documented thoroughly in the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit". Kermit's script language is a programming language, and programmers generally learn and work from manuals. Two things in connection with your question: 1. You replace CONNECT (which connects a person, through the keyboard and screen to the external device, host, or service) with OUTPUT and INPUT commands. 2. There is nothing special about a modem. You give it commands and read its responses, same as a computer that you are logging in to. So if you don't want to read the documentation, then use the dialing scripts as examples of how to carry on an automated dialog. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 14:21:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!ongsheau From: ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unstable file transfer over modem Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:21:34 GMT Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 13 Message-Id: <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ongsheau@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries, and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver 3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable, usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to abt 1100 for beta 6. -- Regards, Jonathan *** You can mail me at 'ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg' *** From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 26 16:49:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:45:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:45:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: MULLEN@SCORPION.AG.UIUC.EDU (Evil Twin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14/Beta-6: Answerback, Editing, Icon, Underscore, etc :-) Date: 26 Oct 1994 16:49:01 GMT Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <38m19t$fh3@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hornet.ag.uiuc.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 19 Oct 1994 17:38:02 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <383lhq$g1j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu writes: > In article <383hca$9fg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. > Lewart) writes: [... deleted ...] > > There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't > > reproduce. Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast > > to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display. > > > I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it > happens at random times no matter what application is running. > You know. Sometimes in the morning my alarm doesn't wake me up. Is there something wrong with my kermit set-up? Tony - :-) -- Evil Twin - one_spike the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind - //~____/ ~\\ mullen@hornet.ag.uiuc.edu \\~ \ ~// one_kill! From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:53:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:53:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:53:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> long@vax.oxford.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) writes: > Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an > SGI Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options. > To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control. > Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow > rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what. > Unless I am missing something, there is no API in IRIX for hardware flow control, so rebuilding with -DCK_RTSCTS would not have any affect, even though it compiles without error. So, as noted in ckuker.bwr, section 8, the only way to get hardware flow control with C-Kermit under IRIX is by selecting a /dev/ttyf* device. This is unfortunate, because Kermit does not (and can not) know that hardware flow control is in effect, and so (for example) cannot configure your modem correctly. This, by the way, is the same style of implementing hardware flow control that is used by NeXTSTEP. Looking through , however, I do note the following definition: #define CNEW_RTSCTS 010000000 /* RiscOS API compliance */ If this actually means something and can be used to control RTS/CTS, then some code can be added to C-Kermit, probably within #ifdef IRIX51..#endif, to take advantage of it. If you want to look into this, please send me e-mail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:56:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:56:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:56:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unstable file transfer over modem Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:56:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <38tnrh$qrn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lole$5fd@nuscc.nus.sg> ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) writes: > I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the > modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries, > and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver > 3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable, > usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to > abt 1100 for beta 6. > We will need more information in order to help you with this. It is not a general problem at all -- thousands of other people are beta-testing MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 without noticing any degradation in performance. Please read the KERMIT.BWR file about interrupt and memory conflicts. I suspect a memory conflict caused by the temporary change in SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY default to ON. It has since been changed back to OFF. If you SET TERM EXPANDED OFF and the problem goes away, this means that you have a faulty expanded memory configuration. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 14:59:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:59:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 10:59:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing problem in Beta 7 Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:59:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <38to12$qv5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38lnvo$5c7@nuscc.nus.sg> ongsheau@iscs.nus.sg (Ong Sheau Ping) writes: > The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not > found'. > Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables. > When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the > user variable will not be included in the variable test. > I think you are suffering from the time difference between New York and Singapore. These problems should all be fixed in Beta-9. When reporting problems: (a) it is better to send your reports directly by email to kermit@columbia.edu, to avoid the Usenet news time delay, and (b) please include the Beta edit number. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 17:35:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 05:05:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 05:05:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> Date: 29 Oct 94 21:35:45 EDT References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 126 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the > "standard" for ANSI terminal emulation? I would guess that it should be > the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS, > the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization > that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function > of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the > VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards > 2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console > driver. That style of escape sequences was known as "ANSI" long before Microsoft used them in the ANSI.SYS driver. I remember several terminals from the late 70's/early 80's that did not claim full VT100 compatibility but which did claim to be ANSI terminals. The main distinguishing characteristics of the new crop of `PC ANSI' terminals seem to be omitting some of the DEC specific features and adding sequences for color. Both ANSI.SYS and the DECterms on DEC workstations support the color sequences (although the DEC VT340 color graphics terminals do NOT - color is supported mainly through the graphics commands). > Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are > commonly used by BBSs. The ANSI.SYS driver doesn't include many sequences that are allowed by essentially every other `ANSI' terminal. For example, the clear-screen sequence in ANSI.SYS is defined to be ESC [ 2 J, which clears the entire screen; but essentially every ANSI terminal other than ANSI.SYS allows arguments other than 2 (0 or omitted clears from cursor to end of screen and 1 clears from cursor to beginning of screen). I don't think ANSI.SYS is very representative of anything other than itself. > For example: Two betas ago somebody complained > that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing > "standard". What was it? Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L. To my knowledge, no > CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy > printers use it for page feed). Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver > clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female" > sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI > standard for screen clearing). There actually were a couple of terminals that would clear the screen on a bare CTRL-L; I think one of the early ADM terminals (not the popular ADM-3 but an earlier one) might have, and I know that the ACT-4 did. I think one or another of the old Tektronix terminals or terminals that emulated them would also allow a CTRL-L to clear the screen in addition to the more normal ESC CTRL-L sequence that was the recommended way to clear the screen. (I know that wasn't universal for Tektronix-like terminals, so very little software used it). It's been a long time since I've dealt with that vintage of terminals, but I might be able to dig up some old documentation on them. I'm unaware of any `ANSI' terminals that clear the screen on a CTRL-L, but there might be one. It's certainly not part of the standard, even a de facto one. > [Good description of the form of an ANSI escape sequence deleted] > > Now along comes "ANSI music". What is it? It is "beeper" music encoded > like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command. It comes right after the ESC [, and can > start with any character at all. Example: > > ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ... > > and is terminated by a Ctrl-N. What is wrong with this idea? > > [... Analysis of problems with this scheme deleted...] How could ANY reasonable terminal emulator interpret this syntax as described? Since ANSI terminals are in general at the end of a wire with characters arriving at indeterminate intervals (unlike block mode terminals where you usually have definite start- and end-of-packet markers and so can know exactly what the entire sequence being sent is, so that you can design parsers for languages where the interpretation of a token can have a more complex dependency on later tokens in the stream), I don't see how this could be expected to work in the general case. The only way I can see to implement this type of functionality reliably is on a single system (say as an ANSI.SYS replacement) and to require that the entire music sequence be sent in a single write command to the OS. The amazing thing is that current practice in ANSI terminal sequences already provides a way around this. There are four sequences that allow encapsulating sequences to the terminal that might not follow ANSI syntax: ESC P Begin Device commands ESC ^ Begin Privacy commands ESC ] Begin OS commands ESC _ Begin Application commands All are terminated by an ESC \. (All of these can be replaced by the appropriate C1 control character by adding 0x40 to the character following the ESC character and omitting the ESC). Within the string bounded by these sequences, you can put anything you want that your terminal emulator can parse. Terminals that don't know how to interpret the sequences will just ignore them. Why design a kludge such as described above where you must have to make guesses about how many characters will arrive in how much time in order to parse the string, when there is already a way to do what the designer must have wanted? This is the sort of thing you might expect when someone who is not qualified to design such a protocol attempts to do so. > You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music? It's cute!" Maybe so, but > then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard. The > problem with the current definition is not just one of purity. It is that > a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape > sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final > character. > > So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in > ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O). So if you log in > to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters > and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that > point on you will no longer see total gibberish! If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal emulator environment. Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 17:23:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:23:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 12:23:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 17:23:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: > If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed > to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I > would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken > program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. > If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; > but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal > emulator environment. > > Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? > I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured from a BBS. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation. It has nothing to do with how the music string is displayed. Who cares, right? It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until a Ctrl-O is received. Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen. Messages and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and line drawing characters, etc). Yes, of course ANSI music could have been implemented as "Application Program Command" or any of the several other string-bearing escape sequences. In fact, that's what I expected it was when I first heard of it -- a well- defined, delimited string conforming to ANSI (i.e. American National Standards Institute, not "ANSI" in the BBS sense) and ISO rules, containing a series of encoded pitch and duration indications, probably as numbers separated by semicolons. How naive of me! Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot. Then it might actually gain some acceptance. Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications. In other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for other purposes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 18:59:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:01:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 30 Oct 1994 18:59:52 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 29 Oct 1994 14:53:45 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the "dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know how to configure it, just your .kermrc file. I installed Kermit 5A(189) on an Indigo with 4.0.5f, and it worked fine with only software flow control. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 19:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:45:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:45:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 19:45:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <390t45$hqa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 2:30pm EST, Sunday, October 30: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes include: . Fossil-driver hangup bug fix, and add explict raise and lower of DTR signal to perform a connection hangup when using a fossil driver. . GETC command now returns backslash numeric codes for keys which yield control codes, DEL, space, and the four delimiters (, ), {, }. \fcode(arg) now accepts backslash numeric codes as representing a character. Thus \fcode(\65) and \fcode(A) both return two bytes 65. . Internal change to ODI handler. Physical address length of Arcnet boards changed from 1 byte (which it really is) to 6 bytes to satisfy ODI. . New command SET MODEM is exactly like DEFINE _MODEM , but more intuitive, and also familiar to C-Kermit users. . Correct a bug in handling \$(NAME) environment-variable handling. . SET CARRIER ON is now enforced in addition places during packet mode, to ensure that carrier loss is acted upon immediately. . Binary-mode file transfers were broken if the transfer character-set was set to Japanese. Now fixed. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for all of this work, and to Hirofumi Fujii for the Kanji item. Note: Kanji terminal emulation is not yet operational, and is still being worked on. And thanks to all the beta testers for their good reports! Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:26:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:26:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:26:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prime Kermit Binaries Now Available Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:26:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <390vhb$k79@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Binaries for Prime Kermit versions 8.12, 8.14, and 8.15 are now available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, files: prime812.run prime814.run prime815.run Thanks to Don Prezioso and Haakan Sjoegren for sending them in! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:27:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:38:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:38:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!barrnet.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:27:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 Message-Id: <390vjf$ia2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music". : About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"... It's bad enough that we must I wouldn't invalidate the ^N sequence just to make one BBS happy. Does this BBS require a particular DEVICE=music.ansi.sys? What PC emulator can interpret it (Procomm+Music)? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 20:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:48:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:48:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!raoul From: raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS Date: 30 Oct 1994 20:46:08 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> <38tnlp$qog@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: raoul@athena.mit.edu's message of 30 Oct 1994 18:59:52 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes: Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the "dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know how to configure it, just your .kermrc file. Minor correction: this is for if your software and /dev/ entry know to handle hardware flow control, as well. Nico Garcia raoul@athena.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 28 13:26:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:15:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 19:15:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!solomon.technet.sg!symtech From: symtech@solomon.technet.sg (Symbolic_Tech.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem connection Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:26:11 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 3 Message-Id: <38qu5j$96i@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a CASE 9600 modem hook up on a Personal IRIS running IRIX 5.2. I am using uucp for dialing out to Internet. However I kept having problems when I want to dial in from outside. I followed all the steps in the system administration stated in the IRIX documentation, but it still failed. Could anyone out there give me a helping hand? Everytime when I dial in from outside, I got the message connected, but the login prompt never appeared. Thanks in advance./ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 23:44:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:41:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:41:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!rebecca!albnyvms.bitnet!BACIEWJ From: baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: vax/mac Date: 30 Oct 1994 23:44:19 GMT Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 16 Message-Id: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> Reply-To: baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet Nntp-Posting-Host: uacsc1.albany.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have two problems: I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows: parity space duplex full flow xon/xoff handshake none but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on the vax.Any thoughts? Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? thanks joe baciewicz baciewj@cnsvax.albany.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 13:26:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:13:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:13:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit As A Passive Data Collector Message-Id: <1994Oct30.192657.31666@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Oct 94 19:26:57 MDT References: <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38qtp6$c9v@access4.digex.net>, keithw@access4.digex.net (Keith Willett) writes: > > I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor > the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file. > The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps > statistical data on a periodic basis. The switch sends data to the > serial port as it would to a printer. I can't signon to the switch or > otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends. I > am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward > the results to anyone interested. Thanks. > > -- > ---Keith Willett --------- Easy, and in the manual. Use Connect mode (terminal emulation), but before starting it say LOG SESSION filename. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 29 08:42:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 05:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!gohkeech From: gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: eval `resize` in macro? Date: 29 Oct 1994 08:42:23 GMT Organization: DISCS, NUS Lines: 11 Message-Id: <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: gohkeech@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro. The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100 queries while a macro is runnning. Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros are run to resolve this? TIA. -- (_orenzo . Lawrence Goh I C _|_ X C Department of Information Systems & Computer Science N I | K A National University of Singapore Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui, nobis post hoc exilium, ostende. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 18:27:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:07:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:07:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Message-Id: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> Date: 30 Oct 94 22:27:15 EDT References: <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <390kpo$9fr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1994Oct29.213545.6930@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: >> If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed >> to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O. Personally I >> would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken >> program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result. >> If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however; >> but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal >> emulator environment. >> >> Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination? >> > I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured > from a BBS. > > Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and > Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation. It has nothing to do with how the music string > is displayed. Who cares, right? > > It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal > to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until > a Ctrl-O is received. Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI > music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen. Messages > and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and > line drawing characters, etc). Frank, I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might not have. But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets. We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O) technique; it's what's available on the largest number of terminals. > Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign > so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a > totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot. Then it might actually > gain some acceptance. Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely > important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that > identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or > version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications. In > other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or > similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for > other purposes. These are reasonable suggestions. I don't know if it would be more reasonable to make a music escape sequence look like another ANSI escape sequence with `;'-delimited parameters and an operation at the end or whether it should be in an APC or DC or other string, but if it's the latter it should be in a format that would not be likely to be misinterpreted as, for example, a Sixel or ReGIS string or other command string intended for specific terminal types. I'm sure I could do it if I could find the time but I don't seem to have a lot lately. Any other takers? Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 23:00:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:37:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:37:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 23:00:52 GMT Message-Id: References: <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <38p1g8$bd3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus > creative interpretation of some control characters. But if one is going > to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the > *form* of an ANSI escape sequence (...) Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a. SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there is a real definition of it... -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:16:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:17:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:16:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:16:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as > encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it > be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a. > SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there > is a real definition of it... > We don't have any plans for this, but if there were a significant demand (so far there has not been), we might consider it. Many other items have higher priority. I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted. To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the SCO console driver. True? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:19:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:19:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:19:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: eval `resize` in macro? Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:19:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <392udm$i9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <38t1tf$2iq@nuscc.nus.sg> gohkeech@iscs.nus.sg (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence) writes: > I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro. > The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100 > queries while a macro is runnning. > Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros > are run to resolve this? TIA. > This is indeed a Frequently Asked Question. When the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active. When the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active. Thus, when writing script programs that log into VMS (which does a SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE) or that must respond to "cursor position report" escape sequences (such as sent by `eval resize`), the script program itself must look for these escape sequences and respond accordingly. See the KERMIT.BWR file for some examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:24:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:24:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:24:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:24:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> bruce@ais.com writes: > I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might > not have. But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have > eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets. > We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate > character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O) > technique; it's what's available on the largest number of terminals. > I know. That is whay Ctrl-N/Ctrl-O processing is disabled ONLY for "ANSI" terminal emulation -- not VT100, VT220, VT320, etc. I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access and with character sets. The entire premise of the BBS world is that you have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only one character set in the world: code page 437. Can anybody prove me wrong? Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets, but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type? I would like to think so, but I am not hopeful. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:32:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet writes: > I have two problems: > I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows: > parity space > duplex full > flow xon/xoff > handshake none > but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until > it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on > the vax.Any thoughts? > It could be any number of things, most likely a flow control problem. We have discussed this numerous times. Make sure that the most effective means of flow control is enabled at every point along the communication path. Evidently you are using end-to-end Xon/Xoff (software) flow control, which is often the best you can do when VMS is on the other end. But if you are entering VMS through a terminal server, you might do better with hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your modem supports, and if the remote modem does too, and so does the terminal server, AND it is enabled in all those places and in Mac Kermit too. Read ckmker.bwr for instructions. Also, be sure to tell VMS to SET TERM /TTSYNC /HOSTSYNC. Also, have the VMS system manager read the CKVINS.DOC file, which includes instructions regarding VMS SYSGEN parameters, buffer allocation, privileges and quotas, etc. > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 16:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 16:18:05 GMT Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > > > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love under Will. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Distribution: world Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 17:01:10 GMT Message-Id: References: <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: >> (...) would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, >> a.k.a. SCO-ANSI? > I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the > keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters > associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted. Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the > SCO console driver. True? SCO ansi can be used via the serial driver as well, by using the 'ansi' termcap/terminfo entries. Quite a few terminal-emulation packages have a sco-ansi option now (James River's Ice-ten, for example), which makes it the emulation of choice with these programs. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 22:20:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!MSIMONDS From: MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Subject: Windows version of Kermit?? Message-Id: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:20:01 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even exist? A nd if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 23:03:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!gars!not-for-mail From: robert@gar.no (Robert Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 7-bit access to BBS'es. Was: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 1 Nov 1994 00:03:07 +0100 Organization: Gallagher & Robertson A/S Lines: 45 Message-Id: <393t3b$7aa@stratos.gar.no> References: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stratos.gar.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access >and with character sets. The entire premise of the BBS world is that you >have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only >one character set in the world: code page 437. >Can anybody prove me wrong? Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is >designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets, >but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type? I would like to think so, but >I am not hopeful. You're being overly pessimistic. Below is a screen snapshot from the character set configuration in the BBS system we run here. This BBS is also programmed to support both 8bit-none and 7bit-even parity, with detection being done automatically at logon time. All while running in "ANSI" BBS emulation mode. The same BBS software runs at a few hundred sites around the world, with most installations in Norway and Finland. Which character set are you using (type ? for help): ? Character sets: look at these characters... 1:[ 2:] 3: 4:A 5:# 6:^ 7:{ 1) If 1 is a left square bracket then 1a) If 3 is a japanese Yen sign (capital Y) you have IBM 1b) If 3 is a norwegian OE then you are using IBN 1c) If 3 is a small u with an accent you are an Apple MAC 1d) If 4 is a capital A with an accent then you have ISO 1e) If 5 is a number sign (double cross) you have US7 1f) If 5 is a pounds sign then you are in UK7 2) If 1 is a capital A with two dots on it then 2a) If 2 is a U with two dots on it then you have GE7 2b) If 2 is a A with a ring over it then you are using SF7 3) If 1 is a capital AE sign then 3a) If 6 is a U with two dots on it then you are using DE7 3b) If 6 is a caret (hat, circumflex accent) then it's NO7 4) If 1 is a degree sign then 4a) If 7 is a small e with an accent then you have FR7 4b) If 7 is a small a with an accent then you have IT7 5) If 1 is an upside exclamation mark then you have SP7 Regards, Robert. -- Robert Andersson Voice +47 22418551 Gallagher & Robertson A/S robert@gar.no Fax +47 22428922 Kongensgt. 23, 0153 Oslo, Norway From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:56:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:56:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes: > I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even > exist? And if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? > The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:59:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:59:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395hk2$3ii@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In > Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, > shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for > scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > You can make MS-DOS Kermit send anything you want with SET KEY, so at least the keyboard part is user programmable. I don't know what you mean by scrolling and coloring -- Kermit already does those things. Send-screen-to- host is an unacceptable security risk. I don't think adding this kind of emulation would serve any particularly pressing need, since SCO has lots of termcaps -- just use a different one, like VT100, VT320, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:05:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 1 Nov 1994 14:05:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization > commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by > clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load > the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can > be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? > Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, are dim. Sorry, I wish I had better news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 11:14:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 94 09:59:27 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the documentation. Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing ATDT to the modem. And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to > receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that > is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I > start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and > then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems > quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen > automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the > documentation. > Yes, there is a way. Please read about the APC command in the KERMIT.UPD file. > Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? > So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing > ATDT to the modem. > Use the DIAL macros and dialing directory that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Read about them in the same KERMIT.UPD file. The DIAL macro does not CONNECT automatically. This is so it can be imbedded in other macros. If you want to DIAL and CONNECT in a single operation, define a macro to do this: define online dial \%1, connect > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? > Somebody else please respond to this one. > > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu > -- > Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:09:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More lines per page? Message-Id: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 1 Nov 94 10:09:33 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netbeings, I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can get on my Decterms in Motif. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:44:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 17:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <395uqb$m3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Netbeings, > I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, > the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such > that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. > Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can > get on my Decterms in Motif. > Just put the video adapter in the desired mode before starting Kermit. Kermit should automatically sense the number of screen lines -- not foolproof, but it usually works (video adapter details vary). This is usually done with a MODE command, like MODE CO80,55 or whatever. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:17:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Slide Shows Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:17:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3960ni$p3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Henrik Graversen wrote: > Is there a way to control the speed of the REPLAY command > in MS Kermit 3.12? Or maybe even a way to use pagedown, pageup, etc.? > > When I have logged a session to session.log and and want to take a look > at the log-file it is far from easy to read it as it scrolls by at 100 > mph. > There are some tricks. The best trick is to get a more up-to-date version of Kermit (3.13 or 3.14 Beta), which allows *huge* rollback buffers if you put them in Expanded Memory (EMS) via the new command SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY ON. Then you can use SET TERM ROLLBACK to allocate as many as 8000 rollback screens. NOTE: This requires that you have a big physical memory (more than 2MB or more) and that you use an expanded memory manager to configure a lot of EMS. See the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version 3.13 or 3.14. Then you can REPLAY the log file and it will fly past at 100 miles per hour. But after that you can use Home, PgUp, PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn, and End to view it at your leisure. (You can also use new keyboard verbs to scroll right and left, in case the virtual screen is wider than the physical screen). The second trick would be to transfer the log file to the host and then either run it through something like "more" (not great, since it interferes with the display), or write a little utility program that looks for special "signs" in the log (which you would insert with an editor), at which it should pause until you press a key. For MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 02:49:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!slip250.phx.primenet.com!mpomey From: mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on stratus vos Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:49:58 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: slip250.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. Can someone tell me where to find it if it exists? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:04:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on stratus vos Date: 1 Nov 1994 19:04:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3963gh$t1k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) writes: > I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. > I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. > C-Kermit 5A(190) is a full-featured version of C-Kermit for Stratus VOS. The files are in the kermit/test/text and kermit/test/bin directories. The VOS-specific files have names that start with "ckl". This is a brand-new addition; prior to this, we did not have a Kermit program for Stratus VOS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:43:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 beta testing Date: 1 Nov 1994 21:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <396cp9$prr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-370 version 4.3.1 is now in beta testing for all the major variants (CMS, TSO, MUSIC, and CICS). 4.3.1 supports the same new protocol features (RESEND and communication of TEXT/BIN types) being introduced with the test versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, as well as some system- specific updates, such as using the transmitted time tag for files uploaded to CMS or CICS, and support for the new expanded file system in MUSIC. People who are interested in trying out the test version can find the updates in files ik*.nup in kermit/b. Please drop me a line if you plan to do some testing, so that I'll know who's doing what. Thanks. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:00:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!long From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ACCURA14.4 + Beta10 + rts/cts Message-Id: <1994Nov1.190034.27100@oxvaxd> Date: 1 Nov 94 19:00:34 GMT Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been playing with a Hayes ACCURA 14.4 and Ms-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14Beta-10. Could someone explain how to get the best out of it. I have been able to connect with speeds set to 14400 to a v32bis dial in service. Why does ver 3.14 get in to the situation where it sends AT commands at the rate of 1 per 8 seconds for each A...........T......... if I send them with RTS/CTS set but not if flow is none or XON/XOFF. I tried the ultra144 script and that a) took forever and b) gave me a bizarre screen. Most of the codes seemed reasonable. 3.13 doesn't behave this way (not using the scripts and rts/cts doesn't have this effect). Could someone email me a suitable mod to any of the scripts which they know will work with it - I can fool around forever at this rate as the scripts all tend to set rts/cts before sending the codes. I am assuming that the hardware is fine since it works for 3.13 and the 'bundled' smartcom LE for Windows (euggh). Hate Windows. Thanks Neil From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:10:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:10:18 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 46 Message-Id: <396arq$fqc@chopin.udel.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: :Dear Netbeings, : I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, :the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such :that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. :Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can :get on my Decterms in Motif. : :Jim [sig deleted] Okay, here's what you need to do on both ends of the connection. PC--make sure you've got either an EGA card (for 43 line mode) or a VGA card (for 50 line mode). Some cards support some funky things like 60 lines under some Super-VGA setting or another. make sure you load an ANSI driver like ansi.sys or nnansi.sys issue the following mode command `mode con: lines=50'. start kermit. UNIX-connect to host. issue an eval `tset -sQI ` command to set the TERM and TERMCAP environment variables. For example eval `tset -sQI vt220` evaluates and sets the variables for vt220 term. Make sure that you put in the ``I'' argument. If you don't, then you'll see your screen cut in half and only the first 25 lines being drawn on. If this happens, then you'll have to go to the kermit command line and do a `ru mode con: lines=50' command to reset your local terminal. Issue the `stty rows 49' command to set the number of rows (or `stty rows 50' if you don't use the status line at the bottom of the screen), followed by a `reset' command. That should do it. I don't know how to do this if you're connecting to other types of host. I think that for IBM's it doesn't make a difference if they're in fullscreen mode, then they'll use all of the available lines. As for other types of hosts, your mileage may vary. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov1.175821.29608@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:58:21 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is : > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? : > : Somebody else please respond to this one. ;-) My humble opinion is that the book is great and that the online documentation (the files KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR) are very usefull and better than the 'online documentation' found with some other 'free/share/other-ware' programs. The mentioned files have kept me from sending in many questions and bug-reports to the kermit people because the answer to my questions were there. So even without the book the documentation is there and answers most questions you might have. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:03:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: >I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to >receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that >is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I >start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and >then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems >quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen >automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the >documentation. What version of Kermit are you running? Latest beta test is 3.14, revision 10, available at kermit.columbia.edu under the directory: /kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip To automatically send/receive files via Kermit, please check out the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with the beta. It explains how to engage autoupload/download with Kermit. NOTE: MS-Kermit must be version 3.14, and C-Kermit (assuming that is what is on the host side) must be version 190. >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. To dial, type "dial xxx-xxxx" or edit the DIALUPS.TXT file and add the phone number you wish to dial in the format specified in that file. If I'm not mistaken, if you use the "dial" macro, it will connect you. Otherwise, if you are a purist and want to do ATDT before the phone numbers, then put a CONNECT at the bottom of your MSCUSTOM.INI. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Indeed, you can learn almost everything there is to know about MS-Kermit, programming scripts, macros, etc. (which aren't really all that hard!) simply by using the information provided with the Kermit distribution. >Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Indeed - it is a rumour. Is it true? No. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com LISTOWNER of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:56:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@microsys3.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 01 Nov 1994 18:56:06 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: microsys3.engr.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. Thanks for any suggestions, Barry tolnas@utk.edu -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 00:56:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 00:56:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <396o3a$cg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: > >In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set >an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done >automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my >modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. >The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem >and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. > The best way to handle this is to use the built in dial commands: you can either use "set dial init \13ATS28=255\13" or "set dial dial-command \13ATS28=255DT%s\13" move info about the dial commands in "Using C-Kermit" Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 23:04:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: : :In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set :an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done :automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my :modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. :The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem :and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. : :Thanks for any suggestions, : :Barry :tolnas@utk.edu [.sig deleted] Yeah, just put the line `output ats28=255' in your .mykermit file. This is documented in the book and and you can see examples of it in any of the dialing scripts... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 02:43:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Beta MSKERMIT Z100? Date: 2 Nov 1994 02:43:29 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <396uch$h9r@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is not a prod. I am just curious on how to keep up on the latest Beta releases for MSKERMIT 3.14 for non-PC clones? Basically I stumbled across the one for the Z100 by posting here and getting responses that told me one was available. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:59:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cyrillic in beta 7 Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:59:06 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: <395s4q$kla@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! There seems to be a problem with cyrillic in Kermit (invoked by command cyrillic). The Russian letters for 's' and 'e' produce the same character 'c'. This is quite inconvenient. Also, if I use both emacsker.scr and koi8.ini it complains that there is not enough memory for key definitions and discards my emacs key bindings. Victor From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 10:12:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem on kermit Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:12:07 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities while working in kermit. Examples will be appreciates. Thanks in advance, Itamar From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 07:01:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In-Reply-To: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu's message of 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" you are using upon startup? Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:38:30 GMT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398896$u56@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. hmm.... i have another question. i tried this myself and everything seemed to work ok until i opened up mackermit by clicking on the kermit document (which didn't have an icon...). i got a warning saying that this document had _not_ been created by mackermit (it had! it said KR09 in the Get Info window...) and i had to choose to open it with mackermit manually. then, as soon as it had opened i got an error message - something to the effect of "application 'mackermit' has unexpectedly quit due to unknown error number 28". what am i doing wrong? -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu On the day the wall came down The Ship of Fools had finally run aground Promises lit up the night like paper doves in flight - "A Great Day for Freedom", Pink Floyd. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.engr.utk.edu In-Reply-To: fastcart@MIT.EDU's message of 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > you are using upon startup? > > Fast Cart set line /dev/whatever Barry -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:20:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:20:19 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to run on startup. Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about it. Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may respond ATZ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:57:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:57:12 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:32:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:32:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? > Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: SET TAKE ECHO ON SET TAKE-ECHO ON etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: SET DIAL DISPLAY ON MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with the modem. Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit" for complete details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:35:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:35:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 173 Message-Id: <398f5a$6ee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for > kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my > pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to > run on startup. > Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my > university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears > to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about > it. > Information on manuals enclosed below. > Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a > 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will > transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I > am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may > respond > Yes, Kermit will do 1500, 1600 or higher if you use long packets, sliding windows, and control-character unprefixing. Also enable compression and error correction in the modem, and use hardware flow control (our dialing scripts do this for you automatically). For details about long packets and sliding windows, read the manual(s). Control-character unprefixing is a relatively recent addition, documented in the appropriate "update" file, KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit). KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 08:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!rlmix1.rulimburg.nl!ICA.rulimburg.nl!Hans.Verhoeven From: Hans.Verhoeven@ica.rulimburg.nl (H. Verhoeven ) Subject: printing 132 columns Message-Id: Summary: kermit & print controller Sender: news@rlmix1.rulimburg.nl (USENET News System) Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht, Holland Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 08:00:45 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Kermit 3.13 with a VAX-ALPHA HOST application on a Banyan Network (TCP/IP protocol). The application can control the network printer by means of the 'printer controller' sequences (CSI 5 i to turn the hardcopy printer on and CSI 4 i to turn it off again). Of course Kermit will do the trick, however we would like to have the ability of printing in compressed mode (or better: to select a printer driver like HP, IBM etc) because most of the files we print are 132 columns width and we like to print it on a network printer. By the way it is of course not possible to change the printer setting by the well-known printer switchboard. Can anybody give me a suggestion on how to tackle this problem? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:22:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and ISDN Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:22:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <398sed$qnp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have added the following words to the KERMIT.UPD file, but we do not have any verification that these items actually work with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Could somebody -- most likely in Germany or Austria -- with an ISDN interface and a CAPI driver and an ISDN phone please check and report and/or clarify? Thanks! Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission. ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers. There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers. CAPI drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit. Examples: . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler & Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany. It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041. It supports both the Fossil and Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like AT commands. . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede, Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German . Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:06:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 8 Message-Id: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Arcell B. Frazier wrote: >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" >you are using upon startup? I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:28:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:28:01 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note the \v(ttyfd) variable. Is that what you are talking about? Or are you just talking about "set line /dev/ttyp01" type commands? If so, just dump it into your .kermrc --------------------------- my .kermrc -------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 23:12:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) Subject: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Message-Id: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 16 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:12:50 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when running a script with TAKE? I would like to use a script to connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). I would appreciate help with this. Thanks. -Tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 00:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Date: 3 Nov 1994 00:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <399b71$33l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) writes: > With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when > running a script with TAKE? > As the lawyers say, "asked and answered". About once per day on this newsgroup. Again: If the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active. If the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active. You would not want it any other way, at least not if you cared about speed in the terminal emulator. > I would like to use a script to > connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, > but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the > proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the > screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). > Just read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, section 18, Script Programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 08:11:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Date: 3 Nov 1994 08:11:53 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4th Dimension (4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il) wrote: : Hi, : Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities : while working in kermit. : Examples For UNIX platforms will be appreciates. : Thanks in advance, : Itamar From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 05:24:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Message-Id: <9411030524.AA13559@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 05:24:58 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities >while working in kermit. > >Examples will be appreciates. ; ;Thanks to Jason Merrill for this ;define to add zmodem protocol transfers. Add it to your mskermit.ini. define rz run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 rz \%1 \%2, define sz run dsz F ha both est 0 14400 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2, define t run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 t \%1 \%2, Keith -- Keith Petersen Moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce and the MSDOS-Ann mailing list Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 13:44:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: cisitm@albert.cad.cea.fr Newsgroups: alt.spam,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Control: cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Date: 03 Nov 1994 17:44:56 EDT Organization: Just say no to Spam. Lines: 3 Sender: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu. Approved: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu Message-Id: Reply-To: na48985@anon.penet.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This spam has been cancelled. Comments to: na48985@anon.penet.fi. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 20:31:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:31:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous wonders. 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and execute a Kermit command (of any kind). 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen saver or something to refresh the screen. 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Thanks, Andy From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 16:33:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Nov 94 22:33:04 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: > My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we > have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous > wonders. > > 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while > in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does > this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if > there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and > execute a Kermit command (of any kind). Check the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" whose details are given on the Kermit HELP screen and the *.UPD files issued since then. You can assign a Kermit macro as the definition of a key. The macro can do anything you could say at the Kermit prompt, including issue SET TERM commands. Syntax is SET KEY keycode {\Kmacroname} and the \K must be inside the curly braces. > 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. > When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back > to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely > screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and > do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go > back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen > saver or something to refresh the screen. It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, however. > 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the > screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Maybe you mean the opposite here. Hosts can request 80 or 132 columns from VTxxx terminals, nothing more. Kermit obeys those requests. Perhaps you mean that Kermit can tell the host its current screen size upon request, which is true. There is no "auto-detect" in this arrangement, by either host or terminal emulator. Kermit can also report screen size in Telnet Options packets, if the host agrees to do so. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 00:48:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Date: 4 Nov 1994 00:48:00 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 13:32:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk!uclyjjd From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) Subject: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:32:59 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9223 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:991 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if off-line and the connection time when on-line. Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be pathched to reset the timer. This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our 'phone bills ! Julian. -- _____________________________________________________ | Julian Daley, j.daley@ucl.ac.uk | | Department Clinical Physics, Guys Hospital, London. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 17:33:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!israel-info.datasrv.co.il!not-for-mail From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Message-Id: <-39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Control: cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:33:06 GMT Approved: news@israel-info.datasrv.co.il Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 21:45:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through to the remote side? Thanks -- Jason From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 22:31:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 4 Nov 1994 22:31:29 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 11 Message-Id: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jason Venner wrote: >I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > >Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >to the remote side? set term byte 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:25:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172545.32061@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:25:45 MDT References: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with > PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file > but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met > don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about > these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? ---------- No, those little guys aren't specifically mentioned because we lack any useful information to offer (translation: I have no laptop. $$$) Folks will have to struggle to load the proper mysterious drivers to handle the plug-in card and hope for the best. I can imagine anything requiring user intervention will cause difficulties to tech support persons, but the proper channel for help with such cards is probably the card mfr or the laptop maker. The task is to make the card look like a proper serial port (or Ethernet adapter, etc) and that's the purpose of those drivers. Only afterward does Kermit come into the picture. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:28:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: > > I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > > Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. > Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through > to the remote side? > > Thanks -- Jason --------- There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is wierd this way. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 04:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.100241.32014@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 10:02:41 MDT References: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9232 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:996 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk>, uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) writes: > Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if > off-line and the connection time when on-line. > > Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any > sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be > pathched to reset the timer. > > This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our > 'phone bills ! ------- No timer, thanks. Suggest you use the portable, low maintainence, compact, arm mounted (or even the table top model) time mechanism. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 18:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!dwg5400 From: dwg5400@u.washington.edu (Dale Gombert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRIME, Kermit, PCs, & 7-bit: help? Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:54:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 7 Sender: dwg5400@u.washington.edu Distribution: us Message-Id: <39e011$ej5@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Summary: We need help with this combination Keywords: PRIME, kermit, PC, 7-bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! We have several dozen users now familiar with ProComm Plus on PCs, and they routinely transfer ASCII and binary files with a PRIME computer. Our TMS-3 Renex communication controller will only recognize M71, but our internal kermit protocol only works with N81. We would like to be able to set our ProComm Pluses to enable this transfer. Email responses would be perfectly welcome, in preference to Usenet. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 5 13:32:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:32:49 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) | writes: | > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? | > | Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: | SET TAKE ECHO ON | SET TAKE-ECHO ON | etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: | SET DIAL DISPLAY ON | MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with | the modem. | Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using | C-Kermit" for complete details. | - Frank Thanks. I have C-Kermit 5A. I also have your book "Using C-Kermit". (Very good book.) Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!not-for-mail From: stickler@tequesta.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:35:50 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Florida Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inca.gate.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis throughput. Could someone suggest a possible solution, or perhaps some other UNIX terminal emulator that supports kermit at fast speeds? Any help will be greately appreciated. Thanks, =============================================================================== Patrick Stickler Information Group Senior Computer Systems Engineer Martin Marietta Corporation stickler@.gate.net Orlando, Florida 32825 U.S.A. =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:58:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!floyd.brooks.af.mil!smd From: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil (Sten Drescher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Date: 01 Nov 1994 16:58:08 GMT Organization: Armstrong Laboratory Intelligent Training Branch Lines: 27 Distribution: comp Message-Id: References: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Reply-To: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: floyd.brooks.af.mil To: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) In-Reply-To: ravn@imada.ou.dk's message of 15 Oct 1994 09:32:00 -0500 I've cobbled together a termcap entry for mskermit 3.13. I'd welcome any improvements to it. --- cut here --- K7|mskermit313|vt300|vt320|Kermit 3.13 emulation of vt320:\ :am:da:db:es:hs:mi:ms:xn:xo:bs:pt:\ :co#80:li#24:kn#3:\ :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\ :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:\ :ds=\E[2$~\r\E[1$}\E[K\E[0$}\E[1$~:ei=\E[4l:fs=\E[0$}:\ :ho=\E[H:im=\E[4h:\ :is=\E[?1;3;5l\E[20l\E[?7h\E[12h\E[r\E[24;1H:k1=\EOP:\ :k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:\ :k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kb=\b:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kh=\E[H:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:l1=pf1:\ :l2=pf2:l3=pf3:l4=pf4:nd=\E[C:r1=\E[?3l:\ :r2=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:rc=\E8:\ :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:so=\E[7m:\ :sr=\EM:st=\EH:ts=\E[2$~\E[1$}\E[1;%dH:ue=\E[24m:\ :up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:vb=\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:\ :vi=\E[?25l:vs=\E[?25h:ko=dl,ho,al: --- cut here --- I hope this helps. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:12:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 27 Message-Id: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is >the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? They quite freely admit that the books help finance the KERMIT project. And there's nothing wrong with that -- it's a wonderful free program, which you can learn more about (and help support) by buying their books. marshall >Dale > >Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu >-- >Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? -- [Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802] From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:00:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!scws4.harvard.edu!mlevin From: mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 6 Nov 1994 15:00:55 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scws4.harvard.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1002 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6156 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. Mike Levin From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:52:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:55:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:54:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!sledge!cowboy From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Message-Id: <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:52:42 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1003 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6157 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Levin (mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a : kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems : like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, : and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect : to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have : kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a : compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source : distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. You can get the latest (still test) version of kermit from the following URL: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.gz ftp://kermit.columbia/edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.Z From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 17:10:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Date: 6 Nov 1994 17:10:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <39j2lj$bqh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: >> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we >> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous >> wonders. >> >> 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. >> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back >> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely >> screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and >> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go >> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen >> saver or something to refresh the screen. > > It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. >Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so >that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little >idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, >however. The problem is that by using 132 column mode you have put the display hardware into a state which OS/2 does not understand. Try the following: Start a full screen DOS session. Then execute the command "SVGA ON". If the SVGA command cannot be found, change to the \OS2 directory of your boot drive. This command builds a table of each video mode so that OS/2 can safely restore switch back and forth when full screen programs directly manipulate the screen size. x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:45:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:43:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!gsusgi2.gsu.edu!not-for-mail From: isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tom Bowden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:18:49 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <398akp$i36@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsusgi2.gsu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS >Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native >Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary >mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. PFMJI, but there is something I've wondered about MS-Kermit and Windows: Since you include a kermit.pif in the MS-Kermit package, why don't you include a kermit.ico? The one in /kermit/a/wkkico.boo would do very nicely. -- Tom Bowden in Atlanta isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 21:22:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:11:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@markov.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 2 Nov 94 11:10:01 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: markov.mit.edu In-Reply-To: mgflax@panix.com's message of 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. It would have been more useful if you'd mentioned what the command is ("DO DIAL number") and what file it is documented in (KERMIT.UPD). Saying that the documentation is somewhere in the Kermit directory is almost useless -- MS-DOS doesn't come with a grep that can handle wildcards. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- He was the sort of guy who would lie awake at night wondering whether "anal retentive" was hyphenated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:35:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:07:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerca.atl.hp.com!johnp From: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:35:26 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <398bju$941@hpuerci.atl.hp.com> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuerca.atl.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Patrick Stickler (stickler@news.gate.net) wrote: : I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) : with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify : a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any : case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis : throughput. READ YOUR MODEM MANUAL. There is no such thing as a 14.4 speed between a modem and the computer. Valid speeds are ... 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ... The 14.4 is modem to modem only. The modem, if its DTE speed is fixed, will handle the translation speeds between its effective modem to modem connection speed and the speed you use to communicate to the computer. You will probably get the same answer from your SUN tech support. And they will know the fastest speed you can set the computer port to. -- johnP John Pezzano, HP NARC Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 03:48:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu!user From: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > > > >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless > >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes > >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there > >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, > >are dim. > > Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to use. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:21:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:21:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <39ld4m$26o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> stickler@news.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) writes: > I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) > with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify > a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any > case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis > throughput. > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(189), with 5A(190) to be released any day now. C-Kermit should let you SET SPEED to any speed that is supported by the underlying tty driver. In the case of SunOS, 14400 is not one of the supported speeds. But you can use 19200 or 38400. You can't use 57600. Solaris supports a wider range of speeds. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 16:39:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-11 Ready for Testing Date: 7 Nov 1994 16:39:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <39ll88$cfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 11:15am EST, Monday, 7 November 1994: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-10 include: . Correction of RTS/CTS flow control problems that were introduced in Beta-10. . Addition of full Japanese character-ser support in terminal emulation: a) Additional character sets: JIS-Katanaka (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#13) JIS-Roman (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#14) b) Additional choices in SET TERMINAL OUTPUT-SHIFT (for keyboarding of different Kanji character sets): JIS7-Kanji, EUC-Kanji, and DEC-Kanji. JIS7-Kanji can take the following modifers: JIS83-US (default) JIS83-Roman JIS83-75Roman JIS78-US JIS78-Roman JIS78-75Roman NOTE: This item still needs a bit more work, and should be fully operational in the next Beta edit. . Correction of some subtle bugs in screen management which were evident on Japanese DOS machines. . Pointer safety check added in the BOOTP client routine to ensure trouble does not occur if a BOOTP server fails to send a terminal token (255) in the response packet. . One more quick-action routine in file transfer code to react to loss of modem CD as soon as possible, primarily for BBS operators. . Two bugs corrected in the Wyse-50 terminal emulation, relating to setting of bold/dim/reverse visual attributes and to using a full 132 column screen. . Begin packing the executable files to save space on distribution media. This is the /EXEPACK option in LINK, not PKZIP or similar. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for this work, and also to Hirofumi Fujii of the Japan National Laboratory of High Energy Physics for the Kanji work, and for noticing and fixing some subtle bugs in the general screen management area. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:34:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:34:39 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 24 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <39ldtv$jq4@knot.queensu.ca> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: |> |> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple |> years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone |> plus a pain to use. I can't offer an opinion on the Mac version. But as a general statement you are wrong. We use Kermit as the recommended communications software at Queen's for our PC users. It is not slow, it certainly isn't error prone, and as for being a pain to use, wrong again. Kermit has a very complete scripting language that made it possible for us to develop homegrown login scripts for our University's dial-in services. This lets us conceal a myriad of idiosyncracies related to our mainframe, PACX, telnet servers, etc. Why would anybody want to use Kermit? Because it does the job, works on all of our systems, is well-documented and supported, and incredibly, is free. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 15:25:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 94 14:26:24 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: kudut@ritz.mordor.com's message of Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the release notes for it. And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. The HELP command will give you pages of details about "SET BIT-MANGLE FROG-MODE", but there is no simple menu of the half-dozen commands that everybody needs. (Unlike every other terminal emulator I've ever seen.) And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- In the shopping malls, in the high school halls -- conform or be cast out! In the basement bars, in the backs of cars -- be cool or be cast out! -- Rush, "Subdivisions" From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 19:31:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 19:31:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-Id: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) > writes: > >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? > > It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD > file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit > prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, > but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will > magically get help for that command. > > Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're > hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important > feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the > obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" > file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have > been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the > release notes for it. > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling > Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out > loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. > For the historical-minded, Kermit was first developed in the early 80s when DEC was in its heyday, and every university had a DEC-10 or DEC-20 or a VAX. DEC software releases always included a "beware file", with file type .BWR. The idea was to get peoples' attention when something went wrong, and everybody knew to "look in the BWR file" before reporting bugs, etc. Those days are over, of course, and perhaps it would it be more intuitive (at least to newsgroup readers) to call them .FAQ files, but then we'd have to recast them all in question-and-answer form, like in Jeopardy, to avoid the inevitable rash of complaints. But, given limited resources and time, and an infinite amount of demand, this settles to a rather low rung on the priority ladder. The simple fact is that Kermit, like a great deal of other software, comes with a manual, and then some other files to supplement the manual, either in the form of updates, or technical hints and tips. Unlike a lot of this other software, however, it also comes with a brief help file listing all the commands. I don't think this is something to complain about. > And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current > directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find > its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't > know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is > bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:26:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:26:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > > Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my > scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be > nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg > It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. However, you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): define minput set alarm \%1,- :top,- if alarm end 1,- input 1 \%2,if success asg mynput 1,if success end 0,- if not def \%3 goto top,reinp 0 \%3,if succ asg mynput 2,if succ end 0,- if not def \%4 goto top,reinp 0 \%4,if succ asg mynput 3,if succ end 0,- if not def \%5 goto top,reinp 0 \%5,if succ asg mynput 4,if succ end 0,- if not def \%6 goto top,reinp 0 \%6,if succ asg mynput 5,if succ end 0,- if not def \%7 goto top,reinp 0 \%7,if succ asg mynput 6,if succ end 0,- if not def \%8 goto top,reinp 0 \%8,if succ asg mynput 7,if succ end 0,- if not def \%9 goto top,reinp 0 \%9,if succ asg mynput 8,if succ end 0,- goto top and then use it like this: minput 60 CONNECT ERROR {NO CARRIER} BUSY RING if fail errfail {No response from the modem} if eq \v(program) C-Kermit asg mynput \v(minput) goto CASE_\m(mynput) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 19:37:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:37:47 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the C-Kermit source files? Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 00:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 00:00:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article "Archimedes L. Trajano" writes: > Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the > C-Kermit source files? > Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For comparison, look at OS/2 C-Kermit, the closest C-Kermit counterpart to MS-DOS Kermit. The 16-bit executable is 500K, and the 32-bit one is 680K. Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and addressability are at a premium. If somebody should really want to adapt C-Kermit to DOS, however, it should be a mere matter of filling in some communications and file access primitives and writing a terminal emulator. And hooking in to the various networking APIs, if you can find them. Etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:45:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:45:31 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu's message of 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) writes: > In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > > > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > > you are using upon startup? > > > > Fast Cart > > set line /dev/whatever > > > Barry But, "whatever" changes whenever I log in. Understand? I want something that will know what line I'm using... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:50:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:50:22 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: ken@coho.halcyon.com's message of 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > Arcell B. Frazier wrote: > >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > >you are using upon startup? > > I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? > > --Ken Pizzini I found that on the C-kermit protocol we use, (from '89) /dev/tty is always default at 1200 bps. I want to be able to "set line /dev/whatever" whenever I start C-kermit because I'm not always using the same tty. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:16:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:53:50 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how > Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, > it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at > all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is > wierd this way. > Joe D. He is right. I had this problem. What I did was to set key for just about all of the Alt keys. You can email me and I'll send you what I have... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 07:34:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:34:20 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >addressability are at a premium. Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:11:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) - MS-DOS Kermit, Terminal interrogation commands Date: 8 Nov 1994 08:11:13 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1022 comp.terminals:6023 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit respons to query CSI ? Ps $ p with response CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y According of my another docomentation response of this should be CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y (MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) Comments? -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:23:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:23:12 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. >Lewenberg) writes: >> >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg Yes, this was the command I was thinking of, that time I posted to ask if the next release of MS-Kermit would have more of the script commands that C-Kermit has. I stumbled across it in the C-Kerm docs, and thought "What a valuable tool for login scripts!" Then I couldn't find it again. This command does me no good in C-Kerm, which I use only as a remote, but would be seriously valuable in MSK! >It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( > However, >you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like >this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): [macro and example of how to use it deleted] Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save memory for key settings and screen rollback. Anyway, if you can't, you can't. But I'd be interested in this feature, too. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 15:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 10:26:18 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 74 Distribution: world Expires: 31 Dec 1994 22:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cetus2e.cs.utk.edu Summary: there are 2 cases, according to VT330/340 documentation Keywords: DECRQM, DECRPM, VT300, VT330, MS-Kermit, mode, setting, report Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6025 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1024 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > >MS-DOS Kermit responds to query > CSI ? Ps $ p >with response > CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >According of my another docomentation response of this should be > CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y > >(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y > but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) > >- Kari E. Hurtta > Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair DECRQM and DECRPM. In the Digital documentation "VT330/VT340 Programmer Reference Manual, Volume 1: Text Programming" (EK-VT3XX-TP-001) on page 238 we find MODE SETTINGS (VT300 mode only) Request Mode DECRQM CSI Pa $ p Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) CSI ? Pd $ p Pa = DEC private mode (see table 12-3) Report Mode DECRPM CSI Pa;Ps $ y Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) Ps = mode state 0 = unknown mode 1 = set 2 = reset 3 = permanently set 4 = permanently reset Set Mode SM CSI Pa; ...Pa h Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd h Pd = DEC private mode(s) Reset Mode RM CSI Pa; ...Pa l Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd l Pd = DEC private mode(s) (Notes: the CSI is hexadecimal 9B in 8-bit communication, or the sequence [ in 7-bit communication. Pa, Ps, and Pd are variable parameters. The "l" in the above RM command is a lowercase "L". Spaces in the description are for clarity and are not transmitted.) So one form of the response is appropriate for ANSI/ISO standardized modes, and the other form for DEC proprietary modes. Are you saying that MS-Kermit is generating the ANSI/ISO-mode response to the DEC-mode query? -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation; ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | but when the wicked rise to power, men go into ...Info-Stratus contact| hiding." Proverbs 28:12 NIV From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 11:21:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 94 11:07:35 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 43 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention the DIAL command in passing at one point. Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. Yes, but I have Kermit 3.13, and the READ.ME doesn't warn you that you have to modify your PATH. I will grant that it does tell you to read KERMIT.HLP, but that is a little long for installation instructions. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my local software store and buy Procomm. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- The scariest quote I've seen in a long time: There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then [I] look around and see someone white and feel relieved. -- Jesse Jackson, as quoted by Mike Royko From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 16:52:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 1994 16:52:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > My comments were in reference to version 3.14. I think you will find a lot of improvements in version 3.14 over 3.13. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. > A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go buy Procomm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:09:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!rcwusr.bp.com!learmonthgg From: learmonthgg@rcwusr.bp.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Message-Id: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Date: 8 Nov 94 12:09:41 -0500 Organization: BP Warrensville, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Gaz. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:46:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Message-Id: <1994Nov8.104653.32279@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:46:53 MDT References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6026 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1028 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu>, shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes: > In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, > hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: >> >>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query >> CSI ? Ps $ p >>with response >> CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >>According of my another docomentation response of this should be >> CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y >> >>(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) >> >>- Kari E. Hurtta >> Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI >> {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi > > I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair > DECRQM and DECRPM. ---------- Kari is correct. A question mark was omitted from the DEC-specific report. I've corrected that (and in msvibm.vt) here this morning and the results will appear in the next beta of MSK. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:56:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See > KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary > files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory > you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of > your disks? > > Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. > You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything > assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. The latter "feature" can be implemented under current versions of DOS but only with trepedition from a non-tree directory system (all those letters, SUBST, network drive mappings, all the things which make it nearly impossible to know a directory as a real directory). Joe D. > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:52:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <39ooes$n3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Alpha, VMS, AXP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit for OpenVMS/AXP can be found on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/ and its subdirectories. Begin by getting the file kermit/test/ckvaaa.hlp and reading it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:20:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:20:48 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>addressability are at a premium. > > Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware > authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in > assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A > program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world > that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- > written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to be critical. Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some unnecessary bells and whistles. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:30:00 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guy is asking for improvement? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:29:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:29:13 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys is asking for improvment? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:00:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov8.230025.32339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 23:00:25 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com>, ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) > > In article , > Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >>In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >> >>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>>addressability are at a premium. >> >> Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware >> authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in >> assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A >> program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world >> that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- >> written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. > > The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms > are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary > limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. > Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a > mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it > is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the > resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to > be critical. > > Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, > not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. > If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some > unnecessary bells and whistles. ------------ May I end this thread as a person with some experience in both assembler and C? There is no way C can beat decent assembler. All those push/pops and stack references (that's touching real memory folks) kill performance. Programs beyond the hobbyist level aren't designed and written by undoing C code to assembler; far from it. They are designed differently from the ground up. I doubt many readers here have any idea of what is involved using C without all the helpful crutches provided by the compiler vendor. Remove the startup routines, and the run time libraries, and mix in near and far code and data, add interrupt routines. That will do for openers. It's not at all like programming "Hello World\n". Yet this occurs in MS-DOS Kermit which is 80% assembler and which uses C for the TCP/IP stack, and that's run partly at interrupt level and never as a "main" program. There is no main() nor any vendor libraries etc. And I wish your last phrase were true, sigh. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:16:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:16:47 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39qi3v$s7r@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: % Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're % hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important % feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the % obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" % file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have % been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the % release notes for it. I know it's frustrating when you can't get software to work, but I really do think you should modify your tone when asking for help. I'm astonished at how patient people have been in replying to your queries given the way that you phrase them. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 94 08:58:40 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And the developers do listen to what customers complain about. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works quite reliably. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- We have ways to make you scream. -- Intel advertisement, in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal (Yeah, like having to write 80x86 assembler code!) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:32:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov9.133234.27003@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 13:32:34 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. >Worley) writes: >> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my >> local software store and buy Procomm. >> >A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, >you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop >software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for >free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go >buy Procomm. > >- Frank Well said, Frank! --Mike Ciaraldi University of Rochester From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 14:35:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 14:35:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one >request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a >terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use >it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." The "we don't care." are your words not Frank's, not Joe's, and not mine. We do care. However, we also do have limited time. 3.14 is still in Beta. There is a ways to go yet. Be patient. Frank and Joe commented in previous messages about your claim that DIAL was not documented anywhere. They correctly pointed out that you were wrong. Granted, with a several hundred page book, and several update files there is a lot to read. But this is *free* software (until you buy the manual.) >And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And >the developers do listen to what customers complain about. Hate to tell you. Tech support is a far cry from talking to the developers. Sure Tech Support may be able to tell you where to find the DIAL command in the docs, but in most cases they can't help you with the real world of non-PC to PC based communication. > > DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix > won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the > program is built to look in its startup directory. > >You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works >quite reliably. Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? C:\KERMIT D:\KERMIT F:\MSK C:\BIN\COMM\MSK how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories of init files in order to preserve separate configurations. Maybe for a laptop on the LAN vs. a laptop connected to the LAN via a remote dialup. You can't hard code directory names. Sorry. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [ANSWER] Re: C Kermit and meta keys - Date: 09 Nov 1994 19:53:50 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com In-Reply-To: jason@idiom.com's message of 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The answer to this question is: set command bytesize 8 Thanks to Ken Pizzini for the answer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 01:15:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!peregrine!falk From: falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Date: 9 Nov 1994 01:15:17 GMT Organization: Sun Lines: 8 Message-Id: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: peregrine.eng.sun.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ADVthanxANCE, -- -ed falk, sun microsystems falk@sun.com "Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change" From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:46:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 9 Nov 1994 19:46:33 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39r8up$37e@news.halcyon.com> References: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com>, Ken Pizzini wrote: >In article , >Jason Venner wrote: >>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. >> >>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >>to the remote side? > >set term byte 8 This was only a partial answer. He also needed to set command bytesize 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 20:01:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!merk!harvee.billerica.ma.us!esj From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Message-Id: Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.10 Rev. May 3 1993 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 15:01:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik writes: >In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: >> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >> to the remote side? >> > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how >Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, >it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at >all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is >wierd this way. > Joe D. well, in days long past, in RMS land, there were systems with "meta" key as well as a "hyper" key. if I remember correctly, "meta" did add 0x80 to each char. --- eric -- esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us ka1eec those that do not read history are doomed to repost it From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 23:07:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!madvax.uwa.edu.au!watson From: watson@madvax.maths.uwa.edu.au (David Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to tell Kermit I have a sun-cmd screen? Date: 9 Nov 1994 23:07:36 GMT Organization: Maths Dept UWA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39rkno$vaj@styx.uwa.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: pandanus.maths.uwa.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run Linux on my 486 and so I have XView and the openwin screens which I have become quite accustomed to. But Kermit doesn't understand them and I have to use the vt100 terminal screen when I use Kermit. How can I tell Kermit that I have sun-cmd screens? Many thanks for any help. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics watson@DIALix.oz.au The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 1359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 02:17:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:17:28 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu wrote: >Hi, >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Are you sure you're getting the right file-- kermit/test/bin/ mstibm.zip? Your executables are right after the readme: Archive: mstibm.zip Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name ("^" ==> case ------ ------ ---- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- conversion) 10577 Implode 4473 58% 10-30-94 15:59 b99272a2 ^read.me 228152 Implode 146491 36% 11-07-94 10:40 cbf6f11f ^kermit.exe <=== 158290 Implode 102723 35% 11-07-94 10:40 533ef169 ^kermite.exe <=== 103274 Implode 66358 36% 11-07-94 10:40 f94fd286 ^kerlite.exe <=== > Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Neither. There's nothing to compile-- the executables are ready to run. You may want to work over the INItialization and script files, depending on how you use Kermit. Since this is a beta, it would probably be better if you were to create a separate directory for 3.14, rather than just dumping the files in (and overwriting files already in) the directory where you have 3.13. > Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you That all depends on what features you want the most. If the Kermit on your host is so old that it doesn't support sliding windows, long packets, control character unprefixing, or uses the old terminalR/terminalS instead of the newer APC, the new Kermit won't help all that much. However, if you want the new script commands, character sets, etc., then get 3.14. I can't speak for other platforms, but if your account is on a Unix host and you have the space in your quota, it's not too hard to get the sources for C-Kermit 190 and build your own copy. (If space *is* a problem, gzexe compresses the executable very nicely to about 1/2 original size.) IMO the new crash recovery feature alone is worth the effort, and if your host's Kermit doesn't have the other features previously mentioned, so much more the reason. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 01:41:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!ucssun1!gillespi From: gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (gillespie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Date: 10 Nov 1994 01:41:11 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.191.1.100 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading files please do! Wally Gillespie From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:34:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:34:40 MDT References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Hi, > Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from > kermit.columbia.edu. > These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the > binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where > mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server > I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit > on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you ---------- Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement then follow instructions in that message. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:52:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:52:21 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net>, oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) writes: > fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>In article "Archimedes L. >>Trajano" writes: >>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >>> C-Kermit source files? >>> >>Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >>for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >>Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. > > For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important > features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the > C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible > (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a > way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit > version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not > possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's > scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I > would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability > of MS-kermit scripts. ---------- I'm sorry, but MSK and CK are not code compatible at all. The command parsers which you like so much are extremely complicated sets of code in each program, and they are very different. There will be operations in one which are either awkward to implement in the other or just can't be because of internal design considerations. We try to make the two behave similarly, but there are limits on program effects as well as person time involved (and I want to emphasize that this means a *lot* of concentrated effort). I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then we don't have any idea of what's important to you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 03:51:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!jwarner From: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 03:51:17 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 Message-Id: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): set line /dev/ph1 set speed 9600 set log session dial 0000000 connect How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org Thanks, Jack. -- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 09:48:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: HELP! Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:48:26 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu>, gillespie (gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu) wrote: >So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 >and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout >at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into >using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I >sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out >how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the >files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file >I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command >at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am >I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading >files please do! I can think of only one remote possibility (even more remote, considering that you got ftp to work): You are aware, aren't you, that the Unix system on which you have your account is case sensitive? Because it is, so is the Kermit running on it. You have to type in the file name *exactly* as it appears in the "ls" listing, after the send command. Unlike with DOS, filename, Filename, and FILENAME are different names for different files. Other than this guess, I haven't a clue, and I'm sorry if I've told you something so basic as to sound insulting. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 07:59:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 7 Nov 1994 15:59:02 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been written that use kermit's telnet all along) -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 15:56:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Message-Id: <1994Nov9.215636.32432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 21:56:36 MDT References: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) writes: > Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It > would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ----------- Sure, no problem. Purchase the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, Digital Press (or used to be, Frank?), about $35. It's the formal spec doc to that time. Further extensions are on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit directory heirarchy. I have two large grad classes using this book as one of two books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 00:25:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Message-Id: <1994Nov10.062523.32448@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 94 06:25:23 MDT References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's > ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some > PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. > So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT > (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been > written that use kermit's telnet all along) ---------- I replied to this privately but here is a summary. FTP Inc's ODIPKT has a license detection feature in ARP which prevents Kermit or other non-FTP program from accessing ARP packets over their ODIPKT. Both FTP's stack and Kermit will run over Harvard's ODIPKT, but never together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 16:44:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 16:44:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 Message-Id: <39til8$b02@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) writes: >My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): > set line /dev/ph1 > set speed 9600 > set > log session > dial 0000000 > connect >How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial >until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this >program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing >red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. >Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org >Thanks, >Jack. RTFM. Kermit has a powerful script language. Look at the CCSO Kermit doc in gopher for a full page of references, or ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Many sample scripts are disctributed with MS-DOS kermit that will do what you want. A trivial one would be: :dial-loop out ATDT xxx-xxxx\13 in 45 BUSY if suc goto dial-loop echo Not Busy, so I assume we're connected! You can define this as a macro, or a take-file. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 18:36:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:36:22 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 23 Message-Id: <39tp76$6ti@chopin.udel.edu> References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, PM Wong wrote: :We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's :ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some :PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. :So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT :(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been :written that use kermit's telnet all along) It'll work, but I don't understand why you would want to do this. Kermit can directly interface with odi packets (has been able to since v3.12 or was that 3.11?) Anyway, just do a set tcp packet odi instead of using the packet driver intrupt. However, if you're still hell bent on using PCTCP's odipkt, then yes, it will run over that too... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:47:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:47:32 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <39lem4$9qc@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu wrote: : Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple : years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? Unequalled emulation, built-in Tektronix support (in the DOS version), and free. > It's slow My own tests indicate very close to the theoretical maximum. Transfer rates are typically 97% to 106% of Zmodem. Have you found something much faster than Zmodem? : and error prone I go weeks at a time without an error. Please elaborate. : plus a pain to use. Ah, no GUI. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 04:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!eapu603 From: eapu603@rigel.oac.uci.edu (Michiko Fukada) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 11 Nov 1994 04:46:08 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 3 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39usug$mt5@news.service.uci.edu> References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1056 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6245 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Isn't kermit available on the Alpha Freeware CD? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!charon.citicorp.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 14:21:45 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 34 Message-Id: <39ta9p$5j6@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> of Jeffrey Altman X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1057 comp.os.msdos.programmer:46468 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ From newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc ] jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: ;> DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix ;> won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the ;> program is built to look in its startup directory. ;> ;>You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works ;>quite reliably. ;Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? ;This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? ;C:\KERMIT ;D:\KERMIT ;F:\MSK ;C:\BIN\COMM\MSK ;how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? I have impression, that in MS-DOS 3 (or was it 3.2?) or newer full path from where program was started is accessible to program. ;Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but ;where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories Yes. This is another case, perhaps some environment variable is good in this case. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 12 02:02:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (davis robert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 11 Nov 1994 21:02:54 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This afternoon, I hooked up a 14,400 baud modem to my UNIX box, set the line being used to 19,200 bps (the modem's manual suggests setting the speed between the modem and computer to 19,200 bps) in inittab and set C-Kermit's speed to 19,200 bps. Although everything else, such as viewing files on the screen, reading news, etc., is faster, when I attempt to transfer any files, the file transfer is about as slow as it was as 1,200 bps! Am I doing someting wrong, or is kermit supposed to transfer files this slowly? It took almost 4 minutes to transfer a 25K uncompressed text file. Thanks very much for any information that anyone can provide about what, if anything, is wrong here. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:35:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:35:25 CDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) writes: >>>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: > In article > phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: > > > phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, > phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > [snip] > > Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote > site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys > is asking for improvment? > Slow? I'm getting about 2300cps w/ a 14.4k modem using compression--if this is slow (I upgraded from a 2400), somebody please tell me what I need to do to increase the speed. As for errors, the only time I get *any* errors is if I forget to set filetype binary on both ends before a non-text transfer. For those of you who might know how to make my transfer speed increase, but need particulars, my *.ini reads: set send pack 4096 ser receive pack 4096 set block 3 set window 2 set retry 63 The terminal server that I connect to suports transfer rates as high as 38400, but no higher (KU is planning on upgrading its servers.) Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. Also, I use a high retry number because my link will sometimes hang for an extended period (not kermit's fault) and start kermit's retry sequence (which has timed out before.) Thanks for any help, and good luck to the poster on getting improved performance. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:45:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:45:06 CDT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) There is a native version of Kermit available for this OS, but I'd rather not tie myself to a proprietary implementation of the standard. Will one of the VMS versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how difficult will it be to set up? Thanks for any answers, even negative ones. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 07:17:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Transfer Rate Date: 12 Nov 1994 02:17:27 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's going on: I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least that's what the status bar on MSK says). MS-Kermit C-Kermit set flow none set flow none set windows 3 set windows 3 set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set file display none set file names literal However, when I run C-Kermit from my Linux box I don't get anywhere near the same performance. FYI, the two machines are right next to each other, and have the same hardware (actually, they may have different ethernet cards). I connect to the same host. The .mykermit file on the local machine looks the same as the above C-Kermit one except that the file display line reads ``set file display crt''. I found that fullscreen did indeed slow it down a lot, and that there wasn't much difference between crt and serial, and that the improvement over none wasn't so significant that I wanted to give up knowing how the file transfer was going. (Yes, I got all of this from the C-Kermit book--a must get!). So, am I doing something wrong? Is the report generated by MSK wrong, and I should really look at the host's `stat' report? Is there something that I should be setting since I'm going from C-Kermit to C-Kermit? Am I so illiterate that I totally missed something in the book? Thanks in advance for any and all help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 23:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 8 Nov 1994 23:35:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 21 Message-Id: <39p20m$rn1@blackice.winternet.com> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Hurwit (jhurwit@netcom.com) wrote: : In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. : >Lewenberg) writes: : >> : >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my : >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be : >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg : [macro and example of how to use it deleted] : Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a : premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save : memory for key settings and screen rollback. Well, there is no reason that you can't put the text into a take file and then define minput to take the take file. Macros are no more than memory resident take files. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 16:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (R. D. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: cmsg cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Control: cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Date: 12 Nov 1994 11:23:09 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3a2q5e$7q8@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 12:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Where to get Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:44:54 +0000 Message-Id: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). Cheers, -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:12:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:12:39 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 beta 11, and it's been nice being able to help Kermit's progression in any way. However, I have a problem that's been around since at least beta-4. Sometimes when I'm online to here at Columbia things freeze up. By accident I discovered that when I go into command mode and type 'show modem' or run a DOS program or whatever, the RD light on my modem snaps on again, and all's well with the world. For a while this was happening a lot; I thought it went away, but it happened again a couple times today. Any ideas? I haven't been able to reproduce the problem myself, but when it happens the 'show modem' method works every time. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:14:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:14:22 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a3b7e$grc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I should also point out that I'm running MS-Kermit on an old Tandy XT clone and an Intel 144/144e external 14.4k modem. Nothing's changed at all configurationwise since when I was using 3.13, and I don't think this happened then. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:21:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 9 Nov 1994 17:21:46 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31601 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1066 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass via Int 14. Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout of the unix host ? -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 18:26:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!oberg From: oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 9 Nov 1994 18:26:05 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 28 Message-Id: <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article "Archimedes L. >Trajano" writes: >> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >> C-Kermit source files? >> >Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability of MS-kermit scripts. Craig Oberg oberg@hexagon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:12:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:12:34 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 9 Message-Id: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from kermit.columbia.edu. These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 23:19:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:31:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:30:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:19:32 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >we don't have any idea of what's important to you. One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my own decisions as to what should be included or not. -- Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 04:16:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 13 NOV 94 04:16:31 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 6 Message-Id: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >We have to manually press ^] and then type c to ... exit to DOS... I don't know if there's a way to "automate" an exit to DOS, but alt-x should work. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:10:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 13 Nov 1994 06:10:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 10 Message-Id: References: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> <3a0lci$c9h@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM's message of 11 Nov 1994 12:49:22 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok. I'm confused then. Thanks. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:41:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:41:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:995 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1072 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its substitutes. I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:04:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:04:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5de8$b8t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: TNGLASS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu TNGLASS does not tell Kermit when the connection is broken, so Kermit can't pop back to the prompt automatically. In fact, Kermit does not even know it's a TELNET connection. Kermit's internal TCP/IP TELNET implementation does exactly what you want, and goes faster and does more things, but you can't run it at the same time as PC/TCP. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:08:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:08:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3a5dl5$bd7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you > It sounds like what you are really asking is, where can I get a newer version of MS-DOS Kermit? MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is in Beta test. The "draft" distribution diskette image is in a ZIP file, including the executables: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure, read the top-level READ.ME file for installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 13:20:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:20:11 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39t6mb$kd6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: : You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works : quite reliably. I *hate* programs with the directory compiled into the executable. 1. The "correct directory" is inevitably under the root directory, so the root directory listing is huge. I prefer to group applications by type. 2. Ever try to share an application across a network that demands to run from "C:\EGOTIST" and to find all of its configuration files there? We have rejected several software packages for this very reason. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:12:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get Kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:12:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5du4$bhv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit >for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? > kermit.columbia.edu. The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 Beta, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. >Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL >DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have >minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). > Aren't those UNIX machines? Then just run C-Kermit on them. I sounds like you would be surprised to find out that Kermit programs are already written to run on most kinds of computers and operating systems. C-Kermit 5A(190) is on the same host, directory kermit/f. Get the file ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 18:34:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number 2) keep redialing if busy 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. 5) enter the line "slip default" 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use NCSA's telnet Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip connection. I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you Carlos From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 19:38:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 13 Nov 1994 19:38:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-Id: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As of 13 November 1994, C-Kermit 5A(190) is installed for real on kermit.columbia.edu, replacing the previous version, 5A(189) of 30 June 1993. This is the Kermit software for UNIX (all varieties), VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, OS-9, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST. Highlights of the new version are: . File transfer recovery from point of failure (binary-mode transfers only): UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, Amiga. . Massive improvements in the OS/2 version. . Totally new and full-featured implementations for QNX and Stratus VOS. . Support for many new OS releases: Solaris 2.3, AIX 4.1, Unixware 1.1, new releases of Linux, {Free,Net,etc}BSD, OpenVMS 6.x, etc etc... . Auto-upload/download/configuration/anything-else via APC mechanism: UNIX, VMS, OS/2. . Numerous improvements in performance, script programming, client/server protocol, character sets, file transfer display, dialing, etc. C-Kermit 5A(190) is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f (NOT kermit/b), also known as kermit/c-kermit, and several other directories, as follows: kermit/f (= kermit/c-kermit) - FTP all files in text mode: Source code; Documentation files (.hlp, .nr, .upd, .bwr, .doc, etc); Initialization and script files (.ini, .kdd, .ksd, etc); ASCII-binaries except for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2: ckd190.uue - DG AOS/VS ckiker.boo - Amiga cklker.h68 - VOS 680x0 cklker.h86 - VOS i860 ckm190.hqx - Macintosh cksker.boo - Atari ST cksncp.boo - Atari ST (small version) kermit/bin - FTP all files in binary mode (except READ.ME): True binaries for UNIX, VMS, etc. See the READ.ME for details. kermit/vmshex - FTP in text mode: VMS C-Kermit binaries in hex format, together with the decoding program, ckvdeh.mar. See the READ.ME file for details. kermit/archives - FTP in binary mode unless otherwise indicated: cku190.tar.Z - Compressed tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. cku190.tar.gz - Gzip'd tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. ckvsrc.hex - (TEXT mode) VMS C-Kermit source BACKUP saveset. cko190.zip - OS/2 C-Kermit distribution diskette image. See kermit/f/ckc190.ann for a detailed list of changes in 5A(190). See kermit/f/cko190.ann for new features of the OS/2 version. For overviews of specific versions, see: kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp - General C-Kermit overview kermit/f/ckdaaa.hlp - AOS/VS kermit/f/ckiaaa.hlp - Amiga kermit/f/cklaaa.hlp - Stratus VOS kermit/f/ckoaaa.hlp - OS/2 kermit/f/ckuaaa.hlp - UNIX kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp - VMS The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for further info. A German-language edition is also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 04:16:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Transfer Rate Message-Id: <1994Nov12.101642.32608@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 10:16:42 MDT References: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's > going on: > > I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the > host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the > following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least > that's what the status bar on MSK says). > > MS-Kermit C-Kermit > set flow none set flow none > set windows 3 set windows 3 > set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 > set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 > set file display none > set file names literal -------- Something is not what it should be Jerry. 8.5K cps over Telnet is far below what I see under similar circumstances. Between MSK and C Kermit on a DEC Alpha I get around 85K cps, MSK to CK on a 386-33 Unix machine I get around 28K cps. 486-66 DX/2 machine for the MSK part. Suggestions are to upgrade the C Kermit side to 5A (190) where significant speed improvments have occurred, and to have a careful look at your Ethernet system to see if packets are being dropped. Note that MSK has a 4KB TCP buffer so Kermit packets smaller than this are a more natural fit (only a minor effect). I use 2KB packets and 4 window slots. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 14:04:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Message-Id: <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 20:04:25 MDT References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31616 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1080 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass > via Int 14. > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) > We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. > Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout > of the unix host ? --------------- The interface provided by tnglass is the standard Bios Int 14h for serial ports, and that lacks the notion of session status. Hence Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 03:33:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov13.093331.32652@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 09:33:31 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >>we don't have any idea of what's important to you. > One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone > can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to > offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the > unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions > that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my > own decisions as to what should be included or not. > > -- > Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University > (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada ------------ We publlish the source code so you then have all the items at your disposal for tailoring. Be aware that the patch file works only on the executables issued from Columbia. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:44:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:44:16 MDT References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number > 2) keep redialing if busy > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. > 5) enter the line "slip default" > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use > NCSA's telnet > > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip > connection. > > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you > Carlos > --------- Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through hoops with ours to help you run theirs. May I make two serious suggestions? 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your own scripts. 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:49:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124903.32662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:49:03 MDT References: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run > DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit > to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) Hmm. I haven't had any trouble with MS-Kermit under TSX-Lite. However, I am using an antique version MS-Kermit: 3.11. (Hi, Joe!) > Will one of the VMS > versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how > difficult will it be to set up? I don't think you'll have much luck with the VMS version of C-Kermit. Although the OSes are conceptually similar, they are also quite different. Your best bet for now would be to try to figure out why MS-Kermit won't work on your system. I can ship you a copy of the 3.11 executable that I have been using under TSX-Lite. I suppose I could also download the newer version so that more people are working on the problem... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:19:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:19:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin wrote: >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet This is the third time in a month that I have seen someone ask: "How can I use Kermit so that I can use NCSA's telnet?" Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? Much appreciated. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 13 Nov 1994 17:30:48 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1085 alt.winsock:21638 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 01:49:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!bast!kzinti.Lynx.COM!seibert From: seibert@kzinti.Lynx.COM (Greg Seibert) Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup References: Sender: news@lynx.com (Usenet) Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <1994Nov14.014915.111@lynx.com> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:996 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1086 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chermesh Ran wrote: > >Hi, > Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. >I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY >DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its >substitutes. > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > > Ran > >-- >Ran Chermesh E - M A I L >Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== >Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL >Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL >Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET >Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 > >URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN And he's not even on AOL !!! -- --Greg (seibert@lynx.com) "In Real-Time You Never Get a Second Chance" From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:37:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: Re: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:37:17 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 30 Message-Id: References: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heres my .kermrc file, this should make C-Kermit happy. You'll do even better if you tune your local kermit accordingly. With a little tuning you can get almost the same throughput as zmodem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:05:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:05:42 -0800 Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:998 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1088 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. Roland Kwee From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 16:58:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 14 Nov 1994 16:58:41 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3a8501$k3b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: : > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and : > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am : > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt : > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number : > 2) keep redialing if busy : > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. : > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. : > 5) enter the line "slip default" : > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use : > NCSA's telnet : > : > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip : > connection. : > : > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you : > Carlos : > : --------- : Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the : lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through : hoops with ours to help you run theirs. Not really many hopes but the in general I didn't seem to find much insight on using kermit for slip. Yes I did see the article with the docs. I wanted to complain I would do so. BTW this wasn't a complaint if your ego is too fragile to handle it sorry. But it was a request for information. : May I make two serious suggestions? : 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your : own scripts. I have read the manual and have gotten a small feel for kermit scripting but I would not consider myself a pro at this and I am sure there many people out there who are very good at this.Ergo instead of trying a hack at it myself I figure I wouldn't post a to a news groups that would know better. If you don't proclaim to know better keep you comments to yourself!: 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. : Joe D. To this all I can say is I use what works. First I want to get a something working that works and I know. The tinker with something new. I am sure you would agree it's better to have a old car in working order than a new Cadillac (or what have you) sitting in the garage requiring you to figure the firing order for it. Regardless I do plan to evidentually move to ms-dos kermit. "It's better, amongst other things." Lacks any evidence or support if you care to support you claims please do so. I am eager to hear about it's better benefits afterall being new to Kermit some insight you be beneficial. LAST OF ALL. What the point of this news group if not to answer the questions and queries of the less knowledgable. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 00:03:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 Ready Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:03:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3a8ttc$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of about 5pm EST, 14 November 1994. kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-11 include: - Additional RTS/CTS and SET CARRIER ON fixes and enforcement. Heavy testing needed (more of it...) - Kanji terminal emulation completed. Use MS-DOS Kermit on regular IBM PCs with EGA or VGA or higher and DOS/V to read Kanji (fj.*) newsgroups, access the Nikkei Telecom database, use other host-based Kanji applications like e-mail, etc. Transfer Kanji text files between PC and host without garbling the characters (Shift-JIS to JIS conversion), etc. Many thanks to Hirofumi Fujii for this work. - Cyrillic font fixed; "e" is no longer displayed as "c" (thanks to Yossi Gil at the Technion for getting this fixed so promptly). Russian keyboard drivers (thanks to Dimitri Vulis) and documentation added. If you have an 8-bit-clean host-based newsreader, simply type "cyrillic" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and then browse the relcom.* newsgroups (assumes postings are in KOI8, but Kermit can also handle ISO 8859-5 and Short KOI). See CYRILLIC\READ.ME for details. - Compose u-circumflex fixed (required reading in Canada :-) - SET KEY capacity increased to 269 key definitions, 256 string definitions, and 2000 bytes of string space. - WPGGOLD.COM added, an alternative to GOLD.COM, allowing Num Lock to be used as a regular key with its own unique scan code (\325). VT300.INI updated to account for this scan code. Thanks to Novell's new WordPerfect Division for this contribution. - EMACS.INI added: key mappings for EMACS users, primarily allowing the Alt key to be used as the EMACS Meta key. Thanks, as ever, to Joe Doupnik for his skillful work and for integrating the work of the others acknowledged above. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 20:07:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:33:39 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1091 alt.winsock:21725 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Well, I've thought about this one, and I'd have to say that the blunt answer is no. I am working on some things like this--you'd have to go the route of running Winsock over a packet driver & then using a shim like pktmux to split off virtual packet drivers. I suppose you could run slp16550 or etherppp packet drivers outside of Windows. Otherwise you'd have to write an implementation of SLIP or PPP that communicates with some kind of TSR stub in the System VM that makes it look like the packets from the dial-up connection are comming out of a packet driver. In short, this is pretty yecchy. Soren From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 21:59:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:59:43 +0000 Message-Id: <784763983snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is >not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement >then follow instructions in that message. Any idea how far away this will be? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 05:23:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Message-Id: <1994Nov14.112347.32738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 11:23:47 MDT References: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:1001 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1093 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > >> I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, > on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. > Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. > > Roland Kwee ------------ Greg Seibert @ lynx.com points out that the "lynx" above refers to a WWW browser. That's hardly the business Kermit programs are in. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 15:44:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov14.214428.32803@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 21:44:28 MDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1>, kacovert@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kent Covert) writes: > In article <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >> Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. > > Actually, I think that the Mac version of Kermit reports this incorrectly. > I've never seen the Mac version report anything higher than 1 also. But, > if you issue the STATUS command on the server after a transfer, you'll > usually find that the server reports using more than 1. > ----------- You are both right, but maybe not for the reasons you think. With Columbia Kermits the receiver shows how many packets have been recognized as packets and are being processed. If packets arrive in order with none missing then one at a time is processed as bytes are read from the comms channel; we see one window slot in use. Other bytes may still be in the comms channel (includes receiver's port buffer) but not yet parsed as a packet. If a packet is damaged or really missing then the out of order packets are recognized and stashed away while the receiver still tries to find the desired (but missing) packet. Then the number of window slots in use grows. Kermit uses "selective repeat" sliding windows so only the missing packet(s) needs to be retransmitted. The status command should show the number of window slots available, rather than just the number used. But I have no Mac to see what's what on it. MS-DOS Kermit shows the "active out of available" number on the formatted file transfer display. The transmitter is given permission to send all window slots worth of packets. It does so, but between each it takes a very quick peek at the comms channel to see if enough bytes have arrived to constitute a possible acknowledgment. If there are enough then it is read and processed on the fly. Thus the transmitter may show many (two or more) window slots in use even under ideal conditions as it waits for ACKs from the other side. Quiz Friday. Homework: what might a receiver say about a missing packet? Hint: as little as possible, but... Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 12:25:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal Emulation Date: 15 Nov 1994 12:25:25 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help me with creating them. Thanks. Brian Degregorio degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 21:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 15 Nov 94 21:24:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Cc: kermit@columbia.edu (Kermit Distribution) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. The redirectors I use are: FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 NCSA NET14.EXE Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 10:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:24:00 +0000 Message-Id: <784895040snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> somebody@prairienet.org "Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin" writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and >it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am >search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt >1) startup kermit and dial a phone number >2) keep redialing if busy The DIAL command already does this >3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. >4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. >5) enter the line "slip default" I've altered the DIAL so that the last field is NOT a comment but the name of the SCRIPT file which is run AFTER the DIAL has finished. >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet Since you are using MS-Kermit to dial up WHY do you need to use a different telnet program? MS-Kermit has a very good one already! Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 19:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:50:50 GMT Message-Id: References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31638 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1098 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) (..) > Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's > own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is > true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. > The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which > is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Putting connect quit in your ini-file, makes Alt-X behave like 'end session & quit'. If you always use the same command to log out from your host, say 'exit' you also can try a sequence like: connect output exit\13 quit very handy for 'canned' sessions. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 11:49:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:09:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:08:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:49:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill (ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- built a working Kermit with no problems. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 03:39:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!dchou From: dchou@ncoast.org (David Chou) Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta 10 hangs Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 03:39:26 GMT Message-Id: Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am experiencing periodic hangs with the latest version of MS-Kermit with garbage. I have seen this on two processors which have little in common except that both have 16550 serial UARTS. One board is a 386/33 AMI Mark II based system; the second is a 90MHz Pentium AMI board. Both have had the problem when junk is received. The problem is cleared throug the alt-= reset function in Kermit. Dave Chou From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 08:27:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!cronkite.nersc.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Message-Id: <1994Nov15.142720.32864@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 14:27:19 MDT References: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) writes: > Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for > IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help > me with creating them. Thanks. > > Brian Degregorio > degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu ------------ Terminal emulation doesn't work via .ini files, as you probably know. There is no support for either of the terminals above, unless they happen to emulate one of the text terminals already present in MS-DOS Kermit: VT320/220/102/100/52, Heath-19, Data General D470/D463, Wyse-50, Honeywell VIP7809, Prime PT200. Adding a new terminal type is generally a fairly serious undertaking, not to mention a memory consumer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 06:48:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 06:48:16 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: Missing make file Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Sorry for the posting but mail to Frank da Cruz is bouncing. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 21:56:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 21:56:20 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3adv64$k37@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> <3adsv3$j7o@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >>In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill >>(ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >>>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >>>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >>>from the cku190.tar.gz archive. >> Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was >> in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- >> built a working Kermit with no problems. I have re-FTP'd it and the archive is, indeed, complete. Don't ask me what went wrong with the first copy because I have no idea! Apologies if I have misled anybody ... From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 16:54:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Message-Id: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 22:54:37 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully > up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. > The redirectors I use are: > FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 > NCSA NET14.EXE > > Thank you, > Daniel Lewart > d-lewart@uiuc.edu --------------- Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 16 Nov 94 22:43:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before > and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using > MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Yes. My redirectors are FTP 2.3 TNGLASS and NCSA 2.3.08 NET14. MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14/Beta-N, where N <= 11, work with both of them. 3.14/Beta-12 connects, but the screen stays blank with both of them. > Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work > at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the > active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have > SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). I have kermit.exe (3.14/Beta-12), mskermit.ini (below is a stripped- down version), and msvibm.exe (3.13) all in the current directory. My commands with the FTP stack are as follows: tnglass myhost -e msvibm tnglass myhost -e kermit The first works; the second fails. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- set port bios1 ; Int 14H redirection if not < version 314 set carrier off ; Default anyway connect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 08:41:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Script for Creatix Modem Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:41:03 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3af4uv$1ck@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody made a script for the Creatix modem (Version SG144, maybe an earlier version might work as well)? This modem seems to be quite popular in Germany. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:53:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PARITY command-line completion Date: 16 Nov 94 22:53:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 16 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-12, but this command-line completion bug has been around for a while. The following add extra stuff on the end: set parity e set parity m set parity n set parity o set parity s For example, "set parity n" gives: set parity none (8-bit data) _ This should be: set parity none_ where the underscore is the cursor. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:42:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:42:10 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3af8hi$1r0@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3abv77$1cr1@saturn.caps.maine.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mtdesert@saturn.caps.maine.edu (MDIHS) writes: >Now how do I get backspace key on my DOS machine to actually backpace >instead of printing ^D. I'm on PC, MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12, VT320 >emulation. I've never been able to get backspace to work with previous >Kermits either, though I'm sure it's a very simple thing to do... >It gets old ^Uing all of my command line mistakes. >Thanks for any help. >-mdi The MSKERMIT.INI normally re-defines the backspace key (_bs) as \127, not as \4 = ^D as in your case. You can easily experiment with key definitions by entering "sh key" and "set key" from the MS-Kermit prompt. Maybe there are good reasons for your ^D configuration of the backspace key. If your remote computer runs UNIX, you can simply enter stty erase KEYSTROKE with KEYSTROKE meaning, press your backspace key, and whatever its key definition, it will then work correctly at the command line (without changing the key's function in application programs). -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:12:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:12:18 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >Much appreciated. I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice with NCSA telnet. The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: * Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. * ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC with Kermit (right?) There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of multiple files on different computers. Further comments? Regards, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 00:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Message-Id: <1994Nov17.065416.33073@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Nov 94 06:54:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) writes: > Hi, > I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the > kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, > I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a > MSTIBM.EXE file. > My qestions: > 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? > 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE ------------ First, I strongly suggest you go back to MSK v3.13 until v3.14 is released. The current beta period is for shaking out bugs, where changes still occur, and the final bundle of distribution files is still fluid. MSK 3.14 has not yet reached release (but will very soon). Second, the filename you reference is what Windows wants to run when the icon is clicked. Choose a filename that's appropriate. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 15:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 15:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3afrvi$3ur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > > >>Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from >serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the >moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice >with NCSA telnet. > >The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: > >* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. Understood. This functionality is available in C-Kermit for OS/2 but not MS-DOS Kermit. >* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote > computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet > session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC > with Kermit (right?) Well, of course a server is required. You just don't have to start it. But if the server daemon (ftpd) is not running you won't be able to perform any file transfers at all. But of course you can't perform an anonymous ftp with Kermit. Most tcp/ip stacks come with an ftp program though. However, for remote transfers from the PC, Kermit can always be placed in Server mode. >There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal >emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, >Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It >can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for >MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of >multiple files on different computers. Correct. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:38:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: Kermit 3.14, DOSLYNX and dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:38:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Is it possible to run doslynx through kermit from a dialup connection? Appreciate a reply. Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:37:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:37:16 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a MSTIBM.EXE file. My qestions: 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 20:07:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:07:19 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After checking $status after several C-Kermit sessions I realized that the exit status ends up in ckermit_status. I'm running 5A(190) BETA.17 for OpenVMS AXP (and also a similar version on a VAX). Is this the standard symbol for the result? I couldn't find reference to ckermit_status in the Using C-Kermit book anywhere. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 13:03:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: help w\ kermit send binary Message-Id: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:03:48 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted too quick for me to see the error message. email or post would be appreciated. Joe From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 08:16:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!soleil!oconnor From: Frank O'Connor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:16:29 -0500 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soleil.acomp.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: oconnor@soleil In-Reply-To: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1116 alt.winsock:22133 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for the same thing... But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I can find it? Thanks! On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd > like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that > looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the > winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver > below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the > same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:13:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:13:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1118 alt.winsock:22152 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through WinSock. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:10:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:23:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:10:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help w\ kermit send binary Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:10:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aiu75$p9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? >I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup >kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by >show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas > 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). > >anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted >too quick for me to see the error message. > What software are you using on the PC side of the connection? If you are not using MS-DOS Kermit, I would suggest that you do. Many other software packages that claim Kermit protocol support are very selective about which parts of the protocol definition they implement. We need more info to help. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 01:12:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!mosspc.TTI.COM!moss From: moss@tti.com (Les Moss) Subject: Re: source for Zmodem specs? Message-Id: Lines: 17 Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: mosspc.tti.com Organization: TTI X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:12:51 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1119 comp.protocols.misc:3839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ennisj@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jay Ennis) writes: >Does anyone know where I might find a specification for Zmodem? Is it even >written down? I don't believe there is one (Nothing like the Kermit Protocol Manual, for example). Most people implement it by porting the public domain code by Forsberg available on many FTP sites. You will find some written stuff by Forsberg at those same sites, but it is not complete, you still need to read the code. Thats all I found for my implementation (written from scratch for non-C environment). Tim Kientzle (kientzle@netcom.com) is currently writing a book which should be a complete ZModem spec. Hopefully, that will be available soon. (I reviewed an early version of his spec and it sure would have helped me if I had had it in the beginning of my implementation.) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 07:18:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!lkadams From: lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca (Larson Keith Adams) Subject: Help with flow rate Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:18:53 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much in the way of settings). If any Kermit wizards out there could mail me and help me speed this thing up, I would be grateful. Keith lkadams@engg.ucalgary.ca ps...our system administrator is no help at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 04:14:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.101417.33213@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 10:14:17 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1121 alt.winsock:22228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Connor writes: > I'm looking for the same thing... > But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I > can find it? > Thanks! > > On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com ------------ The shim comes from me, Les. Dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, and this will also be in the MSK 3.14 distribution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 03:19:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!garym From: garym@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit user's manual or FAQ??? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.091931.33200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 09:19:31 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know where I could get a user's manual or possibly a FAQ for Kermit? -- Gary S. Mortensen GARYM@CC.USU.EDU "You can't achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." - Unknown "If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything." - Unknown From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:20:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!qmw!vaxb.mdx.ac.uk!ANDREW27 From: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Date: 19 Nov 1994 12:20:54 GMT Organization: Middlesex University, London, England Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help? I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary problems would be greatly appreciatted. Any replies or E-Mail on this subject gratefully recieved. Thanks, Andrew From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 18:02:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 18 Nov 1994 10:02:48 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3aiq88$bdc@pacifier.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: > >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > Since your terminal is set to 7N1, I assume that you do not have a full 8-bit path to your host. I would surmise that neither of your Kermits knows this. Have you tried doing a SET PARITY SPACE on both ends before doing the binary transfers? This has the effect of telling the Kermits that the high-bit cannot be used for data and that "8th-bit-quoting" must be used. Hence, you'll get 8-bit data thru your 7-bit data path. Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 05:02:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov18.110238.33219@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 11:02:38 MDT References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) writes: > I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through > a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly > is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even > after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to > 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on > port 2. Can someone help? > > Thank You. --------- There was a bug in MSK 3.14 beta prior to 12, a side effect of adding the "whatami" feature. The resulting transmission mode ended up being text no matter what. May I suggest to testers that when you do find a bug please try the current beta to see if it's been fixed. Items underway for the next beta: Certain operations with string substitution were confused when \fname appears and the name isn't one of the \fxxx() functions. Fixed. Still questions on RTS/CTS, to be investigated this weekend. Set Parity blah shows extra "(8 data bits)" tag. Yes, I may change that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 23:26:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 18 Nov 1994 23:26:56 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for : further info. A German-language edition is also available. But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) Here I sit, AmEx in hand... Perhaps you meant to say: Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:01:10 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most likely have I once again put my foot in it? Bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 12:10:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: <1994Nov18.181009.33272@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 18:10:09 MDT References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants > : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember > : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. > : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for > : further info. A German-language edition is also available. > > But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) > Here I sit, AmEx in hand... > > Perhaps you meant to say: > Tel. +1 212 854-3703 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ correct. > Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. Rats. We can't win sometimes. Joe D. > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 05:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.112618.33306@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 11:26:18 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > Hi- > > Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid > for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger > than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, > insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > > Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of > respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some > overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most > likely have I once again put my foot in it? ------------ C Kermit builds to file "wermit" so you can rename it to a convenient spelling later (without losing your older Kermit). "ls -l" tells all. This C Kermit works ok on my Unix PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 01:52:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: <1994Nov18.205223.7538@eisner> Date: 18 Nov 94 20:52:23 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think CKERMIT_STATUS contains the values listed on page 324 in table I-1. scott burns@burns.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 23:48:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit -ix and binary transfers (not working) Date: 19 Nov 1994 23:48:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 33 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3am2rr$ete@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: deneb.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having some trouble sending binary files from the UNIX machine at school to my OS/2 system at home. Here is what happens: 1. If I type kermit -ix, escape back to my OS/2 Ckermit, and then type 'get file.zip', my OS/2 C-kermit starts receiving the file but announces that the FILE TYPE is "TEXT (no translation)". Huh? 2. If I start kermit with no command line options, type 'set file type binary' at the C-kermit prompt, type 'send file.zip', escape back to the OS/2 C-kermit and then type 'receive' my OS/2 C-kermit recieves the file and tells me the FILE TYPE is BINARY. Why does 2 work while 1 does not? Shouldn't the '-ix' force all file transfers to be binary? I used to have NO trouble (before I installed the current version of the Unix C-kermit). The Unix C-kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, while the OS/2 kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit Numeric: 501190 Thanks, Adam H. Leweneberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 10:24:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.162440.33322@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 16:24:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > Hello, > > I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. > > Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. > (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) > > My problem is: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 > Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... > > Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 > Unable to contact the host > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > remark: I test > c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. > > Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Gilles Ratel > Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca ------------- I'll guess you still have Pathworks running over TCP/IP when you used Kermit. One may have only one protocol stack of a given kind running over a board at one time. Try again without the Pathworks TCP/IP stack going, or run Kermit over the top of Pathworks. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 16:18:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:18:59 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) My problem is: ---------------------------------------------------------------- MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 Unable to contact the host The host may be down or a gateway may be needed ----------------------------------------------------------------- remark: I test c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? Thanks in advance, Gilles Ratel Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 19:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us!mbguest From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) Subject: Re: Help with flow rate X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: The box in my house Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:12:25 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Larson Keith Adams (lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get : above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at : 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much : in the way of settings). You may have problems in both . The immediate problem is your WinComm Pro . It is using 64 bit packes and 1 at a time . I would suggest getting MS-Kermit . If WinComm Pro supports external protocols , follow the instructions on how to do that . Otherwise use MS-Kermit as the term program also. -- Matt - Linux Help via e-mail mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us mbguest@worf.infonet.net mbguest@delphi.com mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:27:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Message-Id: <1994Nov19.182744.33330@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 18:27:44 MDT References: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk writes: > Can anyone help? > > I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 > to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with > my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two > to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary > problems would be greatly appreciatted. --------- Common maladies: Wrong parity, so the sides don't match (they must match) Insufficient flow control Specifying the wrong kind (Binary, Text) of file mode Please inform your VAX administrator that everyone would be much better off if Kermit-32 were deleted and C Kermit 5A were installed. See kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for ckv*.exe, and cd kermit/b for all text files. I have no Macs, nor have I heard of "VICOM Connect." Joe D. e NO trouble (before I installed > the current version of the Unix C-kermit). > > The Unix C-kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x > Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, > > while the OS/2 kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit > Numeric: 501190 ----------- I believe the release notes for C Kermit explain that the client now controls file TYPE via the SET FILE TYPE command given on the client. It's part of file attributes, named the "whatami" component, where the client informs the server of its binary/text state. It's a step forward, really. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 02:12:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU!s923796 From: s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit icon Date: 19 Nov 1994 02:12:08 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Summary: Seeking a kermit icon for the Windows desktop Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest versions of Kermit have this already? Dave. -- David A. Sexton s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au n From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 14:15:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: > Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. > Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest > versions of Kermit have this already? > Dave. --------- Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe you want to create your own. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 07:00:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:00:13 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1139 alt.winsock:22420 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... >A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >WinSock. Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. Any takers. Brian. P.S. I was looking into this for Network DOOM. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------ /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 04:58:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 10:58:34 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1140 alt.winsock:22429 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net>, bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) writes: > > > In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > says... > >>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>WinSock. > > Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP > functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. > You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection > code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows > WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application > would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may > require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I > have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. ------- Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor realistic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!PeterW!p.waltenberg From: p.waltenberg@irl.cri.nz (Peter Waltenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Industrial Research Ltd Lines: 21 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 161.65.60.3 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1141 alt.winsock:22440 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. PeterW From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:37:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 20 Nov 1994 20:37:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1142 alt.winsock:22443 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Waltenberg wrote: >------- >> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>realistic. >> Joe D. > >Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. > >I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. > But this doesn't address the original need. The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection made with Windows for Workgroups. In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the real packet driver for the mux to sit on. In the setup you describe there is no need to interface a virtual packet driver with the WinSock API because the DOS session can talk with the real packet driver. In any case, the desired functionality is not available nor is it worth creating. The only thing that makes sense is a telnet redirector. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 09:43:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!teosongh From: teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 16 Nov 1994 09:43:06 GMT Organization: DISCS at NUS Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: teosongh@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? -- SoNghEnG tHe 25 MiNuTeS lAtE... FoR tHe LaTtEr To CoMe... -=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-< Email : teosongh@iscs.nus.sg or isc30171@nus.sg >-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 22:06:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 20 Nov 1994 14:06:03 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when you get right down to it. Any help appreciated. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.161625.33380@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:16:25 MDT References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) writes: > > Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, and it runs fine in an OS/2 DOS box using communications facilities available to DOS programs. It works with OS/2 to relinquish cpu time slices when nothing much is happening and to economize on screen updating overhead. C Kermit for OS/2 is an OS/2 program which uses communications facilities available to OS/2 programs. MSK 3.13 is the current formal release, with 3.14 being in the last stages of beta testing. CK v5A(190) is the current C Kermit release. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:40:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:40:15 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 735 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com>, nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: > Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew > characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was > not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between > Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when > you get right down to it. ------------ We need to understand precisely what you mean by "Hebrew Kermit." MS-DOS Kermit is the vehicle delivering Kermit for Hebrew users of DOS machines, and it works well that way. The user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", discusses ways of using MSK with Hebrew hosts. The only Kermit command which is specialized for this purpose is SET TERMINAL DIRECTION (LEFT-TO-RIGHT, RIGHT-TO-LEFT); the rest is built upon regular Kermit features. You did not mention which version of Kermit you are using, which would have been helpful. May I suggest you look at the preliminary documentation for the beta MSK 3.14, file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test on kermit.columbia.edu. See the Hebrew subdirectory after you unpack the file. Btw, "beta" means things change before release. I'm afraid that we can't help with HED since that's outside of Kermit. Perhaps the attachment below has enough information to help. For quick general reference I'm going to bloat News with file Hebrew.doc from the archive. Hopefully it will help others get started too. Joe D. -------------- USING MS-DOS KERMIT TO DISPLAY, ENTER, AND TRANSFER HEBREW TEXT Frank da Cruz Academic Information Systems Columbia University E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu April-October, 1994 Beginning with version 3.13 (July 1993), MS-DOS Kermit includes full support for Hebrew text, including Hebrew terminal emulation for mixing Hebrew and Roman characters when using host-based Hebrew software, and translation of Hebrew character sets during file transfer. Earlier MS-DOS Kermit releases do not include Hebrew features. This document assumes some familiarity with DOS and with MS-DOS Kermit. References are listed at the end. This document explains how to use MS-DOS Kermit in Hebrew mode for interacting with other computers. It does not address questions of Hebrew text processing within the PC environment itself. WARNING: As of this writing, I have not been able to find a way to make the techniques described in this document work in a Microsoft Windows window. Even though Kermit itself works perfectly in a window, Windows does not allow the Hebrew font to be loaded. Reportedly, Windows 3.1 ML (Multi-Lingual) supports Hebrew, but perhaps not in a way that can be used by Kermit. Thus, to use Kermit's Hebrew features, you must run Kermit in DOS, or in a Windows fullscreen session, but not in a window. BACKGROUND: HEBREW CHARACTER SETS There are several coded character sets that contain the Hebrew alphabet. Each of these sets uses a different encoding, and therefore they are all mutually incompatible. To interchange Hebrew text between two computers that use different encodings, conversions must be done. Kermit software makes these conversions for you. The character sets are: ASCII - The American National Standard Code for Information Interchange. This is a 7-bit character set, incorporating 128 characters, of which 95 are "graphic" (printable) characters, and 17 are control characters such as carriage return, linefeed, etc. It contains no Hebrew, but it is the basis for all the other character sets discussed here, unless noted otherwise. It includes uppercase and lowercase Roman letters A-Z, digits 0-9, space, and various punctuation marks. ISO 8859-8 - The Latin/Hebrew Alphabet. The international standard character set for Hebrew, adopted by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), of which Israel is a member body. It is an 8-bit character set, incorporating 256 characters, of which 137 are graphic characters, 65 are control characters, and 22 are undefined. It includes ASCII, some additional punctuation, math, and currency symbols, plus the 22 Hebrew letters and 5 final forms. IBM PC Code Page 862. Similar to Latin/Hebrew, but including many additional characters (line and box drawing, accented Roman letters, etc), and using different encoding. Used only on PCs. IBM Mainframe Code Page 424. An 8-bit mainframe code, totally incompatible with ASCII and everything else, which contains approximately the same repertoire as Latin/Hebrew. DEC Hebrew (or "Hebrew-7"). A 7-bit character set, equivalent to ASCII, but with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters. Used to trick 7-bit applications and communication methods into handling Hebrew characters. ADDING HEBREW FEATURES TO KERMIT To use MS-DOS Kermit's Hebrew terminal emulation features, you must first load a Hebrew code page into your PC. "Code page" is IBM's term for "font" or "character set". An EGA, VGA, or compatible video system that permits text fonts to be loaded is required. The Kermit diskette contains a public-domain Hebrew code page (and several others) and public-domain utilities for loading and displaying code pages, compiled and/or created by Professor Joseph (Yossi) Gil at the Technion, plus additional material created at Columbia University: the Hebrew setups and key mappings for Kermit, various character set tables, documentation, etc. Here is a brief synopsis of the files in the Kermit HEBREW directory: HEBREW.DOC - This file HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Documentation for HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW-7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table And these are in the Kermit PCFONTS directory: LOADFONT.COM - Program for changing PC code page (font) LOADFONT.HLP - Help text for LOADFONT CHARSET.COM - Program to display current code page (font) CP437.F16 - USA code page CP850.F16 - Multinational (i.e. Western Europe) code page CP852.F16 - Eastern Europe code page CP862.F16 - Hebrew code page CP866.F16 - Cyrillic code page The CPxxx.F16 files are to be used with LOADFONT. For example, to load the Hebrew code page, type the following command at the DOS prompt: C:\> cd c:\kermit\pcfonts ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C:\> loadfont cp862.f16 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The CP862.TBL file will look right when you have CP862 loaded (for example, when you TYPE it, EDIT it, etc). The other .TBL files are there for reference and practice. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES After you start Kermit, type the command: HEBREW at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt. "HEBREW" is a macro, defined in MSKERMIT.INI, that executes the HEBREW.INI file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. HEBREW.INI sets everything up for you automatically. If you always want to have the Hebrew features available when you use Kermit, use a text editor to add the HEBREW command to your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then you won't have to type this command at all. The HEBREW.INI file: 1. Activates ISO 8859-8 / CP862 character-set translations. 2. Adds commands to let you change code pages easily. 3. Loads the Hebrew code page. 4. Defines the key maps for Hebrew and English keyboard modes. 5. Sets up commands and hot keys for switching keyboard modes. 6. Sets up hot keys for switching screen-writing direction. The initial keyboard mode is English. The Hebrew font remains loaded after you exit from Kermit, unless you load another font yourself. After Kermit has executed the HEBREW.INI command file, the following new commands are available at at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt: HKEYS Enter Hebrew keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. EKEYS Enter English keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. HFONT Load the Hebrew font (done automatically when you TAKE HEBREW.INI) EFONT Load the US font (CP437) MFONT Load the Multinational (West European) font (CP850) And the following function keys are available during terminal emulation (CONNECT mode): F5 "Hot key" to enter Hebrew keyboard mode immediately. F6 Hot key to enter English keyboard mode immediately. F7 Equivalent to DEC VT terminal's F7 key (for use with JTSA catalog). F9 Select right-to-left screen writing. F10 Select left-to-right screen writing. USING MS-DOS KERMIT FOR HEBREW TERMINAL EMULATION The HEBREW.INI file sets Kermit up for an 8-bit connection to hosts and applications that use the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew character set. This is the the international standard Hebrew character set, and the one used by most host-based applications, such as the ALEPH Hebrew library software. But it is not the same as the PC Hebrew code page, so Kermit must translate between the two. There are at least two other possibilities, which you must consider if you access a Hebrew application through Kermit, but the characters look wrong: . On 7-bit connections, "Hebrew-7" -- a 7-bit character set in which the lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters -- is generally used. Hebrew-7 codes are different from Latin/Hebrew and also from CP862. Hebrew-7 is commonly used in e-mail, in which it is difficult or impossible to transmit 8-bit text. To use Hebrew-7: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-7 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 7 . It is possible that some Israeli BBSs use Code Page 862. In this case, tell Kermit not to translate. SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 . For completeness, here are the commands to use ISO Latin/Hebrew: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-ISO SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 Before accessing the host or service, you must also choose the appropriate type of terminal emulation, one of the following (use the highest model that works): SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320 (this is the default) SET TERMINAL TYPE VT220 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT102 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 From this point, Hebrew-aware software on the remote host or service should be able to produce correctly formatted screens containing any mixture of English and Hebrew. ENTERING HEBREW CHARACTERS ON THE KEYBOARD MS-DOS Kermit acts like a Hebrew-model DEC VT terminal. Like your PC, the VT terminal has the normal number of keys; it does not have extra keys for Hebrew. Thus, some keys are "shared" between Roman and Hebrew characters. To send Hebrew letters the keyboard must be in "Hebrew mode", and to send lowercase Roman letters, the keyboard must be in "English mode". The HEBREW.INI file supplies you with commands and hot keys to switch modes: Command Hot-Key Enter Hebrew mode: HKEYS F5 Enter English mode: EKEYS F6 Use the commands (HKEYS, EKEYS) when at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt; use the hot keys (F5, F6) during terminal emulation. MS-DOS Kermit also allows the host application to change your keyboard mode automatically by sending escape sequences (the JTSA catalog application does this); see the Appendix at the end of this file. When Hebrew key mappings are in effect and you press any key to which a Hebrew code is assigned during terminal emulation, Kermit automatically translates the PC Hebrew code into the appropriate code (HEBREW-ISO or HEBREW-7 or TRANSPARENT) for the remote application, according to your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET setting. In other words, you do NOT need different key mappings for different host Hebrew character sets. HEBREW FILE TRANSFER Hebrew text-file transfer is supported only by MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit (UNIX, VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, etc), and IBM Mainframe Kermit (VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS). When transferring Hebrew text files between MS-DOS Kermit and a remote computer or service, use the following commands to ensure that the Hebrew characters are translated correctly: On the PC: On the remote computer: SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET FILE CHARACTER-SET xxx SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW xxx is the name of the Hebrew character-set on the remote host, such as HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7, or (only on IBM Mainframes) CP424. Then send and receive text files in the normal way. PRINTING All files created on your PC's disk by Kermit will record Hebrew letters in the IBM PC Hebrew code page, CP862 (provided you have set up the appropriate translation). If you have a printer that is capable of printing this character set, then all the normal printing facilities of DOS and of Kermit should work as expected: . The DOS PRINT command. . The Print Screen key in DOS or Kermit. . etc etc. NOTE: If you have an IBM printer that is capable of code-page switching, then the Hebrew fonts supplied on the Hebrew disk will probably not print correctly. In this case, you will need the real IBM Code Page 862, prepared and loaded according to the instructions on pages 126-129 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". (Sorry, I do not know how to get it -- try IBM Israel :-) If you do NOT have a printer with a Hebrew font built in, then you must use higher-level software to do the printing. Reportedly, for example, it is possible to import a plain-text CP862 file (such as Kermit would create when you save a screen) into Hebrew WordPerfect and then print it from there. ACCESSING THE ALEPH LIBRARY CATALOG APPLICATION The ALEPH system, in use throughout Israel and also at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, is designed for use by DEC VT terminals, such as those emulated by MS-DOS Kermit, and it uses the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew alphabet. The HEBREW.INI file sets everything up for you. If your PC is on a TCP/IP network and your MSCUSTOM.INI (MS-DOS Kermit customization file) is correctly set up for TCP/IP, you can telnet directly from your PC to an ALEPH host, e.g.: MS-Kermit> telnet aleph.huji.ac.il ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If your PC is not on the network, you can dial up with a modem. No matter which way you came in, you should now see the host banner and login prompt, e.g.: ********************************************************************** * The Jewish Theological Seminary of America * * VAX/VMS v.5-4 * ********************************************************************** Username: ALEPH ^^^^^ Respond to the "Username:" prompt by typing the word "aleph" and then press the Enter key. You won't need a password. Now you will see the following greeting and menu: Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.4 on node THEO Last interactive login on Tuesday, 8-FEB-1994 18:38 Last non-interactive login on Sunday, 4-JUL-1993 18:44 Terminal selection Standard (non soft font) terminals: 3. VT102 (Latin only, unless accessed using Israeli ALEPH KERMIT) 11. VT220 protocol (VT220,VT320,VT340,VT420,V603, etc. Latin only, unless terminal has Hebrew chip installed) Full Latin and SOFT FONT (Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic) standard terminals: 17. VT320 18. VT420 English/Hebrew and SOFT FONT (Arabic, Cyrillic) Israeli Hebrew chip terminals: 27. VT320 28. VT420 Select from menu : 11 ^^ Choose 11 (VT220) from the terminal-type menu. That's all there is to it. Now you should see an English menu on your screen with Hebrew writing near the top. Here's a quick demo: 1. In the menu screen, type "?/HEB" (uppercase, without the quotes) and then press the Enter key to switch to Hebrew display mode. The menu should change to all Hebrew, and your keyboard should switch automatically into Hebrew mode. 2. Now type "?/ENG" to switch back to English. Beware: Since the keyboard is in Hebrew mode while you are typing this, the slash character (/) is now mapped to lowercase "q", so to enter "?/ENG", you must type "?qENG". Notice how these characters echo when you type them. Now you should see a help screen whose left side is English and whose right side is Hebrew. 3. Now type "ENG" or "HEB" to select English or Hebrew screens. The host application automatically switches your keyboard to the appropriate mode. If you select Hebrew, the Hebrew key mappings go into effect automatically; if you select English, the English mappings are made automatically. 4. In an English screen, search for (say) authors named Singer by typing: AU/Singer In a Hebrew screen type the Hebrew author-search command, Mem-Chet-slash (njq) and the author's name in Hebrew, for example "zhbdr" (= Zade Yod Nun Gimel Resh = Zinger): njqzhbdr 5. To capture a screen, hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric keypad. This copies text on the screen to a file on your disk called KERMIT.SCN. If you do this more than once, it will keep adding new screens to the end of the KERMIT.SCN file, separating each one by a Formfeed. To get back to the main menu at any time, press the PC's F7 key. To leave ALEPH, type the word "STOP" (without the quotes) and then press the Enter key. Some Hebrew library catalogs that use the ALEPH software are: Central ALEPH Computer Telnet RAM2.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Bar-Ilan University Telnet ALEPH.BIU.AC.IL or 132.70.9.36 Ben-Gurion University Telnet BGULIB.BGU.AC.IL Haifa University Telnet LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL or 132.74.1.100 Hebrew University Telnet ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Jewish Theological Seminary Telnet JTSA.EDU Technion Telnet LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL or 132.68.1.20 Tel Aviv University Telnet TAUVAX.TAU.AC.IL or 132.66.32.6 Weizmann Institute of Science Telnet WISLIB.WEIZMANN.AC.IL or 132.76.64.14 In all cases, the username to use is ALEPH and no password is required, and in all cases you should choose "11" from the terminal-type menu. Also, please note that references to Hebrew-University Kermit are obsolete, as are the instructions for using it. All the work done at Hebrew University was incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, and upgraded to a much higher level of functionality. Please ignore the instructions about special MSKERMIT.INI files, VT102 emulation, Terminal Type 3, etc. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES IN NON-HEBREW APPLICATIONS You can use Kermit's Hebrew features to create or view plain-text documents on a CUNIX or other host computer written in Hebrew (or Yiddish?) (or Ladino?) if you keep the following points in mind: . Hebrew characters are restricted to the basic set of 22 letters and 5 final forms. . Hebrew characters are stored and transmitted left to right, even though they should be displayed right to left. . You can't mix Roman and Hebrew text in a plain-text file unless you are willing to type the Hebrew letters in reverse order (or vice-versa, depending on how the text is to be displayed). That's because non-Hebrew-aware software is not equipped to handle bidirectional text. If you are using Kermit to create or read Hebrew text on a computer that does not have Hebrew-aware software, you can tell Kermit to reverse its screen-writing direction to force characters to be written right-to-left: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION RIGHT-TO-LEFT And, of course, you can also undo this effect: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION LEFT-TO-RIGHT The HEBREW.INI file assigns these functions to F9 and F10, respectively, so you can conveniently switch direction during terminal emulation. If your connection to the host application is "8-bit clean", AND the application itself is also 8-bit clean, you can use the ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew Alphabet, which contains full upper and lowercase Roman, plus Hebrew, plus a variety of symbols. Unfortunately, very few host applications are 8-bit clean (except on VMS -- such as the JTSA Library System). EXAMPLE: Creating a Hebrew text file with the VMS EVE (EDIT/TPU) editor: 1. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to TAKE HEBREW.INI 2. Log in to the VAX. 3. EDIT/TPU . 4. Push F5 to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 5. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 6. Create/edit the file in the normal way. All the English will be displayed backwards, but the Hebrew will look right. IN THE 7-BIT ENVIRONMENT, you'll have to use the Hebrew-7 character set, in which lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters; thus only uppercase Roman letters are available. For example, to send a Hebrew e-mail message with (English) Pine: 1. Access and log in to CUNIX (don't put Kermit into Hebrew mode yet). 2. Start Pine and select COMPOSE MESSAGE. 3. Fill out the To: and Subject: fields of the message using Roman letters. 4. Move to the message body using the down-arrow or Enter key. 5. Press the F5 key to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 6. Use Alt-x to return to the MS-Kermit> prompt and enter the following commands: take hebrew.ini set terminal character-set hebrew-7 set terminal bytesize 7 connect Remember: you can abbreviate Kermit commands and keywords (but not filenames) to their minimum unique length. So the above commands could also be entered as: ta hebrew.ini set ter ch hebrew-7 set ter by 7 c 7. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 8. Type Ctrl-L (hold down Ctrl and press the L key) to refresh the screen. 9. Enter Hebrew text into the message body, referring to the keyboard map. If you must type numbers, enter the digits in reverse order. If you must type English text, enter the letters in UPPER CASE and in reverse order. 10. To send the message, type Ctrl-X (hold down Ctrl, press X). 11. To return to English mode, press F6 and F10, then Ctrl-L to refresh the screen. 12. Enter Q to quit from Pine. The person who receives your message must, of course, also be set up for the Hebrew-7 character set and right-to-left display. Remember that when the keyboard is in Hebrew mode, all Roman letters must be entered in UPPER CASE. This includes (of course) Pine commands. OTHER HOST-BASED HEBREW APPLICATIONS There is a version of the text editor EMACS, developed in Japan, called MULE (MUltiLingual EMACS), which is capable of handling Hebrew (as well as almost any other script in the world), fully accomodating mixed Hebrew and Roman (or other) scripts, and (reportedly) handling bidirectionality correctly. It works best with X terminals, but might also work in Hebrew mode with PCs running Kermit. There is a Hebrew version of the UNIX VI text editor, called vi.iv, from the Technion. There is reportedly a Hebrew version of the Pine e-mail software. EPILOG Because Hebrew text is intrinsically bidirectional (since, for example, numbers are written left-to-right, and Roman or other types of left-to-right text are often mixed in), no "plain-text" standard for Hebrew has ever emerged. Hebrew text can only be handled on a "higher" level, e.g. by applications such as the JTSA catalog, Hebrew WordPerfect, and so on. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, these higher-level applications are incompatible with each other, using different character sets and different methods for indicating and controlling directionality, not to mention other rendering and representation issues (Macintosh vs PC, font selection and style, boldface, italic, etc etc). Thus, widespread system- and application- independent interchange of Hebrew text has never been achieved. Informants in Israel tell me, for example, that Hebrew simply is not used in e-mail; everybody gets by with English. The situation with Arabic is similar, but not identical. The situation with other non-Roman alphabetic scripts, such as Cyrillic and Greek, is far better. These scripts can be handled very easily by a simple font change, and mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman or Greek and Roman letters in a plain text file poses no problems at all. Similar comments apply to other left-to-right alphabetic scripts such as Armenian, Georgian, etc. In the future, there will be a universal coded character set, ISO 10646, capable of representing all of the world's scripts in a single coding system, including both modern and ancient scripts. Presently, ISO 10646 includes only the basic Hebrew repertoire of 22 letters plus 5 final forms. An extension to this standard, proposed by the Israel Institute for Standards, will add vowel points, cantillation marks, and possibly also unique Hebrew forms of punctuation as well as Yiddish digraphs. ISO 10646 (and its precursor, Unicode, which is in most part a compatible subset of ISO 10646) will allow text to contain any mixture of scripts. But massive changes in software, data, as well as in display, printing, and data entry devices will be required, so only time will tell if ISO 10646 will achieve widespread use. APPENDIX I - EDITING FILES ON THE PC Your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are "plain text" files. The same is true of all Kermit command and initialization files. You can modify such files using the DOS EDLIN or EDIT programs. EDLIN and EDIT are documented in your DOS manual. The recommended method for editing these files is to use the DOS EDIT program. Let's suppose you want to modify your AUTOEXEC.BAT file. First, make a backup copy in case something goes wrong: cd c:\ copy autoexec.bat autoexec.bak And then start the editor: edit autoexec.bat This brings up a screen showing the file. You can move through the file with the arrow keys until you find the line you want to change, in our case the line that starts with "PATH=". Use the End key to position the cursor at the end of the "PATH=" line, then type the text you want to add, such as ";C:\KERMIT". To save the file, press Alt-f (hold down Alt, press f) to activate the File menu. Then use the down-arrow key to highlight the Save item, and then press the Enter key. To exit from EDIT, press Alt-f again, use the arrow key to highlight Exit, and press Enter. If you are using a word processing program to create or modify a DOS or Kermit command file, do not include any special effects (bold, underline, italics), and be sure to save the file in text mode. The method for doing this depends on the word processor. In Microsoft Word 5.0, for example, press the Esc key to get to the menu, press T to choose Transfer, press S to choose Save, type the filename, use the arrow keys to get to the "format" line, choose Text-Only, press Enter to save the file, and then leave the program by pressing the Esc key and then Q. In WordPerfect 5.1, use Ctrl-F5 (hold down the Ctrl key and press the F5 key) to save the file, press T to select DOS Text, 1 to Save, type the filename and press Enter, and quit from WordPerfect by pressing the F7 key. APPENDIX II - THE HEBREW KEY MAP (Note: Names of Hebrew letters are from the ISO 8859-8 Standard.) Hebrew Order Roman Order QWERTY Keyboard Order q = Slash , = Taw q = Slash w = Apostrophe . = Terminal Zade w = Apostrophe ' = Comma ' = Comma e = Qoph / = Period / = Period r = Resh t = Aleph ; = Terminal Pe t = Aleph c = Bet a = Shin y = Tet d = Gimel b = Nun u = Waw s = Dalet c = Bet i = Terminal Nun v = He d = Gimel o = Terminal Mem u = Waw e = Qoph p = Pe z = Zain f = Kaph a = Shin j = Chet g = Ayin s = Dalet y = Tet h = Yod d = Gimel h = Yod i = Terminal Nun f = Kaph l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet g = Ayin f = Kaph k = Lamed h = Yod k = Lamed l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet o = Terminal Mem m = Zade k = Lamed n = Mem n = Mem l = Terminal Kaph i = Terminal Nun o = Terminal Mem ; = Terminal Pe b = Nun p = Pe ' = Comma x = Samech q = Slash z = Zain g = Ayin r = Resh x = Samech ; = Terminal Pe s = Dalet c = Bet p = Pe t = Aleph v = He . = Terminal Zade u = Waw b = Nun m = Zade v = He n = Mem e = Qoph w = Apostrophe m = Zade r = Resh x = Samech , = Taw a = Shin y = Tet . = Terminal Zade , = Taw z = Zain / = Period If you have a PostScript printer, you can get a picture of the key map by printing the KEYMAP.PS file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. APPENDIX III - Technical Summary Hebrew terminal emulation and file transfer (version 3.13). Commands: SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7 } SET TERMINAL DIRECTION { RIGHT-TO-LEFT, LEFT-TO-RIGHT } SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP862 Terminal direction is controlled in two different ways: (1) by host- generated escape sequences (automatic, see below) and (2) by the SET TERMINAL DIRECTION command. When the writing direction is changed by escape sequences from the host, the cursor-positioning coordinate system is not changed. For example, if Kermit was in left-to-right mode and the host send ESC [ ? 34 h, position (1,1) would still be in the upper left. This is how a real Hebrew-model VT terminal works. If, however, you command Kermit into RIGHT-TO-LEFT mode, the coordinate system flips right to left so the origin (1,1) is at the upper right corner, which is useful for viewing and composing some right to left text. The host can override the user setting, and the user can later override the host setting. Hebrew character sets: . CP862 is the PC Hebrew code page, available from IBM as EGAHE.COM, or perhaps as a hardware code page on Hebrew-model PCs. Distributed on the the Kermit diskette in a public-domain form as CP862.F16, to be used with the (also public-domain) LOADFONT program. . HEBREW-ISO is the 8-bit standard ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet. . HEBREW-7 is the 7-bit Hebrew "National Replacement Character Set" (NRC), ASCII with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters, often used in e-mail. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 supports: . Automatic selection of writing direction by host escape sequence. . ISO 2022-compliant terminal character-set designation and invocation. . Hebrew keyboard mode. Hebrew-specific escape sequences recognized by the VT220 and 320 terminal emulators: ESC ) H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G1 ESC * H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G2 ESC + H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G3 ESC ( % = Designates 7-bit Hebrew NRC to G0-G3 ESC ) " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G1 ESC * " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G2 ESC + " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G3 DCS 0 ! u " 4 ST Assigns DEC supplement Hebrew as UPSS DCS 0 ! u H ST Assigns Latin/Hebrew as UPSS CSI ? 34 h Sets right-to-left screen-writing mode CSI ? 34 l Sets left-to-right screen-writing mode CSI ? 35 h Sets Hebrew keyboard mapping via Kermit macros CSI ? 35 l Sets Roman (North American) keyboard mapping, ditto CSI ? 36 h Hebrew encoding mode is 7-bit Hebrew-7 "National mode" CSI ? 36 l Hebrew encoding mode is 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew Hebrew keyboard mapping: . CSI ? 35 h invokes the macro KEYBOARDS, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Hebrew characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. . CSI ? 35 l invokes the macro KEYBOARDR, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Roman (North American) characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. NOTE: do not define KEYBOARDS without also defining KEYBOARDR to undo its effects! The various reports furnished by MS-DOS Kermit also include Hebrew-specific information, and the following host-initiated operations work in both left- to-right and right-to-left mode: Insert/Replace Mode, Autowrap, Backspace, Carriage Return, Linefeed, Formfeed, Vertical Tab, Horizontal Tab. The keyboard mapping sequences invoke the user-defined macros KEYBOARDS (h) and KEYBOARDR (l). Users should define these macros to accomplish the desired keyboard mappings with SET KEY commands. Sample mappings (those used with Hebrew WordPerfect, etc) are supplied in the HEBREW.INI file. In VT100 and VT102 mode, the following functions are supported: ESC ) 1 Enter Hebrew mode ESC ) B Exit Hebrew mode FURTHER READING 1. Your MS-DOS manual, the sections on code pages. For example, Microsoft MS-DOS Operating System Version 5.0 User's Guide and Reference (1992), Chapter 13 and the Appendix, "Keyboard Layouts and Code Pages". 2. Gianone, Christine M., "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Digital Press (1992), Chapter 13, "International Character Sets". Also, for TCP/IP setup, Chapter 16, "Kermit on Local Area Networks". 3. The files KERMIT.UPD and HEBREW\HEBREW.HLP on the MS-DOS 3.13 diskette. 4. The Hebrew character-set tables in the HEBREW directory, and the PC font material in the PCFONTS directory. 5. The Unicode Standard, Worldwide Character Encoding, Version 1.0, Volume 1, The Unicode Consortium. Addison-Wesley (1991). (End of HEBREW.DOC) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:44:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 21 Nov 1994 00:44:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, 25 minutes late... wrote: > >Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? > There are two versions of Kermit from Columbia U. that work with OS/2 WARP. First there is C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2. C-Kermit is certified by IBM as "Ready for OS/2" and "Ready for LAN Systems" C-Kermit provides vt220, vt102, vt52, and ANSI BBS terminal emulations over either serial or network connections (TCP/IP [WARP IAK], NETBIOS, NAMED PIPES, DEC LAT). Full scripting (Kermit and REXX) > 1 million line scrollback buffer Mouse cursor positioning and PM clipboard copy/paste File tranfer supporting OS/2 Extended Attributes OS/2 Long file names supported on FAT file systems and much more. ---- If you must use a VT320 or Tektronics emulation you can still use MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS Window or Full screen session. I would recommend using Ray Gwinn's Serail Fossil Drivers if you are going to use MS-DOS Kermit. MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate network card to that session. If you need more info, post again. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:52:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:52:50 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit script which prompts the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy of "the book" to arrive. Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) Thank you very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Homdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email preferred, but followups OK too) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 17:52:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:52:33 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ap5jm$km8@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hook <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1149 alt.winsock:22495 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says... > > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Many interesting projects arise from rather pointless objectives, and in this case, I believe we have the perfect example of a truly pointless objective. But, to continue this one step further (yes I know this isn't really attempting to solve the original problem), instead of trying to tie into the Winsock API, would it be feasible or even possible tie a DOS packet driver into the Windows based NDIS3 drivers (I believe MicroSoft's PPP driver is only supplied as an NDIS3 Windows based driver). It seems to me there would still be the problem of multiplexing multiple IP stacks (very undesireable). Brian A. P.S. Just trying to promote some more interesting and irrelevant discussion. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------------- /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 12:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: <1994Nov20.184340.33391@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 18:43:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hello: > > I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit > script which prompts > the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem > there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely > hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. > > There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & > experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I > am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy > of "the book" to arrive. > > Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) ----------- ask \%a prompt> prompt> if equ "\%a" "" echo The user did not provide text or if defined \%a echo The user did provide text and so on. Don't use {\%a} {} because they will parse out to empty, leaving if equ echo The ... which is not what is wanted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:39:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:39:07 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start slip going... Thanks for any help! Please if you can respond via email (micah@u.washington.edu) Micah From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:46:39 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from experienced folks? Thanks! Micah From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 22:03:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Keywords: SCO 3.2V4.2, MS-Kermit 3.13, Telnet, Interrupt, Data Mark Summary: SCO Unix sends Data Mark on interrupt. MSK 3.13 P13 displays as r. X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 22:03:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated by sending the stty interrupt character. This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:28:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:26:45 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1154 alt.winsock:22527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>>WinSock. >> >> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP >> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. >> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection >> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows >> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application >> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may >> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I >> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. >------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. ...but is similar to what is done inside TIA, if I am not mistaken. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:33:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:31:44 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1155 alt.winsock:22528 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>realistic. >>> Joe D. >> >>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. >> >>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. >> >But this doesn't address the original need. >The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a >WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection >made with Windows for Workgroups. >In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the >real packet driver for the mux to sit on. And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:46:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 06:46:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson writes: > > I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have > a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set > flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I > am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters > dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from > experienced folks? --------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 15:27:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 15:27:54 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3aqe9q$pfl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. | Joe D. Also be sure to lower the DTE rate appropriately if you're running a relatively slow computer. On my Tandy XT clone, I can't run my Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem faster than 19200, even with hardware handshaking. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 16:18:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!xchen From: xchen@liverpool.ac.uk (Prof X. Chen) Subject: Help: file transfer problem Message-Id: Sender: news@liverpool.ac.uk (News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: uxg.liv.ac.uk Organization: The University of Liverpool X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:18:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do not work at all. Could any expert out there tell me why. I use most default parameters for file transfer. WJ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:14:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:13:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid >for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger >than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, >insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness of others"... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:19:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: >I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with >kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run >slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is >because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and >figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit >but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start >slip going... > Since UNIX is a "real operating system" -- unlike, say, DOS -- processes close all open file handles when they exit. So no, you can't use C-Kermit on UNIX to open a connection and then exit and expect for it to be left open, at least not unless you configure the modem to ignore DTR, and take a few other esoteric steps, none of which are recommended as they pose distinct security risks. But there are several ways for C-Kermit to give access to its connection to other processes, which are covered mostly in section 11 of the file ckuker.bwr, which comes with C-Kermit 5A(190). These include PUSHing from C-Kermit, suspending C-Kermit, and forking (via ! or REDIRECT) other processes from C-Kermit. So read this material, and also read about the new (to edit 190) REDIRECT command in the 5A(190) ckcker.upd file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 03:00:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: winsock, ndis, sundry Message-Id: <1994Nov21.090047.33443@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 09:00:47 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe the last of the winsock discussion here. Just so we are clear on things. Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. We say again, pure Windows programs. And, I am unaware of any winsock implementation yet smart enough to get the heck off the hardware when the last close occurs. They all want to sit and occupy space and attachments whether used or not (not to mention complaining bitterly if one of their friends isn't ready when Windows starts). That puts these things in the category of TSRs rather than upon-demand programs. I think the industry has a step to go yet to clean up this act. NDIS 3 shims. Be my guest. First you need to decode NDIS 2, and then the tangle constituting NDIS 3. Splitting MS-DOS Kermit into pieces. Won't happen, please forget about the concept. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 01:43:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:24:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:31:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 07:43:13 MDT References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) writes: > When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines > (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no > obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA > Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace > shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. > > This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated > by sending the stty interrupt character. > > This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from > being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the > backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It > doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. > > ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -------- Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed both bytes. If you are still reading along, the way I understand this situation is the SCO machine was trying to flush bytes sent to the MSK client, by sending IAC DMARK in a TCP segment with the TCP URGENT bit set. The recepient is supposed to discard all data up to and including the IAC DMARK. Folks have commented upon this less than clear or desirable "feature" of Telnet, and Kermit does not play that game. Just how much discarding should occur is ambiguous, and I chose not to chase down internal buffers to do the flush. In any case, the commands are really intended to be sent to servers where a job may be blocked unable to read the data stream for the Interrupt Process command pair IAC IP or similar; they ought not be sent to clients. If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:27:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aql94$7ar@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: > >I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have >a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set >flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I >am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters >dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from >experienced folks? > Modem configuration is always a pain, especially with the newer modems. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit, you can get a Zyxel dialing script for it that sets up the modem and Kermit for optimal performance. This script comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, available via anonymous ftp to host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. Then just tell Kermit to "set modem zyxel" and DIAL. Remember this is still a beta version; report any problems via e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:31:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Prof X. Chen wrote: >I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University >Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download >files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files >to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do >not work at all. > This type of question is answered clearly and at length in the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major items to be considered: 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed, lock your modem at that speed, and also enable its error-correction and data compression features. 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means thereof, such as RTS/CTS. 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is *receiving* the file to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever other number works best). 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to "set window 4" (or other number). 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Items 1 and 2 are handled automatically by the dialing scripts for high-speed modems that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Items 3-5 require some experimentation to obtain the maximum transfer rate possible on any given connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 18:11:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:28:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:27:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Date: 21 Nov 1994 18:11:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3aqnsc$ohs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: >Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >versions of Kermit have this already? There are a lot of nifty frog pictures on the World Wide Web. A good source is Sandra Loosemore's Froggy Page http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/loosemore-sandra/froggy.html I've converted one of her drawings to a decent Kermit icon which you can access from my (under construction) kermit page: http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~zinzow/kermit.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 21:07:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:07:34 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In VMS you can "exit" C-Kermit and keep the modem allocated. I use the VMS ALLOCATE command and then go into Kermit and exit, then go into Kermit again and when I'm done I DEALLOCATE. Works like a charm and is extremely useful for my particular application (queuing files to send to various "nodes" but keeping the connection up in case the next file queued is for the same node!). Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 22:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta 14 ready for testing Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:24:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ar6m0$jmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-14 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Monday, 21 November 1994, 5:00pm EST: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-12 ( there was no Beta-13 :-) include: 1. Final touches added to SET CARRIER detection for rapid reaction. 2. Found and fixed the recent slowdown for real serial ports (too long a delay when waiting for the UART transmitter to become free). ZIP-file throughput dropped to 600-700 file characters per second, rather than the usual 1600 or so with a 14,400 bps modem (when Kermit protocol is tuned for peak performance and you have a buffered UART, etc). 3. Added new built-in DIAL command. This looks for a macro of the same name (such as the one defined in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file), and executes it with the given phone number as its argument(s). If no DIAL macro is defined then a simple internal macro named __DIAL is run instead. This allows at least some form of dialing to be done under program control even when KERMIT.EXE is run "bare" with no macros defined. The only assumption made by the built-in DIAL macro is that ATD is the dialing command. See (the new) section 1.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details. 4. Cured a bug when "\FOOBAR" or other word beginning with \F (upper or lower case), but not one of the \function()s, occurs in certain commands, especially in SET PROMPT. 5. Fixed a bug in sending packets over a seven bit channel with locking shifts active. A packet could be one byte longer than a "regular" one and be sent in long packet format by mistake. 6. Fixed a bug in packet capabilities fields which could prevent a client from requesting file type Binary automatically. 7. Minor fixes to Cyrillic .INI files, addition of a SHORTKOI.TBL file. Still more thanks to Joe Doupnik for his continuing work on this project and his responsiveness to beta testing reports. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. Let's give this one a good workout in hopes that it might be the final Beta! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 04:54:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 10:54:30 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1168 alt.winsock:22603 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) writes: > In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>>realistic. >>>> Joe D. > And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the > TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality > shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a > packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver > for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. ----------- Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 03:26:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!vkwan From: vkwan@dorsai.org (Vito Kwan) Subject: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Message-Id: Organization: The Dorsai Embassy - New York X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:26:02 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. Could someone please give me some hints? Thanks in advance. V. Kwan vkwan@dorsai.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:36:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!black.clarku.edu!kdesai From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai) Subject: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Message-Id: Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) Date: 22 Nov 94 02:36:43 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file should have one line. KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I normally start KERMIT again and now I am at MS-KERMIT> prompt and can do file transfers. I am sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but no avail. Any help is welcome. Kamal Desai Clark Univ. Worcester, MA 01610. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:12:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 22 Nov 1994 01:12:33 -0500 Organization: ncsc Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3as24h$q76@romulus.ncsc.mil> References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.ncsc.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [...] >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... If whoever provides one would be kind enough to post when it's available, I'd appreciate it. I'd rebuild it myself, having gcc and most other goodies, but the one goody I don't have right now is enough disk space :-( -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:56:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!vms.huji.ac.il!marder.agri.huji.ac.il!MARDER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: From: MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il (Jonathan B. Marder) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:56:35 GMT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: marder.agri.huji.ac.il X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >Subject: Re: kermit icon >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT >In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU >(David Anthony Sexton) writes: >> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >> versions of Kermit have this already? >> Dave. >--------- > Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe >you want to create your own. > Joe D. For what it's worth, here's my own icon ... __ Jonathan B. 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Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:00:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Jeffrey Altman writes: > MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities > do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate > network card to that session. Not entirely true, there are ways to use MS-Kermit's network capabilities. For example, I run multiple MS-Kermit sessions with NVT (Netware Virtual Terminal) over a global IPX/ODI stack on OS/2, talking to a SCO Unix host that's running an SPX/IPX stack. :-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:23:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 02:23:56 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> In article , Prof X. Chen Frank> wrote: >> I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and >> University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is >> ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, >> if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes >> very very slow and often do not work at all. >> Frank> This type of question is answered clearly and at length in Frank> the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major Frank> items to be considered: Frank> 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed,....... Frank> 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means...... Frank> 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is...... Frank> 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to........ Frank> 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update Frank> notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit Frank> and MS-DOS Kermit. I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor in my host side (only work in ASCII file). From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 19:45:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:45:23 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? any ideas? Joe From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:24:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:24:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >... >I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems >using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit >is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, >pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. >Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? > Because of billions of dollars of investment in the installed base of communications equipment, and even in some cases, operating systems. Let's be specific about exactly which Kermit software and which versions of it we are talking about. Released versions of Kermit software *do* *work* in both the 7-bit and 8-bit environments. There was a problem with a couple of the Beta edits of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, but that's Beta software, not released software. The current Beta (14) should not have any problems. Leaving Betas aside for a moment, the standard method for transferring files -- any kind of files -- over a 7-bit connection with Kermit is to tell *both* Kermit programs to: SET PARITY EVEN (or ODD, or MARK, or SPACE). When Kermit's parity is set to anything other than NONE, this enables -- in fact, forces -- 7-bit transfers, meaning that 8-bit data gets encoded in a special 7-bit form that can pass through the 7-bit connection. This should always work. In practice, it is usually only necessary to tell the file *sender* to "set parity ", because then it will tell the receiver. Newer Kermit versions (1990's vintage) will also detect even, odd, or mark parity automatically, even if you don't give a "set parity" command. But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server connections, etc. So to be safe, give a "set parity" command to both Kermit programs. Finally, don't expect this to work with non-Columbia Kermit implementations. In my experience, few of the shareware or commercial packages get this stuff right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:31:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:32:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:31:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:31:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3asvcr$qfg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), >I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same >setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many >retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I >need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the >file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor >in my host side (only work in ASCII file). > This is not Kermit's fault. You should be thankful that Kermit lets you adjust these parameters to make the file transfer work at all. Why is this happening? It's hard to say without more information, but the most likely culprit is a lack of buffer capacity in the "upstream" direction, coupled with a lack of effective flow control -- a fatal combination, and a common one. Many communications processors (terminal servers, front ends, host console drivers) are designed on the assumption that traffic *to* the host consists of nothing but keystrokes -- which hardly anybody can produce at more than about ten per second (= 100 bps) -- whereas traffic in the downstream direction is voluminous -- file listings, etc. So they have big output buffers and tiny input buffers. To compound the problem, some communications processors take this assumption one step further and do not even provide flow control in the upstream direction, because they figure they will never need it. A well-known example is the Cisco ASM series of terminal servers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:40:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:40:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3asvte$r9j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kamalkumar R. Desai wrote: >I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have >written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects >types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would >like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file >should have one line. > >KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK > >That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me >to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape >sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I am >sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I >looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but >no avail. > Actually, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Look on page 202, section Command Line Invocation: Several commands may be given on the command line, separated by commas. ... MS-DOS Kermit will exit back to DOS after completing the specified commands unless you include the STAY commaand on the command line: C> kermit connect, stay (end quote). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3at022$rfc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vito Kwan wrote: >I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a >phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. >Could someone please give me some hints? > Read the chapter on script programming in the manual? Use any of the standard dialing scripts, which already do this? Once again, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 15:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:49:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:48:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!interactive.net!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:53:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3at46e$nse@blackice.winternet.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kevin Anthony Stanchfield (kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu) wrote: : I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through : a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly : is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even : after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to : 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on : port 2. Can someone help? : Thank You. VMS C-Kermit ignores the binary request for certain file types. To force it to transfer the file as binary, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 17:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!stein-c From: stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu Reply-To: stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu Organization: SUNY at Buffalo CFD Lab References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:59:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... > I will be more than happy to biuld 5A(190) for the 7300. I have the stock compilers, and will leave most of the options in. How would I go about submitting this to the archive? -Craig -- Craig Steinberger stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab http://cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu/~stein-c/craig.html send email with subject "PGPKEY" for PGP public key From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:36:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!lacko From: lacko@enh.nist.gov (Tom Lacko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for screen dump capability in Kermit 3.12 DOS Date: 22 NOV 94 22:36:21 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 7 Message-Id: <22NOV94.22362199@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know of a screen dump utility (freeware, shareware, etc.) that I can use with Kermit 3.12? Thank you! Tom Lacko lacko@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:35:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 22:35:41 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this version because of the new features and added network support. However, the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes are thus: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, it works in 3.11 version. 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem 4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not getting to the PC. WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. -Darren G. Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 18:24:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:24:19 +0000 Message-Id: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 23:35:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 18:35:16 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3atv7k$kp3@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: :We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy :facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this :version because of the new features and added network support. However, :the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes :are thus: : : 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. : : 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. : : 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. : : 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :it works in 3.11 version. : : 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :getting to the PC. : :WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers :to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the :answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so :iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... 1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or do you have a macro handle all of this? 2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... 3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your mscustom.ini after upgrading? 4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do ``one-sided'' file transfers. 5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. Hope this helped a little. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 23:03:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 21 Nov 94 18:03:40 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or some graphical character set - I'm not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 03:37:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!ftlofaro From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 03:37:06 GMT Organization: University of Nevada, Las Vegas Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: big-twist.cs.unlv.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the communications port then. I know how to do the ioctl's and the break checking, but it is hard to find exactly what file and function I need to add my code to. Just going by the file names and grepping for ioctl isn't as useful as I had hoped. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:25:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:25:50 MDT References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: > I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol > converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch > character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone > and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or > some graphical character set - I m not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to > restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from > ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to > make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm > willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with > our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. --------- Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the item, or get your phone line fixed. I can't assist with your mainframe terminal facilties vis VT320's so I wish you luck with that end. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:28:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222848.33621@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:28:48 MDT References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais.cais.com () writes: > We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy > facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this > version because of the new features and added network support. However, > the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes > are thus:
> WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers > to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the > answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so > iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. > > -Darren G. Pifer > Code 431 - NAVMASSO > Phone: (804) 523-8098 > E-mail: pifer@cais.com --------------- I very seriously doubt that Columbia turned a deaf ear. Maybe a little personality clash or things just got lost in the shuffle? As the author of MSK please send me more details directly and I will see if we can understand some of them. jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 12:23:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fin and stat Date: 23 Nov 1994 12:23:15 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3avc7j$ocs@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: old feature appears again? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) under SunOS 4.0.2 and have noted what seems to be the re-appearance of an old "feature" - entering "stat" after "fin" gives the results for the "finish" instead of the last file(s). I remember this being noted as a bug years ago but it was then fixed in, I think, (179). It's not the most serious of problems but, if I haven't missed something, I thought that it was worth pointing out. Ralphe Neill From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:08:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 22 Nov 94 22:02:04 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 45 Message-Id: <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1192 alt.winsock:22840 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many > coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms > level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed > retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal > TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently > encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). > Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. > MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with > them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were > winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. > So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last > close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. > Joe D. I can use Trumpet Winsock (version 1, beta 6) and MS-Kermit, but not at the same time, and I can switch back and forth using either one, one at a time. I use WINPKT+ODITRPKT+ODI drivers. A guy from New Zealand says that he is able to use Winsock and KA9Q at the same time without stopping the other one. He is even using the same IP address for both of them! He uses PKTMUX. I think that XFS is a hack which allows you to have NFS and Winsock simultaneously. Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, and both stacks having the same IP number? I see the following problems: Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, do you hear? When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? Can these problems be circumvented? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:09:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:09:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3avpf3$hl8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu>, Frank Lofaro wrote: >Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? > >I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty >it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit >detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the >communications port then. > Although you did not say so, I assume you are talking about C-Kermit. C-Kermit is a software program that runs on literally hundreds of different platforms, and I am responsible for it, so you should probably contact me directly. Locally hacked versions of C-Kermit are discouraged, as a matter of self-preservation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:16:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:16:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3avptj$ila@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix >boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a >problem (using make iclsys5r4). > Running which version of UNIX? (I'd like to confirm that it works on DRS/NX System V R4.2.) >The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what >unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release >4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". > This is a new one on me. Maybe you could send me the compilation log directory (don't post it to the newsgroup). There is a makefile entry for Nixdorf Targon/31 with an operating system called TOS, which is based on System V R3, but that is probably not the same thing. But it is a pretty generic SVR3 version so it might be worth a try. In any case, please let's continue this offline. If anybody else has some feedback about the ICL and/or Nixdorf C-Kermit versions, please come forward. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:31:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:31:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3avqoc$jv2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: >We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy >facility... >WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers >to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. > We get about 500 tech support requests per day by phone, email, and postal mail. We try to handle all of them. We do not deliberately ignore any queries or requests for help. We do not turn a deaf ear, but (as Joe said) items sometimes do get lost in the shuffle, because sometimes we are overwhelmed by the sheer volume. If features are broken, we want to fix them. If features are poorly documented, we want to improve the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:46:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3avrm3$lck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, >rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: >> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol >> converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to >> switch character sets on me. >Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character >sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where >these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the time... > It is a fundamental limitation of terminal/host communication that noise can be generated on the communication channel that looks to the terminal exactly like a legitimate control function. Control functions can do anything at all -- not just switch character sets. You can avoid this situation by setting up an error-corrected terminal session via SLIP, or making a network connection instead of a serial connection, etc. You can minimize (but no eliminate) the risks of this on a dialup connection by using an error-correcting modem and hardware flow control. When you can't avoid a noisy connection, and you only care about ASCII characters (i.e. you don't ever want to see accented letters, etc), then you can designate ASCII to all four of Kermit's terminal character-set tables as follows: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET ASCII G0 G1 G2 G3 Consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Appendix II, "Terminal Character Set Terminology and Mechanics", pp.289-290, for details. For further details, read ISO standards 4873 and 2022, or a VT220 or VT320 Programmer Reference Manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:28:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:28:07 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1197 alt.winsock:22862 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote: % Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, % and both stacks having the same IP number? Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! % I see the following problems: % Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? % How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe % add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible % on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of % course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, % do you hear? % When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate % check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? % Can these problems be circumvented? I am not competent to answer these questions, but we don't have any problems of this kind. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 11:19:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!muster!news From: Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de (Johannes Becker) Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Sender: news@muster.hrz.uni-giessen.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:19:05 GMT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: HRZ Uni Giessen X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1198 alt.winsock:22872 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. Hello, there4s a program called COMt around, that redirects MS-Windows calls to COM-Ports to the internet. Microsoft4s tcpip32 winsockets for Windows for Workgroups come with DOS-programs like ping, that are redirected to the tcpip32 winsockets. Could any programmer put these things together to build the above mentioned shim? Johannes From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 17:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais2.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:00:44 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > >: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on >:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. >: >: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. >: >: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. >: >: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals >:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, >:it works in 3.11 version. >: >: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem >:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not >:getting to the PC. >: >Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... > >1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and > changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or > do you have a macro handle all of this? I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, ie. tput init That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' status line back. This worked in V3.13. >2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. >3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you > sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your > mscustom.ini after upgrading? There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. >4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > ``one-sided'' file transfers. I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? >5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. >Hope this helped a little. > Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Darren G. Pifer NAVMASSO - Code 431 Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 06:29:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.122910.33675@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 12:29:10 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > > I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the client rather than sending long strings from the host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.150438.33689@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 15:04:38 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: > :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. > :>: > :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals > :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, > :>:it works in 3.11 version. > :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here > :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of > :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so > :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Rollback 0 has always meant, and continues to mean, no rollback screens. > Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can > remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a > sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want > to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says > the same thing. > > :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > : > :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > > Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: > > define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive > define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- > if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- > set delay 1, apc receive,- > if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name > else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name > > Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think > that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't > send and out. ------------- Both. MSK 3.14 has command APC to send to a host, in addition to VTxxx reception of them. Thanks Jerry, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 01:53:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:53:48 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com wrote: >I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how >to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that >same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not >have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of >such? I can help with this one (since I've used both apc and terminalR/ terminalS). There's nothing to set up on the PC side with apc, no terminalR or terminalS macros. That's the idea-- apc is more flexible. You just have the host Kermit execute 'apc comma, separated,list,of,commands', and this list will be sent to the PC, which will execute them as though they were a comma separated list of commands in a macro definition. The PC Kermit automatically goes to command mode when it recieves an apc, and automatically returns to terminal mode after it finishes executing the commands. The only thing that you may want to set on your PC is the 'terminal apc' variable. Default is 'on', which enables "safe" commands. If you want your apc to include delete, run (shell to DOS), or other "unsafe" commands, you need to 'set terminal apc unchecked' first. This itself can be done from the host, with a separate apc command. Note that terminal apc should be reset back to 'on' as soon as possible. The apc from the host can also instruct your PC to execute a macro or take file you want something. One last little note: If you want a backslash sent in an apc command (eg. directory specifications) from a Unix host, it seems to be necessary to escape it with a second one, or it isn't sent. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 05:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:04:30 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos (darkstar@chopin.udel.edu) wrote: >Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think >that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't >send and out. Quickly checking kermit.hlp for 3.13, this seems to be the case. This is probably because if you want to control the host Kermit from the PC end, you put the host Kermit in server mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:51:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!kastanchfiel From: kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 23 Nov 94 22:51:28 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pinto.is.csupomona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, 7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14,... What else it there? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 11:03:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!alun From: alun@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alun Jenkins) Subject: DPS 6 kermit ! Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:03:16 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello!, I have the doubtful honour of trying to get DPS 6 kermit working Unfortunatly i dont have a C compiler can any one help Im running GCOS V2.0 Alun Jenkins -- Alun G Jenkins Tech Support OSICOM UK ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fanatic Viper 3.20 Bic Allegro 2.7 Mosquito 2.55 Neil Pryde 3.5 4.5 5.5 Twin cam ST From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 19:30:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:30:19 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 101 Message-Id: <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) :> :>: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. :>: :>: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. :>: :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. :>: :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :>:it works in 3.11 version. :>: :>: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :>:getting to the PC. :>: :>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... :> :>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and :> changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or :> do you have a macro handle all of this? : :I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears :to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, : :ie. tput init : :That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' :status line back. This worked in V3.13. Okay, what's probably happening is that tput is trying to (and succeeding at reinitializing your screen). What you want to do is tell tput to set the information for the host and just reset the terminal (thus you're assuming everything on the terminal is fine--which it should be). So, just use the ``tput reset'' command in your .login. The ``reset'' argument tells it to just reset the terminal instead of reinitializing it... :>2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... : :I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN :is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. :I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. : :>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you :> sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your :> mscustom.ini after upgrading? : :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says the same thing. :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. : :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set delay 1, apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't send and out. :>5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. : :I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. : :>Hope this helped a little. :> :Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Glad to be of help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >3.14,... What else it there? > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" or thereabouts. Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 15:27:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!seguin!regie From: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca (Regis Houde) Subject: Xmodem with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Organization: IREQ - Hydro-Quebec Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:27:59 GMT Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a trivial question but... I want to download a file from Unix to a BBS using Xmodem. I don't have control over the protocol/software used by the BBS machine. Here is what I did (and it didn't work...) ------- Kermit session ------ set modem hayes set line /dev/cua1 set file type binary set speed 9600 dial BBS_NUMBER connect % Here I placed the BBS software in the recieve mode % % I tried run xmodem -sbk my_file % And !xmodem -sbk my_file ------- End of Kermit session ------ What am I doing wrong? If someone know how to do it using tip, I'll appreciate too. Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------- Regis Houde regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec regie@ireq-robot.uucp 1800, montee Sainte-Julie (514) 652-8107 Varennes, Que., Canada J3X 1S1 FAX : (514) 652-1316 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:12:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!yar.trincoll.edu!nmiller From: nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:12:11 GMT Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.cc.trincoll.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 17:19:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 24 Nov 1994 17:19:14 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 73 Message-Id: <3b2hui$4ih@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1210 alt.winsock:23017 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I (leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote: % Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock % simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is % supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! And I was asked by email for details of the setup we use. In case anyone else is interested: If running over packet drivers I load the following before starting Windows. I use 3 pktdrv's (I had some problems with only 2, though that should have been enough, 1 for Kermit & 1 for Winsock) rmftpat2 0x78 [ packet driver for my ethernet card ] pktmux /i 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv This is the odi solution we use when we also want to connect to a NetWare server: lsl rmodiat2 [ this is odi driver for my ethernet card ] odipkt 1 0x78 pktmux 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv [then NetWare stuff] ipxodi netx login And in my net.cfg I have: Link Support Max Stacks 8 buffers 8 1600 MemPool 4096 Link Driver rmodiat2 Frame Ethernet_802.3 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 ; I have no idea if I need this next chunk but it works so I leave it in Protocol TCPIP tcp_sockets 8 udp_sockets 8 raw_sockets 1 nb_sessions 4 nb_commands 8 nb_adapter 0 nb_domain show dots = on long machine type = RM_PC file handles = 80 get local target stacks = 10 spx = 20 preferred server = CS06 Then I run Windows. Both Kermit and Winsock are in my path. Both get their IP configuration info from a bootp server running on a unix box. Hope this helps, Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 08:14:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:18 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:14:08 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and outputs it to the active com port. The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original text from the file. For example, an 'output aaa\97128bbb' will generate 'aaa\97128bbb' while 'output aaa\47122bbb' generates two strange characters sandwiched between 'aaa' and 'bbb'. Is there any way of disabling the \ translation feature temporarily in a script? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:12:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:12:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and >outputs it to the active com port. > Using which Kermit program, and what version? When commenting on the behavior of a software program, it is always a good idea to say which program it is, and which version of it. >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation >feature temporarily in a script? > Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you should be able to do something like this: read \%a output \fcontents(\%a) By the way, a similar kind of problem occurs whenever you need to refer to DOS-like pathnames in a Kermit script. The solutions are the same. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 04:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:13:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov24.105425.33738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 10:54:25 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) writes: > Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running > and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in > hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. > > The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble > using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, Look at COMSPEC= in your Environment and see "...\4dos.com" which means binary four to Kermit. Had 4dos.com been named fourdos.com there would have been no problem. Joe D. > however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, > MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:23:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit WWW Home Page Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3b2lm7$nsc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Infobahn surfers, a first cut at a home page for Kermit. The URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/~kermit/ Comments welcome, via email to kermit@columbia.edu -- please let's not clog the newsgroup with discussions about home-page and HTML trivia. I'd appreciate having pointers to this new home page added to home pages in other locations. And yes, I know there are no pictures of frogs. That is on purpose; please don't bother sending frog pictures. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 10:12:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Message-Id: <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 15:12:13 CDT References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, > Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >>SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >>And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >>3.14,... What else it there? >> > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" > or thereabouts. > > Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. > > The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure > this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. > > Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then > tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG > file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. > > - Frank Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. Good luck. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:26:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3b33v1$89m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wrote: >Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm >posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit >will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with >retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. > Right. Of course, if the load on one or both systems is hideously high, or the network is horribly congested, then Kermit can time out before the expected packet comes, even though it would have come eventually. Here again, the user has control. The solution is to increase the timeout interval, rather than the retry limit. The trick is to avoid unnecessary retransmissions, not to increase the number of them. The command is "set receive timeout", which should be given to both Kermit programs in advance of the transfer, for example: set receive timeout 20 to increase the timeout interval from the default 5 seconds to 20 seconds. If you know the connection is good, but very slow, you can use "set receive timeout 0", meaning wait forever for each packet, and don't time out. For greater detail, see the Command Summary section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 01:31:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 01:31:37 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I need it to do. I'm confused. I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Thanks for your help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com (Internet Direct, Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:34:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Summary: Problem seems to be DM sequence split across segments. Cc: jrd@cc.usu.edu X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 76 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 22:34:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785741645snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen >an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the >high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as >IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed >both bytes. ..... > If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. The original log I had was just the ALT Z screen from NCSA telnet. However, I have now done a trace with KA9Q (I couldn't get the packet driver trace to log anything, although it has worked before - possibly something to do with using ODIPKT now?). There is no kermit involvement in the tracing process. It appears that the data mark is being split between two segments, which appears to me to be a legitimate, although perverse, interpretation of RFC 854. In the following, one delete, the default interrupt character, is entered at the login prompt. I have the kermit option negotiation trace, and the full KA9Q trace, but it seems to me that the options are irrelevant. I've pruned the data from ACKs. Using the login sequence as an example was to reduce the length of the trace. The symptom is easily repeatable. (It's even repeatable on new versions of KEATERM, but not older ones!!!) [ A fuller trace has been sent to JRD ] Thu Nov 24 12:51:30 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 63 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 47 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a5f Ack x2163e01f ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 7 0030 10 00 69 f0 00 00 6c 6f 67 69 6e 3a 20 00 4e ..ip..login: .N >>>>> ACK Backspace and echo sent by mistake. Thu Nov 24 12:51:38 1994 - et0 rec >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 sent: Ether: len 55 00:00:c0:2d:5f:81->00:80:0f:66:bd:8c type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.73->193.130.6.37 ihl 20 ttl 63 prot TCP TCP: 1024->23 Seq x2163e020 Ack xa4559a67 ACK PSH Wnd 11680 Data 1 0030 2d a0 2f 60 00 00 7f - /`... ========================^^=============================================DEL Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a67 Ack x2163e021 URG ACK PSH Wnd 4096 UP x1 Data 1 ==========================================^^^ 0030 10 00 cc dd 00 01 ff 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..L].... ========================^^=============================================IAC <<<<< ACK >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a68 Ack x2163e021 ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 1 0030 10 00 d9 fd 00 00 f2 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..Y}..r. ========================^^===============================================DM >>>>> ACK -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 03:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: <1994Nov25.094509.33775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 94 09:45:09 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, > I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. > I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to > worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I > need it to do. I'm confused. > > I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with > the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection > to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this > intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal > servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. > > 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what > _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? It is not a client option. It is how the other side may choose to hand out IP addresses to clients. SLIP has no provision to supply this via a protocol transfer so you may need to read it off the screen or similar. Dynamic in this case means drawn from a pool of IP addresses on some server machine. Cicso terminal servers support bootp over SLIP and that will provide the information. I have no idea about other host connections. > 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it > seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver > for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? See above. PPP can do the same. However, there is no formal way of transferring that information to the overlying TCP/IP protocol stack. Each vendor has different methods (if any). MS-DOS Kermit can obtain that information from the DOS Environment and from Novell's NET.CFG file for the case of Telebit PPP drivers. Bootp may or may not work in your environment. > If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really > understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider > can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They > only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Then you need a better service provider. Winsock means TCP/IP stack, Windows or not, and thus the problem is exactly the same for DOS and Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 00:03:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 00:03:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should have a professional look, and should suggest Kermit's use as a communications program (with perhaps a hint at its networking, graphics, and/or international character-set capabilities, and/or speed and flexibility, etc). No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any other kind of animal, puppet, or cartoon character, although graphical puns (not too obscure) on "3.14" might not be ruled out(*). Judging and selection will be arbitrary and capricious. The winner will get full credit in the KERMIT\WINDOWS\READ.ME file. - Frank (*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 03:33:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Character-set stories needed Date: 26 Nov 1994 03:33:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3b6aai$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit News, Character Sets Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Kermit News #6, due out soon(er or later), we'd like to collect some stories, testimonials, quotes, and/or evidence of the usefulness of the character-set conversion capabilities found in MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit. If you are using these capabilities in terminal connection / emulation (i.e. CONNECT mode) or in text-mode file transfer, please drop a note via email to kermit@columbia.edu and let us know. We'd like to hear from everybody, but we'd especially like to hear from people in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union about the Latin-2 and Cyrillic capabilities, since we have received, until now, so little feedback on these: how do people in the Czech Republic or Poland or Hungary deal with the incompatibility of Code Page 852 and ISO Latin-2 in their data communications if not with Kermit? How do Russians, Bielorussians, Ukranians, and Bulgarians convert among the KOI8, Short KOI, ISO Latin/Cyrillic, DKOI, etc, encodings for Cyrillic text if not with Kermit? We know, for example, that Russian newsgroups are in KOI8, but Russian PCs use "Alternative Cyrillic" a.k.a. CP866 -- MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit handle this fine, although the complete package -- fonts, keyboard drivers, complete mappings, etc -- was not included in the basic package until version 3.14. What about Poland -- I see there are some pl.* Polish newsgroups, but I can't get access to them from here. What character sets are used, etc? But like I said, more commonplace stories are welcome too, from Western Europe, Latin America, Canada -- anywhere. Japan and Israel are pretty well covered, but if are using Kermit's Hebrew and Kanji capabilities and we haven't heard from you, feel free to jump in! And if you have any other Amazing Stories involving Kermit software, send them in too -- get published! Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 02:54:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 02:54:11 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : Antonio Querubin wrote: : >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and : >outputs it to the active com port. : > : Using which Kermit program, and what version? Kermit 3.14, latest beta downloaded today. : >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ : >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port : >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original : >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation : >feature temporarily in a script? : > : Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in : both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you : should be able to do something like this: : read \%a : output \fcontents(\%a) Actually I have something like this in a loop: read \%l output \Fcontents(\%l)\13 and the file contains: 94BQ011XXX UAR\47122 OSAN AB 94BQ011XXX UAR\47142 TAEGU The \47122 and \47142 get sent as two control characters. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 10:40:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!atmos.met.utah.edu!jgmiles From: "John G. Miles" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 03:40:44 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 34 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: atmos.met.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu In-Reply-To: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed without problem. However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've tried has been unsuccessful. Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as often as I'd like). --John Miles jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 09:17:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:17:41 +0000 Message-Id: <785755061snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 15:45:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 10:45:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b7l7b$l6d@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : :Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should [stuff deleted] :No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any [stuff deleted] So the no frog rule, is this because we want kermit to appears more ``professional'' or is it to avoid and form of lawsuit (or both)? :(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit : will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Isn't this the naming scheme that all of us TeX/LaTeX users have grown to love when it comes to Knuth's TeX engine. Hey, couldn't hurt here too! 8) --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 20:10:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 20:10:39 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. (etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, patch level 17, and do this: MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... Unable to contact the host. The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. ?Cannot start the connection. MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host indirect.com ... trying name indirect.com Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com ?Cannot start the connection MS-Kermit> I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 02:08:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Date: 27 Nov 1994 02:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3b8pmk$kgn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. >(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to >my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit >3.13, patch level 17, and do this: > >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... > > Unable to contact the host. > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. >?Cannot start the connection. >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host indirect.com ... > trying name indirect.com > Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 > Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com >?Cannot start the connection >MS-Kermit> > >I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not >possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is >possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? > >Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. ------------------ PPP is, um, a Point to Point protocol. Only two stations on such links, this one and the other one. Thus the only way off the wire is through the "other one." This in turn implies two important things: 1. ARP doesn't work or even apply because that's a physical layer broadcast to obtain the physical address of other stations on the wire (having the same IP "network" number but different IP "host" numbers). 2. All, and that means ALL, stations are reached via the "other one", and hence the "other one" is the IP Gateway for all outbound traffic. 2 corollary. The IP network is confined to two stations, us and the "other end." Thus the wire can hold 165.247.1.us and 165.247.1.them and that's it. All other stations must be on a different IP network number and reached via the "other end" as a gateway. This includes name servers etc. The "other end" must be prepared as an IP router, or else you will need to log into the other end and create a Telnet session there which goes onward. I'm happy to hear that you got the Merit PPP driver to work at all. It hangs my machine during its startup every time I'm tried it, well before Kermit is started. I have no idea of what's inside that serial driver or how it really represents itself to programs (it hangs my machine...). So, I suggest you talk with your service provider about IP numbers of your link and tell Kermit about the gateway IP number and proper subnet mask. Nameservers can be anywhere in the world. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 17:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: HP95 Kermit Date: 27 Nov 1994 17:21:08 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3baf64$iah@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.palmtops:19572 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Hajo Brunne wrote: |i want to use kermit for filetransfer from HP to unix (ckermit) | |I run ckermit on unix in server mode, but i can not send multiple |files (c:\_dat\*.txt or something like that), the send command |in the HP built in option will not allow me to select more than one |file. | |The other way starting HP95LX kermit in server mode and trying to |get more than one file by a get command from ckermit fails also | |i.e get c:\123\*.wk1 results in an error: | |File does not exist! | |Transfering one file only or using wildcards in c:\ |(i.e. get c:\*.*) works fine! Is HP's Software buggy? Seeing as how the HP95 is essentially an XT-compatible computer, I would download MS-Kermit 3.13 from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit. Lean, fast program; rock-solid terminal emulation and (more importantly) the definitive implementation of the Kermit protocol. I've crossposted this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for more info. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 19:53:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!jupiter!cselkin From: cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu (Carl Selkin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: delete Date: 27 Nov 1994 19:53:03 GMT Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3bao2v$knf@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.calstatela.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cant seem to delete in vt100 emulation. When I hook up, I can delete letters, but after the link is established I cannot delete. Can anyone help me? -- -Eli Selkin C/O Carl Selkin Acting Dean of the School of Arts and Letters Please Respond to me (e-MAIL ADDRESS ): cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 07:59:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulxho!VDK From: vdk%rulxho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Peter - INL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 07:59:27 GMT Organization: Institute for Dutch Lexicology Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Reply-To: VDK@RULXHO.LeidenUniv.NL Nntp-Posting-Host: rulxho.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit people, I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? FYI: MS-Kermit 3.13, patch level 12 Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) Parity: none, databits: 8, one stopbit MS-DOS 6.0 Computer: Compaq Contura 4/25 Hope someone can put a light on this problem. Thanks! Peter van der Kamp vdk@rulxho.leidenuniv.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 11:40:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!news From: Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 11:40:02 GMT Organization: Eu-Log-System Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help ... Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the filed ?? Any comment is appreciated. Thanks's in advance, Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:22:34 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bcliq$k76@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John G. Miles (jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu) wrote: : Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using : MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the : university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics : graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) : to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed : without problem. : However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I : prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my : graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the : tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an : IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. You application may not generate the necessary codes to invoke the Tektronix mode. Here is the sequence of codes I have my applications send to invoke Tek emulation on a variety of emulators. It is a bit more than MS-Kermit needs, but will work with MS-Kermit, NCSA Telnet, and Xterm (on an X server). All codes in decimal: 27,91,63,51,56,104,27,12 Try launching your application from a script file that first sends the above codes. If you need any help in generating the above codes, let me know. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:50:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:50:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3bcn7r$627@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl>, Peter - INL wrote: > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN > machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as > Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use > reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another > guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set > flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a > lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link > without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow > control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem > still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and > [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences > correctly? > Kermit does interpret these sequences correctly, as all of its users will testify. I, for one, use it every day in exactly the same environment as you (dialup thru high-speed modem to a Sun, running applications like trn, Lynx, MM, and EMACS) and it works perfectly. So something else must be wrong. Are you sure that Kermit and the Sun are both set to the same terminal type (vt220)? Does your PC have a buffered UART? If not, then you probably should not try to use interface speeds above a certain level, depending on (a) how fast your CPU is, and (b) whether your PC is running DOS or Windows. If you are running Kermit under Windows, you REALLY need a buffered UART. > What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun > machine? > Flow control is probably the correct answer. Remember, flow control is a game that needs two players. Telling Kermit to "set flow rts/cts" is not enough -- you have to tell your modem to do it too. > Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) > I never heard of this kind of modem, so I can't tell you how to operate it. My best advice is: 1. Get MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. 2. Look at one of our high-speed modem dialing scripts in the MODEMS subdirectory; say, ZYXEL.SCR. Sit down with your Victory modem manual and adapt the script to use Victory modem commands. Assuming your modem works right, this will ensure that Kermit and the modem have optimal settings for each other. If you wind up with a good dialing script, you might want to post it for the benefit of other Victory modem users. Also, be sure to read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the diskette -- it contains troubleshooting instructions for just about every imagineable problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bcnt4$6v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: AS/400 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the field? > Of all the computers and operating systems in the world, there are only a couple for which nobody has ever written any Kermit software, and the AS/400 (and its predecessors, the Systems /34, /36, and /38) is one of them. Evidently this line of computers must be very hard to program; from what little I know about them, everything is "different" -- the text character set (it's not ASCII), the file system (probably record- oriented), the communication methods (some kind of bizarre proprietary "twinax" block-mode affair). But we have hurdled such obstacles before in the IBM mainframe world, thus we have the experience and know what is required. We get this question frequently, so there is definitely a big demand. But we do not have an AS/400 ourselves for development, and even if we did, we don't have a programmer to do the work. Back in the early days of the Kermit project, there were dozens of sites developing Kermit software for every imagineable platform. Maybe it's time to revive that early spirit. Anybody who is seriously interested in developing a Kermit program for the AS/400 (or porting an existing program, such as C-Kermit) should contact me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 16:10:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!calvin.cc.duq.edu!SIMEONE From: SIMEONE@calvin.cc.duq.edu (Simeone Stephen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:10:03 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.cc.duq.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to use it instead. Thanks ! -- __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_@-@.--< Stephen R. Simeone `--'\ \ <___/. \ \\ " / PROJECT GENESIS >=\\_/`< Center for Communications and Technology ____ /= | \_|/ Duquesne University _' `\ _/=== \___/ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. USA = -_ __/=================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 19:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 19:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bdbsi$o3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu>, Simeone Stephen wrote: >Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not >familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to >use it instead. Sorry, but SuperKermit is just a non-Columbia University implementation of sliding windows protocol. The best Kermit protocols are those included within MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, C-Kermit 5A(190), and VM/CMS Kermit (version ?). These packages implement sliding windows, extended length packets, WHATAMI negotiation, and RESEND for binary files. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 20:52:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:52:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >>> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >>> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >>> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >>> ``one-sided'' file transfers. >> >> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to >> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on >> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini >> files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. > It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings > (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may > wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the > client rather than sending long strings from the host. > Joe D. When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of the mskermit.ini file: define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, FINISH, CONNECT The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we have to get V 189? Darren Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:46:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Message-Id: <1994Nov28.204615.33951@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Nov 94 20:46:15 MDT References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "John G. Miles" writes: > Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using > MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the > university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics > graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) > to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed > without problem. > > However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I > prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my > graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the > tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an > IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. > It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but > immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics > commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get > anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid > multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type > are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type > "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as > indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. > > I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I > understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is > seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've > tried has been unsuccessful. > > Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video > card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any > pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally > as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as > often as I'd like). > > --John Miles > jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu ---------- I recall replying to you privately John. I can't help from the above description alone. The Kermit documentation explains which commands in VT320 mode will trigger a change to Tek mode, and it's a necessarily restrictive set. ESC Control-L (ESCape Form Feed) is the most common mode, meaning Tek screen clear. ESC [ ? 38 h will too, as will starting a DEC Sixel graphics command. My suggestion is to capture a sample session to a log file via LOG SESSION filename. Then send me the uuencoded file with commentary on what should have happened when so I can dig into the bits. I will also repeat a warning which results from seeing those funny colored blobs in VT320 mode. It is to never let anything use video memory, A000-BFFF, because it's video territory. I will guess that you may have let a memory manager sneak down there by mistake. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 00:33:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 00:33:35 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? Is there a script that does this? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 06:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 06:00:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 07:37:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!wirt From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 07:37:43 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, the time is here yet again. My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about 200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain this speed or even better? Please respond via email, and thanks for any replies! -- Brian Wirt wirt@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:02:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:02:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3bfc8p$e68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com>, wrote: > When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to > download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file > and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of > the mskermit.ini file: > > define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT > define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, > FINISH, CONNECT > > The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new > built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. > You can do absolutely anything with APC, but there are always risks when computer A lets applications on computer B issue commands to it. That's why we have three levels of security on APCs. By default, they are not allowed at all, for paranoia's sake, since almost any command, when issued maliciously, might be harmful. So the MS-DOS Kermit user must issue "set terminal apc on" to enable the APC mechanism at all. This is a change from version 3.13, where TERMINAL APC was ON by default, due to user feedback. However, TERMINAL APC ON only allows what are deemed "safe" commands (such as file transfer commands), and disallows commands that are by their very nature unsafe (such as DELETE and RUN). That's why your second example doesn't work. To allow RUN commands in APCs, the MS-DOS Kermit user must SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED, which is obviously risky. There is, however, still a TERMINALR/TERMINALS-like mechanism in MS-DOS Kermit, namely the PRODUCT macro, which allows the host application to invoke a user-defined macro, and even pass arguments to it. See pages 181-182 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". >Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we >have to get V 189? > Any application can issue an APC command. It just sends ESC, underscore, text, ESC, backslash. In C-Kermit 5A(188) you can easily define a macro to do this: define apc echo \27_\%1\27\92 which you can use like this: apc { first command, second command, etc } Of course it's always better to run an up-to-date version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:05:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:05:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. > If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:16:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: > I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for > downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal > apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one > script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, > because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as > an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a > '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit > too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides > manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a > script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, > We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from malicious attacks. If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, then there would *be* no security. On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less than disaster. You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back to ON afterwards. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:21:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:21:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 180 Message-Id: <3bfdco$g07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, Brian Wirt wrote: >It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer >files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, >the time is here yet again. > >My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to >optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or >something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember >two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about >200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain >this speed or even better? > Reposting (and slightly updating): Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 153 Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found > that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! > I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to > Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > Yes. But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. This is the first day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup. I hope it will prove beneficial to all Kermit users. To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the Kermit software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/archives/msvib.zip. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. . C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz) VMS: Get kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. OS/2: kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Others: Get kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 20:10:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 94 20:10:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 12 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a weird MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug: MS-Kermit>set duplex f MS-Kermit>set duplex f The first time "f" properly expands to "full ", but the second time it expands to "full\13". How's that for an esoteric one? By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:39:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:39:55 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. : Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. : If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit : makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see : where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every : computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness : of others"... : - Frank To the unknown (to me) person who placed the 3B1 Kermit binaries for 5A(190) in kermit/bin: THANK YOU Enjoy. Bill From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:33:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 1994 22:33:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bga8d$jhe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , >... >By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over >NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? > Yes. This will be fixed in Beta-15. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:21:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!cornhead From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Need interactive Kermit to exit completely on modem disconnect Message-Id: Followup-To: poster Sender: cornhead@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:21:19 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run kermit on my UNIX system as a replacement for tip. I typically start up kermit "from the keyboard", the .kermrc points it at my modem attached to one of my machine's serial ports, I type "c" to connect to the modem and it's straightforward terminal interaction from their. When I log out of my remote host and my modem disconnects, I am bounced back to the the local Kermit> prompt. Fine for many years. But now I would like to use that same line and modem for uucp dial-outs and dial-ins as well. I could quit Kermit, and kermit would remove its lock files and give up the line and I'd be all set. But I've been doing that for months now, and seem to forget to exit Kermit explicitely all too often. It would be nice if Kermit automatically exited gracefully on loss of carrier detect: nicer still (I think?) if it relinquished the tty line and removed its lock but did not exit upon loss of carrier. Can I configure kermit to behave this way? If not "out of the box", any pointers toward hacking a solution? I'd bet there's a one-line solution. Thanks in advance! -Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 00:14:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: Marco Papa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Long packets Date: 30 Nov 1994 00:14:21 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bgg4t$jav@nntp.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for informatioin on implementation of Kermit long packets. Where should I look at? Thanks. -- Marco Papa From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 21:52:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 21:52:01 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, : Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: : >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? : >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. : > : If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is : install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is : supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the : appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:12:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: Yeechang Lee Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Assorted MS-Kermit questions Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:27 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-Id: References: <3beh0j$dm5@news.sas.ab.ca> <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu news.newusers.questions:41077 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1252 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 29 Nov 1994 gt7611a@prism.gatech.edu wrote: > The only complaint I have, is > that you cannot scroll back like you can with some other packages. (Or can > you? I don't know how.) First, make sure you're running the latest version (3.13 is the latest production version; 3.14 is in solid beta. Both are available at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit, or http://kermit.columbia.edu/) To turn screen rollback on, put SET TERM ROLLBACK ON in your mscustom.ini file. Then put SET ROLLBACK xxxx (where xxxx=# between 1 and 8000) to govern how many screens will be remembered. By default, the grey PageUp and PageDown keys will be used to scroll up and down--if you don't like this, you can redefine the keys. > I use GSZ, a Zmodem implementation, to download files -- I find it faster > than Kermit. On the other hand, I have frequently had difficulty > downloading using Zmodem, and then I download the same file effortlessly, > although more slowly, using Kermit. Why is it more robust? Kermit is a very cautious protocol. It "escapes" or sort of specially-marks all unusual control characters so they'll cross any link, whether a dialup to a BBS, dialup to a university Unix system through a terminal server, or whatever. (This is one of the reasons for Kermit's slower performance compared to Zmodem.) By contrast, ZModem was originally designed for 8-bit clean lines (e.g., the kind of connection you get calling a BBS over the phone). It escapes no control characters at all (though this can be changed--see your ZModem docs). You can experiment with only escaping the control characters on Kermit that cause problems for your system; this will help your throughput a lot. Get the Kermit 3.14 beta--it has a document, PERFORM.DOC, that details all this and more. > * I have heard, and you mention the same, that Kermit is only marginally > slower than Zmodem "if the settings are right". I have tweaked the packet > sizes, but I'm really only shooting in the dark. I have seen faster > transfers with longer packets, and my Unix machine, from which I sometimes > down / upload, prompts me to change BLOCKS. What are all these > parameters, and what do I set them to? (And how do I know that is what I > need to set them to?) Blocks, for Kermit, refer to checksum schemes. Type SET BLOCK 3 on both your side and on the university's side; it'll help accuracy. The 3.14 beta makes big improvements on all these fronts--not only is there the PERFORM.DOC, plus more discussion of this "Most Frequently Asked Question" in the main documentation (KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.BWR), but there are also some basic macros that will set things to go a lot faster than normal automatically. > * I currently PUSH out of Kermit, and then run a batch file to download > using Zmodem. It works fine, but is cumbersome. I have had many problems > uploading, though, and I have a feeling it may be due to the PUSHing. Is > there a way to use Zmodem straight out of Kermit's bowels? What Zmodem > protocol implementation do you use? Is there a freeware version? (Where > do I find it?) Yes. I have these lines in my mscustom.ini file; define rz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha on port 1 G rz -mrr define sz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha both port 1 G sz -Q^ -m \%1 \%2, Type the above lines _exactly_, including the case; just substitute in the filepath of your ZModem program (I'd recommend you find and use dsz.exe; it's quicker than gsz.com or dsz.com.). The '-Q^' is required on my system to escape a control code that causes problems for my server; it tells ZModem to escape ASCII code 30, '^^'. It probably won't be the same with your system; take that part out and see how things work out. Talk to your sysadmins about what control characters need to be escaped on uploads and downloads. Anyways, with these commands you can just type 'sz xyz.txt' and 'rz' to up/download right from the MS-Kermit command line. > I look forward to hearing from you soon. Hope this helps. I'll also crosspost this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Kermit HQ on Usenet. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 05:51:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:51:00 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is >a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such >as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from >malicious attacks. >If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, >then there would *be* no security. >On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less >than disaster. >You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think >about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk >far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login >script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul >SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back >to ON afterwards. Um, ok, I can accept this argument as far as it goes. But, problem is, if a macro or take file is invoked with an apc command, any "unsafe" operations called for in those are also disabled. So, while I can understand wanting to protect some innocent user from a malicious script or some such, what about having apc commands invoke scripts that others are unlikely to know about? Example: The script on my host account sends a compressed backup file, backup.tgz, as backup.tmp. The script on my PC receives the transfer and, *if the transfer succeeds*, deletes the already existing backup.tgz and renames backup.tmp to backup.tgz. Would an option to set apc unchecked for scripts only make any sense? If not, I guess I could always put the command in a macro and then bind it to a key... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 20:49:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com!news From: timur@vnet.ibm.com (Timur Tabi) Subject: can't get this script to work Sender: news@bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com (News Admin ID) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:49:09 GMT Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: timur.bocaraton.ibm.com Organization: IBM Boca Raton X-Newsreader: NetSuite News for OS/2 [version: 3.4beta] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that comes in. Here's the script: telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 -- Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@vnet.ibm.com, using UltiMail/2 Speaking as a member of Team OS/2, not as an IBM'er MMPM/2 MIDI Device Drivers From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 03:27:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't get this script to work Date: 1 Dec 1994 03:27:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3bjfrl$sum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Timur Tabi wrote: >I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting >feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" >line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that >comes in. > >Here's the script: > >telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com >input 10 login: >output timur\13 > Use: set host tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 connect Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 18:16:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!hsdndev!cfanews!cheimets From: cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) Subject: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:16:01 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file in 28 seconds). Is that fast? What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. thanks -- Peter Cheimets Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory ,__o- Smithsonian Institution _-\_<, 60 Garden St. (*)/'(*)- Cambridge, MA 01238 cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (617)495-7384 X134 (voice) (617)495-7098 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 01:32:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!lla From: lla@med.unc.edu (Lance Arnder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Autodialing Script? Date: 30 Nov 1994 01:32:46 GMT Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jason.med.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call failed 'line BUSY'") - therefore I can't test to see if the line I'm dialing is busy. I realize that this is a solved problem but it is frustrating me beyond its importance. Thanks a priori, Lance Arnder Imaging Physics Laboratory, Duke University Dept. of Radiology, UNC-CH From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 22:54:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: C-Kermit weirdness Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:54:07 GMT Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote a C-Kermit script for someone here at work to log onto a machine via modem and send a mail and then log back off to minimize the time on the modem. A command procedure (DCL) builds the commands that get executed by C-Kermit. To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like ":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is a test I performed that gives me the same error. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {123},show macro arglist} 1=(123) 2=() 3=() arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} ?No keywords match - glist ----------------------------- I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate this weirdness? Also I noticed that my version of C-Kermit doesn't perform a LF when it does its first output (the above was slightly edited). It really would have looked like this on my screen. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) 1=(123) 2=() 3=()ess {arglist {123},show macro arglist} ------------------------ Where after the "def arglist..." I did the same "xif" as shown above. I imagine this is a small bug and not big deal to fix. Just wanted to point it out. Thanks for your help in advance. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:23:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fonorola!alpha.vaxxine.com!pcbrad.vaxxine.com!brad From: brad@vaxxine.com (Brad Bell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Discard Date Question. Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:19:42 UNDEFINED Organization: Public Access at Vaxxine Computer Systems Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pcbrad.vaxxine.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? Thanks in advance.... Brad. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 17:50:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!news.ach.uams.edu!news From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 30 Nov 1994 17:50:41 GMT Organization: UAMS-Computing Services Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.30.1.66 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings! We're currently running C-Kermit 5a(189) under OpenVMS 1.5. We have a number of users who are using older versions of Persoft's comm programs SmarTerm 220 and SmarTerm 240 on their pc's. Unfortunately, these programs' implementations of kermit don't work properly when trying to GET a file from C-Kermit when it is in server mode. Every other kermit file transfer appears to work ok between SmarTerm and C-Kermit, i.e., interactive (non-server mode) send/receive operations work fine in both directions. SEND transfers with C-Kermit in server mode seems to work ok as well. Only GETs from C-Kermit fail. I understand from a post that I received from Frank da Cruz regarding this that many comm packages simply don't follow the kermit protocol the way they should, but I'd still like to try to get it to work if possible. I do have packet logs from attempted GET transfers using SmarTerm 240 (which doesn't work) and SmarTerm 340 (which does work), and SmarTerm 240 does send a strange packet up front which SmarTerm 340 does not (the strange packet is #N3 ). Quite a few users are a little concerned about this since everything worked fine before we moved from Kermit-32 version 3.3.111 on a VAX to C-Kermit on an Alpha processor. If anyone has found a workaround for this problem, please let me know. At this point, I don't want to tell everyone they have to upgrade their comm software or switch them over to something else, but I suppose that I will if I have to... Also, I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a 'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? All help is greatly appreciated...thanks! Bruce Hulsey Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences bruce@mail.uams.edu bbhulsey@life.uams.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 13:30:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!reichera From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 13:30:41 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkj61$r5j@clarknet.clark.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Cheimets (cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved : things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, : and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file : in 28 seconds). Is that fast? : What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was : supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. : thanks I have Kermit set to a packet size of 1024 with sliding windows set to 4. Running on a 9600 line, I regularly get transfer rates of about 1150 cps. -- ______________________ _________________________________________________ | Alan Reichert | The Noble Blades' 1994 Gratuitous Violence Tour | | reichera@clark.net | ----- | |----------------------| "Of course he has a knife. He always has a | | "Acrophobic Lighting | knife. We all have knives. It's 1183 and | | Designer for Hire" | we're barbarians." -A Lion In Winter | |______________________|_________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:22:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Autodialing Script? Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkm7i$798@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Lance Arnder wrote: >Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for >C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit >but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command >intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it >doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call >failed 'line BUSY'") > Here is a very simple one: define keep_on_dialing dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial } You should also be able to adapt MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts very easily. If the INPUT command is not reading messages from the modem, then maybe the modem is not issuing the messages. For example, it might be in "silent mode" or numeric-response mode. Or maybe you need to add the following command to your script program before attempting to do i/o with the modem's command processor: SET CARRIER OFF - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:34:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:34:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brad Bell wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS >VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. > The current version is 5A(190). >When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is >brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on >the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? > If you don't want this to happen, then tell either one of the two Kermit programs to: SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF It's in the manuals (both of them). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:40:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:40:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bkn8b$8qi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu>, Bruce Hulsey wrote: >... I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit >software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a >'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? > It used to be, but the people who wrote and maintained it -- Bob McQueen and Nick Bush of Stevens Institutue of Technology -- disappeared about eight years ago. The program is not supported, it's written in a language (Bliss-32) that nobody has and that even DEC has dropped support for, etc. So I'd say no, it is no longer recommended or encouraged. There is hardly anything it can do that C-Kermit for VMS can't do, and C-Kermit can do thousands of things that Kermit-32 can't. And C-Kermit is fully supported. If you have some old commercial software that does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, you probably won't get any sympathy from that quarter either -- they will tell you, just like I will, to use the up-to-date versions that fix older bugs and that are supported. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:46:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit weirdness Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:46:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3bknkh$984@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like >":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is >a test I performed that gives me the same error. >... >arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) >C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} >?No keywords match - glist > >I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly >what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate >this weirdness? > Quote the parentheses by giving the ASCII character value: xif success {arglist {\40},show macro arglist} - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:08:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:08:38 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application that is sending from VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running version 190). I need to have the server side rename a file when it receives it, but I want to be sure that this operation is secure (meaning that a malicious user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file in the same directory to which it was sent. So I assume that enabling host is out. Can I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). What are some other options or things to consider in this application? Thanks for any and all help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 23:26:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 30 Nov 1994 23:26:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bj1no$794@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > >Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. > dial mary; while failure {dial mary} -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:13:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!cockpit.syr.edu!vefatica From: vefatica@cockpit.syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fast file transfer Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:13:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3bl07p$e74@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@mailbox.syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-147.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those who are really serious about getting the very fastest file transfer should have some standard by which to measure their own Kermit's performance and compare it to others. By this I mean an utterly uncompressible file of significant length. It's easy to make one: using your favorite language, write characters in the range 0 to 255 AT RANDOM to a file. When you're done, try zip or gzip on it ... it'll get bigger ... it's really uncompressible. I keep a 100,000 byte such file (called "tight") around for testing purposes. I routinely achieve 1635 cps on a 14400 dialed connection and 1090 cps on a 9600 dialed connection. I believe this is pretty darned close to optimum for uncompressible data. How do you do it? As has been said, long packets and sliding windows do a great deal in speeding up file transfer, but you won't approach the speeds above with long packets and sliding windows alone; the key to squeezing out that last 20-25% of speed is CONTROL CHARACTER UNPREFIXING. By default, Kermit "prefixes" (adds a byte to) a fairly large number of characters; this is so intervening hardware and software won't misinterpret them and do something undesirable. For example, if there is xon/xoff flow- control in effect (anywhere along the way), an unprefixed ^S will be interpreted as a "stop" (probably not as desired). In addition, the characters which Kermit prefixes are among those which appear frequently in compressed data. So by default, Kermit does it as safely as possible. But in any given situation there's probably only a few characters which need to be prefixed; so in general you want to tell the sending Kermit to: set control unprefixed all set control prefixed [only the necessary ones] As Frank da Cruz has pointed out, precisely which ones are necessary is very much connection-dependent, and so experimentation is the only way to find out what you need. On a dialed connection where there's no xon/xoff (anywhere) and where I know the dial-up server is in transparent mode, I need only "set control prefixed 0 1 3". If there were xon/xoff in effect, I'd add to the list 17 19 145 147 (^Q, ^S, and their 8-bit counterparts). When I use Kermit to make a network connection, I add 13 141 255. So ... experiment. Upon first connecting to my dial-up server (a Cisco, I think) I have the opportunity to issue commands (only a few) to it. I can say, for example, "terminal download" which puts it in transparent mode, or "terminal flow hardware in out" which I imagine does just what it says. I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about such server issues, so if anyone would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it. Also by default, Kermit tries to do a little compressing of it's own by simply replacing strings of repeated characters with something shorter. This is probably futile for data that's already compressed. Even though it's not clear that Kermit's actually wasting time trying to do this, I tell the sending Kermit to "set repeat count off" whenever I know the data is already compressed. Respectfully, Vincent Fatica From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 04:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Alternative to ansi printing Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 04:00:45 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For whatever this is worth to anyone... It'll probably work on other host systems, bus since Unix is what I'm familiar with... I got the idea while reading through some of the documentation for MS-Kermit 3.14 BETA that ansi printing does no packet checking, but simply switches output from your screen to your printer. If you have a modern error-correcting modem, this is probably fine, but if your modem is old (like mine) and lacks that feature, there is the potential for characters to be lost, bursts of line noise showing up in your printout, etc. If you're using MS-Kermit 3.13 or later as your comm program, you can use it with C-Kermit (preferably 5A(190)) to print with full error correction. Pipe whatever you want printed into this: /usr/5bin/echo '\033_rec\033\\\c'; kermit -s - -a PRN The echo command simulates an apc command to MS-Kermit (kermit -C "apc rec" doesn't work; check your man page for echo to make sure it supports the special functions), which puts MSK into receive mode (be sure you have apc on-- SET TERM APC ON). The options for C-Kermit tell it to send from the standard input (from a pipe), and send it as PRN. MS-Kermit will accept PRN as a valid name; MS-DOS will send it to your printer. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what are blocks? Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:26:41 GMT Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? what are they blocks of? any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu "Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." -- Bertrand Russell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 04:56:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 2 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: z Message-Id: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su Nntp-Posting-Host: news.demos.su X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 09:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!odins-suita!alice!taeko!ocuhep!apple!duan From: duan@tama.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Message-Id: Date: 1 Dec 94 09:38:30 GMT Sender: news@apple.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Distribution: fj Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Osaka-City Univ., Japan Lines: 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: katsuo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You are girl! From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 20:24:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!delphi.cs.ucla.edu!twinsun!not-for-mail From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:24:43 -0800 Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3blbeb$cii@tattoo.twinsun.com> References: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.54.239.40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF This is an excellent command to put in your .kermrc if you transfer data across time zone boundaries. The current Kermit protocol does not understand time zones, and it can munge dates by several hours when transferring data from one time zone to another. I've had this problem, for example, when copying files between Unix hosts and then using `make' -- the bogus timestamps screw up the build, sometimes in subtle ways. Perhaps a future Kermit protocol extension can address this issue, so that time stamps are handled properly when both hosts know about time zones (as is the case with Unix or, for that matter, any Posix-compliant OS). From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 14:10:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what are blocks? Date: 2 Dec 1994 14:10:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3bn9t7$frg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT wrote: >when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster >transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember >to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea >what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? >what are they blocks of? > >any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) SET BLOCKS 1,2,or3 determine what kind of checking is used to determine that packet that was received contains proper data. On today's fast machines Block Check 3 (16-bit CRC) should always be used. Just place it in your INI file. Also, it must be issued on both sides for it to be used. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 19:29:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 2 Dec 1994 19:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm working on an application that is sending from >VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running >version 190). >I need to have the server side rename a file when >it receives it, but I want to be sure that this >operation is secure (meaning that a malicious >user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it >to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file >in the same directory to which it was sent. > >So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? > DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server program, before putting it in server more, then the client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". It's all in there. >Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen >it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). > MS-DOS Kermit as well as C-Kermit 5A(190) for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2 all support APC, but this only is effective during CONNECT mode. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 18:26:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!caip.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: halasz@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:26:55 -0500 Organization: caip.rutgers.edu Lines: 10 Sender: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: caip.rutgers.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): : But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable : from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server : connections, etc. Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. -*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*- Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which, unfortunately, no one whom we know belongs From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:15:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:51 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: <94120257161@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:52:41 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. Usually, it will not let me set line. SET LINE gives a "permission denied" or "access to device denied" error with /dev/term/b, /dev/tty/b , /dev/cua/b whether I am in as root or an ordinary user, with all the permissions on the /device file and /dev links set to 777, it does it no matter what. Now tip does fine with dial outs. But kermit won't do it. This seems so strange. A user can call in and start a kermit server on the same line. but no dice with the dial out. It is maddening. Has anyone else had similar problems? Any suggestions, ideas, snyde remarks? Any help will be most appreciated. Byron.Chandler@microserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:03:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 'contrib' directory? Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:03:38 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bo23a$k7i@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Perhaps this is crazy, but has anyone setup a contrib directory for scripts, front-ends, etc? We have the Kermit books here and I'll admit I've only used them as reference resources, but I was curious if anyone had an archive of .INI scripts, interface programs, etc?? If not ... I suppose I could offer to create one? Unless I'm the only one in the world too lazy to sit down and write my own scripts from scratch? :^) I do like indexing archives - maybe it's the librarian in me trying to creep out. andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:54:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:54:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bo522$45t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu>, wrote: >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): >: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable >: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server >: connections, etc. > >Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an >eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. Frank means what he says. Kermit can auto-detect mark, even and odd parity. But it is unable to detect space parity. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:08:33 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) writes: >I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved >things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, >and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file >in 28 seconds). Is that fast? You could probably tune it a bit... I usually end up with 720-730cps for 9600 baud and a decent line... if you're getting retries, cut the packetsize, otherwise up it a bit... I get good results with 1200 byte packets on a clean line.... -- warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 12:01:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:32 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Emp Message-Id: <94120256676@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:44:36 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Path: nuclear.microserve.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server >From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) >Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc >Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 >Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant >Lines: 2 >Sender: news-server@news.demos.su >Distribution: z >Message-ID: >Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su >NNTP-Posting-Host: news.demos.su >X-mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] > >How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? > From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 08:43:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Message-Id: <1994Dec2.144312.34369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Dec 94 14:43:12 MDT References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, vdk@rulxho (Peter - INL) writes: > Hello Kermit people, > > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The > terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my > screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With What might you mean by "mess"? > 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same > kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried > this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like > reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control > none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal > to VT 100, but the problem still exists. > The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a > way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the > settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? These are fine. MSK supports all of them and far more. May I suggest you look at the Sun machine to understand what terminal type it thinks it is using. Try a man page to see the visual effects too (though most man pages make a hash of the visual part). Then I will repeat the often stated Requirement that flow control be effective all the way through the comms chain. That means the host end must support an effective flow control which its modem understands... all the way to your desktop PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 20:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 20:37:30 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that : the command processor is unavailable. : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of 3.13. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 02:09:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!hopi.dtcc.edu!hobbes.dtcc.edu!bob From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 3 Dec 1994 02:09:48 GMT Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bok1c$e9m@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... >(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit > will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Careful, I think that last one is one of the values that triggers the Pentium bug.... ;-)) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm College | AIDS, Drugs, Abortion: - | |Computer Center, Dover, Delaware | - Don't liberals just kill you?| |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu |Save whales; and kill babies? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 22:17:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? >> >DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >program, before putting it in server more, then the >client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) > >Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >It's all in there. There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. I'm running both an Alpha... C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.17, 8 Aug 94, for OpenVMS AXP Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And a VAX machine... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And neither allow REMOTE RENAME! Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames without allowing renames across directories, or is there something missing in my version of C-Kermit?! What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT to work? I want to enable as little as possible. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 00:24:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: "OPEN READ file" Problems Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:24:09 GMT Lines: 82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank et al, I apologize that everything I post to this newsgroup are problems I'm experiencing with C-Kermit. I truly love the product and have little complaints! Now to the problem... I'm running... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX And created a text file called param.dat containing three small lines of text. Then went into C-Kermit and did this... C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open C-Kermit>type sys$login:param.dat username password e-mail@address --------------------------- I checked all the docs I have (THE book, the beware file for VMS, etc). I didn't find any exceptions for READ for VMS. The !READ works fine when I do this... C-Kermit>open !read type sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a username C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a password C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a e-mail@address C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open ----------------------- So why won't READ work in this case? Is it possible my file attributes are what it needs to be for it to read the file correctly? They are... MV80:[]$ dir /full sys$login:param.dat Directory SYS$USERS:[HATCHER] PARAM.DAT;1 File ID: (8847,19,0) Size: 1/3 Owner: [HATCHER] Created: 3-DEC-1994 17:49:44.15 Revised: 3-DEC-1994 18:46:26.02 (2) Expires: Backup: File organization: Sequential File attributes: Allocation: 3, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit Record format: Variable length, maximum 14 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes: None Journaling enabled: None File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED Access Cntrl List: None Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks. Thanks for the help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:10:24 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi --- I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works fine (Text xfers are text, and binary xfers are binary). But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. Here is the troubleshooting I tried to narrow it down.... Looked at "show file" on both sides...it says "Text" Get the above result when I pcget from UNIX. Tried set file type text explicitly on both ends before pcget. Still get same result. Wrote a little script to rule out error in pcget macro: apc server pause 2 remote set file type text set file type text get dosfile.txt finish Ran the script from UNIX side, and still the file was xferred as Binary not Text! What am I missing here ? I would appreciate any suggestions, insights, criticism, etc. As far as RTFB goes :-), I'm still working from .HLP/.UPD/.BWR as my copy of the book hasn't arrived yet :-( Thanks very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email OK, followups OK too) 908-949-4926 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 21:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP, NE2000 and Kermit Date: 03 Dec 1994 21:43:40 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to use Kermit 3.14 on my PC with an NE2000 network card. I run the Crynwr packet driver, and the parameters shown after execution are: packet-intr: 0x7e hardware intr: 9 i/o address: 0x300 I configured the parameters correctly in mscustom.ini, and then attempted to connect to a host. Kermit claims it cannot reach the gateway. I had my network admin snoop the subnet for me, and I saw that my requests to the gateway were reaching it, and that the gateway was responding. After a while, my PC would request a again, and the gateway would again respond. For whatever reason, my PC does not seem to acknowledge the responses from the gateway. Any hints, pointers to the porblem? I had a theory that perhaps Kermit was responding the hardware interrupt delivered by the network card, but I think it more likely that the network card may not be recognizing packets that are meant for itself. -- James From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 14:22:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lockup problem Date: 4 Dec 1994 14:22:26 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old kermit did: it locks up. I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". It never unhangs until I hit ^C. I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. What else would cause Kermit to lock? Please **EMAIL** replies, as I will be offline for most of the next week. Thanks! Gary From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 16:48:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Warp: Can Ckermit and TCPIP work together? Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:48:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3bsrsv$37b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get CKermit for OS/2 to work with the TCPIP stuff that comes in the OS/2 Warp Bonus Pack, but I have not been successful. Is this at all possible? If anyone has done this, please let me know how they did it. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 23:36:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13609 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Bayleaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ USA) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:36:28 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) wrote: > Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: > : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor > : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. > > : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only > : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that > : the command processor is unavailable. > > : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: > : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. > > Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the > 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's > loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands > from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or > less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) > let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). > > If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might > wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview > probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to > run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. > > Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of > 3.13. > > -- > Xander. To get more memory when shelling to MS-DOS, use a program called "Shroom" - Short for "Shell Room". Waffle BBS folks swear by it. It shells the program you are using out to disk or memory, and gives you the greatest possible memory in that situation. Ask on comp.bbs.waffle for the place to find it. (It also works great with programs like Deskmate, compilers, and every other program that shells to DOS). -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 18:45:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!infomatch.com!infomatch.com!not-for-mail From: blaak@infomatch.com (Ray Blaak) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 4 Dec 1994 10:45:22 -0800 Organization: InfoMatch Information Services Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Summary: see subject Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' instead of a serial device. Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Cheers, Ray Blaak blaak@infomatch.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:07:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:07:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bvaaq$ibl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94120257161@microserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94120257161@microserve.com>, Byron Chandler wrote: >I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I >have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a >bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is >a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. > UNIX bidirectional ttys are a big problem for C-Kermit. That's because every version of UNIX, and every release of every version, handles this issue differently. It's no surprise that tip and/or cu on a particular UNIX version, such as Solaris 2.3, handle bidirectional ttys OK, because these are vendor-provided utilities. They are probably also installed suid to root or somesuch. There is no way C-Kermit, which runs on over 400 different UNIX variations, can account for bidirectional ttys on all of them (or for that matter, any of them!) without introducing thousands of lines of code, security risks, and insurmountable maintenance headaches. The standard advice (found in all the relevant documentation) is: before using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional tty, use your system utilities to make it non-bidirectional. For example, make a shell script wrapper that kills the getty and restarts init, or that runs admintool, or whatever, then runs Kermit, and then when Kermit exits, puts the line back the way it was. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:21:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , -M.BAKER wrote: >I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: > >PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) > >When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. > This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta release, Beta-14. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:28:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:28:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bvbid$kce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >>program, before putting it in server more, then the >>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > Oops, sorry. I should have looked before I leapt. I really thought it was there! Oh well, it will be in the next release. >Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames >without allowing renames across directories... > The only Kermit server that supports REMOTE KERMIT commands is Kermit-370 on IBM mainframes. There are no plans to add REMOTE KERMIT server-end support to C-Kermit, even though the C-Kermit client can send REMOTE KERMIT commands. So for now the only way to get a C-Kermit server to rename a file is to send it a REMOTE HOST RENAME (or REMOTE HOST MV, or whatever, depending on the operating system) command. >What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT >to work? I want to enable as little as possible. > Unfortunately, this requires that you ENABLE HOST, which is what you were trying to avoid. Of course, there are other solutions, such as sending the file with the desired name in the first place. But if this is to include a directory part, then you have to ENABLE CD. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "OPEN READ file" Problems Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:37:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bvc3q$l92@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm running... >C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX > >And created a text file called param.dat >containing three small lines of text. > >Then went into C-Kermit and did this... > >C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat >C-Kermit>read \%a >C-Kermit>echo \%a > >C-Kermit>read \%a >?Read file not open > I dunno. I tried this locally and it works fine, assuming the file really exists and really has three lines in it, and OPEN READ was given the correct file name. The typescript above makes it look like your PARAM.DAT file consisted of one empty line, and the second READ command got an end-of-file. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:45:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:45:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net>, Gary Fritz wrote: >I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) >from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old >kermit did: it locks up. > >I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, >though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing >the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then >it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I >started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it >with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". >It never unhangs until I hit ^C. > >I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. >What else would cause Kermit to lock? > Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and modems"), as described in the HP manual, "Configuring HP-UX for Peripherals: HP 9000". If you attempt to use a serial device before it has been configured this way, it will not work properly; typical symptoms are (a) no communication at all; (b) nonfunctional modem signals; and/or (c) massive amounts of character loss in both directions. (end quote) Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:47:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com>, Ray Blaak wrote: >I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' >instead of a serial device. > The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations VMS C-Kermit OS/2 C-Kermit AOS/VS C-Kermit Stratus VOS C-Kermit - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 16:54:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 08:54:24 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3bvgk1$f7i@pacifier.com> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > C-Kermit hasn't implemented Remote Rename yet. I called attention to this many moons ago in a message to, I think, Terry Kennedy. Here is one instance wherein old Bliss Kermit outshines C-Kermit; Bliss Kermit implements Remote Rename. Whether one can rename across directories is a function of the privs allotted to the account wherein the remote Kermit is run. What Frank was saying, I think, was that you could rename the file(s) locally before you sent them via Kermit. Ciao! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 6 03:13:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:13:17 -0500 Organization: United Fashions of Texas, Ltd. Lines: 29 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- The expected result, which Crosstalk did provide, is a blank screen with the shell prompt toward the top, and the word "background" twice on some line of the screen. Kermit however, responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. The "background" words are erased as well, which should not happen. Kermit did respond correctly to a couple other small tests. I hope this can be fixed for this version, it's the only vt220 feature I need which Kermit does not support. Yet :-). -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 21:34:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:34:26 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, Xander Jansen (jansen@surfnet.nl) wrote: >If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might >wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview >probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to >run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. If memory's a problem, another option is setting the screen rollback buffer smaller. Setting it to 5 instead of the default 10 would (according to the docs) save about 20K or more. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:20:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:50:40 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3c0e98$5a4@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ray Blaak (blaak@infomatch.com) wrote: : I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' : instead of a serial device. : Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. : Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Yes. kermit.columbia.edu. I have used the telnet built into MS-Kermit, C-Kermit for AIX, and C-Kermit for Unixware. On newer kermits with TCP/IP, one can telnet from the kermit prompt or a kermit script file. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 21:59:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:59:47 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I still haven't found a way to do server side renames of a file. I send the file as one name and want to rename it on the server side. REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to find this command in the book and it doesn't work on my version. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 12:15:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:55:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:54:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!warwick!bham!news!bam From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 06 Dec 1994 12:15:00 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. This is really strange. I too have never seen REMOTE RENAME in any kermit manuals or implemnataions and yet the "Kermit Protocol Manual 6" (1986!) includes the underlying protocol support for this command. What gives? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 16:05:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:05:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I still haven't found a way to do server side >renames of a file. I send the file as one >name and want to rename it on the server side. > >REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to >find this command in the book and it doesn't >work on my version. > Erik: The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit which you do not want to do. The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very start. SEND oldname newname has exactly the same result as SEND oldname REMOTE RENAME oldname newname Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 17:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:26:23 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c26rv$8jv@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: > > MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows > UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations > VMS C-Kermit > OS/2 C-Kermit > AOS/VS C-Kermit > Stratus VOS C-Kermit Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave a kermit running in server mode. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c2ht1$4v2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start >up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you >can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave >a kermit running in server mode. > Not at the current time. Its not a limitation of Kermit but of the telnet server software on OS/2. I am attempting to work with IBM to address the issue. It does require some significant code changes (and optimizations) to enable it to work. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:52:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Message-Id: <1994Dec6.075216.34631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 94 07:52:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. > I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature > which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". > > I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences > and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---------- Correct. And it's fixed in beta-15. That beta is accumulating last minute bug reports and will be issued shortly. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 21:52:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:52:07 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Summary: How does flow control work? Keywords: MS-DOS Flow Control Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. Here are my questions: 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out the serial port to the host? 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? And is it the same during TRANSMIT? 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q characters on to the host, without further processing? This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? This is also the way a real VT-100 works. In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from the host, then not send any data to the host until the host sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user type without Kermit losing any? 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending when the host sends a ^Q? 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish for having missed it. 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled in the source code? Thanks for your help in this matter. --Mike Ciaraldi From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!halsoft.com!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Message-Id: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:45:17 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize com4, I know the modem works properly because I was able to downl oad using a different protocol. I download from a mainframe, so I need to use kermit, currently I'm using 3.14 patch level 6, which was working with my other modem at com1. Any ideas on how to fix it to work with com4? -CmC From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 15:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Date: 7 Dec 1994 15:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3c4ipk$afe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe >problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re >flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize >com4 ... > See the section "Nonstandard Communication Ports" in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 207. For greater detail, read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes in the top-level directory of the ZIP file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 22:22:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!vki68!eks From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] X/Y/Z modem from kermit - Possible ? Date: 6 Dec 1994 22:22:14 GMT Organization: Water Quality Institute, Science Park Aarhus. Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3c2o6m$j48@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vki68.aar-vki.dk Summary: Is it possible to start X/Y/Z modem transfer from within kermit ? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here in Denmark BBSs very often don't have kermit comm. facility. Normally they have the X/Y/Z modem "thing" only. Is it possible to initiate a X/Y/Z modem transfer from within a kermit "session" ? If so is there some special programmes I need to install on the system ? The system(s) we are using kermit on are: SCO ODT 3.0, Motorola sys/V r36 (and dos/Windows). Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 02:39:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow Message-Id: <1994Dec8.083912.34887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 94 08:39:12 MDT References: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about > a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are > omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this > because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because > I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice > to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. -------- It's not a problem in MSK 3.14. But MSK 3.14 is not available for general distribution yet; it is still in beta. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:21:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!progshop From: progshop@world.std.com (Programmer Shop) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:21:05 GMT Lines: 39 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3799 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52014 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3724 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1314 comp.lang.c++:96621 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) writes: >Dear Sirs, >I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. >The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully >(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found >Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. >I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported >by the package. >If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the >following matters, please share them with me! >- Kermit under MS-Windows >- communication libraries for MS-Windows Greenleaf is definately an option. CommLib (and Comm++) supports Kermit with compression and eigth bit prefixing. One of our developers have have been using CommLib for several version (since 4.0) and have had great success and good support. Other Comm libs that support Kermit that I know of are CrystalCOMM for Windows by Crystal Software and possibly MagnaCOMM by SofDesign. Sorry, no shareware. -sk >Sincerely, >Pasi >-- > Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 > t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 > Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:44:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!collins From: collins@iastate.edu (Gene Collins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 8 Dec 1994 20:44:22 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus2.cc.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >-M.BAKER wrote: >>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >>and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: >> >>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) >> >>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. >> >This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta >release, Beta-14. > >- Frank Well, unfortunately, I seem to be having a similar problem downloading zip files from a bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. Gene Collins (collins@iastate.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 18:46:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 9 Dec 1994 18:46:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ca8lu$1hs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu>, Gene Collins wrote: >...I seem to be having a ... problem downloading zip files from a >bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on >the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take >place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the >files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same >procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm >currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Only to make sure that the BBS Kermit software, whatever it is, has also been told to send the file in binary mode. In general, it is the *file sender* that determines the transfer mode. It sounds as if, in this case, the BBS was sending the ZIP file in text mode. A good tipoff would be if the transferred file was bigger than the original file, and every carriage return in the transferred file was followed by a linefeed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 19:17:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: apology Date: 9 Dec 1994 05:47:39 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c7m4j$duk@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: eve.adam.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sorry about an article apparently posted 3 times - we've had a news problem here Andrew Dunstan Mayne Nickless From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:05:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!tomg From: tomg@agora.rdrop.com (Tom Glover) Subject: Scripts via Telnet X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #9 (NOV) Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:05:03 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with kermit. Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying to do it with a telnet session. Using C-Kermit 5A for SunOS 4.1 Thanks in advance for any help Email - tomg@boiled.egg.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 00:04:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts via Telnet Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:04:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3caraa$oe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Glover wrote: >I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with >kermit. > >Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have >had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying >to do it with a telnet session. Of course it is. Instead of using TELNET in your script, use SET NETWORK TCP/IP SET HOST whatever your login requires transfer files logout SET HOST As long as you don't enter CONNECT mode, you can run scripts. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 05:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec9.112623.34998@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 11:26:23 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > Does MSkermit support the use of Arcnet packet drivers? > The reason I ask is that the docs with the packet drivers say that > to use arcnet, the client software must support it (arcnet) specifically. > They make mention of KA9Q being the only known client to support it. > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > Thanks, > --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu --------------- As the documentation says, MSK supports Ethernet (DIX/Ethernet_II/ BlueBook) and SLIP Packet Drivers, as well as working directly over ODI for these and other lan topologies. Be sure to use MSK 3.14 beta or later (when there is a later) for TCP/IP over Arcnet ODI drivers due to an ODI ambiguitity problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 23:16:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!not-for-mail From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Florida International University Message-Id: <-3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Control: cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:16:28 GMT Approved: news@newshost.fiu.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 22:03:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jnavas From: jnavas@netcom.com (John Navas) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Organization: The Navas Group, Dublin, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:03:18 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3809 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52063 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3736 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1321 comp.lang.c++:96686 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tolonen Pasi (t130313@cs.tut.fi) wrote: > Dear Sirs, > I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. > The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully > (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found > Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. > I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported > by the package. > If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the > following matters, please share them with me! > - Kermit under MS-Windows > - communication libraries for MS-Windows Check ftp://rainbow.rmii.com/pub2/turbopower -- Best regards, John From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 08:03:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!qucdn!smithm Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:03:08 EST From: Mike Smith Message-Id: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got a user who complains that he gets the error ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that is important. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:47:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!jambo.cc.columbia.edu!jt50 From: jt50@columbia.edu (Jess Ting) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 10 Dec 1994 04:47:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jambo.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need to quit Kermit and restart it. In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions perfectly well after it is restarted. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 14:17:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 20:17:50 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Dear Joe, > These (4 and 5) are two different cases, and they are different from 3. > Each may be appropriate in certain situations, and I wanted to find > out if Kermit supported them. > > Consider a VAX with a serial card that has large output buffers, as many do. > If a terminal (or Kermit emulating one) just passes through > ^S and ^Q characters (case 3), what happens when the user hits a ^S (XOFF)? > It gets sent to the host. The host CPU detects it and stops sending data. > However, there may be several thousand characters still in the > output buffer of the serial card, and there is no mechanism for the > host CPU to notify the card to stop sending. So, even though > the user has hit ^S, several more pages of data appear on the screen > and scroll off the top of the screen. I've seen this happen many times. > Fortunately, MS-DOS Kermit has a screen scrollback buffer, > but this is still a problem for most users > (those who are not using Kermit, of course). > > In case 4 and 5, when the user hits ^S, Kermit would stop sending > updates to the screen. It would just accumulate any incoming > data from the host into a buffer, then send it to the screen later > when the user hits ^Q. The difference between 4 and 5 is that > in 5 the host also gets notified, so there is a chance that the buffer > will not overflow. In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Accumulating into a buffer is what triggers almost all flow control activity: it reaches a high or low water mark. For snappy flow control response reduce the capacity of the comms channel. Too much storage capacity will result in lost bytes, with no way to prevent that from occuring (except buy a faster PC). > > On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit > last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. > I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used > another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. > The Unix machine was set for no flow control. > I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, > then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started > appearing in the window on my Unix machine. > Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. > Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until > it received a ^Q? I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 14:04:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:04:55 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Erik: > >The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME >is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit >which you do not want to do. No I'm not willing to compromise our system security to rename a file! :) >The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename >on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file >with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very >start. > >SEND oldname newname > >has exactly the same result as > >SEND oldname >REMOTE RENAME oldname newname But it is not "exactly" the same result, is it? One creates a file called "newname" from the start. The other only creates "newname" after the entire file is successfully sent (assuming that REMOTE RENAME isn't done "if failure"). The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my automatic process to pick up received files on the remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent or not successfully sent. It only picks up files with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions get released? Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 07:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wmichgw!x93aroor From: x93aroor@wmich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Date: 7 Dec 94 11:32:12 EDT Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of kermit for 1) MS-Dos 2) Windows 3) Vax/Vms Thanks in advance -Chandru From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 03:14:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!world!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!lippens From: lippens@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Rick Lippens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Date: 8 Dec 1994 03:14:41 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c5tn1$qcp@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: access.mbnet.mb.ca Summary: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So, are Kermit and Miss Piggy still going out or what? Just curious.... Jim Kirk From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:59:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!henson!evelyn From: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) Subject: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Western Washington University Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 04:59:58 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new p.c.'s. Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. Thank you, Evelyn -- |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (206) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 06:09:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 10 Dec 1994 06:09:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3cbgne$od2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my >automatic process to pick up received files on the >remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent >or not successfully sent. It only picks up files >with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Not to be obnoxious, but its about time you explained why you needed this. >Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, >so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! >BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions >get released? It depends on how much time we have to program. And how many additional features need to be added. It was about 1.5 years between 5A(189) and 5A(190). Its really hard to say. In the meantime, I suggest that you use the SEND oldname newname mechanism with delete on failure. And then, code your other task to never copy a file unless it can open it with exclusive write access which should fail while the file transfer is occuring. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:59:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.225915.35079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 22:59:15 MDT References: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) writes: > Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are > rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently > acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server > is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between > the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new > p.c.'s. > Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved > if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information > needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. ----------------- Which communications pathway? Did you revise DOS memory management for the new hardware? Patch level of MSK? Disk caching program really ok? You might try logging the packets on both sides (LOG PACKET command to see who said what to whom). Any other reasonble details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 09:41:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:41:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:40:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Date: 8 Dec 1994 09:41:35 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3822 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52114 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3743 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1331 comp.lang.c++:96747 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Sirs, I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported by the package. If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the following matters, please share them with me! - Kermit under MS-Windows - communication libraries for MS-Windows Sincerely, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 23:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with ansi Date: 7 Dec 1994 23:45:17 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3c5hed$pkk@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying out kermits new ansi support and am having a problem with it dropping characters, (the same ones each time) (usually spaces) I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it or if anyone knows if it will be corrected in the release version. Also, I am trying to get kermit to work with M. Dudley's Doorway program, thus far I have been able to redefine the keys so those work, the only problem i have now is the remote printing. Is there a way to get kermit to work with it? I know that kermit does work with the VT102 transparernt printing, im wondering if a) Kermit can be setup to work with the doorway method : ie ( ESC[r;nnnP ) where r is the Local LPT port (ie 0=LPT1, 1=LPT2, 2=LPT3) where nnn (or nn, or n) is the Length of (nnn must be between 1 and 255) where is the text to be printed If anyone has an answer or even a direction to look in please either reply or email me at: mike@panther.fiu.edu I would GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciate it!!!! :) Thanks mike@panther.fiu.edu Mike Langevin From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:40:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 10:40:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > > I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what... > > I am trying to use 3.14 Beta-14 with FTP Software PC/TCP 3.0 to connect > from my laptop to my Unix system. The laptop is a Toshiba 1950CS, with > a Xircom PCMCIA ethernet adapter. The Unix system is a DECsystem 5000/50, > running Ultrix 4.4. > > When I first start the system, I can reach the Ultrix system with all of > the normal PC/TCP utilities (ping, tn, rlogin, etc). I then start kermit, > and give it what I think are the minimum configuration commands to get it > working over TCP/IP: > > set tcp addr 193.72.200.10 > set tcp host 193.72.200.7 > con > > It connects, and everything seems just fine. But after I log out, and > terminate kermit, none of the PC/TCP utilities work any more! If I try > to ping the Unix system, I get "ARP failed", and nothing I have tried can > get this working again, short of rebooting the laptop. But if I start > kermit again, I can still connect to the Unix system! I'm really very > confused... -------------- The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still using all the TCP/IP material. If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:12:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 11 Dec 1994 13:12:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up my transfer. I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character unprefixing. Thank You From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:43:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:43:36 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 58 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1335 comp.protocols.ppp:7717 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Preface ------- I've read comp.protocols.kermit.misc, comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, and comp.protocols.ppp for months. I've read _Using MS-DOS Kermit: Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, 2nd Edition, by Christine M. Gianone. I've read README files. I've read "beware" files. I've read 'til I've felt like I never wanted to turn on my PC again. I've spoken to people who don't know what PPP is, but who, despite their ignorance, have installed it, "configured" it, and run Mosaic, Netscape, Trumpet, Eudora, POPMail, and numerous other TCP/IP applications for Microsoft Windows with it. I've been told, "I downloaded a file from [name of Internet service provider deleted] and typed `INSTALL' at the Run menu, then just started using it." ("It" is a program that reads mail and USENET news, allows you to connect to remote sites, provides a means of transferring files from remote archives, browses the World Wide Web, graphically and sonorously, tunnels through Gopher space, fingers other people, pings other places, and does the dishes.) I own a 20MHz, i80386SX PC with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive. I deleted Microsoft Windows 3.0 from my machine long ago. I've been present on the Internet for several years. I was Assistant Manager of the Internet SIG on DELPHI during its earliest days. My employer thinks I'm a computer programmer. I got good grades in school. Most of the time, I don't _feel_ stupid. I admire the teachings of Joe Doupnik and marvel at his prolific contributions to these news groups. I admit I've never understood anything he's written. I don't know why, but I want to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP connection instead of using Telemate 4.12 to dial up my UNIX shell account. I guess I just don't want to feel left out. Question -------- Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) connection? If so, how? Exactly. Acknowledgments --------------- Thank you all, in advance, for spending many hours of your valuable time helping to make my dream of a better life on the 'Net come true. --- Jim Monty Home: (602) 839-5421 monty@indirect.com Work: (602) 598-0183 jimmonty@delphi.com monty@aztec.asu.edu James_T_..Monty.andersen_wo@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 available Message-Id: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 19:33:19 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-15 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, 11 December 1994, 7:36pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-14 include: . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. . Fixed VT220/320 Protected Fields again . 132-column scroll vs SET TERM VIDEO BIOS bug fixed. . Correct handling of TELNET Data Mark (IAC DM). . Fixed problem with SET TRANSLATION KEY {ON, OFF}. . Kanji bug with SET TERM VIDEO BIOS fixed. . New mappings for special keys of the Japanese DOS/V Kanji 106 keyboard. . Changed ? help message for internal DIAL command. . \freplace(...) function added (see KERMIT.UPD) . SET TERM GRAPHICS VESA (800x600) added (ditto) . Graphics-screen dump to TIFF lost some color info - shades of gray, etc -- now fixed. As yet unresolved is a problem with apparent premature timeouts reading packets under DDK conditions (regular length packets, printable start of packet character, heavy echoing of what's sent, interspersal of cursor commands and packets, etc). Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:18:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Message-Id: <1994Dec11.211829.35179@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:18:29 MDT References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) writes: > I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make > my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard > using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, > but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up > my transfer. > > I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character > unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me > and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone > can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly > am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character > unprefixing. ---------------- It's a good question, and one asked (and answered) so frequently that we really do need an FAQ. Here are two suggestions. First, read more about it in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta docs, binary file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. Second, long packets, plus a few sliding windows slots, brings you very good performance. Be sure to use adequate flow control everywhere, preferrably hardware RTS/CTS on the PC+modem. Not all hosts or comms channels can take lots of bytes in a row so back off if things fail. For the utmost performance at high risk you may start unprefixing control codes via the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX command; use only at your own risk. Remember that the other end has to play along. It may well be that other end has neither long packet nor sliding windows capabilities. If so this is an excellent time to upgrade the most likely ancient C Kermit on the Sun to the modern C Kermit v5A(190). That has all the bells and whistles. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd c-kermit, explore, raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:23:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:23:11 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jt50@jambo.cc.columbia.edu (Jess Ting) writes: > > I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when > the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when > I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need > to quit Kermit and restart it. > > In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions > perfectly well after it is restarted. ---------- Mr. Gate's outfit needs to address that one. Windows fakes the real hardware to the DOS box, so Kermit sees what Windows wants it to see and Windows itself deals with the actual hardware. That's what these .386 VxD's are about (faking the machine, in lieu of a real kernel). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 04:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns1.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Date: 12 Dec 1994 04:51:44 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu's message of 9 Dec 1994 01:06:27 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed to initialize and/or self test. ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version of ARCETHER and command line did you use? -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | What part of "Congress shall make no law" eludes Congress? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 19:52:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is Kermit? Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:52:00 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3c53p0$1av@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> x93aroor@wmich.edu writes: > Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of >kermit for >1) MS-Dos >2) Windows >3) Vax/Vms The best source for Kermit files is the "official" source, kermit.columbia.edu. It permits anonymous ftp access and has copious README files to guide your journey through its many files and directories. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 09:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:04:30 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I noted an inconsistency (or bug?). The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: define TELNET - set flow none,- set port tcp \%1 \%2,- pause 0, if fail end 1,- if def \%3 set term type \%3,- if succ c and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet term-type". -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:08:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3chlh1$cl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do >with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I >noted an inconsistency (or bug?). ... the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > >set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet >term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). > Well, as the accompanying comment says, it's only a sample, which you should adjust for the host(s) you are actually using, e.g.: set telnet term-type vt220,- telnet myhost,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) Kermit sends its actual terminal type during TELNET negotiations UNLESS you have given a SET TELNET TERM command, which overrides the actual terminal type, but only for the purposes of telling the TELNET server what kind of terminal type you have. This is useful, for example, if Kermit's terminal type is VT320, but the host knows the same terminal by a different name, such as VT300, and does not recognize Kermit's terminal name. >When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- >expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- >the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > I checked this just now and it didn't happen to me. Probably you just continued the same session, and the terminal type was not renegotiated? >BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." >Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet >term-type". > You're right, we'll fix it. Thanks! - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:48:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3chnrk$gfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1343 comp.protocols.ppp:7728 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) >connection? If so, how? Exactly. > This question is asked a lot, and we don't yet have an answer. I hope you get a definitive response, because until now all attempts that I have heard about to do this have resulted in failure or hung PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:52:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:52:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3cho4b$guh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Hung Chau wrote: >I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make >my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. ... > Rather than repost the long tutorial on this subject (again), I have put it as the first entry in a new Frequently Asked Questions file: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 09:59:22 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? > I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they > only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, > and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. > The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. > > I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. > Here are my questions: > > 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC > and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out > the serial port to the host? Yes. INCOMING means flow control bytes to/incoming Kermit on the PC, OUTGOING means from/outgoing from the PC to the remote host, and XON/XOFF means in both directions. > 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during > terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? > And is it the same during TRANSMIT? Transport channels service all higher layers the same way. Recall that flow control is a datalink affair, not high level operation. > 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q > characters on to the host, without further processing? > This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. That's a host problem, yes? > 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? The host must stop sending, then the screen will have nothing new to display. > 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? > This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. See 4. > 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host > if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, > then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? > This is also the way a real VT-100 works. > In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the > host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? That's the essence of flow control. OUTGOING or XON/XOFF does exactly this. Kermit has a several hundred byte cushion, but modems and host buffers and other comms storage may exceed that. Kermit does not stop working when it sends and XOFF to the host, so overrun is a gradual effect. A real VT100 is much slower than MSK and has only a few bytes of cushion. > 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from > the host, then not send any data to the host until the host > sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user > type without Kermit losing any? > > 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is > just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. > What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host > as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending > when the host sends a ^Q? Again, basic flow control. The host is sending the XON/XOFF flow control bytes. Deduction: use SET FLOW INCOMING or XON/XOFF. > 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish > for having missed it. We don't offer a tutorial in basic datacomms so all these details are not explained in the user's manual. The actions are, but not the way you ask the questions. > 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled > in the source code? Serial comms are in file msxibm.asm. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 04:04:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec7.100450.34785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 10:04:50 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Mike Smith writes: > I've got a user who complains that he gets the error > > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports > > when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this > happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone > suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? > Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that > is important. ---------------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS is rational only for the hardware serial ports, COM1..4. If Windows messes up and Kermit can't verify the IRQ then Kermit uses the Bios pathway, and that's not hardware. I wish there were one piece of advice we could offer on using any serial comms program in Windows, but (aside from "please don't") there isn't. Windows provides ample facilities to fail, both by overdriving the lesser UART chips (8250 class) and by inadequate Windows serial drivers as well as not giving enough service time to the real serial hardware. I guess as close as we will come is if the port fails then slow down. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:46:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 6 Dec 1994 12:16:26 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous releases) running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup (HUP) signal. Thanks, Dave Pearse Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 06:05:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:35:31 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c0uvb$5di@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 08:49:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:19:21 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c3suh$75t@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 05:37:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:37:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cjbus$gmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au>, Mayne Nickless wrote: >We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous >releases) >running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using >the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray >network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for >any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have >traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup >(HUP) signal. > This is probably because most Unix systems automatically kill the shell when the HUP signal is received. Killing the shell kills all child processing (ie, kermit). Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 01:00:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 8 Dec 1994 01:00:18 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3c5lr2$1e7@news-2.csn.net> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: No, I didn't (blush) but: : Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as : either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and : modems"), The line is configured as such, and works for cu and for dialin. : Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about : this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), : or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: : "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), : etc. I don't have a .kermrc. Can you give me a hint what would cause DSR and CTS signals to be missing? I'll look for the bidirectional discussion. I have used this line bidirectionally, so that may be a good lead. What confuses me is that it *was* working (although VERY slowly) at one time, and then *something* changed and now it doesn't. I don't know what the *something* is, but the fact that it used to work would seem to indicate that it's not a version problem, or anything that hasn't changed in the meantime. I don't *think* it's the modem, because I've switched modems since then and it didn't change anything. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 22:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Divide Overflow Date: 7 Dec 1994 17:51:44 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 22:07:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:07:07 GMT Expires: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >using all the TCP/IP material. Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it works just fine. Thanks for the help. > If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >SET PORT BIOS1. This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. jw From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 14 00:12:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!hermes.oc.com!convex!not-for-mail From: hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:12:30 -0600 Organization: CONVEX News Network, Engineering (cnn.eng), Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.convex.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the > words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a > way to turn it off? > Thanks a lot. I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible to read. -- Wesley Hart "Optimism -- The belief that everything Software Product Engineer will work out well. Irrational; hart@bach.convex.com bordering on insane" Phone: (214)497-4501 -- The Armageddon Factor From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 07:57:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Date: 14 Dec 1994 02:57:46 -0500 Organization: Meemi Selfand Ink Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post (dated 5 Dec 1994): ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not be erased. -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 21:44:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!yale!CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU!STAMANDP From: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Paul St. Amand) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) log session file type? Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:44:02 GMT Organization: Central Connecticut State University, New Britian, CT Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3c5ab2$69o@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've noticed that when I "log session this.txt" under edit 190 that the file record format type under VMS has changed from These are the file attributes from 5A(189) OLD_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17226,34,0) Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control These are the file attributes from 5A(190) NEW_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17500,18,0) Record format: Stream, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control All the log files have a at the start of the lines and the stream record format causes and extra linefeed on the printed output. What changed the record format from stream_lf to Stream and why? Any easy way around this? Thanks, -Paul St. Amand +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Paul R. St. Amand | INTERNET stamandp@ccsu.ctstateu.edu ITT Hartford, Investment Div. | DECNET(ctstateu) CCSU::STAMANDP Central Connecticut State University | (203)843-4117 (Business) UPE Beta Chapter of Connecticut, CCSU| | Disclaimer: These comments are mine and do not reflect the administration From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:46:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:01 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Script question X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:46:14 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... do until input = string Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 15:45:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!coastal.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 10 Dec 1994 15:45:18 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coastal.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1358 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9529 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into a problem with both programs wanting complete control of the port. Is there a way to get either program to share the port? Ideally, I would get slip to look like an external protocol, but at this point I'd be happy with kermit acting as a slip dialer. Thanks! --kyler From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 03:01:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: <1994Dec10.090145.35091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 09:01:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1359 comp.protocols.ppp:7770 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) > connection? If so, how? Exactly. ----------- The indications are that "etherppp" provides an Ethernet Packet Driver interface to applications. I phrase this as indications because I've never been able to get etherppp to avoid hanging my PC as it installs itself in memory. If you get it to install cleanly then treat it as an Ethernet (which kind???, hopefully DIX/Ethernet_II/regular) Packet Driver. By default Kermit will look for a Packet Driver when its internal TCP/IP stack begins. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:14:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 10 Dec 1994 16:14:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cck4j$cbs@sundog.tiac.net> References: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is >equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Great. This may be just what I need. I'll try binding it to the appropriate key. >> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit >> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. >> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used >> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. >> The Unix machine was set for no flow control. >> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, >> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started >> appearing in the window on my Unix machine. >> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. >> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until >> it received a ^Q? > I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. >Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the >Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something >to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking >through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). I'll try this and report back if there is a problem. I have a tester on the serial line so I can tell if a character got sent out the serial port or not. Thanks for the details, Joe! --Mike Ciaraldi (now an even-more-satisfied Kermit user) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 10:06:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.hana.nm.kr!sun330.snu.ac.kr!usenet From: u3311007@power3.snu.ac.kr () Subject: Binary Transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Sender: usenet@sun330.snu.ac.kr (NEWS POSTER) Nntp-Posting-Host: 147.46.10.27 Organization: SNU,KOREA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:06:56 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I'm using C-Kermit 5A. But there some problem in transfering binary files. When I transfer binary file from another internet site, the size of the file becomes larger! even if I set the parameters right. > set file type binary I don't know the version of the remote kermit. please tell me what is the problem. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 21:02:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!josv From: jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) Subject: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: Sender: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Reply-To: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Organization: X/OS Experts in Open Systems, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 21:02:19 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this feature? -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems | Telephone: +31 20 6420481 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Facsimile: +31 20 6145474 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:36:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Transfer Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3cmvtu$agt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr>, wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A. >But there some problem in transfering binary files. >When I transfer binary file from another internet site, >the size of the file becomes larger! >even if I set the parameters right. > >> set file type binary > >I don't know the version of the remote kermit. > >please tell me what is the problem. > It is hard to say without knowing which software is on the other end. The general rule for modern Kermit software is: give the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY to the file sender and it will automatically tell the file receiver that the transfer mode is binary. But since you do not know which software is on the other end, it is possible that this software does not support the transfer-mode notification feature. Therefore, when in doubt, tell BOTH Kermit programs to SET FILE TYPE BINARY. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:39:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script question Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cn02p$akt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Archimedes L. Trajano wrote: >I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... > >do > >until input = string > It is relatively easy to "compile" constructions like this "by hand". :LOOP INPUT IF FAIL GOTO LOOP - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cn099$avf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1365 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9590 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Kyler Laird wrote: >I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and >the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. >The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call >ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I >execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into >a problem with both programs wanting complete control >of the port. > This will be possible in version 5A(191) of OS/2 C-Kermit, which should be available for testing fairly soon. Version 5A(191) is expected to contain only OS/2-specific enhancements, and therefore will probably be released only for OS/2. Watch this newsgroup for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:46:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:46:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3cn0fo$b62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jos Vos wrote: >One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator >which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature >of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) >support this feature? > MS-DOS Kermit, which is also the only Kermit program that we recommend or support for Windows, does support this feature. You should try MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, since version 3.14 supports it better than did previous releases, by addition of \Kverbs (\KudkF6..F20) specifically for the UDKs, which you can assign to the keys or key-combos of your choice. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME file to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:53:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:53:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3cn0te$bpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, Wesley Hart wrote: >In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? > >I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >to read. > If your newsreader is like mine, it displays the subject not as "highlighted" text, but rather as "underlined" text. But color PC video adapters do not support an underlined attribute, so MS-DOS Kermit displays underlined text in a distinct fore/background color combination. In version 3.13, it chose these colors automatically, based on the regular fore/background colors. In version 3.14 (still in Beta), we have a new command, SET TERMINAL UNDERSCORE, to let you choose the underscore-simulation colors yourself. The syntax is the same as with SET TERMINAL COLOR. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:04:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Message-Id: <1994Dec14.090409.35416@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:04:08 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. > I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post > (dated 5 Dec 1994): > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" > ---snip--- > > As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt > towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are > erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not > be erased. ------------ That's odd, because this sequence works properly here using Beta-15. The screen shows only the words "background" after erasure. Maybe you should turn on debugging (SET DEBUG ON) to see what the host is actually sending. Or make a short test file and REPLAY it locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:13:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec14.091300.35417@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:13:00 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) writes: > > Hello Joe: > > Another window-ish question: > > Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually > Novells. > > We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which > can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). > > Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions > when using Winsock? -------------- I'd like to say "there's only one" but that would not be entirely fair. While at DOS level outside of Windows (not the DOS box) load Novell's TELAPI after starting their TCP/IP stack. MS-DOS Kermit can use that while in Windows, via SET PORT BIOSn, or SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), or SET PORT NOVELL(NASI), or with a simple assistance of macro "telapi" such as def telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov (run as Kermit command telapi host.domain). I think I need to remind readers that many "winsock" interfaces are but a thin layer which reaches down to a TCP/IP stack loaded as a DOS TSR. Not all, but many. So the attraction is more glitter (memory hogging, more software to pass through for every byte) than one might suspect. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Date: 14 Dec 94 19:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: set duplex f set duplex f set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. Thanks again, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:27:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!inibara.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@inibara.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 19:27:43 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: inibara-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm a big fan of Joe and Frank's work with MS-Kermit. However, I am typing this using Commo 6.0, because its screen updating speed is magnitudes better than MS-Kermit 3.14 on my puny XT clone. (I'm on a 14.4k dialup connection to Columbia U.) Previously I've written on how Telix's screen updating is better than Kermit's as well, but Commo blows them both out of the water! I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? And yes, I have SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING DIRECT (the default) on--it's pretty painful if set to BIOS. Pleaes note this is not a complaint in any way--Kermit's rock-solid emulation and other features is a big, big plus. Consider it more of a wish for the future. Thanks! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 19:23:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:35:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:34:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:23:01 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I reported this problem earlier, but got no replies. I'm running ... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, And have a macro to send a file like this... send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a There are some other commands in the macro besides this, but the file pointed to by the logical SENDFILE_LOCAL is about 700 blocks and this send is exiting in a split second and saying that it worked fine! I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit anything?? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:22:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 14 Dec 1994 21:22:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3cnnnf$14d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works >fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say >it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit >anything?? Sounds like a possible bug. I would need more info, such as a DEBUG LOG file to be able to see what is happening. Create two log files: 1) done manually. 2) done with the macro and send them to me or kermit@columbia.edu for examination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:42:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!blue!cs932070 From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: disable dial display X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 04:42:36 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I remove the dial progress dialog in C-Kermit? SET DIAL DISPLAY OFF removes the modem responses, but I want it so that nothing appears on the screen when I dial. Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:38:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec10.223845.35130@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 22:38:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) writes: > One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator > which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature > of VT220 terminals. > > Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this > feature? --------------- For a rather complete list of features and their explainations may I direct you to the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." In there you will find that MS-DOS Kermit has supported DEC UDK's for years. Full details of the book ident are given on screen two of the Kermit HELP command. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program which runs fine also in DOS boxes of Windows, NT and OS/2. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:30:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!not-for-mail From: itspaul@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Paul Velardo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 14 Dec 1994 15:30:18 -0600 Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unix1.sncc.lsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. We have tried the SET KEY option with many different designations and nothing seems to work properly. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks, PAUL From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 00:52:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 00:52:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. >Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? > I'll have to take your word that Commo updates your screen faster than Kermit does, but on my own PC (on which I usually run MS-DOS Kermit under plain DOS over an Ethernet connection), it's hard to imagine how the screen updates could possibly be any faster. If I (for example) refresh the EMACS screen that I'm in right now by typing Ctrl-L, the entire screen is painted instantaneously). So I would say that the screen-updating method is not a bottleneck. On slow PCs, the CPU is a likely bottleneck. In that case, you are looking at tradeoffs. Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to bet) than Commo's emulator. A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal compared to ANSI or VT100. Also, I wonder if Commo runs in an MS-Windows window? Kermit does, and must take additional steps in order to do so. Back in the old days, when XTs were current, MS-DOS Kermit was a lot smaller and did less. Like PCs and all the other software that runs on them, it has grown with the times. But at least it still runs on XTs, which is something you probably can't say about most other popular PC software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:02:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:02:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co4if$j88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>, Paul Velardo wrote: >We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator... > You mean VT220? >to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. >We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete >key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. > The Delete key sends the Delete character (\127) unless you tell it otherwise. The other common choice is Backspace (\8). If neither of these work for you, then you are probably facing a host or application that wants something else. Kermit does not know what your application wants -- it is up to you to make them agree. The trick is to either: (a) Find out what the application wants and then use SET KEY to assign the desired sequence to the desired key, or: (b) Reconfigure the application to accept a different character as a destructive backspace. Some applications actually want you to send the following sequence in order to do a destructive backspace: \8\32\8 - try that. Or try the arrow-key equivalent, \27OD\32\27OD, or \27[D\32\27[D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:32:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!namaste.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:32:53 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3co6c5$lis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: namaste-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: |Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to |bet) than Commo's emulator. No disagreements here, though Commo's VT102 emulation is better than most. |A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal |compared to ANSI or VT100. I've tried SET TERM VT102, but it doesn't seem any faster than in VT320 mode . . . -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 23:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:00:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 02:57:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 02:57:35 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> >>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>> way to turn it off? >>> Thanks a lot. >> >> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >> to read. >--------- > So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >prefer. Did I miss a point here? > Joe D. Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:27:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:27:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3cpjo4$jq4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu > >P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I >also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. No, of course, it isn't supposed to happen. But you are the first person whom I am hearing it from. I am running 190 on WARP without problems. What are you doing when you type Ctrl-C? And contact me off line about this because newsfeeds are just too slow. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:50:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:50:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cpl3r$l74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu>, Eeyore wrote: >In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >>> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >>>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>>> way to turn it off? >>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >>> to read. >>So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >>prefer. Did I miss a point here? > > Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL > COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. > This kind of confusion comes up because of the delays inherent in news. This question was already asked and answered, but you evidently did not see the answer before posting the question, but by now you probably have seen the answer, so I don't think I need to post it again. Please wait a couple days and if you still haven't seen it, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: naive script writing question Message-Id: <1994Dec15.140011.35538@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:00:10 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: > > def portal - > set flow rts/cts - > d {portal} - > if fail end 1 - > c - > pause 2 - > out \15 - > etc. > > However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. > > How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? ---------- Commas denote "end of line" in macros. It's in the fine manual, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:10:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.141031.35539@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:10:30 MDT References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu><1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 98 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >>>>>> "b" == bruce writes: > > b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu > b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: > b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're > b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to > b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, > > Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the > main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with > terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this > works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the > 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing > kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) > does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to > put a status line. Oh yes it does. See below for the DEC way of handling this. > Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased > or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the Huh? The status line does not scroll, as noted. Maybe your termcap/ terminfo structures need a little spiffing up. > screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status > line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice > to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If > there's a way there's a will (mine). > > b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to > b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get > b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. > > Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates > vt420? > > Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be > thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly > for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what > functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series > terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a > reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). -------------- Some reading material for you, as two excerpts. From MS-DOS Kermit documentation file MSVIBM.VT - CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Other extensions: CSI 25; Pc f VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. CSI 25; Pc H VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. Leave the same way as you went in. (These will disable Kermit's own status line.) ------------ From the top of file MS-DOS Kermit source code file MSZIBM.ASM - ; References: ; "PT200 Programmers Reference Guide", 1984, Prime Computer # DOC 8621-001P ; "Video Terminal Model H19, Operation", 1979, Heath Company # 595-2284-05 ; "VT100 User's Guide", 2nd ed., Jan 1979, DEC # EK-VT100-UG ; "Rainbow 100+/100B Terminal Emulation Manual", June 1984, DEC # QV069-GZ ; "Installing and Using The VT320 Video Terminal", June 1987, ; DEC # EK-VT320-UU-001 ; "VT320 Programmer Reference Manual", July 1987, DEC # EK-VT320-RM-001 ; "VT330/340 Programmer Ref Manual", 2nd ed, May 1988, ; Vol 1: Text programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-TP-002 ; Vol 2: Graphics programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-GP-002 ; "Programming the Display Terminal: Models D217, D413, and D463", Data ; General Corp, 014-00211-00, 1991. ; "Installing and Operating Your D216E+, D217, D413, and D463 Display ; Terminals", Data General Corp, 014-002057-01, 1991. ; "Dasher D470C Color Display Terminal, Programmer's Reference Manual", ; Data General Corp, 014-001015, 1984. ; "WY-50 Display Terminal Quick-Reference Guide", Wyse Technology, ; Wyse No. 88-021-01, 1983. ---------------------------------- I don't have a VT420, nor the documentation on it ($$$); it takes both to emulate successfully. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:07:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:07:59 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com In-Reply-To: bruce@ais.com's message of 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "b" == bruce writes: b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to put a status line. Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If there's a way there's a will (mine). b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates vt420? Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Displaying accented characters Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:26:23 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 21:36:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17213 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!commando!rja From: rja@sispro.sis.rpslmc.edu (Roger J. Allen) Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.213618.15190@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: siss81.rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:36:18 GMT Lines: 106 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kendall thomason shaw (kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com) wrote: : Hello, : I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to : have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 : screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 : screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi : will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they : write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with : the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status : line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with : termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd : be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: : de|vt320|vt320-am|dec vt320:\ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ I use a different term type for Kermit and VT320 since kermit is just an emulation. I did not want to break the real vt320. : :co#80:li#50:\ ^^ Try 49 here. : :le=^H:\ : :am:bs:\ : :ke=\E[?1l\E>:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\ : :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:kd=\EOB:ku=\EOA:\ : :kb=^H:\ : :ho=\E[H:\ : :k4=\EOS:k3=\EOR:k2=\EOQ:k1=\EOP:\ Do you use the vt300.ini script? You can define LOTS of function keys that way. : :xn:vt#3:pt:\ : :sc=\E7:\ : :rc=\E8:\ : :im=\E[4h:\ : :ei=\E[4l:\ : :mi:\ : :dc=\E[P:\ : :ed=:dm=:\ : :al=\E[L:\ : :dl=\E[M:\ : :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\ : :sf=\ED:\ : :sr=\EM:\ : :ce=\E[K:\ : :cl=\E[H\E[J:\ : :cd=\E[J:\ : :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ : :nd=\E[C:\ : :up=\E[A:\ : :so=\E[7m:\ : :se=\E[27m:\ : :us=\E[4m:\ : :ue=\E[24m:\ : :md=\E[1m:\ : :mr=\E[7m:\ : :mb=\E[5m:\ : :me=\E[m:\ : :is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\ ^^ ^^ try a scrolling region of 49 here. : :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:\ : :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$:\ : :fs=\E[0$}:\ : :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[k:\ : :hs:es:\ : :do=^J: Here is what I have for the mode line stuff: :hs:ts=\E7\E[50;1H:fs=\E[K\E[H\E8: This lets "statline" and other apps access the mode line, display text, erase to end of line, and go back to where it came from. I did not use "es" because I seem to remember that it did not like some escape sequences (or maybe it was tabs) in the mode line, but I might have just copied a different termcap entry and did not test if "es" would work. I also left out the "ds". I don't remember if I did not need a "ds" or if I was not able to find a way to disable the status line. There are probably lots of other ways to do this. For instance, you can change the color if that suits you. -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 : -- : Kendall Shaw "!" : (415)364-asdf : kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:31:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: naive script writing question Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:31:36 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: def portal - set flow rts/cts - d {portal} - if fail end 1 - c - pause 2 - out \15 - etc. However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:24:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Message-Id: <1994Dec15.142434.35541@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:24:34 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented > characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions > standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set > transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I > still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, > but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. --------------- Ah yes. The writer is using a different display character set than you are, and the transmission software had not a clue about how to deal with character sets. At the risk of preaching to the choir, Kermits know how to deal with this cleanly and effectively, for terminal emulation and file transfer. You did not indicate which platform you were using to read the traffic so advice is a little limited here. May I suggest trying MSK on a DOS machine, and change your DOS Code Page to match the other end (try CP850 first, versus the default CP437). The finer points of character sets and Kermits are explained at length in the user's manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit." Worth reading more about it, as we keep saying to people. Btw, the terms "standard-european-display" and "iso-accent-mode" are extremely vague when referring to character sets. Please read our manuals to obtain a firmer grip than Emacs can exert. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 02:16:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!tali.hsc.colorado.edu!boulder!csnews!alumni.cs.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: reverse video and c-kermit Date: 16 Dec 1994 02:16:07 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cqt97$32i@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.cs.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i connect to the net by dial-up connection to a bsd machine, through c-kermit 5A(190). occasionally, i need to telnet to an SGI machine running irix4 (i believe), and running as its newsreader nn. when i do so, if i invoke the news reader, i am thrown into reverse video on my home machine. is there any way, while in c-kermit, to issue a command that will return me to reverse video, while still in nn remotely? or is is a problem to be dealt with in the underlying machine softare, rather than thorugh c-kermit? -- -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:42:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:42:22 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ryan J. Maley wrote: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? I had this problem and I upgraded to the latest versions and it went away. I don't use the define/user sys$input sys$command and it works fine. I don't have the versions with me at this moment but if you mail me I'll send them to you tomorrow. I'm running on a VAX 3100 and an Alpha AXP. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:44:54 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com>, James Sturdevant wrote: >Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: > >: ... >: And have a macro to send a file like this... > >: send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a > >Try this: > asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) > send \%f \%a > >There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable >names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) > Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not the problem anyway. Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just "read") open. If it's closed send works fine. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 15:59:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:59:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3csdh4$ge5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: > >Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented >characters (irish)... > You do? I though LISTSERV was strictly 7-bit. Maybe you have a mail agent that encodes and decodes 8-bit characters? >...and I see in emacs there are functions >standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set >transfer character-set latin1... > That's for file transfer, not terminal emulation. Please read the manual (info below). >...but this does not change anything, I >still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, >but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. > In MS-DOS Kermit (3.00 or later): SET PARITY NONE SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET NONE In EMACS 19.xx (not 18.xx or earlier): (require 'disp-table) (standard-display-8bit 160 255) (load "iso-syntax") (load "iso-insert") (set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) (nth 1 (current-input-mode)) 0) This assumes that the message really contains Latin-1 characters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 12:11:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC Initiation Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:11:11 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? Thanks |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 02:37:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Message-Id: <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 08:37:11 MDT References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: > In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? >> Thanks a lot. > > I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like > kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible > to read. --------- So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you prefer. Did I miss a point here? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 23:42:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: kermit on a apple][+ Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:42:58 GMT Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu anyone use kermit on an apple][+? I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:55:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: send-init packet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:55:09 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 13:48:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Dec 94 19:48:52 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hi: > > We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX > system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. > I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking > honors. > > The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from > Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF > distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize > it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what > "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they > return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer > seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response > to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the > connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON > looking for clues, but no luck. > > The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. > Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise > Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs > say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time > is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent > luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other > apps. anyhow. > > When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine > even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. > > Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, > etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. > Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group > would be most welcome. -------------- Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the connection was just fine. A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 14:59:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:59:16 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking honors. The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON looking for clues, but no luck. The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other apps. anyhow. When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group would be most welcome. Thanks in advance & Happy Holidays! Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 04:08:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec14.100818.35424@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 10:08:17 MDT References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >>using all the TCP/IP material. > > Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read > about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously > not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what > it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit > and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to > think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just > shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, > I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting > kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it > works just fine. Thanks for the help. > >> If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >>SET PORT BIOS1. > > This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first > tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the > command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change > the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but > it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: > > tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect > > This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately > says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the > commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit > myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By > the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the > difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was > written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. --------------- Works here, but without the "-i" option. That option is supposed to keep the Telnet session open until the external terminal emulator loads (which makes sense, but why would we need a option for something as necessary as this?), and sends an Int 14h init command. If I include the -i option then the connection is closed by the time the terminal emulation screen comes up, else it stays open. Go figure. The same thing happens with MSK 3.13. Please follow directions from the vendor of the product you are using. For Tnglass follow those of FTP Software Inc for tnglass options of the version you have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 20:53:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:27:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MAC Kermit? Date: 16 Dec 1994 20:53:40 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? Where is the latest version located, and old is it? Thanks Chuck -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer Home: (419) 362-1716 CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 17:51:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!frank From: frank@pauling.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Date: 14 Dec 1994 17:51:16 GMT Organization: Wadsworth Center, NY Health Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: sirius.wadsworth.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Frank -- _________________________________________________________________________ Frank Hsia __. Sr. Computer Programmer/Analyst phone: (518) 473-0773 __/ | Wadsworth Center, Room D-420 fax: (518) 474-8590 /___ *| New York State Dept of Health frank@wadsworth.ph.albany.edu \_| _ P.O. Box 509 Frank.Hsia@wadsworth.org ~~ Albany, New York 12201-0509 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 08:34:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:34:31 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94348.133431HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) says: >Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. >Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for >my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. >Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there >a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Try using DOS and MS-Kermit as shown in the following .BAT file to to convert the DOS capture file capfile.vt to capfile.txt: @Echo off REM Filename: FIXVT.BAT REM Purpose: DOS Batch code to remove escape sequences from VTxxx capture REM files using MS-Kermit as the working tool. REM By: Skip Knoble, Penn State Center for Academic Computing REM Input file: capfile.vt REM Output file: capfile.txt REM Platform: any PC and DOS that will run MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14 REM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- REM The character string, Esc OpenBracket ? 5 i when prepended to REM the VTxxx capture file is the code to "turn on" the PC Printer. REM Usage Note: REM You must replace the phrase "ESC OpenBracket " in the next echo REM statement with two contiguous characters: ASCII 27 ASCII 91 REM before running this .BAT REM file on your PC. This is only to REM allow this DOS algorithm to appear as NON-DOS printable prose. REM (With DOS 5.x 6.x "ESC" can be entered via DOS EDIT by pressing: REM Ctrl-P,Ctrl-OpenBracket. Before DOS 5.0 occurrences of "echo." can be REM replaced by "echo LineFeed" where LineFeed is the ASCII 10 character.) echo ESC OpenBracket ?5i > temp.txt copy temp.txt /b + capfile.vt /b > nul REM Append some linefeeds to the end to set up a message to end user. echo. >> temp.txt Echo ------- Text from CAPFILE.VT appears above this line ------- >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * 1 2 3 4 5 ) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Append that message and LF's to roll rest of replayed session off screen. echo Please press Alt-X now to return to DOS >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Invoke Kermit to convert the file temp.txt to capfile.txt REM Setting port BIOSn will allow MS-Kermit to do its thing, even while REM something else (e.g., SLIP driver)may be using COMn, without disturbing REM this COM port session. kermit -f nul, set port bios1, set print capfile.txt, replay temp.txt erase temp.txt if exist capfile.txt Echo Output file is capfile.txt. REM ---End FIXVT.BAT --- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:25:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 17 Dec 1994 13:25:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cuos6$bkp@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hung Chau (hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character : unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me : and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone : can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly : am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character : unprefixing. : Thank You Thank you to all those who send reply to me. There was simply too many people for me to write personal thank you note to. I was very surprised and well pleased that there were so many nice and wonderful people who went out of their way to help me. Again thank you very much everyone for you time and especially Frank da Cruz for "inventing" Kermit and Joe R. Doupnik for making MS-Kermit absolutely the best communication package in the PC world bar none. Hung Chau From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Could Ckermit(OS2) share(or release) com port to other program? Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:00:51 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to view 8-bit Chinese Characters in a DOS Chinese system, so I hope that I can switch to DOS com program when I want to see Chinese characters. But when ckermit active, I can not open other com program and when I close ckermit it will hang-up modem. Any suggestion? Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:31:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:31:35 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:23:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec12.072307.35190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:23:07 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > > ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't > initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version > of ARCETHER and command line did you use? --------------- As Russ indicates, Kermit does not understand Arcnet per se. Thus either run over an Arcnet to Ethernet Packet Driver, ARCETHER, or use ODI. Since NetWare is involved you are probably better advised to use ODI these days (and the VLMs etc of current shell technology). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:35:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Message-Id: <1994Dec12.073551.35191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:35:51 MDT References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do > with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I > noted an inconsistency (or bug?). > > The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: > > define TELNET - > set flow none,- > set port tcp \%1 \%2,- > pause 0, if fail end 1,- > if def \%3 set term type \%3,- > if succ c > > and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > > set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet > term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the > myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- > the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote > TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > > BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet > term-type". ----------- It's not your fault, it's ours. In reality the MSK command SET PORT TCP/IP acquires just two arguments: host and port number. It doesn't look for a terminal type. The way to use a different terminal type is SET TERMINAL TYPE kind or just SET TERMINAL kind. This will pass along to the host, upon request, the same terminal type spelling we see in commands. Here is the canned list, lifted from the code: "UNKNOWN","H-19","VT52","VT100","VT102","VT220","VT320", "TEK4014","VIP7809","PT200","D463","D470","wyse50","ANSI" As you point out, the program uses SET TCP/IP TERM-TYPE ident as the way to tell the host a different identication string than the default method. The docs will be modified to be clear and correct on both items. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 18:53:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:53:51 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ken.crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: snowbird.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Joe: Another window-ish question: Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually Novells. We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions when using Winsock? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 20:08:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Date: 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >> Hello, >> I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to >> have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 >> screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 >> screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi >> will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they >> write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with >> the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status >> line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with >> termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd >> be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: > ------------ > The last line, status, is an integral part of VT terminals. There > is no way of making that part of the regular screen. > Joe D. This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, although some implementations (eg, DECterm, a VT320-level implementation on DEC workstations) allow you to select the status line or not, and also allow you to set the size of the main screen (up to perhaps 72x132 or so being reasonable if you have a 1280x1024 screen), which gives you much the same capability that's being asked for here. However if the host software requests a status line, the DECterm will helpfully create it for you (keeping your main window the same size but possibly making the entire window too big to quite fit on the screen if you've made it big). The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to combine the status line with the main screen so that you get true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. It also allows you to set the terminal in 36 or 48-line modes, but I think those include a separate status line. I don't know offhand what the VT420 does with the "Select Status Line" commands if it's in 25x80 mode; the terminal I've usually experimented with for such questions is on the other side of town, and the documentation around here is vague on the subject. The subject of compatibility with VT-series status lines is rather subtle. I have yet to see any terminal emulator, commercial or otherwise (including Kermit and even DEC's Pathworks terminal emulator, I might add) that quite gets it all right. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:56:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:56:54 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not >the problem anyway. Oops! :) I spoke too quickly. I misread the "asg" and thought we were talking about an "askq"! My apologies. I most certainly could do that in batch mode. But the below is still truth... > >Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" >gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just >"read") open. If it's closed send works fine. > -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 21:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 17 Dec 1994 21:21:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > >If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. > >Ching-Mo The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:37:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!! How to set DTR ignore in kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:37:54 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3chqoi$7nm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connection to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore the DTR when exit (no hang up). I can dial-out no problem, but if I exit kermit, the modem will hang up. It is not what I want. Can anyone tell me how to set Kermit DTR ignore? Thank you for help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:27:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:27:12 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:32:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: <1994Dec17.083207.8056@eisner> Date: 17 Dec 94 08:32:07 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is a known problem with that release. Upgrade to 5A(190) from: watsun.cc.columbia.edu scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 16:51:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 16:51:08 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a way to turn it off? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 16:50:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!blaze.trentu.ca!ccksb From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) Subject: MSK3.13 & MS TCP/IP-32 ? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.165031.273@blaze.trentu.ca> Organization: Trent University, Ontario Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 16:50:31 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A preliminary inquiry... Can MS Kermit 3.13 run from MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a window when MS TCP/IP-32 is also selected as a protocol? I'd be wanting to use IPXODI (an I gather ODIPKT together with WINPKT). I see from the docs that MSK will run in a window over odi when odipkt and winpkt are run on top...but with only one physical board it looks like MS TCP/IP-32 and MSK's internal TCP stack equate to two tcp's, which is a no-no. Comments, suggestions and pointers welcomed. Thank you. -- Ken Brown internet: kbrown@trentu.ca Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 13:24:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > In article , > Ching Mo Chang wrote: >>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? >> >>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). >> >>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. >> >>Ching-Mo > > The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must > the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port > directly. ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 22:32:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!tooner!ncostes From: ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I ftp mskermit? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:20:42 Organization: Clemson University/ECE Department Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tooner.eng.clemson.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll do big blocks. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 13:59:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:59:51 GMT Lines: 81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: >> Hi: >> >> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX >> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. >> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking >> honors. >> >> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from >> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF >> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize >> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what >> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they >> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer >> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response >> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the >> connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON >> looking for clues, but no luck. >> >> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. >> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise >> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs >> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time >> is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent >> luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other >> apps. anyhow. >> >> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine >> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. >> >> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, >> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. >> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group >> would be most welcome. >-------------- > Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 >beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current >Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK >to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. >After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the >connection was just fine. > A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's >shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in >Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes >and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after >you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. >If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. > Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong >to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it >wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with >serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the >competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. > The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using >winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from >netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix >tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). > Joe D. Hi Joe: Many thanks for your quick & thorough reply(ies) to my question(s). I'm posting this in the hopes that it may be of interest to others. I have not tried your 2-argument packet driver yet (I will this morning). I'll report back on the results. Meanwhile, I had a chance to repeat the experiment.....running Kermit under MS-Windows, but using Lan WorkPlace's TELAPI in lieu of the 3c5x9pd/winpkt combination. I started it on Saturday afternoon and minimized it along with a bunch of other Windows tasks. When I came in, I remaximized it and it was still logged into the UNIX system fine. So to me, this suggests that you are on target about the packet driver or thereabouts. Once again, thanks! M. Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 15:27:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I ftp mskermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.212722.35703@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 21:27:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) writes: > Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does > mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found > for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no > problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows > use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll > do big blocks. -------------- You've come to the right place. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu for all Columbia Kermits. The release level MSK is v3.13 and it's in both kermit/bin (binary archive msvibm.zip) and the full sources + docs in kermit/a. Beta-15 of MSK v3.14 (pretty solid and almost ready for release) is in kermit/test/bin, archive file mstibm.zip. MS-DOS Kermit does it all, and usually a good deal better than the non-Columbia editions. Long packets? Of course, 9KB, and up to 32 window slots of them if you have the memory (though that's really gross overkill). Sliding Windows? Definitely, 32 slots, not a mere 2 or 4. Unprefix control codes IF your link tolerates it and you are willing to risk it? You bet. Time to go raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 16:01:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:01:43 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 26 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a comprehensive set of macros written by our own Systems group, and it works quite well. The Mac version, however, is a different story. I had (189) running long enough to set up and test some basic log-in macros, but now suddenly I can no longer get either (189) or (190) to run (keeps crashing in an area that Macsbug identifies as "mberto+xxxx", where xxxx is some fairly large hex number). Thinking that maybe this problem is local to my machine, I have given a number of people copies of (190), but now they are reporting that it crashes on their machine also. Lots of PowerMac crashes, but I'm on a Quadra 660AV running System 7.1. Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare notes with somebody before I file a formal bug report. Or is there some known problems running Mac Kermit under System 7.1 and later? Thanks. Mark Nutter Tech Support at Indiana Univ. of PA manutter@grove.iup.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 14:26:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Date: 19 Dec 1994 14:26:03 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Brian Degregorio ***************************************************************************** ** Brian Degregorio ** ** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** ** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** ** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** ** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** Captain Penny's Law: You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. ***************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 18:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!turing.acs.ryerson.ca!bhillick From: bhillick@acs.ryerson.ca (Bernard Hillick - MHNG/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Dec 1994 18:27:11 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3d4j9v$1lvk@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: turing.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:15:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: termcap kermit and vt320 Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:15:04 GMT Organization: Snausages Ltd. Lines: 101 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm going to post this to comp.terminals for maximum annoyance potential: Hello, Here I am trying to figure out how to write my termcap entry and my terminal setup stuff for msdos kermit which I use to dial in to my SunOS 4.1.3 shell account. I have a few questions. First, I'm not sure that I am clear about how the dialogue takes place between kermit's vt320 emulation, and my shell. My using msdos kermit book describes terminal character sets: C0 being 7 bit "ASCII" control characters, e.g. ^N, ^O, ^J etc. C1 being 8 bit ISO-6249 control characters, e.g. \E[, \EH, etc. G0 being a 94 character character set G1 being a 94 (or 96?) character character set G2 being a 94 or 96 character character set G3 " And then there's GL and GR (Graphics Left and Right) GL holds the selected character set for C0 from G0-3 GR holds the selected character set for C1 from G0-3 Actually it says GL indicates which set to use if a 7 bit graphic character arrives, and GR for an 8 bit character. A DECSCL (ESC[ Pl;Pc"p, or CSI Pl;Pc"p) can select the use of 8 or 7 bit controls. Single shifts SS2 and SS3 (or ESC N and ESC O) shift a character set into GL from G2 and G3 respectively for the following character. Locking shifts ESC n and ESC o do the same until disabled. Locking shifts ^N and ^O do the same from G1 and G0. And locking shifts right 3, 2, and 1 (ESC |, ESC }, and ESC ~) modify GR. SCS (various sequences) can be used to designate an identifed character set to a umm character set e.g. ISO Latin-1 into G2. The character set identifiers listed include those for various languages, and some line drawing sets. And kermit has a command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT which displays all 8 bit characters. And then in my termcap manual there is a parameter ac in which to specify pairs of characters to translate for line drawing. I assume this is the same as for the terminfo parameter acsc, where various "glyphs" are defined. So for example an upper left hand corner box character is refered to by the letter l, so you put l with your tranlation immediately after, all in a row. There are also enacs and smacs (eA and 'as' in termcap), for "enabling" and "starting" an alternate character set. First of all, I am not sure what symbols the following glyphs refer to: lantern symbol board of squares scan line 1, scan line 9, and horizontal line (top bottom and middle?) Then, I'm confused. If I dial in with an 8 bit line, I can stick to 8 bit controls (as far as what I put in my termcap)? Can I put 8 bit control sequences into my termcap files? And in the alternate character set capabilites am I to put literally the graphic character from the appropriate character set in the string? Ascii 4 is a diamond shaped character (7 bits), where as the solid box character is 219 (8 bits) in code page 850 and others. If there's only one capability string for enabling an alternate character set does this mean that I can only choose wether I want bullets and diamonds, or line drawing characters? Also, the strings I put in the termcap are to tell the host what strings to send, or are they what strings to expect? I guess they have to be what to send, but does that mean that I can't send an escape sequence, or is my typing an escape sequence only a dialogue between my keyboard and my terminal emulator? I don't have clear categories in my head. And last, there's a capability string al1 (al in termcap), to add a line below the current line, with scrolling. I don't see this in the kermit manual if it is something other than CR. Does anyone know differently? thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:23:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:23:42 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on it's saved settings file. :^( -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:53:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:53:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3d52u4$he3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men wrote: >I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 >computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). >In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My >modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). >CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. > &D0 should indeed make the modem ignore DTR. Maybe you also have to make the modem ignore other signals too. Maybe the line is "bidirectional", in which case some kind of getty or init or login process takes it over when Kermit closes it, and maybe this other process is hanging it up? You can, by the way, suspend C-Kermit rather than exiting from it. This will leave the connection open for other processes to use, as long as they aren't bothered by C-Kermit's lockfile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: send-init packet Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:58:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d536d$hs6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special >sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term >program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have >to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. > If you look at the Kermit protocol specification, you can see that the initial Kermit packet can contain almost any sequence of characters. There is no way a terminal emulator can be expected to recognize a Kermit packet. You could say that Kermit packets start with Ctrl-A, but (a) they do not necessarily start with Ctrl-A, and (b) Ctrl-A (or any other control character) might be meaningful to the terminal emulator. The only reliable way to get a terminal emulator to switch into file transfer mode is to send it an escape sequence that is meaningful to it, which is exactly what APC is for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 21:14:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: Organization: Private System References: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:14:18 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark Nutter wrote: >Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is >anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare We have quite a few copies of Mac Kermit 189 running on SLC's and Powerbooks being operated by fairly novice users and I have not gotten any reports of crashes. According to Frank's notes, the state of the Mac version of C-Kermit is far from what he would like, but I have found it to be quite usable. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 06:57:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!psinntp!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 20 Dec 1994 06:57:09 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d5v85$rr@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> References: Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, for me the problem with Mac Kermit 0.991(190) as opposed to 0.99(190) is simple (and I've posted it here several days ago): I can create a settings file, but I cannot run 0.991 by clicking on it. :^) -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:14:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071401.35510@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:14:01 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. > > Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. > Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line > will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: > set duplex f > set duplex f > > set duplex f > set duplex h > > set duplex h > set duplex f > > set duplex h > set duplex h > where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. --------- Yup. Fixed now (post beta-15) here. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:13:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071312.35509@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:13:12 MDT References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) writes: > Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. > > Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for > my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. > > Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there > a setting in KERMIT I can set to? ----------- The next time "print to disk" and use the controller print option. This means SET PRINTER filename, and rather than LOG SESSION press Control-Printscreen keys to start logging this way. Only completed lines are logged, not how the lines are put together with cursor commands etc. Control-Printscreen is a toggle, the ON state shows as "PRN" on the status line. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:48:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:48:22 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: subzero.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: : ... : And have a macro to send a file like this... : send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a Try this: asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) send \%f \%a There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 18:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!mcs.com!rjmaley From: rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:12:34 LOCAL Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rjmaley.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work perfectly in interactive mode. I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for AXP 6.1. Any suggestions? - Ryan J. Maley rjmaley@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 15:27:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!RICH From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:27:46 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3cpn9i$5fh@dsm6.dsmnet.com> References: Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dsm1.dsmnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) writes: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? > >- >Ryan J. Maley >rjmaley@mcs.com Try this command in your DCL program just before the run Kermit command: $ define/user_mode sys$input sys$command Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:57:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:57:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 18:03:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Control: cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 15 Dec 1994 18:03:34 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3cq0dm$bjs@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Originator: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 07:15:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 07:15:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8kmp$c4r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a >command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different >initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command >line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate >kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate >just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. > Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu >-- Adam: I just tried this. I copied my ckermod.ini file to a new name and then started ckermit with a -y parameter listing the new ini file. Then typed ^C repeatedly. Nothing happened. the only place in the code where there is a problem handling ^C is in the dial command. If the dial command is interrupted with a ^C from that point forward there can be problems. (I'm working on it.) Would you mind contacting me directly about this so that we can get to the bottom of it quickly? Net-news is so slow. Send me a copy of your modem.ini file so that I can try to replicate the problem. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 20:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on a apple][+ Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 20:18:05 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Simon C.Hall writes: > anyone use kermit on an apple][+? > I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. Until I retired my Apple II systems two years ago, I used the Apple-II version of Kermit as terminal emulator on them. Good vt100 emulation, acceptable speed (about 6000bps) and a very stable binary (especially the ProDOS version). The Apple-II kermit distribution also containes a Unix 6502 cross-assembler, which I used quite a lot. I believe the most current release is 3.87. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 09:39:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!bham!wcl-rs!gio From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:39:33 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject sums it up really... Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? Gio From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 14:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!asuvax!names.maricopa.edu!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: a friend having a problem Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:15:15 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 987 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, MS-Kermit Trouble Report Date: December 21, 1994 From: cboldt@execpc.com Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. Harware: See msd report Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Desqview 2.4 kermit.exe 3.14 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} The example command line works fine. However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is specified from this context, the result is a locked machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. A cold boot is required to reset. What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm This results in a lock-up Attempt with kerlite.exe Results in a lock-up Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room for other programs. Locks-up. set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini This works and is in use Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> prompt also works, no trouble at all. Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 1 ======================================================================== -------------------- --- Customer Information Name: Chuck Seyboldt ------------------- ---- Summary Information Computer: American Megatrend, 486DX Memory: 621K, 7424K Ext, 7136K EMS, 736K XMS Video: VGA, Video Seven, V-RAM Network: No Network OS Version: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Mouse: Logitech Serial Mouse Other Adapters: Disk Drives: A: B: C: D: E: F: G: H: LPT Ports: 1 COM Ports: 2 Windows Information: 3.10, Not Active -------- --------------------- Computer Computer Name: American Megatrends BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends BIOS Version: RDV 1.20 BIOS Category: IBM PC/AT BIOS ID Bytes: FC 01 00 BIOS Date: 07/07/91 Processor: 486DX Math Coprocessor: Internal Keyboard: Enhanced Bus Type: ISA/AT/Classic Bus DMA Controller: Yes Cascaded IRQ2: Yes BIOS Data Segment: None Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 2 ======================================================================== ------ ------------------------ Memory Legend: Available " " RAM "##" ROM "RR" Possibly Available ".." EMS Page Frame "PP" Used UMBs "UU" Free UMBs "FF" 1024K FC00 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFF Conventional Memory F800 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FBFF Total: 621K F400 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F7FF Available: 443K 960K F000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F3FF 454352 bytes EC00 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EFFF E800 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EBFF Extended Memory E400 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E7FF Total: 7424K 896K E000 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E3FF DC00 ################ DFFF Expanded Memory (EMS) D800 ################ DBFF LIM Version: 4.00 D400 ################ D7FF Page Frame Address: E000H 832K D000 ################ D3FF Total: 7136K CC00 ################ CFFF Available: 736K C800 ################ CBFF C400 RRRRRRRR........ C7FF XMS Information 768K C000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR C3FF XMS Version: 3.00 BC00 ################ BFFF Driver Version: 6.00 B800 ################ BBFF A20 Address Line: Enabled B400 B7FF High Memory Area: In use 704K B000 B3FF Available: 736K AC00 AFFF Largest Free Block: 736K A800 ABFF Available SXMS: 736K A400 A7FF Largest Free SXMS: 736K 640K A000 A3FF VCPI Information VCPI Detected: Yes Version: 1.00 Available Memory: 748K ----- ------------------------- Video Video Adapter Type: VGA Manufacturer: Video Seven Model: V-RAM Display Type: VGA Color Video Mode: 3 Number of Columns: 80 Number of Rows: 25 Video BIOS Version: Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 Video BIOS Date: 01/24/89 VESA Support Installed: No Secondary Adapter: None ------- ---------------------- Network Network Detected: No Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 3 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ OS Version Operating System: MS-DOS 5.00 Internal Revision: 00 OEM Serial Number: FFH User Serial Number: 000000H OEM Version String: MS-DOS Version 5.00 DOS Located in: HMA Boot Drive: C: TopView Version: 1.10 Path to Program: D:\CO\dl\MSD.EXE Environment Strings ------------------------------------------------------------- TEMP=h:\scratch DSZLOG=d:\co\sav\commo.log FF=cdefh COMSPEC=i:\command.com EXTRA2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on PATH=I:\;D:\UUPC\BIN;..;C:\UTIL;C:\DOS;C:\;G:\DV MJOG=FILE:d:\co\sav\calendar PROMPT=$e[1;31m[CO]$e[0m $p$g ----- ------------------------- Mouse Mouse Hardware: Logitech Serial Mouse Driver Manufacturer: No Mouse Driver -------------- ------------ Other Adapters Game Adapter: Not Detected Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 4 ======================================================================== ----------- ---------------- Disk Drives Drive Type Free Space Total Size ----- ------------------------------------ ---------- ---------- A: Floppy Drive, 5.25" 1.2M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 15 Sectors/Track B: Floppy Drive, 3.5" 1.44M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 18 Sectors/Track C: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 47 276K 5140K 37 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 872 Cylinders, 8 Heads 35 Sectors/Track D: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 506K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track E: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 29M 220 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track F: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track G: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 1030K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track H: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 5352K 23M 173 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track I: RAM Disk 1313K 1529K 512 Bytes/Sector J: CD-ROM Drive MSCDEX Version 2.21 Installed LASTDRIVE=J: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 5 ======================================================================== --------- ------------------- LPT Ports Port On Paper I/O Time Port Address Line Out Error Out Busy ACK ----- ------- ---- ----- ----- ---- ---- --- LPT1: 0378H Yes Yes No No Yes No LPT2: - - - - - - - LPT3: - - - - - - - --------- ------------------- COM Ports COM1: COM2: COM3: COM4: ----- ----- ----- ----- Port Address 03F8H 02F8H N/A N/A Baud Rate 19200 1200 Parity None None Data Bits 8 8 Stop Bits 1 1 Carrier Detect (CD) No No Ring Indicator (RI) No No Data Set Ready (DSR) Yes Yes Clear To Send (CTS) Yes Yes UART Chip Used 8250 8250 ------------------- ---- Windows Information Windows version: 3.10 Windows mode: Not Active Windows Directory: G:\WIN31 System Directory: G:\WIN31\SYSTEM Filename Size Date Time ---------------------------- --------------- -------- ----- VPASD.386 18784 5/05/92 14:31 MSCVMD.386 9327 3/10/92 3:10 LANMAN10.386 8786 3/10/92 3:10 V7VDD.386 40385 3/10/92 3:10 VTDAPI.386 5245 3/10/92 3:10 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 6 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ IRQ Status IRQ Address Description Detected Handled By --- --------- ---------------- ------------------ ---------------- 0 0861:F437 Timer Click Yes XDV.COM 1 0861:7114 Keyboard Yes XDV.COM 2 F000:EA97 Second 8259A Yes BIOS 3 F000:EA97 COM2: COM4: COM2: BIOS 4 2A06:1427 COM1: COM3: COM1: COMMO.EXE 5 F000:EA97 LPT2: No BIOS 6 F000:EF57 Floppy Disk Yes BIOS 7 0070:06F4 LPT1: Yes System Area 8 F000:EA42 Real-Time Clock Yes BIOS 9 F000:EECF Redirected IRQ2 Yes BIOS 10 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 11 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 12 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 13 F000:EED8 Math Coprocessor Yes BIOS 14 F000:E845 Fixed Disk Yes BIOS 15 F000:FF53 (Reserved) BIOS Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 7 ======================================================================== ------------ --------------- TSR Programs Program Name Address Size Command Line Parameters ------------------ ------- ------ -------------------------------- System Data 027C 20368 QEMM386 027E 3072 EMMXXXX0 LOADHI 033F 304 Block Device LOADHI 0353 256 SMARTAAR LOADHI 0364 256 CDROM MVSOUND 0375 9136 MVPROAS File Handles 05B1 5552 FCBS 070D 256 BUFFERS 071E 512 Directories 073F 880 System Code 0776 64 COMMAND.COM 077B 2368 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0810 64 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0815 256 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0826 272 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0838 592 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 085E 120752 /hw:0e:L ??? 25DA 304 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMAND.COM 25EE 2368 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2683 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2695 80 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm CED.COM 269B 288 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg DNANSI 26AE 1744 CED.COM 271C 11360 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg COMMO.EXE 29E3 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMO.EXE 29F5 6432 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2B88 272 COMMAND.COM 2B9A 2368 ??? 2C2F 256 MSD.EXE 2C40 272 MSD.EXE 2C52 345120 MSD.EXE 8095 8192 MSD.EXE 8296 10032 MSD.EXE 850A 4048 Free Memory 8608 87568 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 8 ======================================================================== -------------- ------------ Device Drivers Device Filename Units Header Attributes ------------ -------- ----- --------- ---------------- NUL 0135:0048 1............1.. MVPROAS MVSOUND 0375:0000 1............... CDROM LOADHI 0364:0000 11..1........... SMARTAAR LOADHI 0353:0000 11..1........... Block Device LOADHI 1 033F:0000 ....1........... QEMM386$ 027E:003F 11.............. EMMXXXX0 QEMM386 027E:0000 11.............. CON 0070:0023 1..........1..11 AUX 0070:0035 1............... PRN 0070:0047 1.1.....11...... CLOCK$ 0070:0059 1...........1... Block Device 8 0070:006B ....1...11....1. COM1 0070:007B 1............... LPT1 0070:008D 1.1.....11...... LPT2 0070:009F 1.1.....11...... LPT3 0070:00B8 1.1.....11...... COM2 0070:00CA 1............... COM3 0070:00DC 1............... COM4 0070:00EE 1............... ---------------- ROM BIOS F000 65536 F000:CE59 System Configuration (C) Copyright 1985-1991, American Megatre nds Inc., F000:0000 0123AAAAMMMMIIII07/07/91(C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., All Rights Reserved F000:0050 (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:0100 ROM BIOS (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:8000 XXXX88886666----0123AAAAMMMMIIII Date:-07/07/91 (C)1985-1991, American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved. F000:E0CA R(C)1985-1991,American Megatrends Inc.,All Rights Reserved.,13 46 Oakbrook Dr.,#120,GA-30093,USA.(404)-263-8181. F000:6CC0 :DLTdD F000:E00E IBM COMPATIBLE IBM IS A TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MA CHINES CORP. F000:160E If BIOS shadow RAM is disabled, F000:2220 AUTO CONFIGURATION WITH BIOS DEFAULTS F000:2396 Load BIOS Setup Default Values for Advanced CMOS and Advanced CHIPSET Setup F000:24ED !AMI BIOS SETUP UTILITIES F000:2633 (ii) Load BIOS Setup Defaults F000:26A0 BIOS SETUP PROGRAM - F000:26F8 F5:Old Values F6:BIOS Setup Defaults F7:Power-On Defaults F000:423D Load BIOS Setup Default Values from ROM Table (Y/N) ? F000:CF70 ROM-BIOS Date : F000:FF59 (C)1990AMI,404-263-8181 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 9 ======================================================================== ---------------- Video ROM BIOS C000 24576 C000:002A Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 C000:00A2 (C) Copyright 1987 Video Seven Inc., All Rights Reserved. --------------- ---------- C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT @echo off ctty nul ::cd \dos ::g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 ced -b1024,128,2048,128,128,128 -fsynon.fil ::mouse /C2/E ::loadhi setver.exe ::loadhi xeq colon ::g:\dv\loadhi c:\dos\mouse1 /2 cd \util g:\dv\loadhi /r:2 pr256.exe g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 stackey ::stackey g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mscdex /d:CDROM /m:8 /e /l:j ::\cd-rom\mscdex /d:cdrom /m:8 /e md i:\hold copy \command.com i:\ for %%x in (q.exe l.com \dc.*) do copy %%x i: ctty con set temp=h:\scratch set dszlog=d:\co\sav\commo.log set ff=cdefh set comspec=i:\command.com set extra=one_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on set extra2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on prompt $p$g cls path i:\;d:\uupc\bin;..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ::path ..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ask&wait "Spacebar for DV or wait $s seconds" ! 10 [ if errorlevel 37 goto dv goto end :dv g: cd \dv xdv /hw:0e:L ::Setting Default Allowable Swit ches :: ::Mouse Type none SerialPort1,2,3,4 /Cn Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 10 ======================================================================== :: PS/2 /Z :: InPort1,2,3,4 /In :: Bus /B :: MSX /X :: ::Language English English /L :: German /LD :: Spanish /LE :: French /LF :: Italian /LI :: Dutch /LNL :: Portuguese /LP :: Swedish /LS :: Finnish /LSF :: ::Memory :: Low Memory LowMem LowMem - :: High Memory HiMem /U :: Extended Memory EMM /E :: ::Interrupt Rate 1 0,1,2,3,4 /Rn :: ::Sensitivity :: Horizontal Only 50 5-100 /Hn :: Vertical Only 50 5-100 /Vn :: Horizontal & Vertical 50 5-100 /Vn :: ::Active Acceleration Profile 2 1,2,3,4 /Pn :: ::Cursor Display :: CursorDisplayDelay 0 0-10 /Nn :: ForceDefaultCursor off on/off /M :: ::Hardware Cursor Support true true/false /Y :: ::Button Selection :: Primary 1 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm :: Secondary 3 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm ::set mouse=C:\DOS ::C:\DOS\mouse/c2/u/y :end ------------- ------------- C:\CONFIG.SYS DEVICE=g:\dv\QEMM386.SYS RAM X=B000-BFFF DMA=32 dos=high rem DEVICE=c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:2 c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 11 ======================================================================== rem DEVICE=c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 lastdrive=j rem DEVICE=c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A:300 rem DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A :300 rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /L:j /N:1 /E rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:cdrom /L:j /N:1 /E device=c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:7 rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:5 files=99 buffers=15 STACKS=0,0 ------------------- ---- G:\WIN31\SYSTEM.INI [boot] mouse.drv=mscmouse.drv shell=progman.exe network.drv= language.dll= sound.drv=mmsound.drv comm.drv=comm.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv system.drv=system.drv 386grabber=V7VGA.3GR oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon 286grabber=VGACOLOR.2GR fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon fonts.fon=vgasys.fon display.drv=V7VGA.DRV drivers=mmsystem.dll SCRNSAVE.EXE=G:\WIN31\SSMYST.SCR [keyboard] subtype= type=4 keyboard.dll= oemansi.bin= [boot.description] mouse.drv=Mouse Systems serial or bus mouse keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards network.drv=No Network Installed language.dll=English (American) system.drv=MS-DOS System codepage=437 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 12 ======================================================================== woafont.fon=English (437) aspect=100,96,96 display.drv=Video 7 512K, 720x512 256 colors [386Enh] device=vpasd.386 SystemROMBreakPoint=false mouse=mscvmd.386 32BitDiskAccess=on device=*int13 device=*wdctrl device=lanman10.386 network=*dosnet,*vnetbios ebios=*ebios woafont=dosapp.fon display=V7VDD.386 EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON keyboard=*vkd device=vtdapi.386 device=*vpicd device=*vtd device=*reboot device=*vdmad device=*vsd device=*v86mmgr device=*pageswap device=*dosmgr device=*vmpoll device=*wshell device=*BLOCKDEV device=*PAGEFILE device=*vfd device=*parity device=*biosxlat device=*vcd device=*vmcpd device=*combuff device=*cdpscsi local=CON FileSysChange=off PagingFile=G:\WIN386.SWP MaxPagingFileSize=2998 MinTimeslice=20 WinTimeslice=100,50 WinExclusive=0 Com1AutoAssign=2 Com2AutoAssign=2 [standard] [NonWindowsApp] localtsrs=dosedit,ced Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 13 ======================================================================== [mci] WaveAudio=mciwave.drv 4 Sequencer=mciseq.drv Mixer=mcimixer.drv CDAudio=mcicda.drv [drivers] timer=timer.drv midimapper=midimap.drv MIDI=opl3.drv MIDI1=mvproaud.drv Wave=mvproaud.drv Aux=mvproaud.drv Mixer=mvmixer.drv [v7vga.drv] WidthXHeight=720x512 FontSize=small [Multimedia.Setup] audio=mvproaud.drv,0,0,0 [mvproaud.drv] dma=3 irq=7 [mciseq.drv] disablewarning=false ---------------- --------- G:\WIN31\WIN.INI [windows] spooler=yes load= run= Beep=yes NullPort=None BorderWidth=3 CursorBlinkRate=710 DoubleClickSpeed=493 Programs=com exe bat pif Documents= DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15 TransmissionRetryTimeout=45 KeyboardDelay=1 KeyboardSpeed=26 ScreenSaveActive=1 ScreenSaveTimeOut=60 MouseThreshold1=4 MouseThreshold2=12 MouseSpeed=2 CoolSwitch=1 DosPrint=no device=Epson LQ-500,EPSON24,LPT1: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 14 ======================================================================== [Desktop] Pattern=(None) Wallpaper=chitz.bmp GridGranularity=0 IconSpacing=75 TileWallPaper=1 [Extensions] cal=calendar.exe ^.cal crd=cardfile.exe ^.crd trm=terminal.exe ^.trm txt=notepad.exe ^.txt ini=notepad.exe ^.ini pcx=pbrush.exe ^.pcx bmp=pbrush.exe ^.bmp wri=write.exe ^.wri rec=recorder.exe ^.rec hlp=winhelp.exe ^.hlp TBK=TBOOK.EXE ^.TBK wav=prec.exe ^.wav [intl] sLanguage=enu sCountry=United States iCountry=1 iDate=0 iTime=0 iTLZero=0 iCurrency=0 iCurrDigits=2 iNegCurr=0 iLzero=1 iDigits=2 iMeasure=1 s1159=AM s2359=PM sCurrency=$ sThousand=, sDecimal=. sDate=/ sTime=: sList=, sShortDate=M/d/yy sLongDate=dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy [ports] ; A line with [filename].PRN followed by an equal sign causes ; [filename] to appear in the Control Panel's Printer Configuration dial og ; box. A printer connected to [filename] directs its output into this fi le. LPT1:= LPT2:= LPT3:= Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 15 ======================================================================== COM1:=19200,n,8,1,p COM2:=9600,n,8,1,x COM3:=9600,n,8,1,x COM4:=9600,n,8,1,x EPT:= FILE:= LPT1.DOS= LPT2.DOS= [FontSubstitutes] Helv=MS Sans Serif Tms Rmn=MS Serif Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial [TrueType] [mci extensions] wav=waveaudio mid=sequencer rmi=sequencer [Compatibility] NOTSHELL=0x0001 WPWINFIL=0x0006 CCMAIL=0x0008 AMIPRO=0x0010 REM=0x8022 PIXIE=0x0040 CP=0x0040 JW=0x42080 TME=0x0100 VB=0x0200 WIN2WRS=0x1210 PACKRAT=0x0800 VISION=0x0040 MCOURIER=0x0800 _BNOTES=0x24000 MILESV3=0x1000 PM4=0x2000 DESIGNER=0x2000 PLANNER=0x2000 DRAW=0x2000 WINSIM=0x2000 CHARISMA=0x2000 PR2=0x2000 PLUS=0x1000 ED=0x00010000 APORIA=0x0100 EXCEL=0x1000 GUIDE=0x1000 NETSET2=0x0100 W4GL=0x4000 W4GLR=0x4000 TURBOTAX=0x00080000 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 16 ======================================================================== [Microsoft Word 2.0] HPDSKJET=+1 [fonts] Arial (TrueType)=ARIAL.FOT Arial Bold (TrueType)=ARIALBD.FOT Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)=ARIALBI.FOT Arial Italic (TrueType)=ARIALI.FOT Courier New (TrueType)=COUR.FOT Courier New Bold (TrueType)=COURBD.FOT Courier New Italic (TrueType)=COURI.FOT Times New Roman (TrueType)=TIMES.FOT Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)=TIMESBD.FOT Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)=TIMESBI.FOT Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)=TIMESI.FOT Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)=COURBI.FOT WingDings (TrueType)=WINGDING.FOT MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SSERIFE.FON Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)=COURE.FON MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SERIFE.FON Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SYMBOLE.FON Roman (Plotter)=ROMAN.FON Script (Plotter)=SCRIPT.FON Modern (Plotter)=MODERN.FON Small Fonts (VGA res)=SMALLE.FON Symbol (TrueType)=SYMBOL.FOT [embedding] SoundRec=Sound,Sound,SoundRec.exe,picture Package=Package,Package,packager.exe,picture PBrush=Paintbrush Picture,Paintbrush Picture,pbrush.exe,picture PocketMix=Pocket Mixer Settings,Pocket Mixer Settings,G:\WIN31\PMIX.EXE, picture PocketRec=Pocket Recorder Wave,Pocket Recorder Wave,G:\WIN31\PREC.EXE,pi cture [colors] Background=255 251 240 AppWorkspace=255 251 240 Window=255 255 255 WindowText=0 0 0 Menu=255 255 255 MenuText=0 0 0 ActiveTitle=164 200 240 InactiveTitle=255 255 255 TitleText=0 0 0 ActiveBorder=192 192 192 InactiveBorder=192 192 192 WindowFrame=0 0 0 Scrollbar=192 192 192 ButtonFace=192 192 192 ButtonShadow=128 128 128 ButtonText=0 0 0 GrayText=192 192 192 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 17 ======================================================================== Hilight=164 200 240 HilightText=0 0 0 InactiveTitleText=0 0 0 ButtonHilight=255 255 255 [Terminal] Port=COM1 [SciCalc] layout=0 [Cardfile] ValidateFileWrite=1 [Chomp] High=500 [Windows Help] H_WindowPosition=[240,170,240,170,0] [MSCharMap] Font=Symbol [PrinterPorts] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:,15,45 [devices] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1: [Hop] UsageCount=1 [Media Vision Pocket Mixer] ;a=; Mixer patching support: ;b=; Set mixer control to , line . ;c=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;Monitor=fixed,input,1 ;Synthesizer=unfixed,input,0 ;Microphone=unfixed,input,4 ;PCMWave=unfixed,input,5 ;CDPlayer=unfixed,input,3 ;PCSpeaker=unfixed,input,6 ;Auxiliary=unfixed,input,2 ;Master=fixed,output,0 [Media Vision Device Specification] ;MixerDevice=Media Vision Mixer ;MixerDevMID=3 ;MixerDevPID=0 ;InputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Input ;InputDevMID=3 ;InputDevPID=21 ;OutputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Output ;OutputDevMID=3 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 18 ======================================================================== ;OutputDevPID=20 [Media Vision Pocket Recorder] ;a=; Current user interface support allows for: ;b=; one or two channels. ;c=; variable sample rates between specified minimum and maximum. ;d=; eight and/or sixteen bits per sample (commas between multiple va lues). ;e=; file compaction by two and/or four (currently not supported). ;f=; Buffer Management: ;g=; buffer size should be a power of two (default 32768). ;h=; number of buffers for playback and record ahead (default 5, max 16). ;i=; Pitch/speed effect related parameters: ;j=; shift fraction is the wave decimation size (default: 125th of a second). ;k=; fade divide is the shift portion to cross fade (default: 2, one half). ;l=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;NumChannels=2 ;MinSampRate=1 ;MaxSampRate=44100 ;BitsPerSamp=8,16 ;Compression=2,4 ;BufferSize=32768 ;NumBuffers=5 ;ShiftFract=125 ;FadeDivide=2 [mvmixer.drv] LineIn1=SYNTH MUS] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn2=MIXER MIX] PLAY L= 56% R= 56% @=0000 LineIn3=AUX AUX| PLAY L= 53% R= 60% @=0000 LineIn4=CD CDA| PLAY L= 55% R= 55% @=0000 LineIn5=MIC MIC| PLAY L= 48% R= 48% @=0000 LineIn6=WAVE WAV] PLAY L= 74% R= 74% @=0000 LineIn7=SPKR SPK] RECORD L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn8=BLSTR WAV] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineOut1=MASTER AMP| PLAY L= 76% R= 76% @=0000 LineOut2=REC IN WAV] RECORD L= 80% R= 80% @=0000 StereoEnhance=OFF Loudness=OFF Bass= 50 Treble= 50 SaveSettingsOnWindowsExit=YES [WinJack] Trial=2026 [sounds] SystemAsterisk=chord.wav,Asterisk SystemHand=chord.wav,Critical Stop SystemDefault=ding.wav,Default Beep SystemExclamation=G:\WIN31\DING.WAV,Exclamation Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 19 ======================================================================== SystemQuestion=chord.wav,Question SystemExit=G:\WIN31\CHIMES.WAV,Windows Exit SystemStart=tada.wav,Windows Start From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:20:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Message-Id: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 10:20:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > Hello, > > MS-Kermit Trouble Report > > Date: December 21, 1994 > From: cboldt@execpc.com > > Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" > is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. > > Harware: See msd report > Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 > Desqview 2.4 > kermit.exe 3.14 > 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE > 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE > > Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides > a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 > > This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } > > {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} > > The example command line works fine. > > However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is > specified from this context, the result is a locked > machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. > A cold boot is required to reset. > > What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm > This results in a lock-up > > Attempt with kerlite.exe > Results in a lock-up > > Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. > This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room > for other programs. Locks-up. > > set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini > This works and is in use > > Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> > prompt also works, no trouble at all. --------------- Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. I've never encountered COMMO so I won't guess about it. Also please do watch out for Smartdrive eating up cpu cycles like crazy when it flushes to real disk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:18:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3da9k9$95q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. Your other alternative, if you are running CC-DOS (Chinese DOS) is a special Chinese edition of an old version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32A, by Quanfang Zhang of Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (see "Kermit in China", Kermit News #5, July 1993). You can find it on kermit.columbia.edu. The text files are in kermit/c/cc*.*, and binaries are in kermit/bin/cc*.exe. Naturally, we would like to see true Chinese support integrated into the new version MS-DOS Kermit; it should be fairly easy given the existing Kanji support. But it would require a DOS programmer with a knowledge of Chinese writing and character sets, and access to Chinese-model PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:32:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:32:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3daad2$a80@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> >> Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" >> is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. >> ... >Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the >serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same >hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. > On the other hand, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is specifically designed to be used as an external protocol by other software, so if Commo leaves the port alone while Kermit is using it, hopefully there will be no interference. Two other possibilities spring to mind. When you add this command, you are doing two things: making the command line longer, and causing Kermit to dynamically allocate memory for packet buffers. If the command line is longer than DOS's buffer for command lines (if I recall correctly), terrible things can happen. It is better to use a shorter command line which points Kermit at a file to execute additional commands from. If that's not the explanation, then look at your memory management setup very carefully -- maybe more than one process is contending for the same memory, or QEMM is misconfigured, or Commo is not respecting Kermit's "space", or some other application, driver, or TSR is misbehaving. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:41:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC Initiation Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:41:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3daauo$arf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a >HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z >works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is >outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because >I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC >software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? > Your problem report does not make sense. APC is supported by the terminal emulator in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later, but TERMINALR/TERMINALS is not. So if your software is sending the TERMINALR/TERMINALS escape sequences and they work, you must not be running version 3.13, which would explain why APC sequences do not work for you. If you are running 3.13, then please read the update notes in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the diskette, which explain in great detail how to use the APC feature. I don't know what your MAPPERC software does, but maybe it is not sending the APC sequences correctly. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set debug session" so you can watch what MAPPERC is sending. You should see: ^[_xxxxx^[\ where xxxxx is the text inside the APC sequence. If you see that and it still doesn't work, then please make sure you don't have "set terminal apc off", etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MAC Kermit? Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:43:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3dab1k$aua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, Chuck Stickelman wrote: > >I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) >but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. >What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? >Where is the latest version located, and old is it? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 23:00:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:01:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 21 Dec 1994 23:00:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3dac38$c1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu>, Eugene Tyurin wrote: >I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference >between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, >the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on >it's saved settings file. :^( > Macintosh Kermit is not one of our top Kermit programs. It is basically a combination of C-Kermit 5A with a Macintosh user and system interface. C-Kermit 5A is mine, the Mac-specific part is nobody's. Ten (yes, ten) years ago, the original Mac Kermit was written by my group, but those people are long gone. I am not funded to replace them. For some years, we had some excellent volunteer Mac programmers who made terrific progress, but they are now also long gone. What is the difference between 0.991(190) and 0.99(190)? It is that I tracked down and fixed the problem that was causing 0.99(190) -- and all earlier versions -- to crash when downloading files on Mac System 7.1 and later (the problem being that a system call that had worked for ten years had suddenly stopped working). I also fixed the READ command not to crash. I also fixed the various LOG commands, which never worked before. I fixed the file transfer display, which previously often did not know whether a file was being sent or received, and added some additional info, like the current directory. I fixed some of the dialog boxes to show the current file-related settings correctly, in case they had been set from the command window. I removed the stupid alert boxes that kept coming up saying "Writing to console not allowed". I added a DIRECTORY command, and fixed various other file-related commands. etc etc. And I guess I must also have broken something. Sorry. I'm not a Macintosh programmer, and I am beginning to wonder if anybody is. I am surprised that so many people use this program, and apparently so many universities depend on it, but nobody is willing or able to contribute to its development or support. I would do it myself, but there are simply not enough hours in a day. If you are a skilled Macintosh programmer, preferably in MPW C, and are interested in helping out, please read the ckmker.bwr file, and then if you are still interested, contact me. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 22 21:53:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Date: 22 Dec 1994 21:53:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-15 include: . The SEND command now accepts an "indirect filename", starting with "@"; the named file contains a list of files to be sent (see KERMIT.UPD). . TCP and IP now use less packets, good for SLIP. . Doomsday Kermit (DDK) protocol fixed, really this time. . SET TELNET TERM no longer uppercases the name. . MAIL command fixed. . A bug with ESC completion fixed in command parser. . REMOTE ASG added as "special abbreviation" for REMOTE ASSIGN. . \v(inpath) now also works when file found in current directory. Thanks to Joe Doupnik for all the above, and much else too! Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 23 06:48:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 22 Dec 1994 22:48:21 -0800 Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: HANGUP on FreeBSD drops DTR longer than 0.5 second Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. Thanks for any info, --Roland Kwee email: rolandkwee@acm.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 06:52:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:52:15 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes clone faxmodem. Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 packets resent). Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and 30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why it is so low overall. The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone suggest to increase efficiency? TIA. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 14:06:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.Gsu.EDU!usenet From: Tom Bowden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:06:43 GMT Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: isgtmb.gsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: > > C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm > Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus > end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes > clone faxmodem. > [stuff deleted] > > The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for > each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > > Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone > suggest to increase efficiency? > Use longer packets. In PCPLUS, go into setup (alt-s), then Protocols, then Kermit (this may vary depending on which version you have). The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. At the unversity end, edit your .kermrc (or ckermit.ini) file so that it includes the lines: set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set window 3 Hope this helps. Tom in Atlanta From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:59:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:00:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 10:59:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 23 Dec 1994 15:59:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3des5q$gm2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the >DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained >in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. > >On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. >It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems >with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should >cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way >to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). > >Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? >If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? > It is supposed to work as described in the book. During (and after) the development of C-Kermit 5A(190), FreeBSD kept changing out from under me. I received numerous "patches" from all over the world, most of them mutually contradictory. As you have probably seen by inspecting the tthang() routine in ckutio.c, the simple act of dropping DTR for half a second is one of the hardest things to do in non-vendor-specific UNIX communications software, since there are so many different ways to do it -- each system has its own way. tthang() presently takes up 405 lines of code, and still fails to work in some cases, like yours. The POSIX method is used In the FreeBSD case -- relatively straightforward (get current speed, save it, set speed to 0, sleep half a second(*), restore speed), so if it doesn't work, there is probably something wrong underneath -- i.e. in FreeBSD or your serial port driver. All I can say is, you are free to make changes to tthang() and send them to me, but don't have any confidence that your changes will work for any length of time, given FreeBSD's track record on stability so far (speaking as an outsider, no offense intended). I don't have access to any FreeBSD systems to do this work myself. Also, in my correspondence with other FreeBSD users, nobody has reported a problem like this, so it's very likely peculiar to a specific configuration (kernel edit, driver edit, whatever). >In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines >to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. > This would be a great feature, but no, there is no standard or portable way (not even several standard ways) to set arbitrary modem signals. C-Kermit does have a "show modem" command, which works on the (few) UNIX variations that allow modem signals to be tested. HP-UX probably has the best serial i/o interface I've seen; very few others even approach it. UNIX "standards bodies" have vigorously avoided the area of serial communications, which, even in this age of low-cost, high-speed modems and the worldwide public stampede to the "on-ramp" of the "information superhighway" -- a time when serial communications is becoming more important than ever before. POSIX made some progress, but it's only one of many APIs, and even the POSIX.1 API is inadequate. It does not address questions of exclusive access (which leaves us, still, with the "UUCP lockfile" -- one of the most atrocious ideas in software engineering ever to gain "de facto standard" status, ranking right up there with cooperative multitasking, with which it has more than a little in common), hardware flow control, modem signals, nondestructive input-buffer peeking, or fine-grained (under one second) sleeps, all of which are essential for serial communications. (*) But since there is no way to sleep for half a second in POSIX, we have to use some kind of non-POSIX-compliant method, i.e. an "extension", and this might be a good place to start looking for the problem. See the msleep() routine in ckutio.c. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 05:06:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: <1994Dec19.110606.35728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 94 11:06:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) writes: > I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 > students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal > program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There isn't such a thing. I believe you must mean MS-DOS Kermit, no relation to C Kermit other than from the same project. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 19:58:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!news.reed.edu!sun.lclark.edu!sun.lclark.edu!not-for-mail From: miller@sun.lclark.edu (John Miller) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 19 Dec 1994 11:58:35 -0800 Organization: Lewis and Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 16 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun.lclark.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results on the net. Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions of sz, etc. Thanks, John Miller -- "What's ahead?" From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 07:30:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:30:28 CST From: Message-Id: <94353.133028U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 fix SC9131X still work? Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi -- I've got Unix C-Kermits and MS-Kermit dialing up to MVS/ESA mainframes through a Renex TMS-4 protocol converter. I put on SC9131X as a local update to Kermit- 370 to get rid of the "IKT....Screen erasure caused by..." message, setting &CONOPTS to 'STCNOS1' to force graphics controller (as recommended by the beware file and ik0aaa). I still get the message (yeah, I checked the PROCLIB and everything). Can anyone help me out? Many thanks...Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | "I would have preferred that | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | you smell of garlic." | Consultant | | Emperor Vespasian, | Technical Support Group, Inc. | | demoting a perfumed | 360 N. Michigan Ave, Suite 1005 | | officer, c. 70 AD. | Chicago, IL. 60601 Tel: 312-704-5100 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:38:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:38:03 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3df8ur$uj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba-cddi.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia University. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to John Miller : |Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup |article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining |than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results |on the net. In my particular setup (dialup to Unix server at Columbia University), even with long packets enabled, etc., DSZ has a speed edge over MS-Kermit. However, Kermit is totally free. Moreover, Frank's crew writes documentation 1000% better than Mr. Forsberg--the DSZ docs (and command parameter interface) is as obscure and unintentionally hilarious as can get. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on my juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica routine . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:55:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:55:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3df9vk$bp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm >Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus >end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes >clone faxmodem. > >Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical >throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed >binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a >lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 >packets resent). > >Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and >30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves >when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why >it is so low overall. > >The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for >each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > >Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone >suggest to increase efficiency? > (a) Use MS-DOS Kermit instead of Procomm; (b) Adjust the window size, packet size, and other parameters to achieve maximum efficiency. This kind of question is posted every couple days, and rather than repost the detailed answer each time, I've stored it on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, faq.txt. Please read it. I have seen certain newsgroups that seem to have a permanent greeting message. If I knew how to accomplish this, I could post pointers to FAQs, etc, so everybody would see them when first accessing this group. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 00:29:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 24 Dec 1994 00:29:59 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Bowden (isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu) wrote: ==> handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: ==> [stuff deleted (by both of us!)] ==> Use longer packets. [ . . . ] ==> The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit the file PCPLUS.PRM to get it to 255. I can edit a two-byte value (1024 = 0400h), but PC+ only looks at the low byte (apparently) when actually negotiating the link. ==> At the university end, edit your .kermrc file so that ==> it includes the lines: ==> set send packet-length 1024 ..... I set 255 ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know about such strangeness? Now my efficiency is up to 71% which is close to the theoretical ratio of 14400/19200 = 75%. ==> Hope this helps. It *sure*does*!!! Sent me in the right direction. Thanks, Tom and all. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:23:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Message-Id: <1994Dec23.212306.35982@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Dec 94 21:23:06 MDT References: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from > kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: ---------- Just to forstall questions, this beta has one known problem: saying Kermit -f may fail if the filename lacks a full path. It's fixed at my place already, but rather than issuing a new beta after a day we felt it better to use these few remaining days to discover any last bugs. Please, if you find them report them immediately so we can make the formal release ASAP. Don't depend on NEWS to be speedy; try my personal address, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. 24 ..... I set 255 > ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 > ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? > > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know > about such strangeness? Oh, that's a signature of running over many PPP and some SLIP links, but nothing to do with C Kermit itself. You can SET SEND (or RECEIVE) PACKET at the C Kermit prompt if necessary to overcome any system defaults the guys have created. The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end is a good one. About four window slots of 1-2KB packets is plenty on a local link. No binary editing hackery required. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 17:51:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!cliff From: cliff@shell.portal.com (Seeker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 17:51:05 GMT Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: $ set term/pag=32/wid=80 I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two lines: output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 in 5 $ Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? Cliff@shell.poratl.com -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | cliff@shell.portal.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 18:05:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 18:05:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhntp$svt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell>, Seeker wrote: >I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I >execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: > >$ set term/pag=32/wid=80 > >I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 >when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing >directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a >simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two >lines: > >output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 >in 5 $ > >Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 >with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the >problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I >can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying >to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output >command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? > I am not totally sure this is the answer, but... In version 5A(190) and earlier, the same screen size is used by both the C-Kermit command parser and the terminal emulation window (in future releases, the sizes will be independent). When the command parser is active, so is the ANSI console driver. I suspect that when you tell VMS to: set term/pag=32/wid=80 this causes VMS to send an escape sequence to the terminal. You can confirm this via LOG SESSION or by putting C-Kermit's terminal emulator in debug mode (with Alt-d). If you have SET INPUT ECHO ON in C-Kermit, then your INPUT command: in 5 $ will read characters sent by the host and echo them to the screen, i.e. to the ANSI console driver. This means that any escape sequences sent by the host are likely to have unexpected effects since ANSI != VTxxx. In this case, the console driver evidently recognized what it though was a video- mode change command, and so changed its video mode, which affects both the command screen and the terminal screen. Solution: Tell C-Kermit to SET INPUT ECHO OFF. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 02:24:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Message-Id: <1994Dec21.082425.35841@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 08:24:25 MDT References: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) writes: > Subject sums it up really... > > Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does > anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit supports only one LAT session at a time. It's a bunch of work and memory to support multiple LAT sessions, and so far there has been no demand for that capability. Only the internal Telnet stack supports multiple sessions at this time, and later we hope to add some other comms channels to the session manager. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 07:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:30:39 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: brevard.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: ==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" ==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports 286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? ==> The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end . . . so maybe I can get a PCKermit to set up as an EXTERNal protocol with the hooks provided with ProComm+ ? Thanks for all the hints! -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 04:03:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Message-Id: <1994Dec25.040321.22507@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:03:21 GMT Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) says: >I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), >but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Brian Degregorio > > >***************************************************************************** >** Brian Degregorio ** >** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** >** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** >** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** >** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** >Captain Penny's Law: > You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of > the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. >***************************************************************************** > I use DSZ, but GSZ should work the same way. Just make the appropriate name change to the following macros. I've forgotten which one of the DOCUMENTATION files I found this in, but by adding the following macros to my MSCUSTOM.INI file I can call DSZ as an external protocol from MSKermit. > ; Macros for transferring files via DSZ (Zmodem) ... > ; > define rz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G rz -r > define sz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 > define t run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G t -r DSZ is installed in a directory in my path. I use Kermit's terminal emulation for everything up to the point where I issue the: sz [filespec] command on the remote system command line. I then use [Alt + X] to return to the local Kermit command line, where I use: do rz to initiate the Kermit "rz" macro defined above. This starts DSZ in the receive mode, which initiates the file transfer via Zmodem. When the transfer is complete, DSZ exits and returns to the Kermit command line. I can then "connect" again to get back to the remote command line. The: est 0 9600 passed to DSZ is supposed to cause the estimated transfer time to reflect the correct 9600 baud rate of my V.32 modem, even though I use a DCE/DTE rate of 19,200. This doesn't seem to work right, but I haven't yet tried to determine why not. Also the "G" is supposed to be necessary to enable the serial port, since when you run an external command, kermit is supposed to shut off the serial port. It seems to work, so I haven't investigated if it is really needed. Using "rz" on the remote system and "do sz" from the local kermit command line initiates Zmodem "up-loads" in place of downloads. The "t" macro is a special version of the download protocol, which I haven't used yet. It is supposed to allow more automatic downloads to be performed. I'm sure more automation could be included in the macros, but these work quite well manually. Maybe someone else had improved on these macro's. With MSKermit as the main comm. program and DSZ as an external protocol, I have two of the most popular and reliable protocols available in an inexpensive package. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:34:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 14:34:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3djvu9$s2m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: >==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit >... >i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" > We can't be responsible for the restrictions of Procomm. MS-DOS Kermit lets you choose any packet length up to the theoritical maximum of 9024. >==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! >... >i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports >286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? > The packet length is determined by the file receiver. In other words, the receiver gives the sender permission to send packets UP TO the given length; the sender can choose to send less, but not more. A real Kermit program will normally use the length that you tell it. If you were using MS-DOS Kermit, the command would be: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 or whatever. Evidently your version of Procomm does not want to receive long packets, no matter how you "hexedit" your Procomm configuration. Maybe that's why it does not have a "command" or setting for this. Give the same command to C-Kermit when uploading. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190) and, like MS-DOS Kermit 3.xx, it is a full implementation of the protocol: long packets, sliding windows, compression, locking shifts, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 12:47:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:47:12 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the Joe and Frank's replies to my previous posting: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT). After the hints, I find out that using the following terminal setting, I can view Chinese in Big5 code when runing MSKERMIT in a Chinese DOS system. set parity none set term bytesize 8 set terminal character transparent Ching-Mo >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Doupnik writes: Joe> ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit Joe> command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit Joe> terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY Joe> {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as Joe> above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus Joe> file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same Joe> command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese Frank> characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending Frank> on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Frank> Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Frank> Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Frank> Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations Frank> of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Frank> Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 02:08:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 02:08:44 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? Thank you in advance Carlos ps. happy new year! From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 18:24:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 11:24:56 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Signature: YES/286! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.11.B1218 - Freeware! X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a test From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Message-Id: <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Dec 94 20:30:48 MDT References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is > using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Thank you in advance -------------- De-scoping the question: what did you do, and what happened? Something to keep in mind with SLIP is there is only one "other end" of the wire and that remote end's IP number is the gateway off the wire, and consequently your PC and that other end are on the same IP network number (host parts differ but not the network parts of the IP addresses). I suggest you do a quick double check with your local IP responsible people about IP numbers and subnet masks etc to verify that you are using the correct values for your environment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 09:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!primenet.com!not-for-mail From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Primenet Message-Id: <-uZR$kuqcZ7WI075yn@primenet.com> Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 09:50:50 GMT Approved: news@primenet.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 17:19:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 17:19:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3dmtvl$l5k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. > Did you read the instructions? This is from the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta ZIP file: MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps: 1. SET PORT 1 (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection). 2. SET SPEED 19200 (or whatever speed you will be using) 3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE) Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection! SLIP and Xon/Xoff are incompatible with each other. 4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be providing SLIP service. Determine the IP address and other information (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you. Normally, these are displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode. 5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit. The connection is left open. 6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example: slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200 7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again. Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the serial port where SLIP is running. Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS, SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands. Then, to make a connection, use SET PORT TCP
, where
is the IP hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to. Note: Even though you might think it's silly to exit from Kermit and then start it again, when you could simply start the SLIP driver from the Kermit prompt, there is a reason: starting a driver from inside an application results in memory fragmentation. Note 2: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for example, Cisco terminal servers can do this). Also, MS-DOS Kermit's SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Of interest to you would be an improvement in the efficiency of SLIP service, which came in Beta 16 (the current Beta). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 18:18:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Message-Id: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 18:18:28 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my program says that the port is in use. If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I want the connection to remain open. Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting ckermit just kills the connection. Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed running external programs that access the port with the run command but it appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 22:01:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Date: 26 Dec 1994 22:01:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3dnefc$40v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run >another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my >program says that the port is in use. OS/2 C-Kermit locks the port when it is in use so that other applications cannot interfere with it. >If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I >want the connection to remain open. Correct. OS/2 doesn't allow files to remain open past the end of an application. It automatically closes all open files. >Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip >connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip >says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting >ckermit just kills the connection. In the next version of C-Kermit for OS/2 [5A(191)], there is now SLIPTERM support which allows C-Kermit to grab control of the COM port from the SLIP driver. This way you can start a slip session, and use C-Kermit as your terminal emulation and scripting package. >Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed >running external programs that access the port with the run command but it >appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. The program needs to be written so that it can accept a file handle instead of a port name. This way the program can be started as a child process of C-Kermit and inherit the open comm port. >Thanks, > >Helen > If you are interested in joining the test group for OS/2 C-Kermit, send me mail directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 27 20:24:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:38 -0500 Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Distribution: or Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:24:32 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu>, John Miller wrote: >Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup >article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining >than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results >on the net. Chuck does have a gift for generating publicity, doesn't he? ;-) Unfortunately, I've never seen a `showdown' that produced any really useful information. As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned lies, and statistics. If you read between the lines of the glossy graphs and charts used to support the `my protocol is better than yours' wars, you can get some real laughs. For example, one chart I saw proclaimed one protocol `best' due to an advantage over a competitor of only .3%! Another chose a very particular file that had certain properties that caused it to transfer unusually quickly under one particular protocol (but not a competitor's, of course). Both of these comparisons were done by generally well-respected individuals. >Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? >We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions >of sz, etc. Latest versions of which packages? I've seen 10-20 percent variations in speed between different implementations of the same protocol on the same equipment transferring the same file. (In one case, a data scope was used to verify that the implementations were functioning identically. Apparently, one was just 10% less efficient at managing the serial and disk I/O on that hardware.) If that kind of difference is important to you, then simply specifying which _protocol_ to compare is pointless. My two cents: Kermit and ZModem are sufficiently close in speed (given good implementations of each) that ease of use and reliability are THE most important issues. Speed is no longer a major consideration. If you want faster transfers, buy a faster modem and a faster computer. Still not fast enough? Rent a T1 line. In fact, I regularly use a protocol that's much slower than either Kermit or ZModem simply because I have an implementation that's extremely easy to use. The minutes I save not having to remember which settings to fiddle more than make up for the seconds of extra transfer time. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 05:58:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 05:58:13 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set port tcp", then "connect", and I got: Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". "Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? Hans Lachman "You are lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike." From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:35:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!extra.cc.purdue.edu!cjdc From: cjdc@extra.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Christian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:35:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: extra.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? Chris -- PGP PUBLIC KEY available upon request From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:44:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:44:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ds150$drn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. >I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. >I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set >port tcp", then "connect", and I got: > > Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > >Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate >values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". >"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") >by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. > >I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. >Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? > No. MS-DOS Kermit is not a native NT application and can't use NT's TCP/IP protocol. Kermit executes its own built-in TCP/IP protocol code, which runs on top of either a packet driver or an ODI driver. I don't know enough about NT to say whether it is possible to run a "DOS virtual machine" under NT which includes a packet driver or ODI driver for your network board (this is possible under OS/2), but if so, then you make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit this way, but it would probably require shutting down TCP/IP on NT. In the future, we hope to have a native TCP/IP-capable Kermit version for NT, but I can't give an estimate yet as to when it might be ready. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:52:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:52:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ds1jj$eab@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Chris Christian wrote: >I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without >net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all >with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc >all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, > All of this is quite possible. >however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit >scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation >on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me >have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction >when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? > Why does it have to be free? The Kermit effort is entirely self supporting, depending on income from software distribution fees (dwindling in this era of burgeoning Internet access) and book sales for its continued existence. Since we have gone to the trouble of writing and publishing manuals that document the script programming language clearly and with numerous examples, why not simply "hit the books"? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!kgb!kevin.barkes From: kevin.barkes@kgb.com (Kevin Barkes) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem sh Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <941228104235598@kgb.com> Organization: Kevin G. 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Library, Pennsylvania, USA 15129-9735 * * OpenVMS Editor, DEC Professional Magazine * * Member, Editorial Review Board, Digital Systems Journal * From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 20:40:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dgis.dtic.dla.mil!! () From: () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 20:40:14 GMT Organization: Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC), Alexandria, VA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: sys_736.dtic.dla.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set for binary). Martin B. Isaksen misaksen@asc.dtic.dla.mil From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 21:00:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 21:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3dsjku$238@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>, wrote: >I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E >C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my >SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm >server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set >for binary). > It probably does not affect this problem, but the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). The most common reason for failed uploads is inadequate buffer capacity on the receiving end, probably the Penril device in this case, coupled with the lack of an effective means of flow control. Solution: reconfigure the communications server to have big buffers in the receiving direction as well as in the sending direction, and enable the most effective possible means of flow control (preferably RTS/CTS) between this device and the one it is most immediately connected to (presumably a modem). Same deal on the calling end. If the Penril and/or modem are unfixable, then use end-to-end Xon/Xoff flow control, which is less satisfactory as it is subject to latency and loss, and reduce Kermit's packet size until transfers start to work. If that's not it, then maybe we have a transparency problem, but let's try this approach first. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 16:20:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!info-server.bbn.com!news.bbn.com!clj From: clj@bbn.com (Chris Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: META key in MSKermit Date: 28 Dec 94 16:14:03 Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: unicorn.bbn.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:00:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:00:28 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 13 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi fellow Kermitters, I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos acting different, or should it not be??? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:17:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 28 Dec 1994 22:17:03 GMT Organization: Incredible Employees Assoc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought that there was some optimum window size and number. Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way over kill but optimum in all cases? Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial and error? Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. thanks -- Kendall Shaw "!" (415)364-1343 -- me kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:05:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: META key in MSKermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:05:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dsuh1$bn1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Jones wrote: >I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, >and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit >book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded >MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. > >A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers >are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is >frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and >I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have >to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. >Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? > I agree it would be nice to be able to assign arbitrary modifier functions (like Meta) to arbitrary keys (like Alt), but MS-DOS Kermit presently lacks this capability. But no, you don't have to write 128 SET KEYs because we've already done it for you in the EMACS.INI file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit, currently in Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Look in KEYBOARD subdirectory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:12:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:12:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One >persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to >transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of >working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, >then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? > No. >Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos >acting different, or should it not be??? > It isn't acting different. A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is the "called" one. The distinction is important because of what happens with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" IS the communication channel. When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:26:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:26:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <3dsvnt$crh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: >Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 >modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be >roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought >that there was some optimum window size and number. > If there was, we would make it the default for everybody. >Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way >over kill but optimum in all cases? > Because this can cause buffer overflows, network packet loss, etc. EVERY CONNECTION IS DIFFERENT! Even the same connection can be different from one moment to the next. >Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial >and error? > There is no formula. Each connection, each kind of box, each piece of wire, each kind of computer, each kind of modem, each operating system, each version of each of the preceding, etc etc, has its own peculiar characteristics. Bigger is not always better -- the curve tends to be bell-shaped, but on each connection the bell is a different shape. The best way to get your throughput up is probably to crank the window and packet sizes back down to conservative levels, say 4x1000 or so, and then read about control-character unprefixing in the documentation for the recent Kermit releases. That should get your ZIP file transfers over V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connections up to about 1600 cps. >Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better >in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. > V.42 is an error-correction protocol. It has little direct bearing on throughput -- you sort of have to view it as a block box. Whatever comes in one end is more-or-less-sort-of guaranteed to come out the other end, but it might take longer than you expect (due to retransmissions, retaining, etc, between the two modems). You probably mean V.42bis, which is a data compression protocol that rides over V.42 (or other reliable link layer). You are wondering: If my data file is already compressed, then aren't I making my modem work harder -- and therefore slowing it down -- if I ask it to compress the uncompressible? The answer is yes, but probably not very much -- probably less than 1%. Not enough to make it worth the time it takes for you to turn the feature off and on. Ditto for Kermit's own compression. Measurements show no significant difference in throughput with these features turned on and turned off. >I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 >and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. > How? Through a terminal server? You also might need to take a look at the terminal server's configuration. Make sure it has bidirectional RTS/CTS flow control enabled between itself and the modem. Turn off its Xon/Xoff flow control and all other kinds of per-character processing; some terminal servers have a command for this, such as Cisco's "terminal download". By the same token, make sure you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled between your PC and the modem is directly connected to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 02:31:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:31:54 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 45 Message-Id: References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local > Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is > the "called" one. So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which would be the remote then? > The distinction is important because of what happens > with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, > a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the > communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" > IS the communication channel. OK, sounds fine. I can see how that would make much since, but then the user can not cancel unless sitting at the hostterminal, right??? > When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the > local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you > do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is > in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer > display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Ok, how do you insure that the control-c's will work like c-kermit (remote mode)? > Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are > in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is > sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since > oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when > there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate this to another person. > - Frank Jeff Bishop From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:35:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Message-Id: <1994Dec28.203557.36129@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 94 20:35:56 MDT References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local >> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is >> the "called" one. > > So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which > would be the remote then? Your PC is in local mode. The BBS owner very definitely does NOT want you to break protocol mode and change states to something unknown. >> The distinction is important because of what happens >> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, >> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the >> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" >> IS the communication channel > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit > (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file > already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the > sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > > Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate > this to another person. Sure. READ THE SCREEN, if you are visually able to do so. Or get a friend to speak it. On the status line of the MS-DOS Kermit file transfer display screen, and discussed in the user's manual, is a legend explaining which keys to press to do a formal (nice, clean) protocol termination of just this file (X) or all files in this operation (Z) or stop the world abruptly (C) or more gently (E). Try it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 07:35:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Commodore C128 and Kermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 07:35:17 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3dtorl$13f@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in recommendations from C128 users as to which version of Kermit they find best. 1. CP/M Z80 Kermit 2. C64 Kermit 3. C128 Kermit 4. CKermit (Yes there is UNIX for the C128) From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 12:53:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!usenet From: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk (R Ghosh-Roy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / SLIP / PPP Date: 29 Dec 1994 12:53:21 GMT Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dubg1$7gm@izar.brunel.ac.uk> Reply-To: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: saturn.brunel.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be its a naive question but I would like to know which of the following three is best for my PCs talking to a SUN? 1. Kermit (whatever the latest version is) 2. SLIP 3. PPP 4. other Thanks, Rana PS: In future, I would also like to run X applications on my PC. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 15:19:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM3/COM4 Date: 29 Dec 1994 15:19:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3duk1r$j5a@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Keywords: thanks Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to end 1994 by complimenting Frank da Cruze and Joe Doupnik for the section on COM3/COM4 support in the MS-Kermit kermit.bwr file. It is the clearest, most cogent statement about an incredibly difficult subject that I have yet encountered. When I had the occasion to add COM3/COM4 support to some software I freely distribute (a blood glucose testing meter interface) I included kermit.bwr and recommended that prospective COM3/COM4 users of my software read it. Thanks, guys! Vic Abell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 19:16:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 Ready for Testing Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:16:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3e1m9j$f1q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Fri Dec 30, 1994, 16:20 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-16 include: . Fix command-line "-f filename" and related items. . More refinements to TCP/IP internals to better balance performance against impact on network, and to improve performance of SLIP and long-haul TCP/IP connections. . Allow passing of null strings to macros as {}. . Add Microcom QX/4232hs dialing script from Kevin Brott. . Fix \v(cps) to be usable as a variable in commands. . Add CPxxx.F08 fonts for use with longer screens. . Fix Hankaku-Katakana input (needed for Nikkei Telecom database). . Add documentation for Chinese to KERMIT.UPD. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 21:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 30 Dec 1994 13:33:19 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: > >sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > Uh, what's "Kerlite"? -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 04:30:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:30:47 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier on' doesn't do it. I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! If kermit wants to look for the presence of a DCE device, it should look at Data Set Ready (DSR), not a signal which shouldn't be present until connection. Any comments from anyone? BTW - I am sending this message by flipping to a DOS window and dialing out using MSKERMIT 3.01. This kermit doesn't get hung up on carrier :-) (excuse the pun). From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 13:47:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17156 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!oconnort From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 13:47:59 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3e3nef$ld2@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: > Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or > something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. Try "set carrier off" in your ckermod.ini file, in the OS/2 section. Worked great for me! --tim o'connor From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:26:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where's the last version ? Date: 31 Dec 1994 15:26:58 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? I gave a look at a lot of README files on columbia.edu and they are all talking of Mac version but apparently none is anymore available there. Thank you for your help. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 08:46:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 13:46:06 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens ---------- for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. Type ? or HELP for help Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... Installing patches... Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. --------------------------------------------- This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ... From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 09:10:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Message-Id: <1994Dec31.151033.36262@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 15:10:33 MDT References: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children > subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT > the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens > ---------- > for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having > only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): > > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > > Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. > --------------------------------------------- > > This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ------------- Just ignore the message. Betas change, preparing a legit Patch file is a lot of work, specific to that particular .exe file, and I'd rather spend time on other matters until we release the product. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 01:46:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!taylorj From: taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfers are too slow Date: 1 Jan 1995 01:46:42 GMT Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gaia.ecs.csus.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, but I am now a convert. Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, when it cycles back to one again. Some other misc. info: - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to those who have EC modems. I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. -Jon From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 03:22:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 03:22:16 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 16550. \|^) After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. So why am I using this bandwidth? 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a crude work-around. 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to remote takes a *long* time. 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow down in this fashion? Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:22:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Message-Id: <1994Dec31.202238.36269@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 20:22:38 MDT References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 86 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) writes: > > I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help > files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... > > Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, > v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer > (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to > swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). > This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change > the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just > refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, > but I am now a convert. > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work > correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length > set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in > throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and > windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error > correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with > compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window > setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks > will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of > [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries > occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and > one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one > more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the > number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the > whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the > cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, > when it cycles back to one again. > > Some other misc. info: > > - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The > Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. > > - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to > change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses > XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > > - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. > > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used > to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. > NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad > it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and > CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other > common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. > Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice > touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, > how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the > protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to > those who have EC modems. > I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why > I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. > > -Jon ----------------- You have two knobs to twist: "how much/packet length" and "time/window slots". Window slots cover up for delays of transmission and analysis time, by allowing the transmitter to continue sending before the receiver's ACKs arrive. Simply lengthening packets tries to cover up trasmission delays and analysis time by having fewer intervals between packets, and of course fewer header bytes to be exchanged too. But longer packets mean real buffering problems along the route, as you seem to have discovered. I suggest backing down some. Use smaller packets and at least two window slots. The product can be a few K bytes or less, depending on your particular site. Then that nasty flow control problem needs some probing, if possible. Your suggestions. Per packet window decorations cost performance, and "efficiency" figures apply only to serial port comms (and not very well to them these days with higher speeds on the DTE-DCE path than on the telco wires). We won't even consider turning off error detection: not only are modems not always error correcting, and never perfectly so even then, but there are a host of other causes of trouble, and you are assuming that checking is a serious performance penalty. Y-modem is hardly a protocol at all: it's a send & pray scheme. Speaking in harsh terms it is my feeling that secure file transfers are more important by far than either visual entertainment or games about the last bit/second; after all, within reason what is being transfered ought to be more important than the act of transferral. I hope you can sort out that horrid Xyplex terminal server problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 07:04:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:25:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:24:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: <1995Jan1.130459.36285@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jan 95 13:04:59 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion > board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a > non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial > port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS > 16550. \|^) > > After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' > Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to > either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in > the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I > don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have > commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). > > If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at > 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I > transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the > remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. > > So why am I using this bandwidth? I don't quite understand this last question. Your telco line is limited to 14,400 bps plus whatever compression can do (in Kermit, in the modem). 2600 cps is about 26,000 bps equivalent and that implies a compression of 2:1 (rather better than average). > 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial > command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to > return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops > before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a > crude work-around. That's a sure sign of hardware troubles (interrupts are lost, horribly for example). > 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to > remote takes a *long* time. Ditto. > 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a > very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The > screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in > between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & > looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. Flow control is the likely suspect and the other end thinks you have stopped the flow. Again, serious hardware problems can mess up serial port handshaking. > I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the > non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify > my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 > only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow > down in this fashion? Kermit will tell your about BIOSn. Just use SHOW COM to see it. SET PORT COM2 tells Kermit to use that port, and be sure there are no port-sensing commands before it (SHOW COM is a sensing command) so that the default COM1 is not touched by them. Try placing SET PORT COM2 near the top of file mskermit.ini to ensure that's the default port when the scripts run. "Non-standard hardware features" covers rather much territory and I hesitate to begin speculating what your computer really looks like at the hardware level. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 04:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: smartcomm script! wanted Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 04:48:00 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under kermit? I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to acknowledge kermit Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 10:46:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!ucsub.Colorado.EDU!glaserd From: glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 95 10:46:46 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsub.colorado.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #12 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. Thanx, Dave From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:35:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3e9a0r$fra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: >Uh, what's "Kerlite"? > KERLITE.EXE is a small-size edition of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It has no CONNECT command and no network support. It is designed to be used as an external Kermit protocol and/or script execution engine in BBS and other embedded applications. There is also a medium-sized edition called KERMITE.EXE, which includes text terminal emulation, but lacks graphics terminal emulation and network support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the last version ? Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:37:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-Id: <3e9a51$ft7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:08:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smartcomm script! wanted Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:08:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3e9but$h6e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Simon C.Hall wrote: >Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under >kermit? >I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to >acknowledge kermit > Did you try ULTRA144.SCR? That one is for Hayes Ultra 14400 bps modems, tested successfully on external models. Evidently you have an internal modem. First you have to give a SET PORT command to tell Kermit which port it's on, in case it is not on COM1. If you did that and it still doesn't work, then all the cautions about address and interrupt conflicts apply. Please read Section 6, "Troubleshooting MS-DOS Kermit Serial Port and Modem Problems", in the KERMIT.BWR file. By the way, an easy way to debug dialing troubles is to simply CONNECT to the port and type AT commands to the modem yourself. You don't *have* to use dialing scripts to dial. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:12:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:12:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Endo the river rat wrote: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. > Which Kermit programs are you using, and which version of each one? On what kind of computer? Using what connection method? etc etc. It's always a good idea to include a few relevant facts in trouble reports -- remember, there are hundreds of different Kermit programs running on probably thousands of different machine/OS/OS-version combinations. Anyway, the most likely explanation of the problem is that you failed to tell Kermit to transfer the files in binary mode. Kermit (unlike sz) uses text mode by default. Just tell (at least) the file sender to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY For safety (since you did not say what Kermit software you are using), give this command to both Kermit programs before starting the transfer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:00:37 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) writes: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. You have to tell both sides that the file is binary. On the unix side, add a -i flag to your kermit command line (or if you're talking to the C-Kermit> prompt, tell it "set file type binary" before "send" or "server"); on the Mac side (obviously what you're using) look under one of the menus for file transfer options and set the binary mode. (It's been a LONG time since I've used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if this requires 5A(190) or not...) Kermit won't eat your binaries if you tell it not to... GIGO, however.. warp eight bot, little froggy type dude Kermit. It's not just a file transfer anymore. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:18:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, Mark Foley wrote: >I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have >bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the >minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for >OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised >the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US >Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier >on' doesn't do it. > Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER OFF means to ignore carrier. >I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, >but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 >communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the >actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit >looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! > It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command in there a while back and forgot about it. Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:36:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:36:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <3e9dj0$ig6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, Jon M. Taylor wrote: >Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, >v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer >(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server ... > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work >correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length >set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in >throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and >windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error >correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with >compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window >setting than 1. >... >- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to >change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses >XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > Like it says in the documentation... tell C-Kermit on the host to "set flow none". It has a TCP/IP connection (TELNET or RLOGIN) to the terminal server, and the network protocol itself provides the flow control. Disabling Xon/Xoff in this situation should perk things up quite a bit. Second, make sure you have RTS/CTS enabled in MS-DOS Kermit on your PC *and* on your modem. Most of our high-speed dialing scripts take care of this automatically. I don't know a huge amount about Annexes, but I'll speculate that you are uploading. Many kinds of terminal servers were designed to have big buffers in the host-to-terminal direction and small ones in the opposite direction. This is bad for uploading files. At the very least, the system/network administrators must ensure an extremely effective and responsive method of flow control between the terminal server and the answering modem (preferably RTS/CTS). Better still, perhaps they can reconfigure the terminal servers to allocate buffer space more equitably. Or maybe the Annex has some kind of command that you can give at its prompt that will condition it for file transfers, similar to the Cisco terminal server's "terminal download" command. Finally, about the window size -- please read in the documentation about sliding windows. The file receiver will never use a window size greater than 1, even if a larger size has been SET and successfully negotiated, unless packets are lost or damaged. That's because normally packets arrive in their correct order and therefore each one is disposed of promptly as it arrives. > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used >to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. >NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad >it's out there. > Thanks. >A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and >CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other >common protocols do. > C-Kermit does this (when you use SET FILE DISPLAY FULLSCREEN), but generally speaking, size and efficiency are a bigger issue for MS-DOS Kermit, which must still run on 4.77MHz 8088s. Maybe some day this could be added as an option, but not in version 3.14. >Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, >how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the >protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to >those who have EC modems. > As Joe says, and has been explained repeatedly on many newsgroups, most recently on comp.dcom.modems, this would be a false economy. Even if modem connections could be regarded as 100% reliable and error-free, there are end-to-end issues of flow and error control, not to mention presentation issues, etc, that are beyond the modems' sphere of influence. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:43:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:43:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3e9dv7$isl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion >board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a >non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial >port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS >16550. \|^) > >After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, ... > Please try 3.14 Beta. There have been many improvements in the RS-232 (dealing with modem signals) area, which might affect your situation. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. >... >1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial >command to actually dialing the number. > This sounds like repeated flow-control failures and long timeout waits (about 15 seconds each). This probably means that Kermit has been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS prior to dialing, but that the modem has not been configured for RTS/CTS, or does not use it properly while in command mode. Try SET FLOW NONE during dialing, and then (if it works) change to SET FLOW RTS/CTS after dialing is complete. >2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to >remote takes a *long* time. > Again, it sounds like your modem is not asserting CTS at the time when CONNECT. Make sure Kermit and the modem are *both* set for RTS/CTS flow control. If that doesn't help, I'd say the modem is probably not working right -- or your cable does not connect the RTS and CTS terminals on each side to their counterparts on the other. >3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a >very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The >screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in >between. > Same deal, again. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:57:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC on kermit for oS/2 help needed??? Date: Mon, 02 Jan 1995 10:57:52 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 32 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get apc to work on ckermit 190 for OS/2. I am running ckermit 190 for os/2 using its network features, which are fantastic (thanks a lot for that). Here are the two unix scripts I use to try and do this: echo '_set file type binary, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 and echo '_set file type text, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 Now, the kermit.ini is like this: set delay 1 set window 4 set block 3 set receive packet-length 9024 SET RECEIVE PATH OFF set send packet-length 9024 set terminal apc on SET FILE COLL OVERWRITE SET FILE DISPLAY QUIET OK, ckermit 190 for OS/2 is in VT220 mode with APC turned on. If I run the script for the first time it simply returns me to the ckermit> prompt. I then have to connect and control-c out of ckermit on the unix box. I can then re-run the script the exact same way, and it works . Now, why is this? Keep in mind, both kermits are 190 level. I compiled the unix one just recently from the source on kermit.columbia.edu. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 09:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!unhf.unh.edu!jf_adams From: jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu (I've never met a Lasanga I didn't like - GARFIELD) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 2 Jan 1995 14:11 EST Organization: Comp. & Info. Services, University of New Hampshire Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unhf.unh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. I have a basic understanding of computers and use them a lot at work, but am not to familiar with kermit other then the basic aspect of transferring files and using it to make my a pc a dummy terminal for work (its a NEC pentium 66 mhz connecting to a VAX/VMS system at work). I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) Any tips/ideas/suggestions would be mucho apprecieated, Thanks Jonathan jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 08:29:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit auto DL/UL! Message-Id: <1995Jan2.142944.36328@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 95 14:29:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > After examining kermit packets closely a friend has determined two strings > that can be used to start kermit transfers automatically from {COMMO} (any > other term program for that matter). This is not using the APC logic described > in kermit.upd though. > > The two strings are: > > For upload I am using "^a# N3" download "^a5 S~". > > I have tested this and it works using msdos kermit on both sides. ----------- Only if a) Control-A is used as the start of packet character, and the checksum is correct b) this pattern can never exist in real data c) the other end is willing to send idle NAKs The S packet material is vital, is not nearly so short as you have describe, and must not be broken into pieces. Unfortunately, none of a..c is a requirement. Maybe your friend should also examine the protocol specs carefully to see the variations. In general, there is no safe pattern. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 20:51:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 15:51:02 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute, New York University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: murray.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:52:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:52:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 177 Message-Id: <3ea748$b7b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu>, wrote: >Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file faq.txt. >Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? > Listed below. >I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem >on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR that comes on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette, the section about PC serial ports and internal modems. It will tell what you need to know. >I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up >transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but >would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) > If it doesn't use a nonstandard address or IRQ, and if there is no IRQ conflict, just tell Kermit to "set port com3". If that doesn't do it, then please read the aforementioned file. For increasing packet sizes and other methods of making file transfers go faster, please read the aforementioned FAQ. KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:56:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:56:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ea7cc$bb6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: >I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set >the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As >F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case >in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. > Prior to C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1, the file transfer mode, text or binary, was ALWAYS governed by the file sender (as long as both Kermits supported and had successfully negotiated the use of File Attribute packets and the "file type" attribute). The file sender tells the file receiver the transfer mode, and the file receiver switches accordingly, automatically. In the new versions, but only when the two Kermit programs have a client/server relationship, it is the *client* that determines the transfer mode, no matter whether it is sending or receiving. This change was made by popular demand, to address the following scenario: 1. User starts remote Kermit, puts it in server mode. 2. User escapes back to local Kermit and tells it to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY GET OOFA.ZIP Previously, OOFA.ZIP would arrive in text mode. Now it arrives in binary mode. Please read the KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit 5A(190)) for a fuller explanation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 23:55:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 15:55:33 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eco5l$bbu@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Glenn R. Stone wrote: > >used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the >MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on >the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if >this requires 5A(190) or not...) > It does. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 00:30:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!netnews.whoi.edu!whsun1!dhiltz From: dhiltz@whsun1.whoi.edu (David Hiltz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:30:51 GMT Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ecq7r$do@pearl.whoi.edu> References: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: whsun1.wh.whoi.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David A. Berk (dab@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account : and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could : upload and download to. Any help appreciated. MenuPerl gives you simple menuing capability. You are going to have your Procomm users log onto a Unix host and run a menu program? If so, menuperl will do the job. ----------- David Hiltz dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu Network System Administrator Northeast Fisheries Science Center ######&@&###### From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:16:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:16:29 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ed0dt$d5g@rigel.infinet.com> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, : Mark Foley wrote: : > (stuff deleted) : >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or : >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have : >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier : >on' doesn't do it. : > : Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to : the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means : to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during : CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of : course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER : OFF means to ignore carrier. : It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or : CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command : in there a while back and forgot about it. : Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years : ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. : - Frank Thanks for the tips. I was confused about the ON/OFF meaning in SET CARRIER. I though SET CARRIER ON meant SET the CARRIER ON (or act like is set on, anyway). There is no SET CARRIER ... in either CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI. SET CARRIER AUTO still gave me the same problem. However, SET CARRIER OFF works just fine. I am writing this via OS/2 Kermit. I will get version 5A(190) ASAP. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:54:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: Gianluca Attura Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:54:01 GMT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. Regargs Luca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 18:28:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!not-for-mail From: dab@cnj.digex.net (David A. Berk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 3 Jan 1995 13:28:04 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could upload and download to. Any help appreciated. thanks; -- David Barak dab@cnj.digex.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 04:44:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit newbie Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:44:34 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please bear with my ignorance... I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many retries' message. Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). Thanks for your time and patience private e-mail preferred Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on Cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 19:10:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com!shapiro From: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing with kermit Followup-To: comp.software.testing Date: 3 Jan 1995 19:10:48 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Keywords: kermit testing Originator: shapiro@clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2977 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package known as kermit. Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient to "automate" tasks. Works rather well, Commands that complete quickly work great. Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the process. I've discovered that REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: "Sent too many NAKs" Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of quick executing commands and long executing commands. All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. small sample of a test script: ; SET NETWORK TCP/IP LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ who~sam~si~s& ]> \ jobs~s~-l ]> \ who~sam~si ]> quit ; SET HOST Anybody got any bright ideas? David Shapiro shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com PPS IBM Corp (914) 432-8018 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 16:01:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!zib-berlin.de!irz401!not-for-mail From: ss5@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Schwigon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 3 Jan 1995 17:01:45 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Reply-To: schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de Nntp-Posting-Host: irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the `get' command on a file? (Actually I split the file into a lot of small parts and use `set file collision discard'. But I still have to delete the last broken file.) Maybe this is a FAQ, so please write where I can find the FAQ. (Greeti+Tha)nX Steffen -- Steffen Schwigon schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de WWW: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ss5 fingerprint: AB FD 87 DF 3F 84 F0 3A E4 8B EB 09 CF 4B E3 94 PGP-public-key: mail me with `Subject: SEND-PGP-KEY' or finger me From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:09:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eea7n$h22@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de>, Steffen Schwigon wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the >Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes >the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the >`get' command on a file? > Yes. The new releases of Kermit software (some of them still in Beta) -- C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (Beta), and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 (Beta) -- allow a binary-mode file transfer to be resumed from the point of failure. Simply RESEND the file. See the appropriate update notices for details: KERMIT.UPD for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, ckcker.upd for C-Kermit, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:28:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing with kermit Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 129 Message-Id: <3eebb1$igb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit testing Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2980 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1530 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package >known as kermit. > It's not public domain. Read the copyright notice. >Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network >with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient >to "automate" tasks. > >Works rather well, >Commands that complete quickly work great. >Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the >process. I've discovered that >REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 >will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: >"Sent too many NAKs" > This type of message appears when a file transfer fails. A NAK (Negative Acknowledgement) occurs when an expected packet does not arrive within the specified (or default) timeout interval, or when it arrives in damaged condition (e.g. back checksum). The only "commands" that time out are file transfers and other protocol- driven operations (client/server stuff) and script programming commands that expect certain inputs within a specified or default amount of time. You can control protocol-related timeouts with the SET { SEND, RECEIVE } TIMEOUT command. { REMOTE } SET SERVER TIMEOUT controls only one thing: whether Kermit, when in server mode, sends periodic NAKs while waiting for commands, i.e. when it is doing nothing. These NAKs are normally not needed, but if the Kermit program on the other end is not capable of timing out (e.g. early versions, circa 1981, of CP/M Kermit), then this would be the only way to break the deadlock that would occur if a server command packet sent by a non-timing-out client were to be lost in transit. >Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of >quick executing commands and long executing commands. >All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands >with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. > All you have to do is read the manual. >small sample of a test script: > >; SET NETWORK TCP/IP >LOG SESSION output.out >SET HOST node >script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ >who~sam~si~s& ]> \ >jobs~s~-l ]> \ >who~sam~si ]> quit > In this example, you are using the old uucp-style SCRIPT command, which is not the best way to write scripts because it is cryptic, limited, and inflexible. There is a much more readable, powerful, and flexible script programming language that is documented in chapters 11-13 of the manual (see below). It lets you (for example) specify an explicit timeout on each item. Your example above might be recoded as something like this: LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node SET INPUT ECHO ON ; (or OFF, as you wish) INPUT 20 gin: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get Login prompt} OUTPUT root\13 INPUT 5 word: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get password prompt} SET INPUT TIMEOUT QUIT INPUT 30 ]> OUTPUT who\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT date\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT who am i\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT jobs -l\13 >Anybody got any bright ideas? > Read the manual? Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank P.S. I sympathize with people who don't like the SCRIPT command. Once the INPUT/OUTPUT/IF/GOTO/FOR/WHILE/etc style of script programming was added to C-Kermit in version 5A, I was tempted to yank it out, but of course I could not because many people depended on it. People who want to write new scripts, however, are encouraged to use the new features rather than the old SCRIPT command unless they are totally comfortable with the SCRIPT command and its limitations. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:35:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3eebnd$ivm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura wrote: >I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. > Long packets are not new. They are documented in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. The *use* of long packets is documented in the user manuals for each Kermit program, such as "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit". APC capabilities are relatively recent. They are documented in the update notes that come with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later (KERMIT.UPD), C-Kermit 5A(190) or later (CKERMIT.INF for OS/2, ckcker.upd for UNIX, VMS, etc). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:39:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit newbie Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:39:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3eebv4$j5f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using >a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. > >When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I >enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many >retries' message. > >Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an >enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). > When the "UNIX shell comes up C-Kermit>", that's called a prompt. Just above the prompt it said: Type ? or HELP for help Did you try that? In any case, if you think about it for a second, if you want to download a file, you have to tell the software the name of the file to be downloaded. So, for example, if the file's name was "oofa.txt", you would type, in response to the C-Kermit> prompt: send oofa.txt Then you would instruct your terminal program to receive the file. Obviously (I hope), you must also instruct your terminal program to use Kermit protocol. For further information, please read the pertinent manuals. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 15:35:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP support? Date: 4 Jan 1995 15:35:11 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Keywords: PPP, Kermit, TCP/IP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works great. However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something wrong? BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:42:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!night.primate.wisc.edu!kbad.eglin.af.mil!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Control: cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:42:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3eej4p$5i6@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:47:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:47:11 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) to tackle today's problem. I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for resetting colors, right? :^) andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 22:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 22:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ef8ap$71c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, A. Andrew Brennan wrote: > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) > From the KERMIT.UPD for version 3.14: SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 If Kermit receives a "reset visual attributes" escape sequence (CSI 0 m) from the host, this does not affect the screen coloration. However, some applications expect it to restore the default fore- and background colors. SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 tells Kermit to do this. v3.14. By the way, if you have any official DEC documentation that says this should be the default behavior, we'd like to see it. Our DEC VT manuals list the actions to be taken on CSI 0 m very explicitly, and none of them affect the coloration. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 23:25:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Message-Id: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Date: 4 Jan 95 18:25:24 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 02:58:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner>, Scott Burns wrote: >While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit >C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: > >Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 > >Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all >DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think >those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? > >scott >burns@eisner.decus.org OS2SM is a library that WinNT 3.5 does not provide. Therefore, C-Kermit will not work on Windows NT. Unfortunately, you will have to wait for an NT specific version. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 12:25:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 05 Jan 1995 12:25:15 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using the regular MSDOS kermit under Windows NT, and if you don't try to push it too hard it works fine (I notice a tendency of it to drop characters if I try any speed faster than 19.2K). Presumably a native version for NT would have less emulation overhead and could run at much higher speeds, but the DOS version is fine for me. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 15:12:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 10:12:14 -0500 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is needed? Thanks for any help. .---John D. Laessig-------.-------------------------------------------. | Physics Building #16 | Email Address: jl0h@lehigh.edu | | Lehigh University | | `---Bethlehem, PA 18015---^-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 18:47:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!brs From: brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Bernd Seitter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit problems Date: 5 Jan 1995 18:47:16 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: reggae.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Keywords: MacKermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hoi ! i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. the script looks like this : open read foo.bar read \%a echo \%a the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this this is test end of test MacKermit 0.99(190) 11/26/93 16:12 behaves like this : when running the script : Unknown IO error : -51 zclose(): i dont know what kind of file this is : 9 MacKermit 0.991(190) 08/19/94 10:01 behaves like this : when running the script : i'm transfered to MacBugs : mberto+00A2 (by the way : this happens everytime i try to run a script, even the script contains only a comment ...) on the command line everything works fine with this version of kermit (0.991(190)). any ideas or help out there ? thank you very much !! -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 21:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: MacKermit problems Message-Id: Keywords: MacKermit Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 21:23:00 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Bernd Seitter wrote: >hoi ! > >i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. > >the script looks like this : > open read foo.bar > read \%a > echo \%a > >the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this > > this is test > end of test > I had similar problems with OpenVMS Kermit and the problem was resolved by doing a... set file type text before opening the file. It may or may not be the same problem. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 23:29:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ehvcr$fbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, JOHN DONALD LAESSIG wrote: >Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with >ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is >needed? > Configure each PC's Kermit program for TCP/IP according to the instructions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 17. On one PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp *", which means wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, and then "server" to put it in Kermit server mode. Then on the other PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp xxxx", where xxxx is the IP address of the first PC, and then just give it SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, and similar commands. You can even transfer entire directory trees from one PC to another in this way. Use the XSEND utility that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit (or at least it will be supplied with version 3.14 -- in earlier versions it was on a separate "utilities" diskette). You can ftp the XSEND utility from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, files msixse.*. The binary is in kermit/bin/msixse.exe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 04:21:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Message-Id: <1995Jan5.102140.36604@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 95 10:21:40 MDT References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes: > Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with > ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is > needed? ------------ Yes, and not only using TCP/IP but also NetBIOS and some other networking channels. One is placed in Telnet listen mode, SET PORT TCP *, the other is a regular client. For file transfer put the listener in Kermit SERVER mode. It's in the manuals and release notes. Try the 3.14 beta; it's really fast between PCs this way (I clock about 70KB/sec between 486's). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 07:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.132932.36513@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 13:29:32 MDT References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes: > Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty > "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) > to tackle today's problem. > > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) ----------- Display attributes, the CSI Pn; Pn..; Pn m command, lacks color information. Read what attributes are being controlled and the matter should be clearer. The ANSI.SYS TSR for DOS has little relationship with the comms world. But many of us have used it for color information in lieu of an acceptable substitute. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta has a command to zap colors to defaults upon a CSI m; use SET TERM COLOR ? to see, or read the docs in the beta archive file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 05:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP support? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.110017.36484@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 11:00:17 MDT References: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu>, luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) writes: > I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the > UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal > server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the > packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the > connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works > great. > > However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the > Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I > set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters > (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, > CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that > mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something > wrong? > > BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, > V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s > for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I > have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive > packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). > On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -------------- As we've mentioned a number of times here and in the docs, MS-DOS Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack works with a) Packet Drivers which present either an Ethernet (DIX flavor) or SLIP interface, b) Novell ODI drivers, including SLIP_PPP, c) Telebit's PPP drivers (Packet Driver flavor and ODI flavor). There is no such thing as a standardized top level interface for PPP drivers. Every one is vastly different, and almost completely undoc'd. I wish I could say something nice about Merit's Etherppp package, but to be honest it has never ever run here. It hangs my PC every time as it initializes, well before Kermit enters the picture, and I do know what I'm about in PCs. I think you will find the next beta has better SLIP performance, but it's rather awkward for me to explore this locally. A lot, and that does mean a lot, of work has been done to minimize the number of packets appearing on the wires so that SLIP and PPP may work well. There is a tradeoff between fewest packets and greatest throughput in the face of packet losses, yet SLIP/PPP wants both. There are no canned cures for these conflicting requirements. And that means I won't entertain any silly bits/sec contest such as we see with straight serial comms; it's just not that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 15:57:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 95 21:57:03 MDT References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: > I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new > Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. --------------- APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 20:50:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!stimpy.eecis.udel.edu!alexandr From: alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Server & Con Redirection Date: 6 Jan 1995 20:50:40 GMT Organization: Mos Eisley Candy Store Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stimpy-fddi.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these questions? As always, all help is appreciated and thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> alexandr@louie.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@chopin.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 14:24:36 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, I use RUN MODE 80,50 to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 to preserve the 50 status line. when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to 50 rows? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 19:48:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:48:52 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand it if I did. I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me. --- Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP monty@indirect.com James_T.._Monty.ANDERSEN_WO@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 22:38:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!hookup!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jeanlaur From: jeanlaur@cat.syr.EDU (Pierre Jean-Laurent) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 06 Jan 1995 22:38:05 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if possible) via e-mail. Thank you, Pierre Jean-Laurent jeanlaur@mailbox.syr.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 21:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Date: 7 Jan 1995 21:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Message-Id: <3en0uk$ls5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Jim Monty wrote: >DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > Thank you for consulting the documentation. >I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, >using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 >terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page >CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may >assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > >Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves >as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results >in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on >the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these >exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my >dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other >terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this >way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > >I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit >configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never >really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out >myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in >advance, for taking the time to help me. > >Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP > Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT). As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace. The terminal emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key. Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed as "^?". Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters: 0/8 BS (Backspace). A one-active-position format effector that moves the position backward on the same line. 7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an erroneous or unwanted character... In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command. The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the key. Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\). The scan code for the Backspace key is \270. The default definition for this key is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL. You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the desired key or key combination. Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS (Backspace) -- for destructive backspace. Consulting the ASCII table on page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8. So to make PC's Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command: SET KEY \270 \8 If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit. But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace. You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from one to another: SET KEY \270 \8 ; Backspace sends BS or: SET KEY \270 \127 ; Backspace sends DEL or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this. In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM. The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL. The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used. You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. To use a macro, just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt. Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need to be changed when you switch between the two. You could write two macros such as these: define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8 define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127 And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type "unix". Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 22:32:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Date: 7 Jan 1995 22:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3en4pr$o7l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Cc: In article , Pierre Jean-Laurent wrote: >I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit >on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect >command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow >(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works >fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if >possible) via e-mail. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.13 or later. There is a big section on this. You have to make sure you are telling Kermit to use the right COM port, and that, if it is not COM1 or COM2, what its address and interrupt are, and that there are no interrupt conflicts. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:04:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 06:04:39 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: >> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. >--------------- > APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. >Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as >new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: >the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced >in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. > Joe D. Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the 'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 10:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.163118.36910@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 16:31:18 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >>> >>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >>> mode. > > [snip] > >> It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you >> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. >> I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the >> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . >> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run >> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. >> CTTY is less than inadequate. >> Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There >> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such >> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running >> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply >> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is >> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. >> If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. >> Joe D. > > I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. > All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there > any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, > so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I > suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I > would like to get kermit to do this if it can. > > I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory > and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is > there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM > that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct > serial link instead of a modem? ----------------- It's called SERVER mode, a standard feature of Columbia Kermits since day one. Rather than go though a long explaination of this may I recommend reading about it in the user's manual, the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" book. It is very simple to use: Kermit command SERVER, at the minimum. Protection features are available too, via ENABLE/DISABLE, and even a SET SERVER command to add a little more control. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica.cica.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 06:38:25 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific kermit program on SCO Unix. I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. 1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block check is? 2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? 3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long packet lengths? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 09:21:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Message-Id: <-3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Control: cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:21:58 GMT Approved: news@news.iastate.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 16:56:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3ejsoh$phe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) writes: >I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... >SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific > kermit program on SCO Unix. The provided makefile compiles Kermit source to "wermit", to give a test version which won't overwrite the production "kermit". The System Admin is supposed to rename it to "kermit" when satisfied with it. > I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. > >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? Block check is the same as Checksum. Kermit Crosstalk set block 1 checksum single set block 2 checksum double set block 3 checksum CRC If they don't match, you'll get: >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? It could be, but non-matching Checksum parameters will cause it. I don't know what parts of the Kermit protocol Crosstalk implements. When I used to run Windows on my PC, I used MS-Kermit in a DOS Full-Screen session as my terminal emulator. It was very compatible with the C-Kermit on the Unix boxes, and was free! (Now running OS/2 so have C-Kermit at both ends). You'll have to check your Crosstalk documentation to see what it supports. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:49:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:49:06 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? `Block' and `packet' are synonyms. They're interchangable. The `checksum' setting in your modem software is the same as the `block check' setting in the Kermit program. Here's the correspondence: single checksum -> block check 1 double checksum -> block check 2 CRC -> block check 3 Generally, if you're playing with long packets, you should always use CRC/block check 3. >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? If your software supports it (many don't), setting a window size of 8 or 16 with 1k or 2k packets is typically faster than trying to use very long packets. Dunno why your transfer would quit after 1 error. If you want good Kermit performance, you might consider getting a copy of MS-Kermit for your PC. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:31:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!wanda.pond.com!not-for-mail From: getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Problem? Date: 6 Jan 1995 12:49:26 -0500 Organization: FishNet Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wanda.pond.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: parity, duplex, handshake etc. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank You. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:19:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!hopper.acm.org!ACM.ORG!JEY From: jey@ACM.ORG (Justin E. York (ANT)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need Zmodem for AXP/OpenVMS Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:19:30 GMT Organization: ACM Network Services Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ek1ji$rnv@hopper.acm.org> Reply-To: jey@ACM.ORG Nntp-Posting-Host: acm.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I know that this is a kermit newsgroup, however I'm hoping that some of the readers of this group will know where I can find a commercial (or freebie) zmodem package. We run a DEC AXP with Open VMS 6.1. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail responses to "JEY@ACM.ORG". Thanks in advance, Justin York __ +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | Justin E. York | JEY@ACM.org * (817) 776-5695 | | (Guarants) | Applied Network Technologies | +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:35:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3ek2h7$3df@news.halcyon.com> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? These two items correspond to one another. Your Crosstalk comm. software refers to as "checksum" what kermit refers to as "block-check". Kermit Crosstalk ------ ----- set block-check 1 checksum single set block-check 2 checksum double set block-check 3 checksum CRC --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 07:15:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem? Message-Id: <1995Jan6.131522.36806@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 13:15:22 MDT References: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com>, getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) writes: > Hello: > > I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. > > I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully > connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a > file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using > C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several > retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, > flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried > changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control > to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC > regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: > parity, duplex, handshake etc. > > What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? ------------- Maybe the above isn't the problem. Could you relate what message is displayed when MSK gives up, and more importantly what commands you issued on both ends to accomplish the file transfer (which is where the problem resides according to my crystal ball). Finally, the Sun end needs adequate flow control too, or it can/will overrun it's attached modem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:24:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162450.36823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:24:50 MDT References: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, > > I use > > RUN MODE 80,50 > > to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 > to preserve the 50 status line. > > when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back > to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to > 50 rows? --------------------- Because that's not a real video mode but rather a combination of actions: change the fonts to 8x8 yet retain a video mode of 3 (normal color 0x25) for video sync, change the Bios work area to say 50 lines. It's a hack. I don't know how your adapter got into such a state and thus I (MSK) can't return it to that state. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:27:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162705.36824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:27:05 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, > using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 > terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page > CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may > assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > > Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves > as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results > in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on > the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these > exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my > dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other > terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this > way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > > I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit > configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never > really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out > myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in > advance, for taking the time to help me. ----------- SET KEY. Reread the manual on the matter. Define the Backspace key to send whatever is needed by the remote host. Control-H is Backspace, BS, decimal 8. DEL, Delete, is decimal 127. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:36:40 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server > mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. > However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. > Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. > On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from > the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. > Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not > really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to > redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. > > Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty > clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's > ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these > questions? ------------- It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. CTTY is less than inadequate. Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Message-Id: <1995Jan6.232517.36863@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 23:25:17 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jeanlaur@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Pierre Jean-Laurent) writes: > Hi, > > I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit > on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect > command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow > (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works > fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if > possible) via e-mail. --------------- It's a "talk but not listen" situation, which is described at length in the release notes. In short, your machine's configuration is in need of adjustment. Please get the MS*.BWR and MS*.UPD text files from dir kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Don't let the machine win the war just because it's won this particular battle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:14:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 8 Jan 1995 17:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ep6go$nue@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the >'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? > Eventually. Along with 50,000 other things, this is on our list. Between designing, writing, and documenting the software, handling untold numbers of tech-support requests each day, trying to keep this newsgroup going as a useful and informative forum, RAISING FUNDS (hint hint), and generally doing our best to keep the ship afloat and on course, a lot of things take more time than we'd like them to. There are only a few of us doing all this work. Right now we're trying to get the new releases of MS-DOS Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit finished. We try to focus on those items that benefit the most people, and simultaneously promote the continued health of the Kermit effort itself. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:22:29 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. Martin From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 14:34:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Grabbing text from a remote session Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 14:34:38 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. The process of entering the support call generates a sequence number for that call that needs to be given back to our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears on the screen when the information is being entered. Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the session to a file and then read it back from that file, but I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use to file away the remotes responses?? Are there any other suggestions on how this could be accomplished? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 20:26:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Message-Id: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Date: 5 Jan 95 15:26:11 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Unfortunately I require C-Kermit. Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get C-Kermit working under NT ? Last I heard someone had reserved the ck? letter for NT. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:16:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Grabbing text from a remote session Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:16:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3epdlo$232@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer >and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. >The process of entering the support call generates a sequence >number for that call that needs to be given back to >our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears >on the screen when the information is being entered. > >Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the >screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the >session to a file and then read it back from that file, but >I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab >it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use >to file away the remotes responses?? > There are numerous approaches, none of them pretty. You are deeply into the area we know as "screen scraping". First of all, LOG SESSION should, indeed, work during script execution, as well as in CONNECT mode. So the brute-force approach is to LOG SESSION and then grovel through the session-log file afterwards to find the sacred number, either by hand or by program. Well, if it can be done by program, that means there is some pattern that allows you to locate the number. If that is true, then you can also use INPUT or MINPUT commands in your Kermit script to locate (say) the thing that comes just before or just after the number, and then you can pull the number out of the \v(input) buffer by using string functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, in a Kermit script program. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3epe2n$2in@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: >How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to >open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file >handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? >Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. > As described in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 232, the variable \v(ttyfd) contains the open file descriptor of the communication channel, which can be either a serial device or a TCP/IP connection (or, in the case of SunLink X.25, an X.25 connection). If your communication application accepts an arbitrary file descriptor, then you can pass it via this variable. Otherwise, you can use the redirection capabilities of certain shells, notably ksh, to redirect the fd to your communication program's stdin/stdout. Version 5A(190), the current release of C-Kermit, includes a new REDIRECT command that starts a given program with its stdin/stdout redirected to C-Kermit's open communications channel. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 06:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 12:11:09 CST References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >> mode. [snip] > It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you > hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. > I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the > net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . > If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run > DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. > CTTY is less than inadequate. > Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There > are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such > as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running > in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply > into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is > not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. > If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. > Joe D. I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I would like to get kermit to do this if it can. I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct serial link instead of a modem? Thanks for any replies, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 20:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!access4.digex.net!cmilton From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Avatex 2400E modem info Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 15:23:29 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My library received an Avatex 2400E modem as a gift with no documentation. We haven't found an address or phone number for Avatex. We need at least some idea what the dialing codes are for this thing. Any help would be appreciated. All the info I have: uses RJ11C outlet and DB-25 RS-232-C female port indicator lights Power TR SD RD HS CD OH AA Communications Canada # 875 3075 A Ringer Equiv 0.7B DOC load # 6 Serial Number 1310065 Made in Thailand --- Christopher M Milton cmilton@access.digex.net Arlington (VA) Central Library (703) 358-5945 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 22:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!usenet From: kubat@polymer.kth.se (Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exit on NO CARRIER Date: 8 Jan 1995 22:59:41 GMT Organization: KTH Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3epqot$cra@news.kth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: kubat.physchem.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Friends, Is there anyone who can tell me how to get a Kermit script to exit Kermit when NO CARRIER. I have a script that automatically dials selected numbers and connect with password and everything, but when the connection is over I have to press ALT-X. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 23:01:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!news.ifm.liu.se!news.lysator.liu.se!pi92mti From: pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: long block protocol Date: 08 Jan 1995 23:01:03 GMT Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. Soft Center, Ronneby Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.pt.hk-r.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? Where can I get information on it? -- Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 12:46:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: long block protocol Message-Id: <1995Jan8.184629.37000@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jan 95 18:46:29 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) writes: > What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? > Where can I get information on it? > > -- > Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se ----------- I think you mean long packets, since in Kermit-speak "block" refers to the kind of checksum. Long packets are a standard part of the Kermit protocol, have been since goodness knows when (going on a decade, +/- 5%). It's not a protocol b t a feature of the Kermit protocol. For the rules on the matter please see the official reference: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 1987, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 02:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 Ready for Testing Date: 9 Jan 1995 02:57:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3eq8mc$g4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, Jan 8, 1995, 9:50pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-17 include: . A macro which is invoked with no arguments now (once again) sees its argc value as 1, rather than 10. . SET STOP-BITS { 1, 2 } added to accommodate devices that really do need 2 stop bits. Yes, there really is at least one (it's a lathe). . SET FOSSIL DISABLE-ON-CLOSE { OFF, ON } allows control of whether fossil driver is "deinitialized" by Kermit upon close or exit. See KERMIT.UPD for details. . Dialing script added for MegaHertz/Telepath PCMCIA V.32bis data/fax modem. . More TCP/IP performance tweaks. . A Telnet options negotiation bug that was introduced in Beta-17 is fixed. . A problem with the TAKE command finding files when full path not given, fixed. . Minor bug with TAKE files whose last line is not properly terminated, fixed. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 06:05:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 06:05:57 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. The suns uses c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). 1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? 2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on the Unix system? Sorry if I have not used the right tech terms By the way, thankyou for fixing the mail command in mskermit. I think that I one of the few people on earth who uses that function. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 13:55:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 13:55:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-Id: <3erf8q$1rl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Initialization, Telnet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. > The suns uses >c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). >1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in >c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me >to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. > Yes, all of the above, as explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". The recommended method is to install the standard C-Kermit initialization file, .kermrc, in your home directory, and then create a .mykermrc file, also in your home directory, containing the desired customization commands. For those who don't like the standard .kermrc file (which sets up such items as your services directory, dialing directory, etc), just make a .kermrc file. >How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? > See above. You can also tell C-Kermit to use any file at all as its initialization file, using the -y command-line option: kermit -y filename And at any time C-Kermit is showing its prompt, you can tell it to execute commands from a file: C-Kermit> take filename And you can define macros and execute them like so: C-Kermit> define fast set rec packet-length 2000, set window 4 C-Kermit> fast And you can put the macro definitions in your initialization file or any other file that you can "take". All of this is explained in the manual. >2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of >kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those >telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit >into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit >to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on >the Unix system? > You mean, after dialing up to your Unix system, you want to know why you might want to use C-Kermit instead of telnet to connect to another system on the Internet? The advantages include: . Kermit is more user-friendly ("help", "?", command and filename completion, etc). . The telnet implementation works in some cases where regular telnet does not. . Kermit has scripting (automation) capability; telnet does not. . Kermit has (in the UNIX version, a limited form of) key mapping; telnet doesn't. . Kermit can convert among many different character sets, telnet can't. . Kermit has session logging, telnet doesn't. . Kermit can make 8-bit telnet connections; some telnet clients can't. . Kermit can transfer files over a telnet connection, telnet can't. The last point is important in the increasing number of cases where the telnetted-to host or service does not provide ftp; e.g. Internet BBSs, or Internet versions of commercial dialup services. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 23:21:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.oleane.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 00:21:10 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type 8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) are used to do it on any Mac. As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. Is this possible ? What should I do ? May I do (write, program) it ? Thanx for any hint. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:05:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:02:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!billmaly From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:08:23 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where might I find it? Any help is appreciated. -- Bill Maly billmaly@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:48:20 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3et734$jg8@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote: : I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my : DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where : might I find it? Any help is appreciated. : -- : Bill Maly : billmaly@iastate.edu ftp to kermit.columbia.edu in directory /kermit/test/bin get the file mstibm.zip This is the latest beta version. I also suggest that you get the manual "Using Ms-Dos Kermit" 2nd edition by Christine M. Gianone Digital press $34.95 isbn 1-55558-082-3 You may also want the Manual for Unix it is "Kermit: a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz $29.95 To order these directly from the publisher dial 1 800 344 4825 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 14:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 14:00:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3eu3up$e8p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type >8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) >are used to do it on any Mac. > >As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the >screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: >displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. > You should be able to do it. Please read the ckmker.bwr file that accompanies Mac Kermit 0.991(190). You will see there are many shortcomings in the international character-set support, but it still can be done. You have to tell Kermit (in the Terminal settings) to allow 8-bit characters, and you have to select Latin-1 as the character-set. The big problem is with entering 8-bit characters. Since Mac Kermit's font is not a regular system font, but rather a built-in one, you can't use Keycaps in the normal way, which is frustrating. Nevertheless, you should be able to enter 8-bit characters in the normal way, provided you have not done anything to the Alt (Option?) key in the Modifiers dialog of the Key Settings menu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 18:54:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:49:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:48:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Strange characters Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:54:40 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect to my an RS/6000 running AIX. When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times in the past with no ill effects. What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application that I ran. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 01:15:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Date: 11 Jan 1995 01:15:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) >over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect >to my an RS/6000 running AIX. > Which version of AIX? >When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes >complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once >normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit >caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times >in the past with no ill effects. > First you have to tell us what you are using for a terminal or terminal emulator. Then you would need to describe the garbage in greater detail. Is it a jumble of line- and box-drawing characters? Or is it a lot of accented letters? >What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, >or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? > >It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, >and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application >that I ran. > First, carefully check your terminal type in AIX. Be sure it is not AIXTERM! If it is, change it to vt-whatever (depending on your terminal or emulator). Next, be sure to tell C-Kermit to: set terminal bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 as described in the manual, for accessing an 8-bit application like Lynx (or rn, or trn, etc). Finally, depending on exactly what kind of text you are accessing with Lynx, and what your terminal or emulator is, be sure to set either C-Kermit or your terminal (emulator) for the proper character-set translations. If this is not enough to get things working for you, send me e-mail with the details and maybe a session log. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 12:38:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!zeus!glald From: glald@zeus.bris.ac.uk (AL. Davies) Subject: Is there an FAQ ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:38:13 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? I'd like to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. Any help greatly appreciated! Cheers, Alastair Davies University of Bristol U.K. alastair.davies@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 13:47:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!senior.nectec.or.th!morakot!sompop From: sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 13:47:50 GMT Organization: National Electronics and Computer Technology Center, Bangkok Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: morakot.nectec.or.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. The TERM environment is set to VT320. DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared after redraw screen. Thanks, Sompop Kumnoonsate sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:20:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ? Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:20:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3f0pfi$4b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , AL. Davies wrote: >I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. >I'd like >to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, >and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer >the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. > This is not covered in the FAQ because it is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:43:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3f0qpq$63u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Status line Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, Sompop Kumnoonsate wrote: >Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? > It is, by default. >I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. >The TERM environment is set to VT320. >DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character >will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first >line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be >disappeared after redraw screen. > The vt320 has 24 regular lines and one status line. The status line should not be addressed by regular cursor-positioning commands like [25;1H, but rather by: CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Check your vt320 termcap entry. There are items such as "hs, "ds", "es", "fs", "ts", and "ws" that are used to handle the status line. Note that Kermit protects its status line from ordinary screen operations. It does not scroll, it does not disappear when the screen is cleared, etc. However, Kermit does allow the status line to be addressed directly by the host via [25;xH, because this is commonly used by host applications like sysline, etc. Some OTHER applications apparently rely on the fact that if you address a line (row) number that is greater than the actual number of lines, that the cursor will go to the last line. (One program that absolutely relies on this fact is "resize".) The problem comes in when we address "last line plus one" -- the purpose of this direct addressing is ambiguous. So we have two classes of applications whose use of [25;xH are in direct conflict with each other. The solution, in UNIX at least, is to cook up separate termcap/terminfo entries for the two variations. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 05:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Message-Id: <1995Jan11.115728.37354@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 95 11:57:28 MDT References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) writes: > Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? It does. > I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. > The TERM environment is set to VT320. > DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character > will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line > will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared > after redraw screen. That's a mistake in OSF. Kermit has provided access to the status line, for many many years, by allowing it to be targeted directly via such a cursor steering command. Real VT300's will put the cursor on line 24 rather than 25 (or whatever the status line is in Kermit, depending on screen length). I suggest having a look at the termcap/terminfo material on your system and change the item which mistakenly references line 25. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 18:40:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:40:28 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:15:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 17:31:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Message-Id: <1995Jan11.123136.11637@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 11 Jan 95 12:31:36 -0500 References: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had a similar problem - whenever I got noise on the line the terminal would go to a graphics character set. I circumvented the problem by setting all the graphic character tables to the same character set. For example: set term char ascii g0 g1 g2 g3 I don't know if this is the same problem, but you might give it a shot. I'm sure Frank could give a more technical explanation. Russ Forthofer From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:54:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local bookstore: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:55:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:55:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3cdd$4rj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace >vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had >this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? > Please consult our new FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 16:57:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa053.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, they are: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!tem From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 12 Jan 1995 17:49:26 GMT Organization: HSU Library Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Reply-To: tem@scout.humboldt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: scout.humboldt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 terminal? Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for F1, etc. Thanks, tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 18:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umd.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:28:45 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umd.edu In-Reply-To: edge@dircon.co.uk's message of 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. How about kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 ? [omit the set port if you're on com 1], omit the set speed if it's already set right. Include the path to kermit if it's not already in your path. call kermit kermit.exe if there's a kermit.bat that conflicts.. Newer versions of kermit may have a different command line syntax?] -- Raul D. Miller N=:((*/pq)&|)@ NB. public e, y, n=:*/pq P=:*N/@:# NB. */-.,e e.&factors t=:*/<:pq 1=t|e*d NB. ((1&=@| 2&^@<:)*./@,(>&(2^1024)))pq x-:d P,:y=:e P,:x NB. (d P,:y)-:D P*:N^:(i.#D)y [. D=:|.@#.d From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 15:51:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: Steve Layten Subject: ms-kermit and PCTCP Message-Id: <1995Jan12.155107.21458@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:51:07 GMT Lines: 87 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've just spent a frustrating few days trying to get ms-kermit set up on a PC using FTP Software's PCTCP under Windows for Workgroups 3.11. There were several difficulties, but I now think I have a setup that works (mostly). I scoured the docs in the latest beta release of ms-kermit in the networks directory. I read the bwr file, the help file, etc., but still had trouble. Part of the trouble is a "user hostile" environment in my organization -- We have a site license for FTP Software's PCTCP, and limited copies of the documentation. Our network folks are too busy "solving real problems" to help internal users set up their machines in any "non-standard" setup. "Use what we give you -- it works for us." is implicit, whether we like the setup or not. First, I'd like to thank J. Doupnik for his good work. I've been using MS-Kermit for years to access my UNIX system at work from home. What a quality product! Now, I'd like to correct an error in and expand upon Section 4.1 of the file "setup.doc" in the networks directory. ---- Begin corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ (4.1) FTP Software Inc. PC/TCP. Use the FTP Telnet interface TNGLASS and run Kermit from it. tnglass host.domain -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe (The spaces between "-c" and "0" and "-e" and "kermit.exe" are required.) This example uses communication port 1 (-c0) so tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1, and the -i option says to keep the TCP connection alive until the terminal emulator (Kermit) has started using the Int 14h communications pathway. The TNGLASS interface causes the "ENTER" key to send pairs, as specified in the Telnet protocol specification. This may cause some problems in connecting to UNIX machines. I found that using "stty igncr" helped, along with "set key \284 \10" to re-map the "ENTER" key to send a newline. (Using "set term newline off" and/or "set tcp newline off" didn't seem to help.) My configuration: Gateway 2000 P90 machine 3C5X9 network card? (I'm real fuzzy here.) MS-DOS 6.22 Windows for Workgroups V3.11 FTP Software's PCTCP software, with \pctcp\3c5x9pd.com and \pctcp\vxdinit.exe loaded in autoexec.bat (I'm not sure what version of PCTCP, but TNGLASS reports V3.0.) My tnglass.pif has "hostname -c 3 -i -e kermit.exe" supplied as command-line arguments, and in my mscustom.ini, I've specified "Set port BIOS4" Here's output from "stty -a" on a SunOS 4.1.X Sparcstation 2: speed 38400 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr igncr -icrnl -iuclc ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig -iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^? ^\ ^S/^Q ^D I hope this is helpful! Steve Layten (slayten@cas.org) ---- END corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ I now seem to have just one more problem. When using 'vi' on my UNIX host, at times I get "beeps" in ms-kermit like it has lost characters. I see it when 'vi' is "wrapping" a fairly large word (set wm=6, type a word near the right margin, and 'vi' moves the word to the next line). I also seem to see it when I use the '^w' key in input mode to erase a word. The word is not completely erased, and the cursor is not in the right place. I'm not sure what to change to prevent ms-kermit from losing the characters. Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks again especially to J. Doupnik and Frank da Cruz for their support, and Thanks in advance to any of you that can help. Steve Layten From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 06:59:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 12 Jan 1995 06:59:22 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: 0, mode: remote, modem: direct Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 3 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 2 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 900 900 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 10 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 512 Collide: rename Session Log: none Longest pathname: 255 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 02:01:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!jmurphy From: jmurphy@uoguelph.ca (Janice Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Kermit and Novell NASI Date: 13 Jan 1995 02:01:44 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3f4mu8$mem@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to automate a dialing script with the latest Kermit beta to connect to a NASI server (Netware Connect on our Novell 3.12 Fileserver) and can do it manually fine but not script wise. Any pointers from this group. The following is what I would like to happen: c:\kermit\kermit ... .... initialize the setup,keys, etc def modem take sport.scr set speed 19200 set port novell out connect dialout \13 modem T555-1212 connect What happens after the out connect dialout \13 is OK, but when I say modem T555-1212 I am back at the NASI 1:1> prompt. GO FIGURE :) Any clues as how to get my script working automatically with Netware Conenct and NASI. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 12:51:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 13 Jan 1995 12:51:15 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3f5t03$jqf@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa049.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) says: >kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 THANKS !!!! This solution worked perfectly Spencer. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:41:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:41:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3f63e0$raa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits >after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing >important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even >transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: > >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 >... >The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my >computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, >Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can >play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. > You'll have to ask the Crosstalk people about it. C-Kermit 5A (current version is 190) works fine with MS-DOS Kermit and gets terrific transfer rates. Try MS-DOS Kermit and see if the same thing happens to you. If it does, we'll be glad to help out by looking at packet logs, etc, but Crosstalk is an unknown quantity to us, and is supported by the Crosstalk people. MS-DOS Kermit: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:49:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3f63tb$rr7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net>, Tom Mendenhall wrote: >Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 >terminal? > It emulates a Wyse 50. To the best of our knowledge, a Wyse 60 is just a Wyse 50 with some emulations for other terminal types added. >Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard >scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal >requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for >F1, etc. > No, Kermit does not send scan codes, and does not allow the status line to be used as a regular screen line. Yes, you can map keys to send anything you want using SET KEY, and you can use Kermit in most common video modes: 80x25, 80x43, 80x60, etc, but the bottom line is always special. When using Kermit to access your UnixWare system, you have a number of emulations to choose from, but they all work more or less like real terminals, not like system consoles. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 19:28:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Date: 13 Jan 1995 19:28:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period is over; thanks to all of you who participated! For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:36:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: <8LV5lqo7IRLL075yn@ritz.mordor.com> Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 In article <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article , > Michael Pollak wrote: > >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does > >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > > > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local > bookstore: > > Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital > Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN > 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the > IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. > > - Frank ROFLMAO!!! :-) "You can download the manual from your local bookstore" :-> Pardon my silliness, but I got a kick out of how you worded it, Frank :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:39:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:39:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 [response e-mailed and posted] In article <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) wrote: > Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, > By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). > We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, > they are: > AT&F8 > AT&f0 > AT&w0 > ATZ > But we want to be able to send these commands directly > to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. > Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! It depends what communications port your modem uses. Try the following - one of which will probably work. C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM1: or C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM2: Most modems are set up at COM1: or COM2:. From what I can gather with these commands, from this point onward, you should be able to use your modem with programs like Kermit without any further tinkering. [but I don't remember my AT command set tonight, so I could be wrong - I know AT&W generally writes the current settings of the modem "permanently" in its NVRAM (non-volitile RAM - that means that it doesn't disappear when you shut the modem off) Hope this helps. Perhaps others will give better suggestions. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 13:05:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:37:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@oslonett.no (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 14 Jan 1995 14:05:11 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all. Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups and TCP/IP 32? In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. Could anyone please lead a novice to better understandig of Kermit?? Hope to hear from you. sven@oslonett.no [Sven Andreassen] --- 7 WinQwk 2.0 a#0 7 Unregistered Evaluation Copy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 20:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:15:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 14.Jan.1995 In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > > - Frank Wonderful! :-) I saved the announcement - when I get my first paycheck at this new job next week, I'll be putting in my order for the manual. [I know it's silly, but I waited to order the manual until version 3.14, as I wanted an "official" 3.14 on diskette --- even though I'll be downloading 3.14 from the ftp site now!] Thanks for the great product, Frank and Joe and all folks who contributed towards the Kermit effort! This Kermit-fan isn't disappointed in the least! Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 02:36:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!BDESIMON From: BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Bert DeSimone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 95 07:36:11 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing the problem. Soooo, if anybody using tn3270 has successfully transferred files from an IBM mainframe using Kermit, I would appreciate any information. Thanks in advance ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 16:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 16:26:57 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 03:44:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Message-Id: <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jan 95 09:44:08 MDT References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) writes: > kudut@ritz.mordor.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > 14.Jan.1995 > > In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? ----- The makefile explains: MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:35:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:59:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:59:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3fc2b7$p9k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? Get a newer version of C-Kermit, which will support set speed 115200 You are using a 16550x UART, aren't you? -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 08:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:34:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 15.Jan.1995 > >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? > ----- > The makefile explains: > MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C > modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Thanks Joe! I'm in the process of learning C [after being a longtime BASIC and Pascal person], and want to "play". There's another IBM-PC environment that I want to port Kermit to, but my knowledge of C and ASM (and of the pertinant software developer's kit) is *very* limited at the moment to simple things - so I'm months from being ready to talk to Frank about it. Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:12:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!eur.nl!news.fgg.eur.nl!coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl!Clotsche From: Clotsche@coh.fgg.eur.nl (P. CLOTSCHER @ COH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable internal commands? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:12:28 GMT Organization: Erasmus University Rotterdam Lines: 44 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Disable internal commands? Reply-to: Clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 Dear Kermit Users, Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal emulation)? I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like 'disable ...' would be nicer (?). Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. The reason: We want to use MS-kermit 3.13 for making an automated script-directed TCP/IP connection to a HP9000/720 unix host, login, run a program on the host (only screen-info as output), logout, and return to DOS after quitting the unix-application. During the session the user may not be able to return to the KERMIT> prompt (Alt-X, or ^]C), may not access the escape-menu (^].... for sending breaks, toggle capturing, etc., etc.). However, all other ctrl- and alt-keys, and cursor controls must remain intact. The script is running fine and everything that we want is working O.K. (we love Kermit's scripting facilities!!). The only wish now is to secure the procedure for the users to prevent unwanted effects caused by accidentally used keys. Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in a script-file in the output command? We have a DOS-variable 'GROUP' which content we want to pass to the unix-host. I think we must use someting like "$GROUP". Is this correct? Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Pim Clotscher Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL I&A - Computer Support Hoboken Tel. +31-104087420 / Fax +31-104362719 E-mail (Internet): clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:36:50 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics | >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there | >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line | >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? | You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 15:59:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 16 Jan 1995 15:59:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no>, Sven Andreassen wrote: >Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >and TCP/IP 32? > Yes. >In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a >Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for >Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive discussion of this problem. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC for the information you are asking for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:46:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:46:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-Id: <3fe7sq$p0a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Mainframe, 3270 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu>, Bert DeSimone wrote: >Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server >that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal >server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file >transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. >Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe >through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't >have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit >using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). > >I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode >sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing >the problem. > One of the major strengths of the Kermit protocol is its ability to transfer files with IBM mainframes over a wide variety of connection types, and there is an excellent Kermit software program for the IBM mainframe, which is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO (and ROSCOE), CICS, and MUSIC. The current version is 4.3.0, with version 4.3.1 in beta test. All of the Kermit books and manuals ("Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", and the IBM mainframe Kermit online manuals) describe the process(es) in some detail. Here is a brief summary. Half-duplex (local-echo), line-at-a-time connections are generally handled by the "ibm" macro that is built in to MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, which performs the following protocol-related settings: set local-echo on set parity mark set flow none set handshake xon Full-screen sessions go through a 3270 terminal emulator. This can reside anywhere between the client software (such as MS-DOS Kermit) and the mainframe. For the past 10 or 20 years, the most common place to find the 3270 emulator was on a special purpose "protocol converter": a box that has serial lines on one side and a connection to the mainframe on the other. This box generally works by tricking the mainframe into thinking it is a "control unit" with multiple 3270 terminals attached, and at the same time tricking the terminals into thinking they are communicating with a "normal" ASCII character-at-a-time host. The box converts between 3270 data streams and ASCII terminal (e.g. VT100) conventions. This includes ASCII/EBCDIC character-set conversion, cursor positioning and screen painting, and keystroke interpretation. As you can imagine, all of these conversions would normally have a disastrous effect on Kermit protocol packets, and also upon any other type of data that has to be transmitted "as is", without conversion, such as graphics terminal directives. Thus, many protocol converters support a "transparent mode", that allows the mainframe host to command them to turn off their conversion functions, and at a later time, turn them back on. When everything works as planned, the only Kermit commands required for going through the protocol converter are: set flow xon/xoff ; (usually) set parity even ; (or other) Everything else corresponds to the normal Kermit defaults (remote echo, no "handshake", etc). Unfortunately, the method for entering and leaving transparent mode differs from one 3270 emulation product to another. Ideally, there are two components: (1) the identification phase, in which the mainframe software issues a special instruction that causes the protcol converter to respond in a unique (but harmless) way; and (2) the actual enter- and exit-transparent-mode directives. IBM Mainframe Kermit needs to know which kind of transparency, if any, is used by the protocol converter so it can be put into transparent mode at the beginning of packet protocol and taken out of it upon return to interactive command mode. There are several ways that mainframe Kermit can go about this. First, you can use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell it which style of transparency is used by the protocol converter. Second, mainframe Kermit can be set up by the system administrator to always use a particular style. Third, it can attempt to "autodiscover" the controller type by issuing various types of identification queries and checking the results. The third method is not very reliable, however, since many types of protocol converters fail to respond to these queries even when they do implement a particular style of transparency. Nowadays, special-purpose protocol converters are giving way to general purpose terminal and compute servers that include a "tn3270" function. tn3270 is a special kind of TELNET program that also performs 3270 emulation, and requires that the mainframe be on TCP/IP network and have a TN3270 server. Here are two examples: 1. UNIX tn3270. Most UNIX systems come with a tn3270 program that lets you make a full-screen connection to an IBM mainframe. Once you have made the connection, you should be able to start Kermit on the mainframe, give it a SEND, RECEIVE, or SERVER command, escape back to your terminal emulator (e.g. MS-DOS Kermit), and transfer files without any special settings. If you have trouble with this, then: . Ask mainframe Kermit to "show controller". If it doesn't say Series/1, then tell it to "set controller series1". . Try using shorter packets. The maximum length that can pass through the protocol converter might be less than what you are trying to use. A typical maximum value might be 1700. . Tell one or both Kermit programs to "set parity space". 2. Cisco terminal server tn3270. Current releases of Cisco terminal server software include a tn3270 feature that is supposed to permit Kermit transfers, but it has bugs. Sometimes these bugs can be worked around by using the methods listed in (1) above and specifying VERY short packets, like 30 or 40 bytes. Sometimes they can't be worked around at all. A future release of Cisco software (probably 10.3) will include new tn3270 software that implements Series/1-style transparency correctly, and allows Kermit transfers of both text and binary files in both directions using packet lengths up to about 1900 (or whatever the total screen size is). If you try all of these workarounds with your terminal server and still get failed transfers, make packet logs and/or debug logs in both Kermit programs to find out what the terminal server is delivering to each Kermit program, and report the misbehavior to your terminal server vendor. For further information about specific protocol converters and how to configure IBM Mainframe Kermit for them, please read the ik0aaa.hlp file that comes with IBM Mainframe Kermit. Finally, it is possible to transfer files through a 3270 fullscreen connection even when 3270 emulator can't be put into transparent mode at all. You can read about this in the C-Kermit update notes file (ckcker.upd) and the MS-DOS Kermit update notes files (KERMIT.UPD). Quoting from the latter: "Doomsday Kermit" (DDK) techniques allow file transfer with IBM mainframes through 3270 protocol converters that do NOT support transparent mode, to be used in conjunction with IBM Mainframe Kermit's SET CONTROLLER FULLSCREEN command on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, or CICS. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.2.3 or later required. Commands: SET PARITY EVEN ; Or whatever SET FLOW XON/XOFF ; Or whatever SET SEND START 62 ; Greater-than sign SET RECEIVE START 62 ; Ditto SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 ; New block-check type SET HANDSHAKE NONE BLANK-FREE-2 is a new block-check type, exactly like type 2, except encoded to never contains blanks. Give IBM Mainframe Kermit the following commands: SET CONTROLLER FULL SET SEND START 62 SET RECEIVE START 62 SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 SET HANDSHAKE 0 Doomsday Kermit file transfers are not as reliable as regular Kermit protocol transfers, and they are much slower. Use this method only as a last resort; that is, only when you can't get a transparent-mode fullscreen connection or a linemode connection to the mainframe. (end quote) And beyond finally: in the future, we expect to add 3270 emulation to the Kermit software itself, so you will be able to make tn3270 connections directly from Kermit to the mainframe without having to go through a "black box" for the conversion. Of course, Kermit software will handle transparency correctly (and automatically). (And no, I can't estimate when built-in 3270 emulation will be available.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:51:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable internal commands? Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:51:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: <3fe864$p8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , P. CLOTSCHER @ COH wrote: >Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands >like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal >emulation)? > Yes: SET KEY \Kignore >I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like >'disable ...' would be nicer. > Presently, there is no such command. >Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. > You can change the escape character to any other (7-bit) control character, but there is no way to disable it entirely. >Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in >a script-file in the output command? > Yes, as explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit": \$(name) where "name" is the name of the desired environment variable, e.g. \$(GROUP) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:19:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3fe9rt$r93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >| >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? > > >| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. > > > I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. > Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; Sorry I was short on time when I replied. For answers to questions such as these you should refer to both your modem manual and the appropriate Kermit book, in this case "Using C-Kermit" as it will contain the answers you need and quite a bit of background info. When you set the speed with which you are communicating to your modem, you are only specifying the interface speed. Not the speed at which your modem will connect to the remote modem. When a connection is made the modem reports back the actual connect speed. And depending on how it is configured it will change the interface speed between the computer and modem to match. This is SPEED-MATCHING. Now both C-Kermit and the modem must be told to do the same thing. Either they both speed-match or they both don't. But if they do not agree, once a connection occurs you will get garbage. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:36:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:36:07 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29191 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1623 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host use sz/rz to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. When using x/y/z-modem transfer, errors such as CHKSUM/packet size/ bad header occurs. I assume x/y/z-modem was mainly created for modem transfer, so may have problems sending using tcp-ip packets. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:41:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:41:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:41:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fei62$7cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29197 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1624 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Jong-Min Park wrote: >I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer >on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host > use sz/rz to send/receive files > >The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem >transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. > You have observed that Kermit works, but it is slow, whereas x/y/z-modem do not work. You conclude that if x/y/z-modem could be somehow taught to work, they would be fast, while Kermit would remain slow. Kermit can be as fast as or faster than any of the other protocols when tuned for speed. This is explained at length in the appropriate manuals ("Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", etc), and in our new FAQ, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT Kermit's defaults are deliberately conservative to maximize the chance that it will work on any given connection, even if it works slowly, as you have seen. The defaults of X/Y/Z-modem, on the other hand, are set for speed at the expense of robustness, as you have also seen. I'd recommend you spend a couple minutes reading up on how to make Kermit transfers go fast. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 20:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 20:11:09 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29200 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1625 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry that I may have been a little unclear. Here is more info: I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. I've succeeded in transferring ascii files between local machines just to test it: 'sz -a -L 80 filename' and 'rz -a'. If I omit -L, 'subpacket too long' error occurs. Although 'bad CRC' still occurs, it is only intermittent. Now binary transfer completely fails (bad CRC), but again 'subpacket long' disappears with -L option. I think there are two problems: 8-bit control code is being translated where it shouldn't be. And assembling of subpackets may be causing problems with tcp-ip packet size limit. I'm not too familiar with subpacket assembling or zmodem packets, nor telnet negotiation. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:28:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!newshost!bill From: bill@yossarian.lanl.gov (Bill Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:28:24 GMT Organization: Complex Systems Group, Theoretical Division, LANL, Los Alamos, NM Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: bill@goshawk.lanl.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: yossarian.lanl.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while logged in via kermit): $ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo $ cat -v foo ^[[231;80R This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. -- Bill Reynolds bill@raptor.lanl.gov _____________________________________________________________________________ "Our Yosemite turkeys live in the shade of beautiful oak trees" -Shelton's Free-Range Turkeys president Gary Flanagan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 22:57:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 22:57:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3fetkg$la7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bill Reynolds wrote: >This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for >automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, >one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can >be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while >logged in via kermit): > >$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo > > >$ cat -v foo >^[[231;80R > >This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from >watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. > You're right. It's a bug. We'll have to develop and issue a patch for it asap. Thanks for pointing it out. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 04:40:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 17 Jan 1995 04:40:54 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ffhom$mb5@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-7.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29210 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1628 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you so much for all the feedback. I didn't have time to say thank you to all who replied. I have mustered enough hints and info to try out several configs and I finally got some speed (500 to 1000 cps vs. original 49 or zero cps). Sorry if this was an FAQ, but just so that someone could benefit from this info, I'm posting my result. Here is what I found when using kermit or zmodem transfer through tcp-ip from my host to a remote site: In kermit, increasing the receiving packet size can speed up the transfer. But if the receiving end cannot be tweaked by the user, you are still out of luck (it still works, in contrast to zmodem). In zmodem, using a smaller packet size (about 100 bytes for me) and escaping control characters from the sending host will avoid 'subpacket too long' error and 'CRC' error, respectively. Again, if you cannot change the configuration from the sending host, it just doesn't work. In conclusion, I now do downloads through kermit transfer and uploads through zmodem transfer, since the remote host doesn't allow changing of configurations for both sending and receiving. One strange thing I've noticed when using zmodem was that packet size less than about 128 went okay, but anything above it somehow hangs at the last 1024 bytes remaining (actually I can see that all data actually were sent, but the remaining size to transfer suddenly rises from 0 to 1024, and then nothing happens). Here is what I wrote: > I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer > on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet > use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files > The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem > transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And > since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the > remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. > When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:12:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Date: 17 Jan 1995 10:12:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission Summary: How do I run TCP/IP over Novell with MS-Kermit Keywords: TCP/IP, Novell X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about what others have found is the best method of doing this. I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server break the TCP/IP packets out? -Fozz -- "This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird." -- The Perl v5.0 manual page. Doran Barton / Fozziliny Moo (fozz@xmission.com or http://xmission.com/~fozz/ ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:41:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!eastman!mmdm08!jgirtler From: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com (Joe Girtler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Message-Id: <15375@eastman.Kodak.Com> Date: 17 Jan 95 17:41:47 GMT References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Sender: usenet@eastman.kodak.com Reply-To: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: 150.102.41.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am also interested in using Kermit's telnet ablilty, but have NO CLUE how. I'm running SunOS. I've tried the man pages but without success. Can anybody help? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 07:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Message-Id: <1995Jan17.131255.38178@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Jan 95 13:12:55 MDT References: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about > what others have found is the best method of doing this. > > I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a > Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also > connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way > to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client > shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to > encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server > break the TCP/IP packets out? -------------- You don't have to do anything fancy at all. MS-DOS Kermit is designed to run straight over ODI, as I thought you knew. The only time shims (ODIPKT + WINPKT) are needed is when MSK runs in a Windows DOS box. All NW 3 and 4 servers are shipped ready to route TCP/IP traffic at no extra cost (just load the supplied TCPIP.NLM). Please see the docs in the MSK 3.14 quick-start archive file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Just as a historical reminder: MS-DOS Kermit was the first non-Novell TCP/IP program to run over ODI native mode, and I made publically viewable my code to accomplish that task. Today a number of vendors offer native ODI capability, and that's a good thing. That's not a claim on those vendors, but rather a longer term view of how these programs fit together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:11:00 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. I've tried other lengths, but no success. Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. thanks. sul@fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:31:52 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3fhk19$2vb@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sulaiman Paperwalla (sul@nomadd.fiu.edu) wrote: : I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via : Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure : but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' : Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. : I've tried other lengths, but no success. : Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? : This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. : thanks. : sul@fiu.edu Never mind.... I was using 3.14 beta 17. It works fine with the new release. Sorry for this post. Sul. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:16:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:46:01 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Mendenhall (tem@scout.humboldt.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 : terminal? : Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard : scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal : requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for : F1, etc. I'd be interested in such a use also, but can only see WYSE50 in beta 17 of MS-Kermit 3.14. Joe Doupnik runs Unixware, so he may have some more information about this. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:43:12 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fi818$bei@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay (edge@dircon.co.uk) wrote: : Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, : By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). : We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, : they are: : AT&F8 : AT&f0 : AT&w0 : ATZ : But we want to be able to send these commands directly : to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. : Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! I use the command: kermit take atz.tak MSKERMIT.INI: set flow rts/cts set block 3 set window 3 set send pack 4000 set receive pack 4000 set port 2 take vt300.ini set term wrap on ATZ.TAK: set port 2 def \%a 0 :try increment \%a if > \%a 10 goto end echo modem initialisation attempt \%a\13\10 output ATZ\13 input 4 OK if success goto end if > \%a 2 log session c:\ff\call.log write session \v(date) \v(time) ATZ \%a FAILED\13\10 goto try :end quit This is for "fixing" stubborn modems. Does anyone do this kind of thing for modems on Unix machines? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!kheesoon From: kheesoon@technet.sg (Ng Khee Soon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help on Kermit Date: 17 Jan 1995 17:17:01 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3fgu2d$iud@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 16:47:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just too darn slow. I have been told that I can use a program called sz.exe and use zmodem from my vms account. I have gotten this program but as have yet been unable to get it to work. Does anyone know of any instructions that I can use with this particular program or prehaps a differrent utility that I can use to make my dl's a little bit faster and more productive. I have a 14.4 now but will soon be recieving a PPI 28.8 v.34 in the mail (they are back-ordered now). IS there anything that I can do that will enable me to take full advantage of this increased speed? BTW, I dial in to a VAX and we do have a 28.8 modem pool. Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 14:02:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:56:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:55:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!kraeutle From: kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kraeutle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem-modem connection Date: 18 Jan 1995 14:02:24 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi to All I would like to know if there is any possibility to connect two modems via phone line using kermit protocoll. I have no problems to connect to a unix host but how can i manage file transfer to another pc thanks in advance -- Rainer Kraeutle,0761/203-(3056/3064) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 00:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!dcc.uchile.cl!anaraven From: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl (Andres Aravena) Subject: problems in Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (News) Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 00:12:12 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get 'Operation would block' at any read or write. Did someone have success with it? thank you -- Andres Aravena D. home: andres@aravena.mic.cl Univ: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 23:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 18 Jan 1995 23:18:25 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. Has any one else encounter this? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 15:02:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Message-Id: <1995Jan18.210220.38361@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 95 21:02:20 MDT References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) writes: > Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling > when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > > Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > > Has any one else encounter this? ------------ We don't have enough information from you to begin an analysis, but I can say that MSK 3.14 works fine to my UnixWare machine. Please check the kind of terminal the host thinks it is talking to. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 09:01:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 01:01:30 -0800 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cello.gina.calstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? Or is this done somewhere else (like in the nameserver(s)? (Outside of kermit's control) Thanks, -- --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 05:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 05:54:05 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the message Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) C-Kermit> What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). What's wrong? In case it's helpful, I'll include my settings below. Thanks! --David Finton ------------------------ (Back at localhost) C-Kermit>show C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, NeXT Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 38400, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 1 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: converted Debugging Log: none Type: text Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Character-Set: NeXT Multinational (8-bit) Transfer Character-Set: Transparent File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc C-Kermit> From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:12:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3flrvt$cce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Rainer Kraeutle wrote: >I would like to know if there is any possibility to >connect two modems via phone line using kermit >protocoll. > This is the subject of Chapter 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (also available in German). Very briefly: One PC must make the call, the other must receive it. The receiving PC's modem must be placed into "answer mode". A Kermit program should be started on the receiving PC and placed in server mode. For additional details, please read chapters 10 and 11 of the manual. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:15:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fls5h$civ@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, Sulaiman Paperwalla wrote: >Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling >when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > >Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not Beta), released 12 January 1995 had a bug in this area. It was replaced yesterday, 18 January 1995, by a version that contained a minor change to fix this bug. I'll post a more detailed announcement shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems in Solaris 2.3 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:20:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3flsev$d2g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andres Aravena wrote: >We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After >choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get >'Operation would block' at any read or write. > Just follow the instructions. There are specific makefile entries for each machine / operating system / OS version combination. Just pick out the most appropriate of the entries whose names start with "solaris": solaris2x - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler solaris2xg - Solaris 2.x, GNU cc solaris2x25 - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler and SunLink X.25 For additional details, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and in the file ckuins.doc (C-Kermit installation instructions). If you can't succeed in compiling the program, you can ftp a precompiled Solaris 2.3 binary from kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 13:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:41:50 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rainer Kraeutle (kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote: : I would like to know if there is any possibility to : connect two modems via phone line using kermit : protocoll. There should be no problem so long as you can tell the called modem to answer, either automatically or manually. The manual command is probably ATA. (If someone has actually done this, please jump in!) -- David Nichols From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:36:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:36:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3fltcs$eb0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, David Finton wrote: >I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, >but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the >message > >Can't read character: I/O error > Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) >C-Kermit> > >What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set >wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this >because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long >as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and >am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), but that will not necessarily affect this problem. However, the release notes for version 5A(190) contain more information and are organized better than in previous releases. In particular, the ckuker.bwr file (C-Kermit, Unix version "beware" file) contains sections for each platform. Here are the pertinent excerpts from the section on the NeXT: (3.4) C-KERMIT AND NEXTSTEP The SET CARRIER command has no effect on the NeXT -- this is a limitation of the tty device drivers. Hardware flow control on the NeXT is selected not by "set flow rts/cts" in Kermit (since NeXTSTEP offers no API for this), but rather, by using a specially-named driver for the serial device: /dev/cufa instead /dev/cua; /dev/cufb instead of /dev/cub. This is available only on 68040-based NeXT models (the situation for Intel NeXTSTEP implementations is unknown). NeXT-built 68030 and 68040 models have different kinds of serial interfaces; the 68030 has a Macintosh-like RS-422 interface, which lacks RTS and CTS signals; the 68040 has an RS-423 (RS-232 compatible) interface, which supports the commonly-used modem signals. WARNING: the connectors look exactly the same, but the pins are used in completely DIFFERENT ways -- different cables are required for the two kinds of interfaces. IF YOU GET LOTS OF RETRANSMISSIONS during file transfer, even when using a /dev/cuf* device and the modem is correctly configured for RTS/CTS flow control, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WRONG KIND OF CABLE. Does this help? By the way, until it died recently, I had a NeXTstation on my desk, so I can personally veryify that Kermit works fine on it with the right kind of cable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:48:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:48:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3flu3s$fa6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: >Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there >is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this >was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full >name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? > Yes. You can use SET TCP/IP DOMAIN to set your PC's full name. But the value of this setting is known only to Kermit itself, and it is used for only one purpose: to turn "nicknames" into fully qualified domain names (FQDN). For example, if your network is called foo.bar.baz and your PC is called oofa, then its FQDN is oofa.foo.bar.baz. If you say "set port tcp blah", Kermit sends a query to your name server for "blah". If it doesn't get a satisfactory response, then it uses your SET TCP DOMAIN value to try to make an FQDN. Normally you would have your TCP DOMAIN set to your network name rather than your PC's FQDN, so Kermit would try: blah (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) If you set your TCP DOMAIN to your PC's own FQDN, then Kermit tries: blah (no match) blah.oofa.foo.bar.baz (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) Both ways work, but the second way takes a bit longer. The best way to set your TCP/IP parameters is from an organizational BOOTP server. Then the only command that you (or anybody else) needs for Kermit TCP/IP setup is SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. The advantages of this approach are so overwhelming that every site should read about them and set up a centralized bootp database. Maybe your site has one already and you only need to be registered in it. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later support BOOTP at RFC 1395, which allows the domain name to be downloaded to the PC from the BOOTP database. The original BOOTP specification (and BOOTP servers and databases based on it) did not include the domain name. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 10:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:06:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 20 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in my OUTPUT command. Thanks for yer help! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 15:13:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:13:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access from a laptop. There's a security issue here, too. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:44:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Bug Fix and Replacement Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:44:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3fmbuf$6e7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:7 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1652 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, as announced on January 12th, had a pair of bugs that required a quick replacement. Very briefly, the bugs were: 1. Incorrect response to the cursor position report request escape sequence, such as the one issued by UNIX `eval resize`, or by the login procedure of VMS 6.x, or by recent releases of Pine, to determine the size of your physical screen. 2. Memory corruption if the cursor was positioned off the physical screen. Unfortunately, (2) was very likely to happen because of (1). For example, Pine might send the escape sequence from (1), Kermit might mistakenly report that its screen had 231 lines, and then Pine would try to write text to bottom of the screen, causing the memory corruption. The memory corruption manifested itself in various ways: switching to Tektronix mode, the disappearance of macro definitions, and/or the inability to EXIT from Kermit. These bugs are now fixed, thanks to the quick action of Joe Doupnik, and a new replacement ZIP file is now available. The Kermit program still identifies itself as version 3.14, but the date is January 18, 1995, rather than January 12, 1995. The corrected version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as follows: DIRECTORY MODE DESCRIPTION kermit/archives/msvibm.zip binary Distribution diskette ZIP file kermit/a/msvibmzip.boo text Ditto, BOO-encoded kermit/a/msvibmzip.uue text Ditto, uuencoded The text-encoded ZIP files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV@CUVMA as MSVIBMZI.BOO and MSVIBMZI.UUE. Please replace the January 12th version with the January 18th one. Apologies for the inconvenience. All further corrections will be issued in the form of patches. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 19:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:16:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3fmdr4$9ms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. > Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:58:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fmcns$7oq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:00:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Whoops-no RX!?! Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:00:06 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not from the driver. Is it from th' frog? Thank you. Bill From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:30:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 19 Jan 1995 09:30:14 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3fm42m$221@xmission.xmission.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. I just learned how to to this this morning actually. I've been using MSK for years and never really bothered to figure this goody out until now. Try: SET PORT TCP/IP NEW CONNECT This will automatically start a new Telnet session with the indicated host. If you haven't gotten hold of v3.14 yet, do. The KERMIT.UPD file has a comprehensive explanation of these features and any others that have been added in version 3.12, 3.13, and 3.14. -Fozz -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 00:09:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Whoops-no RX!?! Date: 20 Jan 1995 00:09:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fmv0f$6f2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes >get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not >from the driver. Is it from th' frog? > It is not from the C-Kermit source code (grep -i Whoops ck[cu]*.[ch]). Maybe it's from some library that it is linked to on the 3b1. Try: strings kermit | grep Whoops If this comes up empty, then it ain't from the Kermit executable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:15:31 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '231'; unset noglob; Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '24'; unset noglob; -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:20:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!gsbux1!cal From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) Subject: COM3 available in 3.14? Message-Id: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@bluebird.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:20:04 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could address COM3 and above. If not, is this a planned feature addition? Regards, -Cal -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "From all us Slackers to all you Boomers ... HAHAHAHAHAHA! WE HAVE SATELLITE MOUNTED RAIL-GUNS! HEH HEH. Who's laughing now?"-- S. Lang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 17:39:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!awhite From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 19 Jan 1995 17:39:49 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu Summary: Connect Problem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly 1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a local area network, just as before. 2. I devised the following test script, just to get to the bare bones of the symptoms. ; Test Script set modem hayes ; dial compuserve dial T94749005 3. I take this script file from the MS-Kermit prompt and this is what I get: 3.1. Dialing ... 3.2. Connect 9600 3.3. and then nothing, until the connection times out. I can do absolutely nothing. The cursor is frozen, Control-Break and Control-C do not work, nothing. There is no MS-Kermit prompt, nothing. When the prompt does appear, if you enter another command, it is executed with glacial slowness. I even tried "set terminal timeslice-release disable", to no effect. 4. I have C-Kermit 5A(190), and it executes just fine. 5. Puzzled, and frustrated, in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. -- Anne L. White "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian by training" 402-479-4316 "Resources Center Manager by choice" 402-479-3989 (Fax) ^ "Stupidity Is It's Own Reward!" ^ NDOR Communications Div. 1500 NE HWY 2 PO BOX 94759 Lincoln NE 68509 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 04:21:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 04:21:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fndos$q6h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu>, anne white wrote: >MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly > >1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used > for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the > same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am > using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a > local area network, just as before. I am glad to hear that you use C-Kermit. However, when you do use MS-DOS Kermit under OS/2 I would suggest that you also use Ray Gwinn's SIO replacement comm drivers. Ray has implemented the Fossil standard as a Virtual Driver in OS/2's DOS Sessions. By using the Fossil support in 3.14 with Ray's VX00.SYS and SIO.SYS drivers you will get performance under OS/2 that is as close as you can possibly get to just having MS-DOS Kermit sitting on top of the actual hardware. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 02:25:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:25:43 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). Please email me any help, and thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 08:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:13:12 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU's message of 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "W" == Watson, John McClain writes: W> Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just W> too darn slow. You have been mis-informed. I get transfer rates of 1,600+ cps on a regular basis with kermit with my 14.4 Kbps modem, and it only required some minor tweaking on my part. Look through the help files for the section on control prefixes, and set your packet sizes to be at least 1000. These transfer rates are at least as good as the rates zmodem will get you. -- James From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 07:00:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 07:00:15 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fnn1v$cls@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> of "Kari E. Hurtta" X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: ;I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: <...> ;Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: <...> I forgot to say that these are MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.10. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 10:16:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 10:16:43 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kermit.bwr it is said: Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a continued line. Well, I did not know this, and I had the following macro within my mscustom.ini: define kommsrv - dial rz1,- input 30 Benutzernummer:,- ; Warte auf die Ausgabe. output p41bsmk\44PASSWD\13,- ; Account,Passwort input 10 >,- ; Warte auf Prompt. output c\44komm\13,- ; Rufe kommsrv. connect This macro worked alright on my laptop at home until I upgraded from kermite.exe 3.14 beta 14 to the final version. Then, parts of that macro got displayed at the MS-Kermit prompt when loading mscustom.ini. This "error" had not occurred when I first tested the new (final 3.14) Kermit release on my office PC. Trying out this and that (on the office PC, again), I noticed that minor variations in the macro let it either work or not work. Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:39:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!alf.chem.su.oz.au!dave From: dave@alf.chem.su.oz.au (David Kelly) Subject: Pathworks Kermit Problem Message-Id: Sender: news@ucc.su.oz.au Nntp-Posting-Host: alf.chem.su.oz.au Organization: Information Services, Sydney University, Sydney, NSW, Australia X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:39:16 GMT Lines: 54 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92982 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13100 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1666 comp.sys.dec:27570 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. The process we're using is : We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version 3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. The send process starts fine and seems to go smoothly with no retries until suddenly it stops with the following VT320 emulator error message : COULD NOT GET KERMIT STATUS INFORMATION, (NOT RUNNING KERMIT IN SERVER MODE ON REMOTE HOST?) This doesn't result in a connection loss to the vax, but the kermit transfer stops. For a given file it will fail at the same place every time, but different amounts of data are transferred before failure for different files. Some small files will transfer OK and some won't. If the file is bigger than approx 30k it will almost certainly fail. Failure doesn't seem dependent on file type. We've tried changing between LAT & CTERM connection with no change and I've tried changing kermit protocol retry limit to maximum (though no retrys are indicated) and I've changed TIMEOUT setting to maximum, all with no effect. This process is consistent across all PCs we have and we have the same problem with different model VAX servers. There are other kermit protocol and packet settings in the terminal emulator I could try changing which are : Block check sum currently set to 1 other option is 2 Send delay for first packet, currently set to 0,maximum is 63 seconds. Start of packet currently CTL-A Padding count, currently set to 0 maximum is 60 Padding character currently CTL-@ Endof line character currently CTL-M Quote character currently # Packet size currently 94 other choice is 80 I haven't tried changing these as I have no idea what effect they will have. Kermit transfer both ways to Pathworks VT320 DOS emulator (sethost) works fine. This problem has been reported to DIGITAL with no resolve as yet. Anyone have any ideas ? Any help greatly appreciated, this is causing us serious problems and is urgent. David Kelly, Systems Specialist Environment Protection Authority. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3fom04$6dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > A frequently asked question. The short answer: Yes. The medium answer: COM3 and above have no standard address or IRQ, hence communications software (Kermit or anything else) can't always find them, in which case you have to specify the address and IRQ, using a sequence like: SET COM3 \x3e8 5 SET PORT COM3 The long answer: Read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:54:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Pathworks Kermit Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:54:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fombs$6sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92995 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13106 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1668 comp.sys.dec:27576 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Kelly wrote: >We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 >terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. >Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. > >We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal >emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version >3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu >on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. > Can't help with this; your PC software is a DEC product, so you'll have to get help from DEC. However, you are more than welcome to use real Kermit software, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, on your PC in place of the DEC software. It supports PATHWORKS connections too, as well as VT320 emulation and (of course) Kermit transfers. If you have trouble with it, we can help. You are also encouraged to install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX. Kermit-32 is no longer supported. To learn more about Columbia University's Kermit software, point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu and follow the signs. Direct further questions to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:57:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fomhl$742@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Keiko Iwayama wrote: >My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so >I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as >fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at >about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). > Kermit can go just as fast, often faster. Please read the FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu text mode file kermit/FAQ.TXT - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:01:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:01:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3foj8q$fo7@xmission.xmission.com> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes: >Hi! > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. Yes. MS-DOS Kermit has had support for COM3 and COM4 for quite a while now. If you have non-standard I/O addresses and/or IRQs for those ports you can override the standard (if there really is one) settings with the MS-Kermit command: SET COM3 \x02f8 \4 This specifies that COM3 is IRQ 4 at 0x2f8. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:28:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:28:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi>, Kari E. Hurtta wrote: >I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: > >set noglob; >setenv COLUMNS '80'; >setenv LINES '231'; >unset noglob; > As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:39:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3foovg$b7a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >In kermit.bwr it is said: > Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last > character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing > comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a > continued line. >... >Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > The ability to put trailing comments on the ends of continued lines is not documented or supported in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. As you have observed, experimentation shows that it might work sometimes, but you should not depend on it. And speaking of trailing comments, lest anyone be prompted by this posting to ask again: There was a change in v3.14 from previous versions, in which a semicolon (;), must be followed by at least one space or tab -- or else be the first character on a line -- to be recognized as a comment introducer. This is to allow semicolons to be used within commands like: get dua0:[.temp]oofa.txt;3 or: output \27[?62;1;2;4;8;9;15c\13 without any quoting. Previously the first semicolon in each of these commands would have started a comment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:12:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:12:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3foqu1$emf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. --------------- Please see the release docs again, as well as using "?" context sensitive help in the SET PORT TCP command. This command accepts arguments of host to start a New or Resume a current session. SET PORT TCP also accepts a digit representing a session number (see SHOW SESSION for a list of which are which). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:16:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3for4r$f5r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >Hi! > > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > > If not, is this a planned feature addition? ---------- May I recommend reading the user's manual and the release notes for MS-DOS Kermit which will explain in detail the handling of COM3/4. MSK has used all four COM ports for a great many years. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 23:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit Transfers Date: 20 Jan 1995 23:39:12 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is only 2400bps? What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? Thank you for answers and comments. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Singapore | http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | void ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:28:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Transfers Date: 22 Jan 1995 02:28:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3fsfsn$qbq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about >it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? > Hmmm, I guess not, other than: type c:\ckermit\ckermit.kdd or (more generally): type \m(_dialdir) ; This variable holds the name of the dialing directory. You could add a macro definition for this to your CKERMOD.INI file, something like: define numbers type \m(_dialdir) or something fancier, e.g. to list all entries that match a particular string. But see below about the services directory. >What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is >only 2400bps? > SET DIAL SEPEED-MATCHING OFF. >What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, >when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? > You can write script programs to do whatever you want. Script programming can't be explained in a short message - you should read the manual; three chapters of it cover script programming. >How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? > There is a kind of "higher level" dialing directory, called the services directory, that does this for you automatically. The mechanics are explained in complete detail in the manual, and from a user standpoint also in the CKERMIT.INF file. >For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS >version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate >for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the >transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? > Again, all explained in the manual. About performance, you should also look at the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.txt Manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. 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Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 18:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!micke From: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Stephen J Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WP key problem? Date: 20 Jan 1995 18:43:20 GMT Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fp088$9bl@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Word Perfect 5.0 on a SCO Unix Machine. I use kermit to connect a PC to the Unix machine. On the Unix side, I set my terminal type to vt102 and my WP terminal type to kermit. On the Pc-kermit side, I set my terminal type to vt102. WP included a file wp231.ini which mapped all the function key for using WP. WP5.0 works fine with the wp231.ini key mapping. I have just upgraded to WP5.1 which does not have many changes from WP5.0. However, none of the Function keys are working. Some of the keys are mapped to different keys,such as the "F7" key which is mapped to "F3". I've used both the wp231.ini file from WP5.0 and the wp232.ini file included with WP5.1 to try to map the keys. These two files are virtually identical, except for two key mappings. Has anyone experienced the same problem? From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:32:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!garnet.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is 3.14 finally ready now Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 01:26:13 LOCAL Organization: Msen Lines: 26 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I haven't been on this newsgroup for a while so I'm out of touch. Is Kermit 3.14 out of BETA and ready for prime time? Thanks for any help. __ dwight **************** ************************ "I rock RUFF and stuff ***************************** wit' my afro puf R___! ********************************* Rock on witcha bad *********************************** self.." ************************************* ************************************* ***********---------------*********** ********/ ___ ___ \******** *****/ <_w_| |<_w_ \***** ****| / \ |**** **\ (_ _) /** | \/ | | <__> | | | \ _____ / \___/ jamaican@mail.msen.com 75202.1001@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 07:55:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 22 Jan 1995 07:55:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 125 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) has kindly been helping me with the following configuration problem. He asked me to write a report to the Usenet news of this configuration. I am happy to do it in return with thanks. This case demonstrates well the flexibility of Kermit terminal emulator for various countries. These scripts are for Kermit version 3.14 and I use them in my modem connections from home to our BSD Unix main computer at the University of Vaasa. When the included definition scripts have become more tested in my own use, I'll probably update my 47099 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm25.zip tskerm25.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. In my Kermit initialization file I define among other things the following three commands define FINNISH take finnish.cmd ;Use classic 7-bit Finnish characters define LATIN1 take latin1.cmd ;Use standard 8-bit characters define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I normally use LATIN1. If I read Finnish email or Finnish Usenet newsgroups written with the new 8-bit Finnish definitions, then I set MIXED. If I write Finnish text I still usually keep to FINNISH, but if for some reason I need to write new 8-bit Finnish text then it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends -------------------------------------------------------------------- ;FINNISH.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:34 ; Set on the classic Finnish 7-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 7-bit set terminal character-set Finnish set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as caret (^) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as tilde (~) ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of FINNISH.CMD ------------------------- ;LATIN1.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:17 ; Set on the standard 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \154 \154 ; U" set translation input \129 \129 ; u" set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of LATIN1.CMD -------------------------- ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:33:13 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ ; Alter what is shown set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:54:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utzoo!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:54:21 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >released on January 12, 1995. >Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu And then... >BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >BBSs for downloading by their users, Wonderful. It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is not to be Internet-savvy. I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) This has nothing to do with the technical excellence of the product and my lasting gratitude to all to have contributed. But IMO this policy transcends FreeWare and ShareWare, and can best be described as "BegWare". First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:25:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Message-Id: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Date: 21 Jan 95 21:25:36 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the printer isn't ready. This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, too. Surely this isn't intended? Is there a fix for this? I work around it by embedding the call to Kermit in an alias that checks for and deletes 0-byte files in the logs directory, but that takes time, and it shouldn't be necessary. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 06:13:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" -- second round Date: 21 Jan 1995 06:13:01 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3fq8ld$r30@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous message I wrote about a problem with kermit dropping the connection and giving me this error message. For example: ----------------------------------------------------------------- ?{w{;~{{m Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to thank those who advised me to build kermit5a190 and increase the number of windows and the receive packet-length. This made kermit much faster, and file transfer seems great. I'm running kermit on a NeXTstation with NEXTSTEP 3.2, /dev/cufa, hardware handshaking cable and modem (Supra 14.4LC). But I still get this irritating I/O error which throws me off the remote machine. I suspected my new computer's port, or the modem cable, except that most of the time the connection is great. The error usually occurs when I've been idle for a minute or so, and never in a file transfer. I'm editing this over the kermit connection now, and it's been working for about 20 minutes, I think. It almost seems like a line noise problem, although I didn't have this problem with kermit on my previous machine. Maybe my settings aren't quite right yet. I'll attach those below. Anyone have suggestions for things to try? Thanks, David Finton ---------------------------- (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> show C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, NeXTSTEP Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 57600, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 4526 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 2 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 90515 90515 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Send Pathnames: on Receive Pathnames: on Display: fullscreen Transaction Log: none Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc NeXT kermit> From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:05:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 104 Message-Id: <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>released on January 12, 1995. >... >>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >... >And then... >... >>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>BBSs for downloading by their users, > >Wonderful. >It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is given below). . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Thus, rather than posting an inflammatory message to the whole world, you were invited to discuss it with us offline, to spare the planet another month of acrimony and aggravation. We are not running a democracy here, in which everybody gets to vote on how we do our jobs. We have to generate income to pay our salaries (and for computers, supplies, etc), or we go away. Thus, rousing the public to yell at us accomplishes nothing. >I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are >degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. >This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to >pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It >exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" >users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is >not to be Internet-savvy. > Quite the opposite. On the Internet, we are able to communicate with our users. We can get our message across to them: via announcements, ftp site greeting messages, our Web page, newsgroups, etc, in an efficient way, i.e. many people see one message. But when software is distributed on BBSs, users who get it that way often have no easy way to get in touch with us; furthermore, we have no control over how the software is presented on the BBS -- what messages accompany it, etc. When contact does come from these users, e.g. because they have technical questions because they did not get a manual, it is one-on-one; an extremely inefficient use of our most precious and limited resource: time. >I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in >the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only >docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and >the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) > I think you misunderstand the attitude. Back in the old days, the Kermit effort was paid for by a budget, and we didn't have to generate income. We actually packed up and mailed out those boxes for free -- free! -- for quite a few years. Then the budget went away and we had to pay for ourselves. Years passed, demands for new features and versions increased, the user base increased, the technical support burden increased, and so income has to increase. We don't enjoy nagging everyone all the time to "buy the book" (especially since it only makes sense and the nagging should not be necessary), but if you want us to stop, then pay our salaries :-) The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" (organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" with no compensation. The Internet and the BBSs are not big bags of free goodies. All of the things you find there represent human labor. If you make use of the products of that labor, you should respect the wishes of the people who did the work. >First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. > A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that (a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we have to operate within certain constraints and are not necessarily free to do absolutely anything we (or you) can think of. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3fu059$b3r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start >logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. >If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but >if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the >printer isn't ready. >This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, >too. Surely this isn't intended? > Surely not. Version 3.14 was in Beta test for three months; did you report this problem? If so, the report must have been lost in the shuffle, or we would have addressed it. The best way to report problems like this is by email to: kermit@columbia.edu The more promptly you report them, the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 21:14:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!proffa!a139146 From: a139146@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Ahokas Jarno) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Date: 22 Jan 1995 23:14:46 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 43 Distribution: sfnet Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: proffa.cc.tut.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Path: proffa!a139146 Date: 22 Jan 95 21:10:10 GMT Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: sfnet Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Hi there ! The idea is to use three or more old 286 as "terminals". They all have network adapters and dos 3.x plus drivers for adapters (I don't know the type of these adapters yet). Since the version of SCO we're buying is for 16 users it's possible to expand the network if needed. I was advised by a Finnish SCO "guru" to use MS-Kermit software since it includes support for scandinavian alphabet, terminal-emulations up to VT320 and built in TCP/IP (and it's free). I've also FTPed this software from kermit.cc.columbia.edu both for DOS and SCO UNIX. The DOS side is very well documented (at least 200-300 pages of documentation). There were several kermit programs for SCO UNIX as follows: ckuker.sco32v4 ckuker.sco32v4gcc ckuker.sco32v4net ckuker.sco32v4netc ckuker.sco32v4netgcc ckuker.sco386netc ckuker.sco3r2laic ckuker.sco3r2netnd ckuker.sco_odt30 ckuker._xenix_2.3 About this kermit program. I'm wondering how it actually works. Especially in the UNIX end. I want to make .BAT files in these "terminal AT's" so that when you run this .BAT file the next thing that appears in screen is SCO UNIX asking "login:" and "password:". I know that there must be kermit running in SCO UNIX but how can it handle multiple users and how can the software be run via kermit connection? Many thanks if you can help. Jarno Ahokas (Jarno.Ahokas@cc.tut.fi) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 14:46:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beginner macuser can't download Date: 21 Jan 1995 09:46:41 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 23:18:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!mberg From: mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: Reply-To: mike@mbrg.com Organization: N/A X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:18:59 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while I wait for a native NT version). (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new version that fixed that problem.) But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type junk. Thanks, Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 01:39:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!brando.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@brando.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 23 Jan 1995 01:39:03 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fv1bn$g2o@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Reply-To: ts@uwasa.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: brando.uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters >it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the >following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. > > set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends > set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends I found at least a temporary solution to this problem. The A" and A' keys are needed in editing. I use MicroEMACS so I added the following definitions to my .emacsrc and voila. bind-to-key execute-macro-3 ^X. bind-to-key execute-macro-4 ^X: 3 store-macro insert-string A" <-- \30 !endm 4 store-macro insert-string A' <-- \31 !endm All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Temporarily using an alternative email address ts@brando.uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: <1995Jan22.202111.7168@ais.com> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:21:11 EST References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>>released on January 12, 1995. >>... >>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >>... >>And then... >>... >>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>>BBSs for downloading by their users, >> >>Wonderful. >>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. >> > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: > > . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their > BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the > Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University > to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is > given below). > > . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to > contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Frank, Please consider this as a suggestion rather than a flame. I fully under- stand your need to find funding -- after all, I run a business, so it's not as if I'm against commercial software or the needs of maintaining an adequate balance sheet. I'm not sure what the proper approach is, but I think that the current policy will prove counter-productive. Kermit is already a rather marginal product in the BBS world (for reasons that are mostly cultural rather than technical; we can debate the exact reasons, but the basic facts are really not in dispute), and this will probably be the last straw for it in that marketplace. I will say that you could put more information on how to buy the books into the standard documentation files, and/or convert Kermit to a share- ware product; I think both of these could generate some additional revenue. You have little or no obligation to support users who have down- loaded Kermit from BBSes; it's been your decision to spend the time to support such people. But the new policy may well result in a situation where you have few support demands ... because there are few people using the product (and consequently few book and tape sales, so therefore little revenue; possibly too little revenue to survive). This may or may not be a good thing, but it's not what you claim to want, so I fear that this issue may not have been thought through very well. (I'm tempted to say that perhaps someone more familiar with the business world should be consulted; in my experience, people from University environments -- even from the business offices in Universities -- often have few relevant skills to bring to the table when dealing with such problems). To put it bluntly, I think this approach will reduce your income (from book sales etc) without sufficiently reducing your support costs to make up the difference. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how you can expect any other result. In that case, I would suggest that you (and Columbia) need to consider seriously whether the Kermit mission is one that is still worth working on. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 18:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msunews!news From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 21 Jan 1995 18:28:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex0-1.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Msunetid: mrr X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner>, burns@eisner.decus.org says... > >Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get >C-Kermit working under NT ? A while ago the Windows Online BBS at (510)736-8343 had a file KMN077.ZIP: "Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 14:18:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:18:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: > I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated > to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while > I wait for a native NT version). > > (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new > version that fixed that problem.) > > But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to > display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 > and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck > mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with > it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, > and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type > junk. ------------- This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps you can fill in the blanks for us. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:25:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!power.ci.uv.es!news.upv.es!fchinest From: fchinest@pleione.cc.upv.es (Francisco Chinesta Soria) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 22 Jan 1995 15:25:37 GMT Organization: Centre de Calcul Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: pleione.cc.upv.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Helo. Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? Thanks in advance. Rafa From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 04:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: novice help Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:48:58 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. 1) Can someone help me with this problem and 2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one but its huge and technical. Thanks (private email preferred) Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!pipex!pipex!bt!demeter.aom.bt.co.uk!icarus.aom.bt.co.uk!not-for-mail From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:16:52 -0000 Organization: BT Access Operations and Maintenance Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.aom.bt.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? Thanks. -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:18:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:18:54 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office PC before going home define servemode - set flow none,- set port tcp *,- set server login ID PASSWORD,- server I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility to remotely start another one. Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 00:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Message-Id: <1995Jan23.065200.38807@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 06:52:00 MDT References: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an > ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office > PC before going home > > define servemode - > set flow none,- > set port tcp *,- > set server login ID PASSWORD,- > server > > I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to > my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS > commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only > once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility > to remotely start another one. > > Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after > sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? ---------------- Yes, you can control this behavior, and more, with the DISABLE and ENABLE commands. To be a perpetual server say DISABLE FINISH which will disable FINISH, BYE, LOGOUT from clients. You can also restrict access to changing directories, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:42:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beginner macuser can't download Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:42:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g0pr1$lvt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go >Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". >Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. > Please try the current (non-)release of Mac Kermit: CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:46:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3g0q11$m9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es>, Francisco Chinesta Soria wrote: > Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit, Choose "Further Information", then "FAQ". Or anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:56:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:56:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3g0qjn$n6i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Mark Riordan wrote: >had a file KMN077.ZIP: > >"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of >the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes >most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute >packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal >emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is >fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." > >Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr > Actually, the latest versions are KM[WN]080.ZIP. W is Win 3.1 and N is NT. This is an original work not supported by Columbia but based on Frank's Kermit Protocol book. The interface is pretty and it supports Async and WINSOCK connections. BUT... it does not have any Script language and the VT emulators fail many of the vttest program's tests. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:57:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: novice help Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:57:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3g0qm9$n8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with >me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every >time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I >try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. > >1) Can someone help me with this problem > First you have to say what kind of computer you have, what operating system, which Kermit program, and which version. But in general, the safest bet is to tell BOTH Kermit programs to "set file type binary". Yes, there are shortcuts, but you can learn them later. >and > >2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one >but its huge and technical. > Which documentation are you referring to? The two most popular Kermit programs, MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, each have excellent, professionally published manuals that are no more technical than you need them to be. They start out in tutorial fashion geared to novices, and work up to advanced stuff for those who need it. You can find out about the manuals by pointing your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, or by sending an email inquiry to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:03:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:03:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3g0r1j$nrt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk>, Steve Fosdick wrote: >Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of >connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? > C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 supports this feature. Read about it in section 3.1 of the ckcker.upd (C-Kermit update notes) file that comes with it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 15:14:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 15:14:30 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3g0h4m$i85@hack.dragoman.com> References: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > >In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: [...] >> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with >> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, >> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type >> junk. >------------- > This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what >the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, >the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. >In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we >don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know >if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps >you can fill in the blanks for us. > Joe D. OK. I can see the difference when reading the usenet group can.francais. For example, the article "FAQ - les accents francais et Usenet", the following paragraph: + Oy qu'il riside, ` Nnmes ou mjme Capharna|m, tout Frangais inscrit au rtle rhglera son d{ avant Nokl, qu'il soit naof ou rbleur. ; Reading this (that is -- the original - hopefully properly copied here) from netcom.com using MS Kermit 3.13 displays this ISO-8859-1 text correctly, but not MS Kermit 3.14 with the nearly out-of-the-box configuration. Sorry for not being too clear about this in my previous posting. I haven't deleted 3.13 from my system yet, so I'm doing a side-by-side comparison. I assume I'm having some obvious configuration problem that I can't locate in the help - but that can be easily fixed. Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 05:35:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 11:35:05 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt > to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version > 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because > the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style > if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? --------- It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 23:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26064 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 23:17:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Berg wrote: >I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated >to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while >I wait for a native NT version). > >But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal >with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's >different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead >of as IBM PC-type junk. > I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic ones). Note, by the way, that MS-DOS Kermit's "set terminal code-page" does not actually do anything as far as loading code pages is concerned. It is simply a way to inform Kermit what the current code page actually is, so it can set up the correct translations. This is necessary because the DOS call that asks what the current code page is tends to lie, especially if it is not CP437 or CP850. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a CHARSET macro that displays all the characters of the current code page. What do you see when you type "charset" at the MS-Kermit> prompt? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 00:28:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patches Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:28:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3g1hjv$261@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1705 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:8 John W. Manly wrote... I just noticed what appears to be some nasty behavior in Kermit. (I've tried this on both Kermit 3.13 and the Jan 12th 3.14). I have some code in a LOGIN.COM to try to set the label of the window and icon in a DECwindows session using and operations, and it appears that Kermit is choking on these sequences rather than ignoring them. > For example, if I send the either of the sequences, 21;FOOBAR or 2L;FOOBAR to the Kermit emulator, it freezes up and requires an ALT-= to reset it. These sequences are used by DECwindows for changeing the label of a window or icon (I forget which is which), and while I wouldn't expect Kermit to do anything upon reception, I wouldn't expect it to lock up either. And mrichmon@paz.gsfc.nasa.gov (Michael Richmond) wrote: I discovered a possible bug in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14 dated 12 Jan 1995. Kermit will find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f c:\not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini But it will not find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f \not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini That is, the drive letter must be supplied on the command line when the initialization file is not in the default directory. This restriction does not exist in version 3.14/Beta-14 dated 20 Nov 1994. These are both bugs. They are fixed by patches. The patch files are available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a. Transfer them in text mode: For KERMIT.EXE: msr314.pch For KERMITE.EXE: msrm314.pch For KERLITE.EXE: msrl314.pch Put them in your top-level KERMIT directory and, if you are using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, they will be applied automatically. If you are not using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, then put a PATCH command at the top of your startup file. You can tell that they have taken effect when Kermit's version herald reports: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 Thanks to Joe Doupnik for the quick fixes! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:37:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 23 Jan 95 11:37:10 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:38:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:09:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:08:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!joverton From: joverton@uoguelph.ca (Jeff Overton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Elavil and Heartburn Date: 23 Jan 1995 16:38:26 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3g0m22$ggd@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca Keywords: Elavil & Heartburn - Lisa Overton X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- I am wondering about a possible connection between the heartburn difficulties and amitrypline or Elavil. For me the symptoms of heartburn flared around the same time I was increasing the dosage of Amit. Just wondering if anyone else has had this experience or if anyone knows if Elavil can aggravate heartburn or reflux problems? I am taking 150 mg Zantac daily , doesn't seem to be helping really. I am considering trying to go on a low carb diet or cutting out milk altogether. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Lisa Overton, Guelph, ON Canada...That's 'gwelf' From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help needed Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:30:40 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3g0skg$j8n@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to upload via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 80 and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or Qmodem which can be configured like this? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:09:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 23 Jan 1995 21:09:56 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3g15v4$kc@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: :>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. :A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that :(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this :area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we Way back then I think we about covered and analyzed every possible angle. I respect Frank's views and I know he appreciated mine. I see no reason for going over exactly the same arguments and counter-arguments again after just a few months. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:18:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Control: cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 16:18:49 -0500 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.161849@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:03:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!wetware!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Latin-1 (problem solved) Date: 24 Jan 1995 08:03:55 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3g2c9b$9ar@hack.dragoman.com> References: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > >I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit >displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have >CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow >fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code >page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to >find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" >OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic >ones). > I figured out how to get most of Latin-1 to display OK. I just had to set the terminal to VT220 or VT320. When I had set the terminal to VT100, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 was displaying the characters as CP437 - i.e., without translation. This is a change from 3.13. (I booted up WFW 3.11 and observed the same behavior). Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:32:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Message-Id: <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 14:32:55 MDT References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and > pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to > automatically send and receive files from another computers. > > I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected > to my host, I get the string placed and executed. > > However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error > complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. > > For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on > the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords > match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. > > My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. > I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > > Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the > impression from the documentation that this should work. ---------- Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized (the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 09:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.155339.39082@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 15:53:39 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: >> >> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? >> > > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. ----------- I'm moving this thread into my net.trivia queue. Macros don't overlay hard coded command names. They may conflict with some abbreviations of hard coded command names. If a one or two letter macro name does this for you then please choose another combination. It's hardly something to create a lot of traffic about. The general rule to apply is avoid macro names which are the same as a command or an abbreviation of a command; that will be a safe rule under all circumstances. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: :In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :> :> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :> I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected :> to my host, I get the string placed and executed. :> :> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error :> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. :> :> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on :> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords :> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. :> :> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the :> impression from the documentation that this should work. :---------- : Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized :(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal :emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and :acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. : Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending :file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say :CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not :terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. : Joe D. So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. Oh well, c'est la vie! --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:51:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: >:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >:> >:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and >:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to >:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. > Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. >:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. >:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. >So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work >with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar >functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. > Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 can be an APC sender. If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 15:19:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:19:18 GMT Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE Can't change speed to 14400 I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with a 28.8 USR Sportster. My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets set modem sportster set line /dev/ttyS1 set speed 115200 set file type text set file name lit set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my modem, thinking these people knew more than I. Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this jibberish? (-; Thanks, Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 02:43:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 09:43:34 MST Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR [article both posted and mailed] In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >--------- > It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. > Joe D. I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: MS-Kermit>ver IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 MS-Kermit>show macro x No macro(s) Free space (bytes) for names: 612 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit>define x push MS-Kermit>show macro x X = push Free space (bytes) for names: 607 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 13:46:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 26 Jan 1995 13:46:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message > > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE > Can't change speed to 14400 > >I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with >a 28.8 USR Sportster. > >My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: > >set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly >set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial >set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots >set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking >set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets >set modem sportster >set line /dev/ttyS1 >set speed 115200 >set file type text >set file name lit >set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} > >I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my >modem, thinking these people knew more than I. > >Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? > As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what the connection speed turns out to be. Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, or locked. You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for a longer explanation. >P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently >means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this >jibberish? (-; > It probably means "don't let the modem send data to the computer unless the computer is asserting the Request To Send (RTS) signal". That's one half (one direction) of the bidirectional RTS/CTS flow-control regime. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 19:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 24 Jan 1995 14:12:55 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to automatically send and receive files from another computers. I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected to my host, I get the string placed and executed. However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the impression from the documentation that this should work. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:18:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ml5d+ From: Mark Kuang Luo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help. Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:18:08 -0500 Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 8 Message-Id: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. Thanks _/ason From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:58:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:15:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 24 Jan 95 13:29:37 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 21:19:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:19:45 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: : Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment : single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. -- David From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 07:17:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.131737.39041@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 13:17:37 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > [article both posted and mailed] > > In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >>> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >>--------- >> It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. >> Joe D. > > I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation > is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution > to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: > > MS-Kermit>ver > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 > MS-Kermit>show macro x > No macro(s) > Free space (bytes) for names: 612 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit>define x push > MS-Kermit>show macro x > X = push > Free space (bytes) for names: 607 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit> > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? -------- Yes, use "F" as in my example above. Not all macro names in conflict with exiting names will be accepted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:00:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:00:46 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? Thanks. cc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 23:55:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 23:55:32 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to the remote dialup server. This is my last resort; I've spoken with system administrators and they have never even heard of such problems. I've tried everything I can think of; switching COM drivers, changing the flow control and speed, changing the packet size ... everything, Thanks in advance ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 06:17:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Message-Id: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> From: "Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh!" Date: 25 JAN 95 00:15:43 AST Sender: usenet@unb.ca Organization: The University of New Brunswick Nntp-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. Thanks....Bernie. ____________________________________________________________ | Bernie Connors | Dept of Geodesy and Geomatics | | Surveying Engineering | University of New Brunswick | | (student) | Fredericton, New Brunswick | | Q56X@unb.ca | Canada | |_________________________|________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:37:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:37:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 79 Message-Id: <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: :In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :>In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, :>Joe Doupnik wrote: :>:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :>:> :>:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers :you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. : :>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, :which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. : :>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work :>with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar :>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. :> :Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. : :For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read :section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. : :For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations :that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have :this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it :was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments :stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and :therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would :do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the :accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read :about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. : :Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". : :And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, :and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 :can be an APC sender. : :If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them :by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. : :- Frank Sorry, I apoligize I guess I wasn't clear enough, or maybe I should've quoted the original post a little more than what I did. The ignorance is mine in this matter. I didn't think that I would have to be in terminal mode to make these macros work from the MSK side when I was using MSK locally and CK on the host. However, Joe's explanation that you need to be in terminal mode for the APC commands to be received straightened everything out for me. I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to execute them). Damn! Improper pronount/subject reference. Maybe I should've listened to my elementary school grammar teacher with a little more fervor? 8) Thanks for all the input though. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:01:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:01:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gaubj$qma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo wrote: >I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes >to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Or if anyone has a short >explanation, it would be appreciated. > I think you are asking: how can Kermit transfer 8-bit data over 7-bit communication links? You can find the answer in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Your school library probably has a copy. >Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page > Yes to both. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/. You'll find the FAQ in "Further Information". Also by ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 13:16:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!news.fundp.ac.be!Newsmaster From: jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 27 Jan 1995 13:16:07 GMT Organization: FUNDP, Namur, Belgium Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jean-luc.goffin@fundp.ac.be Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-jlg.cc.fundp.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>and TCP/IP 32? >Yes. >> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>packet driver will not work. >> >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >discussion of this problem. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >for the information you are asking for. > >- Frank I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications in files system.ini and protocol.ini. I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat file. Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. Thanks for any info, Jean-Luc From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:04:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:04:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gauhc$qte@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thomas David Nichols wrote: >Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: >: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > >Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You >could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. > No, it would not work. There is presently no reliable way to imbed comments within an MS-DOS Kermit command, and a macro definition is a command. You can have full-line comments and trailing comments, but not imbedded comments. Yes, this is a desirable feature, and maybe it will appear in a future release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:07:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gaunq$r44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>, Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh! wrote: >Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with >C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? >I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to >turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. > This is explained, clearly I hope, in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There is no explicit command to turn this feature off and on. It is used if PARITY is not NONE, i.e. if it is EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE. If PARITY is NONE, it is not used. Note that Kermit will detect EVEN, ODD, or MARK parity automatically, and will use 8th-bit prefixing (and/or locking shifts) if it is detected, as it must do in order to transmit 8-bit data through a 7-bit channel. Also note that the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:18:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3gavbl$s4o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is >mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a >message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? > It doesn't have to be. There is a Macintosh version of Kermit and everybody is free to use it and discuss it, but it's only fair to warn you that it is not supported as well as MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, or IBM Mainframe Kermit, due to lack of Macintosh programmers available to work on the project. Mac Kermit was originally written here at Columbia University in the days when we still had a staff of professional programmers for Kermit software development. Those days are long gone, and since then we have relied on a succession of volunteer programmers elsewhere. The last of these succumbed to the exigencies of Real Life some years ago, and since then the Macintosh-specific aspects of Mac Kermit have remained relatively static, which would not be such a bad thing if it were not for the fact that Macintosh hardware and OSs have been changing out from under it at a rapid pace. For example, Mac Kermit suddenly lost its ability to download (receive) files when Mac OS 7.1 was released, because a particular system call started working differently (I fixed this problem myself, but that should not be taken as an indication that I know anything about Macintosh programming!). The current version of Mac Kermit is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It has some problems and limitations, which are listed in the accompanying "beware" file, but it is quite usable for many purposes and has a good VT320 emulator. Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. Macintosh programmers with an MPW C 3.2 (or later) development system are more than welcome to pitch in. Nothing would please me more than to be able to bring Mac Kermit back to life. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:27:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gavrk$sq9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >... >I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. >I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there >was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local >machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation >present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to >execute them). > Maybe this will help. There are different approaches to automating things. If you want the client (the "local" Kermit, the Kermit that is running on the PC on your desk, or whatever) to control things, then you do this with a script program using INPUT and OUTPUT and related commands to send commands to the host and read and act on its responses. If you want the host to control things, then your local Kermit must be in terminal mode, and the host sends commands to it embedded in APC sequences. A third configuration has the host Kermit program in server mode, and the local Kermit controlling it with SEND, GET, REMOTE, and FINISH commands. A fourth has the local Kermit in server mode and the remote one controlling it in the same way. Other combinations can be imagined, e.g. both Kermit programs running scripts at the same time that interact with each other, but the main trick is in appreciating that we don't have a "modeless" situation here, so when automating things, the controlling script must be conscious of what mode the controlled entity is in. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:38:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:38:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 >CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to >upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under >about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! > >I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host >also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and >OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no >more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote >machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the >problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar >with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect >and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to >the remote dialup server. > Data connections are rarely symmetrical. The fact that something works in one direction is not a good predictor of success in the other direction. Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging through the technical manuals for the devices involved. But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 25 03:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 24 Jan 1995 22:06:33 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g4f7p$ksh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are you looking of native mode or scan code mode??? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:34:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 27 Jan 95 19:34:09 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? > I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is > KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. The probability is 1: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:13:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:21:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:20:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!pavo.concordia.ca!g_rober From: g_rober@pavo.concordia.ca (ROBERT, GABRIEL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to do VT100 emulation in C-Kermit under FreeBSD ? HELP! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:13 -0500 Organization: Concordia University Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo3.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I need to emulate a VT100 terminal from FreeBSD version 1. I am currently using Kermit 5A(190). A friend told me there was no way to do such a thing! I hope somebody out ther would have a better answer: I am looking for: 1) a way to do it from Kermit OR 2) a VT-100 terminal emulation that I could use from FreeBSD to contact the host. (I am using a 386) Thank you in advance: any help will be greatly appreciated Gabriel ROBERT Computer Science, 2nd year Concordia University, CANADA From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 20:38:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:38:27 GMT Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, >tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on >the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream >traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream >traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). > >Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your >case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your >DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. > >To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the >communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging >through the technical manuals for the devices involved. ... and having access to that communications equipment. I doubt PUCC would be to keen on such an extended level of customer service. >But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible >means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: >between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the >terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow >control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such >as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not >always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports >RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned >assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. Well, I was using RTS/CTS between my PC and the modem, and no flow control between the machine and the terminal server. I've tried changing these with no success. I can't figure out what the modem pool uses to communicate with the terminal server, and I don't think I could change it if I needed to. So, I guess I'm just hosed, unless other people start complaining about this as well ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 09:46:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Darin Wayrynen) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:46:23 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8554 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1738 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? I can't (won't!) run Windows. I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) I'm desparate. Please help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com [Posted to both comp.protocols.ppp and comp.protocols.kermit.misc] From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 03:36:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (group 1 and group 2 modules) UNIX Date: 27 Jan 1995 22:36:47 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3gce4f$6at@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to know how to maintain global variables after I pass in and out of the user interface. I checked the program logic manual, but it only made a passing reference to the fact the variables are not normally kept when calling group 2 fuctions. Please help me this is the last thing I need to get my custom version into beta:) thanks in advance, Paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:36:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl4.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 25 Jan 1995 08:36:23 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free >software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you >won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free >Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of >the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The >Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the >good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and >generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are >forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If >millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might >think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and >give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem >to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" >(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" >with no compensation. Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 19:44:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:44:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working on an internal version of c-kermit.....I need to know where I can declare a couple of vars (3 ints and a char array) such that they will be global to all modules. thanks in advance paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 04:40:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.104036.39192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 10:40:36 MDT References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 137 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo writes: > Hi: > I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes > to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a > www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. ------------- Far be it from me to do your homework (I'm a Prof too, and my grad networks class is slaving away on my IP packet fragment reassembly techniques without many hints from me). Your question is a little mysterious. Kermit does not display all bytes as ASCII because not all byte values (code points in the jargon) are displayable (printable in the jargon). Control codes aren't, for example. Only one character set is ASCII, ASCII itself. Yet Kermit deals with many different character sets. In general, there isn't a way of answering adequately in a News message, but I'll indicate the tip of the iceberg in a few sentences. Display devices have one or two display "pages", named Graphics Left (GLeft) and Graphics Right (GRight). GLeft is without a high bit set in its code points and is often ASCII; GRight is for code points with the high bit set and is a variety of character sets. VT100 terminals have only GLeft and use control codes SO and SI to change to/from (Shift Out / In, respectively) a replacement character set. VT200 and above have GLeft and GRight, and they support ISO 2022 control sequences to map character sets to either GR or GL. ISO 2022 says behind the GR/GL display pair exists four pages named G0..G3 ready to move into GR/GL upon command. Commands exist to load G0..G3 with character sets of choice drawn from a secondary storage of many possible sets. If you review cryptic doc msvibm.vt located on kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a you will see the command sequences to load GR/GL from G0..G3, to shift in/out, and so on. That's hard to understand without also reading the ISO 2022 doc, but we can't reproduce the latter item (copyright, etc). A cutout of some interesting pieces of msvibm.vt are appended below. If you have access to DEC VT200/300/400 technical manuals then they have good pictures and discussion of the ISO 2022 mechanisms. Joe D. --------------- ESC ( SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G0 ESC ) SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G1 ESC * SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G2 ESC + SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G3 ESC - SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G1 ESC . SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G2 ESC / SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G3 size character set A 94 UK-ASCII (ASCII, sharp sign 2/3 replaced by Sterling sign), strictly only when a VT102 but permitted by Kermit also for VT220/VT320 A 96 ISO Latin-1 (default in G2, G3) B 94 ASCII (default in G0, G1) 0 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) 1 94/96 Kermit, ALT-ROM 2 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) %5 94 DEC Supplemental Graphics < 94/96 User Preferred Supplemental Set* > 94 DEC Technical set (from VT340's) H 96 Hebrew-ISO (ISO 8859-8) "4 94 Hebrew-7 * VT300 terminals give choice of ISO Latin-1 (96) or DEC Supplemental Graphics (94) determined by a Setup menu selection or host command. VT420 Hebrew terminals add choices of Hebrew-ISO and Hebrew-7. MS-DOS Kermit has DEC Supplemental Graphics as the startup UPSS character set. If the size of the character set does not match the nothing happens. Startup defaults are ASCII in G0 and G1, ISO Latin-1 in G2 and G3, GL points to G0, GR points to G2. Activating DEC National Replacement Characters maps the NRC set selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET into G0..G3. Single and Locking shifts, SS2, SS3, LS0 (SI), LS1 (SO), LS1R, LS2, LS2R, LS3, LS3R determine which set is mapped to the GLeft or GRight area. ESC n LS2 Map character set in G2 to GL, locking shift ESC o LS3 Map character set in G3 to GL, locking shift ESC | LS3R Map character set in G3 to GR, locking shift ESC } LS2R Map character set in G2 to GR, locking shift ESC ~ LS1R Map character set in G1 to GR, locking shift Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation SO/LS1 0/14 0eh ^N Map character set in G1 to GL, locking shift SI/LS0 0/15 0fh ^O Map character set in G0 to GL, locking shift Control codes in C1 (high bit set) Area: Name ASCII value chart 8-bit 7-bit operation SS2 8/14 8eh ESC N Map G2 to GL for next char only, single shift SS3 8/15 8fh ESC O Map G3 to GL for next char only, single shift Character sets: VT320 Character set storage areas G0 G1, G2, and G3 ------------------------------- -------------------------------- Any 94 char set Any 94 or 96 char set ASCII ("B"/94) default G1 default is ASCII ("B"/94), G2 and G3 defaults are ISO Latin-1 ("A"/96) Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS-DOS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) User Preferred, UPSS, if Suppl Gr. UPSS if ISO Latin-1 or Suppl Gr. DEC-Hebrew or Hebrew-ISO National Replacement Characters are forced into all sets when activated by CSI ? 42 h but only if a has been previously selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET VT102 Character set storage areas G0 and G1 G2 and G3 -------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ASCII ("B"/94) Default ASCII ("B"/94) Default Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) National Replacement Characters Always ASCII ("B"/94) are selected and activated by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET and affect only G0 and G1. Request CSI ? 26 n keyboard dialect Response CSI ? 27; Ps n in MS Kermit this is controlled by command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET Ps Country Ps Country 1 North American/ASCII 9 Italian 2 British 13 Norwegian/Danish 8 Dutch 16 Portugese 6 Finnish 15 Spanish 14 French 12 Swedish 4 French Canadian 11 Swiss (German) 7 German 14 Hebrew From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 22:22:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:43:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 25 Jan 1995 22:22:13 GMT Organization: UDP Inc. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet09.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone suggest an alternate method to explore? Any help offered is greatly appreciated. David From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 17:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 28 Jan 1995 17:26:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >Hello, > > My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit >data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I >have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is >kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone >suggest an alternate method to explore? No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your dilemma. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 03:50:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Message-Id: <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 09:50:59 MDT References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be>, jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) writes: >>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>>and TCP/IP 32? > >>Yes. > >>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>>packet driver will not work. >>> > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >>discussion of this problem. > >>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >>mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >>to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >>for the information you are asking for. >> >>- Frank > > I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications > in files system.ini and protocol.ini. > I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" > "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat > file. > > Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 > under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, > netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. ------------- Syntax errors you will have to work out slowly at your end, but I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack loaded. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 17:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Message-Id: <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:43:16 +0000 Reply-To: Michael Bernardi Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: The Children's Society X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: >As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug >in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been >replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. > >If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you >want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of >your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other >file you might have modified. Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 12:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 18:06:30 CST Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this problem? I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence (13 seconds). The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my preferences in the modem itself. Help on any or all of these problems would be greatly appreciated. If you need more information, I'll be more than happy to provide it. Thanks for your help, Troy Smith P.S. Sorry if the formatting is weird, but I'm using an unfamiliar editor to post this. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:13:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to do VT100 Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:13:10 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge506$27d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What kind of terminal are you using?? From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: C-Kermit Development (global vars) Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge56t$28f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Just like in any C program, any variable that you declare outside of >a function is global to the entire program unless you declare it >static. > >However, I would recommend that you declare the vars in the module >closest in association with the use of the vars. >Might I ask what modifications you are making to the ck code? Thanks for the reply - I have plowed my way through the code and now have the new version in test. (I ended up declaring the vars outside main in ckcmai and then declairing them as external in the other mods) My only remaining problem is one that I need my vars to live on after the user passes in uses the command mode (user interface..... ie When I drop to the C-kermit> prompt then move back to connect mode all my vars are reinitiated. This is refered to in the Program Logic manual only they refer to them as group 1 and group 2 fuctions. At Last to my question: Using the nomenclature of the Program Logic Manual I need to maintain my vars when moving from group 1 fuctions to group 2 fuctions. How I do this?? :) This version keeps a copy of the current terminal screen in memory, and a tool or two to use that screen. thanks, paul From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 26 02:18:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 21:18:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g70oq$3u0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A little more background: 1) The vars are currently defined in ckcmai 2) 2 small fuctions live in ckutio 3) another fuction lives in one of the ckuusr modules 4) All seems to work fine while I remain in connect mode. However if I exit to the prompt and return my vars are redefined. :( Again, thanks in advance. paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 11:16:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: <1995Jan28.171658.39633@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 17:16:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8581 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1751 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and > now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, > and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. > > Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like > mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike > Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? > > I can't (won't!) run Windows. > > I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) > > I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) > > I'm desparate. --------- Well, just how does your service provider indicate the IP number to be used for a particular connection? If it's sent as part of a logon message then what you need is to write a tiny script to do the logon chatter and pick out the IP number. Note that MSK v3.14 supports \v(input) to make the INPUT command's buffer available to the sundry \f...() string manipulation operators. Might your provider support Bootp over SLIP? If so that's the end of the problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 14:49:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!mcc!paul.garcia From: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help ne Message-Id: <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 00:49:00 +1000 Distribution: world Organization: My Computer Company BBS, Australia [+61] (02) 565-1044 Reply-To: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> X-Newsreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to circumvent this? Appreciate any advice. <> * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Navy pilot's worst nightmare...NO CARRIER! From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 03:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 03:01:59 GMT Organization: Home Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet14.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask >what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? > >Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your >dilemma. > Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 07:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 07:39:12 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up on other comm programs. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 01:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan26.070621.39295@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 95 07:06:21 MDT References: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) > and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten > when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this > problem? A blind guess is your host is addressing the status line specifically, such as ESC [ 25 ; column H. LOG SESSION to obtain material for analysis, wrap in uuencoding to protect binary information, mail to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu, with commentary. I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having > another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly > --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the > connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from > 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, But it can be. Please use the one shipped with MSK 3.14 and add your changes. > I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a > couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods > the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to > our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will Something at your end, such as providing expanded memory but forgetting to pin down where the 64KB expanded memory frame goes (that's a frame=segment kind of construction). Please review the release notes in v3.14 about memory management. > sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server > (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, > busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This > may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence > (13 seconds). > > The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it > tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script > that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my > preferences in the modem itself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 10:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:50:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!CMSFJK From: CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (F.J.Kelley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 15:31:52 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1756 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15512 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Net, Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered elsewhere, but .... I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor (FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would appreciate any information you might have, thanks, -- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 05:13:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!ulkyvm.louisville.edu!JWPURPZ1 From: JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:13:07 EST Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173358FB7S85.JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvm.louisville.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: [re: software costs, etc.] >Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books >just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. I think this is a great way to do it. I recently bought Lamport's book on LaTeX. Anytime you can get the quality of software in Kermit or LaTeX, etc. for the price of a <$40 book it's a bargain! I hope it's a trend. WAKELEY PURPLE JWPURPZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU WAKEP@IGLOU.COM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:33:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:33:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ggch0$74l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1758 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15534 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu>, F.J.Kelley wrote: >Hi Net, >Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered >elsewhere, but .... >I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The >problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running >NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor >(FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I >could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no >problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not >been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit >for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though >I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but >no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would >appreciate any information you might have, thanks, >-- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu You cannot use MS-DOS Kermit in OS/2 for Telnet without being able to dedicate a separate Network card to its DOS session. However, the xlate table you create for the Cyber should work for C-Kermit. The question is where is the xlate table installed. I assume that it is a table that defines a terminal emulation and keyboard setup. Correct? If so, then what you need to do is create a keyboard map file that sets the keys up so that they match those that you are using in MS-DOS Kermit. Take a look at CKOVTK2.INI for an example of a complete VT220 keyboard layout. Be sure to be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190), not 5A(189). ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko190.zip Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:35:25 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ggcjt$19r@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack >nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack >loaded. > Joe D. Hi Joe, I have not yet downloaded the final version of Kermit 3.14 and have not read the SETUP.DOC for NETWORKS, but there may be a solution. Dan Lanciani has written a NDIS3 to real mode packet driver VXD which is supposed to handle this sort of thing. It multiplexes the WIN32 IP stack with the DOS packet driver based IP stack. This should allow Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack to function. I have not tested this with Kermit, but it is similar to PKTMUX in function. It's worth examining. There is a reference to this driver and a location in the comp.os.tcpip.ibmpc FAQ. Brian Angus bangus@hookup.net bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:42:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:42:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: > >Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET on the intermediary file. You can talk to me in private for more details if you want to pursue this avenue. Of course, if there was a programmer available who had access to a AS/400 that was willing to help us in the port of C-Kermit to that platform, well we would be very appreciative. :-) Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:45:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? Random characters at the current cursor position? Random characters at some other position? Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Could you please define "leaking"? Are you using hardware flow control? Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 30 02:28:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit uploading problem Date: 29 Jan 1995 21:28:29 -0500 Organization: CS Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? Symptoms: 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. 2. NO problem uploading text files. 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? Hardware: Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. Any help would be highly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 14:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Message-Id: <1995Jan29.203446.39743@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jan 95 20:34:46 MDT References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) writes: > I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > > Symptoms: > > 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. > 2. NO problem uploading text files. > 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > > I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. > I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > > Hardware: > Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis > PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 > Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. > > Any help would be highly appreciated. ------------- More information is needed, I'm afraid to say. Which versions of Kermits are being used? The VERSION command and the startup herald will show that. Flow control *must* be used, particularly going to the VAXen. Since hardware flow control is difficult to achieve on VAXen you are stuck with XON/XOFF, so be sure the VAX side can send it (see your VAX system manager). Then do not unprotect XON/XOFF control codes in Kermit packets because that will let data mistakenly act as flow control bytes. Finally, examine the PARITY situation. If parity is in use be sure to tell both Kermits about it, else you will lose the high bit of bytes and the transfer will fail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 07:31:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 07:31:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >> >>Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. > >Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as >the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary >machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with >Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. > >You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >on the intermediary file. That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 link if performance is an issue. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:21:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu!SPDREH From: SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Michael Dreher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 21:21:02 CST Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <1733512C41S86.SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu> References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) writes: >KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa >KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 >KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate >KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or >KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > >I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I >heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet >lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to >circumvent this? > >Appreciate any advice. > > I'll answer to both, although I know Telix better than Terminate. There's a couple of threads about Telix and MS-Kermit in Fidonet. Basically, you can install MS-Kermit as an external protocol in Telix. What you need is a simple batch file that has one line: (Pick based on which version of Kermit you have) c:\msker314\kerlite.exe (MS-Kermit 3.14) c:\msker313\kermit.exe (MS-Kermit 3.13) -- adjust based on your path. Save the batch file as KERMIT.BAT and call it from the External protocols menu. You do not have to pass file names. The download and upload batch file is the same (KERMIT.BAT). You do need to have Kermit either in your PATH statement or in the same directory as Telix/Terminate. You then configure the long packets in the MSCUSTOM.INI files. I have packets set to 2000, and it works fine for me. That serves as the basics--you will want to check out the book as well as the Kermit FAQ--that will tell you how to optimize your performance even more. I have a poor server connection here, and can get 675 cps on text transfers at 9600 bps, and about 400 cps on binarys. The FAQ explains how to optimize still more. The FAQ is available by FTP to kermit.columbia.edu Telix does *NOT* have the full Kermit implementation--it's only a subset that has a max of 94 cps. That is explained in the Telix 3.2x documentation. I don't believe Telemate does either. That's why Frank and others urge us to use Columbia's Kermit. Hope this helps! Michael Dreher Dept. of Speech Communication Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3923 spdreh@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Internet) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:42:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gitsg$44f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH wrote: >I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > >1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. >2. NO problem uploading text files. >3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > >I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. >I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > Something in the upstream path is sensitive to the contents of the Kermit packets. If you are using the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX feature, then stop using it. If that is not the answer, then use SET PARITY SPACE. One or both of these should do the trick. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:55:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:55:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3giukt$50e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >>David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >>> >>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >>machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >>REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >>on the intermediary file. > >That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to >recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 >link if performance is an issue. The difference is that IND$FILE can be executed on OS/2 via a batch process. I do not believe that there is an automated ftp for OS/2 yet. Also, it is unclear whether TCP/IP services are available on this OS/400 system. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:27:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail From: smsummer@acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephan Martin Summerer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 08:27:24 -0700 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) Stephan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:53:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 19:53:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3gjg45$31i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, Stephan Martin Summerer wrote: >Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 >and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the >background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I >switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am >running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit >for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed >out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still >coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was >changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for >the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the >transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) > Stephan WARP provides no changes to the API for the system or its defaults. When using WARP you should only use 5A(190) as 5A(189) is not compatible with WARP's IAK. Of course, 5A(190) also has many additional features. Things that did change in WARP were the COM drivers. Many people have complained about the drivers when they don't have a buffered UART. You also don't mention what speed you are transmitting at. Make sure you are using hardware flow control. And what else are you running in the background? Are you using the Windows quick-load option by chance? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 23:02:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery and (nearly) full file systems Date: 30 Jan 1995 23:02:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3gjr5i$mh2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clearly, Kermit should take into account the fact that you are attempting to resume an interrupted transfer. You can get around the refusal, though. Just SET ATTR LEN OFF. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:56:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 30.Jan.1995 In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au>, paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) wrote: > KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) > KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > > KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa > KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 > KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate > KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or > KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > > > I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I > heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet > lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to > circumvent this? > > Appreciate any advice. Set Kermit up as an external protocol, and call on KERLITE.EXE [3.14] when transferring files. Examples a-plenty are given in the documentation that comes with Kermit. It's the only guarenteed way to get fast transfer rates and a guarentee to be able to connect to all modern Kermits. Get Kermit from ftp - kermit.columbia.edu under /kermit/bin/msv314.zip -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:58:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: Sven%OSLONETT@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Date: 31 Jan 1995 12:58:07 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all. Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? Hope to hear from you. Sven Andreassen [sven@oslonett.no] From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:24:19 GMT Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the | >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up | >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? My apologies. I've been busy and haven't had much time to check my mail. > Random characters at the current cursor position? Yes. About a character or two every half minute. > Random characters at some other position? No. > Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that > you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". > Could you please define "leaking"? "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at random intervals at the cursor screen). > Are you using hardware flow control? Yes. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:59:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr. Calvin Rome (dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil) wrote: : I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform : running SUNOS 4.1. I'm having no trouble with Netcom's SUNOS, with this in my script input 5 ogin: if success output helios\13 Maybe you should show us your script (with any passwords deleted) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 08:51:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!pa.dec.com!usasoc.soc.mil!dtd-lo3 From: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) Message-Id: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Subject: MSKermit Login Problem Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 13:51:59 EST X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA02446; Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:00:56 -0800 X-Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA23999; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:56 -0800 X-Received: from USASOC.SOC.MIL by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA26407; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.3 6/25/88) X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc.usenet@decwrl.dec.com X-Cc: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform running SUNOS 4.1. Here is the situation: I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: login: t-lo3 then it locks up Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: login: DD-3 then it locks up With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the password: login: dtd-lo3 Password: My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any suggestions? ********************************************************************** Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School *********************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!kauf0019 From: kauf0019@gold.tc.umn.edu (Lauren P Kauffman) Subject: kermit for DG AOS??? Message-Id: Sender: news@news.tc.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:23:05 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General MV7800XP AOS operating system? Lauren Kauffman From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:13:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!ames!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!wldelft.nl!dee From: dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Sender: dee@ws16sno.wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Organization: Waterloopkundig Laboratorium (Delft Hydraulics) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:13:43 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? Dick Dee dee@wldelft.nl From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:53:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 20:53:26 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. > > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem > transfers. > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. --------- No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as fast as the others and much better in many respects. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 20:31:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:37 -0500 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:31:32 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 05:15:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl8.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 21:15:46 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gn5e2$7am@crl8.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You can set up Kermit to run PDZ or DSZ (the former Public Domain and the latter Shareware). They do ZModem transfer. If you would like info. on how to use or get PDZ, send me E-Mail. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com ps: That's what I am using for connecting to my Unix shell account. Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: : > : > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. : > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). : > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in : > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. : > : > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem : > transfers. : > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? : > : > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. : --------- : No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We : think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as : fast as the others and much better in many respects. : Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 08:19:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: <1995Jan30.141916.39821@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 95 14:19:16 MDT References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) writes: > I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform > running SUNOS 4.1. > > Here is the situation: > > I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. > I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running > SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In > the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being > released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys > Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which > broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original > MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta > testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been > using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of > which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. > When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: > > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > > Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: > > login: DD-3 then it locks up > > With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the > password: > > login: dtd-lo3 > Password: > > My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better > for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any > suggestions? > > ********************************************************************** > Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office > Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center > dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School > *********************************************************************** ------------- SET TCP DEBUG ON to see Telnet Options negotiations blow by blow. The above has the indications of an Option your host wants but is not supported by MSK. LOG SESSION if you want us to have a look at it too (or give me a host name to try from my place). Another, related, thought it your host may require LF as a terminator rather than CR during the login process. Try ending lines in Control-J to see. Last thought is your host may not understand terminal type VT320 and it keeps asking for something different. This will show in the Options negotiations chatter. SET TCP TERM-TYPE is the way to say one thing and be another. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:25:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Control: cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Date: 1 Feb 1995 03:25:14 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3gnnia$7eg@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 11:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 17:58:22 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very annoying and if anyone knows a solution to this problem please email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post an answer here. Thnx. A. Webb From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 12:00:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.180059.84186@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 18:00:58 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since my last message didn't come out...I have to repost. I run kermit externally through minicom (a comm program for linux). Everytime after a transfer it hangs up. If anyone knows how to fix this either email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post it here. Thnx. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 12:49:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 04:49:22 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the DOS console?? If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:57:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for DG AOS??? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:57:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gob0v$rgp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Lauren P Kauffman wrote: >Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General >MV7800XP AOS operating system? > Yes, C-Kermit 5A(190). Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckd190.uue. This is a UUencoded AOS DUMPFILE. UUdecode it if you can ("uudecode" is not a standard part of AOS/VS, but there is an AOS/VS uudecode program included in the Kermit distribution as kermit/f/ckdeco.c). Get the resulting ckdker.pr file to your AOS/VS system and "undump" it; this gives you the AOS/VS kermit.pr executable plus all the various supporting files: ckermit.ini, ckcker.upd, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:00:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:00:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:00:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3gob7j$s0g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dick Dee wrote: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? > The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. Assuming you have version 3.13 or 3.14, please consult the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with it. There is a section called: TROUBLESHOOTING MS-DOS KERMIT SERIAL PORT AND MODEM PROBLEMS which contains all the information you need to get this working. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:04:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:04:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:11:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3gobqu$t3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, Mr. Calvin Rome wrote: >I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform >running SUNOS 4.1. > (Long description omitted...) Forget about script programming for a moment. Can you log in BY HAND? If not, given evidence like the following: > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > login: DD-3 then it locks up > login: dtd-lo3 > I would say that your host had suddenly been programmed to require a certain type of parity for incoming characters, most likely "even". Try telling MS-DOS Kermit to: set parity even (or "odd", "mark", or "space" if "even" doesn't do it) and most likely it will work. By the way, this is one of the most fundamental problems we encounter in data communications, and you could not have missed it if you had read the manual. - Frank P.S. There is no earthly reason why a host should *require* parity on incoming characters, so another approach would be to ask the system administrators to put it back the way it was before. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:19:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3gocat$mh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the >linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the >files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very >annoying... > Quoting from section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), "C-Kermit as an External Protocol", which applies to "pmcomm" but probably is also relevant to this question (I'd appreciate feedback on this so I can update the documentation): "pcomm" is a general-purpose terminal program that provides file transfer capabilities itself (X- and YMODEM variations) and the ability to call on external programs to do file transfers (ZMODEM and Kermit, for example). You can tell pcomm the command to send or receive a file with an external protocol: send receive ZMODEM sz rz Kermit kermit -s kermit -r pcomm runs external programs for file transfer by making stdin and stdout point to the modem port, and then exec-ing "/bin/sh -c xxx" (where xxx is the appropriate command). However, C-Kermit does not treat stdin and stdout as the communication device unless you instruct it: send receive Kermit kermit -l 0 -s kermit -l 0 -r The "-l 0" option means to use file descriptor 0 for the communication device. In general, any program can pass any open file descriptor to C-Kermit for the communication device in the "-l" command-line option. (End quote) From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 21:57:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!koala.uwec.edu!uwrf.edu!uwrf.edu!mn01 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> From: mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu Date: 1 Feb 95 15:57:17 -0600 Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls Nntp-Posting-Host: taz.acc.uwrf.edu Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps many of the other "typical" VT keys. Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: scan code \328 Verb: KP8 \KKP8 If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else in-between, I get the following: scan code \4424 Verb: uparr \Kuparr Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE or EDIT file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... If this is some standard PC-type keyboard thing, please forgive me. I'm not a pc person. Thanks in advance for any assistance. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Marlys A. Nelson System Manager, Systems Programmer, Academic Computing Network Manager, etc., etc. Univ. of WI - River Falls Internet: Marlys.A.Nelson@uwrf.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:52:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 31 Jan 1995 06:52:05 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33389 comp.protocols.ibm:3993 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1791 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: 1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. 2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. 3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. Solutions could be: a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given a need for a small RAM foot print... The kermit folks have any ideas? c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:37:38 GMT Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article Jim Nakamura wrote: | >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message | > | > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE | > Can't change speed to 14400 | As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt | to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which | you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to | agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. | Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the | connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what | the connection speed turns out to be. | Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should | generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, | or locked. | You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this | way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got | the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do | this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. | The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it | and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS | "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit | to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for | a longer explanation. Frank, many thanks. The error message went away after I followed your suggestion. I also took this opportunity to read pp. 60-61 of your fine manual which spends most of its time just sitting on my bookshelf (like all my books (-; ). By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. Do you know what's going on? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 22:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news From: Boyd Fjeldsted Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 1 Feb 1995 22:50:21 GMT Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-294.business.utah.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to download files from the remote host by means of the host's file download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but now also provides telnet services on port 23. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 03:33:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Message-Id: <1995Jan31.093303.39920@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 09:33:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Sven@OSLONETT (Sven Andreassen) writes: > Dear all. > > Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a > Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? > > I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to > the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers > actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two > different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- > driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. > Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). > > Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? > > Hope to hear from you. > > Sven Andreassen > [sven@oslonett.no] ------- It's not the method of reaching the board so much as having two or more protocol stacks of the same kind operating at once. Packets are delivered once, and hopefully (randomly...) to the right stack else trouble. We have repeatedly stressed in the Kermit documentation to use only one stack of a given kind over a board, with Kermit or any program. If you wish to try the multiplexers then it is at your risk and we can't lend a hand. Finally, I presume that "TCP/IP-32a" means Microsoft's stack, right? If so that is for Windows programs, not for DOS level programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 03:07:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:07:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >> >> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >> transfers. >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >> >> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >--------- > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) Any benchmarks ? Thanks, Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 21:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:15:02 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After obtaining the: > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\COMM\KRMT\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\COMM\KRMT\MSCUSTOM.INI... > Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. > Auto-upload and -download disabled. > Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. > Setting DOS Terminal modes > Smile! > CDL-AST> still indicated "patch level 0". Is the "patch level 0" an indication of the patch level of the base kermit.exe file I am running, or should it be an indication of the patch level following the installation of the patches contained in msr314.pch? I notice that if I use the: ver command, I still see "patch level 0", rather than "patch level 3" which I would expect. I realize that the kermit.exe file on disk will not change, but I would expect that after patches are installed, the version of kermit in memory would reflect the installed patches. Am I doing something wrong? Just curious ... TIA for any light that can be shed on this subject. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:02:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:02:46 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) writes: > Hi, > > I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: > > Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box > may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem > to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > > Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the > DOS console?? > > If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended > file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. ------------------- Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a familiar and managable form. We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do item on our wish list. If you are still interested then I suggest you contact Frank da Cruz and myself and we can discuss the technical and financial details off-line: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 2 04:03:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl6.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 20:03:06 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gplhq$on6@crl6.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com!barrett From: barrett@scr.slb.com (Mike Barrett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:15:21 UNDEFINED Organization: Schlumberger Cambridge Research Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to get it. Thanks Mike Barrett ----------------------+-------------------------------------- Mike Barrett | e-mail: barrett@cambridge.scr.slb.com Schlumberger Cambridge| Phone : 0223 325200 Research, PO Box 153, | FAX : 0223 327019 Cambridge, England. | ----------------------+-------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 2 Feb 1995 13:58:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqoeb$233@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted wrote: >After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to >download files from the remote host by means of the host's file >download menu? > If the remote host (service, BBS, etc) includes Kermit file transfer capability, then: in theory, yes. In practice, it depends on its Kermit implementation. Most BBS's either lack Kermit file transfer capability, or offer a nonfunctional or barely-functional one. >If so, what Kermit settings are required? > Try "set parity space". >An example of such a host >is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but >now also provides telnet services on port 23. > Such services are becoming increasingly common. Users of such services are encouraged to contact the administrators and urge them to install real Kermit software to execute the Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:02:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:02:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gqolb$2an@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Barrett wrote: >Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for >good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can >someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) >or tell me where to get it. > A Frequently Asked Question, and one which is answered in our FAQ. The answer is Yes. It is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It runs under Windows, in either full-screen mode or in a Window, it has good file transfer, and it does Tek graphics. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:58:06 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Barrett (barrett@scr.slb.com) wrote: : Hi. : Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good : file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either : give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to : get it. The standard distribution of MS-Kermit includes a PIF file to run under Windows, but it runs very slowly. You can speed it up by running in a full-screen DOS window with text-only display instead of graphics, but my 486/66 system can't quite keep up with compressed text at 14.4 kbps. The text-only display probably won't do Tek graphics, though I haven't tried that. Also, the first time through my MSCUSTOM.INI file, the system can't find COM4, but a manual TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI works. I suppose this is a timing problem in Windows. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:51:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 06:51:33 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>> >>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >>> >>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >>> transfers. >>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >>> >>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >>--------- >> No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >>fast as the others and much better in many respects. > > In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? > Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? > (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) > > Any benchmarks ? --------------- Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? If not please do. Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:13:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 2 Feb 1995 15:13:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gqsr3$85s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? > Just so it does not have the same name as "kermit". That way when build a new binary, it does not automatically overwrite a previous one, provided you had renamed the previous one to "kermit". >Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE >C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit >this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I >hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. > Please send me your .mykermrc file, and let me know exactly how you are invoking Kermit, and also remind me exactly which kind of UNIX this is on, which version, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 17:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!kan From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 17:36:36 GMT Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed of the modem. Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? Raymond Kan U of Toronto From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 18:40:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 18:40:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3gr8u5$rkf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca>, Raymond Kan wrote: >Hi, > > I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal >fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, >the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, >I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed >of the modem. > Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 >kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. I use CK 5A(190) at 115200 every day. So thoughts are that it is either a problem with your modem, or the com drivers you are using. Can you talk to the modem at 115200 with other packages? What version of OS/2 are you using? What Comm drivers are you using? > BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? I recommend P over m2zmodem. p205.zip is available from ftp.cdrom.com. P is free whereas m2zmodem costs money. P also works over networks whereas m2zmodem does not. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:12:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101239.40096@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:12:39 MDT References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp>, MoYun writes: > In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c > c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > >> Hi: >> >> I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be >> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the >> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. >> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. >> >> How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in >> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? >> > > > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw > graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. > What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? > > Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet > similar to Ms-windows should be done. ----------------- This appears to be possibly a machine configuration problem, not a Kermit one. One must be sure to protect video memory, segments A000-BFFF, so that nothing else uses that space. The display adapter must be able to do graphics work in using standard EGA, Herc mono, CGA modes as a default, or if you choose VGA or VESA then those higher resolution modes too. There is no special preparation needed outside of Kermit other than rational machine setup for normal use. To help further we need more information, such as the machine configuration and a sample LOG SESSION file (uuencoded for Mailing) to play back locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:18:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101814.40098@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:18:14 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: > I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or > MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message > "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications > programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? ------------- No, we don't. PCMCIA seems to be a very loose spec so the matchup between hardware and drivers is very questionable at best. If the modem and driver don't behave as a real UART to clients such as Kermit then it's not behaving properly. There is nothing much I can do about it, lacking that particular PCMCIA card, the laptop in which it is inserted, and the drivers for it. Kermit does work fine on at least one IBM Thinkpad because I setup that machine for a colleague. However, I have no laptop myself so please don't ask me questions about PCMCIA and its drivers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 05:00:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!hakozaki.karrn!kyu-cs!MoYun From: MoYun Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Organization: Falcuty of Engineering, Kyushu Univeristy Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> References: Reply-To: MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Nntp-Posting-Host: goro.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Ecom-Version: 3.01.09 (PC98/PCTCP) In-Reply-To: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp's message of Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > Hi: > > I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be > drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the > display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. > I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. > > How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in > Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet similar to Ms-windows should be done. Thank you in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) |~~~~~~~~~~~ Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 22:35:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 31 Jan 1995 22:35:30 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:48:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:48:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > > Installing patches... > > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep coming up: Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion about patching. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:55:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:55:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu>, Watson, John McClain wrote: >Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > What version of MS-DOS Kermit? Are you dialing manually or using a dialing script? Which dialing script? Note that we do not have a dialing script for the PPI V.34 modem, but we do have one for the PPI V.32bis model. The changes (if any are needed) should be straightforward. If anybody wants to send me a copy of the PPI V.34 command reference, I'll be glad to do any necessary adaptation. The same goes for all the other modem brands that recently came out with V.34 models, or, for that matter, any modem brands at all. The more manuals we have, the better support we can give. To attempt to answer the question: If you can use Kermit to dial the modem, but the modem does not make a successful connection, this is usually explained by the modem's configuration as to modulation, error correction, data compression, and the fallback procedures for each. In general, you want to configure your modem to start at the type and work its way down, so you get the best possible type of connection with the answering modem. It sounds like your modem is configured to refuse to connect if it does not negotiate a particular modulation or protocol. Or the same could be true of the modem on the answering end. Many other explanations are possible too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 18:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!dcsmith From: dcsmith@netcom.com (Dwayne C. Smith) Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:19:41 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? >Dick Dee >dee@wldelft.nl I'm using an a TDK PCMCIA modem in a ZEOS colornote and I don't have any trouble with it. If you've got the full distribution, you should have a KERMIT.BWR file that outlines known bugs and workarounds. -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / dcsmith@netcom.com a stately pleasure dome decree. / If these opinions were someone else's, Where Alph the sacred river ran / they'd express them instead of me... through caverns measureless to man / down to a sunless sea. / Samuel Taylor Coleridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 23:04:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 23:04:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 20:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ossi.com!news.fujitsu.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: CMS Kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:02:43 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there any hardware or software limitations that would cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:25:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:25:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3grt6k$4do@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Watson, John McClain wrote: >>Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >>says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > >This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know >how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. > CARRIER is a "call progress" message, not a call completion message. MS-DOS Kermit scripts such as PP14400.SCR ignore them (but print them on the screen so the user can see what's going on). They do no harm at all, and in fact Kermit enables them on purpose (ATW1). The call completion message would be CONNECT . The high-speed MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts look for "CONNECT" and ignore the , thus keeping the interface speed fixed. And by the way, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version, released just a couple weeks ago) supports 28800 as an interface speed, even though it should rarely be necessary to use it (remember: when using high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems, your interface speed should be higher than the connection speed to allow compression to do its stuff). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:32:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:32:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3grtiv$51p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Are there any hardware or software limitations that would >cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set >at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > Yes. The packet length is determined as follows: 1. The file receiver tells the file sender the longest packet it is prepared to receive. There is a default, and then there is a command to let the user change the default. The default is normally 94, and the command is normally "set receive packet-length". 2. The file sender has a maximum size that it can send. The size that is actually used by the sender is the smaller of its own maximum and the declared maximum of the receiver. In the case of IBM mainframe Kermit, the maximum length it can send generally depends on the communication method. If it is going through a 3270 protocol converter such as a Series/1 or 7171, the maximum length packet is somewhere around the 3270 screen size, e.g. 24 x 80 = 1920, give or take a few bytes. This is a limitation of the 3270 emulation box and/or software, and has nothing to do with Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 08:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 08:42:15 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem transfers. Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. Thanks, -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 02:43:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: kheesoon@einstein.technet.sg (Maverick Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: Thu, 02 Feb 95 10:43:11 PST Organization: CISCO Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Reply-To: kheesoon@technet.sg Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, everyone Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare currently. Hope to hear from everone soon ! thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 16:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!hal.hahnemann.edu!mcneal From: mcneal@hal.hahnemann.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Access of previous articles Date: 31 Jan 95 21:53:39 EST Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I access earlier articles of this news group? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 21:29:27 MDT References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > > -Curtiss --------- Maximum packet size is a negotiated property, negotiated to the largest common value. 1915 bytes is a magic limit on CMS Kermit, and it's also more than adequate to overcome packet header overhead. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:02:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:02:38 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. [...] >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. Although I don't see why one would want to use [XYZ]modem transfers when both ends have a proper Kermit, it possible to have rzsz.exe perform your file transfers for you. Its been a long while since I did such a thing, but I used to connect to a host that only supported Zmodem transfers with an older version of MS-Kermit, so it is possible, although I don't recall using anything so nice and packaged as the "rz" macro of C-Kermit (what I did was more like: start remote Zmodem transfer, suspend MS-Kermit, fire-up rzsz, resume MS-Kermit). I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 16:07:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!citicorp.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:07:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 02.Feb.1995 > Select from the following transfer protocols: > > T - TYPE file to your screen > C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture > A - ASCII only, no Control Codes > X - XMODEM > O - XMODEM-1k > Y - YMODEM (Batch) > G - YMODEM-g (Batch) > S - SEAlink > K - KERMIT > W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) > Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) > > Choose one (Q to Quit): > --------- > That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first > and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at > the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so > the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite > the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet > with no modems involved. This list looks like the venerable TBBS, which is a pretty darned sturdy BBS, and has one of the fastest internal Kermit transfers of internal Kermits in BBS's. (I give TBBS great credit for keeping various transfer protocols like ASCII with DC2/DC4 capture, variant with no control codes, two variants of Kermit, and a sharp version of Zmodem which is also speedy). But I agree - the Kermit-Lite would provide *much much* better performance than their internal variaties. The Kermit's internal to TBBS are, unfortunately, single-file transfer protocols, which is why multiple file transfers failed. I'm surprised the TBBS authors haven't upgraded, but perhaps they never got the "nudge". Now that more TBBS' are getting on the Internet, at least in small doses, the authors might consider implimenting this. I would suggest that TBBS users/sysops mention this to the TBBS people. When I start calling local BBS's again (if I do :-> ) I will start attempting to get Kermit-Lite installed on their systems, if for no other reason but for myself :-) It's not difficult to bring a new product into your local BBS community (I brought BlueWave down from college, convinced local sysops that it was a good thing) - you just have to be persistant and truly believe in the product that you're promoting. > I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look > at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. > It does "the whole thing." Agreed :-) > Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. > Joe D. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 13:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.195111.40191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 19:51:11 MDT References: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu writes: > I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, > Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. > > I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have > encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct > however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. > > I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they > don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps > many of the other "typical" VT keys. > > Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY > on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: > > scan code \328 > Verb: KP8 \KKP8 > > If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else > in-between, I get the following: > > scan code \4424 > Verb: uparr \Kuparr > > Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or > right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the > initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. > This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the > arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions > but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. > > The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function > keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. > > The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE >or EDIT > file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and > then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing > those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... ---------------- I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one. You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:52:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Access of previous articles Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:52:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3gtjg7$9cs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu>, wrote: >How can I access earlier articles of this news group? > We haven't settled on a permanent archiving scheme yet, and we're not sure that we ever will, since the amount of material will only keep growing. However, for the moment, and with no guarantee that it will be there forever, or that it will not change location, or that it won't be busted up into smaller pieces, etc, you can find the archive at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:57:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:57:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3gtjpk$9o6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg>, Maverick Ong wrote: >Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. >I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare >currently. > Then you should read the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Entire chapters are devoted to teaching you how to use the script programming language. You can order these books in Singapore by calling +65 220-3684. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:55:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 21:55:55 MDT References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted writes: > After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to > download files from the remote host by means of the host's file > download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, > is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host > (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host > is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but > now also provides telnet services on port 23. ---------------- Looks rather like a run of the mill telco style BBS but hooked to the Internet, sigh. Here is what their blurbs say on the matter: -------- August 30, 1994 A full internet connection with this BBS is not yet available. There will be a message in this area when the approriate hardware has been installed and tested. To download files from this BBS it is necessary to either call via modem or to access the files through the annonymous ftp, or the annonymous ftp sections of gopher or mosaic (graphical gopher). For gopher or mosaic, the annonymous ftp line appears together with the BBS under "5. Access Our Other Information Services" Directories similar to the BBS ones appear for ftp. For example the ftp /economy contains the same files as the BBS Directory containing Monthly Retail Trade, Monthly Wholesale Trade Sales & Inventories, and Monthly Manufacturers & Trade Inventories -More- -------- But if we keep going, we see the following: -------- Select from the following transfer protocols: T - TYPE file to your screen C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture A - ASCII only, no Control Codes X - XMODEM O - XMODEM-1k Y - YMODEM (Batch) G - YMODEM-g (Batch) S - SEAlink K - KERMIT W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) Choose one (Q to Quit): --------- That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet with no modems involved. I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. It does "the whole thing." Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:03:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 20:03:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gu26f$3j4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note that the hardware limits on buffer size depend upon the type of connection. Kermit recognizes those limits, but imposes them only when it comes time to do a transfer. Thus, you can set the packet size to any number you want, up to 9K, but Kermit-370 negotiates the actual packet size according to its understanding of the hardware. In fact, its understanding is not complete, since it is possible to set up a 7171 terminal type with a large screen size, but Kermit doesn't know that and isn't equipped to tell when the screen buffer would be bigger than 1920 anyhow. In any case, 1920 is plenty big enough for most purposes. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 21:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:05:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:04:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 3 Feb 1995 21:04:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit News #6, our printed-on-paper newsletter / journal, will be going to press any day now. Printing and mailing should take some weeks. In the meantime, if you would like to be added to the subscriber list (it's free), please send your name and complete postal address to: knews@columbia.edu If you received previous issues, you are already subscribed. If you did not, but you placed an order with us since June 1993, you are already subscribed. If your address has changed since June 1993, please send your old address and new address so we can update our mailing list. To minimize work and expense at our end, please try to make your postal address conform to standard formats. For example, USA addresses should end with: City XX nnnnn where XX is the uppercase 2-letter abbreviation of your state or territory, such as NY for New York, or GU for Guam, and nnnnn is your 5- or 9-digit ZIP code (9-digit preferred, 5-digit required). According to this year's USPS ZIP code directory, there should be no comma between the city and the state. Addresses in Canada should end with: City XX lnl nln CANADA where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Addresses in other countries should include the (English) country name on the last line, and the postal code (if any) including country prefix (if any) on the line preceding, e.g. D-33100 Paderborn GERMANY N-0260 Oslo NORWAY I-20090 Assago (MI) ITALY NL-1081 HV Amsterdam NETHERLANDS New Delhi 110 017 INDIA Rechovot 76300 ISRAEL and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 1/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:13:44 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtkno$62h$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " Sorry, I have to split it up in two entries, the editor can only accept 25 lines. I'm using CI$ !!! We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a VAX VMS Kermit [C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92] OpenVMS VAX (server) Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem with bad line quality results in the following error Packet log of sending Kermit: ***************************************************************** ************************ Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(WOGAPIYU '^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK ................. Please see entry "Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2" ( Sorry!!) -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 17:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!chyde.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 17:58:29 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland Lines: 34 Approved: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:8782 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1831 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat 28-Jan-95: Two events made it necessary to revisit my collection of MSKermit material. The introduction of the new MSKermit version 3.14 from the Columbia University in the City of New York, and the decision of the Finnish computer centres to impose an 8-bit Unix standard with upper ascii Finnish characters. I have consequently released : 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. : The following material as been added. FINNCHAR.TXT Info about 8-bit Finnish charset KERM8BIT.INI VT102 for mskermit 3.14+ 8-bits FINNISH.CMD Use 7-bit Finnish characters LATIN1.CMD Use 8-bit international chars MIXED.CMD Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I have also updated the following scripts which were no longer up to date with the MSKermit program upgrades. GETBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC GETTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC PUTBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC PUTTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC If you need the actual MSKermit program, due to distribution policies the place to go for it is kermit.columbia.edu. Look for /kermit/archives/msvibm.zip. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:18:25 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " This is the second half of the message " Kermit and bad line conditions " ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M Spack: ^A$ GL:^M Rpack: ^A# Y>^M The login failure is forced by receiving Kermit, because the login packet was not received by the receivers side The Remote login packet is supported by both Kermits, the login Username and password is correct Behaviour of sending Kermit is not correct Please is there any solution or explanation of this ?? And, once again, sorry for any inconvenience for splitting up in two messages, but it is very hard to type in all the control characters and other stuff with the keybord. -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 12:32:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 2 Feb 1995 05:32:22 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Problem: nCan't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX and the version on NYX is, I think, the current version. Either way it is 12 bad checksums then halt. ASCII files transfer in the expected way. Kermit is started with the -i switch for binary transfers. I use the command 'send xxxyyy.exe' to initiate the process. H My suspicion is that there is either some kind of v.34 compatibility issue or a config thing at the input of the HP. But I don't know... Thanks....Francis Fisher From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 05:44:28 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3gv47s$1nc@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Nntp-Posting-Host: heiby.pr.mcs.net Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called something like "XSOL.SYS". Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:32:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 07:32:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gvai0$kdc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) >for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there >are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called >something like "XSOL.SYS". > XALL.SYS >Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. No, C-Kermit 5A(190) works fine with 8 port Digiboards. Some of the older drivers had problems. So if you have a problem, connect to the digiboard bbs or ftp site and get the latest OS/2 drivers. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:59:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:59:00 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac repeatedly. The Claris Kermit CTB Tool 1.0 supports either long packets or sliding windows but not both simultaneously. VersatermPro has an internal Kermit that does not do windows. Neither does the public-domain Kermit Tool GH 1.2 or the internal Kermit in ZTerm 1.0b3. Are there better CTB Tools available, either public-domain or commercial? Herb Howe howe@usit.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:06:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.100650.321@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 10:06:50 -0400 References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? >> > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer > files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, > then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like > OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. > > - Frank I've successfully used two Kermits running on two serial ports at once, once dwnloading, and the other one interactively pretty heavily. If you have a decent 486/33mhz it should fly jerkily pretty well. set the properties to allow timeslicing or background execution. Now, to say it's a server will allow everyone to access your machine. How about a WEB page? Or a BBS? or a elcheapo 286 dedicated to handing out the stuff, a few hundered bucks would suffice. just my unasked for 2cents worth. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:36:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 2 Feb 95 14:36:59 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. #2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and drop carrier :( Please help me. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:22:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Date: 4 Feb 95 02:22:22 -0500 Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like this: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this from the manual. -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 03:17:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 3 Feb 1995 03:17:22 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 > >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > [poster found that patch file didn't work] The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:12:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!nstn.ns.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 05:12:58 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line with MS-Kermit (3.14) ---------- ------------ PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER SERVER | | via command DIAL ----------- ------------------- (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) What is setup for PC SERVER for answering and execute "get" and "put" from caller? (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:53:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:53:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3h0bf7$ncs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu>, Francis Fisher wrote: > >Problem: Can't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no >trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from >my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds >from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the >new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops >quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' > Try "set parity space". Probably you are going through a terminal server or somesuch that is not passing 8 bits through. This question seems to come up at least once a week, so I'd better add it to the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/FAQ.TXT >One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX > The current version is 5A(190). It might help too, since it knows a lot more about HP-UX than the six-year-old version does that you are using. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:02:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net>, Herb Howe wrote: >According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the >transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long >packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm >programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are >available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? > >The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu >does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac >repeatedly. > Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope the situation will change in the future. Meanwhile, if you are not using version 0.991(190), then you might want to give it a try. It cures the problem (bomb) with downloading that came up under Mac OS 7.1. But of course, it still has other problems. The easiest way to get the files needed for the current Mac Kermit incarnation is through the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:07:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:07:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, Armand Zakarian wrote: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >>After obtaining the: >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >[poster found that patch file didn't work] >The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site >as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch >command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The >solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. > "Problem" is in the eye of the beholder. It's a text file, and it is stored in the normal text format for the UNIX system on which you found it. But you should not be concerned with what the format is; you only need to know it is a text file, and therefore transfer it in text mode. Then it will arrive on your PC in the correct format and it will work as advertised. It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:15:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:15:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3h0cni$osi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) > This is thoroughly explained in two chapters, 10 and 11, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", also available in French: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. Note: the French edition can also be ordered from Columbia University. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ for more information, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Briefly, you have to put the answering modem in answer mode. The PC that is connected to the answering modem is either running Kermit in server mode, or, for a LIMITED "host mode" capability, you can redirect its console to the COM port via CTTY COMx. In the former case, you have to send Kermit packets (SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc). In the latter case, you can type DOS commands, but with caution -- the hazards of CTTY are explained in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, James Harvey wrote: >I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >this: > >$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call > I think that should be: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) >Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit >command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. >I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit >prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer >and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this >from the manual. > Pages 316 and 323. It's the "-S" option (uppercase), for "Stay": $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" "-S" = number-to-call I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following should work: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:59:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:59:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3h0f9g$rm1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect >and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. > How? >The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is >it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up >instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. > Could you please be more specific about exactly which versions of Kermit you have on each end, and the exact nature of the connection? What kinds of modems, etc? If, indeed, you told one (or both) Kermit(s) to SET PARITY EVEN, then the most likely problem is a lack of effective flow control in the uploading direction. The current version of Kermit for Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190), supports hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control, and that's what you should tell Kermit to use, and you should also configure your modem to use it to. After that, you're at the mercy of whatever is on the other end of the connection -- modem, terminal server, host, etc. If any of these are misconfigured as to flow control, etc, you will probably need to crank the packet length down to the largest size that will squeeze through. Also, you might try SET PARITY SPACE rather than SET PARITY EVEN, since an actual requirement for even parity is increasingly rare these days, and those parity bits might actually be causing trouble. >#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with >uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the >non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and >drop carrier :( Please help me. > I'll need more details about the connection and the software versions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:38:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kennethb From: kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:38:36 MDT Organization: The Ken Brush College Fund Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... Ok but it does vt320 emulation. only when I change it to say this: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... will it do ANSI emulation. Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is by doing this: MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 MS-Kermit> c MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi MS-Kermit> c and boom I have ansi emulation again. So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? -Ken- "You can't change the world But you can change the facts And when you change the facts You change points of view If you change points of view You may change a vote And when you change a vote You may change the world" -Depeche Mode From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 18:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 4 Feb 1995 18:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3h0gqg$d2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, OpenVMS VAX (server). > The current versions are 3.14 and 5A(190), respectively. > Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem > with bad line quality results in the following error. > Packet log of sending Kermit: > > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(xxxxxx '^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > ----------> The received packet above is not an ACK to the login > packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) > Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet > Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M > Unfortunately, this can happen. The packet sequence number resets to zero after each "transaction". The I-Y sequence is considered a transaction, and the REMOTE LOGIN packet starts another transaction. So in a case like yours, in which the ACK to the I packet is transmitted more than once (due to timeouts or checksum failures) and the second or subsequent ACK is delayed, and arrives after the G packet is sent, it can indeed be misinterpreted as the ACK to the G packet. But no harm is done, because any resulting "packet skew" will be caught as the transaction proceeds. > Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M > Spack: ^A$ GL:^M > Rpack: ^A# Y>^M > The standard C-Kermit server does not support the REMOTE LOGIN feature. That is, the server will not log you in to VMS, and it does not even recognize the REMOTE LOGIN packet. I must say I am somewhat mystified at the "Login failure" message above, because the response should have been: Unimplemented REMOTE command So I think somebody must have made some local changes to your version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:53:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:53:54 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > Ok but it does vt320 emulation. No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. Joe D. > only when I change it to say this: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > will it do ANSI emulation. > Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is > by doing this: > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 > MS-Kermit> c > > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi > MS-Kermit> c > and boom I have ansi emulation again. > So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? > Anyone? Anyone? > Bueller? From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 06:28:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: <1995Feb4.122835.40555@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 12:28:35 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do > you set this PC for "host"?) ----------- On the server side tell the modem to autoanswer. Set the port to the proper COMx and speed etc within Kermit. Tell Kermit to be a server. That's it. Read more about it in the documentation, particularly the user's manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK HELP screens. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Date: 4 Feb 1995 21:20:07 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try to dial, I get this message. Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 Unable to set speed at 28800 Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!sinetnews!hakata!genkai!genkai!h79055a From: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Yun Mo) Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? In-Reply-To: MoYun's message of Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: news@genkai.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp Organization: Computer Center, Kyushu University References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:43:16 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The probelm has been solved by setting GDC CLOCK for the PC to 2.5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) | Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: please help Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:13:30 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here goes... Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Thanks in advance Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 13:53:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Message-Id: <1995Feb4.195358.40611@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 19:53:58 MDT References: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble > configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem > scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed > into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try > to dial, I get this message. > Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 > Unable to set speed at 28800 > > Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this > problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! ------------ 1. If you read the modem's manual again I think you will discover that it recommends running the comms program to modem part at about 4 times the telco signaling speed. So try SET SP 57600 or even 115200 and let the modem lock the computer interface at that speed. 2. Please do read the modem information provided in the MSK distribution set so you can pick up as many useful hints as possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:13:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:13:04 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h092g$kum@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: :In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, :I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and :figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 05:21:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!georged From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] How do I run a script? Date: 5 Feb 1995 05:21:37 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it does ?) Thank you. ============================================================================= TTTTTTTTTTTTT Temple University Press TTTTTTTTTTTTT George Dimitoglou TTTTT Business Dept. TTTTT TTTTT U.S.B Rm. 305 | E-mail: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu TTTTT Broad & Oxford Sts., | tempress@astro.osis.temple.edu TTTTT Philadelphia, | Tel : (215)204-8787 TTTTT Pa 19121 | Fax : (215)204-4719 ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: >> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> >>>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>>> > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. > Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) It looks like I will need to pay $20.00 per box if I go with zmodem. Any better ideas ? This is in Unixware (SVR4.2) enviromment. Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:34:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with transmit under MSK 3.14 Date: 2 Feb 1995 02:04:19 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3go9lr$sdu@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MSK 3.14 patch level 3 with the BNU 1.70 FOSSIL under Novell DOS 7 (with update 10 applied). When doing a transmit of a single line file to the Unixware machine here, my machine (with a CGA video card) went into 40 column mode. Doing a push then mode co80 fixed things. Anyone else experienced this? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 03:27:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] How do I run a script? Message-Id: <1995Feb5.092703.40638@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 09:27:03 MDT References: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) writes: > > Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. > Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it > does ?) --------------- MS-DOS Kermit (please do explain your context, thanks): TAKE filename to read commands from that file SET TAKE ECHO ON to see commands executed HELP to see name of the User's Manual Joe D. -8-223-5082 > arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au --------------- The remote host echoed something like ESC [ m to you, and while doing script commands video displaying is accomplished by DOS. ANSI.SYS is crippled and puts you into 40 column mode (see the docs on ANSI.SYS in your DOS books). Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 08:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 5 Feb 1995 08:29:37 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h229h$15q@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> kheesoon@technet.sg writes: :Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. The best way is to learn by example together with the Kermit book. I am confident that Frank will give you the pointer to the latter. Here is one pointer to the former. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 06:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: please help Message-Id: <1995Feb5.124006.40644@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 12:40:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich writes: > I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here > goes... Correct, not the appropriate News group. > Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it > on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). > > Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Lessee now. You want others to do your thinking and lead you by the hand, and probably take the flak if you are unhappy. What a deal! May I make a humble suggestion of trying the items of interest to you and forming opinions based on your particular circumstances. Pointers on how to get started are sprinkled through the traffic in this group. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 10:28:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:03:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb5.162807.40662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 16:28:07 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: >> >> No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit >> device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the >> world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. >> I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. >> Joe D. > > Ok then how do I change from a 7-bit to an 8-bit display? > And how come you can type set term typ ansi and have it in 7-bit mode if it > doesn't handle ANSI color? ----------- Let's separate these items. SET DISPLAY or SET TERM BYTESIZE 7 or 8 Color has nothing to do with 7 or 8 it comms channels. Color is set by CSI 30's and/or 40's m, or in 7-bit form ESC [ 30's and/or 40's m. The above are in the user's manual and the distribution docs. If the remote host is sending material in 8-bit form to a client which is not 8-bit compatible (and VT100's are 7-bit devices) then the high bit is lost and confusion will result. I wish to emphasize that VMS knows nothing about "ANSI" terminal kinds, so please use a kind it does recognize such as the handy VT320 which is an 8-bit terminal kind too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:42:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!nh From: nh@lem.ee.ethz.ch (Norbert Hanke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 6 Feb 1995 08:42:00 GMT Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3h4nco$ec7@elna.ethz.ch> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opak-etz.ethz.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... > >It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. > >- Frank That's one reason to use kermit for file transfer ... :-) -- Norbert Hanke Power Electronics Lab, ETH Zurich, Switzerland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:27:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 11:56:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.102932.115562@daniel> Date: 6 Feb 95 10:29:32 ETST References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports > that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, > the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is > transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end > with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and > therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends > with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > There's one other way for this to happen -- if you don't have the fixed release of 3.14 from January 18th, but instead have the initial "final" release, the patch files won't work because it's the wrong version. I managed to ftp the new version, and then forgot to actually install it, and later spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why the patch files wouldn't work. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 15:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:28:59 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:34:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 11:34:32 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >------------------- > Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >familiar and managable form. All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR can find a cheaper home. > We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >item on our wish list. I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit server and a native mail system at the host side. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:19:57 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: tma@encore.com's message of Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanh Ma: I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) Short answer: if you don't charge for kermit, you don't have to pay for it. Complicating factors: if you're in a position to pay them for it, it's a good idea to buy what you want from Columbia University (this has to do with the long-term viability of kermit). And then there's support... -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:43:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^J...^M...|kermit Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:43:48 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 17 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to figure out how to get C-Kermit in connection mode to distinguish between a control J and a control M when feeding it from a pipe. What I want is for a control J to pass through unaltered, and a control M to pass through unaltered -- this works fine if kermit is talking directly to the controlling tty, but if I try and filter the input to kermit things don't work so well. I'm preceeding the call to the filter and kermit with `stty -echo raw`. Thanks. -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:38:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!Rezonet.net!news From: Andrew Morrow Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 6 Feb 1995 17:38:01 GMT Organization: MixNet Organization Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.RezoNet.NET> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrewm41.dataradio.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > Addresses in Canada should end with: > > City XX lnl nln > CANADA > > where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for > Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the > six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a classification name as part of the abbreviation. If you get a subscription with QC will your software choke, or will you just pass it on to the Canadian postal service which fortunately can handle both abbreviations? Andrew. _____________________________________________________________________ Andrew Morrow Dataradio Inc. ((( o ))) Director, Software Development Montreal, Quebec ___|_ voice:+1 514 737-0020 |_____| email: amorrow@dataradio.com fax: +1 514 737-7883 From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!newsham From: newsham@hookomo.aloha.net (Timothy Newsham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 6 Feb 1995 21:17:44 GMT Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hookomo.aloha.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, This question is reguarding C-Kermit scripting not the kermit protocol. Is this the proper place? I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so with the current values I'm using. Since I quit if the wait fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending a shutdown command over the serial line). Please cc: me a copy of any posted responses since I dont follow this group. Tim N. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!source.asset.com!source.asset.com!not-for-mail From: weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 6 Feb 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 530tr0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >| >on other comm programs. > >> Random characters at the current cursor position? > Yes. About a character or two every half minute. >> Random characters at some other position? > No. >> Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that >> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? > Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". >> Could you please define "leaking"? > "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at > random intervals at the cursor screen). >> Are you using hardware flow control? > Yes. >-- >jzero@netcom.com Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin J. Weise weisek@source.asset.com COLSA Corporation Voice - (205) 922-1512 ext. 2115 6726 Odyssey Drive FAX - (205) 971-0002 Huntsville, AL 35806 {Standard Disclaimers about my opinions & my employer's opinions} {... which are in conflict often enough} ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Admire those who seek the truth; avoid those who find it." Marcel Proust From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 07:49:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 95 13:49:31 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >>------------------- >> Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. > > I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used > with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls > in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too > much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears > to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size > is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and > login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of > this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME > attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece which does not attract much attention by itself. >> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>familiar and managable form. > > All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR > can find a cheaper home. So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. >> We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >>item on our wish list. > > I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is > a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming a parts supplier for free. Joe D. > form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any > host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to > transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit > server and a native mail system at the host side. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 02:54:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!yxw11570 From: yxw11570@Bayou.UH.EDU (Y. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 02:54:37 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bayou.uh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it hang up. What's wrong? I can use the same AT command in other communication program, why I can't use it here? How can I solve this problem? Please help. Thanks for any information. Ye From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 06:37:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!sacsa3.mp.usbr.gov!fwssun1.irm.r6.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!not-for-mail From: cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 06:37:12 -0000 Organization: USFWS Forensic Laboratory, Ashland, OR USA Lines: 4 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Summary: Data transfer from Nicolet IR Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to obtain the data n the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system perating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available Bob Cox From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 03:29:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: interesting from OMEN Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:29:20 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.78 with YES 0.16.B0129 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:10:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22790 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script to load password? Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:10:38 GMT Organization: Retupmoc Nuf' Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dhuguet.async.vt.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it with input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't connect right. It looks like it reads the password correctly, but then when it submits it to the password authentication server, I always get error messages. I am thinking that perhaps it is typing it in all caps or something that would make it unreadable to the server. I would appreciate it if anyone out there who knows how to do kermit scripts at all could look at this script and tell me what I need to put in my "mypass.ker" script for it to work. Thanks a lot. here is the script that calls "mypass.ker": :GETPSWD if INPATH mypass.ker goto PASSFILE echo echo {Please enter your password now (the one for Personal ID "\m(NWAPersonalID)"} askq Passwd { and IP Address "\m(NWTIPAddr)"), or "quit" to give up: \7} if EQUAL x x\m(Passwd) goto GETPSWD if NOT EQUAL xquit x\m(Passwd) goto END ErrMsg {User entered "quit" in response to password prompt.} Open Write UserQuit.FLG Write File "User Canceled" Close Write set errorlevel 6 goto END :PASSFILE ProgMsg {Loading password with MYPASS.KER...} take mypass.ker END thank you in advance. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:55:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:55:10 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose not support tn3270. Is this true? If it is, anybody who have made it work? Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? FYI, I use 'tn3270 uicmvsa.aiss.uiuc.edu' to access Illinet online. I will extremely appriciate it if you find a way to use Kermit instead of tn3270. Thanx Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:58:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 00:58:54 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: martha.utcc.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I run kermit, a warning showed up: $kermit Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x ... I recently noticed the Warning line when I added .kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: set send pac 9024 set blo 3 set win 31 I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still keep my own .kermrc? Thank you much. --- rsk 02.06.95 -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:59:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 05:59:23 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. thanks -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:39:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:39:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h7t65$dan@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Nackil Sung wrote: >I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed >and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of >using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose >not support tn3270. Is this true? > True. >If it is, anybody who have made it work? >Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? > Yes. In the meantime, you can use a separate tn3270 program on your PC, or you can access the mainframe through a 3270 emulator -- a special- purpose box such as an IBM 7171, a terminal server that has 3270 emulation built in, or by telnet'ing from Kermit to (say) a UNIX system and using tn3270 from there to the mainframe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:43:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:43:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3h7teq$dh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu>, Y. Wang wrote: >I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I >use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of >legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone >number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, >retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it >hang up. What's wrong? > The default port is COM1. If your modem is on a different port, then you'll have to tell Kermit to "set port 2" (or whatever). You also have to tell Kermit to use a speed that the modem can understand. For example, if I have my speed set to 57600, my Hayes 2400 will not respond to AT commands. Please read the section on troubleshooting DIAL commands in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There are a surprising number of things that can go wrong. If that doesn't help, send a more detailed description of the problem (what kind of modem you have, what XXXXX is, etc) to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:48:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h7to9$dol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: >When I run kermit, a warning showed up: > $kermit > Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x > ... >I recently noticed the Warning line when I added >.kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: > >set send pac 9024 >set blo 3 >set win 31 > >I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced >anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if >the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to >my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still >keep my own .kermrc? > Each line in a UNIX text file, including the final line, is supposed to be terminated by a linefeed character. The message means that the final line in your .kermrc file does not end with a linefeed. Kermit still reads and executes the final line, however, at least if it is a valid Kermit command. Not all other programs will necessarily be so forgiving, so you should get the file back into EMACS and put a linefeed at the end (ESC >, then press Enter or return, then save the file). - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:51:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:51:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h7tsh$dsm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com>, Dwight Hugget wrote: >is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? >anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. > Some macros are left as "exercises for the reader". Try this: define myredial redial, while fail { redial, sleep 30 } Embellish as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:56:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h7u5l$e5p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, wrote: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to > obtain the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the > Nicolet operating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version > available? > From the Kermit Digest, V20 #1, 25 Aug 94. I don't know if FTIR is the same as any of the computers listed below, but if it is, you've got your Kermit program: Date: 2 July 1994 From: Peter McClintock Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series (LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12). Although it provides a relatively simple implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many enthusiasts for these ancient machines. The main usage in practice is likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe, workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting packages. But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis. To get started there is a choice of two options - (a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the instructions, all on the Nicolet. (The source code is in kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/c/nic*.*.) (b) Ask me for a copy of the binary. This can be supplied on paper tape; alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored. For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return). Please make cheques payable to "University of Lancaster". Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on which they are to be used. Mailing address for disks: P V E McClintock, School of Physics and Materials, University of Lancaster, LANCASTER LA1 4YB, UK. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 7 Feb 1995 08:56:15 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h7u5v$9d@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chuck Forsberg at Omen had some legitimate beefs, I think, but after following the debate ad nauseum last year in comp.dcom.modems, I found myself having less and less sympathy for his position. Mr. Forsberg ranted for months that there was a conspiracy at Columbia to besmirch the good name of ZMODEM. Eventually I read the Kermit News article and didn't see it that way. In the end, I concluded that the best ZMODEM implementation is slightly faster than the best KERMIT implementation, at least some of the time. For me, the speed difference was insignificant compared to the price difference and the support difference. Granted, the latter was speculation on my part. I read Frank's books and compared his c.d.m postings to Chuck's and decided it would be no contest. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 17:20:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 7 Feb 1995 17:20:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3h8a43$3m5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net>, Timothy Newsham wrote: >I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, >writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program >needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is >the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that >the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so >with the current values I'm using. > It depends on "sizeof int" in the C compiler that generated your version of C-Kermit. The INPUT timeout is a signed integer, so the maximum value would be two raised to the 'th power, minus 1. So for 16-bit integers, it would be 65535 seconds, which is indeed only about 76% of a day. For 32-bit integers, of course, the maximum timeout would be way bigger. >Since I quit if the wait >fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the >wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, >otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending >a shutdown command over the serial line). > There's always a way. For example, you could simply make a loop that executes infinitely, and waits for an hour, or 12 hours, or whatever, until the input arrives. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 7 Feb 1995 10:10:09 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > > Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece >which does not attract much attention by itself. Yes, but it is the piece that, at the moment, can't be replaced. Worse, it ties us to a peculiar piece of software at the unix host side since we are running our own hub instead of using the attmail service. This in turn ties us to a particular version of unix. >>> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>>familiar and managable form. >> >> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR >> can find a cheaper home. > > So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. Yes, that's what people buy now, but they don't discard the older machines, they just get passed down to someone else who still needs email access. >> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is >> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the > > I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >a parts supplier for free. I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. The critical points to making it usable are that the end points appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled calls in the background as an option. But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 04:05:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script to load password? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.100544.40871@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 10:05:44 MDT References: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) writes: > I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" > which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it > with > input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:37:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:57:55 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 Summary: V3.14 Disconnect sessions X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 01:06:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:06:10 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Bishop says: |Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the |kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It |surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting |facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete |with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in |as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file |knewstru.zip (in binary mode). I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style is--um--bizzare, to say the least. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 18:14:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cablew.com!news From: brewer@us.net (Scott Carpenter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and NT Date: 7 Feb 1995 18:14:44 GMT Organization: Carpenter Consulting Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 146.135.61.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been given the job of porting all of our applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I can't get the telnet function to work. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 20:49:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 7 Feb 1995 15:49:46 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one switches back to the session. So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on whenever I switch a session? Are these even possible? Skimming through `The Book' I couldn't find an answer. Now, it's entirely possible that I missed something (wouldn't be the first time). So, if it is covered in the documentation, could someone please tell me the relevant page numbers at least. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 03:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and NT Date: 8 Feb 1995 03:50:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3h9f1t$4gu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com>, Scott Carpenter wrote: >I have just been given the job of porting all of our >applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I >need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to >another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over >the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I >can't get the telnet function to work. Any >suggestions? > OS/2 C-Kermit does not work with NT 3.5 in any mode. NEtwork connections ae absolutely out of the question since they are not part of the base OS/2 functionality and were not replicated by Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:55:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135535.40928@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:55:35 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >>> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >>> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. >> I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >>a parts supplier for free. > > I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such > a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it > fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything > else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable > system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware > forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For > example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup > readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. > The critical points to making it usable are that the end points > appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, > and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled > calls in the background as an option. > > But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. ---------------- I think the time passed in the early 70's when Unix grew up, even though there is a modern resurgence this year as "service providers" appear in every other garage to guide folks to the ISH. There is always a need for someone(s) to make working systems from components. However, the Kermit designers may not be interested in spending their own time and effort in such work (they too, like everyone, have plans and goals). Hence a contractural arrangement would be needed to create the group to do the special job. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:59:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:59:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a > UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in > after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to > prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. ---------------- It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 04:16:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb7.231615.12294@ivax> Date: 7 Feb 95 23:16:15 -0500 References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, > James Harvey wrote: >>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >>this: >> >>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call >> > I think that should be: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in > quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) You're right of course. I had overlooked the doublequotes, which caused the command to work as long as there was an exit command in the command file. When I tried to take it out, I would get a command syntax error (correctly because of the missing filespec argument to the unquoted -Y option which was now really a -y option). I should have mentioned that, but I thought it was unrelated (yes, I should know better :) [snip] > > I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a > command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this > should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the > command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following > should work: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call Yes, this works perfectly. Thanks! P.S.: Nice work on 5A(190). I like the bugfix for flow control on the console (edit 061 to ckvtio.c). Now I can toss my last patch! (well, except for our wacky custom modem-dialer code) -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. I spilt spot remover on my dog and now he's gone. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 23:10:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Message-Id: Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 23:10:34 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, Andrew Morrow wrote: >> Addresses in Canada should end with: >> City XX lnl nln >> CANADA >> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. >PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >classification name as part of the abbreviation. PQ was (and still is) useful in many non-postal contexts, to differetiate Quebec the province from Quebec the city (and the province's capitol). Only Anglos refer to it as Quebec City, the proper French usage is to refer to both as "Quebec", thus the reference to PQ. Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 18:36:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:44 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:36:14 GMT Lines: 73 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >> >>After obtaining the: >> > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >> > Installing patches... >> > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 >> >The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep >coming up: > >Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports >that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, >the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is >transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end >with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and >therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends >with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > >Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to >MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there >must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: > > MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE > MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE > MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE > >Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its >name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion >about patching. > >- Frank > Thanks to you and Armand (in later posting concerning patch indication) for your help with "Patch" installation. You were correct in indicating that patch file was in "UNIX" format rather than "DOS". I used a unix2dos utility to convert the to and now the patch file installs correctly, leaving me at: Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... I transferred the patch files in "binary" mode originally, since I was concerned that it might need to be that way to perform the patch process. I guessed wrong. To help reduce this sort of problem in the future, I wonder if it might be a good idea to post a .zip archive of patches only, in addition to the unix format text files. The patches in the archive could be in the proper DOS format, as they are in the original distribution archive. I think if I had the choice to get one archive or the individual files, I would probably go for the archive. Are the .pch files used on any system other than DOS? C-Kermit is compiled, so patches wouldn't seem to be needed there. A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to look for one. Again thanks for the help. Kermit has always been a valuable resource to me, even from the earliest v2.26 (DOS) that I used. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 02:24:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!aes From: aes@unlinfo.unl.edu (alan steinweis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: zmodem Date: 8 Feb 1995 02:24:00 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3h9a00$src@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me with a basic question? (The help desk at my system is not occupied at this hour, and the on-line documentation is not up-to-date.) What are the basic commands needed for preparing Unix to send/receive files using zmodem? I know I'm supposed to start with sz, but thereafter? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 03:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 7 Feb 1995 22:24:44 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 0 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 08:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:06:33 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) writes: | Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know | the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON | over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are | you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it | must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and | Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- | correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only | if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you | are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), | then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. Well I switched back to kermit (188) and the problem went away. The problem only manifested itself on the "nn" newsreader anyway, so I thought maybe there was an incommpatibility. :( I am using the new USR 28.8 internal modem. Maybe that's the problem. :( Oh well. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:49:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:50:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FAQ (was: Kermit patch level indication?) Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:49:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hai66$c9s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: >A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, >or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for >Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to >look for one. > It's online: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT or: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:56:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3haiie$clg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > >I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >switches back to the session. > >So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >screen whenever I switch sessions? > You can't. Each session has its own screen. But all the sessions share the same rollback buffer, so if you want to view a screen from (say) session 1 while in session 2, you can clear the screen in session 1 before switching to session 2, and then when in session 2 you can push Page Up to view the cleared session 1 screen. Clear? :-) >and 2) how can I have kermit not >send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >whenever I switch a session? > You should not be using Xon/Xoff flow control on a TCP/IP connection. TCP and IP provide their own flow control, which is far more effective than Xon/Xoff. Just tell Kermit to SET FLOW NONE. In fact, if you use the TELNET macro that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit, it sets everything up for you this way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 14:08:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 8 Feb 1995 14:08:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3haj87$dgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, >>> Addresses in Canada should end with: >>> City XX lnl nln >>> CANADA >>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. >Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. > Hence the ":-)" >>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >>classification name as part of the abbreviation. > Canberra, ACT (Australian Capitol Territory) is another. >Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll >deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. > Thanks. I'll await official word on the political correctness of Canadian postal addresses. In fact, I'm kind of a postal address trivia collector, so any other hints about postal addresses in any country are most welcome, especially in the next few weeks, as the Kermit News mailing is being assembled. (Don't bother to tell me about the new German postal codes -- that's already taken care of.) In particular, many European (and perhaps other) countries have a country prefix on their postal codes, such as: D-79011 Freiburg (GERMANY) NL-1081 HV Amsterdam (NETHERLANDS) PL-40-873 Katowice (POLAND) SF-33560 Tampere (FINLAND) (*) etc. I believe these are ad-hoc creations; they are not ISO 2-letter or 3-letter country codes. Is there a document or standard anywhere that describes the preferred format for addresses in each country, and that lists the postal country codes, etc? (*) I understand that Finland now prefers FI to SF. Do the new countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR -- Russia, in particular -- have country prefixes or other address-format changes? etc etc. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:42:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.channel1.com!news1.channel1.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!news.cs.uni-magdeburg.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with transparent printing (3.14) Date: 7 Feb 1995 16:42:42 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3h87u2$4i3@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For years I was quite unaware of the possibility of redirecting remote print output to the local printer or to the local disk. The good news about that was brought to me in one of the early beta releases of MS-Kermit 3.14 which contained the pcprint.sh UNIX script in the utils-directory. Since then the number to times per day I'm walking over to the computer center decreased dramatically. :-) Now I repeatedly noticed an awkward problem that probably did not exist in early beta versions (sometime before beta 14): When I try "to pcprint" a somewhat larger e-mail (or any other text) file (say, about 20 KB) with "set printer filename" to my local disk, the process seems to "hang" anywhere. Entering "hangup" at the MS-Kermit prompt for getting out of this, usually needs 20 minutes or so to succeed. I performed some tests to clarify the conditions under which this happens (not very many tests, of course, since it is quite time-consuming) which seemed to indicate that it would only occur in a TCP/IP connection, not when I use my still existing serial connection. When I reinstalled Version 3.13 with my old mskermit.ini and mscustom.ini the pcprint thing worked alright. I also verified that the fault does not lie in the two current ini-Files: 3.14 produces the "hang" condition also with my old ini-Files. My other problem is less severe. Using pcprint transparent printing works OK with UNIX text files, and with piping in the mailer program elm, but when using pcprint to pipe print output from the newsreader program nn, the carriage returns are missing. (The effect is easily to be observed if one uses simply "cat" instead of "lpr" at the printer-prompt in nn.) My current solution is to encorporate a sort of UNIX-to-DOS filter in the pcprint script file, but I wonder if there exists a more elegant solution. Besides, the filter-command I have at hand inserts CRs at the end of every line, not only when there is a sole LF. Thanking you in advance for any leads. Peter Schmolck -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 15:48:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: lma@ix.netcom.com (Larry Applebaum) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit and embedded cr's Date: 8 Feb 1995 15:48:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hap45$k43@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-lb1-05.ix.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ckermit 5A-190 running under VMS has a problem receiving text files with embedded carriage returns not followed by a linefeed. It eats the character following the cr. As an example, the line "12345^M12345" gets mangled into "12345",new line,"2345". The old bliss version of Kermit handles the text just fine. Any thoughts on this? Thanks - Larry From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 16:05:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:05:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 12:55:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Message-Id: <1995Feb8.085559.346@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 08:55:59 -0400 References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov writes: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in > order to obtain the data in the data in ASCII. I need a version of > Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system operating system > (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available > Bob Cox I've used XMODEM right out of the box on our Nicolet Pathfinder, a brain electrical analyzer. Some one from England just replied to you that they had Kermit for a series of cpus, but look for XMODEM, as Nicolet supplied it, they may have for you too. Good luck. Ours was an 18 bit machine.. Nicely done s/w for what it did, tho. as analysts we were impressed. I digress, tho... bye! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 18:03:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question: Error: Can't create work file Date: 8 Feb 1995 18:03:28 GMT Organization: VytalNet, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-lebar.vytalnet.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem performing remote commands on a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive the error: Error: Cannot create work file. Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly this means. I thought initially it meant that it could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing some further checking, and downloading the server's 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing problem. Thanks (thanks from my client also), Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***********************|***************************************| Mark Lebar | These views are my own and likely | VytalNet, Inc. | not those of VytalNet Inc. | MarkL@VytalNet.com | | ***********************|***************************************| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 05:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Message-Id: <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 11:02:43 MDT References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my > desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that > the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being > sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one > switches back to the session. XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by SHOW MACRO. > So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the > screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not > send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on > whenever I switch a session? There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 01:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: news.groups,news.announce.newsgroups,comp.terminals,comp.lang.rexx.tso,comp.lang.rexx.vm,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.sys.cisco,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,bit.listserv.ibm7171 Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Feb 1995 01:35:19 GMT Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hbrgn$25ni@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip7-31.fl.us.ibm.net Summary: Request for Discussion regardind new usenet group Keywords: hydra mainframe vtam sna bisync token-ring dialup X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Xref: news.columbia.edu news.groups:120546 comp.terminals:6424 comp.dcom.lans.misc:4744 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:120 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:1636 comp.dcom.modems:80133 comp.dcom.sys.cisco:16583 comp.protocols.ibm:4027 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1917 bit.listserv.ibm7171:182 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newsgroups news.groups comp.terminals comp.lang.rexx.tso comp.lang.rexx.vm comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.dcom.sys.cisco comp.protocols.ibm comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 21:01:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:29:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:28:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!sundae!rodn From: rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 8 Feb 1995 21:01:42 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Reply-To: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: sundae.triumf.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit gurus: I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and there is nothing documented that says it should. The symptom of this situation is that the two systems reach a deadlock condition. The VAX host is waiting for the reply to the query, and the PC is waiting for the correct bits of text from the login procedure. It would be fairly messy to try to get the correct escape sequence for the current terminal type from within the MSK script (I'm pretty sure). Is there a clean way of solving this problem? Is there a good reason for the terminal-type query to not be handled transparently, as I've suggested above? Does this sound like the beginning of a request for a new feature? :-) Thanks in advance for your help, --- Rod. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-7307 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:17:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 2 Feb 1995 00:17:15 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and "ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Republic of Singapore http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | hello world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 13:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:56:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3hd6u7$em1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rod B. Nussbaumer wrote: >I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex >auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening >because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS >DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should >elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without >intervention from the script. > That would be nice, but it doesn't happen. The terminal emulator is not active except during the CONNECT and REPLAY commands. So your script has to handle terminal-type enquiries itself. For further details, please read section 18 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. For examples of VMS login scripts that handle the terminal ID query, see the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", or "Using C-Kermit", or for that matter, look at the VMSLOGIN macro that comes with the C-Kermit 5A(190) CKERMIT.INI (.kermrc) file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 14:02:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:02:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 9 Feb 1995 14:02:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hd7af$f6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish >my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my >connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and >"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that >when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" >command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. > You're welcome. The command is: SET EXIT WARNING ON - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:31:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question: Error: Can't create work file Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083106.41161@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:31:06 MDT References: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net>, MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) writes: > > I am having a problem performing remote commands on > a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send > certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive > the error: > Error: Cannot create work file. > > Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly > this means. I thought initially it meant that it > could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing > some further checking, and downloading the server's > 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes > (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). > > Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response > if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing > problem. ------------ You are correct about the particular file. MS-DOS Kermit prior to v3.14 (current) used the current directory for that file. V3.14 tries first for the directory "TEMP" found in the DOS Environment and if not present then the current directory. Rather than saying REM HOST DEL say REM DEL. REM SET does not involve a temporary directory, only DOS commands used by Kermit to do the work create a temp directory to hold output for relaying back to the Kermit client. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:34:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083404.41162@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:34:04 MDT References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) writes: > Dear Kermit gurus: > > I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex > auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening > because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS > DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should > elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without > intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and > there is nothing documented that says it should. The documentation states clearly that terminal emulation is active ONLY in Connect mode, not otherwise. Scripts do not run in Connect mode. Thus you need to detect the ESC c terminal type query and make a standard response (listed in the docs). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 15:58:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!delphinium.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit & Pagers Date: 9 Feb 1995 15:58:02 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tapir.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message "DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete without such a message. Thanks in advance. -- +-----------------+---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | . . | Kenny Broezell | alt phone:(708) 632-5390 | | ... ... | Motorola Cellular Support Center| fax :(708) 632-3157 | | ..... ..... | 1501 Shure Drive | alt fax :(708) 632-7466 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 00:32:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb10.003245.1215@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 00:32:45 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 Yes. Although the System/370 I/O architecture allows 65,635 bytes per I/O request, there are limitations. The CMS macros for console I/O have limits: - the LINERD (read a line from the console) macro has a limit of 2030, - the LINEWRT (write a line to the console) macro has a limit of 1920, which is 24 (rows) times 80 (columns). Probably, the I/O controllers on the mainframe also have similar limits, probably due to the size of internal buffers, etc. I sense that if you draw a graph of elapsed-time versus packet-size, you'll see exponential-decay, i.e., using 80-byte packets will be slow, using 160-byte packets will be noticeably faster than 80-bytes, using 1K packets will be much faster than 80-bytes, but using 2K packets will only be slightly faster than 1K, assuming no "retries" occur. So, it won't matter (too much) that you can't achieve 9024-byte packets. :-) The important thing is to avoid "small" packet-sizes, if you like good performance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 12:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 10 Feb 1995 12:59:53 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have an IBM 3090 running VM ESA 2.1 and SIM3278 Version 1 Release 2.1. We downloaded and installed kermit 4.31 from the sources at Columbia. When we execute the new kermit from a telnet session, the session is immediately closes. This happens no matter where we telnet from and with various telnet packages including unix and pc platforms. The same kermit works fine with the dialin to a Series I Yale/Ascii front end or through an IBM 7171 frontend. I understand this kermit works fine under VM 370. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration with kermit working accross telnet? Please help George Gary (703-836-1071, fax 703-836-1146) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 00:01:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 11 Feb 1995 00:01:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hguoh$dae@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It sounds as if the attempt to detect the controller type is killing the session. As of release 2.0, SIM3278/TCPIP did not support the type of detection that Kermit tries, but I never heard that it would fail so abysmally. Perhaps 2.1 is different. In any case, you need to force Kermit to settle on SERIES1 for the controller type anyway, so refer to the note dated 89/2/27 in IKCKER BWR. It explains how to do that -- extract the example into your KERMIT LOCAL. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 20:35:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!news.larc.nasa.gov!xanth.cs.odu.edu!venus.ee.odu.edu!silsbee From: silsbee@venus.ee.odu.edu (Peter L. Silsbee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: detect BUSY? Date: 10 Feb 1995 20:35:20 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Department of Computer Science Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hgim8$cnv@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.ee.odu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I pretty much call just one number with my modem. Most of the time, that number is busy :( When it isn't busy, it frequently takes upwards of 45 seconds to connect. My current kermit script redials after 60 seconds if my wait-for-connect-message fails. But most of the time it's a busy signal which I ought to be able to detect and redial sooner. Any hints on how to simultaneously wait for the connect message but break out of the loop if a busy signal is detected? Thanks, Peter From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 14:40:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 11 Feb 1995 14:40:33 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3hii92$ani@news.usit.net> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of : programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope : Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at : Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently : needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. For many Mac users, a public-domain Communications Toolbox (CTB) Kermit tool that includes all of the features of the current Kermit protocol would be more useful than a working MacKermit. A CTB tool may be used with most Mac terminal programs (ZTerm being a mojor exception) and a Kermit tool would allow file transfers at ZModem speeds without having to switch to MacKermit just to do transfers. It would probably be easier to find volunteers to work on a Kermit CTB Tool than to work on MacKermit. The tool involves primarily the Kermit file transfer protocol without the additional programming overhead of a complete terminal emulation. As far as I have been able to determine, there is currently no Mac program or CTB Tool that supports sliding windows, for example. Thus, for Mac users, ZModem is definitely faster than Kermit since there is no way to completely tune the Mac end of a Kermit transfer for speed. Any possibility of the Kermit project producing a public-domain CTB Kermit Tool? From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 10:46:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!mpifr-bonn.mpg.de!comma.rhein.de!news From: olboeter@comma.rhein.de (LOX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 10 Feb 1995 10:46:34 GMT Organization: Regionalnetz Bonn eV Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3hfg6a$nt2@comma.rhein.de> References: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: larsol.comma.rhein.de X-Newsreader: WinVN NT 0.92.6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33605 comp.protocols.ibm:4051 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1930 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Paul. Do You have thought about one of those administration tools, e.g. Microsoft's SMS (Systems Management Server) which can distribute files and whole program packages to clients? It can be used in LANs, WANs and so on (WAN: e.g. using RAS-Services). Those packages will not be only distributed but also installed automatically on those clients. SMS is especially designed for such tasks you described. Besides that there are some nice features like automatic inventory of soft- and hardware, network tools, user support and so on. SMS can be installed on PCs using Windows NT 3.5 Server. Have a try bye Lars Olboeter olboeter@comma.rhein.de In article <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) says: > >Hi, > >I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have >varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: > >1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. > >2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote >DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. > >3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. > >Solutions could be: > >a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd > >b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given >a need for a small RAM foot print... > >The kermit folks have any ideas? > >c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? > >Thanks.. > > From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 03:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit & Pagers Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 03:11:15 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: taliesin@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) writes: >Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have >been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital >pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message >"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting >this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete >without such a message. Change the dial script to add a semicolon to the dial string, and to expect "OK" as an exit-successful condition rather than CONNECT.... The semicolon tells a Hayes-compatible modem "go do this dial script and then come back and tell me "ok" (leaving the phone off-hook) instead of trying to connect"... and I s'pose you'll want to output an ATH0 (or do a hangup) at the end of the script... -- Glenn R. Stone (taliesin@netcom.com) kermit kinda guy on occasion From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 20:58:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:58:13 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jefe@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 19:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: knewman@mcs.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Feb 1995 19:07:15 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3hj1t4$h83@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: knewman@mcs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks like this: Name:_____________________ C-Kermit looks like this: Name: At one time I used reflections with a /U for underline is there a way to duplicate this? Thanks, Kevin Newman From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:21:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Feb 95 19:21:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > > Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to > transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop > system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit > throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a > little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k > connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX > kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with > 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of > which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected > throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it > from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to > around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this > matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------ It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. So look at the other end of the wire for a moment. Try MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14 is current. Then ask if there is a comms box between the ends which throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). VAXen come in various models and the faster they are the more bytes/sec they can move across the link. My uVAX II can do about 2-4KB/sec before suffering dizziness. A VAX undergoing heavy swapping will not be very speedy. I rarely have occassion to use more than 4 window slots, even on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though the comms boxes and type-ahead buffers of mainframes. In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port is locked at 1200bps?). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 07:04:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news From: Dorothy Parks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:04:11 -0700 (MST) Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu II am a newcomer to the Freenet and am unable to download a file to my drive using Kermit. When I GET the file the box keeps repeating "packet resent" How should the Kermit options be set? From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 03:51:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 12 Feb 1995 03:51:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3hk0kh$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application >that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when >I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks >like this: example deleted C-Kermit does indeed show Underlined text. But it uses color to represent the underlining instead of a true underline. Use SET TERMINAL COLOR UNDERLINED-TEXT to set the color combination you would like. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:13:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: 11 Feb 95 11:39:51 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 23 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.113951.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a >> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in >> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to >> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. > ---------------- > It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could > elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual > useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment > for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). > Joe D. I noticed the same behaviour: with 3.13 I could have an idle connection for days, but with 3.14 the connection terminated after an idle period. The host was Unisys U6000/65 with their UNIX SVR4 port. The host had an idle timeout parameter, which we increased; indeed, it was the host doing disconnects. However, I don't know why 3.13 kept the connection open despite of the timeout... -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 11 Feb 95 11:45:03 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 34 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.114503.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >> desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >> the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >> switches back to the session. > XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say > SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This > is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does > a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by > SHOW MACRO. > >> So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >> screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not >> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >> whenever I switch a session? > > There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching > sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of > SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each > time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. > Joe D. I noticed with 3.14 beta April '94 that when you have very little conventional (i.e. < 640KB RAM) memory free and have many sessions open, Kermit would sometimes beep and give you a blank screen when pressing Alt+N. Check your free memory. For example, do you have enough memory to spawn a command processor (i.e to do a PUSH)? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 05:53:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 11 Feb 1995 05:53:10 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hhjc6$6i7@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yeechang Lee (ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Jeff Bishop says: : I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation : I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style : is--um--bizzare, to say the least. So is the source code in the UNIX versions of zmodem. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 06:10:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!fod From: fod@netcom.com (Frank O'Donnell) Subject: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Message-Id: Organization: Les Amis de l'Accordeon References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 06:10:17 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: fod@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik writes: >> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >> >> Any benchmarks ? > > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe), to a max of around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a Kermit implementation). I have and have read "Using C-Kermit" by da Cruz and Gianone. Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? Thanks for any comment, Frank fod@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:47:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!news.cuny.edu!jemjj From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:47:51 EST Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan Morgenroth From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 14:55:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:55:17 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 15:29:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: shlomit@actcom.co.il (Shlomit Wexler) Subject: test Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:29:03 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry this is a TEST.. -- With regards, sssss w w From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:51:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3ho67k$kum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max >transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. >I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, >but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > >Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my >transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > The Kermit FAQ can be found on kermit.columbia.edu in kermit/FAQ.TXT. Quoting from it (since there were more than usual number of questions like this in this morning's crop of postings): ... you can make Kermit go as fast as the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. A good starting value to try is 1000. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This might require some trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:58:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ho6jv$lmh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Donnell wrote: >Joe Doupnik writes: >>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >>Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >>If not please do. > >Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained >C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running >it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows >sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get >transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. >However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get >Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or >about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe) > Note that we can't vouch for CompuServe's Kermit implementation. >...to a max of >around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a >Kermit implementation). > ...nor for whatever Kermit implementation might be in use on the BBS. >Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? > First, read the item on Kermit performance in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT then try the techniques described there. Better still, try them with real Kermit software, e.g. MS-DOS Kermit on the PC, C-Kermit on UNIX, etc, and you'll get the kind of performance numbers you want. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 21:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Rockwell Protocol Interface?? Date: 13 Feb 1995 21:10:10 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3hohri$82v@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Sorry if this question is answered somewhere in the (great mass of) kermit docs, but I did a grep through them for the key "rockwell" and found nothing so... Does kermit 3.14 for ms-dog support Rockwell's Protocol Interface (RPI)? Many thanks for the answer or pointers as to where it might be found! Tito. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SUMMARY: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:18:25 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3hn141$4m7@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il Summary: MSK can handle zmodem with DSZ program Keywords: MSK, DSZ, zmodem, rz, sz, c-kermit X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Recently I asked how I can use zmodem via MS-Kermit, that is, use an external program from MSK to handle incoming zmodem data transfers. I'm doing this every day from my C-Kermit, using the 'rz' macro supplied with C-Kermit package. Official responses (Joe Doupnik) were that "Kermit protocol is superior and one does not need to support or use zmodem." Most other response suggested using Chuck Foresberg's DSZ program, available on SimTel/DOS/zmodem archives. For other suggestions, see enclosed mails below. Thanks to the following people: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) JRD@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik ) ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. f you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 06:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!hookup!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:56:14 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi There. I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some how. Does anyone have any suggestions ? Thank you Ram Gura From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 14:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!uni-regensburg.de!pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de!Gerd.Boehm From: Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:59:02 GMT Organization: Universitaet Regensburg Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de Summary: How to leave graphics mode of vt220/Tek emulation of Kermit? Keywords: Graphics mode, MSDOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET session or is it a bug? TIA, Gerd -- Gerd B"ohm | gerd.boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de Inst. f. Theor. Physik |_____ Uni Regensburg; Germany | _|__) ========================|__|__) ============================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:03:18 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:18:29 GMT Lines: 42 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters : CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. I tend to agree, BTW: I've attempted this xfer both from dialup and telnet. The site is NKU.EDU FYI. : throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file : transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). Woudln't normal screen activity and text throughput also be affected by this? I've definitely got a high speed connection as far as screen writes go. : on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise : on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though How do I set this through Kermit? : In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems : and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port : is locked at 1200bps?). Again, no because I am at a high speed connection because of the text throughput (non file transfer). Unless there's some way to lock a port to 1200 for a file transfer only? Also, I can FTP to the site and it runs at 'normal ftp speeds'. I agree that there's something amiss, it's just that I can't figure out what! If I run kermit on this unix server, it runs at the max throughput of my modem (again, using Procomm Plus for Windows), yet I telnet to the VAX, start kermit, send ANY kind of file, and I can't get more than 200 cps out of it. If you have any setup commands for the remote kermit that might rectify this, they would be appreciated. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:21:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:21:13 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or the remote end. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for OSF/2.1 Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:22:19 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hp44r$svi@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone tried to install kermit on a DEC Alpha running OSF/2.1 ? I've been trying to compile and I'm stuck at the ckufio.c module. It seems that the dir.h file in BSD is not compatible with OSF. This is a quick request as I don't have time tonight to get into the details of what I've done on this so far. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman Ford Motor co. bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:10:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: glb3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tek 4105a emulation Date: 12 Feb 1995 17:10:27 -0500 Lines: 9 Sender: glb3@fidoii.CC.lehigh.EDU Message-Id: <3hm10j$109m@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in using kermit to transfer data from a PDP-11 to a PC. The terminal used to run the PDP-11 is a Tek 4105a. I can use the Tek 4010 emulation to accomplish the data transfer, but the lack of graphics emulation causes problems. Is there a way to emulate a Tek 4105a? If so how do I get and install the necessary software? Thanks, Geoff From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 00:06:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!smisko From: smisko@lf.hp.com (Dan Smisko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 00:06:17 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3hm7pp$p80@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavdq.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Pablo (jefe@netcom.com) wrote: : JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. : Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, : I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you : get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected : all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm : still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or : the remote end. I'm using C-Kermit on HP-UX and V.32bis on each end. I get about 1580 cps on large binary transfers. My .kermrc is appended. Good luck. Dan Smisko smisko@lf.hp.com Hewlett-Packard (302)633-8510 Little Falls Site (302)633-8915 FAX 2850 Centerville Rd. Wilmington, DE 19808 ======================================================================== set modem hayes set dial speed-matching off set dial dial-command ATDT%s\13 set dial init-string ATZ\{13} #set flow-control rts/cts set flow-control keep set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 38400 set carrier off set parity none set control-character unprefixed all set control-character prefixed 0 3 128 131 #set control-character prefixed 0 1 3 4 17 19 21 128 129 131 132 145 147 149 set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set buffers 32767 32767 set window-size 8 set file type binary set file name literal set file display fullscreen set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set block-check 3 define runterm output term\13, pause 2, ! term <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define on_exit pause 1, output +++, pause 1, output ath0s0=0\13 From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 11:39:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: <1995Feb12.173925.41449@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Feb 95 17:39:25 MDT References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: > : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max > : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. > : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, > : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > : > : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my > : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > > Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, > I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you > get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected > all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm > still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or > the remote end. --------------- Replying to both correspondents. Not all comms boxes provide the same speed and buffering capacity in both directions. As Frank da Cruz has often pointed out (with exasperation) Cisco terminal servers are fast and capacious for data moving from the host to the client, and exactly the opposite for data moving the other way (hardware built expecting only human typing rates). A box with little buffering for client to host traffic and poor flow control will drop incoming bytes. So step one is to validate flow control at each point along the path. Yes, this may require other people to open the wiring closets and pop the covers. Step two is to explore the capacity of the link by changing the sending Kermit's outgoing packet size (SET SEND PACK nnn). Step three is to get the VAX manager to verify installation of C Kermit and in particular to verify the section in the instructions which discusses terminal buffer sizes (SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF, set to be larger than the longest Kermit packet you want to use, mine is set to 9216; check by looking at file sys$system:modparams.dat). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 18:11:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 17 Feb 1995 18:11:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3i2ota$mua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on >the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum >thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more >than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I >doing something wrong? > It's not a bug and you are probably not doing anything wrong. When two Kermit programs have agreed to use a maximum window size greater than one, let's say 4, here is what happens: The FILE SENDER can send up to 4 packets without waiting for an acknowledgement from the file receiver. Each unacknowledged packet sits in the file sender's window until it is acknowledged. Thus its window size grows from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. If acknowledgments arrive quickly, the window might not grow to its maximum size because it does not need to. The job of the FILE RECEIVER is to accept and verify packets, decode them, and write the decoded contents out to the file. If packets arrive in sequence, then each one is processed and disposed of as soon as it arrives. If, however, a packet arrives that has a sequence number that is more than one greater than the previous packet that was successfully processed, this means that a packet is missing. Thus the packet that just arrived can't be written out to disk because if it were, the file would have a piece missing. So the out-of-sequence packet is stored in the receiver's window until the missing piece is filled in. Thus you won't see the file receiver's window size exceed one unless there have been transmission errors, no matter what window size the file sender might be using. For greater detail see pages 102-103 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or pages 158-161 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 05:18:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.111804.42028@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 11:18:04 MDT References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) writes: > > This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS > version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to > send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that > Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies > itself as being a Kermit emulator? > > We have some programmers who are writing an application and > would like to query the connecting terminal to find out > if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. ------------ Enquire/Answerback: Control E. See manual file msvibm.vt. Getting that particular may not be a good long term strategy. From that file - DEC VT320 and VT102 functions while in ANSI (non-VT52) mode, unsupported features are marked by an asterisk (*): Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation NUL 0/0 00h ^@ Ignored except during transparent printing ENQ 0/5 05h ^E Answerback message (response: "MS-DOS KERMIT") Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 04:38:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: ckermit linux <-> ckermit vax Message-Id: <1995Feb14.043821.23227@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 04:38:21 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just upgraded to ckermit linux version 190. My connection for the net is an openvms computer that has ckermit 189 loaded. After completion of a download (binary or text) while using the consoles in linux, my terminal in linux is set in a unstable state. The Linux console terminal is not adding a new line character, and new lines are writing over the old lines. This continues even after quiting ckermit. Never happened with 189. I have to run a program called reset in Linux or reset the terminal on the vms side to make the screen work correctly. Any ideals what I need to set in the linux ckermit? Thanks, Helen I did look in the ckermit book first. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 12:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!sangam!shakti!bpcledp From: bpcledp@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (BHARAT PETROLEUM CORP. LTD. (EDP CELL)) Subject: DLL for Kermit Implemention Message-Id: Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, India X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:58:04 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am developing a communication utility for in house use at our place. I would like implement the send and receive routines using kermit protocol. I am using VB Prof 3.0 for my development. Any pointer to DLL implementation for kermit would be appreciated. Abhishek From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 02:51:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:31:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!news.oleane.net!oleane!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Feb 95 08:51:47 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: > Hi There. > I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system > to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. > On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 > There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the > VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some > how. > > Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Thank you > Ram Gura ------------------ a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one too. All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!midget.towson.edu!mcyzyk From: mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:42:40 GMT Organization: Towson State University, Towson, MD Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: midget.towson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later point in the session. Can this be done? Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? Mark Cyzyk Towson State University From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:43:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!legba.synergy.net!newsie.wis.com!fryder From: fryder@wis.com (fergus ryder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on IBM AS/400 Date: 12 Feb 1995 22:43:35 GMT Organization: Wisconsin Internet Services Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3hm2uo$4e0@newsie.wis.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: squeaky.free.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:13:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101333.41775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:13:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) writes: > Hello, > one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and > in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode > of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? > > I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 > terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. > Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to > leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- > Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the > singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET > session or is it a bug? ---------------- ALT-minus sign (on the rank above querty keys). It's keyboard verb \Ktermtype. It toggles between text and graphics modes. Some time ago it also used to cycle amongst all the terminal types in succession but that was not a productive solution. Here is a cutout from file msvibm.vt: OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal etc Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:18:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:18:40 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 104 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that > did the following: > During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into > RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. > So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape > character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return > and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. > Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement > the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps > on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could > send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. ----------------- Please see kermit.upd in the quick start release package msvibm.zip found in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. In particular, read about the APC command, portion attached below. Joe D. -------------- UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. Old way (described on pages 180-181 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): CSI ? 34 h / l invoked the TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros, if you had them defined. This required each Kermit user to define them, for example in their MSCUSTOM.INI files, a big management problem for large user communities. New way: CSI ? 34 h / l controls screen-writing direction, left-to-right or right-to-left (for Hebrew and Arabic), as it does on real Hebrew-model VT terminals (see Hebrew section above). To replace the TERMINALR/TERMINALS function, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 now supports the Application Program Command (APC) escape sequence, which is accepted by MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's VT emulators, VT100 and above: APC ST In the 7-bit environment, APC is ESC _ and ST (string terminator) is ESC \. In the 8-bit environment, APC is decimal 159 and ST is 156 decimal. The can be any MS-DOS Kermit command or list of commands, separated by commas, and can be up to 1024 bytes in length. Upon receipt of this escape sequence, MS-DOS Kermit executes the command(s) in the string and then automatically resumes CONNECT mode. NOTE: In this respect, APC differs from the old TERMINALR/TERMINALS mechanism, which did NOT automatically re-enter CONNECT mode. Thus, if you are recycling your TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros for APC use, be sure to remove the ", connect" from the end of their definitions, or else you will have to escape back twice the next time you want the MS-Kermit> prompt. For safety, the APC mechanism cannot be used to invoke certain MS-DOS Kermit commands that might do damage, like deleting your files. Included in this category is the RUN command, which provides access to DOS and to other applications. This new MS-DOS Kermit command regulates the APC mechanism: SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED } ON means that Kermit will execute only safe commands. OFF (the default) means Kermit will not execute any commands and will ignore APCs. UNCHECKED means Kermit will execute ANY commands sent via APC. Use UNCHECKED at your own risk. If you want to use this feature, you must enable it explicitly using SET TERMINAL APC ON (recommended) or SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED. APC is much more flexible than the old TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism, and can be used for any purpose at all. For example, it can be used to configure MS-DOS Kermit for use with a particular host or application by sending the appropriate list of SET commands: communication parameters like parity, protocol parameters like packet-length and window size, key mappings, etc. It can also be used to initiate file transfers automatically from the host without having to escape back to MS-DOS Kermit. Here's an example you can use with C-Kermit 5A. In your C-Kermit 5A customization file (.mykermrc or CKERMOD.INI), add commands like this: define autosend set delay 0, apc receive, send \%1 \%2, statistics define autoreceive apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive, statistics Try it! NOTE: The APC command is new to C-Kermit 5A(189); if you have an earlier release of C-Kermit you can define APC as a macro: define apc output \27_\%1\27\92 You can set up similar procedures with IBM mainframe Kermit, e.g. in VM/CMS by stacking commands and using XECHO to emit the escape sequences. You can expand these commands to handle text and binary mode if you want to: ; Text transfers define tsend set del 0, set file type text, apc receive, send \%1, stat define treceive apc {set fil typ text, send \%1 \%2}, stat ; ; Binary transfers define bsend set del 0, set file type binary, apc receive, send \%1, stat define breceive apc {set fil typ binary, send \%1 \%2}, stat From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 06:56:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!server.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chengyin Chris Ye) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 14 Feb 1995 01:56:28 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: csgrad.cs.vt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip connection. It looks like following: ;my kermit script . . output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 . . input {username:} output chrisye\13 . . output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. connect end At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is droped. What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? Any idea is welcome, I am basicly trying to write a script to run kermit and slattach automatically. Thanks -chris chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 00:27:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 00:27:04 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") Any suggestions? I really could use your help... Please either post reply or mail one to mike@panther.fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 22:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!45.75.med.umich.edu!jklaas From: James Klaas Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 13 Feb 1995 22:45:47 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 45.75.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:43:40 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Klaas jklaas@umich.edu -0- "Any sufficiently advanced | | technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ |"We are MicroSoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."| +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 11:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:38:25 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Joe Doupnik writes: > In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > > > Erik > -------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and > that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info > retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. If there is a key-sequence in the library-access software that always gets you to a fixed point (e.g. main menu) you can use Kermit's ALT-X key as a hotkey by implementing a 'connect'-loop: :reconnect connect output sequence-that-gets-you-back-to-main-menu goto reconnect It might take a little experimenting to find a sequence that always works, but if you find one, ALT-X will be a near-bullet-proof 'restart'. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 13:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit,VM ESA 2.1,ibm tcp/ip,sim3278 Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:57:41 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqcsl$oa5@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using kermit on our ibm runngin VM ESA 2.1 for years without a problem over dialup thru a Series I and thru an IBM 7171. Now we have users telneting in as vt100 and connecting useing IBM TCP/IP and the SIM3278/TCPIP product. When logging in via this means and executing the kermit module, the telnet session is immediately closed. We located a site where this is working ok but on a VM/370 operating system. Does anyone know of a site with VM ESA 2.1, IBM TCP/IP, and SIM3278/TCPIP where kermit is working over a telnet session or have any clue about this problem? Please help! From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 12:58:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!jupiter.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@jupiter.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 18 Feb 1995 12:58:38 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cs.uml.edu Summary: Mode line sticks on, won't scroll. Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most of the times things work well. However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? Regards, Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:30:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:30:49 MDT References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, James Klaas writes: > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. ---------------- Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. No DOS program (that's DOS, not Windows) can use a pure Windows TCP/IP stack. The program structures are vastly different. If Microsoft provides a DOS gateway then fine, else no. Windows programs/.dlls/etc are not compatible with DOS programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:10:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.081030.41660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 08:10:30 MDT References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told > is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? > > I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet > sizes are set to 1024. > > Any clues?? > > Thanks in advance.... ---------- To ask the obvious: maybe that's all that the Tymenet channel can carry? Those things are time sharing of a comms line, and such situations are often very slow since they expect only interactive keystrokes and similar from the client. To ask another question: did you engage sliding windows with many window slots? And, which Kermit is on each end of the channel? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 14:44:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 18 Feb 1995 14:44:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3i514b$kdf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu>, Chengyin Chris Ye wrote: > I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip >connection. It looks like following: > >connect >end > At this point, why are you entering CONNECT mode? If you don't need the terminal emulator to type something manually you should not be entering CONNECT. Then you won't need to type "ctrl-\c". Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:45:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup the connection automatically? Date: 16 Feb 1995 01:45:31 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student who wants to use the different database. Can you help me? Thanx in advance. Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073223.41657@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:32:23 MDT References: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu>, mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) writes: > > I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to > run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my > problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a > session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK > file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance > of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later > point in the session. Can this be done? > > Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line > options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do > this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? ------------ See the manual on keyword STAY to keep MSK active when the last command line action has completed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073451.41658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:34:51 MDT References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > Hi, > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the > remote Sun. > When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer > of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window > used out of the three. > Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? ---------- During file reception with sliding windows the receiver will show only one window slot in use because it's seeing packets in order and the head of the queue is being serviced at all times. If a bad packet arrives then future ones occupy more slots until the replacment arrives. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:44:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!srvr1.flint.umich.edu!gmi!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 14 Feb 1995 19:44:59 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hr17r$ofe@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. >When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer >of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? If you have a clean, low-latency, connection then your receiving Kermit will be acknowleging packets fast enough that the extra buffering of the other available windows will not be needed. If you really want to force multiple windows, inject some line noise into your connection ;-). --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 12:50:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!fen!fim.uni-erlangen.de!da213 From: da213@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Rusch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:12 GMT Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg, Germany Message-Id: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fim.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS Danke jetzt schon From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 18:42:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!news2.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: BUSHEYA@news1.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:42:44 -0500 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news2.delphi.com Summary: can ckermit for os/2 provide a slip connectionn? Keywords: kermit os2 os/2 slip Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP connection..... Can it? busheya@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu busheya@delphi.com Busheya@ropt1.am.wyeth.com please e-mail or post a rely- note: this is only a hobby. From postmaster@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:13:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:38:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:37:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:13:50 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: : > : > : > -- : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) : > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") : ------------- : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code : Page in the display adapter. : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. : Joe D. -- No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. Any other suggestions? Please help :) From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:08:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:08:42 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3i562a$20l@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ram Gura wrote: > >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. > >Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Hi, Ram. Check the attributes of the binary file on the Vax with a $ DIRECTORY /FULL before downloading it to the PC and once again after uploading it to the Vax again. I am certain you will find some differences. You will need to use a RMS-attribute-modifying utility like Joe Meadows's very fine FILE utility to modify the RMS attributes such that VMS will find them palatable. Alternatively, you could use VMSHEX and VMSDEH (available from Columbia) which produce an ASCII hex file for transfer and which preserve RMS file attributes. Incidentally, I'm sure you'll get a flood of messages in this newsgroup telling you to get C-Kermit Version 5A(190) for Vax/VMS and Ms-Kermit Version 3.14 (especially the former); they are right; thruput with C-Kermit for Vax/VMS is astoundingly greater than that of old Bliss-32 Kermit (I still use both occasionally). Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:28:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit >> news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this >> claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are >> interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You >> can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to >> /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). >> >> Jeff >------- > That item again? Jeff, that is a pretty shoddy thing, rather short >on facts, which Chuck put out last summer. I hope you can a) read carefully >the material from Columbia too, and b) run your own tests. > Joe D. > > No, Joe, it's an updated version that explains the behavior of Columbia University's Stochastic Telepathic Kermit Hyperprotocol, something Columbia has not been able to do. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 15:35:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!usceast!usceast!not-for-mail From: woo@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Seung-Chul Woo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 18 Feb 1995 10:35:21 -0500 Organization: University of South Carolina - Columbia - Computer Science Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: poplar.cs.scarolina.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello netters, I hope this is a right place to post. I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. Thank you. - Seungchul Woo E-Mail: woo@cs.scarolina.edu From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 18:53:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 18 Feb 1995 18:53:05 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >> with a 1000 bytes packet. >--------------- > MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >what it should be? > Joe D. >-------------- [...] Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming from the speaker. It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to try it? BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering SLIP mode. -- Armand Zakarian From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!trieste.stat.washington.edu!neal From: neal@trieste.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:43:59 GMT Organization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trieste.stat.washington.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear kermit people, Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? Thanks, Phil neal@stat.washington.edu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22 University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627 http://www.stat.washington.edu/phil/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Reading snow is like listening to music. To describe what you've read is like explaining music in writing." --- Smilla. In "Smilla's Sense of Snow" by Peter Hoeg --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:42:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!unvax.union.edu!news From: "Mary P. McKnight" Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Sender: news@unvax.union.edu (System PRIVILEGED Account USENET News System) Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:42:29 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 trying name ted Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 Cannot resolve address of host ted However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still running), Kermit works fine. Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep closing it down. Thanks in advance for any help. Mary McKnight Office of Computer Services Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 mcknighm@unvax.union.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 04:07:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:07:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu>, Mark Becker wrote: >I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via >a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most >of the times things work well. > >However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I >set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. > >That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager >sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen >are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. > >There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should >be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that >bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? > -------------- The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status line. So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo material to discover the error there. Joe D. x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 09:48:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:48:02 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3i4foi$j7q@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: TYMNET thruput is 1900 cps Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: >Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told >is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? TYMNET is a character-switched network that is compatible with packet-switched networks such as X.25. It is usually used to connect async terminals to async or X.25 hosts, or to connect an X.25 source to an X.25 destination. >I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet >sizes are set to 1024. I get 921 characters per second from my PC to a UNIX host when I connect to TYMNET at 9600 baud. When going from one X.25 host to another (UNIX to UNIX), I get a transfer rate of 1875 to 1925 characters per second. That is pretty much the max, since TYMNET has a limit of 2000 characters per second and X.25 has some overhead. >Any clues?? ; This is Joe Smith's .kermrc for KERMIT version 5A(190) set file type binary ;For UNIX to AmigaDOS (but not for MS-DOS) set file name literal ;To preserve upper/lower case AmigaDOS file names define alpha set network x.25, set host 3106011111, connect define beta set network x.25, set host 3106022222, connect set block 3 ;Use CRC set window 3 ;Sliding windows - 3 slots set send packet 3000 ;3KB packets set rec packet 3000 set file display fullscreen set control unprefix all ; Disable prefixing of control characters set control prefix 0 1 13 16 17 19 ; ^@ ^A ^M ^P ^Q ^S set control prefix 128 129 141 144 145 147 -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 10:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!citi2.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI4.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:07:15 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi4.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that did the following: During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 03:43:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 03:43:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to this encoding mechanism. Following is an example header: This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 16:35:24. 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. [*BINARY*128] PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ g I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. Thanks for any assistance. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:16:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Date: 15 Feb 95 00:16:16 EST References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >> Hi There. >> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >> how. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions ? >> Thank you >> Ram Gura > ------------------ > a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. > Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. > b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. > c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one > too. > All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Not knowing what type of binary file, I'd warn you that doing a SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides may not correctly create the file on VMS. The problem is that Kermit-32 wants to create such a file with VARYING record lengths; if the file in question is an .EXE file or a .OLB file, the result won't be useable (VMS expects these to be fixed-length records of 512 bytes). You are also likely to have problems transferring object (.OBJ) files, because of problems with determining record delimiters when transferring between PC and VAX and back (this operation will obliterate the record boundaries and won't restore them properly). The best approach is to avoid transferring .OBJ files at all, and just transfer .OLB and .EXE files, being sure to SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the VMS side and SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC. I'd echo Joe's comment about replacing Kermit-32 with C-Kermit. It's a much better program - much better throughput and many more options, including the ability to transfer .OBJ files between VAXes by using the SET FILE TYPE LABELLED command. (You still can't transfer raw .OBJ files from the VAX to the PC and back - you need to put them in some kind of archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or .EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 15:27:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:27:49 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: helios@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : . : output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 : . : . : input {username:} : output chrisye\13 : . : . : output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. : connect : end : : At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type : "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I : run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is : droped. : What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to : sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? You can "output" any character with the "\" format, for instance \13 for CTRL-M (carriage return). CTRL-C is \3 (I can't tell whether you want CTRL-C or CTRL-\, which would have a different value, followed by "c"). However, it looks to me as though you are trying to give the command to C-Kermit, not to the distant machine. In that case "output" is not what you want. In fact, I don't think you want to connect at all before you run "slattach". Why not continue the script with "run slattach" and connect later? If you need to wait for a message that the slip connection is ok, you can use "input" the same way you did before sending your username. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:37:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!duq3.cc.duq.edu!FABRY8208 From: FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help i'm kermit retarded Date: 19 Feb 1995 05:37:14 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duq3.cc.duq.edu Summary: i need kermit assistance...please! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta learn sometime....thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:58:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: How to resume zmodem ? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:58:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > >Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, >when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file >from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is >there a way around this? Get a more complete ZMODEM implementation. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:41:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!shelterw From: shelterw@cuug.ab.ca (Xinnian Li) Subject: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Message-Id: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:41:22 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, kermit user guru: I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. Any advice and help on this stupid question ? thanks a lot. -- ========================================================= | Xinnian Li | Tel: (403)-279-7662 (O) | | Engineering Group (R&D) | (403)-258-3567 (H) | From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 23:09:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Feb 1995 23:09:29 GMT Lines: 86 Message-Id: <3hu1j9$fr0@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip6-17.fl.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Followup-To: news.groups Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.terminals bit.listserv.ibm-main bit.listserv.opers-l comp.protocols.ibm comp.unix.large comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 10:47:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Date: 19 Feb 1995 10:47:32 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my main computer. Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:43:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 19 Feb 1995 07:43:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 61 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 19-Feb-95 09:34:14 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish ; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. ; ; This is needed since the Unix latin1 works differently than ; "advertised". I have no idea why this is the way it is, ; but this works for me, with the documented exception. set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ (caret) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ (tilde) set translation input \24 \129 ; Show ascii 24 as u" set translation input \239 \154 ; Show ascii 239 as U" ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Here we have a problem ; ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters. ; Latin1 161 is supposed to be inverted ?, but it is not. ; Latin1 163 is supposed to be pound sterling, but it is not. ; What is more this translation does not work! The output on the ; screen remains unchanged and shows wrong characters. set translation input \161 \168 ; Show dec 161 as inverted ? set translation input \163 \156 ; Show dec 163 as inverted pound sterling ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends dec 235 set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends dec 159 set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends dec 238 set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends dec 251 set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends dec 31 ; Keyboard redefinitions for other 8-bit Unix characters set key \129 \252 ; Key U" sends dec 252 set key \154 \220 ; Key u" sends dec 220 set key \168 \161 ; alt-1-6-8 sends dec 161 (works) set key \156 \163 ; alt-1-5-6 sends dec 163 (works) ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 14:35:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!xx.acs.appstate.edu!rob From: rob@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Rob Norris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 13 Feb 1995 14:35:45 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hnqo1$ldf@lester.appstate.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xx.acs.appstate.edu Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >Hi There. >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. >Does anyone have any suggestions ? >Thank you >Ram Gura We had the same problems here. Went to C-Kermit on VMS. No problems now. -- Rob Norris Appalachian State University | (704) 262-6079 Academic Computing Services | rob@acs.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:41:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!salad From: salad@netcom.com (just me) Subject: Zmodem with Kermit.... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:41:32 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: salad@netcom7.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using the telnet features of ckermit 5A(190) on several unix platforms to connect to a modem server. I was told that 190 could redirect the I/O so you could use protocols such as zmodem. The problem is how? I assumed you could use the ! shell command, but that doesn't work. Sorry for a newbie question like this, but after going through the faq and other online info, I couldn't find how to do this. Thanks, Alan Narup IDS - Los Angeles salad@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 10:47:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164735.41824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 16:47:35 MDT References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu>, "Mary P. McKnight" writes: > I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > message: > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 > trying name ted > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 > Cannot resolve address of host ted > > However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still > running), Kermit works fine. > > Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have > Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep > closing it down. ------------------ Never try to run two protocol stacks for the same protocol over the same board at the same time. We warn of this in the docs and frequently on the net. DOS/Windows is not a nifty multitasking system with a real kernel and embedded TCP/IP stack that apps can share. To run two such stacks side by side you'll need two boards and two IP addresses. Anything less is entirely up to you and not without risk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 03:27:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit missing ckucon.c Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:27:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3hugna$glj@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I seem to be missing ckucon.c from my kermit package. Can sombody mail me the latest version of this file so I can finish my compilation. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 01:34:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:34:11 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >> who wants to use the different database. >> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >> >> Nackil >---------- > I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >folks would use it at least part of the time. > Joe D. How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 16:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I get rid of bell sound? Date: 19 Feb 1995 16:58:14 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:05:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:05:58 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, > upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to > be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying > to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a > reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone > tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or > pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to > this encoding mechanism. > > Following is an example header: > > This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 > 16:35:24. > 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. > [*BINARY*128] > PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ > ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q > %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ > g > > > I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring > the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and > have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Ethan ------------ That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, of PKZIP fame. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:09:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help i'm kermit retarded Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130922.42188@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:09:22 MDT References: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu>, FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) writes: > Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. > Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. > > 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are > in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view > them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take > me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. > > 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How > do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? > > Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta > learn sometime....thanks. -------- Dear il (oops, Jen), 1. No help because essentially no information. 2. Your mailer creates the name in the mailer header. See your Univ Computer Center admin for assistance on that. 3. Never let another person into your account to "help." If you do then you are a sucker being taken. Change your password NOW, and close off your account to outsiders. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:10:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131021.42189@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:10:21 MDT References: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second > computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my > main computer. Will a 286 do it? > > //Markus --------- An 8088 without a hard drive will do, provided it runs DOS and has enough memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:13:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:13:17 MDT References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: > j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way > to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is > very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem > on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo ------------ Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:14:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I get rid of bell sound? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131453.42192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:14:53 MDT References: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: > Dear netters: > > I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. > I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. > > > David -------------- Which Kermit, which operating mode? SET BELL OFF does work on MS-DOS Kermit, and for Connect mode you also have the choice of a visual bell (screen flash). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 15:28:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 15:28:33 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsb.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters: I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 09:19:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 09:19:00 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which >would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: >someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus >inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by >beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. > Joe D. Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: 1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? 2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. My hope was that the extra data was not chopped off and lost, but encoded back into the file itself, just as uuencode does. If that was so, it should be possible to do the reverse. Either way, one thing is certain: this mess was indeed the result of a "beginner". I tend to use a more derogatory word :-) Ethan From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 02:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 08:15:13 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: > Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects > automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian > developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through > TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without > exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student > who wants to use the different database. > Can you help me? Thanx in advance. > > Nackil ---------- I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then folks would use it at least part of the time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:25:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:25:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3iajaa$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu>, Phil Neal wrote: >Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running >Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cko190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, which should produce an executable called "wermit", in your case "make irix51ypc". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the softare and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:31:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:31:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3iajla$5ev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Xinnian Li wrote: >I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and >a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and >uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend >to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file >type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. > >Any advice and help on this stupid question ? > Read the documentation? For those who prefer not to read the documentation, the following short excerpt is reproduced from the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT): Kermit transfers files in text mode by default. This means that record formats and character sets are likely to be converted. You can tell Kermit to skip all conversions and transfer the file literally, as-is, with the command: SET FILE TYPE BINARY Normally, it is sufficient to give this command to the FILE SENDER before giving it the SEND command. But there are some exceptions to this rule: 1. One or both Kermits do not support "Attribute packets" (or they are disabled). This is true of many of the commercial and shareware Kermit implementations. Cure: tell BOTH Kermits to use binary mode. 2. You are using some combination of C-Kermit 5A(190) or later, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later, or IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 or later in client server mode. In this case, it is the CLIENT's file type setting, rather than the file sender's, that prevails. Cure: tell the CLIENT to SET FILE TYPE BINARY, or to be extra sure, tell them both. 3. You are sending the file from VMS C-Kermit, which is unique among Kermit programs in its ability to automatically switch between text and binary mode based on the file's characteristics. VMS C-Kermit ignores SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT when sending files, and instead uses binary mode if the file's record format is Fixed, and text mode otherwise. However, some binary files, notably VMS ZIP files, are stored using a "text-style" record format (Stream_LF), so Kermit sends them in text mode. You can override this by telling it to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 17:59:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 17:59:04 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3i03p8$6s0@news1.halcyon.com> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: > I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code >of my keyboard? Three solutions: 1: by using "^]^]" you can have Kermit send the escape character on through so that Telnet can see it; 2: use "set escape 28" to change the Kermit escape character to "^\"; 3: use telnet's "set escape" command. To get the scan code of a key on your keyboard, use Kermit's "show key" command. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:55:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:55:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ial2r$806@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? > Anyone who has read the manual, or even who has looked at the popup help screen for ^] should be able to help you. Ctrl-] (may differ on non-USA keyboards; e.g. on German keyboards it is Strg-+) is Kermit's escape character, which is, indeed, just like UNIX telnet's. And, like UNIX telnet, Kermit will send one copy of its escape character if you type two of them in a row. For further details, listen Guy Steele's hit song, "Ctrl-Uparrow C"... > Also how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? > You mean, how can you find out the scan code of a particular key? At the MS-Kermit prompt, type "show key" and then press the desired key or key combination. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:00:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:00:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de>, Thomas Rusch wrote: >Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS > Die FTP-Site fuer C-Kermit und alle andere Kermit-Software ist: kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:06:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:06:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3ialmf$97p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu>, Seung-Chul Woo wrote: >I hope this is a right place to post. >I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to >put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. >I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. > Try this: set dial dial-command ATL0DT%s\{13} This will turn off your modem's speaker every time you give a DIAL command. Or if you just want to send the command to your modem at some particular time, e.g. before dialing: output ATL0\13 etc. There are many variations on this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:11:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3iam0q$9s8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >... >Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. > Oops: Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z. ^^^^^^^^ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:45:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:44:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:00:17 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >> this encoding mechanism. >> >> Following is an example header: >> >> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >> 16:35:24. >> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >> [*BINARY*128] >> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >> g >> >> >> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >> >> Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Ethan >------------ > That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >of PKZIP fame. > Joe D. It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without persmission: >The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >though. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 06:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: jaltman@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 17 Feb 1995 06:24:19 GMT Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3i1fej$151o@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Reply-To: jaltman@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip36-148.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com>, BUSHEYA@news.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) writes: >Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a >data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP >connection..... Can it? C-Kermit cannot provide a SLIP connection. For a SLIP connection you need something like WARP's Internet Access Kit. After you have a working SLIP connection, C-Kermit for OS/2 will provide you with a very solid Telnet client which can be used over any TCP/IP network. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 17 04:04:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing from scripts Date: 16 Feb 1995 20:04:47 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one print from within a script? Thanks, David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:39:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:39:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3ib97i$ag2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: ..... >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > >It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has >happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit >characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else >sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 >bit files over a 7 bit connection. > Yes, but the receiving Kermit program -- if it is implements the Kermit protocol correctly -- puts the data back the way it was originally before writing it to the file. >It might not have anything to do >with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the >question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without >permission: >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' Actually, the "#" character is normally used for this. The user would have to go out of her way to change the control prefix in order to achieve this effect. >>...and ' means add X'80'. Normally the "&" character is used for this. Again, the user would have to take extraordinary measures to change this. >>There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and >>there may be repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for >>storing files, though. It wasn't meant to be. If the complaint is that the file was transferred with "kermit" and the results were as shown above, then the most likely explanation is that a faulty Kermit implementation was used on one or both ends. A less likely explanation is that (a) a faulty implementation was used on only one end AND (b) the user changed all sorts of defaults in order to get the file stored in the manner it was. A third explanation is that the file really does not look the way we see it above at all, but the excerpt above is the result of "typing" a binary file on a computer whose terminal (console) driver displays control characters in ^X notation and 8-bit characters in ~X notation. Hmmm, sort of like MS-DOS Kermit's SET DEBUG SESSION display... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 02:20:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:20:36 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >> In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>>> who wants to use the different database. >>>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>>> >>>> Nackil >>>---------- >>> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>>folks would use it at least part of the time. >>> Joe D. >> >> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and >> returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on >> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. >> >> Erik >-------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and >that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info >retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. I was misunderstood. If the connections are being made by Kermit then define a key to be the escape key inside the driving Kermit script. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the application though. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 09:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!EU.net!dkuug!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@OSLONETT.NO (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:09 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 28 Message-Id: References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > Does anyone know if > > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > ---------------- > Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. Well, maybe they actually need to make Kermit work with newer versions of Windows.... I had a similar question, (conserning WFW 3.11), and got help from this conference. I guess this question will pop up from time to time until Kermit becomes winsock-compatible one way or another. TCP/IP has grown to be the major Network protocol, and most TCP/IP applications made theese days are winsock-compatible. If the Kermit developers wants to keep its strong position in PC-LAN communication, I belive they have to make their product winsock-compatible. When that is said, I will add that thousands of people ae greatful that Kermit is made available as freeware. If the developing costs are too high to make a windows version of Kermit, making newer versions shareware should cover those costs. Best regards. Sven Andreassen. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 01:45:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 20 Feb 1995 19:45:25 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error >% message: > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux >last time I looked.) There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original files together. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!neptune.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:16:57 GMT Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 33 Sender: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.uml.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >-------------- > The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >line. I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? > So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo > material to discover the error there. I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > Joe D. > Thanks for your time - Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 14:24:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: How to resume zmodem ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:24:37 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: jzero@netcom3.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is there a way around this? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 02:03:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 02:03:44 GMT Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: >> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way >> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is >> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem >> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo >------------ > Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory >kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary mode for the transfer! The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:36:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:36:31 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") ------------- You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code Page in the display adapter. These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:39:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:39:53 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>> who wants to use the different database. >>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>> >>> Nackil >>---------- >> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>folks would use it at least part of the time. >> Joe D. > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > Erik -------------- Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. Poorly written library access software is the problem, and that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:41:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing from scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb17.094101.42007@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:41:01 MDT References: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com>, dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) writes: > How does one print from within a script? -------------- Print what? RUN COPY filename PRN works, of course. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 19:03:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 17 Feb 1995 19:03:34 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx2.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: % I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru % Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any % problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error % message: You should read the documentation that comes with Kermit in the networks subdirectory. Basically, Kermit won't work over the same stack as Trumpet Winsock at the same time. However, we have had good results running the two over pktmux, but it's a bit hairy and I'm sometimes amazed that it works at all. You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great manual. (Its home si e was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux last time I looked.) Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:27:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!zebu.heurikon.com!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:27:28 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged with a 1000 bytes packet. Is this supposed to work? Just curious. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 18:49:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 18:49:53 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great communication software to use. But I have a little problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from my host machine, my screen will be full of junk characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. How should I setup my kermit to do the hangup? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:19:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3idecs$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great >communication software to use. But I have a little >problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from >my host machine, my screen will be full of junk >characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. > On the contrary, it sounds as if you did hang up properly. The burst of junk is typical behavior from modems when the connection is hung up from the other end, which is usually what happens when you log out from the remote host or service. In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, you can also "set carrier on", which should have the effect of popping you back to the MS-Kermit> prompt as soon as carrier drops. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:46:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:46:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should > respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). > Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged > with a 1000 bytes packet. > > Is this supposed to work? Just curious. > -- > Armand Zakarian --------------- MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite what it should be? Joe D. -------------- $ multinet ping /data=1000 jrd.usu.edu PING JRD.USU.EDU (129.123.1.45): 1000 data bytes 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=0 time=11 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=1 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=2 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=3 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=4 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=5 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=6 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=7 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=8 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=9 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=10 time=5 ms - Cancel - ----JRD.USU.EDU PING Statistics---- 11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 5/6/11 From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:52:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.215202.42092@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:52:02 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu > (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > : > > : > > : > -- > : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > : > > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a > block > : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE > VT102") > : ------------- > : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is > : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character > : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code > : Page in the display adapter. > : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using > : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. > : Joe D. > > -- > No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using > Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still > getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting > triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat > characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I > checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. > > > Any other suggestions? > > Please help :) ----------- Ok, I have not the slightest idea of what the host is sending. One more guess then two suggestions. The guess is the host is sending bytes with the high bit set to a 7-bit terminal kind, and the high bits get lost (yielding funny stuff from the first 32 bytes in the PC display adapter Code Page). The suggestions are: Use a VT320 emulation, and if that does not work for you then Send me a session log with come added commentary on what the screen ought to look like in places. Please uuencode because it's a binary file, and send directly to me at jrd@cc.usu.edu. Details about your end of interest would be useful too (what terminal kind during the log, MSK version number, anything else you think is helpful). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:18:29 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i56kl$28k@pacifier.com> References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com>, wrote: > >archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or >.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit >doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. > I beg to differ. On C-Kermit for Vax/VMS systems, a SET FILE TYPE BINARY command produces fixed-length-record files, just as a SET FILE TYPE FIXED does in Kermit-32. Furthermore, the default record-length for the fixed-length records produced by binary mode in C-Kermit is 512 bytes as it is for type "FIXED" in Kermit32. This is what VMS expects for .EXE files. One thing I neglected to point out in my earlier post was kindly pointed out by another gentleman: Kermit-32's BINARY mode produces variable-length-record files and one must use a program like VAR2FIX (and perhaps then Joe Meadows's FILE utility) to produce files acceptable to VMS. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 17:20:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!lbliao From: lbliao@alumni.caltech.edu (lbliao) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AUTOMATING KERMIT DOWNLOADING AND UPLOADING DURING NIGHT Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:20:06 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i5a86$l81@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters, I have an account that only has a quota of 1Meg. During the day I download files into various directories in a directory structure. During the night I want to write an automated script that will move various files to various directories. In short I am lookig for script or looking for kermit commands and example scripts that can do that. I also have a Z-modem. zs -y allows transfer w/o going to the PC's zmodem and manually down-loading. Please tell me how to do this. Lily Liao From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 22 01:44:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:44:17 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 10:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Feb 95 16:25:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>--------------- >> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>what it should be? >> Joe D. >>-------------- > [...] > > Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and > P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte > packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming > from the speaker. > > It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware > is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to > try it? > > BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in > SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size > packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering > SLIP mode. -------------------- The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can clobber an existing driver. Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:41:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!OzEmail!bprior From: bprior@ozemail.com.au (Bruce Prior) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AS/400 to Unix Dialup File Transfer Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:41:34 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ib9bf$ci7@oznet03.ozemail.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: shell01.ozemail.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ Article crossposted from comp.protocols.ibm ] [ Author was Bruce Prior ] [ Posted on 19 Feb 1995 23:40:06 GMT ] Can anyone please let me know of a cheap and simple way of implementing dialup file transfer from an AS/400 to an AT&T GIS Unix system. The central Unix box does NOT have SNA, APPC, LU6.2, etc, etc, but DOES have Kermit, FTP (via SLIP/PPP terminal server), X.400, SNMP, UUCP, etc. The AS/400 systems do NOT have a terminal server or a router, but some have attached PCs. I know that AS/400 now comes with TCP/IP, and I also know that the IBM implementation does not come with SLIP or PPP. I also know that Kermit is not available for AS/400. Can someone set me straight on this? The solution offered must be inexpensive (ie. less than say US $1000 per site over 5 sites.) Please reply to the email address below. Thanks in Advance, Paul Leopardi for Bruce Prior and Fergus Ryder paull@sydney.dialix.oz.au TIAS PO Box 387 Bondi Jn NSW 2022 Australia Ph: +61-2-353-1000 Fax: +61-2-353-1009 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:45:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: C-kermit Linux bug in thermometer Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 04:45:39 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have run C-Kermit 5A (190) from several different versions of Linux, and have found an annoying bug. When I do file transfers using the full screen gauge everything works fine until the transfers are done then the screen scrolling locks up. I can ^Z out of kermit and run "reset" to get the vidio back to normal but with things over-writing each other at the bottom of the screen it is hard to see what I am doing :-) . My TERM is set to "console" and I don't have any terminals hooked to the machine to test other types. Thanx! =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*******************=========================*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= bscott@europa.com * It's always something! * Windoze95..96..97..98... | -Gilda Radner | ...Coming Real Soon Now. Linux ==>> :-) * * -LemmingWare inc. [tm] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 01:40:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:40:00 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3i67hg$a0d@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: Sender sees 1.5 window slots in use, receiver sees 1 when going is good. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. >Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? It means that everything is working properly. I have used kermit on a networks where the round-trip delay was 3/4th of the amount of time required to send a 960 byte packet at 9600 baud. Watching the lights I saw the following: 1) RD light on solid for 1.0 seconds. 2) SD light blips immediately after end of packet as ACK is sent. 3) Both lights out for 0.75 seconds as ACK wends it way through network, eventually getting to the remote host, which immediately sends next packet, and that packet takes a significant amount of time to make its way all the way to my end. The delay through the network was causing the thruput to be pretty bad. Switching to 3000 byte packets helped, but not by much. Without sliding windows (or with window slots set to 1), kermit was still operating in half-duplex mode. Then I switched to a version of kermit that handled sliding windows. Setting the number of window slots to be anything above 1 made all the difference. The receiving end saw a continuous stream of packets; the RD light was on solid. It reported only 1 window slot in use because all the incoming packets had good checksums; it did not have to buffer up any partial or out-of-order packets. The sending end saw 1.75 window slots in use. That is, it sent out the first packet, and because sliding windows were in use, started sending out the second packet even though the ACK for the first packet had not arrived yet. About three quarters of the way through the second packet was when the ACK did arrive. When kermit got ready to send the third packet, it saw that the first packet had been ACKed, the only one packet was outstanding waiting for its ACK, and the window size was big enough to allow it to send out another one. If I were to try to run kermit between a machine in Europe and one in the US, I would expect to see 3 or more window slots in use, as reported by the sending kermit. As long as the packets all arrived with good checksums, the receiving kermit should say that it had only one window slot in use. Summary: Setting the number of window slots to be greater than 1 at both ends makes a big difference in transfer speed. You should expect the receiving kermit to report that only 1 of the window slots was actually used. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 18:44:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!serra.unipi.it!sirio.cineca.it!gopher From: TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 19 Feb 1995 18:44:02 GMT Organization: UNIVERSITY OF UDINE (ITALY) - COMPUTER CENTER Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: uduniv.cc.uniud.it X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 20:19:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 21 Feb 1995 20:19:05 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) writes: :Timo Salmi wrote: :>set terminal bytesize 8-bit :>set terminal character-set latin1 : :These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you :could elaborate your extra translations? Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Likewise, have you actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that connection? :Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For :example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and :then you want to see D when you get control code 30: : :>set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 :>set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" : :I am very interested to know why you need those translations. Yes. So am I. SO AM I!!! I am a bit frustrated of hearing how it should work, but no one having set up the new Finnish convention being able to demonstrate it work over the said conditions in actual practice. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:32:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!hobbes.tad.eds.com!maverick.tad.eds.com!news-admin@tad.eds.com From: rlemire@csd.can.eds.com (Robert Lemire) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ioctl causes side affects with hp-ux x29server Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:32:43 GMT Organization: EDS of Canada Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ib8qr$2qe@maverick.tad.eds.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: boswg09.mtl.can.eds.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use kermit to transfer files from PC to hp-ux using the x.25 network. When the PC accesses hp-ux it instructs kermit to enter server mode. It is at this point that kermit issues ioctl() calls which has the affect of generating a command to the PAD. Set PAD parameter 3 to 127, forward packets on ALL characters. We would like to keep our setting of 2, which forwards only on reception of . The x.25 support is provide by hp. I have been told this is generated by the command "stty -icanon". I do not know which ioctl() appears to be generating this. 1) I would like to know which ioctl() call is generating this? We have traced it from the x.25 side and it appears to be the second or third TCSETA ioctl() call. 2) I am trying to test this theory out in a little C test program ( get pty, call ioctl ) but cannot get results since I have not programmed down to the unix device level. A little skeleton program would be very appreciated. thanks a million... From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 09:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 19 Feb 1995 01:59:53 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings to the Kermit community. I am seeking advice regarding accessing a UNIX (FreeBSD specifically) system from an IBM 3278 system via a telnet-type connection. I know virtually nothing of the logistics regarding this type of connection but I _am_ aware of the problems of full-screen buffering vs. character-at-a-time common to IBM <-> other-system connections. Does there exist a Kermit flavor for the IBM which can assist in connecting? Pointers to a relevant Kermit and document(s) would be most appreciated. Thank you. Reply here or via email to Signed, Another Happy MSKermit User :-) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:50:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:17:48 MDT References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? Yes, it's status line. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? No, the status line is never part of the rest of the screen. May I direct you to cryptic doc file MSVIBM.VT, copy in kermit/a on watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Compare what the host sends (LOG SESSION) with that doc. Joe D. >> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo >> material to discover the error there. > > I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine > is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. > > Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever > else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > >> Joe D. >> > > Thanks for your time - > > Mark > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ > | Mark Becker | #include | > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:23:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:23:19 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >>> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >>> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >>> this encoding mechanism. >>> >>> Following is an example header: >>> >>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >>> 16:35:24. >>> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >>> g >>> >>> >>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >>> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >>> >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> >>> Ethan >>------------ >> That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >>of PKZIP fame. >> Joe D. > > > It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has > happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit > characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else > sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 > bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do > with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the > question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without > persmission: > >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >>add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >>repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >>though. > > Ethan ----------------- Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are misunderstood on both ends). I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of trying to get a clean copy of the original file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 01:53:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 01:53:46 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >misunderstood on both ends). > I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >trying to get a clean copy of the original file. > Joe D. Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 18:28:40.10336 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. [*BINARY*128]PK ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ Thanks again... Ethan From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:44:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:44:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something else... John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 15:19:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 21:19:51 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >>misunderstood on both ends). >> I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >>trying to get a clean copy of the original file. >> Joe D. > > > Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files > of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, > uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not > the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human > error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I > have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. > > If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what > did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could > think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder > I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been > produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps > macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. > > Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a > previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go > home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer > related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... > > This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 > 18:28:40.10336 > 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. > [*BINARY*128]PK > ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W > ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ > c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ > > > Thanks again... > > Ethan ----------- I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:35:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Z-modem called from C-Kermit [VAX/VMS]?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:35:04 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is blasphemy! I'm a Kermit fan and I wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't necessary. I need to transfer a file to a site using Procomm Plus for Windows and I've tried with Kermit and it doesn't seem to be working right. It sends about 48% of a 1.2meg file and then starts dying for no apparent reason. I would like to attempt to transfer using Z-modem, but the Z-modem must be called from within Kermit. I know this can be done but I can't seem to locate a version of Z-modem that is designed to be called this way. I'm running on a VAX system running the VMS O/S. If anyone has any suggestions on getting the regular Kermit transfer to work, or on locating the right Z-modem program, let me know. Much thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 16:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!news From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 20 Feb 1995 16:39:26 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3iagju$1sj@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James Klaas wrote: > > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > According to the following excerpt from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/readme "Ndis3pkt.386 is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver interface on top of NDIS version 3. It allows packet driver applications to be used in a WfWG 3.11 (and, theoretically, Chicago) without loading any real-mode software components. Ndis3pkt ^^^^^^^^ performs all the VM (virtual machine) switching required to insure that the correct application receives packet upcalls, i.e., it includes the functionality of winpkt. In addition, ndis3pkt is willing to deliver the same packet type (and even the same packet) to multiple clients in multiple VMs. An optional tcp multiplexor allow several tcp stacks to exist on the same IP address under certain circumstances." ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/ndis3pkt.386 might do it. I have not yet installed it (under WfW 3.11), and would be interested myself to hear from somebody who has installed it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 16:16:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.221604.41980@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 22:16:04 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > In article <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >>> Hello, >>> > >> -------------- >> UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE >> >> The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 >> terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support >> Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as >> DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. > > > Is there a way to disable this? this seems to have broken our Wordperfect > office screens on VMS, the screen write backwards, and we've been going > nuts over this off and on... Our secretaries have been using kermit 3.12, > we switched over to a lan, and they all got 3.13 and we thought it was the > lan. it may be, but for a quickie look, can the disabling be done? --------------- The way to solve the problem (since we can't disable something which is no longer present in the code) is to put the new APC commands into WordPerfect. Please do see the release docs for MSK 3.14 and the WP/VMS docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 21:20:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!hopper.acm.org!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!usenet From: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 16 Feb 1995 21:20:05 GMT Organization: Brooks AFB, TX Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Reply-To: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: xenon.brooks.af.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies itself as being a Kermit emulator? We have some programmers who are writing an application and would like to query the connecting terminal to find out if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. Thanks for any help. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David W. Perry Computer Sciences Corp. Brooks AFB, TX perry@indium.brooks.af.mil From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 13:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 20 Feb 1995 15:26:09 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish >; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. Well, some universities decided to adopt ISO Latin 8859-1. It is a character set for West European languages, not only Finnish. >set terminal bytesize 8-bit >set terminal character-set latin1 These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you could elaborate your extra translations? For example: >;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet No it does not, but it belongs to Latin1 and there are lots of people in Finland who have letter u-umlaut in their name. Why do you want to change it to tilde? Latin1 contains both characters. Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and then you want to see D when you get control code 30: >set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 >set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" I am very interested to know why you need those translations. -Petri From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:30:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Message-Id: <1995Feb20.213038.42385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:30:35 MDT References: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > > Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show > the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might > you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a > ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 > emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need > kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the > correct characters presently I am setting: > SET TERM VT102 > SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT > > and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that > looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However > all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and > SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. > But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE > I GO BALD.. > > > mike@panther.fiu.edu > or > michaell@solix.fiu.edu ---------- VT100's are 7 bit devices, yet your host is sending an 8-bit code to judge by your description (values are useful here rather than just visual appearance, LOG SESSION to capture the binaries). VT220's and above support 8-bit incoming bytes. Try SET TERM VT320. ESC [ c is a request for device attributes, and the reponses change according to terminal type. It's a DEC function. MS-DOS Kermit responds the same as if it were a VT100. See manual text file msvibm.vt for details on this item. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb20.214106.42386@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:41:06 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>>--------------- >>> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>>what it should be? >>> Joe D. >>>-------------- >> [...] >> >> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and >> P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte >> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming >> from the speaker. >> >> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware >> is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to >> try it? >> >> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in >> SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size >> packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering >> SLIP mode. > -------------------- > The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration > problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure > that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can > clobber an existing driver. > Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is > not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest > MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number > of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 > headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). > SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. > Joe D. -------------- Adding more to my own message, but delayed sufficiently to escape critisism for following up myself... Reproducing your situation here shows no Ping response. That's a bug, a minor and nearly harmless one but still a bug. I'll try to see if I can patch it, but no promises. The bug is SLIP lacks a MAC address (Ethernet address kind of thing) and the code constantly checks for NULL values. Well, one place did but should have checked for SLIP conditions first, and that killed an outgoing ICMP reply for SLIP only. Working around that item here is a test with ping ICMP packets small enough to fit into a SLIP frame: $ ping -s slip.usu.edu 950 PING slip.usu.edu: 950 data bytes 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=0. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=1. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=2. time=2170. ms etc I also did massive file transfers (massive in the sense of time, file sizes only 250KB or so) back and forth with no trouble. This is using SLIP8250.COM shipped with MSK, and using no flow control at all. Thus the crashing and burning you experience is not seen here and again I suggest that your machine's configuration probably needs attention. Also, I strongly recommend keeping MSS's and MTU's small enough to avoid IP fragmentation; it's bad news. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:29:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:28:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 21:35:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Date: 20 Feb 1995 21:35:31 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix-gw.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the correct characters presently I am setting: SET TERM VT102 SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE I GO BALD.. mike@panther.fiu.edu or michaell@solix.fiu.edu Thanks a million and a half. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 15:42:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 23 Feb 1995 15:42:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iiack$h5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, David Perry wrote: > >This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS >version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to >send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that >Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies >itself as being a Kermit emulator? > No. >We have some programmers who are writing an application and >would like to query the connecting terminal to find out >if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. > We have added this capability to later versions of Kermit. Version 3.14 is the first one in which it is fully implemented. If: (1) The host sends the ENQ (Ctrl-E) character, AND (2) Kermit has been told to "set terminal answerback on", THEN Kermit will respond with an identification string that looks like this: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320 where "314" is the version (which will increase over time), "VT320" is the active terminal emulation (which can vary), and is a carriage return. You can also set up Kermit to append additional text to this message, before the CR. For additional details, see the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:05:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 19:21:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:21:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3iin7h$9dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one > text file and write it to a second file. When reading the first file I > want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that > contains "XXXXX". I can do the part of reading and writing to a new > file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that > contains "XXXXX" > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier releases) has string functions you can use for things like this. In particular, \findex(pattern,string,pos) looks for "pattern" in "string" starting at position "pos". Here's a sample script program: open read oofa.txt if fail stop 1 Can't open input file open write oofa.new if fail stop 1 Can't open output file :LOOP read \%a if fail goto done if > \fsubstr(XXXXX,\%a,1) 0 goto done write file \%a\13\10 goto loop :DONE close read close write MS-DOS Kermit's new string (and other) functions are listed in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and they are compatible with the ones in C-Kermit 5A, which are documented in the script programming chapter of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 15:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!janix.mfr.dec.com!mfrfms.enet.dec.com!ring From: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Subject: looking for a simple kermit script Message-Id: <1995Feb21.152401.26629@janix.mfr.dec.com> Lines: 15 Sender: news@janix.mfr.dec.com (SDSC USENET News System) Reply-To: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-12 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:24:01 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a simple kermit script doing an automatic binary file transfer from one node to a other node(both unix, once a day).I would like to add the UNIX script in my crontab,for calling a kermit script (dialing, logging in, getting the remote file, logoff and hangup). Any pointers are welcome. P.S.: I'm getting the Kermit "bible" in a few weeks, but I need a solution now. ---------- Georg Ring RING@MFRFMS.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 22:27:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 22 Feb 1995 22:27:36 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3igdoo$qeq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bradley Pick wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA Since my first message was very vague I will try again. I'm using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 to write a script that will log onto one system,capture a file back to my pc and then have it sent to another account for processing. The problem that I have is that after I capture the file back to my pc I have to strip away the bottom lines of the file before I send it out again. There are approx. 4 lines at the end of every capture that I need removed before uploading. The first line starts with ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED. This line and the remaining lines need to be removed. My first plan was to read and write the contents of my captured file to a second file, but stop writing(copying) to the second file when I encountered the line "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED". Is there a way of comparing a defined macro to this string ? Am I on the right track or is there a better solution? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:41:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 20:41:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ilg9r$l9t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com>, FIGHT THE POWER wrote: > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). That should be only a minor detail in an overall dismal picture. Your terminal is, in effect, an EBCDIC terminal, and the Unix system simply can't manipulate it effectively in ASCII. > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: That shouldn't be a problem. Your IBM's TELNET program should define an "escape" character, perhaps a back-quote, that tells it to suppress the carriage return on transmission when that character is the last printable character before ENTER. You should look at the documentation. > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Beats me. >Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with >this? No. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:48:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!news.ee.vill.edu!shrsys.hslc.org!gormley From: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 21 FEB 95 19:48:47 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 22 Message-Id: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: shrsys.hslc.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to change it back to 80 column. I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that point. I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or KERMIT.PIF. I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 enhanced mode. Dennis GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 00:36:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:36:21 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: taliesin@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: #In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: #>In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: #>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way #>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is #>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem #>> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo #>------------ #> Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory #>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. #> Joe D. #ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, #TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary #mode for the transfer! #The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited #Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please #download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. #-- #Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 # Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" #Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ #TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem Sounds like a blatant attempt at commerciality.... get this drek offa my usenet. I'll pay the $35 for the book if I can get free support like Frank and Joe have been providing of late... oh, and does Pro-YAM support X.25, networks, anything like that? (rhetorical question, don't answer) Stay on your panzy bbs'en where you belong, Forsberg. warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 10:55:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 22 Feb 1995 12:55:07 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3if56b$plh@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit >:>set terminal character-set latin1 > >Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS >PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Yes, all the time. Everything works just fine, including the 8 bit characters. > Likewise, have you >actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that >connection? I just tried it. I found uemacs still installed at finsun.csc.fi and it worked ok. Maybe there is something wrong in your uemacs or your unix terminal parameters? -Petri From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 03:07:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 25 Feb 1995 21:07:43 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ior9v$sg3@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about >anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks ^^^^^ >there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews >readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. I didn't make the comment about the multimedia document. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:47:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 01:22:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:22:01 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >>(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >>last night (a sad attempt at a >>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >>who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >>himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >>discredited! > >In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully >incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life >Benchmarks" is beyond me. What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. At least I haven't received any complaints from people who can't print out the text portion. Yes, Joe, the knewstru.zip article at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem could be considered incomplete. Joe, if you compare it with the earlier version you will note that a number of topics have been left out for the sake of brevity. The bottom line for credibility remains: Kermit developer Frank da Cruz did his benchmarks in secret. I invited Frank da Cruz and all the Kermit partisans to attend the Protocol Shootout so they could assure themselves the tests were fair. The careful reader of knewstru.zip will note that the Shootout was covered by two independent computer periodicals. When it comes to credibility, the question is: Why has Columbia University not offered to repeat the their tests under the public scrutiny that was present at Omen's Protocol Shootout? What is there to hide? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 10:11:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit command-line puzzle Message-Id: <1995Feb26.161148.43012@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 16:11:48 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the > customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay > > value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay > > some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. > > I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set > some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? ------------ The MS-DOS Kermit command line is interpreted internally as a macro. That means commas separate the commands within that macro; i.e., commas stand for the Enter key we would have pressed if saying the same commands at the Kermit prompt. Semicolons are either data if not preceeded by whitespace or the start of a line, or are comment introducers if preceeded ... And comments work only in Take files, not in Macros where they are always data. [Quiz on Friday so I hope you all took notes.] Now if you think all this is getting a triffle obscure may I warmly recommend a few days with either Perl or Sendmail, and then a week's vacation to recover. Joe D. You want commas up there. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 07:05:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.130503.42997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 13:05:03 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. >> In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. > > Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to > send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay > except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? ------------ Only two that I can think of, given the state of information in the thread so far. 1. Give up the patch file and change the source code yourself. 2. Use some other async comms driver. We designed MS-DOS Kermit to be a coherent communications program rather than a set of drop-in comms drivers. This means we fit the program to the perceived major uses of it, realizing that not everyone can be satisfied. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 02:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 02:48:00 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: : I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some : work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of : downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I : be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your friend is seeing. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 21:50:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!news From: jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 25 Feb 1995 16:50:44 -0500 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bedroom.kevin.net X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a cancel message from jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer). From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:48:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:48:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ivgkb$b3v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, wrote: >In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. > It may be annoying, but it's not strange. Nowhere is it written that data connections are symmetrical. It is probably the rule, rather than the exception, that data flows easily in one direction (usually towards the terminal) but not in the other (towards the host). Not only for reasons of transparency -- i.e. which control and/or 8-bit characters can pass through unscathed -- but also buffering, flow control, and so on. The minimum set of prefixed control characters in one direction is almost never the same as in the other. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:57:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.075733.43059@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:57:33 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). ----------- Supplementing my previous reply... One thing to watch is the sub notebook sized computers. Our experience has been that some vendors remove vital motherboard hardware found in all full PCs (the timer chip in particular) and Kermit cannot run. Such machines are not fully "IBM PC" compatible. Finally, please don't use an internal modem. Use an external modem and avoid much grief from interface design mistakes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:00:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Kermit command-line puzzle Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:00:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start kermit this way: kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start kermit this way: kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 02:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Message-Id: <1995Feb28.081612.43163@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 08:16:11 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help Once Again! > > I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information > Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 > cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or > \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the > same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and > then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not > understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? ------------ There is an easy solution. First, to remove some confusion about terminology the "Kermit Connect mode escape code" is an ASCII control code which gets one out of Connect mode. It is not necessarily the ASCII code for ESC (decimal 27); the default is Control-], decimal 29. Best to leave SET ESCAPE alone. Numbers represented in backslash form can have more than two digits after the slash, so \271 is decimal 271, not ESC 1. To separate \27 from the following ASCII 1 use notation \{27}1. The curly braces restrict the span of the number-seeker routine which is analyzing the backslash material. Alternatively, \27\31 does the same job in pure numeric form. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 05:53:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb23.105335.7299@ais.com> Date: 23 Feb 95 10:53:35 EST References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? No. But VT320's and above do have a 25th status line. On VT420's and above, the 25th line can be used as either a status line (logically a separate display window) or as part of the main display window. The VT420 can also be configured with more lines, for example, a 36-line mode, but the more dense displays get rather unreadable because the monitor itself is still the same size as the other low-end VT monitors. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? On the VT420's and above, if you have selected the 25th line to be part of the main display, then it will scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. If you have selected the 25th line to be a status line, then it will not scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. The normal behavior for the DEC VT-class terminals if a cursor sequence tries to place the cursor on any line beyond the end of the main display window (that is, on the 25th line or below in most cases) is to place the cursor at the same column position on the last line of the window (the 24th line in most cases). As I understand Kermit's behavior, it isn't strictly compatible with the DEC hardware; but there are other terminals out there that do behave similarly to Kermit. I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is that some of the software is doing a terminal type query and setting itself up according to what it receives from that - there's a fair amount of software in the DEC world that does that (even though you're theoretically supposed to take the OS's word for the terminal type). Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 15:27:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:27:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made a script to start SLIP Date: 27 Feb 1995 07:27:18 -0800 Lines: 258 Message-Id: <3isr0m$gi0@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: A dialin script that gets the IP number and starts slip Keywords: SLIP linux script X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I made a Kermit script that automates dialing into a SLIP server, taking the IP number it assigns to you, starting SLIP, doing the routing commands. It even takes care of disconnecting through killing the slattach process and exiting Kermit. It is for Linux, but it should work on other Unixes with only slight changes (esp. in the slattach and route command syntax). I also made a version for DOS, which I will upload if there is an interest for it. When using the script, make sure you change the site-specific settings, such as DIAL BPA (must match an entry in your dial directory). It asks for your password twice (to guard against typing mistakes) and remembers it for 'retry', this is a macro that restarts the script, needed if you hit a busy signal. Please let me know if you find any flaws, or have other comments. --Roland Kwee ------------------------------------- #!/usr/bin/kermit # slip.bpa Roland Kwee Jan. 12, 1995 # Kermit or shell script or to log in and make a SLIP connection. # Usage: kermit -y slip.bpa, or simply: ./slip.bpa # or, if the .kermrc inits bother you: ./slip.bpa -Y # Tested: Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190)-1994 # Shiva LanRover/8E, version 3.0.1 #################################################################### # COPYRIGHT (C) 1995 BY ROLAND KWEE (ROLANDKWEE@ACM.ORG). # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE WHO ARE # LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO RUN KERMIT:) # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK! #################################################################### # for debugging: set input echo on # show modem chat log session log # store i/o data to file #log debug log # store i/o data and Kermit internal data to file #set take echo on # show lines of this script #set take error on # terminate script on syntax or execution errors #set macro echo on #set macro error on assign retry take \v(cmdfile) # Note: GOTO won't work here. if = \Flength(\%p) 0 goto ask if equal \%p \%x goto dial :ask assign %d /dev/ttyS2 # device, line assign %s 38400 # bitrate modem<-RS232->computer assign %h bpa8 # host name as in the dialing directory assign %u Roland # Username # %p password # %x scratch # %r remote IP # %l local IP # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. set line \%d # Don't ask password if the line isn't free. if failure stop 1 Serial port is not available. echo About to make a SLIP connection to: \%h echo User: \%u askq \%p Password: askq \%x Re-type the password: if not equal \%p \%x stop 1 You misspelled it. Start over. :dial # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. #echo About to make a SLIP connection to system: \%h #echo User: \%u #askq \%p Password: #askq \%x Re-type the password: #if not equal \%p \%x end 1 You misspelled it. Start over. # Initialize my Kermit and modem: #take /usr/kermit/kermrc set modem hayes set carrier auto #run /usr/kermit/localtty \%d # slattach/dip may have left the serial port in raw mode, clean up: run stty sane <\%d set line \%d set speed \%s set dial dial-command atdt%s\13 # Assumes TOUCH-TONE phone line. set dial directory /usr/kermit/dial.dir # Kermit's phone book. set dial display on # ON or OFF at your convenience. #set dial prefix 9 # For dialing from the BPA phone system. set dial init-string AT&FL0M0&H3S7=90S40=124\13 set flow-control rts/cts set dial mnp-enable on set dial timeout 90 set input case ignore set input silence 0 # Just observe the timeouts specified in the script. echo Kermit setup done. # Dial. dial \%h if failure end 1 Could not connect with the remote modem. Try 'retry' later # Clear the input buffer. It is a 256-byte circular buffer. echo Dialing done. clear # Get a prompt. Sometimes you need to press Enter more than once. wait 5 # Wait a little before starting with asking for a shell prompt. echo \13Waiting done.\13 output \13 input 1 Userid: xif failure {echo \13retry1\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry2\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry3\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} if failure end 1 No username prompt at remote system. # Username. wait 2 echo \13Waiting done(username)\13 output \%u\13 input 5 Password? if failure end 1 No password prompt at remote system. # Password. #wait 1 echo \13Waiting done(password)\13 output \%p\13 input 5 > if failure end 1 No shell prompt at remote system. Login refused? # Protocol. wait 1 output slip\13 # Remote IP address. input 5 {My address is } if failure end 1 (My address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (My address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%r \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Local IP address. input 5 {Your address is } if failure end 1 (Your address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (Your address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%l \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Guard against programming errors in this script before launching slattach. if < \Flength(\%l) 4 end 1 Invalid local IP if < \Flength(\%r) 4 end 1 Invalid remote IP # Change the line discipline to SLIP. run /sbin/slattach -v -p slip -s \%s \%d & wait 5 # There is no way to find out when slattach is done. # Configure the SLIP interface. run /sbin/ifconfig sl0 \%l pointopoint \%r netmask 255.255.0.0 mtu 1006 # Add to the routing table. run /sbin/route add -net 53.1.0.0 sl0 run /sbin/route add default gw 53.1.1.2 sl0 #run /sbin/route add -net 53.160.0.0 sl0 # Test the new SLIP connection. run ping -c 1 53.1.1.2 # test IP #because of slattach, the INPUT won't work anymore #input 30 {1 packets received} #if not failure echo SLIP CONNECTION WORKS run ping -c 1 brick.bpa.gov # test DNS # Note that now slattach controls the port. Kermit is only needed so that # the lock file isn't stale. # The modem will hangup when both Kermit and Slattach are killed. # The method below uses the SUSPEND command, so it only works with # login shells that have job control. Most Bourne shells don't work. echo +=========================+ echo | Use 'fg' to disconnect. | echo +=========================+ set suspend on suspend # Put Kermit in the background. # Starting point after 'fg'. run killslattach \%d wait 2 run stty sane <\%d exit # This puts Kermit away. ============================ End of Kermit script. ================ This is what the killslattach script should look like: --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- #!/bin/sh # killslattach, to kill the slattach background job # Roland Kwee Jan. 13, 1995 # This script takes one command-line argument: the device file. set -x # Function to parse the first word, containing the PID f(){ PID=$1 } PS=`ps|grep slattach.*$1|grep -v grep` #echo process: $PS f $PS kill -INT $PID # This kills slattach and restores the line mode. # Further normalize the serial line. localtty /dev/ttyS2 stty sane #include #include #include #include void syserr(char *s){ fprintf(stderr, "system error: %s\n", s); exit(-1); } main(int argc, char *argv[]){ int fd; struct termios tbuf; if(argc<2){ fprintf(stderr, "localtty \n"); exit(-1); } fd=open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK); if(fd== -1){ fprintf(stderr, "Could not open device: %s\n", argv[1]); exit(-1); } if(tcgetattr(fd, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcgetattr()"); tbuf.c_cflag |= CLOCAL; if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcsetattr()"); exit(0); } --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ky04@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. My guess is that you have not removed prefixing from any control characters. This is being discussed in some other threads, and it is in the distribution files. I get 1060 cps with the default (all codes prefixed) and close to 1500 with a small set of prefixes. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 22:15:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:15:52 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: > > In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from >the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to >upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. >I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue >as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except >those concerning control character prefixing. > > Tito Yes, I've had exactly that happen with me, too. Although the Purdue University Computing Center refuses to agree with me, I find that the necessary control prefixing for my configuration is to prefix none of the characters when downloading, but to prefix character 255 when uploading. I don't know what this character means, so I have dubbed it the "send-three-packets-and-die character," because that is the command it seems to send to the terminal server. Unfortunately, the way I solved this problem was by trial and error. I just prefixed all the characters, and then unprefixed them one by one until I got an error. So, this rather tedious solution is the one I suggest. Good luck! Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 07:38:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!morpheus!gam From: Greg Mouning Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:38:18 -0500 Organization: Yale University Lines: 55 Message-Id: References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: morpheus.cis.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: gam@morpheus In-Reply-To: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I just downloaded a copy of Kermit for Windows and it works very well. Terminal emulation and file transfers were successful. Finally, a true (native) Windows version of Kermit. According to the manual Wayne Warthen says: The following limitations exist in the current version of Kermit for Windows: * There is no scripting facility yet. * There is no ability to direct terminal output to a printer yet. * File handling options are currently very limited. All received files overlay existing files and files are always downloaded to the current directory. * No session logging capabilities exist yet. Even without these features I find this to be a very good package. Thanks Mr. Warthen, I look forward to your improvements. Greg Mouning gam@yalevm.cis.yale.edu On 20 Feb 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, > Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: > >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: > >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > >% message: > > > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great > >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux > >last time I looked.) > > There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version > of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). > > It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions > appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues > that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction > on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original > files together. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 24 Feb 1995 12:23:03 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ilf78$9i1@pacifier.com> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: > >Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: > >1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? > Yes, if one uses an ftpmail server to gain access to ftp sites via E-mail. > >2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text >file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, >it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size >similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. > Sounds to me like the person uploading the file(s) forgot to set his/her ftp program to image or binary mode before uploading the file(s). This would most definitely result in larger uploaded files than the originals. You'd have to look thru the RFC's to find the conventions for ftp ASCII transfers in order to reverse them. Even then, I'm afraid, it would be a lost cause as, as Professor Dupnik says, the high-bit of characters would be chopped off. I'd notify the keepers of the various ftp sites of the broken files so said files can be zapped! Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 21:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 24 Feb 1995 13:21:11 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ilik7$fi8@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: When did line 25 first show up? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: >> a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? In article <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Yes, it's status line. Question: Which terminal from DEC first had the 25th line? The VT100 did not have it; it was limited to 24 lines only. Same for the VT102, VT105, VT106, VT125, VT180. I'm not sure if the VT220 had it, but I'm fairly sure that the VT3xx and VT4xx terminals do. (Technical nit pick: Actually, the VT100 could display more than just 24 lines; it could display 23 and 2 halves. During smooth scrolling, the bottom half of the previous line 1 would be visible, lines 2-24 fully visible, and the top half of the new line 25 just starting to come into view. But since this was a transient condition, it doesn't count as a full 25 lines on screen at the same time.) -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 01:25:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 24 Feb 1995 19:25:46 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >last night (a sad attempt at a >multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >discredited! In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life Benchmarks" is beyond me. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 04:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!ppp108.cac.psu.edu!rab166 From: rab166@psu.edu (Ron Burkett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what talk program to use with kemit Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 04:46:52 GMT Organization: CAC Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp108.cac.psu.edu X-Authinfo-User: rab166@psu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information even if its quite broad will help. Oh....and i'm refering to talk programs...not irc. -thanks -Ron Burkett TheKing@psu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 03:01:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!ttmath!mmettler From: mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu (Michael J. Mettler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 25 Feb 1995 03:01:48 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Mathematics Dept. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ttmath.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics'), but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem the same as mine. Any ideas? Thanks. Michael J. Mettler From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:19:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:19:32 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I need to receive zmodem during an MS-Kermit session, I escape to control mode and call macro "sz" which contains "run zmodem ..." according to the instructions that came with the zmodem program. I saw a suggestion to define a key to call the macro if you use it often. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 20:54:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:54:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, Michael J. Mettler wrote: >I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. >... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >the same as mine. Any ideas? > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer rate. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 21:00:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what talk program to use with kemit Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:00:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3j801a$a4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Burkett wrote: >I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying >to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock >applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know >anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information >even if its quite broad will help. > Kermit gives you a terminal emulator to a host or service. The talk application is on the host or service that you are connecting to with Kermit. Fancy ones divide the screen into two (or more) windows, one for each party. To do this, they send screen-control escape sequences to the terminal -- in this case to Kermit. So the only things you need to know are (a) what talk applications are available on your host or service (which you would find out from your local support people at IUP), and (b) how to make sure your host or service is using a terminal type, such as VT100 or VT320, that is supported by Kermit. Kermit's VT emulation is excellent, so talk clients that exercise advanced VT terminal features will work better with Kermit than with most other emulators. Talk clients generally have names like "talk", "chat", or "phone". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:23:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.172302.43018@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:23:02 MDT References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >>Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >> >>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >>protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. >> >>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >>friend is seeing. >> > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. > What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and > Kermit reports 20% efficiency. > ky04@lehigh.edu ----------------- Two possibilities come to mind, assuming that you have reviewed the advice given in the distribution material (if not get the MSK 3.14 set binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu). First, you may not be using sliding windows. SET WINDOW 4 is a nice value, on both ends of the conversation. Second, the other end has to play along, and you don't indicate what it might be. If it is say ancient Kermit-32 then run, don't walk, to your system administrator and get C Kermit 5A(190) installed on that VAX. [Grab from above, directory kermit/c-kermit, stuff is ready to go for many systems.] If the other end is a BBS of some kind then the quality of the Kermit program there is often (too often) pretty terrible, and we do offer "the real thing" as MSK-LITE for BBS use. As a reminder about modem numbers, that 38,400 bps value is the maximum rate at which data flows between the modem and the computer, irrespective of the data rate on the telco wires. If the modems connect at say 2400 bps then that's the bottleneck. Also, Kermit doesn't know what the telco speed happens to be, so the efficiency value is computed at the modem<->computer data rate; inflate by the ratio of local/telco bps. For example, a 9600 bps connection and a 38,400 bps "DTE" speed would yield an apparent efficiency of 25% (38400 / 9600 = 4) under ideal conditions. I can't say more without knowing what's on the other end of the wire. May I also remind readers to grab the list's FAQ which is file FAQ.TXT (upper case) in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Many questions are pre-answered in it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:07:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT emulation problems Message-Id: <1995Feb26.170712.43017@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:07:11 MDT References: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out > to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have > comm software which uses MSKERM314. > > > Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: > I only see codes on the screen. > Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct > this problem. > > I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: > Term video writing: direct > display: regular, 7-bits > term controls: 7-bits > term code-page: CP437 -------------- You have the "medium" edition which is shrunk in size by omitting those features above. Please do read the docs accompanying the distribution. Grab the quick-start distribution binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu. For all features use the full edition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 15:55:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 25 Feb 1995 15:55:28 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3injtg$5n0@reuters2.mitre.org> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can >log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of >competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a >remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a >TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account >to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET >feed. > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if >my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting >characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? The problem is that (if you're using the IBM TCP/IP program) it doesn't cleanly handle a typical UNIX remote host connection if the distant machine is doing anything other than generic TTY emulation. In particular, there is no mechanism for the remote system to send screen orders (cursor addressing, highlight, clear screen, etc.) and there is no mechanism to tell the distant host when you use a local editing key such as cursor up/down/left/right or edit/delete. The remote system is reading the terminal type that your local TELNET command sent is during option negotiation when you established the connection, but finds nothing in its TERMCAP (or TERMINFO) data base to tell it what to do. The buffering mode used by 327x terminals also conflicts with the full-duplex character mode expected by UNIX (and other) systems. If your IBM host is running VM, there is a rework of the TELNET interface that was done by a user and provides at least the ability to respond to VT100 screen orders that are sent by the distant UNIX host. I'm no longer in the IBM mainframe world and can't remember the name of the person who did it, but if you check with the IBM sysprog at your shop ask him to look around on VMSHARE for references. The work may have been done at CUNY. If he doesn't have access to VMSHARE ask him to check with other contacts in SHARE; if the shop doesn't belong to SHARE, or if the IBM system is running MVS/TSO, I can't help you. Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:49:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" without success.) Thanks in advance marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 13:50:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:50:13 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: @137.189.4.24 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? By the way, I have another question related to the escape character. I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. How can I supress it ? I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) Any idea ? Regards, Chan Wai Ming. -- ******************************************************************************* * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************* * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:44:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:44:22 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ip18p$qml@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters > out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full > order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" > commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" > without success.) ---------- The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:50:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.105020.42987@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:50:20 MDT References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk>, chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) writes: > 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back > :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters > :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I > :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? > > > By the way, I have another question related to the escape > character. > > I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, > every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. > How can I supress it ? > > I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit > will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 > as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) > Any idea ? ---------------- The "escape" key from Connect mode is a regular ASCII control code. Special IBM-PC keyboard items such as Control F10 are not accepted, nor is even F10. However, keyboard verb \Kexit does the same job and can be assigned to whichever key combination you wish; by default this is assigned to ALT-x. Pressing the "escape" key brings down a short menu offering to take action depending on the next key pressed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 18:33:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:33:18 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. > In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? Thanks! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:06:21 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. > >Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >friend is seeing. > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and Kermit reports 20% efficiency. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT emulation problems Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:37:26 -0500 Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have comm software which uses MSKERM314. Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: I only see codes on the screen. Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct this problem. I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: Term video writing: direct display: regular, 7-bits term controls: 7-bits term code-page: CP437 Thanks for for any help. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 20:59:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: reh3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: waitfor command ? Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:59:44 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, i am using ms-kermit 3.14. is there a command for use in a script which will wait for something, other than a certain amount of time? i am trying to connect from my pc to and annex terminal server through an adi box. my problem is that sometimes it takes several seconds for the annex to respond. right now i have a script that waits for several seconds, but if the annex does not respond, it connects anyway. i am only modifing the original script, and did not write it. thanks in advance. Ryan Hope From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 04:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware for ms-kermit? Date: 27 Feb 1995 04:23:05 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 13:47:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!steveh From: steveh@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com (Stephen Hulbert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and spider ports Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:47:59 -0000 Organization: Hewlett Packard UKRC Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Reply-To: steveh@hpwin061.uksr.hp.com Nntp-Posting-Host: hpwina21.uksr.hp.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit People, I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. I want to automate a connection from my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: 1) Set serial line and speed 2) connect at this point I am connected to a spider 3) open hayes 4) atdtnnnnnnnn (nnnnnnnn being the phone number) 5) login when connected (optional) It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). One thought I had was to connect via 'cu' first, then switch to using kermit. I've tried this as follows: 1) cu to the remote machine and do a kermit -r 2) do a ~!sh to get back to my machine 3) remove the /usr/spool/uucp/LCK files 4) kermit setting line and speed 5) send a file Unfortunately, I just get %T%T%T% rather than the file transfer. If I do a connect though, that works. Any ideas? Steve. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:17:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.071724.43054@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:17:24 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). > > Will a 286 do it? ------------- An 8088 XT (without hard disk too) will do for MS-DOS Kermit. It's not Kermit that constrains your choices but rather the other things you will do with the machine. Given the low cost of motherboards it is difficult to recommend anything less than a 486. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:29:19 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >writes: >> >> Hi, Kermiteers! >> >> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >----------- > That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. > A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. > Joe D. Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not compatible? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 00:00:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and spider ports Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:00:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3jdjbn$ha1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com>, Stephen Hulbert wrote: >I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. > You mean Columbia University's C-Kermit 4E(072) from 1989, which HP was distributing with HP-UX through version 9.xx. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). >I want to automate a connection from >my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: >... >It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to >assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). > The current version of C-Kermit has a full-blown script programming language that will let you do anything you want, including multi-stage connection processes like the one you describe. Please upgrade to the current version of C-Kermit, consult the documentation about how to write script programs, and then if you have any further problems, contact technical support in the normal fashion. To get C-Kermit 5A(190): anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:50:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:50:37 GMT Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy Lines: 12 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 with an various external modems and serial links to unix boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another communications program, as these modems are supposed to work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 14:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bb09320 From: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Mark Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:56:30 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings :)) Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. -- M M A RRRRR K K MM\ /MM A A R R K K M M M M A A R R K K M M M A A R--- K KK M + M A ===== A R R K K M M A A R R K K M M A A R R K K Address: Mark Garcia Binghamton University E-Mail: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 21:29:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Adding second line to "output" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:29:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus output atdt7414444/13 but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 07:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:11:32 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 15:43:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:43:32 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags gmake sunos41gcc \ "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have set speed 14400 then kermit complains ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 If I type 'set speed ?' I get: set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua0 in bits per second, one of the following: 110 1200 14400 150 19200 200 2400 28800 300 3600 38400 4800 50 57600 600 7200 When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Can't change speed to 14400 Call complete. Mind you, it's just an annoyance, everything works fine. Any idea? I my tty port setup screwed up? Thanks, /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ /* "When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction" (S. Wright) */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:17:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jecv7$gj5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? >thanks, gideon Hebrew modes are built into the standard distributions of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190) and above. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:22:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3jed7q$gol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message > > To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). > Can't change speed to 14400 > Call complete. > While C-Kermit supports a line speed of 14400, it is not universally supported by all hardware. This is probably the case with your Sun. On the other hand, since everything works fine without the line speed switch it means that your modem is not changing the line speed to 14400, so neither should C-Kermit. Use: set dial speed-matching off to disable the speed switch. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 13:30:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Adding second line to "output" Message-Id: <1995Feb27.193027.43132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 19:30:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak writes: > > My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus > output atdt7414444/13 > > but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the > modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do > both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions > would be appreciated. ----------------- AT commands are terminated with a carriage return, the \13 you see above. Notice that you've typed the slash the wrong way. You can simply add another output command to send atm\13. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar2.092948.43364@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 09:29:48 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > says: > >>In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >>writes: >>> >>> Hi, Kermiteers! >>> >>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >>> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >>> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >>----------- >> That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. >> A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. >> Joe D. > Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not > compatible? -------- I said what I said above. I haven't the slightest idea of what "compatible" means in this circumstance. But it does not take an advanced degree to understand the troubles which an ensue to comms programs if the machine is taken out of action for extended milliseconds to chat with disk. In a general sense, the fewer things loaded on the machine the fewer troubles one is likely to have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:53:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: Linux C-kermit scroll fixed Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:53:36 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to those who E-Mailed me. I downloaded the C-Kermit source and recompiled it since the premade binary was the one giving me trouble. However, Kermit would not even compile with ncurses 1.8.6, which was what I had. It turned out that 1.8.7 is out now and that did the trick. BTW the problem was that the scrolling would lock up after a full screen (thermometer) type file transfer was completed. I ran "reset" to return it to normal. With the new ncurses this problem has vanished. \ It's always something! / Coming soon (promise!) bscott@europa.com | -Gilda Radner | | | Windoze95..96..97..98... Finger ---- PGP | Linux Now | -LemmingWare [tm] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!usenet From: Madhu Raj Koka Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:25:17 GMT Organization: ECC at Ford Motor Company, Dearborn Michigan Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: sl0476.srl.ford.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : -------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: -1, mode: remote, modem-dialer: direct Bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Terminal emulation: 7 bits Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout: 10 7 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Length Limit: 2048 1024 File parameters: File Names: converted Debugging Log: none File Type: binary Packet Log: none File Warning: off Session Log: none File Display: on Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete File Disposition: discard, Init file: .kermrc -------------------------------------------------------------- On my PC I tried to "match" these parameters in kermit options. But no use for binary transfer ! Any thoughts are appreciated. madhu PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so at what settings. ) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 10:52:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:47:43 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help Once Again! I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to do that. Thank-you for your patience!!!! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:05:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:05:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, J. Patrick Harrington wrote: > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 >with an various external modems and serial links to unix >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that >will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another >communications program, as these modems are supposed to >work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. > There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software will work with this (or any other) particular combination. Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so idiosyncratic that they work only with special software that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't work at all. Having said that, it is still quite likely that you can make this combination work by (a) following whatever directions come with your modem to eliminate address and/or interrupt conflicts (good luck), and (b) upgrading from MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 to 3.14, and (c) reading section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Let's face it -- the PC was never designed to handle all the responsibilities that have been foisted upon it over the last 10 years. The average PC of today is overladen with memory, CD-ROM drives, Sound Blasters, network boards, serial ports, mice, internal data/fax boards, and who knows what else -- more devices than there are interrupts to handle them and drivers all sharing the same memory and pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:13:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:13:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3jfcaj$qi2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? > Yes, an even greater one. Just look in the HEBREW directory of MS-DOS 3.14 Kermit diskette (or ZIP file). Some of the improvements in v3.14 include: a public domain Hebrew font is packaged on the diskette, automatic switching of keyboard modes (English / Hebrew) is supported with a complete Hebrew key map provided, etc, and there is now thorough documentation in the HEBREW.DOC file. Here is the READ.ME file from the HEBREW directory: USING MS-DOS KERMIT WITH THE HEBREW ALPHABET This directory contains the supplementary Hebrew files for MS-DOS Kermit: READ.ME - This file HEBREW.DOC - Documentation of Kermit's Hebrew features HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Short explanation of HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table KEYMAP.PS - PostScript picture of Hebrew keyboard layout For details, read the HEBREW.DOC file. The associated Hebrew font is in the PCFONTS directory, and the HFONT macro loads the Hebrew font. The font requires EGA, VGA, or higher graphics adapter. NOTE: Hebrew support works best when used on a normal 25x80 screen. See PCFONTS\READ.ME for further information. (End of READ.ME) From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 14:02:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!not-for-mail From: rwitmer@lanai.Eyring.COM (Robert Witmer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:02:16 -0700 Organization: Eyring Corporation Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.Eyring.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: eyring.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have a kermit script file. It starts out with log session and when I review the log and watch the screen I can see everything except the last few commands of the script. Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? I have at the end of the script, # Last few things to do... ... <- a few commands to run on remote system. clear #Now logout from remote system. output logout\13 pause 5 hangup quit I see most of the session, down to those last few commands, but I don't see all of those last few commands. The script just returns and the last part of the log is missing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -Bob Witmer From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:22:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:22:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags > gmake sunos41gcc \ > "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" > >and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have > set speed 14400 >then kermit complains > ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 > The reason the sunos41xxx makefile entries do not define the symbols -DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K is that the underlying operating system (SunOS 4.1.x) does not support these speeds. Look in /usr/include/sys/ttydev.h and you can see for yourself. You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, then tell C-Kermit to "set speed 38400", "set dial speed-matching off". Also be sure to use RTS/CTS flow control. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:27:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:27:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3jfd6a$s0j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka wrote: >I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to >my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. >Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. >On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get >is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. >... >PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so >at what settings. ) > That's the ticket. You should also be running a more recent version of Kermit on the HP -- version 4E is also very old stuff. In any case, it should be sufficient to tell both Kermit programs to "set file type binary" -- that should ensure correct binary-mode transfers in both directions. For further information, please consult the manuals, and also the sections on binary transfers in the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT If you still have trouble after that, send email to kermit@columbia.edu describing the problem in detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:31:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jfdcm$sd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com>, Robert Witmer wrote: >I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have >a kermit script file. It starts out with > log session >and when I review the log and watch the screen I can >see everything except the last few commands of the script. >Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers >which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? > CLOSE SESSION? - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 18:27:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: 6 Mar 1995 18:27:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfk6m$b6p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information >Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 >cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or >\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. > As shown in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", 2nd edition, p.211, Table 17-2, "MS-DOS Kermit Backslash Notation", the way to do this is: set key \nnn \{27}1 Otherwise, Kermit has no way of knowing what you mean. You could also use: set key \nnn \27\48 >P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to >do that. > There is still time. Send email containing your complete postal address to knews@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:37:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:37:30 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do this? thank you in advance -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:42:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!recnews-2.4 From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: funny new Bios2 option Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:42:54 -0600 Organization: mailEnteringNews @ Honeywell Technology Center Lines: 36 Sender: daemon@src.honeywell.com Message-Id: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: moon.src.honeywell.com X-Received: from skylab.src.honeywell.com by src.honeywell.com (4.1/smail2.6.3/SRCv0.25); Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST id AA00382 for comp.protocols.kermit.misc at Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST X-Received: by skylab.src.honeywell.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA10700; Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old one did. in response to: set port 2 kermit responds: This port operates through the Bios and, in response to: set speed 19200 kermit responds: Unimplemented baud rate neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) any idea what's going on? thanks in advance, -geo --- George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 hadden@src.honeywell.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:00:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Message-Id: <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 15:00:23 MDT References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > > Is there any way to test for this situation and exit cleanly > with an error message if this occurs? > > set flow rts/cts > SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT > SET CARRIER ON 1 > SET QUIET ON > ; \%a was 4, > def \%a 4 > echo > echo Attempting to connect to Common Ground... > :tryagain > set line /dev/tty\%a Perhaps you would do better with the hardware flow control port /dev/tty00h or equivalent. As Frank has commented extensively, Unix has rotten serial comms support and the system may well not do hardware flow control properly nor easily. I recall that my UW 1.1.3 system does RTS/CTS control ok with the "h" port. You should also play with the SET CARRIER option to get around sensing and waiting for it in the initial stages of things. I wish I could help more but I avoid modems on my Unix machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:56:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:56:20 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, where I could type the responses by myself? How to do that? Any pointers? Thanks a lot! Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:35:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:35:15 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject line says it all, as it has been doubtless said before. Thanks for your help. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 15:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:53:32 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: helios@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu By WWW, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Can't find my notes for anonymous ftp address, but I think it was kermit.columbia.edu -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:41:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny new Bios2 option Message-Id: <1995Feb28.214127.43255@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 21:41:27 MDT References: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com>, hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) writes: > > i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old > one did. > > in response to: > > set port 2 > > kermit responds: > > This port operates through the Bios Then, as the Kermit docs explain, it failed to pass muster as a real legit serial port. Hence the Bios is used and that is a terrible pathway. In short, the modem isn't working properly, and with PCMCIA that is not unusual. I recommend you chat with the vendors involved. > and, in response to: > > set speed 19200 > > kermit responds: > > Unimplemented baud rate > > neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond > at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios > thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through > Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my > newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) Sure, the networking is available if you have the underlying network stack. That's all it means. Joe D. > any idea what's going on? > > thanks in advance, > > -geo > --- > George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) > Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 > hadden@src.honeywell.com > From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 17:26:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: David Coons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 6 Mar 1995 17:26:07 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jfgjf$7pp@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dcoons.acs.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. > If so how would I be able to obtain it. Try ftp://kermit.columbia.edu//kermit/e/faq.txt From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 07:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Message-Id: <1995Mar2.133753.43390@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 13:37:53 MDT References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka writes: > Hi Guys, > > I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. > > I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to > my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Yup, ancient, and we don't support ProComm. > Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. > On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get > is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. > > On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : > -------------------------------------------------------------- > C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Oh my. That is truely ancient. Please, oh please, update the HP to use C Kermit 5A(190). > PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so > at what settings. ) a) You must be joking. b) Please do read the manual and the release docs. We have taken pains to pre-answer the question. Good luck with the new toy(s, when you get C Kermit too). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 07:51:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:51:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with COMTCP? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 17:59:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Bell Date: 1 Mar 1995 09:59:39 -0800 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((206) 693-0325) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Kermiteers! Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs and GETs or RECEIVEs? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 23:03:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:27:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Date: 2 Mar 1995 23:03:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3j5irn$88i@news1.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , craig szczublewski wrote: >how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit >on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It >only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from >an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a >macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do >this? In the C-Kermit 5A(190) distribution there is a ckurzsz.ini script which does this kind of thing. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:07:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made SLIP script for DOS Date: 7 Mar 1995 01:07:42 -0800 Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: Automates making a SLIP connection; contains instructions and hints. Keywords: slip dialin telnet dos packet-driver X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following reasons: 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. 3) For netsurfing, I would suggest forget about DOS/Windows and use Linux or FreeBSD. Due to the sophistication of DOS/Win, these are almost as good as Unix, and at least as complex to set up. The free Unixes have also a lower price, and more and better versions of ftp, Mosaic, lynx, mail, news, etc (better price/quality ratio). A week or so ago I posted a Kermit script to start SLIP on Linux. 4) Note that the script below does NOT have the automatic login and redial features from my Linux script. If you want those, just copy them from the Linux script (and modify to suit). You do not need the slattach and route sections from the Linux script. OK, if you still use DOS, here is the kermit script. Good Luck, Roland -- ; slipbpa.tak Roland Kwee Feb 8, 1995 ; Make sure you study the script and change things according ; to your com port, modem, phone#, etc. echo Setting up Kermit for SLIP set port com1 ; use the highest speed to communicate with the modem, to ; keep up with compressed data rates: set speed 38400 echo Initializing the BlackBox modem 32144. ; reset modem to factory defaults, echo on, full responses, answer: output at&fe1x4s0=1\13 pause 1 ; turn the annoying speaker off: :output atl0m0\13 ; hardware flow control (required for slip): output at\Q1S7=90\13 set flow-control RTS/CTS ; Network settings (verify with your system administrator): set tcp/ip address 1.1.20.90 set tcp/ip broadcast 1.1.255.255 set tcp/ip subnetmask 255.255.0.0 set tcp/ip primary-nameserver 1.160.11.34 set tcp/ip gateway 1.1.1.2 set tcp/ip domain net.surf.gov ; Make connection, the entry must be in the file DIALUPS.TXT: dial slipprovider ; Handle the other side manually. Could be automated. connect ; When the modems connect: log in, start the remote slip, escape ; back to your local Kermit prompt. ; If you want to run Mosaic or some other application than Kermit ; over the SLIP connection, uncomment this exit: ; exit ; If you want to use Kermit to telnet into a remote host over SLIP, ; this section does that: ; Change from dialin mode to telnet mode using the packet-driver interrupt: set port tcp/ip ; If no name server is running, use the numeric form: ;set tcp/ip host cpu.domain.gov set tcp/ip host 1.160.1.254 ; In telnet mode, flow control is not needed. set flow none connect ; To end the SLIP session and hangup the phone, just start Kermit ; again, but not in telnet mode, and issue the HANGUP command from ; the KErmit command prompt. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Mar 95 15:52:54 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > > Hi, Kermiteers! > > Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX > box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, > if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon > completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does > *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of > writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the > behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs > and GETs or RECEIVEs? ----------- That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 14:18:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3jhpvt$t18@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > In other words DTR is up, which is wired to DCD on the UnixWare side, so the SET LINE (open) succeeds, but you can't send a character because you are not getting its RTS signal, which is cross-wired to CTS. How about this: WAIT 10 CTS IF FAIL STOP 1 Flow control deadlock I'm not certain that modem-signal support is available in the UnixWare version of C-Kermit, but it is, this should do the trick. If it isn't, maybe it can be added if the underlying support is there in OS. To check, just type "show modem" at the UnixWare C-Kermit> prompt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 15:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:15:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jhtaj$4ul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. >Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial >command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, >where I could type the responses by myself? > There are many ways to do this. First, you should do by hand whatever it is that you want to automate, and LOG SESSION during the process to record exactly what characters come in from the host. This will help you to write your INPUT statements. Then test your script on an actual session, using SET INPUT ECHO ON and LOG SESSION. If it works, you're done. If it doesn't work, and you can't figure out what is wrong by looking at the screen or the (second) session log, then: a. If your computer has two serial ports, connect them together with a null modem cable. Run Kermit in CONNECT mode on one and run your script on the other. b. Or connect two computers back-to-back with a null modem cable. On the computer that is in CONNECT mode, it is convenient to use SET KEY to program the remote computer's responses to keystrokes, for speed and to eliminate typing errors. Also note that C-Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands also work in REMOTE mode, so if you are accessing your UNIX host from a terminal or emulator, you can also test your script on the "console". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 17:34:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:34:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ji5g0$hcf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet >redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with >some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried >specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and >neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with >COMTCP? > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port using OS/2 services. On the other hand, you could always be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190) which is designed as a real OS/2 32-bit application. It provides most of the features that MS-DOS Kermit has except for VT320 and Tek terminals. But it also has many OS/2 specific features such as support for long filenames, REXX scripting, PM Clipboard copy/paste, Mouse support during terminal sessions, and much more. C-Kermit for OS/2 may be retrieved from ftp kermit.columbia.edu in /kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 16:30:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!astro.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:30:50 GMT Organization: U.of Maryland, College Park, Astronomy Lines: 47 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ji1nq$94d@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, |> J. Patrick Harrington wrote: |> > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 |> >with an various external modems and serial links to unix |> >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a |> >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of |> >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. |> >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that |> >will work? |>> |> There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software |> will work with this (or any other) particular combination. |> Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so |> idiosyncratic that they work only with special software |> that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't |> work at all. ---- good advice deleted ---- |> .... and drivers all sharing the same memory and |> pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and |> so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is |> going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or |> mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. |> |> - Frank Amen! I *have* been able to get my Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA modem to work properly with the OmniBook 300, and I just wanted to clear this issue up and not leave the impression that there is a fundamental problem with this combination. I believe what happened is the following: I have been using OBMAX on the OB300 to free up enough space to run some favorite DOS programs. When OBMAX has removed some of the drivers, even if "install=d:\omnibook\obcic.exe /GEN 1" is in the config.sys file, I could not find the modem. However, with the standard boot to windows (and with "set port 2" in kermit) there is no problem. The XJ2144 does have a tendency to emit a sort of "static" sound while running, but this happens on the HP100LX also. Thanks to all who provided suggestions. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 06:04:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Made SLIP script for DOS Message-Id: <1995Mar7.120446.43897@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Mar 95 12:04:46 MDT References: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > > Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although > it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following > reasons: > > 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the > packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) > in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to Actually in autoexec.bat is a bad place. One needs to dial and login to the remote host first, then start SLIP frames. > BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt > to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, Terminology: SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver. Applications reach Packet Drivers though an interrupt between 0x60 and 0x7f. > use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote > slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either > FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by > issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. > > 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software > such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers More terminology. Lan Man uses NetBEUI; it's not a TCP/IP stack. SLIP is strictly IP. NetBIOS may be run over the top of a number of protocol stacks, including TCP/IP (so-called RFC-NetBIOS). > to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you > should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver, which does SLIP work. If you have only telco lines for comms then it's either that or PPP to move TCP/IP traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 10:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!seismo!ukma!news.cuny.edu!news From: ea8qc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for FAQ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:46:52 GMT Organization: Queens College, CUNY Lines: 5 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. If so how would I be able to obtain it. TIA Louis Bianchi From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 00:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!zen From: zen@netcom.com (DEVRAJ URS) Subject: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:46:09 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: zen@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Netters Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) ? Thanks dev -- Devraj Urs ( Dev ) Systems Integrator Practical Technology zen@netcom.com Compuserve: 74143,312 (714) 521 4678 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 02:57:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 3 Mar 1995 02:57:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lucky136.acns.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know that this must be a simple fix. Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. TIA, Ken -Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Type ? or HELP for help SOLARIS-DEV>connect Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 19200. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect Can't read character: Operation would block (Back at multitude) SOLARIS-DEV> C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 2 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 2048 2048 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 3 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: ATQ0S2=43X4&M4\{13} Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13} Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Modem signals unavailable Command bytesize: 7 bits Terminal bytesize: 8 bits Terminal echo: remote Terminal locking-shift: off Terminal newline-mode: off Terminal cr-display: normal Terminal character-set: transparent CONNECT-mode escape character: 28 (Ctrl-\, FS) Suspend: on -- Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 05:01:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!jonathan From: jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Message-Id: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Date: 3 Mar 95 16:01:40 +1100 Organization: The University of Melbourne Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing something here? Advice appreciated. Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Ridler, Telephone: +61 3 344 7994 Information Technology Services, Fax: +61 3 347 4803 The University of Melbourne, Internet: jonathan@ucsvc.its.unimelb.edu.au Parkville, Vic., AUSTRALIA, 3052. X.121: 050523343000305::jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ type smtp.cmd ; KERMIT command file to test SMTP port. ; Thanks to Aaron Leonard @ TGV Inc. set host testbox 25 input 3 220 ; wait 3 secs for 220 banner if failure goto test_again ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :test_again ECHO SMTP did not respond - testing again. set host testbox 25 input 10 220 ; wait 10 secs for 220 banner if failure goto smtp_dead ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :smtp_dead ECHO SMTP is NOT responding! QUIT $ kermit smtp.cmd Executing SYS_SYSROOT:[KERMIT]CKERMIT.INI;3 for VMS... Good Afternoon! Trying 128.250.111.1... SMTP did not respond - testing again. %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =0007FA31, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC CKUUS7 setlin 8438 00000211 0007FA31 CKUUS3 doprm 7133 0000026D 0007AB61 CKUUSR docmd 8056 0000207D 00069C3D CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit script wanted Date: 3 Mar 1995 15:10:50 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming ;-). The scripts should contain: - error handling (output/input chatting with remote) - self executing script - self documented - good for learning kermit scripts In fact, I would like to make the simple script I have done for a paging service more foolproof and include error handling. However, if somebody already has written a IXO or ::number::message:: like kermit script, this would be very appreciated (I know tpage, but I will not have perl available on the machines I will install this script) Could somebody please give me a pointer? Thanks a lot Regards Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:13:15 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Garcia (bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu) wrote: : Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit : for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. MS-Kermit comes with a pif file and instructions for running in a DOS window. See thread "Kermit 3.14 and Winsock" for a native-Windows clone if you dare. I haven't tried it. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 03:09:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:09:55 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it would download as fast as zmodem: set send packet-length 9024 set receive packet-length 9024 set block 3 But instead I get two lines of error message, saying ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 4 03:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 3 Mar 1995 22:16:37 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: > >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post the version you're using when experiencing problems. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3jkf15$1q3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. >If so how would I be able to obtain it. > Yes: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt It also goes by various other names, which are all links to the same file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/e/faq.txt ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/fAQ.TXT etc. It is also accessible on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit and then select "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:32:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:32:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3jkf66$22e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , DEVRAJ URS wrote: >Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make solaris2x (for Sun compiler) make solaris2xg (for GCC) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:38:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jkfgb$2ln@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. wrote: >Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a >connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for >hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know >that this must be a simple fix. >Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. >... >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) > Say no more. Solaris != SunOS. You are running (a) an out of date version of Kermit, and (b) the wrong version. Please pick up version 5A(190) from kermit.columbia.edu, and then build it for Solaris, not for SunOS. See the instructions at the top of the makefile, and also read the ckuins.doc file for further installation instructions, and also be sure to read the Solaris section of the ckuker.bwr file for voluminous notes about problems with Solaris 2.3 (which mostly boil down to installing every Solaris patch you can get your hands on). Btw, preliminary reports about C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4 are good. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:46:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script wanted Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:46:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Message-Id: <3jkfv9$38s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), >I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming >;-). The scripts should contain: > >- error handling (output/input chatting with remote) >- self executing script >- self documented >- good for learning kermit scripts > Please, if you want to learn how to write Kermit scripts, use the C-Kermit book. There are three chapters that show you everything, step by step. Every technique that you need to use is explained and illustrated by example. Would you try to program in C or Pascal or Perl without looking at a manual? Would you try to make a TeX document without ever looking at the TeX book? Sorry to keep responding to so many messages this way, but (a) we put a lot of work into these books and they answer most of the questions posted on this list, and (b) sales of the books are what pay for the software you are using. Daniel, you can get an idea of how to write Kermit scripts by looking at what is right under your nose: the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that is distributed with C-Kermit. As far as pagers are concerned, scripts for handling alphanumeric pagers were posted to this list, if I recall correctly, and one was also published in the previous issue of DEC Professional. For numeric pagers, see the hints in the FAQ, ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt. The C-Kermit manual is available in both English and German editions: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:53:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:53:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3jkge0$3uk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > Yes, you can download with Kermit as fast as (or faster than) Zmodem, but the directions above are oversimplified. In general (assuming we are talking about dialup connections using modern modems), the following elements are necessary: 1. Hardware flow control 2. Long packets (but 9024 is overkill -- 1000 or 2000 should be enough) 3. Sliding windows ("set window 4" or thereabouts) 4. Control-character unprefixing (makes a difference for ZIP files, etc) See our FAQ for further information: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > It looks like you are using either an ancient version of Kermit, or else some other (non-Kermit) software. The current version of Kermit for PCs is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, January 1995. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), October 1994. By the way, something is wrong with News here, and delivery of messages is delayed by a long time -- about a week. If all the messages that I am replying to have already been long since answered, my apologies for the duplications. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:37:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!ainews!aisb!simonpe From: simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Simon Perkins) Subject: Lost messages while interacting with Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Reply-To: Simon.Perkins@ed.ac.uk Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:37:06 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on UNIX in local mode. While I am interacting with Kermit directly (i.e. while the C-Kermit> prompt is up), characters that get set by a remote host to the kermit terminal screen seem to just get lost. When I reconnect they don't reappear again as I seem to remeber they did on MS-DOS Kermit. Is there anyway of not losing this information? -- Simon Perkins simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk Dept. of AI, Edinburgh University. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:04:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:04:25 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alex Hamlin (hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu) wrote: : I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large : improvement. : However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy : signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue : without hanging up. Your modem is responsible for recognizing the busy signal and sending text to the Kermit script. Check the new modem initializing strings against the old ones. You need something like E1X4 to check for busy and echo the result, but it may vary from model to model. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:17:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:17:27 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote: : In article , : >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. : Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post : the version you're using when experiencing problems. To save Joe some typing :-) Start by getting the latest version of MSKermit and read the documentation. It tells you more than you need to know about the settings. It also tells you how to buy the book. As a preview, the advantage to long packets is that the overhead of checking for errors is about the same, so the fewer times you need it, the less is slows you down. Going from 90 to 1000-byte packets eliminates most of the overhead. Going longer than 1000 can't save more than 100% of the remaining overhead, so it becomes less important than other things you can adjust. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:08:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: d.coons@ttu.edu (David Coons) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:08:39 GMT Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3j9s97$pbd@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: accs04-1.ttu.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large >improvement. >However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy >signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue >without hanging up. It's your modem's job to detect a busy, not Kermit's. If your modem type is in the \MODEMS subdirectory, add a SET MODEM ________ to MSCUSTOM.INI. Otherwise, you'll have to OUTPUT a string to the modem to let it detect a busy. The ATXn command controls this on most modems. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 21:55:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!dgrisner From: "David G. Risner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: waitfor command ? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:55:56 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 15 Message-Id: References: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I beleive what you are looking for is the INPUT command. For MS-Kermit the syntax is: INPUT [timeout] String to wait for This waits for the specified anmount of time, or the default time if there is not time specified, for the string to come over the COM port, telnet session, etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Southwestern University School of Law Library Los Angeles, CA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 08:03:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!KremlSun!kiae!relcom!newsserv From: "Andrey V. Glukhov" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 15:03:10 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: Commercial bank "Enisey" Message-Id: Sender: news-service@kiae.su Reply-To: andrey@ennet.krasnoyarsk.su X-Return-Path: kiae!ennet.krasnoyarsk.su!andrey Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all I have some problems with kermit script programming. My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). set count \ffiles(*.test) echo total of files: \v(count) :loop assign \%m \fnext(*.test) echo \%m ;open read \%m ;close read if count goto loop quit The result of playing the script above is: total of files: 5 1.test 2.test 3.test 4.test 5.test The result of playing the same script without semicolons is different. Why? total of files: 5 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test Best regards, Andrey Glukhov From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 10:55:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:55:34 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jzero@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: | Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: | 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server | 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit | and issue a GET command. | 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) | 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). | 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! | I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either | do nothing, or hang up my line. | How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? | --Lawrence. | -- After GET(ting) the file, type finish. Then esc back to Freenet's kermit. Now type quit. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 14:14:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: 9 Mar 1995 14:14:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3jn2gh$nbu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrey V. Glukhov wrote: >Hi, all > >I have some problems with kermit script programming. >My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). > >set count \ffiles(*.test) >echo total of files: \v(count) >:loop >assign \%m \fnext(*.test) >echo \%m >;open read \%m >;close read >if count goto loop >quit > From the ckcker.bwr file: The following script program: set count \ffiles(oofa.*) :loop send \fnextfile() if count goto loop does not work as expected. The SEND command (and any other command that parses a filename, including TAKE) implicitly calls the same internal function that \ffiles() calls, and thus destroys the file list set up in the first line. To accomplish this type of operation: (1) give the wild filespec to \ffiles(); (2) loop through the file list and assign each filename to an array element; (3) use the array of filenames in subsequent file-related commands. Example: asg \%n \ffiles(\%1) declare \&f[\%n] for \%i 1 \%n 1 { asg \&f[\%i] \fnextfile() } for \%i 1 \%n 1 { - send \&f[\%i] - } - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:15:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:15:11 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from MS-DOS KERMIT? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:26:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:26:13 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit script programming: Beside case - like branches in Kermit scripts I'd like to use other stuff. Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? At the end, I'd like to write a pager kermit script which handles errors from the paging service correctly.. Here is an example of such a case construct: ; ; some initial stuff comes first... ; ; :once_again dial \m(telepage) output ::\m(pagernumber)::\m(message):: ; ; now how do I do this? ; case input 00~OK) goto OK ; call accepted 10~sNOT~sOK) goto 10_NOK ; protocoll error 11~sNOT~sOK) goto 11_NOK ; message too long ... ; other error codes come here ... ... 55~sNOT~sOK sleep 30 - hangup - goto once_again ; network overload done :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end ... ... :end exit (I'm not that good in programming.....) Any pointers and other help is greatly appreciated... Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 10:09:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!Radio-MSU.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Date: 28 Feb 1995 10:09:52 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? Thanking you in advance Peter P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email address, because our news stuff here lags several days. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 03:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 03:28:59 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3jgjts$i4s@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:57:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:57:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3jpsth$22k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 12:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar10.081548.528@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:15:48 -0400 References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: >> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i >> know old PCLink could do it. > ------------- > You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and What you may be looking for is control-s for stop scrolling, control-q for start scrolling. That it? JIm /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 23:56:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:56:39 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering : (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to : 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at 38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster might have to do the same. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:44:28 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jh9ts$h0i@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes: >I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively >trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP >test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no >problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing >something here? I had a similar problem. After all I found that C-Kermit will crash when it tries to send characters while it already receives data in a script. Thus, you'll have to ensure that your script doesn't send any commands while there are still characters arriving. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 07:59:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:59:36 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: jzero@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) writes: | But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) | how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit | on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It | only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from | an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a | macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do | this? | thank you in advance I got this from someone else on this newsgroup (don't remember who) to be added to .kermrc : define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 17:40:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:11 -0500 Control: cancel <1995Feb26.184656.24442@lafn.org> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org Subject: cancel Message-Id: <1995Mar4.174043.23707@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:40:43 GMT Approved: news@lafn.org Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from nr -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 21:07:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!freenet.buffalo.edu!ba177 From: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Subject: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:07:52 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit and issue a GET command. 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either do nothing, or hang up my line. How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? --Lawrence. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 21:06:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 21:06:05 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jihrt$mt7@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How come my script commands work fine when I enter them by hand but won't when the script executes them? Is there a timing issue? Do I need to use "expect-send" sequences so that the script knows when to send the next command? My script (or the significant lines) look like: script -- kermit~s~055i~s~055x~s~055e~s1000 get filename.ext This works if I type the command, it doesn't when the script executes. Thanks in advance... racerx From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 22:02:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!news From: Antonio Querubin Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? In-Reply-To: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:59 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. > > However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers > then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil > support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port > using OS/2 services. But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't MS-Kermit? I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:56:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 11 Mar 1995 17:56:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3jso96$53j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > >But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP >as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept >it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't >MS-Kermit? I can't help you here. >I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to >perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in >the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and >C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. The script languages for MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (in the latest versions) are nearly identical. That should not be breaking issue. And where you do have differences they can easily be handled by checking the \v(program) variable. >And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when >I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? >Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I >just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or >with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it >works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. >Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. You don't understand the interactions of the various components. COMTCP works by intercepting the BIOS software interrupts for the COM port. It then calls a DOS Device driver (VDOSTCP.SYS) which in turn is just an interface to a Virtual Device (VDOSTCP.VDD) which then calls a monitor (VDOSCTL.EXE) which eventually speaks to the real IP protocol stack. Great if it works. Obviously it doesn't with MS-DOS Kermit. So if you want to use MS-DOS Kermit what else can you do? Well, Ray Gwinn's SIO package provides several tools. Lets's start with the serial ports. SIO.SYS is an OS/2 serial port driver which can create a virtual COM port which can be monitored by VMODEM.EXE. Anything sent to this virtual COM port will insteadbe redirected to the IP protocol stack via a Telnet session. Now the question is how do you communicate between MS-DOS Kermit and SIO.SYS. Well, there are two interfaces that Ray provides. First is VSIO.SYS which provides a virtualized 16550 UART for the virtual COM port. The second is VX00.SYS, a fossil interface which has zero overhead in communicating with the SIO.SYS driver since it doesn't have to worry about simulating hardware. Now you tell me, which one do you want to use given that MS-DOS Kermit supports both a 16550 and Fossil? I choose the Fossil interface. No overhead, and MS-DOS Kermit will have serial performance equal to OS/2 applications when handling serial devices. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.091510.43993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 09:15:10 MDT References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin writes: > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > >> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. >> >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > > But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP > as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept > it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't > MS-Kermit? This discussion is rather short on informational material and long on complaints. I have not seen COMTCP so I have on idea of what things it does or wants. Suffice it to say MSK does work fine with BIOS ports, and with Int 14h shims of various kinds for various networks. My only guess is COMTCP expects a certain, unstated, sequence of events from the application program before it will work "properly" (whatever that might mean in your situation). Without COMTCP at hand (I have OS/2 2.10 and its TCP/IP stack) there is nothing more I can say on the matter. Further hints would be welcomed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 05:07:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar11.110705.44383@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 11:07:05 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a > 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem > connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. > > Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 > and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, > this happens: > > I type AT > I get ATT or just A > > Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like > ATDDT5551134 > > Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: > > Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and > 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. > No effect. > > Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems > communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. > I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. > But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these > apps. ------------ Gee, I dunno. It it the sending or receiving end, I wonder. If you ATDTnumber and it dials ok yet the screen shows dups then it's the receiving end. In such a case I'd say replace the serial cable with a better and shorter one. I'd also be suspicious of 16550A class UARTs implemented on big square chips because some have noted snafus. Insert here the ususal comments about avoiding hardware conflicts and helpful TSRs, and not configuring the machine for too much speed (wait states, similar), etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 05:02:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.110258.44008@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 11:02:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: > > Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: > > 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server > 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit > and issue a GET command. > 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) > 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). > 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! > I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either > do nothing, or hang up my line. > > How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? > --Lawrence. ------------ Send FINISH to end Kermit protocol mode, then Connect to resume interactive conversation. BYE does FINISH and logs out. It's all in the manual and the HELP screen. Kermit-Lite has no Connect mode so you can't talk interactively through it. It's possible that you or the BBS has turned off recognition of FIN/BYE (a DISABLE command) on their Kermit, and that leaves you with only hanging up your end. If this were the case you'd need to tell the BBS operator to fix their end. So what Kermit were you using on your desktop? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:17:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:17:10 MDT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. > > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. > > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? > > Thanking you in advance > > Peter > > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. > -- > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY --------------- All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and they can't really avoid doing so. The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:18:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: unix kermit server timeout Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091826.44367@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:18:26 MDT References: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it>, Francesco Ruggiero writes: > Hi > > I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). > > How can I set this ? ---------------- Manual time. SET SERVER ? to see options, including timeout. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:21:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:39:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Message-Id: <1995Mar11.092122.44369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:21:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > HELP! > I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a > function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a > user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape > codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter > autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the > screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence > so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just > display it on the screen? Chances are excellent that your host is not sending the ESC byte. Turn on MSK Connect mode debugging by SET DEBUG ON and view the material sent by the host. Or use LOG SESSION to see the bytes in binary form. > P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what > looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to > PRN. Why do I get this screen dump Works ok here. I can't say why you'd get a screenfull of garbage. Any hints? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 02:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.080200.44117@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 08:01:59 MDT References: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), > my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to > break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. > > Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! > > What is the syntax for scripting this??? > > I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p > > but no luck. > > Thanks In Advance, > > racerx --------------- SHOW KEY, press Control-P, see Kermit decimal code \16. This is in the manual and docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 17:57:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Message-Id: References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 09:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 118 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at >38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. >I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster >might have to do the same. Here's a way to speedup SparcStations ability to handle higher data rates on the builtin serial ports. -scott /* 10:03 AM Jul 11, 1994 por adar0@routers.com en igc:comp.sun.admin */ /* ---------- "SunOS patches req'd for PPP/SLIP" ---------- */ Netters, There has been a number of questions over the last several months about the which patches (if any) are required on SunOS 4.1.x systems to make PPP and/or SLIP reliable. I've assembled responses from several individuals and summarized them in the note below. Thanks to all who responded. If there are any questions, please send them via email direct. Enjoy, Rich Adamson adar0@routers.com Sun Workstation OS Patches for Serial Ports ------------------------------------------- Author: Rich Adamson (adar0@routers.com) The Router Exchange, Inc. Date: July 11, 1994 There has been a lot of discussion in various news groups relative to the possible need to apply Operating System patches to SunOS 4.1.x systems in order to have pppd function reliably. The note you are reading should help explain the technical need for these patches. This note applies to all versions of SunOS 4.1.x, including the current shipment of 4.1.3_U1 from Sun. The patch required is: For SunOS 4.1.x systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/100513-04.tar.Z For SunOS 4.1.3_U1 systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/101621-02.tar.Z (Note: These have also been available on cs.columbia.edu /archives/mirror3/sun-patches/100513-04.tar.gz watserv1.waterloo.edu /sun_patches/100513-04.tar.Z) Either patch will require rebuilding the kernel to incorporate the fix. Technical Detail: ----------------- Most of the inservice Sun workstations use a Z85C30 Integrated Circuit to handle built-in serial ports. The Z85C30 generates a system interrupt for each incoming character. Therefore for each baud rate noted in the table below, system interrupts will occur at the following approximate rates: Serial Port Speed Interrupts Occur ----------- ----------------------- 9,600 baud every 1040 microseconds 19,200 baud every 520 " 38,400 baud every 260 " 76,800 baud every 130 " A typical IPC or IPX workstation cannot handle system interrupts any faster than about 19,200 baud while an SS5 workstation is limited to about 38,400 baud. The ability of a system to handle higher baud rates is directly related to the speed of the system processor and other higher priority system level activity. As each incoming character arrives on a Sun built-in serial port, an interrupt is generated by the Z85C30. The system processor responds to this interrupt taking the character from the Z85C30 and placing it in a ring buffer. The ring buffer is essentially emptied by the pppd application, and then passed to whatever application (eg, telnet, ftp, mail) it was destined for. If the built-in serial port is set to a speed that is faster than what the system interrupt structure is capable of handling, silo overflows will occur. If the application (pppd) is not allowed sufficient processing time to empty the ring buffer, then ring buffer overruns will occur. The Request-to-Send (RTS) and Clear-to-Send (CTS) pins on an RS232 serial interface cable are used to provide hardware flow control of OUTGOING data from the Sun to the modem. There are no equivalent pins defined on the RS232 serial interface to provide incoming hardware flow control. Although the patches noted above are often referred to as RTSCTS hardware flow control fixes, the patches actually do not implement any form of incoming "hardware" flow control. Rather the patches deal with the efficiency of handling internal system interrupts and the size of the ring buffer used as temporary incoming data storage. Incoming data flow control (or lack thereof) can be easily seen by initiating a large file transfer into the Sun via the pppd serial port, and while the transfer is occuring, initiate another process to 'find' a file or simply execute a 'df' command to produce other activity on the same system. You will either notice an interruption and long delay in the incoming ftp data, or system logged errors such as the silo overflow and/or ring buffer overruns. The long delay is typically TCP/IP timeouts and error recovery processing. Without the patch, the ppp session can be dropped or blown off-line in unpredicable ways. Summary: -------- Sun workstations running pppd can operate very reliably, however the reliability decreases as the built-in serial port speed increases. This is a function of the SunOS system, not pppd. The best that current 14.4kb async modems with compression can accomplish is about 19.2kb effective throughput, therefore setting a Sun workstation's serial port to 19.2kb is very close to the most efficient speed possible for both the Sun system and modem, with the Sun patches noted above installed. Without the patches, a built-in serial port speed of 7,200 or 9,600 baud is likely to be the maximum speed for reliable operation before TCP/IP retransmissions and silo overflows occur. Your mileage may vary. If speeds above 19.2kb are required, add-on SBus serial cards are available from various sources that can sustain higher baud rates then the built-in ports. This author has no direct experience with these add-on cards. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 07:34:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 13:34:42 MDT References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i > know old PCLink could do it. ------------- You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and not revealed to applications. Kermit does not play systems stealing games to intercept below the keyboard Bios, nor is there a need to do so. Leave it alone is my advice for you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 23:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Date: 8 Mar 1995 23:23:42 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! What is the syntax for scripting this??? I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p but no luck. Thanks In Advance, racerx From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:21:30 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have to do is: 1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another 2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the machine from (1). 3. download a data set. As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 16:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:17:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just display it on the screen? P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to PRN. Why do I get this screen dump |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 02:44:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Message-Id: <1995Mar10.084413.44252@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:44:12 MDT References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system > version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 > keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS > that require these keys > > TIA - Dale ------------- Please do read the documentation, in this case either the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or even the technical file msvibm.vt. Those DEC keys are all keyboard verbs and you can attach them to keys by name, but they are not preassigned to keys in the shipped product. Use SET KEY to tie \Kverbs to keys, use a query mark (?) for a definition to see all the keyboard verb names on-line. The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, which you may acquire from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for file msvibm.zip as a quick-start bundle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 03:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:22:29 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i know old PCLink could do it. thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:30:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: Linux ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:30:28 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: tstevens@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. Ted Stevens -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:42:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:42:30 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, > Michael J. Mettler wrote: >>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') >> > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), > that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, > no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already > tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be > directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >>the same as mine. Any ideas? >> > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > rate. > > - Frank Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:55:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:55:13 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 20:15:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!huia!dunnmj3 From: dunnmj3@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Dunn Michael J) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploads with Zmodem/kermit Date: 9 Mar 1995 20:15:32 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3jnnl4$6uv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Nntp-Posting-Host: huia.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do you get Zmodem (sz/rz) to upload? I have put the line redirecting std input & output to /dev/modem but I cant get it to work .It just hangs ? Im using a Zyxel u-1496 at home running linux dialing into another unix machine. Could I need something in my .kermrc at the server end? Cheers Mike Dunn From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 15:39:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 12 Mar 1995 08:39:48 -0700 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, when i was composing a letter in pine. does this ring a bell with anyone? any advice? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 03:26:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Mar12.092643.44450@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 95 09:26:43 MDT References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu writes: > Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I > would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via > modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. ----------- Tell one Kermit SERVER. That starts Kermit protocol mode listening on the selected communications channel. Please do have a look at the user's manual (HELP screen two) which has lots of explanations of how things work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 11:22:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!berlioz.crs4.it!usenet From: Francesco Ruggiero Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: unix kermit server timeout Date: 10 Mar 1995 11:22:56 GMT Organization: CRS4, Center for Adv. Studies, Research and Development in Sardinia Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: vol.vol.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). How can I set this ? PS:please CC:ruggiero@vol.it -- Francesco Ruggiero =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 21:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:09:45 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, this happens: I type AT I get ATT or just A Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like ATDDT5551134 Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. No effect. Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. Any ideas? Mail me and post here. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 13:25:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 9 Mar 1995 13:25:19 GMT Organization: none-set Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS that require these keys TIA - Dale From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 23:53:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals Date: 12 Mar 1995 18:53:28 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't help much. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k1js9$c3u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have >to do is: >1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another >2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the > machine from (1). >3. download a data set. >As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to >TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, >then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a >data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. >I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script >that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on >my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? > The docs are the printed manual, "Using C-Kermit", which explain exactly what you need to do, step by step. You need to understand each step, as it applies to your particular connection, before you should even think about writing -- or working from -- a script. Somebody else's script does not know the details of your connection. Do it by hand first, and then automate it afterwards. The manual shows you exactly how to do this. Briefly: 1. Start C-Kermit on the first UNIX machine. 2. Tell it to telnet to the second UNIX machine. 3. Log in to the 2nd UNIX machine and start Kermit there. 4. Tell the remote Kermit program to SEND the desired file. 5. Escape back to the first Kermit (Ctrl-\c) and tell it to RECEIVE. For greater detail, please consult the manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:18:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:18:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3k1k86$cmq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system >version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 >keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS >that require these keys > (a) Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14. (b) Read the VT300.DOC and VT300.INI files, which explain the mappings. (c) Since you will undoubtedly want to change things around (no two people like the same key mappings), read the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", about key mapping. (d) VMS WordPerfect comes with MS-DOS Kermit support files which do their own mappings. If you set up VMS WordPerfect according to instructions, it will take care of everything itself. Also read the section on WordPerfect in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the v3.14 MS-DOS Kermit diskette. There are various version dependencies that you should read about. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:27:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:27:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a >486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem >connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. >Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 >and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, >this happens: >I type AT >I get ATT or just A >Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >ATDDT5551134 >Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >No effect. >Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > Thanks. The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. In this case, the reason that Winsock appears to work and Kermit doesn't is that Winsock only delivers error-corrected (by TCP and IP) data, whereas Kermit -- as a serial communications program -- delivers each byte it receives. Of course, you can also run Kermit over a SLIP driver and invoke its own built-in TCP/IP stack. This would eliminate the appearance of errors, but it would not eliminate the errors themselves. However, performance would be quite poor, not only because of the TCP and IP overhead, but also because of the retransmissions that would be required to overcome the errors. Note that the modem's error correction probably has no relevence here, since the errors are evidently originating from outside the connection between the two modems. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:43:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:43:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3k1lmd$end@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Edward Stevens wrote: > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then: make linux which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Type "help" at the C-Kermit> prompt for further info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:49:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, >but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, >i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others >are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently >after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, >when i was composing a letter in pine. > It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but my first four guesses would be: 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the other end of your modem connection. 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host is UNIX based. 4. Noise. So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3k1mp0$g5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, James M. McClain wrote: >I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe >advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there >would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are >really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and >sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so >we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question >here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. > >My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which >come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't >help much. > While you're at it, why don't you recommend that everybody who uses shareware not pay for it? And that everybody who wants to use commercial software steal it from the computer store? Usually both ends are not needed -- usually one manual suffices. Price: $36.95. Proceeds from manual sales are what pay for the software you are using, just as registration fees pay for the work of shareware authors, and retail prices pay for the work of commercial software producers. We appreciate that you study the manuals and docs before posting a question, but that is not true for everybody. We try to "pre-answer" most questions in the manuals and online help and "beware" files. We are perfectly willing to help with other questions that are not answered in those places -- and more often than not, also with ones that are -- as you will see by following this list for any length of time. And most questions that are posted to this list, and that are sent to our email tech support address, and that are called in on the phone, and that are faxed to us... *are* answered in the published documentation. It is not so much to ask that those who use our software help contribute to its continued existence and growth by abiding by our wishes and purchasing the documentation. For questions not covered there, we are happy to provide tech support. And in so doing, we learn which areas need better coverage in future editions of the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:35:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:35:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k1ool$im7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, wrote: >I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I >would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via >modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. > Covered in Chapters 10 and 11 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Basically, put your home modem in answer mode (usually via ATS0=1), put Kermit in server mode or (more dangerously) in CTTY COMx mode. For further details, please read the manual -- it's all there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:04:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!alex.ecs.umass.edu!langlois From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:04:53 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k1mul$ob6@risky.ecs.umass.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: alex.ecs.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : Ted Stevens : -- : >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< : <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> : >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< : <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> I downloaded version 190 (Oct. 94) from kermit.columbia.edu. One of the subdirectories has 'cku190.tar.gz'. The makefile has a couple of linux options..make linux, make linuxftp, etc. I had to edit the makefile (as it mentions) to make it smaller, and I also had to change 'lncurses' to 'lcurses' (also mentioned). If you want a binary, I think sunsite.unc.edu and its mirrors has version 189 in /pub/Linux/apps/comm or someting like that. Phil Langlois From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:18:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:18:44 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k22a4$sch@news-2.csn.net> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, : Gideon Weisz wrote: : >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet : >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my : >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, LINES DELETED HERE : > : It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but : my first four guesses would be: : 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS : flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully : (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the : other end of your modem connection. : 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and : Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is : sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. : 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host : is UNIX based. : 4. Noise. : So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make : sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does : not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. : - Frank Thanks for the suggestions but none of the four guesses happens to be relevant in this case. and now, a worse problem has occurred, which i will post (see 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix?) meanwhile, i will see if i can get help as you suggested, from kermit@columbia.edu Thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix? Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:20:15 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3k22cv$sch@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu using mskermit 3.14 and its hebrew option, i ran into trouble twice while doing www on lynx (though all was fine for a long time, first). i got funny characters on the screen, suddenly, and they stayed even after the modem hung up. they would go away when i got out of the connect mode, but come back whenever i would connect (until i went all the way to dos, and then kermit started normally again). in the connect screen, i could produce this set of characters by striking the usual keyboard keys, so the ascii numbers associated with lowercase letters (97 and on) were producing the weird screen characters. i could produce the very same characters by using the usual ibm keyboard trick (ascii 97, which is normally a, can be produced by pressing alt, and then hitting 9 and 7 on the numeric keypad before releasing alt, etc). pressing "a" produced a vertical shaded rectangle, with shading lines skewed from upper left to lower right "b" produced a rightward arrow c a vertical two headed arrow (up/down) on an underscore d left arrow e down arrow f degree symbol (little circle, high) g plus or minus sign etcetera i know that some of these are normally control characters meanwhile, uppercase letters were fine the range from ascii 128 on (to 155) seemed fine, i noticed and so was the range from 224 on(to 250), i also happened to notice (these two ranges happen to be particularly relevant to hebrew) THE MAIN TWO QUESTIONS: 1) what's the cause and, more importantly... 2) is there any way within a kermit session to get a fresh start? any advice would be appreciated thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:56:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k2823$9br@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick wrote: >Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from >MS-DOS KERMIT? I assume you mean the MAIL subcommand of MSK, which works like SEND, except that it directs the file to be sent off as e-mail upon reception. The answer is yes. The Kermit distribution includes a file called IKCAUX CMD, which includes sample implementations of some Kermit-CMS utilities, including the KERMAIL EXEC that performs the necessary e-mail functions. Tailor it to your needs and install. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 17:37:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 13 Mar 1995 17:37:08 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. Any ideas? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:40:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!news.trw.com!venice!venice!not-for-mail From: rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com (Ron Orr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary file expansion Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Organization: TRW Data Technologies Division, Carson CA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: venice.sedd.trw.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's an interesting problem: When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed the xfer as going on in binary mode. I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? Any suggestions? -- Ronald N. Orr, TRW SEDD, PO Box 3099, Manhattan Beach CA 90266-1099 voice: (310)764-9138 fax:(310)764-3946, rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 20:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!fonorola!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:20:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k29dn$s9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> |> |> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe |> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there |> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are |> really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and |> sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so |> we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question |> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. |> |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. |> |> Mac My experience with the Kermit books is completely opposite to Mr. McClain's. The original book, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is worth the price for its incredibly clear explanations of serial communications. It was published in 1987 so naturally it is no longer the definitive reference for Kermit. "Using MS-DOS Kermit" can be daunting but the only sections I've found obscure are the Appendices. However, these are mostly tables of escape sequences for the various terminal emulations. This is not information that the average user needs to know. However, I consider it a selling point of the book that the information is there for the technician who would otherwise have great difficulty finding these tables. I also have "Using C-Kermit" but have not read that much of it. I have no doubt that it is well-written, I simply haven't needed to refer to it. So based on my experience I conclude that "both ends" are not needed for the average user. Finally, the comment that the manual is "sometimes just plain wrong" is undoubtedly true. However, I have found *very* few outright mistakes from my reading. Most of the inaccuracies are because the books are static whereas, the programs, fortunately for us, continue to evolve. The recent features are covered well in the supplemental ".upd" and ".bwr" files. My recommendation is that anyone responsible for supporting Kermit should buy all three books. Anyone who is impressed by fine technical writing and wants to understand serial communications should buy the original. And anyone who wants to support the Kermit effort or enjoys exploiting the full potential of the software they use should buy either the MS-DOS or the C-Kermit manuals depending on their platform. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 09:33:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 04:33:45 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank gives us more bemusement: Kermit docs make it quite clear that Kermit is not shareware or that a user is somehow obligated to BUY the Manuals (all three of which are needed for both ends for most sysops at $85). Frank seems to through in this spurious argument just to confuse - just as the docs confuse. It would seem that the real reason to be up tight about the purchase of the Mans is that Frank's salary come from the proceeds, not because they are helpful. Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally incomprehensable. What I suggest is that rather than spend time here trying to defend the kermit docs, why not get someone who can write to rewrite them. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 12:06:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Message-Id: <1995Mar13.180643.44641@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Mar 95 18:06:42 MDT References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: > I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe Gee, and all along I thought drones were *supposed* to be constant. Bagpipes and such. Learn something new every day, thanks. > advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there > would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are > really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and > sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so > we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question > here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. I can't comment incisively (sp?) without knowing the item(s) to which you refer. The books are not what I and many others would describe as daunting or more than obscure etc. They do have a few errors, as all docs do, and times change to obsolete some particular features. Those that do vanish are covered in the .UPD and .BWR files issued with each release. > My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which > come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't > help much. You are welcome to advise, of course, and my advice would be the opposite because the users are better off knowing than not knowing. Also, it saves much wear and tear on the readership (including me) to not have to restate the manuals . You can save me playing back the rtfm recording by giving us a tip that you did dig but came back with no treasure. Thanks and no offence taken, Joe D. > Mac From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 12:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!gdt!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: kryten.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:53:13 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >>I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > >> > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with > >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same > >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). > >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem > >>the same as mine. Any ideas? > >> > > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > > rate. > Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around > 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed > files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a > way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. And for good measure I'm using the Sportster 14400 and I acheive 1600 cps going up to 2000 cps for compressible files. This strikes me as a bit slow - is the compression algorithm used really this feeble - most compression algorithms achieve better than x2 compression on my TeX files. Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:54:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary file expansion Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:54:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k475r$kg8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com>, Ron Orr wrote: >When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) >OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, >a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer >using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed >the xfer as going on in binary mode. > >I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found >none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? > A certain BBS implementation of Kermit is known to have this problem. It does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, and is confused by the new negotiation fields in the new Kermit releases, and goes nuts. You *might* be able to work around the problem by telling one or both Kermit programs to use (say) even parity. Better yet, ask your BBS sysop to use MS-DOS Kermit "Lite" to do its Kermit protocol transfers. That's what it's for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 11:00:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!nntp.msoe.edu!MSOE.Edu!harrold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Message-Id: <1995Mar13.170019@MSOE.Edu> From: harrold@MSOE.Edu (David Harrold) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:00:19 CST References: <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Control: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: 155.92.10.4 Lines: 166 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #! rnews 976 Newsgroups: ott.forsale Path: uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!hookup!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ao015 From: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Subject: For Sale: Senators vs Penguins tickets 03/19/95 Message-ID: Sender: ao015@freenet2.carleton.ca (Mark Kerzner) Reply-To: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 01:18:02 GMT Lines: 16 I have 2 tickets for the Senators-Penguins game on Sunday March 19/95. They are in section 18 blue line) at $28.99 each Reply to either ao015@freenet.carleton.ca or to sensfan@magi.com Kerz. -- ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: * Mark Kerzner * : OTTAWA SENATORS : * "KERZ" * : LOUDEST FAN : ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: #! rnews 7800 Path: uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!donald!david From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) Newsgroups: alt.fan.jen-coolest Subject: A Grimm Fairy Tale Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:05:40 GMT Organization: ORGANIZATION? HERE?? You must be kidding!! Lines: 127 Message-ID: <3k2524$76s@newsflash.concordia.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.concordia.ca Here it is; "A Grimm Fairy Tale", the story of a longtime Jen fan who finally got to meet the Jen for whom afjc was named. My trip started in Cambridge (Boston). Since Jen Yuan was in town the same weekend, I left a phone message for her. My intention was to leave a vague message that only she would understand. Unfortunately, it was so vague that they didn't know it was for her. The fact that I didn't know how to pronounce her name didn't help. Next stop Hoboken NJ. After Jen L. performed the herculean task of finding me a parking space in Hoboken, we went to NYC for a mini Jenvention; 2 Jens and 3 Jen fans, not bad, except I prefer the other way around. :) The 5 were myself, Jen L., Jen L.'s David, Jeff Berg, and Jennifah. (sp) For all but Jennifah, this was a warmup for Mardi Gras. The next day I went back to NYC to Jeff Berg's office. Upon returning to Hoboken I found that I had left something rather important in his office; my list of addresses and phone #'s for all the Jens I was supposed to visit! It doesn't take long to get from Hoboken to NYU when you're desperate. ;) Next stop Philadelphia. It's a nice place for a walking tour, since most of the attractions are close together. I took pictures of Jen Y in her TD outfit; those will be among the very few Jen gifs I make. As far as I can remember at the moment, this was the only place where I actually had any ice cream. I bought a couple of small containers of B&J because I don't think you can get that brand here (in containers); I ate it all myself since Jen Y. was recuperating from some leftover Chinese food. Then Washington, where I learned 3 things in my first 2 hours; - Don't drive west along K street - Don't drive west along H street - Don't drive. I met Jenn Biller, but Jen Hill managed to nimbly avoid me. *pout* The next night I stopped in Kingston TN. No Jens in sight! :( Finally I got to New Orleans. I found Jenn A's house right away, but nobody was home, so I spent a couple of hours looking for them. Most of that time they were there, while I was elsewhere searching. At midnight Jenn and most of the others went out to a bar. I decided I wasn't up to it, so I stayed "home", along with Jenn's friend Jenny T; the best decision I made all weekend, since Jenny T quickly became my new favourite Jen (the first time in 15 years that I've had a favourite). Then at 2AM Jenn's friend Mattie, who I was supposed to stay with, picked me up and took me to a bar for a couple of hours and then to her place. Her boyfriend wasn't too happy; "Let me get this straight. It's 2am, you're going to pick up a guy you've never met, take him to a bar, and then take him home to sleep?" I met him the next day and everything was ok, though he still got her to stay at his place the remaing nights, which worked out fine for everyone. Because everyone spent half the night in bars, and we had a bit of trouble finding each other the next day, the day basically started at 3pm. That's when I met Jen Grimm. Jen Grimm, Ron, Jenny T, Jeff, Mattie, and I started for the infamous French Quarter, but the first 3 on that list ended up stopping for hair braids and tatoos. (No, Jen Grimm didn't get a tatoo.) In the French quarter Mattie, the sexy one in the group (wow!), did her best to collect some beads without showing anything, but the guys were being picky. At one point Jeff thought he was going to have to rescue her from 3 marines. In the evening we saw Rex "open" Mardi Gras. Well, we didn't actually "see" anything from where we were standing, but we were there. Rex asked the mayor to approve a list of rules for Mardi Gras; "No school", "No work", etc; fortunately the Mayor, after due consideration, agreed. Later I had my first seafood "Po-boy", and found that the rumours that someone with my sensitive pallette couldn't eat in Louisiana were unfounded. On our way to the restaurant, Jenny T had Jeff and I on her arms and kept bragging to strangers "I have 2 good-looking intelligent men with me and you don't!". I'm not sure why she said that to the women *and* the men that we passed. Did you ever see 2 more intelligent men in your life? No, I was just going to mention that. Later a parade passed by, and I added to my bead collection; previously I only had what the Jens and the woman doing the hair braiding gave me. That's one of the things I noticed about New Orleans; if you speak to complete strangers, they answer. On Mardi Gras itself, it was pouring rain as time for the parade approached. We made our contributions to the local economy by buying umbrellas. I watched the entire parade, and studied the secrets of getting people to throw beads to me, while some of the others stayed at a party eating crawfish. (Interesting things... no strong taste at all, but you burn your tongue if you lick your fingers afterwards because of the spices in the water that stay on the shell.) That afternoon Jenn, her David, Jen Grimm, Ron, and I went to some sort of Indian wedding. However, Jen, Ron, and I soon left and headed for the French quarter for the afternoon. Now, here's the "fairy tale" part. On the way home, walking in the dark along St. Charles which was almost deserted, I felt a touch on my arm and turned to face Jen Grimm. She took my hand and made a gesture. When I didn't understand, she took my other hand, and before I knew it we were dancing. I can't remember ever dancing in my life before, so my first dance *ever* was under the streetlights on St. Charles with Jen Grimm! Could there be a bigger thrill for a Jen fan? :) After that, anything else would be downhill, so I left the next morning. :) I was heading for St. Louis to visit Nifer, and while checking my map I suddenly realized for the first time that I was passing through Memphis. Normally I notice things like that *before* I start the trip. Naturally I went to Graceland, though by the time I waited overnight for it to open I didn't have time to do anything but buy souvenirs. Then in St. Louis I investigated the important issue that was on my mind: "Why hasn't Nifer posted lately?" It turned out that there was a technical reason, we weren't being snubbed after all. :) I visited a favourite non-Jen in Macomb IL, was stood up by another favourite in PEEoria IL, and then found Jen Fausti in Chicago, she already posted about that. In Toledo I saw Jen Radon, and Jenny T who gave me the beads that I'd forgotten in New Orleans. I decided to make a run for the border, i.e. get home from Toledo in one day. I left at 2 PM, stopped briefly in Guelph to see Jen Robertson, and got home at about 4:30 AM. That's a couple of hours later than I expected, due to a snowstorm; the most dangerous trip of my life. At first traffic was slow, then I tried to make up for lost time by driving 60 MPH on a road that I could barely see. I kept the car pointing where I suspected the road was, and fortunately I was right. Well, that's it. I was on the road for 17 days, but it was worth it; I got to meet Jen Grimm *and* my new personal favourite Jen! :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Gaudine, Programmer, EMC Lab Home: (514)481-0837 Concordia University, Loyola Campus, Montreal Work: (514)848-3118 Rarely speaking for anyone important david@donald.concordia.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 07:23:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 14 Mar 1995 07:23:17 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 16:19:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 14 Mar 1995 16:19:54 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. > >Any ideas? Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: In my ini script I have to use a SET COM4
in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 02:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar14.081139.44687@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 95 08:11:39 MDT References: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as > your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be > all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 Wanna bet? Yes, the app has to dig beneath the Bios, trap keyboard interrupts, and fanagle things to fake a visible key. > systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is > dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. > anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 15 00:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:13:44 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k5bfo$r6q@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (James M. McClain) writes: >Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most >of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are >poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need >this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, >please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally >incomprehensable. Perhaps the problem is with your comprehension and not with the docs????? Just out of curiosity, could you name a manual that you do find satisfactory? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 14:54:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu (Alex Hamlin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing rotation. Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:54:42 GMT Organization: MHRI Lines: 9 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[6196]@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 194.186.med.umich.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.5@194.186.med.umich.edu Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it (MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial a second and a third before returning to the first. -B.S. -- I don't speak for anyone but me and occasionally I don't even get to do that. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 19:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing rotation. Date: 15 Mar 1995 19:03:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3k7dlm$4t3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Alex Hamlin wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with >kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it >(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial >a second and a third before returning to the first. > Make a copy of your dialing script under a different name, such as "mydial.scr". Modify this copy of the dialing script to only dial once, and to set a variable indicating the failure reason. For example, at the top of the dialing script, add: define mystatus and then change the BUSY section from whatever it is now, such as: :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 60 seconds if tries used up. Echo Busy or No Carrier, will dial again in 30 seconds... echo Press any key to cancel... hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. to something like: :BUSY define mystatus BUSY end 1 Then you can dial like this: set modem mydial ; Use special dialing script :LOOP dial 7654321 ; Try first number if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP ; or whatever... dial 8765432 if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP dial 9876543 if fail goto LOOP :OK This is just one of many possible ways to do this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 03:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!vnham From: vnham@socs.uts.edu.au (Vi Nham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem hangup?? Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:12:55 GMT Organization: School of Computing Sciences, UTS Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: linus.socs.uts.edu.au Summary: ZModem hangup while downloading from unix to ms-dos Keywords: Zmodem Problem X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everyone, I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with no success. The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). and I am login at 12000 baud. The problem I have is it hang up after the pc detect it is about to receive a file using zmodem protocol. The pc just wouldn't receive anymore packet from the unix end. I am using " sz -be -vvv test.exe " on the unix side to send the file. -be --> send binary file and escape all control character. -vvv --> capture the debug message to file. Here is the capture debug message found in the unix side. (after the transmission has been abort.) ================================================================== sz 3.18 12-07-91 for V7/BSD mode:1 Countem: 000 test.exe 1105 countem: Total 1 1105 zshhdr: f 4 ZRQINIT 0 Retry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for test.exe Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=2 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 mode:0 ====================================================================== The error seem to complain about the path not found?? Can someone help me with this please? Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? Thanks in advance for any suggestion, Vi From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 06:11:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: <1995Mar15.121124.44888@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 12:11:24 MDT References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU>, vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: > Hi everyone, > > I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > > I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with > no success. ---------- Perhaps you have chosen the wrong News group. This one is about Kermit, not zmodem. While you are here, however, may we recommend you try Kermit on both ends of the link; they work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 14:31:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:38:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit challenge Date: 15 Mar 1995 14:31:51 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 43 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I'm getting the manual, really. Should arrive soon. But I suspect I might have a hard time finding out what the information I want. I'm not even sure if its possible. What I want to do is: 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation 3. hit return (with the script) 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... 5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) 6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. 7. login, password, upload a request file 8. wait, wait, wait 9. escape back and open kermit to receive files 10. cleanly quit and smile. At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" service, and is moy only modem pool connection. Can someone explain how to do the above? How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 01:58:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 07:58:55 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: > >>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. >> >>Any ideas? > > Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: > In my ini script I have to use a > SET COM4
> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this > setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt > from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. > Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all > is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have > to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does > excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this > is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( > > Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. ------------- When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two devices using the same IRQ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 00:27:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:27:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k80l9$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >What I want to do is: > >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Instead of using TELNET, use SET NET TCP, SET HOST This will leave in Command/Script mode >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. > >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 22:19:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 17:19:13 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 16:09:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:09:04 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k73f0$slc@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: |> In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: |> |> >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to |> >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under |> >Windows and the Norton desktop: ... details deleted... |> > |> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: |> In my ini script I have to use a |> SET COM4
|> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this |> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt |> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. |> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all |> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice.... details deleted... I wish I had a solution for you but I don't. At Queen's, the biggest source of frustration with Kermit is its inability to work under Windows. More precisely, it works just dandy for many Windows users but we get a significant number of weird situations like the one Christopher describes. I'm sorry to say that the Beware file has not really helped in these cases. If the Kermit team has any additional hints they would be greatly appreciated. As it stands I often end up giving up and having the user accept that he/she just can't run Kermit under Windows. It is very frustrating for everyone concerned. Particularly since many of these users ask, "But why does program XYZ work with my modem when Kermit can't". I don't have an answer for them. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 23:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:05:19 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3k7rrf$25m@panix.com> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, Mike Smith wrote: > >Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so >we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and >rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more >to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? I believe (and it's only a memory) that Windows can't hack having a COM4 unless it also knows about COM3! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 05:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:57:41 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit and zmodem transfers. I just performed the following little experiment: I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 and the PC dir also gives 5103. BUT Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC dir gives 4999. IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length and kermit did not. Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more definitive experiment. TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 07:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 07:11:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: > >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 >and the PC dir also gives 5103. >BUT >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC >dir gives 4999. > >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length >and kermit did not. Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between different types of systems. When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF combination. Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between two different systems. Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to support VMS specific File types. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 03:51:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!winternet.com!host-31.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:19:38 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: host-31.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) writes: >What I want to do is: >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Don't use telnet here. Use set host {hostname} instead. Then input and output commands work fine. Telnet is an internal macro for set host... and connect. >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. >Can someone explain how to do the above? >How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? >A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 12:31:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:31:15 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:28:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:28:42 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: Zmodem Problem References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: >Hi everyone, > >I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > >I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with >no success. > >The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). >and I am login at 12000 baud. Most ZMODEM programs will not operate over a 7-bit link. Either you must use ZMODEM-90(Tm) or choose another protocol such as Kermit. However, unless you download mostly text files you will not be happy with the throughput over a 7-bit link. Even ZMODEM-90 PACK-7 mode is about 20% slower on compressed files than an 8 bit link would allow. So you might investigate running the link at 8 bits. In many cases the fact that you log in at 7e1 does not mean you are constrained to a 7-bit link. You may simply have a poor ZMODEM on your DOS machine. Try ZCOMM and see what happens. The ZCOMM files are available on Compuserve SCOFORUM, UNIXFORUM, IBMCOM, Genie IBM PC RT, TeleGodzilla 503-621-3746, or ftp Oak.oakland.edu: pub/msdos/zmodem: zcommdoc.zip zcommexe.zip zcommhlp.zip The newest FTP site is ftp.cs.pdx.edu (131.252.20.12). The pub/zmodem directory contains the largest and most up-to-date collection of RZ/SZ, DSZ, GSZ, ZCOMM and Professional-YAM files of any FTP site. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:56:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Date: 16 Mar 1995 13:56:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3k9g21$o90@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Holmes wrote: >I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup >PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem >to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? > The VT220 does not have an END key. Maybe you are confusing the VT220 with a PC running software (like MS-DOS Kermit) to emulate a VT220? If so, then maybe you mean the function that makes a rolled-back screen go back down to the bottom? If so, the answer is no. Rollback in Mac Kermit is accomplished with the mouse and scrollbar. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:22:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:22:08 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christoph Gartmann (gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) wrote: : Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: : In my ini script I have to use a : SET COM4
: in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this : setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt : from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. : Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all : is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have : to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does : excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this : is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Even if this works, I expect to return to DOS most of the time. MSK runs perfectly at 57.6 kbps under DOS, but it loses characters under Windows unless I slow it down. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 01:20:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 07:20:09 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides > |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows > |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and > |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. > > This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication > with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit > until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not > Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so > we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and > rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more > to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? ------------ Fellas, this is a Windows configuration problem. Mr. Gates & Co make lots of money selling Windows, and rumors have it that they even offer Tech Support for the product. For those unable to wait and wait on the T.S. phone line there is always the alternative of using Windows to configure the serial port to match the hardware. The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood (COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:30:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:30:46 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vi Nham (vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote: : Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with : 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? As I read the docs, yes. Kermit is the only standard protocol that runs over 7-bit links. However, some connections switch to 8-bit automatically when you need it. You don't mention running zmodem on your ms-dos machine. You aren't expecting MS-Kermit to receive the zmodem download, are you? (I'll omit the obvious question of why use zmodem when Kermit is already running.) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:39:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:39:43 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brian D. Schieber (schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote: : What I want to do is: : 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation : 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation : 3. hit return (with the script) : 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... : At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. : I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit : session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" As a non-wizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "disconnected from my kermit session." What message do you get? Are you sure the network variables are correct for telnetting? Does it work when you type in the commands instead of running the script? -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 15:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 08:08:23 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>I get ATT or just A >>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>ATDDT5551134 >>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>No effect. >>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. >The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was supposed to be echoed back. From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). >On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting duplicated or garbled up. Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean that there is something WRONG with the UART? -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 16:31:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:31:43 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chris Holmes (chrish@westminster.ac.uk) wrote: : I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup : PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem : to get a key to work as END. : Any suggestions? Forgot to say, its Mac Kermit 189. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 23:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 23:48:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kaioi$bgc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >... >Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 >(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the >computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added >that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems >at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all >running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > >Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART >on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to >do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that >will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean >that there is something WRONG with the UART? > Anything is possible. There are a lot of supposedly buffered UARTs that don't buffer at all (much discussion of this in comp.dcom.modems, q.v.). But you didn't say whether Kermit works now that you upgraded your system and SYSTEM.INI. Windows hides the actual UART from the application, and presents it with a "virtual" (simulated) UART. Kermit gets to see whatever Windows lets it see. Type SHOW COMM in Kermit, and see if reports FIFO (buffering) capability for the port. If not, then Windows is hiding the UART's 16550nes from Kermit. The second question is: Does Kermit work well under plain DOS, no Windows loaded? If Kermit works well under DOS but not under Windows, then you'll have to start digging through you Windows configuration files in even greater detail than you have already. Even then, it is unlikely to work as well or as fast, since, under Windows, everthing -- screen writes, port i/o in particular -- is virtualized and simulated and thus carries a of overhead. I.e. Kermit doesn't have the whole computer to itself, as it does in DOS. Kind of like the difference between driving on a wide-open deserted highway and the Long Island Expressway at rush hour... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 22:25:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 16 Mar 1995 17:25:40 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kadt5$t03@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: edit \windows\system.ini Search for the [386Enh] section Add the following line COM3IRQ=-1 I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. So in my case, the file looked like this: COM3IRQ=-1 COM4Base=02E8 COM4IRQ=5 Note that I could have added all three lines with EDIT and avoided the Control Panels...Ports interface. One final observation: Joe is right that this is a Windows configuration problem, not a Kermit configuration problem. But I suspect that several users at my University are badmouthing Kermit because of this Windows problem. I think a few lines should be added to kermit.bwr alerting others of this Windows snafu. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 21:05:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Re: Linux ? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:05:26 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > >Ted Stevens > >-- You can get it at the same place where it is available for other systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 00:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 17 Mar 1995 00:35:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kalgd$7eb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Green (jmgreen@pilot.njin.net) wrote: : I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit : and zmodem transfers. Two things that I have noticed in changing file sizes, and I can't remember which protocol was involved (Kermit or ZModem). If you transfer a file from UNIX to MSDOS, and transfer in the "text" mode, the output will be padded by some number of CRLF in place of LF in the original file, whether _you_ think the original was binary or not. On UNIX: wc /bin/ls 96 440 13352 /bin/ls After transferring in a "text" mode, ls would grow to 13448, because there appear to be 96 lines in it. It also wouldn't work any more ;-( The other oddity that I have seen is a padding to modulo 512. I think that it was ZModem that was doing this. This would leave ls as 13824. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 11:24:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: <1995Mar16.172407.45066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 17:24:07 MDT References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit > and zmodem transfers. > > I just performed the following little experiment: > > I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX > I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS > I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix > Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 > and the PC dir also gives 5103. > BUT > Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC > dir gives 4999. > > IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length > and kermit did not. > > Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more > definitive experiment. > > TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu ------------- Most likely you got involved with binary versus text mode transfers. If the file were really text then each of the transfer steps should have used text as it's "mode." Text mode is stored differently on every machine so file size is strictly a local value. But if some steps used binary mode then raw bytes come across the wire and the "record boundaries/end of line indicators" may/will be all wrong. For example, Unix uses LF as eol indicators, DOS uses CR/LF, VMS typically implies CR/LF for text, and so on. It's up to you to choose the mode since there is no certain way of distinguishing pure text from data of some kind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 01:36:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 17 Mar 1995 01:36:56 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3kap3o$i1l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James M. McClain says: |If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - |totally incomprehensable. That's an understatement--he must've gone to school somewhere to write as obtusely (and narcissticly) as he does. Yeechang "Loyal Kermit user, and not just because I work for AcIS" Lee -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee |Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 05:26:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <2594@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 17 Mar 95 05:26:42 GMT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: | > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: | > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily | > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver | > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if | > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). | > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and | > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. | > | > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained | > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under | > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for | > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast | > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works | > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works | > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. | > | > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? | > | > Thanking you in advance | > | > Peter | > | > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email | > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. | > -- | > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de | > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 | > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 | > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY | --------------- | All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be | since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local | wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect | duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and | they can't really avoid doing so. The original poster is not asking that ARPs not be used. He is asking that applications not foolishly assume that they will never see their own broadcasts. Or at least that the resulting erroneous message not be fatal. | The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that | simple. The local echoing is not stupid at all. There has long been confusion about whether clients of various network interface standards will see their own transmissions. In some cases no loopback occurs and in others unicast packets are looped while broadcast packets are not. The choice is often left to the indivudual hardware driver. NDIS3 resolves the issue once and for all by declaring that a client will see any packet that it transmits if that packet is acceptable to the current filter. In other words, the fact that you sent the packet will not influence whether you receive it. Unfortunately, programs like kermit don't even bother to check the hardware source address of received packets before complaining that someone has stolen their IP address. (Now that *is* a bit stupid.) But fear not. To accommodate programs that insist on such silly assumptions, the latest version of ndis3pkt has an option (enabled by default) to hide a program's own broadcasts from itself. This should restore peace to the post-3.14 kermit world... Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:20:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:20:00 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kbk80$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides >a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows >applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and >then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Please note that I wrote: >>>Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, >>>too. Thus, I did configure COM4 under windows! That's why I can use COM4 together with the MS terminal program shipped allong with Windows (VT52 & VT100). > Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set >regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two >devices using the same IRQ. Under Windows there doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem, the same under DOS. And under DOS started from within Windows there is one but only the first time I call Kermit. Exiting Kermit and just entering Kermit again makes the "IRQ-problem" disappear... Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:29:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:29:12 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>,<1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic to me... Hoping for some insight Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:26:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:26:14 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit the way that C-Kermit does? I would like to implement the 'pcsend' and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros, but so far haven't figured out if this is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:33:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:33:26 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45v6$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. I have to say that I find the manuals to be both clearly-written and helpful with regard to learning Kermit. The "Using C-Kermit" book in particular has lots of good information which would be difficult to find elsewhere. "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is somewhat out of date by now, but I still found it to be a useful reference as well as a good introduction to data communications programming concepts. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 12:28:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com (Theo CHINO) Subject: The Cyberspace Homeless Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: Cyberspace & humans being Hello Cyberspace, Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:28:02 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As I was browing the net today, I came to the conclusion that I should put these disclaimers. 1) This is not a scam. 2) I am not going to repost this again. 3) This is really a true story. 4) My real name is Theo CHINO This morning I tried to send this message. I failed. I got reminded by the people at Netcom that requesting money in the Internet was not allowed. Is that not against the principle of free enterprise? Let put it that way, I am selling a service which is "nothing" for the price of a dollar and a stamp. My name is Theo Chino, and I have a story to tell. My story is at http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo. I didn't want to put it on the Net, but desperation made me do so . My problem is that I am going insane for something I did several years ago. I am in trouble. I have a stack of bill that I can not pay. I have no job. My profession doesn't believe in me. So I became a homeless bump on information Superhiway. In a sense, I am proud to be a homeless on the Internet. I might be raising some issues. Because this message will be posted in most of the groups, I ask you, I beg you, Moderator, to let this message on your newsgroup. I am asking you to be open, a let me do this request for help. You might want to insult me because I am disturbing the peace and tranquillity of the place, but this is not intended as a flame. If you want to insult me, please email me. If you want to help, please email me. If you have a question, please email me. Today, I just got one of my phone line cut because I did not pay a deposit. Next week I will get my Internet account pull out, and so on. You might ask why I can not get a regular job and pay my bills like everyone else. The only jobs I can hold is as a clerk making $7.00/hr. I hold no diploma because I couldn't finish the University. I can not work in the computer field because one of my reference decided that I wasn't good enough. So he burn me in this town. I can not start any idea because nobody will ever give me a loan. I can not get food stamps because I do not work at a regular job. What I know is that I don't want to be a store clerk all my life. A I ask I for a little compassion and a dollar 34 to allow me to get back on my tracks. Thanks for letting me expressing my views. The Cyberspace Homeless. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * | Theo CHINO * | 814 Ivy Street - Box 593, Anchorage, AK 99501 * | theo@netcom.com theo@mail.nlis.com * * | http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo * * | 'A POOR lost exiled french in the Last Frontier' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 14:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:16:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >the way that C-Kermit does? > The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. >I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... > Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was the "old way", which no longer works. See the KERMIT.BWR file for details. The new way is to send actual Kermit commands embedded in APC escape sequences. >...but so far haven't figured out if this >is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem >to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and >Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. > Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 02:36:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar17.083617.45115@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 08:36:17 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>>I get ATT or just A >>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>>ATDDT5551134 >>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>>No effect. >>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > >>The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >>or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. > > I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the > missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. > I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was > supposed to be echoed back. > > From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the > cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). > >>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. > > I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had > PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows > I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the > data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting > duplicated or garbled up. > > Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 > (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the > computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added > that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems > at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all > running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > > Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART > on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to > do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that > will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean > that there is something WRONG with the UART? ------- Doran, From all you've told us I draw the conclusion that your motherboard's UART is broken. If it really does 16550A emulation then Kermit and Windows would use it with no problem. But if it pretends to be a 16550A but fails to operate correctly then both programs will get caught; this appears to by the case at hand. My suggestion is insert a regular serial board in the machine to double check that it will work fine. Also don't overtune the hardware and thus cause system bus problems. FIFO control is done by each application program needing the serial port; there is no supplementary driver nor TSR etc that will or even could help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 16:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!mitel!usenet From: colin_howell@mitel.com (Colin Howell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question....Is kermit freeware??? Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:26:09 GMT Organization: Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3kcd71$g6r@mitel.mitel.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: apps_sw.mitel.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help? I dare say this is a FAQ so I appologise in advance. After talking with several people I still don't have a definitive answer. I am looking for a copy of Kermit or the source that can be compiled to run on a unix platform running Interactive 4.0 / 4.1. I would like to distribute this free with an application to enable me to carry out remote maintenance. It may be that there are several versions of kermit some of which are freeware I really don't know, if someone can answer this question and possibly point me in the right direction with an ftp address I would be most grateful. Thanks for your time Colin -- ========================================================================== Colin "B" Howell | Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) +44 1753 816300 | Applications Support Group | Email: Colin_Howell@Mitel.Com | ====My Thoughts, Opinions And Views Are Entirely My Own....Honest!==== From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 20:43:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:43:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, >Randy D Anderson wrote: >>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >>the way that C-Kermit does? >> >The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. > >>I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... >> >Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was >the "old way", which no longer works. In fact, the CMS Kermit distribution includes a file of sample EXEC's called ikcaux.cmd -- this contains, among other things, an obsolete version of a PC EXEC, using TERMINALS, that incorporates both SEND and GET functions. The only reason it hasn't been upgraded is that no one has complained yet. >Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, >files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to >use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. ... or use EXEC 2 if you prefer. Both have mechanisms for invoking Kermit subcommands directly. John From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:00:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:00:10 GMT Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Netcom news admin request this cancel From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 00:00:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!lionel.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 00:00:02 GMT Organization: Sungard Financial Systems Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of MS-DOS Kermit. I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original log file. Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; sometimes it does not. Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the program more consistently. Any ideas on why we're seeing such flaky results? Any suggestions? Thanks!! marci -- -- marcik * "No one can take this away from me The martyrs and madmen I learned of in school Will remember my name" -- Kevin Gilbert * From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 18 01:33:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM4 Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:33:10 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to get help for several months, but it has not been forthcomming. Private correspondence with JRD and a carefull reading of the .BWR file seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (ie a UART), if there is BIOS assigns the logical name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and like wise if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8. The docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART at 03e8, but there is at 02e8, thern BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is this what they say??? Do you believe it??? Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the manuals??? Best wishes ....... Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:20:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 21:20:18 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. > > Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial > card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to > configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran > the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), > only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt > and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it > again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic > to me... ---------------- The insight has already been written up in the MSK release docs. But one more time, the bare essentials of the problem. COMx is a logical name used for convenience and means the x'th serial port. It does NOT mean a particular port and IRQ value. The Bios looks for serial ports at \03f8 and \02f8 and if found fills in those port addresses to a table. First found first filled in. The four table entries available represent COM1...COM4. Only a few BIOS' search beyond these two addresses, hence COM3 and COM4 table slots are empty. A number of modem comms programs provide a table of COMx selections together with port and IRQ numbers. Associations like this are strictly up to the author of the program, and now you know why. What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. Very very few programs can deduce IRQ usage. MSD and friends do not, and all they show are the "common" usages with no testing to check. MS-DOS Kermit can deduce, but restricts itself to IRQ 4 and 3 only to preserve the safety of your machine. No two boards may share an IRQ; only one device per IRQ even if the device is "unused." From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers cut looking at all the boards in detail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:22:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:22:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kf1be$s4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of >MS-DOS Kermit. > I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. >After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script >which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the >output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then >transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command >line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original >log file. > Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program >which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output >makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; >sometimes it does not. > Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit >transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows >down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the >program more consistently. > Merci for the report, Marci. The problem is that the TRANSMIT command also reads stuff back, searching for echos, linefeeds, prompts, and suchlike, and is therefore likely to absorb the thing you are looking for before you get a chance to see it. Instead of using TRANSMIT, you should simply OUTPUT the line. OUTPUT sends stuff without reading anything back. The INPUT and OUTPUT commands are specifically designed for synchronized interactions like this. - Frank O'Cruz (one day late for St. Patricks day...) x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...about problems using COM4... >Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs >before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the >manuals??? > Jim is frustrated by the exact same thing that is frustrating countless people all over the world: the junky architecture of the PC and its add-ons. He is dissatisfied with our documentation on the subject, particularly the KERMIT.BWR file section on COM3/COM4 and internal modems. I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We all know it's way up in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Are PCs really making us more productive? It's an interesting question, a topic for some other newsgroup, but personally, I doubt it. If PCs are supposed to be for ordinary people, then how on earth do we expect ordinary people to content with address and interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, buggy internal modems, memory management, and all the rest? I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to PCs, yet it took me over a month to get my IBM PS/VP working with Ethernet board, CD-ROM drive, and one (not two) COM ports. Forget about sound boards, internal modems, serial mice, joysticks, ... We do our best to figure out this mess and explain it to people, and I believe we have done more and better than most. If anybody has additional information or other suggestions about this sort of thing, feel free to contribute. For example, the item from Mike Smith the other day, showing how to tell Windows that you had no COM3 even though you did have a COM4 was extremely helpful, and we have added it to the KERMIT.BWR file. The BWR file is dense, I know. Eventually it will be "humanized" and folded into a new edition of the book. People would like to look in the BWR file and find step-by-step procedure to solve their own particular problem. Unfortunately that is not possible because there is an infinite number of such problems, so you'll have to learn the underlying principles and problems and then apply that knowledge to the problem at hand. That's what we have tried to do. All suggestions for improvement are welcome. Jim, hang in there. It's not easy, it's frustrating, but it CAN be done. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 18:56:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 18:56:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3kfadf$atf@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody : was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time : and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We And the false trails followed after a "diagnostic", like MSD, tells a user that certain things are true. With regards to IRQ, the MSD.EXE might as well be hypertext, it doesn't know much, if anything, about the hardware, especially if MSD is invoked from a DOS shell under Windows. The "first found, first used" algorithm works well, making a modem strapped for COM4 usable in a PC that has one or two existing comm ports. Blind Luck, and the best that a modem manufacturer can do. The "unused" IRQ for the other COM2 seems to live quietly, running a different terminal emulator, not simultaneous with Kermit. I don't trust the setup, but the user involved is happy. In order to get PCPlus^H^H^H^H^H another comm program to use Com4, he has to run MSKermit first ;-). Actually, I scarfed some comms utility from somewhere that pokes the BIOS for him, but MSKermit worked, although it whined a little about the address/IRQ being requested, on first execution. When users tell me that MSKermit won't work with XXX, but the amazing, wonderful, whats-its-name package will, I suggest to them that they are running on borrowed time, and please don't process any financial data ;-) Later you find that it "works fine", except for the occasional lockup. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 12:39:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!box!fel From: fel@eunet.be (Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 12:39:36 GMT Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.Belgium.EU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: box.eunet.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. Can someone help? I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UP version 9.0 This is my .kermrc file: set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 19200 set file type binary set parity none set block-check 1 set duplex full set flow-control none set modem-dialer hayes log session kermitlog connect Afterwards I type ATDT plus the phone number. I get a normal CONNECT 19200 message but afterwards nothing happens. I can't type any signs (the cursor doesn't move) and I don't see any characters from the remote computer. With a PC I have no problems in communicating using the settings 8N1. With the HP computer, but using the communication program "cu" there are no problems either... Does anyone have an idea? -- =========================================================================== Flandra Esperanto-Ligo, eldonanto de Monato, internacia magazino sendependa internacia libroservo (retaj mendoj akceptataj) - eldonejo Frankrijklei 140, B-2000 Antwerpen, Belgio Internet: fel@eunet.be - CompuServe 100272,1601 =========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:00:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:00:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3khnut$s00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net>, Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw wrote: >I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. >I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UX version 9.0... >This is my .kermrc file...: > I have the EXACT SAME configuration here and it works perfectly. You are probably running the ancient version of C-Kermit that HP distributed with HP-UX 9.0. My suggestion: get the current release of C-Kermit, which knows a LOT more about HP-UX than the old one did: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make hpux90 (restricted bundled compiler) or: make hpux90o700 (unbundled optimizing compiler) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. If you have any trouble with the new version, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:17:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 15:17:46 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank, thank you for your kind sympathy expressed in you response to my recent post re COM4........but you didn't answer the question: A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 (where COM2 would normally be found. The Kermit docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Is this true?????????????? If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal with this eventuality????????????? Sorry for the double spacing --- I hate emacs!!! Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 20:53:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3ki5kc$cls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...but you didn't answer the question: > >A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private >correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: > >When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if >there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, >BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then >looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, >it assigns the logical name COM2. > Yes, but... we're talking about the IBM BIOS, and since the early 80s, every PC clone maker has had to "reverse engineer" the IBM BIOS, so there can be no guarantees that every single one of them does it exactly the same way. >However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at >02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 >(where COM2 would normally be found. > Yes, that's what we say in KERMIT.BWR, verified by reality checks on real hardware -- but obviously we have not checked every PC clone that has ever been made. >The Kermit docs >further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other >serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then >BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead >of COM4. Is this true?????????????? > No. Most BIOS's do not go beyond COM2. The IBM PS/2 BIOS was an exception, but the poor PS/2 is now "discredited" because (I venture to say) the quality was too high, the design was too good. (OK, OK, there were some marketing and price issues...) >If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal >with this eventuality????????????? > They simply use hardwired addresses and IRQs for COM1-4, and forge ahead. Sometimes they provide a menu that lets you change these items, sometimes not. As we try real hard to point out, this is not necessarily a good approach, because if the hardwired default address and IRQ are not good guesses, and in fact belong to some other device, all sorts of terrible things could happen. And please remember that ALL ports above COM2 are, by definition, configured in a nonstandard way BECAUSE (outside of the PS/2) THERE IS NO STANDARD. Kermit software will err on the side of safety, so sometimes you have to do a little bit of extra work to make it use COM3 and COM4. However, we do try to be nice -- we assume the most widely used addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4 (and we even take into account whether the machine is a PS/2 or not), but we TEST THEM FIRST to make sure we really have UARTs there. The test is a safe (nondestructive) test, and if it fails there is definitely something amiss -- or at least *different* -- in your PC configuration, and then you have to figure out what's wrong and fix it. All the things we talk about in the KERMIT.BWR file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 23:15:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!isiew From: isiew@lis.pitt.edu (Ivan Siew) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:15:57 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.lis.pitt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only holds the assembly version. Thanks -- ------------------------------- - Ivan Siew isiew@lis.pitt.edu http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:22:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:22:50 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: jzero@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, | Jim Green wrote: | > | >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX | >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS | >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix | >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 | >and the PC dir also gives 5103. | >BUT | >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC | >dir gives 4999. | > | >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length | >and kermit did not. | Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently | file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between | different types of systems. | When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode | therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF | combination. | Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you | might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between | two different systems. | Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to | support VMS specific File types. On a related note, does anyone know why when using sz from unix and then using sz from dos on the same binary file, one gets two different file sizes ?? For example, if I sz a zipped file onto unix, unzip works fine. But if I copy that file to dos, pkunzip freaks out saying the file is corrupted. So I have to sz the file directly into dos using the dos version of sz. Then of course pkunzip works fine after I download the file. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 02:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!phoenix.net!pana From: pana@phoenix.net (Chuck Witbeck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: connect 28800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 00:20:42 Organization: Phoenix Data Systems Lines: 5 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.3.234.81 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a USR Sportster 28.8. When I use connect I get a good connection. When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 07:51:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:24 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.infosystems.www.users,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Browser For Online Documentation Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:51:49 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.hypertext:7993 comp.infosystems.www.users:21445 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2298 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Posted to alt.hypertext, comp.infosystems.www.users, and comp.protocols.kermit.misc.] I want to create online documentation of processes that are run interactively from the MS-DOS prompt for the benefit of the users who run them. I want this documentation to be readily available and easily summoned, much like a UNIX man page. But unlike a man page, I'd like this documentation to be non-linear and intuitive (i.e., hypertext). Because I'm currently learning HTML, and because the World Wide Web is the preeminent hypertext application, it makes sense to use a Web browser for the purpose I've just described. Is there a simple Web browser for MS-DOS that I could use as a hypertext reader? Ideally, this is what I would do: o Compile Lynx for MS-DOS. Not DOSLYNX, which is a TurboVision- based clone, but the "real" UNIX/VMS Lynx browser (which I presume uses curses), with "vi keys", etc. o Use a good VT-series terminal emulator like MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 as the "interface" (if that's what one would call it). o Seamlessly integrate the two utilities and automate the process of invoking them simultaneously. o Create my online help as HTML documents, accessible from a local "home page" on our NetWare file server. Well, do you see where I'm coming from? Am I pipe dreaming? Is any of this even remotely possible? If not, can you suggest a solution that IS possible? Any hints or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 11:21:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Thanks for the help... Date: 20 Mar 1995 03:21:25 -0800 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kjofl$4tq@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Summary: Much appreciated. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A few weeks back I posted to this forum regarding an attempt to connect TO a U**X system FROM an IBM mainframe. Although this wasn't a case where a Kermit flavor existed to solve the problem (so far as I can tell), I received many helpful responses via email and this group. With the help of these combined insights, I was able to point someone in the direction of a utility which, I am told, has made connection possible. I didn't get around to replying to these responders before other projects got away with my time. So to one and all... Thanks! I was pleased, but not surprised, by the response I got to the question I posted; this forum exemplifies how a community can develop on the Net to support an idea or issue -- or high-quality software. To me the idea of Kermit "itself" is inseparable from the support infrastructure -- the books on one hand, the active Kermit community on the other. I don't know of any other software which thrives on such a synergy of users, developers &c., except possibly such grass-roots platforms as Linux &c. Well, I'm wasting bandwidth. But I thought some positive feedback couldn't hurt. Keep up the good work people! -- Mail: Web: -- Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. -- Edward Gibbon, 1776 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 13:46:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:46:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3kk0v7$qtb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Ivan Siew wrote: >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. > No. Strange though it may seem, MS-DOS Kermit is written mostly in assembler. There is no MS-DOS Kermit written in C. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 14:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: connect 28800 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3kk1sg$sbv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Witbeck wrote: >I have a USR Sportster 28.8. >When I use connect I get a good connection. >When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds > to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? > This is such a Frequently Asked Question that it is time to add it to our FAQ, ftp:/kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. (15) WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32BIS (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)" Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit". To recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400, that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful connection, and change their interface speed to match. Thus, the communication software would also have to change its own interface speed, or else the user would see only garbage. Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the modulation speed. The interface speed can be kept constant even though the modulation speed changes. Or not, depending on how the modem is configured. Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800" (or whatever) message. By default, for compatibility with the huge installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes its interface speed according to the CONNECT message. So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to change its interface speed by giving it the command: SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as 14400 and 28800. Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or 28800). But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked. You would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change speed" message. See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 15:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: survey Message-Id: <1995Mar20.112959.36035@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 20 Mar 95 11:29:57 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 115 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@moon.sba.dal.ca Sat Mar 18 22:01:58 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:48:56 AST From: OLIVIA TSANG To: ctsang@is.dal.ca Subject: survey From: MOON::CTSANG "OLIVIA TSANG" 18-MAR-1995 21:45:47.72 To: CTSANG CC: Subj: survey QUESTIONNAIRE - COMPUTER AND ENTERTAINMENT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi all internet users! My name is Olivia. I am doing a study on how people use computers to entertain themselves. I would like to know how do you use computer to (e.g. play computer games) entertain yourself. How so these computer entertainment activities affect you both positively and negatively? Please note also: *Questionaire answers will be kept confidentically; * This questionaire will be posted for 8 days so please be sure to send me the answers before March 26, 1995. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FILLING OUT THIS QUESTIONAIRE. YOUR ANSWERS ARE IMPORTANT TO MY STUDY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check the appropriate box and fill in the appropriate answer: (1) Are you [] Female []Male (2) WHat is your age? [] Below 14 [] 14-18 []19-24 [] 25-35 [] 36-50 [] Over 50 (3) Are you a student? []Yes Please specify your level of education and the program you are in. []Secondary school Grade: ___________ [] Post-secondary Program: ___________________________ (e.g. Bachelor of Commerce) []Post-graduate Program: ________________________________ (e.g. MBA) []Other ____________________________________ []No (4) What is your present job status? []Contract employment Job title: _________________________ []Full-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Part-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Unemployed (5) Do you own a computer at home? []Yes []No (6) Do you have to use computer at work? []Yes Approximately how many hours per week? _____________________ []No (7) Do you use computer for entertainment purpose(s) (e.g. games, music, movie, etc.)? []Yes Please list computer entertainment activities you do and the length of time you spend on each activity: Entertainment activities Hours spent on activity each week a. ______________________________________ __________________ b. ______________________________________ __________________ c. ______________________________________ __________________ (8) Do the above computer activities help you to relax? []Yes []No (9) What is(are) the effect(s), both good and bad, of the above computer activity(s) on you? (e.g. playing computer games help me to release my frustrations but I may spend too much time on playing games) Good effects: ___________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Bad effects: ____________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ (10) Do you think that computer is a good channel for entertainment? []Yes Please explain: _________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ []No (11) Do you have any comment on "Computer and Entertainment"? ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CO-OPERATION :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 19:11:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:11:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kkk0b$9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There's a bit of latency confusing this discussion, but since Jim asked me some direct questions, I think I should respond. Briefly, ... In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: |> Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like |> to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to |> |> ... stuff deleted ... |> |> Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is |> this what they say??? Do you believe it??? I have said that the docs are clear and I admire the Kermit books. I have read the KERMIT.BWR file several times. As Frank observed, parts of this file are "dense". I learned a lot reading the section explaining COM ports and IRQs but not enough to solve my particular problem with COM4 and Kermit under Windows. The solution to my COM4 problem depended on a Windows configuration detail not included in the beware file. Frank has since posted that KERMIT.BWR will be updated to include that information. I think this further confirms my faith in the documentation. Thanks Frank. |> |> Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs |> before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the |> manuals??? |> I own "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit". I have read, but do not own, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol". It was that book which convinced me to recommend Columbia's Kermit as the basic comm program for Queen's University. We started a new Internet service for students last September and there are now approximately 10,000 registered users. Not everyone uses Kermit to connect to this service but thousands do. I could not support them without Columbia's excellent books and the help I've received from Frank, Joe, and others in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 17:30:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!agwing From: agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.rsts Subject: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 20 Mar 1995 17:30:11 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2304 comp.os.rsts:403 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for another app which works fine. systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank file on the PC. I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in text mode OK. I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets which I already disabled. What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in text mode? TIA! -- Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. "Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice" Andy Wing Temple U. Computer Services agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:32:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 20 Mar 1995 16:32:25 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kkamp$qsd@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: ... > What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them >with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. I did this and that's why Kermit works under DOS and works under DOS within Windows if I invoke it twice. ... > From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must >be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers >cut looking at all the boards in detail. No, after all mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) gave the right hint: > Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. > To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows > to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... > Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had > to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: > > edit \windows\system.ini > Search for the [386Enh] section > Add the following line > COM3IRQ=-1 > > I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. > So in my case, the file looked like this: > > COM3IRQ=-1 > COM4Base=02E8 > COM4IRQ=5 Since I did this everything is working fine from within Windows. By the way: I am using IRQ 7, so no need to stick with IRQ 5 as mentioned by a previous poster. And it is definitevly a good idea to include this topic into the BWR file! Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 18:47:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury!saur From: saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:47:25 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 50 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed since 5A(188) The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know if it has been fixed. NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" routine in the "ckutio" module. if (!isatty(0)) return(0); Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not called from a tty. OK sounds lagit, BUT ... When kermit is called from a popen from another software package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" never gets executed. An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and then specify the following, everything works perfectly until kermit returns. | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's CBREAK mode has been reset. Has this been fixed? I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support mail box. --- _________________________________________ ._______. ___\___ | __ / _______________________________________ \ | \ | / | _\___/_ \____ || Saurian: saur@mercury.interpath.net || |---+---| .---. ___| || ................................... || ___|___ |___| | __ || EXODUS 4:1-5 NUMBERS 21:4-9 || | |___| | __ || EXODUS 7:8-13 PSALMS 104:24-28 || ------- | | | ||_______________________________________|| / | | \ | \| \___ \___| Finger me for my PGP public key |___/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 08:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Message-Id: <1995Mar20.144359.88114@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 20 Mar 95 14:43:59 CST References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [snip] Is it *absolutely* necessary for you to use com4? I've only 3 ports, so I moved my mouse to com2 (required switching my 25-pin and 9-pin plugs around) so that I could use com3 without problems. Later, when I switched my modem irq from 4 to 5, I continued to not have problems. You do need to place some pertinent information in your mscustom.ini file. set com3 \x3e8 5 set port com3 That should do it for you. If you feel compelled to use com4 (and don't have a com3), replace the com3s with com4s in the above. Somebody else posted a way to lie to Windows about the presence of a com3 when one is not available, but I don't remember which post it was. This isn't rocket science, people. I'd much rather configure Kermit than Trumpet Winsock. Sorry about the snotty tone, but I'm more than a little tired of hearing some of the whining that goes on in this group. Joe, Frank, Christine, & Co. work their butts off to give us the finest communications software available--please try to be a little more understanding when they ask to be paid for their efforts. Where else can you get an integrated terminal emulation and file transfer protocol that handles so many character sets and yet is so incredibly robust, that has no artificial limits imposed on the ftp-able copy, that comes bundled with documentation, and has its own newsgroup dedicated to supporting its users, all without costing you a penny unless you find that you NEED the full documentation? C'mon, guys--there ain't no free lunch. Download Kermit. Use it. If you find that it is the best thing since sliced bread (and it is), order the documentation. $40 is cheap for something that works so well. Bye, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 02:09:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!aklinson From: aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 02:09:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu am using ckermit 189 for Linux. I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr expect { "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 "term=" goto setterm "aaaa" goto a-a . . nad so on... } ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input Ak Thanks in Advance From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!aklinson From: aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) Subject: Re: Linux ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:56:49 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: : In article : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: : : > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : > : >Ted Stevens : > : >-- : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. : : -Curtiss or get a binary version of 189 at sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz -- Arnatt Klinsong aklinson@ripco.com Home Page - http://ripco.com:8080/~aklinson/aklinson.html ATSIST Page - http://www.nectec.or.th/bureaux/atsist/index.html __ _ , _ / ) _/_ _/_ ' ) / // /--/ __ ____ __. / / /-< // o ____ _ ________ _, / (_/ (_/ / <_(_/|_<___<__ / ) ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:19:12 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: helios@netcom20.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: : I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when : I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the : port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" : command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set : com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Reissuing both commands wasn't enough. I have found the pattern, though. It happens only the first time after I use the modem with a native Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager). CIM switches the flow control from rts/cts to xon/off, disables data compression (MNP5 and V.42bis), and sets max time for diagnostic tests from 255 to 0. Otherwise, the modem settings are untouched. I guess Windows just doesn't want to give up control of COM4. Maybe if I put the right amount of delay at the right place in the script it would work the first time, or at least the second time. 100 ms between "set com" and "set port" did not help when I tried it before. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:05:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3kmmf4$5jl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) writes: > I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and > greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed > since 5A(188) > The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know > if it has been fixed. > NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE > SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) > The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" > routine in the "ckutio" module. > if (!isatty(0)) return(0); > Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not > called from a tty. > OK sounds lagit, BUT ... > When kermit is called from a popen from another software > package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software > package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's > special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" > never gets executed. > An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe > to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and > then specify the following, everything works perfectly until > kermit returns. > > | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) > > At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's > CBREAK mode has been reset. > > Has this been fixed? > > I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support > mail box. > You have. If !isatty(0), then not only does Kermit not restore the terminal, it doesn't change it in the first place. Therefore, this problem *should* not be happening. We can take this offline to work on it more detail. Meanwhile, any program that puts the tty in a special mode and then invokes other programs should be a bit more defensive. Like the shell, for example: $ cat blah | kermit -s - The terminal is fine afterwards. Third, you can give Kermit a file descriptor on the command for the communication channel. This prevents Kermit from opening and conditioning the line: | kermit -l 1 -s - - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:08:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3kmmkk$5l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > am using ckermit 189 for Linux. > I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr > > expect { > "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 > "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 > "term=" goto setterm > "aaaa" goto a-a > . > . > nad so on... > } > > ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input > A similar question was asked recently. Here's the answer: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:13:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:16:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:13:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kmmue$5r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: > : In article > : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other > : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly > : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. > > or get a binary version of 189 at > sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz > No, please get Kermit software from Columbia University. Version 5A(189) is not current. 5A(190) is. For Linux: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, "make linux". That's all there is to it. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:24:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:26:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:24:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:24:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3kmni5$6gt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes: > >I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. > > Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to > Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text > files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to > transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for > another app which works fine. > > systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) > DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 > > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer > OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five > packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error > reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet > size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in > the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I > end up with a blank file on the PC. > > I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the > trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports > into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in > text mode OK. > I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and > handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this > directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets > which I already disabled. > > What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in > text mode? TIA! > I think you have probably done all you can. I suspect that the problem is similar to the one in VMS Kermit-32, namely that Kermit-11 is doing RMS record-oriented input, and its record buffer is shorter than 795. In binary mode, it probably uses a buffer that is the maximum record size for RMS. The author of Kermit-11 no longer maintains the program, so there's not much we can do about it. However, fixing this problem might be as simple as changing the value of a symbol and rebuilding. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 15:01:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:02:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 21 Mar 1995 15:01:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 331 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:9 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2315 comp.os.os2.apps:73039 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:21930 bit.listserv.os2-l:28421 comp.dcom.modems:85136 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a brief Beta testing period for OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot more information in it (hypertext links): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past the following fifty lines (two 24-line screens). OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over: . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds. . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP. . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections. . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes. . Asynchronous communication servers. Offering: . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control, printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc. . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download. . A powerful and portable script programming language. . A large repertoire of character-set translations. . Dialing and services directories. . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem). And lots of OS/2-specific features, including: . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations. . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard. . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes. . Work Place Shell integration through program objects. . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions. . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers. . SLIPTERM compatibility. . Integration with IBM WebExplorer. . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2 system to another, with all file attributes preserved. . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load. . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication. With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit is ideally suited to OS/2 users who: . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services. . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections, e.g. for home and office use. . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting). . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files. . Want to communicate in languages other than English. . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms. Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web site starting at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00 and later, including Warp. It adds the following major new features: . Dramatic speed improvements . Sizeable terminal screens. . New and improved mouse functions. . Improved TELNET client functions. . Incoming TCP/IP connections. . SLIP dialing. . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation. . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation. And many lesser ones. In more detail: SPEED IMPROVEMENTS CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions. C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating. Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before. To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session: C-Kermit 5A(190) 24 sec IBM Telnet 22 sec (TCP/IP 1.2.1) MS-DOS Kermit 12 sec (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2) C-Kermit 5A(191) 5 sec In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55 seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement. The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several other astounding feats: . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens. . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back. . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below). Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds without seriously impacting the rest of the system. SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too. In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen area of 8192 characters. In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132 columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows. Not all combinations are supported by all video hardware. Warp is not required. Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video adapter supports it. Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the "NAWS" option. SOFT FONTS C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any pair of them. But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right characters on the screen. For example, in version 5A(190) we added support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page onto a US version of OS/2. The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window: CP437 - Original PC code page CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc) CP862 - Hebrew code page CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following languages: Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for furnishing these public-domain fonts. CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups and Web pages. But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters? The new C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes: . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout. . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes. . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc). This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available in earlier releases: . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc). . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish. THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor steering, were introduced in the previous release. In version 5A(191): . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen, scrollback buffer included. . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events. . You can assign them to keys. . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events. . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps. To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in the rollback buffer: . Hold down the left mouse button. . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected. . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens. . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging. Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard, printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your terminal session. TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before. Several TELNET protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to "firewalls". Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when provided by the name server, until success is achieved. TELNET NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added. Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute Kermit server functions. OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver. This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM. OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol implementation. If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services, especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this means. If you want it spelled out in more detail, see the APPENDIX at the end of this announcement :-) OTHER CHANGES ...include: . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages. . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY. . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information", "Warning", and "Error" events. . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added. . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation. . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc. DOCUMENTATION OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) is comprehensively and professionally documented in the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF file, which covers recent additions. Ordering information for the book is included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit> prompt with the UPDATES command. WHERE TO GET IT OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta may be obtained (and should ONLY be obtained) From kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/test/os2test, file cko191.zip. Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way), unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL script. For safety, don't install the Beta version over your previous OS/2 C-Kermit version -- read the directions on your screen carefully. After installation, you should copy your CKERMOD.INI, CKERMIT.KDD, and CKERMIT.KSD files from your regular CKERMIT directory to the new one. The cko191.zip file should not be copied to other FTP sites. It is likely to change frequently during the Beta testing period, and we don't want outdated copies circulating. Check the ZIP file every so often to see if it has been updated, or consult the Web entry at URL: http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Please report bugs (in the software or the documentation) by email to: kermit@columbia.edu NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit. Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release. APPENDIX: TELNET AND SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE There is a widespread misconception among PC users that a "virtual modem" or TELNET redirector such as COMTCP, VMODEM, COMt (for Windows), or TNGLASS (for DOS) plus your favorite serial communications package creates the perfect TELNET client. Your serial communication package MIGHT enable you to connect to your host this way, but if it works right throughout your session, it's pure luck. Numerous items -- echoing, screen size, terminal type, and other parameters -- need to be negotiated and sometimes changed dynamically throughout the session, depending on the service and the server. A serial communications program is not designed to handle this type of work. So the virtual modem software must handle the TELNET protocol parameter negotiations on behalf of the communication software. So far, so good. The problem is that when things change, the virtual modem software has no way of telling the communications software, and similarly, when the user changes things in the communications software, the virtual modem doesn't find out about it and can't tell the TELNET server. To complicate matters further, the TELNET Network Virtual Terminal (NVT) definition does not work like the ASCII terminal that your serial communications software is emulating. Certain characters must be handled specially, including carriage return, linefeed, and the "all-ones" character, hex FF. Furthermore, special items like the BREAK signal must be handled by special TELNET protocol messages. So when using serial communications software to accomplish a TELNET connection over a virtual modem, it is very likely to have all sorts of problems, including: . Terminal-type and/or screen-size mismatch. . Faulty echoing: characters can fail to echo when you type them, or might echo twice. "Password silencing" might not work. . You might get overprinting or a "stairstep" effect as the host sends lines to your terminal screen. . Carriage return (Enter) might have no effect at all when you type it. . The session might suddenly hang because a special character has not been properly escaped during terminal emulation or file transfer. . BREAK, required by some hosts and applications, can't be sent. . When things go wrong, you have no effective debugging tools at your disposal, and even when you can diagnose the problems you often have no way to fix them. THE MORAL: If you want a fully-functional and dependable TELNET session, use a real TELNET client. If you want to use the same software for both serial and TELNET connections, try C-Kermit. (End) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:24:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit (OS/2) logging phone-costs? Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:24:09 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3kn94p$a5p@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not asking if Ckermit can do it (I can't figure out something it can't do), but how do I tell Ckermit to do it? Has someone tried this? Would it be best do do some script inside Ckermit or should I try to make a small rexx-program to dig out the information in the logfiles? If you already know how to do it, post the script! //thanks! Markus From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 21:45:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!mix.com!zippy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 20 Mar 1995 21:45:22 GMT Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 22 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kkt1i$aii@news.primenet.com> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew Wing writes: > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK > *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets > go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It > appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it > never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. > Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank > file on the PC. Log files would be helpful here. For K11, you'd - Kermit-11> LOGFILE test.log Kermit-11> SET DEBUG PACKET ..do the transfer, let it die.. Kermit-11> SET DEUG OFF One problem I'm aware of involves an out-of-range length byte from K11 - you may have to SET DEBUG RAW to be able to see this. Although, altering the packet length should have 'fixed' that.. Billy Y.. 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From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 21:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: thank you Message-Id: <1995Mar22.170038.36194@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 22 Mar 95 17:00:37 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@is.dal.ca Wed Mar 22 12:25:41 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:25:41 -0400 (AST) From: Chui Fung Tsang Subject: Survey question To: Chui Fung Tsang Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I would like to thank those who responded to my survey. Some of u may wonder why I posted the survey in some of the news groups which may not seem appropriate. The reason I did that was because I would like to get answers from people of diverse backgrounds and interests. If I did inappropriately posted the survey in certain newsgroups, I would like to apologize. Thank you also for the people who give me some real good advices too. I'll post the result of the survey in 2 weeks. Thank you all. Olivia From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 16:36:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!lcoady From: lcoady@agora.rdrop.com (Lucas Coady) Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:36:38 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the MS-Kermit v3.01 for IBM-PC source? Luke From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:01:02 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of a serial port? I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp lines. thanks for any info, tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 00:01:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:01:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kt24v$k2c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, Tom F McCabe wrote: >I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and >or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit >version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit >file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of >a serial port? > Yes. It works over TCP/IP -- IBM, FTP Software, and various other varieties -- independent of the underlying communication medium. >I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets >but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp >lines. > It is not restricted in any way, except that you must already have a TCP/IP product installed that supports the connection method you want to use. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!dkuug!usenet From: jnh@pip.dknet.dk (John Normann Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WfW & Kermit & Token Ring Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:51:23 GMT Organization: Dolberg Data A/S Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3kt1hr$6s8@news.dknet.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: p726.pip.dknet.dk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get Kermit to work under WfW on a token ring network. I'm using the nine steps to heaven, following the setup.doc from kermit 314. All it does i hang the computer when trying to load the dis_pkt9.dos. So I tried it on a ethernet network an it works great. The adapter is a IBM tokenring and I'm using the ibmtok.dos ndis driver. Any help will be appreciated. PS Does anyone know of any BAPI driver that runs with the TCP32 form Microsoft. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 02:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!olivea!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A programmer friend tells me that you can programmatically specify a DTE rate of 14,400 bps for a COM port under Windows 3.1. And one of our users just set 14,000 as the DTE rate in a .ini file that we use to configure Trumpet Winsock, and found that he got fewer framing errors compared to 19,200 (16450 UART). I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions it as a DTE rate that might be supported). Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? If not, what does Windows actually do with a request for a COM port rate of 14,400 bps? And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? -scott From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 15:19:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:19:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3kunup$36g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Scott Weikart wrote: >I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; > UARTs support any baud rate you can dream up. >and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions >it as a DTE rate that might be supported). > 14400 bps was never needed until V.32bis appeared. Then it was added to MS-DOS Kermit. Just type "set speed ?" to see a list of supported speeds. >Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? > Any modem V.32bis or higher should support it. >And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but >fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? > This depends entirely on your UART chip and your PC configuration and software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 15:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!nickel.laurentian.ca!mark From: mark@nickel.laurentian.ca (MARK LAFONTAINE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 22 Mar 95 10:58:22 -0500 Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.laurentian.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings Kermit Gurus, I work at a bilingual university that supports both french and english computing. We need to transfer files to and from our VAXes through C-Kermit that contain accented french characters. Below is the routine we have to go through in order to transfer a file from the PC to the VAX using AUTORECEIVE from the C-Kermit prompt. The file is transferred successfully with french characters intact. If we try to AUTOSEND the same file from VAX to PC the french characters do not transfer properly. Are there any SET parameters that have to be changed in order to do the AUTOSEND of french characters? We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit version 3.13 for IBM. Our routine was: - log into the VAX - Type CKERMIT from $ prompt At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO -X (to get to MS-Kermit) - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic Set file character CP865 C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. Thanks for any help in this matter. Mark Lafontaine Laurentian University Computer Services Sudbury, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 00:13:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:17:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:16:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!larry182 From: larry182@delphi.com (Larry Reister) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 Date: 25 Mar 1995 00:13:30 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 5 Message-Id: <9503241854591.The_Win-D.larry182@delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Larry Reister Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Luke, I sent a note to watsun.cc.columbia.edu,asking for information on getting Kermit software.He gave me information on how to order "Using MS-DOS KERMIT",for $36.95,and a copy of MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 came with it.Try a note to Watson. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 23:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 24 Mar 1995 23:36:50 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. THIS doesn't work 30% (PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, and then kermit will work. THIS ALWAYS works (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this fixes the problem. i.e. (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried compiling it myself. Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, and that MAXBUF > 2064, and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 and that BIOLM > 20 and that BYTLM > 8192 info: C-Kermit 5A (190) OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 Equinox ELG48 terminal server Thanks, Cheryl Southard cld@astro.caltech.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:17:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news From: mmrst7+@pitt.edu (John Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:17:17 GMT Organization: PITT Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ehdup-f-12.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to an ftp site. Thanks a lot in advance. -M From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 06:23:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:24:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:23:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 25 Mar 1995 06:23:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2330 comp.os.os2.apps:73674 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22379 bit.listserv.os2-l:28703 comp.dcom.modems:85744 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip Or from the Web at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback buffer at all. In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps to ROLL-MODE INSERT. The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:20:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:20:40 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 22:05:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Date: 24 Mar 95 17:05:07 -0500 Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what are the bytes/characters they send over the line? Or is this a State Secret? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 03:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Mar 95 09:17:01 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually > send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev > and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what > are the bytes/characters they send over the line? > > Or is this a State Secret? ----------- Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 16:56:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3l1i04$rq6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: >I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse >text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be >missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks > >David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 > finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information > The first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to have mouse support was 5a(190). This version required the user to SET TERMINAL MOUSE ON. 5a(191) has much more extensive support for the mouse than 5a(190). In addition to the ability to perform cursor positioning and copy and paste to the clipboard from within C-Kermit, 191 now allows you to assign arbitary macros, Kverbs, and mouse specific actions to specific combinations of SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT and CLICK, DOUBLE-CLICK and DRAG events. Mouse support is enabled by default in 5a(191). for information on how to use Mouse support please read the CKERMIt.INF file. "Using the MOuse". You can also type UPDATES MOUSE at the C-Kermit prompt. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 23:30:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu (Gary Schrock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 23:30:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3l291u$1arq@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: psy219.psy.msu.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2335 comp.os.os2.apps:73780 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22456 bit.listserv.os2-l:28746 comp.dcom.modems:85839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. A definite thanks from here. The new behaviour is significantly more intuitive. Seems to be working great here. Gary Schrock gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:32:23 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cc5.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; but how is it used? Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, but how? The 'APC' command seems to talk to the remote MS-Kermit, but there is no VM-specific info on practical usage (it's not in the HELPCMS file.) -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 18:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!decus!t_howald From: t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Date: 26 Mar 95 19:26:57 +0100 Organization: DECUS (Switzerland) Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit Gurus I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI VAXCLUSTER=0 MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas F. Howald / It's difficult to soar with / Phone: +41 65 25 25 29 Otto Howald AG, / eagles when you work with turkeys/ CompuServe 100115,2076 Engestrasse 13, 4500 Solothurn, Switzerland t_howald@decus.ch ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 07:37:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.133718.45682@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 13:37:18 MDT References: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus>, t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) writes: > > > Hi Kermit Gurus > I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better > use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I > modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. > > SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI > SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI > VAXCLUSTER=0 > MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit > > After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems > and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: > > PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > > My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually > crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? > > Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ---------- Page and swap file sizes are from autogen, the sensing of system usage over time. It's the item you answer YES to when @sys$system:shutdown-ing the machine. Seven years is a long time between system tuning activites. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 22:33:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PCMag Comm Article Date: 26 Mar 1995 17:33:29 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks: On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! Is this data valid????? Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. Comments????? Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu Sorry for the double space -- I still can't deal with this mailer From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 11:04:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Message-Id: <1995Mar26.170413.45693@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 17:04:13 MDT References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that > several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical > limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp > file > in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably > w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ > sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! > What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! >> Is this data valid????? > Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current > MS-Kermit? > PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: > CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW > Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying > to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our > users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. ------------ While I don't have the article the numbers do strongly suggest playing with file compression, and only secondarily with protocols. Any time you see "exceeded theoretical limits" you can be sure the wrong theory is being applied, and that deductions cannot follow. Until you get the story straightened out I suggest you let matters rest. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 04:08:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 04:08:26 GMT Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call on com1. This is unscientific, but if logged in at the shell prompt things looked nice -- i.e. the line didn't appear bursty. I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. And so on. The pauses served to clobber the effective transfer rates. I did 25 tests. One session where the TX light appeared to never stop chugging had me get binary compressed file transfer at 1991 cps (which is still far below 2880 cps). Other sessions did much worse. Is there something about kermit that one can use to improve this? My kermrc is enclosed at EOF. This was using 2k packets, the performance with 1k packets was much worse. Another kermitism I'm not able to solve relates to packet size: when I say 2048 byte packets, he uses 1806 byte packets. He refuses to (say) use 4k byte packets. Thanks, -ans. set parity none set file collision overwrite set attributes off set speed 38400 set flow-control rts/cts set file type binary set file names literal set file display fullscreen set window-size 5 set receive packet-length 2048 set send packet-length 2048 set block 3 set buffers 150000 150000 -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:21:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!worm.inch.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: Help me mix expect and kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:21:32 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26847 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2343 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are behaving strangely. Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. The moment I say connect things get hairy. If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin 486 notebook running linux. Thanks, -ans. -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:06:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3l6got$hhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca>, MARK LAFONTAINE wrote >We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit >version 3.13 for IBM. > > - Type CKERMIT from [VAX] $ prompt > At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic > Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO > -X (to get to MS-Kermit) > - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic > Set file character CP865 > C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) > - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename > >This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to >the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. > Of course it is not working. The Cyrillic character sets do not contain Roman letters with accents. Cyrillic is used for Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc. Also, I sincerely doubt that you would be using *any* code page on the VAX. I think that what you really want to do, as is explained thoroughly in both "Using C-Kermit" and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its French edition, "Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi"), is: VAX: set transfer char latin1 set file char latin1 ; or dec-multinational PC: set transfer char latin1 set file char cp850 ; or cp863 CP850 is the IBM "Multilingual" code page. CP863 is the Canadian French code page. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 18:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!hursley.ibm.com!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!news From: rjrodrig@vnet.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit under Warp Date: 23 Mar 1995 18:25:58 GMT Organization: ISSC Pougheepsie New York Lines: 7 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: rjrodrig@kgnvmc.kgn.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: loctools.pok.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.04 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. Robert Rodriguez From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:13:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 89 Message-Id: <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Cheryl L. Southard wrote: >Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, >and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, >kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive >amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. >This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that >dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. > >THIS doesn't work 30% >(PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use >the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun >SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the >terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, >and then kermit will work. > >THIS ALWAYS works >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a >WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. > >Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this >fixes the problem. i.e. >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried >compiling it myself. > >Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? > >I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified >that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, >and that MAXBUF > 2064, >and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 >and that BIOLM > 20 >and that BYTLM > 8192 > >info: > C-Kermit 5A (190) > OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 > Equinox ELG48 terminal server > An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to dig into the terminal server's configuration. There are a couple other possibilities, though. First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over various connection types is somewhat mysterious. Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file transfer. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:17:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:17:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6he9$iiv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, John Meyer wrote: >Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried >version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer >version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to >an ftp site. > The only Kermit program that we recommend and support for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit. Current version 3.14. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 19:34:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!wizard.pn.com!dns.crocker.com!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 14:34:15 -0500 References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: >> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >> >> Or is this a State Secret? > ----------- > Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory > kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually send. I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, perhaps, wrong? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:29:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:29:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3l6i3r$jqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >... >I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by >sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the >key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to >know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that >produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > Some \Kverbs, such as the \Kdec... ones, send the escape sequences that are THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED in the manual. Others, such as \Kupscrn and \Kdnscn perform actions that are (thoroughly documented in the manual and are) local to MS-DOS Kermit -- in other words, they don't send any characers. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:44:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3l6j13$ldm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several >comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a >compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that >is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in >3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered >at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! > It can't? >Is this data valid????? > I don't have the PC Magazine issue handy, but you say it's a "500k .bmp" file. That must be a "Bitmap" file -- i.e. uncompressed screen rasters, so naturally they get compressed by the modems' built-in data compression feature -- V.42bis or whatever -- resulting in the high transfer rates. Kermit would do just as well or better. What's more, if you used Kermit to transfer the SAME file through a pair of modems that did NOT do data compression, Kermit would still get about the same data rate, whereas the other would probably drop down to about 1600 cps. >Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:47:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:47:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6j5m$ln9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently >get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from >the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call >on com1. >... >I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw >were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously >work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG >pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. >And so on. > Why don't you try the same experiment between two different PCs? That would rule out such things as interrupt conflicts, driver and scheduler peculiarities, and so on. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 16:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit under Warp Date: 27 Mar 1995 16:43:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3l6pv8$3m9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in >a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and >it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I >tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. > >Robert Rodriguez > We would need more information to be able to help you. What are you attempting to do. At what point does it hang? I have been using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 successfully under WARP for several months. Without any problems other than those one woudl expect from trying to run a timing sensitive DOS application in a multi-tasking operating system. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 02:51:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar27.085151.45728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Mar 95 08:51:51 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 193 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > writes: >> In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu > (Dick Wisan) writes: >>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >>> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >>> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >>> >>> Or is this a State Secret? >> ----------- >> Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory >> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. >> Joe D. > > No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and > what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually > send. > > I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by > sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the > key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to > know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that > produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > > I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence > of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, > perhaps, wrong? --------------- Ok, I'll spell it out for you. From my working copy of file msvibm.vt: (begin cutout) Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys. Key Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Find decFind CSI 1 ~ these keys Insert Here decInsert CSI 2 ~ send nothing Remove decRemove CSI 3 ~ Select decSelect CSI 4 ~ Prev Screen decPrev CSI 5 ~ Next Screen decNext CSI 6 ~ ~ is ASCII chart 7/14 Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) Codes sent by DEC LK201 keyboard function keys, not preassigned to PC keys Key name Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Hold Screen nothing nothing Print Screen nothing nothing Set-Up nothing nothing F4 nothing nothing F5 (Break) nothing nothing F6 decF6 CSI 17 ~ nothing F7 decF7 CSI 18 ~ nothing F8 decF8 CSI 19 ~ nothing F9 decF9 CSI 20 ~ nothing F10 decF10 CSI 21 ~ nothing F11 (ESC) decF11 CSI 23 ~ ESC F12 (BS) decF12 CSI 24 ~ BS F13 (LF) decF13 CSI 25 ~ LF F14 decF14 CSI 26 ~ nothing Help decHelp CSI 28 ~ nothing Do decDo CSI 29 ~ nothing F17 decF17 CSI 31 ~ nothing F18 decF18 CSI 32 ~ nothing F19 decF19 CSI 33 ~ nothing F20 decF20 CSI 34 ~ nothing Note: F6 - F20 are DEC "User Definable Keys" which means their output can be redefined by the host (not by the terminal owner). See below for method. An often confusing item is knowing the mode of the auxillary keypad: numeric or application. Digital Equipment Corporation designed the terminal to change modes only under command from the remote computer and not at all from the keyboard. So the startup state is numeric/cursor mode, and reception of escape sequences "ESC [ ? 1 h" or "l" changes the mode. Kermit verbs for the keypad and cursor keys generate the correct escape sequences appropriate to the current mode and terminal type. A best attempt is made to safely test for the 101/102 key Enhanced keyboard and use it if present. If it is present then the keyboard translator separates the individual arrow keys from those on the numeric keypad and also separates the asterisk and forward slash keys on the keypad from those on the regular typewriter keyboard. These special Enhanced keyboard keys are reported as scan codes with 4096 added to the base scan code. OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal Alt h HELP Show drop down help menu (detailed below) Alt s STATUS Show settings Alt x EXIT Exit Connect mode, back to Kermit prompt Home HOMSCN Roll screen up (text down) to beginning of storage. End ENDSCN Roll screen down (text up) to end of storage. PgUp UPSCN Roll screen up (back, earlier) one screen. PgDn DNSCN Roll screen down (forward, later) one screen. Ctrl-PgUp UPONE Roll screen up one line. Ctrl-PdDn DNONE Roll screen down one line. Control-PrtSc PRTSCN Toggle on/off copying of received text to printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode line when activated. Control-End DUMP Dump image of screen to a disk file or device. Default filename is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. Use command SET DUMP to change the filename. Screen images are appended to the file, separated by formfeeds. Graphics screens go to files TEKPLT.TIF. Shift-PrtSc Standard DOS Print-screen, dump screen image to printer. unassigned HOLDSCRN DEC style Holdscreen, same as typing Control-S. ALT-n NEXTSESSION Change to next terminal session, only if using Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. ALT-z NETHOLD Place Network connections "on hold". This means interrupt the normal PC to host connection and invoke the external network control program interface for session management. Works with 3Com(BAPI), Novell(NASI), UB-Net1, etc but not with Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. unassigned RTONE scroll screen right one column unassigned RTPAGE scroll screen right by 20 columns unassigned LFONE scroll screen left by one column unassigned LFPAGE scroll screen left by 20 columns "Alt -" means hold down Alt and type minus on the upper key rank. This switches among the various kinds of emulation but does not change most operating parameters of the emulator. Follow a new selection with ALT = (verb RESET) to reset the emulator to the current type. (end of cutout) Here we see that not all keys create traffic to the remote host. Upscn etc are local video manipulators only; the host hears nothing about them. The DEC DO key is precisely defined above, and it isn't even close to ESC O S. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!nntp.magwien.gv.at!nntp.advge.magwien.gv.at!usenet From: SAC@advge.magwien.gv.at (Heinz Sack) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 27 Mar 1995 12:56:23 GMT Organization: MD-ADV/Ge Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l6cln$2rn@hesnet.advge.magwien.gv.at> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: 141.203.60.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, isiew@lis.pitt.edu says... > >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can >I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only >holds the assembly version. Thanks > >-- >------------------------------- >- Ivan Siew >isiew@lis.pitt.edu >http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ I am also very interested in the source code for a terminal emulation (VT 100 or better). I need it for special purposes to comunicate between VAX and PC programms. If you get any Information, please contact me. Thank's for all - Heinz Sack From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 15:42:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: benkrug@mcs.com (Benjamin Krug) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 15:42:17 GMT Organization: MCSNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6mcp$gr6@News1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fnbctech.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun (Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to my local session, and then... I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it doesn't. It just seems to stop here. At first I was looking for input, but then removed that, and simply did a "pause 20" after my command to escape back to the local kermit session. Everything works fine up to this, but then I'm just left there, in local kermit with a remote server session. Any help? Suggestions? Tips? (I can't find anything to solve this in "Using C-Kermit.) Thanks a lot, Ben Krug benkrug@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:18:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:18:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3l95ro$r77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. > The command would be "get readme.txt", not "output get readme.txt". Your OUTPUT command makes it send the string "get readme.txt" to the Kermit server, but: . The Kermit server is no longer in command mode. . Even if it were, you have omitted the trailing carriage return. . The GET command is given to the client, not to the server. So nothing happens. In general, a script program just contains the commands you would type interactively, except it never CONNECTs or "escapes back". Instead, everything that you would type during CONNECT mode is sent to the remote host or service with OUTPUT commands. Carriage returns and other control characters must be included explicitly, as in "output help\13". And everything you read with your eyes is read by Kermit using INPUT commands. And every time you have to pause in real life, you put in a PAUSE command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:20:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnet2.netnet.net!awinc.com!usenet From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Notice: Howto InfoNet Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: SHEP Communications Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Reply-To: Randal.N.Streilein@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pme016.awinc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HOW-TO AUTHORS Made all the money you want yet? 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Abundantly yours, Paulette Ensign From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:23:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3l9gme$fs2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; >but how is it used? Perhaps paradoxically, the primary documentation for the APC subcommand lies at the other end -- all the mainframe Kermit does is pass the command string along for execution to the other Kermit, so the syntax checking is done remotely. > Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type >one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then >return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' >sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, >but how? The EXEC's in that file are ordinary CMS EXEC's. No more, no less. They are executed from within Kermit the same as any other CMS command. See the CMS Kermit user's guide (it's free!), particularly the sections on EXEC operation and the SET SYSCMD subcommand. John From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 19:21:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!usenet From: Richard Aleksandr Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 27 Mar 1995 19:21:34 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.4.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then '(back at localhostname)' I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more information on why I can't connect. Is there a verbose mode? Perm- missions on /dev/tty1a are wide open. I can connect as a remote terminal from DOS using Procomm Plus so I know the line is o.k. Help! Thanks very much, Richard From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:37:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:37:52 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l83r0$h3i@Mercury.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26884 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2361 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are >behaving strangely. > >Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As >long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. >The moment I say connect things get hairy. > >If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, >I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin >486 notebook running linux. What do you need to do that you can't automate with kermit's own scripting? I've been so perverse as to use kermit with a loopback telnet connection to automate things on the local host that need a pty instead of using expect. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:40:03 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3l83v3$h89@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. You don't say "output get ..." when the other end is in server mode you just say "get ..." to your end and it automatically tells the server what you want. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 16:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 29 Mar 1995 16:21:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lc1ea$amu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net>, Richard Aleksandr wrote: >I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct >serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and >speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost >immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then >'(back at localhostname)' > >I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more >information on why I can't connect. > Try "show communications" or "show modem". It will probably tell you that the Carrier-Detect (CD) signal is off. The underlying device driver normally wants it to be on in order to communicate. Solution: tell C-Kermit to "set carrier off", meaning: don't require carrier. If that doesn't do it, see Chapter 3 of "Using C-Kermit", especially the section on direct serial connections. If that still doesn't do it, get back to me with more details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 01:22:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!cat.cis.Brown.EDU!news From: hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:22:11 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hiroi@relab1.geo.brown.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: tonto-slip5.cis.brown.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2364 comp.os.os2.apps:74180 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22730 bit.listserv.os2-l:28850 comp.dcom.modems:86297 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. > >C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from > > kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip > >Or from the Web at > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. >This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue >to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. > >As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has >appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the >screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something >from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. > >Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by >SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. > >In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host >while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you >want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be >placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback >buffer at all. > >In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the >scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. > >In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps >to ROLL-MODE INSERT. > >The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. > >Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 >"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." >"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." > OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation has a bug. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 21:54:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 21:54:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lcku4$ns@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2365 comp.os.os2.apps:74205 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22748 bit.listserv.os2-l:28857 comp.dcom.modems:86310 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu>, Takahiro Hiroi wrote: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular >emulation has a bug. > If you have found a bug in Beta Test software, why don't you report it directly to the developers. That is what beta tests are for. Use e-mail, not netnews, which gets send to millions of computers all over the world, at considerable cost. The address for reporting bugs is: kermit@columbia.edu Please be specific. Exactly what does not work? And did you consult the documentation first? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 15:31:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!epsilon!usenet From: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Message-Id: Sender: usenet@epsilon.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cassandra.quantum.epsilon.com Reply-To: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Organization: HPC Division, Epsilon Data Management, Burlington, MA 01803 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:31:04 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2366 comp.os.os2.apps:74215 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22757 bit.listserv.os2-l:28859 comp.dcom.modems:86324 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Much deleted about features of new OS/2 Kermit beta from kermit.columbai.edu] In <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) writes: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation >has a bug. First off, send mail directly to jaltman@kermit.columbia.edu. His news feed suffers from the time lag from hell. Second, saying WHAT VT220 emulation error while talking to what platform would be useful. There is no way to fix the problem, or even determine it exists, from the above description. Drew Derbyshire Internet: ahd@epsilon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 23:38:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 29 Mar 1995 23:38:41 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lcr21$9ad@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not >very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection >between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP >connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess >would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind >of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to >dig into the terminal server's configuration. > >There are a couple other possibilities, though. > >First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, >try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over >various connection types is somewhat mysterious. > >Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For >example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says >the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file >transfer. > >- Frank Well, neither the "set flow" command or the "sho terminal" stuff fixed the problem. The problem was solved, however, by upgrading my terminal server software. Here's the details on the terminal server: Equinox PBX with ELG 48 card The software on the ELG 48 card WAS at V2.30. Upgrading the ELG 48 card to V2.33 fixes the problem. Thanks for the help, Cheryl From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:03:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!ktakusa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Clobbering the Last Line Message-Id: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Ken T. Takusagawa) Date: 28 Mar 95 23:03:56 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit wizards, I am a new user to kermit and have three questions: 1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? 2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression ability the box says it has? I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" after the AT command. 3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? As I transfer binary gzipped files: - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 800 (on my PC) the transmission works kinda OK (but only 71% efficiency -- Is this normal?) - When I SET RECE PACKET 2000 the packet size fluctuates as as the file is transmitted, and efficiency drops to 30% - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 3000 or above, the transmission does not work, it quits after "Too many retries." Background: MS-Kermit 3.14, Zoom faxmodem 2400 C-Kermit 5a(188) Dec OSF/1 1.0 Thank you very much for help. Ken Takusagawa ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 20:40:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!englandr From: englandr@netcom.com (William and Alice Englander) Subject: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Message-Id: Organization: William and Alice Englander Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:40:32 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: englandr@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello - Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the newer features. I understand that the source is available, but I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not the ANSI one. We'd be happy to pay for it if there's a charge. Thanks for your help! Bill -- William and Alice Englander englandr@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 22:43:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ruhr.de!reswi!postmaster From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 29 Mar 1995 22:43:47 GMT Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jodokus.en.open.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file (set file collision discard). How can i decide if kermit has really successfully completed the transmisson? A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if they've worked perfectly well. My logout script looks like finish xif failure { - finish, - if failure finish - } This works, but needs a loooooong time to complete. - ralf -- Ralf E. Stranzenbach at Home: +49 2302 / 96200-3 at Work: +49 231 / 75892-15 "Ich bin auch mit gebrauchtem Denken zufrieden!" - Charlie Brown From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 03:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script and automatic learning Message-Id: <1995Mar29.095716.45989@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Mar 95 09:57:16 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , josef@ltssun1 (Josef Bigun) writes: > I wonder if it is possible to prepare a > script file automatically by letting > kermit watch your actions? > > Alternatively, is there a way to mark > automaticaly what one types in when > connected to a remote host? When I log > the session to a file, it does record everything but > there is no way to know what has been produced by me, > so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, > to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. ----------- No, there isn't. Such utilities capture raw keystrokes, down below DOS and the BIOS on DOS machines, don't even dream of this on non-DOS machines, and stuff them into a file. Clever, and sometimes useful. The recommended drill is to log a session, then write a short script based upon the observed dialogue. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 08:35:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Kermit freezes (help!) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: adder.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:35:16 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. In general I have no trouble connecting and once the connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a connection is established but the welcome message from the remote system just _stops_ part way through. When this happens I can't type anything in the terminal window and I can still hear modem data if I pick the phone up. I can give the hangup command from the kermit prompt and that works ok, but I still cant get the modem to respond if I go back to the terminal screen. If I quit kermit and start it again the problem usually remains (and kermit often tells me it can't verify the port). The only solution seems to be to quit and restart Windows. Since the problem is a bit sporadic I haven't been able to work out whats going on but its really starting to annoy me! I'd be very grateful if anyone can offer any opinions/advice on what the problem might be! Thanks, Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 21:29:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us!aje From: aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 28 Mar 1995 21:29:08 GMT Organization: MCNC / NC-REN Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it explain how this is accomplished. Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. Ugh. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Andrew Joesph Esposito Systems Administrator Western Carolina Forklift Inc. voice: (910) 668-0959 fax: (910) 668-3833 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:28:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:28:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3lef6r$4s1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, Andrew J. Esposito wrote: >Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. >DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, >MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says >that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it >explain how this is accomplished. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in a special "medium" edition for small systems. The small size is accomplished by removing the network support and the graphics terminal emulation. On its own -- i.e. without a lot of macros defined and screen rollback buffers allocated (hint hint) it occupies about 200K of memory, give or take 5K -- so you might be able to squeeze it in. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. The program you want to try is KERMITE.EXE (not KERMIT.EXE). You might need to run it without the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, which defines a bunch of macros, which add memory: kermite -f nul and you might also need to set the KERMIT environment variable to disable rollback: SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 0 If it's still too big, we can probably dig up an old pre-3.0 version that would fit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:43:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clobbering the Last Line Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:43:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: >1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered >whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: `eval resize` >2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression >ability the box says it has? > I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, >but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" >after the AT command. > Use the high-speed modem dialing script appropriate to your modem. It will enable data compression, error correction, speed matching, and RTS/CTS flow control. >3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? > Read our FAQ. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:49:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:49:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lege3$8fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William and Alice Englander wrote: >Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? > No. We have one for the model 700. If somebody wants to send in one for the 800, let me know. >C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the >newer features. I understand that the source is available, but >I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. >Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not >the ANSI one. > You don't need to know C to build C-Kermit. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, and then: make hpux90 (assuming you are running HP-UX 9-point-something) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:58:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3legu6$9rn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote: >i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some >data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns >SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file >(set file collision discard). > This should have been fixed in version 5A(190). >A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if >they've worked perfectly well. > It doesn't happen here, at least not with version 5A(190). Please try the current version. If you still have these problems, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 15:05:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes (help!) Date: 30 Mar 1995 15:05:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3lehbb$aei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ian Craddock wrote: >I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect >to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from >Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. >In general I have no trouble connecting and once the >connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about >one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a >connection is established but the welcome message from the >remote system just _stops_ part way through. > It's next to impossible to diagnose problems like this from afar, but the most likely cause is something to do with interrupts: . Two devices are using the same interrupt . Some software besides Kermit is catching the same interrupt . Spurious interrupts are being generated by a flaky device Another likely cause is a buggy modem or motherboard. Internal modems almost always spell trouble. Another likely cause is your Windows configuration -- COM port definitions, memory management, etc etc. Read all of the hints in your KERMIT.BWR file, particularly section 6. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 18:36:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:36:22 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C "\"pcsend $source $target, quit\""] and set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C 'pcget $tempname $target, quit'] This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload operation. At that point they can browse rthe system and perform other operations that I do not want them to be able to do. Fortunately, we had taken other measures to prevent users from spawning a shell, so overall system security has not yet been compromised. The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the following gcc -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \ ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \ ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \ ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lcurses -ltermcap ld: Undefined symbol _gettcs collect: ld returned 2 exit status *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wermit' Current working directory /vol/local/kermit-5A-190/src *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sunos41gcc' I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. BTW: I'm running kermit-5A-190 under SunOS4.1.3 and using gcc-2-4-5 for compilartion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 11:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!epflnews!epflnews.epfl.ch!josef From: josef%ltssun1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Josef Bigun) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script and automatic learning Date: 29 Mar 1995 11:48:58 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ltssun1.epfl.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wonder if it is possible to prepare a script file automatically by letting kermit watch your actions? Alternatively, is there a way to mark automaticaly what one types in when connected to a remote host? When I log the session to a file, it does record everything but there is no way to know what has been produced by me, so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. Thanks -- =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. Dr. Josef Bigun Swiss Federal Institute of Technology e-mail: Josef.Bigun@epfl.ch Tel: +41 21 693 2796 Fax: +41 21 693 7600 Mail Address: EPFL; DE-LTS; CH-1015 Lausanne; Switzerland www : http://ltswww.epfl.ch/ =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 07:39:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!norssi9.joensuu.fi!norssiyalu From: norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:45:17 Organization: University of Joensuu Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: norssi9.joensuu.fi X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. Thanks a lot in advance Anja From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:02:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:02:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: : ... : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload : operation. : ... : The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the : `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the : following: : : ld: Undefined symbol : _gettcs : That would be a bug -- I'll fix it. : I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the : Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this : problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C : whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. : That's correct. : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. : Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. Read about them in ckccfg.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:08:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:08:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3lh2c8$pnj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does all of this. It has a built-in TCP/IP stack that works in Windows over packet drivers, and it supports display of Finnish text during terminal emulation when the host is using the 7-bit Finnish ISO 646 character set, or 8-bit ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1, or any of about a dozen proprietary character sets. Furthermore, it also converts the special characters of Finnish (and many other languages) between the host character-set and your IBM PC code page as part of text file transfer. Read Chapter 13, International Character Sets, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for complete details. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 01:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 30 Mar 1995 01:34:46 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ... input 20 login: output peter\13 input 10 sword output xyzzy\13 ... I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) Then the script times out, sends the password, and *now* I see the Pasword: prompt. MS Kermit 3.14 PL 3 SCO UNIX Oh, this works fine on a Sun (Solaris 2.4) Thanks for any help .... -- Peter Renzland Peter@Passport.Ca 416 323-1300 Je danse donc je suis EntP Toronto Traditional Social Dance Calendar: finger/mail dance@passport.ca http://www.passport.ca/~dance From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 17:26:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 31 Mar 1995 17:26:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lhdvs$4sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >... >input 20 login: >output peter\13 >input 10 sword >output xyzzy\13 >... > >I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", >then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) > Try doing it like this: input 20 {login: } if fail stop 1 No login prompt output peter\13 input 10 {Password: } if fail stop 1 No Password prompt pause 1 output xyzzy\13 It's always good to have error handling. The other change is to INPUT the *entire* prompt. UNIX login does not permit typeahead, and it is likely that your script started sending the password too soon. (The "pause 1" might not be necessary, but better safe than sorry.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 05:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.gasou.edu!gsu!kjb From: kjb%gsu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Keith Barrs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: frame size? Date: 30 Mar 1995 05:04:57 GMT Organization: Georgia Southern University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <3lde5p$lt4@informer.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsu.cs.gasou.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu looking for kermit protocol for the macintosh From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 19:15:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 31 Mar 1995 19:15:21 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server should work, right? but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. works without security. (i.e. if i leave out the first line above) should it work? (i.e. is it implemented in msdos kermit?) and from which ckermit version on? thanks. -- Peter From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 16:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:33:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:32:57 -0500 Date: 28 Mar 1995 16:09:45 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 11:14:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Message-Id: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Mar 95 17:14:19 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: > I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also > intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. ----------- You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. It's a DOS program with Windows-smarts. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 01:39:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 02:39:00 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? I would like to se an example-script if you have one. //thanks in advance! Markus From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 17:07:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!nettle.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@nettle.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 17:07:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: nettle.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? >I would like to se an example-script if you have one. ------ ; PUCC_SLIP.KRM ; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp ; using C-Kermit 5A(191) ;-------------------- ;variable definitions ;-------------------- ;serial port number def \%o 1 ;machine name ;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu ;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) ;def \%a 128.46.161.160 def \%a 128.46.161.85 ;login def \%l laird ;password def \%p secret ;shell prompt def \%r % ;--------------------------------- ;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start set line com0 ;start SLIP.EXE !start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts ;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize !slipwait ;"share" port with SLIP.EXE set line slipcom\%o set speed 57600 ;call PUCC :DIAL dial 496-1440 if error goto DIAL ;get initial prompt output \013 input 5 username> if error goto DIAL ;send bogus userid 'cause it doesn't matter output os2user\013 ;get annex prompt input 10 > if error goto DIAL ;telnet to machine output telnet \%m\013 ;perform login sequence unixlogin \%l \%p \%r if error goto DIAL ;output BREAK to get back to annex prompt output \b ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;get a clean connection output set session passall\013 ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;return to telnet session output fg\013 ;get another shell prompt output \013 input 5 \%r if error goto DIAL ;turn off messages and start TIA output mesg n;tia\013 ;get TIA acknowledgement input 10 eady if error goto DIAL ;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port set line com0 ;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. ; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. ; The following is just because I usually want to run ; telnet. ; You could also add lines like ;!start EXPLORE.EXE ; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will ; automatically start after connection. ;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) net tcp/ip \%m ;login to machine (again) unixlogin \%l \%p \%r ;present terminal emulation screen connect From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 19:28:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 1 Apr 1995 19:28:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3lk9h9$tj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: >> I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >> intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. >----------- >You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has >it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. > ^^^ Oops, I think Joe meant "does all Norse glyphs" -- all the accented Roman letters, plus Thorn and Eth for Iceland(*) (and Old Norse). We had Thorn in Old and Middle English too, as anyone who ever had to read "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" in the original will attest. Kermit does not, however, as yet handle Runes, but I am pleased to announce that a computer encoding for the Futhark has been developed and as soon as somebody makes a code page (or PC font) for it, Kermit will be ready :-) OK, so it's April 1st and you think I'm kidding? Point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/runes.html - Frank (*) Disclaimer: Iceland does not consider itself part of Scandinavia. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:44:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!csbh!scvikevich From: scvikevich@mhv.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bad Press ?? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:44:06 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net Summary: bad press Keywords: kermit, zmodem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the Frog. ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM recovers from transmission errors more effectively than the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an interruption means downloading the entire file again. I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user community. Serge ........................................................................... . Serge Cvikevich e-mail: scvikevich@mhv.net TEL/FAX: 914-463-3035 . . . . Microanalysis Hardware & Software Support . . 47 Clover Hill Drive . . Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-3201 . ........................................................................... From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 23:20:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting result code from external command? Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 18:20:31 -0500 (EST) Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if it worked and send some sort of message... Thanks MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!btmp2h!mupp From: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:07:15 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Telephone, Antwerpen, Belgium Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Reply-To: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Nntp-Posting-Host: btmp2h.sh.bel.alcatel.be Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? TIA. M.Uppal From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 20:10:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!nntp.darmstadt.gmd.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!cs.tu-berlin.de!byteshif From: byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de (byteshifter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 01 Apr 1995 20:10:24 GMT Organization: TU Berlin Fachbereich Informatik Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 13:34:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Message-Id: <1995Mar28.193440.45947@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Mar 95 19:34:40 MDT References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) writes: > Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. > DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, > MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says > that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it > explain how this is accomplished. > > Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but > they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with > "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. > > Ugh. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -- > Andrew Joesph Esposito > Systems Administrator > Western Carolina Forklift Inc. > voice: (910) 668-0959 > fax: (910) 668-3833 --------------- Programs invariably grow larger with time, some spectacularly so, alas. MS-DOS Kermit is no exception to the rule but not to the second part. Depending on your needs version 3.14 is offered in three sizes: regular full featured, medium-sized MSK which removes TCP/IP and other networking support and graphics, and BBS sized MSK Lite. The last also omits terminal emulation and is a file mover rather than that plus terminal emulation. I suspect the medium size might be a good choice since the XT's likely have no networking. Please do inspect these variations for the best match at your site. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, binary file msvibm.zip has them all. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 12:48:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 12:48:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3lm6e4$9qp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: > >when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more >than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's >how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? In C-Kermit the command is SET FILENAME LITERAL. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:29:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:29:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqf6$453@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be>, Manindar Uppal SH37 9612 wrote: >Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? > ftp: host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, then go to "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:31:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:31:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqib$48u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: :when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more :than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's :how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? : SET FILE NAMES LITERAL - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:35:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting result code from external command? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:35:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3lmqpc$4h3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: >In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? >i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if >it worked and send some sort of message... > This does not work in version 5A(190) and earlier. This feature will be added to the next release. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 20:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 2 Apr 1995 20:44:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3ln2bk$dhj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. >set server login USERNAME PASSWORD >server > >should work, right? > Yes, and it does. >but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that >a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. > Using the current versions of MS-DOS Kermit -- 3.14 -- and UNIX C-Kermit -- 5A(190) -- everything works as advertised, and I'm pretty sure this is also true of earlier versions. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server (as you did) and then if you send any commands to it from the UNIX C-Kermit client without logging in first, it sends back a message saying "REMOTE LOGIN is required". Then if you tell the C-Kermit client to: remote login USERNAME PASSWORD MS-DOS Kermit sends back a message saying "Kermit-MS Server ready", and then accepts REMOTE, SEND, GET, FINISH, etc, commands if they have not been DISABLE'd. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 07:52:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:56:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:55:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Capture macro Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 13 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:52:28 +0000 Message-Id: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user imput to change this. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 23:28:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 2 Apr 1995 23:28:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: >Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, >without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) >you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively >you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. > >I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have >managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user >imput to change this. > The screen is dumped to a file using the \Kdump verb. This copies the on-screen text (without highlighting, colors, etc) to a plain-text file. No escape sequences. The default file is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. If it already exists it is appended to. The \Kdump verb is assigned to Ctrl-End by default, and you can move it around with SET KEY. The screen-dump file can be changed with SET DUMP. This is all in the manual. You want a "hot key" that prompts the user for a filename to save the screen text to. Well, we can write a macro to do this, and then assign it to the desired key, along with the \Kdump verb. First let's write the macro. define getdumpfile echo SCREEN DUMP REQUESTED,- :loop,- ask \%9 {File to dump to: },- if not def \%9 goto loop,- if exist \%9 goto done,- open write \%9,- if success goto ok,- echo Error: \%9 can't be created,- goto loop,- :ok,- close write,- delete \%9,- :done,- set dump \%9,- connect This macro not only prompts for the filename, but also checks whether the named file can actually be used; if not it goes back and reprompts. Now to assign the whole process to (say) Alt-C (Alt-Shift-C), do: set key \2862 {\{Kgetdumpfile}\{Kdump}} (The arrangement of braces and slashes is a bit mysterious, but is documented in the KERMIT.BWR file.) Embellish or simplify as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 17:41:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!goya!tid.tid.es!tid.tid.es!not-for-mail From: leon@tid.tid.es (Jose Leon Gonzalez Alvarez) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Followup-To: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 3 Apr 1995 19:41:51 +0200 Organization: Telefonica I+D Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3lpc0v$qit@tid.tid.es> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: tid.tid.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27128 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2404 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ajay Shah (ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in) wrote: : I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are : behaving strangely. : Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As : long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. : The moment I say connect things get hairy. : If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, : I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin : 486 notebook running linux. : Thanks, : -ans. : -- : ------------------------- : Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay : ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah : <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key Hi, I am using expect to operate a kermit connection and things go smoothly to me. I have a HP workstation running HP-UX 9.0. Do you have kermit controlling a modem line? That's what I have and most of my problems where related to the "Hayes-controlled" setup of the modem. Best regards, Leon _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ..... 888 888888 Leon Gonzalez Alvarez ..... 888 88888888 TELEFONICA c/ Emilio Vargas, 6 ..... 888 8 888 888 INVESTIGACION 28043 Madrid (SPAIN) ooooo 888 88888 888 888 Y Phone: +34 1 337 4729 ooooo 888 8 88888888 DESARROLLO Fax: +34 1 337 4352 ooooo 888 888888 E-mail: leon@tid.es _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 20:13:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 16:13:22 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it after it's been successfully transfered. What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but with a macro instead of get. I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping over file names selected by a wild card pattern. It would probably be useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should probably be a different step from the implicit looping. [Right now, I do os specific things to build a kermit script then execute it...] Personally, I have no immediate need for this feature, but I suspect it would make my life simpler next time around. -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 22:22:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: >I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file >mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it >after it's been successfully transfered. > Future releases of Kermit will have a MOVE command that will do this. In fact, the latest OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta edit has this feature, but so far no other Kermit programs do. >What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but >with a macro instead of get. > I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? >I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping >over file names selected by a wild card pattern. > We have this in C-Kermit. We don't have it in MS-DOS Kermit. >It would probably be >useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should >probably be a different step from the implicit looping. > In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 05:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 4 Apr 1995 05:36:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kyler Laird wrote: I hope you don't mind my hacking, but I thought I could add one or two ideas. >; PUCC_SLIP.KRM >; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp >; using C-Kermit 5A(191) > >;-------------------- >;variable definitions >;-------------------- > >;serial port number >def \%o 1 > >;machine name >;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu >def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu > >;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) >;def \%a 128.46.161.160 >def \%a 128.46.161.85 > >;login >def \%l laird > >;password >def \%p secret > >;shell prompt >def \%r % > >;--------------------------------- > >;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start >set line com0 You could also say SET NETWORK TCP/IP or anything else that changes the port from the one that SLIP.EXE is defined to use. > >;start SLIP.EXE >!start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts > I'm not sure that the -comN variable is needed if you have a properly configured SLIP.CFG file. >;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize >!slipwait > >set line slipcom\%o This could have been done without SLIPWAIT by using the following C-Kermit code: :waiting set port slipcom\%o xif failure { pause 1, goto waiting } >set speed 57600 > >;call PUCC I would replace this whole dialing section with a Services Directory entry. > >;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port >set line com0 I like to use the same port just so I know that the SLIP Driver was released. set port com\%o This will fail after the SLIP Driver is released. If you didn't know the address at dial in time, but instead were told it during the login statement, you would need to parse the incoming data for the IP address and then make appropriate calls to ifconfig.exe and possibly update the RESOLVE file at this point. > >;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. >; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. >; The following is just because I usually want to run >; telnet. > >; You could also add lines like >;!start EXPLORE.EXE >; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will >; automatically start after connection. > Good points. >;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) >net tcp/ip \%m > >;login to machine (again) >unixlogin \%l \%p \%r > Again, this is perfect for a Service Directory entry. >;present terminal emulation screen >connect > Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article , > Rick Mallett wrote: > : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix > : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all > : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by > : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: > : ... > : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can > : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload > : operation. > : ... [portion deleted] > : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. > : > Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the > C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) > exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after issuing a line similar to the following: kermit -C 'pcget file, quit' Any other suggestions would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:44:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:44:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lslkn$qe8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already : eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from : getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is : the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). : : make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" : : I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after : issuing a line similar to the following: : Oops, sorry, I meant -DNOCCTRAP. If there are still holes that you need to plug, please email me directly (cuts down on newsfeed delay). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:00:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mac hebrew support? Date: 4 Apr 1995 17:00:54 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? (and if so how easy is it for novices to use) i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 08:15:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!gs.dfn.de!zam103!min007.min!rolf From: rolf@minvax.min.kfa-juelich.de (rolf skowronek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad Press ?? Message-Id: <2096@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de> Date: 4 Apr 95 08:15:33 GMT References: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Sender: news@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de Reply-To: R.Skowronek@KFA-Juelich.de Organization: KFA-Juelich Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: min007 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu scvikevich@mhv.net wrote: : May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. : here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 : author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 : Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol : developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest : file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit : characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer : speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite : of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware : has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) : Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the : Frog. : ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM : recovers from transmission errors more effectively than : the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM : operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several : several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is : inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log : and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only : downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an : interruption means downloading the entire file again. : I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user : community. : Serge A couple of weeks ago a fetched the latest versions of Kermit for VAX and for PCs from Columbia. Frank da Cruz had been posting some hints on the various parameters to experiment with (block length, window slots, etc.), which turned out to be really valuable. With a VS3100 on the one end, a PC on the other connected by a 14400 compressing modem on a terminal server I had transfer rates of 1610 chars/sec on precompressed binaries. I am not convinced I've got the optimal setting bacause I did not experiment a lot - just followed Franks hints. When I connect to a local BBS using Zmodem, I dont't get any higher transfer rates either. But Kermit is not only a protocol - its a good terminal with many other facilities. I never had the need to continue an interrupted transfer yet but I am convinced Kermit will handle this condition well also. I have been using Kermit for many years and it turned out to be coping with practically every possible hardware configuration. My believe is if Kermit won't run - nothing else will. Rolf -- e-mail: r.skowronek@kfa-juelich.de From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 17:21:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 4 Apr 1995 13:21:57 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz: I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for this feature. [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send command.] -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 04:20:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:20:19 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95094.082019HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To CAPTURE VTxxx session (segments) to a file (E.g., VTXXX.LOG), without the VTxxx escape sequences imbedded, "take" the following MS-Kermit 3.14 script segment (thanks to Joe D.): ; Log session without Esc codes. Hot key toggle is Ctrl-PrintScreen. define WarnApnd Echo Note: Existing Session Log file VTXXX.LOG will, - Echo be appended until it's renamed or erased.\10, - run PAUSE assign \%u \Fsize(VTXXX.LOG) ; 'set printer' does not like null files. if equal \%u 0 RUN ERASE VTXXX.LOG ; So erase any zero byte log file. if exist VTXXX.LOG Do WarnApnd ; Notify about appending if necessary. set printer VTXXX.LOG ; ASCII session logging will be to VTXXX.LOG. Then after this script has been run, to toggle session logging to this file on/off, simply press Ctrl-PrintScreen. The resulting file, VTXXX.LOG in this example, when closed (or MS-Kermit exited) will contain an ASCII session log (excluding full-screens - E.g., VMS EDT screens) without Esc sequences; so (unlike unlike a file produced with 'log session') this ASCII session log cannot be REPLAYed of course. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 04:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 3 Apr 1995 04:06:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lns7n$3a2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu byteshifter (byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: : when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more : than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's SET FILE NAMES LITERAL in your .kermrc will do what you want, but also has some effect on path names, so that if you try to transfer /etc/passwd, you have to make sure that you specify an output name as well as the input name. And of course, if you transfer files to some system that doesn't know what to do with the filenames that you have under a smarter OS, it won't work. Transferring to/from a variety of systems, I find it easiest to leave the Kermit default as is, and rename the files later. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:50:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:50:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3luana$7s0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: : Frank da Cruz: : I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit : you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? : : I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred : mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. : Terrific. \\ffiles() works in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, but not in CMS Kermit. There is probably some other way to do this in CMS Kermit with REXX or EXEC. : In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get : each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example : in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). : : Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for : this feature. : : [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which : would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send : command.] : Kind of like what the ftp client and server do. Good idea. We'll add it to the list for future releases. For now, assuming the server is running on UNIX, you can simulate this with something like: remote host echo oofa.* > /tmp/x get /tmp/x and then use OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ to read the filenames into an array. Replace the above two lines with the equivalents for VMS, CMS, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:54:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mac hebrew support? Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:54:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3luavr$84t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? > I never heard of one. >(and if so how easy is it for novices to use) >i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, >there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew >e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... > It's totally practical with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, both of which fully support Hebrew terminal emulation. Unfortunately, Mac Kermit was orphaned years ago. We don't have access to the services of any qualified Macintosh programmers for further development (and bug-fixing) work. New volunteers (or cash grants to fund a development position) would be most welcome. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 22:57:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Rob kings <100443.2263@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: aborting kermit Date: 4 Apr 1995 22:57:25 GMT Organization: Renal Networks Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3lsisl$mmj$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help. I'm using an visual Basic VBX (PDQComm from crescent) to talk from a PC to a number of hosts (PDP11/VAX/RS6000) and using kermit on the host to transfer files. However if I try to cancel the transfer the host machine just keeps on sending. What character sequence must I issue from my VB code to make the host 'shut up'. I had thought that this sort of thing would be covered by the crescent documentation/support (since they advertise support for kermit protocol) but it isn't. Can somebody help (preferably by e-mail as it's more accessable) as I'm getting rather desperate. Ta Rob Kings -- If you can't laugh at it, what good is it? From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 20:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:51:00 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have the following script to telnet to my provider: log session set input echo on set terminal type vt100 telnet my.isp.com input 5 login: output myname\13 input 5 Password output mypassword\13 The telnet session opens, login: appears and the script just waits. I can manually login, but the script never sees the input. What am I missing? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:43:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 6 Apr 1995 04:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3lvrgq$lsi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: Try this: > >log session >set input echo on >set terminal type vt100 set net tcp/ip set host my.isp.com >input 5 login: >output myname\13 >input 5 Password >output mypassword\13 Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!pcliff Message-Id: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.uic.edu Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:37:26 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't open output file" Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago - ADN Computer Center From: pcliff@tigger.cc.uic.edu (Paul Clifford) Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have changed some settings, but can't figure out which. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 14:39:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't open output file" Date: 6 Apr 1995 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3m0uep$8c4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu>, Paul Clifford wrote: >When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the >message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a >file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, >but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have >changed some settings, but can't figure out which. > This means that a file was coming in, Kermit got the name of the file from the incoming file header packet, transformed the name (or not) according to your SET FILE NAMES setting, got the attributes from the attribute packet, and then tried to create a new file with the given name, in either the current directory or, if you had SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and SET FILENAMES LITERAL, in whatever directory was included in the incoming filename... and then failed for some reason. Normally the reason is printed using perror(), like: write access denied, disk full, or something like that. To rule out all of the above, run Kermit with its default FILE NAMES and RECEIVE PATHNAMES settings (namely, CONVERTED and OFF, respectively), and make sure your current directory is writeable and your disk or partition is not full. If you still have a problem, then the next question would be: did you install Kermit setuid or setgid? If so, did you follow the instructions carefully for doing this? If you still can't figure out what's wrong, email me directly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!sparkle!pwolfe From: pwolfe@mcs.com (Patrick Wolfe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:26:57 GMT Organization: Out Of, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3m1mb1$619@News1.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pwolfe.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit : times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I : am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to : /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) : ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. : Any hints ? Thanks. I also get this every time I have just disconnected from a host and want to dial out somewhere else. I've found that if I connect, let the "NO CARRIER" message get displayed, and drop back to the kermit prompt, I can then dial out again. -- Patrick Wolfe (pwolfe@mcs.net) From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 07:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 13:44:28 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > that is it implies that the equivalent functions > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > When I try the following: > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, > subnetmasks, etc. > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) > 3. run kermit 3.14 > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > I get the error: > Cannot access ip type packets > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting > > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to > initialize other stuff? > ---------- First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate product, MS-DOS Kermit. As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you skipped dealing with NET.CFG. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!jeeves.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!zykin From: zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get to modem on terminal server? Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:16:45 GMT Organization: University of San Francisco Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.usfca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me how to do this: I need to set default to a directory on my VMS system, start ckermit, and grab MODEM1 on a terminal server named DEC1, then use the modem on that terminal server to dial out. I can't seem to find a way to get to the modem. I tried SET LINE MODEM1, and I get "no such device available". Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? -- |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | | <> _ | | | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | | `--' | | will not grow longer. | ____|_ ___| |___.' | | /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 21:26:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!maroon.tc.umn.edu!crhertel From: crhertel@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Christopher R Hertel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 5 Apr 1995 21:26:12 GMT Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Summary: Dialing into service. Need to echo back. Keywords: script kermit echo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Inquiry: I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have done. I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information back *as I receive it*. So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). Any info on how to... would be appreciated. I look forward to any replies. Chris Hertel crh@ubiqx.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 13:03:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.190343.46739@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 19:03:43 MDT References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > ;In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, > ;Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: > ;>1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered > ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > ;> > ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. > ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using > ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: > > ; `eval resize` > > By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. > (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? > > (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. > This news server works quite unreliable.) > -- > - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista > Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI ------------- I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:39:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: C-kermit on Linux problem Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:39:28 GMT Lines: 14 Sender: tstevens@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. Any hints ? Thanks. Ted -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 03:36:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 03:36:33 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) wrote: > I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit >times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I >am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to >/dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) >ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. >Any hints ? Thanks. Ted, The dial-out devices in Linux are called /dev/cua0 ... 3 (for COM1 ... 4). [/dev/ttyS0 ... S3 are the dial-in devices (physically the same).] Also, if the port you're using (sounds like COM3) does not have the default address and IRQ, then a "setserial" command should be used in one of the start-up files (/etc/rc.d/rc.local is good) to provide the necessary information. And too, if it's really COM3 (cua2 or S2) you're dealing with, and it does have the default IRQ, then it's using an IRQ also used by COM1 (or maybe it's COM2) and there may be a conflict. See "man setserial"; the syntax is straightforward. I hope it helps. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 02:26:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 02:26:50 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3m27ta$hqr@pirates.cs.swt.edu> References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: : > : > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and : > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP : > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading : > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't : > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; : > that is it implies that the equivalent functions : > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? : > : > When I try the following: : > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in : > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, : > subnetmasks, etc. : > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) : > 3. run kermit 3.14 : > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu : > connect : > I get the error: : > Cannot access ip type packets : > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting : > : > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to : > initialize other stuff? : > : ---------- : First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate : product, MS-DOS Kermit. : As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP : stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). : You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give : plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you : skipped dealing with NET.CFG. : Joe D. Yes that was the problem all right. I had put the stuff in net.cfg but I had two net.cfgs and either ms kermit wasn't finding it or was getting the wrong one. Thanks for all who responded. BTW this is the best newsgroup I have seen for the 'experts' responding. You are to be congratulated and thanked. tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 06:47:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!mik.uky.edu!jpsum00 From: Joey Sum Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How about kermite/2? Date: 6 Apr 95 06:47:46 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nx43.mik.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the next release of C-Kermit/2? Thanks, Joey From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 00:39:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!clouso.crim.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 00:39:54 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit for DOS, How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 04:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 04:13:58 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3m2ena$4uc@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote: ... some stuff, but he had missed the fact that Ted said the modem was on DOS's COM2. If that's the case, Ted, you want to "set line /dev/cua1". /dev/cua0=COM1, /dev/cua1=COM2, et c. You probably won't need the setserial command since it's likely that /dev/cua1 is using the normal address and IRQ. FYI, the devices /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, et c. are also COM1, COM2, et c. They're for incoming calls; say you wanted your modem to answer the phone and have the caller be offered a login prompt ... then you'd run a "getty" on one of the /dev/ttyS1 and tell the modem to answer. Sorry I wasn't so precise the first time. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 11:44:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How about kermite/2? Date: 7 Apr 1995 11:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3m38jb$qmc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Joey Sum wrote: >Hi, > I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed >that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for >people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, >respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the >next release of C-Kermit/2? The real question is: "under OS/2 what do you gain by creating a vareity of version?" The answer is not much. The reason for the different version of MS-DOS Kermit is the DOS 640k memory limit. Under OS/2, this is not an issue. Executable code which is never used is never loaded. OS/2 C-Kermit already does have much of its TCP/IP is separate DLLs. One DLL for each TCP/IP product supported. These DLLs are optional. The savings of some disk space alone is not a good enough reason to have to support multiple versions. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:51:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3m3g0r$7gi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > With Kermit for DOS, > How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" > {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} > As explained on page 100 of the French-language manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages, ISBN 2-901143-20-2. and on page 85 of the English edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. the key is Alt-minus. That is, hold down the Alt key and press the top- rank minus key (the one that is between 0 and equals sign). This switches between graphics mode and text mode. NOTE: The French edition is also available from Columbia University. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:58:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3m3ge5$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: script kermit echo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu>, Christopher R Hertel wrote: : I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have : done. : Which Kermit program are you talking about? Since there are so many of them, it is always a good idea to say which one. : I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will : simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture : about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information : back *as I receive it*. : : So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo : it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I : know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). : Please pick up a copy of the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Read the chapters on script programming, especially the INPUT, OUTPUT, and LOG SESSION commands. These will show you exactly what to do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 12:58:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Set Key and LInux ckermit Message-Id: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:58:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI, I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the function keys. Is there a work around this situation? Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 16:54:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit Date: 7 Apr 1995 16:54:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function >keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the >function keys. Is there a work around this situation? > UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level scan codes. So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys, you have to do it outside of Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:49:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:49:11 GMT Lines: 232 Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am posting from Japan, and using computers with the programs which support the `kermit' protocol and Japanese Language. We kermit users in Japan have the newsgroup named fj.kermit which looks like this newsgroup in Japan. `fj' means `From Japan', so many articles are written by Japanese language (a Japanese font needs two or more bytes of code) that you can read them with some software which can disp Japanese fonts. About a month ago, some guys started to post silly messages to this newsgroup. We thought that they were mistaking this for the Kermit in the Sesami Street at first, so write them that. But they were not. They have been posting more and more silly and/or sexcial messages, laughing at us because our articles are written by Japanese which they can't read and understand. They ignoring our cautions. We Japanese kermit users are lost in thought. Please somebody stop their act. Do you know what we shall do? Thanks. The guys's e-mail adress are Lemonhead kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Magnolia Thunderpussy Jesus Christ and following are some examples of their messages. ------Ex.1----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!monju!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: 4 Apr 1995 16:09:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP ------Ex.2----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!wnoc-snd-ss2!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:43:23 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 4 Apr 1995, KERMELLA wrote: > Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > > just ignore them Kerm, if they don't stop soon will sic Ms Piggy on em HIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.3----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:14:59 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > >> Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > >> my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > >> body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > Why don't you post to: > comp.protocols.kermit.announce > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > More people can hear your report than fj.kermit.:-p > becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit I think I need to repost the FAQ -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.4----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: fj.kermit FAQ Posting ver. 1.1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:28:31 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 92 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FAQ FOR FJ.KERMIT 1. What does fj.kermit stand for? fj.kermit stands for FrogJelly.Kermit, not- I reapeat- NOT "From Japan" as some frog h-hating detractors would have you believe. 2. What is the purpose of this group? to talk about frogjelly and kermit 3. What's with these pesky people who insist that this newsgroup is supposed to be about some goddamn new-fangled Japanese program thinggy? They're on crack 4. Where can I get me a supply of that crack? It's in the water system of Illinois 5. What happens when you put the largest piece of Cap'n Crunch known to mankind in a testube of water, let it sit there until it decays into dirt, and then put a nice purty flower in said tube? I don't know. 6. Who the hell is this Mujibar Smedjkal? He is the well-dressed styrofoam boy that lives on our bathroom light. He watches me while I shower and it excites me. He also is conducting the Cap'n Experiment. 7. Who put the "bop" in the "bop shoo wop shooo wop?" Mujibar 8. Who is the loudest person in the world? Me. 9. I have a roomfull of empty pizza boxes, what can I do with them? Give them to me. 10. What exactly is "free stuff?" Anything you can grab, especially "slippery when wet" signs in Spanish. 11. What's the best breakfast food ever? Bacon, lots and lots of bacon. 12. If you can fool the mamma, and you can fool the papa, who can you still not fool? "The mirror baby" -Dick Vitale 13. How many people actually read this group? If you are reading this, one. I can't read. 14. What is the most effective put-down ever? "Your Momma", you can't come back from that. 15. What's your favorite line of Zulu poetry, Kevin? "I saw a great man who kissed me on all of my thousand cheeks, and I knew then that I would know him forever." 16. If George Washington and Abraham Lincoln where to get into an all-out fight, who would win? Lincoln, no contest. George was a sickly old man who was so weak he couldn't even keep his teeth in, while Abe was a rugged and scrappy lumberjack/pioneer who could build a log cabin with his bare hands. Abe also has the reach advantage. 17. Who is Yoda? A film star and our maid. 18. I can't seem to understand what the hell this group is about. That's not a question, so I don't have to produce an answer. 19. If God were a musician, who would he be? Bob Mould 20. What is the official language of this newsgroup? Red-blooded American English, and if you don't like it- Dave has a shotgun and a very large knife that might convince you. America also has the Bomb and Japan doesn't :p 21. How many questions are gonna be in this damn FAQ? Umm, tis is good, I'm tired of typing. -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ----------Ex.s end--------Ex.s end--------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 05:40:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Re: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.054056.11558@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:40:56 GMT Lines: 116 References: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is new example of messages from one of those guys. Plese note that Ex.6 contains Japanese code inside. -----Ex.5-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:38:08 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltsql$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > |becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: > |COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc > | > |This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit > No. > That's the best come-back you have? "No" ??? > Newsgroups begin with FJ.* means news articles From Japan. > Many other newsgroups which includes many articles from > japan are delivered to the newsgroups under FJ category. > fj.kermit is one of the newsgroup under FJ category > which is intended to discuss about the `kermit' program > used among computers. > # Not the name of frog, you love.:-) > says you. I've got a FAQ backing me, buddy boy. > |I think I need to repost the FAQ > I think that you'd better change your newsgroup to > ALT.FJ.kermit, ALT.FJ.kermit.the.frog or some. > I think YOU better change you group to anal.japanese.computer.geeks -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline -----Ex.6-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:41:00 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Apr 1995, KOJIMA Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?= wrote: > <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> $B$N5-;v$K$*$$$F(B > tss@a.u-tokyo.ac.jp (SASABE Tetsuro) $B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?(B: > > | In article > | kjm@yonka.ngy.mhi.co.jp (KOJIMA > | Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?=) writes: > | > || $B!!$d$C$Q!"(Bfj.kermit $B$O(B fj.protocols.kermit $B$H$+(B fj.net.protocols.kermit > || $B$H$+!"$=$&$$$&L>A0$KJQ$($?$[$&$,!"$h$$$N$G$O$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!)(B > | > | $B;W$$IU$-$G$9$,!"0l;~E*$K(B moderated $B$K$9$k$H$$$&$N$O$I$&$G$7$g$&$+!#(B I don't know what this is about cuz it's in that Pig Latin/Voodoo Hex language, but I DO know that whoever wrote it was talking about moderating this group or something. I tell you there IS a moderator for this group and it's Kermit D. Frog, with a big jar of frogjelly in his hand about to spread it on his toast- yes TOAST -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ----------Ex.s end---------Ex.s end---------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 03:51:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can send but not receive? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.095124.46913@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 09:51:24 MDT References: <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, sbrant@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set set up a file transfer script using DynaComm > from FutureSoft and C-Kermit on VAX/VMS and am having problems > receiving. > > I can send files in either binary or text format to the VAX > with no problems. However, when I try to receive, the transfer > ends almost immediately. > > I have also tried using Kermit-32 on the VAX with exactly the > same results. The transfer to VAX worked fined, but the > transfer back from the VAX failed immediately. ---------- I've not heard of DynaComm and thus have no idea of what it does. But the symptoms are that it objects to the file transfer to it. The standard diagnosis method is to log packets (LOG PACKET command) on each side so technical people can see who said what to whom. In the end, I think you will need to talk with the FutureSoft people about their program. Joe D. p to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, get BINARY file msvibm.zip. In there we discuss SLIP, and we also provide a SLIP Packet Driver. There is no TN3270 emulation at this time in MSK. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 11:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:36:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:35:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/ Token Ring/ ODI Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 14 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:42:24 +0000 Message-Id: <797168544snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has ANYONE managed to get MSK314 to work with ODI drivers running over a Token Ring network? In particular genuine IBM cards (TOKEN.COM). In the early BETA versions this worked fine, but since I got the final release the program ceases to connect :-(. I'd appreciate a look at copies of working NET.CFGs if possible. NB if the ODITRPKT shim is loaded THEN MSK314 works fine. But I wan to run it in native ODI mode. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 14:01:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get to modem on terminal server? Message-Id: <1995Apr7.100100.741@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 7 Apr 95 10:01:00 -0400 References: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu>, zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) writes: > Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I > have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? > your sysadmin has to declare the modem1 on the decserver as a lat service, and gife you access to it... it's in the doccos somewhere. see the dialout com file sniplet in the decserver's load image directory. need more, mail me. > -- > |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. > | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | > | <> _ | | > | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | > | `--' | | will not grow longer. | > ____|_ ___| |___.' | | > /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' i love that sig. /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:40:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:40:26 GMT Organization: S Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3m6e9q$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu where can I download the manual ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:45:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: . logon macros Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:45:10 GMT Organization: S Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a newbie. How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ? How to automate logons (to several hosts) ? Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 09:33:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.153344.46943@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 15:33:44 MDT References: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good > solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix > machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). > > This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, > but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: > > On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows > and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? Yes, of course. Note that Novell's TSU transitory helper simulates COM ports. Just choose another COM port and use SET PORT BIOSx in Kermit. > On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2) > provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP > link? Huh? What's the bottom end have to do with Telnet? PPP could care less about what's in an IP packet; it's just moved to the other end of the wire. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 01:04:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!winternet.com!interactive.net!usenet From: jvs@interactive.net (Joe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help using Kermit via dial up SLIP to telnet TN3270 Date: 7 Apr 1995 01:04:08 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3m2328$g6f@ns1.interactive.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: user154.interactive.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to dial directly by phone and emulate a vt320 and it works fine on the university VM system. However, I would like to use telnet. I have a dial up slip account and I use Trumpet winsock. Is it possible to use Kermit to control the screen and the keyboard while using a SLIP? I have the telnet address of the university computer but regular telnet does not work, they say you need TN3270. I figured Kermit might be able to work and emulate a TN3270. First, is it possible and do I need other software? Second, how do I do it? I tried and it keeps asking me for a "packet driver" but I am not running an ethernet card, I am using a modem. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:41:15 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dasilva@ccnet.com wrote: : I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have : the following script to telnet to my provider: : log session : set input echo on : set terminal type vt100 : telnet my.isp.com replace this with set port tcp/ip my.isp.com : input 5 login: : output myname\13 : input 5 Password : output mypassword\13 Add a connect if desired at this stage. telnet my.isp.com is equivalent to: set port tcp/ip my.isp.com connect which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:24:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:54:58 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3m8jmq$cdn@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert Ong (onglc@technet.sg) wrote: : Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client : in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer : as an ASCII/dumb terminal? : I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come : with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our : Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP : driver that does the same thing? There are 2 ways you can do this with MS-Kermit and Novell's Client Kit: 1) Run an ODI driver, and define a Protocol Kermit that uses a Frame Type Ethernet_II as described in the docs for MS-Kermit. (I can supply a couple of examples when I'm back at work, so email me if you want them). 2) Run Novell's TCP/IP transport (TCPIP.EXE) and do a SET PORT TELAPI host, where host is the name or IP address of the Unix machine. ftp.novell.com has updates for the Netware clients which are worth considering if your Netware client software isn't current. If your Unix host is running Novell's Unixware or other Unix supporting Novell'sNVT/NVT2, you can also load the client NVT.EXE TSR and use MS-Kermit with a SET PORT BIOS1, but you lose some memory and/or functionality compared with the 2 previously mentioned methods. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 14:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 9 Apr 1995 15:41:40 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. //Markus : Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 : "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." : "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." : OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 02:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Apr9.085902.46973@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 08:59:02 MDT References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > > Hi, > > Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client > in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer > as an ASCII/dumb terminal? > > I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come > with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our > Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP > driver that does the same thing? ----------- MS-DOS Kermit has an internal TCP/IP protocol stack. A "driver" is normally a handler of a piece of hardware or similar, rather than a large complex protocol stack. As Arthur Marsh points out in a previous reply, MSK can use its internal TCP/IP stack and it can run over the top of TCP/IP stacks from other vendors: Novell, FTP Inc, Beame and Whiteside. There's no need to be a truely stupid ASCII terminal in this situation. Use the sophisticated terminal emulation capabilities of MSK and have your Unix machine exploit it's terminfo/termcap. The results are worth it. VT320 is recommended, fall back to VT220 if the Unix machine does not know about VT320's. Please do review the documentation accompanying the MSK release because we try to explain many of these things there. Quick start kit is binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 17:14:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 17:14:06 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in advance, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 19:23:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!lloo From: lloo@uoguelph.ca (Leon Loo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Detecting CD via Script Date: 9 Apr 1995 19:23:58 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which would let me do this. I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0. Any help would be appriciated. Leon Loo Systems Analysis University of Guelph lloo@uoguelph.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 21:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:56:23 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when I try to get/send files. If I leave the lines: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect in my mscustom.ini file then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are and the send/get eventually times out. However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. A second problem: When I try to use either the finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit from the alpha after I've started the server there, nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. Any known problems here or is it just me? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 16:37:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:37:39 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m92gj$mi1@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: >which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows >doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. Thanks Arthur - this last bit of info was what I seemed to miss in the manual. David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 13:02:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Message-Id: <1995Apr9.190207.47027@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 19:02:07 MDT References: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha > which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit > terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when > I try to get/send files. > > If I leave the lines: > set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > in my mscustom.ini file One really ought not do a CONNECT in the startup file because that invokes the TCP/IP session right away, leaving no time to do local setup busywork. The session will timeout if you don't login/password at that point. > then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on > the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. > But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are > and the send/get eventually times out. This works perfectly, so we can guess there is more going on at your desktop than what you describe. Once C Kermit is in SERVER mode press ALT-X on your PC, then issue the send/get commands. Make sure no other macros or script commands have intervened to change the comms channel to a serial port. Do a SHOW COM before get/send to verify matters. I'll bet you have a SET PORT in there somewhere after the Connect. > However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini > and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I > start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone > tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon > leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. > > A second problem: When I try to use either the > finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit > from the alpha after I've started the server there, > nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there > is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. > Any known problems here or is it just me? Works fine. But.... If your Alpha is running VMS Virtual Terminals (VT types) then they normally don't sense the end of a session and quit; they persist and persist with C Kermit still running. Best to remove the VT support as a pain. FINISH does not close down connections, but BYE does. VMS VT's don't respond well when the application (C Kermit in this case) tries to shut down the link. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 05:38:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 10 Apr 1995 05:38:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3mag92$9cg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se>, Markus Hdrnvi wrote: >Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? > >My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. > Sorry, but No. PPP is implemented directly in the IBM Dialer. There is no external interface that I am aware of. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Modem diagnostic program? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:24:44 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: lachman@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? Hans Lachman From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:15:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!saclink1.csus.edu!sac87574 From: sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 03:15:29 GMT Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sac87574%@saclink1.csus.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 06:15:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: <1995Apr9.121553.46985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 12:15:53 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error > correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem > eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation > that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some > character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, > it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen > still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs > so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' > and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the > character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in > advance, > > Jeff ------- It's not Greek greek but rather IBM PC Code Page greek. That is, the high bit set stuff. The likely cause is reception of SI and SO control codes (^O, ^N) which cause a shift of character sets ("real" VTxxx's do exactly the same). Pressing the \ktermreset key, ALT equals, will put things back together again. The only sure cure is to get rid of the corrupted bytes coming in from the wire. A temp workaround is putting ASCII in character set working buffer G1 (to/from which the ^O/^N guys are toggling) via command SET TERM CHAR ASCII G1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 6 Apr 1995 00:00:57 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and successfully run it over Novell's LANWP tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading the documentation in seems to imply that you don't need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; that is it implies that the equivalent functions are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? When I try the following: 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in my mscustom.ini - such as domain, subnetmasks, etc. 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) 3. run kermit 3.14 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect I get the error: Cannot access ip type packets Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to initialize other stuff? Any help will be appreciated? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 11:32:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit(190) & Aix 3.2.5 (RS/6000)... Date: 10 Apr 1995 11:32:06 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mb4vm$dtt@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sometimes does funny things - Kermit process doesn't allow itself to be killed, it just stays in "exiting" state. This situation can only be resolved by shutting the RS/6000 down. And it sure is not the most elegant way to kill processess when you have dozens of users logged in. Anyone knows why this happens or how to prevent it? Regards, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Systems Manager Analyste Oy / Finland tel.+358-31-2133544 fax.+358-31-2227701 Email: Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Message-Id: <1995Apr10.093738.47069@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:37:38 MDT References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu>, sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) writes: > It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my > server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and > basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things > up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program > can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! ---------- Nice grumble, but what can we say to help? For openers, what programs (and versions) are being run on each end, what's the comms link like, and all those nasty detail things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:40:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr10.094040.47071@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:40:40 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Tom F McCabe (tm@astros.cs.swt.edu) wrote: > > : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > : that is it implies that the equivalent functions > : are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > You've just about answered one of my questions. > > I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but > not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes > with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows? --------- Sad but true. TELAPI and TSU are included only in the full product and not in the Client Kit. Novell management made that decision for reasons not explained to the customer base. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 16:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 16:58:04 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3mbo2s$b58@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Scott Hanson (sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu) wrote: : It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my : server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and : basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things : up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program : can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! Sometimes it's the only choice. For our IBM mainframes here, for instance. They have a "one way at a time" communications interface. That means Z-modem can't deal with it. John Price From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:38:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program? Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:38:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3mc8hh$bjp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? >Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? > >I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They >installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit >that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent >that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now >they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, >and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to >verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further >with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? > If the modem is hooked up and working, and Kermit is configured corrected to use it, you should be able to CONNECT to the modem, type AT and then press the Enter key, and see the AT letters echo, and see the response from the modem, either "OK" or "0" depending on its response mode -- assuming the modem has not been configured to no-echo, no-response mode. From the MS-Kermit> prompt, you can type "show communications" to see all of Kermit's communications-related settings (comm port, speed, etc) and the status of the modem signals, which are the essential clues. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:52:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mc9bc$d44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, Leon Loo wrote: >I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line >while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. > The command is: wait CD - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:10:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tuning Kermit Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:24:44 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine (system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90). When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about all we could do. Any hints? John Price Temple University NOC From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:04:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:40:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:40:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cisco Question... Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:04:14 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mbruu$du9@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I read the FAQ, and it mentions problems with the cisco software and the tn3270 emulation. It said that ("hopefully") would be fixed in ver 10.3. The question is, when did the the problem start? We are trying to tune kermit speed on an IBM 3090 through a Cisco telnet server. Cisco is running ver 9.1(11). Will an upgrade do us *any* good at all? Thanks John Price From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 10:20:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:59:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:59:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script Message-Id: <1995Apr9.162053.47013@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 16:20:53 MDT References: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, lloo@uoguelph.ca (Leon Loo) writes: > I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line > while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. > I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which > would let me do this. > > I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0. > > Any help would be appriciated. ------------- The answer is in the old rule of "only one device driver per device." If a SLIP Packet Driver owns the serial port then Kermit can't without creating a conflict. I presume you unfortunately purchased an internal modem, and hence lack lightblubs to watch on the unit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 10:20:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 00:11:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 00:11:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Date: 6 Apr 1995 10:20:56 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> of Frank da Cruz X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ;In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, ;Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: ;>1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? ;> ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: ; `eval resize` By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. This news server works quite unreliable.) -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 08:50:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:18:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad Press ?? Date: 8 Apr 1995 18:20:10 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3m5io2$ros@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu scvikevich@mhv.net wrote: : Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol [deleted] : ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. [deleted] : I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user : community. If someone wanted to seriously cover Kermit and Zmodem, they should do a literature search, obtain the latest versions and documentation, compare them with each other and at least the most popular third party implementations over several hardware and software platforms and save their publishing until they have given the original and third party authors a chance to respond to the investigator's observations. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 09:02:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:49:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:49:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Date: 8 Apr 1995 18:32:29 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2) provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP link? Thanks, Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 10:11:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 07:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 07:55:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]Multiple TCP/IP sessions terminated. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 13:11:10 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 8 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: x Message-Id: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su Nntp-Posting-Host: news.demos.su X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] X-Return-Path: news.demos.su!kremvax.demos.su!phreak!chermk!chermk.vologda.su!mar Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi ALL ! I have kermit 3.14 . I am starting multiple TCP/IP sessions with SCO Unix . I have "$" on my screen . If I do not work more two ours then my sesssion is terminated . All processes are terminated too. How avoid it ? Michael Reznikov . From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 05:29:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:37:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:29:23 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95096.092924HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program? Distribution: na References: Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Shareware program, Modem Doctor runs some elementary modem diagnostics. Contact info: The Modem Doctor Copyr. 1989, 1990,1991 Hank Volpe P.O. Box 43214 Baltimore MD 21236 410-256-5767 BBS line 410-256-3631 From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 14:31:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:31:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:31:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tuning Kermit Date: 11 Apr 1995 14:31:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3me3sd$cb8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: : We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco : terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have : problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine : (system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same : throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90). : : When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our : tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about : all we could do. Any hints? : When you go through a 3270 emulator, you're at its mercy. This is a perfect example of why Kermit lets you specify the packet length, and why it uses a short default packet length. If longer packets kill the 3270 emulator, then that's all there is to it. Preliminary reports indicate that Cisco release 10.3 will let you transfer files through its 3270 emulator with packets up to about 1900 bytes in length. That's a big improvement. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 17:10:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11609 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:02:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:02:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I just read the FAQ... Date: 6 Apr 1995 17:10:16 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3m179p$595@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just read the FAQ, and it mentions under heading 5 (about tn3270 kermit transfers) that there are bugs in the "cisco software" that prevent speedy kermit transfers. (to be fixed in ver. 10.3...) Can anyone tell me more about these bugs? were using kermit to transfer files to/from and IBM mainframe, and the max packet length were getting is 90. (yes, I am checking the max-converter length. John Price From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 23:54:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:24:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:24:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 11 Apr 1995 23:54:07 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit *after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 13:36:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:56:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:56:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!info.curtin.edu.au!cube.curtin.edu.au!zcookbruc From: zcookbruc@vax3.curtin.EDU.AU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windoze NT Date: 11 Apr 95 22:36:54 +0900 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax3.curtin.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all I'm looking for a Kermit for Windoze NT IF there's none, where should I start from MSKER* or C-kermit ? I think C-kermit, because we don't want all the PC fruit, any opinions ...BRU 995Apr6.190343.46739@cc.usu.edu> of Joe Doupnik X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: ;In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: ;> By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. ;> (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? ;> ;> (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. ;> This news server works quite unreliable.) ; I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" ;above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care ;to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix ;host. I noticed that problem first with my program, which uses same kind method than resize for determining screen size. But that problem is visible also with 'resize' -program. With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.10 output of resize is correct: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '24'; unset noglob; With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 output of resize is incorrect: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '231'; unset noglob; [ Answer cc'ed to Joe Doupnik. ] -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 16:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:07:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Message-Id: <1995Apr11.220837.47260@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Apr 95 22:08:36 MDT References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3me4ll$hvf@kronos.fmi.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3me4ll$hvf@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: > > ;In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > ;> By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. > ;> (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? > ;> > ;> (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. > ;> This news server works quite unreliable.) > > ; I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" > ;above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care > ;to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix > ;host. > > I noticed that problem first with my program, which uses same kind > method than resize for determining screen size. But that problem > is visible also with 'resize' -program. > > With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.10 output of resize is correct: > set noglob; > setenv COLUMNS '80'; > setenv LINES '24'; > unset noglob; > > With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 output of resize is incorrect: > set noglob; > setenv COLUMNS '80'; > setenv LINES '231'; > unset noglob; > > [ Answer cc'ed to Joe Doupnik. ] > -- > - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista > Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI ------------ It's a known problem, a bug if you wish. The problem is the resize program tries to drive the cursor to the extreme lower right by extraordinary amounts. The requested column is greater than 255 and unfortunately the column variable in the calculation is only one byte wide. This results in modulo 255 work, keeping the remainder for the column. There will be a patch for this in the near future. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 16:12:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:08:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:08:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windoze NT Message-Id: <1995Apr11.221233.47262@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Apr 95 22:12:31 MDT References: <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au>, zcookbruc@cube.curtin.edu.au writes: > The subject says it all > > I'm looking for a Kermit for Windoze NT > > IF there's none, where should I start from > MSKER* or C-kermit ? > > I think C-kermit, because we don't want all the PC fruit, any opinions > > ...BRU --------- Your choice my friend. Right now MS-DOS Kermit is the item which runs in NT out of the box. It also does so in Win95, and OS/2 (for which we also have C Kermit for OS/2). One needs to keep in mind the development effort behind moving to different operating systems, and the number of person-hours available to the project, not to mention money. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 04:29:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:11:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!lantana.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 8 Apr 1995 04:29:26 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer as an ASCII/dumb terminal? I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP driver that does the same thing? Thanks in advance. Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 15:08:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:29:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:29:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: . logon macros Message-Id: <1995Apr8.210816.46958@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 21:08:16 MDT References: <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 72 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca>, aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) writes: > > I am a newbie. > > How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ? > How to automate logons (to several hosts) ? > Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ? ----------- The manuals for C Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit are books, as indicated below in the MS-DOS Kermit release notes. Please read the appropriate manual and the release notes for how to use script commands. The Kermit project does not provide X/Y/Zmodem protocol programs, and there isn't a protocol named ANSI that I've heard of. For full particulars please use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for the pre-built programs such as binary file msvibm.zip. The list's FAQ is available from the same site. Joe D. -------------- Documentation: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Includes MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on 3.5" HD diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The user manual is supplemented by KERMIT.UPD, KERMIT.BWR, and other text files on the distribution diskette, but they are not a substitute for the manual itself. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 01:52:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:12:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:12:51 -0400 Control: cancel <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!kuis-news!kudpc!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr9.015252.5254@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 01:52:52 GMT Lines: 3 Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I got a email requesting me to cancel my posts. The guys' real name was written in it and It told me how I can stop their acts. So I de ide canceling them. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 14:31:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:31:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 12 Apr 1995 14:31:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3mgo85$2pg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu>, Watson, John McClain wrote: >I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit *after* I >retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as the >transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly changes >to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit several >time and have done everything I know. > As explained in the documentation and in our FAQ, the transfer mode -- text or binary -- is generally determined by the file sender. You have evidently put the file receiver into binary mode but not the sender. The sender's file attribute packet contains an indication of the sender's transfer mode -- in this case text -- and the the receiver switches automatically to the sender's mode. By the way, this would not happen if you were using the very latest versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (see the FAQ for details). Solution: tell the file SENDER to "set file type binary". The FAQ can be found at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 13:54:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:30:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:30:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 10 Apr 1995 23:24:44 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 69 Message-Id: <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom F McCabe (tm@astros.cs.swt.edu) wrote: : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; : that is it implies that the equivalent functions : are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? You've just about answered one of my questions. I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows? : When I try the following: : 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in : my mscustom.ini - such as domain, : subnetmasks, etc. : 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) : 3. run kermit 3.14 : 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu : connect : I get the error: : Cannot access ip type packets : Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting : Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to : initialize other stuff? : Any help will be appreciated? You can either run the LANWP TCP/IP, or someone else's or Kermit's built-in TCP/IP, but only one at a time. A typical net.cfg for a Netware 3.12 client with VLM's and using Kermit's built-in TCP/IP would look like: protocol KERMIT bind NE2000 Link Driver NE2000 Int 5 Port 300 Frame Ethernet_802.2 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II ; Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II ; RARP doesn't work with my host First Network Drive F Link Support Buffers 6 1600 MemPool 2048 ; Change to suit your network card, Interrupt, port address... Then do the SET TCP/IP parameters as required in your MSCUSTOM.INI and a set port TCP/IP to get connected. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 14:28:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:39:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:08:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Date: 10 Apr 1995 10:28:32 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3mbfag$muh@panix.com> References: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: >Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good >solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix >machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). > >This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, >but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: > >On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows >and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? Under Windows, there's no problem. I have several dos boxes open right now, each of which has TELAPI and MS-KEMRIT 3.13 running. It works just fine, thank yu very much. I'm not sure what the limit is -- I've used a half-dozen simultaneously with no problems. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 18:47:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:47:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC VT terminal manuals needed Date: 12 Apr 1995 18:47:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mh778$1ur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Do you have any old DEC VT100, 102, ... 220, 240, 320, 340, 420 ... technical (programmer) manuals that you don't need? Most of these can no longer be purchased from DEC, and we (Kermit developers) *do* need them, and can make good use of them. If you would like to send your old VT terminal manuals (or for that matter, any working VT terminals of various models) to us, we can use them for developing and testing the terminal emulators that ultimately come back to you in our software. The same goes for Tektronix and other terminal types. If you are interested in donating old terminals or manuals, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu to make arrangements. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 02:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:50:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Apr12.084915.47282@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Apr 95 08:49:15 MDT References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit > *after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as > the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly > changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit > several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any > suggestions? Thanks. > > McClain Watson > JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu > Appalachian State University > Boone, N.C. 28608 --------------- Which Kermits? We have difficulty answering questions which are vague. The sending Kermit ultimately determines binary/text transfer mode and tells the receiving Kermit about it via file attributes packets which preceed each file. SET FILE TYPE BINARY is the command involved. The latest Kermits have the facility to have clients tell servers (no matter which way the file transfer will go) about their current text/binary state and ask the server to use that state. This is the "whatami" protocol addition, as we call it, and it is discussed in the release documentation for MSK and C Kermit. To ensure there is no misunderstanding you can say SET FILE TYPE BINARY to both sides before conducting a transfer. Servers also normally obey the REMOTE SET FILE TYPE BINARY command (from client, telling the server how to behave). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 06:28:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:30:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:30:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Roland A. Ryser <71125.320@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT emulation on AS400 Date: 12 Apr 1995 06:28:01 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for away to connect my AS400 over X.25 to a DEC VAX. Therefore I need a VT emulator to use my 5250 terminals on the IBM side. Now somebody told me to use C-Kermit. Does anyone has experience or can give me some information about it? Any help is very appreciated. Roland From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 22:06:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:13:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!jeeves.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!zykin From: zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: It just locks up! Help! Date: 12 Apr 1995 22:06:11 GMT Organization: University of San Francisco Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.usfca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use ckermit to call the bank through a DECmodem v32 (dmcl) and it does not seem to be working. The modem is hanging off a DECserver 200 on a VAX, and its termial port is lta9013: Here's what I'm doing: ALM> run ckermit C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>set line lta9013: C-Kermit>set speed 9600 _ALM$LTA9013:, 9600 bps C-Kermit>set modem df200-series C-Kermit>c Connecting to _ALM$LTA9013:, speed 9600. The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. <---- at this point it locks up solid the escape character is useless and I have to kill my process from the server prompt to get out of it, and log back on. I can dial the modem by setting host/lat to it and giving it dialing commands, but with ckermit I just lock up and can't say anything to it. Anyone have a clue? I sure don't. -- |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | | <> _ | | | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | | `--' | | will not grow longer. | ____|_ ___| |___.' | | /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 00:36:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:36:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT emulation on AS400 Date: 13 Apr 1995 00:36:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3mhrmi$b00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Roland A. Ryser <71125.320@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >I'm looking for away to connect my AS400 over X.25 to a DEC VAX. >Therefore I need a VT emulator to use my 5250 terminals on the IBM side. >Now somebody told me to use C-Kermit. Does anyone has experience or can >give me some information about it? Any help is very appreciated. > Unfortunately, the AS/400 remains one of the only computer systems that we don't have a Kermit program for (unless it is running AIX). Anyway, you're not going to have much luck using a 5250 as a terminal to a VAX, Kermit or no Kermit. They are two very different worlds. You might have better luck going in the opposite direction: initiate a connection from the VAX to the AS/400 if you can, which depends on the nature of the X.25 hookups, interfaces, and drivers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 00:41:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:41:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:41:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It just locks up! Help! Date: 13 Apr 1995 00:41:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3mhrvj$be1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu>, David Zykin wrote: : I'm trying to use ckermit to call the bank through a DECmodem v32 (dmcl) : and it does not seem to be working. : The modem is hanging off a DECserver 200 on a VAX, and its termial port : is lta9013: Here's what I'm doing: : Maybe before the "set line" command, you should give a "set modem" command? It might or might not make a difference. : C-Kermit>set line lta9013: : C-Kermit>set speed 9600 : C-Kermit>set modem df200-series <-- move this to before "set line". : C-Kermit>c : Connecting to _ALM$LTA9013:, speed 9600. : The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options. : <---- at this point it locks up solid Maybe here you should give a DIAL command, rather than trying to connect directly to the modem. Beyond these meagre bits of advice, I can only suggest you dig deeply into your DECserver documentation, LATmaster, and related items, or maybe repost your query to comp.os.vms, where the real VMS experts hang out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 13 03:46:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:37:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!jazzmin.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: allbell@jazzmin.vnet.net (AL BELL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for mac Date: 12 Apr 1995 22:46:05 -0500 Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3mi6pt$a25@jazzmin.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net Keywords: mac Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit for the Macintosh: I downloaded a test version of Macintosh Kermit from Delphi. It seems to work pretty well, except that sometimes, when I start the program, the system freezes and I get an error message that says something like "Write Error to PB -26." Does someone know what this message means? Also, I've had a hard time figuring out a way to erase other than using the backspace key. When using the Pico text editor, Is there a way to select a block of text and delete it? From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 15:09:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:37:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:37:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!cygnus.com!cygnus.com!rob From: rob@cygnus.com (Rob Savoye) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect w/ Kermit Date: 13 Apr 1995 08:09:22 -0700 Organization: Cygnus Support Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <1995Apr12.152937.1784@gcm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27544 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2495 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) writes: > I am trying to automate some file downloads (kermiting across, >ftp, transfer, download back to host machine, etc) and I am encountering >some problems. I wrote an expect script, which, when run by hand, works >fine. But, when I try to kick the expect script via filter You might want to look at DejaGnu, the 1.2 release has expect code for talking to Kermit. I use it for talking to embedded systems. - rob - -- Cygnus Support << KERNEL: Panic, core dumped >> Headquarters PO Box 1548 Darkstar crashes, 1937 Landings Drive Nederland, CO 80466 pouring its light into ashes, Mountain View, CA 94043 +1 (303) 258-0506 reason tatters, ... +1 (415) 903-1400 From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 06:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:08:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Message-Id: <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com> Date: 13 Apr 95 11:48:34 EST References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu>, sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) writes: > It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my > server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and > basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things > up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program > can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! On a connection at 9600 baud or above, this is a rather long time for Kermit to transfer the file. Using Kermit over a 9600 baud modem, I usually get transfers of 100K files taking under 2 minutes (around 900 bytes/sec or so). You need to raise the packet size and increase the number of windows, and preferably also use 8-bit transfers if possible. My guess is that either you haven't increased the parameters on _both_ the client and the server (most Kermit implementations need to have these parameters increased on both sides since the default values are very conservative and setting them on the client doesn't make it request the change in the server as well - it just causes them to negotiate the minimum values between them, which in that case would probably be the server's default values, and which are most likely not very efficient); or that your complete connection isn't as fast as you think it is (for example, there is a modem or machine in the middle somewhere that is a bottleneck and not letting more than about 200 bytes/sec through -- a 2400 baud modem, perhaps? That can appear to be faster than 2400 baud for simple text if it has V.42 bis data compression, but would seem to slow down remarkably for compressed binary transfers). If the problem is the latter, then your only solutions would be to replace the offending hardware or to find another circuit to the host that avoids using it. Moving to another protocol won't help much; properly configured, Kermit and ZModem are within a few % (single digits) of each other. (Kermit's biggest advantage is its ability to work over a much wider variety of host/client/circuit combinations). For sites where I do a lot of transfers, I prefer to put my usual settings in the appropriate .INI file, which saves a certain amount of typing on startup. For example, one CKERMIT.INI file I use for C-Kermit on several VMS systems that I regularly transfer files between is: set block 3 set send packet 1000 set receive packet 1000 set window 2 set terminal byte 8 set comm byte 8 set file type label Note that to be effective this has to be used on both sides!! Also note that it won't work for transferring files to/from PC's or Unix boxes unless you remove the `set file type label' line, and that the other parameters may or may not work (or be optimal if they do work) for your particular connection. 8-bit transfers in particular may fail on some machines that use only 7-bit ASCII, and on some circuits which include slow machines between the two endpoints, packets this long may cause characters to be dropped. Some half-duplex circuits may also not permit multiple windows to be used effectively. For what it's worth, I can configure Kermit to get around these problems but ZModem does not appear to be able to do so (although if the circuit is completely clean it is perhaps very fractionally faster, but about the only way you can tell for sure is with a stopwatch). Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 23:11:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Date: 13 Apr 1995 23:11:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3mkb38$fui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com>, wrote: : My guess is that either you haven't increased the parameters on _both_ : the client and the server (most Kermit implementations need to have : these parameters increased on both sides ... : Strictly speaking, not totally accurate. But practically speaking, good advice -- since it's easier to remember this way. However, the curious are referred to Table 8-1 on page 168 of "Using C-Kermit" for a quick summary of parameters and whose take precedence. : For sites where I do a lot of transfers, I prefer to put my usual : settings in the appropriate .INI file, which saves a certain amount : of typing on startup. For example, one CKERMIT.INI file I use for : C-Kermit on several VMS systems that I regularly transfer files : between is: : : set block 3 : set send packet 1000 : set receive packet 1000 : set window 2 : set terminal byte 8 <-- Does not affect file transfer : set comm byte 8 <-- Ditto : set file type label : : Note that to be effective this has to be used on both sides!! Also : note that it won't work for transferring files to/from PC's or Unix : boxes unless you remove the `set file type label' line... : You can generally use IF and built-in variables to construct scripts that are portable among the various C-Kermit implementations and also MS-DOS Kermit. In this case, for example: if equal "\v(system)" "VMS" set file type labeled : 8-bit transfers in particular may fail on some machines that use : only 7-bit ASCII... : But in cases where even, odd, or mark parity is being used, modern Kermit programs will detect it and switch to 8th-bit prefixing automatically. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 14:26:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:56:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:56:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!maui!gcm.com!weiwen From: weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) Subject: Kermit via filter Message-Id: <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com> Sender: usenet@gcm.com (Cnews Administrator) Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:26:45 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to run kermit from filter, using a this in my .forward : "|/vol/bin/filter -vo /tmp/filter.rr" and my filter rule being : if then execute kermit.sh where kermit.sh is a shell wrapper for an expect script that calls kermit. I do a set host internet and then I try to connect. But, I get this error : Error opening /dev/tty congm: No such device or address If I run the script by hand, I have no problems, it is only when I try to run the script executed from filter that I get this error. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. <------------------------- Expect Script -------------------------> #!/vol/bin/expect -f spawn kermit expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set host internet\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set file type binary\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set window-size 20\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "connect\r" From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 23:54:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 04:49:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 04:49:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Starting a DOS Session Hangs OS/2 C-Kermit Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 23:54:25 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5A(190) under OS/2 Warp. Whenever I start a DOS session (from a DOS 6.22 VMDISK image), my Kermit terminal emulator misbehaves. Several strange characters are printed on the screen, and the emulator hangs. I can usually regain control by randomly hitting different combinations of ALT-R, ALT-B, ALT-U, and CTRL-C. After that, everything is fine (except for file transfers, which seem to die after a few packets), even if I keep the DOS session open. But, if I open another one, it happens again. Can anybody help? Thanks ... -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 03:46:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 06:29:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 06:29:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit Message-Id: <1995Apr14.034619.18323@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 03:46:19 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu>, > wrote: >>I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function >>keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the >>function keys. Is there a work around this situation? >> >UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level >scan codes. So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys, >you have to do it outside of Kermit. > >- Frank Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 13:12:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:12:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via filter Date: 14 Apr 1995 13:12:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mlsbj$le0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com>, Wei-Wen Lee wrote: : I am trying to run kermit from filter ... : where kermit.sh is a shell wrapper for an expect script that calls : kermit. I do a set host internet and then I try to connect. But, : I get this error ... : Don't use expect to feed commands to Kermit. Just run Kermit itself instead of expect, and tell it to read its commands from a command file. It's easier, it's more straightforward, it works. You can even write UNIX C-Kermit script programs as if they were shell scripts by starting them with a line like this: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit and then giving them execute permission. See page 391 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 13:27:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:42:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry!btarr From: btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 14 Apr 1995 13:27:20 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or comments will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 15:43:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Starting a DOS Session Hangs OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 14 Apr 1995 15:43:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3mm56j$6fv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A(190) under OS/2 Warp. Whenever I start a DOS >session (from a DOS 6.22 VMDISK image), my Kermit terminal emulator >misbehaves. Several strange characters are printed on the screen, and >the emulator hangs. I can usually regain control by randomly hitting >different combinations of ALT-R, ALT-B, ALT-U, and CTRL-C. After >that, everything is fine (except for file transfers, which seem to die >after a few packets), even if I keep the DOS session open. But, if I >open another one, it happens again. Can anybody help? Since OS/2 isolates each application (and session) from each other this clearly is not a C-Kermit bug. However, it might be a bug in Os/2 VMDISK handling. My only thought is that one of the device drivers you are loading in the Virtual Machine that you are creating with VMDISK is accessing some hardware that is causing an IRQ conflict of some kind. What kind of connection are you using? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 16:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:18:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:17:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 14 Apr 1995 16:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: : I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have : this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and : sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and : the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and : sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and : try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has : never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or : comments will be appreciated. : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling it to SET PORT COM2: SET COM2 \x2f8 3 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 18:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:50:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in background Date: 14 Apr 1995 18:35:23 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a program that dials a modem and connects to a remote system. It then executes a dialog with a kermit on the remote to set it up to transfer a file. Then I want it to receive the file via kermit on my local system. I want kermit to just come up, receive a file via stdin/stdout and then go away. The whole thing will be executed via a crontab, so there will be no /dev/tty. This is on a Sun/Solaris box. The version of kermit we have (C-kermit?), when I run it with -riqd command line options, appears to attempt to open /dev/tty and otherwise behave in an unacceptable manner :-). Is there some way to make it do what I want, or is there a program that just implements the protocol using stdin/stdout as the port, without all the interactive program baggage? TIA Bob From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 22:01:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 18:01:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 18:01:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 14 Apr 1995 22:01:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerardy wrote: : The version of kermit we have (C-kermit?), when I run it with -riqd : command line options, appears to attempt to open /dev/tty and otherwise : behave in an unacceptable manner :-). Is there some way to make it do : what I want, or is there a program that just implements the protocol : using stdin/stdout as the port, without all the interactive program : baggage? : All of those. Just read the documentation. : I have a program that dials a modem and connects to a remote system. It : then executes a dialog with a kermit on the remote to set it up to : transfer a file. Then I want it to receive the file via kermit on my : local system. I want kermit to just come up, receive a file via : stdin/stdout and then go away. The whole thing will be executed via a : crontab, so there will be no /dev/tty. This is on a Sun/Solaris box. : This is a roundabout way of doing what you want. You don't need to write a program to do this -- Kermit itself can do all of it. Just make a Kermit command file (script program) that does the dialing, the logging in, the starting of Kermit on the other end, and the transferring of files. It's much more straightforward that way, and it's how C-Kermit was designed to work. See Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". You can also make it work in the setup you have, but it's more complicated. The best way of doing it is by having your program pass the communication line's file descriptor to Kermit in the -l command-line option. Read about this in Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit". Btw, the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 05:19:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 04:47:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 04:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Making SLIP.EXE in OS/2 work woth C-Kermit (191) Date: 15 Apr 1995 05:19:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 10 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cursa.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone a while ago posted a message about how to use SLIP.EXE in OS/2 Warp with the beta version of C-Kermit for OS/2 (191). I forgot to save it, and I would appreciate it if that person would send me or post that message again. In particular, i need to know the command line options to use with SLIP.EXE so that it will work with C-Kermit. Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 17:14:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 06:00:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 06:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Message-Id: <1995Apr14.231439.47586@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Apr 95 23:14:39 MDT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) writes: > I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have > this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and > sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and > the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and > sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and > try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has > never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no > other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or > comments will be appreciated. ---------- I'd say your COM2 port has troubles of some kind. As Frank da Cruz says, Windows grabs the hardware and only simulates it within Windows (to MSK). Initalizing serial ports is a fine art today with the high varibility of port hardware on the market. Major item to resolve is ensure there are no IRQ or Port conflicts. After that it's between Windows and your hardware. Some internal modems and some big square chip UARTs have difficulties after the system boots and only very careful treatment will make them respond the first time. So you may want to shop the net for a replacment Windows serial port driver. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 07:30:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 07:30:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 07:30:38 -0400 From: mosaic@yiscgw.yonsei.ac.kr (Nas Mosaic) Organization: Nas Lab of EE Dept. in Yonsei Univ. Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.hana.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet Message-Id: Control: cancel <3ml68a$t6m@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3ml68a$t6m@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 15:17:38 KST Approved: me Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 13:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:25:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:25:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making SLIP.EXE in OS/2 work woth C-Kermit (191) Date: 15 Apr 1995 13:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3mohg0$j0a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >Someone a while ago posted a message about how to use SLIP.EXE in OS/2 >Warp with the beta version of C-Kermit for OS/2 (191). I forgot to >save it, and I would appreciate it if that person would send me or >post that message again. In particular, i need to know the command >line options to use with SLIP.EXE so that it will work with C-Kermit. The SLIP.EXE command-line options have no effect on C-Kermit. They only effect the connection you are making with your provider. But a better place to put these options is in your SLIP.CFG file which is located in your ETC directory. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 15:36:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 19:56:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 19:56:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 15 Apr 1995 11:36:38 -0400 Organization: Iguana Extract Information Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3mop66$c0e@panix.com> References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From somewhere in cyberspace, btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) said: >I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have >this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and >sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and >the port defaults to BIOS2. >If you simply exit the Kermit program and >try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. I've had this problem under regular Windows (as well as WFW 3.11). I tell Kermit to "SET PORT COM2" again, and then it works -- I didn't have to exit and restart it. -- Ed Ravin | Theater is life, | eravin@panix.com | Film is art, | The meek are +1-212-678-5545 | Television is furniture. | getting ready. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 14:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:54:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:54:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 18:10:59 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95105.181059HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit HATES COM3 ! Distribution: world References: <3mouko$9g5@hustle.rahul.net> Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu COM1 (your mouse) and COM3 (your Modem card) share the same IRQ (4). So since they cannot work together like that it is not usually a good idea to configure a serial port (modem) to COM3 period; that IS possible if borrow IRQ5 which is normally dedicated to LPT2 (second parallel port) if (1) you don't have a second parallel port; (2) your modem card supports configuring the combination COM3 (\x3e8) and IRQ5; and (3) your bios supports four simultaneous serial ports (E.g., some Ambra's, AT&T's, and PS/1's only support two, and combinations like COM3 IRQ5 are not supported). Reconfigure the modem port to COM4 and make sure COM2 software isn't loaded while you're using COM4 (and conversely). Also suggest that you use the the two MS-Kermit (script) subcommands: SET COM4 \x2e8 3 SET PORT COM4 if SET PORT COM4 does not work by itself. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 15:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:10:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:10:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!psinntp!maui!gcm.com!weiwen From: weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) Subject: Expect w/ Kermit Message-Id: <1995Apr12.152937.1784@gcm.com> Sender: usenet@gcm.com (Cnews Administrator) Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 15:29:37 GMT Lines: 35 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27621 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2512 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to automate some file downloads (kermiting across, ftp, transfer, download back to host machine, etc) and I am encountering some problems. I wrote an expect script, which, when run by hand, works fine. But, when I try to kick the expect script via filter filter-rule: if then execute kermit gives me this error : Error opening /dev/tty congm: No such device or address Trying 192.9.205.2... C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) I don't know if this is a kermit problem or an expect problem. I don't THINK it is an expect problem, since expect seems to run fine. It seems like a kermit init problem, but I am not sure. In my expect script, I just do a : spawn kermit with these lines in my .kermrc set host internet set file type binary set window-size 20 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 11:55:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:12:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:12:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!nntp.hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!apang From: apang@cs.ust.hk (Albert PANG) Subject: Chinese thru Modem+Kermit+Cxterm Message-Id: <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet@uxmail.ust.hk Nntp-Posting-Host: cssu147.cs.ust.hk Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:55:50 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I have the problem of not being able to display Chinese (Multi-byte) characters when connecting my local cxterm through modem using kermit on my Linux machine at home to the remote host at my school. I can read Chinese using the same modem under the Chinese Windows Terminal program, but not write. So I guess it's not the problem of my modem, but the software that links my terminal to the modem. Anyone knows whether kermit is at all suitable for such purpose? I have played around with various communication parameters in kermit, but without avail so far. Any hint for me, please? Thanks a lot! Albert From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 15:53:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:53:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:53:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Chinese thru Modem+Kermit+Cxterm Date: 16 Apr 1995 15:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3mrei9$8nd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk>, Albert PANG wrote: > I have the problem of not being able to display Chinese (Multi-byte) > characters when connecting my local cxterm through modem using kermit > on my Linux machine at home to the remote host at my school. > Can you display Chinese when you are NOT using Kermit? If so, then perhaps there is hope. If your xterm supports Chinese character display and input, there is a good chance Kermit can use it too. I can't test this locally, so I'd appreciate hearing about the results. Anyway, the trick for enabling Chinese character display would be something like this. First, the remote host and your xterm must use the same Chinese character set, such as GB 2312-80 or Big5. Then give the following commands to Kermit: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Hopefully, Chinese characters will be displayed correctly, and you should also be able to send them correctly using whatever keyboard input method is supplied by your Chinese xterm. If not, please send email directly to kermit@columbia.edu with details. By the way, Chinese terminal emulation is also possible using the same technique with MS-DOS Kermit, provided you using a Chinese version of DOS, such as ZWDOS or KCDOS. See the article on pages 15-18 of Kermit News Number 6, which most of our subscribers (at least the ones in the USA) should have received by now. More about this in a separate posting. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 16:03:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:31:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!yama.mcc.ac.uk!io.salford.ac.uk!ais007.salford.ac.uk!ais007 From: ais007@io.salford.ac.uk (Richard Letts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 13 Apr 1995 16:03:48 GMT Organization: University of Salford Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ais007.salford.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: >Subject: Help Needed With TCP/IP >From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) >Date: 8 Apr 1995 04:29:26 GMT >Hi, > >Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client >in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer >as an ASCII/dumb terminal? yes > >I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come >with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our >Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP >driver that does the same thing? > nope; If you have ODI drivers installed on your PC then MS-Kermit from 3.12 ( and later) have TCPIP (with bootp, dns etc) built in and you don't need anything extra. You will however need the right thing in your net.cfg: something like: Link Driver .... int .... port .... mem .... frame ethernet_ii protocol IP 0800 ethernet_ii protocol ARP 0806 ethernet_ii {merge this with whatever you have for your Novell setup} Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Network Manager mail: R.J.Letts@salford.ac.uk University of Salford phone: +44 161 745 5252 Great Britain fax: +44 161 745 5888 From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 20:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:48:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:48:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.aos,comp.os.qnx,comp.os.os9,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.stratus,comp.sys.hp.apps Subject: Kermit News #6 Available on the Web Date: 16 Apr 1995 20:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3mrvqk$1uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2516 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:31519 comp.dcom.modems:88713 comp.os.aos:471 comp.os.qnx:4004 comp.os.os9:6327 comp.os.vms:99645 comp.unix.solaris:43327 comp.sys.stratus:1116 comp.sys.hp.apps:3428 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Issue 6 of Kermit News, the printed journal of Columbia University's Kermit project (Kermit = file transfer protocol and communications software), mailed to its subscribers last week, is now also available on the World Wide Web in hypertext (html) format at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Kermit News #6 announces new releases of Kermit software for DOS, Windows, UNIX, VMS, OS/2, QNX, Stratus VOS, DG AOS/VS, Microware OS-9, IBM mainframe operating systems, PDP-11s, etc etc, and even for GNU EMACS. It includes articles on new Kermit features including file transfer recovery and auto up/download. Feature stories include: . How to use Kermit software to access newsgroups and Web pages that are written in non-Roman, non-Latin-1 character sets. . How Kermit software "won" the 1994 Brazilian national election. . How Kermit software is automating US mail delivery. . How Kermit software is being used by mobile market researchers in the UK. . How Kermit software makes life easier for people with print handicaps. Back issues of Kermit News are also available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html To enter the "Kermit world" at the top, use: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 13:17:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 18:53:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 18:53:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!cnews.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!pcliff Message-Id: <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.uic.edu Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:17:53 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set file names Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago - ADN Computer Center From: pcliff@tigger.cc.uic.edu (Paul Clifford) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If I try to download a file to my local machine (using Linux c-kermit) from a remote computer (which uses c-kermit), the filename always ends up in uppercase. That is, if I issue the "receive" command from the local computer after telling the remote box to "send foobar.txt", the file will always appear as "FOOBAR.TXT". Typing "set file names literal" on the remote or local, or both, computers doesn't seem to change the result. Only if I tell the remote to "send foobar.txt foobar.txt" will the downloaded file appear in lowercase. Is there any way to configure settings so that I can simply use "receive" or "r" on my local box and no conversion will take place. Thanks for any help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 23:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:44:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set file names Date: 16 Apr 1995 23:44:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3msa54$flr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu>, Paul Clifford wrote: : If I try to download a file to my local machine (using Linux c-kermit) : from a remote computer (which uses c-kermit), the filename always ends : up in uppercase. That is, if I issue the "receive" command from the : local computer after telling the remote box to "send foobar.txt", the file : will always appear as "FOOBAR.TXT". Typing "set file names : literal" on the remote or local, or both, computers doesn't seem to : change the result. : If you just accept the defaults, here's what happens: The sending C-Kermit uppercases the name, and the receiving C-Kermit lowercases it again. So without any special commands, you should get the result you want most of the time. The only time you need to "set file names literal" is if you do not want pathnames stripped, or if filenames contain multiple periods that you want to keep, or if they contain other "strange" characters that Kermit converts to "X". Note that if "file names" are "converted" (the default, i.e. not "literal") at the sender, but *are* literal at the receiver, you will see the behavior you report. Btw, you can also get some additional control in this area by using the "set { send, receive } pathnames" command, that was added in version 5A(190), and works (mostly) independently of "set file names". You can even achieve nice effects like automatic directory creation. Read about these issues in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the ckcker.upd file for version 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 07:21:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:44:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:44:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Date: 17 Apr 1995 00:21:52 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14, 18 Jan 1995, patch level 3. I have not been able to find answers for these in my copy of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, 2nd edition, nor in the docs from the .zip file. Please let me know if there is something I have overlooked. First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the system displays the following: Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? Second: At the library where I work I have installed Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the host sends out escape sequences to change character colors regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to screen out. Is such selective screening possible? The only alternative I can think of would be to get the system administrator to install a modified termcap/terminfo entry -- which I could set up, but I don't think it would be allowed. Thanks in advance for any insights offered. Mail replies more than welcome. I will summarize responses if I get enough. P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. - Edward Gibbon, 1776 Mail: Web: From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 11:26:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:17:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:17:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!templar!news From: tregan@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au (Tom Regan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit Pause Screen problem Date: 17 Apr 1995 21:26:41 +1000 Organization: Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just started using MS-Kermit, and everything seems to work fine *except* for a small problem with pausing the screen: I am using Kermit to dial-in to an Ultrix box at 19200 bps with RTS/CTS flow control (vvt100 emulation). Long output from the Unix side comes through OK, unless I try to pause the output. I have tried the Pause key, and also Ctrl-S, but the symptoms are the same: the screen pauses OK, however when I press Pause to restart the display I regularly (not always) get a beep and 1 or 2 characters have been lost. It seems to be some sort of over-run problem(?). Another small problem that could be related to the above manifests itself when I try to edit the command line (e.g. Ctrl-D to delete a character). This often results in spurious characters being inserted into the command line. Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so could you please tell me how you solved it (sorry if this is an FAQ - even a nudge in the right direction would be much appreciated). Thanks, Tom -- Tom Regan (tregan@oac.usyd.edu.au) Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Phone: +61 063 635564 Fax: +61 063 635629 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 12:42:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:35:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 17 Apr 1995 12:42:04 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >This is a roundabout way of doing what you want. You don't need to >write a program to do this -- Kermit itself can do all of it. Just >make a Kermit command file (script program) that does the dialing, >the logging in, the starting of Kermit on the other end, and the >transferring of files. It's much more straightforward that way, and it's >how C-Kermit was designed to work. See Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". The program I have is not written just to accomodate Kermit. Kermit is entirely incidental to what I am doing; it justs happens to be the protocol available on the other end. I don't want Kermit to be sophistcated, I just want it to transfer the file and get out of the way. I have asked to have the documentation procured, since that seems to be the only way to get any help, but I thought I might get a hand with getting this going while I wait for the document. Silly me. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:35:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:35:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:35:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Date: 17 Apr 1995 14:35:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-Id: <3mtub9$nvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com>, FIGHT THE POWER wrote: : First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP : connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads : the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It : then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the : system displays the following: : : Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' : Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd : : At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter : : Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip : Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd : : and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would : like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; : that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from : the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some : variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) : functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for : this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a : way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? : Yes. These are just hints; you'll have to work out the details yourself. Something like this: INPUT 10 Packet mode enabled for IP address: IF FAIL ... CLEAR INPUT INPUT 5 \13 At this point, the \v(input) variable should have the value of your IP addresss in it, perhaps with leading and/or trailing whitespace and carriage return. Now you should be able to do something like: SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \v(input) or: ASSIGN MYIP \v(input) SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \m(myip) Better yet, if your terminal server supports it (as do, for example, Ciscos), use BOOTP. MS-DOS Kermit can be told to SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP, and the SLIP server can be configured to pass along BOOTP requests to your university's BOOTP server. Check your terminal server manual to see if this is possible. : Second: At the library where I work I have installed : Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line : catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some : recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the : host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the : host sends out escape sequences to change character colors : regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The : problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much : nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on : black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS : Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem : is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I : can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; : e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to : screen out. Is such selective screening possible? : Long question, short answer: No. : P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The : Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! : Glad you liked it. As noted earlier, those of you who did not receive this issue can look at it on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Or can ftp the ASCII or PostScript versions from: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/newsn6.txt or .ps. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:45:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:45:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:45:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 17 Apr 1995 14:45:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: >The program I have is not written just to accomodate Kermit. Kermit is >entirely incidental to what I am doing; it justs happens to be the >protocol available on the other end. I don't want Kermit to be >sophistcated, I just want it to transfer the file and get out of the >way. I have asked to have the documentation procured, since that seems to >be the only way to get any help, but I thought I might get a hand with >getting this going while I wait for the document. Silly me. > I also said: : You can also make it work in the setup you have, but it's more : complicated. The best way of doing it is by having your program pass : the communication line's file descriptor to Kermit in the -l command-line : option. Read about this in Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit". : I don't know your program so I can't tell you exactly, precisely what to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. Presumably your program has this in a variable -- let's say the variable's name is fd. Then you can form the Kermit command line like this: sprintf(buf,"kermit -l %d -r", fd); and then you can exec Kermit with this command line. Passing it an open file descriptor is necessary because otherwise it would try to get a lockfile, set device modes, etc etc, which would (should) not work if your proram had already opened it in the normal UNIX manner. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 17:53:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 13:53:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Dataport Dialing Script for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 17 Apr 1995 17:53:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 159 Message-Id: <3mu9um$ftc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit, Dataport Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2524 comp.dcom.modems:88816 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some people have complained about the Dataport 14400 dialing script that is distributed with MS-DOS Kermit, saying that it fails to work because some of the commands are illegal. We had a Dataport here briefly for testing a year (or two?) ago, and it was OK then (I think :-). So either my memory is faulty, or new Dataport models have a different command set. In any case, with the help of Mike Walsh at Cal State U at Dominguez Hills, we've got a new dialing script for the Dataport Express (which is, perhaps, the postulated new model?) that seems to work. It is enclosed below. I have two questions for Dataport users: 1. Does it work with the Dataport Express? Meaning, not only does it not get errors, but does it indeed set up a high-speed, error-corrected, data-compressing, hardware-flow-controlled, BREAK-transparent connection? 2. If so, does it also work with the old (original?) Dataport model(s)? Please report by email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks! - Frank ---(cut here)--- ; FILE DPXPRESS.SCR (MSMDPXR.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the AT&T / Paradyne Dataport ; Express modem, internal or external, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or ; later. The modem is set for V.32bis, compression, error correction, all ; types of fallback, RTS/CTS flow control, fixed interface speed of 57600. ; ; Rename this file to DPXPRESS.SCR if necessary. ; ; To use: SET MODEM DPXPRESS (in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later) ; or: DEFINE _MODEM DPXPRESS (in Kermit 3.13 and earlier) ; and: Make sure Kermit executes the standard MSKERMIT.INI file. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, September 1993 ; Revised Oct 94. ; Adapted to Dataport Express from DATAPORT.SCR, Apr 95. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600 bps. ; NOTE: This modem doesn't seem to have a command for locking the ; interface speed. But it seems to do it anyway. ; set speed 57600 wait 5 dsr ; Time to recover from HANGUP... echo Configuring AT&T DataPort Express on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} ; X6 = Verbose result codes, show modulation speed ; &C1 = CD follows RS232 ; &D2 = DTR follows RS232 ; &Q0 = Asynchronous data mode, use AT command set ; L0 = Low speaker volume output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 L0\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now pause 2 ; This is needed for internal model output AT %B14400 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = V.32bis with fallback chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} output AT \92N7%C1\13 ; Compression and EC enabled chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} output AT \92K5\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer - try again later} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of DPXPRESS.SCR From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 21:29:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:43:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:43:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!dbm From: dbm@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Dennis B Meilicke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and FTP Date: 17 Apr 1995 21:29:00 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the following: Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND feature. So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of kermit? Thanks... Dennis From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 23:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:02:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:02:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and FTP Date: 17 Apr 1995 23:02:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3mus1q$mai@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu>, Dennis B Meilicke wrote: : I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the : following: : : Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can : also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as : with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was : transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the : transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND : feature. : : So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a : reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of : kermit? : One does not do FTP (or Ymodem-G, or Zmodem, ...) transfers in Kermit. (Strictly speaking, one *can* invoke X- Y- or Zmodem as an external protocol from a Kermit program, and use it over the same connection, given the appropriate X- Y- or Zmodem software, such as DSZ for DOS; but one cannot do FTP transfers over the same connection as one's Kermit connection, although one could conceivably invoke ftp from the Kermit prompt to transfer files over a separate connection.) But if one WERE transferring a file in binary mode with ANY protocol -- Kermit or FTP or Ymodem-G, etc -- and if the partially transferred file was not discarded, then you could use Kermit's new recovery feature to continue the transfer from the point of failure, even though the original transfer might not have been done with Kermit. Does that clear it up? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:28:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:41:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:41:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and FTP Message-Id: <1995Apr17.202839.47761@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 20:28:39 MDT References: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu>, dbm@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Dennis B Meilicke) writes: > I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the > following: > > Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can > also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as > with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was > transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the > transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND > feature. > > So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a > reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of > kermit? -------------- The reference is to FTP, as in the cutout below. It does not mean that Kermit implements ftp (since you already have a large ftp program). Joe D. $ man ftp ftp(1) ftp(1) NAME ftp - file transfer program SYNOPSIS ftp [-c | -C] [dgintv] [hostname] DESCRIPTION The ftp command is the user interface to the ARPANET standard File Transfer Protocol (FTP). ftp allows a user to transfer files to and from a remote network site. USAGE Options may be specified at the command line, or to the command interpreter. etc recv remote-file [ local-file ] A synonym for get. reget Retrieve a file restarting at the end of the local-file. --> restart Restart the transfer of a file from a particular byte- count. rhelp [ command-name ] Request help from the remote FTP server. If a command- name is specified it is supplied to the server as well. etc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 06:43:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 03:13:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 03:13:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!news.uky.edu!tso00 From: tso00@ewl.uky.edu (Tze-Sian SO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: auto-redial & terminal type Date: 18 Apr 1995 06:43:26 GMT Organization: Engineering Workstation Lab Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: woodbine.ewl.uky.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone out there tell me how to do auto redial for c-kermit for os/2?? Besides, how can set the permanent terminal type because after I load my c-kermit program it will automatically set to vt220. Thanks in advance... -sian From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 12:55:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:56:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:55:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto-redial & terminal type Date: 18 Apr 1995 12:55:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3n0cso$286@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu>, Tze-Sian SO wrote: >Can someone out there tell me how to do auto redial for c-kermit for os/2?? > C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 will announced shortly. It will include a new command (macro), XDIAL, which dials repeatedly until the connection is made or until you interrupt it. In earlier releases of C-Kermit, you can easily construct such a macro yourself, following the directions in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", chapters 11-13, covering the script programming language, something like the one listed in our FAQ: define mydial dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial } >Besides, how can set the permanent terminal type because after I load my >c-kermit program it will automatically set to vt220. > As explained in the manual, you can use the command: SET TERMINAL TYPE to "set" your "terminal" "type". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 17:09:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:08:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:08:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!kpapai.a2i!kpapai From: Ken Papai Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help - MSKermit HATES COM3 ! Date: 15 Apr 1995 17:09:44 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mouko$9g5@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: kpapai Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have another question -- I have Kermit v. 3.01 (MAR 1990) and it has a major problem with COM3 port. Basically it will not echo back, unlike COM1 or COM2. This is frustrating as my COM1 is the mouse (I have no choice here dammit) and COM2 is an internal 2400 Baud modem. I *really* would like to use my 9600 Baud external modem on COM3 but MSKERMIT just refuses to obey! (I am using MSDOS 5.0) Is there any help for me? -- Ken Papai, Marin County, Calif. <*> The last, best hope for peace. <*> kpapai@rahul.net <*> The year is 2259... The place, Babylon 5. <*> From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 14:36:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:34:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 18 Apr 1995 14:36:14 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 27 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the requested transfer fails? Bob PS Here is the debug.log file it produced. Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] 4.2 BSD Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 local=1 action=118 conint process group test=1 conint isatty test=1 conint backgrd=1 Debug Log Closed From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 19:05:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:05:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:05:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 18 Apr 1995 19:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n12hk$92f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: >Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] > 4.2 BSD >Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 Please get a version of C-Kermit that isn't seven years old. I think we have made some changes since then. Current version is 5a(190), Oct 94. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 20:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:10:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:10:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!news.ecp.fr!deniel!phil From: phil@deniel.via.ecp.fr (DENIEL Philippe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Urgent !! Kermit format Date: 18 Apr 1995 20:19:57 GMT Organization: Ecole Centrale Paris, France Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: deniel.via.ecp.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas ( format , constitution of the packets.....) -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | | | Philippe Deniel Eleve Ingenieur en 2e Annee a l'ECP | | E-mail: denielp6@cti.ecp.fr irc: Droopy | | | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | "The wise man is the one who knows his limits" | | (Clint Eastwood as Harry Callahan in "Magnum Force") | | | \----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 03:19:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:38:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:38:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!news.dal.mobil.com!dlpcbc!awful!lerami!ler From: ler@lerami.lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Subject: Re: Urgent !! Kermit format Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:19:05 GMT Distribution: inet References: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Organization: Larry Rosenman's personal UnixWare 2.0 system Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr>, DENIEL Philippe wrote: >I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas >( format , constitution of the packets.....) Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol Author: Frank da Cruz Digital Press ISBN: 0-932376-88-6 (C) 1987, Larry -- Larry Rosenman Phone: +1 214-399-0210 (voice) Internet: ler@lerami.lerctr.org US Mail: 900 Lake Isle Circle, Irving, TX 75060-7726 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 00:43:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Message-Id: <1995Apr17.064318.47679@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 06:43:18 MDT References: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > > Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding MS-DOS Kermit, > version 3.14, 18 Jan 1995, patch level 3. I have not been able > to find answers for these in my copy of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, > 2nd edition, nor in the docs from the .zip file. Please let me > know if there is something I have overlooked. > > First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP > connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads > the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It > then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the > system displays the following: > > Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' > Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd > > At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter > > Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip > Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd > > and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would > like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; > that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from > the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some > variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) > functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for > this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a > way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? You can move this material into a script. Have a look at the variable \v(input) which reports the "first line" of text still held in the buffer used by the INPUT command. That means up to the first LF, CR, FF seen there. SHOW SCRIPT will display that buffer. From that point you can slice & dice \v(input) as a string with the \f...() commands to extract the desired component. > Second: At the library where I work I have installed > Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line > catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some > recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the > host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the > host sends out escape sequences to change character colors > regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The > problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much > nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on > black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS > Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem > is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I > can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; > e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to > screen out. Is such selective screening possible? The only > alternative I can think of would be to get the system > administrator to install a modified termcap/terminfo entry -- > which I could set up, but I don't think it would be allowed. Nope. There isn't a way to selectively turn on/off recognition of certain control sequences. Best to talks with the folks who wrote that library software. Joe D. > Thanks in advance for any insights offered. Mail replies > more than welcome. I will summarize responses if I get enough. > P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The > Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 00:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Pause Screen problem Message-Id: <1995Apr17.065100.47680@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 06:51:00 MDT References: <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au>, tregan@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au (Tom Regan) writes: > I have just started using MS-Kermit, and everything seems to work fine > *except* for a small problem with pausing the screen: > > I am using Kermit to dial-in to an Ultrix box at 19200 bps with RTS/CTS flow > control (vvt100 emulation). Long output from the Unix side comes through OK, > unless I try to pause the output. I have tried the Pause key, and also > Ctrl-S, but the symptoms are the same: the screen pauses OK, however when I Control-S is XOFF software flow control and won't do what you want when using hardware flow control. The PAUSE key is a Bios operation invisible to MS-DOS Kermit and grabs the machine from Kermit. You will probably get better results by using the \Kholdscrn keyboard verb to "hold the screen" under Kermit's control. It is not assigned to any key by default, so choose a recognizable key combination (not the PAUSE key which is intercepted by the Bios). Please do note however, overruns can still occur in the overall comms channel if one component does not respond quickly enough to overflowing another's buffer. > press Pause to restart the display I regularly (not always) get a beep and 1 > or 2 characters have been lost. It seems to be some sort of over-run > problem(?). > > Another small problem that could be related to the above manifests itself > when I try to edit the command line (e.g. Ctrl-D to delete a character). > This often results in spurious characters being inserted into the command > line. That's a command line on the remote host because Control-D is not a Kermit command line operation. I can't guess what might be happening in this case. Joe D. > Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so could you please tell me > how you solved it (sorry if this is an FAQ - even a nudge in the right > direction would be much appreciated). > > Thanks, > > Tom > > -- > Tom Regan (tregan@oac.usyd.edu.au) > Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney, NSW, Australia > Phone: +61 063 635564 Fax: +61 063 635629 From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 01:59:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:54:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:54:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news1.cle.ab.com!iccgcc.cle.ab.com!principe From: principe@beast.cle.ab.com (Tony Principe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 19 Apr 95 06:59:16 EST Organization: Allen-Bradley Co. Inc Lines: 10 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: beast.cle.ab.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on the sending Kermit. Thanks, Tony -- From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 16:08:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:09:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:08:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 19 Apr 1995 16:08:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3n3cii$2l3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, Tony Principe wrote: : I am using MS Kermit 3.12 ... : The current version is 3.14. : ... to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The : VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers : work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either : direction. : Please scrap Kermit-32 and install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. If, after installing C-Kermit and reading the documentation, you have further trouble, send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu listing the specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 15:01:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!bbs.mhv.net!Rodriguez From: Robert.Rodriguez@bbs.mhv.net (Robert Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 CKermit through a firewall Date: 19 Apr 1995 15:01:07 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone compiled OS/2 Ckermit with the SOCKS DLLs to support TCP/IP access through a firewall (specifically a SOCKS server)? An AIX version that supports SOCKS would be helpful as well. Robert Rodriguez From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 17:18:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:18:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:18:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 CKermit through a firewall Date: 19 Apr 1995 17:18:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3n3gl8$b9e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net>, Robert Rodriguez wrote: > Has anyone compiled OS/2 Ckermit with the SOCKS DLLs to >support TCP/IP access through a firewall (specifically a SOCKS server)? >An AIX version that supports SOCKS would be helpful as well. C-Kermit for OS/2 5a(191) has built in support for SOCKS firewall servers. It does not require use of SOCKS.DLL. C-Kermit AIX 5a(190) may be recompiled on your system for SOCKS support. Just define CK_SOCKS during your compilation and make the necessary libraries available for linking. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 09:58:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:52:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:52:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:58:56 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Distribution: inet References: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, principe@iccgcc.cle.ab.com (Tony Principe) says: >I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The >VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers >work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either >direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. >Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on >the sending Kermit. > Thanks, > Tony >-- The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 15:04:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:23:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Urgent !! Kermit format Message-Id: <1995Apr18.210416.47876@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Apr 95 21:04:16 MDT References: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr>, phil@deniel.via.ecp.fr (DENIEL Philippe) writes: > I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas > ( format , constitution of the packets.....) ------------- Then you want the prime reference, the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol", by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press 1988, ISBN0-932376-88-6. Butterworth-Heinemann is handling the DP books, now that DP is out of the book business. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 18:28:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:14:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl!NOORDAM From: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 19 Apr 1995 18:28:40 GMT Organization: CRI, Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Reply-To: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: rulcri.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the screen. After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and which ones are still there. All help is appreciated! Stephan Noordam  From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 00:13:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:13:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:13:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 00:13:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl>, STEPHAN NOORDAM wrote: : I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to : communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. : : * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the : screen. : Is it supposed to? : After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt : might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information : that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! : : * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. : : Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for : example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and : which ones are still there. : It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I say) perfectly. Type SHOW TERM at the VMS prompt and see what it says about your terminal type. Compare that with the type shown in Kermit's status line. Are they the same? (Unless you have gone out of your way to defeat the normal VMS login mechanism, they should be!) In any case, it does not sound to me as if you are using the normal VMS shell, which does *not* keep its prompt at the bottom of the screen. If you are running some kind of DCL "front end" that does its own escape sequences, you'd better be pretty sure that it does them correctly. Check these things, and if you still can't figure out what is wrong, send a session log by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 12:20:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:41:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:41:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Apr 95 18:20:25 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to > communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. > > * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the > screen. > > After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt > might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information > that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! > > * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > > Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for > example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and > which ones are still there. ------------- Stephan, I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit. My first suggestion is to reacquire a fresh copy of MSK from kermit.columbia.edu (cd kermit/bin, get binary file msvibm.zip) and try again. Otherwise there is obviously something quite strange in your machine and/or the high bit of bytes is being chopped, and/or you have TSRs operating (or a very strange video mode) which affect video work, and other guesses. I presume you have chosen terminal kind VT320, and the VAX uses it (add $ SET TERM/INQUIRE to your login.com file if it doesn't). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 14:43:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A problem with PREFIX'ed characters Message-Id: <1995Apr19.204343.48005@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Apr 95 20:43:43 MDT References: <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com>, rusty@btg.com (Rusty Haddock) writes: > > Please let me call the Kermit maintainers' attention to what appears > to have been a problem for me when using the latest version of MS-DOS > Kermit with C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun. This problem has to do with the > differences in which control characters that each version of Kermit can > set/unset as prefixed. In C-Kermit, the command "set control unprefix > all" sets the control characters ASCII 1-31,127-159, and 255 as being > unprefixed. Oddly(?) enough the NULL character, ASCII 0, is always listed > as being prefixed. That cannot be changed, so it appears. Hrumph! > > Now let's look at the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14. > "set control unprefix all" sets even the NULL character as being > unprefixed yet the user can not tell Kermit "set control unprefix 127" nor > "set control unprefix 255" without an error message as one could do in > C-Kermit. > > For me, performing "set control unprefix all" to both C-Kermit and > MS-DOS Kermit before a *binary* file transfer appears to causing the > file not to be transferred because of the differences in what each > version of Kermit considers "all". Is this something that needs to > be coordinated between the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit maintainers? > To me, both versions appear to be incorrect in that if I request all > characters to be unprefixed, then by golly I should get that for ALL > 256 characters. Maybe I've missed something here.... -------------- Yup. Telnet for one thing. When operating across Telnet one must send 0xff (255 decimal) as data by sending 255 255; that's the IAC Telnet escape code. Add parity, as we can do, and that exception includes 127 decimal. Rather than making a special set of code to deal with doubling only for Telnet, and consequently slowing down transfers, we simply don't unprefix it. Both 127 and 0 are often treated as padding throwaways by many systems, so we try to avoid getting into warm water by using them. C strings and functions applied to them get into all kinds of trouble with 0 as data since it's also a string terminator. Thus C Kermit prefers to avoid those problems by not using bare 0 as data. Both MSK and CK should work just fine with mixed unprefixed sets, PROVIDED the comms link as a whole tolerates the treatment. The receivers in both programs are ready to absorb bare control codes from the other side no matter which codes it sends unprefixed the other way. The difference in performance between unprefixing, or not, the very last possible control code is normally far too small to measure in practice. Most likely your choice of unprefixing "all" has simply revealed troubles in the comms pathway, as we strongly warn every time the unprefixing topic arises. Finding the sensitive codes is up to you since a) we don't know your equipment, and b) there isn't any foolproof way of finding out on the fly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 20:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:32:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.btg.com!btg.com!not-for-mail From: rusty@btg.com (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A problem with PREFIX'ed characters Date: 19 Apr 1995 16:15:36 -0400 Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pop.btg.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please let me call the Kermit maintainers' attention to what appears to have been a problem for me when using the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit with C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun. This problem has to do with the differences in which control characters that each version of Kermit can set/unset as prefixed. In C-Kermit, the command "set control unprefix all" sets the control characters ASCII 1-31,127-159, and 255 as being unprefixed. Oddly(?) enough the NULL character, ASCII 0, is always listed as being prefixed. That cannot be changed, so it appears. Hrumph! Now let's look at the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14. "set control unprefix all" sets even the NULL character as being unprefixed yet the user can not tell Kermit "set control unprefix 127" nor "set control unprefix 255" without an error message as one could do in C-Kermit. For me, performing "set control unprefix all" to both C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit before a *binary* file transfer appears to causing the file not to be transferred because of the differences in what each version of Kermit considers "all". Is this something that needs to be coordinated between the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit maintainers? To me, both versions appear to be incorrect in that if I request all characters to be unprefixed, then by golly I should get that for ALL 256 characters. Maybe I've missed something here.... Thanks for your consideration. -Rusty- -- _____ Rusty Haddock ## KD4WLZ -- Weird Looking Zucchini |\/ o \ o DOMAIN: rusty@btg.com UUCP: uunet!btg!rusty | ( -< O o I planted my antenna farm and aluminum and copper poles |/\__V__/ came up. The strange thing is that I used steel seeds. -- _____ Rusty Haddock ## KD4WLZ -- Weird Looking Zucchini |\/ o \ o DOMAIN: rusty@btg.com UUCP: uunet!btg!rusty | ( -< O o I planted my antenna farm and aluminum and copper poles |/\__V__/ came up. The strange thing is that I used steel seeds. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 05:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:01:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:01:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!f0030893 From: f0030893@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (richard roy drake) Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:18:25 GMT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: : : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or : : comments will be appreciated. : : : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See : KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS : communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling : it to SET PORT COM2: : SET COM2 \x2f8 3 : - Frank I am having the same problem as Bruce Tarr and have read the KERMIT.BWR. I put in the SET COM2 \x2f8 3 in the MSCUSTOM.INI file and still get the problem. I've played with the speed and flow control settings but since it is an intermittant problem, its hard to tell if this changes anything. Any other suggestions? Richard D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 13:00:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:49:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:49:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 13:00:56 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >> >> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >> screen. >> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. [...] >Stephan, > I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit [...] This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. Just a thought. Maybe Joe and Frank could comment more? Mike Ciaraldi ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 17:03:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 17:03:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3n645c$okc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net>, Michael Ciaraldi wrote: >In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >>> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >>> >>> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >>> screen. >>> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > >This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. >Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. >Just a thought. > It's always a possibility. But usually when you have flow control problems (and therefore data loss), you see fragments of escape sequences on the screen -- lots of left brackets, numbers, semicolons, etc. But yes, it is always a good idea to be sure that flow control is in effect, but the exact setup depends on how you came into VMS (direct dial, terminal server, etc). On the VMS end, you have to make sure SHOW TERM says TTSYNC and HOSTSYNC, and then everything else is set up as required by the connection (RTS/CTS, hopefully, if dialing into a terminal server / Xon/Xoff if dialing in to a VAX port). I think Stephan said he was using VT102 emulation, so I would not expect 8-bit transparency to be a problem. But since MS-DOS Kermit provides full VT320 emulation, and VMS can take advantage of it, why not use it? Before logging in to VMS, tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set parity none set term byte 8 set term controls 8 ; optional set term type vt320 and then VMS and Kermit should "configure each other" appropriately. If you can't actually make an 8-bit connection, then: set parity even ; or space, or whatever set term byte 7 set term controls 7 set term type vt320 and tell VMS to: set term /noeight But like I said before, all bets are off if you are using some kind of "front end" to VMS with hardwired escape sequences in it. Properly written screen-oriented VMS applications use SMG, which is sort of the VMS equivalent of curses, rather than sending hardcoded escape sequences. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 15:43:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:06:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:06:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 20 Apr 1995 15:43:43 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com, robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) writes: >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. > > >I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as >well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. > >BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option >is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the >requested transfer fails? > >Bob > OK. So I fetched the latest version. It produced a larger debug.log file, but still doesn't work. I can send someone the debug.log file if that would be of use. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 18:35:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:35:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:35:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 20 Apr 1995 18:35:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n69hk$5du@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: : In article fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com, : robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) writes: : >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, : >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. : > : >I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write : >as well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. : : OK. So I fetched the latest version. It produced a larger debug.log file, : but still doesn't work. I can send someone the debug.log file if that : would be of use. : Can we take this offline, please? I think this is just pilot error, but I'll need to know more details, and there is no point in suffering through the newsgroup propogation delays. Please send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 19:31:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:08:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:07:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!dcsun4.us.oracle.com!news From: asriniva@us.oracle.com (Andre Srinivasan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 and Meta-Control keys? Date: 20 Apr 1995 19:31:02 GMT Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California, USA. Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: asriniva-sun.us.oracle.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone figured out how to get C-Kermit for OS/2 to generate M-C key sequences? Thanks. -andre. -- -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Andre Srinivasan | Oracle Corporation | "...objectively strategizing for the subdivision." California, USA | -Steve Viavant asriniva@us.oracle.com | -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- ***I, not Oracle, take responsibility for everything I say, think, or do.*** From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 22:17:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:17:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 and Meta-Control keys? Date: 20 Apr 1995 22:17:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3n6mhm$1iq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andre Srinivasan wrote: >Anyone figured out how to get C-Kermit for OS/2 to generate M-C key >sequences? > Any key that generates a unique scan can be mapped to send anything you want. Unfortunately, for historical reasons, in OS/2 C-Kermit, Ctrl-Alt combos generate exactly the same scan codes as Alt combos by themselves. So you can't use the Alt key as a Meta key when control characters are involved. The closest mapping we could come up with is given in the EMACSKEYS.INI file that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit. Yes, it would be possible to expand the range of scan codes, but not without changing some of the current ones, which would break current key mappings. A solution for this problem is on our list for future releases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 20:37:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:37:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:37:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: BPICK@cisti.lan.nrc.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 20 Apr 1995 20:37:33 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control parity, etc.... and nothing worked. The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually do a telnet. Any help is appreciated. Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 23:12:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:13:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 20 Apr 1995 23:12:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3n6ppq$6ra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, wrote: : Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts : when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. : So this is a linemode telnet, obviously, because Kermit doesn't (yet :-) do 3270 emulation. IBM mainframes in line mode send ^Q as a signal meaning "it's your turn to transmit". Read about "set handshake" in any of the Kermit manuals for a fuller explanation. : This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some : commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control : parity, etc.... and nothing worked. : : The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually : do a telnet. : You just don't see them, that's all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 13:09:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:42:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:42:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Message-Id: <1995Apr20.190924.48083@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Apr 95 19:09:24 MDT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , f0030893@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (richard roy drake) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: > > > > : : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or > : : comments will be appreciated. > : : > : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See > : KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS > : communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling > : it to SET PORT COM2: > > : SET COM2 \x2f8 3 > > : - Frank > > > I am having the same problem as Bruce Tarr and have read the KERMIT.BWR. > I put in the SET COM2 \x2f8 3 in the MSCUSTOM.INI file and still get the > problem. I've played with the speed and flow control settings but since > it is an intermittant problem, its hard to tell if this changes anything. --------------- As we've tried to explain, Windows owns the serial port hardware. Not all hardware is configured as we think, not all works well with Windows (for a long list of candidate reasons). Thus it falls upon the owner of the machine to sort out that part of things, alas. A primary rule in this area is no two pieces of hardware can use the same IRQ wire (whether or not you "intend" to use the device) nor the same i/o Ports (and those are in blocks of typically 8-16 adjacent values, so watch out for overlaps). In addition to these static setup items some serial ports are very sluggish or picky about first use after a cold boot. Windows is the agent initializing them, and such initialization steps may produce a non-functional serial port. See the comments on the SMC big square chip modem as one example. We wish we could cast a magic spell and your machine would work. As close as we can come these days is "spend more money, try other hardware." What a world, and it's not getting better, and it happens to all of us. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 23:45:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:14:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:14:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet 3270 Date: 20 Apr 1995 23:45:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3n6rm6$rf7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3n626m$fia@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hecht@ibm.net writes: >how do you get ckermit 190 for os/2 (or the new beta) to emulate a >telnet 3270 session... it seems to only do standard telnet You can't. Kermit provides a lot of function. Not that one. You can use Kermit in conjunction with an external protocol converter (e.g. 3174 AEA, 7171, 3708...). I use it to dial into an RS/6000 running HCON, which does 3270 emulation. You can dial into any Unix system, and TN3270 from there, but Kermit will be emulating, say, a vt220, not a 3270. vt220 on C-Kermit 191 is nice, because you can set terminal width 132 (or 80) set terminal height 28 (or 44) dial into your Unix system, eval resize (so that it will ask your vt220 its screen size) tn3270 to your mainframe and be a 3270 model 5 (or 4) -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 07:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:36:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:36:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13 MSKERMIT for Z100 and CTS Date: 21 Apr 1995 07:23:42 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n7mhu$8pj@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to implement hardware handshaking with the Z100's kermit but the Kermit CTS test fails to work. Wait 0 CTS if succ then ...... Is this just a bug that has to be lived with? It fails on both serial ports to detect when CTS is high. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 02:49:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:34:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:34:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995Apr20.084954.48029@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Apr 95 08:49:54 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >>> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >>> >>> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >>> screen. >>> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > [...] >>Stephan, >> I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit > [...] > > This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. > Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. > Just a thought. > > Maybe Joe and Frank could comment more? > > Mike Ciaraldi > ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com ------------ Yes, Mike. Loss of bytes from inadequate flow control certainly would make a mess of things. The original report didn't indicate the nature of things clearly enough to decide if that's the effect or not, but curing possible flow control problems is the right thing in all cases. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 16:33:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:46:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:46:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 21 Apr 1995 16:33:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit : terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I : say) perfectly. Please Frank (and Joe D.) feel free to use the word "perfectly". Or maybe not. MSKermit does a better job of VT100 than a DEC VT100 terminal. How is that possible? By definition of the official Digital Equipment Corp VT100 evaluation. While testing various terminals for OEM relabelling, we found that none of them would pass all phases of the DEC VT100 testing. But we also found that the DEC VT100 would fail, if the test was being driven by a fast computer. MSKermit failed the "large character" mode, as noted in the docs, but passed all of the other modes. We finally OEM'd a terminal that was chosen by one of our large customers, and was not the one favored by internal test... Oh well. The MSKermit VT100 has proven to be correct in every case of serial corruption that I encountered while debugging problems with serial handlers and various terminals. If a problem was reported, MSKermit was always my standard for investigation. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 05:41:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:45:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:45:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Message-Id: <1995Apr18.114110.47817@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Apr 95 11:41:10 MDT References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert, I think it should be fairly obvious that major changes to CKermit have occurred over the past seven years, and to discuss these file descriptor things it would be wise to obtain the current issue. Joe D. -------------- In article <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com>, robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) writes: >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. > > > I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as > well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. > > BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option > is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the > requested transfer fails? > > Bob > > PS Here is the debug.log file it produced. > > Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] > 4.2 BSD > Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 > > local=1 > action=118 > conint process group test=1 > conint isatty test=1 > conint backgrd=1 > Debug Log Closed > > From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 11:28:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:26:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:26:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: arrow keys and www? Date: 19 Apr 1995 11:28:38 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, but i am stuck. in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew macro) the arrow keys do not work right. to move among highlighted links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows and to move among levels the left/right keys. however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do you wish to send a comment" if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command to download down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last highlight) how can i get out of this cleftstick? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 13:19:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!d-bott From: d-bott@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (bott david m jr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No ack errors - any suggestions? Date: 21 Apr 1995 13:19:55 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using a USR Sportster 14.4 modem connecting to a modem bank at the University of Illinois, U-C. I've been uploading uuencoded files for mailing using CrossTalk for Windows' Kermit Protocol with the following settings: Filetype: text Checksum: single Timing: tight Sliding Window: 2 Max Packet length: 1024 and my .kermrc on the Unix account is: block 3 window-size 2 send packet-length 1024 receive packet-length 1024 file collision overwrite I am constantly getting "no ack" errors (the only kind) and they slow down the transfer considerably on uploads (I can use the less robust zmodem transfer on downloads and achieve really high transfer rates). Is there anything I can do to reduce the "no ack" errors or is this a function of the hardware and mainframe "busy-ness?" I realize this is ALMOST a non-kermit question, but KERMIT is the only protocol that allows even 1000-1100 bps transfer rates. All others fail to upload (but they download OK). Thanks for any help. DAve -- David M.Bott, Jr. Please address email to: d-bott@uiuc.edu Sociology Department and Coordinated Science Lab University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 12:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!ehviec.ie.philips.nl!cvissenb From: cvissenb@emt.ie.philips.nl (C. Vissenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using PgUp/PgDn in OS/2 CKermit Date: 19 Apr 1995 12:25:17 GMT Organization: Philips Industrial Electronics ,Eindhoven Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: aaasun.ie.philips.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using OS/2 C-Kermit 190 as a replacement for TELNET. I don't want to use the PgUp, PgDn, Home and End keys for terminal scrolling. I want the right sequences to be sent to my hostcomputer. How do I do this? -- Con Vissenberg | GCS d-- H- s g- p?>1 a w+ v C+ US+$ cvissenb@aaa.ine.philips.nl | !P L>+ 3 E N++ K W--- M? !V -po+ I don't speak for Philips. | Y+ t !5 !j R G? tv b+ !D B? e++ | u+ h---- f r+++ n+ z+++ From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 07:37:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:46:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:46:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.tele.fi!news.csc.fi!news.funet.fi!news.kbfi.ee!kaie.va.ttu.ee!sofia.va.ttu.ee!uuno From: uuno@sofia.va.ttu.ee (Uuno Vallner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Defining functional keys Date: 20 Apr 1995 07:37:43 GMT Organization: Tallinn Technical University, Estonia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee> Nntp-Posting-Host: sofia.va.ttu.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We try to use KERMIT DOS as terminal. We have Novel and Unix mixed network. We try access to OSF/1 via IPX using Softnet in OSF/1. We defined Kermit port bios3. It works perfectly. We need to use estonian characters. We are resolved this problem too. But ... We use application in OSF/1 (text retrieval system trip), which needs for operating Application keypad (7,8. 9 ..1,0 ...)and some functional keys. But Kermit are using 7 as "home" Kermit interpreted non correct functional keys. After pressing f1, system sends only ESC , after next f1 follows code and new ESC. Same effect is with array keys. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 03:27:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 08:26:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 08:26:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.uunet.ca!uunet.ca!torrie!gordon From: gordon@torrie.org (Gordon Torrie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Summary: You need a Kermit script. Here it is. Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 23:27:37 -0400 References: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Torrie Communication Services Lines: 185 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu H. D. Knoble writes: | In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, principe@iccgcc.cle.ab.com | (Tony Principe) says: | | >I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The | >VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers | >work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either | >direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. | >Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on | >the sending Kermit. | | The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. No it is not. While C-Kermit undoubtedly has advantages over Kermit-32, Kermit-32 is not the problem. The solution is to create a Kermit script that MS-Kermit then runs. I have done this and include it below. This script is currently used by several people at work to successfully transfer files between MS-Kermit 3.12 and Kermit-32 3.3.128. These file transfers proceed correctly and quickly even though the users are all connected to the VAX via terminal servers (DECserver 100s). Note that you must have ANSI.SYS device driver loaded otherwise the menus will not display properly. The script could be altered if you really don't want to load ANSI.SYS. ; VAX/VMS Kermit-32 <-> IBM PC File Transfer setup ; Requires MS-Kermit 3.00 ; Gordon Torrie February 1990 ; ; July 10, 1991 - Changed the packet length from 94 to 300. ; Acquired Kermit-32 version 3.3.128 to replace ; version 3.3.117 on the VAX. The new version ; supports long packets so we will make use of them. ; ; June 20, 1992 - Changed the packet length from 300 to 1000. ; ; Sept 11, 1994 - Added Blocksize input for Fixed length files. ; (To upload BACKUP saveset files with the ; correct blocksize). ; ; Note: The VAX is assumed to be at the dollar prompt on entry ; to this procedure. ; This procedure returns the VAX to the dollar prompt on ; exit. SET TAKE-ECHO OFF ; Don't echo this file SET INPUT ECHO OFF OUTPUT \26; ; Ensure we are at the dollar prompt :FTPMENU1 ECHO {\27[2J \27[4mVAX <--> PC File Transfer Setup\27[m\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mA\27[m = Text files (Ordinary ASCII)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mB\27[m = Binary files (No translation)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mF\27[m = Fixed-length-record files\13} ECHO { (Special type of binary file)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mX\27[m = Exit from this procedure\13\10 :FTPSTART ASK \%z {Which type of file? \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z GOTO FTPSTART SET INPUT CASE IGNORE ; Ignore case of user-input IF EQUAL \%z A GOTO FTPASC IF EQUAL \%z B GOTO FTPBIN IF EQUAL \%z F GOTO FTPFIX IF EQUAL \%z X POP ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Choose one of \27[1\{59}5mA, B, F, \27[mor \27[1\{59}5mX\27[m.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPSTART ; For Text files :FTPASC ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY NONE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE ASCII\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR GOTO SERVE ; For Binary Files :FTPBIN ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY SPACE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE BINARY\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY GOTO SERVE ; For files with Fixed Length Records such as executable images and ; BACKUP savesets. :FTPFIX DEFINE \%z ASK \%z {Blocksize to use? (Default is 512) \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z DEFINE \%z 512 ; Set default blocksize if none specified IF LLT {\%z} 9 GOTO FTPFIX_GO ; Check that a numeric value was specified ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Blocksize must be numeric.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPFIX :FTPFIX_GO ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY SPACE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE FIXED\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE BLOCKSIZE \%z\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY :SERVE ; Set parameters common to all file type transfers :FTPCOM OUTPUT {SET BLOCK_CHECK_TYPE 3\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET RECEIVE PACKET_LENGTH 1000\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET SEND PACKET_LENGTH 1000\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE NAMING NORMAL_FORM\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET SERVER_TIMER 0\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT SERVER\13 ; Put Kermit-32 in server mode CLEAR ; :FTPMENU2 ECHO {\27[2J \27[4mVAX <--> PC File Transfer Setup\27[m\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mG\27[m = Get a file from the VAX\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mS\27[m = Send a file to the VAX\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mX\27[m = Exit to previous menu.\13\10} :FTPFUNC ASK \%z {Which function? \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z GOTO FTPFUNC IF EQUAL \%z X GOTO FTPEXIT IF EQUAL \%z G GOTO FTPNAME IF EQUAL \%z S GOTO FTPNAME ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Choose one of \27[1\{59}5mG, S, \27[mor \27[1\{59}5mX\27[m.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPFUNC ; :FTPNAME ASK \%y {Name of file: } IF NOT DEFINED \%y GOTO FTPNAME IF EQUAL \%z G GET \%y IF EQUAL \%z S SEND \%y PAUSE 1 ; Give user a chance to read ; any error messages GOTO FTPMENU2 ; :FTPEXIT FINISH ; Exit Kermit-32 Server mode OUTPUT EXIT\13 ; Exit Kermit-32 GOTO FTPMENU1 ; and go to first menu -- gordon@torrie.org Gord Torrie From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 14:56:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:42:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:42:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!steffi.dircon.co.uk!usenet From: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Date: 22 Apr 1995 15:56:58 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: steffi.dircon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus(Ding) (Emacs for NeXTSTEP 4.05) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89518 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2568 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE when I try and run it. Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. Any clues? -- "Mary ate a little lamb and punk rock isn't dead" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 16:19:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:25:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:25:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!steffi.dircon.co.uk!usenet From: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Date: 22 Apr 1995 17:19:32 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: steffi.dircon.co.uk In-Reply-To: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk's message of 22 Apr 1995 15:56:58 +0100 X-Newsreader: Gnus(Ding) (Emacs for NeXTSTEP 4.05) To: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89546 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2569 writes: >I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading >to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says >Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE >when I try and run it. >Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. >Any clues? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appears to have been a memory issue. If I startup up the palmtop without sysmngr it works.. Hope this useful for somebody. -- "Mary ate a little lamb and punk rock isn't dead" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 04:32:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:45:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:45:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Message-Id: <1995Apr22.103227.48266@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Apr 95 10:32:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89549 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2570 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading > to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says > > Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE > > when I try and run it. > > Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. --------- Drive F? Did the zip file uncompress properly (and you used the -d option to create subdirectories)? If it did then that's part of the binary/text question. How did the executables get on to your palmtop? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 06:22:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:09:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:09:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Defining functional keys Message-Id: <1995Apr22.122257.48276@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Apr 95 12:22:57 MDT References: <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 109 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee>, uuno@sofia.va.ttu.ee (Uuno Vallner) writes: > We try to use KERMIT DOS as terminal. We have Novel and Unix > mixed network. We try access to OSF/1 via IPX using Softnet in OSF/1. > > We defined Kermit port bios3. It works perfectly. We need to use estonian > characters. We are resolved this problem too. But ... > > We use application in OSF/1 (text retrieval system trip), which needs > for operating Application keypad (7,8. 9 ..1,0 ...)and some functional keys. > But Kermit are using 7 as "home" > > Kermit interpreted non correct functional keys. After pressing f1, system > sends only ESC , after next f1 follows code and new ESC. Same effect is with > array keys. -------------- I think there is some confusion about DEC versus IBM PC keys. The relationship is detailed in distribution file MSVIBM.VT and also in the user's manual book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." The IBM PC numeric keypad keys are not necessarily related to the DEC KeyPad keys. Here is a cutout from my copy of msvibm.vt: 1. VT320/VT102/VT52/Heath-19 EMULATOR IN MS-DOS KERMIT IBM-PC, CODE SUMMARY VT320/VT102 keypads Heath-19 and VT52 Keypads IBM keys IBM Keys +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | PF1 | PF2 | PF3 | PF4 | | Blue | Red | Grey | up arrow | - Vendor | F1 | F2 | F3 | F4 | | F1 | F2 | F3 | up arrow | - Kermit +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 7 | 8 | 9 | - | | 7 | 8 | 9 |down arrow| | F5 | F6 | F7 | F8 | | F5 | F6 | F7 |down arrow| +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 4 | 5 | 6 | , | | 4 | 5 | 6 | rgt arrow| | F9 | F10 | SF1 | SF2 | | F9 | F10 | SF1 | rgt arrow| +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 1 | 2 | 3 | E | | 1 | 2 | 3 |left arrow| | SF3 | SF4 | SF5 | n S| | SF3 | SF4 | SF5 |left arrow| +------+------+------+ t F| +------+------+-------+----------+ | 0------0 | . | e 6| | 0------0 | . | Enter | | SF7 | SF8 | r | | SF7 | SF8 | SF6 | +-------------+------+------+ +-------------+-------+----------+ SF1 means push Shift and F1 keys simultaneously --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys. Key Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Find decFind CSI 1 ~ these keys Insert Here decInsert CSI 2 ~ send nothing Remove decRemove CSI 3 ~ Select decSelect CSI 4 ~ Prev Screen decPrev CSI 5 ~ Next Screen decNext CSI 6 ~ ~ is ASCII chart 7/14 Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) --------------- Please note that \Kkp0...\Kkp0 are placed on IBM PC function keys by default. You can redefine such things using Kermit command SET KEY, as discussed in depth in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." I don't quite understand why you are using SET PORT BIOS3. Do you have some Int 14h interceptor present to route traffic to the net? For real serial ports BIOS3 is terrible. If you are using Novell's ODI material then Kermit can operate as a native ODI client (using it's internal TCP/IP stack). This is discussed in the release notes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 16:15:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 16:15:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using PgUp/PgDn in OS/2 CKermit Date: 22 Apr 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nbo4j$1ul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl>, C. Vissenberg wrote: > >I am using OS/2 C-Kermit 190 as a replacement for TELNET. >I don't want to use the PgUp, PgDn, Home and End keys for >terminal scrolling. I want the right sequences to be sent >to my hostcomputer. >How do I do this? SET KEY look at ckovtk2.ini for examples. also, read the docs. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 02:09:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:42:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:42:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!news.erinet.com!netcom.com!puma From: puma@netcom.com (puma) Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Message-Id: Organization: organized?? me? References: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 02:09:49 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: puma@netcom20.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89599 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2573 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Robert Nicholson wrote: >I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading >to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says > >Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE > >when I try and run it. > >Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. If the ZIP file unzipped correctly, without errors (and obviously it did) then the problem was not with the original download, it must lie elsewhere. Did you unpack the zip file on the palmtop, or somewhere else and then move the .exe files? If you moved just the .exe files, I would guess that part of the process is where the problem lies. -- puma@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 03:32:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 01:03:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 01:03:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!southwind.net!onyx!css From: css@onyx.southwind.net (CSS Group LLC (Dan Bernstein)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit ftp sites? -- please help Date: 23 Apr 1995 03:32:30 GMT Organization: SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3nchoe$g6r@onyx.southwind.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.southwind.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I obtain a copy (source code) of C-Kermit for Solaris 2.x? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. -- Daniel J. Bernstein ------------------------------------ Computer Science Services Group, LLC css@southwind.net Obligatory quote: "There are two types of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig." The Good (to The Ugly) From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 13:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 09:37:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 09:37:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 23 Apr 1995 07:28:59 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mskermit with hebrew macro, and vt220, seems to prevent the lynx (www reader) from working properly, since it requires arrow keys. (neither cursor mode nor application mode helps) has *anyone* been able to get their arrow keys to work properly with lynx and this combo?? (i got no answer to my last posting on this subject) thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 18:29:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:39:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:39:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 23 Apr 1995 18:29:05 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA wrote: > > Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts > when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. > This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some > commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control > parity, etc.... and nothing worked. > > The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually > do a telnet. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Brad I've read about "set handshake" in the book "using ms-dos kermit" and on page 57 it tells me what ^Q is.But when i try to change it to XON , XOFF ,CR or to the equivalent code I alway end up having "HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: 36" If I say "SET HANDSHAKE XON" should I not see "SET HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: XON" when i do "SHOW COM" or am I doing something seriously wrong here. Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 19:38:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:12:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:12:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!lantana.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(191): When will Beta end? Date: 20 Apr 1995 19:38:28 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3n6d7k$jok@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm now using 5A(190) of C-Kermit, and am undecided as to whether I should try out the new beta or to wait for the official full release of the next version. Can someone provide dates? Thanks. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Internet: 93202707@np.ac.sg | Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Republic of Singapore http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | Quake! ____________________________________________________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 10:13:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:56:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:56:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Message-Id: <1995Apr23.161338.48371@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Apr 95 16:13:38 MDT References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA wrote: >> >> Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts >> when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. >> This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some >> commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control >> parity, etc.... and nothing worked. >> >> The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually >> do a telnet. >> >> Any help is appreciated. >> >> Brad > > > I've read about "set handshake" in the book "using ms-dos kermit" and > on page 57 it tells me what ^Q is.But when i try to change it to > XON , XOFF ,CR or to the equivalent code I alway end up having > "HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: 36" If I say "SET HANDSHAKE XON" should I not > see "SET HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: XON" when i do "SHOW COM" or am I doing > something seriously wrong here. > > Thanks > Brad ------------ Handshake and flow control are different animals. HANDSHAKE is for logical half duplex control exchange ("your turn to talk") and is encountered almost entirely with IBM mainframe frontends these days. The frontend sends a Control-Q to say "go ahead". Flow control can use Control-S/-Q, and will interact badly with the half duplex scheme above (and should never be used with it). Control-S/-Q is for full duplex channels, and it flows in the opposite direction as the data it is trying to regular, and at the same time. This paragraph is for readers who may confuse the two uses. Now in your situation we have an IBM mainframe frontend sending the HANDSHAKE Control-Q, and it is entirely up to it which code it will use (it's not a Kermit protocol negotiation item). MSK will recognize the incoming Control-Q during Kermit packet exchanges, but not otherwise. I think your solution is to put the IBM frontend into VT100 emulation mode, full duplex style. IBM mainframe experts can chime in here with the proper terminology. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 01:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:46:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 24 Apr 1995 01:46:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3nevua$f0b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >mskermit with hebrew macro, and vt220, seems to prevent the lynx >(www reader) from working properly, since it requires arrow keys. >(neither cursor mode nor application mode helps) >has *anyone* been able to get their arrow keys to work properly >with lynx and this combo?? >(i got no answer to my last posting on this subject) >thanks, gideon ------------------------ I think there is a conspiracy between News agents that causes your message to appear as a header-only at my place, twice now. Darned computers. So I'm trying again via Columbia Univ. Well, let's pull apart the problem. First, the arrow keys do work ok in MSK. But there are two of each: on the numeric keypad and on the small "T", and they can be different. To see what each does use command SHOW KEY and press an interesting key at the resulting prompt. A typical arrow keyboard verb would be \Klfarr for left arrow. The numeric keypad sends numbers if NumLock is on, naturally enough. You can redefine what a key sends via the SET KEY command. Second, my guess is the remote (it is remote, right?) Lynx program is thinking of one kind of terminal and Kermit is behaving as another kind. We have no idea of what that Lynx program is thinking, nor even what kind of host it's running on. So, it's up to you to diagnose that part. Be sure it thinks it is talking to a DEC VTxxx terminal of the same kind that MSK is emulating. If necessary ask the system administrator of the remote system what kind of terminal Lynx is using and how it can be modified to match Kermit (and DEC terminals). Third, we must be careful about high-bit-set bytes traversing the wire. Some systems chop the bit without telling us, and that makes a mess of what's sent for many cases (arrow keys included). If the high bit is chopped somewhere and Kermit is not told about it then use Kermit command SET PARITY SPACE to inform MSK that there isn't a high bit today. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 16:30:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:53:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:53:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: hecht@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet 3270 Date: 20 Apr 1995 16:30:14 GMT Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3n626m$fia@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hecht@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip38-14.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu how do you get ckermit 190 for os/2 (or the new beta) to emulate a telnet 3270 session... it seems to only do standard telnet thanks in advance gerry hecht hecht@ibm.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 17:26:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:11:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 23 Apr 1995 17:26:05 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3ne2jd$o4p@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit >*after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as >the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly >changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit >several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any >suggestions? Thanks. Joe and Frank responded to this question already, explaining how to set binary mode at both sides' Kermit. However, there remains the question of how to configure *LYNX*, since when running Kermit as a downloader function from within Lynx, the user would never see the C-Kermit prompt. The definitions of Lynx-download methods are within the lynx.cfg file, usually found in /usr/local/bin. One can use one's own copy of this configuration file which is then invoked by entering lynx -cfg=FILENAME (with FILENAME being your personal lynx.cfg). The following definitions contained in my lynx.cfg work fine for me (require C-Kermit 5A(189) or higher): DOWNLOADER:Kermit, binary: kermit -i -C "pcsend %s %s, ex":TRUE DOWNLOADER:Kermit, text: kermit -C "pcsend %s %s, ex":TRUE With MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14, and SET TERMINAL APC ON, they provide auto-downloading. Peter S. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 13:03:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:59:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:59:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!news.cs.su.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 22 Apr 1995 22:33:01 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gideon Weisz (gweisz@csn.net) wrote: : this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, : but i am stuck. : in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew macro) : the arrow keys do not work right. : to move among highlighted links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows : and to move among levels the left/right keys. : however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do you wish to send a comment" : if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command to download : down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last highlight) : how can i get out of this cleftstick? : thanks, gideon lynx with MS-Kermit 3.14 and vt220 with the vt300.ini macro works fine for me. Does lynx work correctly for you with the vt300.ini macro? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 14:22:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:22:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 24 Apr 1995 14:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <3ngc7f$ejh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, but i am > stuck. in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew > macro) the arrow keys do not work right. to move among highlighted > links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows and to move among > levels the left/right keys. however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do > you wish to send a comment" if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command > to download down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last > highlight) how can i get out of this cleftstick? > Kermit is emulating a real VT220 terminal. The VT220 cursor (arrow) keypad can be in one of two modes: cursor mode and application mode. These keys send different escape sequences depending on which mode they are in. When a VT220 is turned on (and when Kermit is started), the arrow keys are in cursor mode. By default (that is, unless you give SET KEY commands to change things), MS-DOS Kermit uses the IBM keyboard arrow keys as the VT220 arrow keys. Each arrow key has a "verb" assigned to it: Up arrow \Kuparr Down arrow \Kdnarr Right arrow \Krtarr Left arrow \Klfarr These verbs track the cursor keypad mode automatically, and send the following escape sequences: Cursor Mode Application Mode \Kuparr CSI A SS3 A \Kdnarr CSI B SS3 B \Krtarr CSI C SS3 C \Klfarr CSI D SS3 D where CSI is ESC followed by left bracket ([) on a 7-bit connection or decimal 155 on an 8-bit connection, and SS3 is ESC followed by O (uppercase letter O) on a 7-bit connection and decimal 143 on an 8-bit connection. How does the cursor keypad mode change? The host can change it by sending special escape sequences, or you can change it yourself by using the command: SET TERMINAL ARROW-KEYS { CURSOR, APPLICATION } So why do the arrow keys not work in Lynx? Or, in general, in any particular application: 1. Because the application expects the keypad to be in one mode when it is in the other mode. This is a deficiency on the part of the application. Applications should never ASSUME which mode the cursor keypad is in, but rather, they should PUT the keypad in the desired mode, or else they should accept arrow-key codes from either mode. Workaround: tell Kermit to SET TERM ARROW CURSOR (or APPLICATION). 2. Because of a terminal-type mismatch. Lynx, in particular, does not seem to use the standard termcap/terminfo database, and so therefore might not understand Kermit's VT220 or VT320 terminal type. Solution: tell Kermit to SET TERM TYPE VT100 and also tell the host your terminal type is VT100, before starting Lynx. 3. Because of a character-size mismatch. If you have been using a VMS-based VT220 or VT320 fullscreen application (such as ALEPH, EVE, etc), you might find that your arrow keys are sending 8-bit codes rather than 7-bit codes, and then when switching to another application like Lynx, the new application might not understand the 8-bit codes. Again, this is a deficiency of the application. Workaround: tell Kermit to SET TERM CONTROLS 7. I put MS-DOS Kermit into Hebrew mode, accessed the ALEPH software, tried the arrow keys and they worked OK. Then I left ALEPH and started Lynx and got the same symptoms you reported. The three steps above fixed the problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 16:45:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:47:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:45:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 24 Apr 1995 16:45:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3ngkj3$1aa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gordon Torrie wrote: >H. D. Knoble writes: >| ... >| The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. > >No it is not. While C-Kermit undoubtedly has advantages over Kermit-32, >Kermit-32 is not the problem. The solution is to create a Kermit script >that MS-Kermit then runs. > Kermit-32 can still be used, but use it at your own risk. It is no longer supported, and if there are problems with it -- functional problems or performance problems -- there is nobody to fix it or improve it. It does not go as fast as C-Kermit, it does not have as many features. And C-Kermit, unlike Kermit-32, *is* supported. Thus we recommend people use it instead of Kermit-32. So... "a" solution is to use C-Kermit. Another would be to give some special commands to MS-DOS Kermit and/or Kermit-32, but you do not necessarily have to write a long script in order to accomplish this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 16:52:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:52:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:52:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No ack errors - any suggestions? Date: 24 Apr 1995 16:52:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3ngl0p$28n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, bott david m jr wrote: : I am using a USR Sportster 14.4 modem connecting to a modem bank at the : University of Illinois, U-C. I've been uploading uuencoded files for : mailing using CrossTalk for Windows' Kermit Protocol with the following : settings: : : Filetype: text : Checksum: single : Timing: tight : Sliding Window: 2 : Max Packet length: 1024 : : and my .kermrc on the Unix account is: : : block 3 : window-size 2 : send packet-length 1024 : receive packet-length 1024 : file collision overwrite : I assume that the real .kermrc file has "set" in front of each of these lines? : I am constantly getting "no ack" errors (the only kind) and they slow : down the transfer considerably on uploads (I can use the less robust : zmodem transfer on downloads and achieve really high transfer rates). : : Is there anything I can do to reduce the "no ack" errors or is this : a function of the hardware and mainframe "busy-ness?" : Who knows. If you were using MS-DOS Kermit on your PC, we could help, and of course we recommend you do so. : I realize this is ALMOST a non-kermit question, but KERMIT is the only : protocol that allows even 1000-1100 bps transfer rates. All others : fail to upload (but they download OK). : Maybe MS-DOS Kermit would not have any problem on this connection. If it did, then we'd begin by asking you lots of questions about your connection -- speed, flow control, etc. What's on the far end? A terminal server? Which kind of terminal server? And what is the host? Running which OS and version? And which version of C-Kermit? Do the errors happen as soon as you start uploading the file, or do they happen at some point well within the transfer? In other words, are we seeing 8-bit transparency problems or do we have buffering / flow- control problems? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 19:45:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:18:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:18:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!..Optimum EXE trnsf setting & using .ksd file Date: 24 Apr 1995 19:45:21 GMT Organization: McHugh Freeman Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Any hint/help on the following Q's wouls be greatly appreciated. 1) EXE file transfer between VAX sustems on a 9600 baud noisy phone line using C-Kermit 5A(190): Settings tried so far: win = 1 - 30 block = 2 - 3 time send/rec = 20 - 92 type = bin/image fixed speed = 9600 packet send/rec = 1000 - 5000 remote mode = server Result: Times out, too many retries or takes too long. Tried the recommended settings in "Truth about kermit..." did not get the efficiency obtained in the benchmarks..(maybe because they weren't run on a VAX m/c). 2) Error msg: Services directory not available. while trying to access XXXX from ckermit.ksd file of following format: XXXX vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 9,796-1087 Should I edit *.kdd too? 3) Would like to be able to use the arrow keys and map/code commands/macros as key functions. ex: 'F4' <==> atdt ########## etc. thanks a lot for u'r time, anil raman@stimpy.mfa.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 14:22:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:25:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:25:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!nntp.hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!apang From: apang@cs.ust.hk (Albert PANG) Subject: How To read/write Chinese at a remote host using UNIX C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Apr24.142214.28377@uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet@uxmail.ust.hk Nntp-Posting-Host: cssu81.cs.ust.hk Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:22:14 GMT Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How to read/write Chinese at a remote host using UNIX C-Kermit ============================================================== Software required: ----------------- 1) cxterm 2) kermit 'cxterm' is available at anonymous ftp ftp://cs.purdue.edu:/pub/ygz/cxterm-??.??.??.tar.Z Linuxers can also get a binary version on Linux at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/xutils/terms/cxterm-??.tar.gz C-Kermit 5A for your version of UNIX is available from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku190.tar.{Z,gz} Setup procedure: ---------------- 1. Make sure you have cxterm properly installed and can display/write Chinese characters in your local host. To get cxterm properly installed, the FAQ for cxterm, which is available at anonymous ftp: cs.purdue.edu:/pub/ygz/CXTERM.FAQ will be helpful. There are currently a few encoding methods for Chinese characters. They are Big5, GB and HZ. In HK and Taiwan, Big5 is more popular and in Mainland China, GB and HZ are more popular. 'cxterm' can be configured to support all of them. Anyway, this will not be relevant to kermit, as long as they are 8-bit code. 'cxterm' configured to a particular encoding will recognize that encoding only. 2. Open a cxterm and run kermit. 3. Configure kermit. Before you connect your modem to kermit, you need some parameter settings: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Then connect as usual and log in to your remote host. 4. At your remote host, set the terminal to allow 8-bit character by UNIX-Prompt> stty pass8 This example works on SunOS, but the syntax might differ for other UNIX systems, for example "stty cs8" or "stty -parity". On non-UNIX systems use the appropriate command (like "set terminal /eightbit" on VMS). If you don't do this, you can still read Chinese, but you can't type, since your terminal will truncate the highest bit of your code. (unless of course, your terminal has already been configured) You might like to include the above line in your shell rc script, so that you won't have to type it in every time you log in. 5. Voila! You should now be able to read/write Chinese in your cxterm. Go get a cup of tea or something and try read some Chinese newsgroups. alt.chinese.txt.big5 alt.chinese.txt tw.bbs.talk.joke Make sure you have the right kind of cxterm. cxterm configured to read Big5 will not recognize a passage written in GB, and vice versa. And for information about how to read/write Chinese using MS-DOS Kermit, see "Circumnavigating the Web" in Kermit News #6: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/newsn6.{txt,ps} http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 23:28:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:28:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:28:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!..Optimum EXE trnsf setting & using .ksd file Date: 24 Apr 1995 23:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3nhc7h$h2b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net>, Anil Raman wrote: >1) EXE file transfer between VAX sustems on a 9600 baud noisy phone line > using C-Kermit 5A(190): > >Settings tried so far: > win = 1 - 30 > block = 2 - 3 > time send/rec = 20 - 92 > type = bin/image fixed > speed = 9600 > packet send/rec = 1000 - 5000 > remote mode = server > >Result: Times out, too many retries or takes too long. > Tried the recommended settings in "Truth about kermit..." did not get the > efficiency obtained in the benchmarks..(maybe because they weren't run on > a VAX m/c). > You are on the right track, but it simply can't be emphasized enough: EVERY CONNECTION HAS ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS or: NO TWO CONNECTIONS HAVE THE SAME OPTIMUM SETTINGS If I really, really wanted to find the absolute optimum settings for a particular connection, I would perform a two-dimensional binary search on a matrix of window size vs packet size -- a time-consuming process. And then, having obtained the optimum window/packet combination, I'd add in control-character unprefixing -- but, again, homing in on the largest set of control character that can be unprefixed without causing trouble is a time-consuming process. The fact that you have a noisy connection, however, narrows down the possbilities -- you really don't want to use very long packets when the connection is noisy, because: . The longer a packet, the greater the chance it will be struck by noise. . The longer a packet, the longer it takes to retransmit. Also, since the line is noisy: . Use SET BLOCK 3. . Increase the retry limit if necessary. You will not get optimimum performance on a noisy line, no matter what protocol you use. >2) Error msg: Services directory not available. > while trying to access XXXX from ckermit.ksd file of following format: > > XXXX vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 9,796-1087 > > Should I edit *.kdd too? > No, that message simply means it can't find your CKERMIT.KSD file. It should go in your login directory. >3) Would like to be able to use the arrow keys and map/code commands/macros > as key functions. > ex: 'F4' <==> atdt ########## etc. > What version of Kermit are you talking about? On what computer? Is this VMS again? If so, the answer is, sorry, no, you can't access F-keys from C-Kermit's SET KEY command. The operating system hides them from Kermit. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, the answer is yes -- use SET KEY for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 23:38:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:42:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:42:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: hecht@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-KERMIT for OS/2 Date: 24 Apr 1995 23:38:00 GMT Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3nhcoo$c15@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hecht@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip36-88.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying out the various beta versions of the C-KERMIT 191 for OS/2 and love it! There was a notice on Thursday or Friday that the beta test was over and that there would be an announcement today about the production version. Is there going to be a delay? Where can I get more info? Thanks in advance Gerry Hecht From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 21:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:12:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:12:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: snavelym@oumail1.email.ohiou.edu (Mike Snavely) Subject: Keyboard initiated macro X-Nntp-Posting-Host: snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Mon Apr 24 17:37:36 1995 Reply-To: snavelym@oumail1.email.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:37:38 GMT Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, This question relates to a MS-Kermit trick that used to work for us with version 3.10 and 3.11, but stopped working when commands were obsoleted in version 3.12 or 3.13. Here's what I used to do, and it worked rather nicely. I have two different keyboard mappings we use with MS-Kermit. One is an IBM mainframe mapping, another is a DEC VAX mapping. I used to program MS-Kermit, such that CTRL-F1 would serve as a toggle. If I pressed it once, it would toggle from IBM to DEC, if I pressed it again, it would toggle back from DEC to IBM. I did that with the use of the pre-defined TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros. See code below. Excerpt from MSKERMIT.INI file: assign \%i ibm.set assign \%v dec.set assign \%p keymap.ini def terminalr take \%v,- echo Keyboard switched to DEC settings \13,- pause 2, connect def terminals take \%i,- echo Keyboard switched to IBM settings \13,- pause 2, connect def product take \%p, connect Furthermore, the KEYMAP.INI file allowed host-triggered ESCAPE sequences to perform the keyboard mapping swap on login and logout from the VAX. Each of the keyboard mapping files then had a definition for CTRL-F1 that pointed to the appropriate macro. IBM.SET had the following line... set key \1374 \Kterminalr ; CTRL-F1 = Swap to DEC settings DEC.SET had the following line... set key \1374 \Kterminals ; CTRL-F1 = Switch to IBM settings ---- Terminalr and Terminals are no longer supported. I have tried a number of possible solutions and have yet to be completely satisfied. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. /Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 10:43:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:00:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:00:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 25 Apr 1995 04:43:00 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3nijnk$hlo@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu it does not, at this point i am in the process of trying out joe doupnik's suggestions (see) gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 13:02:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:02:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:02:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard initiated macro Date: 25 Apr 1995 13:02:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3nirss$lt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Snavely wrote: : This question relates to a MS-Kermit trick that used to work for us : with version 3.10 and 3.11, but stopped working when commands were : obsoleted in version 3.12 or 3.13. : : Here's what I used to do, and it worked rather nicely. I have two : different keyboard mappings we use with MS-Kermit. One is an IBM : mainframe mapping, another is a DEC VAX mapping. I used to program : MS-Kermit, such that CTRL-F1 would serve as a toggle. If I pressed : it once, it would toggle from IBM to DEC, if I pressed it again, it : would toggle back from DEC to IBM. I did that with the use of the : pre-defined TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros. See code below. : : Excerpt from MSKERMIT.INI file: : : assign \%i ibm.set : assign \%v dec.set : assign \%p keymap.ini : def terminalr take \%v,- : echo Keyboard switched to DEC settings \13,- : pause 2, connect : def terminals take \%i,- : echo Keyboard switched to IBM settings \13,- : pause 2, connect : def product take \%p, connect : This should still work. TERMINALR and TERMINALS can still be used as macro names, but there is now nothing special about them, and they are no longer tied to an escape sequence. The PRODUCT macro and associated escape sequence should still work as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit". : Furthermore, the KEYMAP.INI file allowed host-triggered ESCAPE sequences : to perform the keyboard mapping swap on login and logout from the VAX. : As described at length in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, the escape sequence that was used for this purpose suddenly popped up in DEC software (e.g. DECnotes, DECforms, etc), so we could not use it any more. Rather than "invent" another new escape sequence for this purpose, only to have it usurpred again, and then repeat the process indefinitely, we chose a new path: use an escape sequence that is already defined for the VT320, called Application Program Command (APC). It works differently from the old TERMINALR/S method, however. Instead of requiring each user to have these macros defined, it allows the host application to control everything, even when MS-DOS Kermit is running "bare". From a management standpoint, this is a lot better, right? Procedures are defined (and fixed, if needed) in one place rather than hundreds, etc. : Each of the keyboard mapping files then had a definition for CTRL-F1 : that pointed to the appropriate macro. : : IBM.SET had the following line... : set key \1374 \Kterminalr ; CTRL-F1 = Swap to DEC settings : : DEC.SET had the following line... : set key \1374 \Kterminals ; CTRL-F1 = Switch to IBM settings : : Terminalr and Terminals are no longer supported. I have tried a number : of possible solutions and have yet to be completely satisfied. : Anybody have any suggestions? : Read the section on APC in KERMIT.UPD (section 10 for version 3.14). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 11:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:00:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 25 Apr 1995 05:37:53 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3nimuh$khj@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <3nijnk$hlo@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu update: i have just had a lynx session in which everything worked just fine! over many previous trials, this has never happened, as far as i can remember, or rather not with kermit. i have done nothing different, so i suspect something has been reconfigured at the unix node, but, just in case, i now have joe doupnik's suggestions to try, if i have problems in the future. thanks to all, gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 11:43:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 25 Apr 1995 05:43:34 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3nin96$on9@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu suddenly, everything works: more than one lynx session, the arrow keys work perfectly, and i have done nothing to account for this. presumably something has been reconfigured at the remote unix node. to my knowledge, the arrow keys have never worked properly with kermit and lynx, at either of my full internet access providers, before now... in case of future trouble, i am now armed with joe doupnik's suggestions. many thanks! gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 16:55:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:54:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Les Wilson <100271.326@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit in Batch Mode Date: 25 Apr 1995 16:55:03 GMT Organization: 3C Communications Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on VAXes using VMS 5.4-2 and use the VAX C Compiler version V3.0-031 and AXP2100 using OpenVMS v.6 and DecC 4.0 When I try to run kermit in a submitted job, it simply fails. The message I get in the log is : %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! I have borrowed another VMS version that works. So I suspect a compilation problem. I did recompiled the code. No effect. Is there anyone who could give me a clue ? Renny From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 19:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:14:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:14:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit in Batch Mode Date: 25 Apr 1995 19:14:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3njhn3$p0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Les Wilson <100271.326@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I'm working on VAXes using VMS 5.4-2 and use the VAX C Compiler >version V3.0-031 and AXP2100 using OpenVMS v.6 and DecC 4.0 > > When I try to run kermit in a submitted job, it simply fails. >The message I get in the log is : > %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! > When reporting problems with Kermit software, it is always a good idea to be specific about the version number. The inability of C-Kermit to run in batch was fixed in version 5A(190), released last October. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, text mode, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 19:41:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!cmg From: cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Announcing OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Date: 25 Apr 1995 19:41:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 311 Message-Id: <3njj9t$3s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2597 comp.os.os2.apps:79482 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:26670 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce the release of OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot more information in it (hypertext links): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past the following fifty lines (about two 24-line screens). OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over: . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds. . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP. . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections. . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes. . Asynchronous communication servers. Offering: . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control, printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc. . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download. . A powerful and portable script programming language. . A large repertoire of character-set translations. . Dialing and services directories. . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem). And lots of OS/2-specific features, including: . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations. . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard. . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes. . Work Place Shell integration through program objects. . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions. . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers. . SLIPTERM compatibility. . Integration with IBM WebExplorer. . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2 system to another, with all file attributes preserved. . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load. . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication. With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit is ideally suited to OS/2 users who: . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services. . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections, e.g. for home and office use. . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting). . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files. . Want to communicate in languages other than English. . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms. Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web site starting at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html The rest of this announcement is pretty much a repetition of the Beta Test announcement. Except that the following features were added during the Beta test: . ISO 2022 character-set designation and invocation in VT220 emulation. . Protected fields in VT220 emulation. . New MOVE and MMOVE commands for "moving" files. . Host-initiated autoprint now supported (separate from transparent print). C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00 and later, including Warp. It adds the following major new features: . Dramatic speed improvements . Sizeable terminal screens. . New and improved mouse functions. . Improved TELNET client functions. . Incoming TCP/IP connections. . SLIP dialing. . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation. . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation. . The new features that were added during the Beta test, listed just above. . Numerous fixes. And many lesser ones. In more detail: SPEED IMPROVEMENTS CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions. C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating. Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before. To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session: C-Kermit 5A(190) 24 sec IBM Telnet 22 sec (TCP/IP 1.2.1) MS-DOS Kermit 12 sec (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2) C-Kermit 5A(191) 5 sec In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55 seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement. The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several other astounding feats: . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens. . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back. . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below). Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds without seriously impacting the rest of the system. SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too. In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen area of 8192 characters. In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132 columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows. Not all combinations are supported by all video hardware. Warp is not required. Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video adapter supports it. Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the "NAWS" option. SOFT FONTS C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any pair of them. But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right characters on the screen. For example, in version 5A(190) we added support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page onto a US version of OS/2. The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window: CP437 - Original PC code page CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc) CP862 - Hebrew code page CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following languages: Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for furnishing these public-domain fonts. CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups and Web pages. But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters? The new C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes: . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout. . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes. . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc). This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available in earlier releases: . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc). . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish. THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor steering, were introduced in the previous release. In version 5A(191): . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen, scrollback buffer included. . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events. . You can assign them to keys. . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events. . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps. To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in the rollback buffer: . Hold down the left mouse button. . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected. . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens. . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging. Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard, printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your terminal session. TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before. Several TELNET protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to "firewalls". Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when provided by the name server, until success is achieved. TELNET NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added. Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute Kermit server functions. OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver. This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM. There are new controls for TELNET NVT/binary mode and CRLF mapping, since these areas are so problematic with the proliferation of incompatible (and often confused) TELNET servers: SET TELNET { NVT, BINARY } NEWLINE-MODE { ON, OFF, RAW } SET TELNET BINARY-MODE { ACCEPTED, REFUSED, REQUESTED } SOCKS support added for TELNET'ing through firewalls. OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol implementation. If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services, especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this means. OTHER CHANGES ...include: . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages. . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY. . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information", "Warning", and "Error" events. . MOVE and MMOVE commands added = SEND and MSEND, then delete. . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added. . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation. . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc. NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit. Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release. DOCUMENTATION C-Kermit 5A is comprehensively and professionally documented in the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF file, which covers recent additions up to and including edit 191. If you will be using OS/2 C-Kermit and you have not already purchased this book, please purchase it. It will answer your questions, it will show you how to get the most out of the software, and book sales are the primary source of funding for the Kermit effort. Ordering information for the book is included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit> prompt with the UPDATES command. HOW TO GET IT OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) may be obtained from kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/archives, file cko191.zip. Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way), unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL script. You may also order the new version on diskette from Columbia University. If you already have a copy of "Using C-Kermit", use the tear-out form in back to order the diskette only. If you don't have the book, then order the book+diskette package from us: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Book only: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Book + OS/2 C-Kermit: US $45.00 (US, Canada, Mexico), $55 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or PREPAID by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. Please note that C-Kermit is copyrighted software, and it may not be redistributed by commercial enterprises (including makers of CD-ROMs) without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University, at the address above. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 23:40:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:26:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:40:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stardust.jj.reshall.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Did anybody get this combination to work? Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this driver, at least under Win311. I got an error message when trying to load the driver. Can't figure out what went wrong. Jack Jack Huang jch25@columbia.edu http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 22:31:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:13:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!earlham.edu!earlham.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> From: MARKP@earlham.edu (Mark H Pearson) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:31:28 GMT Reply-To: markp@earlham.edu Organization: Earlham College Nntp-Posting-Host: painswick.cc.earlham.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times already, but ... I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what the 'official' line on this is. It's my humble opinion that even though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 / VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. What are the sticky issues in porting Kermit into the Windows environment, apart from the obvious one that it sucketh and hath no development tools .... ? Thanks for any comments. Mark Pearson Earlham College Mark H Pearson Academic Computing Free Agent NoozeReader Earlham College, Richmond, IN 47374 Analog Voice Comms: (317) 983 1279 Analog Bitmap Comms: (317) 983 1253 Slogan-of-the-week: Windows 95 - the nightmare continues From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 21:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:16:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:16:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!bfm1!newshost!egorman From: egorman%dev27@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Eugene Gorman) Subject: kermit script suspends with escape Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: news@bfm.com Organization: BFM Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:10:09 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by hand, I am not suspended. -- Eugene Gorman **************************************************************************** | BlackRock Financial Mgt. | email.............egorman@bfm.com| | 345 Park Avenue | voice.............212-754-5567 | | New York, NY 10154 | fax...............212-754-5397 | **************************************************************************** Good pings come in small packets. -- Eugene Gorman **************************************************************************** | BlackRock Financial Mgt. | email.............egorman@bfm.com| | 345 Park Avenue | voice.............212-754-5567 | | New York, NY 10154 | fax...............212-754-5397 | **************************************************************************** Good pings come in small packets. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 15:01:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Corruption Message-Id: <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Apr 95 21:01:39 MDT References: <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com>, glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: > Can someone tell me what the chances are for file corruption in a > Kermit transfer? I always use Block Check 3, as I thought this was > a near-perfect checksum. But today I had a file corrupted during a > transfer, in spite of that. The relevant lines from the fullscreen > display at the end of the transfer are: > > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, play > > Communication Speed: 19200 > Parity: none > > File Type: binary > File Size: 1448299 > Window Slots: 1 of 30 > Packet Count: 18054 > Packet Retry Count: 3511 > Packet Block Check: 3 > > Last Error: Timeout > > Once all the issues of flow control, timeouts, retries, etc. are > past, that's when the checksum algorithm should get run. There's > clearly something complex about this file (it's compressed data) > that causes the many retries, but I don't understand why the > checksum algorithm is failing. Is there a stronger alternative > so I can get a better guarantee of correct transmission? Do I > have to run the UNIX "sum" after all transfers to make sure they > got over the wire okay? > > Glenn Herteg > glenn@ia-us.com ------------- Making the best I can of this... First of all, it appears as if the file tranfer terminated early from a timeout. That would, naturally, lead to a "corrupted" file by missing the end. Might this be the case here? Second, the above shows about one packet in six was repeated. That's a fairly high error rate. Then, based on "second" we need to realize that no error checking algorithm can be perfect. The block-3 check is a CRC polynomial method and is as good as they get. But none is perfect. To entertain readers with why I can say this comfortably may I receite a short story from Andrew Tanenbaum's classical book "Computer Networks"? Ok, here goes. Two armies are fighting a final battle. One army is in a valley and the other is split on two hilltops. The hill army can win if and only if its two parts can attack in unison. Messages can be sent from hill to hill, intercepted, faked, misunderstood, and all the foibles we can imagine. The question is: is there an algorithm (messages) which guarantees absolutely the hill army wins? Try it on the person sitting next to you on the plane. The answer is: there isn't such an algorithm. Each message needs confirmation so that each side knows the other side knows what it does, and knows that they know that it knows that they know, and so on. If a last message gave that assurance, just supposing, and it happen to be lost then things would go to pot. Thus, to be sure, we'd need confirmation that the "last message" got through, consituting a "last message + 1" needing confirmation, and hence the "last message" is not sufficient. The problem recurses forever. The moral of the story is add as many check bits as desired, in as clever a fashion as desired, and there still isn't a guarantee of perfection. For a given check algorithm and fixed number of check bits the chances of slipping through increase with the length of the packet. Maybe you can send a copy of the file to us at Columbia Univ for replaying on local equipment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 04:52:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:23:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:23:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!ablecom!ns2.MainStreet.Net!ftp.netgate.net!news From: awu@ftp.netgate.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 26 Apr 1995 04:52:46 GMT Organization: NetGate Communicaitons Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> Reply-To: awu@ftp.netgate.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ng25.netgate.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. Andrew. //--------------------------------------------------------------------// // Andrew Wu // // San Jose, CA, USA // // Internet: awu@scuacc.scu.edu // // awu@netgate.net // // Using OS/2 Warp and NR/2 // //--------------------------------------------------------------------// From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:06:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script suspends with escape Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:06:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3nlk1e$9gl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Eugene Gorman wrote: >I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the >appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and >escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. >If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just >fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a >way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by >hand, I am not suspended. > This is a variation on a frequently asked question. The question comes in so many forms, I don't really know how to rephrase it in a generic way, but the answer is always the same: DON'T USE THE CONNECT COMMAND IN A SCRIPT PROGRAM UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO START THE TERMINAL EMULATOR. Please read the documentation. The CONNECT command "connects" your keyboard and screen to the remote host. The CONNECT command stays active until you escape back to the command processor. Conversely, the command processor is not active during CONNECT mode, and thus your script does not execute while CONNECT mode is active. In a script program, you replace the CONNECT command with INPUT, OUTPUT, and IF FAIL / IF SUCCESS commands to do under program control what you would have done by hand / by eye in CONNECT mode. In this case, your Kermit script stops because you have entered CONNECT mode, the host sends an Escape, and the terminal emulator is waiting for the rest of the escape sequence. Cure: don't do that. Use INPUT. Read the book. Look at the numerous examples of how to construct login scripts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:21:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:21:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:21:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:21:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, Mark H Pearson wrote: >I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times >already, but ... > Yes, more times than can be counted, each and every day. >I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. >However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a >pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, >then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the >score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and >uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... > Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the funds or programmer time to do it. We could not possibly be more aware of the demand. >I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what >the 'official' line on this is. > There is no Beta Kermit for Windows from Columbia. >It's my humble opinion that even >though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 >/ VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, >scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. > We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, and because of the rules of PC networking, we can't have Winsock and another TCP/IP stack active at the same time, nor can MS-DOS Kermit "use" Winsock because Kermit is a DOS application -- a "Windows-aware" DOS application, but still not a "native" Windows application. Here is the official response from Kermit headquarters: as much as we do NOT appreciate being jerked around by the Microsoft "standard" du jour, we do appreciate that millions of PC users are hostage to it, and we will do our best to accommodate -- until the next time the rug is pulled out from underneath us. In the meantime, sites that have thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a giant bag of free goodies. If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:33:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:34:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:34:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Corruption Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:33:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3nllkn$ccv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com> <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com>, glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: >> Can someone tell me what the chances are for file corruption in a >> Kermit transfer? I always use Block Check 3, as I thought this was >> a near-perfect checksum. But today I had a file corrupted during a >> transfer, in spite of that. The relevant lines from the fullscreen >> display at the end of the transfer are: > To Joe's comments I will only add that, in my opinion, the chances of corrupted data slipping through a Cyclic Redundancy Check are considerably smaller than the chances of a bug in the software. Your posting shows that you were using the previous release of C-Kermit. Obviously, it would be better to use the current version, 5A(190). You did not say which Kermit program was on the other end. Some commercial and shareware Kermit implementations are known to corrupt files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 03:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:24:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:23:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script suspends with escape Message-Id: <1995Apr26.091858.48723@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 09:18:58 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , egorman@dev27 (Eugene Gorman) writes: > > I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the > appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and > escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. > If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just > fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a > way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by > hand, I am not suspended. --------- I think I understand your situation, and the cure too. The problem is the remote host sends some bytes during the Connect process, and the last of them is ESC. At that point your script halts and you need to intervene to continue. Here's my guess. You are echoing arriving material to the screen and ANSI.SYS is loaded. ANSI.SYS is trying to "parse" (recognize) control sequences and it got the lead-in, ESC, for one. Thus it sits there waiting for more of the sequence before displaying more text. It's running, but we can't see that. The script is running, but ANSI.SYS has suspended screen updates until a control-sequence terminator (typically a letter) has arrived. My suggestions are a) turn off script echoing (SET INPUT ECHO OFF) through the ESC, or b) match on material up to or well after the ESC. I think the ESC is part of a control sequence sent to you and it's best to let Kermit's terminal emulator deal with it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 03:27:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:31:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:31:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <1995Apr26.092730.48725@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 09:27:30 MDT References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, MARKP@earlham.edu (Mark H Pearson) writes: > I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times > already, but ... > > I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. > However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a > pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, > then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the > score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and > uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... > > I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what > the 'official' line on this is. It's my humble opinion that even > though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 > / VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, > scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. What are the sticky issues > in porting Kermit into the Windows environment, apart from the obvious > one that it sucketh and hath no development tools .... ? --------- There isn't a beta Kermit for Windows, at least nothing from the Columbia Univ Kermit project. There is MS-DOS Kermit which while being a DOS program is Windows-aware and tries to get along. Perhaps you are trying too hard above. Since my place uses MSK rather heavily in Windows, and students are also rather fond of Netscape et al, I create two .BAT files for them. One simply brings up Windows normally and MSK runs in it. The other loads Novell's LWP/DOS TCP/IP stack, removes most program icons, adds Netscape, brings up Windows; on exiting it unloads LWP. The cost is small: just a directory with copies of *.ini, *.grp and win.com for the second case. All this material lives on a read-only Novell NetWare fileserver. Creating a solid comms program in Windows is a rather difficult and lengthy task. One doesn't port programs this way. We have commented on the issue about every week in this group. The sticky points are money to pay for people and time, people, and time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 00:57:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:48:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pasture.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta Telnet Problem Date: 26 Apr 1995 00:57:58 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3nk5qm$qtp@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3njjq7$ptt@news4.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasture.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vincent Greene writes: >I can press Return at the Login prompt and it will display >two more login prompts. If I type my username at the login prompt and >hit Return, it will skip the password prompt and display "invalid login." I experienced *similar* (but possibly completely different) behavior when I recently used COM.SYS instead of SIO.SYS ('cause my Wacom tablet didn't like SIO). I switched back to SIO and all was fine. (Yes, I think I'm finally convinced that SIO is worth hanging on to - and registering!) --kyler From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 07:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <1995Apr26.135112.48774@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 13:51:12 MDT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: > Did anybody get this combination to work? > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this > driver, at least under Win311. > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. > Can't figure out what went wrong. ------ Well, Jack, I doubt that we can tell you what went wrong either. Win95 is loaded with funnies which change by the build number, not to mention what the user can do to the mixture. We are not into giving installation advice wrt Win95, as you can understand, and we have no responsibility for the shim. In short, this isn't the place for the problem. However, I will try to remember to have a quick look at the situation this weekend. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 07:57:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Message-Id: <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 13:57:49 MDT References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a > DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit > for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize > the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. ----------- MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs (or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 19:54:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:08:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:08:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!news.interpac.net!usenet From: floyd@interpac.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 script question Date: 26 Apr 1995 19:54:24 GMT Organization: InterPacific Networks - Hawaii Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s4.interpac.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to create a script which will not echo the scripts commands to the remote user. Can this be done? I have tried "set take-echo off" with no luck. Can anyone help? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:23:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:23:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:23:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 script question Date: 27 Apr 1995 01:23:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3nmrn3$p8t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net>, wrote: : I am trying to create a script which will not echo the scripts commands : to the remote user. Can this be done? I have tried "set take-echo off" : with no luck. Can anyone help? Thanks! : Try "set input echo off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 05:01:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:01:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:01:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 27 Apr 1995 05:01:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a >> DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit >> for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize >> the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. >----------- > MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means >it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the >resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK >should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. > It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, >Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs >(or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into >the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems >represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only >to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. > Joe D. The OS/2 IAK provides an implementation of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for DOS within OS/2 DOS Sessions. However, MS-DOS Kermit does not work in that environment. You can however use MS-DOS Kermit in conjunction with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. I have installed SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS (fossil), and VMODEM (com3). Then I tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT FOSSIL 3, and dial away to my host. VMODEM uses binary telnet connections so sometimes you must use ^J instead ^M. But otherwise it works fine. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:44:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:39:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:39:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TELNET VT220 Support Date: 27 Apr 1995 01:44:07 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. Paul Taylor, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada -- Paul Taylor, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada that I can run C-Kermit at 14400? This must surely be a FAQ, but I can't find the answer in the only Kermit FAQ available to me. TIA, and best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell The "wisdom" of today judges governmental Pixel Analysis organizations only by their failures and (alan@clark.net) private organizations only by their successes. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 03:37:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:55:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:55:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 03:37:47 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 28 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cursa.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From that section: "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this paragraph? A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu ituation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a >giant bag of free goodies. Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute kermit? >If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for >a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to >Kermit. This is not a reasonable approach for more than a few people at a site since it also doubles your wiring plant if you are using 10BaseT and the number of IP addresses you need. And it's no help at all for people who want to use a dial-up winsock to connect to a local internet provider, then among other things, run scripted kermit sessions to remote machines. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:31:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:55:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:55:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!granite.ciw.edu!finger From: finger@granite.ciw.edu Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <27Apr95.013131.3009@granite.ciw.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 01:31:31 GMT References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Geophysical Laboratory Lines: 74 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, >Mark H Pearson wrote: >>I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times >>already, but ... >> >Yes, more times than can be counted, each and every day. > >>I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. >>However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a >>pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, >>then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the >>score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and >>uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... >> >Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. >This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the >funds or programmer time to do it. > >We could not possibly be more aware of the demand. > >>I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what >>the 'official' line on this is. >> >There is no Beta Kermit for Windows from Columbia. > >>It's my humble opinion that even >>though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 >>/ VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, >>scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. >> >We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything >you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, >character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact >built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. > >But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, and because of >the rules of PC networking, we can't have Winsock and another TCP/IP >stack active at the same time, nor can MS-DOS Kermit "use" Winsock >because Kermit is a DOS application -- a "Windows-aware" DOS >application, but still not a "native" Windows application. > >Here is the official response from Kermit headquarters: as much as we >do NOT appreciate being jerked around by the Microsoft "standard" du >jour, we do appreciate that millions of PC users are hostage to it, and >we will do our best to accommodate -- until the next time the rug is >pulled out from underneath us. In the meantime, sites that have >thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because >Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to >help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The >situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a >giant bag of free goodies. > >If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for >a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to >Kermit. > >- Frank Obviously, somebody jumped on Frank today. I would not dismiss the use of a packet driver, PKTMUX and as many PKTDRV stubs as you need. We use that setup with TCP/IP Kermit, NCSA Telnet and winsock compliant apps. If you also use QEMM, none of that takes ANY low memory and it is stable. I too would like a Windows native version of Kermit AND I'm willing to contribute some money. Where do I send the check? Larry W. Finger finger@granite.ciw.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:00:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:00:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting modem speed Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:00:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3no4hg$kbb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nmpig$e52@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmpig$e52@clark.net>, Alan McConnell wrote: >Hi, everybody! I have a fine US-Robotics modem whose maximum speed >is 14400 -- which it is capable of when I run minicom under Linux. >But when I run C-Kermit, I get a message just after the two modems >have negotiated: "Can't change speed to 14400", and it turns out >they've negotiated to 9600. What I want to know is: what do I have >to change in the C-Kermit source(I have just grabbed C-Kermit190) >so that I can run C-Kermit at 14400? This must surely be a FAQ, >but I can't find the answer in the only Kermit FAQ available to me. > It is indeed an FAQ, and the answer is indeed in the Kermit FAQ, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/moreinfo.html And of course, the answer is also in the manual. Quoting from the FAQ: 15. Q: WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32bis (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)" A: Tell C-Kermit to SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF; explained below. Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit". To recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400, that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful connection, and change their interface speed to match. Thus, the communication software would also have to change its own interface speed, or else the user would see only garbage. Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the modulation speed. The interface speed can be kept constant even though the modulation speed changes. Or not, depending on how the modem is configured. Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800" (or whatever) message. By default, for compatibility with the huge installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes its interface speed according to the CONNECT message. So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to change its interface speed by giving it the command: SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as 14400 and 28800. Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or 28800). But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked. You would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change speed" message. See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:10:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:10:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3no53n$lam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions >of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute >kermit? > There were more user contributions in the past, but that has nothing to do with our redistribution policies, which have not changed. Please don't start this one up again. There are thousands of mirror sites for Kermit software, there are thousands of universities, government agencies, and corporations in which literally millions of people are using Kermit software internally without paying us a dime. What's your complaint? Never mind, don't answer. There were more contributions in the past because the net used to be a hangout for techies who liked trading code. The net has changed. Now it is a commodity exchange. Nobody gives away anything any more. That's mainly because nobody can afford to -- the old subsidies are long gone. It's a different world. Personally, I would prefer to spend more of my time on design and development and less on fund-raising. But I don't have a choice. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:12:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:12:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:12:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:12:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3no582$lhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal >escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The >TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except >for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am >using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the >foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > I'm sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. My VT220 manual does not say a word about fore/background processing. Please send mail to kermit@columbia.edu and explain exactly what you think Kermit should be doing. What are the escape sequences, etc? A session log would help. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 14:28:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:28:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:28:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 27 Apr 1995 14:28:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >Maybe you should work out a deal with this guy: > >(from the README file in kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen) >--------------- >This directory contains the compressed distribution files for >Kermit for Windows. The files are as follows: > > kmw080.zip - Kermit for Windows Version 0.80 (16 bit) > kmn080.zip - Kermit for Windows NT Version 0.80 (32 bit) > >You must have MS Windows NT to use kmn080.zip. You must have MS Windows >Version 3.1 or greater to use kmw080.zip. > >These programs are ditributed as "freeware". You may freely use, copy, >and distribute the programs. However, you must distribute each of the >above zip files in their entirety and without modification. > >Comments or questions should be sent via Internet to the author >wwarthen@kaiwan.com. >----------------- > >This works over the serial ports or winsock, and has most of the >file transfer options. It is limited to vt-102 terminal emulation >and lacks scripting in this version. As you mention there is no scripting, the terminal emulator is not just limited to saying that it is a vt102 but it is not a correct vt102. In addition, the kermit protocol implementation is not complete. Plus, there is no keyboard remapping. I could go on. >Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions >of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute >kermit? No this is not the reason for the lack of contributions. The lack of contributions is caused by a lack of time. Nowadays, very few people who are expert programmers are willing/able to donate the thousands of programming hours necessary to implement a good user interface on MS Windows, OS/2 PM, X Motif, .... The amount of time that I have put into OS/2 C-Kermit in the last two years is close to 1200 hours. And this is on top of my full time job. And I still don't have a GUI interface. It just isn't that easy when you want to have a consistent portable code base. While Wayne Warthen has spent two years working on his Kermit program for Windows, he admits that there are still years left of work for him to do if he was to seriously want to donate it and release it as non- Beta software. And even then, it would be completely incompatible with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. The appropriate approach is to port the C-Kermit code base to Windows and provide it with an Event Driven interface and protocol engine. However, the only feasible way to do this is with threads. So we wait for Windows 95. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 14:39:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:40:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:40:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 14:39:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to >Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, >the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From >that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > >Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use >C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use >C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this >paragraph? Pretty straight forward. DO NOT USE KERMIT in an attach.cmd file. In fact do not use an attach.cmd file at all. Here is how I connect to Columbia's SLIP service. STart SLIP.EXE Execute ckermit -C "slip" where the macro slip is defined as: define slip- access slipwatts,- input 5 >,- output login\13,- input 5 login:,- output jaltman\13,- input 5 password:,- output firehorse\13,- input 5 >,- output slip\13,- set port com1,- !bootp sl0,- telnet kermit and slipwatts is a services directory entry: slipwatts nologin xxxxx call hayes slipcom1 57600 1-212-854-3726 > >A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to >dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 >Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options >should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before >reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? >Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit The paragraph above says that SLIP should be started before C-Kermit. You SLIP settings should be defined in your SLIP.CFG file in the ETC directory. And the values of those settings should be received from your SLIP provider. I use BOOTP to get the IP Address information. If your provider does not support it then you must use a series of INPUT commands and the \v(input) variable to capture the necessary IP addresses and then use ifconfig to install them. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 16:19:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:19:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:19:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Control: cancel <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: 27 Apr 1995 16:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 5 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nog68$bc3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> was cancelled from within trn. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 16:22:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:22:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:22:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 16:22:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nogce$bnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to >Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, >the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From >that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > >Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use >C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use >C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this >paragraph? Pretty straight forward. DO NOT USE KERMIT in an attach.cmd file. In fact do not use an attach.cmd file at all. Here is how I connect to Columbia's SLIP service. STart SLIP.EXE Execute ckermit -C "slip" where the macro slip is defined as: define slip- access slipwatts,- input 5 >,- output login\13,- input 5 login:,- output jaltman\13,- input 5 password:,- output PASSWORD\13,- input 5 >,- output slip\13,- set port com1,- !bootp sl0,- telnet kermit and slipwatts is a services directory entry: slipwatts nologin xxxxx call hayes slipcom1 57600 1-212-555-1111 > >A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to >dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 >Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options >should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before >reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? >Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit The paragraph above says that SLIP should be started before C-Kermit. You SLIP settings should be defined in your SLIP.CFG file in the ETC directory. And the values of those settings should be received from your SLIP provider. I use BOOTP to get the IP Address information. If your provider does not support it then you must use a series of INPUT commands and the \v(input) variable to capture the necessary IP addresses and then use ifconfig to install them. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 17:25:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:42:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:42:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!jake.esu.edu!falcon.ma.iup.edu!urzntcb From: Kurt Claussen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CTRL-PrintScr Problem? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:25:18 -0400 Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.ma.iup.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heyo! I have sort of a problem here. (Perhaps I just have something configured wrong, but it may be a bug..) I just got C-Kermit 5a(191) for OS/2, and when I type Ctrl-PrintScreen, it will print just fine, but it doesn't send anything to the screen, so if I want a sort of session log to be sent to the printer, I have to do it blindly.. 5a(190) did not have a problem with this.. any suggestions? Cheers.. ]); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:01:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:00:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Message-Id: <1995Apr27.091259.48890@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 09:12:59 MDT References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal > escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The > TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except > for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am > using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the > foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > ----------- Paul, Ummm, VT220's are real terminals and not computers. They have no concept of foreground/background. There is no VT220 control sequence to do fore/background. Emulators of VT220 emulate that terminal. Even the concept of fore/background is extremely operating system dependent. Consequently, you are looking at someone's hack into an emulator. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 21:29:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CTRL-PrintScr Problem? Date: 27 Apr 1995 21:29:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3np2c0$gm2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kurt Claussen wrote: >Heyo! > > I have sort of a problem here. (Perhaps I just have something >configured wrong, but it may be a bug..) I just got C-Kermit 5a(191) for >OS/2, and when I type Ctrl-PrintScreen, it will print just fine, but it >doesn't send anything to the screen, so if I want a sort of session log >to be sent to the printer, I have to do it blindly.. 5a(190) did not have >a problem with this.. any suggestions? First, for the benefit of others some background information. You are using a Full Screen session. Because if you were using the Windowed OS/2 sessions, Ctrl-PrintScreen would never be seen by C-Kermit. C-Kermit 5a(190) for OS/2 only supported VT Controller (transparent) print mode. The proper functionality of that mode is to not print characters to the screen but to send them directly to the printer. Version 5a(191) also supports Auto-Print. This takes every line that is sent to the screen and prints it when the cursor leave the current line. This is what it sounds like you want to have happen. Add to your CKERMOD.INI file the following line: SET KEY \370 \PrtAuto Remember, this key assignment will only be available during a full-screen session. So you might want to assign it to a different key combination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 21:49:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:02:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!parsifal.nando.net!parsifal.nando.net!bkurson From: Zotar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT V3.10 .ini file? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:49:02 -0400 Organization: News & Observer Public Access Lines: 19 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: parsifal.nando.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, All of the .ini files I find for MS-DOS Kermit seem to be for version 3.11 or later. Even the examples in the book, MS-DOS Kermit all seem to be for version 3.11 or later. I am running Rainbow MS-DOS version 3.10 under dos 3.10b and I would really like the ability to dial, and redial. If anyone could point me towards an older version of an .ini file or a newer version of Kermit for the Dec Rainbow I would be all set. Thanks, Bruce bkurson@nando.net b.kurson@genie.geis.com bkurson@mail.zd.ziff.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 22:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT V3.10 .ini file? Date: 27 Apr 1995 22:38:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3np6dt$ngq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Zotar wrote: >All of the .ini files I find for MS-DOS Kermit seem to be for version >3.11 or later. Even the examples in the book, MS-DOS Kermit all seem to >be for version 3.11 or later. > >I am running Rainbow MS-DOS version 3.10 under dos 3.10b and I would >really like the ability to dial, and redial. >If anyone could point me towards an older version of an .ini file or a >newer version of Kermit for the Dec Rainbow I would be all set. > Nobody has upgraded the Rainbow version beyond 3.10. The pre-version 3.11 dialing mechanism was rather primitive, requiring you to hardcode your dialing directory into the LOOKUP macro that was defined in MSKERMIT.INI. You can find the version 3.10 MSKERMIT.INI, along with the accompanying HAYES.SCR, in the kermit/old directory on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 06:35:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:44:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Message-Id: <1995Apr27.123541.48939@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 12:35:40 MDT References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to > Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, > the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From > that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > > Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use > C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use > C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this > paragraph? > > > A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to > dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 > Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options > should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before > reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? > Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit ----------- No need to be careful in the explanation: it's obvious in practice(tm). Initially your remote terminal server agent is NOT speaking SLIP, and it requires human chatter to login etc. Use Kermit for that task. Then you start SLIP on it and escape back to the local PC to start SLIP locally. After SLIP is running happily locally and remotely start Kermit to run over the internal TCP/IP stack. The difference in approach is because part of the time SLIP is not running. And during that part Kermit provides the link between your fingers and the remote machinery. If you have a variation of this then just "let your fingers do the walking" the first time and then turn that much into a script. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 07:32:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:32:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:32:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit MS-DOS Library... Date: 28 Apr 1995 07:32:44 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a I/O library for MS-DOS available, which has sliding windows implemented ? If yes, where is it accessable ? Is it for free ? Any hints are very apreceated. Thanks in advance Hans Rehfeld -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 18:21:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:22:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:22:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MS-DOS Library... Date: 28 Apr 1995 18:21:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nrbo6$73r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Is there a I/O library for MS-DOS available, which has sliding >windows implemented? If yes, where is it accessable? Is it for >free ? > If there is one, it is not from Columbia University, and it is probably not for free. For DOS, we would prefer that you use MS-DOS Kermit itself as an external protocol, which is quite simple and convenient in version 3.14 (the latest version). If this is to be included in a commercial or shareware application, you'll have to license it, just as you would have to license any commercial "comm library". The advantage of doing it this way is that you get the best Kermit implementation and at the same time you help to support the Kermit effort. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 05:58:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:44:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: lennart@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as an DLL Date: 28 Apr 1995 05:58:58 GMT Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: lennart@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip137-1.pt.uk.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm developing an application that is doing som file transfer in the background and I'm today using the Kermit protocol for this. The 'problem' is that I would like to use Kermit as ordinary function calls using DLL's instead of starting it as an .exe file! Is this possible??? From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 20:23:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:23:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:23:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit as an DLL Date: 28 Apr 1995 20:23:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nrisf$j9q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, wrote: :I'm developing an application that is doing som file transfer in the :background and I'm today using the Kermit protocol for this. : :The 'problem' is that I would like to use Kermit as ordinary function calls :using DLL's instead of starting it as an .exe file! : There is no Kermit DLL. Although you might prefer to have a DLL, those of us who do the work would prefer it if you used the tools at hand, such as KERLITE.EXE, with the normal licensing terms if you are creating a commercial product or otherwise furnishing software to customers or clients, etc, for commercial gain and/or advantage. This way, you get the best Kermit implementation available, and we get some income to pay for our continued existence and further development. Send email to kermit@columbia.edu to discuss this further. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 20:38:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:34:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:34:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!gatech!purdue!yuma!FitzG.LIBRARY.ColoState.EDU!Dfitzgerald From: Dfitzgerald@vines.colostate.edu (Daniel C. FitzGerald) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:38:46 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: fitzg.library.colostate.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and we don't want users leaving terminal mode. Thanks. ========================================================================= Dan FitzGerald | Network Support - A science of vague DFitzGerald@LTS@Libraries| assumptions, based on debatable figures, danno@holly.colostate.edu| taken from inconclusive experiments, performed Phone: (303) 491-7102 | with instruments of problematical accuracy | by persons of doubtful reliability and | questionable mentality. ========================================================================= Dan FitzGerald From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 08:15:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 03:29:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 03:29:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:15:07 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 47 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2636 comp.infosystems.www.users:25722 alt.hypertext:9067 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 packet driver. I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? If there _were_ a Lynx for MS-DOS, complete with vi keys and local HTML file viewing, I'd use it to solve a problem that has long plagued me at work: how to provide employees with process documentation that combines the power of hypertext with the ready accessiblity of our existing UNIX-like (MKS Toolkit, actually) man pages. Imagine this: J. Random Hacker is editing a simple awk script using vi. Because it's three o'clock in the morning, she forgets the order of parameters to the sub() function, so she types :!man awk/sub( and she's immediately staring at the answer to her question without having abandoned her editing session or having reached beyond the bang (!) key. Now imagine that, with a tap of the vi l (el) key, she's linked to the regexp(3) man page because, instead of the traditional man utility, she's actually running the Lynx/Kermit duo! And her man pages are HTML documents! If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! Any and all comments will be sincerely appreciated. TIA. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 23:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:14:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:14:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl!NOORDAM From: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 28 Apr 1995 23:24:44 GMT Organization: CRI, Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,<3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> Reply-To: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: rulcri.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit >: terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I >: say) perfectly. > >Please Frank (and Joe D.) feel free to use the word "perfectly". It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, things get even worse). Frank, Joe, Mike, thanks for your help. Kermit certainly makes me smile now! Stephan From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 22:44:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:45:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:45:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!clpd-newsserver!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Date: 28 Apr 1995 22:44:40 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2638 comp.infosystems.www.users:25727 alt.hypertext:9071 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com says... > >From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >packet driver. Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can be gotten. > I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). > >Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be well enough organized to allow this. >browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems to people. >If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! I'm a soloist, myself. >sincerely appreciated. TIA. No need for profanity here. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 06:47:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:04:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!decwrl!ablecom!ns2.MainStreet.Net!ftp.netgate.net!news From: awu@ftp.netgate.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 29 Apr 1995 06:47:32 GMT Organization: NetGate Communicaitons Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3nsne4$c4v@ftp.netgate.net> References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: awu@ftp.netgate.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ng23.netgate.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >The OS/2 IAK provides an implementation of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for DOS within >OS/2 DOS Sessions. However, MS-DOS Kermit does not work in that environment. > >You can however use MS-DOS Kermit in conjunction with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. >I have installed SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS (fossil), and VMODEM (com3). >Then I tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT FOSSIL 3, and dial away to my >host. It seems to be the only solution so far. //--------------------------------------------------------------------// // Andrew Wu // // San Jose, CA, USA // // Internet: awu@scuacc.scu.edu // // awu@netgate.net // //--------------------------------------------------------------------// From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 21:18:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:11:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:11:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!davisj From: davisj@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jared Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for the Commodore 64 Date: 28 Apr 1995 21:18:43 GMT Organization: UB Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-User: davisj Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have tried to download Kermit from ftp kermit.columbia.edu. There are numerous files for the C64. I tried to figure out which one(s) I needed but couldn't. Can somebody please help! Email me if you can. I greatly appreciate it... Thanks JAred From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 14:41:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:43:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:43:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 29 Apr 1995 14:41:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ntj6n$d57@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Daniel C. FitzGerald wrote: >Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or >DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and >we don't want users leaving terminal mode. > It might be possible to cook up a custom version of MS-DOS Kermit for you, but with sufficient deviousness and wile, you should be able to find a way to accomplish the same thing with the current version (which is, by the way, 3.14). Your script for invoking Kermit would simply include a CONNECT command on the DOS command line, but no STAY command, e.g. kermit set this, set that, connect If the user attempts to escape back, they exit from the program. At that point your upper level script can do whatever it wants -- restart Kermit, give a message or a menu, etc. How to prevent them from escaping to DOS? Allocate so many rollback screens that memory will be filled up and there won't be any room for the inferior command processor. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 14:47:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:47:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:47:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for the Commodore 64 Date: 29 Apr 1995 14:47:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ntjha$dl1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu>, Jared Davis wrote: >I have tried to download Kermit from ftp kermit.columbia.edu. >There are numerous files for the C64. I tried to figure out >which one(s) I needed but couldn't. Can somebody please help! >Email me if you can. I greatly appreciate it... > To get started, read the c64aaa.hlp file. Here's a copy: COMMODORE-64 KERMIT The C64*.* files are for the Commodore 64 and 128. They are in three groups: 1. C644*.* -- This is an old version written in the Forth language, reportedly little-used. 2. C64KER.* -- This is the primary Commodore 64/128 version, for standard configurations. To get started, read the c64ker.aaa file. 3. C64SLK.* -- This version is identical to C64KER.*, but for Commodores with the standard serial interface replaced by SwiftLink-232 interface In addition, C64BOOT.* is provided as a "bootstrapping" method to load the C64KER or C64SLK program onto your Commodore 64 or 128. C64BOOT.BAS is a BASIC program that you run on the Commodore, C64BOOT.C is the other end, which you can run on a UNIX computer or, hopefully, any other kind of (ASCII-based) computer that has a C compiler. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 13:58:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:02:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:02:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 29 Apr 1995 09:58:20 -0400 Organization: Iguana Extract Information Systems Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ntgls$6me@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From somewhere in cyberspace, Dfitzgerald@vines.colostate.edu (Daniel C. FitzGerald) said: >Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or >DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and >we don't want users leaving terminal mode. SET ROLLBACK 8000 will, as a side-effect, prevent any subprograms from running via the RUN or PUSH commands, presumably because it causes all of your available low memory to be allocated to the rollback buffer. -- Ed Ravin | Theater is life, | eravin@panix.com | Film is art, | The meek are +1-212-678-5545 | Television is furniture. | getting ready. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 12:48:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:11:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:11:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!genmagic!rahul.net!a2i!news.clark.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: alan@clark.net (Alan McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting modem speed Date: 28 Apr 1995 08:48:02 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3nqo62$r61@clark.net> References: <3nmpig$e52@clark.net> <3no4hg$kbb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My face is covered with egg! :-( I've found the passage in the FAQ.TXT, and -- perhaps worse -- I found the reference in "Using C-Kermit", which has long occupied a place of honor on my bookshelf. Thanks for reply, and best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell The "wisdom" of today judges governmental Pixel Analysis organizations only by their failures and (alan@clark.net) private organizations only by their successes. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 05:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:51:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:51:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 29 Apr 1995 00:59:53 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3nskkp$2da@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >No this is not the reason for the lack of contributions. The lack of >contributions is caused by a lack of time. Nowadays, very few people >who are expert programmers are willing/able to donate the thousands >of programming hours necessary to implement a good user interface on >MS Windows, OS/2 PM, X Motif, .... Yes, this is unfortunate. However, most of the places I use kermit I would prefer *no* user interface beyond a way to debug the scripts. Mostly I want a baling wire/chewing gum approach to getting files moved around automatically when the other end isn't sensible enough to have uucp, and kermit's ability to chat over different interfaces with the same script can save a lot of trouble. However, the available interface is increasingly winsock-only. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 15:38:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:39:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:39:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!usenet From: davis@space.mit.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 PL 3 crash Date: 30 Apr 1995 15:38:51 GMT Organization: Center for Space Research Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: davis@space.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: wiwaxia.mit.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.3.2.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, It seems that MS-Kermit 3.14 Patch Level 3 will crash upon startup if there is less than 270K free memory. Has this been noticed before? I would rather have it abort with an insufficient memory error. One way to verify this is to run Kermit, push to DOS, then using MEM to monitor free memory, keep spawning new command.coms until the memory drops below about 270K. Then run a new kermit. The system is a 486 DX2 running DOS 6.22 with no TSRs loaded. --John From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 16:00:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:00:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:00:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 00:42:41 MEZ Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) I used cslipper. Any idea ? Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 08:59:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 17:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 17:04:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 PL 3 crash Message-Id: <1995Apr30.145923.49249@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Apr 95 14:59:23 MDT References: <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, davis@space.mit.edu writes: > Hi, > > It seems that MS-Kermit 3.14 Patch Level 3 will crash upon startup if > there is less than 270K free memory. Has this been noticed before? I would > rather have it abort with an insufficient memory error. > > One way to verify this is to run Kermit, push to DOS, then using MEM to > monitor free memory, keep spawning new command.coms until the memory drops > below about 270K. Then run a new kermit. > > The system is a 486 DX2 running DOS 6.22 with no TSRs loaded. ------------ MSK does complain if not enough memory is available to complete the startup process. I think the situation maybe that DOS itself is locking up during the attempted load. The reason I suggest this is I tried the experiment twice, once with full networking going and again without. The full networking case yielded a dead machine, interrupts off, no keyboard lights, etc. Kermit itself does not do such things, and that leaves DOS. The second experiment was before networking and Kermit #2 complained about insufficient memory and refused to load; all was well otherwise. This too suggests that in the first experiment Kermit.exe itself did not get fully loaded and did not have a chance to execute any instructions. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 10:26:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 18:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 18:45:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Apr 95 16:26:21 MDT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: > Did anybody get this combination to work? > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this > driver, at least under Win311. > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. > Can't figure out what went wrong. > > Jack > > Jack Huang > jch25@columbia.edu > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ ----------- Jack, As promised, I brought up the combination of ndis3pkt.386, NDIS 3 protected mode, Win95. Doesn't work at all here. Ndis3pkt says it cannot register for protocol 00c004001 or some such number and that's the end of it. Variations on system.ini info for it did not help. I suggest you talk with the program's author, Dan Lanciani, about the matter. I have run MSK v3.14 in a Win95 window using 16-bit ODI material plus odipkt and winpkt. Readers are cautioned that working or not working depends on the build number of Win95 as much as anything else. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 1 00:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:38:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:38:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail From: eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Help] Reverse/Underline Colours Date: 30 Apr 1995 18:42:40 -0600 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I got Kermit 3.13 for DOS quite some time ago, and got it setup to work with my account very nicely. There's just one thing that could be improved in my setup. I know how to change the foreground and background colours (along with intensity and whatever else), but is there a way to change the colours for reverse or underline or whatever you call it? Right now, I believe it's white on brown, and brown happens not to be one of my favourite colours. :) Does anyone know how to change this? Thanx for any assistance. -- KAME o /~~\_____________ .....................Eric Liu HAME /== ( .........eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca HA!! /> \__/~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eliu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 05:09:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 02:34:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 02:34:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 05:09:42 GMT References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <3no582$lhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 27 Apr 1995 13:12:34 GMT, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, > Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > >Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal > >escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The > >TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except > >for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am > >using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the > >foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > > > I'm sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. My VT220 manual > does not say a word about fore/background processing. This is just a stab in the dark, but perhaps what Paul Taylor is referring to when he speaks of the VT220's "foreground and background processing" and "pop up windows" capabilities is actually the multiple session and windows capabilities of the DEC VT420 terminal. The VT420 allows one to run two sessions at the same time, to toggle between them with the F4 (Session) key, and even to cut and paste text between sessions (windows). To do this, the terminal must be connected to the host or terminal server using two cables, or to a terminal server that supports multiple sessions, or to a host running Digital Equipment Corporation's Session Support Utility (SSU). If you absolutely, positively can't have a personal computer and a terminal emulator (Kermit!) on your desktop, then a VT420 is the model terminal you beg for. What Mr. Taylor should know is that, whereas the VT420 allows only two simultaneous sessions, Kermit supports six simultaneous TCP/IP connections, even to the same host. (At least MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does. I don't know about the OS/2 version.) One can easily toggle between these multiple sessions by pressing Alt-n (\KnextSession). (Again, I only _know_ this is true for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Check the documentation for your flavor of Kermit.) What _is_ missing from Kermit is the capability to easily cut and paste text between "windows" (sessions). For the model of how this feature, if implemented in Kermit, might ideally work, sit at a DEC VT420 terminal and use the F1 (Copy), Select, Remove, and Insert keys to cut and paste raw ASCII text. (VT420 terminals are designed for those who can type. Don't bother looking for a mouse port.) [C:\] MS-Kermit>set opinion-mode on, connect I, Jim, will continue to use MS-DOS Kermit and support its development through the purchase of supporting documentation even if the capability to cut and paste text within and between sessions is never added to the program. But I shall be very pleased if it is. (If a VT420 can do it without Microsoft Windows, so can Kermit! ;-) [C:\] MS-Kermit>set opinion-mode off, connect --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 12:33:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 08:33:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 08:33:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Date: 1 May 1995 12:33:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3o2kff$ok3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, wrote: >Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all >the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. >Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) >I used cslipper. Any idea ? > If cslipper is a SLIP-class (6) or Ethernet-class (1) packet driver, it should work. Beyond that, I can only suggest that you (a) check your Kermit version, make sure it is 3.14; (b) read the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC; (c) if you still have trouble, send email to kermit@columbia.edu with the specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 14:50:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 10:53:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 10:53:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP.. Dial Access using C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 1 May 1995 14:50:15 GMT Organization: McHugh Freeman Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3o2sf7$f8r@homer.alpha.net> References: <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm re-wording and re-posting again with the hope of getting some help/hint this time... I know it's kinda lengthy but please bear with me.. |> - My remote dial-in (from and to a VAX)work's fine from the C-kermit 5A(190) |> prompt (using a microcom modem through an LTA#### line) as follows: |> |> CK>set line LTA#### |> CK>c |> ath |> OK |> atdt ######## |> Enter term id:* |> Enter login id:**** (Server) |> Enter Password:*****#### |> Login:***_*** (Remote host (VAX)) |> Password:****#### |> HOST_Prmpt> |> Is there a way I can automate it using a 'DEF' or 'ACCESS'. I've tried both without any luck as follows: |> C-Kermit MFA>access LMSCU1 |> 97961087 not in LMS$DISK:[LMS.TEST.MANAGER]CKERMIT.KDD;2 |> Number: 97961087 |> Device: _MCCOY$LTA5401:, modem-dialer: microcom, speed: 9600 |> Dial timeout: 200 seconds |> To cancel: type Ctrl-C. |> Hangup OK |> Initializing: 08:55:11... |> DIAL Failure: 08:55:14: Timed out while trying to initialize modem. |> Will redial in 1 minute: please wait... |> Redialing: try number 2... |> ....... |> |> - I've tried setting the dial-(dial-command, init-string, prefix, directory |> timeout), set delay ### without any luck so far.. |> |> My entry in ckermit.ksd is: |> LMSCU1 vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 97961087 |> My entry in ckermit.kdd is: |> lmscu 97961087 9600 none LMSCU 9600 baud line |> |> - Also, since I'm logging in thru' a server should I modify VMSLOGIN to support |> 2 logins and 2 passwords ? |> |> Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanx in advance once again, anil -- ====================================================================== | Anil K. Raman | Office Address: | Home address: | | Software Engineer | 20975 Swenson Drive | 2937, N.Newhall Ave | | raman@mfa.com | Suite 400 | Milwaukee, WI-53211 | | Ph.(O) 414-798-8606 | Waukesha, WI 53186 | Ph.(H) 414-332-4710 | | Extension 278 | | | ====================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 13:59:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 11:14:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 11:14:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!awhite From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Okay to Upload C-Kermit to Local BBS? Date: 1 May 1995 13:59:16 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu Keywords: C-Kermit, Local BBS X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Last week I downloaded C-kermit for OS/2, the new release. I was wondering if it is okay to upload this new C-kermit to a local bulletin board system, or is this something which Columbia University forbids, or at least discourages. A 2nd question concerns the local bulletin board system. The bulletin board software is Maximus version 2.02, operating under OS/2. The system does not at this time provide a Kermit, external file transfer protocol. Can this C-kermit, version 191, be used in this way? What must the operator of the BBS do to use it in this way, if it is possible?  -- Anne L. White "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian By Training" 402-479-4316 "Resource Manager By Choice" 402-479-3989 (Fax) NE DEPT ROADS Communications Div NE HWY 2 PO94759 Lincoln NE 68509 From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 03:12:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 12:27:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 12:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Help] Reverse/Underline Colours Message-Id: <1995May1.091201.49301@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 May 95 09:12:01 MDT References: <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca>, eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) writes: > > Hi! I got Kermit 3.13 for DOS quite some time ago, and got it > setup to work with my account very nicely. There's just one > thing that could be improved in my setup. I know how to change > the foreground and background colours (along with intensity and > whatever else), but is there a way to change the colours for > reverse or underline or whatever you call it? Right now, I > believe it's white on brown, and brown happens not to be one of > my favourite colours. :) Does anyone know how to change this? ------------- You obtain MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 which provides the appropriate SET TERMINAL UNDERSCORE command. As always, before asking for a new feature it's best to acquire the current release and see if it's present already. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 18:32:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 14:32:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 14:32:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Okay to Upload C-Kermit to Local BBS? Date: 1 May 1995 18:32:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: C-Kermit, Local BBS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu>, anne white wrote: > Last week I downloaded C-kermit for OS/2, the new release. I was > wondering if it is okay to upload this new C-kermit to a local > bulletin board system, or is this something which Columbia > University forbids, or at least discourages. > This is a tough one. Without going through all the history and arguments, which have been rehashed a thousand times in this and other fora, our preference is that people get it straight from Columbia for various reasons, including: . "Mirrored" versions quickly become obsolete. . Anything on a BBS is perceived as "free". . There is no quality control -- files can be removed, renamed, altered, viruses injected, etc. On the other hand, we would be very pleased if Kermit software could be distributed on BBS's, mirror ftp sites, CompuServe, AOL, ..., even on CD-ROMs if the above problems did not occur AND there were some chance that the people who wind up getting the software this way would "do the right thing" and purchase the appropriate manuals from us. In our experience, this almost never happens, mostly because the proprietors of these services tend to have no interest in getting our message across for us or of supporting our work in any way. Instead, they want to attract the maximum number of users with loads of "free software". In almost every case, we lose income and our workload goes up because all of these documentationless users want help, and they contact us because our name is on the software. And to add insult to injury, in many cases (CompuServe, AOL, CD-ROMs), the service gets money for distributing our software, while depriving us of income and adding to our workload. So, yes, we "discourage" uploading of Kermit software to BBS's, commercial information services, and FTP sites from which CD-ROMs are made. > A 2nd question concerns the local bulletin board system. The > bulletin board software is Maximus version 2.02, operating under > OS/2. The system does not at this time provide a Kermit, > external file transfer protocol. Can this C-kermit, version 191, > be used in this way? What must the operator of the BBS do to use > it in this way, if it is possible? > There should be no impediment to installing C-Kermit as an external protocol on an OS/2 BBS, in theory, but the deciding factor is how the BBS software expects to interface to external protocols, and how to share the communication device between two processes. C-Kermit offers various methods, described in the accompanying CKERMIT.INF file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 18:16:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 18:16:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 18:16:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Date: 1 May 95 17:05:16 ETST References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the > Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, > seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, > things get even worse). > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it fixed the problem. Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me would really, really rather not know at all. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 19:59:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 19:59:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 19:59:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit 191 and character set problem Message-Id: <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel> Date: 1 May 95 17:21:04 ETST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've noticed a tendency for C-Kermit for OS/2 191 (final release) to have special character problems after you exit from any utility based on TPU (edit/tpu, DEC Notes, etc.). My character set is latin-1. Before entering Notes, for example, if I press the compose character key (alt-c) and then enter -: I get the w division sign without any problem. After I enter Notes and exit, the above sequence gives me a / instead of the line with two dots above and below. Other characters give me a ? instead of the proper character. For instance, I get a ? instead of the Icelandic eth character. Not that I use that, in all honesty, it was just an example. If I reset my terminal (alt-=) the problem goes away. Before entering Notes or TPU, my character set is: Terminal character-sets: Local: cp850 Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) G1: latin1-iso (96 chars) GR->G2: latin1-iso (96 chars) G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) After exiting DEC Notes or TPU, we've got: Terminal character-sets: Local: cp850 Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) G1: dec-special (96 chars) GR->G2: dec-multinational (96 chars) G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) I would assume that this change is the root of the problem, since the reset puts it back. I guess my question is whether TPU-based programs don't clean up after themselves, or if C-Kermit should be resetting itself and isn't. This problem does not occur in MS-Kermit 3.14, but for all I know, MS-Kermit may not implement host-directed character set changes the same way. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 23:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:57:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:57:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 1 May 1995 16:10:10 -0700 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cello.gina.calstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it might be nice to have such an option.) Comments? Thanks, -- --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 21:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:59:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:59:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control Subject: cmsg cancel <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Control: cancel <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Date: 1 May 1995 21:13:44 GMT Organization: Alpha.net -- Milwaukee, WI Lines: 0 Message-Id: <3o3iu8$jv6@homer.alpha.net> References: <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue May 2 14:44:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:44:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:44:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 191 and character set problem Date: 2 May 1995 14:44:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 95 Message-Id: <3o5gg4$88k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2660 comp.os.os2.apps:80552 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel>, Paul Coen wrote: : I've noticed a tendency for C-Kermit for OS/2 191 (final release) to have : special character problems after you exit from any utility based on TPU : (edit/tpu, DEC Notes, etc.). : : My character set is latin-1. : : Before entering Notes, for example, if I press the compose character key : (alt-c) and then enter -: I get the w division sign without any problem. : : After I enter Notes and exit, the above sequence gives me a / instead of : the line with two dots above and below. Other characters give me a ? : instead of the proper character. For instance, I get a ? instead of : the Icelandic eth character. Not that I use that, in all honesty, : it was just an example. : : If I reset my terminal (alt-=) the problem goes away. : : Before entering Notes or TPU, my character set is: : : Terminal character-sets: : Local: cp850 : Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) : G1: latin1-iso (96 chars) : GR->G2: latin1-iso (96 chars) : G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) : : After exiting DEC Notes or TPU, we've got: : : Terminal character-sets: : Local: cp850 : Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) : G1: dec-special (96 chars) : GR->G2: dec-multinational (96 chars) : G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) : It seems you've answered your own question. The DEC Multinational Character Set (DEC MCS) is similar to, but not identical with, Latin-1. The differences are pretty much as noted -- DEC MCS has "undefined" cells where Latin-1 has Icelandic letters (and a couple others), and MCS has OE/oe "ligature" in place of multiply and divide. : I would assume that this change is the root of the problem, since the : reset puts it back. I guess my question is whether TPU-based programs : don't clean up after themselves, or if C-Kermit should be resetting : itself and isn't. This problem does not occur in MS-Kermit 3.14, but : for all I know, MS-Kermit may not implement host-directed character set : changes the same way. : The session log (that Paul sent under separate cover to illustrate this report) contains the following mysterious control sequences: ESC [ 1 ; 2 ' z ESC [ 1 ; 3 ' { ESC [ 0 ' z I can't find these in the VT220 Programmer Reference Manual or VT220 Programmer Pocket Guide, nor can I find them the VT320 or VT420 manual. However, if the apostrophe (') were changed to dollar-sign ($), they would be VT420 "rectangular area" functions. Prior to VT420, I don't think there were any control sequences whose final characters were "z" or "{". And since the sequences listed above are not valid for the VT420 itself, I can only speculate that either (a) your VMS session was set for an even higher VT level (e.g. 520), (b) TPU is malfunctioning, (c) TPU is using undocumented escape sequences, or (c) there is something wrong with your session log. A further piece of evidence is that your log contains some stray 8-bit ST (String Terminator) C1 controls, which are not terminating any string (such as would be introduced by DCS, APC, etc). In any case, OS/2 C-Kermit is emulating a VT220. A real VT220 does not support the Latin-1 character set, and so there is no way the host application can "save and restore" it. Once it switches your terminal to DEC MCS (as it does, by sending: ESC * < which designates DEC MCS to G2) it has no way of restoring Latin-1. For example, if it sent the proper ISO escape sequence for this, which would be: ESC * A the VT220 would not understand it. One might argue that CSI ! p (DECSTR, Soft Reset), which is supposed to restore the VT200 startup default character sets (G0..G3, GL, GR) should be interpreted by C-Kermit to restore the user's character-set configuration, as specified in the most recent SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET commands, but VAX Notes is not sending this sequence. So in summary, yes, it is not surprising that one needs to push the \Kreset button to get the character sets back to normal after a session like the one that you recorded. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 2 14:50:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:50:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:50:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 2 May 1995 14:50:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: : When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end : (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? : As explained in each one of the Kermit books, both. : In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where : the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is : supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). : Right. Also explained in the books, and in somewhat more detail in our FAQ, question 10: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt : Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the : receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) : have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? : (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does : text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being : controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it : might be nice to have such an option.) : Yes. See the FAQ and the KERMIT.UPD file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and the ckcker.upd file for C-Kermit 5A(190) (and the update notes for IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1). This is a new feature in these new versions, and it works like this: when one of these Kermit is in server mode, then the other Kermit, i.e. the client, controls the transfer mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 00:45:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 22:35:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 22:35:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 3 May 1995 00:45:05 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3o6jmh$cd3@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,<3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu STEPHAN NOORDAM (noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl) wrote: : It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the : Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, : seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, : things get even worse). I think I recall something in the docs for the PCMCIA slot modem that I have that says to turn off the power management in the PC. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 04:21:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 04:21:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 04:21:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Date: Wed, 03 May 95 01:36:24 MEZ Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 57 Message-Id: <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2663 comp.infosystems.www.users:26095 alt.hypertext:9179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) writes: > >In article , monty@indirect.com says... >> >>From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >>connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >>packet driver. My powerful Toshiba T 1000 SE with Floppy (!) and D:\ Drive, should I buy me another 1 Meg ram-drive ?... > >Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can >be gotten. > >> I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >>establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >>elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >>Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >>having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). >> >>Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >>does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >>addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >>TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, > I think thats about Doslynx, UKansas... Has anybody seen the bitter comment on Cello..? Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... >The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as >Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that >Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously >haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of >the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be >well enough organized to allow this. > >>browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Somebody from Minuet annonced to me, that the next Version of this exellent Dos Programm, with nice gopher-client, will have a web-browser. Anyway, Minuet is our thing, never got Kermit via Slip to work. >You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested >interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems >to people. > >>If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! > >I'm a soloist, myself. > >>sincerely appreciated. TIA. > >No need for profanity here. > > Tralala. PS.: kermit.columbia.edu is terribly slow. Any mirrors ????? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 07:49:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!usenet From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Date: 3 May 1995 07:49:37 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3o7cih$3j0@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de wrote: > Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... The following "mono" definition works fine (Lynx, too) with my old laptop. If the external monitor is plugged in, I just enter "color" at the MS-Kermit prompt. define color set term color 0 34 47, - set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. define mono set term color 20 32 40 ; works with LCD display mono -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 11:18:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 10:03:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 10:03:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais3.cais.com!agm From: agm@cais3.cais.com (Adam Guasch-Melendez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Date: 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cais3.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2665 comp.infosystems.www.users:26123 alt.hypertext:9183 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: -- snip, snip -- : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. I can't remember where I picked it up, but here are two places to look: 1) Yahoo (of course) 2) University of Kansas home page (they created Lynx) Here's *my* wish - Lynx for Windoze. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 16:04:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 12:04:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 12:04:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!locarno.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@locarno.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Date: 3 May 1995 16:04:07 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3o89hn$lvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: locarno.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2666 comp.infosystems.www.users:26133 alt.hypertext:9185 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Adam Guasch-Melendez says: |Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing |my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). The original poster mentioned it (the "TurboVision pretender"). I agree with him in that it is an abysmally bad program; a straight Lynx port to DOS would've worked _far_ better. -- Yeechang Lee | http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ | Nevada Las Vegas Mission'92-'94 From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 22:04:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:11:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mskermit 3.14 Date: 3 May 1995 18:04:46 -0400 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: martha.utcc.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am thinking of upgrading from 3.13 to 3.14 for DOS. I tried at kermit.columbia.edu but I can't decide which file I need to download. Also, is 3.14 still in beta? Thank you much. --- rsk 05.03.95 -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai "Think imaginary!" -- Stephen Hawking rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~rkutai +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 01:47:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:44:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:44:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 01:47:07 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: : > Hi, : > : > Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a : > DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit : > for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize : > the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. : ----------- : MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means : it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the : resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK : should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. : It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, : Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs : (or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into : the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems : represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only : to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. : Joe D. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 02:49:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 03:30:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 03:30:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!paladin.american.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 02:49:20 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu> References: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, >Larry Powell wrote: >: When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end >: (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? >: >As explained in each one of the Kermit books, both. > >: In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where >: the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is >: supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). >: >Right. Also explained in the books, and in somewhat more detail in our >FAQ, question 10: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt > >: Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the >: receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) >: have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? >: (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does >: text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being >: controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it >: might be nice to have such an option.) >: >Yes. See the FAQ and the KERMIT.UPD file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and the >ckcker.upd file for C-Kermit 5A(190) (and the update notes for IBM >Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1). This is a new feature in these new versions, and >it works like this: when one of these Kermit is in server mode, then the >other Kermit, i.e. the client, controls the transfer mode. > >- Frank > Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 09:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 05:38:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 05:38:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!thatches.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Stokes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sudden inexplicable failure Date: 4 May 1995 10:14:43 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 19 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: graham@thatches.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: thatches.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Kermit all the time for occasional machine-machine transfers. Suddenly, after upgrading one system from SYS5R4 to 4.2 Kermit has developed an unhealthy attitude. It starts a transfer fine, but invariably enters a retry phase which terminates with the message "Too many NAKs". Every time, even with small files and small packet sizes. I've recompiled it of course, and also tried different physical ports at both ends. Same thing. Every time. Has anybody ever seen this message before (and found a solution) ? Any help appreciated. Regards -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Stokes EMail graham@thatches.demon.co.uk | From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:43:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:43:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:43:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mskermit 3.14 Date: 4 May 1995 12:43:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3oai5f$adr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: : I am thinking of upgrading from 3.13 to 3.14 for DOS. I tried : at kermit.columbia.edu but I can't decide which file I need to : download. : Also, is 3.14 still in beta? : It was released in January. : Raymond Steven Kutai "Think imaginary!" -- Stephen Hawking : rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~rkutai : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Since you are a Web user, just visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ You'll find everything very easily this way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:46:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:46:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:46:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 12:46:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3oaib1$akb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu>, Michael DeCosta III wrote: > Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank > is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. > Try looking up "text" and "binary" in the index. But again, the "whatami" (client/server) business is new, and so you'll also have to consult the update file (or FAQ) about it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:51:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:51:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sudden inexplicable failure Date: 4 May 1995 12:51:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3oaik5$at4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk>, Graham Stokes wrote: >We use Kermit all the time for occasional machine-machine transfers. >Suddenly, after upgrading one system from SYS5R4 to 4.2 Kermit has >developed an unhealthy attitude. It starts a transfer fine, but >invariably enters a retry phase which terminates with the message "Too >many NAKs". Every time, even with small files and small packet sizes. >I've recompiled it of course, and also tried different physical ports >at both ends. Same thing. Every time. > In general, it is always a good idea to recompile your non-vendor- supplied applications (the ones for which you have source code) when installing a new OS release. You can't expect software to keep working when the world changes out from underneath it. If you do, and you are disappointed, then it's the OS vendor's responsibility, not the application's. For Kermit, you might need a different makefile entry. If you had been more specific about your exact platform, I might have been able to be more specific about which makefile entry to use. But it's not hard to locate it yourself. Just read the comments at the top of the makefile. And make sure you have the latest release, which is 5A(190). If you still have problems after doing that, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu with the detailed specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 15:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 09:07:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 09:06:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!monk.austin.cc.tx.us!monk.austin.cc.tx.us!not-for-mail From: tsecrest@monk.austin.cc.tx.us (Tom Secrest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP .. C-Kermit upload Date: 3 May 1995 10:10:50 -0500 Organization: Austin Community College Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3o86dq$a5l@monk.austin.cc.tx.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: monk.austin.cc.tx.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any C-Kermit gurus out there, I need help. I use ProComm Plus for windows v2.11. THE PROBLEM: When I get to the kermit prompt and type "receive" the computer ask that I return to local kermit and issue a send command. Before I can do that, "#N3" appears on the screen and everything seems to lock up. When I try the send command ProComm prints an "abort, file read error" notice on the bottom of the screen. Eventually, the C-kermit prompt returns with the message "ny retries 0". As far as I can tell, the file is formated correctly, and the kermit protocol in ProComm is setup correctly. If you have any suggestions I sure would like to hear from you. Just thread'm here. Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 18:27:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 20:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 20:54:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 18:27:28 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ob6ag$68j@news.ysu.edu> References: <3oaib1$akb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> <3o9f Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu>, >Michael DeCosta III wrote: >> Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank >> is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. >> >Try looking up "text" and "binary" in the index. > >But again, the "whatami" (client/server) business is new, and so you'll >also have to consult the update file (or FAQ) about it. > >- Frank > Thanks Frank, that was where the info I wasn't finding was. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 13:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 22:07:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 22:07:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!ainews!news From: Alasdair MacLean Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:12:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2676 comp.infosystems.www.users:26217 alt.hypertext:9209 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sure Miss Piggy will have something to say about it for starters ! -- -Alasdair [ The opinions expressed are my own and are therefore undeniably correct] [ beyond a shadow of a doubt. ] Alasdair MacLean, University of Edinburgh, Dept. of Artificial Intelligence, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL tel. (+44) 0131 650 4497 fax. 0131-650-6899 email alasdair@aifh.ed.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 14:08:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:05:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:05:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maybe YOU can help me ? Message-Id: <1995May4.200852.49785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 May 95 20:08:52 MDT References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, eilon ginsburg writes: > Hey Frank, > > Seems that you know what you'r talking about, so here is my story > :-) > I'm using Internet to log on into various BBS systems. I do this > using Telnet from FTP. Problem is that when I want to download a > file from one of those BBS - the Telnet application does not > support upload download protocols like Zmodem etc. Is there any > Telnet package that does support file transmissions ? any other > udea ? -------------- You didn't say, and these days one can't be sure, but I will presume you are on a DOS PC. Right? In that case obtain binary file msvibm.zip from directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. On the other hands, if you are using OS/2 then you can use MS-DOS Kermit above but you would probably be happier with native OS/2 Kermit. Look in the c-kermit directory and kermit/bin for those files. Unix flavoring is available with C Kermit for zillions of Unix boxes, see the same place. What these will give you in your situation is Kermit file transfer over Telnet, as well as over serial lines and so forth, plus Telnet with very good terminal emulation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 00:50:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:58:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:58:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Problems with remote cd in server mode X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:50:23 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to automate download to a given directory for my users. I have a TCL script that produces the following `take' file. set delay 1 apc server set command quoting on remote cd c:\rick\junk set command quoting off send autoftp aaaa fin Assuming this script is stored in a file called blotto, I invoke kermit as follows: kermit -C "take, blotto, quit" I'm using C-Kermit-5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 with `apc on', and server `cd/cwd' enabled. The file is automatically downloaded but not to the specified directory. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:22:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:23:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:23:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with remote cd in server mode Date: 5 May 1995 13:22:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3od8ri$ja0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: This should be > > set delay 1 > apc server > set command quoting OFF > remote cd c:\rick\junk > set command quoting ON > send autoftp aaaa > fin > Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 21:11:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:38:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:38:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: wlinden@omnifest.uwm.edu (Wynne Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: download command Date: 4 May 1995 16:11:35 -0500 Organization: Omnifest Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3obfu7$brk@omnifest.uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.70.58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having used comm software before I understand the process of downloading. I am trying out c-kermit on my RS-6000 because of problems I had with a previous software. Anyhow, I can't find anything that tells me how to get to my end/kermit to issue the receive command. Do I type ctrl-something? I know I need to type "receive file" but what do I type to get to the prompt so I can type "receive file"? I tried to down load a file and boy was I embarassed when I realized I didn't know what to do after I received the go ahead from here (omnifest) and I didn't know what to press or type. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 05:48:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 18:35:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 18:35:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Message-Id: <1995May5.114847.49869@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 11:48:47 MDT References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 94 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In article <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>> In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>>>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>>>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>>>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>>>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>>>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>>>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. >> Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit >>server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make >>a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs >>now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are >>powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't >>use unless *really* needed. > > I know all this and I agree that my client may not take the ideal > approach to attempting to recover the situation. This is not the issue > here, what I want to know is why C-Kermit is ignoring the GF packet in > the first place. > >> C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as >>your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. > > No it does not. Look again. > >> Your E packet also shows. > > And like I said this was sent to force a reset *after* the server failed > to respond to the GF packet. After this reset the next GF packet worked. > >> Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. > > What happened to the first GF packet? Not the one I sent after > resetting the server. > >>>>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (long data packet truncated). >>>> >>>>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>>>r-00-01-% GD S >>>>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>>>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>>>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>>>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>>>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>>>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>>>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>>>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>>>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>>>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>>>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>>>r-05-09-$%Y"B > > This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is > reproducable, it's not a comms problem). > >>>>r-00-19-# N3 >>>>#-00-19- > > What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! Well, it means two things. First, the obvious one is a NAK was received and C Kermit declared it to be an echo of what it sent. This makes more sense as we look at the receive packet sequence numbers, the second pair of digits in the debug log. There is a gap of about ten of them above and that suggests C Kermit went back to being a quiet server and sent NAKs out now and then. The log picks up one echo and CK ignores it. Could your program be sending the NAK by any chance? Taken together with your earlier comments on flow control problems and extra padding etc (see the MS-DOS Kermit log for details) it does appear that the wire part of the circuit is not behaving well. Given that, CK may never have heard your first GF packet or if it did then maybe the packet was mangled to be a non-packet and hence not logged by CK. MSK logs everything, rational or not, as we have noticed. Beyond this I think Frank da Cruz needs to plug in his crystal ball and beam it in this direction. Joe D. > OK my client is desparate now so it sends an E and I packet to reset > the server. > >>>>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>>>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX > > OK the server is listening again so let's try the GF command. > >>>>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>>>s-00-31-# Y> > > This time the GF packet worked. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 18:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 21:44:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 21:44:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!news.zynet.co.uk!news From: imclark@westexe.zynet.co.uk (Ian M Clark) Subject: Please Help - Kermit closing under Windows X-Nntp-Posting-Host: westexe.zynet.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: news@zynet.net (Zynet News Admin) Organization: Zynet Ltd X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 18:52:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a 486 PC (Elonex 450/I) which runs Kermit 3.14 as a DOS window under Windows 3.1. When the user runs Kermit, it will occasionally close the window as soon as a key is pressed. The Kermit session is programmed to 'Connect' immediately via the MSKERMIT.INI. The F9 has been programmed to 'exit' the session when pressed and close the window. This PC is the only one to misbehave from a batch of five identically configured. Any ideas very welcome, thanks in advance. ---------------- Ian M Clark - Tiverton, England -------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 08:52:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:02:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:02:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 04 May 1995 08:52:28 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 104 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk's message of 21 Apr 1995 16:12:36 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Don't you just hate people who follow-up there own articles just to keep them alive? :-) Well I'm sorry but I feel that since may posting was one of the few on comp.protocols.kermit.misc that actually was a question about the Kermit *protocol* it should not be allowed to die without a second chance. Maybe it didn't get out, I just noticed that my mad news software had given it a "Distribution: local" In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >I suspect that C-Kermit 5A(190) server may require "I" packets where >the protocol says they are optional. > >I have my own software implementing Kermit protocols to allow a host >application (written in M) to access the terminal's filesystem. > >This is what is does to read the directory > * Issue an APC command "SERVER" > * Initialise exchange parameters > * Issue a Kermit generic directory command > * Receive the reply > * Issue a Kermit generic finish command > >When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. > >Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (lond data packet truncated). > >r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >r-00-01-% GD S >s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >r-01-00-$!Y"> >s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >r-02-00-$"Y"? >s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >r-03-08-$#Y"@ >s-04-08-$$Z"B >r-04-09-$$Y"A >s-05-09-$%B"+ >r-05-09-$%Y"B >r-00-19-# N3 >#-00-19- >r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >r-00-31-$ GF4 >s-00-31-# Y> > >Here is MS-KERMIT's packet.log under similar circumstances (please >ignore the retrys caused by the lame flow contol). > >Rpack: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S#^M >Spack: ^A0 Y~% @-#Y2 N!"\6^M >Rpack: ^A% GD S^M >Spack: ^A0 S~( @-#Y2~N?"\-^M >Rpack: ^A0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S(^M >Spack: ^A(!Xdir ( ^M >Rpack: ^A$!Y">^M >Spack: ^AG"A1#588!!1#119950421 17:06:18."U8""B8=O^M >Rpack: ^A$"Y"?^M >Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial > Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG > 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^A$#N"5^M >Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial > Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG > 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >Rpack: ^A$#Y"@^M >Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB > 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^A$$N"6^M >Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB > 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >Rpack: ^A$$Y"A^M >Spack: ^A %D!!. 20/06/94 14:54#M#JPENT > 19/04/95 10:08#M#JPFE (/^M >Rpack: ^A$%Y"B^M >Spack: ^A &D!8F 19/04/95 11:59#M#J 9 fil >e(s) 644,567 bytes#M#J 10,100,736 ::^M >Rpack: ^A$&Y"C^M >Spack: ^A2'Dbytes free#M#J5C^M >Rpack: ^A$'Y"D^M >Spack: ^A$(Z"F^M >Rpack: ^A$(Y"E^M >Spack: ^A$)B"/^M >Rpack: ^A$)Y"F^M >Rpack: ^A$ GF4^M >Spack: ^A, Y Goodbye!Q^M -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 06:08:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:30:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!crash!cwr From: cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 06:08:54 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 45 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2684 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:27847 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale E. Reed (Dale.Reed@ab.com) wrote: : Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: : Dale.Reed@ab.com : Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems : changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears : that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE : (the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save : my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) : D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? : D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? : D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! : D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) : (I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) : I keep a shadow of D:\TCPIP\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD in my Startup folder. : Thus changing configuration doesn't change what gets started. : Here's the weird part: the TCPSTART.CMD file written to BOTH places : (D:\CKERMIT and D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN) has in it: (my emphasis again!) The whole thing is wierd, if you ask me... I haven't seen anything like this at all. There are no tcp/ip related command files in my kermit directory, and I can't see how the install script would produce them. I have a mess of command files in the TCPIP\BIN directory, none of which refer to kermit, and two files, setup.cmd and tcpstart.cmd in TCPIP\DOS\BIN which are identical to those in TCPIP\BIN. TCPSTART.CMD refers to B4TCP.CMD and TCPEXIT.CMD files that are in TCPIP\BIN already. And the TCP/IP notebook settings can be changed without any problem. I have Kermit run from a desktop icon, and it's dlls and so on aren't on the path - perhaps this makes a difference. But I'd be inclined to try editing the command files to take out the ckermit directory before trying anything else. Good luck - Will cwr@crash.cts.com From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:21:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:37:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:37:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 05 May 1995 13:21:49 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 82 Message-Id: References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 4 May 95 17:33:22 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. > Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit >server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make >a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs >now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are >powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't >use unless *really* needed. I know all this and I agree that my client may not take the ideal approach to attempting to recover the situation. This is not the issue here, what I want to know is why C-Kermit is ignoring the GF packet in the first place. > C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as >your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. No it does not. Look again. > Your E packet also shows. And like I said this was sent to force a reset *after* the server failed to respond to the GF packet. After this reset the next GF packet worked. > Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. What happened to the first GF packet? Not the one I sent after resetting the server. >>>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (long data packet truncated). >>> >>>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>>r-00-01-% GD S >>>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>>r-05-09-$%Y"B This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is reproducable, it's not a comms problem). >>>r-00-19-# N3 >>>#-00-19- What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! OK my client is desparate now so it sends an E and I packet to reset the server. >>>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX OK the server is listening again so let's try the GF command. >>>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>>s-00-31-# Y> This time the GF packet worked. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:41:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 23:07:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 23:07:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!noc.tor.hookup.net!news From: gborges@geoware.com (George Borges) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 Kermits on RSX-11M? Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 13:41:14 GMT Organization: GeoWare Software Design Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net> Reply-To: gborges@geoware.com Nntp-Posting-Host: nlsis.dylex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's a question for you... Are there any caveats I should be aware of (or can it even be done) regarding running two Kermit servers on one ancient PDP-11 (running RSX-11M)? Thanks for any help. George. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 22:33:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 08:36:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 08:36:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!news.demon.co.uk!conn From: shaun@conn.demon.co.uk (Shaun Conn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where to get latest kermit for Vax 400? Date: 5 May 1995 23:33:38 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet Lines: 10 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3oe942$qvk@imp.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: newnews.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: conn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please email me if you have any ideas where to get the latest kermit for the vax. TIA. ------------------------------------- Shaun Conn Email : shaun@conn.demon.co.uk Compuserve : 100277,1324 ------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 16:15:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 09:07:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 09:07:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!clp From: clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VJ compression Date: 5 May 1995 16:15:01 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does the program that is included in the MSK .zip which provides packet driver support for SLIP connections handle VJ compression? I tried MSK 3.14 with a SLIP connection for the first time recently and while it seemed that it was sending properly, nothing was ever displayed. My recollection is that this is a symptom of failing to handle compression. The .doc file for the program notes a couple of switches which are not explained. Do any of these turn on compression handling? CLP From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 02:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:47:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pasture.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: turn Kermit into an HTTP proxy server? Date: 6 May 1995 02:41:40 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3oenl4$d1s@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasture.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that Kermit offers a darn nice base of features for building an HTTP proxy on. What I'm thinking of is a way to let people browse the Web with their choice of browsers, but without an IP connection. It could work by starting a Kermit server on the host side, then putting the remote Kermit into an "HTTP proxy" mode. The remote Kermit would then listen on a local port (80) for queries, package those queries, send them to the host Kermit and wait for a response. The host Kermit could use a command line browser to process the query, and then send the result back to the remote Kermit. The remote Kermit would then echo this result to the browser. This requires a server-mode data connection, the ability to send and receive binary files over 7 and 8 bit "dirty" connections, and the ability to run external programs. It seems to me that Kermit has all of this already. So...is it feasible? Is anyone working on such a project? --kyler From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 13:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!clp From: clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Date: 6 May 1995 13:41:40 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3ofual$nbp@sundog.tiac.net> References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > There are other SLIP Packet Drivers around and some do support >VJ compression. > Joe D. Can you recommend a specific driver or a source for drivers? TIA, CLP From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 16:49:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 12:49:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 12:49:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Date: 6 May 1995 16:49:47 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3og9bb$s77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> <3ofual$nbp@sundog.tiac.net> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clifford Pelletier says: |Can you recommend a specific driver or a source for drivers? Try slipper.exe and cslipper.exe, available at ftp://oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/msdos/pktdrvr/slippr15.zip. Better performance and reliability than slip8250. -- Yeechang Lee | http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ | Nevada Las Vegas Mission'92-'94 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 16:15:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 15:52:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 15:52:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:15:54 GMT References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT, Adam Guasch-Melendez (agm@cais3.cais.com) wrote: > Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > -- snip, snip -- > : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or > : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- > : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some > : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for > : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of > : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in > : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it > : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these > : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems > : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web > : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing > my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). DOSLYNX is the "TurboVision pretender" to which I alluded in my post. At least on the surface, DOSLYNX isn't the same program as Lynx at all. The TurboVision ANSI-graphic menu interface of DOSLYNX is wholly unlike the curses-based ASCII Lynx browser. In a nutshell, I like Lynx a lot, but I don't like DOSLYNX at all. > Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run > DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. A mistaken assumption. It hardly works at all. DOSLYNX "hangs" my system almost every time I try to use it. And it's dog slow. And butt-ugly. (Did I mention I don't like DOSLYNX?) I was actually hoping to see a response from Frank and/or Joe to my post. I'm mostly interested in knowing the answer to the question, "Is it possible to port the curses-based Lynx browser to MS-DOS?" I'm not asking them to do it; I'm just posing the question of its feasibility. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 16:32:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 16:13:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 16:13:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!salliemae!uunet!news1.cle.ab.com!usenet From: Dale.Reed@ab.com (Dale E. Reed) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Date: 4 May 1995 16:32:14 GMT Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Highland Heights, Ohio Lines: 63 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Reply-To: Dale@columbia.edu, Reed@ab.com (Dale E. Reed) Nntp-Posting-Host: wd8mln.cle.ab.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2693 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:27971 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: Dale.Reed@ab.com Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE (the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) (I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) I keep a shadow of D:\TCPIP\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD in my Startup folder. Thus changing configuration doesn't change what gets started. Here's the weird part: the TCPSTART.CMD file written to BOTH places (D:\CKERMIT and D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN) has in it: (my emphasis again!) echo CONFIGURING TCP/IP ..... IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\B4TCP.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\B4TCP.CMD !!!! IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\SETUP.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\SETUP.CMD !!!! echo ..... FINISHED CONFIGURING TCP/IP and: echo ..... FINISHED STARTING THE TCP/IP PROCESSES IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\TCPEXIT.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\TCPEXIT.CMD !!!! echo ..... EXITING TCPSTART.CMD ..... 1.) Since B4TCP.CMD, SETUP.CMD and TCPEXIT.CMD are not in the D:\ckermit directory, they never get executed by the TCPSTART.CMD created by TCPIPCFG.EXE. (SETUP.CMD just has useless stuff in it like "ifconfig", "route", etc.!!!!! Nothing important!!!) 2.) How did C-Kermit manage to change the path used by TCPIPCFG.EXE to store its files? There's no environment variable that points to D:\TCPIP\BIN; do I need one? Or is there a .DLL that is found and its path used? Why is the storage path for TCPSTART.CMD changed but not the path for SETUP.CMD? Are there any command-line parameters to TCPIPCFG.EXE to tell it explicitly the path to use for SETUP.CMD, TCPSTART.CMD, etc.? I tried changing the "Working Directory" in the program object, but that didn't change anything. I have it configured manually, but it would be nice to be able to use the Settings Notebook and have the changes work! Regards, Dale Reed WD8MLN This post represents my own views and Allen-Bradley Company not those of Allen-Bradley or its Highland Heights, Ohio parent, Rockwell International. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 21:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 19:20:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 19:20:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.datasrv.co.il!usenet From: eilon ginsburg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maybe YOU can help me ? Date: 4 May 1995 21:15:40 GMT Organization: datasrv.co.il Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: comft.datasrv.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Frank, Seems that you know what you'r talking about, so here is my story :-) I'm using Internet to log on into various BBS systems. I do this using Telnet from FTP. Problem is that when I want to download a file from one of those BBS - the Telnet application does not support upload download protocols like Zmodem etc. Is there any Telnet package that does support file transmissions ? any other udea ? Thanks in advance Eilon Ginsburg From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 10:02:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: <1995May4.160246.49747@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 May 95 16:02:46 MDT References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > On 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT, Adam Guasch-Melendez (agm@cais3.cais.com) wrote: >> Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > >> -- snip, snip -- >> : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >> : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >> : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >> : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for >> : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of >> : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in >> : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it >> : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these >> : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems >> : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web >> : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > >> Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing >> my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). > > DOSLYNX is the "TurboVision pretender" to which I alluded in my post. At > least on the surface, DOSLYNX isn't the same program as Lynx at all. The > TurboVision ANSI-graphic menu interface of DOSLYNX is wholly unlike the > curses-based ASCII Lynx browser. In a nutshell, I like Lynx a lot, but I > don't like DOSLYNX at all. > >> Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run >> DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. > > A mistaken assumption. It hardly works at all. DOSLYNX "hangs" my system > almost every time I try to use it. And it's dog slow. And butt-ugly. (Did > I mention I don't like DOSLYNX?) > > I was actually hoping to see a response from Frank and/or Joe to my post. > I'm mostly interested in knowing the answer to the question, "Is it > possible to port the curses-based Lynx browser to MS-DOS?" I'm not asking > them to do it; I'm just posing the question of its feasibility. -------------- I'll take a stab at answering. Curses for DOS? Surely you gest my good man. I have no idea of what the Lynx packages are like beneath the covers or what they want for low level transport services, and all that jazz. In short, I've never looked at them. From what I can infer you want a vastly different terminal emulation, one which also reads the screen and/or data stream to gather pointers to places and such. That is a serious undertaking and not something I'd recommend to casual programmers; MSK is intricate and tight code, as anyone can see by looking at the sources. We have no intention of isolating the TCP/IP stack from the rest of the program, though that's what I deduce you want to do. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 17:41:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!yagi!uchid12 From: uchid12@ec.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp (Ryuichiro Isobe) Subject: Where is the source of `OS/2 C-kermit5A(191)'?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <1995May3.174119.25721@ecei.tohoku.ac.jp> Lines: 14 Sender: news@ecei.tohoku.ac.jp Nntp-Posting-Host: eiai3 Organization: Departments of Electrical Engineering, Electrical Communications, Electronics Engineering, and Information Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Tohoku University, Sendai, 980 Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:41:19 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where is the source of `OS/2 C-kermit5A(191)'?? I searched at `/pub/kermit/f' in `kermit.columbia.edu'. I found 5A(190),but I couldn't find 5A(191). Please tell me. ----- Sorry for my broken english. :-) Ryuichiro ISOBE uchid12@ec.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp ermit 5A(190) server may require "I" packets where >>the protocol says they are optional. >> >>I have my own software implementing Kermit protocols to allow a host >>application (written in M) to access the terminal's filesystem. >> >>This is what is does to read the directory >> * Issue an APC command "SERVER" >> * Initialise exchange parameters >> * Issue a Kermit generic directory command >> * Receive the reply >> * Issue a Kermit generic finish command >> >>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't use unless *really* needed. C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. Your E packet also shows. Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. Joe D. >>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (lond data packet truncated). >> >>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>r-00-01-% GD S >>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>r-05-09-$%Y"B >>r-00-19-# N3 >>#-00-19- >>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>s-00-31-# Y> >> >>Here is MS-KERMIT's packet.log under similar circumstances (please >>ignore the retrys caused by the lame flow contol). >> >>Rpack: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S#^M >>Spack: ^A0 Y~% @-#Y2 N!"\6^M >>Rpack: ^A% GD S^M >>Spack: ^A0 S~( @-#Y2~N?"\-^M >>Rpack: ^A0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S(^M >>Spack: ^A(!Xdir ( ^M >>Rpack: ^A$!Y">^M >>Spack: ^AG"A1#588!!1#119950421 17:06:18."U8""B8=O^M >>Rpack: ^A$"Y"?^M >>Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial >> Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG >> 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >>:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >>Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^A$#N"5^M >>Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial >> Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG >> 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >>:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >>Rpack: ^A$#Y"@^M >>Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >>IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB >> 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >>Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^A$$N"6^M >>Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >>IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB >> 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >>Rpack: ^A$$Y"A^M >>Spack: ^A %D!!. 20/06/94 14:54#M#JPENT >> 19/04/95 10:08#M#JPFE (/^M >>Rpack: ^A$%Y"B^M >>Spack: ^A &D!8F 19/04/95 11:59#M#J 9 fil >>e(s) 644,567 bytes#M#J 10,100,736 ::^M >>Rpack: ^A$&Y"C^M >>Spack: ^A2'Dbytes free#M#J5C^M >>Rpack: ^A$'Y"D^M >>Spack: ^A$(Z"F^M >>Rpack: ^A$(Y"E^M >>Spack: ^A$)B"/^M >>Rpack: ^A$)Y"F^M >>Rpack: ^A$ GF4^M >>Spack: ^A, Y Goodbye!Q^M From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 11:00:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:55:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:55:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please Help - Kermit closing under Windows Message-Id: <1995May5.170025.49902@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 17:00:25 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , imclark@westexe.zynet.co.uk (Ian M Clark) writes: > We have a 486 PC (Elonex 450/I) which runs Kermit 3.14 as a DOS window > under Windows 3.1. When the user runs Kermit, it will occasionally > close the window as soon as a key is pressed. The Kermit session is ^^^^^-- Any key, or only certain ones or under certain conditions? > programmed to 'Connect' immediately via the MSKERMIT.INI. The F9 has > been programmed to 'exit' the session when pressed and close the > window. This PC is the only one to misbehave from a batch of five > identically configured. Don't forget to groom memory management on the unhappy machine and also check the Kermit.PIF file on it. Otherwise could you provide just a little more blow-by-blow information? I'm having difficulty sorting out the F9 case from other possibilities, and knowing what communications channel is being used, and all those messy details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 10:56:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 00:15:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 00:15:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Message-Id: <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 16:56:03 MDT References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net>, clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) writes: > Does the program that is included in the MSK .zip which provides packet > driver support for SLIP connections handle VJ compression? I tried MSK > 3.14 with a SLIP connection for the first time recently and while it > seemed that it was sending properly, nothing was ever displayed. My > recollection is that this is a symptom of failing to handle compression. > The .doc file for the program notes a couple of switches which are not > explained. Do any of these turn on compression handling? ------------- SLIP8250.COM does not do Van Jacobson IP header compression. The switches are explained in the general Packet Driver installation file and in the build-in "using" blurb of the program. It is also possible that you have Kermit stepping on the Packet Driver by telling Kermit to use COM1 or similar hardware comms port. There are other SLIP Packet Drivers around and some do support VJ compression. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 19:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 05:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02440 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 05:37:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Message-Id: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:16:09 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I noticed a variable named _tid for setting up the terminal mode in login scripts. However, I found no reference to this variable in the ckermit book or in the update docs. Could someone give an example of a script using this code. Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 13:23:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 16:12:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 16:12:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta Telnet Problem Date: 7 May 1995 22:53:31 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3oihkj$40c@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3njjq7$ptt@news4.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vincent Greene (vgreene@amo.com) wrote: : I have been testing C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta for OS/2 and I believe I have : found a bug in the TELNET support. Invariably on my first telnet attempt, : kermit will repeat typed CR-LF's twice. When I log on to my Internet : Service Provider, I can press Return at the Login prompt and it will display : two more login prompts. If I type my username at the login prompt and : hit Return, it will skip the password prompt and display "invalid login." : I can work around the situation by doing a >telnet indirect.com followed : by a second >telnet indirect.com. After the second telnet attempt everything : works great. : Other than this small bug - This is a GREAT program! I had similar problems with C-Kermit 5A(191), and the solution was to to: SET TELNET NEWLINE OFF this was to telnet to esoft.com and use Kermit for file transfers. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 03:19:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 17:03:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 17:03:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <2641@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 7 May 95 03:19:00 GMT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: | > Did anybody get this combination to work? | > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this | > driver, at least under Win311. | > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. If you could try it again and post or send the actual message I might be able to tell you what's going on. | > Can't figure out what went wrong. | > | > Jack | > | > Jack Huang | > jch25@columbia.edu | > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ | ----------- | Jack, | As promised, I brought up the combination of ndis3pkt.386, NDIS 3 | protected mode, Win95. Doesn't work at all here. Ndis3pkt works fine with the last few Windows 95 releases but it may or may not work outside this range. Beware that Microsoft changed the calling convention of the NDIS3 functions (!) from _cdecl to _stdcall a few releases ago. Current versions of ndis3pkt support both formats by examining the version number returned by the ndis3 VxD. I'm a bit skeptical about the reliability of this test, though, because the number changed by very little between WfWG 3.11 and the first Win95 with the different calling convention _that I could examine_. There may well be Win95 versions with the different calling convention that fail my version check. Perhaps some of this will be documented in the Win95 DDK, but Microsoft won't send me a replacement for the copy that never arrived until I wait umpteen days to be absolutely sure it isn't lost in the mail. (Oddly, my April dev platform was also lost.) Gripe: If Microsoft wants to use unreliable shipping mechanisms to save money, they could at least be prepared to send out replacements without a full extra month's wait. I mean, gee, I'd be happy to send back any extra copy if/when it arrives. And if the guaranteed time to ship (or get lost) is 14 days as they say, why is the mandatory wait one month? | Ndis3pkt says it cannot | register for protocol 00c004001 or some such number and that's the end | of it. Actually, there isn't a ``for'' in there. It's saying that it can't register and the error is xxx. If you find the actual number I can look it up and tell you what's wrong. (Or you can; they are in ndis.h.) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 02:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP .. C-Kermit upload Date: 8 May 1995 02:12:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ojum9$d7k@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3o86dq$a5l@monk.austin.cc.tx.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Secrest (tsecrest@monk.austin.cc.tx.us) wrote: : Any C-Kermit gurus out there, I need help. I use ProComm Plus for : windows v2.11. THE PROBLEM: When I get to the kermit prompt and type : "receive" the computer ask that I return to local kermit and issue a I use PCPlus/Win 1.02, and with the "Protocol" from the setup screen set to Kermit, and the User Defaults set to automatically start a download, I have no touble feeding kermit to or from C-Kermit 190 on a UNIX box. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 06:13:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 05:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 05:01:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!crash!cwr From: cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 06:13:31 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 22 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2704 comp.os.cpm:10129 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Decosta III (bq063@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? : I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation : for the Heath Z100 module. I don't think there's any specific manual for this product, tho' the C-kermit manual 'Using C-kermit' (ISBN 55558-108-0) has some stuff. But this is a much later version of Kermit, and has a lot of things not included in the CP/M versions, which (as far as I know) were all written in assembler. The docs with the CP/M kermit I used were around 50-100 pages as I recall. If you don't have them, it might be worth digging in kermit.columbia.edu. Will cwr@crash.cts.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 18:43:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:52:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:52:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reading and Writing Line by Line Date: 7 May 1995 18:43:13 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line individually so I can read line by line. Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 13:55:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:55:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:55:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Date: 8 May 1995 13:55:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: > I noticed a variable named _tid for setting up the terminal mode in login > scripts. However, I found no reference to this variable in the ckermit book > or in the update docs. Could someone give an example of a script using this > code. Thanks, > It's the terminal ID string that the terminal sends in response to a What Are You? query, normally ESC Z, from the host, which can vary according to terminal type. It is not actually used in any of the login scripts, but it can be. It would be particularly handy for logging in to VMS. It is not a built-in variable, but is defined in the CKERMOD.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 20:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:14:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 8 May 1995 20:13:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3olu27$ltm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2707 comp.os.cpm:10133 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Decosta III (bq063@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a: ASCII: cpkerm.doc PostScript: cpkerm.ps - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 19:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:16:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:16:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!rs7.loc.gov!jogr From: jogr@loc.gov (John B. Graves) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Date: 8 May 1995 19:22:34 GMT Organization: Library of Congress Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs8fi0.loc.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. I don't see anything obvious in the manual or INF files, and the CAPS LOCK key seems to be one of the few keys that doesn't have a key number. I need to do this for a TCP session to a Data General where the application requires all uppercase. I suppose my fallback is to find a way to set CAPS LOCK ON within the OS/2 session before starting C-KERMIT. Any ideas? Thanks, John ----------------------- John Graves Library of Congress Washington, DC Internet: jogr@loc.gov Phone: 202-707-5480 From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 20:43:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:43:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:43:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Date: 8 May 1995 20:43:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3olvq1$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov>, John B. Graves wrote: >I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. I don't see >anything obvious in the manual or INF files, and the CAPS LOCK key seems >to be one of the few keys that doesn't have a key number. I need to do >this for a TCP session to a Data General where the application requires >all uppercase. I suppose my fallback is to find a way to set CAPS LOCK >ON within the OS/2 session before starting C-KERMIT. > Caps Lock is a modifier key and does not generate a scan code at the level at which Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit) reads them. You can see this by typing SHOW KEY at the prompt and then pressing Caps Lock. However, the Caps Lock itself should do exactly what you want. Press it once, the Caps Lock light comes on, and all letters entered at the keyboard come out in upper case. If your Caps Lock key does not work this way, then you must have changed it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 23:32:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 19:32:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 19:32:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Date: 8 May 1995 23:32:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3om9m0$a88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2710 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:28243 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com>, Dale E. Reed wrote: >Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: > Dale.Reed@ab.com > >Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems >changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears >that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE >(the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save >my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) > > D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? > D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? > > D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! > > D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) > >(I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) The rest of the note is somewhat unimportant because there is clearly something configured wrong with this machine separate from any CKERMIT install issues. The first two lines should both point to D:\TCPIP\BIN not DOS\BIN. So we start to ask questions: (1) Do you have an ETC variable defined in your CONFIG.SYS file? If yes, to where does it point? (2) If no, was this your first installation of CKERMIT or were you using CKERMIT 5a(189) at somepoint. 189 had a fake dll tcpipdll.dll which TCPIPCFG might be using to determine the TCPIP path if either no ETC variable is definied or it points to an invalid path (like DOS\ETC). Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 02:27:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:31:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:31:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.rain.org!usenet From: towle@ceo.sbceo.k12.ca.us (Tom Towle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 02:27:48 GMT Organization: Santa Barbara County Education Office Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: 204.48.128.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2711 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:284 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available for binary file transfer. Is there anyone that might suggest settings for our users .kermrc files? SET PACKET LENGTH? SET LINE? Remember, Telnet on the host end, asynch on the users end. TIA -- Tom Towle towle@ceo.sbceo.k12.ca.us (805)964-4711 x447 Santa Barbara County Education Office Computer Center From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 19:08:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:32:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!isis.epm.ornl.gov!zhou From: zhou@isis.epm.ornl.gov (Honbo Zhou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 7 May 1995 19:08:04 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.epm.ornl.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to dial, I got: can't initialize modem Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 08:02:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 02:46:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 02:45:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading and Writing Line by Line Message-Id: <1995May7.140204.50030@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 May 95 14:02:04 MDT References: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines > from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. > Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a > hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines > one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with > a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" > "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat > the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I > tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line > individually so I can read line by line. -------- Well, as they say, "don't do that." Instead end the line with something else, say a space after your hyphen. There is no way of turning off line continuation with a trailing hyphen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 05:01:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 03:35:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 03:35:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!classic.iinet.com.au!news From: bobogden@iinet.net.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q].Z-modem hanging Date: 9 May 1995 05:01:04 GMT Organization: TPC Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au> Reply-To: bobogden@iinet.com.au Nntp-Posting-Host: classic46.dy.iinet.net.au X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running the OS/2 version (191) and am finding that Zmodem transfers are not completing correctly. The file arives ok, but then the sessiion doesn't terminate, or at least tlii I give the local session a Ctrl C and then give the remote a string of Ctrl X's. Anyone have any pointers to this? Oh, I'm using the P200 protocol under Warp IAK slip. Thanks /-----------------------------------------------------------/ Bob Ogden Prefered: bobogden@iinet.com.au /---------------- Alternate: bobo@mugin.DIALix.oz.au--/ From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 9 May 1995 12:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3onnue$bdk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Honbo Zhou wrote: >I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment >and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to >dial, I got: can't initialize modem > >Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. > I don't think anybody could possibly tell what the problem is based on the evidence you have given. "Can't initialize modem" means that Kermit sent the modem initialization string (usually ATQ0V1) and did not receive a reply. The possible explanations for this are numerous. Please read pages 50-67 (yes, 17 pages) of the manual, "Using C-Kermit" -- the section on dialing and troubleshooting of dialed connections. Also the ckcker.bwr file, section "Dialing Hints and Tips". If you still have trouble after consulting the documentation, send a problem report to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:50:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:51:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:51:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Re: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 12:50:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3onoff$c4i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2716 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:287 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org>, Tom Towle wrote: : Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a : card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users : come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the : same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines : to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet : connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems : to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available : for binary file transfer. : So what's the problem? : Is there anyone that might suggest settings for our users .kermrc files? : SET PACKET LENGTH? SET LINE? Remember, Telnet on the host end, asynch on : the users end. : Maybe you could be more specific about what you want the settings to accomplish. If everybody is coming *in* to the BSDI system, then obviously you don't want a SET LINE command in your .kermrc file. And you can also make Kermit start up a lot faster by removing all of the local-mode-only items from it -- dialing and services directory setup, etc. This can be done without editing the file by including the -R (uppercase) (= "remote only") command-line option. You can do this with an alias, such as: alias kermit="kermit -R" As far as file transfer goes, you can increase the default packet and window sizes to the maximum levels that seem to be safe for your equipment. Some trial and error will be necessary -- no single collection of settings applies to every situation. If it did, we would use it! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 13:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 09:35:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 09:35:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q].Z-modem hanging Date: 9 May 1995 13:35:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3onr2c$ftf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au>, wrote: >I'm running the OS/2 version (191) and am finding that Zmodem transfers >are not completing correctly. The file arives ok, but then the sessiion >doesn't terminate, or at least tlii I give the local session a Ctrl C and then >give the remote a string of Ctrl X's. Anyone have any pointers to this? >Oh, I'm using the P200 protocol under Warp IAK slip. >Thanks This appears to be a negotiation error between P and sz on the Unix host. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the sources for the DLL. So you will have to take this problem up with the author to whom I have cc'd this note. Sorry. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 03:02:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 12:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 12:20:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!bq063 From: bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael Decosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 8 May 1995 03:02:30 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael Decosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2718 comp.os.cpm:10145 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation for the Heath Z100 module. -- Michael DeCosta III bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 17:33:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 13:43:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 13:43:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 9 May 1995 10:33:13 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3oo90p$15v@pacifier.com> References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2719 comp.os.cpm:10147 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Michael Decosta III wrote: > >Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? > NOne of which I am aware. As Frank da Cruz says, grab kermit/a/cpkerm.doc -- this is about as definitive documentation as exists for CP/M Kermit. > >I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation >for the Heath Z100 module. > CP/M Kermit does not presently support VT-100 emulation. I'm working on it in between beaucoup other projects :-) :-). One problem in setting up a generic VT100-emulator in CP/M Kermit is that the program supports a wide variety of terminals, not all of which have sufficient capabilities to allow good VT-100 emulation. Your terminal *does* have sufficient capabilities but, as I say, CP/M kermit is designed, insofar as the terminal interface is concerned, to be relatively general. To add VT-100 emulation, you'll have to modify at least CPSCOM.ASM, CPSDAT.ASM and CPSTT.ASM and probably other modules. AS I say, I'm looking at the problem. In the meantime, have you tried David Goodenough's comm program QTERM for the CP/M environment? It supports a subset of kermit functionality and has quite good VT-100 emulation insofar as interpretation of received escape sequences is concerned. Files are in oak.oakland.edu in /pub/cpm/qterm. You'll have to use David Goodenough's ZSM assembler and ZPATCH patch utility to assemble and merge the appropriate overlay into QTERM's object code. Also, I've fixed a couple ofminor QTERM bugs; I plan to release some patches ASAP. If you need more help re either CP/M Kermit and/or QTERM, please do not hesitate to E-mail me. I can be reached at the address shown or (among others) at "freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu". Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Pushing 40 is exercise enough! From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 14:53:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 11:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 11:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!ggranger From: ggranger@cybernetics.net (Greg Granger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]Problem with scr width OS2 ckermit 191 Date: 10 May 1995 14:53:06 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: server0.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is this a bug or a feature ;-) ? I'm running OS/2 v2.11 and ckermit v191, under the fullscreen sessions with vt220 emulation the screen (seems) to be only 78 chars wide (by this I mean the first and last colums of the screen are not used). It has some really strange effects when I use facetterm (like shifting the screen left and dropping the first column when I switch sessions). This did not occur under v190. Perhaps, there is a new setting that I have missed ? -- Greg Granger ggranger@cybernetics.com From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 13:42:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:41:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:41:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 Kermits on RSX-11M? Message-Id: <1995May8.094219.875@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 May 95 09:42:19 -0400 References: <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net>, gborges@geoware.com (George Borges) writes: > Here's a question for you... > > Are there any caveats I should be aware of (or can it even be done) > regarding running two Kermit servers on one ancient PDP-11 (running > RSX-11M)? > > Thanks for any help. > > George. > > Being an ex-rsx sysadmin, i *think* i can tell you there will be no sweat. i'd rank them in order of priority, and set one about 5 priorities higher than the other one... that way, there will be less chanch of a resource deadlock. rsx is the best system there is for handling interrupts.. I know! we used one for years ot monitor an ICU. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 20:03:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:03:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:03:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 10 May 1995 20:03:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3or65p$59f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> <1995May5.114847.49869@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: ... : >>>>r-05-09-$%Y"B : > : > This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is : > reproducable, it's not a comms problem). : > : >>>>r-00-19-# N3 : >>>>#-00-19- : > : > What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! : ... And Joe Doupnik writes: : Beyond this I think Frank da Cruz needs to plug in his crystal : ball and beam it in this direction. : Let's take this offline -- I seem to have lost some of the context. E-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 20:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:54:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10093 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:54:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: XIF for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 10 May 1995 20:53:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 107 Message-Id: <3or953$9q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The MS-DOS Kermit script programming language has an IF command that looks like this: IF which executes the if the is true. The C-Kermit language has this too, but also has an "extended IF", or XIF, command: XIF { } [ ELSE { } ] in which the are one or more commands separated (if more than one) by commas, and there is an optional ELSE part to be executed if the is not true. This is handy for grouping commands together to be executed conditionally without resorting to lots of ugly GOTOs. Here is a macro that you can use in MS-DOS Kermit to get the XIF effect. It is *almost* totally compatible with C-Kermit's XIF command, but not quite. The difference is that, when using this macro, you must enclose the in curly braces, whereis in C-Kermit, you must *not* enclose the in curly braces. Left as an exercise to the reader: eliminate this incompatibility :-) ---(cut)--- define XIF - _assign _then\v(cmdlevel) \%2,- if def \%3 if not eq "\%3" "ELSE" end 1 "\%3" should be "ELSE",- if def \%4 _assign _else\v(cmdlevel) \%4,- if \%1 do _then\v(cmdlevel),- if def \%4 if NOT \%1 do _else\v(cmdlevel) ---(cut)--- Aside from the { } business, you should be able to use this macro exactly as you would use C-Kermit's XIF. Here is a script to give it a workout: ---(cut)--- ec Testing XIF... xif { = 1 1 } { echo THEN part works. } xif { = 1 0 } { echo This should not appear } else { echo ELSE part works. } echo Multiple commands in THEN part... xif { = 1 1 } { echo Line 1 of 3 OK, ec Line 2 of 3 OK, ec Line 3 of 3 OK } echo Same thing, with line continuation... xif { = 1 1 } { - echo Line 1 of 3 OK,- echo Line 2 of 3 OK,- echo Line 3 of 3 OK - } echo Multiple commands in THEN and ELSE parts, THEN part true... xif { = 1 1 } { - echo THEN 1 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 2 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 3 of 3 OK - } else { - echo ELSE 1 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 2 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 3 of 3 OK - } echo Multiple commands in THEN and ELSE parts, THEN part false... xif { = 1 0 } { - echo THEN 1 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 2 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 3 of 3 OK - } else { - echo ELSE 1 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 2 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 3 of 3 OK - } echo Testing nested XIFs... xif { = 1 1 } { - xif { = 2 0 } { - echo This should NOT appear - } else { - echo This SHOULD appear - } - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } echo And again... xif { = 1 0 } { - echo This should NOT appear, - xif { = 2 2 } { - echo This should NOT appear - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } - } else { - echo This SHOULD appear, - xif { = 2 2 } { - echo This SHOULD appear - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } - } ---(cut)--- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 00:52:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 20:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 20:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q]Problem with scr width OS2 ckermit 191 Date: 11 May 1995 00:52:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3orn53$qlg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net>, Greg Granger wrote: >Is this a bug or a feature ;-) ? > >I'm running OS/2 v2.11 and ckermit v191, under the fullscreen sessions with >vt220 emulation the screen (seems) to be only 78 chars wide (by this I mean >the first and last colums of the screen are not used). It has some really >strange effects when I use facetterm (like shifting the screen left and >dropping the first column when I switch sessions). This did not occur under >v190. > >Perhaps, there is a new setting that I have missed ? Well, an 80 column screen that only uses 78 cols is pretty strange. This is definitely not the intended behavior and is not the behavior on my system. Can you please create a session log and mail it to me uuencoded? Also, do you get the same effects while using C-Kermit in a window? What does SHOW TERM say for the Height and Width? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 19:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 01:38:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 01:38:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as a server Date: 10 May 1995 19:29:06 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Summary: Keywords: Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using PROCOMM Plus "host" mode to allow me to login to a server and send and receive files. It works well but I'd like to go to kermit. Here's the problem. How do I setup Kermit to act as a server with some kind of password protection? It seems that if I use the "set server login" command on MS-Kermit that I would be protected but if I drop the connection and re-connect from elsewhere it will still show up as logged on. In other words, instead of "server [time]", I want "server until CD goes away". I looked through the faqs and found nothing. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 06:26:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 02:16:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 02:16:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!csbn2.concordia.ca!cabilio From: cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation in script Date: 11 May 1995 01:26 -0500 Organization: CSBN Concordia University Lines: 48 Distribution: world Message-Id: <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbn2.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): First, suppose you have an automated login procedure to a VMS host. The script sends the appropriate information in response to the Username: and Password: prompts, then waits for the $ prompt before it resumes. Now our system SYLOGIN.COM issues a SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE to set the terminal characteristics upon login, which works fine if Kermit is in CONNECT (emulation) mode, but not if it is executing the script command INPUT 30 $. After the INQUIRE times out, VMS issues an error message and thenceforth treats the terminal as a dumb TTY. One can get around the first problem by including a post-login script command like OUTPUT SET TERMINAL/DEVICE=VT300\13, but this is a kludge. And here is a second, more difficult example. Suppose an MS-Kermit script includes an OUTPUT command that invokes a VMS .COM procedure. Among other things, the .COM issues an escape sequence to the terminal to put it into autoprint mode, so that some information should come out on the printer attached to the PC. Again, works fine if Kermit is in CONNECT mode, but if it is executing an INPUT command at the time then the host's escape sequence is ignored. At first I thought I was missing something, since MS-Kermit's developers seem to have thought of everything in this mature product. Yet I could not find this problem addressed in my copy of "Using MS-Dos Kermit" 2nd ed. by Christine Gianone, nor in KERMIT.UPD, nor in the FAQ, nor in any articles current in this newsgroup. It is all the more surprising because one commercial product I have used in the past includes the equivalent of an INPUT command with terminal emulation while it waits. Christine does note that no terminal emulation occurs during the INPUT command, but I found this to be equally true with the PAUSE command, leading me to infer that terminal emulation occurs only in CONNECT mode. Is this correct, or am I just misunderstanding something? There is only one way I can see of accomplishing the kind of thing I described. I have not yet studied the new APC feature in detail or tried it out, but I can see how it might be used to trade control back and forth between the host and MS-Kermit: the Kermit script starts up a .COM on the host and goes into CONNECT mode, while the .COM does its thing and then issues an APC to transfer control back to a Kermit script, and so forth. Does this sound feasible? If so, it is better than nothing, but it seems a cumbersome solution to what appears to be a simple problem. Much obliged for any observations you might have. Steve Cabilio (cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 18:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:31:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:31:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: absolute exit from kermit telnet session Date: 11 May 1995 18:29:06 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to avoid the "a session may be active" message and simply do a absolute exit from a kermit telnet session? This "safety" feature is a bother in scripts where kermit runs as a server but most exit at certain points without regard to the state of the line in order for other programmes to run. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 18:10:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:35:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:35:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Term Underline Color Date: 11 May 1995 14:10:21 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3otjud$3k6@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14p3. Here's the deal. I want my underline color to be bright yellow on blue. Okay, not a problem. I put set term under 1,33,44 in my mscustom.ini file and I get brown on blue. 8( If I type the same command from within kermit, then I do get bright yellow on blue. So, is there something else I should be doing? Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:08:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:08:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: gt6935e@prism.gatech.edu (Kurt Chirhart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 9 May 1995 08:46:09 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia Lines: 21 Sender: gt6935e@prism.gatech.edu Message-Id: <3ono6h$15p@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Honbo Zhou wrote: >I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment >and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to >dial, I got: can't initialize modem > >Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. What sort of start_up files are you using? Could you post them? kermit -y start_up? What device is your modem in /dev? Is it /dev/modem(a link to your serial port /dev/cua*)? Does your startup file have and references to your modem in it? Such as BAUD, LINE and etc? The .kermrc should have some info such as this in it. If you post these details we may be able to help. -- Kurt Chirhart Internet: gt6935e@acme.gatech.edu Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ``It should be easy to see, the crux of the biscuit is the apostophe.'' - Frank Zappa From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 21:06:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:36:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:36:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news From: asriniva@us.oracle.com (Andre Srinivasan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Kermit doesn't support Meta-Cntrl keys??? Date: 08 May 1995 21:06:34 GMT Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California, USA. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: asriniva-sun.us.oracle.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The emacskey.ini file that comes with OS/2 Kermit only has key codes for Meta keys. There doesn't seem to be a way to define key codes for Meta-Cntrl keys as there was in the MSDOS version. I'm missing something right? Tell me there is a way to define the codes for Meta-Cntrol keys. -andre. -- -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Andre Srinivasan | Oracle Corporation | "...objectively strategizing for the subdivision." California, USA | -Steve Viavant asriniva@us.oracle.com | -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- ***I, not Oracle, take responsibility for everything I say, think, or do.*** From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 01:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BackSpace key? Date: 12 May 1995 01:38:53 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3oue7d$bom@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Tomich (jtomich@news.IntNet.net) wrote: : Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and : hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. At the kermit prompt ( or in mscustom.ini) set key \270 \127 (to send DEL) set key \270 \8 (to send backspace) set key \270 Hello (to send "Hello") -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 14:11:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit as a server Message-Id: <1995May10.201137.50463@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 May 95 20:11:37 MDT References: <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > I've been using PROCOMM Plus "host" mode to allow me to login to a > server and send and receive files. It works well but I'd like to go > to kermit. > > Here's the problem. How do I setup Kermit to act as a server with > some kind of password protection? It seems that if I use the > "set server login" command on MS-Kermit that I would be protected > but if I drop the connection and re-connect from elsewhere it will > still show up as logged on. > > In other words, instead of "server [time]", I want "server until CD goes > away". I looked through the faqs and found nothing. ------------- Try this experiment. Bring up Kermit normally, dial another modem anywhere by hand from Connect mode to watch the action. After the CONNECT message has appeared type ALT-X to leave Connect mode. At the Kermit prompt then give commands SET CARRIER ON, SERVER. Now reach over and manually hang up the phone or switch off the modem or remove the telephone cord. The instant CD drops Kermit pops out of Server mode and the Kermit prompt shows. It's at the Kermit prompt that one has a tiny looping script which invokes Server mode, and possibly other refinements. This is for version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 12 01:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 23:40:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 23:40:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: absolute exit from kermit telnet session Date: 11 May 1995 21:15:40 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3oucrs$h7l@panix.com> References: <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Is there a way to avoid the "a session may be active" message and simply >do a absolute exit from a kermit telnet session? MS-Kermit 3.14 introduced the "SET EXIT WARNING OFF" command, which does exactly this. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 20:07:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 12 May 1995 02:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 12 May 1995 02:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading and Writing Line by Line Date: 9 May 1995 20:07:00 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3ooi14$d6c@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <1995May7.140204.50030@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > In article <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > > Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines > > from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. > > Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a > > hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines > > one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with > > a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" > > "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat > > the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I > > tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line > > individually so I can read line by line. > -------- > Well, as they say, "don't do that." Instead end the line with > something else, say a space after your hyphen. There is no way of turning > off line continuation with a trailing hyphen. > Joe D. I can't end the line with anything else as the file that I'm capturing is edifact coding and it is fixed at 80 characters per line. The reason I was reading line by line and writing to a second file was that at the end of my captured file I have a few lines that I need to get rid off. The first line starting with "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED"and few others would follow. What I would do was using the FINDEX function I would stop writing to my second file when I encountered that magic line and then I would have pure coding in my second file. Can someone please tell me how I can the accomplish the same thing (getting rid of unwanted lines at the bottom of my captured file) without running into the problem of reading line by line and getting caught by a line that ends in a hypen and overflowing the buffer. thanks again Brad From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:45:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 12 May 1995 08:46:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 12 May 1995 08:46:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit doesn't support Meta-Cntrl keys??? Date: 12 May 1995 12:45:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ovla7$ion@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andre Srinivasan wrote: >The emacskey.ini file that comes with OS/2 Kermit only has key codes >for Meta keys. There doesn't seem to be a way to define key codes for >Meta-Cntrl keys as there was in the MSDOS version. > That's right. >I'm missing something right? Tell me there is a way to define the >codes for Meta-Cntrol keys. > There isn't, sorry. OS/2 C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit have distinct family trees. We are working to bring them together, but this particular issue is difficult, because there is no way to allow Ctrl-Alt combos to generate unique scan codes without changing some of the other ones, thus breaking everybody's current key settings files. In the future, we'll probably need to have a command that selects among two or more different scan-code regimens. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 02:39:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in script Message-Id: <1995May11.083945.50507@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 May 95 08:39:45 MDT References: <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca>, cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca writes: > Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script > is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was > using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): ---------- Briefly put, no there isn't. Script commands are executed at the Kermit prompt, Connect mode (terminal emulation) is invoked from the Kermit prompt too. Terminal type responses, such as to SET TERM/INQ, can be made from scripts using canned response sequences listed in text file msvibm.vt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 02:41:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BackSpace key? Message-Id: <1995May11.084128.50508@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 May 95 08:41:28 MDT References: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net>, jtomich@news.IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: > Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and > hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. ------------ Please do read the documenation accompanying the Kermit you are using. Then also try commands SHOW KEY and SET KEY. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 13:01:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:05:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!ftel.co.uk!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A _current_ protocol reference? Date: 10 May 1995 13:01:28 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I already have "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (1987). I'm looking for documentation of the current protocol. (I'm fairly sure it's moved on a bit since 1987). I know I can trawl through the mail archive for all the protocol extensions but what I really want is a later edition. Is there anywhere I can look? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 15:03:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:08:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:08:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!demon!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!umdac!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connect cost report in OS/2 ckermit? Date: 9 May 1995 16:03:05 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3oo079$6l9@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone done a script (in Ckermit or in REXX) that can analyse a logfile and count the connect cost? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 16:56:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:14:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:14:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunews!suma3!suqstmbl From: John Stumbles Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:56:31 +0100 Organization: University of Reading, U.K. Lines: 40 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: suma3-e2.reading.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <27Apr95.013131.3009@granite.ciw.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: (I hope I got the attribution right!) > >Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. > >This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the > >funds or programmer time to do it. > > ... > >We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything > >you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, > >character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact > >built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. > > ... > >But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, ..... > >...................In the meantime, sites that have > >thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because > >Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to > >help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The > >situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can > >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion > >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a > >giant bag of free goodies. Well I don't have a big pot of money to throw at the Kermit folks ... neither have I anything but praise to lavish on them for the effort they've put into Kermit so far ... however I have a suggestion: the people at Univ. of Washington who develop PINE (another fine public-domain application that knocks spots off most of the commercial offerings :-) have a winsock version of PC Pine - maybe they have some code that could be reused for a Win/kermit? Just my $0.02 worth :-) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Computer Services Centre 01734 318435 University of Reading Whiteknights Reading RG6 2AF UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 17:25:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:25:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A _current_ protocol reference? Date: 14 May 1995 17:25:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3p5eem$glc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I already have "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (1987). >I'm looking for documentation of the current protocol. (I'm fairly >sure it's moved on a bit since 1987). I know I can trawl through the mail >archive for all the protocol extensions but what I really want is a >later edition. > You'll have to wait for us to find time to write it. Meanwhile, the protocol specification in the book is augmented by the following files in kermit/e on kermit.columbia.edu: isok7.txt -- Character sets lshift.txt -- Locking shifts mail.90a -- File collision actions, REMOTE SET - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 04:38:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 14:00:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 14:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows95 Message-Id: <1995May14.103829.50860@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 May 95 10:38:29 MDT References: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au>, cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) writes: > Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? > > I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on > Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. > > If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications > under Windows95 please let me know how. ---------- You are asking much too soon. Win95 is hardly a stable target; it changes almost by the day. Comms material is highly variable in the context of what does or does not work in any build. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 16:51:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 18:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 18:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!park.uvsc.edu!usenet From: Terry Lambert Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Re: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 16:51:02 GMT Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3oo6hm$s00@park.uvsc.edu> References: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> <3onoff$c4i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2743 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:303 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: ] ] In article <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org>, ] Tom Towle wrote: ] : Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a ] : card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users ] : come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the ] : same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines ] : to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet ] : connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems ] : to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available ] : for binary file transfer. ] : ] So what's the problem? The problem is that he's effectively got a multidrop board with a controller that looks like an ethernet card (but is probably actually and RS422 card) and that he needs to make the connection between the fan out unit on the other end of the cable from the PC and the modems *binary* so he can do transfers with something *other* than kermit. Probably so he can get SLIP or PPP going as well. Most likely the problem is that the card is set for in band (XON/XOF) flow control when it should be set for out of band (RTS/CTS) or the modem is set that way or they both are. I'm not sure if you could reset the card or not. Some of these cards are mighty stupid. It might, in fact, be a jumper setting in the fan out unit itself. Note that this type of setup is typically done to make it cheap, so it's entirely possible that there is insufficient buffering without flow control to keep the fan out unit from losing data before it gets shoved down the wire to the card in the box. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 01:12:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:14:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maxium size for string to output? Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 01:12:14 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've seem to run across an interesting thing in CKermit 190 for XENIX. If I try to output a string that is 320 characters long, the receiving system acts as if a partial string was sent. It also appears as if there are some control characters being sent. (There are none in the string.) If I split the line into 79 character chunks, all is well. Is there some sort of buffer being used for the output command? Thanks MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 00:52:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:55:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Message-Id: <1995May11.005222.10768@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Date: Thu, 11 May 95 00:52:22 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jogr@loc.gov (John B. Graves) writes: > I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. > I need to do this for a TCP session to a Data General > where the application requires all uppercase. Any ideas? Use Kermit's "SET KEY" command, repeatedly, to send upper-case letters, when the lower-case keys are pressed. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 11 03:47:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 20:51:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 20:50:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.IntNet.net!news.IntNet.net!news-path From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BackSpace key? Date: 10 May 1995 23:47:47 -0400 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 00:54:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 00:54:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 00:54:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!newcastle14.nbnet.nb.ca!roadrunner From: roadrunner@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca (Jody Glidden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Protocols for winsock? Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 01:00:04 Organization: NB*Net Lines: 3 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: newcastle14.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any popular protocols for winsock available on ftp sites? kermit,zmodem,xmodem,ymodem etc. Please reply via e-mail at roadruner@nbnet.nb.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 05:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 03:57:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 03:57:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows95 Message-Id: <2661@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 15 May 95 05:40:06 GMT References: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Organization: Internet Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au>, cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) writes: | Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? | | I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on | Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. | | If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications | under Windows95 please let me know how. NDIS3PKT works with (at least) the last two Windows 95 betas (i.e., the ``final'' beta and the January beta). It may or may not work with previous betas. I haven't tried kermit under Windows 95; however, unless there is some weird compatibility problem with the Windows 95 DOS box, it should work fine. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 13:19:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:19:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:19:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maxium size for string to output? Date: 15 May 1995 13:19:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3p7kcb$c6u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: >I've seem to run across an interesting thing in CKermit 190 for XENIX. If >I try to output a string that is 320 characters long, the receiving system >acts as if a partial string was sent. It also appears as if there are some >control characters being sent. (There are none in the string.) If I split >the line into 79 character chunks, all is well. > >Is there some sort of buffer being used for the output command? > Well, yes. And it is 80 indeed bytes long. However, unless I'm badly mistaken, the buffering algorithm (see dooutput() and oboc() in ckuus5.c) is sound. It was tested successfully with strings considerably longer than 80 bytes (and longer than 320). Failures like the one you report have been observed for various lengths, most commonly 256. Generally, this indicates a flow-control or buffering capacity problem at the receiving end, and not a failure of the OUTPUT command. It could also, however, be indicative of a buffering capacity in the local device drivers. A good way to locate the culprit would be to test the OUTPUT command for success or failure. If it succeeds, the problem is most likely on the far end. If it fails, that means it was not able to send all the bytes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 05:49:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:36:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in script Date: 12 May 1995 05:49:47 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3oustr$mkn@news.ysu.edu> References: <1995May11.083945.50507@cc.usu.edu> <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca>, cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca writes: >> Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script >> is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was >> using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): > >---------- > Briefly put, no there isn't. Script commands are executed at the >Kermit prompt, Connect mode (terminal emulation) is invoked from the >Kermit prompt too. Terminal type responses, such as to SET TERM/INQ, >can be made from scripts using canned response sequences listed in text >file msvibm.vt. > Joe D. > The closest that you could get would be to use an outside console driver such as ANSI. I have noted that the script handler processes all its stuff through the outside driver when it is active. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 05:29:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 14:03:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 14:03:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!bhardwaj From: bhardwaj@cuug.ab.ca (Dharam Bhardwaj 282-6486) Subject: Kermit 190-5A install problems Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 05:29:04 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I downloaded this version from columbia for my machine, it is a NeXT platform running a unix flavor compatible with at least BSD4.2. The file I downloaded was named ckuker.Next and it is binary. I renamed the file to Kermit in order to use it but it does not work, Can someone please explain how I can upgrade to this version from a previous version (4E - 070). Thanks in advance. Email preferred if possible. -- E-mail: bhardwaj@cuug.ab.ca | NeXTMail: (under construction) | Fax: 403-282-8969 Canada | From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:57:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: OS/2 Ckermit and Rexx don't mix? Message-Id: <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:57:09 GMT Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can't use ckermit commands or in a Rexx script that runs under ckermit. Can anyone help out please. Here is a little program to run under ckermit for OS/2 version 191. First is the program, the output from the program and lastly an explanation for the error from OS/2. Does the same thing happen on your OS/2 system. Just for historial purposes the same thing happens in ckermit 190. Also the rexx scripts work fine as long as don't call any ckermit commands. :-( --------------------- Below in the program --------------------------- /* This is a test of ckermit. */ /* TRACE "?R" */ SAY "Ckermit will crash when it gets a command that rexx cannot" SAY "process correctly and sends ckermit. Even ckermit commands" SAY "will cause the system to crash." SAY "Currently running in" Address() 'set terminal type vt220' /* end of test */ -------------------- Output from the program in ckermit ------------- CKermit> rexx call test.cmd Ckermit will crash when it gets a command that rexx cannot process correctly and sends ckermit. Even ckermit commands will cause the ckermit to terminate. Currently running in CKermit SYS1808: The process has stopped. The software diagnostic code (exception code) is 0005. ------------------- What sys1808 means ------------------------------ help sys1808 SYS1808: The process has stopped. The software diagnostic code (exception code) is ***. EXPLANATION: The program generated an exception that the system cannot resolve. The soft ware diagnostic code allows determination of what type of exception was generated. ACTION: Correct the problem or try a different version of the program. --------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the error I should try a different version. Any clues to the new version, or I'm doing something wrong? Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:55:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Message-Id: <1995May12.125500.28479@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:55:00 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >It is not actually used in any of the login scripts, but it can be. It would >be particularly handy for logging in to VMS. > >It is not a built-in variable, but is defined in the CKERMOD.INI file. > >- Frank Thanks, I see how to use it now. Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:56:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:42:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:42:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.IntNet.net!news.IntNet.net!news-path From: kcole@IntNet.net (Kyle Cole) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable push Date: 12 May 1995 08:56:20 -0400 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to disable push or any other method of escaping to a shell prompt. I am using c-kermit for unixware. Thanks, Kyle From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 00:26:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 20:26:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 20:26:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit and Rexx don't mix? Date: 16 May 1995 00:26:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3p8rg3$2se@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >Can't use ckermit commands or in a Rexx script that runs under >ckermit. Can anyone help out please. This appears to be a bug in the parameter passing order specified in the OS/2 header REXXSAA.H. IBM left out an APIENTRY definition for use with non C++ compilations. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 18:17:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 01:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 01:28:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!flatlndr From: flatlndr@vnet.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 15 May 1995 18:17:50 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Lines: 74 Message-Id: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. Thanks for any help. Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net flatlndr@cyberspace.com danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us SET MODEM-DIALER hayes SET LINE /dev/cua0 SET SPEED 57600 SET PARITY none SET DUPLEX full SET FLOW rts/cts SET FILE TYPE bin SET FILE NAME lit SET REC PACK 1000 SET SEND PACK 1000 SET WINDOW 5 SET INPUT CASE ignore SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION proceed SET OUTPUT PACING 10 SET PROMPT Termnet> SET DIAL DISPLAY on SET DIAL HANGUP on SET DIAL MNP on SET DIAL MODEM-HANGUP SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING off SET DIAL TIMEOUT 45 SET DIAL INIT-STRING AT &F &C1 &D0 M0 \13 ; Somehwere in here is where I think it is bombing :BEGIN CLEAR DIAL 5551234 INPUT 10 CONNECT IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE GOTO LOGIN :LOGIN INPUT 10 ogin: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT username\13 INPUT 10 assword: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT password\13 INPUT 10 $ IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT rlogin jazzmin.vnet.net -l flatlndr -8 -L\13 INPUT 10 assword: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT jazzminpassword\13 OUTPUT \13 PAUSE 2 OUTPUT net\13 PAUSE 1 QUIT ; ; If modem not working exit. ; :END ECHO Modem Initialization Failure... ECHO Exiting Program... QUIT ; Done! From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:35:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:35:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:35:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable push Date: 17 May 1995 00:35:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3pbgce$bum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.intnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.intnet.net>, Kyle Cole wrote: >I need to disable push or any other method of escaping to a shell prompt. >I am using c-kermit for unixware. > make unixware (or unixwarenetc) KFLAGS=-DNOPUSH See ckccfg.doc for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:39:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:39:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 17 May 1995 00:39:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3pbgk8$e9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net>, wrote: >I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials >fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call >Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. > >SET this, SET that... >... >DIAL 5551234 >INPUT 10 CONNECT >IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN > DIAL handles dialing. You don't need script commands for this. DIAL already read the CONNECT message, so your INPUT command will always fail. Change to: SET this, SET that... ... DIAL 5551234 IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 02:32:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 02:32:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Mark Murphy <72351.3036@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit for AOS/VS Date: 17 May 1995 00:49:17 GMT Organization: Interactive Systems, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I get C-Kermit for DG AOS/VS in dumpfile format? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 23:57:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:10:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:10:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script works under 189 not under 190 (SCO UNIX) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 23:57:38 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script that works fine under 189 build, however whenever I try to run it with 190, I get memory faults. This ONLY happens with the UNIX version. AIX & Xenix 190 will run it fine. I have tried recompiling with different settings but no go. I even tried the precompiled UNIX version from Columbia, but got the same results. (Using sco32v4 para in the makefile) It somehow is related to the size of a while success loop because if I start taking stuff out, it starts working. I realize that I am no giving much information. I didn't want to burden the net with my script & sample data (the script reads a file and outputs it), I am looking for possible solutions. Thanks for any help. MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 06:26:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:20:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:19:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!!root From: root@.com (System Administrator) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 16 May 1995 06:26:05 GMT Organization: LittleToNone Lines: 100 Message-Id: <3p9ghu$5ab@ralph.vnet.net> References: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2+color] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Me again :) I managed to get the script to work so I am showing what I changed in case anyone else would want to use the script. flatlndr@vnet.net wrote: : Hi, : I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials : fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call : Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. : Thanks for any help. : Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net : flatlndr@cyberspace.com : danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us : root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us : SET MODEM-DIALER hayes : SET LINE /dev/cua0 : SET SPEED 57600 Cahnged this to 38400 : SET PARITY none : SET DUPLEX full : SET FLOW rts/cts : SET FILE TYPE bin : SET FILE NAME lit : SET REC PACK 1000 : SET SEND PACK 1000 : SET WINDOW 5 : SET INPUT CASE ignore : SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION proceed : SET OUTPUT PACING 10 : SET PROMPT Termnet> : SET DIAL DISPLAY on : SET DIAL HANGUP on : SET DIAL MNP on : SET DIAL MODEM-HANGUP : SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING off : SET DIAL TIMEOUT 45 : SET DIAL INIT-STRING AT &F &C1 &D0 M0 \13 added Q0 to the init string : ; Somehwere in here is where I think it is bombing : :BEGIN : CLEAR : DIAL 5551234 : INPUT 10 CONNECT : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE GOTO LOGIN Commented out the above 3 lines : :LOGIN : INPUT 10 ogin: Changed this to the very first thing my remote host spits out. Also added a PAUSE 3 line after this. : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT username\13 : INPUT 10 assword: : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT password\13 : INPUT 10 $ : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT rlogin jazzmin.vnet.net -l flatlndr -8 -L\13 : INPUT 10 assword: : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT jazzminpassword\13 : OUTPUT \13 : PAUSE 2 : OUTPUT net\13 : PAUSE 1 : QUIT : ; : ; If modem not working exit. : ; : :END : ECHO Modem Initialization Failure... : ECHO Exiting Program... : QUIT : ; Done! That's it! :) I'm going to now poke around and try to add this to my .profile file so the connection is made whenever I login. And then add some crontab entries to get and send the mail. If anyone is interested drop an e-mail to me and I'll get back to ya. Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net flatlndr@cyberspace.com danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 12:38:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 04:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 04:04:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!not-for-mail From: jreveyos@nova.umuc.edu (Jean Paul Reveyoso) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit for OS/2 and Slipterm Date: 16 May 1995 08:38:50 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Ckermit 191 for OS/2 be used as the front end terminal program for IBM's IAK. And if so how do you do it? Is the documentation for this feature in "Using C-Kermit?". TIA From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 12:32:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:02:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:01:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!argus!bll From: bll@argus.mh.nl (Ron Bollen) Subject: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Message-Id: Organization: Multihouse Automatisering b.v. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 12:32:35 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I hope anyone can help me with this problem. I am using a DECsystem running Ultrix as a sort of BBS. Client can call this system and retrieve information. Also the downloading of files using kermit of z-modem is possible. The modems I am using are hooked on a Netblazer (Telebit) and can be accessed throught an ip-address. (So the modempool can be reached via a telnet-session.) Now I want to transfer files using Z-modem and Kermit to the client-systems during the night in a batch-way. I can use C-kermit (190) which does this perfectly using the "set host Ip-address" to connect to the modempool and so on. But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. Is it possible to use Z-modem within C-kermit and how can I set it up? Maybe anyone knows a product that contains this functionality. (Connecting the modempool throught an Ip-address, making the connection to the customer and transfering files using the Z-modem-protocol.) I hope to hear from anyone soon. Thanks in advance Ron ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ Ron Bollen E-Mail: bll@mh.nl Technisch Specialist Tel: +31-1820-62722 Multihouse Networking, Doesburgweg 7, 2800 AT Gouda, The Netherlands ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 13:20:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 09:20:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 09:20:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for OS/2 and Slipterm Date: 17 May 1995 13:20:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3pct7e$gnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu>, Jean Paul Reveyoso wrote: >Can Ckermit 191 for OS/2 be used as the front end terminal program for >IBM's IAK. And if so how do you do it? Is the documentation for this >feature in "Using C-Kermit?". C-Kermit 5a(191) can indeed be used instead of SLIPTERM. It is not documented in "Using C-Kermit" as the book was published before this release. The specific method for using this support is dependent upon the SLIP porivder you are using. Try the UPDATES SLIP command from the C-Kermit prompt. ---- In general though, you need to edit your SLIP.CFG file (ETC directory) to specify the proper settings for SLIP.EXE. Then you start SLIP.EXE. Then start C-Kermit, say SET PORT SLIPCOMx where the x i s replaced by the port number being used by SLIP.EXE. Set the speed, flow control, etc. Dial, make your connection, start SLIP. Now if your provider has BOOTP support, run BOOTP to configure your IP addresses and routes. If not, you must use the INPUT command and the \v(input) variable to capture the IP addresses and call IFCONFIG to setup your IP address and routes. Since this would be automated, you must understand the C-Kermit scripting language fairly well. And for that you should get a copy of "Using C-Kermit". Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 05:01:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 14:13:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 14:12:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Faster file transfers Message-Id: <1995May16.110133.51079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 May 95 11:01:33 MDT References: <3pag7g$os4@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pag7g$os4@uwm.edu>, brodg@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Beth L Rodgers) writes: > > Some of my colleagues have been talking about a way to have kermit work > with x-modem and z-modem type file transfers, which is supposed to be > faster than even changing the parameters within kermit. I'm working with > Kermit 3.14 and Ckermit on a Unix mainframe, connected with a direct > hardwire. I have worked with faster parameters in the kermit program, but > would appreciate any additional information regarding incresing the > performance to do z-modem type transfers. > > > -- > Beth Rodgers, PhD, RN University of WI-Milwaukee > Associate Professor email: brodg@csd.uwm.edu > School of Nursing Fax: 414/229-6474 ------------ Beth, This is pretty much a stale topic by now. Kermit (MS-DOS and C) can operate just as fast as the X/Y/Zmodem transfers and with a heck of a lot more robustness. The matter is discussed in some detail in the Summer 94 issue of Kermit News. Communications isn't simple or plug and play, no matter how much we might wish it to be so. Adjustments are always needed to achieve higher than standard performance or to even converse at all. The Kermit protocol is designed to be robust and flexible, and it's easily adjusted to be as fast as anything else. We have no interest in providing X/Y/Zmodem protocols in our products because we firmly believe we have superior solutions all around. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 03:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 16:08:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 16:08:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 17 May 1995 11:52 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-Id: <17MAY199511524255@almach.caltech.edu> References: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de>, PETER@EMBL-HAMBURG.DE (Peter Bendall) writes... >The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference >Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being >sent to Compuserve as Binary. > >I would be grateful if somebody could help, please! Is this a Compuserve > problem? > > > Before uploading, I gave the following settings: > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHAR TRANSPARENT > SET FILE TYPE BINARY ^^^^^^ > SET SEND PACKET 2000 > SET BLOCK 3 > SET WINDOW 4 > I've been bitten by this one before, myself. Look at the file CKVKER.BWR that should've come with your distribution; here's the applicable excerpt: FILE TRANSFER File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". The automagic file mode works most of the time, actually. In particular, a file will always be sent in Binary if the file being transferred has the attribute "Fixed length 512 byte records". But files created with the "Stream" attribute will be sent as Text, even if Binary is more appropriate. Changing SET FILE TYPE BINARY to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE will make things work like you would expect. [Actually, I find the automatic file mode detection to often be more of a hazard than a convenience, in many cases.] Tim. (shoppa@krl.caltech.edu) Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 22:53:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 18:53:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 18:53:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script works under 189 not under 190 (SCO UNIX) Date: 17 May 1995 22:53:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3pduon$pop@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: : I have a kermit script that works fine under 189 build, however whenever I : try to run it with 190, I get memory faults. This ONLY happens with the : UNIX version. AIX & Xenix 190 will run it fine. I have tried recompiling : with different settings but no go. I even tried the precompiled UNIX : version from Columbia, but got the same results. (Using sco32v4 para in : the makefile) : : It somehow is related to the size of a while success loop because if I : start taking stuff out, it starts working. : : I realize that I am no giving much information. I didn't want to burden : the net with my script & sample data (the script reads a file and outputs : it), I am looking for possible solutions. : The net is not going to be very helpful with problems like this. Your best bet is to send your report direct to Kermit tech support at kermit@columbia.edu. Much faster than news, and gets to the right people (i.e. me). Send specifics. But don't expect miracles, because (a) I'm on jury duty at the moment :-), and (b) I don't have an SCO UNIX system of my own for experimentation. Begin by sending a copy of the offending script and the last few K of a debug log taken in a session that crashes. If you have a core dump analyzer on SCO UNIX, see if you can get a traceback. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 23:04:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:04:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Date: 17 May 1995 23:04:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Bollen wrote: : I hope anyone can help me with this problem. : : I am using a DECsystem running Ultrix as a sort of BBS. Client can call : this system and retrieve information. Also the downloading of files : using kermit of z-modem is possible. : : The modems I am using are hooked on a Netblazer (Telebit) and can be : accessed throught an ip-address. (So the modempool can be reached via : a telnet-session.) : : Now I want to transfer files using Z-modem and Kermit to the client-systems : during the night in a batch-way. : I can use C-kermit (190) which does this perfectly using the : "set host Ip-address" to connect to the modempool and so on. : Thank you for acknowledging this in public. So few people take the trouble to notice such things :-) : But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. : Is it possible to use Z-modem within C-kermit and how can I set it up? : Maybe anyone knows a product that contains this functionality. : (Connecting the modempool throught an Ip-address, making the connection : to the customer and transfering files using the Z-modem-protocol.) : This is a rather strange question to appear in the Kermit newsgroup. Why are there are so many questions of like this? "I have a very complicated setup and Kermit works perfectly, but I want to use Zmodem..." Kermit is good at these things because it is designed to be flexible. It is independent of particular communications media. It has a scripting language. It is one of the very few, if not the only, communications software programs for UNIX that can dial a modem that is connected to a terminal server that can only be reached by TELNET. We went to a lot of trouble to give you this functionality. You will also find that file transfers tend to work over such connections, and even stranger ones than these. In other words, Kermit is not only a robust file transfer protocol, but also a good communications software program. The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same connection where Kermit works fine are: . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. . Kermit protocol, or a good version of it, is not available on the other end. The latter should be addressed by installing decent Kermit implementations on BBSs and other dialup services. With the advent of Kermit Lite for DOS and Windows and C-Kermit for OS/2, UNIX, VMS, and numerous other operating systems, both of which are designed for easy use as "external protocols", there is no reason not to have fast and reliable Kermit service everywhere. For example, see the article on Kermit and BBS's in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 23:07:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:07:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:07:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for AOS/VS Date: 17 May 1995 23:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3pdvka$qpi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Mark Murphy <72351.3036@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Where can I get C-Kermit for DG AOS/VS in dumpfile format? > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckd190.uue Uudecode it and poof, it's an AOS/VS dumpfile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 03:15:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!icarus.lis.pitt.edu!xuj From: xuj@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jie Xu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Date: 17 May 1995 03:15:00 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.lis.pitt.edu Keywords: RPI Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I installed a ZOOM 14.4 PC model 110 faxmodem and MS-Kermit 3.14 patch 0, but could not get error crrection (V.42, MNP2-4) or compression (V.42bis, MNP5) work. Here's what I did. I added an entry in dialups.txt, with speed set at 57600. Because the command AT &Q5 in modems\zoom.scr is not supported by this modem, I changed to AT &Q6 to select asynchornous mode with speed buffering. Then I dialed a V.32bis/LAMP/V.42bis modem using dial macro, the connection was 14400 without any protocols. The manual of this faxmodem says: "This faxmodem uses RPI, the Rockwell Protocol Interface, to implement V.42 and MNP 2-4 error correction as well as V.42bis and MNP 5 data compression. The RPI-based implementation works just like built-in or harware-based V.42, V.42bis and MNP when you use it with RPI-compatable data communucations software. If you have a specific use that requires error correction and you can't use RPI-compatable software, you will need a faxmodem with built-in V.42 or MNP2-4 error cor rection." My question is if MS-Kermit 3.14 is RPI-compatable. If it is, what did I do wrong or what should do? If it is not, will it be? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 07:59:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!dscomsa.desy.de!usenet From: PETER@EMBL-HAMBURG.DE (Peter Bendall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 17 May 1995 07:59:57 GMT Organization: EUROPEAN MOLECULAR BIOLOGY LAB. HAMBURG Lines: 78 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: gelert.embl-hamburg.de X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being sent to Compuserve as Binary. I would be grateful if somebody could help, please! Is this a Compuserve problem? Wolfgang Zander, , asks:= ================================================================================ Note 135.0 CKERMIT upload to COMPUSERVE 7 replies DECUS::ZANDER "Wolfgang,BTS GmbH,ICC Weiterstadt" 29 lines 10-APR-1995 12:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Ich habe ein Problem mit CKERMIT 5A (189) beim Upload von Bindrdateien] [zu Compuserve. Der connect erfolgt ueber den Port TTA2: einer VAX ] [4000/100A auf ein Standard 14,4K Modem. Die Terminalemulation ist ok. ] I have a problem with CKERMIT 5A(189) when uploading Binary Data to Compuserve. The connect is made over port TTA2 of a VAX 4000/100A using a standard 14.4K Modem. Terminalemulation is OK. [Ich habe vor dem Upload folgende Einstellungen gemacht:] Before uploading, I gave the following settings: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHAR TRANSPARENT SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET SEND PACKET 2000 SET BLOCK 3 SET WINDOW 4 [Auf Compuserve im Mail-Forum starte ich den Empfang mit] [Kermit-Protokoll und Filetype binaer. Dann sende ich vom CKERMIT aus] [das File mit SEND filename. Der Transfer erfolgt problemlos ohne eine] [Fehlermeldung.] I start the receive in the Mail-Forum with Kermit Protocol and BINARY file type. The transfer completes without error messages. [ Wenn ich mir jedoch das empfangene File auf COMPUSERVE [ansehe, ist es laenger geworden. Bei einem Byte-fuer Byte-Vergleich [stellt sich heraus, dass bei der Uebertragung nach 238 Zeichen, in [denen kein 0x0a vorkam, die zwei Zeichen 0x0d, 0x0a eingefuegt werden When I look at the received file on Compuserve, I see that it has increased in size. By a Byte for Byte comparison, it appears that when - after 238 characters no Hex 0A character has appeared - a pair has been inserted. [und wenn ein 0x0a vorkommt, wird ebenfalls dahinter ein 0x0d,0x0a] [eingefuegt. Dadurch wird natuerlich jedes Binaerfile unbrauchbar. Whenever a Hex 0A occurs, a pair has been inserted. The binary file is therefore useless. [Es sieht so aus, als ob die Aenderungen fuer ein Textfile gemacht werden,] [obwohl waehrend des Uploads der Filetype mit "binary" angezeigt wird.] * It looks exactly as though the file type has been changed to TEXT, although throughout the upload, type "Binary" is shown. [Das Terminal TTA2: habe ich auch mit /passall probiert-ohne Erfolg.] Setting the VAX terminal to /passall brings nothing! [Hat vielleicht jemand einen Tip fuer mich ?] [Vielen Dank im Voraus !] [Wolfgang Zander] Thanks! -------------------------------------------- --- Peter Bendall Computer Manager European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Hamburg Outstation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internet: Peter@EMBL-Hamburg.de | Tel: +49 40 - 899 02 133 Home: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/~Peter | FAX: +49 40 - 899 02 149 == GAT d@(-) -p+ c+(++) l@ u-() e? m@ s+/+ n+ h?(---) f- g@(+) w+ t r y?(@) == From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 00:00:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!erinews.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.sics.se!ifi.uio.no!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uio.no!tarjeij From: tarjeij@ulrik.uio.no (Tarjei Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: bug in OS/2 ckermit 191, 24 april 1995? Date: 16 May 95 11:11:22 Organization: University of Oslo, Norway Lines: 33 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ulrik.uio.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I do a "show term" command I get the following display regardless of wheter the bytesize is 7 or 8. The displayed value for the bytesize is 8 regardless of actual value. Terminal parameters: Bytesize: command: 8 bits terminal: 8 bits Type: VT220 ID: [?62;1;2;6;9c Echo: remote Locking-shift: off Newline-mode: off Cr-display: normal Cursor: underline : Arrow-keys: cursor Keypad-mode: numeric Answerback: off response: OS/2 C-Kermit 501191 VT220 Bell: beep Wrap: on Transmit-timeout: 15 Output-pacing: 0 Roll-mode: insert Scrollback: 2000 APC: off Font: (full screen only) Code-page: active: 850 available: 850, 0, 0, 0 Height: 24 Width: 80 Screen-update: mode: fast (fast) update freq: 100 Debug mode: off Session log: (inactive) Greetings, -- // Tarjei T. Jensen // tarjeij@ulrik.uio.no || +47 51 563411 // Support you local rescue centre: GET LOST! // Working, but not speaking for the Norwegian Hydrographic Service. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 05:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 01:37:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 01:37:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!davidlee.demon.co.uk!david From: david lee Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ftp site for Kermit to run on SCO unix Date: 18 May 1995 06:30:17 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 17 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: david@davidlee.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: davidlee.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Does anybody know of Kermit free/shareware that can run on Sco unix and its ftp site. Regards -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | david lee EMail david@demon.co.uk | | Work phone 01494 878531 | Post Computer Systems Dept, | S.S.V.C. | Chalfont Grove, | Narcot La., | Gerrards Cross, | Bucks | England SL9 8TN --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 06:03:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 02:03:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 02:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: bug in OS/2 ckermit 191, 24 april 1995? Date: 18 May 1995 06:03:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3penvt$ip9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tarjei Jensen wrote: > >When I do a "show term" command I get the following display regardless of wheter >the bytesize is 7 or 8. The displayed value for the bytesize is 8 regardless of >actual value. > > >Terminal parameters: > Bytesize: command: 8 bits terminal: 8 bits These values represent the current settings of SET {COMMAND,TERMINAL} BYTESIZE When I set command bytesize 7, Show Terminal shows me: Terminal parameters: Bytesize: command: 7 bits terminal: 7 bits Type: VT220 ID: [?62;1;2;6;9c Echo: remote Locking-shift: on Newline-mode: off Cr-display: normal Cursor: full : Arrow-keys: cursor Keypad-mode: numeric Answerback: on response: OS/2 C-Kermit 501192 VT220 Bell: system sounds Wrap: on Transmit-timeout: 15 Output-pacing: 0 Roll-mode: insert Scrollback: 20000 APC: on Font: (full screen only) Code-page: active: 850 available: 437,850, 0, 0 Height: 49 Width: 80 Screen-update: mode: fast (fast) update freq: 100 Debug mode: off Session log: (inactive) Colors: border helptext selection statusline terminal-screen underlined-text fore: blue black black black lgray yellow back: brown red cyan blue blue CONNECT-mode escape character: 29 (Ctrl-], GS) See SHOW CHARACTER-SETS for character-set info [G:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>c [G:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit> Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 15:24:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 15:11:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 15:10:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ftp site for Kermit to run on SCO unix Date: 18 May 1995 15:24:13 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3pfoqt$gh2@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> you wrote: : Hi : Does anybody know of Kermit free/shareware that can run on Sco unix : and its ftp site. kuso.shef.ac.uk, src.doc.ic.ac.uk, kermit.columbia.edu on kuso.shef.ac.uk I currently have ckuker.sco32v4.gz ckuker.sco32v4gcc.gz ckuker.sco32v4net.gz ckuker.sco32v4netc.gz ckuker.sco32v4netgcc.gz ckuker.sco3r2netnd.gz ckuker.sco_odt30.gz ckuker.sco_xenix_2.3.gz in the directory /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT/CKERMIT -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 22:47:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:47:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Date: 18 May 1995 22:47:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Message-Id: <3pgipc$9o7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: RPI Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Jie Xu wrote: : I installed a ZOOM 14.4 PC model 110 faxmodem and MS-Kermit 3.14 patch : 0, but could not get error crrection (V.42, MNP2-4) or compression : (V.42bis, MNP5) work. Here's what I did. I added an entry in : dialups.txt, with speed set at 57600. Because the command AT &Q5 in : modems\zoom.scr is not supported by this modem, I changed to AT &Q6 to : select asynchornous mode with speed buffering. Then I dialed a : V.32bis/LAMP/V.42bis modem using dial macro, the connection was 14400 : without any protocols. : : The manual of this faxmodem says: "This faxmodem uses RPI, the Rockwell : Protocol Interface, to implement V.42 and MNP 2-4 error correction as : well as V.42bis and MNP 5 data compression. The RPI-based : implementation works just like built-in or harware-based V.42, V.42bis : and MNP when you use it with RPI-compatable data communucations : software. If you have a specific use that requires error correction and : you can't use RPI-compatable software, you will need a faxmodem with : built-in V.42 or MNP2-4 error correction." : I'm afraid you did not read this carefully enough when you purchased the modem. I don't blame you, unless you are a lawyer. : My question is if MS-Kermit 3.14 is RPI-compatable. If it is, what did I do : wrong or what should do? If it is not, will it be? : From the Kermit FAQ: 18. Q: KERMIT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT WITH MY ERROR-CORRECTING MODEM! A: Kermit and "RPI" modems -- you might want to read this... When you buy a modern error-correcting, data-compressing, speed-buffering modem, you probably expect the modem to perform those functions, and most do. Unfortunately, some modems that claim to have these features do not have them at all, but rather come with software that implements them in your computer, rather than in the modem where they belong. Such software is said to "comply" with the Rockwell Protocol Interface (RPI), a proprietary "standard" from Rockwell International Company that allows modem companies to sell modems at a lower price by incorporating Rockwell chips that do not include error-correction or compression capabilities. This "standard" must be licensed from Rockwell, hence you will only find it implemented in commercial software, such as on the diskette that came with your modem. If your modem documentation says it requires "RPI-compatible" software for error correction and compression, and you want to use it with Kermit, then you bought the wrong modem. Hopefully, you can return it. If not, you can still use it without error correction, but then: . Noise is not filtered out on the modem-to-modem connection, as it would be with a real error-correcting modem, and noise bursts will interfere with your online sessions and your file transfers. . There is no modem-to-modem compression, because that requires error correction. . There is no flow control, because that too requires an error-correction protocol between the modems. . There is no speed buffering, because that requires flow control between the modems. Thus, if the two modems have different interface speeds, vast amounts of data are likely to be lost. Thus, none of the modem's "advanced features" are really there. Why RPI is a bad idea: . It requires every communications software program in the world to be rewritten. . It drives up the cost of communication software. . It slows down your computer by consuming a vast amount of CPU cycles over and above what would be used if error-correction and compression were done in the modem. . It increases the memory requirements of the communication software. . It seeks to replace open communication method (the one that is universally used by serial communication software) by a closed, proprietary, licensed one, and potentially hold hostage all communications software developers to nondisclosure agreements. . It precludes publication of source code. . Since MNP 2-5 and V.42 and V.42bis are complex protocols, the software implementations will inevitably be buggy and are unlikely to be consistent, especially since the "standard" is not an open one, and the implementations themselves will not be open. . Since not all software in the world will be "upgraded" to "support" the RPI "standard", your modem will not be usable in many of the ways you might have expected to use it. . Many people will buy these modems under the mistaken impression that they can use their high speeds and advanced features with their favorite software. The average mass-market consumer is unlikely to understand the implications of "requires RPI-compliant software" in tiny print on the box. What are the benefits of RPI? . Lower-cost modems? It's hard to imagine that this could be true, at least not in 1995, with full-function V.34 modems on the market in the $200 range. The place for a modem-to-modem protocol is IN THE MODEM. Expecting it to be implemented in each and every software program that uses modems is like expecting each automobile driver to build their own oil well and refinery rather than going to a gas station for gas. If you have unwittingly bought an RPI modem, your response should not be to pressure the maker of your communication software to support it, but rather to get your money back from the vendor and put it towards a real modem. Communication software developers should be spending their time adding REAL functionality to their programs, not compensating for the cynical marketing ploys of modem manufacturers, whose behavior should not be rewarded. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 22:51:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:51:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:51:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 18 May 1995 22:51:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3pgj1l$9ti@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de>, Peter Bendall wrote: >The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference >Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being >sent to Compuserve as Binary. > > [Ich habe ein Problem mit CKERMIT 5A (189) beim Upload von Bindrdateien] > [zu Compuserve. Der connect erfolgt ueber den Port TTA2: einer VAX ] > [4000/100A auf ein Standard 14,4K Modem. Die Terminalemulation ist ok. ] > The problem is that the user did not read the documentation. Luckily, it is available in German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. The answer (already pointed out by somebody else on this forum) is given on page 463 of the German edition. To recapitulate, the problem is that VMS ZIP files are stored in a text format (Stream_LF), and so Kermit transfers them in text mode. You must use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE to override this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 00:53:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:38:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:38:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!moggie.acs.wmich.edu!tucker From: "John D. Tucker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MAIL command of MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:53:46 -0900 Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: moggie.acs.wmich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tucker@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Under MSKERMIT version 3.13 (patch level 21), I could issue a command of mail c:\$temp$\bmail.* john.tucker@wmich.edu and all BMAIL files would be mailed. The BMAIL files would be parts 1 to N parts of a UUENCODED binary. This works successfully. Under MSKERMIT version 3.14 (patch level 3), issuing the same command results in a report of all parts being successfully mailed but only part 1 is received. The mainframe is running CKERMIT 5A(189) in server mode under Sun OS 4.1.4 (Unix) for both tests. Initialization and other files for both Kermits are the same (only the MSKERMIT.EXE and MSKERMIT.PCH files are changed). Anyone have any insights or solutions? Thanks. John D. Tucker Phone: (616) 387-5448 Systems Programmer Internet: john.tucker@wmich.edu University Computing Services Ham Radio: WB8ZVV/AA Western Michigan University ICBM Addr.: 42 17 30 N 85 35 14 W Kalamazoo, Michigan USA 49008 Audio Addr.: "Hey Tucker!" From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 14:04:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 05:32:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 05:32:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!tonydev From: tonydev@cmhcsys.com (Tony - Development) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and MS TCP/IP Date: 18 May 1995 14:04:36 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems, Dublin, Ohio Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3pfk5k$6em@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cmhcprd.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone been able to use kermit and Microsoft's TCP/IP at the same time without having to use 2 IP addresses? If so, I would appreciate some info on how you accomplished this. Thanks, Tony tony@cmhcsys.com From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 17:35:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!spoelhof.OLP From: spoelhof@kodak.com (Gordon Spoelhof) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get return code from C kermit? Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:35:12 -0400 Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.OLP> Reply-To: spoelhof@kodak.com (Gordon Spoelhof) Nntp-Posting-Host: spoelhof.itc.kodak.com Summary: C Kermit does not return exit code Keywords: c kermit, exit code X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am setting up a shell script on a Sun workstation which uploads and/or downloads specific files from a PC client for a prototype application. The C Kermit utility does not return an invalid exit code when the transfer fails... Is there a simple way to do this, or do I have to hack the C Kermit source? Please respond to spoelhof@kodak.com Thanks in advance! Gordon Spoelhof Eastman Kodak Company / Image Management Platform Center 25 Edendery Circle / Fairport, NY 14450-1013 USA Email: spoelhof@kodak.com Phone: +1 716 726 0118 / FAX: +1 716 726 7619 Secretary: +1 716 726 7502 (Laurie Saunders) Where there's smoke -- there's smoke... Gordon Spoelhof Eastman Kodak Company 25 Edendery Circle / Fairport, NY 14450-1013 USA Email: spoelhof@kodak.com / Phone: +1 716 726 0118 / FAX: +1 716 726 7619 Secretary: +1 716 726 7502 (Laurie Saunders) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 08:25:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!muster!pippi!gk72 From: gk72@pippi.hrz.uni-giessen.de (Arthur Teschler) Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Sender: news@muster.hrz.uni-giessen.de Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:25:12 GMT Reply-To: Arthur.Teschler@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Inst. f. Med. Informatik, Uni Giessen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 17 May 1995 23:04:18 GMT Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In other words, Kermit is not only a robust file transfer protocol, but also : a good communications software program. Agreed ! : The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same : connection where Kermit works fine are: : . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read : our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. : . Kermit protocol, or a good version of it, is not available on the other : end. : The latter should be addressed by installing decent Kermit implementations : on BBSs and other dialup services. With the advent of Kermit Lite for DOS : and Windows and C-Kermit for OS/2, UNIX, VMS, and numerous other operating : systems, both of which are designed for easy use as "external protocols", : there is no reason not to have fast and reliable Kermit service everywhere. I wish that would be common sense, but in fact not all BBS admins think the same way. And then I'm off. I did not succeed to get minicom nor seyon, which include xyz-modem _and_ kermit capabilities, running on my system (SunOS4.3). I would like to use kermit only but there _are_ some sites, which cannot handle it. -- Arthur.Teschler@uni-giessen.de From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 17:07:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 11:29:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 11:29:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!dtp2.arts.qub.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: ajs@clio.arts.qub.ac.uk (A.J. Sheehan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Date: Fri, 12 May 95 17:07:42 GMT Organization: Arts Computing Unit, Q.U.B. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3p014e$pba@fu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: dtp2.arts.qub.ac.uk (143.117.8.39) X-Access: 16 26 46 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu testing... A.J. Sheehan Arts Computing Unit Queen's University, Belfast Ireland From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 12:42:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 15:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 15:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!nitro.apana.org.au!not-for-mail From: cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under Windows95 Date: 14 May 1995 22:42:35 +1000 Organization: Nitro - Private Linux site. Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nitro.apana.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications under Windows95 please let me know how. Con. -- Con Tassios cpt@nitro.apana.org.au From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 22:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 19:28:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Date: 19 May 1995 22:28:31 GMT Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3pj62fINNnuu@newsman.murdoch.edu.au> References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , Ron Bollen wrote: >: But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. >This is a rather strange question to appear in the Kermit newsgroup. >Why are there are so many questions of like this? "I have a very >complicated setup and Kermit works perfectly, but I want to use Zmodem..." - I think because a number of modems sold with associated software (communication software) in which, Kermit transfer is not available. I don't know why ! >Kermit is good at these things because it is designed to be flexible. It is >independent of particular communications media. - When I first came to the world of modem and Internet 2 yrs ago, I tried a number of communication programs. After I tried Kermit, I liked it so much that I never use any others ... :)) Regards, Bi`nh. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson Perth, Western Australia Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 15:38:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:00:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Message-Id: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Date: 19 May 95 15:38:10 GMT Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) I used cslipper. Any idea ? Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 02:29:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:46:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu!ee!dpd From: dpd@ee.wustl.edu (David P. Discher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Help ... Date: 15 May 1995 02:29:39 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ee.wustl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I nee some help finding a new kermit program, I thought this newgroup looked like some out there can help me. I use C-Kermit (C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, SUNOS 4.x {if that info helps}) to transfer usually binary files from my SunUnix account to my local macintosh, now over a 28.8 Fax/Modem. I am looking for a kermit program on the Unix side to go to a packet-length longer that 2048. My Macintosh Kermit program will, so I assume that a Unix program will. This sould speed up transfers a bit. (By the way, the modems I dial into are only 14.4 v.42bis) I am trying to get every second out of the transfer. If there is something better than kermit to, please point me there. If there is a better newsgroup to post to, tell me, I get them all. And if there is a better kermit ... please point me that way ... one with an auto install shell(one that will install stuff for idiots, though I am not, I don't know the finer points of Unix). Also DON'T TRASH MY MAC. I've heard it all from the PC users (DOS users). ..... or most of it anyway. Thanks for give this your time ... One More thing ---- Please respond E-mail dpd@ee.wustl.edu -thanks. -- David P. Discher dpd@ee.wustl.edu http://www.ee.wustl.edu/~dpd/ "To be great is to be misunderstood ..." -Ralph Waldo Emerson,"Self-Reliance" From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 05:35:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 05:35:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: making APPEND default LOG SESSION behaviour? Date: 20 May 1995 03:59:37 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running C-Kermit 5A (190) under Unixware 1.1.2 and wonder if there's either a command I could put in the .kermrc or even a simple source code change that will make the default LOG SESSION behaviour APPEND? If one is logging onto a support bbs and capturing messages, there is a risk of not remembering to type APPEND every time and losing previously captured messages )-:. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:33:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 07:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 07:23:17 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!whoami-file-missing!caf From: caf@whoami-file-missing.uucp (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 10:33:16 GMT Message-Id: References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same >connection where Kermit works fine are: > > . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read > our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. For a second opinion, please get knewstru.zip from TeleGodzilla or the FTP site. After one has digested the information in knewstru.zip, the question of who is accurate may arise. Consider this: Frank da Cruz was invited to the Protocol Shootout described in knewstru.zip. The Protocol Shootout was held in public (references in knewstru.zip). On the other hand, neither Columbia University nor Frank da Cruz have given me the same courtesy. They have not answered my repeated challenges to repeat the so-called "True-Life Benchmarks" tests in public while allowing me to supervise the fairness and legitimacy of the testing. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 16:24:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 12:55:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 12:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14 with SCO UNIX DOS MERGE hangs Date: 20 May 1995 16:24:25 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I try to run kermit 3.14 under DOS MERGE, there is no screen response even if I start kermit with a null initialization file. I am starting dos with the command dos +adcom1 to give kermit hardware access to the com port. Why, you might ask, am I trying to run MS Kermit under DOS under UNIX when there is a perfectly good C-Kermit for SCO UNIX? The answer is that MS-Kermit has better support for Japanese, and my version of SCO UNIX supports DOS/V and Windows 3.1J under UNIX. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 19:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 15:43:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 15:43:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!viking.cris.com!Mskreis From: Mskreis@cris.com (Mark Kreisberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet D'load prob w/OS2 C-kermit Date: 20 May 1995 19:15:48 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: viking-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I'm using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) as a telnet client and am having problems when downloading files. Throughput is good initially (around 1200 cps for binary files) but often after some time has elapsed the transfer rate steadily decreases. I initially thought that the problem was from timing out and based on recommendations increased both the 'set receive timeout' and the 'set send timeout' parameters. I thought that this had solved the problem but I noticed the same slowdown the other day when downloading multiple files (app 2MB total) via get *. The transfer rate decreased by about 200% and yet no timeout was indicated. Any suggestions? Thanks Mark K From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 20:15:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 16:16:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 16:16:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet D'load prob w/OS2 C-kermit Date: 20 May 1995 20:15:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3plilq$1kf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com>, Mark Kreisberg wrote: >Hi > >I'm using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) as a telnet client and am having problems >when downloading files. Throughput is good initially (around 1200 cps >for binary files) but often after some time has elapsed the transfer rate >steadily decreases. I initially thought that the problem was from >timing out and based on recommendations increased both the 'set receive >timeout' and the 'set send timeout' parameters. I thought that this had >solved the problem but I noticed the same slowdown the other day when >downloading multiple files (app 2MB total) via get *. The transfer rate >decreased by about 200% and yet no timeout was indicated. Any suggestions? > There's a very strong possiblility that it is just network load. Especially if you are using a SLIP connection. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sat May 13 00:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 17:32:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 17:32:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Starting OS/2 Kermit from DOS batch file X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 00:05:40 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to start OS/2 C-Kermit from a DOS session BAT file, run a script, and then return to the calling point in the DOS batch file? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:11:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14 with SCO UNIX DOS MERGE hangs Message-Id: <1995May20.161132.51658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 95 16:11:31 MDT References: <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > When I try to run kermit 3.14 under DOS MERGE, there is no screen > response even if I start kermit with a null initialization file. > > I am starting dos with the command dos +adcom1 to give kermit > hardware access to the com port. > > Why, you might ask, am I trying to run MS Kermit under DOS under > UNIX when there is a perfectly good C-Kermit for SCO UNIX? The > answer is that MS-Kermit has better support for Japanese, and my > version of SCO UNIX supports DOS/V and Windows 3.1J under UNIX. ----------- It's DOS Merge. I tried the same thing with my UnixWare 2.01 machine and received the same session hang. I had to open another Telnet session to kill off items. True whether MS-DOS Kermit is run from the console or from across the net. Killing either of Merge's processes crt or tkbd clears up the matter. MSK is doing only very legit DOS and Bios work during startup (and throughout actually), no undocumented or cute tricks. Conclusion: Merge has problems. Perhaps the Locus folks will get this message and see if things can be fixed. [MSK does run fine with all versions of DOS 2 and above, in DOS boxes of OS/2, NT/Daytona, Windows 2&3, Windows 95, and with DESQview.] Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:14:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Message-Id: <1995May20.161441.51659@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 95 16:14:41 MDT References: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de writes: > Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all > the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. > Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) > I used cslipper. Any idea ? > > Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko ------- Heiko, I can't quite make out what you did do, and with what packages. If it's MS-DOS Kermit v3.14, the current release, then it works fine over SLIP. But you need to have your SLIP driver working properly and the other end of the wire needs to have its SLIP driver working well too. And the remote host has to route IP traffic for you. That is a lot of places where things can go wrong. Perhaps you can tell us the full details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 15:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 02:17:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 02:17:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!genmagic!rahul.net!a2i!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!news.claremont.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!draco.macsch.com!madrid!campbell From: doug.campbell@macsch.com (Doug Campbell) Subject: Long filenames Message-Id: Sender: campbell%madrid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Doug Campbell) Organization: PDA Engineering Distribution: pda Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:59:20 GMT Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a kermit available for DOS, NT or Win95 that supports long filname transfers? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 10:23:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 06:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 06:36:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> <3pgipc$9o7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:23:10 GMT Lines: 26 Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank and Joe, Thank you for your **VERY** timely responses. I just today bit on one of these RPI modems myself, and it took me most of the day to figure out what I have. The RPI bit is hidden out on the back of the box: "*Error Control* V.42 and MNP RPI software," and "*Data Compression* V.42bis RPI software." The box design is such that, unless you happen to already know what RPI is, you think you're getting a modem with MNP/ V.42 LAPM/V.42.bis compression built in. Truely deceptive. I had to 1) install the modem in my PC (I hope that doesn't invalidate the 30 day return policy of the place I bought it from!), 2) study the owner's manual and the Comit (comm program bundled with the modem) manual, and 3) spend some time in comp.dcom.modems before I realized what's going on. I was also about to ask about Kermit support for RPI modems (until I saw this thread), but with a difference: In comp.dcom.modems, I noticed some mention of RPI drivers (loaded from config.sys as device drivers, or as TSR's?), which supposedly can be used with any comm package. I was going to ask where such drivers could be found, and if they would be compaible with Kermit. That's what I *was* going to do. Now, I think I'll see if I can just return the cheezy thing, and inquire about the package, too. This isn't my first experience with Rockwell (they make power tools, too)... :-/ Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 12:20:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 08:59:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 08:59:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Message-Id: <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Date: 21 May 95 12:20:44 GMT References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 57 Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2799 comp.infosystems.www.users:27266 alt.hypertext:9568 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) writes: > >In article , monty@indirect.com says... >> >>From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >>connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >>packet driver. My powerful Toshiba T 1000 SE with Floppy (!) and D:\ Drive, should I buy me another 1 Meg ram-drive ?... > >Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can >be gotten. > >> I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >>establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >>elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >>Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >>having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). >> >>Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >>does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >>addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >>TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, > I think thats about Doslynx, UKansas... Has anybody seen the bitter comment on Cello..? Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... >The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as >Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that >Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously >haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of >the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be >well enough organized to allow this. > >>browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Somebody from Minuet annonced to me, that the next Version of this exellent Dos Programm, with nice gopher-client, will have a web-browser. Anyway, Minuet is our thing, never got Kermit via Slip to work. >You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested >interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems >to people. > >>If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! > >I'm a soloist, myself. > >>sincerely appreciated. TIA. > >No need for profanity here. > > Tralala. PS.: kermit.columbia.edu is terribly slow. Any mirrors ????? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 13:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 13:59:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 13:59:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: tbev@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SERIAL PC-to-SPARC PROBLEM(s) Date: Sun, 21 May 95 10:16:00 DT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tbev.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm a reasonably experienced KERMIT user and have successfully connected PC together via serial cables, but have encountered some problems when trying to link a PC to a Sparc station with a direct serial connection. Here's the context: I have MS-KERMIT 3.14 on my PC running WFW 3.11 and C-KERMIT (190) 5A on my Sparc running SUN OS 4.1.4. The db-25 male cable ends from both the PC and Sparc cables have each been individually (and successfully) connected to a modem and then Kermit used as a terminal to various BBS systems. This would seem to verify the integrity of the two computer cables as well as the respective Kermit to machine port paths. When trying to use Kermit to connect my PC to my Sparc I did the following: 1) I set both PC and Sparc kermits to 9600, modem=none/direc, and RTS/DTS. My PC is using COM2, my Sparc /etc/ttya. 2) I connected the two db-25/male cable ends from the PC and Sparc serial cables together with 1) a 25 pin straight through gender changer, i.e. a module having two female db-25 connectors wired pin-to-pin. I then ran connect on both machines but could never get them to connect. Furthermore, my PC kermit hung entirely while emitting a continous series of beeps. 3) Thinking I had wired both machines directly, I then added a null-modem adapter to te db-25 gender changer mentioned in (2) above. I got the same results. Any suggestions. Am I doing/omitting something really brain dead? Thanx in advance for any help. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 03:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 23:22:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 23:22:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Starting OS/2 Kermit from DOS batch file Date: 22 May 1995 03:22:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3pp01b$a1e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >Is there a way to start OS/2 C-Kermit from a DOS session BAT file, >run a script, and then return to the calling point in the DOS batch file? What happens when you try it? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 07:11:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 07:11:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 07:11:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!jac.zko.dec.com!i4get.enet.dec.com!henning From: henning@i4get.enet.dec.com (John L. Henning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NT kermit? Date: 22 MAY 95 06:49:13 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ppntb$88p@jac.zko.dec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: I4GET Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using "WIN100" V2.3 for the last year under Windows, and have been happy with it. The executable is dated 10/27/91, and the author is William S. Hall. After upgrading my 486 to Windows/NT this weekend, it seems to work fine, but has a side effect that it makes the screen savers run very slowly. (For example, "Starfield Simulation". Checking with Performance Monitor shows that the CPU is always 100% busy when it is running (even if iconified). Various attempts to write PIF files (something I've never attempted before) have not yet been successful. My question: is there something I should do to increase the compatibility between WIN100 and NT? Alternatively, assistance tracking down a newer WIN100 would be great (I got mine from a shareware CD). Thanks much /John Henning CSD Performance Group Digital Equipment Corporation henning@zko.dec.com Speaking for myself, not Digital From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 13:49:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:49:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get return code from C kermit? Date: 22 May 1995 13:49:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3pq4ph$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.olp> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: c kermit, exit code Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.olp>, Gordon Spoelhof wrote: : I am setting up a shell script on a Sun workstation which uploads and/or : downloads specific files from a PC client for a prototype application. : The C Kermit utility does not return an invalid exit code when the : transfer fails... : It should. The current version is 5A(190). Maybe you have an earlier version. If it doesn't send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 13:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:55:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: making APPEND default LOG SESSION behaviour? Date: 22 May 1995 13:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3pq54o$qvl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : I'm running C-Kermit 5A (190) under Unixware 1.1.2 and wonder : if there's either a command I could put in the .kermrc or even : a simple source code change that will make the default LOG SESSION : behaviour APPEND? : No, sorry. However, you can make a macro to use instead of "log session append", which also has the advantage of being shorter than the original LOG SESSION command. For example: define ALOG - if not def \%1 def \% ~/logs/session.log, - log session \%1 append So now "alog" by itself appends to your ~/logs/session.log file if there is one, or creates it if there isn't, and also allows you to specify a different file, as in "alog foo.log". Maybe we'll add a command to make "new" or "append" the default action for logs (on a per-log basis) in a future release. Thanks for the suggestion. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 14:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 10:05:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 10:05:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SERIAL PC-to-SPARC PROBLEM(s) Date: 22 May 1995 14:05:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3pq5mv$roq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I'm a reasonably experienced KERMIT user and have successfully connected PC : together via serial cables, but have encountered some problems when trying : to link a PC to a Sparc station with a direct serial connection. : : Here's the context: : : I have MS-KERMIT 3.14 on my PC running WFW 3.11 and C-KERMIT (190) 5A on my : Sparc running SUN OS 4.1.4. : : The db-25 male cable ends from both the PC and Sparc cables have each been : individually (and successfully) connected to a modem and then Kermit used as : a terminal to various BBS systems. This would seem to verify the integrity : of the two computer cables as well as the respective Kermit to machine port : paths. : : When trying to use Kermit to connect my PC to my Sparc I did the following: : : 1) I set both PC and Sparc kermits to 9600, modem=none/direc, and RTS/DTS. : My PC is using COM2, my Sparc /etc/ttya. : : 2) I connected the two db-25/male cable ends from the PC and Sparc serial : cables together with 1) a 25 pin straight through gender changer, i.e. : a module having two female db-25 connectors wired pin-to-pin. : This could never work. : 3) Thinking I had wired both machines directly, I then added a null-modem : adapter to te db-25 gender changer mentioned in (2) above. I got the : same results. : This should have made it work. The method for directly connecting two computers back to back is documented in detail in all three Kermit books, including diagrams, etc. The most common mistake, for me at least, is mistaking a gender changer for a null modem or vice versa -- many of mine are not labeled. Another common mistake is mistaking a modem cable for a terminal cable, but you already checked for that. Assuming your hookup is physically correct, I can only guess that you did not give the right sequence commands to C-Kermit. You should have given the following commands in exactly this order, as documented in "Using C-Kermit": set modem none set line /dev/ttya set speed 9600 set flow rts/cts set duplex half ; You need local echo for "chat" connections. set term newline on ; You also need this for chatting. connect Finally, if you want to log in on your Sun from the PC, then you have to enable logins on the Sun port. See your Sun documentation for how to do this. If you have any further trouble, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 20:35:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 16:35:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 16:35:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Help ... Date: 22 May 1995 20:35:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3pqsiq$5n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu>, David P. Discher wrote: : I use C-Kermit (C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, SUNOS 4.x {if that info helps}) : to transfer usually binary files from my SunUnix account to my local : macintosh, now over a 28.8 Fax/Modem. I am looking for a kermit program : on the Unix side to go to a packet-length longer that 2048. : Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 01:47:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 22:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 22:48:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!wbresler From: wbresler@netcom.com (William Bresler) Subject: Problems with OS/2 ckermit 5A(191) and AIX Message-Id: Summary: Telneting to an AIX box connects but does not display anything. Keywords: AIX telnet OS/2 kermit Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 01:47:10 GMT Lines: 28 Sender: wbresler@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using OS/2 ckermit for quite some time, especially for telnet connections, into many differnet systems, without any problems. Until now. I have just inherited an RS/6000 running AIX (downlevel at 3.2.0). I needed to telnet into it to kill a runaway X server process, so I fired up ckermit 5A(191) golden, and it looked like it connected, but nothing appeared on the screen. Characters I entered were displayed, but nothing coming from the AIX end was displayed. I turned on terminal debug and the signon panel displayed. I then turned off debug, and everything seemed normal. Obviously, there must be some setting which is needed, but is not a ckermit default, but I can't seem to find it. Any ideas or suggestions? BTW, both character mode and PM telnet from the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 base kit work correctly without changing any settings. I also want to thank Jeffrey Altman for including SOCKS support in the latest build. I finally can break through our corporate firewall, and with his special telnet stub, can even get WebExplorer to do the same with telnet links. Many thanks. Any help on the above problem greatly appreciated. -- ============================================================= William Bresler Internet: wbresler@netcom.com PAR Microsystems Corp. Phone: (404) 448-6135 3770 Data Drive Suite B FAX: (404) 368-4152 Norcross, GA USA 30092 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 06:23:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 02:23:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 02:23:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with OS/2 ckermit 5A(191) and AIX Date: 23 May 1995 06:23:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3prv12$36n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: AIX telnet OS/2 kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William Bresler wrote: >I have been using OS/2 ckermit for quite some time, especially for telnet >connections, into many differnet systems, without any problems. Until now. >I have just inherited an RS/6000 running AIX (downlevel at 3.2.0). I >needed to telnet into it to kill a runaway X server process, so I fired up >ckermit 5A(191) golden, and it looked like it connected, but nothing >appeared on the screen. Characters I entered were displayed, but nothing >coming from the AIX end was displayed. Its probably the default terminal type on the AIX server. Be sure it is set to VTxxx something and not one of IBM's proprietary hacks. >I turned on terminal debug and the signon panel displayed. I then turned >off debug, and everything seemed normal. Obviously, there must be some >setting which is needed, but is not a ckermit default, but I can't seem to >find it. Any ideas or suggestions? BTW, both character mode and PM telnet >from the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 base kit work correctly without changing any >settings. That's because IBM supports their own private terminal emulations. Check the terminal type in use with PM Telnet after making the connection. >I also want to thank Jeffrey Altman for including SOCKS support in the >latest build. I finally can break through our corporate firewall, and with >his special telnet stub, can even get WebExplorer to do the same with >telnet links. Many thanks. You are welcome. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 14:25:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 10:26:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 10:25:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MAIL command of MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 23 May 1995 14:25:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3psr9a$8es@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John D. Tucker wrote: : Under MSKERMIT version 3.13 (patch level 21), I could issue a command of : mail c:\$temp$\bmail.* john.tucker@wmich.edu : and all BMAIL files would be mailed. The BMAIL files would be parts : 1 to N parts of a UUENCODED binary. This works successfully. : : Under MSKERMIT version 3.14 (patch level 3), issuing the same command : results in a report of all parts being successfully mailed but : only part 1 is received. : This appears to be a bug in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It will be fixed either in a patch or, if that is not possible, in the next release. Meanwhile, you can work around it like this: set count \ffiles(c:\$temp$\bmail.*) assign \%i 1 :loop mail c:\$temp$\bmail.\%i fdc increment \%i if count goto loop finish to send bmail.1 through bmail.n. The other Kermit must be in server mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 22:09:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 19:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 19:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Jeff Richard <75032.3356@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol for bbs use? Date: 21 May 1995 22:09:11 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am pretty new to this news groups so bare with me if I am not following the typical trend... I need to set up kermit on a DOS based bbs and have it do batch and single file transfers.... Is this possiable with MSKERMIT? If not does anyone know of a external Kermit protocol? It will be operating on a Syncrhronet bbs system that uses the typical batch file that contains locations and file names of files to send and receive. Thanx in advance to anyone who canhelp! From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 12:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 23:11:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 23:11:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Underline Color! Message-Id: <1995May23.184650.52006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 May 95 18:46:50 MDT References: <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Okay, I tried posting this about two weeks ago, but I think it got lost > in the shuffle. > > I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14 patch level 3 to connect to a unix host. > I've got the following lines in my mscustom.ini: > > set term color 10,37,44 > set term under 1,33,44 > > So, everyone can assume that I use a blue on white screen on a vga > monitor and I want my underlined characters to be bright yellow on > blue. > > However, that's not the behavior I get from set term under. It sets > the color to yellow on blue (this means that it comes up brown looking > on blue). > > It's like it doesn't interpret the 1 at the beginning of the string. > > But here's the really unusual part. If I go back to the MS-Kermit> > prompt after I've connected and I type the command in by hand, the > colors come out as typed in! > > Am I missing something, or is this a bug in the way it's determining > the colors? ------------ It's not a bug that I know of, and it works fine here. But let me add some things to consider at your end. Intensity during terminal emulation tries to follow your DOS screen, in that a DOS bold white on blue screen shows the remote host text also bold white on blue unless the host says otherwise. That's equivalent to DEC dim white on black, or DEC "normal." If the host says do a bold operation then MSK flips intensity and you see dim but that's now DEC "bold." All this to look nice initially. So the results depend on how you got started and what the host said as well as what you said. [This reads like one of those intelligence tests where Mary is 5 years older than Jane was before Jane stopped counting.] The other mention is it could be that screen color sequencing in your startup files overrides the lines you added, so try moving yours around to double check. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 18:40:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 02:02:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 02:02:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Underline Color! Date: 23 May 1995 14:40:34 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I tried posting this about two weeks ago, but I think it got lost in the shuffle. I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14 patch level 3 to connect to a unix host. I've got the following lines in my mscustom.ini: set term color 10,37,44 set term under 1,33,44 So, everyone can assume that I use a blue on white screen on a vga monitor and I want my underlined characters to be bright yellow on blue. However, that's not the behavior I get from set term under. It sets the color to yellow on blue (this means that it comes up brown looking on blue). It's like it doesn't interpret the 1 at the beginning of the string. But here's the really unusual part. If I go back to the MS-Kermit> prompt after I've connected and I type the command in by hand, the colors come out as typed in! Am I missing something, or is this a bug in the way it's determining the colors? Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 07:57:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 05:12:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 05:12:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!tlw From: tlw@bris.ac.uk (Tim Whitlock) Subject: MSkermit send problem.... Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: cobra.ccr.bris.ac.uk Reply-To: tlw@ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 07:57:23 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using MSKermit 3.13 successfully for some time to send files from my Toshiba portable to a ISC Unix box running C-Kermit until the other night when I tried to send a file it appeared to transmit one packet of data to the Unix box and then failed saying can not read file. Trying to use TYPE to look at the file produced a Sharing Violation error and the usual Abort Retry etc. Perhaps its because share is installed me thinks and so I remove it....but I get the same error except I can now type the file from in kermit. Perhaps its the file I think so I try few others in various directories all with the same result. Upto this point I had already successfully transmitted files with no problem. I now find this situation appears to be permanent in that I always get this when I transmit from PC to Unix. The system still receives OK. The only time previously I have had similar problems was when I tried sending files from a floppy using the harddisk cured this. Can anyone offer any clues as to why this should suddenly occur and how I might correct this problem. Thanks in advance Tim Whitlock From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 07:52:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 06:03:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 06:03:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!knmi.nl!usenet From: vdberg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Z-modem in Kermit Date: 24 May 1995 07:52:52 GMT Organization: KNMI, de Bilt, The Netherlands Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3puokk$s6@bdyis1.knmi.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: btp069.knmi.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hello everyone, We have a small (big) problem. Recently we acquired a Netblazer system with Telebit modems as a modempool. This modem pool is reacheable via our LAN and from an Ultrix system we can do a 'TELNET' to this modempool. With Kermit this works fine, but some of our users still want to communicate with a Z-modem protocol. Now there is our problem, because we cannot find a xyz-modem application which supports a telnet to the Netblazer on an Ultrix (or OSF1) machine. It should be possible, however, to use a Z-modem protocol under Kermit and do a redirect of input and output. The only restriction is that the version of the Z-modem protocol should be a pre-1988 version. I have been looking around in many places, but up to now I did not encounter such a version. Is there anyone who could tell me: - where I can find such a version of the Z-modem protocol - who has had similar problems a modem pool and Z-modem (for Ultrix and OSF1) Please let me know. Kees van den Berg From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 08:40:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:36:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 09:19:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!argus!bll From: bll@argus.mh.nl (Ron Bollen) Subject: Using Z-modem in C-kermit. Message-Id: Organization: Multihouse Automatisering b.v. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 08:40:34 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Is it possible to use an alternative filetranferprotocol in c-kermit (190)? I want to transfer files using z-modem in stead of kermit as a filetransfer protocol? My DECsystem has rz/sz installed and filetranfer using the commands is possible but i want to create a scriptfile for c-kermit, (so a batch-procedure is possible) and use z-modem as a filetranfer! Who has tried this before? Ron ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ Ron Bollen E-Mail: bll@mh.nl Technisch Specialist Tel: +31-1820-62722 Multihouse Networking, Doesburgweg 7, 2800 AT Gouda, The Netherlands ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 14:39:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:49:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol for bbs use? Date: 24 May 1995 14:39:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3pvgft$lds@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Jeff Richard <75032.3356@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >I am pretty new to this news groups so bare with me if I am not following >the typical trend... I need to set up kermit on a DOS based bbs and have >it do batch and single file transfers.... Is this possiable with >MSKERMIT? If not does anyone know of a external Kermit protocol? It >will be operating on a Syncrhronet bbs system that uses the typical batch >file that contains locations and file names of files to send and receive. > As of version 3.14, MS-DOS Kermit is perfectly suitable as an external protocol for BBS software, and there is even a small-size Kermit module specifically intended for that purpose, called Kermit Lite. See the relevent articles in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html And see the BBS Operators Guide in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Every Sysop of every DOS-based BBS in the world is welcome and encouraged to install Kermit Lite as its Kermit protocol. Makers of BBS software may also contact us for licensing the Kermit module. Note that this is the real thing -- the most advanced, robust, and high-performance Kermit implementation available for PCs. There is no longer any reason for BBS's to lack Kermit protocol or to suffer with a substandard or buggy implementation of it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 16:59:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 16:19:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 16:19:52 -0400 Date: 24 May 1995 16:59:38 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: 2024543.42663942@columbia.edu(Your Lifetime Health Planner) Newsgroups: control,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs Sender: 2024543.42663942@columbia.edu (Your Lifetime Health Planner) Approved: trasoff@rtd.com Message-Id: Control: cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> News-Posting-Software: Cyberspam Subject: cmsg cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 23:32:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 19:32:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 19:32:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 24 May 1995 23:32:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some minor corrections have been made to MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in the form of patches, new executables, and documentation. Thanks, as always, to Professor Joe Doupnik for this work. Please note that there is nothing earth-shaking here. Most of the problems corrected were reported by only one or two people, so they all qualify as obscure. The new files are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos. The binary files are: kermit.exe - New full-featured Kermit program with ARP correction. kermit_p.exe - Ditto, but with Portuguese file-transfer screen legends. The text files are: READ.ME - Reproduced below, so you don't have to ftp it. ms*.pch - The various patch files. These corrections will be folded into the base product after a period of public testing. So please test and send results to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks! Here is the READ.ME file: MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 UPDATES Wed May 24 19:22:09 1995 These files are updates to the release product MS-DOS Kermit v3.14, dated 18 Jan 1995. There are two classes of changes in these files. The first is an updated patch file for each program of the MS-DOS Kermit suite, and the second is a modified executable for the regular (KERMIT.EXE) and the Portuguese (KERMIT_P.EXE) full products. The executables are modified to correct a TCP/IP networking problem in ensuring ARP response packets have the local hardware address included, causing some hosts (not very many of them) to reject the reply. Due to the structure of the code, the problem could not be patched and required issuing a new executable (one each for the English and Portuguese versions). If you had problems making TCP/IP connections from Kermit, you should pick up the new executable. It still bears the version number 3.14, but is dated 21 May 95. PATCHES Patches apply to both the 18 January and the 21 May executables: Patch file For executable MSR314.PCH KERMIT.EXE Full version MSRM314.PCH KERMITE.EXE Medium version MSRL314.PCH KERLITE.EXE Lite version MSRP314.PCH KERMIT_P.EXE Full version, Portuguese legends The patches are as follows: 1. Optional Orchid Designer Professional VGA board video-mode patch. Allows patching in the appropriate video mode, since different models use different modes, but identify themselves the same way to Kermit. 2. Fix for file names given on the command line in the -F option (alternate initialization file) not always being parsed correctly. 3. VT220/320 terminal emulator patch for correctly recognizing OSC and PM sequences. Without this patch, such sequences (which are rarely used) could cause Kermit to hang until reset. 4. Patch to prevent MS-DOS Kermit from improperly encoding its response to the A packet. The most notable symptom was failure to properly receive RESENDs. 5. Patch to the READ command to prevent it from improperly treating "-" at the end of a line as a continuation character. 6. Patch for TES networking: preserve TES LAT ID around restarts. 7. Optional patch for Hebrew-model VT100 terminal emulation. Described below. 8. Patch to make the MAIL command once again work properly when sending multiple files. Without this patch, the MAIL command only works for one file; e.g. "mail foo.*" would send all foo.* files, but only the first one would be mailed; the rest would disappear. THE HEBREW PATCH Certain applications are hardcoded for the DEC Hebrew-model VT100 terminal, and can't use Kermit's VT420-level Hebrew features. Reportedly, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14's interpretation of the Hebrew VT100 was incorrect. Diagnosis: ESC ) 1 selects the "Alternate ROM" character set. When this is Hebrew, it also has the side effect of switching writing direction to right-to-left, but Kermit didn't do this. ESC ) B switches back to ASCII, and resets screen writing to left-to-right. Cure: Enable Patch 7 but uncommenting it (i.e. remove the semicolon from the front of each line). Do NOT enable patch 7 if you do not require VT100-level Hebrew, because other Alternate ROMs do not have this same side effect. In the next release, we will add a SET COMMAND to control the Alternate ROM side effects. Patch 7 is available only for KERMIT.EXE because it is a difficult patch to create. If there is a strong need then a patch can be created for Portuguese and Medium versions. PROBLEM RECEIVING RESENDS If MS-DOS Kermit has its FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE, it won't be able to receive RESENDs as advertised. Instead, it will refuse the RESEND with "Refused: Date". This problem is too complex to be patched, and so a workaround must be used, one of the following: . MS-DOS Kermit's FILE COLLISION should be set to OVERWRITE when receiving RESENDs. Or: . Tell MS-DOS Kermit or the other Kermit to SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF when RESENDing. For example, here is a macro that can be used in place of RESEND in C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to get around this problem: define XRESEND set attr date off, - resend \%1 \%2, - assign \%9 \v(status), - set attr date on, - end \%9 A fix will appear in the next release. (End) From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 19:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:09:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:09:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.004418.93710@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 25 May 95 00:44:18 CDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : "unknown hardware for port, using..." : - or - : "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" I see this every time I use Trumpet Winsock on the port. If Kermit is the first thing I use, it's fine. If I start Trumpet Winsock, exit, then try Kermit, I see the above message. Just exit from Kermit and restart it. It's not Kermit's fault, it's the way that Windows handles serial ports. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 20:26:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:34:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:34:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 24 May 1995 16:26:08 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our users will get a message similar to either of these below: "unknown hardware for port, using..." - or - "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" Please note... 1) the same script will work fine when run under DOS without these messages. 2) we are running Kermit via the .PIF file provided with the software (unmodified). 3) I cannot personally reproduce the above but several of our users now have come to me with the same problem (so I can no longer dismiss them as nuts!). Any ideas? Many thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 Bethlehem, PA internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 14:27:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:37:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:37:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:27:46 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our : users will get a message similar to either of these below: : "unknown hardware for port, using..." When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 02:54:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 12:06:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 12:06:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May25.085446.52214@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 08:54:46 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel>, pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) writes: > In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >> It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the >> Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, >> seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, >> things get even worse). >> > > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE > caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it > fixed the problem. > > Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me > would really, really rather not know at all. ----------- Lacking a laptop computer and all the fun associated with them I must restrict myself to guesses. But if I were writing a Power.exe program I'd hook interrupts left, right, and center. Then I'd grab the timer tick interrupt (Int 8). Each "interesting" interrupt would pass through my code, I'd get the time of day (slow) and update a time of last use table, and then pass on the interrupt to the previous owner. The keyboard would be in that chain too, and DOS itself polls the heck out of the keyboard (to which we've added our overhead now). Each of these interceptions is at interrupt level and typically has interrupt recognition turned off to prevent total disaster. Int 8 ticks 18.2 times/sec. Windows uses interesting interrupts at an incredible rate. Excellent programmers can pull off these stunts with little overhead; other folks plod along. Add screen saver busywork, add DOS PRINT spooler cpu hogging, add SMARTDRIVE cpu hogging, MOUSE driver polling, delays changing between real and protected mode (above 1MB stuff) and here we are: a 486 working at XT 8088 speeds. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 18:47:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 14:47:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 14:47:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 25 May 1995 18:47:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3q2jcf$rpj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thomas David Nichols wrote: >jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > >: We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything >: works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our >: users will get a message similar to either of these below: > >: "unknown hardware for port, using..." > >When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the >second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have >used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your >mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS >and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to >branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. >-- >David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems Windows and/or Windows communications programs tamper with the PC BIOS, where Kermit goes to find out what ports are available and what their addresses (and IRQs) are. The solution to this problem is to supply this information to Kermit yourself. Here is a macro you can use to set your port under Windows. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is required. define PORT - if not = \v(argc) 2 end 1 Port number required, - if not = 0 \findex(:\%1:,:1:2:3:4:) forward PORT\%1, - end 1 \%1 - bad port number, - :PORT1, set com1 \x03f8 4, set port 1, end \v(status), - :PORT2, set com2 \x02f8 3, set port 2, end \v(status), - :PORT3, set com3 \x03e8 4, set port 3, end \v(status), - :PORT4, set com4 \x02e8 3, set port 4, end \v(status) Put this macro definition in your MSCUSTOM.INI file and then just tell Kermit "port 1", "port 2", "port 3", or "port 4" instead of "set port 1", etc, and everything should work as expected. IMPORTANT: The addresses and IRQs are the most common ones, but they are not going to work on every machine. PS/2s have different addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4. Many add-on cards -- especially internal modems -- might use different IRQs altogether, like 5. Again, see KERMIT.BWR for the gruesome details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 16:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 18:03:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 18:03:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: "Steven W. Layten" Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995May25.161531.13230@chemabs.uucp> To: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:15:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Lines: 42 jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > >Hello, > > We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS > everything >works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our >users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > - or - > > "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" > [other stuff deleted] I've seen the same on my home machine - a dx2-66 with an internal supra faxmodem v.32bis. I always get that message when trying to start ms-kermit AFTER an incoming call has come on my line. There appears to be something about the modem trying to send the "RING" indicator, but no application active to get it. When kermit starts, then, it cannot verify the modem properly, and decides that it must use BIOS1 instead of talking directly to the modem. If I tell kermit to "set com2 (address) (irq)" and "set port 2", then things seem to be okay again. I don't have a fix -- just this work-around. I've defined the above as a macro, and if I see the above messages (cannot use RTS/CTS, etc.), then I interrupt the dialing, run my macro, and re-do the dial command. Hope this helps. Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Research Scientist Chemical Abstracts Service PO BOX 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org FAX: +1 614 447 3813 # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 14:46:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 21:45:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 21:45:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Date: 24 May 95 14:46:29 GMT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the > Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, > seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, > things get even worse). > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it fixed the problem. Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me would really, really rather not know at all. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 09:34:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 22:32:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 22:31:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!news From: mark@rtd.com (Mark Beeson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Control: cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Date: 24 May 1995 09:34:27 GMT Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 8 Approved: mark@rtd.com Message-Id: <3puuj3$2fo@baygull.rtd.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a perl-generated script that is cancelling spam from trasoff@rtd.com. --Mark -- Mark Beeson | Same Broken (MB178) President, Neural InterNetworking "I've seen the enemy, and the enemy is me." -- Sister Machine Gun URL: here. - If you have to ask, you'll never know. - From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 00:59:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 23:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 23:12:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.065907.52210@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 06:59:07 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@Lehigh.EDU writes: > > Hello, > > We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything > works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our > users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > - or - > > "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" > > Please note... > > 1) the same script will work fine when run under DOS without these > messages. > > 2) we are running Kermit via the .PIF file provided with the software > (unmodified). > > 3) I cannot personally reproduce the above but several of our users > now have come to me with the same problem (so I can no longer dismiss > them as nuts!). -------------- The messages indicate that Kermit found the serial port to be slightly distasteful and it did not pass inspection. Windows is emulating the serial port hardware and thus there exist problems in the client's Windows configuration. That leaves a great many Windows items to explore, plus checking that the underlying hardware is really free of conflicts. I wish I had a short list of things to check, but it comes down to "Windows" items. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 13:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 02:43:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 02:43:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 / ODI / Token Ring Date: 24 May 1995 14:24:36 +0100 Organization: The Children's Society Lines: 13 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <801317419snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has ANYONE in the world SUCESSFULLY managed to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work using ODI drivers on a Token Ring Network. Using the SAME script files worked perfectly with version 3.13, and if I load the ODITRPKT shim then it works fine. I've email JRD and neither of us can see anything wrong with my NET.CFG but if anyone else has any idea or if you HAVE suceeded please let me know. I'd like to upgrade but since it won't work... Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 13:53:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 07:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 07:25:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 19:53:10 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: > jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > > : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything > : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our > : users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > : "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the > second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have > used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your > mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS > and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to > branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. ------------ Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 10:49:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 17:01:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 17:01:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!emory!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU From: "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Date: 26 MAY 95 15:49:02 EST Organization: The University of Georgia Lines: 8 Sender: usenet@music.cc.uga.edu Message-Id: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. My local site at UGA only has the Beta version. I would greatly appreciate any help someone could give me in finding the final version. Thanks, Brian A. Clark From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 14:47:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 21:05:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 21:05:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!keith From: Dr Keith Howells Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit cron job Date: 26 May 1995 15:47:37 +0100 Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department Lines: 36 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 X-Posting-Host: roentgen.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any assistance with the following problem would be greatly appreciated. I have written a command file to automate connection to a remote computer for a specific period in order to allow collection of mail. The command file works fine if I run it thus: kermit kermit_command_file from the command line, hanging up at the end and exiting kermit, but will not run as cron job. The error: ------ Your "cron" job kermit blah > /home/me/junk produced the following output: sh: 25421 Memory fault - core dumped -------- is mailed to me. I have tried running the command from a shell script with all the environmental variables - still no luck. Redirecting the standard output as above does not help either. Is this because I am not invoking kermit with the correct flags in the cron job so that it does not have to be connected to a terminal? Is my command script lacking some essential set command that is required when not invoked from a terminal? Any help and suggestions would be gratefully received. I'm using C-Kermit 5A for SunOs 4.1. Regards Keith. -- Keith Howells email: keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Department of Diagnostic Radiology, Wansbeck General Hospital Ashington, Northumberland, UK From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 04:56:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 27 May 1995 16:50:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 27 May 1995 16:49:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 26 May 1995 04:56:42 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3q3n2a$j7u@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: :>In article , helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: :>> jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: :>> :>> : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything :>> : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our :>> : users will get a message similar to either of these below: :>> :>> : "unknown hardware for port, using..." :>> :>> When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the :>> second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have :>> used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your :>> mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS :>> and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to :>> branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. :>------------ :> Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because :>MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an :>artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a :>bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might :>help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. :> Joe D. I'm still using msk3.13 and first noticed this problem with the advent of 3.13. Assuming that this is a carryover from 3.13 to 3.14 there seems to be a pretty consistent behavior pattern on my PC that I hope might provide clues as to what is going on here. My configuration is a Gateway 2000 486/33C with and external USR Sportster 14.4 modem. What I see is that the port check never fails if 1. The modem is powered up BEFORE the system unit is booted 2. I don't power up the modem until AFTER I launch Kermit Conversely the port check fails more often than not if I power up the modem after I boot the system unit but before I launch Kermit. -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Sat May 27 19:04:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 02:39:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 02:39:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:04:12 GMT Lines: 41 Sender: helios@netcom7.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Date: 25 May 1995 18:47:43 GMT >Windows and/or Windows communications programs tamper with the PC BIOS, >where Kermit goes to find out what ports are available and what their >addresses (and IRQs) are. The solution to this problem is to supply this >information to Kermit yourself. Here is how I test in MSCUSTOM.INI. The reset operation has never helped. The error occurs only after I use the CompuServe Information Manager for Windows, then run Kermit in a full-screen window. In the PIF, I set exclusive execution, lock application memory, retain video memory, video memory text, 512 kbytes requested. (I see I've overlooked emulate text.) This allows Kermit to run almost fast enough to keep up with a 14.4 kbps modem with compression. There's never a problem running Kermit outside of Windows. set modem intel14 ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. ; set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again}, - set com4 \x2e8 3, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Date: 25 May 95 19:53:10 MDT > Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because >MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an >artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a >bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might >help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. I'm using wvxcomm.drv dated 4-1-93 12:14a. I could not reach netlab2 by anonymous ftp. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 20:03:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 07:06:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 07:06:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Date: 26 May 1995 20:03:14 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3q5c62$er5@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" writes: > I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu; look in kermit/a. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 11:53:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 15:24:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 15:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Message-Id: <1995May26.175333.52475@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 May 95 17:53:33 MDT References: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" writes: > Hello, > I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. My local > site at UGA only has the Beta version. I would greatly appreciate any > help someone could give me in finding the final version. > Thanks, > > Brian A. Clark ----------------- Quick start kit: binary file msvibm.zip in dir kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. Please, tell your people NEVER POST BETAS! Please, Never. Not only are customers mislead and bothered, but the folks in the Kermit Project are left dealing with the aftermath, and we don't enjoy that. Have a nice long holidy weekend, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 17:25:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 02:14:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 02:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: Yao-Chiang Kan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Date: 28 May 1995 17:25:01 GMT Organization: Case Center, Engeering College Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex3-62.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, there: I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. Please help me if you know how to set it up. Thnak you very much. Kan kan@egr.msu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 18:35:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 04:14:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 04:14:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!not-for-mail From: jh@germany.eu.net (Joerg Heitkoetter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for remote software configuration? Date: 28 May 1995 20:35:15 +0200 Organization: EUnet Deutschland GmbH, Research & Development Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3qafp3$qi1@Germany.EU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazz.germany.eu.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear folks, I would like to get in contact with people who have used Kermit for remote configuration purposes, more specifically, I want to have your opinion on the usefulness of Kermit for the following (special) purpose: I have a Kermit server (actually a whole bunch of servers behind a modem rack) for customers that have received an Internet access kit, and now want to register with us... So the story goes like this: after purchasing an IAK you unpack the software on your PC/Mac/Linux box/whatever and start a registration client; this client prompts you for some information, that begins with your name, and ends with your (hopefully valid) credit card information; then you press the "send" button, and a modem connection is established from the PC to an Internet provider's registration server; this server checks in the infos the client sends; (e.g., credit card validity); and from a set of generic configuration files, it creates a bunch of special purpose configuration files that are then copied onto your hard disk; you can now re-boot your machine (if it's a PC), and use the IAK to "surf" the Internet. C'est ca. * Now--What's the deal? Well--more and more Internet Access Kits (IAK) providers realize that an initial installation via a simple dial-in connection is the easiest way to pre-install their software with an Internet provider's (IP) set-up; e.g. the provider's DNS server address, POP server, local phone numbers for various POPs (points of presence/dial-in nodes), et cetera. (e.g. NetManges' Automatic Internet, that comes with their latest Chameleon IAK). * What's the problem? All of these IAK provider's systems use their own configuration protocol, hence they are incompatible. As an Internet provider, we would like to see a general purpose solution to this remote configuration problem. (Otherwise we would have to set up dozens of servers for various IAKs...) * What's Kermit gotta do with it? Personally, I would like to see such a solution being realized on "top" of the Kermit protocol being released either as a freeware or low-fee solution, for various reasons; I think the top two points are: (a) a relatively short developmental effort, since Kermit is more than well-tested; it would only need some macro programming on the client and server side. (b) Kermit runs on almost any OS, hence, remote configuration would be possible due to portability for all these OSs; not only for a single OS, like today's special purpose solutions. * Drawbacks? The only drawback I could think of would be (a) the legal problems that arise iff IAK providers would bundle Kermit versions wih their kits without prior checking with the Kermit Software, i.e. Columbia U; or (b) is the "Kermit community" at large (or FdC in particular) is uninterested in this idea. Thanx in advance for your comments! -- Have fun, -joke ====== ____ == Jvrg Heitkvtter ===== / / / __ __ _/_ === Research & Development ==== /---- / / / ) /___) / ==== EUnet Deutschland GmbH === /____ (___/ / / (___ ( ===== Emil-Figge-Str. 80, D-44227 Dortmund == ====== Tel/Fax +49-231-972 -00/-1111 "Failure is perhaps our most taboo subject." --John Gall, "Systemantics" From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 22:41:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:37:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:37:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 28 May 1995 18:41:43 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What we have diagnosed in this "unable to find hardware, using BIOS" situation is that it's a timing related thing. If we try to access the port via a SET PORT command or a CONNECT right after Kermit starts up, it fails fairly reliably. But if we wait two or three seconds after Kermit starts, the connection works just fine. It looks for all the world as if Windows is just taking to long to "let go" of the serial port (or initialize its emulation). The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. So what we finally did, for those machines where this happens (and it happens by no means to all of them) is insert a "Press RETURN to continue" message at the beginning of the MSKERMIT.INI file, which seems to provide enough time for Windows to do whatever it needs to do for Kermit's SET PORT command to work. I thought about just writing a counting loop, but decided it wasn't worth the hassle since I would have to worry about the relative speed of the machine to make sure it didn't take too long on slow machines, but didn't complete too quickly (before SET PORT would work) for fast ones. - John W. Manly Amherst College From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 06:38:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 13:50:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 13:50:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 95 12:38:13 MDT References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Yao-Chiang Kan writes: > Hi, there: > I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office > pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun > machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might > because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. > Please help me if you know how to set it up. ----------- 3270's are vastly different animals than VTxxx's. Don't even try it. See if your IBM mainframe has a VT100 class entry point and go from there. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 21:32:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:12:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:12:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!news From: avdpeijl@inter.nl.net Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-7.amsterdam.nl.net Message-Id: Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Reply-To: avdpeijl@inter.nl.net Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:32:00 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everybody, I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: - packetlength 94 - no linking shift (or something simular) - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) - file type binary (of course) The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad packets). When I run the program, I get: "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is invalid" (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). Anybody any idea? Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 15:21:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 21:59:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 21:59:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 29 May 1995 11:21:51 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3qcoqf$4km@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu>, jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) writes: |> ... good explanation deleted ... |> |> The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT |> command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those |> commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't |> there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. |> |> ... more good stuff deleted ... John would the SLEEP command added in v3.14 work where PAUSE/WAIT do not? The kermit.upd file describes SLEEP, "like PAUSE, but does not sample the communications device." This sounds like it might be just the ticket. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 12:43:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 03:24:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 03:24:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May28.184313.52593@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 95 18:43:13 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu>, jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) writes: > What we have diagnosed in this "unable to find hardware, using BIOS" > situation is that it's a timing related thing. If we try to access the port > via a SET PORT command or a CONNECT right after Kermit starts up, it fails > fairly reliably. But if we wait two or three seconds after Kermit starts, > the connection works just fine. It looks for all the world as if Windows > is just taking to long to "let go" of the serial port (or initialize its > emulation). > > The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT > command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those > commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't > there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. > > So what we finally did, for those machines where this happens (and it happens > by no means to all of them) is insert a "Press RETURN to continue" message > at the beginning of the MSKERMIT.INI file, which seems to provide enough time > for Windows to do whatever it needs to do for Kermit's SET PORT command to > work. I thought about just writing a counting loop, but decided it wasn't > worth the hassle since I would have to worry about the relative speed of > the machine to make sure it didn't take too long on slow machines, but didn't > complete too quickly (before SET PORT would work) for fast ones. > > - John W. Manly Amherst College ----------- I repeated the exercise here too. I happen to use a Hayes ESP serial board with its Windows drivers. Two observations. First, indeed Windows declines to cooperate in sampling the serial port for IBM-PC-UART-ness during the first attempt. My system says MSK can't validate the IRQ for COM1. Secondly, PAUSE opens the serial port because the command was designed to work with modem scripts and thus keep echoed material showing on the screen. SLEEP does the same waiting without touching the comms channel. Then, both PAUSE and SLEEP do work fine in a Kermit startup file. What you stated as zipping right through was really Windows starting Kermit from some gosh awful place, such as \Windows, and MSK never saw it's initialization file(s). Verify by SHOW MACRO or SHOW VARIABLE to see only the built-ins, or stick in a ECHO HELLO in a startup file. The way I force Windows to let MSK startup normally is in the MSK PIF file I add the phrase -f drive\path\mskermit.ini (choose your favorite file) in the "startup options" box. That is the command line passed to MSK and then MSK knows how to find the file(s) at startup time. Thus, there are at least two things happening here. One is the mysterious startup directory available to Kermit, solved by stating the fully qualified name of the startup file on the line which invokes Kermit. The other is Windows appears to be sitting on the serial port until bumped hard twice. You may want to experiment with serial port settings in win.ini to see if Windows can be told to stay away from the port. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 13:08:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:09:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:08:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cron job Date: 30 May 1995 13:08:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qf5d8$544@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dr Keith Howells wrote: : : I have written a command file to automate connection to a remote : computer for a specific period in order to allow collection of : mail. The command file works fine if I run it thus: : : kermit kermit_command_file : : from the command line, hanging up at the end and exiting : kermit, but will not run as cron job. The error: : ------ : Your "cron" job : : kermit blah > /home/me/junk : : produced the following output: : : sh: 25421 Memory fault - core dumped : -------- : is mailed to me. : I have tried running the command from a shell script with all the : environmental variables - still no luck. Redirecting the : standard output as above does not help either. : ... : I'm using C-Kermit 5A for SunOs 4.1. : C-Kermit is supposed to run correctly in cron jobs without any special handling other than redirecting stdout. It does here, and under the same operating system as you are using (but possibly at a different revision and/or patch level). Please send email directly to kermit.columbia.edu stating the exact C-Kermit version number, the last hundred lines or so of the debug.log file (include "-d" on the command line), and, if possible, a traceback from the core file. By the way, the current release of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 13:55:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 30 May 1995 13:55:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3qf84e$abg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone- : aged version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit : 3.14 I tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: : - packetlength 94 : - no linking shift (or something simular) : - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) : - file type binary (of course) : : The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), : found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad : packets). : : When I run the program, I get: "error activating image zip.exe" and : "image header description length is invalid" (in this example I uploaded : unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). : : Anybody any idea? : Yes, please run the version of Kermit that is current and supported for VMS, C-Kermit 5A(190). Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. About ZIP files and VMS -- because they are created with a text-type record format (Stream_LF), even though they are binary files, you have to tell C-Kermit to "set file type image" when transferring them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 04:43:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:58:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:58:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!usenet From: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Lachlan O'Dea) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transfer rate? Date: 30 May 1995 04:43:04 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Reply-To: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Lachlan O'Dea) Nntp-Posting-Host: mts04-modem08.cc.monash.edu.au X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've just started using Kermit recently, and I was wondering what a typical transfer rate would be. I'm using a SLIP link over a 14.4k modem at 19200 DTE speed. Here's what I'm getting: > Current Directory: D:\tmp >Network Host: ccds.cc.monash.edu.au:23 >Network Type: TCP/IP >Parity: none > > Receiving: IDE-B14.ZIP => ide-b14.zip >File Type: BINARY >File Size: 209103 >Percent Done: 100 >Elapsed Time: 00:04:00 >Transfer Rate, CPS: 871 >Window Slots: 1 of 4 >Packet Type: B >Packet Count: 139 >Packet Length: 6 >Error Count: 0 >Last Error: >Last Message: Files: 1, Total Bytes: 209103 My ftp client usually reports about 1.5 k/s, and I was wondering if there were any handy tips for increasing the transfer rate of Kermit. TIA. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lachlan O'Dea | OS/2 Warp. Make it so. Internet: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | Member of Team OS/2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 14:07:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 10:07:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 10:07:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfer rate? Date: 30 May 1995 14:07:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qf8r0$bet@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Lachlan O'Dea wrote: : Hi, I've just started using Kermit recently, and I was wondering what a : typical transfer rate would be. I'm using a SLIP link over a 14.4k : modem at 19200 DTE speed. Here's what I'm getting: : : Transfer Rate, CPS: 871 : Window Slots: 1 of 4 : : My ftp client usually reports about 1.5 k/s, and I was wondering if : there were any handy tips for increasing the transfer rate of Kermit. : Sure. Start by reading the Kermit FAQ at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 21:05:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 17:05:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 17:05:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fixes for Kermit-CMS Date: 30 May 1995 21:05:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qg1a4$1ko@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Four new updates have been released for Kermit-CMS, one an optional "work-around" and three unconditional. Although SimWare's software protocol-conversion products known as SIM3270 have included "full" 7171 compatibililty for several years, it seems that a change in Kermit-370 around level 4.2.2 "broke" that compatibility for at least some of the SIM3270 products. Update SC95130 (found in IKCKER BWR) can be applied to solve this problem for sites running SimWare products. The other updates apply to some rather obscure bugs: (1) the new features of RESEND and using the transmitted time tag in CMS interfered with each other, (2) turning DEBUG on interfered with RESEND when the user's A-disk was SFS, and (3) any kind of file transfer would stop execution of a TAKE file when TAKE ERROR-ACTION was HALT. To affected users, these bugs are a problem, but most users aren't affected. Thus, the updates have been placed in IKCKER NUP for public availability, but no new official release has been made. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 18:58:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 21:54:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 21:54:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet From: John Costello Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 'Get' Command Date: 30 May 1995 18:58:43 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3qfpt4$937@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.89.176.210 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to write an application that dials a kermit server and downloads a file. I purchase a VBX that handles the dialing and the basic kermit protocol. I am having problems figuring out how to send the 'GET FILENAME' to the server. Can anyone help me figure out what the command is at the packet level? Thanks, John Costello jpc@unix.restrac.com From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 15:40:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 00:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 00:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 30 May 1995 11:40:43 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : :Some minor corrections have been made to MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in the :form of patches, new executables, and documentation. Thanks, as always, [stuff deleted] :Patches apply to both the 18 January and the 21 May executables: [more stuff deleted] Could you please point me to where these new versions are located? I just checked kermit.columbia.edu and they still that the 1-18-95 executable and archive and the 1-23-95 patches. Thanks. --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 23:43:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 03:32:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 03:32:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!EU.net!sun4nl!!avdpeijl From: avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net (Arthur_van_der_Peijl) Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-4.amsterdam.nl.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: GoldED/2 2.50.A0517+ References: <3qf84e$abg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:43:31 GMT Lines: 31 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >: Anybody any idea? FC> Yes, please run the version of Kermit that is current and supported FC> for VMS, C-Kermit 5A(190). Sorry I didn't state that right: I would like to upgrade, but I have to get my files on the VMS system. To try it, I tried zip.exe (54k large) as a try-out. Didn't succeed. FC> Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the FC> file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. In that file I found this: VAX AXP Network CKVVKER.XXX CKVAKER.XXX No network support, VMS 5.x and later ^^^^^^ I think this must be CKVKER.EXE. I couldn't find any other file in kermit/bin. But as I already stated: I can't upgrade at the moment because I can't upload any file to the system. FC> About ZIP files and VMS -- because they are created with a text-type FC> record format (Stream_LF), even though they are binary files, you have FC> to tell C-Kermit to "set file type image" when transferring them. Hmmm, thanks for the tip, I hope to use it in future..... Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 12:14:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 05:04:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 05:04:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 May 95 18:14:28 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@inter.NL.net writes: > Hello everybody, > > I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged > version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I tried > to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: > - packetlength 94 > - no linking shift (or something simular) > - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) > - file type binary (of course) > > The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), > found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad > packets). > > When I run the program, I get: > "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is invalid" > (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). ------- Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's why the results won't run. By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is ready to go from there. In the meanwhile explicitly control Kermit-32 before sending more files at it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 20:06:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May31.010617.7767@ais.com> Date: 31 May 95 01:06:17 EST References: Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@inter.NL.net writes: > Hello everybody, > > I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged > version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I > tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: > - packetlength 94 > - no linking shift (or something simular) > - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) > - file type binary (of course) > > The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), > found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad > packets). > > When I run the program, I get: > "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is > invalid" (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). Try doing a SET FILE TYPE FIXED in Kermit-32 before you upload the zip.exe file. The default file type has varying-length records which are not allowed for executable images. Most likely the other settings had nothing to do with your problem; you will however get more reliable transfers if you set BLOCK to 2 or 3 (this is the block check algorithm, and 1 is very minimal but usually adequate for short packets. You would still be advised to use one of the more advanced block check methods that are less subject to letting bad data through). Locking shifts are purely a transfer speed issue; I don't know if such an old version of Kermit-32 would support them (in fact I'm unsure offhand if _any_ version of Kermit-32 supported them), but they are certainly not your problem. Note that you need to have been very careful about transferring the zip.exe file to the PC in the first place. It needs to be an exact binary copy of the file on the VAX (without the implied record boundaries every 512 bytes, of course). Many methods of transferring the file will cause it to be corrupted: for example, if its path included being copied as a text file by Kermit or FTP, then it may have extra CR/LF pairs added or existing CRs or LFs in the file modified into CR/LF pairs. This will make the file unuseable as an executable file under VMS. C-Kermit for VMS is an enormous improvement over Kermit-32 - you should try to get hold of it as soon as possible. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 09:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beep kills kermit Date: 30 May 1995 09:15:02 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yesterday I spend nearly four hours tracking down the reason modem dialing scripts were freezing. I eventually found that if I commented out the "echo \7" command in the dialer (sport.scr, ultra144.scr), the script would work! I've not been able to replicate this problem with other take files. This makes me think that the "echo \7" is trigger a fault that has been created earlier on. Any suggestions on how to proceed? The dialers are working correctly at the moment; I logged in with one to post this. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 18:28:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 14:28:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 14:28:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 31 May 1995 18:28:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qicg7$5vh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >... >Could you please point me to where these new versions are located? I >just checked kermit.columbia.edu and they still that the 1-18-95 >executable and archive and the 1-23-95 patches. > The original posting gave the location. Quoting: ... The new files are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos. The binary files are: kermit.exe - New full-featured Kermit program with ARP correction. kermit_p.exe - Ditto, but with Portuguese file-transfer screen legends. The text files are: READ.ME - Reproduced below, so you don't have to ftp it. ms*.pch - The various patch files. ... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 16:17:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 17:58:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 17:58:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!!avdpeijl From: avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net ("Arthur van der Peijl") Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-4.amsterdam.nl.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: GoldED/2 2.50.A0517+ References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:17:55 GMT Lines: 29 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: JD> Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand JD> how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you JD> sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's JD> why the results won't run. I sent it as a binary file (set file type binary), and the stored size seems to be the same as on my dos-system. JD> By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I need to use Kermit-32 one last time. JD> Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is JD> ready to go from there. Yep: I got ckvker.exe. That's NOT the one described in ckvaaa.hlp (which described ckvvker.exe). JD> In the meanwhile explicitly control Kermit-32 before sending more JD> files at it. Hmm. How? I wouldn't know what I could do else: set file type binary, set block 1-bit and set locking-shift off are the only command I can imagine. Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 01:03:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 18:17:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 18:17:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!mickey.acs.wmich.edu!tucker From: "John D. Tucker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Piping output from "rem host" command Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:03:54 -0900 Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 27 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: moggie.acs.wmich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tucker@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to some program. Any suggestions how I could get the response from the remote computer into a Kermit script variable, piped to a DOS command/executable, or otherwise made available WITHOUT the intermediate step of writing to a file? Even dumping the entire contents of the communications buffer would work as I could probably filter out what I want. Thank you. John D. Tucker Phone: (616) 387-5448 Systems Programmer Internet: john.tucker@wmich.edu University Computing Services Ham Radio: WB8ZVV/AA Western Michigan University ICBM Addr.: 42 17 30 N 85 35 14 W Kalamazoo, Michigan USA 49008 Audio Addr.: "Hey Tucker!" From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 23:05:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:05:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:05:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 31 May 1995 23:05:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qiso7$sdf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Arthur van der Peijl wrote: > JD> By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. > >That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I >need to use Kermit-32 one last time. > > JD> Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is > JD> ready to go from there. > >Yep: I got ckvker.exe. That's NOT the one described in ckvaaa.hlp (which >described ckvvker.exe). > Sorry, my fault. It is the one you want; i.e. ckvker.exe == ckvvker.exe. Again, we don't support Kermit-32 any more, but you should be able to tell the file sender to "set file type binary", and then also tell Kermit-32 to "set file type binary" or (if that doesn't work) "set file type block" (the latter being a secret option), you should get a working C-Kermit. If all else fails, of course, you could order it from us on 9-track tape or TK50, and that way you would get a manual too :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 23:35:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:35:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Piping output from "rem host" command Date: 31 May 1995 23:35:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3qiufk$16r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John D. Tucker wrote: : I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief : (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing : within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that : rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out : would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". : However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), : the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to : some program. : : Any suggestions how I could get the response from the remote computer : into a Kermit script variable, piped to a DOS command/executable, or : otherwise made available WITHOUT the intermediate step of writing to a file? : Even dumping the entire contents of the communications buffer would work : as I could probably filter out what I want. : This is a tough one. Obviously, you COULD redirect to a DOS file and then read the file into an MS-DOS Kermit variable with OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ. But there is no general mechanism for getting arbitrary text from the server into a variable on the client. However, there is something close: the REMOTE QUERY command. If the text on the server side can be obtained from a built-in Kermit variable, a user-defined variable, or an environment variable, then REMOTE QUERY can get it. But there is no way, currently, of getting arbitrary text (the standard output of a program or command) into one of these variables. You would like to be able to do something like this (assuming the host was UNIX): remote assign \%a `command arg arg ...` remote query user \%a but this presently can't be done. Similarly: remote host FOO=`command arg arg ...` remote query system FOO can't be done because the environment variable disappears as soon as it is set (rules about manipulating superior processes). This is an idea for a future release of Kermit. Perhaps something like: \fsystem(text) runs the system command "text" and returns its standard output. But this will be a bit tricky, since the standard output could be any length at all, even gigabytes... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 20:43:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:01:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:01:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: very basic question Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:43:35 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: helios@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet : error over and over. The command corresponding to send is receive. You'd better start by reading the help files and "man" pages. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 20:46:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:02:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: MSK 3.14 and Windows - Success! Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:46:15 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: helios@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem was this: After a Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager for Windows in my case) uses a COM port, Windows does not allow MS-Kermit 3.14 to test the port for UART characteristics on the first attempt. A second attempt succeeds if enough time has passed. I had found a way to test for the error in my MSCUSTOM.INI script, but I had not been able to correct the error under script control. Here is the MSCUSTOM.INI segment that finally succeeded. Among the errors in my previous attempts, I had tried to continue the "echo" line, which resulted in the next command's being ignored. I have not yet tried shorter sleep periods, but two seconds is not bad if it works! set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again} if equal \v(port) Bios4 - sleep 2, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 20:22:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:58:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:58:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automating kermit session in a shell script Date: 30 May 1995 20:22:49 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 21 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the remote server on the Unix computer. I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 08:47:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:47:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:47:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:47:41 GMT Lines: 140 Sender: jhurwit@netcom22.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Yao-Chiang Kan writes: >> Hi, there: >> I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office >> pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun >> machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might >> because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. >> Please help me if you know how to set it up. >----------- > 3270's are vastly different animals than VTxxx's. Don't even >try it. See if your IBM mainframe has a VT100 class entry point and >go from there. If you can access your IBM through a 7171 protocol converter (through a dial-up connection or otherwise) that is set up to do VT100, you can use the following to map your keyboard to emulate 3270 keys (assuming that the 7171 is set up to recognize these escape sequences): ; Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \315 \{27}1 ; F1 PFK1 set key \316 \{27}2 ; F2 PFK2 set key \317 \{27}3 ; F3 PFK3 set key \318 \{27}4 ; F4 PFK4 set key \319 \{27}5 ; F5 PFK5 set key \320 \{27}6 ; F6 PFK6 set key \321 \{27}7 ; F7 PFK7 set key \322 \{27}8 ; F8 PFK8 set key \323 \{27}9 ; F9 PFK9 set key \324 \{27}0 ; F10 PFK10 set key \389 \{27}- ; F11 PFK11 set key \390 \{27}= ; F12 PFK12 ; ; Shift-Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \852 \{27}q ; Shift-F1 PFK13 set key \853 \{27}w ; Shift-F2 PFK14 set key \854 \{27}e ; Shift-F3 PFK15 set key \855 \{27}r ; Shift-F4 PFK16 set key \856 \{27}t ; Shift-F5 PFK17 set key \857 \{27}y ; Shift-F6 PFK18 set key \858 \{27}u ; Shift-F7 PFK19 set key \859 \{27}i ; Shift-F8 PFK20 set key \860 \{27}o ; Shift-F9 PFK21 set key \861 \{27}p ; Shift-F10 PFK22 set key \903 \{27}[ ; Shift-F11 PFK23 set key \904 \{27}] ; Shift-F12 PFK24 ; ; Ctrl-Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \1374 \{27}, ; Ctrl-F1 PA1 set key \1375 \{27}OM ; Ctrl-F2 Clear set key \1376 \{27}` ; Ctrl-F3 IBM 7171 setup functs set key \1377 \{27}`\{27}OM ; Ctrl-F4 clear tabs home margin set key \1378 \{27}\{27}OA ; Ctrl-F5 indent margin set key \1379 \{27}\{127} ; Ctrl-F6 erase EOF set key \1380 \{27}\{27}OB ; Ctrl-F7 undent margin set key \1381 \7 ; Ctrl-F8 7171 master reset set key \1382 \{27}`c ; Ctrl-F9 activate column tabs set key \1383 \{27}`C ; Ctrl-F10 restore field tabs set key \1417 \{27}`\9 ; Ctrl-F11 set tab stop set key \1418 \{27}`\{127} ; Ctrl-F12 delete tab stop ; ; Alt-Function keys ; PC KEY ? ;et key \2408 ? ; Alt-F1 ? ;et key \2409 ? ; Alt-F2 ? ;et key \2410 ? ; Alt-F3 ? ;et key \2411 ? ; Alt-F4 ? ;et key \2412 ? ; Alt-F5 ? ;et key \2413 ? ; Alt-F6 ? ;et key \2414 ? ; Alt-F7 ? ;et key \2415 ? ; Alt-F8 ? ;et key \2416 ? ; Alt-F9 ? ;et key \2417 ? ; Alt-F10 ? ;et key \2443 ? ; Alt-F11 ? ;et key \2444 ? ; Alt-F12 ? ; ; Numeric Keypad ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \339 \{127} ; Del (kp.) delete character set key \338 \{27}On ; Ins (kp0) insert mode toggle set key \335 \10 ; End (kp1) newline set key \336 \{27}OB ; down arrow (kp2) cursor down set key \337 \KterminalR ; PgDn (kp3) download pc receive set key \331 \{27}OD ; left arrow (kp4) cursor left set key \332 \kmodeline ; blank (kp5) kermit mode-line toggle set key \333 \{27}OC ; right arrow (kp6) cursor right set key \327 \8 ; Home (kp7) cursor home set key \328 \{27}OA ; up arrow (kp8) cursor up set key \329 \KterminalS ; PgUp (kp9) upload pc send ; set key \330 \{27}, ; keypad - PA1 set key \334 \{27}OM ; keypad + Clear set key \311 * ; keypad * * set key \4399 / ; keypad / / set key \4365 \13 ; keypad Enter Enter ; ; Shift-Numeric Keypad (NumLock) ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \851 . ; keypad . . set key \850 0 ; keypad 0 0 set key \847 1 ; keypad 1 1 set key \848 2 ; keypad 2 2 set key \849 3 ; keypad 3 3 set key \843 4 ; keypad 4 4 set key \844 5 ; keypad 5 5 set key \845 6 ; keypad 6 6 set key \839 7 ; keypad 7 7 set key \840 8 ; keypad 8 8 set key \841 9 ; keypad 9 9 ; ; Grey Keypad ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \4435 \{127} ; grey Delete delete character set key \4434 \{27}On ; grey Insert insert mode toggle set key \4431 \10 ; grey End newline set key \4432 \{27}OB ; grey down arrow cursor down set key \4433 \{27}8 ; grey Page Down PFK8 set key \4427 \{27}OD ; grey left arrow cursor left set key \4429 \{27}OC ; grey right arrow cursor right set key \4423 \8 ; grey Home cursor Home set key \4424 \{27}OA ; grey up arrow cursor up set key \4425 \{27}7 ; grey Page Up PFK7 ; ; Backspace, tabs ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \270 \{27}OD ; Backspace <--- non-destructive backsp set key \127 \{127}\{27}OD ; Ctrl-Backspace destructive backspace ;et key \782 ? ; Shift-Backspace ? ;et key \2318 ? ; Alt-Backspace ? ; set key \9 \9 ; Tab -->| tab set key \783 \{27}\9 ; Shift-Tab |<-- backtab ;et key \1428 ? ; Ctrl-Tab ? ;et key \2469 ? ; Alt-Tab ? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 19:55:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:00:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news3.near.net!noc.near.net!ileaf!nes.iddis.com!news.iddis.com!iddptm From: iddptm@jaeger.iddis.com (Paul T. Marquis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Windows specific version of kermit. Date: 31 May 1995 19:55:03 GMT Organization: IDD Information Services Lines: 6 Message-Id: Reply-To: pmarquis@iddis.com Nntp-Posting-Host: jaeger.iddis.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I downloaded verion 0.80a of the MS-Windows verson of Kermit some time ago but have forgotten where I got it. Can anyone tell me where I might find it as well as the Windows-NT version? Thanks very much. -- Paul, the Edge, Marquis pmarquis@iddis.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 12:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:56:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:56:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Date: 1 Jun 1995 12:56:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qkde6$quu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qfuqp$l9f@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfuqp$l9f@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: : I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts : in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). : The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial : connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal : is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to : a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to : the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the : remote server on the Unix computer. : : I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling : with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote : Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" : character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. : Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or : Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. : This is the most common use of Kermit scripts, and it is quite straightforward. It is explained in complete detail in either one of the manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit", and illustrated with numerous examples. UNIX C-Kermit even comes with scripts that log in to various kinds of systems for you. Please purchase one of these manuals and read about script programming. It will make you into a self-sufficient script programmer, and you will be contributing to the health of the Kermit project. Also make sure you have up to date versions of the software: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14; C-Kermit 5A(190) (for OS/2 it's 5A(191)). About your question. Here is a hint. In a script program, you do not CONNECT or escape back. Instead, you use INPUT and OUTPUT commands to "read" and "type" what you would read and type by hand. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 13:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:05:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:05:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Windows specific version of kermit. Date: 1 Jun 1995 13:05:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-Id: <3qkdv4$rlj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Paul T. Marquis wrote: >I downloaded verion 0.80a of the MS-Windows verson of Kermit some time ago >but have forgotten where I got it. Can anyone tell me where I might find >it as well as the Windows-NT version? Thanks very much. > This is a Frequently Asked Question, which is answered in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt Information about Kermit is easily accessible on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ To answer your question: The only version of Kermit we recommend and support for Windows, including Windows NT, is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Even though it is a DOS program, it runs fine in Windows and works better than most Windows-specific communications software programs. Although it lacks the pleasant graphical user interface that so many people want, it still gets the job done. And since when using communications software, you are usually in text mode anyway (in a terminal emulation window), the GUI aspects are not as important as in other types of applications. The other problem with MS-DOS Kermit in Windows is that it can not coexist with nor use Winsock when making TCP/IP connections. We are sensitive to this issue and hope to do something about it as soon as we can. MS-DOS DOS Kermit 3.14 is available via: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 1993 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) French and German language editions are also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 13:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Date: 1 Jun 1995 13:12:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3qkecn$s8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >>In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, >>Yao-Chiang Kan writes: >>> I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office >>> pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun >>> machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might >>> because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. >>> Please help me if you know how to set it up. > > If you can access your IBM through a 7171 protocol converter > (through a dial-up connection or otherwise) that is set up to do > VT100, you can use the following to map your keyboard to emulate > 3270 keys (assuming that the 7171 is set up to recognize these > escape sequences): > This question is addressed in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt It actually doesn't do much good to post a 3270 key mapping because, as the FAQ points out, no two sites are likely to use the same one. The only 3270 key mapping that will work at a particular site is the one which is configured in the protocol converter, and that can be absolutely anything at all. For example, at one site, the cursor-up function -- which you would probably want to assign to the up-arrow key -- would need to send the DEC VT terminal sequence ESC O A or ESC [ A or ESC A (depend on the VT model and cursor keypad mode). But at another site, which likes to use EMACS-style mappings, the cursor-up function might be Ctrl-P. There is no way to know what your 3270 protocol converter expects from the terminal other than to ask your site administrators, who configured the device. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 08:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!utcvm.utc.edu!KCHEN From: KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Japanese Character Set for MS-Kermit 3.14 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:29:27 EDT Organization: The University of Tennessee, Chattanooga Lines: 7 Message-Id: <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utcvm.utc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello to all! Does any one know where to get the necessary character sets for MS-Kermit 3.14 so it'll display Japanese Kanji characters on my PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! Kuan Chen From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 17:17:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:00:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:00:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 1 Jun 1995 17:17:17 GMT From: swong@pobox.com (Sylvia Wong) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3qk3mm$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Control: cancel <3qk3mm$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 20:49:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Japanese Character Set for MS-Kermit 3.14 Date: 1 Jun 1995 20:49:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ql95n$81r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu>, wrote: >Does any one know where to get the necessary character sets for >MS-Kermit 3.14 so it'll display Japanese Kanji characters on my >PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! > You must run DOS/V (Japanese DOS for IBM and compatible PCs). Then in Kermit, just give the appropriate character-set commands. For a full description of Kanji terminal emulation, read the KERMIT.UPD file in your KERMIT directory, and/or read the articles in Kermit News #6, which is available on the Web as: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Note: there is also a special Kanji version of Kermit available for the NEC PC9801. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 06:03:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:19:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:19:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!bcsystems!bcsystems!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mode: remote in OS/2 via IP Message-Id: <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> From: rkogelheide@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ryan Kogelheide) Date: 1 Jun 95 13:03:11 PDT Reply-To: rkogelheide@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ryan Kogelheide) Distribution: world Organization: Province of BC, Attorney General, Court Services Branch Keywords: TCP/IP, OS/2, Remote Server, TELNETD Summary: How do I get a remote server running under OS/2 TCP/IP? Nntp-Posting-Host: csbreq01.ag.gov.bc.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running 5A(191) for OS/2 2.30 32-bit Numeric: 501191 under WARP FP with IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (UN64092) with the LS 4.0 - MPTS stack. I can't get the SET LINE to clear from COM1:. The updates manual has the following line: "However, at present you cannot transfer files between your local Kermit program and OS/2 C-Kermit when TELNET'd to OS/2 due to restrictions in the OS/2 TELNET server." Does this mean that I can't get a remote OS/2 server to work? Does anybody know a workaround? Does anybody know when a solution's coming? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 03:56:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:56:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:56:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode: remote in OS/2 via IP Date: 2 Jun 1995 03:56:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3qm24g$4hb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: TCP/IP, OS/2, Remote Server, TELNETD Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, Ryan Kogelheide wrote: >I'm running 5A(191) for OS/2 2.30 32-bit Numeric: 501191 under >WARP FP with IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (UN64092) with the LS 4.0 - MPTS >stack. I can't get the SET LINE to clear from COM1:. > >The updates manual has the following line: > >"However, at present you cannot transfer files between your local >Kermit program and OS/2 C-Kermit when TELNET'd to OS/2 due to >restrictions in the OS/2 TELNET server." > >Does this mean that I can't get a remote OS/2 server to work? Does >anybody know a workaround? Does anybody know when a solution's >coming? IBM Telnetd does not provide a clean data path since they have to translate all input from keyboard scancodes to the Dec Multinational character set and all incoming characters are mapped from Dec multinational to code page 850. Therefore, a remote mode Kermit operation as on Unix is not possible. However, remote connections are possible when using the SET HOST *:port command. Read the Updates TCP/IP section. Be sure to use a port number not listed in the ETC/SERVICES file. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 13:52:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!karenm From: karenm@netcom.com (Karen McEneaney) Subject: very basic question Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:52:03 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: karenm@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet error over and over. Thanks, Karen From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 04:03:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:15:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:14:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 May 95 10:03:07 MDT References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net ("Arthur van der Peijl") writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > JD> Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand > JD> how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you > JD> sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's > JD> why the results won't run. > > I sent it as a binary file (set file type binary), and the stored size seems to > be the same as on my dos-system. When transferring executables with Kermit-32, you need to set file type fixed. > That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I > need to use Kermit-32 one last time. Another alternative is to upload the hexified version of kermit and the dehex program. This can be done in text mode. I recently had to bootstrap a system by uploading the hexified version of KERMIT-32 with MS-DOS Kermit's TRANSMIT command (C-Kermit is too large for this to work reliably; I did try) and then use KERMIT-32 to upload the hexified version of C-Kermit. FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | "Did you know the AIDS spore can live in sweaters?" ivie@cc.usu.edu | -- Overheard at Hansen Planetarium From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 15:47:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:35:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:35:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!torn!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Kermit scripting problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:47:17 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written some scripts to automate upload using kermit for users of a text based menu interface to Unix. I prompt the users for a list of files to upload and I would like to allow responses such as the following: Enter list of files to upload: c:\autoexec.bat c:\temp\*.* I've run into a couple of problems and I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I'm using expect/tcl to automatically generate sequences of instructions such as the following: apc server set command quoting off remote cd c:\ get autoexec.bat remote cd c:\temp get *.* set command quoting on fin apc connect which will be executed by Unix kermit-5A-190 on the assumption that the remote machine is running MS-Kermit 3.14. One problem is that if the directory `c:\temp' does not exist the `get *.*' will upload all of the files in the current directory. I tried adding `if success get*.*' immediately after the command `remote cd c:\temp' but that doesn't work, presumably because the status on the remote machine is not available for checking. Is there any way for me to detect in a script if the `remote cd' worked or not, and if not, is there a better way to do this? I also found that `remote cd c:' was not the same as `remote cd c:\', so I appended `\' to the string but then `remote cd c:\temp\' seemed to fail. Is this a bug? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 11:16:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:49:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Message-Id: <1995May30.171628.52777@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 May 95 17:16:28 MDT References: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) writes: > > I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts > in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). > The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial > connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal > is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to > a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to > the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the > remote server on the Unix computer. > > I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling > with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote > Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" > character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. > Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or > Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. -------- Have you considered the best way might be to use the scripting language (sic) provided by Kermits? One end starts and does the login chatter, invokes the other Kermit, then swap files and other tall stories, then the script does the goodbyes. Have a look at the full documentation and explanation in the user's manuals, the "Using MS-DOS / C Kermit" books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 17:45:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:38:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:38:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:45:46 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a followup to my own post about some kermit scripting problems I have encountered. I just realized that the question can be more preciously stated as follows: In writing a script to interact with a remote kermit server is there any way to determine the status of operations performed against that server. For example if I issue the command `remote cd c:\temp' is there any way to determine if it succeeded or failed. I would like to follow this with a statement such as `if success goto whereever' but this doesn't seem to work, presumably because `remote' is never considered to fail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 06:39:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:51:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:51:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems Message-Id: <1995May31.123930.52861@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 95 12:39:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rmallett@boris.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) writes: > I've written some scripts to automate upload using kermit for > users of a text based menu interface to Unix. I prompt the users for a > list of files to upload and I would like to allow responses such as > the following: > > Enter list of files to upload: c:\autoexec.bat c:\temp\*.* > > I've run into a couple of problems and I was wondering if anyone > could give me some advice. I'm using expect/tcl to automatically > generate sequences of instructions such as the following: > > apc server > set command quoting off > remote cd c:\ > get autoexec.bat > remote cd c:\temp > get *.* > set command quoting on > fin > apc connect > > which will be executed by Unix kermit-5A-190 on the assumption that > the remote machine is running MS-Kermit 3.14. > > One problem is that if the directory `c:\temp' does not exist the > `get *.*' will upload all of the files in the current directory. > I tried adding `if success get*.*' immediately after the command > `remote cd c:\temp' but that doesn't work, presumably because the > status on the remot machine is not available for checking. Is > there any way for me to detect in a script if the `remote cd' > worked or not, and if not, is there a better way to do this? > I also found that `remote cd c:' was not the same as `remote cd c:\', > so I appended `\' to the string but then `remote cd c:\temp\' > seemed to fail. Is this a bug? ---------- No, it's not a bug. It's DOS syntax. cd c: means to the current directory on drive C (which DOS remembers), cd c:\ is to the root of drive C, etc. Only the root path ends on a backslash. Rather than issuing cd's just include the path with the wildcards, as in get c:\temp\*.*. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 13:23:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:24:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:23:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 2 Jun 1995 13:23:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu>, Roger Ivie wrote: >... >FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than >C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my >systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). > Kermit-32 is smaller than C-Kermit because it does less. But it's old and no longer supported. I don't know anybody that can even compile it. And if it works on Alphas, it's a miracle. If people want a "C-Kermit Lite" for VMS -- no frills, no outgoing connections, no script programming language, no character sets, etc -- i.e. a C-Kermit equivalent of Kermit-32, but with the advanced file-transfer protocol features, it could be arranged. Would that be enough to make you finally all put away your copies of Kermit-32? Well, in all candor, there is some other low-level i/o work that needs to be done in VMS C-Kermit that could reduce the CPU load a bit, but this requires an expert VMS systems programmer (which I'm not). Any volunteers? Don't be shy :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 07:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:38:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!dmalin From: dmalin@interlog.com (David R Butler-Malin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit MAC?? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 07:29:25 GMT Organization: Interlog Internet Services -Voice (416) 975-2655 -Data 515-1414 Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: dmalin.interlog.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on numerous systems within our company. I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building and asked to bring them up on our current environment. Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks Dave R Butler-Malin dmalin@interlog.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 09:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:51:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:51:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!xlink100!ka.sub.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-ulm.de!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!w254zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!jenabeee From: jenabeee@w254zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Joachim von Jena) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: rz script with non-standard COM port under MSkermit 3.14 Date: 1 Jun 1995 09:30:40 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3qk1c0$32c@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Nntp-Posting-Host: w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please compare the kermit defintions for RZ download: define rz run D:\COMM1\DSZ\dsz F ha on port 2 G rz -rr define rz run D:\COMM1\DSZ\dsz F ha on portx 2f8,3 G rz -r they should be equivalent but aren't! If I use the second definition for rz an error message of dsz appears. Of course I don't really need the second line but I want to configure a COM3 port with port address 2e8 on IRQ5. Any comments highly appreciated. -Joachim von Jena email jenabeee@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de d From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 15:29:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:36:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:36:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beep kills kermit Message-Id: <1995May31.212913.52915@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 95 21:29:13 MDT References: <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Yesterday I spend nearly four hours tracking down the reason > modem dialing scripts were freezing. I eventually found that if > I commented out the "echo \7" command in the dialer (sport.scr, > ultra144.scr), the script would work! > > I've not been able to replicate this problem with other take > files. This makes me think that the "echo \7" is trigger a fault > that has been created earlier on. > > Any suggestions on how to proceed? > > The dialers are working correctly at the moment; I logged in with > one to post this. ----------- Earl, Honestly, I suspect there is more to the story than has been revealed thus far. The beep you hear during scripts is generated by passing DOS a \7 code, and that uses one section of the system timer chip to make the noise. It's very common, alas. If you have some TSR loaded that mistakenly thinks it owns the community timer chip then strange things can happen. We can't guess what is in your machine, but perhaps you can poke around some to see if there is a sneaky item waiting to gobble sound effects. Might you also have a soundblaster board installed? Joe D. P.S. Username kusogari is rebuffed by the shef.ac.uk mailer. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 12:41:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!biobase!ali From: ali@biobase.dk (Ali Karami) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can i transfer files to: Date: 2 Jun 1995 12:41:37 GMT Organization: The Danish BioBase Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biobase.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters: I have a simple question please send me your info: I am able to transfer files from network to my harddisk on pc by kermit and by send command but when i want to send my file on my hard disk to network i think i have to use get command but it does not work. I would like to know how can i do this + is ther any faq aboout kermit. I want to send my file it is in window ( microsoft words v 2.1 ) by iam connecting to network via dos . So could you help me. I have to say i am using Modem to transfer files from remot site to my pc and it's O.K but in when i want to transfer my own file to network .... i have problem. Thank you Ali@biobase.dk Ali From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 14:23:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Piping output from "rem host" command Message-Id: <1995Jun1.202326.53054@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jun 95 20:23:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "John D. Tucker" writes: > > > I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief > (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing > within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that > rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out > would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". > However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), > the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to > some program. ------------ Piping will never work because it presumes that programs are under control of the current Command.com and use stdin/stdout to read and write. DOS uses a file to represent the pipe. In addition, MS-DOS Kermit server (the receiving end of the initial command) performs remote host commands by invoking command.com #2 with the command line supplied by the client, and the output is redirected to a temporary file. The temp file is necessary so Kermit can read the results, if any, and send them back to the client. That means there is already a redirection supplied by Kermit, and it means Command.com #2 is not in charge of Kermit. If you supply a redirection then that is sent to the remote host (Kermit server) and the file to which you write is on that host too. MSK does not know you have supplied redirection so MSK reads only it's own temp file. The material comes back as a file, and we can't stuff a file into a Kermit variable. You can "get filename" and obtain a local file copy to which you may apply Kermit script string operations (read, string ops, etc). Be aware that most DOS programs do not use stdin/stdout to work. They go straight to hardware and below the Bios, so you won't capture much in that redirection, and you can lock up the server machine while the target program waits on the real keyboard, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 16:27:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!recepsen.aa.msen.com!conch.aa.msen.com!jschneid From: jschneid@conch.aa.msen.com (Jeff Schneider ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.13 question Date: 2 Jun 1995 16:27:22 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: conch.aa.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently am using kermit 3.13 for dos for terminal emulation to allow my users to talk to a RISC 6000 running AIX3.2.5 We have set Kermit up to the point that the user doesn't really know that he is using a terminal emulator. Unfortunatly this means that most do not know how to use kermit to its fullest ( such as "dial foobar" ). We are now migrating to laptops and this adds the dimension of dialing in from home or hotel. My problem: 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: a. connect directly trough a com port b. dial the modem - area code optional, prefix optional c. connect directly through a network card. I need to work this miracle with as litter user intervention as possible. We are using Word Perfect 5.1 for Unix, so all of the keys have been reassigned. Any help would be greatly appreciated. jschneid@msen.com All opinions/misspellings are my own. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 19:52:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:39:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:39:56 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:13 GMT Lines: 1 Sender: jhurwit@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 14:09:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:04:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:04:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!btco!newsadm From: hari@btco.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Support Date: 1 Jun 1995 14:09:03 GMT Organization: Bankers Trust Company Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3qkhlv$pbd@NYCSEX0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nycsew0078.btco.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi folks, Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal emulation environment. The two main options are Kermit and Z-modem. Is there any sort of formal support channel for products in each category. I am attracted to C-Kermit because it looks like it has quite a following and a lot of discussion groups associated with it but is there any type of support channel for it ? Thanks Hari From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 11:56:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:29:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:29:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems Date: 1 Jun 1995 07:56:04 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qk9sk$5nm@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm developing an ftp mimic for C-Kermit->MS-Kermit transfers and had the same problem. The following macros will let you confirm that cd worked on MSK. (I expect the technique generalizes to any apc initiated command but I have only tested cd.) def cd - apc cd \Fcontents(\%1), - apcstat, - if eq 0 \v(query) echo {250 CWD command successful.}, - else echo {550 \Fcontents(\%1): No such file or directory} def apcstat - apc server, - msleep 500, - remote query kermit status, - finish The careful reader might wonder why I use apc cd rather than remote cd as in the following: def cd1 - apc server, - msleep 500, - remote cd \Fcontents(\%1), - remote query kermit status, - finish, - if eq 0 \v(query) echo {250 CWD command successful.}, - else echo {550 \Fcontents(\%1): No such file or directory} The answer is it doesn't work. I'm beginning to think this is a bug which I'll document and submit via e-mail with some test details to Columbia. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 03:22:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:51:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!treasure.coastalnet.com!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disabled minus on keypad? Message-Id: <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com> From: cn1491@coastalnet.com (Shannon Adams) Date: 3 Jun 1995 03:22:49 GMT Reply-To: shannona@htc8500.com Organization: CoastalNet Nntp-Posting-Host: pm-mhc2-210.coastalnet.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit 3.14, the minus sign on the keypad is used to toggle the status line in terminal mode. I want to use the minus sign as a minus and not the toggle. How do I diable it as being used for the toggle? == Shannon Adams shannona@htc8500.com ers on my : PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! : : Kuan Chen There are two alternatives. 1) Get a bilingual version of DOS such as MS-DOS 6.22V or IBM PC-DOS 6.3V. 2) Use a programme wrapper such as kdplus (shareware) found at kuso.shef.ac.uk and other ftp sources. I use 1) with consistent sucess. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 17:46:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Support Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:46:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qq75m$734@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qkhlv$pbd@nycsex0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qkhlv$pbd@nycsex0001.btco.com>, wrote: >Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need >a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal >emulation environment. The two main options are Kermit and Z-modem. Is >there any sort of formal support channel for products in each category. I >am attracted to C-Kermit because it looks like it has quite a following >and a lot of discussion groups associated with it but is there any type >of support channel for it ? > Yes. That's one of Kermit's strongest points. There are many support channels: this newsgroup; e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu; telephone support, and so on. We only ask that you purchase the relevant published manuals (and consult them :-), and also look through the online HLP, UPD, and BWR files that are supplied with the software, before requesting tech support. If you want a formal support contract, or training, etc, that can be arranged too. Send email to kermit@columbia.edu for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 17:51:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can i transfer files to: Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:51:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 161 Message-Id: <3qq7fp$7b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk>, Ali Karami wrote: > I am able to transfer files from network to my harddisk on pc by kermit > and by send command but when i want to send my file on my hard disk to > network i think i have to use get command but it does not work. I would > like to know how can i do this + is ther any faq aboout kermit. > Not only is there an FAQ, there are manuals available, published in many languages, that answer questions like this. FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Manuals: KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 1993 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 32.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 85.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 79,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:02:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:02:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:02:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.13 question Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:02:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com>, Jeff Schneider wrote: >I currently am using kermit 3.13 for dos for terminal emulation to allow >my users to talk to a RISC 6000 running AIX3.2.5 We have set Kermit up >to the point that the user doesn't really know that he is using a terminal >emulator. Unfortunatly this means that most do not know how to use kermit >to its fullest ( such as "dial foobar" ). We are now migrating to laptops >and this adds the dimension of dialing in from home or hotel. My problem: > 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: > a. connect directly trough a com port > b. dial the modem - area code optional, > prefix optional > c. connect directly through a network card. > >I need to work this miracle with as litter user intervention as possible. > The answer is: it can be done, but you will have to write the appropriate script program(s) to do it. Script programming is documented in "Using MS-DOS Kermit", supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD file on the Kermit diskette. Note that the current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, not 3.13. Still, your script program can't be a mind reader. It doesn't know if the laptop it is running on is in the owner's house, in a hotel, on an airplane, or plugged in to a network (or if it is, whether the network should be used instead of the serial port or internal modem). So there will still need to be some hints from the user. That is, the user will still have to know something. Like whether s/he is in a hotel room or at home. And what the dialing prefix is, and whether an area code is needed, etc. In our frenzy to make things easy -- "seamless" -- for users, we make them so dependent on the tools we develop for them that they become helpless without them. I'm in favor of a somewhat more minimalist approach -- make things easy, sure, but don't hide information from them unnecessarily. For example, I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who are astounded to learn, when (say) Kermit's DIAL command doesn't work for some reason, that they can actually CONNECT to the modem and type ATDT. Yes, the don't have to be helpless in the face of complicated technology. What is the 90's word for that... empowerment? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:05:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:06:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:06:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disabled minus on keypad? Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:05:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qq8a6$81l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com>, Shannon Adams wrote: >Using Kermit 3.14, the minus sign on the keypad is used to toggle the >status line in terminal mode. I want to use the minus sign as a minus >and not the toggle. How do I diable it as being used for the toggle? > Please read the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". It will explain to you how ALL the keys on the keyboard can be reassigned to do whatever you want them to. Here is the answer to your question, but you will undoubtedly have more questions, so please consult the manual in the future. set key \330 \45 Put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file and it will take effect whenever you start Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:07:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:07:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Settings? Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:07:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qq8do$89r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qpbbe$cdv@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qpbbe$cdv@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, Jeff Kurbatzky wrote: >Im using kermit 3.13 on my 14.4 modem without a slip connection. I still >find kermit transfers to be very slow compared to all others. Can someone >please reccommend some settings for me that would optimize my transfer >speeds?? If so, please email me. > Please refer to our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt By the way, if you upgrade to version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit, you will note that it comes with a FAST macro. Just type "fast" at the prompt, and it configures itself for speed. Additional fine tuning is, of course, possible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 20:37:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 01:53:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 01:53:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!newsfeed.rice.edu!uw-beaver!uw-coco!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Support Date: 2 Jun 1995 20:37:13 GMT Organization: CompuTech, Spokane WA Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3qnspp$a8b@krel.iea.com> References: <3qkhlv$pbd@NYCSEX0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hari@btco.com wrote: : Hi folks, : Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal emulation environment. Support is pretty simple. Buy, at least, the two books Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit. Read them, or at least browse them. Install C-Kermit on the VAXens and MS-Kermit on your PCs. Try them, fiddle with them, ask questions here. We were able to upgrade from a VERY old version of Kermit for Data General AOS/VS to 5A(188,189,190) with a minimum of pain. Mostly getting all the players together at once: Me the so-called Kermit expert, our SysOp, and the software support specialist. That it even took all three of us is because we were trying to upgrade the support we supply as more users discovered MS-Kermit and found it a better deal than the commercial terminal emulators for Data General systems. Not to mention as they discovered outside systems, Internet, BBS' etc. they have all they need. Though the BBS support for Kermit file transfer protocol is pretty weak most of the time. Again; buy the two books (makes Frank, Christine, and Joe easier to talk to.) and `try it, you'll like it'. Rod Anderson From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 14:11:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:25:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:25:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!bubba!shrim From: shrim@bubba.ocis.temple.edu (The Shriminator) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 14:11:54 GMT Organization: http://monroe.temple.edu Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bubba.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David R Butler-Malin writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: + My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on + numerous systems within our company. + I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building + and asked to bring them up on our current environment. + Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? + If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks Yes. MacKermit 0.99(190) is avail. at Columbia's ftp site. If you have access to the Web, then follow this link for an easy download: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html BTW to the Kermit Gods, I read in a Kermit related book that the protocol is much improved in MacKermit 1.0. Where would such a beast exist, if it does ? Any comments (e-mail please) on this 1.0 release would be most appreciated. -- |~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/|\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~| | N. Sriram | Shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu | http://monroe.temple.edu | | Unixmenu Developer, Macintosh Archivist, WWW Builder, User-Support | | 'course my views don't reflect my Employers, neither mine at times. | |_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\|/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_| From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 15:45:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:45:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 15:45:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3qske8$lmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, The Shriminator wrote: > BTW to the Kermit Gods, I read in a Kermit related book that the > protocol is much improved in MacKermit 1.0. Where would such a beast > exist, if it does ? > I wish it did exist. We started work on Mac Kermit in 1984 and made a lot of progress. Then our programming staff was, well, reassigned. Then we had a series of volunteer Mac programmers from elsewhere who made terrific contributions, but the last of them succumbed to the pressures of real life several years ago. We don't have the funds to hire a Mac programmer (let alone someone who could merely keep track of the ever-changing Macintosh landscape) and the few of us who spend most of our time in the Kermit project are not Mac programmers and have overfull plates already. So, in short, Mac Kermit is still not at 1.0 level. You can find a list of its faults, and our plans for the future should someone willing and able to implement them step forward at any time, in the ckmker.bwr file. Nevertheless, every so often somebody does a few small things to it to make it better. Last August, by brute force and dumb luck, I was able to track down and fix the bug that was making it crash on downloads under System 7.1. Of course, since that time, Apple has released numerous new Systems and models, and broke Kermit yet again. Reportedly, in System 7.5, Mac Kermit once again has all sorts of trouble finding the communication port. An anonymous donor has sent in a probably fix for this problem (i.e. addition of Communications Tool Box support), which everybody is encouraged to try. You can find it in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/mac/makermit.hqx Transfer it in text mode, unBinHex it, and try it out. If you have been seeing error boxes containing codes like "-98", this might fix it. There is also another possible improvement on the horizon, namely the addition of MacTCP support by someone who is interested in that, and probably only that. There is no formal commitment, just a glimmer of hope. If all the universities and corporations that were interested in a production-quality Mac Kermit were to chip in to endow a Macintosh Kermit programmer position for a few years, they would get a good return on their investment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 17:22:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:56:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:56:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f181-107.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 17:22:37 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: f181-107.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:23:26 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, dmalin@interlog.com writes: >My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on >numerous systems within our company. >I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building >and asked to bring them up on our current environment. > >Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? > >If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available off the net.: Kermit Tool GH 1.3 - unsupported, as it has gone commercial. Does not support windowing, shift locking, selective control quoting, but still very nice. (I do not know if the new copyright owners, Aladdin Systems--makers of SITcomm and Stuffit--have done anything to restrict its distribution). Termy - freeware CTB shell application Apple CTB Tools - VT102 or TTY terminal emulation, serial tool, modem tool, ADSP connection, XMODEM transfers. TGE/TCP Tool - allows connections over TCP/IP connections (I've never been able to get this to work, but many people do). Additional File Transfer Tools - ZMODEM tool demos (download only or limited evaluation periods). Of course, there are plenty of commercial applications which support the Kermit file transfer protocol (SITcomm, Versaterm, ClarisWorks, etc.) Even the shareware program ZTerm now has a basic Kermit implementation. Oh, and by the way, it really enrages Mac owners to have there computers refered to as MAC. It isn't an acronym. --glenn From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 20:10:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:10:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:10:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 20:10:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, >dmalin@interlog.com writes: >>Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? > >If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates >the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a >free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available >off the net... > Yes, but this will not get you certain features that are hallmarks of real Kermit software: . Fast, high quality emulation of higher-model VT terminals, like VT220 or 320. . Character-set conversion during terminal emulation. . Character-set conversion during file transfer. . Most of the file-transfer performance features, i.e. fast file transfers instead of slow ones. . Most or all of the client/server features. . A scripting language that is compatible with other Kermit programs. Most of this is already in Mac Kermit. It's just a question of getting it up to release quality. I think we'd all be better served by a release- quality Mac Kermit than by a cobbled-together patchwork assembled from pieces of dubious origin. See my previous posting about why we don't have a release-quality Mac Kermit yet. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 22:26:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:57:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:57:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f180-068.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 22:26:58 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 45 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f180-068.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:27:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >In article <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu>, >Glenn R. Howes wrote: >>In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, >>dmalin@interlog.com writes: >>>Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? >> >>If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates >>the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a >>free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available >>off the net... >> >Yes, but this will not get you certain features that are hallmarks >of real Kermit software: [feature set deleted] >Most of this is already in Mac Kermit. It's just a question of getting >it up to release quality. I think we'd all be better served by a release- >quality Mac Kermit than by a cobbled-together patchwork assembled from >pieces of dubious origin. See my previous posting about why we don't have >a release-quality Mac Kermit yet. Well, if we are going to talk about things in the future, then maintaining a monolithic MacKermit is a waste of time. The future of Mac programming is increasingly modular. The CTB was just a first start: OpenDoc is just a year away and with it (I hope) the end of the do everything application. Advantages of modularity: 1) People can pick and choose there favorite tools. 2) Easy to add a new feature: ZMODEM, TCP/IP, etc. 3) A single hobbyist can write and maintain a tool in spare time. 4) Buy only the commercial parts you want. Right now, people would be better served by someone making a high quality freeware VT220 tool, writing an AppleScriptable character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with a more modern feature set. As for scripting, the last thing the Mac world needs is another application specific scripting implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it OSA compliant). --glenn From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 23:31:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 19:31:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 19:31:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:31:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >Well, if we are going to talk about things in the future, then >maintaining a monolithic MacKermit is a waste of time. The future >of Mac programming is increasingly modular. The CTB was just a >first start: OpenDoc is just a year away and with it (I hope) >the end of the do everything application. > >Advantages of modularity: >1) People can pick and choose there favorite tools. >2) Easy to add a new feature: ZMODEM, TCP/IP, etc. >3) A single hobbyist can write and maintain a tool in spare time. >4) Buy only the commercial parts you want. > >Right now, people would be better served by someone making a >high quality freeware VT220 tool... > Of course they would. Be my guest. >... writing an AppleScriptable >character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with >a more modern feature set. > So why isn't anybody doing this work? >As for scripting, the last thing the >Mac world needs is another application specific scripting >implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it >OSA compliant). > Oh boy, another three-letter-acronym to be compliant with. Everything you say is no doubt true, but recall that what we (in the Kermit project) try hard to do is write portable code with a portable interface that runs consistently on a wide variety of platforms over a variety of communication methods. All that while providing some of the best terminal emulators and file transfer software around. Somebody who lives in the Macintosh world could no doubt make a terrific Macintosh application, much more terrific and modular and TLA-compliant than we could, but that's exactly what it would be: a Macintosh app for the Macintosh world. So far, however, it seems that nobody has done that. A distinct advantage of Kermit software to some people -- those who live and work in a diverse computing and communications environment, as opposed to those who only see / feel / touch / know about one specific type of computer -- is that it is portable and familiar across many types of systems. That's one reason why we do not go out of our way to make applications like the one you describe above. Because then we would have to do the same thing for DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.x, Windows NT, Windows 9x, Motif, NeXTSTEP, DECwindows, HP Vue, and on and on and on, and then our software would be just like any other software that you bought in a store -- i.e. aimed at an individual mass-market user, with little or no commonality across platforms. Not that anything is wrong with that, it's only that we don't have huge "campuses" full of energetic full-time programmers rolling products out for the market share. In fact, when you think about it, it's pretty amazing what so few people have have produced for so many. There's no point complaining about Mac Kermit. We've got countless thousands of people who want it to be on a par with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit in terms of functionality, performance, support, and robustness (believe me about the countless thousands -- I get the mail), but nobody in the past few years who has had the time, inclination, and ability to do the work, nor anyone who has the cash to hire such a person. What do you want for free? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 03:19:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:44:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:44:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f180-090.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 03:19:01 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 147 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f180-090.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 04:19:46 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I should preface this by with the disclaimer that I wrote Kermit Tool GH and therefore am involved with a competing commercial product, SITcomm. So take what I say with a grain of salt. Also, I don't want anything I say to be construed as an attack on Frank da Cruz who has been extremely helpful to me and is a credit to the net community. What I say is in the spirit of a constructive debate. In article <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? >From: Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:31:05 GMT >>Right now, people would be better served by someone making a >>high quality freeware VT220 tool... >> >Of course they would. Be my guest. Unfortunately, I'm under a non-competition contract until next year or I might think about doing so, heck I am thinking about doing so. I, however, do not have any VT220 engine code; you do. >>... writing an AppleScriptable >>character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with >>a more modern feature set. >> >So why isn't anybody doing this work? I regret having to say this but it doesn't appear that anybody is doing any work on MacKermit either so this is sort of a mute point. Writing such a converter should be easy enough (I assume), trivial if the translation engine code is available in readable form. With such an engine I could probably write a little drag & drop/scriptable translator over a weekend with the most time being spent figuring out the best scripting interface. As for a more fully featured Kermit tool, a) there are at least 4 commercial tools of varying functionality, b) the freely available one is good enough for most people, c) most freeware communications programmers seem to be concentrating on TCP/IP applications. If any young programmer is reading, writing one will take about 3 months of weekends, buy Frank's book "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", get the current specs from their ftp site at Columbia, invest in "Inside the Macintosh Communication Toolbox" and get the specs on CTB 1.1 which should be on the apple ftp site. Also, don't write it by cutting and pasting, write it from scratch using the protocol specs, you'll be happy you did later. >>As for scripting, the last thing the >>Mac world needs is another application specific scripting >>implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it >>OSA compliant). >> >Oh boy, another three-letter-acronym to be compliant with. OSA allows the user to choose what scripting implementation he wants to use, examples: AppleScript, QuickKeys, Frontier. I didn't want to be AppleScript centric. >Everything you say is no doubt true, but recall that what we >(in the Kermit project) try hard to do is write portable code >with a portable interface that runs consistently on a wide >variety of platforms over a variety of communication methods. >All that while providing some of the best terminal emulators >and file transfer software around. Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. I've been playing around with the 2nd OD beta and it is really very cool. Right now I'm thinking about writing a spectra plotting part, but communication parts are a very real possibility. Otherwise, look at NetScape, which seems to be perfectly at home whether it is in Windows, MacOS, or X. >Somebody who lives in the Macintosh world could no doubt make a >terrific Macintosh application, much more terrific and modular >and TLA-compliant than we could, but that's exactly what it >would be: a Macintosh app for the Macintosh world. So far, >however, it seems that nobody has done that. Maybe that is your problem, no Mac programmer worth his bits wants to write a program that looks like it would be at home in DOS land. The Mac has a lot of services which should be used: CTB connections, system wide scripting, helper apps like Stuffit Expander, Open Transport, preemptive multi-threading for 68K machines (and next year all Macs) and proven & tested interface guidlines. It isn't perfect for serial communications: the current lack of preemptive multitasking being the most glaring problem, but it gives you a lot if you just go to the trouble of calling it. >A distinct advantage of Kermit software to some people -- those >who live and work in a diverse computing and communications >environment, as opposed to those who only see / feel / touch / >know about one specific type of computer -- is that it is >portable and familiar across many types of systems. That's one >reason why we do not go out of our way to make applications >like the one you describe above. Because then we would have to >do the same thing for DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.x, Windows NT, >Windows 9x, Motif, NeXTSTEP, DECwindows, HP Vue, and on and on >and on, and then our software would be just like any other >software that you bought in a store -- i.e. aimed at an >individual mass-market user, with little or no commonality >across platforms. Unfortunately, a lot of the software I unwittingly buy is built with just this mentality. I'm thinking of games that MacPlay puts out like Star Trek the 25th Anniversary game or Scrabble whose interfaces and bit resolutions seem to have been coded to the lowest common denominator of an 8-bit Nintendo. Absolute garbage which I loathe using when a month of programmer's time and somebody at MacPlay reading "Tog on Interface" could have made them a joy. >Not that anything is wrong with that, it's only that we don't >have huge "campuses" full of energetic full-time programmers >rolling products out for the market share. In fact, when you >think about it, it's pretty amazing what so few people have >have produced for so many. > >There's no point complaining about Mac Kermit. We've got >countless thousands of people who want it to be on a par with >MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit in terms of functionality, >performance, support, and robustness (believe me about the >countless thousands -- I get the mail), but nobody in the past >few years who has had the time, inclination, and ability to do >the work, nor anyone who has the cash to hire such a person. > >What do you want for free? I expect a program whose authors can say "This is my baby, I'm proud of it." Why else would anyone release freeware? Example Free Mac Programs whose authors can say this: Stuffit Expander, Disenfectant, JPEGView, Eudora, BBEdit Lite, Nuntius, Fetch, NewsWatcher, Audio Strip GH (this is cripple ware, but I'm proud of the free parts too). --glenn From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 06:05:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:17:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:16:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Distribution: na Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:05:24 GMT References: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> <1995May30.171628.52777@cc.usu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 30 May 95 17:16:28 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > Have you considered the best way might be to use the scripting > language (sic) provided by Kermits? Why "sic"? Is it not a _scripting_ language? Or is it not a _language_? Just curious. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 08:30:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 04:35:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 04:35:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!keith From: Dr Keith Howells Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cron job Date: 5 Jun 1995 09:30:29 +0100 Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department Lines: 13 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 X-Posting-Host: roentgen.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Frank da Cruz for his help with this problem. It turned out that the cron job ran alright after I had obtained the latest 5A(190) source and used that instead of the old 5A(188) one that I had. Perhaps there's a lesson there somewhere. Keith. -- Keith Howells email: keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Department of Diagnostic Radiology, Wansbeck General Hospital Ashington, Northumberland, UK From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 13:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:19:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:19:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 13:18:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 105 Message-Id: <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >As for a more fully featured Kermit tool, a) there are >at least 4 commercial tools of varying functionality, b) the >freely available one is good enough for most people, c) most >freeware communications programmers seem to be concentrating >on TCP/IP applications. If any young programmer is reading, >writing one will take about 3 months of weekends, buy >Frank's book "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", get the >current specs from their ftp site at Columbia, invest >in "Inside the Macintosh Communication Toolbox" and get the >specs on CTB 1.1 which should be on the apple ftp site. Also, >don't write it by cutting and pasting, write it from scratch >using the protocol specs, you'll be happy you did later. > Perhaps. But the real Kermit protocol engine is already inside Mac Kermit. 80% of a real VT320 emulator is there too. 90% of the Kermit script language is there too. The character-set translation is there too. I can see why people who live in the Macintosh universe would want something less monolithic and more modular, but that is putting a rather fine point on it. We already have something that almost works, and that shares code with literally hundreds of other Kermit implementations and an incredibly diverse range of platforms. The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford to maintain lots of code bases. Anybody in the Macintosh programming community who would like to see Macintosh Kermit reach fruition, by whatever means, is encouraged to take up where our last generation of volunteers left off. >Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform >and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. > More "standards"... I have to admit I have not even looked at OpenDoc. Why should I? Without even knowing what it is, let me take a guess: it is some new "standard" put forward by yet another "consortium" of "major players" which is so complex that the only way anyone could incorporate "compliance" with it into one's applications would be by licensing proprietary libraries and bloated development environments, and which, no matter how portable it is said to be, will not come close to covering the 400+ platforms covered by C-Kermit, the code base for Macintosh Kermit. And which probably requires megabytes of memory and disk, etc etc. Maybe I'm jaded, but don't these "standards" pop up and then fall by the wayside on a yearly basis? Am I the only one who sees the entire software industry grinding to a halt as it chases the holy grail of the latest self-proclaimed "standard" from Microsoft, Apple, IBM, or various consortia that fill the trade publications with glorious proclamations of future cooperation and openness, only to melt away before anybody has noticed? >Otherwise, look at NetScape, which seems to be perfectly at >home whether it is in Windows, MacOS, or X. > Of course, we are looking very carefully at the successful cross-platform apps. >Maybe that is your problem, no Mac programmer worth his bits >wants to write a program that looks like it would be at home >in DOS land. > Mac Kermit might have a somewhat crude user interface, but from the very beginning it has always been a true Macintosh point- and-click interface. Recently we added on C-Kermit's command-line interface in an optional "command window". Why? Primarily for scripting and dialing. Not only can script programs now be run in Mac Kermit, but they are the very same script programs that run in UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, OS-9, and on the Amiga and the Atari ST, and to a large extent also DOS and Windows. Thousands of sites have a huge investment in their installed base of Kermit scripts, and Mac Kermit's command-line interface "leverages" (as they say) that investment to the large installed base of Macs. That's not to say that Mac Kermit's graphical interface can or should not be improved. It needs a LOT of work. Most of the work that is needed could be done by a competent Mac programmer in a weekend. But we have not had a competent Mac programmer working on the project in several years. There is also a handful of show-stopper bugs in Mac Kermit, of the sort that could only be found and fixed by a good Mac programmer, one who is familiar with the quirks of the many Mac OS releases, hardware platforms, and ROMs. So the situation seems to be: countless thousands of people at thousands of sites WANT Mac Kermit to reach release level, but no Macintosh programmer will to touch it because it is not "pure". >Unfortunately, a lot of the software I unwittingly buy is >built with just this mentality. [coding to the lowest common >denominator] > Portability is not a "mentality" -- it's the way we provide code that works on more platforms than, probably, any other nontrivial program on earth. A good Mac programmer, such as yourself, who took on Mac Kermit would no doubt do a bang-up job, using all the available tools and features in such a way as not to compromise the quality for Mac users, but still maintaining the portability of the protocol and other common modules to the other platforms. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 19:06:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:21:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:21:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!support From: support@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Support Net Help Des) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.1 - Losing bytes during transfer Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:06:29 GMT Organization: HCF - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.2.5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a user on a 486 PC clone using Kermit v3.1 to a UNIX machine running 4E(027) (Jan 24, 1989). They are transferring (using Binary) a Lotus spreadsheet file to the UNIX machine. After the transfer is complete, they notice that the size of the transferred version of the file is smaller than the orginal. What's more, if they take the transferred version and transfer it back down to the PC, the size further decreases. It is my understanding that Kermit was to protect against this sort of "byte loss". Is this a bug, or is there something the user forgot to set? -Thanks, Gina M. Bates SupportNet Technician The Johns Hopkins University support@jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 18:54:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:25:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 18:54:02 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvjsa$5qs@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> References: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apologies for following-up to my own post... I wrote: >Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get >two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to >do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book >"Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit >from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other >way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null >modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. I believe I have the SGI tty ports configured correctly now; am currently struggling with talking to the PC. With C-Kermit running on the SGI, parity=none speed=9600 carrier=auto, I want to have (as the book "Using C-Kermit" says, "...port on a PC controlled by a Kermit server." My goal is to somehow "connect" to the PC, and run the MS-Kermit there in a server mode. Am I able to do this or must MS-Kermit already be running on the PC? This is all new to me and I'm confused, if I'm not explaining myself well, I apologise. Thanks for any pointers. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 20:32:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:32:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 20:32:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvplf$dvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> <3qvjsa$5qs@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvjsa$5qs@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: >... With C-Kermit >running on the SGI, parity=none speed=9600 carrier=auto, I >want to have (as the book "Using C-Kermit" says, "...port on a >PC controlled by a Kermit server." My goal is to somehow "connect" >to the PC, and run the MS-Kermit there in a server mode. Am I >able to do this or must MS-Kermit already be running on the PC? > I hope that "Using MS-DOS Kermit" is fairly clear on this. Chapter 11 describes two ways of accessing MS-DOS Kermit from another computer. (1) Point it at the desired communications device and then put it in server mode, or (2) use the CTTY COM1 trick. Unlike UNIX, you can't "log in" to an MS-DOS serial port. CTTY COMx is almost what you want, but it is fraught with peril, as explained in the book (i.e. not everything is redirected). So in every case, you have to set things up from the PC's real keyboard -- either a Kermit server or CTTY -- before expecting to find anything there when coming in from the SGI. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 19:17:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:47:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:47:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!yorick.umd.edu!rclayton From: rclayton@yorick.umd.edu (Rodney Clayton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for CICS/VSE question. Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yorick.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does Kermit for CICS/VSE read and write files to VSE? Does it dynamically create SD files? Does it create VSAM files? I have been looking thru the documentation I downloaded and I can't find the answer to this question. Thank's in advance Rod From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 16:34:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:53:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:52:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin Subject: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 16:34:09 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 20 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2908 comp.sys.sgi.admin:20387 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book "Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. I fear that the tty ports on the SGI are not configured correctly, and do not know what is necessary to set up to do this task. Any pointers/recommendations/examples (!) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. This task is not related to the Univ of Colorado; I don't work there, it's not for them, I'm graciously allowed access to newsgroups only. Help/advice from CU isn't an option. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 02:49:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:23:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:23:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 10:49 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-Id: <5JUN199510490297@almach.caltech.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes... >In article <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu>, >Roger Ivie wrote: >>... >>FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than >>C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my >>systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). >> >Kermit-32 is smaller than C-Kermit because it does less. But it's old and >no longer supported. I don't know anybody that can even compile it. Well, then you don't know anybody with a VAX running VMS. I just recompiled both the MACRO32 and BLISS-32 versions on two of my systems; one running VMS 5.5-1, the other running 6.2. There is one (minor) glitch in the command procedures supplied: There is a procudure called 'VMSREN.COM' which renames a bunch of files beginning with VMS to KER. But it renames too many of them; some of them should still begin with VMS. The very quick and dirty fix for this is to change all the RENAMEs to COPYs in 'VMSREN.COM'. Just recently, DEC's BLISS-32 compiler became freeware. It's on the latest DECUS Freeware CD, and is also available via anonymous ftp from flash.dmc.com, in the directory FREEWARET62:[BLISS], as well as from ftp.wku.edu, in the directory [VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS]. > And if it works on Alphas, it's a miracle. I haven't tried it, but there is a tool called VEST which is supposed to be quite good at converting VAX/VMS executables into Alpha executables. The BLISS compiler for VMS on an Alpha is also available at the above ftp sites, and just might be able to compile a working Kermit-32. I've never tried it, and I can't see why anybody with an Alpha would be trying to use Kermit-32. As you and Roger have pointed out, the only reason to run Kermit-32 instead of the more full-featured C-Kermit you cannot afford the performance ineffeciencies or memory requirements of C-Kermit. (I still use Kermit-32 on my VAX-11/730, for example.) Tim. (shoppa@krl.caltech.edu) Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 23:24:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:47:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:47:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!d2.tufts.edu!emerald.tufts.edu!not-for-mail From: balarie@emerald.tufts.edu (Barbara Alarie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: very basic question Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:24:15 -0400 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: emerald.tufts.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: : Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: : : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? : : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet : : error over and over. The kermit command is: set file type binary -- Barbara Alarie Academic Computer Services From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 02:39:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:33:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:33:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!hamer.ibd.nrc.ca!roberson From: roberson@hamer.ibd.nrc.ca (Walter Roberson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 6 Jun 1995 02:39:10 GMT Organization: National Research Council of Canada Lines: 46 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3r0f4e$qt7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <3qvbm1$av4@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hamer.ibd.nrc.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2911 comp.sys.sgi.admin:20399 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvbm1$av4@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: :Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get :two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to :do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book :"Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit :from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other :way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null :modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. :I fear that the tty ports on the SGI are not configured :correctly, and do not know what is necessary to set up to :do this task. Any pointers/recommendations/examples (!) :would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. There is very little to it. Just make sure that the port has been turned 'off' in /etc/inittab. When you get into kermit, 'set line' to whichever port you want (eg, set line /dev/ttyd2 ) and 'set speed' to whatever rate you want (eg, set speed 38400 ). Kermit does the rest of the configuring itself. You mention in one of your other postings that you do not have the manuals for your system. As such, you might not be aware that the serial port pin-out on the SGI is different than that on the PC. The DB-9 type connectors on an SGI are configured practically the same way as you would a DB25 connector, with the exception that what would be on pin 20 of the DB25 is carried on pin 9 of the DB9. Mini-DIN-8 connectors on the SGI are fairly different, and follow the MAC pin-outs: | 1 | DTR | Data Terminal Ready | | 2 | CTS | Clear To Send | | 3 | TD | Transmit Data | | 4 | SG | Signal Ground | | 5 | RD | Receive Data | | 6 | RTS | Request To Send | | 7 | DCD | Data Carrier Detect | |__8____|_SG______|_Signal_Ground__________| If you are using rates above 9600 bps, you should definitely use hardware flow control by wiring the appropriate pins and using /dev/ttyf* instead of /dev/ttyd* . Hardware flow control is a superset of modem control (/dev/ttym*), so you would need to cross-wire the CD (carrier detect) line to hold it high for your application. Walter Roberson roberson@ibd.nrc.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 09:06:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:44:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:44:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!jcarroll From: jcarroll@hk.super.net (Mr John Michael Carroll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Chinese input Date: 6 Jun 1995 09:06:56 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Supernet Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3r15rg$non@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: is1.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone tried using Kermit 3.14's terminal emulator with the ETEN Chinese system in Big 5. I can display the characters fine, but the input fails badly with some characters being truncated to one byte. Other times, Kermit appears to try to interpret the first half of a character as an instruction (to which the host curtly replies "invalid command"). I guess it's a comparatively simple keyboard mapping problem. But any good ideas will be gratefully received. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 12:49:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:49:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: very basic question Date: 6 Jun 1995 12:49:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3r1is1$iul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu>, Barbara Alarie wrote: >Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: >: Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: > >: : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? >: : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet >: : error over and over. > >The kermit command is: set file type binary > Actually, "set file type binary", although it is needed for transferring binary files, affects only the format of the file after transfer. If there are errors during the transfer -- "bad packets", retransmissions, etc -- that is a different issue. The most common cause of failure to transfer files, especially binary files, is that the communication path does not pass through the 8th bit. The cure is to tell one or both Kermit programs to: SET PARITY SPACE (or other value, other than NONE). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 03:37:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:39:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!detroit.freenet.org!detroit.freenet.org!ak434 From: ak434@detroit.freenet.org (Marc Zuckman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: command line parameters and C-Kermit Date: 6 Jun 1995 03:37:55 GMT Organization: Greater Detroit Free-Net, Detroit, MI Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: ak434@detroit.freenet.org (Marc Zuckman) Nntp-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a command line switch that will prevent C-kermit from hanging up the line after a file transfer operation is performed. I am using another communications program (minicom 1.71) on a Linux system. minicom calls kermit with a command line that looks like this for an upload: kermit -i -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename AS soon as the file transfer completes, kermit hangs up the line, and exits back to minicom. -- Marc Zuckman ak434@detroit.freenet.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 17:16:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:16:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: command line parameters and C-Kermit Date: 6 Jun 1995 17:16:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3r22i7$d6j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org>, Marc Zuckman wrote: >Is there a command line switch that will prevent C-kermit >from hanging up the line after a file transfer operation >is performed. > >I am using another communications program (minicom 1.71) >on a Linux system. minicom calls kermit with a command >line that looks like this for an upload: > >kermit -i -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename > >As soon as the file transfer completes, kermit hangs up the >line, and exits back to minicom. > Right. When any UNIX program exits, all of the files that it opened are closed automatically. That's a feature of UNIX. The command-line option "-l /dev/ttyS0" tells Kermit to open /dev/ttyS0, and so it will be closed, and therefore also hung up when Kermit exits. In fact, I am surprised that Kermit will even open the device, since, presumably, minicom already has it open and therefore, also presumably, has it "locked", which is supposed to prevent any other program from opening it at the same time. The solution to both of these problems is to give Kermit the file descriptor for the already-open device, instead of a device name. I don't know anything about minicom, but I expect that it must have a way of passing this information to external protocols, otherwise how could it possibly run them? The file descriptor is a small integer. When Kermit gets an integer as the argument to the "-l" option, it simply uses it as a file descriptor, and does not make any effort to close it upon exit. Example: kermit -i -l 4 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 15:59:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:31:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:31:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:59:11 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: :>In article <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu>, :>Glenn R. Howes wrote: :>>Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform :>>and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. :>> :>More "standards"... I have to admit I have not even looked at :>OpenDoc. Why should I? Without even knowing what it is, let me :>take a guess: it is some new "standard" put forward by yet another :>"consortium" of "major players" which is so complex that the only :>way anyone could incorporate "compliance" with it into one's :>applications would be by licensing proprietary libraries and :>bloated development environments, and which, no matter how :>portable it is said to be, will not come close to covering the :>400+ platforms covered by C-Kermit, the code base for Macintosh :>Kermit. And which probably requires megabytes of memory and disk, :>etc etc. Maybe I'm jaded, but don't these "standards" pop up and :>then fall by the wayside on a yearly basis? Am I the only one who :>sees the entire software industry grinding to a halt as it chases :>the holy grail of the latest self-proclaimed "standard" from :>Microsoft, Apple, IBM, or various consortia that fill the trade :>publications with glorious proclamations of future cooperation and :>openness, only to melt away before anybody has noticed? Whoa. I think we're talking OpenTransport here rather than OpenDoc here. OpenDoc is an object-oriented document system which has nothing to do with data communications and is a consortium project between Apple, IBM, Novell, etc. OpenTransport is Apple's upcoming low-level data communications/networking infrastructure with which Apple intends to replace the existing Mac communications/networking infrastructure in a couple of years and, as far as I'm aware, is an Apple-only project. -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 20:19:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:19:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:19:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.1 - Losing bytes during transfer Date: 6 Jun 1995 20:19:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3r2d8a$son@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu>, Support Net Help Des wrote: : I have a user on a 486 PC clone using Kermit v3.1 to a UNIX machine : running 4E(027) (Jan 24, 1989). They are transferring (using Binary) : a Lotus spreadsheet file to the UNIX machine. After the transfer : is complete, they notice that the size of the transferred version : of the file is smaller than the orginal. What's more, if they : take the transferred version and transfer it back down to the PC, : the size further decreases. : : It is my understanding that Kermit was to protect against this sort : of "byte loss". Is this a bug, or is there something the user : forgot to set? : It's likely to be a bug in the very old version of C-Kermit that you are using. Or maybe in the old version of MS-DOS Kermit. The best thing to do is install the current versions, 5A(190) and 3.14 respectively, and see if the problem persists. If so, send mail to kermit.columbia.edu and we'll figure out what's wrong. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 19:40:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:45:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:45:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as data-entry clerk Date: 6 Jun 1995 19:40:33 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems, Dublin, Ohio Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com Summary: Using kermit to eliminate data-entry redundancy Keywords: kermit variables X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950515BETA PL0] X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy all, I'll start w/ a little background: We have a customer how needs to get information from our proprietary database into a county-wide system. Unfortunately, the county-wide system does not allow batch transfers of any kind. Therefore, the customer has been paying a full-time employee to run a couple of reports on our system and then re-key the data into the other database. Needless to say, this is less than ideal. I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. No problem. Then I thought we could use Kermit's 'read', 'assign' and 'output' commands to fake the remote system into thinking a real -live human was on the other end. Something like: define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... open somefile.dat read \%z parse \%z output \%a output \%b output \%c ... However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. I've read the relevant pages in "Using MS-KERMIT" and understand that there are 10 temporary variables (0-9) and 26 permanent variables (a-z), but wonder if there's anyway I can "easily" change that or get around those limitations!? I'm open to ideas, comments or what-ever. I don't expect anyone else to code this for me, just looking for different perspectives. FWIW, I've considered breaking the records into multiple lines for the read command, but I think this will make the whole process much more fragile than it already is... Thanks Chuck -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 20:06:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!chaos.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!infoserv.rug.ac.be!eduserv!rsamanya From: rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: semaphore Date: 6 Jun 1995 20:06:16 GMT Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3r2cfo$e16@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: eduserv.rug.ac.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In one of the features, it is said that C-Kermit has fast semaphores. What does it mean? the Indonesian Cita Ceria, under OS/2 <\> ranan samanya ranan.samanya@rug.ac.be FIDONet 2:292/880.5 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 21:12:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!dakota.chem.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 6 Jun 1995 21:12:01 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3r2gb1$o6a@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dakota.chem.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:13:03 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Doug Dau, dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca writes: >Whoa. I think we're talking OpenTransport here rather than >OpenDoc here. > >OpenDoc is an object-oriented document system which has nothing >to do with data communications and is a consortium project >between Apple, IBM, Novell, etc. > >OpenTransport is Apple's upcoming low-level data >communications/networking infrastructure with which Apple intends >to replace the existing Mac communications/networking >infrastructure in a couple of years and, as far as I'm aware, is >an Apple-only project. Perhaps your right, however, I'm thinking of a future where the document centered paradigm of OpenDoc encompasses all aspects of what is now handled by the application centered paradigm. While I haven't seen it, Apple has demonstrated an OpenDoc container called CyberDog whose parts are things like ftp clients, WWW Browsers, JPEG Viewers, Sound Players. Third party developers can add things like a Kermit VT220 Telnet part for instance. If you are interested in this sort of thing, check out: http://www.ziff.com:8006/~macweek/mw_051595/news3.html --glenn From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 15:20:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:20:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit as data-entry clerk Date: 7 Jun 1995 15:20:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 87 Message-Id: <3r4g3v$cdr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit variables Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, Chuck Stickelman wrote: : We have a customer how needs to get information from our proprietary : database into a county-wide system. Unfortunately, the county-wide : system does not allow batch transfers of any kind. Therefore, the : customer has been paying a full-time employee to run a couple of : reports on our system and then re-key the data into the other database. : Needless to say, this is less than ideal. : : I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit : would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. : No problem. Then I thought we could use Kermit's 'read', 'assign' : and 'output' commands to fake the remote system into thinking a real : -live human was on the other end. Something like: : : define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... : open somefile.dat : read \%z : parse \%z : output \%a : output \%b : output \%c : ... : : However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one : instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. : I've read the relevant pages in "Using MS-KERMIT" and understand that : there are 10 temporary variables (0-9) and 26 permanent variables (a-z), : but wonder if there's anyway I can "easily" change that or get around : those limitations!? : Yes, there are many ways to do this. First, two observations: 1. If you are providing Kermit software to your customers, you have to obtain written permission from the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution at Columbia University. Email to kermit@columbia.edu for further information. 2. You'll need version 3.14. So you are saying that you can't do the obvious thing, namely: open somefile.dat :loop read \%z if fail goto done output \%z ; or "output \%z\13", etc, ... goto loop :done In other words, you have to send one "word" at a time? One solution that suggests itself immediately is to create the original file in a different format, e.g. one field per line. You just have to think up some convention for distinguishing between a field boundary and a record boundary. (It's not clear to me from your description how you were doing this in the first place -- I don't see any kind of field or record delimiters in your example.) MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 includes a full complement of string manipulation functions -- index, substring, replace, etc, that you should be able to use creatively to solve your problem. For example (assuming fields are delimited by a single space): :RECORDS read \%a ; read a record if fail goto done ; no more, we're finished :FIELDS assign \%j \flength(\%a) ; length of record if > \%j 0 goto gotfield ; no (more) fields, get another output ??? ; send your record delimiter here goto records ; go get next record :GOTFIELD assign \%i \findex({ },\%a,1) ; got record, find first space decrement \%i if < \%i 1 asg \%i \%j ; no spaces, must be last field assign \%f \fsubstr(\%a,1,\%i) ; get the field output \%f ; send it (and add field delimiter) increment \%i 2 ; point past it assign \%a \fsubstr(\%a,\%i) ; and go get next field goto fields :DONE See KERMIT.UPD for more info about string functions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 23:07:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 19:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 19:07:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for CICS/VSE question. Date: 7 Jun 1995 23:07:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3r5bg0$lf9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu>, Rodney Clayton wrote: >How does Kermit for CICS/VSE read and write files to VSE? >Does it dynamically create SD files? >Does it create VSAM files? I answered this privately by e-mail, but here's a quick note in case anyone else was wondering... Kermit-CICS doesn't create files dynamically, except within the Kermit- maintained directory stored on a VSAM file. Kermit can write TD and TS queues, and the latter are indeed created dynamically, but are only temporary. This is all described in the user's guide. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 03:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:29:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:29:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!mkercher From: mkercher@netcom.com (Matthew Kercher) Subject: Re: Kermit as data-entry clerk Message-Id: Keywords: kermit variables Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 03:29:27 GMT Lines: 36 Sender: mkercher@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) writes: >I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit >would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. > define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... > open somefile.dat > read \%z > parse \%z > output \%a > output \%b > output \%c >However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one >instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. >Charles A. Stickelman I have a bunch of macros that I'll mail to you (too big to post here) which take a line of text and parse it into named variables ($1 - $9). I'll also send you some shift-left and shift-right macros which make manipulating these variables easy. The problems that I've worked around are: . MSK's \%1 - \%9 variables work great for most things, but the command parser doesn't like to expand them at the end of definitions or assignments (e.g., _assign $\m(x) works great, but _assign $\%1 doesn't work for some reason having to do with the way the line is parsed). . You only have 9 command line variables and no way to shift them down easily. Read puts the entire line (record) into the variable \%z, but getting at the fields past 9 has proven difficult (but solvable by parsing, shifting, etc.) -Matt (mkercher@netcom.com) -- /-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-\ | Matt Kercher kercher@netcom.com | + Naval Aviation Depot (0413) (510) 263-6502 + | Alameda, CA 94501-5008 | + Standard disclaimer-these thoughts are mine, thank you. + \-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 20:38:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:33:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:33:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 7 Jun 1995 20:38:55 GMT From: ts4@piis10.joanneum.ac.at Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 16:22:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!cobra.uni.edu!cobra.uni.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LPT Output to File Message-Id: <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu> From: marty.mark@uni.edu Date: 8 Jun 95 11:22:42 -0500 Reply-To: marty.mark@uni.edu Organization: University of Northern Iowa Nntp-Posting-Host: mark.iscs.uni.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit for DOS v3.13 is it possible to redirect printer output to an ascii file? Thank you! Marty Mark, University of Northern Iowa marty.mark@uni.edu 319-273-6258 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 15:47:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:06:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:06:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Xon-Xoff and modem buffers help Message-Id: <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 11:47:35 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Net people and Kermit hackers ( in the old sense of the word, please! ), I am in a quandary... If i set my pratical periperals modems to factory defualts, and then use x-on xoff flow control as demanded by VMS's hacker ( ok, new sense ! ) evasion, then all is very nice, no errors, but if I xoff and try to stop the flow of data to the screen, there is a humongous buffer in the modems somewhere of data already in the pipeline that will not respond to the xoff.. On the other hand, if i take all error corrections off and make the modem try to be a direct wire, i can xoff and xon nicely, but errors abound as in Psalm 19:12 "Who can discern his errors? ... " 8-) So, after downloading a 200 page paper from Practical Periperials, I'm throughtly confused... Should I enable all error corrections, and then enable pass-thru xon xoff via the Q commands??? Or am I still talking moonshine? My Old setup was 19.2 Kbaud ports on the DECserver, 1.44 pp modems, and generic whatever to dial in, testing with pp modems.. I'm open to change/ideas. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 07:36:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:06:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:06:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WinKermit v2.x Message-Id: <1995Jun8.123617.7833@ais.com> Date: 8 Jun 95 12:36:17 EST References: <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 3rx7donetss@vms.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) writes: > Hey, > I pulled off a fantastic kermit program that runs in Windows 3.1 and > allows for the convenience of multitasking. I'm fairly certain that > this is the latest version of this software (ftp: > Oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/win3/internet/wnkerm23.zip). However, there is > one very annoying aspect--it transfers a max of 94 bytes per packet!! > Although you can work on other things during downloads, it is 30 times > slower than ms-kermit. > > If anyone has a solution, I would be extremely grateful. > > Thanks in advance, > > Si WinKermit, as you note, does do a pretty good job of doing basic terminal emulation under Windows. Its file transfer capabilities are, however, minimal. If the terminal emulation aspect is sufficient for your purposes, then go for it; otherwise, you will have to stick with MS-DOS Kermit or use something like the Zmodem protocol in WinQVT (its Kermit protocol support is also rather minimal) or some similar program. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 06:59:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LPT Output to File Message-Id: <1995Jun8.125931.53658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 12:59:31 MDT References: <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu>, marty.mark@uni.edu writes: > Using Kermit for DOS v3.13 is it possible to redirect printer output to an ascii file? > > Thank you! > Marty Mark, University of Northern Iowa > marty.mark@uni.edu > 319-273-6258 ------------ The manual, command SET PRINTER . Defaults to device PRN. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 21:58:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:20:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit script and macro libraries. Date: 7 Jun 1995 21:58:24 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3r57e0$obt@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a FAQ listing where various, sundry and useful Kermit Macros & and Scripts can be found on the net? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 07:09:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:27:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:27:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Xon-Xoff and modem buffers help Message-Id: <1995Jun8.130932.53660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 13:09:32 MDT References: <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Net people and Kermit hackers ( in the old sense of the word, > please! ), > > I am in a quandary... > > If i set my pratical periperals modems to factory defualts, and then > use x-on xoff flow control as demanded by VMS's hacker ( ok, new sense > ! ) evasion, then all is very nice, no errors, but if I xoff and try > to stop the flow of data to the screen, there is a humongous buffer in > the modems somewhere of data already in the pipeline that will not > respond to the xoff.. > > On the other hand, if i take all error corrections off and make the > modem try to be a direct wire, i can xoff and xon nicely, but errors > abound as in Psalm 19:12 "Who can discern his errors? ... " 8-) > > So, after downloading a 200 page paper from Practical Periperials, > I'm throughtly confused... Should I enable all error corrections, and > then enable pass-thru xon xoff via the Q commands??? Or am I still > talking moonshine? > > My Old setup was 19.2 Kbaud ports on the DECserver, 1.44 pp modems, > and generic whatever to dial in, testing with pp modems.. I'm open > to change/ideas. --------------- You can bypass much of the problem by defining a convenient key as keyboard verb \Kholdscrn and then relying upon point to point flow control of hardware or software kinds to handle the comms link. The holdscreen operation blocks reading of the comms buffer which drives the terminal emulator; it does not touch the comms link itself but rather lets the receive buffer fill to the high water mark. Since VAXen are not normally RTS/CTS flow control devices you are better off using specific flow control at each point in the link, to minimize propagation/buffer queue delays inherent in sending a bare XON/XOFF end to end to the remote VAX host to act upon. Please do ask someone to look carefully at the DECserver box to ascertain how it wishes to be treated. If you try only end to end flow control then parts in the middle are highly vunerable to being overrun. Generally RTS/CTS between your PC and your modem is the most desirable configuration, and let your modem deal with the other modem, et seq. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 20:08:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:12:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:12:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: String manipulations Date: 8 Jun 1995 20:08:53 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What calls are there to parse a string? Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL will provide DUMB.FIL It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 20:58:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:11:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:11:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: CONNECT question... Date: 8 Jun 1995 16:58:20 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, folks, I have an oddball question. I am fairly new to kermit scripts, and I am in the process of porting from one machine to another a series of kermit scripts. I've come across a minor bugaboo -- When issuing a connect over a TCP/IP connection, either through TELNET or CONNECT, the login sequence from the target machine grabs command of the terminal window and will control it until I force an escape back to kermit. This mungs up the automatic nature of the login, and essentially makes the script useless. The version of C-kermit is : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for HP-UX 9.0 Numeric: 501190 Any suggestions? J. Fielek -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 Teej Idolator #00001 Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 21:07:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:28:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:28:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dbikle.a2i!dbikle From: Dan Bikle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 8 Jun 1995 21:07:04 GMT Organization: Caltech Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dbikle Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I get to wait. So, I'm thinking... how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? -Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel B. Bikle/Independent Oracle Consultant dbikle@alumni.caltech.edu | 415/941-6276 | P.O. BOX 70 LOS ALTOS CA 94023 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 01:05:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:12:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:12:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pegasus to Unix conversion Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 01:05:45 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu At my place of employment we have two mail systems. The first is pegasus on our Local Network. The second is Pine mail (UNIX) on a Sun computer. We do not have access to a SLIP or a PPP connection. We have about 15 hookups to the Sun through a pad. Is it possible to compose a message in pegasus, queue that message, convert it to a Unix format, upload the message to the Sun computer via kermit, and than send the message through internet mail? I know that this may be complicated procedure and may not be possible, but if I can somehow automate a procedure through a kermit script file we will have the ability to do all of our mail with one mail system. Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:17:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:17:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:17:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pegasus to Unix conversion Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:17:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3r9omj$me6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net>, Rick Luhman wrote: : At my place of employment we have two mail systems. The first is : pegasus on our Local Network. The second is Pine mail (UNIX) on a Sun : computer. We do not have access to a SLIP or a PPP connection. We : have about 15 hookups to the Sun through a pad. Is it possible to : compose a message in pegasus, queue that message, convert it to a Unix : format, upload the message to the Sun computer via kermit, and than : send the message through internet mail? : Yes. : I know that this may be complicated procedure and may not be : possible, but if I can somehow automate a procedure through a : kermit script file we will have the ability to do all of our mail : with one mail system. : Many sites do this sort of thing. The Kermit script language is perfect for it. See the appropriate "Using..." book for complete instructions on writing script programs, with numerous examples and illustrations, etc. For more info about the manuals, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:35:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:35:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:35:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: String manipulations Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3r9pob$nr8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com>, Brit Systems wrote: >What calls are there to parse a string? >Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. > >getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL >will provide DUMB.FIL > >It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. > When posting questions like this to (as Pnews would say) "the entire civilized world", it's always a good idea to make your posting as useful as possible -- in this case by specifying which software and version you are talking about. Let's assume you are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not earlier) or C-Kermit 5A(190). In that case, the answer is yes. Read about the string functions in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, or in the book "Using C-Kermit". Here, for example, is a (perhaps not totally straightforward) trick for getting the "basename" from a DOS file specification, which is in the variable \%f: asg \%f \\\%f ; Prepend a backslash asg \%9 \freverse(\%f) ; Reverse the string asg \%8 \findex(\,\%9,1) ; Find first backslash decrement \%8 ; Length of string before backslash asg \%9 \fsubstr(\%9,1,\%8) ; Extract it asg \%9 \freverse(\%9) ; Unreverse it - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:40:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:41:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:41:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Re: CONNECT question... Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:40:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3r9q23$o5a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com>, Josh J Fielek wrote: >Okay, folks, I have an oddball question. I am fairly new to kermit >scripts, and I am in the process of porting from one machine to >another a series of kermit scripts. I've come across a minor bugaboo. > No you haven't, you just haven't read the manual, which explains how script programming works. >When issuing a connect over a TCP/IP connection, either through TELNET >or CONNECT, the login sequence from the target machine grabs command >of the terminal window and will control it until I force an escape >back to kermit. This mungs up the automatic nature of the login, and >essentially makes the script useless. > Because you are using the wrong commands. If you had read the manual, you would know that the CONNECT command *connects* your keyboard and screen to the remote host, suspending executing of any script (command file or macro) until the CONNECT command terminates, i.e. until you escape back or the remote host breaks the connection. Don't use CONNECT in a script program unless that's what you want. If you want your script program to interact with the remote host or service, omit the CONNECT command and use INPUT and OUTPUT commands instead. Please read the manual before posting more questions like this. Thanks. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 031 294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:44:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:45:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:45:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:44:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3r9q9n$ohh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle wrote: : Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. : But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems : : -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) : -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity : : Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need : to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to : establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I : get to wait. So, I'm thinking... : how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), : and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? : : Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? : Of course. UNIX C-Kermit is a full telnet client, which (unlike telnet itself) is also capable of transferring files, and (also unlike telnet itself) can be programmed to do everything automatically, using its script language. Thus, if you connection take a long time, you don't have sit there impatiently waiting for the login process to complete -- just write a script program to do it, start it up, and go out to lunch while it runs. For further information, see our Web site at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 07:37:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:58:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:58:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 9 Jun 95 12:37:57 CDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: [snip] : > : > So, I'm thinking... : > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), : > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? : > : > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? : --------- : Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather : than just trying it. Go try it, please. : Joe D. I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt. Situation: Dial into terminal server with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, telnet to OSF/1 box, start C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, DEC OSF/1 1.0 telnet (from within C-Kermit) to the VMS box, start C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS AXP put it in server mode, then get stuck. I couldn't escape back to OSF/1's C-Kermit, only to MS-DOS Kermit. The only way out was to hang up. Note: I'm using WinQVT/Net today, so I was able to try it without worrying about confusing MS-DOS Kermit. I have a terminal window that is stuck at KERMIT READY TO SERVE... I can't seem to escape out of VMS's Kermit back to the OSF/1's Kermit. I'm in another window right now that is also connected to the OSF/1 box, so I guess I'll go back out to the shell and issue a kill -9 pid to kill the stuck session. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I tried every control key to get out of this. The only one that responded was ^esc, which popped up the task list in Windows. Thanks, Troy Smith P.S. I know that the versions of C-Kermit that we're running are a bit outdated, but I'm not the sysadmin on either machine and am not in a position to make the upgrade--thanks for the suggestion, though. Also, the OSF/1's Kermit is fibbing--we're running OSF/1 3.0, to be upgraded to 3.2 this weekend. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 02:34:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:13:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:13:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!3RX7DONETSS From: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WinKermit v2.x Date: 8 Jun 1995 02:34:07 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 8 Message-Id: <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsb.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey, I pulled off a fantastic kermit program that runs in Windows 3.1 and allows for the convenience of multitasking. I'm fairly certain that this is the latest version of this software (ftp: Oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/win3/internet/wnkerm23.zip). However, there is one very annoying aspect--it transfers a max of 94 bytes per packet!! Although you can work on other things during downloads, it is 30 times slower than ms-kermit. If anyone has a solution, I would be extremely grateful. Thanks in advance, Si From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 23:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 9 Jun 1995 23:15:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3rakn5$q7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, SMITH TROY D wrote: :Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: ::In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, :: Dan Bikle writes: :: > So, I'm thinking... :: > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), :: > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? :: > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? :: --------- :: Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather :: than just trying it. Go try it, please. :: Joe D. : :I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The :only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the :MS-DOS Kermit prompt. : Kermit, like telnet, has the notion of an "escape character" followed by a single character-argument. If you have a series of Kermit and/or telnet programs in CONNECT mode, then typing C brings you immediately back to the closest one whose escape character is Ctrl-\. In general, suppose you are running C-Kermit on host A, connected to intermediate host H1, and from there to intermediate host H2, etc, up to intermediate host Hn, and from there to host B, like so: A---H1---H2---H3- ... -Hn---B Then Ctrl-\C brings you back immediately to host A. Why? Because that is exactly what it is supposed to do. Remember, the copy of C-Kermit running on host A is the one that is reading your keyboard. Whenever it sees the escape character, it looks at the single character that follows, and this character tells it what to do. If the next character is C, then it returns to its prompt. But if the next character is a second copy of the escape character, then it sends *one* copy of the escape character out the communication channel, where it is received, in this case, by host H1. So if you want to escape back to host H1, what do you type? Answer: Ctrl-\Ctrl-\C Quiz: what do you type in order to escape back to host H2? H3? Hn? Hint: You can work around conundrums like this by assigning a different escape character to the Kermit (or telnet) running on each host. Use the SET ESCAPE command for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 09:36:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:03:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:03:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun9.153653.53748@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 15:36:53 MDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 64 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: > [snip] > : > > : > So, I'm thinking... > : > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), > : > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? > : > > : > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? > : --------- > : Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather > : than just trying it. Go try it, please. > : Joe D. > > I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The > only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the > MS-DOS Kermit prompt. > > Situation: > > Dial into terminal server with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, telnet to OSF/1 box, > start > > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, DEC OSF/1 1.0 > > telnet (from within C-Kermit) to the VMS box, start > > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS AXP > > put it in server mode, then get stuck. I couldn't escape back to OSF/1's > C-Kermit, only to MS-DOS Kermit. The only way out was to hang up. > > Note: I'm using WinQVT/Net today, so I was able to try it without > worrying about confusing MS-DOS Kermit. I have a terminal window > that is stuck at KERMIT READY TO SERVE... > > I can't seem to escape out of VMS's Kermit back to the OSF/1's Kermit. > I'm in another window right now that is also connected to the OSF/1 > box, so I guess I'll go back out to the shell and issue a kill -9 pid > to kill the stuck session. > > If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I tried every > control key to get out of this. The only one that responded was ^esc, > which popped up the task list in Windows. > > Thanks, > > Troy Smith > > P.S. I know that the versions of C-Kermit that we're running are a > bit outdated, but I'm not the sysadmin on either machine and am not > in a position to make the upgrade--thanks for the suggestion, though. > Also, the OSF/1's Kermit is fibbing--we're running OSF/1 3.0, to be > upgraded to 3.2 this weekend. --------- Yup to the P.S. Please do, and recommend the remote VAX sysadmin do the same. To end Kermit packet mode (protocol mode, if you like) issue a FINISH or BYE command from the client. FIN leaves the other end running, BYE shut down the far end and logs out the comms connection. That's in the manual. To escape back to a "local (one hop away)" C Kermit prompt issue the C Kermit escape character, Control-\, from MS-DOS Kermit. Works fine for me. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 01:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:19:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:19:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.easynet.co.uk!carphone From: carphone@easynet.co.uk (carphone warehouse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending NULL's to a printer Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 01:36:40 GMT Organization: the carphone warehouse Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: carphone.easynet.co.uk Keywords: KERMIT, VT320, NULL, PRINTER X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help me ? We are looking to drive a printer via kermit and the command we need to send is p Unfortunately, KERMIT keeps stripping out the character. Can this be stopped ? Please could you answer either by posting to this group or by e-mailing me at the address below. Thanks Leon Russell - Carphone Warehouse IT Dept From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 05:38:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (Miriam Chan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Chinese input Date: 8 Jun 1995 05:38:22 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3r62ce$2fr@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <3r15rg$non@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: @dec41.cs.cuhk.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr John Michael Carroll (jcarroll@hk.super.net) wrote: :-) Has anyone tried using Kermit 3.14's terminal emulator with the ETEN :-) Chinese system in Big 5. I can display the characters fine, but the input :-) fails badly with some characters being truncated to one byte. Although I don't know what your problem is, but I have no problem in getting Kermit work with my Chinese system (Eten also.) By the way, did you set your UNIX terminal to pass 8-bits ? If you didn't, you can do that by type 'stty pass8' in the prompt. :-) Other :-) times, Kermit appears to try to interpret the first half of a character :-) as an instruction (to which the host curtly replies "invalid command"). I :-) guess it's a comparatively simple keyboard mapping problem. But any good :-) ideas will be gratefully received. I think it is the 'terminal control' setting which cause this, but I haven't experienced it. In my Kermit, I set this to 7-bit. Chan Wai Ming. -- ******************************************************************************* * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * | s917635@mailserv.cuhk.hk (15/G$$$e) * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************* * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 06:31:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:45:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:45:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@oslonett.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and AIX X.25 Date: 8 Jun 1995 08:31:43 +0200 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone adapted the Sun X.25 sources to the IBM AIX version of X.25 ? Thanks Steinthor -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 11:43:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 05:45:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 05:45:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending NULL's to a printer Message-Id: <1995Jun9.174309.53757@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 17:43:09 MDT References: <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk>, carphone@easynet.co.uk (carphone warehouse) writes: > Can anyone help me ? > > We are looking to drive a printer via kermit and the command > we need to send is p > > Unfortunately, KERMIT keeps stripping out the character. > > Can this be stopped ? > > Please could you answer either by posting to this group or > by e-mailing me at the address below. > > Thanks > > Leon Russell - Carphone Warehouse IT Dept ------------- Should work just fine with transparent printing. Which Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit I presume), which version, and just how is the printing arranged (what did the host send to turn on printing)? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 21:57:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:57:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:57:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AIX X.25 Date: 10 Jun 1995 21:57:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3rd4gi$de6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no>, Per H Lange wrote: >Has anyone adapted the Sun X.25 sources to the IBM AIX version of X.25 ? > No. It would be a good thing to expand C-Kermit's X.25 support, but unfortunately there is no standard API for X.25 as there is for TCP/IP. So what is really needed is for someone (not me -- I don't even have access to an X.25 network) to develop a standardized interface between C-Kermit and an X.25 network, and then write the necessary interfaces between it and SunLink X.25 (both old and new versions), AIX X.25, H-P X.25, DEC VAX PSI, etc. This would be a rather big job... If anybody is interested in doing this work, please let me know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 15:34:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:12:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:12:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Date: 10 JUN 95 15:34:17 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 73 Message-Id: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I am revising a Kermit script that worked fine with a serial line for use on ethernet network. The program, shown below, offers menu of choices and then performs initial login operations. Problem is that the ASK command used to get input from user now seems to hang up the program. Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution? I tried various things, including moving the TAKE that retrieves the internet addresses after the ASK, but nothing seems to work. Things seem to work OK if I remark out the problematic line and use ASSIGN to set the variable (\%v) for the selection. Any suggestions appreciated (even if I've overlooked something amazingly simple ... which has never happened before, of course). Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 take c:\net\ipset.ini ; menu echo ************************************ echo B - Bridge (UofM and UofW libraries) echo M - Manitoba IBM Mainframe (UofM) echo U - Unix (UofW IO) echo V - Vax (UofW) echo ************************************ echo ;script hangs up at following ASK ;input accepted and assigned to variable but then nothing ;on , cursor moves to beginning of input prompt ;any additional characters typed overtype prompt ;next return ends up at Kermit prompt ;everything works OK if ASSIGN used for fixed value of \%v ask \%v Type letter of choice, then ?\32 ; choose subroutine if equal \%v b goto bridge if equal \%v m goto uman if equal \%v u goto io if equal \%v v goto vax stop ; end script if no match :bridge ; Bridge / UofM Library logon SET PORT TCP umopac.umanitoba.ca connect input UML=> output set lib uow\13 goto end :uman ; UofM Mainframe logon SET PORT TCP ccm.umanitoba.ca connect goto end :io ; IO Unix option SET PORT TCP io.uwinnipeg.ca connect goto end :vax ; Vax option SET PORT TCP uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca connect goto end :end From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 10:03:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 01:17:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 01:17:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: String manipulations Message-Id: <1995Jun8.160322.53682@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 16:03:22 MDT References: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > What calls are there to parse a string? > Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. > > getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL > will provide DUMB.FIL > > It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. ------------- For what operating system, please? Version of Kermit too. Take a look at the \f...() functions of the current C kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 23:16:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:50:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:50:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: maynard@interaccess.com (Maynard Riley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 8 Jun 1995 23:16:13 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3r80bt$ado@nntp.interaccess.com> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Reply-To: maynard@interaccess.com (Maynard Riley) Nntp-Posting-Host: d123.nnb.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu should work if you telnet in and run kermit on the remote. I do it from OS/2 to a unix host From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 12:02:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:05:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:05:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 18:02:41 MDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: > Hi there, > > Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. > > But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems > > -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) > -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity > > Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need > to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to > establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I > get to wait. > > So, I'm thinking... > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? > > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? --------- Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather than just trying it. Go try it, please. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 12:55:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:20:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:20:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Message-Id: <1995Jun10.185538.53818@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Jun 95 18:55:38 MDT References: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>, clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) writes: > Hi > > I am revising a Kermit script that worked fine with a serial line for use > on ethernet network. The program, shown below, offers menu of choices and then > performs initial login operations. Problem is that the ASK command used to get > input from user now seems to hang up the program. Has anyone else had this > problem and found a solution? I tried various things, including moving the > TAKE that retrieves the internet addresses after the ASK, but nothing seems to > work. Things seem to work OK if I remark out the problematic line and use > ASSIGN to set the variable (\%v) for the selection. Any suggestions > appreciated (even if I've overlooked something amazingly simple ... which has > never happened before, of course). > > Best Wishes > Jim > > James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) > Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA > University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX > R3B 2E9 > > > take c:\net\ipset.ini > > ; menu > echo ************************************ > echo B - Bridge (UofM and UofW libraries) > echo M - Manitoba IBM Mainframe (UofM) > echo U - Unix (UofW IO) > echo V - Vax (UofW) > echo ************************************ > echo > > ;script hangs up at following ASK > ;input accepted and assigned to variable but then nothing > ;on , cursor moves to beginning of input prompt > ;any additional characters typed overtype prompt > ;next return ends up at Kermit prompt > ;everything works OK if ASSIGN used for fixed value of \%v > > ask \%v Type letter of choice, then ?\32 > > ; choose subroutine > if equal \%v b goto bridge > if equal \%v m goto uman > if equal \%v u goto io > if equal \%v v goto vax > stop ; end script if no match > > :bridge ; Bridge / UofM Library logon > SET PORT TCP umopac.umanitoba.ca > connect > input UML=> > output set lib uow\13 > goto end --------- I don't think you want CONNECT before the script login particulars. Recall that CONNECT is a mode and won't be left until the user decides to do so. Scripts do NOT run in Connect mode. INPUT/OUTPUT do an automatic comms channel startup so they can perform their jobs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 16:53:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:29:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:28:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!nms.etri.re.kr!usenet From: kjcheon@tolley.etri.re.kr (Kyeong Jae Cheon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help, X, Y, Z and Kermit Protocol Specifications & Source Code Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 16:53:34 GMT Organization: ETRI Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: p_kjcheon.etri.re.kr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, everyone I would like to know basic communication protocols(X, Y, Z, Kermit). If you know ftp site or text book about them, please inform to me. Thank you. (Korean Language : Gam Sa Hap Ni Da.) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 02:57:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:43:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:43:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!garybarr From: garybarr@netcom.com (Gary Barrentine) Subject: Kermit and 10baseT Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:57:32 GMT Lines: 17 Sender: garybarr@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A client has a Novell Netware 3.12 system based on a 10baseT network. I have added a Unixware machine to the network. I tested the Unixware system using BNC network connection and it worked fine. Now with the same set up with the exception of the connection type, none of the clients with kermit can find the Unixware box. Does anyone have a DOS based Netware 3.12 network with a unix box attached to it. Please help. GB -- ============================================================================ = The truth is out there! = D E F E A T = ====================================== is worse than death, for defeat = = garybarr@netcom.com = you must live with! = = Atlanta, GA = GET INTO THE ZONE!!! = = Gary Barrentine = BRUNZWICK ZONE! = ============================================================================ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 14:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:46:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help, X, Y, Z and Kermit Protocol Specifications & Source Code Date: 11 Jun 1995 14:46:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3revkq$9ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr>, Kyeong Jae Cheon wrote: >Hello, everyone >I would like to know basic communication protocols(X, Y, Z, Kermit). >If you know ftp site or text book about them, please inform to me. >Thank you. (Korean Language : Gam Sa Hap Ni Da.) > Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. US single-copy price: $32.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $32.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $38 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +441 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) And... Tim Kienzle, "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols", Coriolis Group Books, Scottsdale AZ (1995), ISBN 1-883577-20-9, Distributed by IDG Books Worldwide. Web: http://www.coriolis.com/coriolis/orders/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 02:40:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:26:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:26:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!nsze From: nsze@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Newman Sze) Subject: Looking for a kermit program Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:40:50 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2955 comp.protocols.misc:4702 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where I can obtain a copy. Thanks in advance Newman -- ........................................................................... -- -- ------ - -- - -- -- -- -- -- // \ // // \\ //\\ // //\\ //\\ //\\ //\ // From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 01:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:17:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:17:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 10baseT Message-Id: <1995Jun9.071303.53720@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 07:13:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , garybarr@netcom.com (Gary Barrentine) writes: > A client has a Novell Netware 3.12 system based on a 10baseT network. I have > added a Unixware machine to the network. I tested the Unixware system using > BNC network connection and it worked fine. Now with the same set up with > the exception of the connection type, none of the clients with kermit > can find the Unixware box. > > Does anyone have a DOS based Netware 3.12 network with a unix box attached > to it. Please help. -------------- It's not Kermit. Probably you've changed the wiring to go through another router and hence be on a different IP network with a new subnet mask, etc. In any case that's a matter you should bring up in TCP/IP News groups. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 13:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:30:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:30:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: The manual... Date: 9 Jun 1995 09:49:17 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could some kind soul post specifics about good C-Kermit books? J. Fielek K-newbie -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 Teej Idolator #00001 Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 19:13:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:13:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:13:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Re: The manual... Date: 11 Jun 1995 19:13:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3rff8f$nfl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com>, Josh J Fielek wrote: >Could some kind soul post specifics about good C-Kermit books? > Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 031 294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:30:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:05:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:04:58 -0400 Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:30:10 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: KS Services <71264.2436@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3qtvc5$cu9$14@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3qtvc5$cu9$14@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 12:33:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:31:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:31:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!labtam!news.mel.aone.net.au!OzEmail!usenet From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ms-Dos Kermit 3.13 versus 3.14 Date: 9 Jun 1995 12:33:49 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 2 Message-Id: <3r9f3d$7lc@oznet06.ozemail.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: slsyd2p03.ozemail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 0 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 3.10.06.07 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 13:05:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:15:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:15:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!syrinx.isotro.ca!user From: mark@isotro.ca (Mark M.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit to Kermit Problem Date: 12 Jun 1995 10:05:39 -0300 Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Lines: 28 Sender: news@nstn.ns.ca Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: owl.nstn.ns.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to upload to a BBS (Wildcat S/W V3) using KEAterm V4.1. The two Kermits do not work, I get an error message: error: unable to open or write file I have tried many different settings for kermit - no luck. Downloading works fine. Procomm's kermit works fine with the Wildcat BBS S/W. Zmodem works fine. I have no problems connecting to Compuserve's kermit or others. Does anyone have any experience with these products. KEAterm supports CKERMIT v5a (188) or Kermit 32 V3.3.117 or better. Wildcat is not forthcoming in its level of Kermit support. The only diff I see is that KEAterm has a max packet size 1013 - procomm works fine at a packet size of 1024. Can it be that the packet size on the BBS s/w must see a size of 1024? Your experience and expertise is greatly appreciated. Please email me direct - I will summarize and repost. Thanks, -- Mark M. Ottawa, Canada mark@isotro.ca www.isotro.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 04:42:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:01:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:01:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Kermit 3.1.4 makes my Windows 3.1 apps crash! Message-Id: <1995Jun12.104248.53890@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 10:42:48 MDT References: <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch>, FUTTERBAU@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Frehner Marco) writes: > Hello > > I've been using Kermit for a while and with version 3.1.3 thing normally worked > quite well. Except for occasional crashes of otherwise well-behaved programs > (MS-Winword 2.0, MS-Excel 5.0) when Kermit was doing a file-transfer in the > background. > However, after upgrading to Kermit 3.1.4 (and using 2000 character packets), > things got a lot worse. > I cannot work anymore during a file transfer as there will be random GPF's in > Winword and errors similar to "Cannot load ANYDLL.DLL" in Excel. > My Computer is an IBM PS/VP 433DX (33 MHz, 20 MB Ram) running MS-Dos 5.02 and > MS-Windows 3.1. I am running Kermit over a direct link (using a T-box and > broadband communications) to a VAX server. > > Has anyone experienced similar problems? I would greatly appreciate any hints. ------------ Welcome to Windows, a hostile land for any communications process. It's not Kermit itself, but rather some combination of ingredients in your PC. Lovely. We can't diagnose the many ills that involve Windows, of course, but the best that I can suggest is a) review your memory management with a very careful eye to detail, and b) don't expect the stock Windows comm driver to work much above 9600 bits/sec. If you've fallen victim to using Smartdrive then remove it since it turns off cpu recognition of interrupts when it does buffer flushes. Screen savers are another gotcha waiting to strike. Finally, please do take note of Kermit's use of EXPANDED memory for screen rollback buffers. We discuss that in the release documentation. Good luck with the investigation, and you have plenty of company with Windows GPF's from any cause. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 16:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:08:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:08:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.hklink.net!news.asiaonline.net!usenet From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lonely Lily - Still Alive! Date: 12 Jun 95 17:48:55 HKT Organization: Asia On-Line Limited, Wanchai, Hong Kong. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Reply-To: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Nntp-Posting-Host: ip113.asiaonline.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rumors of Lily's demise are greatly exagerated. As I said before, my friend Lily lives in Hong Kong, like me. She loves to receive phone calls from foreign men. She does not have computer, so I am sending this message for her. If you want to call her and you are in the United States the number is 011 852 1747 3094. Callers from other countries need to put the international code then 852 1747 3094. No e-mail please. Sylvia Wong PS. Lily sends her love to all the boys at new@pobox.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 14:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:00:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:00:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!usenet From: FUTTERBAU@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Frehner Marco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit 3.1.4 makes my Windows 3.1 apps crash! Date: 12 Jun 1995 14:51:17 GMT Organization: ETH ZUERICH Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: cumuli.ethz.ch X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I've been using Kermit for a while and with version 3.1.3 thing normally worked quite well. Except for occasional crashes of otherwise well-behaved programs (MS-Winword 2.0, MS-Excel 5.0) when Kermit was doing a file-transfer in the background. However, after upgrading to Kermit 3.1.4 (and using 2000 character packets), things got a lot worse. I cannot work anymore during a file transfer as there will be random GPF's in Winword and errors similar to "Cannot load ANYDLL.DLL" in Excel. My Computer is an IBM PS/VP 433DX (33 MHz, 20 MB Ram) running MS-Dos 5.02 and MS-Windows 3.1. I am running Kermit over a direct link (using a T-box and broadband communications) to a VAX server. Has anyone experienced similar problems? I would greatly appreciate any hints. Thanks a lot for your help! Bernt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bernt Fischer Inst. Plant Sci.; Fed. Inst. Tech. ETH-Zentrum; 8092-Zuerich, Switzerland Tel. ++41/1/632 38 88 Fax. ++41/1/632 11 53 e-mail: futterbau@ipw.agrl.ethz.ch private: bernt@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch ----------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 13 02:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:40:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:40:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a kermit program Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:06:33 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3rirr9$rrs@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2964 comp.protocols.misc:4708 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Newman Sze wrote: >I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where >I can obtain a copy. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 15:04:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:33:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:33:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with kermit and/or modem Message-Id: <1995Jun12.210415.53924@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 21:04:15 MDT References: <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento) writes: > I gave an old 8086 PC to my nephew who apparently deleted some > system files. He apparently also deleted all kermit-related files that > I had on it before I gave it to him. > > My problem is now that I have put kermit back on the PC I cannot get the > modem to respond at all. I am 99.9% sure the file MSCUSTOM.INI is correct, > but when I try to run kermit I get no response after giving the atz > command (should get an OK). > > I used the kermit command 'sho communication' on both his and my PC and > the only difference I see (other than using different COM ports) is that > his "carrier detect" is off. Would this have anything to do with it? If > so, what command would I use to enable carrier detect? ---------- First, Carrier Detect is a signal from the modem to the PC, not the other way around. Second, the serial hardware isn't what it seems to be or you have chosen ports 3/4 without specifying the proper IRQ for them. This is discussed at length in the documentation accompanying MSK and I recommend you have a look at it as well as at the serial board in the machine. Remember, there can be no conflicts about IRQ or port addresses; else things simply do not work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 12:41:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:16:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:16:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.ge.com!news.vf.mmc.com!cnn.motown.ge.com!unilab!rfullert From: rfullert%unilab@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Keith Fullerton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a kermit program Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Jun 1995 12:41:59 GMT Organization: Martin Marietta, Moorestown NJ Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3rk12n$36f@cnn.MOTOWN.GE.COM> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: unilab.motown.ge.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2966 comp.protocols.misc:4709 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Newman Sze (nsze@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Hi, : I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where : I can obtain a copy. : Thanks in advance : Newman : -- : ........................................................................... : -- -- ------ - -- - -- -- -- -- -- : // \ // // \\ //\\ // //\\ //\\ //\\ //\ // If you can get a copy of the book _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ by Cristine M. Gianone it comes with a version of the program for PCs. You can also write to : Kermit Distribution Columbia University Center for Computing Activities 612 Weat 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA for distribution infromation and information about other platforms. I'm sure there is a web site as well but I don't know the UDL. Sorry. _________________________________________________________________________ Keith "If you fall in love with someone with low self esteem, they think you're crazy" rkf _________________________________________________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 16:41:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:09:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:09:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 13 Jun 1995 16:41:29 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 5 Jun 1995 13:18:58 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx >tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There >is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford >to maintain lots of code bases. Maybe most of this stuff is common, but I'm not so sure about the common nucleus of VTxxx code. MS kermit seems to have one terminal emulator state machine, OS/2 kermit another, it sounds like MAC has yet another. On the other hand, it would be really nice if there were a common VTxxx module... Is there a "common" emulator that I just can't find in the maze of six character file names out there? :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 06:13:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:08:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit to Kermit Problem Message-Id: <1995Jun12.121332.53898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 12:13:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mark@isotro.ca (Mark M.) writes: > I am trying to upload to a BBS (Wildcat S/W V3) using KEAterm V4.1. > The two Kermits do not work, I get an error message: > error: unable to open or write file > I have tried many different settings for kermit - no luck. > Downloading works fine. > Procomm's kermit works fine with the Wildcat BBS S/W. > Zmodem works fine. > I have no problems connecting to Compuserve's kermit or others. > Does anyone have any experience with these products. > > KEAterm supports CKERMIT v5a (188) or Kermit 32 V3.3.117 or better. > Wildcat is not forthcoming in its level of Kermit support. > > The only diff I see is that KEAterm has a max packet size 1013 - procomm works > fine at a packet size of 1024. Can it be that the packet size on the BBS > s/w must > see a size of 1024? > > Your experience and expertise is greatly appreciated. > Please email me direct - I will summarize and repost. ----------------- How curious. The Kermit protocol is designed to be upward compatible, so these version number things and packet length things are peculiar indeed. The two sides negotiate packet lengths, unless the authors did not do the negotiations properly. You are probably prepared for this, so here it is again. The Columbia Kermit Project has a nifty MS-DOS Kermit suitable for use on BBS', it's MS-DOS Kermit Lite. It's within the quick-start kit, binary file msvibm.zip in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. The Kermit implementation found on most BBS' is best described as dreadful, hence our creation of "the real thing" Lite edition. There are some rules to be followed by BBS operators, but they are simple to comply with. The places to take your KEAterm and Wildcat BBS concerns are to those vendors. Before you do, a hint is maybe you have no write access on that BBS. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 20:15:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 12 Jun 1995 20:15:51 GMT From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Control: cancel <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 21:44:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:14:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:14:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!homer.louisville.edu!arwill01 From: arwill01@homer.louisville.edu (Amy R. Willard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: nonfunctional function keys Date: 12 Jun 1995 21:44:16 GMT Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3ricfg$itr@hermes.louisville.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.louisville.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 11:13:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:39:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:39:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Date: 11 JUN 95 11:13:19 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 15 Message-Id: <11JUN95.11131924@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> References: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi The problem with ASK not functioning properly appears to have been with the version or copy of Kermit that was distributed with the network software. ASK worked fine with an older version of Kermit, so I got the latest version of Kermit from watsun.cc.columbia.edu and everything is fine now. Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 00:09:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:57:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:57:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!mpc From: mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with kermit and/or modem Date: 13 Jun 1995 00:09:11 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 19 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I gave an old 8086 PC to my nephew who apparently deleted some system files. He apparently also deleted all kermit-related files that I had on it before I gave it to him. My problem is now that I have put kermit back on the PC I cannot get the modem to respond at all. I am 99.9% sure the file MSCUSTOM.INI is correct, but when I try to run kermit I get no response after giving the atz command (should get an OK). I used the kermit command 'sho communication' on both his and my PC and the only difference I see (other than using different COM ports) is that his "carrier detect" is off. Would this have anything to do with it? If so, what command would I use to enable carrier detect? -- mike contento || mpc+@pitt.edu || http://www.pitt.edu/~mpc/mpc.html wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww My mama always told me - internet newsgroups are like a box of choc'lits - you just never know which ones got the nuts in it. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 22:05:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21790 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:37:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:36:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun13.030508.95068@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 13 Jun 95 03:05:08 CDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <3rakn5$q7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, : SMITH TROY D wrote: : :I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The : :only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the : :MS-DOS Kermit prompt. : : : Kermit, like telnet, has the notion of an "escape character" followed by : a single character-argument. If you have a series of Kermit and/or telnet ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is what I didn't know. It now works fine. Thanks to all who responded. [snipped essay on escape characters] Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 16:09:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:41:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:41:01 -0400 Date: 13 Jun 1995 16:09:36 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: CFLR63C@prodigy.com (Jo-anne Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3rk9jl$11qi@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3rk9jl$11qi@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 18:08:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:38:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:38:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!yorick.umd.edu!rclayton From: rclayton@yorick.umd.edu (Rodney Clayton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: getting kermit os/2 working with kermit at&t Date: 13 Jun 1995 18:08:58 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yorick.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a copy of ckermit 5A for os/2 which works fine with ckermit 5A on ultrix. I am tring to get my os/2 ckermit to talk to ckermit 4E at&t running on an rs6000. when I try to rec files from the at&t version the os/2 version doesn't seem to recognize the packets the at&t version is sending. How cam I trouble shoot this problem. Is there a way to use the settings on the ultrix version to get the at&t version working? Thank's Rod KA3BHY From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 14 05:34:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:06:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:05:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit as a Line Analyser Message-Id: <1995Jun14.113435.53985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Jun 95 11:34:35 MDT References: <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk>, dcoles@datlog.co.uk (Dave Coles) writes: > I occasionally need to monitor traffic on RS-232 lines connecting > computers to terminals, modems, computers and other equipment capable of > providing an RS-232 connection. The frequency is such that buying a > line/protocol analyser is not a justifiable expense. > > I would like to use Kermit on a PC to provide the capability to > display/log the traffic up and down the line. The line characteristics > baud rate, stop/data bits and parity will always be known. Connection > will be via a three plug ribbon cable connecting both endpoints and the COM1: > port on the PC. > > Has anyone tried this? What cabling/Kermit problems will occur when I try > to connect everything together? -------- The problems are electrical in the first instance. RS-232 receivers draw current and paralleling them is not a swift idea. Kermit runs only one serial port at a time, and thus cannot have UARTs snooping on two wires at once. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 12:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:59:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:59:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: getting kermit os/2 working with kermit at&t Date: 15 Jun 1995 12:59:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3rpas4$9v5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu>, Rodney Clayton wrote: >I have a copy of ckermit 5A for os/2 which works fine with ckermit 5A >on ultrix. I am tring to get my os/2 ckermit to talk to ckermit 4E >at&t running on an rs6000. > Is there any reason why you don't use C-Kermit 5A(190) -- the current version -- on the RS/6000? Also, "ckermit 4E at&t" doesn't sound quite right. The RS/6000 is made by IBM, not AT&T. It sounds to me like you are running not only an ancient, but also totally misconfigured and inappropriate, version of C-Kermit on the RS/6000. >when I try to rec files from the at&t >version the os/2 version doesn't seem to recognize the packets the >at&t version is sending. How cam I trouble shoot this problem. >Is there a way to use the settings on the ultrix version to get the >at&t version working? > Let's install a version of C-Kermit on the RS/6000 that dates from the modern era and that is configured for the appropriate version of AIX: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make rs6aix32c for AIX 3.2, which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Type "help" at the prompt for more info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 10:29:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:54:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:54:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Message-Id: <1995Jun13.162929.53960@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Jun 95 16:29:29 MDT References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: >>The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx >>tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There >>is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford >>to maintain lots of code bases. > > Maybe most of this stuff is common, but I'm not so sure about the common > nucleus of VTxxx code. MS kermit seems to have one terminal emulator state > machine, OS/2 kermit another, it sounds like MAC has yet another. On the > other hand, it would be really nice if there were a common VTxxx module... > > Is there a "common" emulator that I just can't find in the maze of six > character file names out there? :-). -------------- As convenient as that might seem to you it is not a reasonable request. Terminal emulation is a *lot* more than just a state machine, and those other parts are extremely system dependent. In the case of MS-DOS Kermit one does not get the present features in the present size and speed by converting to generic/API-based C code. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 18:25:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:39:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:39:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set carrier on, server ## Date: 15 Jun 1995 18:25:07 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.14. I'm running through some scenarios with "set carrier on, server" and what happens when you loose the carrier. Here is what I get. 1) set carrier on, server, break connection, server exits 2) set carrier on, server, start getting file, break connection, file transfer terminates, server waits forever (at least as long as I wanted to wait). 3) set carrier on, server 120, start getting file, break connection, file transfer terminates, server waits until timeout then exits. 4) set carrier on, server 120, start getting very big file, file transfer completes, server exits since it it past timeout. Specifically on scenario 2 and 3, is this just me? And on a related issue. 1) dial someone, set carrier on, start sending file, break connection, file transfer terminates. 2) don't call anyone, set carrier on, start sending file, file transfer eventually times out. It seems that only connect checks if CD before it starts. Send, receive, remote and server don't seem to check CD when they start. Is this right? So if I want to check CD myself, what's the best way. "wait 0 cd" seems to work but it prints and ugly "?Timeout message". \v(carrier) only says what you set carrier to. Is there a \v(cd)? I seem to have seen \CD written but don't know how to use it. Thanks again, for the many times ya'll have helped, Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 14 12:55:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:53:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:53:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!starlight.datlog.co.uk!dns2!dcoles From: dcoles@datlog.co.uk (Dave Coles) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as a Line Analyser Date: 14 Jun 1995 12:55:54 GMT Organization: Data Logic Limited (A Raytheon Company). Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: dns2.datlog.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I occasionally need to monitor traffic on RS-232 lines connecting computers to terminals, modems, computers and other equipment capable of providing an RS-232 connection. The frequency is such that buying a line/protocol analyser is not a justifiable expense. I would like to use Kermit on a PC to provide the capability to display/log the traffic up and down the line. The line characteristics baud rate, stop/data bits and parity will always be known. Connection will be via a three plug ribbon cable connecting both endpoints and the COM1: port on the PC. Has anyone tried this? What cabling/Kermit problems will occur when I try to connect everything together? -- Regards, ************************************************************************** * David Coles * EMail: dcoles@datlog.co.uk * * Data Logic Limited, CI Tower, *-------------------------------------* * St George's Square, High Street, * Phone: +44 (0)81 715 9696 Extn 405 * * New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4HH * Fax : +44 (0)81 715 1771 * ************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 22:30:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:30:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,aus.kermit Subject: Difficulty obtaining Kermit manuals Date: 16 Jun 1995 22:30:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-Id: <3rt0lb$c7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2979 aus.kermit:42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that some of the phone numbers that were published for Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann / Reed Elsevier (the publisher of the three English-language Kermit books) were wrong. We have verified with the publisher that the following list is true and accurate and up to date: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) * +1 416 598-0045 (Toronto, ON office for Canada) * +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) * +65 356-1925 (Singapore office for Asia etc) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) +91 3282580 (New Delhi office for India) +852 5 539289 (Hong Kong) +55 011 492-4496 (Brazil office for South America) The ones marked with * are new or changed. We have attempted to update all our online files and Web pages, etc, to show the right numbers. In the meantime, anybody outside the USA who has had difficulty locating these books is encouraged to try (or have their bookstores try) the new numbers. Readers in Australia and New Zealand: please note that the Chatswood NSW office will be moving soon and the number will change. So now is a good time to call :-) Of course, people in all countries can also order direct from Columbia University. We have all three books in English, and we also have the French edition of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", so French Canadians need not order it all the way from France. See our Web page for further information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html or send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Meanwhile, there have also been reports that the German editions are hard to find. The first reason for this is that we published the wrong fax number for the publisher, Verlag Heinz Heise in Hannover. The correct fax number is: +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 (not 53 23-1 29). The voice number (which was published correctly) was, and still is: +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 The rest of the story will be narrated by our excellent friend and German translator, Gisbert W. Selke: The situation is thus: Heise has run out of pre-packaged book+disk combos. There are still books galore lying around, but they want to package MS-Kermit 3.14 with it -- a sensible thing to do, I think, for all the new feechures! In order that people may make use of all the new goodies, they want to put translated versions of the update, beware and help files on disk. This is currently being prepared; so, yes, in a sense, it *is* sold out, but then again, it is *not*. I'd reckon it'll take the new books four weeks to appear in the stores. If that's fast enough for you, fine -- you'll have it right up to date! Otherwise, if you're pressed for time and would be content to receive the updated on-disk manuals at a later time, I imagine they'd be willing to supply you with what they have right away. (end quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 03:59:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:42:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:42:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Message-Id: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:59:25 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I using Ckermit with Linux, and CKermit is not sending the correct key strings for PF1 and PF2. I looked in the manual it just said make sure that the correct emulation is in effect, and the have the key assignments correct for VT300 emulation in the X-Term session. Of intereset when using "show key" the only the first part of the key string is shown in the case of PF1 only \27 the other part is on the next line with the Ckermit prompt. Is it possible to use VT key emulation in a connect session with Ckermit for Unix (I'm using Linux). Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 17 15:55:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 17 Jun 1995 15:55:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I using Ckermit with Linux, and CKermit is not sending the correct key >strings for PF1 and PF2. I looked in the manual it just said make sure that >the correct emulation is in effect, and the have the key assignments >correct for VT300 emulation in the X-Term session. > >Of intereset when using "show key" the only the first part of the key >string is shown in the case of PF1 only \27 the other part is on the next >line with the Ckermit prompt. > >Is it possible to use VT key emulation in a connect session with Ckermit >for Unix (I'm using Linux). > Time to add this one to the FAQ. C-Kermit comes in basically two varieties: . The version for OS/2 that had direct access to the keyboard and screen, and therefore can see keyboard scan codes and so on, and can do true terminal emulation. Here you have comprehensive key mapping ability. . The versions for UNIX, VMS, and so on, that do not have direct access to the keyboard and screen, and rely on your console driver, terminal window, external terminal emulator (such as MS-DOS Kermit), or actual terminal to perform the terminal functions. UNIX is an interesting case. Traditionally, UNIX was accessed through a terminal that was plugged into a terminal port on a timesharing system. Thus, there *is* no keyboard and screen -- just a communication port. In recent years, this type of access has been largely replaced by terminal servers, but there is still no keyboard and screen. However, now that we have a plethora of PC-based UNIX varieties that run on workstations (PCs) that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, not a multibyte scan code. Thus, even if your console driver has programmed (say) your F1 key to send (say) ESC O P, Kermit will read three characters in succession, as if they were three keystrokes, not one. It has no way of knowing that you pressed the F1 key. As far Kermit knows, you pressed the Esc key, then the O key, then the P key. Now perhaps Linux *does* have a system call to let an application at the keyboard. But... (a) In what contexts does it work? Only on the raw console? In an xterm window? etc etc. (b) Does it require special privilege to execute? (c) What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on PCs -- FreeBSD, SCO, Solaris/Intel, etc etc? (d) What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on non-PC workstations -- SunOS, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, SGI, etc? So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. I'll add this to FAQ. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 17 18:41:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:14:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:14:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!not-for-mail From: Edward Doolittle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Robust kermit dialing scripts (was Re: kermit 3.13 question) Date: 17 Jun 1995 19:41:46 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 94 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <9506171827.AA13971@brauer.math.toronto.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Host: brauer.math.toronto.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Expires: References: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto Subject: Re: kermit 3.13 question Summary: Keywords: [Apologies for this late response... news posting has been out at our site for several weeks, and it took me some time to find an alternate site from which to post.] > In article <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com>, > Jeff Schneider wrote: >> 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: >> a. connect directly trough a com port >> b. dial the modem - area code optional, >> prefix optional >> c. connect directly through a network card. In article <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Still, your script program can't be a mind reader. It doesn't know if the > laptop it is running on is in the owner's house, in a hotel, on an airplane, > or plugged in to a network (or if it is, whether the network should be used > instead of the serial port or internal modem). So there will still need > to be some hints from the user. That is, the user will still have to know > something. Like whether s/he is in a hotel room or at home. And what > the dialing prefix is, and whether an area code is needed, etc. The script could try to connect over the network. If failure, it could try the serial port, sending CR or LF or BREAK and waiting for the ogin: sequence. If that doesn't occur, then the script could try the modem. Probably the most reliable way to dial the number is to have the user dial the number on an attached telephone and have the local modem take over once the remote modem answers. That would probably require a modem with both line and phone jacks, but it is a robust method for making the call, permitting the user to deal with any human telephone operators encountered, and with any complicated local instructions for making a call (e.g., "dial 9 then the long distance carrier identifier,", etc.). That the user has to know something beyond the number to which they want to connect is a bug, not in kermit but in the phone systems that we have constructed. If I am on the Interenet and want to connect to a remote site, all I need to know is the IP address of the site. Why should the phone system be any different? For example, if I want to dial a local number, I can't use the 1- long distance prefix. What kind of design decision is that? That means that I must know my current area code as well as the destination area code (and in some cases, even the distance from source to destination!) in order to call anyone. Or I have to use trial and error. That's easy enough for most humans most of the time, but what about machines? A similar example appeared in the Risks Digest (comp.risks) recently. An empty pop machine kept calling an office desk phone number. It turned out that the pop machine had been moved from one area code to another, so that the number that originally belonged to the supplier's computer became the number of a human being in an office. If the area code could have been included in the phone number, that would not have occurred. Problems like these could be solved if we pressured the phone companies enough to do something about them. In a time of increased competition from the Internet and cable companies, I'm sure they'd be delighted with suggestions for improving the utility of their systems. > Yes, the don't > have to be helpless in the face of complicated technology. What is the 90's > word for that... empowerment? Doing it once is empowerment. Doing it 100 times is just slavery once again. Yes, I could talk directly to my modem or figure out the required dialing prefix by consulting all of the provided reference tomes, but once I know what to say to it I want to give the job to a script. Real empowerment is creating a machine to do the job for you. The real problem here is that we assume too much of users, not too little. The hugeness of our assumptions only becomes apparent when we try to replace some of the functions performed by users with functions performed by machines. Complexity in itself is not a virtue. While successfully handling complexity may make us feel good, unsuccessfully handling it, or handling it over and over again, may cause quite the opposite effect, and may in fact lead to unanticipated dangers. Ed From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 10:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:40:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set carrier on, server ## Message-Id: <1995Jun15.165614.54075@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jun 95 16:56:14 MDT References: <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 95 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > I am using MS-Kermit 3.14. > > I'm running through some scenarios with > "set carrier on, server" and what happens when you loose the carrier. > > Here is what I get. > > 1) set carrier on, server, break connection, server exits Yup. The way it ought to be. > 2) set carrier on, server, start getting file, break connection, > file transfer terminates, server waits forever > (at least as long as I wanted to wait). Correct. The current session terminated. Server mode was perpetual. > 3) set carrier on, server 120, start getting file, break connection, > file transfer terminates, server waits until timeout then exits. The very last part needs improvment but basically it's ok. > 4) set carrier on, server 120, start getting very big file, > file transfer completes, server exits since it it past timeout. Yes, that's what the 120 says, be a server for that long. > Specifically on scenario 2 and 3, is this just me? > > And on a related issue. > > 1) dial someone, set carrier on, start sending file, break connection, > file transfer terminates. Yup. Correct. > 2) don't call anyone, set carrier on, start sending file, > file transfer eventually times out. Never a carrier then no CD drop state, and hence "no problem." Head scratching goes here. > It seems that only connect checks if CD before it starts. > Send, receive, remote and server don't seem to check CD when they start. > Is this right? They don't. They have no idea of the state of the comms channel so they work so long as bytes can be sent or they run out of retries. See below for more on this part. Again, modems aren't the only way of talking. > So if I want to check CD myself, what's the best way. > "wait 0 cd" seems to work but it prints and ugly "?Timeout message". > > \v(carrier) only says what you set carrier to. > > Is there a \v(cd)? I seem to have seen \CD written but don't know > how to use it. No, there isn't. Maybe there should be, but then modem comms are only one of many comms channels. In addition, testing for CD involves firing up the serial port and we may not want that to happen. > Thanks again, for the many times ya'll have helped, > Robbie Barton ---------- Let me be candid on this topic. From the beginning of MS-DOS Kermit steps were taken to ensure the program would not fail because some modem wire wasn't high or low. That philosophy has carried (sic) forward to the present. Kermit is not dependent on a modem being present and healthy. Near the release time of MSK v3.14 we had a very reasonable request to drop connections when CD vanished, and I added code to accomplish that task. We got there but just barely. For CD dropping to be a failure one must first have CD asserted, which explains your "don't call anyone" case. There's room to quibble here. From your report we see that matters are slightly muddled regarding what to do when CD drops. The principal reason for the muddle is CD is a data link item and ought not penetrate into the higher level software such as protocol stacks etc. There are many other communications pathways which do not involve CD. In addition, the Kermit file transfer stack has automatic retries on failures (from any cause, reasons for failures are normally worthless: failed is failed) and they don't know about the comms link troubles. So retries occur, and server mode is basically a loop with retries (with CD off most of the time, of course), and so on. What can we do about this? Not much right now. I'll have to do the doing in the next release and try to add CD sensitivity where possible without making a hash of the code. It won't be perfect in the sense that CD dropping kills the program in a flash, as happens to programs totally dependent on modems, but it will be better than at present. And we need to explain a little more carefully what terminating a session means versus exiting server mode completely. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 05:28:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:13:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!gw2.att.com!ucbeh!fernanrc From: fernanrc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tek4014 or tek4105 emulation Message-Id: <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh> Date: 16 Jun 95 10:28:16 EST Keywords: tek4014 or tek4105 Distribution: world Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Forgive me if this is part of an FAQ, but can Kermit emulate Tek4014 or Tek4105? Thanks, Rachel Fernandez (fernanrc@uc.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 04:49:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:49:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!enterprise!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tek4014 or tek4105 emulation Message-Id: <1995Jun16.104934.54110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Jun 95 10:49:33 MDT References: <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh>, fernanrc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes: > Forgive me if this is part of an FAQ, but can Kermit emulate Tek4014 or Tek4105? > > Thanks, > Rachel Fernandez > (fernanrc@uc.edu) --------- 4014 yes, 41xx and 42xx no. The 41xx and above are fancy graphics workstations with more memory and specialized hardware than PCs, so emulation is not realistic in MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 17:42:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:00:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:00:57 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Message-Id: <1995Jun18.174208.8863@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 17:42:08 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- >C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only >for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of >mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring >your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. > >I'll add this to FAQ. > >- Frank Thanks for the information. I configured the Xmodmap for xterm and Ckermit would read each key as a single key. However, that was for F1. I will try with another key and see what happens. Thanks, Has anyone done this before and if so could you post or e-mail examples please. Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 21:13:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:25:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:25:24 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: connection hangup when called from another program X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.mtsac.edu Message-Id: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:13:09 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to keep kermit from doing that? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 13:03:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:03:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:03:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: connection hangup when called from another program Date: 19 Jun 1995 13:03:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: : Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order : to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby : not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to : keep kermit from doing that? : Are you talking about the UNIX version? If so, please read section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file, "C-Kermit as an External Protocol". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 14:34:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!aaladm26.lib.unc.edu!user From: romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cursor Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:34:24 -0400 Organization: Academic Affairs Library Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: aaladm26.lib.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, Does any one know of any way to turn the terminal cursor blink off, or even just off (as opposed to set terminal cursor block or underline). It is a setup feature on VT420 terminals and I have a user who is _very_ interested in doing it in MS-Kermit 3.14. So far the I have found DOS level utils that let me control the cursor in DOS and will supress the cursor at the MS-Kermit prompt, but not once I connect. TIA -- David Romani Manager of Desktop Systems Library Systems CB 3900, Davis Library University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27514-8890 david_romani@unc.edu 919.962.1288 (Voice) / 919.962.0484 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 16:06:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:52:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:52:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!balsam!mikeh From: honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ordering Books - Editions / versions covered Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 16:06:59 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3s47co$ud@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm about to place an order for Using MS-DOS Kermit and Using C-Kermit and wanted to make sure the books cover MS Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5A. I would also appreciate knowing about any discount book sellers that carry the books. Finally, I already own the second edition of Using MS-DOS Kermit (1991). Is this the latest edition? Thanks Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 04:05:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:29:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:29:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cursor Message-Id: <1995Jun19.100536.54278@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jun 95 10:05:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) writes: > Folks, > > Does any one know of any way to turn the terminal cursor blink off, or > even just off (as opposed to set terminal cursor block or underline). It > is a setup feature on VT420 terminals and I have a user who is _very_ > interested in doing it in MS-Kermit 3.14. So far the I have found DOS > level utils that let me control the cursor in DOS and will supress the > cursor at the MS-Kermit prompt, but not once I connect. ---------- The IBM PC display adapter hardware controls cursor blinking, and there are no blinking controls available in the hardware. The DOS utils to which you refer are trying to play games with character sets and hooking the timer tick interrupt to include and then make invisible the cursor and so on; they can't control the real cursor blinking because there isn't any control. Sorry to report this, but the question comes up every few months and there isn't a satisfactory solution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:17:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!newsmaster From: mb21@academia.swt.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Date: 20 Jun 1995 01:17:43 GMT Organization: Southwest Texas State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s57jn$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.modem1.cc.swt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc@columbia.edu Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This problem doesn't happen. Thanks, Michael... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!newsmaster From: mb21@academia.swt.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Date: 20 Jun 1995 01:17:59 GMT Organization: Southwest Texas State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.modem1.cc.swt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This problem doesn't happen. Thanks, Michael... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 05:07:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:37:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 05:07:46 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2994 comp.dcom.modems:98532 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service Provider? Thanks, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 06:19:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:31:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:31:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Re: connection hangup when called from another program X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.mtsac.edu Message-Id: <173C2147EF.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 References: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:19:07 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Oops, yeah forgot to mention I compiled it on my own for the Linux version. Thanks for the pointer, that's what I was looking for. In article <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >In article <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, >Curtiss Cicco <1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >: Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order >: to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby >: not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to >: keep kermit from doing that? >: >Are you talking about the UNIX version? If so, please read section >11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file, "C-Kermit as an External Protocol". > >- Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 18:08:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:05:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:05:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: free-agent-spam@spam.com (Spammer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Free Agent Spam Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:08:12 GMT Organization: Spam Inc. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Reply-To: Spam@free-agent.spam.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dd14-031.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Free Agent, Spam Ware Without Compare From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 09:05:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:19:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:19:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 20 Jun 1995 09:05:26 GMT From: free-agent-spam@spam.com (Spammer) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Control: cancel <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 12:34:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:34:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:34:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 12:34:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2997 comp.dcom.modems:98551 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service >Provider? > There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? And you also want it to log you in automatically? Your best bet is to look through the documentation. These are very basic functions of Kermit software, and are covered in the manuals. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:52:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:16:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:16:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Message-Id: <1995Jun20.075225.54353@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 07:52:25 MDT References: <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu>, mb21@academia.swt.edu writes: > Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to > connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then > odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This > problem doesn't happen. ---------- Trying to recover your message from the above... Most likely your machine has serious configuration problems, with memory above 640KB (UMB) being the most commonly affected place. I suggest you have another person assist you going over the machine in detail looking for suspicious things which you may have overlooked. Don't forget about the lan adapter shared memory and IRQ being vulnerable to clobbering. That's as much helpful advice we can give based on the information provided. Good luck with the search. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 14:44:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 20 Jun 1995 14:44:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2999 comp.dcom.modems:98575 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, : Ramon F Herrera wrote: : >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, : >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service : >Provider? : > : There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. : Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? : And you also want it to log you in automatically? I am using C-Kermit on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.4 The modem is a Motorola FasTalk (14.4, Hayes compatible) but it will probably be changed by Telebit TeleBlazer V.34. The answering node is a cisco router that supports SLIP and assigns IP addresses dynamically, and it would be nice if I can get a script that will log me in automatically and grab the assigned IP address. Best regards, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 10:05:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:08:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:08:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Push returns to DOS prompt rather than WPerfect Shell Date: 20 JUN 95 10:05:37 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 17 Message-Id: <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I am using Kermit to access a Dec alpha over a Novell network. Kermit and the script are run from the WPerfect Office shell. When I use Push to temporarily exit Kermit, I end up at the Dos prompt, rather than at the Office menu. I want the shell menu, of course, to access other programs. Is there something special at the Kermit end to return to the shell instead of Dos? Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:04:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 19:04:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3s763i$9om@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3001 comp.dcom.modems:98593 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, : : Ramon F Herrera wrote: : : >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, : : >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service : : >Provider? : : > : : There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. : : Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? : : And you also want it to log you in automatically? : : I am using C-Kermit on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.4 : The modem is a Motorola FasTalk (14.4, Hayes compatible) but : it will probably be changed by Telebit TeleBlazer V.34. : The answering node is a cisco router that supports SLIP and : assigns IP addresses dynamically, and it would be nice if I : can get a script that will log me in automatically and grab : the assigned IP address. : Let's go into greater detail offline. But for mass consumption: there is no standard for the messages that come from terminal servers when you make SLIP or PPP connections to them, so there is no single Kermit script that can be used in all situations. You have to figure out how to capture the IP address from the terminal server's message, using the techniques described in the manual (OUTPUT, INPUT, string functions, etc). Presumably all you want to do at this point is hand the connection off to your system's SLIP driver and then use your regular TCP/IP programs (including Kermit, of course, but this time with its TELNET command, rather than SET LINE) over the SLIP connection. I'm not sure what the procedure for this "handing off" would be in AIX, but in general it's a bit tricky in UNIX getting two processes to share the same tty device. In any case, another hint is to see if you can get your network administrators to install BOOTP service in the terminal server. In that case you don't need to parse the IP address from the terminal server's message and then install it on your system -- you just make the SLIP connection and then tell you system to issue a BOOTP request for its IP address and related parameters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:57:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:45:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:45:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!news.conknet.com!not-for-mail From: STB@mctel.com (Steve Bond) Subject: C-KERMIT FOR OS/2 - Terminal Emulation - vt220 - 132ch Message-Id: <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:57:07 GMT Organization: MCT Telecom Inc. X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-kermit for terminal emulation of vt220 on OS/2 2.1 w/warp. It works great connecting to a VAX with a network of decnet( running as a window). My question is this. When I run an application that changes the screen width from 80ch to 132ch the font size doesn't change. I have to manually change the font size as the application changes the screen width from 80 to 132 and back. Is that the way it should work? Is there a way to automatically change the font size. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Steve Bond MCT Telecom Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:22:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:26:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:26:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KEA keyboards Date: 20 Jun 1995 19:22:22 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody have, or has anybody worked on a keyboard initialization file for the KEA keyboards? We use the PowerStation keyboards here at work to do terminal emulation to our VAX, and they work really well, so I wanted to map the keys in the Kermit emulator. (The KEA keyboards come with a driver to work under MS/Windows.) However, I have not been able to figure out all the key codes, especiall the PF1-PF4/F17-F20 keys. TIA. Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corporation 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 21:58:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT FOR OS/2 - Terminal Emulation - vt220 - 132ch Date: 20 Jun 1995 21:58:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3s7g9q$neh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com>, Steve Bond wrote: >I am using C-kermit for terminal emulation of vt220 on OS/2 2.1 w/warp. It works great connecting to a VAX >with a network of decnet( running as a window). My question is this. When I run an application that changes >the screen width from 80ch to 132ch the font size doesn't change. I have to manually change the font size as >the application changes the screen width from 80 to 132 and back. Is that the way it should work? Is there a >way to automatically change the font size. > sorry, but yes this is how it works. OS/2 does not provide to VIO applications any method for controlling the font size. Remember, a VIO application does not know that it is running in a window. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 05:53:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:17:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Push returns to DOS prompt rather than WPerfect Shell Message-Id: <1995Jun20.115335.54372@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 11:53:35 MDT References: <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>, clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) writes: > Hi > > I am using Kermit to access a Dec alpha over a Novell network. Kermit and > the script are run from the WPerfect Office shell. When I use Push to > temporarily exit Kermit, I end up at the Dos prompt, rather than at the Office > menu. I want the shell menu, of course, to access other programs. Is there > something special at the Kermit end to return to the shell instead of Dos? ------- You don't want to think about WP Shell. It's a total task switcher and that's fatal for comms programs. I believe we say this in the release docs. When "shelled to DOS" from within Kermit MSK uses the program given by the Environment COMSPEC= variable. Normally that's c:\command.com. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 11:39:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:26:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KEA keyboards Message-Id: <1995Jun20.173956.54405@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 17:39:56 MDT References: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard writes: > Does anybody have, or has anybody worked on a keyboard initialization file for the KEA > keyboards? We use the PowerStation keyboards here at work to do terminal emulation to our VAX, > and they work really well, so I wanted to map the keys in the Kermit emulator. (The > KEA keyboards come with a driver to work under MS/Windows.) However, I have not been able to > figure out all the key codes, especiall the PF1-PF4/F17-F20 keys. ---------------- I haven't used such a keyboard but the key definition process should be straight forward and quick. Use Kermit command SET KEY and press ENTER at that point. The command then prompts for the key to be define (asks you to press it). The key code is shown together with any current definition. The second prompt is for a new definition, if any, and you would then type \KdecF18 or whatever. Make a note of the key code and your definition. To automate this first do the by-hand approach above. Then edit a convenient Kermit TAKE file and write the definitions each on one line, such as set key \4425 \kdecPrev ; Enhanced kbd grey Page Up set key \4433 \kdecNext ; Enhanced kbd grey Page Down set key \4434 \kdecInsert ; Enhanced kbd grey Insert set key \4435 \kdecRemove ; Enhanced kbd grey Delete To see which keyboard verb definitions are available either read the manual or/and press the "?" key in response to the definition prompt. To undefine a key enter an empty definition: set key \4425 The key then represents itself (um, sends ASCII if it generates an ASCII character, else sends nothing and beeps at you when touched). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 16:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.thepoint.net!news.thepoint.net!not-for-mail From: alan@dg.thepoint.net (Alan B. Canon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Winsock-compliant Kermit: Does it exist? Date: 20 Jun 1995 12:53:02 -0400 Organization: ThePoint - Kentuckiana's Internet Connection Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: dg.thepoint.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a kermit program for windows 3.1x that runs through Winsock. Does such an animal exist? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 14:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:35:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:35:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Winsock-compliant Kermit: Does it exist? Date: 21 Jun 1995 14:34:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s9amb$7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net>, Alan B. Canon wrote: >I need a kermit program for windows 3.1x that runs through Winsock. Does >such an animal exist? > No. Maybe there will be one, but there isn't one yet. In the meantime, you might try one of the tricks listed in our FAQ for multiplexing TCP/IP stacks. They are not recommended, but one of them might work for you. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 14:52:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:58:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:58:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT LISTSERV Date: 21 Jun 1995 14:52:12 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know of a LISTSERV for this group? If so, what is it? I have to go to a different computer to read this newsgroup and if I found a LISTSERV then I could (theoretically) subscribe to it via our VAX, which would make my life much, much simpler. TIA. Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corporation 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo, CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 17:01:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:57:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:57:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!NewsWatcher!user From: mike@mdg.com (Michael Ginsberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit RFC? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:01:35 -0500 Organization: MDG Computer Services, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 204.137.245.81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a Kermit RFC, or something that will fully document the Kermit File Transfer, so that I can build one from scratch. Is there a Kermit FAQ or something that will point me in the right direction. I am not looking for C Source code, but rather a document explaining the Kermit Protocol. Thanks in advance. If you are posting a response, please respond via email as well. Michael Ginsberg MDG Computer Services, Inc mike@mdg.com =============================================================== Michael Ginsberg Internet: mike@mdg.com MDG Computer Services, Inc. Web: http://www.mdg.com =============================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 20:49:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:49:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:49:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT LISTSERV Date: 21 Jun 1995 20:49:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3sa0ku$112@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >Does anyone know of a LISTSERV for this group? If so, what is it? I have to >go to a different computer to read this newsgroup and if I found a LISTSERV >then I could (theoretically) subscribe to it via our VAX, which would make my >life much, much simpler. > Simpler for you, maybe. Did you ever try to run a huge LISTSERV list? :-) We run a LISTSERV for announcements only -- I$KERMIT@CUVMA. Whenever an announcement goes out, we get back approximately 100MB of error, warning, and information messages. Obviously, one wants low traffic on such a list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 08:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:14:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:14:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nexus.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit RFC? Date: 22 Jun 1995 08:33:34 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: mike@mdg.com's message of Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:01:35 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article mike@mdg.com (Michael Ginsberg) writes: >I am looking for a Kermit RFC, or something that will fully document >the Kermit File Transfer Get the kermit protcol manual. In terse form from the kermit FTP site or in a fleshed-out from any good bookstore (under the name "Kermit a file transfer protocol"). See FAQ for ISBN. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 01:57:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:28:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:28:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit with tcp/ip Message-Id: <1995Jun22.075758.54480@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 07:57:57 MDT References: <3s97mm$p0i@socrate> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s97mm$p0i@socrate>, jean cote writes: > Hi, > > I am trying to use Tcp/Ip with Kermit ... > > It is working fine but ... when i try to use a name server i get tis message > > Icmp port unreachable > > Resolving address of host sld01 ... > Trying name sld01 > Icmp: Port unreachable > cannot reach name server 205.151.189.3 > cannot resolve address of host sld01 > ? cannot start the connection. > > Is there someone who can help me ? ------------ Yes, the person at your site who maintains the nameserver. The above message says what it means, that the remote machine (the nameserver) does not support name service on well known UDP port 53, or an intermediate machine is rejecting the traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 14:39:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:39:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:39:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!d42.net.interaccess.com!dmg From: dmg@interaccess.com (Brian K. Willard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse 50 function keys Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:54:58 Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 23 Distribution: NA Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: d42.net.interaccess.com Keywords: Wyse50 function keys X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit 3.14 for dos, connected to an rs6000. When using a vt320 emulation and the wpunix.ini I can use my function keys in WP for AIX. When I switch to Wyse50 emulation none of my function keys work. I need this because our office supports many hardware platforms, and we have clients on ADDS machines that need to use Wyse50. Any help is greatly appreciated. Brian K. Willard dmg@dmgil.com Integrations Support Analyst D.M.G. Brian K. Willard Integration Support Analyst Data Management Group Phone: 708-953-0037 Fax: 708-953-1697 E-mail: dmg@dmgil.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 05:41:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:49:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:49:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 50 function keys Message-Id: <1995Jun22.114156.54488@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 11:41:56 MDT References: Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , dmg@interaccess.com (Brian K. Willard) writes: > I am using kermit 3.14 for dos, connected to an rs6000. When using a vt320 > emulation and the wpunix.ini I can use my function keys in WP for AIX. When I > switch to Wyse50 emulation none of my function keys work. I need this because > our office supports many hardware platforms, and we have clients on ADDS > machines that need to use Wyse50. ------------ They are present, but not preassigned to keys. Use SET KEY and the Wyse 50 function keys are keyboard verbs \KwyseF1..\KwyseF16 plus \KwyseSF1..\KwyseSF16 (shifted Wyse function keys). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 00:58:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:50:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:50:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!usenet From: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Date: 23 Jun 1995 00:58:10 GMT Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Nntp-Posting-Host: slip5-92.fl.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 13:43:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!socrate.riq.qc.ca!news From: jean cote Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit with tcp/ip Date: 21 Jun 1995 13:43:50 GMT Organization: Reseau Internet Quebec Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3s97mm$p0i@socrate> Nntp-Posting-Host: riq1087.riq.qc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to use Tcp/Ip with Kermit ... It is working fine but ... when i try to use a name server i get tis message Icmp port unreachable Resolving address of host sld01 ... Trying name sld01 Icmp: Port unreachable cannot reach name server 205.151.189.3 cannot resolve address of host sld01 ? cannot start the connection. Is there someone who can help me ? Jean Cote La Solidarite jeancote@riq.qc.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 15:23:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:18:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:18:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 21:23:04 MDT References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: > I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. > I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as > various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. --------- Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that I tried. Perhaps you can describe: a) What Kermit and version number b) What terminal type the host is using c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't reproduce a connection from my place) d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of machine would be useful to know as well) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 14:55:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: 23 Jun 1995 14:55:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to May 21. There is a new ZIP-format image of the distribution diskette. It contains the three new executables, updated patch files, and minor updates to some of the documentation files (HLP, BWR, UPD). The new patch files contain the following patches: 1. Optional Orchid Designer Professional VGA board video-mode patch. Allows patching in the appropriate video mode, since different models use different modes, but identify themselves the same way to Kermit. 2. Fix for file names given on the command line in the -F option (alternate initialization file) not always being parsed correctly. 3. VT220/320 terminal emulator patch for correctly recognizing OSC and PM sequences. Without this patch, such sequences (which are rarely used) could cause Kermit to hang until reset. 4. Patch to prevent MS-DOS Kermit from improperly encoding its response to the A packet. The most notable symptom was failure to properly receive RESENDs. 5. Patch to the READ command to prevent it from improperly treating "-" at the end of a line as a continuation character. 6. Patch for TES networking: preserve TES LAT ID around restarts. 7. Optional patch for Hebrew-model VT100 terminal emulation. 8. Patch to make the MAIL command once again work properly when sending multiple files. Without this patch, the MAIL command only works for one file; e.g. "mail foo.*" would send all foo.* files, but only the first one would be mailed; the rest would disappear. Also included are some new dialing scripts (e.g. BESTDATA.SCR) and improvements to preexisting dialing scripts. Note in particular that PP14400.SCR has had its name changed to PPI.SCR to reflect the fact that it now adapts itself automatically to the full PPI (Practical Peripherals Inc) line, from V.22bis to V.34 models. Finally, an additional font utility is included in the PCFONTS directory, called WITHFONT.COM. This utility (which, like the rest of the material in the PCFONTS directory, is from Yossi Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel) loads a font (such as Cyrillic, Hebrew, or Latin-2) and then reloads it automatically whenever the video mode changes, e.g. between 80 and 132 columns. Without WITHFONT, the font would revert to CP437 whenever the video mode changed. The space needed for the new material was obtained by removing six .TBL files for character sets that are already listed in the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The version 3.14 reissue is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If no serious problems are reported within a week or so, we'll make this the standard distributed version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 17:47:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 23 Jun 1995 17:47:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 140 Message-Id: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99072 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3020 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc etc. In preparation for a future release, I'm spiffing up the modem and dialing features, with the following goals: . Better and more natural support for modern high-speed modems. . Explicit support for most of the popular makes and models. . Easy and consistent control over specific modem features such as flow control, error-correction, and compression. . Consolidation of multiple modem models into one whenever possible. . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. C-Kermit runs on a wide variety of hardware and operating system platforms in countries all over the world, and so cannot follow the simplicistic "send me your coolest init string" model of modem support. In particular: . We can't assume that the computer can do hardware flow control. . We can't assume any particular value for the computer's maximum interface speed. . We can't assume that any particular dialing method (e.g. Tone) is available. . We can't assume the Hayes AT command and response interface (for example, did you know that there there is an international standard for modem commands and responses, ITU-T (CCITT) V.25bis, that bears no resemblence whatsoever to the Hayes scheme? -- Those of you who think this standard is not used should visit Brazil some time :-) . We can't assume that we have access to modem signals, either to read them or to manipulate them explicitly, e.g. dropping DTR to hang up. . Our modem handling can't be based on the facilities of a particular operating system, like UNIX versions that have an "acucap", or DLLs that might come with OS/2 or Windows, etc. Any information I can gather about as many modem models as possible that would allow support for them to be added to C-Kermit would be much appreciated. If you can furnish this information, please drop me a note by email. Items of particular interest include: . Hayes command set or other? . What is the maximum interface speed at which its command processor autobauds? What is its absolute maximum interface speed (on some modems, e.g. certain Telebit models, these two numbers are different). If a special command (e.g. S-register setting) must be issued to change the speed, what is it? . How do we tell the modem to start off with its highest modulation method (e.g. V.34) and then negotiate down from there? Is there a way to do this that is portable among different models (e.g. N1 S37=0 for different PPI models)? . How do we tell the modem to pass through Break signals transparently? . Can it do speed buffering? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable speed buffering? . Can it do hardware flow control (RTS/CTS)? If so, what is the command to enable it? . Can it do *local* software flow control (Xon/Xoff)? If so, what is the command to enable it? . What, if any, is the command to disable local flow control? . Can it do error correction? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable it? The command to enable would be the one that starts out with the highest form (e.g. V.42) and negotiates down (e.g. to various MNP levels). The command to disable would disable all forms. . If it is an RPI model of a modem that also comes in a non-RPI model, what happens when the command to enable error-correction is given directly to the modem? (The ones I know about so far say "ERROR" -- is this true for all of them?) . Can it do compression? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable it? The command to enable would be the one that starts out with the highest form (e.g. V.42bis) and negotiates down (e.g. to MNP5). The command to disable would disable all forms. . What is the command to set the dialing method to Pulse? To Tone? Can this command be issued as an independent command, or only as part of the dialing command? (The answer to this one is well-known for Hayes-like modems, but no so obvious with others, e.g. Microcoms or Vadics in native mode.) . What is the method of escaping back to the modem's command processor? Is a guard time required? If so, how much? Is there a way to make the modem transparent to all data patterns and still permit escaping back (e.g. with Long Break but not regular Break) and if so, what is it? . For differentiating among various models from the same manufacturer, what is the method for determining what model we have (e.g. ATI, ATI3, ATI6, etc), and what are the responses for each model? In general, when a modem offers more than one command to do the same thing, the preferred command would be the one that is most portable across all models from the same manufacturer. One puzzler, for me at least, is the array of recent Hayes modems. I have access to an Ultra 144, but not to an Accura or an Optima, nor to other Ultra models (2400, 9600). Are all of these Hayes models compatible in every way except for maximum interface and modulation speeds? That is, can I use the same commands to control all the features listed above in each of the Hayes models? In particular: . Do they all autobaud at interface speeds up to 57600? (What is the maximum interface speed for each model, including Ultra 2400 and 9600?) . Will setting "N1 S37=0" ensure that each model starts off at its highest modulation technique and negotiate down? Is this the recommended way to do this? . Is S82=128 (BREAK transparency) available on all high-speed models? . Do all models support RTS/CTS via &K3? (So then what is &K1?) . Do all models support local Xon/Xoff via &K4? (What is &K2?) . How should &Rn be set if we are using RTS/CTS? Or is it ignored? Anybody who would like to help out with this by providing information, manual or command-summary copies, sample modems, whatever, or who would like to Alpha-test the resulting software, please contact me directly by e-mail. Thanks! Frank da Cruz Manager Communication Software Development Columbia University, New York City e-mail: fdc@columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 18:43:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:54:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:54:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!ucsu!not-for-mail From: morozovv@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MOROZOV VALENTIN VALENTINOVITCH) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Need kermit and pkunzip/zip for IBM RS6000 Date: 23 Jun 1995 12:43:28 -0600 Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75590 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3021 news.newusers.questions:69474 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi ! Could you please advise me where I can ftp the pkzip/unzip and kermit for RS6000 ? Please reply to morozovv@ucsu.colorado.edu Thanx a lot for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 24 02:29:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:28:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:27:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 23 Jun 1995 21:29:12 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99160 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3022 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >Hi. I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communication software for >UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc etc. In preparation for a future release, I'm >spiffing up the modem and dialing features, with the following goals: [...] > . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 22:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:17:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:17:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit has SOCKS for OS/2, where is source Date: 23 Jun 1995 22:33:34 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3sfffu$rug@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I have Kermit, 5A(191), which has a SOCKS 4.2 compliant tcp layer in it. I was wondering where I might find the source code for this SOCKS. Is it a port of the UNIX SOCKS library code? I'm hoping for something a little cleaner. I'm hoping to possibly adapt this code further, possibly create a FTP SOCKSified client for OS/2. Thanks, Chris Inacio ---------------- cinacio@vt.edu Please respond to email, I don't frequent this list, but I will try for the next couple of days. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 10:37:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:51:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:51:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!news From: 93202319@comet.np.ac.sg (Lau Leck Keong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help... Date: 22 Jun 1995 18:37:27 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3sbh57$5pf@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anybody know where i can ftp the latest version of ckermit for OS/2 ? Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JOE LAU LECK KEONG. Local email: NGEE ANN POLYTECHNIC,SINGAPORE. 93202319@sys4 Internet email: JJJJJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :) 93202319@np.ac.sg J O O E :( joelau@cyberspace.org J O O EEEEEE ;) joelau@arbornet.org J J O O E :# joelau@grfn.org JJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :P ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 14:09:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:21:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:21:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Message-Id: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 23 Jun 95 10:09:55 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit World, I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of these... I'd hate to see the demise of the most stable dog-gone emulator just to lose it to the "Mouseaholics". Kermit is my bread and butter emulator... The mouseaholics complain they can't cut-and-paste from dos kermit, of the fact that it's not windows based, etc, etc, etc til I'm sick of hearing it. I use others for the DEC graphics, but keep returning to Kermit for the daily grind. However, I feel that within a few years, Kermit will be left behind except for us die-hards and all the other non-pc and non-mac systems... Thoughts anyone? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 15:38:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:38:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:38:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help... Date: 24 Jun 1995 15:38:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3shbhl$4hi@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3sbh57$5pf@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Lau Leck Keong (93202319@comet.np.ac.sg) wrote: : Anybody know where i can ftp the latest version of ckermit for OS/2 ? The same place everybody else can get every version of Kermit, ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, its in there! Chris Inacio ------------------ cinacio@vt.edu : Regards, : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : JOE LAU LECK KEONG. Local email: : NGEE ANN POLYTECHNIC,SINGAPORE. 93202319@sys4 : Internet email: : JJJJJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :) 93202319@np.ac.sg : J O O E :( joelau@cyberspace.org : J O O EEEEEE ;) joelau@arbornet.org : J J O O E :# joelau@grfn.org : JJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :P : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 03:44:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:03:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:03:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Message-Id: <1995Jun24.094442.54615@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jun 95 09:44:42 MDT References: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Kermit World, > > I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We > are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor > that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good > rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next > generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X > compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of > interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of > these... Clearly we have plans for Win Kermit too, but as explained time after time, such projects take personnel, money, time. Here we have the cynicism of many Universities: they want free things, if they are not statisfied they are willing to pay market rates for commercial products but nary a dime for supporting another Univ (or even their own) to continue improving what they now have and know. Why? Probably because it's administratively easier to sign a PO rather than write a letter agreement, not because it is intellectually better. Guess who gives (or not) the technical context for such decisions? > I'd hate to see the demise of the most stable dog-gone emulator > just to lose it to the "Mouseaholics". Kermit is my bread and > butter emulator... > > The mouseaholics complain they can't cut-and-paste from dos > kermit, of the fact that it's not windows based, etc, etc, etc > til I'm sick of hearing it. They can cut and paste. It'a a Windows "feature." Etc may mean it does not entertain them the way some programs do. At some point the people in this country are going to realize that computers at work are not entertainment devices and the continued trend to treat them as such is extremely expensive. You see, each of us has at least one hobby horse. Those same complainers may well grumble that they can't do a number of things with the commercial product you've purchased, and there will be very little that can be done about it. > I use others for the DEC graphics, but keep returning to Kermit > for the daily grind. > > However, I feel that within a few years, Kermit will be left > behind except for us die-hards and all the other non-pc and > non-mac systems... Such optimism is clearly going to assist us as we continue to improve Columbia Kermit offerings. Perhaps your brain too is addled by the trade press; I know mine is totally boggled by vapors and floods of printed emotion passing as established fact. We may apply your phrase "within a few years X will be left behind" to EVERY product now on the market; do you see the intellectual vacuum of such statements? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 16:44:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:44:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:44:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Date: 24 Jun 1995 16:44:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3shfdd$6u9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brainwave Surfer (agnew@gems.vcu.edu) wrote: : Dear Kermit World, : I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We : are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor : that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good : rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next : generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X : compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of : interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of : these... : Jim I think that even without these things Kermit is a very useful program. Although I have to admit, my Kermit does have these things. The OS/2 version does have mouse support and the ability to cut and paste to and from the OS/2 clipboard, although right now I don't have it enabled. However, it is still a character mode app, under a very typically GUI OS. I don't think this is a problem though. Maybe Kermit should have some mor features like these, but I think the developers, (Frank Da Cruz,) is doing the right thing, and upgrading things like the modem support before we get the glitz. Just my 2 cents. Chris Inacio -------------------- cinacio@vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 17:28:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 24 Jun 1995 17:28:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99215 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3029 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. > >Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. > Completely ignoring the difficulties among different UNIX versions as to the names, locations, formats, contents, and very existence of these files... It is because C-Kermit is not "just" a UNIX program. If I did this for UNIX, I would still have to do it some other way for VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, the Amiga, and so on. OK, fine, I'm lazy. But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, and we are definitely opposed to working against it. There are only so many hours in a day, and when we (Kermit developers) can grab a few spare ones to work on software development, those hours are better spent creating features that can be used on many systems, rather than just one. Then, when we document how to set up support for a new modem, we document it one way, not forty-three ways. If we did not feel this way, we would be just like every other software developer -- working on the ONE platform that pays off big-time, and that ain't UNIX !-) So when somebody posts a query on this newsgroup asking for the commands to set up an XYZcommFaxBlasterPro V.34+++++ for C-Kermit, it should not matter what OS they have. The answer should be, and will be, the same for all OS's where C-Kermit runs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 09:07:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 05:28:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 05:28:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!lrz-muenchen.de!usenet From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to re-initialize MS-Kermit? Date: 25 Jun 1995 09:07:18 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a number of Kermit ini-files I am experimenting with to adjust to the requirements regarding terminal emulation and key definitions of some specific sites. To restart trials beginning with my original mskermit.ini + mscustoms.ini configuration I have to close and re-load Kermit again. That is, it seems to me (things are so complicated, hard to control everything) that just entering "take mskermit.ini" does not produce exactly the same that was present after loading Kermit "from scratch". If this observation is true, which command(s) should I place into mscustom.ini (or maybe, if really necessary, into mskermit.ini) to secure "from scratch" initialization without exitting Kermit (which also closes the connection in case of tcp/ip). TIA, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 02:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:03:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:03:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to re-initialize MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Jun25.083310.54658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jun 95 08:33:09 MDT References: <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck writes: > I have a number of Kermit ini-files I am experimenting with to adjust to the > requirements regarding terminal emulation and key definitions of some > specific sites. To restart trials beginning with my original mskermit.ini + > mscustoms.ini configuration I have to close and re-load Kermit again. That is, > it seems to me (things are so complicated, hard to control everything) that > just entering "take mskermit.ini" does not produce exactly the same that was > present after loading Kermit "from scratch". > > If this observation is true, which command(s) should I place into mscustom.ini > (or maybe, if really necessary, into mskermit.ini) to secure "from scratch" > initialization without exitting Kermit (which also closes the connection in case > of tcp/ip). ------------- Most SET commands remain unchanged when you say TAKE MSKERMIT.INI. Keyboard definitions also remain unchanged, but you can say SET KEY CLEAR to restore built-in definitions. Macros remain intact. Thus there is a lot of information retained around TAKE files. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 19:34:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:50:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:50:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Testing external errorlevel in MSK 3.14 scripts? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:34:20 GMT Lines: 11 Sender: jhurwit@netcom23.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to test the errorlevel of a program launched from a MSK 3.14 script with the "run" command, so that the script can respond to the outcome? I want to have a script run PKUNZIP -t to check the integrity of a downloaded archive, and signal the sending kermit to resend if it fails. I saw some mention of a \v(errorlevel) variable and a few IF ERRORLEVEL commands in the help file, but it was not clear if these refer to the exit status of externally run programs. Thanks in advance for any help, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 20:25:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit & decnet Date: 25 Jun 1995 20:25:12 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3skgn8$813@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi I've a site which uses ethernet/decnet & their communication engine is a program called WIZZ , and I haven't come across it before. It seems a fine product, and there is no problem with it. It's just that it's in WINDOWS, and they need something in DOS. So I recommend KERMIT, and they get it from their central DP people , and it's 3.14, and everything seems ok. But it doesn't work - nuttin happens. I tell them - SET PORT DECNET VAX1 (vax1 is the name of their VAX) press return a few times nuttin. Theiir central DP people use it all the time, but won't recommend it to their own client sites - I think because of licensing. Any suggestions ? Eoin From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 22:26:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:31:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:31:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!ellis!roe2 From: roe2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Cave Newt) Subject: Re: Need kermit and pkunzip/zip for IBM RS6000 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.unix.questions Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: roe2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:26:38 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75648 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3034 news.newusers.questions:69865 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MOROZOV VALENTIN VALENTINOVITCH wrote: > Could you please advise me where I can ftp the pkzip/unzip ... for RS6000 ? You can't. You can, however, grab Info-ZIP's free versions. See http://quest.jpl.nasa.gov/Info-ZIP/ or ftp://ftp.uu.net/pub/archiving/zip/ for details. -- Greg Roelofs "Name an animal that's small and fuzzy." "Mold." newt@uchicago.edu or http://quest.jpl.nasa.gov/Info-ZIP/people/greg/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:00:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:01:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:01:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!hopi.dtcc.edu!outland.dtcc.edu!cjudd From: Concepcion Judd Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Extension on file of .g Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:00:06 -0400 Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 6 Message-Id: References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: outland.dtcc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: cjudd@outland In-Reply-To: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75649 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3035 news.newusers.questions:69882 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? Thanks in advance..... From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:10:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:10:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: dominicp@Direct.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:09:45 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3skts9$o08@stud.Direct.CA> Reply-To: dominicp%p@Direct.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: dyn-74.direct.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've read that c-kermit for OS/2 supports remote telnet login to you machine. Does anyone know how to set this up? I can't seem to configure it with my PPP connection, it finds TCP/IP dll's fine but I don't know the command to enable telnet login. Thanks in advance -Dom From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:37:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:44:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:44:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!hevanet.com!usenet From: hb Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:37:56 GMT Organization: Hevanet Communications Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3skvh5$n0i@vista.hevanet.com> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: st-ppp00.hevanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: cjudd@outland.dtcc.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75650 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3037 news.newusers.questions:69884 Concepcion Judd wrote: >I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" Get thee to this link: http://www.winzip.com/winzip/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 02:40:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:40:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:40:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 02:40:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca>, wrote: >I've read that c-kermit for OS/2 supports remote telnet login to you >machine. Does anyone know how to set this up? I can't seem to >configure it with my PPP connection, it finds TCP/IP dll's fine but >I don't know the command to enable telnet login. > Please read the INF file that comes with C0-Kermit. The command is "Telnet" Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 26 03:20:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:23:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 25 Jun 1995 22:20:33 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99382 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3039 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >>Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >>version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >>annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >>start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. >> >Completely ignoring the difficulties among different UNIX versions >as to the names, locations, formats, contents, and very existence of >these files... This is indeed a problem, but kermit is now quite capable of implimenting modem selection and dialing in a script which would allow the local setup to be tweaked to read your existing files. >It is because C-Kermit is not "just" a UNIX program. If I did this for >UNIX, I would still have to do it some other way for VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, >VOS, the Amiga, and so on. OK, fine, I'm lazy. In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing support completely. >But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of >the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to >provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently >across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not >totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, >and we are definitely opposed to working against it. I disagree with this philisophy when it applies to the user interface level since it will almost certainly confuse users when they encounter differences from their normal programs. However at a script command level I have to agree. >So when somebody posts a query on this newsgroup asking for the commands to >set up an XYZcommFaxBlasterPro V.34+++++ for C-Kermit, it should not matter >what OS they have. The answer should be, and will be, the same for all OS's >where C-Kermit runs. My questions are more general: How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem is replaced or moved). How do I add the ability to connect over a new modem or device type that you didn't anticipate (for example an X.25 PAD or a satellite link that uses similar commands)? The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they don't already exist? You do need some concepts that didn't exist in pre-HDB versions, like modem 'classes' rather than speeds in the Devices file to get it right, though. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 09:13:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:20:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:20:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu!psalzman From: psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (sliver) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 26 Jun 1995 09:13:48 GMT Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3sltoc$665@news.csus.edu> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: psalzman%@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75664 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3040 news.newusers.questions:69972 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu it appears that outland is a sun. you are probably running sunos or solaris. this means you almost definitely have gzip. If the files with the gz extention are on outland, gzip -d filename.gz If the files with the gz extention are on your pc, upload them to outland, perform the step above and download them back to your pc. -- ############################################################################ FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS JOIN AOL sliver@stars.sfsu.edu psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu sliver@quark.sfsu.edu ############################################################################ I BOYCOTT ANY COMPANY THAT USES MASS ADVERTISING TACTICS ON THE INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 09:29:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:30:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:30:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!news.Austria.EU.net!tony From: tony@austria.eu.net (Tony Curtis) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 26 Jun 1995 09:29:47 GMT Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungs GmbH (Austria) Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <3sltoc$665@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: relay1.austria.eu.net In-Reply-To: psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu's message of 26 Jun 1995 09:13:48 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75665 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3041 news.newusers.questions:69973 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sliver> If the files with the gz extention are on outland, sliver> gzip -d filename.gz sliver> If the files with the gz extention are on your pc, sliver> upload them to outland, perform the step above and sliver> download them back to your pc. Or get gzip.exe for DOS which is probably easier in this case... tony From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 10:04:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:37:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news From: KRUECKEL@reze-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de (KRUECKEL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macintosh: Need Applescriptable Kermit app. Date: 26 Jun 1995 10:04:29 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum, RWTH Aachen Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3sm0nd$9fv@news.rwth-aachen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: cip07.rz.rwth-aachen.de X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any applescriptable Kermit application for Macintosh? Please email me or send me a copy if it is PD. Philipp From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 12:46:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:46:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:46:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 12:46:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99424 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3043 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing >support completely. > I'd like to do that too, but when you begin to support non-Hayes compatibles, that you lose the ability to be totally table driven. It's not only the commands that are different, it's also the very procedures themselves. Nevertheless, C-Kermit's new features make it more table-driven, not less. >>But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of >>the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to >>provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently >>across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not >>totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, >>and we are definitely opposed to working against it. > >I disagree with this philisophy when it applies to the user interface >level since it will almost certainly confuse users when they >encounter differences from their normal programs. > Granted, but (again) we are not talking about Microsoft or Lotus here, with giant warehouses full of eager-faced programmers to crank out the user interface ju jour, on a "jourly" basis, as corporations and amorphous consortia thereof invent new three-letter acronyms with which we all must comply or perish -- no, we have to stretch the work of a very small group of people to cover a very large number of platforms and a huge number of users. (And if we were talking about Microsoft or Lotus, we would not be having this conversation :-) >How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from >those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep >a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem >is replaced or moved). > That would be highly dependent not only on the underlying platform, but also on its specific configuration, and therefore is best done with a Kermit script program, as you go on to suggest... >How do I add the ability to connect over a new modem or device type >that you didn't anticipate (for example an X.25 PAD or a satellite >link that uses similar commands)? > Hopefully you will be able to use C-Kermit's new "set modem type user-defined" feature for this. That's what it's for. I'd appreciate specific constructive feedback on how / whether it can be used to handle oddball situations, and detailed examples thereof. >The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people >don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some >macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they >don't already exist? You do need some concepts that didn't exist >in pre-HDB versions, like modem 'classes' rather than speeds in the >Devices file to get it right, though. > But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout ports. An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of the computer they are using. And when dialout ports are pooled, they are more likely to be on some kind of communication server that already handles this problem without the communications software needing to know a thing about it, e.g. reverse terminal servers where telnet'ing to port 2000 gives you the first free dialout port. But still, a scripted approach to finding a free dialout port and picking up its essential characteristics, is obviously a good idea in environments where it is needed. Would anybody like to take a shot at it? There is an example of this kind of thing in kermit/f/ckeracu.ini on kermit.columbia.edu, very close to what you are talking about. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 15:02:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!sdd.comsat.com!ctd.comsat.com!usenet From: Rod Ragland Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WANTED: Information on PC HDLC Software Date: 26 Jun 1995 15:02:19 GMT Organization: COMSAT Labs Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3smi5r$8tn@peppy.ctd.comsat.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bugs.ctd.comsat.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/710) To: rod@columbia.edu X-Url: news:comp.dcom.telecom.tech#199506242019.QAA16023@deathstar.cris.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.telecom.tech:16171 alt.dcom.telecom:17915 comp.protocols.ibm:4477 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3044 We are looking for software which runs on PC-based computers which implements an HDLC like HDLC communication protocol for basic data file transfers. The communications software should be flexible enough to allow the user to vary both the packet message length and message window size (or modulus M) to optimize the throughput efficency to a given channel. In addition, the software should support the Hayes modem AT command set. Any information on software such as I have described would be greatly appreciated. Thanks In Advance. ==================================================================== Roderick J. Ragland, Scientist E-mail: rod@ctd.comsat.com COMSAT Laboratories tel: (301)428.4492 Communications Technology Division fax: (301)428.4534 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 17:37:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:46:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!tron!usenet From: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:37:52 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: >> I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. >> I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as >> various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. >--------- > Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that >I tried. It is also known as bigcat.missouri.edu > a) What Kermit and version number MS-DOS, v3.14 > b) What terminal type the host is using Not sure. When you get to the government access center the default terminal is VT100 > c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >reproduce a connection from my place) When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: ][^235[]. I have to delete them with the backspace key to get back to the cursor. > d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar I am using the Kermit defaults. > e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of >machine would be useful to know as well) I don't know but the first thing you see is "SUN UNIX OS" then a login prompt. You login as GUEST without a password. > > Joe D. As I said I use C-Kermit for OS/2 on my home machine and login to COIN as a VT220 terminal using the C-Kermit defaults and I don't have this problem. I am using the MS-DOS Kermit at work over a LANMAN/WFWG Winsock TCP/IP network. Thank for your help. 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 15:49:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:00:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KEA keyboards Date: 26 Jun 1995 15:49:42 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3smkum$ma0@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jun20.173956.54405@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: jrd@cc.usu.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > I haven't used such a keyboard but the key definition process >should be straight forward and quick. Use Kermit command SET KEY and >press ENTER at that point. The command then prompts for the key to >be define (asks you to press it). The key code is shown together with >any current definition. The second prompt is for a new definition, if >any, and you would then type \KdecF18 or whatever. Make a note of >the key code and your definition. Joe, This is exactly what I did for the keys that I did define. The problem is that when I press some of the 'extended' (I suppose DEC only) keys, no key code is generated - the 'SET KEY' simply waits until I hit another key that it does recognize. The keyboards work like a charm under Windoze where it has it's own DLL, but for the life of me I can't get a response under DOS. Thanks for the suggestion though. Any other ideas? Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 22:04:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:03:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:03:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ICSI.Net!news.ICSI.Net!not-for-mail From: jakem@ICSI.Net (Jake Messinger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple Windows under Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 17:04:33 -0500 Organization: Internet Connect Services, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3snath$ghf@degas.ICSI.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: degas.icsi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Im having lockup probs under kermit 3.14. I thought it was my arcnet driver emulating ethernet and odi, but I just put in ethernet and ran a packet driver and it does the same thing. It seems to be okay, but when I open a second window to the same host, it gets real slow and doesnt respond in one window until I don something in another window. Then it sometimes locks up. What is the correct procedure for running multi windows to the same host? Why is it so slow? and why the lockups? Are there some buffer pr block size settings I have to change? -- ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Jake Messinger 713-772-6690 jake@ams.com Advanced Medical Systems 800-324-8594 jakem@icsi.net Houston, Texas jake@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 22:19:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:45:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:45:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!newshost.gu.edu.au!usenet From: Tony Nugent Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Date: 26 Jun 1995 22:19:47 GMT Organization: Griffith University Brisbane Queensland Australia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3snbq3$c6j@ngriffin.itc.gu.edu.au> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: T.Nugent@sct.gu.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75690 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3049 news.newusers.questions:70080 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Concepcion Judd writes: >I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" >however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these >compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? % gzip -d file.gz OR % gunzip file.gz It should already be on your system. But if not it can be obtained from: prep.ai.mit.edu :: /pub/gnu/ Cheers Tony /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~\ | . Tony Nugent |____) | _--_|\ Griffith University | | / *\ Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | | \_.--._/ tnugent@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au | | v T.Nugent@sct.gu.edu.au | | | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ | \__________________________________________\__/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 20:34:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!woodlawn!ses3 From: ses3@woodlawn.uchicago.edu (Steven Schwartz) Subject: SLIP dialing and connecting X-Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: Summary: How to get it to work Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: ses3@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:34:24 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm tearing my hair out here. ;-) I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. First of all, a description of what needs to be done: It connects, then generates a "Username:" prompt. After the user has entered it, they then need to enter a password at the "Password:" prompt. A third prompt requires them to enter "slip-default", after which they can, in theory, use bootp or simply be given an IP number by the server. Now, it would seem reasonable that one should be able to make this work. But I've been having problems with dropped characters, and simply getting the consarned script to connect correctly, as "output" commands fail to output correctly, giving the full text rather than, say, a $(environment) variable substitution, and seem incapable of sending a carriage return. Given this, the entire scripting situation is a right royal mess. Any tips, suggestions, script samples would be greatly appreciated, as I've been over the .BWR, .HLP, and .UPD files, along with Network.doc, so often that I'm seeing them in my dreams. ;-) I've probably missed something blatantly obvious, but I for the life of me can't find it. Thank you very much. Steven Schwartz ses3@midway.uchicago.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 23:12:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:56:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:56:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 18:12:10 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99476 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3051 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing >>support completely. >> >I'd like to do that too, but when you begin to support non-Hayes >compatibles, that you lose the ability to be totally table driven. It's >not only the commands that are different, it's also the very procedures >themselves. Nevertheless, C-Kermit's new features make it more >table-driven, not less. If you need features beyond expect-send sequences to dial, chances are that someone will that feature outside the context of dialing too. It should be included in the script command language, which in turn makes dialing as a macro possible. >>The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >>to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >>less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people >>don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some >>macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they >>don't already exist? >But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of >users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout >ports? Not entirely. Many places have just put a PC on the desktop with LAN connections to various resources. In my case one of these is a unix host with a bunch of modems doing dial in/out fax and data. >An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of >the computer they are using. It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. >And when dialout ports are pooled, they are >more likely to be on some kind of communication server that already >handles this problem without the communications software needing to know a >thing about it, e.g. reverse terminal servers where telnet'ing to port >2000 gives you the first free dialout port. That is probably the way to go, but the organizations that use kermit aren't likely to be able to afford them. In fact, I'd like to use kermit to emulate one of them such that a PC kermit user would connect to the unix host via telnet and the unix kermit would pick a modem line and provide the connection as transparently as possible. My real problem in pursuing this at the moment is that I am replacing my AT&T servers with an OSI transport that allowed MSDOS kermit to do a scripted login to the unix hosts with a TCP/IP transport on the unix side and WFW/winsock on the PC side and I haven't found a way to use kermit with this setup. Given that you can do this with a free server (samba) and a cheap client (WFW w/TCP), I think this might be a popular arrangement for people who would be likely to want to use kermit so it is unfortunate that it doesn't work. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 23:28:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.insinc.net!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: dominicp@Direct.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 23:28:11 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3snfqb$766@stud.Direct.CA> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dominicp@Direct.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: dyn-234.direct.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >Please read the INF file that comes with C0-Kermit. > >The command is "Telnet" > >Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 >NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Thanks for the tip Jeffrey. I am able to open telnet connections to other sites as I've read in the INF file using the "telnet" command. What I really wanted to know is if kermit can accept incoming telnet connections, ie. act as a simple telnet deamon for my PPP connection. The OS/2 C-Kermit web page says: "Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a 'chat' session or execute Kermit server functions." Does this function require an existing telnet daemon? How does it handle login id, passwords, and security? How do I set up the socket to accept incoming connections and what IP address will it have? I hope I've clarified what I'm trying to setup. Any help on the commands required to set this up would be greatly appreciated. -Dom From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 03:46:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 27 Jun 1995 03:46:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3snuui$ipf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snfqb$766@stud.direct.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3snfqb$766@stud.direct.ca>, wrote: >In <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >> >What I really wanted to know is if kermit can accept incoming telnet >connections, ie. act as a simple telnet deamon for my PPP connection. >The OS/2 C-Kermit web page says: > > "Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 > C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a 'chat' session or execute > Kermit server functions." > >Does this function require an existing telnet daemon? How does it handle >login id, passwords, and security? How do I set up the socket to accept >incoming connections and what IP address will it have? The documentation for providing incoming connections is in the INF file. However, C-Kermit is not a telnet daemon. The incoming connections can only be used to provide peer-to-peer chat or kermit server operations. The reason this support is required under OS/2 is that telnet daemon's on OS/2 do not provide clean connections which can be used for Kermit file transfer. If you want incoming telnet services then you will need a telnet daemon such as is provided in OS/2 Warp Connect. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 00:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:16:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:16:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cm.net!cyberspam!not-for-mail Control: cancel <3sn7ve$8jm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: alt.spam,comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Britestar@columbia.edu (Britestar, Inc.) Subject: cmsg cancel <3sn7ve$8jm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Date: 27 Jun 1995 00:55:36 GMT Message-Id: Organization: Imminent Death of Net Predicted. Film at 11. 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 18:55:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:55:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:55:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!swissbank!root From: rmichael@il.us.swissbank.com (Bob Michael) Subject: telnet script Message-Id: <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Nntp-Posting-Host: nwk19_ocachi Reply-To: rmichael@swissbank.com Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:55:56 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to write a script that will telnet to a remote machine that has a modem pool and then dial a bbs. After I send the telnet command, none of the subsequent commands execute. Can I use output and input with telnet? Is there a way to script commands when using telnet? I'm kind of new to kermit and I'm not having much success. Thanks, Bob rmichael@swissbank.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 02:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:32:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:32:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk!94907642 From: 94907642%$MAILHOST@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Super Sailormoon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 27 Jun 1995 02:15:13 GMT Organization: City University of Hong Kong Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3snpjh$if2@cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpccux1.cityu.edu.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75709 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3055 news.newusers.questions:70149 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Concepcion Judd (cjudd@outland.dtcc.edu) wrote: : I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" : however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these : compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? Hi, As your mentioned, the extension with gz file is a compression file Which is compressed by Unix compressional utility "gzip". You would uncompress it by "gunzip". This uncompressional utility would always be supported in most of Unix shell. Just try to type "gunzip" in your prompt. It should be post you most of the usages about that.` -- __ __ __ __ __/\_\ Planet de Pluto / // /_/ GSI/GSR - Computational Neutronics /\_\__ /\_\/_/ Power Make Up /_//_ /_/ Department of Cybernetic Engineering \/_/\_\ \/_/\_\ Sys Engin. - Advanced Neuron Engineering Computing Laboratory /\_\/_/ \/_/ Elect-Mail: 94907642@cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk (Super Sailormoon) \/_/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 13:10:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:10:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:10:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet script Date: 27 Jun 1995 13:10:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3sp00b$qi5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com>, Bob Michael wrote: >I'm trying to write a script that will telnet to a remote machine that has >a modem pool and then dial a bbs. After I send the telnet command, none >of the subsequent commands execute. Can I use output and input with >telnet? Is there a way to script commands when using telnet? I'm kind of >new to kermit and I'm not having much success. > Which Kermit program are you talking about, which version, on which platform? Probably C-Kermit. The current version is 5A(190). Do you have the manual? Probably not, judging from your question. Here's the answer: replace the "telnet " command in your script with "set host ". "telnet" puts Kermit in CONNECT mode, "set host" starts a connection without putting Kermit in CONNECT mode (similar to DIAL). The manual is available in English and German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 416 598-0045 (Toronto, ON office for Canada) +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 356-1925 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 031 294247 (Durban office for South Africa) And German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 13:22:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:22:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:22:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 13:22:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99533 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3057 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : If you need features beyond expect-send sequences to dial, chances are : that someone will that feature outside the context of dialing too. : It should be included in the script command language, which in turn : makes dialing as a macro possible. : It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, exactly as we do for MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit also has a built-in dialer. If you don't like it and would rather use scripts, you can even remove the built-in dialer by building C-Kermit with -DNODIAL. : It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line : in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that : don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. : True, but those digital phone sets, and the PBXs behind them, cost truckloads of money already. I know, we have one here :-). Organizations that buy them are *supposed* to include provisions for dialin, dialout, fax, and answering machine service (ha ha). : ... I'd like to use : kermit to emulate one of them such that a PC kermit user would connect to : the unix host via telnet and the unix kermit would pick a modem line and : provide the connection as transparently as possible. My real problem in : pursuing this at the moment is that I am replacing my AT&T servers : with an OSI transport that allowed MSDOS kermit to do a scripted login : to the unix hosts with a TCP/IP transport on the unix side and : WFW/winsock on the PC side and I haven't found a way to use kermit : with this setup. : Sigh, it's always something. Well, we are well aware of the need for "Winsock compliance", and I hope we will have an interesting announcement in this area some time soon (weeks or months, not years). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 14:41:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:41:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:41:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SLIP dialing and connecting Date: 27 Jun 1995 14:41:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3sp5b9$578@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Steven Schwartz wrote: : I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before : this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. : I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. : ... But I've been having problems with dropped characters... : Do you have RTS/CTS enabled in Kermit *and* in the modem? Did you use the SPORT.SCR dialing script that comes with MS-DOS Kermit? Lack of adequate flow control is the most likely explanation for dropped characters. If you are using RTS/CTS correctly (i.e. it is enabled in both Kermit and modem, and the cable, if any, actually has end-to-end wires for these signals :-), then either you have an interrupt conflict, an unbuffered UART, or both. : ... and simply : getting the consarned script to connect correctly, as "output" commands fail : to output correctly, giving the full text rather than, say, a $(environment) : variable substitution ... : Did you put a backslash in front of the $ sign? : ... and seem incapable of sending a carriage return. : output foo\13 sends "foo" followed by a carriage return. 13 is the ASCII code for carriage return. : Given this, the entire scripting situation is a right royal mess. : Any tips, suggestions, script samples would be greatly appreciated, as : I've been over the .BWR, .HLP, and .UPD files, along with Network.doc, so : often that I'm seeing them in my dreams. ;-) : Do you see the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" chapters on script programming there too ?-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 03:39:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!infoshare!whome!gts!bokonon!stephen From: stephen@bokonon.UUCP (Stephen M. Dunn) Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Organization: United System Solutions Inc. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:39:40 GMT Message-Id: References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99608 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3059 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: $Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix $version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's $annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a $start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. You'd be surprised, actually, at how many people _don't_ set these up, and go through life expecting that the modem will just work optimally without any setup if it's used only for dial-in. I've seen more than one >9600 bps modem used as a 9600-only modem because someone didn't know that you could set up the OS to do better, noticed in the manual that the modem defaults to 9600 bps DTE rate when powered on, and just left it like that. I've also seen a 9600 bps modem configured to use a hayes2400 dialer, again due to lack of knowledge on the part of the person who set it up. As for dial-out, I think C-Kermit probably needs more information than just "how UUCP or cu dials out" and "how to reset the modem for dialin". For example, of all the stuff it finds, how does it know which bits enable or disable error control, data compression, how flow control is set, etc.? Throw in the fact that there isn't just one standard format for these (I believe pre-HDB UUCP used a different format; I've never used Taylor UUCP so I can't say if it does or not) and it gets more difficult to fish this stuff out. And some UUCP packages allow for an undialer to reset the modem after a call; others assume the modem can do this on its own. In some cases, even if a system allows an undialer, it may not be used (for example, this system doesn't use one, as it places all calls and never accepts any), so if there was something you needed in that entry, you might never be able to find it. -- stephen@bokonon.UUCP ...!{xrtll,gts.org}!bokonon!stephen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen M. Dunn, CNE, ACE, Sr. Systems Analyst, United System Solutions Inc. 104 Carnforth Road, Toronto, ON, Canada M4A 2K7 (416) 750-7946 x251 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 21:26:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:27:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:27:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:26:53 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jhurwit@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of output commands. For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control character prefixing? Thanks in advance for your consideration, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 21:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:31:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:31:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!flowbee!dmg From: dmg@flowbee.interaccess.com (Data Management Group) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LRC error checking Date: 27 Jun 1995 21:20:10 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet service provider. Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3spsma$d3c@nntp.interaccess.com> Reply-To: dmg@interaccess.com Nntp-Posting-Host: flowbee.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to apply LRC error checking to a string of data to be sent to remote host. I am looking for a script/program that can be applied to the data and give the LRC character. I am using the latest release of Kermit on an RS6k running 3.2.5 and I can use any language or script .It should use the XOR function across the data stream which will be alpha, numeric and character based upto 150 chars in length. If anybody knows of anything that will do this or has knowledge of how to go about this any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Ian ============================================================================== Data Management Group E-Mail: dmg@dmgil.com Oak Brook, IL Please Reply with; Subject:ATTN:IAN Ian Barraclough Tel # 708-953-0037 "Any opinions expressed.......blah,blah,blah......." ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 08:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:19:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Testing external errorlevel in MSK 3.14 scripts? Message-Id: <1995Jun27.145112.54791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Jun 95 14:51:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > Is it possible to test the errorlevel of a program launched from a MSK > 3.14 script with the "run" command, so that the script can respond to > the outcome? I want to have a script run PKUNZIP -t to check the > integrity of a downloaded archive, and signal the sending kermit to > resend if it fails. I saw some mention of a \v(errorlevel) variable > and a few IF ERRORLEVEL commands in the help file, but it was not clear > if these refer to the exit status of externally run programs. ----------- Alas, no. Errorlevel is a private integer kept deep within DOS (undoc'd) and it is not visible outside of Command.com. Kermit uses Command.com to perform the RUN command. .BAT files are handled by Command.com, hence can see Errorlevel. You can't even write to the DOS Environment within a BAT file and have the results available to Kermit (even though MSK knows how to read the Environment) because the BAT file is using only a local copy of the Env which vanishes with Command.com #2 exits back to Kermit. About the only thing I can suggest is to write a file somewhere and let MSK act on file present/absent, or similar paleolithic o/s technique. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 17:28:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:46:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:46:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: SLIP dialing and connecting Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:28:58 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: helios@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Steven Schwartz (ses3@woodlawn.uchicago.edu) wrote: : I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before : this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. : I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. Perhaps you should show us what script is not working. The following script works between MS-DOS and SunOS to log into a shell account. if not def netpass askq netpass password: do unix ; in case params were changed set term color 0 37 44 ; white on blue set term char latin1 ; restore default after etrib set term type vt102 set flow rts dial netcom if fail dial netcom2 if fail end 1 input 5 ogin: if success output helios\13 input 5 sword: if success output \m(netpass)\13 connect -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 08:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:14:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:14:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!news From: t130313@130.230.102.14 (Pasi Tolonen) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 28 Jun 1995 08:01:59 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3sr29n$hcu@cc.tut.fi> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> Reply-To: Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: kummis21.cc.tut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99709 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3064 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... >My questions are more general: > >How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from >those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep >a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem >is replaced or moved). Leslie, In our Unix-environments, we handle the situation you described earlier: ... def POR_SEL IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..tty1a goto NEXT, set line /dev/tty1a, echo Port tty1a selected, goto PORT_OK, :NEXT, IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..ttya01 goto NEXT2, set line /dev/ttya01, echo Port ttya01 selected, goto PORT_OK, :NEXT2, IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..tty2a goto PORT_FAIL, set line /dev/tty2A, echo Port tty2A selected, :PORT_OK, pause 3, GOTO AWAY, :PORT_FAIL, echo All modems are in use, pause 3, :AWAY ... I quickly translated this from finnish to english, so please allow any typing mistakes and test it before use (Hmm... actually from script/finnish to script/english ;-)). Quick and very very dirty, but it works! Regards, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Systems Manager Analyste Oy tel: +358-31-2133544 fax: +358-31-2227701 email:Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 19:06:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:31:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:31:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!tron!usenet From: hendrix.m@smtpgty.bwi.wec.com (Stan Hendrix) Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun26.190613.10255@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:06:13 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) says: > >In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> > >> c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >>reproduce a connection from my place) >When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: ][^235[]. Correction: The scrambled characters are "^[[?62;1;2;4;6;8;9;15c". From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 15:29:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:29:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:29:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Date: 28 Jun 1995 15:29:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3srsg1$i1l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: : I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix : account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL : 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be : launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC : Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to : write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC : command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script : whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC : unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is : not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an : APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC : unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell : the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of : output commands. : : For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it : possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for : APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control : character prefixing? : This is an excellent topic for discussion. We have two conflicting goals here, and it is not easy to imagine any way to reconcile them. One is (obviously) security, the other is (for want of a better word) power. Let me begin by asking, how can the OUTPUT command ever be considered safe? The instant you enable it, you are totally vulnerable to attacks of the sort that should not be too hard to imagine, which can come as screen messages, text in email or a file (or a news posting, or a Web page...) that you are reading, or any other way that a "friend" could make something appear on your screen. If you can guarantee that your host environment is safe, then it should be safe to "set term apc unchecked". If you can't, then it isn't. Right? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 18:08:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:19:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is lowest form of DOS for Kermit 3.12 Date: 25 JUN 95 18:08:16 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 11 Message-Id: <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what is the lowest form of DOS which is compatible with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 [Sept 1992 Patch level 0, if that matters]? Do later Kermit releases require correspondingly higher levels of DOS? I'd like to find an answer before I give a one-hour introduction to Internet tomorrow afternoon (EDT Monday 26 June) if possible. Thanks. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 28 04:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:33:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:33:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 23:13:15 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 58 Message-Id: <3sqksr$g8l@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99823 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3068 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stephen M. Dunn wrote: >In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >$Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >$version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >$annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >$start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. > > You'd be surprised, actually, at how many people _don't_ set >these up, and go through life expecting that the modem will just >work optimally without any setup if it's used only for dial-in. >I've seen more than one >9600 bps modem used as a 9600-only >modem because someone didn't know that you could set up the OS >to do better, noticed in the manual that the modem defaults to >9600 bps DTE rate when powered on, and just left it like that. >I've also seen a 9600 bps modem configured to use a hayes2400 >dialer, again due to lack of knowledge on the part of the person >who set it up. Actually most modern modems can use a hayes2400 dialer, *if* you manually configure its settings and store the correct defaults. This, by the way, is a very good reason to keep a copy of kermit around on every unix machine. It is generally difficult to impossible to chat with modems that don't have carrier detect up using the stock unix programs. I keep scripts around to initialize all my modems for bidirectional use (no echo, no result codes, actual carrier detect, reset on DTR drop, etc.) so I can run them easily whenever I swap a modem or suspect it isn't set right. > As for dial-out, I think C-Kermit probably needs more information >than just "how UUCP or cu dials out" and "how to reset the modem >for dialin". For example, of all the stuff it finds, how does it >know which bits enable or disable error control, data compression, >how flow control is set, etc.? Unless your unix ports can't handle hardware flow control you are almost always better off locking the computer<->modem speed at the highest they can handle well and letting the modem negotiate the details of how to deal with the other end. But, the HDB files allow you to specify 'classes' of modems instead of just speeds. For example you might list a port as being an X38400 class as well as another entry that specified N38400, and the different entries could link to different dialer scripts regardless of whether you had two different devices or not, so by selecting a particular class you can initialize the modem as needed for the connection. > Throw in the fact that there isn't just one standard format >for these (I believe pre-HDB UUCP used a different format; I've >never used Taylor UUCP so I can't say if it does or not) and it >gets more difficult to fish this stuff out. HDB is the only version that provides enough information to be usable for anything but the simplest situations (and Taylor is able to use the HDB files as well as its own variation). Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 01:38:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:52:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:52:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jun 95 07:38:03 MDT References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 87 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: > In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> >>In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: >>> I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. >>> I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as >>> various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. >>--------- >> Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that >>I tried. > It is also known as bigcat.missouri.edu > >> a) What Kermit and version number > MS-DOS, v3.14 >> b) What terminal type the host is using > Not sure. When you get to the government access center the default terminal is VT100 > >> c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >>reproduce a connection from my place) > When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: > ][^235[]. Or perhaps like this? <<< Main Menu >>> 1 About COIN, Registration, and Help Desk 2 Post Office (E-mail and File Management) 3 School House 4 Library Center 5 Government Center 6 College, University, and Extension Center 7 Community and Social Services Center 8 Public Square 9 News Stand 10 Reference and Information Center 11 Internet Services 12 COIN will be down for one week of maintenance starting July 10 --------------------------------------------------------------- p = Previous Menu x = Exit COIN "go help" = extended help m = Main Menu h = Help Your Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c The ^[[?63 etc text above is exactly as shown, that's a caret and so on. The string is from Kermit, and it is the response to a "CSI c" (aka ESC [ c) terminal identification request from the host. The remote software is mistakenly echoing the response, and while so doing it is translating the response ESC into printable pair ^[. Now let's look a step deeper. I've omitted some escape sequences preceeding the text above. ESC HESC J ESC K <<< Main Menu >>> ESC K ESC K 1 About COIN, Registration, and Help Desk ESC K 2 Post Office (E-mail and File Management) etc ESC K m = Main Menu h = Help ESC K ESC KESC Y6 ESC KYour Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c Here I've replaced literal Escape (\27) with "ESC " for visibility in mail. These are VT52 commands, not VT100 level or above. The host also echoes lots of control codes etc. The appearance is some VT52 style BBS menu grafted onto a Sun Unix system. All told, it's a bit peculiar. If you say SET TERM VT52 to MS-DOS Kermit then the results should be nicer. Joe D. > I have to delete them with the backspace key to get back to the cursor. >> d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar > I am using the Kermit defaults. > >> e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of >>machine would be useful to know as well) > I don't know but the first thing you see is "SUN UNIX OS" then a login prompt. > You login as GUEST without a password. >> >> Joe D. > As I said I use C-Kermit for OS/2 on my home machine and login to COIN as a > VT220 terminal > using the C-Kermit defaults and I don't have this problem. I am using the MS-DOS Kermit at > work over a LANMAN/WFWG Winsock TCP/IP network. > > Thank for your help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 13:53:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 04:55:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 04:55:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen.com!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:53:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense >that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. > >Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let >the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get >keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 19:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:57:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:57:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Steve Harville <76163.3553@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set line failing - O/S error? Date: 27 Jun 1995 19:12:59 GMT Organization: Stemco Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using c-kermit 5a (189) on DGUX 5.4r3.10. I have two modems connected. I use the set line command and check for failure. If one of the modems is turned off, everything works ok. The script checks for failure and tries the other line. But if someone else has dialed in on that line, I get this : C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty13 /dev/tty13: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty13. Kermit does not see this as a failure and the script will not check the other line. How can I get a script to see this error? -- Steve Harville Stemco Inc. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 28 04:38:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:16:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:16:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 23:38:27 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3sqmc3$j76@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99885 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3073 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, >exactly as we do for MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit also has a built-in >dialer. If you don't like it and would rather use scripts, you can even >remove the built-in dialer by building C-Kermit with -DNODIAL. Yes, I've always done it that way, partly because my modems usually didn't quite work with the built-in's and partly because I like to see what's happening when things go wrong. Before you added the minput script command there might have been some reason to use the built in version because it can bail out early on BUSY or NO CARRIER responses instead of timing out, but now that is fixed. The main reason for bringing up the issue in addition to wanting a table form for the devices/dialer descriptions is that my experience indicates that the effort of improving the script language is more valuable than imbedded dialers. >: It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line >: in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that >: don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. >: >True, but those digital phone sets, and the PBXs behind them, cost >truckloads of money already. I know, we have one here :-). Organizations >that buy them are *supposed* to include provisions for dialin, dialout, fax, >and answering machine service (ha ha). Well there are even fewer people who understand phone systems and how they should be set up than computer systems. When the PBX salespeople take someone from your organization out to dinner is it the person who knows this stuff or the person who signs the checks? In our case we have a nice rack of pooled modems built right into the PBX and accessable from the digital side. The trouble is, it has never been possible to upgrade them to go faster than 1200 baud so they are never used... >Sigh, it's always something. Well, we are well aware of the need for >"Winsock compliance", and I hope we will have an interesting announcement >in this area some time soon (weeks or months, not years). Great! Like it or not, winsock seems to be the transport of choice these days. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 13:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:02:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:02:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:02:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3su89j$im5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense >>that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. >> >>Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let >>the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get >>keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, > >There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. > No, that's not it. Users want to map, say, Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7 to something. Curses isn't going to tell you that the user pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7. It doesn't even know what kind of keyboard you have. >BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges >for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit >News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? > We had this discussion and fully aired our respective views a year ago in comp.dcom.modems, at such great length and detail that when there was finally nothing more to say and the discussion died down, a great sigh of relief went up from the entire network. Nobody stonewalled. It's all in writing, and neither one of us needs to waste another year rehashing it all over over again, nor do our gentle readers need to suffer through it. By the way, a new perspective on the Zmodem-vs-Kermit controversy can be found in Tim Kienzle's new book, "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols". In it, he compares various aspects of the Kermit and Zmodem protocols in a fair and impartial way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 13:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:05:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:05:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set line failing - O/S error? Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:05:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3su8ef$j0f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Steve Harville <76163.3553@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : I am using c-kermit 5a (189) on DGUX 5.4r3.10. : I have two modems connected. I use the set line command and check : for failure. If one of the modems is turned off, everything works : ok. The script checks for failure and tries the other line. : But if someone else has dialed in on that line, I get this : : : C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty13 : /dev/tty13: Permission denied : Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty13. : : Kermit does not see this as a failure and the script will not : check the other line. How can I get a script to see this error? : Try C-Kermit 5A(190). It's always better to use current versions than old versions. One of the reasons for new releases of software is to fix bugs in previous releases. If you continue to have trouble with 5A(190), send email directly to kermit@columbia.edu with the details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 01:11:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:17:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:17:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jun 95 07:11:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix > account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL > 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be > launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC > Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to > write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC > command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script > whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC > unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is > not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an > APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC > unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell > the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of > output commands. > > For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it > possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for > APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control > character prefixing? > > Thanks in advance for your consideration, > > Jeff ------------- The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, start removing files). I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely etc). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 14:09:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!columba.udac.uu.se!news.mdh.se!news.seinf.abb.se!eua.ericsson.se!usenet From: etoel@eto_syfilix.etobi.eua.ericsson.se (Erik Larsen 42648) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Filename translation Date: 29 Jun 1995 14:09:35 GMT Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: etoel@etobi.eua.ericsson.se Nntp-Posting-Host: eto_syfilix.etobi.eua.ericsson.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I convince C-Kermit that the name emacs-19.12.tar.gz is OK and should not be translated into emacs-19c12ctarxgz? This is a unix-unix transfer (I know that ms-dos needs 8.3 names). Thanks /Erik -- (__) (oo) /---------\/ Regards / | x=a(b)|| * ||------|| Erik Larsen ^^ ^^ Mathematical Cow (developer of cow-culus) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Larsen Ericsson AS E-Mail: etoel@etobi.eua.ericsson.se ETO/X/DB Tel: +47 66 842648 Olav Brunborgs vei 6 Fax: +47 66 842606 P.O. Box 34 Memo: etoel N-1361 BILLINGSTAD, NORWAY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 19:00:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:00:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Filename translation Date: 29 Jun 1995 19:00:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3sut89$i75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Larsen 42648 wrote: >How can I convince C-Kermit that the name emacs-19.12.tar.gz is OK and >should not be translated into emacs-19c12ctarxgz? SET FILE NAMES LITERAL also see SET {SEND,RECIEVE} PATHNAMES. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 16:41:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:16:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:16:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] References: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:41:56 GMT Lines: 54 Sender: jhurwit@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to both Frank and Joe for your comments. In article <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something >on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's >includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >start removing files). Hmmm, I see your point. I can see some visciousness on the part of someone (similar to ANSI bombs, right? Someone would have to know that I'm using Kermit), but I'm not familiar with the kinds of system vagarities that would accidently trigger an unwanted APC command that would in turn cause damage on the host account. I'll take your word for it! > I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous >because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc >complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely >etc). I didn't know it would bloat the program that much. Having only recently stepped up from an 8088 portable with no hard drive, I really appreciate your continuing to support antiquated equipment with minimal resources! Ok, then let me try this suggestion: Currently, MSK will ignore a 'set apc unchecked' command in a script or macro if it was invoked with an APC command. How about reversing this so that MSK will recognize and act on that command? What I envision is placing a 'set apc unchecked' just before a dangerous command, and 'set apc on' just after. This way, the window of opportunity for a system burp setting off an unwanted command would be small, and an "APC bomb" in an e-mail message could do nothing at all without knowing the name of the script or macro. In fact, better yet, how about an "unchecked' command, to be used only in scripts or macros? Placed just before the dangerous command (eg. 'uncheked output xxxx'), it could disable APC checking just for the duration of that command, and reestablish it immediately afterward. For the docs, you could simply list out the commands which are checked, following a brief and general discussion of the reasons for checking them. More than that would not be necessary if the user has the option of an 'unchecked' command. How does this sound? Would it add too much to the size and complexity of MSK? I think it could provide a good balance between safety and flexibility if properly used. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 02:38:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is lowest form of DOS for Kermit 3.12 Message-Id: <1995Jun29.083809.54934@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jun 95 08:38:09 MDT References: <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov>, reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > Does anybody know what is the lowest form of DOS which is compatible > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 [Sept 1992 Patch level 0, if that matters]? > > Do later Kermit releases require correspondingly higher levels of DOS? > > I'd like to find an answer before I give a one-hour introduction to > Internet tomorrow afternoon (EDT Monday 26 June) if possible. > > Thanks. > > reflib@enh.nist.gov ------------ Normally DOS 2.0. DOS 3.30 has fancier file information. But why bother with the ancient DOS'? Btw, the current release of MSK is version 3.14. Please do refer to that issue rather than material three years old. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 12:48:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 20:32:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 20:32:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: mrp@inri.com (Marion R. Proctor III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Doing connect in a script Date: 29 Jun 1995 08:48:12 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3su7ec$nmh@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can't seem to connect to a remote site (network) using a script. Whenever I issue the CONNECT command, I just lose focus to telnet or whatever is getting called. How do I keep focus so I can give it the login, password, and start kermit? Here's what I have: set network tcp/ip set host [host] connect output [login] output [password] output kermit BTW, this is C-Kermit. Thanks for any help. -Randy -- *--------------------------*--------------------------------------* | Randy Proctor | Misspellers of the world, UNTIE! | | INRI (rproctor@inri.com) | http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~mrp3j | *--------------------------*--------------------------------------* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 15:40:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:01:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:01:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: 29 Jun 1995 15:40:28 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: % This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM % PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. % The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original % January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution % Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) % and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to % May 21. Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up or disconnecting. Thanks for the fix, Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 06:37:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:57:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:57:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Message-Id: Sender: trajano@otter.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:37:06 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support ISO-2022-JP -- Archimedes Luy Tan Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ http://yucc.yorku.ca/home/trajano _/ _/ _/ _/ York University cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/_/_/ _/ _/ Dept. of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 22:52:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:03:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:03:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: network connectivity Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 22:52:48 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: bhuber@netcom6.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. HELP! Bud -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 18:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Date: 30 Jun 1995 18:53:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3085 comp.os.os2.apps:88718 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support >ISO-2022-JP. > Write the supporting code? OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information or expertise to do this for OS/2. Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 18:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:00:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:00:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity Date: 30 Jun 1995 18:59:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3t1hj9$p8o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bud Huber wrote: : I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to : access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems : there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network : hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, : Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the : on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure : out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel : ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the : \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text : -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. : Hi Bud. Very quick answers: 1. Kermit does not do tn3270 itself. Hopefully this will change, but for now you need to go through an external 3270 emulator or protocol converter or tn3270 program, e.g. telnet from Kermit to UNIX or a Cisco, tn3270 from there. 2. I really, really hope that network setup would be fairly clear from the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file on the V3.14 diskette / ZIP file. If it isn't, please send specific questions / problems to kermit@columbia.edu. It really tries to start with the big picture first, and then devolves into the details and different scenarios. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 14:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:34:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:34:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!wolf!trajano From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese In-Reply-To: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> X-Sender: trajano@wolf Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science References: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:44:18 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > First you would need a copy of OS/2 Japanese edition. > Then we would need to rewrite C-Kermit to support DBCS. > In other words, sorry, but you can't. Even if I have OS/2 (Japanese Edition)? ==== __ /= /==__ _________________________________________________________/ === /= /= /==== /=== Archimedes Luy Tan Trajano = York University == == __ /= /==== /=== (trajano@cs.yorku.ca) = Dept. Of Comp. Sci. === =__/=__/=_____/=__/=== http://yucc.yorku.ca/~trajano = North York, Ontario ==== From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 11:53:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:57:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:57:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:53:12 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95181.155312HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity References: <3t1hj9$p8o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu An example of using MS-Kermit 3.14 to telnet using an NE2000 compatible ethernet card with it's own (on diskette that comes with most every ethernet card) packet driver (FTP Packet Driver specification) follows: @Echo off REM Begin KERMTCP.BAT REM DOS Batch file to use to show use of MS-Kermit 3.14 with TCP/IP REM running over 'class 1' device using a (e.g.,CRYNWR) packet driver. Rem Invoke your Packet Driver here; your card needs to be configured Rem for an "card interrupt number" and "I/O Address". Rem (usually by a software program that comes on the diskette that Rem came with the card). Read docs on ethernet card diskette. Rem Following is CRYNWR (free) packet driver specifications. Rem usage: ne2000 packet_int_no [int_no [io_addr]] ne2000 0x61 0x10 0x300 Rem Hostname is argumen to this .BAT file. set host=%1 if "%1" == "" set host=LIBRARY.PSU.EDU kermit -f kermtcp.ini, Do telnet %host%, stay set host= REM End KERMTCP.BAT ; KERMTCP.INI ; Note: TCP/IP support began with MSKERMIT 3.11. So code here works ; for MSK 3.11 thru 3.14. ; HDK - 3/3/90 patch ; install patch file, MSR314.PCH, in this case. ; You may wish to run a script here which maps keyboard. E.g. take vt300.ini def telnet SET TCP/IP HOST \%1, SET PORT TCP/IP, connect, stay SET TERM VT220 ; This normally wouldn't be needed as VT320 usually works well. SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 128.118.50.xx ; This is your PC's IP address. SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 128.118.50.1 ; This is the companion Router/Gateway SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 128.118.58.11 ; Wilbur.cac.psu.edu SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 128.118.25.3 ; OTC.psu.edu SET TCP/IP DOMAIN PSU.EDU ; We Are PSU SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; 8-bit addresses. ; NOTE: Kermit does Telnet but not TN3270. SET DISPLAY 8 ; SET TERMINAL COLOR 0, 37, 44 ; This is ok even if you don't have color. Rem Some apps on some hosts mess up the screen something fierce. This Rem allows Alt-G to reset everything connected with that. DEF RSet RUN MODE CO80, c ; Alt-G resets: Kermit VTxxx Emulator (Kreset), DOS screen Mode, SET KEY \2338 {\{Kreset}\{KRSet}} ; Alt-G resets it all. SET KEY \5493 \Kdump ; Ctrl-Gray End is (also) screen image dump. DEF DISC hangup, run cls, q ; Hangup for TCP/IP prevents exit prompt. SET KEY \2327 {\KDisc} ; Alt-I=Immediate disconnect(hangup) & MS-Kermit exit. ; End of KERMTCP.INI From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 12:54:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:01:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:01:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Date: 1 Jul 1995 12:54:31 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3089 comp.os.os2.apps:88799 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: : >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support : >ISO-2022-JP. : Write the supporting code? : OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we : know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and : do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also : during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information : or expertise to do this for OS/2. : Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail : to kermit@columbia.edu. Perhaps I'm naive, but putting Japanese on the screen should be no more than a question of making the proper system call for a screen write.... As an interim measure, you can do what I do: make a "DOS/V" boot disk and use the OS/2 "dos from drive a" option to start a Japanese session. Then, run kermit 3.14 in this dos session. I do this regularly to access the Nikkei telecom data base (bastardized old jis). The only problem I've noticed is that OS/2 has a bit of trouble handling 38,400 baud with Japanese. The specific "DOS/V" that I use is IBM PC-DOS/V 6.3 but most other variants should work. I'll be off to Japan sometime in late July (I hope). I'll try to pick up the appropriate docs then. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 13:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:11:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:11:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 1 Jul 1995 13:09:25 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3t3he5$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3su89j$im5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: : >In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >>that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense : >>that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. : >>Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let : >>the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get : >>keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, : > : >There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. : No, that's not it. Users want to map, say, Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7 to something. : Curses isn't going to tell you that the user pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7. : It doesn't even know what kind of keyboard you have. I missed the beginning of this, so if I'm answering a question that was not asked.... With SCO UNIX, you can remap the keyboard both through system calls and various utility programmes, and you do have access to the scan codes if you want to mess around this way. Although I've not done it, I would imagine that you could write a kermit macro that would invoke the appropriate SCO utility to remap the keyboard much as mskermit does. SCO UNIX may have more of these capabilities because it was built as a UNIX for PeeCee (Intel) platforms.... SCO UNIX has explicit support for scancode terminals. : >BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges : >for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit : >News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? : > : We had this discussion and fully aired our respective views a year ago : in comp.dcom.modems, at such great length and detail that when there was : finally nothing more to say and the discussion died down, a great sigh : of relief went up from the entire network. Nobody stonewalled. It's all : in writing, and neither one of us needs to waste another year rehashing it : all over over again, nor do our gentle readers need to suffer through it. Amen (not Omen). -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 18:20:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:20:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:20:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Date: 1 Jul 1995 18:20:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3t43m6$ft5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3091 comp.os.os2.apps:88846 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: :Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: :: In article , :: ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: :: >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support :: >ISO-2022-JP. : :: Write the supporting code? : :: OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we :: know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and :: do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also :: during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information :: or expertise to do this for OS/2. : :: Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail :: to kermit@columbia.edu. : :Perhaps I'm naive, but putting Japanese on the screen should be :no more than a question of making the proper system call for a :screen write.... : And installing all the hooks for translation among Shift JIS, JIS X 0208, EUC, DEC Kanji, Kanji-7, etc. But yes, this requires source code changes and testing. Currently we do not have the required tools nor a testbed. Ideally we would like to find an OS/2 C programmer who speaks and writes Japanese (and English :-). :As an interim measure, you can do what I do: make a "DOS/V" boot disk :and use the OS/2 "dos from drive a" option to start a Japanese session. :Then, run kermit 3.14 in this dos session. I do this regularly to :access the Nikkei telecom data base (bastardized old jis). The only :problem I've noticed is that OS/2 has a bit of trouble handling 38,400 :baud with Japanese. : Right - like I said, and as is explained in the latest Kermit News issue, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is fully Kanji capable. :The specific "DOS/V" that I use is IBM PC-DOS/V 6.3 but most :other variants should work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 10:46:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!sangam!rdc.ernet.in!shuvam From: shuvam@rdc.ernet.in (Shuvam Misra) Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Ravi Database Consultants Private Limited, Bombay, India Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 10:46:31 GMT References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems Lines: 67 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:100264 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3092 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >>In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >>to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >>less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices ... [deleted] > >But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of >users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout >ports. An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of >the computer they are using. Quite true, but the other class of users is still quite large. There must be -- thousands? tens of thousands? -- of shared modems out there in educational institutions and small organizations? In my company of less than ten people, we have two modems which all of us access. I guess this is not yet very uncommon. Moreover, the issue doesn't stop there, as I'll explain in the next few paras.. Since we cannot use the table-driven approach, it is impossible to use a common configuration file, e.g. a sort of /etc/modemcap. Even if there are only ten thousand sysadms managing shared modems all over the world, it's not easy for them to use each other's work, unless they can just add to a growing config file which can be exchanged and refined freely. To do this, of course, we need to finalise on the file format first. I was going through the config info required by FlexFax. The kind of details it needs is enormous. If all that could be put into a globally standardized file format, all modem-related programs could use it. Basically, I look at the modem config problem in a more generalised way. You were talking about the problem of one sysadmin managing a pool of shared modems on one machine. Such a person will have to inform only her own set of users. This problem disappears in the single-user world where each person configures his or her own modem. But the overall problem remains; why can't all my modem programs and all your modem programs on all your operating systems use a common /etc/modemcap? Ideally, I'd like to configure my ZyXEL modem after a lot of trouble, and just write the config info in a sort of globally understood syntax, and everyone else could use it. I think this could even be OS-independent. An ASCII file, together with its access library in C, can be ported to any OS. I am sure there are serial-port-related issues which are OS-dependent, but I suspect even a lot of that could be parameterized. There is nothing very original about my idea; I believe that if /etc/termcap can work, why not /etc/modemcap? In such a file, there would be one entry for a modem type called "_DEFAULT_" or some such. All modem definitions would need to specify only the departure from this default. This _DEFAULT_ would define a simple Hayes-compatible modem. And modem definitions would be organized in heirarchies, like in /etc/termcap. Sort of "base class" and "derived classes". I guess more than 90% of config info for ZyXEL models will be in one "base class" for ZyXEL modems, with small derivatives for each specific model... And in my ideal world, modem manufacturers will supply /etc/modemcap entries to customers... Hope to have the (gaping?) holes in my scheme shot down.. :) Shuvam -- -- shuvam misra ------------------------------- shuvam@rdc.ernet.in -- -- systems administrator -------------------------- +91 22 284 4904 -- ----------------------------------------------- fax +91 22 282 8969 -- ----------- "Linux: the choice of a GNU generation" ------------------ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 11:18:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 06:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 06:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: <1995Jun30.171856.55074@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jun 95 17:18:56 MDT References: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > Thanks to both Frank and Joe for your comments. > > In article <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > >> The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something >>on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's >>includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>start removing files). > > Hmmm, I see your point. I can see some visciousness on the part of > someone (similar to ANSI bombs, right? Someone would have to know > that I'm using Kermit), but I'm not familiar with the kinds of > system vagarities that would accidently trigger an unwanted APC > command that would in turn cause damage on the host account. I'll > take your word for it! > >> I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous >>because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc >>complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely >>etc). > > I didn't know it would bloat the program that much. Having only > recently stepped up from an 8088 portable with no hard drive, I > really appreciate your continuing to support antiquated equipment > with minimal resources! > > Ok, then let me try this suggestion: Currently, MSK will ignore a > 'set apc unchecked' command in a script or macro if it was invoked > with an APC command. How about reversing this so that MSK will > recognize and act on that command? What I envision is placing a > 'set apc unchecked' just before a dangerous command, and 'set apc > on' just after. This way, the window of opportunity for a system > burp setting off an unwanted command would be small, and an "APC > bomb" in an e-mail message could do nothing at all without knowing > the name of the script or macro. > > In fact, better yet, how about an "unchecked' command, to be used > only in scripts or macros? Placed just before the dangerous > command (eg. 'uncheked output xxxx'), it could disable APC checking > just for the duration of that command, and reestablish it > immediately afterward. > > For the docs, you could simply list out the commands which are > checked, following a brief and general discussion of the reasons > for checking them. More than that would not be necessary if the > user has the option of an 'unchecked' command. > > How does this sound? Would it add too much to the size and > complexity of MSK? I think it could provide a good balance between > safety and flexibility if properly used. > > Jeff --------- Well, er, a little confusing today, but I think I have your point. That point is let the APC command text contain a SET APC UNCHECKED string. Is that right? If so then there is no point to having checking at all; someone can do whatever they wish to your machine just by sticking such APC command material (with the APC ST control codes too) in anything you display via Connect mode. Mail will do nicely. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 16:24:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:24:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:24:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity Message-Id: <1995Jun30.222454.55092@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jun 95 22:24:54 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) writes: > I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to > access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems > there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network > hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, > Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the Much appreciated. > on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure > out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel > ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the > \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text > -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. ----------------- Try the networks subdirectory of the Kermit distribution material, file SETUP.DOC, which starts off like this: File NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC January 1995 SETTING UP YOUR PC FOR MS-DOS KERMIT NETWORKING Applies to: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Authors: Joe R. Doupnik, Utah State University Frank da Cruz, Columbia University Last updated: Wed May 31 09:45:25 1995 ABSTRACT Applying mainly to TCP/IP, but with some discussion of STARLAN, etc, this file concentrates on the low-level network configuration of your PC, network board interface standards, drivers and shims, Windows, memory management, TCP/IP configuration, and how to get MS-DOS Kermit working on your network. CHAPTER 0. GENERAL PRINCIPLES Current release material is in kermit/msdos on kermit.columbia.edu, look for package deal binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 15:42:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:50:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!s9203257 From: s9203257@bf.rmit.edu.au (Ming CHEW) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: H: Dlding binary files with kermit Date: 2 Jul 1995 15:42:38 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3t6epe$e39@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.edu.au Nntp-Posting-User: s9203257 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, please do not flame, i would like to know how to download files - binary using kermit ver 5a (189) -30 june 1994 for the sun os (BSD) i have tried looking for the man files and comp. answers newsgroup for the faq but cannot locate please help... reply bia email pls : s9203257@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au ming include std. disclaimer From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 16:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:13:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:13:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cqu.edu.au!topaz.cqu.edu.au!naderr From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit script question. Date: 3 Jul 95 02:56:09 +1000 Organization: Central Queensland University, Australia Lines: 24 Message-Id: <1995Jul3.025609@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: topaz.cqu.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, there's a couple of things i'd like to know how to do in a kermit script file ( if possible ): (1) the notation \%g LABEL jumps to a label defined _below_ in the script; is it possible to jump above like: \%G LOOP so that it loops? (2) is there a way to call the '^\c' ctrl-\C from winthin a script? TIA, -- Cheers, Rob. /*------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Anthony Nader naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au rob@fantale.cbr.fidonet.org roberto@tecma1.ctima.uma.es --------------------------------------------------------------------*/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 01:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:07:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:07:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Santiago Albanese <75030.2743@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ascii file transfers Date: 2 Jul 1995 01:39:26 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello : Does anyone know where I can find a reliable kermit program ( macro ) to do unattended ascii file captures ? Be that a program that dials another comp. , login and capture some text then hang up . I bougth the C-kermit book but it leaves this endeavor as an exercise . Thanks in advance , Chago From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 07:37:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:42:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:42:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cqu.edu.au!topaz.cqu.edu.au!naderr From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help with lockup/hangup when scrolling Date: 3 Jul 95 17:37:05 +1000 Organization: Central Queensland University, Australia Lines: 51 Message-Id: <1995Jul3.173705@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: topaz.cqu.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have the following problem when using kermit as my dial in comms program: when I ftp somewhere ( from the remote host ) and I do a 'dir' or 'ls -s' on a directry that has many files it scrolls about a page or so and then locks up and hangs up. Any ideas, suggestions? TIA, here is the output of my local 'show': Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..cua3 Escape character: 28 (^\) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 1 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: converted Type: text Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Send Pathnames: on Receive Pathnames: on Display: fullscreen Transaction Log: none File Character-Set: US ASCII (7-bit) Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc [/root/@linuxbox//root/download] C-Kermit> -- Cheers, Rob. /*------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Anthony Nader naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au rob@fantale.cbr.fidonet.org roberto@tecma1.ctima.uma.es --------------------------------------------------------------------*/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 15:14:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:14:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:14:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ascii file transfers Date: 3 Jul 1995 15:14:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3t91g0$dv2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Santiago Albanese <75030.2743@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a reliable kermit >program ( macro ) to do unattended ascii file captures ? Be that >a program that dials another comp. , login and capture some text >then hang up . I bougth the C-kermit book but it leaves this >endeavor as an exercise . > Then you have to buy the Answer Booklet :-) Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Run a connection-establishment and login script, such as the ones that *are* shown in the book, and also are included with C-Kermit in your services directory macros in the C-Kermit initialization file, and then: 1. Start a session log: "log session capture.txt". 2. OUTPUT the host command to display the desired file, e.g. "output type foo.txt\13". 3. INPUT the next system prompt, e.g. "input 60 \13\10$\32". 4. Close the session log: "close session". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 15:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:20:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:20:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with lockup/hangup when scrolling Date: 3 Jul 1995 15:20:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3t91ra$ei9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul3.173705@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul3.173705@topaz>, wrote: >when I ftp somewhere ( from the remote host ) and I do a 'dir' or 'ls -s' >on a directry that has many files it scrolls about a page or so and then >locks up and hangs up. > >here is the output of my local 'show': > > Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none > Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..cua3 > Escape character: 28 (^\) > >[/root/@linuxbox//root/download] C-Kermit> > You left out the most important info -- what kind of computer, what OS (evidently Linux on a PC?), what version of C-Kermit? Could it be that your host's FTP client has some kind of pager built in, similar to Unix "more"? I could list about 100 possible reasons for the behavior you are seeing, but that would be silly. Why don't you just: (a) Make sure you have an up-to-date version of C-Kermit, namely 5A(190). (b) Set it up correctly for your type of connection. For example, if you are using a high-speed error-correcting modem, then set Kermit and the modem for RTS/CTS flow control. (c) Consult the manual, "Using C-Kermit", which contains countless pages of info about serial communication and troubleshooting hints. (d) If the problem persists, send email to kermit@columbia.edu listing the details of the software version, connection type and parameters, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 18:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!not-for-mail From: drf@spruce.demon.co.uk (Duncan Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 18:25:58 GMT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: drf@spruce.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: spruce.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spruce.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. Cheers Dunk PS. Please reply via email. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 19:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:56:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:56:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Date: 3 Jul 1995 19:56:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3t9i0p$22a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk>, Duncan Frazer wrote: : Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to : have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms : package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using : it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start : time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you : can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) : which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url : names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. : MS-DOS Kermit doesn't do this on its own, and I don't know of anybody who has set it up to do this. Here is how I would do it, assuming I wanted one big log file. Modify the DIAL macro to "open append" your log file. If the file did not exist, this would create it. At the place where the DIAL macro decides that dialing was successful, write a record (using WRITE FILE) stating the phone number, date, and time and any other desired information. This can formatted nicely using the built-in string functions (like \frpad(), flpad(), etc) in version 3.14. In the event that you hang up the call a long time before you exit from Kermit, you should also define another macro, which you would have to run explicitly, to record the time of hangup in the log file, and then close the log file. For example: define myhangup - hangup, - write file Hangup at \v(time) \vdate()\13\10, - close write See "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for details about writing macros. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 10:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:48:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:48:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Message-Id: <1995Jul3.162925.55282@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 95 16:29:25 MDT References: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk>, drf@spruce.demon.co.uk (Duncan Frazer) writes: > Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to > have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms > package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using > it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start > time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you > can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) > which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url > names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. ------------- All this is very do-able with the Kermit scripting tools. To use them please do read the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (or, for C Kermit users, "Using C Kermit"). Book details are available in the HELP command. Look at the WRITE command and variables of the form \v(item). We provide the tools for users to create their own scripts to fit local needs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 04:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 00:10:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 00:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!cgl!cao From: cao@cgl.bu.edu (Chan Cao) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 4 Jul 1995 04:09:45 GMT Organization: Boston University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cgl.bu.edu Summary: Sporter 14.4k with Flow Control Problems Keywords: Sporter, 14.4K, RTS/CTS, XON/XOFF, software, hardware, stty X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I hope someone would help me solve a little problem: My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work properly with both a version of kermit I've been using and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, different speeds...etc-all without much luck. When I'm using the newsreader 'tin,' the arrow pointer would shows up many places at once on the same column. Keyboard scan codes for the arrow keys (^[[H, ^[[G) would also show up when I try to move the curror though different articles fast. Thank you for your help. CC From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:10:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:01:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!news From: cje2@york.ac.uk (chris elliott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 21:10:37 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3tbek3$r5u@mailer.york.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biolpc68.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I looked at the Hensa mirror of the kermit distribution: how can I tell if the new version is there without having to get the file, unpack it and look at the version date? chris >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >% This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM >% PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. >% The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original >% January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution >% Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) >% and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to >% May 21. >Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me >included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up >or disconnecting. I have certainly been losing telnet connections on 3.14 here with the packet drivers From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 14:07:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:01:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:01:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!biolpc68 From: cje2@york.ac.uk (chris elliott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 04 Jul 95 14:07:37 GMT Organization: Univ of York Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3tbhuv$t7p@mailer.york.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biolpc68.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have now looked in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip and the version command still says 18 jan Is this the correct place to look? chris In article <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) wrote: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >% This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM >% PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. > >% The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original >% January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution >% Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) >% and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to >% May 21. > >Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me >included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up >or disconnecting. > >Thanks for the fix, > >Leila From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 02:00:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:05:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:05:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Message-Id: <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jul 95 08:00:00 MDT References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu>, cao@cgl.bu.edu (Chan Cao) writes: > I hope someone would help me solve a little problem: > > My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work > properly with both a version of kermit I've been using > and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, > I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. > I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, > different speeds...etc-all without much luck. > > When I'm using the newsreader 'tin,' the arrow pointer > would shows up many places at once on the same column. > Keyboard scan codes for the arrow keys (^[[H, ^[[G) > would also show up when I try to move the curror > though different articles fast. ------------ Those aren't "scan codes" for keys but rather the control sequences sent by the terminal emulator to the host to represent keys. If you see several characters starting with a caret (^) then that's generated by the remote host and echoed back to the local machine. It's not flow control, it's most likely a parity problem. You will have to match parity with what the remote side requires. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 18:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:17:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:17:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 4 Jul 1995 18:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3tc0kg$k7d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Sporter, 14.4K, RTS/CTS, XON/XOFF, software, hardware, stty Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu>, Chan Cao wrote: >My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work >properly with both a version of kermit I've been using >and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, >I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. >I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, >different speeds...etc-all without much luck. > Maybe the new Sportster is an RPI (Rockwell Protocol Interface) model, which requires special software to be used properly. Without this software, you don't get error correction, data compression, local flow control, or speed buffering. Read the box carefully and make sure it doesn't say anything about RPI or "special software". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 17:20:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:25:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:25:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!torfree!freenet.toronto.on.ca!aw191 From: aw191@freenet.toronto.on.ca (Mick Reid) Subject: screen capture Message-Id: Sender: aw191@torfree.net (Mick Reid) Reply-To: aw191@freenet.toronto.on.ca (Mick Reid) Organization: Toronto Free-Net Inc., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:20:35 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I need some help using kermit. I am in a dos environment and I need to use a screen capture. Is it possible to do this using kermit? I would be grateful for any help Thanx Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:18:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:26:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:26:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!kurtk From: kurtk@ee.ualberta.ca (Kurt Klingbeil) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 4 Jul 1995 21:18:05 GMT Organization: Computing and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3tcb6d$if4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sqmc3$j76@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:100729 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, >Yes, I've always done it that way, partly because my modems usually >... >fixed. The main reason for bringing up the issue in addition to >wanting a table form for the devices/dialer descriptions is that >my experience indicates that the effort of improving the script >language is more valuable than imbedded dialers. Quite Agree. kk From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:40:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:44:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!aztec.co.za!not-for-mail From: kuyper@aztec.co.za (Kuyper Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit WAN Probs Date: 4 Jul 1995 23:40:59 +0200 Organization: Aztec Public Access Internet Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3tcchb$t7l@aztec.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a repost, but it hasn't left my regular machine yet and time is short.... :-( I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. At this point it seems unlikely that the routers are at fault (other Terminal emulators don't seem to hang) and it's not an obvious compatability problem between Kermit and UNIXWare as the Local PCs don't hang. DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) WAN consists of Motorola (Vanguard??) Routers running IP over 64K lines. LANs are plain (coax?) ethernet. I cannot reproduce the problem here on my PC over a WAN to a Solaris box. Any ideas would be REALLY Appreciated (please respond by mail as well as any newpostings as I'll be out in the bundu with a cell-phone modem [pretty dodgy :-( ]) Thanks Kuyper -- Kuyper@aztec.co.za - Guest login on Aztec From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:58:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:58:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:58:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: screen capture Date: 4 Jul 1995 21:58:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tcdia$1qh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mick Reid wrote: >Hi, I need some help using kermit. I am in a dos environment and I need >to use a screen capture. Is it possible to do this using kermit? I >would be grateful for any help > As explained on pages 77-78 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which you should purchase (the book, not the pages :-) if you are going to use the software, there are several methods: . LOG SESSION captures the raw bytes as they come in the communication port. . Screen-dump via Ctrl-End (on the numeric keypad) records the current screen to the SET DUMP file. . And the various host-directed printing methods can be redirected to a file via SET PRINTER. For more information about Kermit manuals and software: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:27:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:46:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!cthru!kuyper From: kuyper@cthru.iplan.co.za (Kuyper Hoffman) Subject: MSKermit WAN Probs Message-Id: <1995Jul4.212713.29586@cthru.iplan.co.za> Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Regional Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:27:13 GMT Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. At this point it seems unlikely that the routers are at fault (other Terminal emulators don't seem to hang) and it's not an obvious compatability problem between Kermit and UNIXWare as the Local PCs don't hang. DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) WAN consists of Motorola (Vanguard??) Routers running IP over 64K lines. LANs are plain (coax?) ethernet. I cannot reproduce the problem here on my PC over a WAN to a Solaris box. Any ideas would be REALLY Appreciated (please respond by mail as well as any newpostings as I'll be out in the bundu with a cell-phone modem [pretty dodgy :-( ]) Thanks Kuyper -- | Kuyper Hoffman | This signature contains: | | kuyper@iplan.co.za | carbonated water, citric acid, | | + = + = + = + = + = + = \-------------\ calcium cyclamate, | | | acesulfame K.... | | | cont. on next sig. | \----------------------------------------------------/ \-------------------/ ****************************************** * Opinions are those of the individuals. * ****************************************** From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 01:11:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:18:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:18:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!exodus.yonsei.ac.kr!mosaic From: mosaic@yiscgw.yonsei.ac.kr (Nas Mosaic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: ICCC'95 2nd Call for Participation. Date: 5 Jul 1995 01:11:40 GMT Organization: Nas Lab of EE Dept. in Yonsei Univ. Lines: 1166 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3tcosc$8dn@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: namu.yonsei.ac.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ibm:4504 comp.protocols.iso:6410 comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ:1592 comp.protocols.iso.x400:4057 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3114 comp.protocols.kerberos:4890 comp.protocols.nfs:13354 comp.protocols.ppp:11287 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information about ICCC'95 is now available on the World Wide Web at the following address : * http://most.etri.re.kr/iccc/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following is the second announcement of Call For Participation of ICCC'95 which will be held from 21-24 of August 1995, in Seoul, Korea. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ICCC'95 CALL FOR PARTICIPATION *********************************************************** * 12th International Conference On Computer Communication * *********************************************************** ******************************************* * August 21-24, 1995 * * Hotel Intercontinental, Seoul, Korea * ******************************************* Sponsored by ICCC - International Council for Computer Communication Hosted by ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute KISS - Korea Information Science Society Under the patronage of Ministry of Information and Communication, Republic of Korea Conference Site Hotel Intercontinental 135-650 P.O.Box 87 Trade Center Seoul Tel:+82-2-555-5656, Telex:K33970 ,Fax:+82-2-559-7990 ADVANCE PROGRAM --------------------- Conference Governor Honorary Conference Chairman ------------------- ---------------------------- Dr. Ronald P. Uhlig Dr. Sanghyon Kyong Northern Telecom,USA Minister, MIC, Korea Conference Chairman Conference Co-chairman --------------------- ----------------------- Prof. Chongsun Hwang Dr. Seungtaik Yang President,KISS,Korea President,ETRI,Korea Technical Program ----------------------- Chair:Dr. Seonjong Chung ETRI,Korea Co-chairs:Dr.Roger Needam Dr. Otto Spaniol Univ. of Cambridge, UK Achen Tech. Univ. Prof. Sergio Fdida Dr. Nicolas Georganas MASI, France Univ. of Ottawa, Canada Dr. Pramode Verma Dr. Hideyoshi Tominaga AT&T,USA Waseda Univ. Japan Publication ------------- Mr. Keosang Lee DACOM,Korea Publicity ----------- Prof. Jaiyong Lee Yonsei Univ.,Korea Registration -------------- Dr. Samyoung Seuh N.C.A.,Korea Treasurer ---------- Dr. Seungkyu Park Ajou Univ.,Korea Social Program ---------------- Dr.Noshik Kim Korea Telecom,Korea Secretary Co-Secretary ----------- -------------- Prof. Yangheei Choi Dr. Younghee Lee Seoul National Univ.,Korea ETRI, Korea Tutorial ---------- Prof. Sunshin An Korea Univ.,Korea Local Arrangements ------------------ Prof. Dongho Lee Kwangwon Univ.,Korea ******************* Keynote Addresses ******************* Monday, August 22 10:55 - 12:20 =============================== 1. "Network Intelligence for Information Superhighway" Dr. Louis Pouzin, THESEUS, France 2. "Information & Communication Policy in Korea" Mr. Hongshik Jung Ministry of Information and Communication(MIC), Korea 3. "The Telecommunications Policy Debate in the US - Where is it headed and what will be the effects on NII and GII development." Mr. Tomas J. Sugrue National Telecommunications and Information Administration(NTIA), USA *********** TUTORIALS *********** Monday, August 21, 1995 ======================= T1. "Multimedia Networking: Applications Requirements, Network Infrastructures, Protocols and Servers" Instructor: Fouad A. Tobagi, Stanford University; tobagi@bodega.stanford.edu T2. "Physical and MAC Layers in Cellular Wireless Communication Networks (With Special Emphasis on CDMA Standards)" Instructor: Arogyaswami Paulraj, Stanford University; chris@rascals.stanford.edu T3. "Distributed Multimedia Systems and Applications" Instructor: Borko Furht, Florida Atalantic University; borko@cse.fau.edu T4. "Broadband Networking with ATM" Instructor: Anujan Varma, University of California; varma@cse.ucsc.edu ******************** Technical Sessions ******************** Tuesday, August 22 14:00 - 15:30 ================================= Session 1A Information Superhighway ------------------------ 1A.1 R&D Strategy for Technologies for an Integrated Ultra-high Speed Network and Computer System Masahiro Taka, Ultra-high Speed Network and Computer Technology Laboratories(UNCL), Japan 1A.2 A Comprehensive Plan for the Korea Information Infrastructure Joun Cheon, MIC, Korea 1A.3 Information Highways and Competitiveness of Telecommunication Services Firms in Brazil Renata Lebre La Rovere, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Jorge Fagundes, Faculdades Integradas Candido Mendes, Brazil Invited Paper: NII Project in R.O.C. - Deployment and Applications of Broadband Trial Network Dr. Jin-Tuu Wang, Telecommunication Laboratories(TL), Taiwan Session 1B Multimedia Communication 1 -------------------------- 1B.1 Statistical Real-Time Channels on Multiaccess Networks Chih-Che Chou, Kang G.Shin, University of Michigan, USA 1B.2 A Multimedia-on-Demand System with End-to-End Quality of Service Guarantees Lek Heng Ngoh, Huanxu Pan, National University of Singapore, Singapore, Aurel Lazar, Columbia University, USA 1B.3 Controlling Agent Interactions in a Tightly Coupled Multiagent Framework Joongmin Choi, Sangkyu Park, Myeongwuk Jang, Sooncheol Baeg, Gwanglo Lee, Younghwan Lim, ETRI, Korea 1B.4 Interactive Multimedia - Services, Success Factors and End-to-End Network Solutions Manfred Gand, Siemens AG, Germany Session 1C ATM Switching 1 --------------- 1C.1 Performance Analysis for ATM Switching of Mixed Continuous-Bit-Rate and Bursty Traffic with Smoothing Function Liao Jianxin, Li Lemin, Lai Guangming, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China, China 1C.2 Design of Network of ATM Switch with Simple Fault Detection Method Jongin Jung, Sungchun Kim, Seogang University, Korea 1C.3 A Novel Architecture for Priority Handling in an ATM Multicast Switch Young C.Oh, Suresh Rai, Lousiana State University, U.S.A 1C.4 Cut Through Routing in Shared Buffered Banyan Networks Seong Leong Ng, Bill Dewar, University of New South Wales, Australia Session 1D High-speed Protocols 1 ---------------------- 1D.1 Modeling of Function-Based Communication Protocol Entities for Performance Assessment, Application to XTP Atika Cohen, Radouane Mrabet, Universite Libre de Bruxelles, Belgium 1D.2 Performance Analysis of a k-Reliable Multicast ARQ Protocol Bongtae Kim, Harry G Perros, Arne A Nilsson, North Carolina State University, USA 1D.3 A Fair and Efficient Access Control Method for High Speed Multimedia LAN and MAN Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Onur Altintas, Byungsuk Kim,Terumasa Aoki, University of Tokyo, Japan 1D.4 A New Ring Protocol for ATM-MAN Cheul Shim, Keehyun Park, Junho Lee, Jaiyong Lee, Sangbae Lee, Yonsei University, Korea Tuesday, August 22 15:50 - 17:20 ================================= Session 2A Network Architecture -------------------- 2A.1 Design of a Modular and Efficient Communication Subsystem Torsten Braun, Jochen Schiller, Claudia Schmidt, Martina Zitterbart, University of Karlsruhe, Germany 2A.2 Open Platform for Group-working in ODP Environments Changwook Lee, Yongjin Park, Hanyang University, Korea 2A.3 The Design of A Fault-Tolerant ATM Network Chi-Chun Lo, Chen-Yu Chiou, National Chiao-Tung University, Taiwan 2A.4 Architecture of a European-wide Backbone Network A.Hyron, P.Louazel, P.Puges, France Telecom, France Session 2B Multimedia Communication 2 -------------------------- 2B.1 How Smart Valley, Inc. is Creating an Electronic Community in the San Francisco Bay Area Harry J. Saal, Smart Valley. Inc., USA 2B.2 Multi-Carrier Modulation for Multimedia Communications: Symbol Timing and Carrier Phase Synchronization Issues Thierry Pollet, Marc Moeneclaey, University of Ghent, Belgium 2B.3 Performance Analysis of Leaky Bucket Algorithm with Bursty Traffic Input in ATM Networks Sun Hairong, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science & Technology of China, China 2B.4 Proposal of Architecture for Video on Demand System over ATM Network Keigo Ihara, Yasuhiko Yasuda, Waseda University, Kinji Ono, NCSIS, Japan Session 2C Computer Communication 1 ------------------------ 2C.1 Sojourn Time Analysis of Prioritized DQDB (IEEE802.6) MAN with Bursty Traffic Input Sun Hairong, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science & Technology of China, China 2C.2 FADM : A New Access Control Method for Distributed Access Subscriber Network Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Byungsuk Kim, University of Tokyo, Japan 2C.3 Providing Internet Email to the Campus Community at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, Lahore, Pakistan Sohail Aslam, Lahore University of Management Sciences, Pakistan 2C.4 Distributed Mutual Exclusion on Hypercubes Mohamed Naimi, Laboratoire d'Informatique de Besancon, France Session 2D Intelligent Network 1 --------------------- 2D.1 An Object-based Model of the Service Control Function Boris Makarevitch, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland 2D.2 Intelligent Networking-from Narrowband to Broadband Richard B. Robrock II, Bell Communications Research Inc., USA 2D.3 Performance Evaluation of Intelligent Networks Accommodating Various IN Services as well as Basic ISDN Services Minyoung Chung, Dankeun Sung, KAIST, Korea Invited Paper: Evolution of Intelligent Networks Dr. Ronald P. Uhlig, President, ICCC Wednesday, August 23 9:00 - 10:30 ================================== Session 3A Network Management 1 -------------------- 3A.1 Tempo's Quality of Service Model Stefan Bocking, Siemens AG, Rainer Schatzmayr, TU Berlin, Germany 3A.2 Priority Management to Improve the QOS for Shared Memory ATM Switch Sohail Ahmed, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, Malaysia 3A.3 Modeling and Management of Distributed Applications and Services Using the OSI Management Framework James W.Hong, Michael J. Katchabaw, Michael A. Bauer, Hanan Lutfiyya, University of Western Ontario, Canada 3A.4 A Delegation Approach on an Application Gateway for Heterogeneous Network Managements Taeyeon Kim, Youngkyun Kim, Bongnam Noh, Chonnam National University, Korea Session 3B Mutimedia Communication 3 ------------------------- 3B.1 Multicast Scheduling for VOD Services Heekyoung Woo, Jichul Park, Chongkwon Kim, Seoul National University, Korea 3B.2 An Efficient Backward Compatible Video Coding Method for MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Standards Kijin Kim, Soonkak Kwon, Jaekyoon Kim, KAIST, Korea 3B.3 Error Control Schemes for Improving the Performance of MPEG-based Video Communications over ATM Networks Taeseop Han, Luis Orozco-Barbosa, University of Ottawa, Canada 3B.4 An Object Oriented Network Simulation Testbed for Real Time Multimedia Applications Sandeep Kumar, P.Venkataram, Indian Institute of Science, India Session 3C ATM Switching 2 --------------- 3C.1 On the Performance Evaluation of an ATM Switch with Bursty Traffic and Nonindependant Routing Sabine Wittevrongel, Herwig Bruneel, University of Ghent, Belgium 3C.2 Analysis of ATM Switch with Feedback Input Queuing and Output Queuing under Bursty Traffic Ghassan Kbar, William J. Dewar University of New South Wales, Australia 3C.3 Design of a Cost-Effective Modular Architecture for Very Large ATM Switches K. H. Cho, J. H. Park, B. S. Kwon, S. Eun, H. Yoon, KAIST, Korea 3C.4 Analysis of Priority Control Mechanism with Two Thresholds in ATM Switch Network Wongi Park, Youngsun Kim, Chimoon Han, ETRI, Hyoungjin Choi, Sungkyunkwan University, Korea Session 3D Wireless Communication 1 ------------------------ 3D.1 An Improved Leader Election Protocol in Multi-hop Radio Networks Chungki Lee, NCA, Korea, Mostafa H. Ammar, Georgia Institute of Technology, James E. Burns, Bellcore, USA 3D.2 Scheduling Algorithms for Packet Radio Networks Mark L. Huson, Arunabha Sen, Arizona State University, USA 3D.3 HF Radio Prediction Services for PC Communication Kyujin Wee, Seokhee Bae, Radio Research Lab, MIC, Daejoong Kim, Seongkyeong Park, Changeon Kang, Yonsei University, Korea 3D.4 Voice and Packet Data Integration over GSM Networks Giuseppe Bianchi, Antonio Capone, Luigi Fratta, Luigi Musumeci, Politecnico di Milano, Italy Wednesday, August 23 10:50 - 12:20 =================================== Session 4A Network Planning ---------------- 4A.1 Modular Network Planning of Peruvian University Eduardo Gorritti Castro, Aurora Ruiz Rosado, Antenor Orrego University, Peru 4A.2 Communication by Computer : A Proposal of Development to Peru Esteban Rafael Estrada Hora, Cesar Angusto Ramires Luna Victoria, Antenor Orrego University, Peru 4A.3 Differences in Network Planning for Wireless Local Loop and Mobile Wireless Systems Bracha Epstein, Moshe Levin, Tadiran Telecommunications, Israel 4A.4 Use of Conjoint Measurements for an Optimal Design of International Telephone Services Christian Eggenberger, Christof Hauser, University of St. Gallen, Switzerland Session 4B Broadband Communication 1 ------------------------- 4B.1 A Modular Transport Network Node Gerald Lebizay, IBM Lab., France 4B.2 Design Method for Virtual Path Based ATM Networks with Multiple Traffic Classes Byunghan Ryu, Hiroyuki Ohsaki, Masayuki Murata, Hideo Miyahara, Osaka University, Japan 4B.3 A Compatible ATM-DQDB Interconnection in a Broadband Multi-Internetworking Unit Xavier Hesselbach, Sebasti Sallent, Politechnic University of Catalonia, Spain 4B.4 Dynamic Virtual Path Bandwidth Control over Multiple Transmission Links in an ATM Network Eunjoo Ha, Jaehyuk Do, Jongtae Park, Kyungbuk National University, Chimoon Han, ETRI, Korea Session 4C Computer Communication 2 ------------------------ 4C.1 Performance Evaluation of A Deferred Write Technique as a Recovery Technique in Client-Server DBMS Y. Jeon, F.Lombardi, Texas A & M University, USA 4C.2 ATM Switches in Computer Networks, A Proposal for the LAN Environment Hendrik Visage, University of Pretoria, South Africa 4C.3 An Application Configuration for Information Delivery Systems in a Distributed Processing Environment Junichi Kikuchi, Takeya Mukaigaito, Hiroshi Masamoto, Manabu Tsukuda, NTT, Japan 4C.4 Practical Performance Analysis of UDP/IP and TCP/IP over ATM with Special Regard to Protocol-, Operating System- and ATM Layer Limitations Andree Zehl, Thomas P.Kusch Technical University of Berlin, Germany Session 4D Performance Analysis -------------------- 4D.1 MMBP[X]/G/1 Queues and Their Application to the Approximation of the Performance of ATM Switches Mowcheng Lee, ITRI, Taiwan, C. Y. Roger Chen, Syracuse University, USA 4D.2 On the Prediction of the Stochastic Behavior of Time Series by Use of Neural Networks - an Application to Source Modelling Markus D. EbersplAher, University of Stuttgart, Germany 4D.3 Analysis of Optimal Scheduling in Distributed Parallel Queueing Systems Mark S. Squillante, IBM, Konstantinos P. Tsoukatos, University of Maryland, USA 4D.4 Modeling of SONET Links for Per-Session Study of an ATM Multiplexer Rajesh I. Balay, Arne A. Nilsson, North Carolina State University, USA Wednesday, August 23 14:00 - 15:30 =================================== Session 5A Security and Privacy 1 ---------------------- 5A.1 Intrusion Detection : A Survey Mansour Esmaili, Reihaneh Safavi-Naini, Josef Pieprzyk, University of Wollongong, Australia 5A.2 Fast Software Encryption Systems for Secure & Private Communication Moldovyan A. A., Institute of Modeling and Intellectualization of Complex Systems, Moldovyan N. A., Academy of Sciences of Moldova Republic, Russia, Moldova 5A.3 A Secure Communication Scheme Using Chaotic Signals Chungyong Lee, Jaejin Lee, Douglas B. Williams, Georgia Institute of Technology, U.S.A 5A.4 A Secure Multiway Election Scheme Sungjun Park, Dongho Won, Sungkyunkwan University, Korea Session 5B Protocol Engineering 1 ---------------------- 5B.1 Automated Verification in an Integrated Protocol Development Environment Ajin Jirachiefpattana, Richard Lai, La Trobe University, Australia 5B.2 High Performance ASN.1/BER Decoder Sunwan Choi, ETRI, Korea 5B.3 Test Generation from SDL Specifications and Input/Output Finite State Machines Byungmoon Chin, ETRI, Korea, Anna R.Cavalli, Toma Macavei, Institut National des Telecommunications, France 5B.4 Designing Tests for Time Dependant Systems Ousamane Konmh Universit Bordeaux I, France Session 5C ATM Traffic 1 ------------- 5C.1 Flow Control of ABR Traffic in ATM Networks Using a Two-level Scheme Wales Kin Fai Wong, Danny H.K.Tsang, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, Hong Kong 5C.2 Effective Bandwidth Techniques in Bufferless and Buffered ATM Multiplexers B. G. Kim, I. G. Niemegeers, University of Twente, The Netherlands 5C.3 On an Extension of Leaky Bucket Algorithm: Leaky Bucket Algorithm with Multiple Token Rates Dirceu Cavendish, Yuji Oie, Kyushu Institute of Technology, Tetsuya Takine, Osaka University, Japan 5C.4 On GA-based Optimal Dimensioning of Three-Level Traffic Shaper for Statistical Multiplexing in ATM Networks Kyeongsoo Kim, Byeonggi Lee, Seoul National University, Korea Session 5D High-speed Protocols 2 ---------------------- 5D.1 An Integrated Packet Scheduling Algorithm for Highspeed Packet-Switched Wide-Area Networks Jaechang Kwak, Seokyeong University, Korea 5D.2 Robust Communication Protocols for Run-Time Fault Detection G.Noubir, K.Vijayananda, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Switzerland 5D.3 A New Presentation Layer Protocol for Partitioned Syntax Transformation Model Guy Berthet, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Switzerland 5D.4 Improving End-to-End Throughput for Bulk Data Transfers Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Onur Altintas, Terumasa Aoki, University of Tokyo, Japan Panels ====== Wednesday, August 23 15:50 - 17:20 =================================== Panel 1 : What does Information Superhighway stand for in your mind? What is its impact on our society? Panel 2 : What are the real issues in current multimedia communications, QOS, Standardization or Services? Panel 3 : Security / Privacy vs. Accessibility in Information Networks. Panel 4 : Will personal/wireless communications dominate over the wire communications? Thursday, August 24 9:00 - 10:30 ================================= Session 6A Network Management 2 6A.1 Multimedia Communication Management Architecture for Information Highways Wonkyu Hong, Eunho Choi, Korea Telecom, Korea 6A.2 A Model for a Time Reference Network Management System Theodore K. Apostolopoulos, Victoria Daskalou, Athens University of Economics and Business, Greece 6A.3 A Group Communication Protocol for Distributed Network Management Systems Kwanghui Lee, Changwon National University, Korea 6A.4 Using BAN logic for the proof of Network Address Integrity Yuko Murayama, Hiroshima City University, Japan Session 6B Protocol Engineering 2 ---------------------- 6B.1 An Integrated Tool for LOTOS Development Ana Cavalli, Patrick Maigron, INT, Hacene Fouchal, Universite de Reims Champagne-Ardennes, France, Sungun Kim, Korea Telecom, Korea 6B.2 Design and Implementation of CFG generator for Estelle Specification Jaehong Park, Cheeha Kim, Jaiyong Lee, POSTECH, Yonsei Univsersity, Korea 6B.3 Specification and Verification, a Unified Approach Anthony Wiles, Anders Ekman, Telia Research AB, Sweden 6B.4 DQDB Networks with a Fast Global Information Scheme Hasein I. Sigiuk, B. H. Pardoe, University of Salford, United Kingdom Session 6C Computer Communication 3 ------------------------ 6C.1 Integrated Multilevel Secure System for Information Retrieval in Distributed Computer Systems Haklin Kimm, University of Tennessee, USA, Jaeyoung Rhi, Samsung Data Systems, Korea 6C.2 On the Use of a Stochastic Estimator Learning Algorithm to the ATM Routing Problem : A Methodology Athanasios V. Vasilakos, Hellenic Air Force Academy, Greece 6C.3 Design of High Performance OSI Software over ATM Network Toshihiko Kato, Toru Hasegawa, Akira Idoue, Kenji Suzuki, Yoshiyori Urano, KDD R&D Lab., Japan 6C.4 Modeling Optimal Overload Control in Distributed Control Systems Ulf Ahlfors, Christian Nyberg, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Session 6D Intelligent Network 2 --------------------- 6D.1 A New Traffic Regulation Scheme for SCP Jyhi-Kong Wey, Lir-Fang Sun, Ministry of Transportation and Communications, Wei-Pang Yang, National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan 6D.2 A Petri-Nets Based Approach for Detecting Feature Interactions in Telecommunications Services Junghun Choi, ETRI, Hyeonsoo Kim, Woojin Lee, Yongrae Kwon, KAIST, Korea 6D.3 Transient and Stationary Investigations of Overload Control in Intelligent Networks Maria Kihl, Christian Nyberg, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden 6D.4 An Implementation of VPN Service on the TDX-10 SSP Hyungik Kim, Seokhun Kim, Jeyseung Lee, Minyong Ahn, Korea Telecom, Korea Thursday, August 24 10:50 - 12:20 ================================== Session 7A Security and Privacy 2 ---------------------- 7A.1 Security for Local Area and Wide Area Networked Computer Communications Vijay Varadharajan, University of Western Sydney, Australia 7A.2 A Key Distribution and Authentication Method on the Q.931 Calling Sequence of ISDN Taekyoung Kwon, Jooseok Song, Yonsei University, Korea 7A.3 Reconfiguration for Service Growth and Self-healing in ATM Networks Based on Virtual Paths Tai H. Noh, AT&T Bell Lab.Dhadesugoor R. Vaman, Xuedao Gu, Stevens Institute of Technology, USA 7A.4 The Extended LFSRs and their Applications to the High Speed Data Protections Seungcheol Goh, Sangjin Lee, Seoungtaek Chee, Sangwoo Park, ETRI, Korea Session 7B Broadband Communication 2 ------------------------- 7B.1 Optimal Sequential Decoding Algorithm in the Land Mobile Fading Channel Jaechoong Han, Goldstar Co. Central Research Lab., Korea, Costas N. Georghiades, Texas A&M University, USA 7B.2 A Pre-negotiation Dynamic Bandwidth Management Algorithm for ATM Connectionless Service Hyunchul Cha, Kijun Han, Kyungpook National University, Korea 7B.3 QOS based Routing for High Speed Environment L. Franck, B. Sales, Brussels Universities, Belgium 7B.4 Service Multiplexing in an ATM Environment Paulo Monteiro, Augusto Casaca, Serafim Nunes, INESC, Portugal Session 7C Optical Communication & Forward Error Correction ------------------------------------------------ 7C.1 Architecture and Performance Evaluation of Future Photonic Networks Jan Spath, Ulrich Gremmelmaier, Uwe Briem, University of Stuttgart, Manfred N. Huber, Simens AG, Germany 7C.2 Limits to Optical Switch Matrices Set by Phase Noise from Semiconductor Optical Amplifiers Joao J. O. Pires, Instituto Superior Tecnico, Portugal 7C.3 Improved Algorithm of the Trace Computation on Trinomial Irreducible Polynomial for RS Code Changho Seo, Jongin Lim, Injeong Chung, Korea University, Korea 7C.4 Performance Analysis of DT-WDMA Protocol Hyun K. Kahng, Jooyoung Park, Korea University, Korea Session 7D Wireless Communication 2 ------------------------ 7D.1 A Design of a MAC Layer Protocol for CBR and VBR Data Transmission on a Single Channel in Wireless LANs P. Venkataram, S. R. Pawamana, Indian Institute of Science, India 7D.2 Performance Evaluation of Priority Packet Reservation Multiple Access and Adaptive Packet Reservation Multiple Access Wu Xiaowen, Huang Shunji, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China, China 7D.3 Performance of Code Tracking Loop for a Direct-Sequence Spread-Spectrum System in a Mobile Fading Channel Jinyoung Kim, Jaehong Lee, Seoul Natioanl University, Korea Invited Paper: Modern Digital Solutions for Wireless Local Loop Using CDMA Technology Dr. Peter E. Jackson, QUALCOMM, USA Thursday, August 24 14:00 - 15:30 ================================== Session 8A Highspeed Networks ------------------ 8A.1 On Merging and Splitting of Self-Similar Traffic in High Speed Networks Yanhe Fan, Nicolas D.Georganas, University of Ottawa, Canada 8A.2 Effective Priority Control and Addressing Scheme for High Speed Ring Network Sunmoo Kang, Byungchun Jeon, ETRI, Daeyoung Kim, Chungnam National University, Korea 8A.3 CapNet-Shared Memory Distributed Computing over Wide Area High Speed Networks Ming-Chit Tam, David J.Farber, University of Pennsylvania, U.S.A Invited Paper: Dr. Roger Needham, University of Cambridge United Kingdom Session 8B Broadband Communication 3 ------------------------- 8B.1 Fault-Tolerant ATM LAN/LAN Interworking Inter-LAN Connectionless Data Services E. T. Powner, A. Odeh, Y. Wang, University of Sussex, United Kingdom 8B.2 Simulation Study of CAP in High Bit Rate Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) Envirnment Ajit Reddy, Syed V. Ahamed, CUNY, U.S.A 8B.3 Towards Scalable Error Control for Reliable Multipoint Services in ATM Networks Georg Carle, University of Karlsruhe, Germany 8B.4 Relationships among Inter-Dependant Real-Time Streams Luca Delgrossi, Sibylle Schaller, Lars Wolf, IBM European Networking Center, Germany Session 8C ATM Traffic 2 ------------- 8C.1 The Use of Learning Algorithms in ATM Networks Call Admission Control Problem : A Methodology Athanasios V.Vasilakos, Hellenic Air Force Academy, Greece 8C.2 Characterizing Variation of Traffic Parameters in ATM Networks Using Neural Networks Ibrahim Khalil, Borhanuddin Mohd Ali, M.R.Mukerjee, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, Malaysia 8C.3 A Simple Dynamic Bandwidth Allocation Scheme for ATM Networks Han Zhou, C. H. Chang, Tufts University, USA, D. T. Han, Beijing Steel College, China 8C.4 Interoperability Study between EFCI & ER Switch Mechanisms for ABR Traffic in an ATM Network Yoon Chang, Nada Golmie, David Su, NIST, USA Session 8D Satellite Communication ----------------------- 8D.1 Object-Oriented B-ISDN Service Modeling Juhyun Ryu, Cheong Youn, Chungnam National University, Jaeil Jung, Jiyoung Kim,Korea Telecom Korea 8D.2 A Comparison of Satellite and Terrestrial Implementaions of the National Research and Education Network Junghwan Kim, R. M. Buehrer, Mark Keaton, Subash C. Kwatra, William Curry, University of Toledo, USA 8D.3 Multibeam-Switched Demand-Assigned Multiple Access for On Board the Satellite with Data Buffer Doug N. Kim, ETRI, Korea Invited Paper: Thursday, August 24 15:50 - 16:50 ================================== Session 9A Evolution toward the Highspeed Networks --------------------------------------- 9A.1 A Network Architecture for Multimedia Multiparty Services and the Impact on B-ISDN Control Evolution Luigi Ronchetti, Luca Cipriani, Stefano Salsano Ericsson Telecomunicazioni SpA, Italy 9A.2 Transition to High Speed Network-Super JANET Experience Kicheon Kim, Steven Simpson, David Hutchison Lancaster University, United Kingdom 9A.3 The Evolution of Packet Data Networks : The ATM Opportunity F. Perardi, F.Ferrero, CSELT, R. Pietroiusti, F. Cataldi, Telecom Italia, Italy Session 9B Distance Learning ----------------- 9B.1 An Internet Based Collaborative Distance Learning System : CODILESS Kazuo Watabe, University of Shizuoka, Japan, Matti Hamalainen, Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology, Finland, Andrew B. Whinston, University of Texas at Austin, USA 9B.2 Designing Mulitmedia Learning Environments for Anesthetic Methods in Medical Practice JuPn Nilsson, Lund University, Sweden 9B.3 Frame Rate Control in a Multimedia Distance Learning System Lj. Josifovski, S. Gievska, D. Davcev, St. Kiril & Metodij University, Skopje R. of Macedonia Session 9C Computer Communication 4 ------------------------ 9C.1 A Framework on the Design of Communication Gateways Zhong Ping Tao, University of Montreal, Canada 9C.2 A Delay Constrained Distributed Multicast Routing Algorithm Sunjoo Wi, Yanghee Choi, Seoul National University, Korea 9C.3 A Ring Network with Two Tokens Rashid Al-Naami, Doha, Qutar Session 9D Personal Communication Systems ------------------------------ 9D.1 Dynamic Channel Assignment Using Channel Interleaving in the One Dimensional Reuse Partitioning System Kwangmoon Cho, Taiyun Kim, Korea University, Korea 9D.2 SCAI: Integration of Computer and Telecommunications Switches in North American Intelligent Networks for Universal Personal Communications and Multimedia Communications Hazem El-Gendy, EPEC Inc., Canada 9D.3 Performance Analysis of Cellular Mobile Communications under Multipath Interference Jyh-Horng Wen, National Chung Cheng University, Taiwan *************** Social Events *************** Welcome Reception(Cocktail) ----------------------------- A welcome Cocktail Party will be held at p.m. 7 Monday evening, August 21 at Hotel Intercontinental. All conference attendees and spouses are invited. Dinner -------- A Hosted Dinner Party is also scheduled for Tuesday evening, August 22. The place for the party will be announced during the conference. All conference attendees and spouses are invited. Conference Banquet ------------------- Banquet will be held on Tuesday Evening, August 23 Hotel Intercontinental. You Can buy tickets when you register for ICCC'95 on site. Participants who register in advance can also get the tickets from the receptionists by showing the receipt of your pre-registration during the conference. The Banquet ticket is $50. Luncheon ---------- A Luncheon hosted by one of the major telecommunication company in Korea will be on 24th. The schedule is subject to change. The exact date and place for that will be posted during the conference. Industrial Tour ---------------- An industrial visit hosted by one or two of the leading Korean Industries is expected on 25th. after the conference. 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From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:52:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:52:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:52:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!nntp.gmd.de!nntp.darmstadt.gmd.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!uni-regensburg.de!pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de!Gerd.Boehm From: Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:24:52 Organization: Universitaet Regensburg Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> <3tbhuv$t7p@mailer.york.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chris elliott writes: >I have now looked in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip and >the version command still says 18 jan >Is this the correct place to look? For now not quite: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/msdos/msvibm.zip HTH, Gerd -- Gerd B"ohm | gerd.boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de Inst. f. Theor. Physik |_____ Uni Regensburg; Germany | _|__) ========================|__|__) ============================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 11:37:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:57:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:57:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!news From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching-Mo Chang) Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: "Archimedes L. Trajano"'s message of Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:44:18 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:37:03 GMT Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.91.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Archimedes" == Archimedes L Trajano writes: Archimedes> On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> First you would need a copy of OS/2 Japanese edition. >> Then we would need to rewrite C-Kermit to support DBCS. In >> other words, sorry, but you can't. Archimedes> Even if I have OS/2 (Japanese Edition)? I am runing C-Kermit for OS/2 (191) in the WARP T3.0 (Chinesse version) with no problems so far. Oh, you need to set term character transparent. -- Ching-Mo Chang From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 22:28:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:30:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:29:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: 5 Jul 1995 22:28:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated in several ways: . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. . New patch files have been issued. . A new font utility is now included. The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH files have been installed in all the regular places: kermit/archives/msvibm.zip The complete distribution, ZIP'd. kermit/a/msvibmzip.{uue,boo} Ditto, ZIP'd and {uuencoded,BOO'd} kermit/bin/msvibm.exe The IBM PC full-sized executable kermit/a/msr*.pch The patch files The new KERMIT.EXE is dated May 21 rather than January 18. The new patch level is 8 for the full version, 6 for the medium version, and 4 for Kermit Lite. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:45:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Jul 1995 02:34:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Jul 1995 02:33:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david From: David Woolley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:45:57 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu> Summary: Probably timeout. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: djwhome.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Your Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c > > The ^[[?63 etc text above is exactly as shown, that's a caret >(aka ESC [ c) terminal identification request from the host. The remote >software is mistakenly echoing the response More likely it timed out the response, because it wasn't written with long delay telnet connections in mind, and defaulted to VT 52. VT100 would be a better default these days. (I've never found terminal type sensing code very reliable.) -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 21:54:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:01:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:01:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!tera.com!tera.com!not-for-mail From: burton@Tera.COM (Burton Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Late lockup in terminal emulation Date: 30 Jun 1995 14:54:34 -0700 Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA Lines: 24 Sender: Burton.Smith@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tera.com Keywords: Compaq Aero 4/25, Megahertz XJ2288, Kermit 3.14, MS-DOS 6.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In moving Kermit to my new traveling machine and modem (see keywords above) I ran into a problem that didn't improve when I upgraded to Kermit 3.14. Screen output hangs up pretty unpredictably -- sometimes just after the CONNECT message from the modem but occasionally after I have supplied my user name and we are partway into the "Password:" prompt. What little text I see is perfect. Changing terminal emulation to VT102, ANSI, etc. doesn't help; neither does slower DTE speeds. There are probably a few flow control options I haven't yet tried :). The modem does not complain. Procomm (the old one) works fine, and so does Bitcom. The configuration looks OK except MSD shows 5 data bits for COMM2. IRQ, etc are vanilla. The PCMCIA tools give expected answers. If anyone is interested in helping me out, send me mail. I really need Kermit because it cleanly solves my "inverse telephone directory problem". I wrote macros that help me pulse dial out of a Paris hotel, then give AT&T USA Direct a tone phone number, and finally supply the appropriate credit card number tones at the bong. I nearly always call the same phone number -- it's the prefixes and suffixes that vary a lot. I expect to use Kermit under Linux also, once I lick this MS-DOS problem. Burton From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 7 04:34:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:46:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:46:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!hptemp1.cc.umr.edu!nexus From: mcastle@umr.edu (Mike Castle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 7 Jul 1995 04:34:59 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3tidhj$6kl@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-pkr-6-5.network.umr.edu Originator: nexus@ylum.mrc.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >local machine. It's not flow control, it's most likely a parity >problem. You will have to match parity with what the remote side >requires. If that's true, he may have a problem; certain 14.4 Sportsters have a problem connecting at 7E1 (need a chip upgrade). Of course, that's only an issue if you're trying to connect at 7E1. mrc -- Mike Castle .-=NEXUS=-. Life is like a clock: You can work constantly mcastle@cs.umr.edu and be right all the time, or not work at all mcastle@umr.edu and be right at least twice a day. -- mrc We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan. -- Watchmen From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 8 16:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:08:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:08:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Late lockup in terminal emulation Date: 8 Jul 1995 16:08:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3tmahn$pon@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Compaq Aero 4/25, Megahertz XJ2288, Kermit 3.14, MS-DOS 6.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com>, Burton Smith wrote: : In moving Kermit to my new traveling machine and modem (see keywords : above) I ran into a problem that didn't improve when I upgraded to : Kermit 3.14. Screen output hangs up pretty unpredictably -- sometimes : just after the CONNECT message from the modem but occasionally after I : have supplied my user name and we are partway into the "Password:" : prompt. : What little text I see is perfect. Changing terminal emulation : to VT102, ANSI, etc. doesn't help; neither does slower DTE speeds. : There are probably a few flow control options I haven't yet tried :). : That this would happen so early in a session probably means it is not a flow control problem, but you still might want to try telling Kermit to "set flow none" just to rule out flow-control deadlocks. Or, conversely, you might want to try using (if this is not what you are already doing) the TELEPCMC.SCR dialing script to set up Kermit *and* your modem optimally for flow control and all other pertinent parameters. This script should work for the Megahertz / Telepath Xjack PCMCIA modems. : The modem does not complain. Procomm (the old one) works fine, and : so does Bitcom. The configuration looks OK except MSD shows 5 data bits : for COMM2. IRQ, etc are vanilla. The PCMCIA tools give expected answers. : If using the aforementioned dialing script doesn't clear matters up for you, then all of this taken together would tend to point towards your system configuration; either an IRQ conflict (despite your sleuthing) or a memory management problem: . If you have told Kermit to "set terminal expanded-memory on" to make it use expanded memory for rollback buffers, and there are any problems with your memory layout, there is no end of bad things that can happen as a consequence. Try telling Kermit to "set term expanded off" and see if the problem goes away. . If you have an IRQ conflict, it would affect Kermit, but not other communications software that operates via polling rather than being interrupt-driven. If these suggestions don't help, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu with additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 8 01:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:05:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:05:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp!lobo From: lobo@konishiki.Stanford.EDU (Donald Lobo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.networking Subject: Reading data from a serial port Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 08 Jul 1995 01:49:19 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: lobo@yahoo.com Nntp-Posting-Host: konishiki.stanford.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3122 comp.os.linux.networking:12882 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi!! I'm getting data fed into a serial port (com2, cua1) from a satellite news feed receiver. The data is pretty much ascii text with a few control character to indicate various newsfeed specific features (urgency, distribution, etc), and also start and stop control characters etc. Rather than sit and write a program to do this, I was wondering whether I could use a communications program avalaible in the public domain. 1. Could I use kermit in receive mode to read the data from the serial port using the receive command, though the protocol is not kermit? Is there any way I could get kermit to take care of the data receiving part. 2. If not, are there any programs out there that I could use?? A quick reply is appreciated Thanx Lobo From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 9 16:55:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:55:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:55:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading data from a serial port Date: 9 Jul 1995 16:55:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3tp1lu$an6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Donald Lobo wrote: >I'm getting data fed into a serial port (com2, cua1) from a satellite news >feed receiver. The data is pretty much ascii text with a few control >character to indicate various newsfeed specific features (urgency, >distribution, etc), and also start and stop control characters etc. > >Rather than sit and write a program to do this, I was wondering >whether I could use a communications program avalaible in the public >domain. > Perhaps, or you could use Kermit, which is copyrighted and not in the public domain. >1. Could I use kermit in receive mode to read the data from the serial >port using the receive command, though the protocol is not kermit? Is >there any way I could get kermit to take care of the data receiving >part. > You did not say what operating system -- COM1 implies DOS, cua1 implies UNIX. It doesn't make much difference. MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows and C-Kermit for UNIX have approximately the same capabilities in this area. There are lots of ways to accomplish what you need to do. The simplest is simply "log session" while in CONNECT mode. This writes all the incoming bytes to the session log file. To stop it, you would have to "escape back" from CONNECT mode to the prompt and "close session". Thus, starting and stopping the capture is manual. You could also automate it by writing a script program in Kermit's script programming language to look for article delimiters and then direct each article to the desired file, opening and closing files automatically based on the data stream. If the "protocol" used by the news feed includes other types of information, like sequencing, checksums, etc, you can even use Kermit's string-processing and arithmetic functions to handle this. For details about Kermit software and documentation (you'll have to read the manual to learn how to write script programs), visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 9 18:03:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 14:03:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 14:03:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 9 Jul 1995 18:03:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 237 Message-Id: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3124 comp.dcom.modems:101472 [Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies in advance if it appears twice.] Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. For a dialing directory to be "portable", it should work no matter where you are calling from: the local calling area (a local call), a different calling area (a long-distance call), another country (an international call), etc, and from a phone that is directly on the telephone system as well as from a hotel room or office where you must dial a special code to get an "outside line", and also irrespective of your long-distance carrier (in countries like the USA, where you have a choice), and also whether or not you are billing the call to the calling phone or to a calling-card or credit-card number, all this independently of any particular features or limitations of the modem (e.g. maximum command or phone-number length) or the telephone system (e.g. availability of Touch Tone (tm) dialing). It seems to me that given the diverse formats for telephone numbers all over the world, the diversity of calling procedures (e.g. when using different long-distance dialing methods in the USA, such as "1" vs "10-xxx" vs "1-800-xxx-yyyy" and then answering a bunch of questions), that there is no way to have a dialing directory feature that is simple enough for most people to understand, at least not without building a gigantic knowledge base into the software that is guaranteed to be obsolete the moment the software is released due to the constantly changing telephony landscape, or else without launching a lengthy inquisition of the user each time a number is to be dialed. Here is what we have so far in the working copy of C-Kermit: 1. The DIAL command, e.g. "dial foo". If "foo" is found in the dialing directory, it is replaced by the associated number; otherwise it is dialed literally (a feature that allows the user to totally bypass the dialing directory). 2. The DIAL METHOD, Tone, pulse, or unspecified. Kermit uses its knowledge of the particular modem to dial using the specified method. Perfectly straightforward. 3. The DIAL PREFIX. This is used for specifying a code to be dialed in order to get an outside line, e.g. when dialing from a PBX or hotel room. In other words, this is a prefix to be ADDED to the beginning of the phone number that is extracted from the dialing directory. 4. The DIAL LOCAL-AREA-CODE. This is a prefix to be REMOVED from the beginning of a phone number from the dialing directory, if the number begins with this prefix. This lets you include area codes in all numbers and have them stripped automatically when it is a local call, but kept on when you are travelling and it is a long-distance call. (The DIAL PREFIX is added after this step, unconditionally.) Rationale: In the USA, at least, one normally may not dial a local call as if it were a long-distance call (doing so results in an error tone or message). Thus, the "country" and area codes (e.g. "1-212") must be stripped before dialing a number in the same area code, but must be included when dialing the same number from a different area code. But... In some area codes, such as Westchester Country in New York State, one may (must) use a short number (no "1" or area code) for calls in one's own town, but a long-distance form (1 914 xxx-xxxx) for calls in the same area code but outside of one's own town. Another difficulty we face is that to dial a long-distance number in the USA, we start with "1", but to dial the same number from outside the USA, we might have to dial (say) "001". Similarly, area codes in countries like Germany and England might start with "0", but when dialing them from the USA, leading zeroes must be omitted. (Perhaps this is just a different way of saying that the long-distance dialing prefix in Germany or England is "0"). Now, without redesigning Kermit's dialing directory to be some kind of WIN.INI- or NET.CFG-style monstrosity, or invent a programming language for writing dialing directories (since dialing is no longer simply the entry of a number, but a procedure that varies with the context), and without imbedding within the Kermit code any knowledge about any particular dialing system or telephone-number format (which, if it were done, would wind up favoring some countries or carriers over others), the question is: how much can we accomplish using Kermit's current dialing-directory format and dialing facilities? If a person always dials from the same place, then each number can be entered in the dialing directory in exactly the way the person dials it: local, long-distance, tie-line, internal PBX number, etc. That is what we had before, and it works for most people. But to meet the needs of those who travel around with their dialing directories, or for that matter to construct dialing directories which themselves are portable, e.g. to be shipped to people in diverse locations throughout the world, what is the least amount of complexity and "knowledge" we can get away with? Let's assume (and, in fact, recommend) that all entries in a portable dialing directory be in a uniform format: 1. Numbers within the country where one normally dials from are entered in the long-distance-dialing format for one's own country, and this applies also to numbers that are normally dialed locally, for example 1-212-765-4321 for a USA number dialed from within the USA. 2. Numbers outside the country from which one normally dials are entered prefixed by the code for international dialing, e.g. 011 in the USA, and then the country code, e.g. 49 for Germany. Now let's assume (this is entirely fictitious): 1. I work in Manhattan, New York City (USA), area "212". 2. I live in White Plains, New York State (USA), area "914". 3. I sometimes travel to Hannover, Germany, bringing a laptop. The object of the game is to have only one dialing directory that works in all situations. Let's assume my dialing directory is as follows. Please bear in mind that I don't understand non-North-American phone numbers very well, since as far as I can tell, and unlike North American phone numbers, most of them seem to have variable-length fields -- for example, in Germany, the area code for Frankfurt seems to be 69, for Hannover 511, and for Marburg 6421, and then length of the part after the area code seems to vary also. So here is the text of a short sample dialing directory (ignoring the other items a dialing directory might contain, because we are concentrating only on the phone numbers, and bearing in mind that a real dialing directory might be much longer, and might contain entries from many countries and areas within countries): OFFICE 1-212-765-4321 INTERNET 1-212-555-1234 HOME 1-914-987-6543 NYACK 1-914-876-5432 HANNOVER 011-49-511-54-32-1 HANNOVER2 011-49-511-65-43-2 MARBUG 011-49-6431-76-54-3 FRANKFURT 011-49-69-87-65-4 Given all this, then: 1. At work I "set dial local-area-code 1-212". This will strip "1-212" from any numbers in my dialing directory before dialing the phone. All other numbers are dialed exactly as they are recorded. Thus if I "dial internet" from my office, it is dialed as "555-1234", but if I "dial nyack", it is dialed as "1-914-876-5432", and if I "dial hannover" it is dialed as "011-49-511-54-32-1". 2. At home I "set dial local-area-code 1-914". This will strip "1-914" from any numbers in my dialing directory before dialing the phone. Thus if I "dial nyack", it is dialed as "876-5432", which, unfortunately, won't work, because Nyack is outside of the White Plains local calling area, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN THE SAME AREA CODE ( which means we need to incorporate the notion of a "local-area-code-stripping-override mechanism" of some sort on a per-call basis )-: 3. When in Hannover with my laptop, I "set dial local-area-code 011-49-511". This allows me to make local calls in Hannover; for example, to HANNOVER2. But now if I want to make a long-distance call within Germany, I must change to "set dial local-area-code 011-49" and I must also (I think) "set dial prefix 0", because when dialing long distance WITHIN Germany, the area code needs a single "0" on the front (right?). Now I can "dial marburg" or "dial frankfurt". But, if I want to "dial office" from Germany, then I must "set dial prefix 00" so that "1 212" will become "001 212" (assuming that is the way one dials the USA from Germany). 4. Paragraph (3) assumes I am in the branch office in Hannover, which is connected directly to the Bundesfernsprechersystem (???). But in the evening I go to my hotel, and from there I must dial "77" to get an outside line. In this case, all of paragraph (3) applies, except I must also "set dial prefix 77" for local calls, "set dial prefix 770" for long-distance calls within Germany, and "set dial prefix 7700" for international calls. Now all of this is quite complex already. Is there a chance in the world that anybody will remember these points or use these features? Is there any way to make them simpler? If so, it is not obvious to me. One idea that suggests itself is to separate the notions of: 1. Prefix for long distance calls within the country I am in. 2. Prefix for calling outside the country I am in. 3. The area code of the area I am in. 4. Country code of the country I am in. 5. Country code for dialing in to each country from outside. 6. Area codes within any given country. Each entry in a portable dialing directory would contain items 5 and 6, whereas the user would have to "set" items 1 through 4 in order to dial at all. Which does not strike me as a simplification. Now let's add to all this the complication arising when one has a choice among several long-distance carriers and/or billing methods. It seems to me that the entire notion of a dialing directory begins to break down, since there is no longer a standard format for a telephone number, nor a standard procedure for dialing it. In some cases, the procedure strains the capabilities of most modems and software -- for example, by engaging in a voice dialog in which one waits for a spoken question and then, only after the question has been asked, one enter a DTMF or other response. Unless I am mistaken (which is quite possible) there is no simple and portable abstraction for a complete calling sequence, which may consist of: . prefix to get an outside line (maybe) . dialing prefix (local, long-distance, international, tie-line, etc) . long-distance-carrier access code (or not) . credit- or calling-card account number (or not) . country code (or not) . area code (or not) . the phone number itself . who knows what else -- an extension, a call-processing dialog, etc. The order of these items might vary, the procedure for making the transition from one to the next might vary, and so on. And, obviously, sensitive items such as calling-card numbers must NOT be entered in the dialing directory, but must be indicated by placeholders to substituted (or not!) at dial-time. So... given all the above, what can reasonably be expected of a dialing directory, and what kinds of simplifying assumptions or techniques can we use not only to implement it, but to make it easy to understand and therefore to use? I'm looking for ideas, opinions, and detailed information about dialing methods used in all parts of the world. Any information you send will be much appreciated and, hopefully, will end up making life easier (or harder) for modem users everywhere (or nowhere). Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 01:13:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:24:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:24:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 01:13:18 GMT Message-Id: References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3125 comp.dcom.modems:101522 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >[Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies >in advance if it appears twice.] > >Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually >inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining >that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am >working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance >and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. Rather than reinvent the wheel, why not do a PD subset of Microsoft TAPI? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 12:26:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 10 Jul 1995 12:26:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3tr6a6$c9q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3126 comp.dcom.modems:101598 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually : >inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining : >that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am : >working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance : >and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. : : Rather than reinvent the wheel, why not do a PD subset of Microsoft TAPI? : Thanks, Chuck, that's one of the things we'll be looking at. I don't know that much about it yet, but "subset" seems to be the operative word since as far as I can tell, TAPI covers a lot more than making data calls with modems. It seems the hot item nowadays, and the one that is mentioned most often in connection with TAPI (and SOHO, whatever that is) is setting up of Windows-based "call centers" for voice calls. There's even a whole magazine devoted to this, called Computer Telephony. Also, I don't know yet whether TAPI addresses the questions I had about telephone-number formats in many countries, and I also don't know whether it allows for non-AT-command-set modems. But I'll do the research. Does anybody know if a TAPI description or specification is public and online somewhere, or must we send money to Uncle Bill? Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 7 22:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:59:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:59:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dns.crocker.com!usenet From: mlucia@crocker.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 ckermit PM version????? Date: 7 Jul 1995 22:26:57 GMT Organization: Crocker Communciations (crocker.com) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com> Reply-To: mlucia@crocker.com (Mark Lucia) Nntp-Posting-Host: iplink102.crocker.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thought I read 'somewhere' that a future release of ckermit to OS/2 would be a PM version of the product and would include 'cool' stuff like scroll bars etc. True or my imagination??? Thankx From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 21:04:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:34:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:34:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet From: caetta@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov (Jennifer Caetta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, SunOS 4.1.4, direct connection Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:04:06 -0700 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 89 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: biollante.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get two Sun Sparcstations to talk to each other over a direct serial line/null modem connection; I'm writing software which will use Kermit to talk to a piece of hardware which the second sun is imitating. My only problem is that I've done everything (I think *wry grin*) that the C-Kermit manual says (yes, I bought it), and I can't find a similar problem in the FAQ (If I just missed it, I apologize, but I *did* look...). Here's the settings of *both* sides of the sun: biollante:/home//caetta/mgs/kermit/biollante <38 > stty -a speed 9600 baud, 48 rows, 80 columns parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc -ixon ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^C ^\ ^S/^Q ^D And here's the kermit settings on *both* sides: C-Kermit>show comm Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/ttya, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: none Terminal bits: 7, parity: even, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: off, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..ttya Escape character: 28 (^\) Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: (none) Dial dial-command: (none) Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Carrier Detect (CD): Off Dataset Ready (DSR): Off Clear To Send (CTS): Off Ring Indicator (RI): Off Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On Request to Send (RTS): On I think I've done everything to tell the Sun (and C-Kermit) that this is a direct connection, with rts/cts flow control. I also actually *did* realize I had to switch the jumper inside the pizza box to make the sparcs use RS-232. However, this is the sending side: C-Kermit>send test.file ST%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%TE ?Too many retries. C-Kermit> And the receiving side (simultaneously): C-Kermit>receive TNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTE ?Sent too many NAKs. I'm perfectly willing to admit I know very little about using the direct serial/null modems between Suns (gee, I tend to use tcp/ip..*Grin*), so if it's an obvious answer, go ahead and tell me because it's not so obvious to me *smile*. Please send responses directly to me (caetta@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov). Thanks a bunch in advance for all your help!! -Jennifer Caetta -- --feeling like the Swedish Chef w/ a hangover.... From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 21:47:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:04:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:04:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: shell@mcs.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 10 Jul 1995 21:47:30 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> Reply-To: knewman@mcs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K. cKermit Gurus, I'm in big trouble. I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to telnet to a HP-9000/720 system in vt220 mode. I must use vt TE or hp TE for the particular application that I use on the HP9000. Everything was working just fine (using 5A(191)) until I upgraded the application on the 9000. Now everytime I try to use the function keys I get OP when I press F1,OS when I press F2,etc. How do I fix this problem?? What do I need to set (or reset) to make F1=PF1, etc.? Thanks, Kevin Newman knewman@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:11:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:11:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 ckermit PM version????? Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:11:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3tsc36$2d1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com>, wrote: : I thought I read 'somewhere' that a future release of ckermit to OS/2 : would be a PM version of the product and would include 'cool' stuff like : scroll bars etc. True or my imagination??? : True, but still in the future. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:20:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:20:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:20:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:20:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net>, wrote: >I'm in big trouble. I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to telnet to a >HP-9000/720 system in vt220 mode. I must use vt TE or hp TE for the >particular application that I use on the HP9000. Everything was working >just fine (using 5A(191)) until I upgraded the application on the 9000. >Now everytime I try to use the function keys I get OP when I press F1,OS >when I press F2,etc. How do I fix this problem?? What do I need to set >(or reset) to make F1=PF1, etc.? > It sounds like you need to reset your application. Since you didn't change anything in Kermit, it is sending what it was sending before, right? The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or (b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. VIEW the CKERMIT.INF file for details about the numeric keypad. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:39:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:39:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:39:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, SunOS 4.1.4, direct connection Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:39:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3tsdo3$41r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov>, Jennifer Caetta wrote: >I'm trying to get two Sun Sparcstations to talk to each other >over a direct serial line/null modem connection; I'm writing >software which will use Kermit to talk to a piece of hardware which >the second sun is imitating. > >My only problem is that I've done everything (I think *wry grin*) >that the C-Kermit manual says (yes, I bought it), and I can't find >a similar problem in the FAQ (If I just missed it, I apologize, but >I *did* look...). > Before proceeding... There are SO MANY things to rule out, that it's better to just start from scratch. . Are you really using a true null modem cable? . Did you tell BOTH C-Kermits to "set line /dev/ttya"? . Did you tell BOTH C-Kermits to "set speed 9600" and "set flow rts/cts"? . Are you sure? . Might there be a getty running on any of the ports involved? The best way to debug this type of connection is to put both Kermit programs in CONNECT mode and type stuff. Whatever you type on computer A should show up on computer B's screen, and vice versa. If not, then the most likely problems are listed above. RTS/CTS is not necessarily well implemented in all version of SunOS. Does "set flow none" make a difference? Once you get CONNECT mode working, file transfer should also work. If you have any more problems, send details to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 20:21:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:01:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:01:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:21:46 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 84 Message-Id: <3ts24q$t76@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3133 comp.dcom.modems:101675 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >For a dialing directory to be "portable", it should work no matter where >you are calling from: The free unix Hylafax software (sgi.com:/sgi/fax/) handles this with a "dialrules" file that consists of lists of regexp substitutions that are applied in order along with some simple variable expansions. Three separate sets are used to determine the actual number dialed by the modem, the "visible" representation as might be used on a cover page, and a canonical form used for logfile names. This is a bit cumbersome to set up, but it's the only thing I've seen that actually works. >3. The DIAL PREFIX. This is used for specifying a code to be dialed in > order to get an outside line, e.g. when dialing from a PBX or hotel room. > In other words, this is a prefix to be ADDED to the beginning of the > phone number that is extracted from the dialing directory. What if you are behind a PBX and send to another extension? The hylafax system can be tuned to recognize local extensions and dial them without adding the prefix, and still use the same logfile as it would if you dialed the number through an outside line. >If a person always dials from the same place, then each number can be >entered in the dialing directory in exactly the way the person dials it: >local, long-distance, tie-line, internal PBX number, etc. That is what we >had before, and it works for most people. If you define a standard PREFIX and AREA CODE to be assumed within the dialing directory, then you can recognize them and allow them to be used or omitted so people can use the number they would commonly dial from their office phone or not. >But to meet the needs of those who travel around with their dialing >directories, or for that matter to construct dialing directories which >themselves are portable, e.g. to be shipped to people in diverse locations >throughout the world, what is the least amount of complexity and >"knowledge" we can get away with? Then instead of changing the PREFIX and AREA CODE you have different on-the-road versions. You can undo the assumptions made at the office to construct a canonical form, then re-do the dialing procedure needed for the current location. Hylafax doesn't have a handy way to add variables without editing the dialrules file, but the processing could be done with the mechanism provided. >Now all of this is quite complex already. Is there a chance in the world >that anybody will remember these points or use these features? Is there any >way to make them simpler? If so, it is not obvious to me. It gets worse. We can prefix calls out of the PBX with #7nnn (where nnn is another extension) to internally bill the call to a different number which is extremely handy for shared modems on a computer. The regexp based substitutions let me recognize this as a special case and move it out of the way while performing the other steps. I'm not sure if anyone else is perverse enough to actually use rules like this, though. >One idea that suggests itself is to separate the notions of: > > 1. Prefix for long distance calls within the country I am in. > 2. Prefix for calling outside the country I am in. > 3. The area code of the area I am in. > 4. Country code of the country I am in. > 5. Country code for dialing in to each country from outside. > 6. Area codes within any given country. If you have to build any concepts in, it should cover how to build a canonical form out of any likely local representation, then how to dial the canonical form from any likely locality. That will ensure that you can use a canonical form (+country...) in the directories without any new problems. That means you need to recognize numbers with/without any combination of pbx-prefix, ld-prefix, country-code, and area code, removing the local versions, then putting back what you need for the canonical number. And this still leaves the problem of calling another extension on your PBX. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 02:28:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!gibbs!ronis From: ronis@gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca (David Ronis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tektronics Emulation & Flow Control Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:28:15 GMT Organization: McGill University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use kermit (MS-DOS version 3.14 Patch level 0) to connect to our Sun's at work through a 14.4 Sportster Modem. It works flawlessly for file transfers, and ascii (VT100, etc.) termial sessions. However, I have a program that switches kermit to Tektronics emulation and then tries to plot a graph. If the graph is small, all works as expected, but if the graph is complicated, then what invariably happens is that the first part comes out correctly, while the latter is all messed up. What appears to happen that part of the input stream is lost or corrupted. The line I use is clean, and file transfers usually happen with no retries. Is there something strange in the way kermit handles Xon/Xoff in Tektronics mode? Alternately is there something special I should be doing the stty on the Unix end? Any help would be appreciated. David Ronis From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:23:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:29:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:29:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: shell@mcs.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Jul 1995 04:23:32 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: shell@mcs.net Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >It sounds like you need to reset your application. Since you didn't >change anything in Kermit, it is sending what it was sending before, >right? > >The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad >in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or >(b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that >way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told >to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is >talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. > >VIEW the CKERMIT.INF file for details about the numeric keypad. a) Probably! b) How can I find out if it expects the keypad to be in numberic mode? When I do a show terminal at the kermit prompt the Keypad-mode is numeric. c) I set both the terminal and command bytesize to 8 bits. d) Not likely because this app turns the screen into a scrable game when when its confused about the terminal type. (I've done this by setting the term value to hp with a vt emulator.) Since kermit is sending the same codes before (working) and after (non working) the application update, I need to do something to overide the behavior of the app. Is there any way to modify the ckovtk2.ini file to send two escapes (instead of one) to temporarily fix my problem? Thanks, Kevin Newman knewman@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:54:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:24:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:24:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13 Expression Eval Fails In 3.14 Date: 11 Jul 1995 04:54:36 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following MSK 3.13 macro which iterates through a list of phone numbers, dialing each one in turn until it either gets a connection or fails to connect to any of the numbers, is failing when I try to run it under the May 21/95 patch level 8 version of MSK 3.14. COM MACRO TO MANAGE DIALING A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS. def TRY set count \v(argc),if count,- :NXT,clear both,hangup,assign _dialnum \%\v(count),dial,if succ end 0,if count go :NXT,- def \%z f where the macro would be invoked as try phoneno1 phoneno2 phoneno3 ... phoneno9 The problem seems to trace down to how the expression assign _dialnum \%\v(count) is evaluated. Formerly it would evaluate to the phone number associated with the argument being pointed to by "count" (don't believe the syntax was quite kosher according to the manual but it worked). Under 3.14 the best I can do is get the expression to evaluate to the symbolic arguments (\%9, \%8, etc) if I code the fragment as assign _dialnum \\\{37}\v(count) so it looks like 3.13 rescans and reduces the expression until there is nothing left to substitute while 3.14 just scans the expression once and quits. Can anyone tell me if the above expression is being evaluated properly for MSK 3.14, and if so, is there another way to rewrite the expression to produce the desired result? -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:34:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:34:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ttr3t$fkt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net>, wrote: : >The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad : >in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or : >(b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that : >way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told : >to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is : >talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. : : a) Probably! : b) How can I find out if it expects the keypad to be in numberic mode? : When I do a show terminal at the kermit prompt the Keypad-mode : is numeric. : You can't tell by looking. Tell Kermit to "set term keypad application" and see if the PF keys suddenly start to work. : c) I set both the terminal and command bytesize to 8 bits. : d) Not likely because this app turns the screen into a scrable game when : when its confused about the terminal type. (I've done this by : setting the term value to hp with a vt emulator.) : : Since kermit is sending the same codes before (working) and after (non : working) the application update, I need to do something to overide the : behavior of the app. Is there any way to modify the ckovtk2.ini file to : send two escapes (instead of one) to temporarily fix my problem? : I would be surprised if this fixed it, but it's worth a try: set key \315 \27\KPF1 This assigns to the PC's F1 key (\315) the sequence Escape (\27) and then the \KPF1 verb, whose action depends on the terminal keypad mode. You might want to check other apps on your system. Do the same function keys still work with them? (Maybe when installing the new HP app, the termcap/terminfo database was changed.) Also be sure to use SHOW KEY in Kermit to make sure that you have not inadvertantly changed your key definitions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:36:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:15:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:15:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!news.nlr.nl!mvdberg From: mvdberg@nlr.nl (berg m. van den) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:36:47 GMT Organization: The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3ttr8v$aci@nlrgup.nlr.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: uxmain_fddi.nlr.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I'm using ckermit5A(190) on a unix system. This system also has rz for zmodem protocol. According to file ckurzsz.ini it is possible to use that program. So I "take" this ini file before connecting to the BBS. On the BBS I give the command to download a file with the ZMODEM protocol (this BBS doesn't support kermit). After starting the transfer I return to the local kermit and enter the rz command. This is what happens: C-Kermit>rz rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program Incoming: flora.zip 88599 5377444470 100400 Receiving flora.zip BIN w 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Bad CRC 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long C-Kermit> You see nothing is to be transferred. What is wrong ? What kind of configuration should I use? BTW. I connect to this BBS via telnet to an outcall modem connected at a cisco 500-cs. Greetings, Meindert van den Berg. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 01:17:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:56:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:56:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronics Emulation & Flow Control Message-Id: <1995Jul11.071715.55790@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 07:17:15 MDT References: <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, ronis@gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca (David Ronis) writes: > I use kermit (MS-DOS version 3.14 Patch level 0) to connect to > our Sun's at work through a 14.4 Sportster Modem. It works > flawlessly for file transfers, and ascii (VT100, etc.) termial sessions. > > However, I have a program that switches kermit to Tektronics emulation > and then tries to plot a graph. If the graph is small, all works as > expected, but if the graph is complicated, then what invariably > happens is that the first part comes out correctly, while the latter > is all messed up. What appears to happen that part of the input stream > is lost or corrupted. The line I use is clean, and file transfers > usually happen with no retries. > > Is there something strange in the way kermit handles Xon/Xoff in Tektronics > mode? Alternately is there something special I should be doing the stty > on the Unix end? ------------ Flow control in Kermit is independent of Tek mode. It may well be that your host echos received XON/XOFF flow control bytes and that would certainly mess up the works. In addition, if you use only end to end flow control the comms line equipment can drain its buffer capacity without being blocked, and that's not good. Please use point to point flow control, and the best of these is RTS/CTS hardware flow control between your PC and modem. Recall that the remote host must be flow controlled too, somehow. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 01:26:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:57:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:57:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13 Expression Eval Fails In 3.14 Message-Id: <1995Jul11.072608.55791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 07:26:08 MDT References: <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>, dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) writes: > The following MSK 3.13 macro which iterates through a list of > phone numbers, dialing each one in turn until it either gets a > connection or fails to connect to any of the numbers, is failing > when I try to run it under the May 21/95 patch level 8 version of > MSK 3.14. > > COM MACRO TO MANAGE DIALING A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS. > def TRY set count \v(argc),if count,- > :NXT,clear both,hangup,assign _dialnum \%\v(count),dial,if succ end 0,if count go :NXT,- ^^^^---------- Nope. The name of the label is NXT, not :NXT. > def \%z f > > where the macro would be invoked as > > try phoneno1 phoneno2 phoneno3 ... phoneno9 > > The problem seems to trace down to how the expression > > assign _dialnum \%\v(count) > > is evaluated. Formerly it would evaluate to the phone number > associated with the argument being pointed to by "count" (don't > believe the syntax was quite kosher according to the manual but > it worked). Under 3.14 the best I can do is get the expression > to evaluate to the symbolic arguments (\%9, \%8, etc) if I code > the fragment as > > assign _dialnum \\\{37}\v(count) > > so it looks like 3.13 rescans and reduces the expression until > there is nothing left to substitute while 3.14 just scans the > expression once and quits. There is different parser logic in MSK 3.14. As you have noted, it does depth first recursion but it no longer backs up to reparse the whole command line every time. I suggest you deal with explicit strings if possible, rather than \% substitution variables. Amongst other aspects \% become command line arguments when invoking other macros. Then use string concatenation to form the target phone number string. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 14:00:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:38:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:00:08 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone tell me why? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 14:55:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:59:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:59:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in ODI Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:55:58 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs2.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the other differences in the file because I expected differences between the sample file and my own. I got everything to work when I added the Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II lines to the NET.CFG file. The setup file talks about not mixing up IP and IPX, but I took this as a general warning to pay attention, not a notice to add the protocol lines from the sample. -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 02:40:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:07:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:07:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS TCP/IP to Linux Message-Id: <1995Jul11.084001.55801@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 08:40:01 MDT References: <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net>, "Corey A. Johnson" writes: > Okay, I am about to lose my mind... I am not very experienced with > TCP/IP (as you are about to determine) and I seem to be having problems > doing the simplest things... Sympathy. I'm very experienced in some things and still have trouble with the simple parts now and then. Something about being too obvious to see. > My goal is to be able to telnet from my DOS PC to my Linux system via > an ethernet LAN using 3COM 509 NICs. I configured TCP/IP on Linux and it > *seems* to be working correct... (how can I be sure?) I don't get any > errors at boot... The IP addresses I used should be fine, because it is > only the two systems on the net... I am not 100% sure about the hosts > files and such... but I went through them all and they *seem* correct... > But when I try to telnet from MS-Kermit on my DOS PC, I get the messages > about Host must be down, and unable to resolve host name... Maybe > MS-Kermit isn't configured correctly... Guess: you are refering to hosts by NAME rather than IP NUMBER, and you have no Domain Name Server facility on the net to translate between them. MS-DOS Kermit uses no "hosts" file; it does use DNS facilities. If you are totally isolated from the IP world then you can run "named" on the Linux box to perform DNS. Otherwise use the nameservers provided by your Internet connection agency. Finally, recall that MS-DOS Kermit (and C Kermit) have nifty string stubsititution variables and macros so that you can say FOO at the command prompt and have macro FOO hold Set Port TCP 111.222.123.212, Connect or whatever. That does the IP stuff by number yet saves you typing. It's in the manual. > I am using ODI drivers, is this the best method? I am not using any > other protocol, just IP, ARP and RARP... to start the protocols I have a > batch file: > > lsl.com > 3C5X9.com > ipxodi.com > > My net.cfg file is: > The two lines below are unnecessary. BIND is an abiguity resolver and there are no alternatives below to choose amongst. > protocol KERMIT > bind 3C5X9 > > Link Support > Buffers 6 1600 > > Link Driver 3C5X9 > INT 10 > PORT 300 > FRAME Ethernet_II > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II Looks fine. > I do not IPX/SPX, just the above protocols... but when ipxodi is > executed, it says that protocol 8137 (ipx/spx) is bound to the NIC... > shouldn't that be IP (0800) instead? What am I doing wrong? Am i going > about this the wrong way? Should I use some other method instead of ODI? IPXODI is Novell's IPX protocol stack. It uses IPX packets (how could we tell?) and not IP. Thus the protocol number of 8137 is proper. IPXODI isn't needed unless you wish to use IPX packets. And yes, ODI is a good choice for a board handler. Keep in mind that some builds of Linux have reported ARP cache problems. I don't run Linux so I cannot provide details. But keep an eye peeled. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:15:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:15:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!Pulsar.Tach.Net!news From: "Corey A. Johnson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS TCP/IP to Linux Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:38:53 GMT Organization: Mercedes Homes, INC. Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercedes.surf.tach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I am about to lose my mind... I am not very experienced with TCP/IP (as you are about to determine) and I seem to be having problems doing the simplest things... My goal is to be able to telnet from my DOS PC to my Linux system via an ethernet LAN using 3COM 509 NICs. I configured TCP/IP on Linux and it *seems* to be working correct... (how can I be sure?) I don't get any errors at boot... The IP addresses I used should be fine, because it is only the two systems on the net... I am not 100% sure about the hosts files and such... but I went through them all and they *seem* correct... But when I try to telnet from MS-Kermit on my DOS PC, I get the messages about Host must be down, and unable to resolve host name... Maybe MS-Kermit isn't configured correctly... I am using ODI drivers, is this the best method? I am not using any other protocol, just IP, ARP and RARP... to start the protocols I have a batch file: lsl.com 3C5X9.com ipxodi.com My net.cfg file is: protocol KERMIT bind 3C5X9 Link Support Buffers 6 1600 Link Driver 3C5X9 INT 10 PORT 300 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II I do not IPX/SPX, just the above protocols... but when ipxodi is executed, it says that protocol 8137 (ipx/spx) is bound to the NIC... shouldn't that be IP (0800) instead? What am I doing wrong? Am i going about this the wrong way? Should I use some other method instead of ODI? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... Dazed and Confused Corey From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 15:24:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:45:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:45:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT 3.14 and TCP/IP stacks from IBM Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:24:29 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. Specifically, I am interested in the following: 1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? 2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. 3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit included in WARP CONNECT ? Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. I tried 3), but had the following errors: -- unknown address for port, assuming \x03F8 -- unknown packet driver, assuming BIOS1. What do these messages mean ? If 1-3 all fail, there is another possibility: 4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 and OS/2 2.1. 5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? Part of the reason I can't figure this out is the fact the manuals that come with WARP really suck. TCP/IP 2.0 had very good documentation (in book manager format), but there is hardly any documentation with WARP CONNECT (in hardcopy or softcopy format). Do I have to buy the softdocs for WARP CONNECT separately ? ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 15:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:54:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:54:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men wrote: : I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet : host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable : to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file : to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone : tell me why? : Please read the network setup instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. If you have done that and still have problems, then ask again with more specifics as to whether you are running in DOS or Windows, which kind of network board driver you are running and how it was invoked, what kind of network you are on, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 16:38:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:55:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:54:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.lth.se!neptunus-1!d93ak From: d93ak@efd.lth.se (Anders Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is FOOBAR Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:38:41 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 3 Sender: d93ak%neptunus-1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Anders Karlsson) Message-Id: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: neptunus-1.efd.lth.se Nntp-Posting-User: d93ak Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? Thanks Anders Karlsson From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:11:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:49:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:49:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:11:34 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) >stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed >with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then >pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality >permitted in net.cfg. > Joe D. Is there an example for how to use a third-party TCP/IP stack (for example from IBM)? The only third-party stack mentioned is from FTP Inc, and that needs an extra switch. Is there an (undocumented) switch for the IBM TCP/IP stack? ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:58:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:58:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:58:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:58:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3tuhku$g8f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se>, Anders Karlsson wrote: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? > I don't think this is an error message from a Kermit program (is it?). It means Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition (or worse :-). The "U" was changed to "OO" for some reason that is, no doubt, explained someplace like The Hackers Dictionary. Its origins are, I believe, among World War II American or British soldiers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 03:36:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:57:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:57:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Message-Id: <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 09:36:33 MDT References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com>, duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) writes: > I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet > host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable > to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file > to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone > tell me why? ------------ Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality permitted in net.cfg. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 20:43:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:43:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:43:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:43:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36098 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3151 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems >that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but >there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I >don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, >I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. > >Specifically, I am interested in the following: > >1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? > Only if it provides an Int 14 or BAPI style redirector. >2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows > access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. > Maybe if you boot DOS from a floppy in a DOS window of OS/2. Otherwise probably not. And it would only work through a redirector. >3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit > included in WARP CONNECT ? > Like (2). >Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I >am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons >why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take >a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. > So I take it you need Tek emulation, or else Chinese DOS. There have been mixed reports, by the way, about OS/2 C-Kermit and DBCS. If that's your requirement, you might be able to get by with "set term bytesize 8" and "set term char transparent", assuming you have a Chinese code page loaded. Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the > IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 > and OS/2 2.1. > Maybe. Give it a try. >5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? > >Part of the reason I can't figure this out is the fact the manuals that >come with WARP really suck. TCP/IP 2.0 had very good documentation (in >book manager format), but there is hardly any documentation with WARP >CONNECT (in hardcopy or softcopy format). Do I have to buy the softdocs for >WARP CONNECT separately ? > Dunno. The only report I have had of making TELNET connections from OS/2 using MS-DOS Kermit involve using the DOS window as if it really were DOS -- running the packet driver, and then Kermit over it. This almost certainly means that you would have to shut down IBM TCP/IP and all other OS/2 networking. But I can't swear to it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:56:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT 3.14 and TCP/IP stacks from IBM Message-Id: <1995Jul11.105643.55821@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 10:56:43 MDT References: <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: > I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems > that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but > there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I > don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, > I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. > > Specifically, I am interested in the following: > > 1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? Not directly, for two reasons. 1. IBM's stack is for OS/2 protected mode programs only (we presume that's the stack you are using), and that has nothing to do with real mode DOS work. 2. One does not "just use" an external protocol stack because such items require (by their design) proprietary interfacing procedures to be built into the application. MS-DOS Kermit can't use such methods. > 2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows > access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. MS-DOS Kermit has its own internal TCP/IP stack which works rather well. But that is for a real mode environment, not within another o/s. The answer is no. > 3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit > included in WARP CONNECT ? See above. No. > Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I > am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons > why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take > a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. > > I tried 3), but had the following errors: > -- unknown address for port, assuming \x03F8 > -- unknown packet driver, assuming BIOS1. > What do these messages mean ? It means you tried to access the serial port and OS/2 denied access to the port. Please see your OS/2 documentation about revealing serial ports to DOS applications. > If 1-3 all fail, there is another possibility: > > 4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the > IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 > and OS/2 2.1. Worth a try. Since you have the material you get to find the answer. SET PORT BIOS1 is the command to give to MSK. > 5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? Dunno. I don't have Warp; I have only v2.1. If you have Warp then you also have the answer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:47:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:14:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Message-Id: <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 10:47:55 MDT References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) writes: > After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I > couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: > The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do > was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using > different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the > other differences in the file because I expected differences between the > sample file and my own. I got everything to work when I added the > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II > lines to the NET.CFG file. The setup file talks about not mixing up IP > and IPX, but I took this as a general warning to pay attention, not a > notice to add the protocol lines from the sample. ------------ How many ways does one need to say "pay attention, follow the rules, don't be creative here"? The examples are there for very good reasons and are usable. Glad you succeeded, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:09:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:13:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:13:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:09:24 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3tueok$o4d@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Please read the network setup instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. > >If you have done that and still have problems, then ask again with more >specifics as to whether you are running in DOS or Windows, which kind of >network board driver you are running and how it was invoked, what kind of >network you are on, etc. > >- Frank I am not the original poster, but I HAVE read SETUP.DOC carefully. Unfortunately, I could not find any information how to use some of the third-party TCP/IP stacks (such as the one from IBM). I I am not using ODI. Instead, I want to use the IBM stack. Can I do this ? If so, where is this documented? The online docs for KERMIT only talk about how to communicate with IBM mainframes. They don't seem to say anything about IBM TCP/IP stacks. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 12 03:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:54:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:54:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit - remote query bug? Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:24:55 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). Once connected I put the remote kermit (i.e. on the Sun) into server mode then escape back (Alt-X) to my local kermit prompt. I then proceed with the following dialog... [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote assign \%a foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a Message: foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display quiet [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display regular [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> It seems that remote query doesn't work if set display quiet is in effect. Has anybody else seen this? Is this a feature or a bug or have I been working too long on this? Any and all help on this matter greatly appreciated! Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 09:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:16:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:16:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Message-Id: <1995Jul11.150836.55845@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 15:08:36 MDT References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: > In <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) >>stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed >>with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then >>pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality >>permitted in net.cfg. >> Joe D. > > Is there an example for how to use a third-party TCP/IP stack (for example > from IBM)? The only third-party stack mentioned is from FTP Inc, and that > needs an extra switch. Is there an (undocumented) switch for the IBM > TCP/IP stack? -------------------- Ok, let's try this again. There are, I believe, two (2) IBM TCP/IP stacks: for OS/2 and for DOS, or in other words protected mode and real mode. Protected mode clients stand a chance of using the protected mode stack, if built right, but not the real mode one. And similarly, real mode clients stand a chance of using the real mode stack, if built right, but not the other one. End of part one. Begin part two, "if built right." These stacks, and similarly for almost all commerical stacks, do not provide an Int 14h interface or similar by themselves. They have a proprietary set of calls (and usually an interrupt) which joins them with matching library modules built into the client application. The library is also proprietary. The client/lib to/from stack transfer mechanism is proprietary. The top end of the library usually provides a BSD sockets interface for the client software. That software must be linked (.obj modules, Link command) with the library to be a functional executable. Now for the discussion and conclusions section, long. MS-DOS Kermit cannot be built holding commercial/proprietary libraries, and it cannot shield vendors from exposing all source code involved. MS-DOS Kermit is a real mode program, with Windows/DV/OS2 smarts but not dependent on them. It is not a protected mode program, to restate the obvious. MS-DOS Kermit works well with FTP Inc's DOS TCP/IP offerings, because we want it to be so. But that means we go through the FTP TNGLASS Int 14h module provided by FTP, even though I have their library material (complements of FTP Inc, with much thanks by the way). MSK works with Novell's LWP/DOS stack, by design, ditto. And with Beame and Whiteside's TCP/IP suite, by design, and ditto. These are all DOS/real mode stacks. Each involves a vendor provided interface module which is publically documented and requires no vendor modules within Kermit. B&W has a full function suite available via an interrupt which MSK uses. It's not that we (Kermit) are being picky, but we are dependent on contributions to make progress with commercial offerings (else out of my personal pocket). The above vendors have been most generous with assistance. We cannot make the Kermit code dependent on anyone's commercial material, both because folks need to be able to build or redistribute Kermit without third party copyright/license restrictions and their libraries, and because we (Kermit) cannot protect proprietary material from public view in the distribution products. That means we can't do some nifty things with these nice TCP suites, but that's the way it is right now. But we do work with them in other ways, and their customers are the beneficiaries (which is the whole idea). MS-DOS Kermit works with other protocol stacks via public interface mechanisms: DECnet's CTERM and LAT, Novell's NASI/NACS, Meridian Technology's SuperLAT, Interconnections TES, variations on NetBIOS, etc. If your (IBM or whatever) TCP/IP stack provides a real mode Int 14h or similar interface module then MSK should work with it out of the box. If it does not then sys$error:does_not_work. I hope this clarifies the situation a little. What do I use with OS/2? Good question. Answer: a second Ethernet adapter, ODI or Packet Driver (depending on what kind of testing I'm doing), and MSK in a DOS window. I also use C Kermit for OS/2, and IBM's own TCP/IP material (stack and applications taken as a whole). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 23:54:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:00:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!slip94 From: jcarroll@hk.super.net (John Carroll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Read function Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 23:54:15 GMT Organization: Hong Kong SuperNET Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip94.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request SLIP access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be nice if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with FTP, etc. But I can't seem to get to Kermit to store an incoming value - I can only read it and test it (the modem's "OK" for instance). PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 10:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:40:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:40:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!jaring.my!news.dnv.po.my!not-for-mail From: cshoo@dnv.po.my (Hoo Chee Sian) Subject: Thrown out when running MS-Kermit 3.14 in WfWg 3.11 Message-Id: <7c7cb$122815.379@news.dnv.po.my> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:40:21 GMT Organization: DNV Industry Sdn Bhd X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use MSK 3.14 to make TCP/IP connection from Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I've tried to follow the installation instruction given in the network setup documentation but when trying to make the TCP/IP connection, the PC hanged for a while before throwing me out straight to DOS. Any clue of what is happening? Thanks in advance for any help! From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 14:06:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:07:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:06:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Read function Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:06:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3u0ktg$ef5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net>, John Carroll wrote: > Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an > incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. > Yes. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has a set of string manipulation functions that, with some ingenuity, might be used for this: \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc. > I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request SLIP > access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be nice > if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with > FTP, etc. > All you need is the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which shows you how to write script programs, supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD file, which explains the new string functions and related variables. You'll also find an explanation of the same string functions in "Using C-Kermit". Hints: After you tell the terminal server to enter SLIP mode, enter a loop in which you INPUT a line at a time: :LOOP clear input input 5 \10 At this point, you have a line of output in the \v(input) variable. Now you are ready to parse the IP address or other needed information. If you find it, exit the loop, otherwise go back and repeat. Programming 101. > PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 13:15:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:31:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:31:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.panix.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!Pulsar.Tach.Net!news From: "Corey A. Johnson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS to Linux - TCP/IP problems... Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:15:03 GMT Organization: Mercedes Homes, INC. Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3u0hsn$882@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercedes.surf.tach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay... I give up... I am beat... (not really, or I wouldn't be posting, just real close )... Just a recap, in case of some new readers: I am trying to connect my DOS PC to a linux box via TCP/IP with MS-Kermit... My network card is a 3COM 509 UTP... I am loading just the following network drivers in my autoexec.bat: (i commented out my other network stuff to keep it simple, when I get this working I will try them both simultaneously) C:\MSKERMIT\3C5X9PD 0x61 0x10 0x300 pause C:\MSKERMIT\WINPKT 0x61 pause The drivers load without any errors... My mscustom.ini file has the following entries for tcp/ip: (the only systems I am interested in are my pc and the linux box. I am not concerned at this time with connecting to the internet or other pc on our LAN) SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 199.0.9.219 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; My physical network's subnet mask ; SET TCP/IP DOMAIN my_pc ; My PC's fully qualified domain name ; SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 199.0.9.218 ; My network gateway's IP address ; SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.2 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 199.0.9.255 ; My network's broadcast address SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER \x61 SET PORT TCP/IP 199.0.9.218 ; The IP address of the Linux Box CONNECT When I start Kermit, i get the following errors: Resolving address of host 199.0.9.218 Unable to ARP resolve 199.0.9.218 Unable to connect to host The host may be down or a gateway may be needed With the above drivers loaded in my autoexec.bat, i can connect to the Linux box via Trumpet Winsock in Windows and Telnet into the host, so why can't I in DOS with MS-Kermit? I also tried the lsl/3c5x9/ipxodi approach, with this net.cfg file: Protocol KERMIT bind 3C5X9 Link Support Buffers 6 1600 Link Driver 3C5X9 INT 10 PORT 300 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II And I received the same messages in Kermit as annotated above. Please, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Dazed and Confused, Corey... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 20:08:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:35:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:35:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!stan From: stan@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Stan Horwitz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:08:13 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There are 4 different choices when setting the file type under Kermit-CMS 4.3.0 XA. They're: text, binary, d-binary, and v-binary. I know what the text and the binary settings do, but what are the d-binary and v-binary settings for? The documentation doesn't explain this. What's the difference between the three different binary settings? Thanks -- My name is Stan Horwitz and my E-mail address is stan@astro.ocis.temple.edu My opinions are all mine. They do not reflect those of my employer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 14:53:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:53:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:53:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:53:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3u0nm0$ia5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Stan Horwitz wrote: >There are 4 different choices when setting the file type under Kermit-CMS >4.3.0 XA. They're: text, binary, d-binary, and v-binary. I know what the >text and the binary settings do, but what are the d-binary and v-binary >settings for? The documentation doesn't explain this. What's the difference >between the three different binary settings? > From the manual, IKCKER.DOC: SET FILE TYPE Syntax: SET FILE TYPE type Specifies the type of data comprising files to be sent or received. This setting may be temporarily superseded by the Attribute packets for a file being received. (TEXT, BINARY, blah blah...) V-BINARY Specifies varying-length-record binary data. This type is like BINARY, except that a two-byte binary prefix is added to each outgoing record giving the number of data bytes, and incoming records are set off by (and stripped of) their prefixes on receipt. D-BINARY Is like V-BINARY except that the length prefixes are five-byte ASCII-encoded decimal (right-justified with leading zeroes). These types allow CMS variable-length records in binary files (e.g. program modules) to be preserved when sending to non-CMS systems and then back again. Otherwise the record boundaries would be lost. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 13:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:12:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:12:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!news.sccsi.com!nuchat!cadserv1!hoang1 From: hoang1@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com (Ted Hoang) Subject: AIX kermit:/etc/locks/LCK..tty? Organization: Tedix: A Linux fan Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:02:18 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a problem with kermit (IBM/AIX 3.2.5), kermit never remove locked file: /etc/locks/LCK..tty? after exit. Do I miss anything when compile this software. Thanks in advance, Ted -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Hoang http://tedix.sccsi.com Email:hoang1@tedix.sccsi.com Tedix - Unix Consultants Tel:(713)686-8557 Email:thoang@simsci.com Simulation Sciences Inc. Tel:(713)683-1710 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:36:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit - remote query bug? Message-Id: <1995Jul12.083612.55906@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:36:12 MDT References: <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com>, davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: > I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun > (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). Once connected I put > the remote kermit (i.e. on the Sun) into server mode then escape back > (Alt-X) to my local kermit prompt. I then proceed with the following > dialog... > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote assign \%a foo > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a > Message: foo > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > foo > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display quiet > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > Setting the display to quiet suppresses display of responses from the remote host. The command works, but Kermit has discarded the output (part of nothing to show). Hence \v(query) is also empty. Only another REM QUERY can fill up \v(query) again. The reasons for all this are rather technical in that retaining the response of a command to a server normally isn't done (memory consumption problems) so we have to play some games to see if a buffer is still valid and if so stuff it into \v(query). Display regular/quiet comes into the act half way through the Rem Query part and there isn't anything in a buffer to use as \v(query). Joe D. > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display regular > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> > > It seems that remote query doesn't work if set display quiet is in > effect. Has anybody else seen this? Is this a feature or a bug or have > I been working too long on this? > > Any and all help on this matter greatly appreciated! > Dave > > David MacMahon > davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:39:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Read function Message-Id: <1995Jul12.083947.55907@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:39:47 MDT References: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net>, jcarroll@hk.super.net (John Carroll) writes: > Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an > incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. > I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request > SLIP access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be > nice if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with > FTP, etc. > But I can't seem to get to Kermit to store an incoming value - I can > only read it and test it (the modem's "OK" for instance). > PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? ----------- Please check the user's manual and distribution docs. Variable \v(input) holds the most recent "line" from the INPUT and REINPUT commands. We provide extensive parsing tools via the \f functions to chop and dice that line to fit your situation, but you have to write the instructions. Once you have picked out the interesting piece then it's easy to WRITE FILE. MSK does not provide FTP. FTP interfaces tend to run about 80KB in size and that's a rather large lump of material to put into the program. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:46:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Message-Id: <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:46:23 MDT References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: > I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun > (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). On the remote side > (i.e. the Sun) I "take" the following command file... > > open write kermit.log > apc assign \\%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) > apc server > remote query user \%a > write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} > remote assign \%b \\fsize(kermit.exe) > remote query user \%b > write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} > finish > close write > > It produces the following kermit.log file... > > Size of kermit.exe is 230400 > Size of kermit.exe is \fsize(kermit.exe) APC can execute commands via the MSK command line parser. It's a big deal to accomplish that. REM QUERY cannot. It can find the contents of a table entry, such as the \%b item above, but it cannot execute the command parser. Functions \fblah() are recognized only by the command parser. > The first line is the result from the apc assign and remote query. This > is the result I want to obtain. The only problem is that if I want to do > this for a number of files I have to go in and out of server mode a > number of times or do all of my apc assign's beforehand. Another > problem is that I would like to have the PC run KERLITE.EXE which has no > terminal emulator and therefore can't take apc commands at all! > > Is there a way to get remote assign to behave like apc assign? I have > tried 'remote kermit assign \\%c \\fsize(kermit.exe)', but that doesn't Nope. See above on the command parser (a very big deal actually). Have you considered a DIR filespec command? Joe D. > seem to work at all. In fact, I must misunderstand remote kermit > altogether because I can't figure out what it does or how it's used. I > have the C-Kermit manual (but not the MS-DOS manual), which briefly > explains the remote kermit command on page 146, but I still don't get > it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit into server mode it doesn't > appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! > > Any and help on this matter greatly appreciated! > Dave > > David MacMahon > davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 17:56:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:56:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:56:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 12 Jul 1995 17:56:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3u12c0$2oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu>, : In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, : davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: : ... I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure : out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not : the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on : page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit : into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! : That's correct. C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit both include the client end of "remote kermit" but not the server end. Kermit-370 for IBM mainframes implements the server end. So, at present, this command is useful only when MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit is the client and Kermit-370 is the server. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 17:46:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:02:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:02:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: phone# for Columbia Kermit distribution; Online kermit protocol ?? Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:46:20 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 10 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Two quick questions: 1. Does any one know the phone# contact for Kermit distribution at Columbia Univ. I want to request tech. and user manual for Kermit protocols. 2. Is there any online Kermit protocol documentation and user guide ? Thanks much. Atiq From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 12 03:09:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:51:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:09:40 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). On the remote side (i.e. the Sun) I "take" the following command file... open write kermit.log apc assign \\%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) apc server remote query user \%a write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} remote assign \%b \\fsize(kermit.exe) remote query user \%b write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} finish close write It produces the following kermit.log file... Size of kermit.exe is 230400 Size of kermit.exe is \fsize(kermit.exe) The first line is the result from the apc assign and remote query. This is the result I want to obtain. The only problem is that if I want to do this for a number of files I have to go in and out of server mode a number of times or do all of my apc assign's beforehand. Another problem is that I would like to have the PC run KERLITE.EXE which has no terminal emulator and therefore can't take apc commands at all! Is there a way to get remote assign to behave like apc assign? I have tried 'remote kermit assign \\%c \\fsize(kermit.exe)', but that doesn't seem to work at all. In fact, I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! Any and help on this matter greatly appreciated! Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 03:21:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:07:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!wink.io.org!jverne From: jverne@wink.io.org (J. D. Verne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RPI modem scripts Date: 12 Jul 1995 03:21:44 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: wink.io.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a 'name-brand' thanks. -- J. D. Verne From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 21:49:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:32:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:32:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:49:05 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u1g0h$lb8@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se>, Anders Karlsson wrote: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? If Kermit is giving you a FOOBAR error message, you may wish to take the following steps: 1-Download F-Prot 2.18a from any larger FTP site. One is ftp://oak.oakland.edu/simtel/msdos/virus/fp-218a.zip 2-Extract and run. 3-If nothing unusual is found, remove all TSRs, reboot your computer, reload Kermit, and try to reproduce the error. If you can, post here with details. Just an idea. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 21:58:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:55:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:55:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:58:37 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3u1gid$lca@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: [in reply to an earlier post of my own RE: the MS-Kermit \NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC] > How many ways does one need to say "pay attention, follow the >rules, don't be creative here"? The examples are there for very good >reasons and are usable. Well, the file doesn't say to add any lines to your own NET.CFG file that are unique to the sample file. Heck, some of the lines in the sample NET.CFG might bring down the network connection on my machine. Advice is given on carefully modifying the NET.CFG, but there is little hint of what MUST be added. After reading the setup file the first time, I thought that the only change I might want to make would be the optional bind to a specific card, which was a moot issue since I only have one card. So, I made no changes to the NET.CFG, and nothing worked. Everything else that runs on that machine uses the IPX protocol for the Ethernet packets, and I had no reason to assume that Kermit was an exception. I assumed that the other Protocol lines were for different applications. -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 22:25:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:49:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:49:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:25:57 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3u1i5l$pca@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> <3u12c0$2oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu>, >: In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, >: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: >: ... I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure >: out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not >: the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on >: page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit >: into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! >: >That's correct. C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit both include the client end >of "remote kermit" but not the server end. Kermit-370 for IBM mainframes >implements the server end. So, at present, this command is useful only >when MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit is the client and Kermit-370 is the server. On C-Kermit, "show server" does not show remote kermit at all (nor can I enable/disable it). On MS-DOS Kermit, "show server" shows KERMIT and I can enable/disable it. When it is disabled, the MS-DOS Kermit server gives a "command disabled" error when I attemp to perform a remote kermit command. When it is enabled, MS-DOS kermit "misbehaves". If I take the command file shown below on the remote C-Kermit with MSK's remote kermit disabled, I get a "command disabled" error and MSK returns to connect mode after the finish command. If I take the same command file with MSK's remote kermit enabled, I get no error message and MSK returns to the Kermit prompt (instead of connect mode) after the finish command. Is this simply because MS-DOS Kermit doesn't have remote kermit properly "stubbed out"? If so, should I put "disable kermit" in my mscustom.ini file to prevent this misbehaving? Commnd file... -------------------------------------------- apc server remote kermit set \%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) finish -------------------------------------------- Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 23:52:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:09:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:09:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:52:11 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36207 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3175 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. >>4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the >> IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 >> and OS/2 2.1. >Maybe. Give it a try. OK. So I tried. Thanks to the guy who told me how. (It is not documented in WARP CONNECT): The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use it by typing COMTCP host kermit.exe with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. I have to close the DOS box. I tried a variety of different things, but without success. The location changes. The register contents are not reproducible. (If they were, I could post them here.) Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. Question: Is this something that can be fixed by changing KERMIT or does it require changes in the TCP/IP code from Raleigh. The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 00:45:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:45:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:45:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Date: 13 Jul 1995 00:45:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3u1qaq$2cf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, J. D. Verne wrote: >In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the >Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not >kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S >regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? > >I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want >hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a >'name-brand' thanks. > You're joking, right? To run an RPI modem with EC and DC, you need to implement -- i.e. write code for -- all of V.42 (LAPM) and V.42bis (LZW compression). It's not merely a matter of setting an S-register. There *is* NO error correction or data compression in the modem to enable. Return it, get your money back, and if you think the marketing or packaging was deceptive, let somebody know about it. Read the last month's worth of comp.dcom.modems postings -- everything with RPI in the subject -- for lots more info on the subject. Or -- only if you are using MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 3.1 -- you can TRY to get the (maybe) newly-released WINRPI COMM.DRV replacement from your modem vendor (not from Rockwell). Maybe it will work with Kermit, maybe it won't. We have not yet had any reports about this. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 00:58:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:58:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:58:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 00:58:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3u1r48$31u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36215 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3177 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: : In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. : I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to : my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to : happen. : Of course. And we'd have it for you now if we had been able to find the time to do it. It's on the list. : Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. : Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, : MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. : Since we control both programs, there is not much chance of that. : For both reasons, I would : like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. : Nobody said you shouldn't :-) : OK. So I tried [to run MSK thru IBM TCP/IP Int 14 redirector]. Thanks to the : guy who told me how. (It is not documented in WARP CONNECT): : : The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called : COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use : it by typing : COMTCP host kermit.exe : with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. : This is a shot in the dark, but what happens if you do it like this: COMTCP host kermit.exe set port bios1, stay : Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or : less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not : supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. : If there is a case where 3.13 works and 3.14 doesn't, then by all means use 3.13 and let us know the details as best you can. We like people to use the current version because it's hard to support multiple versions. If there's something wrong with the current version, we'll fix it. : The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the : TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the : INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. : I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do : anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. : Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. : : Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the : DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can : you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? : : I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. : What can I say? We're all overworked and frazzled. This is kind of a "niche" request, and we try to spend our time where it will do the most good for the most people, but find it increasingly harder to please anyone. Thanks to the Internet (which used to be a kind of "developers exchange", but now has become a giant feeding trough) (sorry), the demands on our time are exploding and the income that we might have used to pay more hands is evaporating. If we find the time, we'll give it a shot and report back. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 01:47:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Message-Id: <1995Jul12.074758.55903@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 07:47:58 MDT References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, jverne@wink.io.org (J. D. Verne) writes: > In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the > Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not > kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S > regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? > > I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want > hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a > 'name-brand' thanks. ----------- Bury the poor thing. Kermit provides no RPI support. Such support is proprietary to Rockwell and they will not make public any details. Further, the only V.42/V.42 bis helper they have issued is software for Windows-only. The modem itself is incapable of error correction and of compression. You thus have a low grade modem, and at today's prices you would do far better for barely a few more dollars/lira/pounds. Shop carefully, and inform your colleagues when they purchase modems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 03:53:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:53:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:53:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:53:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36238 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to >my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to >happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. >Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, >MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would >like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals. >The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the >TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the >INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. >I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do >anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. >Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. > >Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the >DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can >you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? I can tell you that it does not work with 3.14 nor has it worked with any version of MS-DOS Kermit that I have had in the last two years. The only solution you have is to spend $45 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. >I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. You ask no more than anyone else, you just want software that works. All we ask is that you purchase the manual. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 02:50:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:58:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:58:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Date: 13 Jul 1995 02:50:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3u21lm$6ob@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu William C Beegle (wcbst4+@pitt.edu) wrote: : After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I : couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: : The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do : was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using : different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the Like you, I found myself unable to run MSKermit 3.14 without an odipkt.com, and not the one from the MSKermit package. After your note on the net, I went back and added a couple of lines to my net.cfg, and now it works. It is hard to know which pieces need to be added. The sample net.cfg certainly contains lines that don't apply to me. The lines below are the simplest form that works for me, running Netware 3.11, netx as delivered with my Xircom parallel port adapter, and Netware configured as some non-TCP administrator saw fit. The Xircom book explains that 802.2 is the default. Ours is 802.3, and the book suggests that the "Frame Ethernet_802.3" line is necessary, so my net.cfg used to just be the first two lines. JoeD suggested a line of Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II, which should probably have been left out. The spec for IPX is a separate topic from Kermit and TCP, and in my case is contrary to the default. My system defaults to "ID 0" without the line, "ID 8137" with the line, and of course, in my case, I am running IPX on 802.3, not _II. With the "8137" line, I could no longer find a server for netx. Now, with multiple sessions, and Wyse (yech!) emulation that I need for one package, I can finally throw away the NVT/INT14/ProcommPlus for Windows junk that I've had to live with, and use MSKermit again, like I have for years. My initial tests show >25K per second transfer on my parallel port adapter. My last goal for today, as the sun sets outside my window, would be to use MSKermit as a "proxy" to transfer between two TCP hosts that are otherwise not on speaking terms, or directly from TCPhost to RS232host. Link Driver pe3odi FRAME Ethernet_802.3 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II JoeD: Back off from this newsgroup a bit. I couldn't believe it when you guys fired up this newsgroup, there is just so much volume out there (the feeding trough, as you call it). Left a post stew for a day or two. Someone will post an answer ;-) Almost all of us are friends of Kermit. I'd hate to see you burn out trying to sell someone who isn't. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 07:14:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:15:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:14:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!not-for-mail From: gentzel@telerama.lm.com (David Gentzel) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:14:01 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3u2h3p$pgr@epicycle.lm.com> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 13 Jul 1995 03:53:03 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36251 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3181 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >The only solution you have is to spend $45 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO >Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. Minor correction. The 4 port SIO (all that most folks should need) is $25. $45 is the price for the 6 port version. -- Dave Gentzel gentzel@telerama.lm.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 06:06:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:18:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:18:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:06:51 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95193.100651HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 References: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu V-binary and D-binary(decimal binary) do the same thing, namely allow CMS dependent varying length records ("undefined" length variable length records - e.g., * MODULE files) to be downloaded to DOS and later uploaded and recovered exactly. The actual CMS lrecls are written in the front of each record. For d-binary you can even edit the DOS file and "see" these record lengths. This recording of actual LRECL is necessary (for MODULEs for example) because these CMS files ARE varying length, but do not have block and segment control fields are part of the record like RECFM=V varying length data files do. That is, these are really RECFM=U (Undefined) records. Kermit-CMS reads such undefined length records from a CMS file and temporarily creates a length field in binary (v-binary) or decimal(d-binary) and prepends this to the records on download and strips it on upload while simultaneously re-writing undefined length records back to CMS exactly as they existed at download time. Neat isn't it:-) Thanks to Columbia U. and John Chandler, (co)author of Kermit-CMS. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 07:53:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:07:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:07:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!BIX.com!agurski From: agurski@BIX.com (agurski on BIX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 13 Jul 95 07:53:09 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 79 Message-Id: References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: bix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu d93ak@efd.lth.se (Anders Karlsson) writes: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? >Thanks Anders Karlsson ---------------------- The following is from the jargon file. It is also available in print as "The New Hacker's Dictionary", edited by Eric Raymond, ISBN 0-262-68069-6. :foo: /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of {metasyntactic variable}s used in syntax examples. See also {bar}, {baz}, {qux}, {quux}, {corge}, {grault}, {garply}, {waldo}, {fred}, {plugh}, {xyzzy}, {thud}. The etymology of hackish 'foo' is obscure. When used in connection with 'bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army slang acronym FUBAR ('Fucked Up Beyond All Repair'), later bowdlerized to {foobar}. (See also {FUBAR}). However, the use of the word 'foo' itself has more complicated antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons. The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often included the word 'FOO', in particular on license plates of cars; allegedly, 'FOO' and 'BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's "Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "The Daffy Doc", a very early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive affirmative use of foo. It has been suggested that this might be related to the Chinese word 'fu' (sometimes transliterated 'foo'), which can mean "happiness" when spoken with the proper tone (the lion-dog guardians flanking the steps of many Chinese restaurants are properly called "fu dogs"). Paul Dickson's excellent book "Words" (Dell, 1982, ISBN 0-440-52260-7) traces "Foo" to an unspecified British naval magazine in 1946, quoting as follows: "Mr. Foo is a mysterious Second World War product, gifted with bitter omniscience and sarcasm." Earlier versions of this entry suggested the possibility that hacker usage actually sprang from "FOO, Lampoons and Parody", the title of a comic book first issued in September 1958, a joint project of Charles and Robert Crumb. Though Robert Crumb (then in his mid-teens) later became one of the most important and influential artists in underground comics, this venture was hardly a success; indeed, the brothers later burned most of the existing copies in disgust. The title FOO was featured in large letters on the front cover. However, very few copies of this comic actually circulated, and students of Crumb's 'oeuvre' have established that this title was a reference to the earlier Smokey Stover comics. An old-time member reports that in the 1959 "Dictionary of the TMRC Language", compiled at {TMRC} there was an entry that went something like this: FOO: The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE PADME HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters turning. For more about the legendary foo counters, see {TMRC}. Almost the entire staff of what became the MIT AI LAB was involved with TMRC, and probably picked the word up there. Very probably, hackish 'foo' had no single origin and derives through all these channels from Yiddish 'feh' and/or English 'fooey'. :foobar: n. Another common {metasyntactic variable}; see {foo}. Hackers do *not* generally use this to mean {FUBAR} in either the slang or jargon sense. :FUBAR: n. The Failed UniBus Address Register in a VAX. A good example of how jargon can occasionally be snuck past the {suit}s; see {foobar}, and {foo} for a fuller etymology. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 10:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 06:25:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 06:25:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sniff.shr.dec.com!usenet From: preilly@shr.dec.com (Paul Reilly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mapping keys with C-Kermit/xterm Date: 13 Jul 1995 10:13:41 GMT Organization: StorageWorks Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rndsqr.shr.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to use the Alt keys on an IBM PC-AT keyboard with the `set key' command to make life with Emacs over an async TTY connection bearable? I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190) on an alpha-dec-osf32 system. kermit is invoked from an xterm. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 12:30:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:30:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: AIX kermit:/etc/locks/LCK..tty? Date: 13 Jul 1995 12:30:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3u33kk$bbu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Hoang wrote: > I have a problem with kermit (IBM/AIX 3.2.5), kermit never remove locked > file: /etc/locks/LCK..tty? after exit. Do I miss anything when compile this > software. > It would help if you said how you compiled it? Which makefile entry did you use? Unfortunately, I don't have access to an AIX 3.2.5 (or any other version) system that has a dialout device, so I can't test or debug this. Please do this and send me the results: 1. Before starting Kermit: ls -l /etc/locks/ 2. Start Kermit, "set line /dev/ttyxxx" (replace xxx by the real tty designation) 3. At the Kermit prompt: "!ls -l /etc/locks/" 4. Exit from Kermit, repeat step 1. If you can do the same thing with cu or tip, that would be a big help. I have hard rumors that I can't confirm that AIX 3.x creates *two* lock files instead of one. If that is true, then performing the above steps with cu should reveal the truth, and then Kermit can be adjusted to do the same. I have no doubt that all of this changed completely in AIX 4.x. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 12:43:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:43:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mapping keys with C-Kermit/xterm Date: 13 Jul 1995 12:43:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3u34d5$bve@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Paul Reilly wrote: >Is there a way to use the Alt keys on an IBM PC-AT keyboard with the >`set key' command to make life with Emacs over an async TTY connection >bearable? I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190) on an alpha-dec-osf32 system. >kermit is invoked from an xterm. > And the Alpha has a PC/AT-style keyboard? Or you are logged in to the Alpha from an actual PC running MS-DOS Kermit? It's not clear from your message. In the former case, please visit this topic in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html In the latter, you can use the EMACS.INI file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 11:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:47:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ukma!omega!marks From: marks%omega@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mark A. Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: remote print esc seq? Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:54:41 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: omega.kcr.uky.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would anyone know what the escape sequence is that you can send to ms-kermit enabling and disabling remote printing? (not echoing to the screen). Thank you. Mark marks@delos.kcr.uky.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 14:16:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:32:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote print esc seq? Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:16:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <3u39rv$hul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu>, Mark A. Schneider wrote: >Would anyone know what the escape sequence is that you >can send to ms-kermit enabling and disabling remote >printing? (not echoing to the screen). > The answer is in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", please purchase it: ESC [ 5 i - Start transparent print ESC [ 4 i - Stop transparent print ESC [ ? 1 i - Print line containing cursor ESC [ ? 5 i - Echo subsequent screen lines to printer ESC [ ? 4 i - Stop echoing screen lines to printer Look in the UTILS subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette for UNIX and VMS utilities that can be used to send files to your PC's printer via transparent print. The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $35.95. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 09:51:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:01:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:01:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: phone# for Columbia Kermit distribution; Online kermit protocol ?? Message-Id: <1995Jul12.155135.55978@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 15:51:35 MDT References: <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: > Hi All, > > Two quick questions: > 1. Does any one know the phone# contact for Kermit distribution at Columbia > Univ. I want to request tech. and user manual for Kermit protocols. 1-212-854-3703 or 1-800-366-2665 It's in the HELP command display. > 2. Is there any online Kermit protocol documentation and user guide ? > Thanks much. The full protocol specification at the time of writing is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, details from Columbia. Further enhancments are on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit. User's manuals are the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit", details of which are also in the HELP command and from Columbia Univ. Frank will chime in with more details if you cannot reach him by phone. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 18:15:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:05:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:05:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 dies with INT 14h interceptor, 3.13 works Date: 13 Jul 1995 18:15:55 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is just a short note to confirm what I had said earlier: MS-Kermit 3.13 works with the COMTCP program included in WARP CONNECT. (COMTCP is a INT 14h interceptor). However, MS-KERMIT dies when I do a SHOW COMM. The location and register information occurring when the KERMIT dies seem to be random, but I can send some samples on request. MS-KERMIT 3.14, on the other hand, does not work with COMTCP. Has it been tested with other INT14h interceptors ? If the developers are interested, I will try to work with you, if this is a KERMIT problem that you intend to fix. (Of course, it could also be a bug/feature of the OS/2 COMTCP program which cannot be fixed without intervention by IBM.) ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 17:41:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:24:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:24:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Send Packet too long? Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:41:16 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've gotten an error that is really strange... I've got MS Kermit 3.14 sending to CMS on an IBM mainframe. When I set the Send Packet length to 64, I get "Send Packet too long" about half way thru the file. If i set the packet length to 2000, it uploads fine. Any ideas? John Price -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds U.S.S. Atlantis NCC-1786 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 13:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: 13 Jul 1995 13:15:49 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? here's my .INI file set receive pack 2000 set send pack 2000 set block 3 set control unprefixed all set control prefixed 0 1 3 set wind 4 In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 thanks Eoin From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 01:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:58:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:58:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Kermit file transfer has slowed! Date: 13 Jul 1995 20:15:40 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running ckermit for OS/2 5A(191) on my PC under OS/2 WARP; my internet provider has HP9000's and is running ckermit 5A(190). I connect to my provider via com2 and a Practical Peripherals PM144MTII. For some reason that I have not been able to determine, my kermit file transfer rate has dropped from near 1600 cps to 1300 cps. I've noticed that I am frequently using sliding windows; when my kermit file transfer was working well, I rarely used more than one window. When using sz and rz (the p programs on OS/2) the file transfer rate still remains near 1600 cps. I've tried just about everything I can think of, packet size, control prefixes, window size, buffer size, but I can't resolve the problem. The only changes I've made recently were to upgrade to WARP and to ckermit OS/2 5A(191) (from 190). If anyone has any insight into this problem, I'd be very grateful. Thanks!! -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 23:45:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:45:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:45:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-66-26.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:11:10 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-66-26.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) writes: >Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? >here's my .INI file >set receive pack 2000 >set send pack 2000 >set block 3 >set control unprefixed all >set control prefixed 0 1 3 >set wind 4 >In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. >My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS >PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 You don't mention the type of connection you are using (TCP, DECNet, Terminal Server, Direct connect, etc). There may be some problems on sending so many unprefixed characters. This is left as an exercise for the reader as every site is different. When sending to a VAX, I have to set my send packet size to 250 and windows to 4. Otherwise, the VMS input buffer overflows and the transfer fails. >thanks You're welcome. JamesS >Eoin From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 13:26:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:00:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:00:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 13:26:49 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36350 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3195 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals I am not sure I agree. Over the years, I have seen four different flavors of the Tektronix emulation: 1) The original VT100 graphics terminal with the Retrographics enhancement card. 2) The HIREZ graphics terminal (forgot the company, but we had tons of those). 3) The VT330 terminal. 4) An IBM PC with Kermit. All of these use a different method (escape sequence) to switch between graphics and text. Some of them (the VT330) clear the screen when switching and are therefore useless to me. Since all four are different, my VAX programs have an input parameter which tells the program the type of terminal. Therefore, I am not sure why say that there is a standard, if the VT100 and VT330 behave in a different way. Everytime we bought a new VAX terminal from DEC, we had to study the manuals and change our code. Graphics input (cursor position) is yet another story. We never got it to work with the VT330, only on (some, but not all of) the Retrographics. >I can tell you that it does not work with 3.14 nor has it worked with >any version of MS-DOS Kermit that I have had in the last two years. >The only solution you have is to spend $25 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO >Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. I don't mind spending $25 or less per machine, but I still have not figured out how to use KERMIT with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. The Kermit manuals mention Fossil generically, but not specifically. Therefore, I could not see how to set up SIO.SYS to invoke Kermit over the internet. I also looked at the SIO driver documentation. There is a note in the current version saying that the documentation in the current version (1.50) is incomplete. Maybe what I am looking for is not included in the current version. I loaded SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, and DX00.SYS in my CONFIG.STS file. The latter two take no parameters, therefore there is no problem. But what do I specify for SIO.SYS. COM1 and COM2 are standard and need no parameters. I know from reading the docs for VMODEM that there are some switches that reroute a virtual COM port through the internet, but these switches are not documented in SIOUSER.TXT or SIOREF.TXT. In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 06:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:15:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:15:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 14 Jul 1995 06:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3u521j$s3d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36351 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3196 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >In <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >>Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals > >I am not sure I agree. Over the years, I have seen four different flavors >of the Tektronix emulation: 1) The original VT100 graphics terminal with >the Retrographics enhancement card. 2) The HIREZ graphics terminal (forgot >the company, but we had tons of those). 3) The VT330 terminal. 4) An IBM >PC with Kermit. MS-dOS Kermit emulates a VT-320 terminal. Therefore, it uses the escape sequences defined for the Vt-320 when in Vt-320 mode. C-Kermit for OS/2 will also emulate a Vt-320 and will use the exact same escape sequences. >I don't mind spending $25 or less per machine, but I still have not figured >out how to use KERMIT with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. The Kermit manuals >mention Fossil generically, but not specifically. Therefore, I could not >see how to set up SIO.SYS to invoke Kermit over the internet. > >I also looked at the SIO driver documentation. There is a note in the >current version saying that the documentation in the current version (1.50) >is incomplete. Maybe what I am looking for is not included in the current >version. > >I loaded SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, and DX00.SYS in my CONFIG.STS file. The latter >two take no parameters, therefore there is no problem. But what do I >specify for SIO.SYS. COM1 and COM2 are standard and need no parameters. >I know from reading the docs for VMODEM that there are some switches that >reroute a virtual COM port through the internet, but these switches are >not documented in SIOUSER.TXT or SIOREF.TXT. You are looking for a file called VMODEM.DOC. This contains the info you need to setup a Virtual Comm Port which maps to a telnet connection. >In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, >and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how >to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to >call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. Its not Kermit's job to describe how to use a shareware utility on OS/2. Kermit docs describe how to use a fossil interface. By loading X00.SYS in your OS/2 config.sys file SIO provides a fossil interface to each defined COM port. Use SET PORT FOSSIL in Kermit. Here are my lines from my config.ys file: DEVICE=G:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1) (COM2) (COM3,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3) DEVICE=G:\SIO\VSIO.SYS DEVICE=G:\SIO\VX00.SYS You also need to make sure that VMODEM.EXE is running. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:17:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:17:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:17:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:17:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3u5qof$ar@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : : Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? : : here's my .INI file : set receive pack 2000 : set send pack 2000 <--- (not needed, see the manual) : set block 3 : set control unprefixed all <--- *** : set control prefixed 0 1 3 <--- *** : set wind 4 : : In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. : My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS : PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 : The obvious question is, what happens if you remove the commands marked by ***? If that makes it work, then clearly you have unprefixed too many control characters. Read the appropriate section of CKCKER.UPD or KERMIT.UPD about this. If that's not it, then worry about such things as flow control and the VMS configuration. For the former, see the manual; for the latter, read the CKVINS.DOC file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:22:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:22:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:22:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:22:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: >I've gotten an error that is really strange... > >I've got MS Kermit 3.14 sending to CMS on an IBM mainframe. When I set >the Send Packet length to 64, I get "Send Packet too long" about half way >thru the file. If i set the packet length to 2000, it uploads fine. > Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. >Any ideas? > Patient: "It hurts when I do this." Doctor: "Don't do that". But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:29:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:29:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:29:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 dies with INT 14h interceptor, 3.13 works Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:29:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3u5rf7$159@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: : MS-Kermit 3.13 works with the COMTCP program included in WARP CONNECT. : (COMTCP is a INT 14h interceptor). However, MS-KERMIT dies when I do a SHOW : COMM. The location and register information occurring when the KERMIT : dies seem to be random, but I can send some samples on request. : : MS-KERMIT 3.14, on the other hand, does not work with COMTCP. Has it been : tested with other INT14h interceptors ? : Of course it has. It works with numerous Int 14 interceptors, but obviously it has not been tested with every version of every Int 14 interceptor under every version of DOS with every type of network board with every external TCP/IP stack. Not to mention under DOS emulators or virtual DOS sessions under other operating systems. We're not Microsoft! Joe had an excellent suggestion: for about $70, you can buy a second Ethernet board for use in your DOS session. That should hold you over until such time as we have a native OS/2 Tek emulator. Then you can move the board to another PC, sell it, whatever. As I said, we'll keep an eye open for a solution to this problem, but we have numerous priorities that are higher. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 04:26:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:32:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:32:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!hookup!noc.tor.hookup.net!news From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 14 Jul 1995 04:26:18 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3u4rla$e2v@noc.tor.hookup.net> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36405 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3200 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, >and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how >to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to >call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. Treat the two independently. Set up SIO under OS2, making sure to load the vmodem driver (I believe the latest version can use the TELNET protocol). Then simply run kermit and send the following characters to the virtual modem: ATD internet_address (ie. "ATD ftp.microsoft.com") Brian From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 16:38:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:49:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:49:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:38:11 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, : John Price wrote: : Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not : the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, : which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. : >Any ideas? : Patient: "It hurts when I do this." : Doctor: "Don't do that". : But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide : lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits : between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? : - Frank Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears to be where it's getting hung up. I will try reseting the receive length on the VM side... The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), but not at 64.... I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. Thanx for the help. John Price -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds U.S.S. Atlantis NCC-1786 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 16:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:37:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:37:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:54:06 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3u67ff$l8g@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Price (jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu) wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, : : John Price wrote: : : Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not : : the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, : : which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. : : >Any ideas? : : Patient: "It hurts when I do this." : : Doctor: "Don't do that". : : But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide : : lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits : : between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? : : - Frank : Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways : -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, : the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. : The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked : again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a : packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears : to be where it's getting hung up. : I will try reseting the receive length on the VM side... : The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I : can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), : but not at 64.... : I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. : Thanx for the help. : John Price Update: I just double checked it with the receive packet set to 64 on the VM side, and it makes no difference. The MS Kermit *still* tries to send a packet of length 65. Thanx John : -- : Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: : I'm not, and I don't. : --- --- --- --- : Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds : U.S.S. Atlantis : NCC-1786 -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- "Quick, Chandler, Say something funny! " -- Friends (the world's best *No Liner* goes to chandler) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 16:02:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:02:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:02:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 15 Jul 1995 16:02:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3u8oq2$1s4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : [ what kind of connection to IBM mainframe? ... ] : : Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways : -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, : the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. : You should be aware that Cisco's tn3270 versions prior to 10.3 do not allow Kermit file transfers in any straightforward way. In some cases, packets might have to be extremely short -- 40 characters or less. : The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked : again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a : packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears : to be where it's getting hung up. : : The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I : can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), : but not at 64.... : So evidently we have some kind of off-by-one error when MS-DOS Kermit is supposed to be sending packets that are 64 bytes long. We'll look into this. : I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. : By all means, email them to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 15:29:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:06:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:06:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Message-Id: <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Jul 95 21:29:56 MDT References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36487 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3204 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: >> In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>>Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >> I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to >> my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to >> happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. >> Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, >> MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would >> like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. >> >>>>4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the >>>> IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 >>>> and OS/2 2.1. >>>Maybe. Give it a try. >> >> OK. So I tried. Thanks to the guy who told me how. (It is not documented in >> WARP CONNECT): >> >> The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called >> COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use >> it by typing >> COMTCP host kermit.exe >> with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. >> I have to close the DOS box. I tried a variety of different things, but >> without success. The location changes. The register contents are not >> reproducible. (If they were, I could post them here.) >> >> Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or >> less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not >> supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. >> >> Question: Is this something that can be fixed by changing KERMIT or does >> it require changes in the TCP/IP code from Raleigh. ------------------ This is a summary report on the above difficulty using MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 over OS/2 program COMTCP. The difficulty has been identified by the sharp eyes of Bob Babcock: COMTCP goes belly up if the COM port number in register DX has bits set in the high order byte (reg DH). The IBM PC Bios Int 14h services use only register DL, the lower byte, and ignore the high byte. Apparently COMTCP does not check the value, uses DH plus DL, and crashes if DH != 0 (and perhaps if DX > 4, but that's not been checked). MSK v3.14 clears reg DH in all places but one, and this has never been a problem until now. Adding a clearing operation lets the two programs work together, according to tests by Jeff Altman and Bob Babcock. Thanks to both gentlemen for quick testing. It seems that COMTCP needs adjustment to ignore DH and range check DL, just as the IBM PC Bios Int 14h services do. This weekend I will see if I can create a new Patch for MSK 3.14 to add the clearing operation. We will announce the patch when it's ready. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 19:20:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:20:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:20:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 15 Jul 1995 19:20:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3u94ec$bmv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36488 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3205 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > This is a summary report on the above difficulty using MS-DOS Kermit >v3.14 over OS/2 program COMTCP. > The difficulty has been identified by the sharp eyes of Bob Babcock: >COMTCP goes belly up if the COM port number in register DX has bits set in >the high order byte (reg DH). ... > This weekend I will see if I can create a new Patch for MSK 3.14 >to add the clearing operation. We will announce the patch when it's ready. > Joe D. > For those who might not have been following this discussion: this will allow the use of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 via the IBM TCP/IP COMTCP Int 14 redirector, by telling MS-DOS Kermit to "set port bios1". Another method, which already worked, was to use SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS, and VMODEM.EXE (all from Ray Gwinn, shareware), and then use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14's "set port fossil 1" communication path. The latter method results in much better performance. A third method would have been to install a second Ethernet board and use it in the normal DOS way (e.g. with a packet driver) in a DOS window. The reason for wanting to use MS-DOS Kermit, rather than OS/2 C-Kermit, to make TCP/IP connections from Warp is for MS-DOS Kermit's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation, a feature that OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet have. Note that MS-DOS Kermit's graphics terminal emulation works only in a full screen session, not in a window. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 08:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:42:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit WAN Probs Date: 15 Jul 1995 17:35:19 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3u7srv$r5p@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3tcchb$t7l@aztec.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kuyper Hoffman (kuyper@aztec.co.za) wrote: : Sorry if this is a repost, but it hasn't left my regular machine yet : and time is short.... :-( : I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) : but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running : over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- : the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. ... : DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw : Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) ODI driver based telnet from MS-Kermit 3.14 to Unixware have worked fine here provided I didn't include any references to rarp (Reverse Address Resolution Protocol) in the NET.CFG. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 20:45:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 17:11:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 17:11:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: og01@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as a server Date: 15 Jul 1995 16:45:33 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3u99dd$4rds@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns3-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit with PC and modem. First time I type kermit and I used command for MS-kermit to type server. Then I dialed this computer and send some files to this computer from other computer. Everything worked. After that, I typed kermit and then type server for MS-kermit . It is okey, but either I couldn't connect this modem from another computer by dialing or I connected then I couldn't send files to this computer. --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- The day shines for person who has eyes. OSMAN GUZIDE OG01@LEGIGH.EDU OG01@PL122C.EECS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 16 01:00:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:03:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:02:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!io.org!twitch.io.org!jverne From: jverne@twitch.io.org (J. D. Verne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Date: 16 Jul 1995 01:00:48 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3u9oc0$ajp@ionews.io.org> References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> <3u1qaq$2cf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: twitch.io.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, J. D. Verne wrote: : >In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the : >Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not : >kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S : >regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? : > : >I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want : >hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a : >'name-brand' thanks. : > : You're joking, right? ALAS, no... : To run an RPI modem with EC and DC, you need to implement -- i.e. write : code for -- all of V.42 (LAPM) and V.42bis (LZW compression). : It's not merely a matter of setting an S-register. There *is* NO error : correction or data compression in the modem to enable. : Return it, get your money back, and if you think the marketing or packaging : was deceptive, let somebody know about it. I WAS thinking of informing my local consumer protection organization. These modems are sold quite plainly labelled with the magic words V.42 etc... Of course if I already HAD a modem, and had read this on the net, I wouldn't have bought it....? Live and learn. J. D. Verne Anyone want a modem...CHEAP? From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 20:05:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:14:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:14:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!senior.nectec.or.th!news.mahidol.ac.th!mucc!ccait From: ccait@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Adithep Intamas - CC) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help ... MSKERMIT 3.14 problem when link modem Date: 15 Jul 1995 20:05:20 GMT Organization: Mahidol University, Thailand Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: 202.14.162.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear sirs: I've used modem to connect the unix system using MS-KERMIT 3.14. After disconnect from unix and when modem no carrier, I press Alt-X ... it's still in kermit prompt. Could anyone tell me how to exit kermit immediately when I press Alt-X? In my MSKERMIT.INI file consisted of these phases . . . :RE_CONNECT connect set input timeout proceed clear wait 5 \cd if failure goto end_connection . . . :end_connection exit thanks. ccait From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 16 05:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:37:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:37:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! Kermit file transfer has slowed! Date: 16 Jul 1995 05:37:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3ua8jh$9tu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com>, Joseph Huber wrote: >I'm running ckermit for OS/2 5A(191) on my PC under OS/2 WARP; my >internet provider has HP9000's and is running ckermit 5A(190). I >connect to my provider via com2 and a Practical Peripherals PM144MTII. > >For some reason that I have not been able to determine, my kermit file >transfer rate has dropped from near 1600 cps to 1300 cps. I've noticed >that I am frequently using sliding windows; when my kermit file >transfer was working well, I rarely used more than one window. > >When using sz and rz (the p programs on OS/2) the file transfer rate >still remains near 1600 cps. I've tried just about everything I can >think of, packet size, control prefixes, window size, buffer size, but >I can't resolve the problem. The only changes I've made recently were >to upgrade to WARP and to ckermit OS/2 5A(191) (from 190). > >If anyone has any insight into this problem, I'd be very grateful. > >Thanks!! Sorry for taking so long to follow up on this one. But I have been unable to determine exactly what may be the problem. On my system 191 actually gets somewhat better performance than 190. The differences between the two have to do with the priority settings of various threads. Questions that come to mind are: how much RAM do you have? what is the DISK I/O Priority setting in CONFIG.SYS? What other processes are running and at what Priority levels? It could be that P runs at a higher priority (and requires less RAM) so it is therefore less affected by various system setups. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 10:47:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 06:56:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 06:56:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.azstarnet.com!sun.cais.com!news.iac.net!usenet From: esimonds@iac.net (Ed Simonds) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Attack dialing Date: 17 Jul 1995 10:47:46 GMT Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3udf4j$h32@cheyenne.iac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: simonds.iac.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am beginning to figure out how to script 3.14 for attack dialing a host that is often busy. Has anybody done this, and are there examples somewhere? Is this group archived somewhere? I am starting from scratch with the scripting. TIA for all responses. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 12:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:54:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:54:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help ... MSKERMIT 3.14 problem when link modem Date: 17 Jul 1995 12:54:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3udmhe$fkb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th>, Adithep Intamas - CC wrote: : I've used modem to connect the unix system using MS-KERMIT 3.14. After : disconnect from unix and when modem no carrier, I press Alt-X ... it's : still in kermit prompt. Could anyone tell me how to exit kermit immediately : when I press Alt-X? In my MSKERMIT.INI file consisted of these phases : : :RE_CONNECT : connect <--- (1) : set input timeout proceed : clear : wait 5 \cd : if failure goto end_connection : . <--- (2) : :end_connection : exit : I do not understand the situation well enough to be certain what the problem is. If the CONNECT command marked with arrow (1) is the one you escaping back from with Alt-x, then your script will reach the END_CONNECTION label and EXIT if the CD signal is coming in to the serial port. If it is not, then the commands marked with arrow (2) are executed, but you did not show what those are. If you are executing this script and Kermit returns to the prompt when you press Alt-x, then I suspect the missing code (2) is responsible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 17:19:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:53:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:53:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dialing program; modem receives dialstring but doesn't dial? Date: 17 Jul 1995 13:19:44 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:32354 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3213 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string from the program but doesn't really dial out. Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Atiq ------------------------------------- void sttyModem(int fd) { struct termio tbuf; if (ioctl(fd, TCGETA, &tbuf) < 0 ) cerr << "ioctl(TCGETA) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; tbuf.c_iflag = IXON | IXOFF | ISTRIP | IGNBRK | IGNPAR; tbuf.c_oflag = 0; tbuf.c_lflag = 0; tbuf.c_cflag = B300 | CS7 | CREAD | HUPCL | PARENB; tbuf.c_cc[4] = 1; // MIN tbuf.c_cc[5] = 0; // TIME if (ioctl(fd, TCSETAF, &tbuf)) cerr << "ioctl(TCSETAF) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; } main() { int tty_fd; tty_fd=open(....) etc. sttyModem(tty_fd); char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number char ss[10]; write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); read(tty_fd, ss, 1); // other code.......... exit(0); } From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 19:03:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:04:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:04:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: christmn@cyberport.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:03:49 GMT Organization: Cyberport Montana. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! Well, I know, I'm missing something real basic here. my appologies for that. Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot find anything explaing how I do this :( TIA richard From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 22:13:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:13:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:13:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: 17 Jul 1995 22:13:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3uenar$31j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net>, wrote: : Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our : modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have : several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot : find anything explaing how I do this :( : As explained in the manual: set carrier off connect and then type AT commands to your heart's content. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 23:10:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:11:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps Subject: Patch 9 for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 17 Jul 1995 23:10:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3ueqm1$6rb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Warp CONNECT, COMTCP Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3216 comp.os.os2.apps:90588 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In light of recent discussion regarding use of MS-DOS Kermit to make network connections from OS/2 via Warp CONNECT's COMTCP Interrupt 14 redirector, a new patch has been issued that prevents COMTCP from failing and allows MS-DOS Kermit to work with it via the SET PORT BIOSn communications path. This is Patch 9 to KERMIT.EXE (the full version). Thanks to Joe Doupnik for creating the patch, and to Bob Babcock for the crucial insight, to Jeff Altman and others who worked on the problem, and to Stefan Zollner for reporting the problem in the first place and testing the patch. The new patch file can be obtained via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, text mode, file msr314.pch. The kermit/archives/msvibm.zip file has also been updated to include the new patch file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 20:42:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:41:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:41:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!solaria.sol.net!not-for-mail From: helix@solaria.sol.net (Rob Radvanovsky) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending remote commands via KERMIT Date: 17 Jul 1995 15:42:06 -0500 Organization: SkyNet Communication Services Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: solaria.mil.wi.us Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to be able to tie into a given system, initiate a log capture, then send commands once connected to a remote system. The target system does not have KERMIT, so I would like to find a (relatively) easy method for such a process. Any takers on this one? Any help would be useful. Thanks. -r From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 21:08:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:14:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:14:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: ************ Down Loading - which protocol ??!! ************ Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3ue9uh$t5p@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:08:39 GMT Lines: 37 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:102841 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3218 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Followup's to comp.protocols.kermit.misc] In article , puma@netcom.com (Gary Breuckman) wrote: >In article <3ue9uh$t5p@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, >Mr NM Ng wrote: >>Hi I just got a modem (14.4k) and I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>if my KERMIT downloads are EXTREMELY slow for any particular reason, i.e. >>is it just that protocol, or are some of my settings likely to be "funny" ? >>I tried increasing window size but that didn;t allow much increment. > >Kermit is designed to work over any connection, but there are a number of >things that can be adjusted for better transfer rate. Window size is one >of them but even more important is > set send packet 1000 > set rec packet 1000 >so that kermit will use a larger packet size. You will likely have to do >this on BOTH ends of the connection, unless the defaults are already in >place on one end. Depending on the version of kermit, there are files >defined where you can put these commands so you don't have to enter them >each time, for DOS it's MSKERMIT.INI for UNIX try .kermrc That's two out of three: 1) Optimum number of windows, 2) larger packets, and 3) control character unprefixing (for binary files on 8-bit datapaths). Get the latest kermit software from Columbia U., read the docs carefully, and follow the discussions on comp.protocols.kermit.misc. Experiment with your settings to find the optimums. Optimums for packet size and unprefixed control characters will not necessarily be the same for both directions. The latest Kermit software for MS-DOS is (as I recall) ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip. If your site doesn't have the latest "host" Kermit, you might investigate getting the sources and building your own. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 00:37:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:10:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cyberspace.com!usenet From: cbeard@cyberspace.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extra Line Feeds\Car. Returns Date: 18 Jul 1995 00:37:07 GMT Organization: C y b e r S p a c e - (206) 505-5577 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp52-121.cyberspace.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Users, I am having problems while transferring a file from a VAX VMS system running CKermit 5A (188) to my PC. I use ProComm for windows, but I have also tried Kermit 3.14, Telix Kermit and HyperTerm Kermit to no avail. I am transferring a JPEG file. The file transfer seems fine, but the photo has almost 3 times to many line feed/carriage returns in it. I have a copy of the files I have been testing with and it has 125 lines - to the 380 lines in the Kermit version. There does not seem to be a pattern to the extra returns. The VAX also has VMS Kermit - 32, which works the same. I have also played with packet lengths and tried text and binary. The Show command on the VAX says the packet length is 1024 and the file type is text - which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Curt From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 01:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:02:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:02:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU!s925047 From: s925047@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Geoffrey King) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under Windows NAtive Date: 18 Jul 1995 01:55:27 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Nntp-Posting-User: s925047 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in native mode. the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs into memory problems. any help would be greatly appriciated Dave. Email preferred. -- So What is it??? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 12:44:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:45:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:45:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extra Line Feeds\Car. Returns Date: 18 Jul 1995 12:44:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ugac5$mo1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com>, wrote: : I am having problems while transferring a file from a VAX VMS system : running CKermit 5A (188) to my PC. I use ProComm for windows, but I : have also tried Kermit 3.14, Telix Kermit and HyperTerm Kermit to no : avail. : : I am transferring a JPEG file. The file transfer seems fine, but the : photo has almost 3 times to many line feed/carriage returns in it. I : have a copy of the files I have been testing with and it has 125 lines - : to the 380 lines in the Kermit version. There does not seem to be a : pattern to the extra returns. : : The VAX also has VMS Kermit - 32, which works the same. I have also : played with packet lengths and tried text and binary. The Show command : on the VAX says the packet length is 1024 and the file type is text - : which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. : On VMS, do a "dir/full" of the file. I'll bet it lists the record format as Stream_LF, which is a text type. If you read the VMS appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", you'll see that the VMS version of C-Kermit automatically sets its transfer mode to text or binary on a per file basis when sending files, based on the record format of each file. In the same Appendix, you'll also find the command that lets you override this behavior: SET FILE TYPE IMAGE Please read the appendix for a fuller explanation. As to why your JPEG file has a text-style record format, that's another question. I suspect the software that created it was written in C, whose i/o libraries create files with this type by default, and the authors did not know how to give it a proper binary type, such as fixed. The same thing happens with ZIP files on VMS. If SET FILE TYPE FIXED does not fix the problem, then it is very likely that the copy of the file that you have on VMS is itself corrupted by having been uploaded in text mode (e.g. with FTP or Kermit) rather than binary mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 12:50:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:51:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:51:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows NAtive Date: 18 Jul 1995 12:50:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ugana$n3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, David Geoffrey King wrote: >I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in >native mode. the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs >into memory problems. any help would be greatly appriciated > The one and only Kermit program that we (the Kermit project) produce, recommend, and support for Windows 3.x at this time is MS-DOS Kermit. If all you need it for is file transfer -- like an "external protocol", the new "Kermit Lite" is perfect for you. You can invoke it silently, it won't cause any memory problems (unless you already have problems with your memory configuration), it has the best Kermit transfers you'll find for Windows in any software, and we support it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 16:45:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:45:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:45:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending remote commands via KERMIT Date: 18 Jul 1995 16:45:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ugoff$bvl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us>, Rob Radvanovsky wrote: >I would like to be able to tie into a given system, initiate a log >capture, then send commands once connected to a remote system. The target >system does not have KERMIT, so I would like to find a (relatively) easy >method for such a process. This all sounds very routine. I guess I don't understand the problem. You can issue the CONNECT command to your local Kermit after tying in, and you will be "talking" directly to the remote system. If you have LOG SESSION in effect, the traffic will be recorded. You can even automate the login process as well as the remote commands by writing an appropriate macro or two. It doesn't matter at all that the remote system has no Kermit, as long as you don't need to transfer any files. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 13:19:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:51:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:51:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dialing program; modem receives dial string but doesn't dialout ? Date: 18 Jul 1995 09:19:38 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3ugcda$6uk@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string from the program but doesn't really dial out. Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Atiq ------------------------------------- void sttyModem(int fd) { struct termio tbuf; if (ioctl(fd, TCGETA, &tbuf) < 0 ) cerr << "ioctl(TCGETA) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; tbuf.c_iflag = IXON | IXOFF | ISTRIP | IGNBRK | IGNPAR; tbuf.c_oflag = 0; tbuf.c_lflag = 0; tbuf.c_cflag = B300 | CS7 | CREAD | HUPCL | PARENB; tbuf.c_cc[4] = 1; // MIN tbuf.c_cc[5] = 0; // TIME if (ioctl(fd, TCSETAF, &tbuf)) cerr << "ioctl(TCSETAF) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; } main() { int tty_fd; tty_fd=open(....) etc. sttyModem(tty_fd); char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number char ss[10]; write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); read(tty_fd, ss, 1); // other code.......... exit(0); } From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 08:06:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:43:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!news.iaf.nl!news.vcd.nl!news From: harry@vcd.nl (Harry Venema) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing program; modem receives dialstring but doesn't dial? Date: 18 Jul 1995 08:06:39 GMT Organization: VCD Automatisering B.V, Groningen, the Netherlands Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ufq2f$1lh@vcd.nl> References: <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: viper.vcd.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:32383 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net says... > > > >Hi, > >I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the >modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string >from the program but doesn't really dial out. >Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. >Thanks > >Atiq >------------------------------------- [ source deleted ] >main() >{ > int tty_fd; > tty_fd=open(....) etc. > sttyModem(tty_fd); > > char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number > char ss[10]; > > write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); > read(tty_fd, ss, 1); > // other code.......... > exit(0); >} I had the same problem a few years ago. Some modems don't like receiving an AT command at full speed. I solved the problem bij sending each character seperate and waiting for the output to drain by using the ioctl command. Change your single write into a loop where each character is written seperately followed by ioctl(tty_fd,TCSBRK,1). Harry Venema -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Venema | VCD Services B.V email work: harry@vcd.nl | Osloweg 131 home: harry@pyrrus.iaf.nl | 9723 BK Groningen, the Netherlands #include | Voice +31 50 975500 Fax: +31 50 975597 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 14:22:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:22:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:22:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:22:03 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3ugfso$bou@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu christmn@cyberport.net () wrote: >Hi! >Well, I know, I'm missing something real basic here. my appologies for >that. >Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our >modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have >several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot >find anything explaing how I do this :( >TIA >richard Try this: 1) Make sure you define the port, ie SET PORT COM3: 2) Make sure you define the speed, ie SET SPEED 9600 Then CONNECT. This should get you to a full page blank screen. At this point, I suggest the first thing you do is ATE1 so that whatever you type is echoed. Good luck! Greg Bernard 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com All opinions, if I had any, are my own. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 18:36:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:36:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:36:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!rockyd!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!pintzuks From: pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu (pintzuks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Compatibility Card & Kermit Date: 18 Jul 1995 18:36:29 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just bought a Power Macintosh 6100/66 with Geoport Telecom Adapter (14400 bps) and a DOS Compatibility Card, and I got the latest versions of MacKermit (0.991(190)) and MS-Kermit (3.13, simplified version) distributed by NYU's Academic Computing Facility. MacKermit works just fine, so I know that all the modem hardware is working. But I am having problems using MS-Kermit under DOS on the Compatibility Card. I set the port and the modem speed, and I can dial and make a connection (so I'm accessing the modem), but at various points in the introductory stages of getting to NYUMODEM (NYU's terminal server) and through to the computer on which I have an account, the connection drops and/or the modem makes strange noises (clicks and buzzes) and at times the phone that I'm dialing on rings in short bursts. Usually when this happens, the entire operating system freezes and I have to restart. Has anyone used Kermit in this way? Does anyone have any suggestions for things that I can try? Susan Pintzuk pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 22:45:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:58:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:58:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!bubba.NMSU.Edu!bmurphy From: bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Date: 18 Jul 1995 22:45:25 GMT Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. Could someone please e-mail me the specs. or a place to ftp them. (or a faq or any information that might be helpful.) Thanks Brian Murphy bmurphy@nmsu.edu http://palpha.nmsu.edu:8001/~bmurphy/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 23:44:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:39:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom11.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:44:01 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu>, bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) wrote: >I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer >protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. Have a look in _Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol_ by Frank da Cruz. Should be available in your university library. [Cc to poster.] Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 15:45:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!3RX7DONETSS From: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Lite? Date: 19 Jul 1995 15:45:57 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 5 Message-Id: <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsc.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can Kermit Lite be found? Thanks for any help Si From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 22:21:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:21:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:21:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Lite? Date: 19 Jul 1995 22:21:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3uk0gp$e3c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu>, SIMCHA <3rx7donetss@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >Where can Kermit Lite be found? > It's on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, along with the full and medium versions: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 05:56:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:05:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:05:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Compatibility Card & Kermit Message-Id: <1995Jul19.115658.56565@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 11:56:58 MDT References: <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>, pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu (pintzuks) writes: > I just bought a Power Macintosh 6100/66 with Geoport Telecom Adapter (14400 > bps) and a DOS Compatibility Card, and I got the latest versions of > MacKermit (0.991(190)) and MS-Kermit (3.13, simplified version) distributed > by NYU's Academic Computing Facility. MacKermit works just fine, so I know > that all the modem hardware is working. But I am having problems using > MS-Kermit under DOS on the Compatibility Card. I set the port and the > modem speed, and I can dial and make a connection (so I'm accessing the > modem), but at various points in the introductory stages of getting to > NYUMODEM (NYU's terminal server) and through to the computer on which I > have an account, the connection drops and/or the modem makes strange noises > (clicks and buzzes) and at times the phone that I'm dialing on rings in > short bursts. Usually when this happens, the entire operating system > freezes and I have to restart. > > Has anyone used Kermit in this way? Does anyone have any suggestions for > things that I can try? > > Susan Pintzuk > pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu --------- Susan, The current release of MSK is v3.14. From your description of affairs the telco line is certainly in need of improvment, for one thing. And emulator boards are never 100% or even close to it. Thus I'm mildly surprized that you got it to work at all. My only suggestion is to transfer to Columbia Univ where the lines work and PCs abound, but you didn't want to hear that. In any case, it's not a Kermit problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 03:08:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:40:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:40:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows NAtive Message-Id: <1995Jul18.090800.56471@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jul 95 09:08:00 MDT References: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s925047@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Geoffrey King) writes: > I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in > native mode. > the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs into memory > problems. > any help would be greatly appriciated ---------- If memory is your problem then best to attend to it. MS-DOS Kermit is the only Columbia Kermit for DOS and Windows at this time, and it runs well in a windows of Windows. There is no need to shell out to DOS to run Kermit; just create an icon and run it in a window. You did not mention which package you are using, but we support only Columbia Kermits. If it's not MS-DOS Kermit then please try it: grab quick start kit binary file msvibm.zip in directory kermit/ms-dos on kermit.columbia.edu. Instructions included. Joe D. s text - which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. ---------- The file is binary, not text. Please use binary transfer to move it, as explained in the manuals. Also be aware that VMS supports a rich variety of file types, far beyond that of DOS and Unix, and for all we know the file is already in bad shape by being moved to the VAX by a text mode transfer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 08:01:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:42:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:42:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Message-Id: <1995Jul19.140105.56579@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 14:01:05 MDT References: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu>, bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) writes: > I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer > protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. > > Could someone please e-mail me the specs. or a place to ftp them. (or a > faq or any information that might be helpful.) ------------ The exact, formal, official specs are published: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press, 1987, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Columbia Univ is a good contact point on supplies. The Kermit protocol is a rich one and not something one runs off on a few pages of dot matrix printing. There have been superset additions made to the protocol since publication and those are held as text files on kermit.columbia.edu. The list's FAQ is also there and worth reading. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 08:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:19:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:19:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:05:40 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Hi there, > >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >errors and others... > >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using a 14.4 PPP connection. K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu K = Kermit R = ymodem-g C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable Kermit code is not very efficient. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 02:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:13:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:13:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!news.radian.com.!news From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP sessions Date: 19 Jul 1995 02:01:13 GMT Organization: RADIAN Corporation Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com> Reply-To: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Nntp-Posting-Host: tphelmst-65194.radian.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 with the latest patch that fixed my problem with multiple TCP/IP sessions disconnecting (Thank-you!) Now, however, if a session has a bell sent to it, the bell codes will queue up until the session becomes current. You then have to minutes, all the while the bell is chirping, before the queue is cleared. I could turn the bell off but then I would sit idle while the codes clear, but my users will think they are hung. I am connecting to a Unisys U6000 running SRV4. Has anyone else experienced this? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 14:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:30:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:29:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 20 Jul 1995 14:29:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: : In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, : Daniel Huber wrote: : >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over : >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization : >errors and others... : > : >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? : : You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading : compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using : a 14.4 PPP connection. : : K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis : K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis : R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis : E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis : C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis : K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis : K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis : K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu : What do the columns of numbers represent? : K = Kermit : R = ymodem-g : C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ : : YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable : over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. : : ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. : : The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, : so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These : figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This : is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable : Kermit code is not very efficient. : Amen. CompuServe could very easily have installed fully capable Kermit protocol, but it chose not to do so. Readers may draw their own conclusions as to the reason, bearing their connect-time charges in mind. I would encourage paying CompuServe users to complain to CompuServe about the lack of a decent Kermit (and for that matter, Zmodem) file transfer capability, and to contact us at Columbia (and the management at Omen) if they want to put things right. They are, after all, not exactly cash-starved. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 07:57:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:56:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:56:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 19 Jul 1995 07:57:50 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization errors and others... Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? Thanks in advance Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 15:45:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:38:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:38:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP sessions Message-Id: <1995Jul19.214513.56615@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 21:45:13 MDT References: <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com>, Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > I am running MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 with the latest patch that fixed my problem with multiple > TCP/IP sessions disconnecting (Thank-you!) Now, however, if a session has a bell sent to it, > the bell codes will queue up until the session becomes current. You then have to minutes, > all the while the bell is chirping, before the queue is cleared. I could turn the bell off > but then I would sit idle while the codes clear, but my users will think they are hung. > I am connecting to a Unisys U6000 running SRV4. Has anyone else experienced this? ------------ That's a normal artifact of running multiple sessions and letting some block. Bytes aren't lost, thank goodness. And there isn't a practical way of keeping all sessions active because terminal emulation is required of each (and some commands generate feedback too). You can revert to visual bells (SET BELL VISUAL) and watch the local lightning storm on your monitor. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 19:20:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 05:39:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 05:38:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: Kermit88 for the Z88 Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:20:00 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi and thats for taking the time to read this. Have you heard of or know of any info about kermit88 for the Cambridge Computers Z88.I have a copy of this program but there seems to be some parts missing, can you help me? reagards be946@freenet.carleton.ca jim aka simon regards From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 21 20:10:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:59:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:59:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!news-server.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Proof of Correctness Available Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 21 Jul 1995 20:10:18 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In his preface to Frank da Cruz's book Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol, Don Knuth wrote: I hope that many readers of this book will be challenged to find high-level concepts and invariant relations by which various versions of the Kermit protocol can be proved correct in a mathematical sense. I'm pleased to announce that such a proof has recently been completed. The proof gives a complete specification of the core Kermit file transfer protocol, and shows that it is both safe (if you get a file, you can be sure it's the one that was sent) and live (if you send a file, and the network isn't too bad, it gets to the other end). The proof (written by myself) appears as part of a new book, "Specification and Validation Methods", edited by Egon Boerger and available through Oxford University Press (ISBN 0-19-853854-5, official publishing date 3 August 1995). Thanks to the good folks at Oxford University Press, as well as Frank da Cruz at Columbia, the Kermit proof has been made available as part of the Kermit repository at Columbia University. Those of you with WWW access can find the cover page for the proof, including more detailed information on the book containing the proof, at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/proof.html The proof itself (in PostScript) is available via anonymous FTP as ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/proof.ps As the author of the proof, I'd be happy to hear any comments or questions you might have about the proof. The proof uses a relatively new specification methodology known as "evolving algebras"; an introduction to the method is contained in the proof. I'd be happy to discuss the technique with anyone who might be interested. Jim Huggins (huggins@umich.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 00:39:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:39:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 22 Jul 1995 00:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those of you who use MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit dialing directories know the dialing directory is a plain text file, one line per entry. Each line looks like this: name number speed parity comments For example: info 18005551212 2400 even Blah blah blah The first four fields have to be "words", in the Kermit sense, with no embedded spaces. Or, if they must contain embedded spaces, they have to be braced, e.g.: info {1 800 555 1212} 2400 even Blah blah blah The question is: Does anybody actually use the speed and parity fields? Or if you do, would you care a lot of they went away? If you think about it, the real purpose of a dialing directory is to let you use names in place of numbers, so it really should contain only a name and the associated phone number or, perhaps, a list of phone numbers to be tried until one answers. The speed is a property of your modem (or maybe of the other modem), but that is not necessarily tied to the phone number. For example, if you have a 2400 bps modem on one computer (or port) and a V.34 modem on another, that should not require you to have different dialing directories. Similarly, the parity is a property of the host or service or device you are calling (or calling from) and might well be independent of the phone number. Removing the speed and parity fields would let us write the phone number in a more readable, convenient, intuitive, and transportable fashion, e.g. for importing and exporting dialing directories from/to other applications. The place for the other items would be in a services directory (like C-Kermit's), which would provide complete service -- connection establishment and automatic logging in. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 13:13:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:11:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 13:13:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 93 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >: In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, >: Daniel Huber wrote: >: >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >: >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >: >errors and others... >: > >: >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? >: >: You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading >: compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using >: a 14.4 PPP connection. >: >: K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis >: K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis >: R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis >: E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis >: C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis >: K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis >: K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis >: K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu >: >What do the columns of numbers represent? For wzcomm.zip (beta test of a native 32 bit WIN32 version of ZCOMM shareware comms program for Win95 or NT): 177603 bytes transferred in file 1453 characters per second average throughput for file 122.18 seconds transfer time for file 4085 data bytes in last or largest packet > >: K = Kermit >: R = ymodem-g >: C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ >: >: YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable >: over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. >: >: ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. >: >: The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, >: so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These >: figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This >: is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable >: Kermit code is not very efficient. >: >Amen. CompuServe could very easily have installed fully capable Kermit >protocol, but it chose not to do so. Readers may draw their own conclusions >as to the reason, bearing their connect-time charges in mind. Developers such as Datastorm and CompuServe tend to make use of royalty-free code when implementing protocols. The most recent royalty-free Kermit code released with the blessing of Columbia University is "The Source" SuperKermit code published in the middle 1980s. As Frank himself has commented, this version of Kermit was not robust. Its poor performance prompted GTE Telenet to commission the creation of ZMODEM in 1985/1986. The rest is history. CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. >I would encourage paying CompuServe users to complain to CompuServe about >the lack of a decent Kermit (and for that matter, Zmodem) file transfer >capability, and to contact us at Columbia (and the management at Omen) if >they want to put things right. They are, after all, not exactly >cash-starved. CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of files users download from CompuServe. A number of programs have competent B+ implementations, including Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM. The only programs I know of that have high performance Kermit implementations are Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM, and Columbia University's product. Since ZCOMM and Pro-YAM have good 32 bit B+ download performance, only Columbia's product would benefit if CompuServe switch to the current Kermit protocol. CompuServe may not wish to make this change, which would increase system load and break some programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 16:36:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:36:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:36:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 22 Jul 1995 16:36:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > Developers such as Datastorm and CompuServe tend to make use of > royalty-free code when implementing protocols. The most recent > royalty-free Kermit code released with the blessing of Columbia > University is "The Source" SuperKermit code published in the middle > 1980s. As Frank himself has commented, this version of Kermit was not > robust. Its poor performance prompted GTE Telenet to commission the > creation of ZMODEM in 1985/1986. The rest is history. > I think you and I would both like it better if these companies, when marketing our respective protocols, would work out arrangements with us to license the most up-to-date versions. I have no doubt that ZMODEM-90 is superior in all ways to to 1986 ZMODEM, just as modern Kermit software is superior to the ten-year old version of Kermit from "The Source". It is appalling that companies like Datastorm and CompuServe do not elect to support the people who did all the R&D that went into key portions of their products and services, but rather, take whatever they can get for free no matter how junky it is. Their customers suffer for it, Chuck and I get the bad rap, and, in most cases, the tech-support fingers at these companies point back at us: "ZMODEM problem? Chuck's fault, blame him. Kermit problem? Frank's fault, blame him." Yet, with almost unfailing certainty, every such problem has already been addressed and fixed over the ensuing years by the original developers, a fact which could not concern these companies in the least. "We have your money, we don't care!" > CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it > consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the > same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit > and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. > Which is, of course, a non-issue. If CompuServe were interested in a decent ZMODEM or Kermit implementation, they would talk to Chuck or me about it ( respectively :-) and we would work with them to ensure that they had a product that would meet or exceed their requirements. In fact, what they are interested in is being able to simply put the word "ZMODEM" or "Kermit" on their literature for lip service to "de facto standards" to attract customers. They don't want to do the right thing, they want to do the least amount of work and spend the least amount of money required to get YOUR money. > CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming > data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of > files users download from CompuServe. > Well sure they do. But having one's own proprietary protocols turns out to bite one back in the end. How many telnet clients do we know of that support B+? > ... CompuServe may not wish to make this change, which would increase > system load and break some programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. > The spec hasn't changed. Today's Kermit software is written to the 1987 (not 1985) spec, as given in the Kermit book (with extensions, but not with changes, and the extensions are in other areas entirely, such as character sets). The Source's implementation, which was a pioneering effort and, I'll even say, a landmark in the history of our little corner of the world, had, shall we say, implementation problems. That it should have found its way into so much junky commercial and shareware software is a strong argument against ever again turning such software loose without protection. When you're "nice" in this business, everybody takes advantage. So what is the lesson here? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 15:33:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:23:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:23:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom16.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 15:33:32 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it >consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the >same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit >and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. I'm sure that a C-Kermit built with all the options is more resource intensive, but then, that's because it does more. However, C-Kermit comes with a rich set of defines that permit it to be installed without features that'll never be used. In extreme cases, it could be compiled with all but the protocol itself left out (though I couldn't imagine leaving out the script interpreter!). Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 21 13:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:41:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:41:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!prostar.com From: lee.hauser@prostar.com (Lee Hauser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CP/M Kermit Date: 21 Jul 95 20:05:19 PDT Organization: ProStar Internet Gateway Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: smtp.prostar.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Blast from the past time... I was recently on the ftp site looking for CP/M 4.11 for Kaypro (CP/M) and wondered which file was the one I'm looking for... and does it need to be translated somehow to become a .com file? Any help for this poor retro-computist would be greatly appreciated! Lee Hauser lee.hauser@prostar.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 15:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 11:32:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 11:32:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 23 Jul 1995 11:19:56 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> |> Those of you who use MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit dialing directories |> know the dialing directory is a plain text file, one line per entry. |> |> [description deleted...] |> |> The question is: Does anybody actually use the speed and parity fields? |> Or if you do, would you care a lot of they went away? |> We use the speed and parity fields. Some of our services are through a PACX to an IBM mainframe. This path requires even parity and a maximum speed of 9600. The remaining services are through telnet servers: no parity and the fastest speed the PC<->modem can reliably maintain. Would we care if the format of the distributed dialing directory changed? Not terribly. MSK's scripting abilities would let us get by. As an aside, we also use the comment field. If it contains the word Queen's I add a dialing prefix. Your recent discussion on portable dialing directories has shown me some flaws in my approach here. But the moral is that when you change the format of the dialing directory some people will have to rework things. I don't consider that a big burden. This may be completely impractical, but is there any chance the new format could be defined in the next month? If so I could react to the changes in time for September which is when most students grab their copy of Kermit for the year. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 03:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 12:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 12:01:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jul 95 09:30:17 MDT References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > In article <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>: In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, >>: Daniel Huber wrote: >>: >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >>: >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >>: >errors and others... > CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming > data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of > files users download from CompuServe. A number of programs have competent > B+ implementations, including Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM. > > The only programs I know of that have high performance Kermit > implementations are Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM, and > Columbia University's product. Since ZCOMM and Pro-YAM have good 32 bit > B+ download performance, only Columbia's product would benefit if > CompuServe switch to the current Kermit protocol. CompuServe may not wish > to make this change, which would increase system load and break some > programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. It seems that Compuserve hasn't even run internal suitability tests on their software. The Columbia Kermits of today interoperate with the pretty embarassing "lurching" windows rendition of C Kermit written by "The Source" in 85. The current sliding windows implementation arose when I did a fresh design for MS-DOS Kermit many years ago, and that design was carried over to C Kermit. I logged into The Source and ran against it to ensure compatibility, and compatible it was. Heck, I still have test packet logs. One might also ask how many CIS customers are still using any comms program dated 1985? As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible with the oldest Kermits. All this suggests that CIS will do whatever they want, and the way to change their thinking is for CIS customers to make constructive noise. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 17:36:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 23 Jul 1995 17:36:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3uu1ak$88h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, Mike Smith wrote: : We use the speed and parity fields. Some of our services are through a : PACX to an IBM mainframe. This path requires even parity and a maximum : speed of 9600. The remaining services are through telnet servers: no : parity and the fastest speed the PC<->modem can reliably maintain. : Would we care if the format of the distributed dialing directory : changed? Not terribly. MSK's scripting abilities would let us get by. : : As an aside, we also use the comment field. If it contains the word : Queen's I add a dialing prefix. Your recent discussion on portable : dialing directories has shown me some flaws in my approach here. : The new design should handle this nicely. : But the moral is that when you change the format of the dialing : directory some people will have to rework things. I don't consider that : a big burden. : Good -- I think the result will be worth it. : This may be completely impractical, but is there any chance the new format : could be defined in the next month? If so I could react to the changes in : time for September which is when most students grab their copy of Kermit : for the year. : Yes, there is a good chance it will be defined even sooner than that. I'll post it when it's ready for public comment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 24 00:50:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 23 Jul 1995 19:50:32 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I think you and I would both like it better if these companies, when >marketing our respective protocols, would work out arrangements with us to >license the most up-to-date versions. [...] >If CompuServe were interested in a >decent ZMODEM or Kermit implementation, they would talk to Chuck or me >about it ( respectively :-) and we would work with them to ensure that >they had a product that would meet or exceed their requirements. [...] >> CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming >> data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of >> files users download from CompuServe. >> >Well sure they do. But having one's own proprietary protocols turns out >to bite one back in the end. How many telnet clients do we know of that >support B+? Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by "proprietary" here? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 06:27:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 03:22:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 03:22:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!ml.csiro.au!news From: beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) Subject: gzip'ed files renamed on transfer. Why? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fdcs Message-Id: Keywords: gzip Sender: news@ml.csiro.au Reply-To: beattie@ml.csiro.au Organization: CSIRO Marine Labs, Hobart, Tas, Australia Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:27:59 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Solaris kermit 190 to transfer files that have been compressed with the gzip utility. On the destination, the '.gz' exptension is changed to 'xgz'. ie 'file.gz' becomes 'filexgz'. Why is this so? Thanks Bob Beattie From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 07:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 05:33:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 05:33:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!ml.csiro.au!news From: beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) Subject: Re: gzip'ed files renamed etc - Please ignore earlier post X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fdcs Message-Id: Sender: news@ml.csiro.au Reply-To: beattie@ml.csiro.au Organization: CSIRO Marine Labs, Hobart, Tas, Australia References: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 07:47:23 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) writes: >I have been using Solaris kermit 190 to transfer files >that have been compressed with the gzip utility. > >On the destination, the '.gz' exptension is changed to 'xgz'. >ie 'file.gz' becomes 'filexgz'. Why is this so? > I have the answer thanks. ie RTFM: If there is more than one period in the file name, the 2nd & subsequent periods are translated to x's unless 'set file names literal' My apologies for cluttering up the group. Thanks Bob Beattie From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 12:38:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:38:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:38:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit Date: 24 Jul 1995 12:38:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3v0480$a4p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com>, Lee Hauser wrote: > I was recently on the ftp site looking for CP/M 4.11 for Kaypro (CP/M) ... > You mean CP/M *Kermit* 4.11 for the Kaypro :-) > ... and wondered which file was the one I'm looking for... and does it > need to be translated somehow to become a .com file? Any help for this > poor retro-computist would be greatly appreciated! > The directions are in the manual, cpkerm.{doc,ps}. Basically, you need two hex files: cpsker.hex (the system-independent part) and cpvkpr.hex (the Kaypro "overlay"). Then you follow the directions for merging them together with MLOAD. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 20:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:39:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:39:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!hillae!tan From: tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) Subject: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Hill Arts & Entertainment Systems, Inc. Guildford, Connecticut Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 20:24:08 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), but how do I specify the port-number? I see hooks in ckcnet.c, but can't figure out where the value is set from the command line. thanks in advance, tan -- tan@hillae.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 15:43:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:21:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:21:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 24 Jul 1995 15:43:32 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: [in response to a discussion on Compuserve's proprietary B+ protocol] >Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by >"proprietary" here? Proprietary = ours and ours only. Nobody else is allowed to use the protocol. In the case of B+, anyone is allowed to incorporate code for downloading with B+, but ONLY Compuserve can send files w/ B+. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 23:58:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:58:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:58:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1995 23:58:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tan Bronson wrote: >I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. >I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), >but how do I specify the port-number? > >I see hooks in ckcnet.c, but can't figure out where the >value is set from the command line. > There are easier ways to figure out how to issue a command than reading the source code! Here are just two: 1. Look in the manual. 2. Type "help". This would have led you to "help set host". 2. Use the "?" feature of the command parser: C-Kermit>set host ? IP host name or number C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu ? Port number C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu 2000 Hey, the syntax is just like Telnet :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 22:24:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:54:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:54:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 24 Jul 1995 17:24:52 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 18 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the suggestions there to work. Please help! Thanks for your response, Jim -- Jim Scott "I had taught myself that a human being might as well look for diamond tiaras in the gutter as for rewards and punishments that were fair." Kurt Vonnegut, from "Mother Night." From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 02:28:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 00:30:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 00:30:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 24 Jul 1995 21:28:32 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3v1ksg$1gs@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, William C Beegle wrote: >In article <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >[in response to a discussion on Compuserve's proprietary B+ protocol] >>Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by >>"proprietary" here? >Proprietary = ours and ours only. Nobody else is allowed to use the >protocol. You mean unless they arrange to license the software... Which is precisely what was being suggested for kermit. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 02:13:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:13:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: NLTD@grove.iup.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit compiled for linux? Date: 24 Jul 1995 21:13:52 -0500 Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody got a copy of a linux executable version of kermit or instructions on compiling kermit for linux? The version I have supposedly supports various types of unix, but linux doesn't seem to be one of them (which is really suprising!). Please also send me the address of the source files you used to compile so that I may get them also. Thank you. Your help is greatly appreciated. NLTD@grove.iup.edu Cliff Friedel From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 02:20:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:40:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:40:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: How can one make C-Kermit relinquish a port? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 02:20:09 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5A (191) under OS/2 Warp, and I would like to be able to make C-Kermit "give up" the COM port at will. For example, suppose I'm on a regular dialup connection, but then I decide I want to hang up and re-connect via SLIP. Everything is fine is the SLIP driver is already running, but it complains when I start it up with C-Kermit already running because (I presume) C-Kermit has the port. I end up having to close C-Kermit, start the SLIP driver, and then re-open C-Kermit in order to "set port slipcom1" and dial. Is there any way around this? Thanks ... Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 23:54:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 05:41:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 05:40:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!frost!barry From: barry@frost.bain.oz.au (Barry Allebone) Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Message-Id: <1995Jul24.235427.2295@frost.bain.oz.au> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Organization: Bain & Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:54:27 GMT Lines: 45 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3262 comp.dcom.modems:103961 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > [Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies > in advance if it appears twice.] > Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually > inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining > that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am > working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance > and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. Q What is the directory for ? A To assist memory and fingers Given that there is no simple answer to your questions (is it a given ?) then I have a suggestion - provide a modifier to DIAL which can take a variety of values e.g. DIAL E - make the international number available for editing before dialing DIAL L - dial the local form of the number (possible default ?) DIAL S - dial the STD form of the number DIAL I - dial the ISD form of the number Then if synonyms were allowed in the dialing directory together with the corresponding modifiers all the user has to do is know where he is. In fact thinking about it, apart from the editing thing, nothing is actually required. Users can just adopt the above convention or similar and prefix their telephone number mnemonics with a one letter code, making multiple entries in the dialing directory. Maybe its just me but software seems to be coming extraordinarily complex without adding much value. Maybe this is one such case. Look at the rules based system discussed in another followup. Just my two cents worth and thanks for a great product Barry Allebone From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 12:48:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:48:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:48:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit compiled for linux? Date: 25 Jul 1995 12:48:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3v2p79$i4u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu>, wrote: >Has anybody got a copy of a linux executable version of kermit or >instructions on compiling kermit for linux? The version I have supposedly >supports various types of unix, but linux doesn't seem to be one of them >(which is really suprising!). Please also send me the address of the >source files you used to compile so that I may get them also. Thank you. >Your help is greatly appreciated. > Where did you get the version that you have? Here is our standard blurb about the real way to get C-Kermit for UNIX (*including* Linux): anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order direct from the publisher: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 14:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:30:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:30:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can one make C-Kermit relinquish a port? Date: 25 Jul 1995 14:30:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3v2v5p$pjd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A (191) under OS/2 Warp, and I would like to be >able to make C-Kermit "give up" the COM port at will. For example, >suppose I'm on a regular dialup connection, but then I decide I want >to hang up and re-connect via SLIP. Everything is fine is the SLIP >driver is already running, but it complains when I start it up with >C-Kermit already running because (I presume) C-Kermit has the port. > >I end up having to close C-Kermit, start the SLIP driver, and then >re-open C-Kermit in order to "set port slipcom1" and dial. Is there >any way around this? No. YOu can't change the owner of a port in mid stream. When SLIP is running C-Kermit performs an extensive negotiation with the SLIP driver in order to share the port. There is no means for SLIP to start a negotiation with C-Kermit. Therefore, the port cannot be shared. If you think you might want to start a SLIP connection at some point, then always start the SLIP driver before you call. Then use the SLIP version of the port number. If you don't use SLIP, it doesn't hurt anything. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 07:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:08:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:08:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!rayp From: rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bin Hex: what is it? Date: 25 Jul 1995 07:26:44 GMT Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... -- ---- Ray Pendergast rayp@pacifier.com http://www.pacifier.com/~rayp From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 16:53:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:37:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:37:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!nickel.laurentian.ca!claude From: claude@nickel.laurentian.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 95 11:53:50 -0500 Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.laurentian.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does anyone have a solution for this ? Thanks in advance for the info. Claude. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 20:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:51:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:51:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 20:51:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3v3lgv$d6b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: > > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does >anyone have a solution for this ? > Which version of Kermit are you using? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 08:20:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:00:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:00:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!worm.inch.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:20:41 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: > >>CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it >>consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the >>same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit >>and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. > > I'm sure that a C-Kermit built with all the options is more > resource intensive, but then, that's because it does more. > However, C-Kermit comes with a rich set of defines that permit it > to be installed without features that'll never be used. In extreme > cases, it could be compiled with all but the protocol itself left > out (though I couldn't imagine leaving out the script interpreter!). The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. Let's compare sz (a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: (38kb direct connect) ls -l *gif -rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif time kermit -s b17mh.gif real 1m38.97s user 0m1.74s sys 0m0.44s Kermit time sz -y b17mh.gif real 1m36.58s user 0m0.17s sys 0m0.18s ZMODEM time sz -ym b17mh.gif real 1m35.01s user 0m0.09s sys 0m0.13s ZMODEM-90(Tm) The Unix CPU utilization is much higher with CKermit than with Professional-YAM. This can be critical on a multisuer system. The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM for WIN32 running on a P75 and Windows 95 build 950-r6 ("gold"). -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 12:43:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archived.msdos.d Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Bin Hex: what is it? Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d Sender: jhurwit@netcom6.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:57 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Followups to comp.archives.msdos.d] In article <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com>, rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) wrote: >I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using >Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or >something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the >pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't >use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... Your mailer has nothing to do with this (and neither does this group, which makes me wonder why you're asking here, unless you used Kermit for the download). Bin Hex is a binary to ascii encoding scheme for Macintosh, which is similar in principle to uuencoding. (If you're not familiar with any of that, the idea is to encode a binary file as printable ascii characters for e-mailing.) You might try ftp://oak.oakland.edu/simtel/msdos/mac/binhex13.zip, which should work if it's binhexed. I don't know what to suggest if it's "or something." Next week: "I have this *.SIT file..." :) Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 13:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom6.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:05:40 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? > Let's compare sz >(a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: > >(38kb direct connect) > >ls -l *gif >-rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif Um, perhaps Frank may comment on the validity of the rest of your test, but >time kermit -s b17mh.gif tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted gif file on the other end. I think the command you wanted was 'kermit -s b17mh.gif -i'. Also, did you have control character unprefixing set up for C-Kermit? Excessive prefixing may also account for some CPU time. >The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM Does this software not tell the user whether the file transfer is taking place in BINARY or TEXT mode? (If it does Kermit transfers, does it not process file attributes packets?) MS-Kermit puts the transfer mode right up there on the screen, so if the transfer is accidently started in the wrong mode, the user may observe that and restart. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 22:47:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:48:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:48:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 22:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3v3s9t$ia3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all > seems to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on > their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is > 128. Does anyone have a solution for this ? > From the KERMIT.UPD file: (16) WIDE SCREENS AND HORIZONTAL SCROLLING Kermit changes between 80 and 132 column mode at host request (CSI ? 3 h / l) or when you give an explicit SET TERMINAL WIDTH { 80, 132 } command. Until version 3.13, 132-column screens were possible only on PCs with video adapters that have a 132-column text mode. Now MS-DOS Kermit also includes support for DEC VT 132-column mode and Data General compressed text on EGA and VGA video adapters that do not have a 132-column text mode, by entering graphics mode and writing the characters dot by dot. 128 columns are displayed rather than 132 due to the PC's screen geometry but you can use MS-DOS Kermit's horizontal scrolling feature to see the rightmost 4 columns. See the file itself, on your Kermit diskette, for additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 00:07:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:07:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:07:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 26 Jul 1995 00:07:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <3v40vu$loq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. > To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, > there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news > groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. > It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking > in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to > use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this > feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? > Different philosophies regarding windowing and, for that matter, basic tuning defaults. Sometimes you need windows (small "w" :-). In the case you cite, it's because you need *some* reverse-channel activity to tickle your idle daemon. I think everybody understands by now, and Chuck will agree it is a fair statement, that ZMODEM is tuned, by default, for maximum speed, whereas C-Kermit is tuned, by default, for safety (robustness). Kermit, however, does not totally give up its robustness features when you tune it for speed, so it is not exactly accurate to say (not that anyone has, but I know you're all thinking it :-) that Kermit, thus tuned, is the same ZMODEM, any more than it is to say that ZMODEM, forced to use a window size and escape all control characters, is the same as Kermit. One of the big differences is in the windowing strategy. ZMODEM's is "go-back-to-n", Kermit's is "selective repeat". Go-back-to-n means, "if there is an error, go back to the spot where the error was detected and start over again from there". Selective repeat means, "if there is an error, retransmit only the piece that had the error". Go-back-to-n is more efficient as long as there are no errors, because, as Chuck implies, there is less bookkeeping involved. However, go-back-to-n is less efficient if it must recover from errors, especially when there is a long round-trip delay, because a lot more stuff is already in the pipe by the time the error is detected, and all of it must be sent again. However, both protocols work. I would say it is simply a matter of preference on the part of a well-informed user. Do you care more about getting the best speed on good connections, or getting good speed on ALL connections? (This is not to say that ZMODEM is necessarily faster than Kermit on good connections, but I think it can be demonstrated that ZMODEM's speed goes down much faster as the connection deteriorates than Kermit's does, and moreso if the connection has long round-trip delays.) >>time kermit -s b17mh.gif > tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might > account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted > gif file on the other end. > Actually, I think Chuck is pretty competent Kermit user :-) I'm sure he has binary mode and the various other performance options set in his initialization file. If you look at the elapsed times, they are not that different; I would classify them as neglible and not worth quibbling over. Kermit's CPU times are indeed higher, but who knows what Chuck's init file is doing. Maybe it's calculating Pi to a million digits (you can do that with Kermit's command language :-) (JUST KIDDING!) Chuck has made the point that Kermit has all this startup overhead that Professional-YAM(tm) doesn't have. What can I say, he's right. It's setting up dialing and services directories, defining all kinds of macros, and so on. These are convenience features that a lot of people need and depend on. It's nice to have them there. The "power user", of course, can bypass all that and go for the speed. Even then, I don't doubt that Chuck's code eats less CPU, even after we enter packet mode. That's because it doesn't do as much. Even when Kermit is not translating character sets, prefixing control characters, handling 8-bit characters on 7-bit links via single or locking shifts, etc, it still has to make those tests, and it still manages its window. Yes, I could put in some time on micro-optimizing the code to avoid these tests (generally at the penalty of increased code size), but the only case I heard of where the CPU utilization posed a problem was on a 10+-year-old MicroVAX that had a single-character-interrupt serial port and a very small memory, and in that case optimizing Kermit's "inner loop" would not have helped a bit. Anyway, if we were all so concerned about conserving scarce CPU cycles, we would not all be rushing install the latest graphical operating system on our PCs :-) Hmmm... wait, now I think I'm beginning to see Chuck's subtle point... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 17:30:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:58:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:58:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.erinet.com!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!a3bbak!wa1hoz From: wa1hoz@a3bbak.nai.net (Gerry Belanger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bin Hex: what is it? Date: 25 Jul 1995 17:30:03 GMT Organization: North American Internet Company Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3v39mr$ik6@a3bsrv.nai.net> References: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wlfd-sh.nai.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ray Pendergast (rayp@pacifier.com) wrote: : I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using : Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or : something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the : pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't : use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... The home of BINHEX is boombox.micro.umn.edu. Gopher access is preferred, but ftp works. Version 4.0 is for Macs, Version 1.3 is for DOS. -- Gerry Belanger, WA1HOZ wa1hoz@a3bbak.nai.net Newtown, CT g.belanger@ieee.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 18:14:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:57:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:57:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 25 Jul 1995 18:14:23 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold To: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote: : I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get : long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very : aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the : suggestions there to work. Please help! To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file, mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc With some care, the same file can be used on both systems. The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher. Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but reliable, settings. A copy of mine follows by email... -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 03:09:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:34:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:34:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 11:09 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <25JUL199511095397@almach.caltech.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, claude@nickel.laurentian.ca writes... > > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does >anyone have a solution for this ? > > Thanks in advance for the info. > > Claude. > I'm a bit confused by your post. Did you perhaps leave out the vital phrase "MS-DOS"? If so, the code which does the switching to 132 columns is dependent on the video hardware. The hardware (graphics adapter *and* monitor) need to support 132 column modes, first of all. Then you need to put your "custom" hook to switch to 132 columns in the file COLS132.BAT. At one time, most video cards came with documentation and a floppy disk containing a utility that would let you change modes. Unfortunately, in the currently enlightened age of generic hardware that often doesn't come with a manual or any documentation (much less a brand name!), you may just be left out in the cold. If this was the case, go back to the people who sold you the card and if you're lucky they might know how to switch video modes. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 14:16:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:02:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:02:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!hillae!tan From: tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) Subject: Re: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Hill Arts & Entertainment Systems, Inc. Guildford, Connecticut References: <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:16:40 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Tan Bronson wrote: >>I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. >>I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), >>but how do I specify the port-number? >> > [...] > 2. Type "help". This would have led you to "help set host". I tried, but you'll see that the port_number is not mentioned: C-Kermit>help set host Syntax: SET HOST hostname-or-number Select a network host. Use this command instead of SET LINE. After SET HOST give the host name or number. TCP/IP Examples: SET HOST watsun.cc.columbia.edu SET HOST 128.59.39.2 > 3. Use the "?" feature of the command parser: > > C-Kermit>set host ? IP host name or number > C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu ? Port number > C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu 2000 > >Hey, the syntax is just like Telnet :-) Thanks for the response! From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 14:28:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:29:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:28:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:28:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3v5jf0$24l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote: > >: I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get >: long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very >: aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the >: suggestions there to work. Please help! > >To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file, >mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc > >With some care, the same file can be used on both systems. >The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher. >Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but >reliable, settings. > Thanks, Clarence. But I don't want people to be left with the mistaken impression that the only way to configure Kermit is with a mysterious external file (like WIN.INI, etc, for Windows). Kermit initialization files contain ordinary Kermit commands that can be typed by anybody at any time. The ones that we distribute contain reasonable values, i.e. values that should work for everybody "out of the box". Here are a couple rules of thumb we have developed over the years: 1. You should not change your MSKERMIT.INI or CKERMIT.INI or .kermrc file from the standard, distributed one unless you REALLY know what you are doing. Otherwise it's impossible to answer your questions, address your problems, etc. 2. Make all your desired customizations in the MSCUSTOM.INI or CKERMOD.INI or .mykermrc file. Customizations relating to protocol parameters (packet lengths, window sizes, and particularly control-character unprefixing) should not be made without some understanding of what you are doing. If these speedups were safe for everybody, believe me, we'd make them standard defaults and avoid the "Kermit is too slow" discussions. Nothing would be easier than for us to make: SET WINDOW 30 SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000 SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL the defaults for everybody. Unfortunately, many of our computers and connections are not up to handling protocol defaults beyond the ones that we already have, and transfers would fail for lots of people. But don't worry, you don't have to stay up all night cramming in order to make Kermit go fast. Try this instead: at the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(190) prompt, simply type: FAST Do this on both ends, assuming you have one of these programs on each end (these are the current versions). Now try to transfer a file. If it works, and it works without lots of errors (retransmissions), then you're done. Otherwise, you'll have to do a little studying -- but in that case, would also have had to do a little studying with any other protocol too, because it probably would not have worked on this connection either. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 15:11:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:38:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:38:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!not-for-mail From: fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit killer text Date: 26 Jul 1995 11:11:59 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up. In vt100 mode, it's fine. Does anyone have an explanation? Thanks, Fredrik Subject: Re: Space Q{?b9:g)=N0?%/Io AR[=UM Av]=_o]hXZv$`4@auest 6 -- Fredrik Nyman CACI 1120 G Street NW Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 "The Internet, for the uninitiated, is a collection of computer systems at universities, nonprofit research groups, the federal government, and some obscure businesses--all traditional hotbeds of hip, right?" SPY 8/94 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 13:49:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:35:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:35:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!utcsri!utnut!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 27 Jul 1995 13:49:41 GMT From: MaryStone0@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <950726173052_41373953@aol.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <950726173052_41373953@aol.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950727.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 13:39:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:55:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:55:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!cwmills.umd.edu!not-for-mail From: gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with input statement in a script file Date: 27 Jul 1995 09:39:55 -0400 Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cwmills.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu *** Somewhat long post because session log is included *** Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting to automate a login to our university annex server. I am trying to use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password: strings. Here is the problem. Our annex server blasts out so much of a message, I think, that the input buffer becomes overloaded. I have done a few things: 1) logged in with debug to look for hidden characters, 2) checked \v(input), \v(inchar), and \(incount). The input statement I use is: input 30 Username: Here is what my server is blasting out after the modem connects (prefaced with > for clarity): >Annex Command Line Interpreter * Copyright 1991 Xylogics, Inc. > >Checking authorization, Please wait... >Attached to annex8/29 > >A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool. >Use xxx-xxxx for non authenticated access. Contact the CSC Consulting Lab >in the CSS Bldg, room 3326 or call 405-1500 for more information. > >WAM/Annex Username: And, here are the contents of various memory variables: >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(input) >326 or call 405-1500 for more information. > >WAM/Annex Username:ed to annex8/19 > >A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool. >Use 403-4333 for non authenticated access. Contact the CSC Consulting Lab >in the CSS Bldg, room 3 >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(inchar) > >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(incount) >1 >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit> The \v(inchar) appears to be a null or blank. Any suggestions about how to further debug this problem or any solutions to try? Best, Alan Alan Neustadtl Department of Sociology University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 ALAN@BSS1.UMD.EDU From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 14:42:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:28:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:28:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!nooft.abb.no!Norway.EU.net!nac.no!nntp.uio.no!news.vu.lt!santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt!taluri From: taluri@tauras.vu.lt (Evaldas Taluri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 14:42:59 GMT Organization: LITNET Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3v88lj$9n0@tauras.vu.lt> References: <3ttr8v$aci@nlrgup.nlr.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of the possibilities is that kermit is set to 7 bit chars. Try make kermit transparent to 8 bit chars with set file type binary, set char-set transparent and similar commands. berg m. van den (mvdberg@nlr.nl) wrote: > Hello I'm using ckermit5A(190) on a unix system. This system also > has rz for zmodem protocol. According to file ckurzsz.ini it is > possible to use that program. So I "take" this ini file before > connecting to the BBS. On the BBS I give the command to download > a file with the ZMODEM protocol (this BBS doesn't support kermit). > After starting the transfer I return to the local kermit and enter > the rz command. This is what happens: > C-Kermit>rz > rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program > Incoming: flora.zip 88599 5377444470 100400 > Receiving flora.zip BIN w > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Bad CRC > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > C-Kermit> > You see nothing is to be transferred. What is wrong ? > What kind of configuration should I use? > BTW. I connect to this BBS via telnet to an outcall modem > connected at a cisco 500-cs. > Greetings, > Meindert van den Berg. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:34:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:34:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!dkuug!Norway.EU.net!nac.no!nntp.uio.no!news.vu.lt!santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt!taluri From: taluri@tauras.vu.lt (Evaldas Taluri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:49:19 GMT Organization: LITNET Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3v8chv$9n0@tauras.vu.lt> Nntp-Posting-Host: santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:44:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:03:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:03:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:44:13 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3v8c8d$1hg@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs1.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: >We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. >We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. >Does anyone have a solution for this ? Well, assuming you've modified the cols80.bat and cols132.bat files according to the instructions (this requires device-dependent programs. probably not something you want to impliment unless your users have identical video cards), the command: set terminal compressed-text text will force kermit to use the batch files to switch text mode to 132 columns. If this is not used, Kermit assumes that you want the graphics monitor to emulate 132 column text. The emulation only allows for 128 columns, though, so you'll lose the last 4 cols. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 05:44:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!bb324 From: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Subject: problem with ckermit using a vax Message-Id: Sender: bb324@freenet.carleton.ca (Chris Benjamin) Reply-To: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 05:44:47 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run vax/vms and it has ckermit. I wrote a .ini file to run while entering ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow. ive got set file type image set packet length 80 i think something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8 what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading? any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that would be great! chris -- I have found my calling in life. I am to be teh next Batman evil villian. My name you ask? Well, get this. I have dice, playing cards, a visor, and occasionally play the lottery. Who else would I be other than...... ========================>>> ThE GaMbLeR!! <<============================ Sorry to rain on the parade, but I'm getting a little sick of your self-absorbed postings. Is there a problem here? I know all about sz (and ZMODEM), etc., but what I need is a reliable telnet (or telecom) access to a file server, with an easy way to get the file server data back to my machine. Kermit 3.14 does that for me and more! Why are you so engrossed with nano-second differences between Kermit and ZMODEM; don't you see that they're both useful additions to the General Let's-Get-It of Life? Oh, well, feel free to flame me, but I'm just not that interested in ways to keep yourself alive via the i-net. Come on, let's see how we can *co-operate*, shall we? Best, Jay Jay Daly jay@bih.harvard.edu QuickDOC 45A Mason Terrace Phone: (617) 734-0918 Brookline, MA 02146 Fax: (617) 734-3154 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 23:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:40:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:40:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with ckermit using a vax Date: 27 Jul 1995 23:40:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3v984m$eq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Benjamin wrote: : : okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run : vax/vms and it has ckermit. I wrote a .ini file to run while entering : ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow. : ive got set file type image : set packet length 80 i think : something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8 : : what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading? : any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that would be great! : chris : Since this is such a frequently asked question, it is featured prominently in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 20:05:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 04:56:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 04:56:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ftpbox!mothost!mdisea!mmddvan!usenet From: Mike Kreykenbohm Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:05:38 GMT Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Richmond, BC Lines: 19 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: df16h.mdd.comm.mot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3C sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly. 2 problems: 1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server. 2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but the file contains many character zeros, some correct data. The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same as a DOS server. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 23:43:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:31:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:43:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: > >>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. > > To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, > there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news > groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. > It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking > in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to > use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this > feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? This question isn't relevant to the question of CPU loading. Controlling the ZMODEM window with the sz -w option is exactly that! An option. It can be used to enforce a high level flow control when lower levels of flow control are not set properly. It cal also be used to generate activity on the reverse channel to prevent idleout programs from fragging the transfer. It is not the default because it can reduce throughput in some situations. > >> Let's compare sz >>(a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: >> >>(38kb direct connect) >> >>ls -l *gif >>-rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif > > Um, perhaps Frank may comment on the validity of the rest of your > test, but > >>time kermit -s b17mh.gif > > tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might > account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted > gif file on the other end. > > I think the command you wanted was 'kermit -s b17mh.gif -i'. > > Also, did you have control character unprefixing set up for > C-Kermit? Excessive prefixing may also account for some CPU time. I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used for the Protocol Shootout. It is more aggressive (when sending to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows. It also disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode. > >>The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM > > Does this software not tell the user whether the file transfer is > taking place in BINARY or TEXT mode? (If it does Kermit transfers, > does it not process file attributes packets?) MS-Kermit puts the > transfer mode right up there on the screen, so if the transfer is > accidently started in the wrong mode, the user may observe that and > restart. The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 13:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:35:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:35:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment Date: 28 Jul 1995 13:35:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3vap2r$n0e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com>, Mike Kreykenbohm wrote: : I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle : a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment : interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it : to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly. : : 2 problems: : 1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it : is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any : appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server. : Backslash (\) is a special character to C-Kermit. Try: /bin/ls .\\*.ATR or /bin/ls .\{92}*.ATR : 2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but : the file contains many character zeros, some correct data. : Either your Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling Kermit client is faulty, or the original file does not contain what you think it contains, or you are transferring the file in binary mode instead of text more or vice versa. : The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS : compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . : : Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same : as a DOS server. : You will have to provide more details: settings, packet logs, etc. Send them to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 14:09:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:09:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 28 Jul 1995 14:09:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-Id: <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used >for the Protocol Shootout. It is more aggressive (when sending >to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows. > Just as I said in my response to the same posting. >It also disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode. > My goodness, what a terrible thing to say. Everybody knows that, because of differences in text-file format among different computers, that when transferring files between unlike systems (or, more precisely, systems that have different text-file formats), one must choose between text and binary mode. In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer") works for all files only when: (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF, stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files are stream, rather than record oriented, and: (b) Character-set conversion is not required. Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption. And that implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be used in the absence of a specific directive from the user. The rub, of course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer. For X/Y/ZMODEM, the default is binary, which can corrupt text files. For Kermit and FTP the default is text, which can corrupt binary files. It is a sad fact that ordinary users must know about matters such as these, but it is nevertheless a fact. Kermit's default dates back to the old days when most file transfers did, indeed, involve moving text between unlike systems. This is not the kind of default that one changes lightly, as we can see from FTP, which has been using the same default for over 20 years. However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file. Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all else, and... WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch into the appropriate mode automatically, ... WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text mode, therefore: BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary file-transfer mode by default. Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" and recompile :-) My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very appropriate time. >The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without >translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature >automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they >often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. > >Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit >implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will >appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. > I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit implementations, Chuck. You are one of the few remaining members of a dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than glossy, slick, superficial trash. You can quote me on that :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 16:55:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:55:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:55:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Text vs binary (was Re: Kermit download from...) Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:55:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vb4pa$8q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the >command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file. I think that covers it. >Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: > > WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past > 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost > uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all > else, and... Well, not quite. > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... Oh, I get it. This was intended as tongue-in-cheek? > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. I think you can predict my vote on such a resolution. Defaults need to be stable. The diverse mix of computers is still out there. Let's not get carried away. John Chandler author of Kermit-370 user of a diverse mix of computers From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 03:18:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:48:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:48:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux4.cso.uiuc.edu!scallon From: scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Brendan J. F. Scallon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 03:18:39 GMT Organization: Society for the Promotion of Cruelty to Anglos Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3291 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5341 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it like defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 but it will not run. -- Brendan John Francis Scallon When it comes to the net, I'm scallon@students.uiuc.edu similar to the thrilla in Manila Race: Other__Celtic__ http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~scallon From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 09:47:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:00:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:00:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jul 95 15:47:24 MDT References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> ... >> As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >>with the oldest Kermits. > > Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not > understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully. What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is the same. If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for other vendors. Joe D. > Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen > Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been > based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source > code made available to developers. Needless to say this code > has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance > performance and support various host systems. Newer Kermit > programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems. They also > required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on > the 198x Kermit protocol. > > -- > Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 > Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" > Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ > TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 09:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:01:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:01:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit killer text Message-Id: <1995Jul28.155728.57421@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jul 95 15:57:28 MDT References: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu>, fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes: > When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text > in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up. > > In vt100 mode, it's fine. > > Does anyone have an explanation? > > Thanks, > > Fredrik > > Subject: Re: Space ------- Under what conditions did it occur? We cannot see the binary values because Mail/News often does not preserve them (is not 8-bit clean). However, taking a guess, the string probably containts 8-bit control codes which require no action at the "terminal" until an ST control code is received to terminate them. Those would be standards defined control codes. It's in the Kermit manual. The quick cure is to press ALT = to perform a terminal reset. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 13:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:46:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:46:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:01:02 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > ... > As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >with the oldest Kermits. Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source code made available to developers. Needless to say this code has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance performance and support various host systems. Newer Kermit programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems. They also required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on the 198x Kermit protocol. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 08:04:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 04:25:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 04:25:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!news From: Jack.Bowling@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Bowling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 29 Jul 1995 08:04:12 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3vcq1s$fij@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jcbowling@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Bowling) Nntp-Posting-Host: line008.pg.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: > > WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past > 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost > uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all > else, and... > > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... > > WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software > to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text > or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch > into the appropriate mode automatically, ... > > WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often > difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary > mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text > mode, therefore: > > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. > >Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make >this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" >and recompile :-) > >My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very >appropriate time. > >>The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without >>translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature >>automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they >>often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. >> >>Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit >>implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will >>appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. >> >I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit >implementations, Chuck. You are one of the few remaining members of a >dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than >glossy, slick, superficial trash. You can quote me on that :-) > >- Frank Would not matter to me as long as the change is noted in the docs. Keep up the great work! Jack From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 16:02:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 07:04:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 07:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.spacecom.com!news From: Jharrell@uvsg.com (Jeff Harrell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:02:11 GMT Organization: Superstar Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com> Reply-To: jharrell@uvsg.com Nntp-Posting-Host: jharrell.uvsg.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ? Regards, Jeff W. Harrell jharrell@uvsg.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 08:59:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:41:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:41:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!utcvm.utc.edu!KCHEN From: KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with modem setup in Kermit! Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:59:46 EDT Organization: The University of Tennessee, Chattanooga Lines: 15 Message-Id: <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utcvm.utc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello to all! I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and would like to ask some of you for an opinion! Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however, every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc) my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give me a word of enlightening! Thanx!! Kuan Chen kchen@utcvm.utc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 15:49:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:43:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!news.rlcn.rl.af.mil!news From: Mark S Reichman Subject: kermit while using IBM DOS/drop carrier problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil> Sender: news@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: lg18.do.rl.af.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Rome Laboratory Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:49:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does kermit work with IBM DOS. I keep droppeing carrier when dialing through a modem. I connect and get a # sign, then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier. Other terminal emulations software connects ok. What up? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 17:15:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:32:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:31:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!athos.cc.bellcore.com!cc!wws From: wws@cc.bellcore.com (Wayne Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP or Slip & Kermit ??? Date: 28 Jul 1995 17:15:23 GMT Organization: Bellcore/SCP (2561) Lines: 14 Sender: wws%microjet@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne Scott) Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vb5vb$qqu@athos.cc.bellcore.com> Reply-To: wws@cc.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.96.142.109 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks: This may be a naive quesiton, but, is there a way to establish SLIP or PPP sessions using Kermit on a SUN Solaris 2.3 (SPARC 5) system? If so, does it allow one to interface with SecurID prompts? I've poked around an FAQ and recent Kermit literature, but ... Thanks, Wayne ---------------------------------------------- wws@cc.bellcore.com I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 19:38:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:24:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:24:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!io.UWinnipeg.ca!clark From: Jim Clark Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple Connects to Same Port Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:38:32 -0500 Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 25 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to different accounts on same machine) without going through the set port tcp address repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by Kermit? I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one. Related question is whether one can select specified connection once multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections with the n method? Best wishes Jim **************************************************************************** James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A CANADA **************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 10:18:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:55:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:55:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Connects to Same Port Message-Id: <1995Jul29.161817.57488@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jul 95 16:18:17 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark writes: > Hi > > Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to > different accounts on same machine) without going through the > > set port tcp address > > repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by > Kermit? I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just > indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one. > > Related question is whether one can select specified connection once > multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections > with the n method? ------------- SET PORT TCP is often encapsulated in macro TELNET as def telnet set port tcp \%1 \%2 The second argument is for a port number (default 23, Telnet) and can also be N for New session. Telnet thatplace n. SHOW SESSION will show active and remembered sessions, then telnet or set port tcp works when the digit picks the session number from Show Session. It's in the release docs. Otherwise there is no syntax to say start a new session to the same place (as there may be several "same places" active on the session list). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 10:21:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:56:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Message-Id: <1995Jul29.162138.57490@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jul 95 16:21:38 MDT References: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net>, RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) writes: > We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a > modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell > kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help > would be appreciated. ----------- There isn't an Int 14h protocol, to use the words precisely. There are a number of interfaces which use Int 14h and different command sets. MSK supports several and the two of interest to you are probably SET PORT BIOS for IBM PC Bios serial cmds, SET PORT 3COM(BAPI) for BAPI. It's in the manual. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 00:09:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:27:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:27:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:09:05 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >> In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>> ... >>> As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >>>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >>>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >>>with the oldest Kermits. >> >> Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not >> understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. > > Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. > Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully. > What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe >code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have >done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is >the same. Talk about slamming people in public! Doupnik's claim that I *SWIPED* (as in stole) code from C Kermit is an unfounded, scurrilous libel on my honesty and business ethics. I demand an immediate public retraction and apology. The Kermit support in Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is based on the SuperKermit "The Source" code which, in fact, I helped develop. Despite Frank's attempted revision of historical fact, this code was offered royalty-free to developers of general purpose comms programs to entice them to add SuperKermit to their products. > If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then >we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for >other vendors. > Joe D. As Doupnik conveniently forgets, it was a problem with Columbia Kermit, not Professional-YAM, that started this thread. And, yes Joe, there was a change in the Kermit spec. The original Kermit spec called for quoting of *all* control characters. Professional-YAM customers were having problems downloading from certain systems that were inserting control characters into Kermit packets. So I modified the Kermit code in Professional-YAM to ignore out of spec control characters within Kermit packets, and the customers were able to use Kermit in their environment. It shouldn't take a protocol wizard to realize how Franks' recent changes to Kermit would break code that was written to the older Kermit spec. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 29 00:30:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:30:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:30:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!fox.almaden.ibm.com!garlic.com!garlic.com!not-for-mail From: chrisj@tufted.puffin.com (Chris Jewell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm Subject: MacKermit throughput Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Jul 1995 17:30:06 -0700 Organization: Chris & Jan's house, Hollister CA Lines: 29 Sender: chrisj@garlic.com Message-Id: <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com> Reply-To: chrisj@tufted.puffin.com (Chris Jewell) Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.garlic.com Summary: Is MacKermit tuneable for optimum throughput? Keywords: MacKermit throughput tuning Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3304 comp.sys.mac.comm:116477 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem. I recall that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like. From time to time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except perhaps from Chuck Forsberg ) that complaints about Kermit performance result from using commercial commware that contains old, out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc., and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay attention to tuning. Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an up-to-date protocol engine in it, and thus is tunable to near-optimum throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow implementations? I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information. Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth. For those whose R keys don't work (or who don't like to use them), I'll also watch netnews for followups. Thank you. -- Chris Jewell chrisj@puffin.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 05:27:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:40:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:40:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!btnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 05:27:55 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > ... >> WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type >> of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... > >Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these days. That's because so many "text" files are not quite ANSI files with formats of their own. Perhaps we should not call a file a text file unless it only contains printable characters, with a maximum 80 or 132 line width, and no control characters other than CR/LF (or NL) and TAB. The more one objects to this definition the more one proves the point. Perhaps the future lines in programs that accept either text format, including most C compilers, less, and the Stevie editor for DOS. (Oh yes, and the Professional-YAM script interpreter!) Do people have problems with FTP's file corruption mode default? In many situations it's not the default. When it was, as when FTP-ing new Chicago builds from Microsoft's NT server, it caused its share of grief. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 21:51:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:14:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:14:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:51:10 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 13:05:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!arrakis!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 30 Jul 95 13:05:49 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 10 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: arrakis.cc.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu? I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me. Thanks. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support/Administrator - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:47:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:47:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with modem setup in Kermit! Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:47:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3vg61r$pq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu>, wrote: : I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and : would like to ask some of you for an opinion! : : Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect : to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing : is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however, : every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc) : my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just : freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give : me a word of enlightening! Thanx!! : You should approach your own tech support people at UTCVM first. They know the setup, the people on the net don't. If they are providing you with Kermit software, then they definitely should also provide the support. Then, if they have questions, they can come to the central Kermit help desk. Everybody's time is used much more efficiently that way. Also, you did not provide any information about what kind of computer you are using, which operating system, or which Kermit program and version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:49:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:50:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:50:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit while using IBM DOS/drop carrier problem Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:49:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3vg66i$pri@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil>, Mark S Reichman wrote: : Does kermit work with IBM DOS. I keep droppeing carrier : when dialing through a modem. I connect and get a # sign, : then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier. : Other terminal emulations software connects ok. What up? : Kermit works fine with PC DOS. The current version is 3.14. If you install it properly and read the directions, you should not have any problems. If, after doing so, then get back with some specifics. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is available as follows: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:52:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:52:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:52:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:52:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3vg6bv$ptt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MPE, HP-3000 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com>, Jeff Harrell wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ? > I don't know about Zmodem, but Kermit software is available for the HP-3000 series with MPE via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/d, text mode, files hp3*.*. I don't know what MPE xi is, but if it is only a new version of MPE, then, hopefully, these versions (which are less than two years old) whould work OK. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 15:07:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:07:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:07:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm Subject: Re: MacKermit throughput Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:07:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-Id: <3vg77r$qef@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MacKermit throughput tuning Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3311 comp.sys.mac.comm:116557 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com>, Chris Jewell wrote: : Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit : to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem. I recall : that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance : problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like. From time to : time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except : perhaps from Chuck Forsberg ) that complaints about Kermit : performance result from using commercial commware that contains old, : out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust : the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc., : and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia : U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something : close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay : attention to tuning. : : Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an : up-to-date protocol engine in it... : Yes, it does. : ... and thus is tunable to near-optimum : throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow : implementations? : No, it doesn't. : I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of : registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if : MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly : happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information. : : Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth. : No need for that, this is the definitive answer. While Mac Kermit might not be among our premiere implementations, it is at least up to date with respect to the protocol engine. It lags behind in the Mac-specific aspects, due to a chronic shortage of capable volunteer Macintosh programmers and the ever-changing nature of the Macintosh platform and OS themselves. Thus, if you can get it to work at all on your Mac (it does on most), and if you can make it transfer files at all (the latest "non-releases" do), then you should be able to tune it optimally. Here is the current canned blurb describing Mac Kermit: CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. As of June 3, 1995, there is also a version modified to use the Communications Toolbox if available, which hopefully should eliminate a lot of the problems people have been reporting concerning "Problem closing RAM serial driver", etc, as well as problems finding and using some of the more unusual types of communication ports on newer Mac models. The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Mac Kermit files: ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself The June 3 Communications Toolbox Test version is in: kermit/mac/mackermit.hqx. UnBinHex it and then you have a self-extracting archive (SEA), which you can click on to unpack into the Kermit app. Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 15:13:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:13:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:13:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:13:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Budi Rahardjo wrote: >Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu? >I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me. > There are no illegal mirror sites, at least not presently. What is illegal is when a CDROM manufacturer / distributor makes a CDROM from an ftp site that has Kermit software on it and sells it or distributes it in any other way without the permission of the Kermit software copyright holder. We don't have the resources to police ftp mirror sites, so you're on your own as to finding one that will provide you with up-to-date, complete versions of the software. If you have problems with Kermit software that you obtain from a mirror site, don't ask us about it because we don't know what you got and we don't have the time to research it. There is no reason why you should not be able to reach kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your local network administration what the problem is. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 23:42:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:16:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:16:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!isar.de!news.cube.net!nasim!not-for-mail From: knarf@nasim.cube.net (Frank Bartels) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 31 Jul 1995 01:42:32 +0200 Organization: The Sunsite for ATARI-Friends Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vh5d8$o04@nasim.nasim.cube.net> References: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nasim.nasim.cube.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3313 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5486 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: > I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with > running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it > like > > defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 > > but it will not run. define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line) define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line) Bye, Knarf -- Frank Bartels | UUCP/ZModem/Fax: + 49 89 5469593 | MiNT is knarf@nasim.cube.net | Login: nuucp Index: /pub/ls-lR.nasim.gz | Now TOS! From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 00:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:49:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!misc.twics.com!usenet From: dkanagy@twics.com (Dan Kanagy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 09:23:00 +0900 Organization: WordWise Inc., Tokyo, Japan Lines: 42 Message-Id: References: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Reply-To: dkanagy@twics.com Nntp-Posting-Host: a16.dial.twics.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu>, gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl) wrote: | Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting | to automate a login to our university annex server. I am trying to | use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password: | strings. [...snip...] As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem. I'm trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC. I can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to the login process. The remote host also sends about 300 bytes of text before it gets to what I'm trying to match in the input statement. I've logged my session and the text I want to match is there but input isn't finding it. I've also logged in with debug and there are no unusual hidden characters to cause problems--just the occasional ^M and ^J. No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is. FWIW, the relevant portion of the script is input 10 (1-2,q) if failure - end 1 No prompt and my logged session is: [27 ^Js followed by] Please choose one of the following, then press RETURN. If you have any difficulty connecting, use our alternate access number, (03) 3351-8244. 1. Information (Username: Guest) 2. Access Twics Host Computer Enter Selection (1-2,q) Yes, I've bought *Using C-Kermit* and I'm glad I did. There's no other way to get the most out of kermit, in my opinion. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dan Kanagy Work: wordwise@netcom.com Play: dkanagy@twics.com Tokyo, Japan dkanagy@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 03:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:42:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:42:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!access2.digex.net!cmilton From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Creative Labs Modem Blaster 28.8 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:41:06 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access2.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone ever written a script for max baud/bps connection, etc., for this modem?? Using MS-Kermit 3.14r9 and/or NetManage Chameleon. --- Christopher M Milton cmilton@access.digex.net BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989 Arlington (VA) Central Library (703) 358-5945 http://www.access.digex.net/~cmilton From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 31 00:30:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:19:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:19:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 30 Jul 1995 19:30:20 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. AMEN!!! Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion. He's apparently afraid that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening... -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 12:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file Date: 31 Jul 1995 12:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3vii4i$1cg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dan Kanagy wrote: : : As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem. I'm : trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC. I : can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to : the login process. ... : No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is. : Take another look at the VMSLOGIN script. Notice how it handles VMS's "What Are You?" query to the terminal. At present (though not necessarily in the future), it is a cardinal principle that Kermit's terminal emulator is not active except when executing the CONNECT command. Thus, anything the terminal emulator would have had to do during an interactive login must be done by your script. Here is the relevant fragment from the current version of VMSLOGIN: minput 20 \27Z \27[c,- xif success { - out \27[\?1c,- in 2 [6n,- if succ out \27[24;80R - } else { out \13},- (By the way, this version has hardwired values for terminal ID and screen size, which could be fixed to reflect the actual terminal ID and screen size.) If you have further trouble with VMSLOGIN'ing, send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 12:06:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:12:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:12:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!revco.med.yale.edu!revco From: Jim Revkin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialout permissions/ck/solaris2.4 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:06:44 -0400 Organization: Yale University Lines: 19 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: revco.med.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to access the dialout device /dev/cu/a. When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on. If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout. Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip. What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that both applications use the same device identifier. Please respond to: james.revkin@yale.edu thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 16:17:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:00:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!arrakis!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 31 Jul 95 16:17:39 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 26 Message-Id: References: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: arrakis.cc.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ... : There is no reason why you should not be able to reach : kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There : are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your : local network administration what the problem is. The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session. I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm... was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken. Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites (ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit. PS: I've been patient and trying to do this for a week :-( I'll try again. Thanks for your response. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support/Administrator - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 00:14:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialout permissions/ck/solaris2.4 Date: 1 Aug 1995 00:14:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3vjrl4$1gt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Revkin wrote: : When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular : user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to : access the dialout device /dev/cu/a. When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a : it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on. : : If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout. : : Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip. : : What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using : kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that : both applications use the same device identifier. : If the lock directory or the dialout device is protected against "world", then either their protections must be changed or Kermit must be installed setuid or setgid. This is thoroughly documented in the UNIX appendix of the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the installation notes, ckuins.doc, that come with the software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 00:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:19:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:19:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 1 Aug 1995 00:19:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vjruv$1sa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Budi Rahardjo wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : ... : : There is no reason why you should not be able to reach : : kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There : : are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your : : local network administration what the problem is. : : The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected : a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session. : I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no : route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm... : was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken. : Not our fault! The Internet has problems from time to time -- you lucky folks in Canada might not realize it, but most of the USA has been engulfed in a terrible heat wave for the past three weeks, which is causing even worse problems than occasional Internet disruptions :-) : Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites : (ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit. : No, there is presently no official mirror site. We have no control over what other sites do, so you take your chances with them. That is not to say that none of them does a good job, only that we simply do not know and don't have the time to research it, nor to keep up with it on a daily basis, which is what would be required. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 23:54:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:55:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:55:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news01.aud.alcatel.com!seas.smu.edu!!mahsu From: mahsu@news.uta.edu.uta.edu (Mr. C. P. Hsu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! install Kermit on linux Date: 31 Jul 1995 23:54:39 GMT Organization: University of Texas Arlington Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utacnvx.uta.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, everybody, I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed linux(486DX33). I have no idea about how to fix it. I'll appreciate if someone could tell me how to solve this problem. Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A: Making C-Kermit "5A(190)" for Linux... For FSSTND-recommended UUCP lockfiles, use: make linux "KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND Use "make linuxtcp" to add TCP/IP support. Read comments in makefile for additional options. make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \ " "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" ... make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kermit' gcc -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \ ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \ ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \ ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lncurses -ltermcap lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto' lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here make[1]: *** [wermit] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kermit' make: *** [linux] Error 2 Thanks. C. P. Hsu Math Dept. U. of Texas @ Arlington mahsu@utacnvx.uta.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 21:05:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:51:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:51:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Scott <75324.1301@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Help With PaPer Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:05:46 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3vjgja$6rf$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu High School student needs help with finding info on kermit for paper..Please send any info. Thanks scott From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 02:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:06:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:06:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! install Kermit on linux Date: 1 Aug 1995 02:06:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3vk276$60q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu>, Mr. C. P. Hsu wrote: : I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed : linux(486DX33). I have no idea about how to fix it. I'll appreciate : if someone could tell me how to solve this problem. : : Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A: : ... : " "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" : ... : lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto' : lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here : Evidently you have to be real careful about which curses library is used. I think it depends on your Linux distribution -- different packagers use different curses libraries. The general rule is: if -lncurses doesn't work, try -lcurses, and vice versa. Maybe also remove -ltermcap. If all else fails, remove both, and also remove -DCK_CURSES from CFLAGS. If anybody understands what is going on better than I do, please report back to me so I can update the installation instructions. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 1 01:43:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:59:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:59:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:43:08 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vk0rc$eq2@panix.com> References: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>, Dylan Mackay wrote: >I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What >I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in >which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It >cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else >it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of >error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the >receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish >whether the transmission was corrupted or not. I believe you are trying to describe error-correcting codes rather than communication protocols. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 1 00:22:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:28:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:28:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: opel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Mackay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 31 Jul 1995 17:22:38 -0700 Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 35 Sender: opel@leland.stanford.edu (Dylan Mackay) Message-Id: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: elaine30.stanford.edu Summary: Looking for a File transfer protocol Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish whether the transmission was corrupted or not. I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted, and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte. Unfortunately, this would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct them in any way. If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way transmission, I'd like to hear about it. Does such a protocol exist? Is there some kind of a standard? Where can I find out about it? Please mail any responses to opel@leland.stanford.edu. Also please understand that I am a bit of a novice on the issues surrounding file transfers (if it's not obvious from the questions that I'm asking...). Thanks in advance, Dylan Mackay opel@leland.stanford.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:39:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 04:16:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 04:16:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit killer text Message-Id: <1995Jul27.203908.99464@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 27 Jul 95 20:39:07 CDT References: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks. I *REALLY* wanted to have my terminal lock up. Why didn't you quote it or something? Frank, Joe, Jeff, &c. are perfectly capable of testing strings like this. You didn't need to give all of us a real-world test, especially since many of us here have NO CLUE as to how to fix this. Besides, where did you find such a f****d up string in the first place? If anybody else follows up on this, please delete the offending string. Back to vt320 mode, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 07:24:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:00:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:00:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!news-1a.csn.net!perez From: perez@oldcolo.com (Carlos Perez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 31 Jul 1995 07:24:35 GMT Organization: Old Colorado City Communications (oldcolo.com - login "newuser") Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.160.122.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V, release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell since I normally dial-up to this machine from home). I ran "make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up fine. I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell account. My problem: I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP, GET, etc.). It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client thru the terminal server. I know the problem is not with MS Kermit because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running Unix. Anyone have any thoughts as to what could be wrong? -- Carlos (perez@oldcolo.com) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 08:24:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:26:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:26:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: setting up kermit to auto-answer? Date: 1 Aug 1995 08:24:10 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality. I'd like to be able to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it. I want to know how I should configure the remote PC? I assume I have to set up it's modem to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening on the appropriate com port. Can I do this using kermit alone or do I need BBS software? Are there any scripts or pointers available to do this? From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:19:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:19:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:19:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:19:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3vl652$70o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net>, Carlos Perez wrote: : I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V, : release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell : since I normally dial-up to this machine from home). I ran : "make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up : fine. I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell : account. : : My problem: I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files : using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP, : GET, etc.). It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client : thru the terminal server. I know the problem is not with MS Kermit : because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running : Unix. : There is not enough information here to supply an answer. However, the Dell version has been well tested and works fine. Try "set parity space" on both ends. If that doesn't do it, read the manual, the "beware file", etc. If that doesn't help, send email to kermit@columbia.edu with details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:29:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:29:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:29:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3vl6mp$76v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>, Dylan Mackay wrote: : I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What : I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in : which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It : cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else : it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of : error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the : receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish : whether the transmission was corrupted or not. : : I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted, : and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte. Unfortunately, this : would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct : them in any way. If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way : transmission, I'd like to hear about it. : : Does such a protocol exist? Is there some kind of a standard? Where : can I find out about it? : It's called "forward error correction". The problem has been considered in some depth by scientists in the space program: (a) Obtain an advanced degree in mathematics. (b) Learn about Hamming codes. (c) Learn about Bose-Chaudhouri-Hocquengham codes. (d) Find papers on the fifty or so more advanced techniques developed since then. Not for the faint of heart. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:33:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:33:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:33:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up kermit to auto-answer? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:33:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vl6v7$7b5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: : I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality. I'd like to be able : to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it. I want to know : how I should configure the remote PC? I assume I have to set up it's modem : to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening : on the appropriate com port. Can I do this using kermit alone or do I : need BBS software? : You can do it using Kermit alone, but this does not give you a DOS session or menu on the remote side, in case that's what you were looking for. It gives you a Kermit server, to which the client can send file management (DIR, CD, etc) and transfer commands. It includes security features. Of course, this can be menued to death on the client end. See Chapters 10 and 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 20:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:28:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:28:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:26:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bud Huber wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, >>>Joseph Huber wrote: >>>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >[snip, snip...] >>and demand a fair >[snip to end.] > >Dear Chuck, Dear Bud, Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no longer be necessary for me and others to respond. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 00:33:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:33:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:33:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Date: 2 Aug 1995 00:33:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article , Bud Huber wrote: >>Dear Chuck, >[snip snip] > >Dear Bud, > >Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit >are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and >incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no >longer be necessary for me and others to respond. > This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both Chuck and me. I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names around, and it applies equally to Kermit. Perhaps the real question is "what constitutes an attack"? Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they thought it should have compared it with. We could go on and on about this forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it was intrinsically slow. I think the article achieved its purpose, and I do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense. If it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the software with which Kermit was compared. The article is very explicit about this. In any case, it's been two years. Let's bury the hatchet. I think we can all live in a world in which there are two major competing file transfer protocols (not counting FTP :-), each one with its own strengths and weaknesses, each with its own preferred (default) tuning and set of assumptions behind that tuning, each with its own appeal to different segments of the world's people. I don't want to destroy ZMODEM -- I want everybody to realize that the two protocols are pretty much on a par with one another when examined objectively, rather than one (ZMODEM) being so far superior to Kermit that one would only turn to Kermit as a "last resort". If we can all agree on that, then there is room for gentlepersonly disagreement about details: what are the most appropriate default tunings for various audiences and why, and on a more theoretical level about windowing strategies, error recovery characteristics, and so forth (as if anybody cares), but there should be no need for acrimony or fighting over table scraps. In any case, I think that both Chuck and I have demonstrated our respective abilities to hold our ground - there will never be a clear victor or vanquished, so why bother? And truth be told, there are far greater threats to Omen and ZMODEM than Kermit, and vice versa. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 21:28:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:28:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!interaccess!d117.nnb.interaccess.com!fgug From: fgug@interaccess.com (Frank Gugliuzza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:48:52 Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: d117.nnb.interaccess.com Keywords: Script X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Nubea here, I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I have already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it connects to the BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my Output commands. I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but the results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the system still does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 02:05:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:55:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:54:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!ve6bc!camrose!bjorndahl From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca (Sterling Bjorndahl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 and Vax/CMU 6.6-5a don't work together Message-Id: <1995Jul26.080514.12366@camrose> Date: 26 Jul 95 08:05:14 MDT Organization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using a tcp/ip connection between MS-Kermit 3.14 (packet drivers) and a Vax with CMU-TEK tcp/ip 6.6-5a, the connection freezes after about two minutes of usage (terminal emulation) without error message. Attempting to Hangup results in a computer lockup. MS-Kermit 3.13 works just fine, and MS-K 3.14 connects to Vaxes with other vms tcp/ip's just fine. No other software that I have tried has failed to connect to the CMU machine. We are running IPX as well as IP, in case that makes a difference. I don't know how to go about tracking this down, so advice or suggestions would be appreciated. I would even be glad to offer to any volunteer debugger a guest account on our Vax to try it out. Here's an extract from a typical autoexec.bat entry: > LH /L:2,11136 c:\exp16 0x60 > LH /L:1,4144 c:\winpkt 0x60 (not in all configurations that fail) > LH /L:2,27024 c:\pdipx > c:\netx /ps=lab_server_1 As I say, this continues to work just fine with 3.13. -- Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1516 When dealing with computers, a little paranoia is usually appropriate. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 22:31:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:02:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:02:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!usenet From: you@somehost.somedomain (gdgf) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: i lost kermit Date: 1 Aug 1995 22:31:22 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3vm9vq$ibk@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 139.103.48.112 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I lost my kermit! Help me find him! Please! You know who you are? You better not hurt him? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 18:04:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:04:17 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: bhuber@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, >>Joseph Huber wrote: >>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: [snip, snip...] >and demand a fair [snip to end.] Dear Chuck, Your tirades, be they justified or not, are of no interest to me. I continue to read this particular bulletin board so that I can keep current and learn how better to utilize Kermit. You seem to be of the opinion that the topic is of the ilk or perhaps . To my way of thinking, the topic is quite clear and of interest to me; your comments are off-focus, negative, and not worthy of my time. You can "demand" what you wish, but don't look for support from me. While it is your prerogative to post whatever you wish, I have to tell you that anytime I see either your name or Xmodem or Ymodem or Zmodem or ... , I think bad thoughts. Whether or not that is your intended goal, that is the end result of your mindset and writing style. People generally get recognized for what they have accomplished, not what/who they tear down (unless you are a politician running for office, a lawyer, or some such cretin!). You may have done great things in your life, but I'm not willing to give you any of my time to help me understand what those accomplishments may be -- unless and until you come from a more constructive viewpoint. Best wishes, Bud Huber P.S., I am in no way related to the Joseph Huber who has also responded to your postings. -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 13:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:51:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:48:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS Date: 2 Aug 1995 13:48:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 94 Message-Id: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Script Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank Gugliuzza wrote: >I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I >have already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it >connects to the BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my >Output commands. > >I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but >the results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the >system still does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X. > It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Although Kermit script programs are easier to write than, say, C or Fortran programs, when writing programs in any language you need a reference until you are proficient enough to work without it. To summarize very briefly, first make sure sure that you can do everything manually. Then write down what you did in the form of a script program. Replace the CONNECT command by a series of: OUTPUT blah ; what I type INPUT n blah ; how the computer is supposed to respond within n secs IF FAIL blah ; what to do if it doesn't Use SET TAKE ECHO ON and SET INPUT ECHO ON to debug. Please consult the manual for details. The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, "MS-Kermit Nyumon", Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. Publisher's address: Abe-toku Building, 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan. Tel. +81-3-3256-1091. Price 1,800 Yen + tax. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 19:43:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:52:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:52:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:43:46 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3ve3f2$7ae@insosf1.netins.net> References: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) wrote: >We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a >modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell >kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help >would be appreciated. >Thanks in advance, >Rick Luhman Well, I think that I have answered part of my own question. This morning, I downloaded the latest Kermit 3.14 build, loaded that onto my PC and at the kermit prompt I typed in Set Port Bios3. This gave me a connection in which I was presented a choice of connecting to the console (the unit that has a connection to a supervisor PC, an ethernet connection to the LAN, and a connection to our modem) or connecting to the X.25 line. I selected the X.25 line and pressed enter. This gave me a description of my current settings and told me to press enter if these were OK. However, pressing enter gave no results. Presumably what should have happened is that after pressing enter I should have been able to type in the X.121 address of our host and make a connection to the host. Does anybody have any suggestions? Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 20:52:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:39:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 29 Jul 1995 20:52:20 GMT From: MariaGenn@aol.com Sender: daemon@cass.ma02.bull.com Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <950729165152_43560388@aol.com> Control: cancel <950729165152_43560388@aol.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 21:47:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:10:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 29 Jul 1995 16:47:33 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer") >works for all files only when: > > (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF, > stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files > are stream, rather than record oriented, and: > > (b) Character-set conversion is not required. > >Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or >binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption. And that >implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be >used in the absence of a specific directive from the user. The rub, of >course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer. But, since kermits exchange some initialization information before the transfer, it would be quite possible for them to know when case (a) applies. All you would have to to is assign a code for each of the types of conversions that kermit does when going from local to canonical text (probably 4 common ones...) and send this as part of the initialization codes. If the remote and local codes are identical, skip the text transformations and do everything in binary mode unless you have been told to do character-set conversion. This would take care of the most common case these days where you are transferring among like systems, and the fall-back for kermits that don't send a code or send an unknown code would be to use the current behaviour with a warning the BINARY/TEXT should be set explicitly. How many calls do you get about this problem? How many people give up on kermit because their files end up corrupted? It would also make sense to give a warning when one end has binary mode set and the other has text mode. It's really too bad that no one has established a standard for binary storage of text so it could be labeled by the originating system as to the character set and line/record ending conventions so files could be moved around without the transport having to do the conversions (i.e. by network file services, diskettes, tape, etc.). MIME comes close and gets character sets right, but it doesn't really address the local storage conventions for text, so you still can't arbitrarily move files around without twiddling at the transport layer. > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these days. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:04:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:07:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:07:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:04:50 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3vqoii$96r@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3vh5d8$o04@nasim.nasim.cube.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs2.cis.pitt.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3342 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5655 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: > I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with > running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it > like > defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 Now there's your problem. Once you've defiled the sz program, it's not gonna work until you've undone your wrongs. Delete the old rz/sz, hose down the machine with industrial solvent (disconnect the power first, we practice safe computing around here), have the hardware blessed by Chuck (you never can be too careful), spend a day in meditation, contemplating the cruelty of defiling software, then attempt a fresh build of the zmodem software. If that doesn't work, you may want to look at your command syntax. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 "Caffeine is one of the many substances that have been shown to cause laboratory experiments involving rats." -Dave Barry From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:49:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:58:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:58:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.spacecom.com!news From: PYUEN@UVSG.COM (PETER YUEN) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to install kermit on HP-3000 Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:49:12 GMT Organization: SUPERSTAR SATELLITE ENTERTAINMENT Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3vqr5o$n9j@ds9.spacecom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuan.uvsg.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need help on installing kermit on HP3000. I get a copy of HP3000 kermit from Columbia University in my PC. How do I installing it to HP and which one is the prog? Can this kermit allow the HP to dail a modem through a modem port and connect to a remote PC and do file transfer from the HP to the PC. Peter From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:04:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:14:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:14:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ts-b.bcc.ac.uk!uctljcw From: uctljcw@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Jevon C White) Subject: Problems with a Kermit script Message-Id: <1995Aug3.150441.32980@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:04:41 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I seem to be having problems with a Kermit script and wondered if anybody out there could help me. I am using tcp/ip access to reach to telnet.ja.net. My problem comes on exiting. I would like the script to do error checking but I can't seem to get it to look for the right stuff so that it quits properly. Could anybody willing to spend a little time to help please e-mail directly so that I do not waste everybody else's bandwidth sending a copy of the script to the newsgroup? AdvTHANKSance. Jevon White Computing Support Officer Faculty of Laws, U.C.L. E-Mail: j.white@ucl.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:22:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:59:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:59:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!news1.boi.hp.com!sbutler From: sbutler@boi.hp.com (Sylvan Butler) Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:22:09 GMT Reply-To: sbutler@boi.hp.com References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs972.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.2] Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote: >The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with >my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The ... >blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact >with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the It sounds like the computer is not receiving any data from the modem, which may be because the irq isn't working, or perhaps the data just isn't getting from the modem to the serial port (if external a cable may be bad, internal then it is bad). Does the modem work properly with other software? Double check that the irq is set properly for the modem/serial port. Double check that the irq doesn't conflict with anything else. sdb -- | Sylvan Butler | Not speaking for Hewlett-Packard | sbutler@boi.hp.com | "Don't Tread On Me!" From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 23:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:46:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:46:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!ia.mks.com!zephyr!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 2 Aug 1995 23:44:36 GMT Organization: University of California at Santa Barbara Lines: 19 Message-Id: <9531reic-0208951653500001@128.111.124.34> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.111.124.34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, claude@nickel.laurentian.ca wrote: 128. Does Yes I have had this problem on the macintosh how do set it to 132 char? Julianne Reich 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 03:54:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:06:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:06:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!cswu From: cswu@unlv.edu (Changshi Wu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: HELP:auto download file using KERMIT Date: 4 Aug 1995 03:54:28 GMT Organization: UNLV College of Engineering Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3vs5lk$ou0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mabon.isri.unlv.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3347 comp.protocols.misc:4878 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, all. i am new to use c-kermit, could somebody here tell me how to write a simple script to dial up a remote machine, login and get a file and logout? since our project need to transfer the same file every 15 minutes, that is why i need a script to do that. we need to get this thing done a.s.a.p, and the c-kermit manual hasn't arrived yet :<. thanks ahead for your help. -- --- Changshi Wu Information Science Research Institute cswu@isri.unlv.edu University of Nevada, Las Vegas cswu@aurora.nscee.edu Phone: 702-895-4573(O) 702-242-0721(H) Point your WWW browser to: From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 05:00:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:26:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!col.hp.com!csn!news-1a.csn.net!perez From: perez@oldcolo.com (Carlos Perez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 4 Aug 1995 05:00:30 GMT Organization: Old Colorado City Communications (oldcolo.com - login "newuser") Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3vs9he$p12@news-2.csn.net> References: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> <3vl652$70o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.160.122.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : There is not enough information here to supply an answer... : - Frank Thanks for your help, but that is all the information I have. Ckermit compiles fine, starts up fine, but file transfers simply hang. No error messages, no anything at all. set parity space doesn't seem to have any affect. FWIW, this system has an old version of kermit that does work. The version information for this old versions is 5A(179) BETA for AT&T System V/386 R4. I'll keep poking around, again thanks. -- Carlos From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 08:49:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 4 Aug 1995 08:49:53 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some providers do use or not use them.... The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for downloading files from CIS is: - Don't try it? - You are out of luck. - better not try it. If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the Internet. It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) Thanks Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 17:04:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pegasus.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu (Red Barchetta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 2 Aug 1995 13:04:53 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.rutgers.edu Keywords: modem,kermit,connect Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank. The cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen. If I type something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the problem could be? This is the first time I have used any type of comm. software, but I followed the directions I was given. I am probably just missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks... Red From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 15:39:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:39:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:39:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 4 Aug 1995 15:39:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3vtevl$4fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: modem,kermit,connect Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu>, Red Barchetta wrote: : I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, : and consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to : come up with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. : : The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact : with my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank : screen. The blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen : is blank. : So you are using MS-DOS Kermit? Please read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file. "Can Talk But Not Listen Syndrome". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:27:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:47:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 4 Aug 1995 10:27:39 -0400 Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pcnet1.pcnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu INTRO: I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2. (I have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.) WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2 system. SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems. No change to defaults for SET FILE LABEL. I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the archives directory at Columbia. WHAT I EXPECTED: EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended attributes on a FAT volume. WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it, as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs. QUESTIONS: I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did. I would appreciate clarification. Also, the VMS material makes reference to the CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS. Does an equivalent exist for OS/2? It does not appear to be in the distribution. -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | pelletie@pcnet.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 06:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:24:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:24:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 5 Aug 1995 06:24:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com>, enCycLoPedic wrote: >INTRO: I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2. (I >have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the >section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.) > >WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one >OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2 >system. SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems. No change to defaults for >SET FILE LABEL. I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the >archives directory at Columbia. That is exactly what you are supposed to do, and what I just tested using two machines connected via a serial connection. >WHAT I EXPECTED: EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA >DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended >attributes on a FAT volume. Correct. This is what you should expect. >WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it, >as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs. The receiver was definitely not in LABELED mode. The receiver was probably in BINARY mode. This is how a LABELED file would be stored in that situation. >QUESTIONS: I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how >labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did. I would >appreciate clarification. Also, the VMS material makes reference to the >CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS. Does an >equivalent exist for OS/2? It does not appear to be in the >distribution. Do us both a favor and try a simple test. Perform the file transfer again this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens. Again, I just tested this by sending about a dozen files with EAs from one HPFS system to a FAT system with no problems. As far as a CKOCVT program goes, no there isn't one. However, on a single machine you can use two C-Kermits connected via NAmed Pipes to perform the translation for you. See the CKERMIT.INF file for more info on LABELED mode and Named Pipes. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 15:06:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 03:08:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 03:08:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:06:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, Joseph Huber wrote: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >>It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. > >AMEN!!! > >Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion. He's apparently afraid >that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees >the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening... I don't attack Kermit at every opportunity. But I do respond in self defense to incorrect attacks on ZMODEM. As long as Columbia University et al insist on attacking ZMODEM, either directly or by referring readers to their alleged "True-Life Benchmarks" article I shall continue to provide a second opinion and demand a fair, supervised, public rerun of Columbia's tests. Please refer to knews*.zip at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem for details. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 13:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!news.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!alex.ecs.umass.edu!langlois From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OUTPUT and numbers Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:13:03 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3vqi0v$loo@risky.ecs.umass.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: alex.ecs.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm writing a dialing script, and cannot seem to OUTPUT a number (as opposed to text) when the terminal server needs it. Is there a backslash character for this? -- Phil ___________________________________________________________ Philip M. Langlois (langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu) Research Engineer From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 13:08:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!johnp From: johnp@hpuerci.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:08:56 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vqhp8$16m@hpuerci.atl.hp.com> References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuerci.atl.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and : consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up : with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. : The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with : my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The : blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank. The : cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen. If I type : something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains : blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact : with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the : problem could be? This is the first time I have used any type of comm. : software, but I followed the directions I was given. I am probably just : missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Have you issued: ATE0 - echo commands on ATQ0 - enable result codes ATV1 - Display results as words Then issued AT&W to write that out to non-volatile memory? -- johnP John Pezzano, HP NAET Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 09:26:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:56:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:56:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:26:28 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>In article , Bud Huber wrote: >>>Dear Chuck, >>[snip snip] >> >>Dear Bud, >> >>Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit >>are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and >>incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no >>longer be necessary for me and others to respond. >> >This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both >Chuck and me. I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names >around, and it applies equally to Kermit. Perhaps the real question is >"what constitutes an attack"? > >Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to >be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they >thought it should have compared it with. We could go on and on about this >forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was >published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over >the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it >was intrinsically slow. I think the article achieved its purpose, and I >do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense. If >it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the >software with which Kermit was compared. The article is very explicit >about this. Yes, the article achieved its intended purpose, to increase the movement of Columbia University's Kermit product at the expense of ZMODEM solutions. When I first complained to Mr. da Cruz about the Kermit News hit piece on ZMODEM, I only raised the issue of fairness. The article made sweeping generalizations about Kermit and ZMODEM by comparing the latest and greatest Kermit with inferior third party ZMODEM implementations. As discussion on these points heated up, technical flaws in the "True-Life Benchmarks" became apparent. The "True-Life Benchmarks" were disproven in the public Protocol Shootout. Since then I have repeatedly challenged Frank to allow a fair, public repeat of the so-called "True-Life Benchmarks". > >In any case, it's been two years. Let's bury the hatchet. I think we can If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 14:24:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:29:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:29:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:24:32 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab, NCTU, Taiwan, ROC Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, There is a text which shows the login title in our school. ************************************************************** * * * Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu * * * ************************************************************** 0: Telnet 1: alumni (140.126.237.200) 2: educator (140.126.237.201) 3: csiebbs (140.113.17.154) 4: cisbbs (140.113.23.3) 5: eebbs (140.113.218.1) 6: PPP 7: SLIP 8: Exit Enter your choice: If I enter '7', I got the following two lines. Switching to SLIP. Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using kermit script ? Thanks in advance. --Jou From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 18:01:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:15:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:01:22 -0400 Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider Lines: 96 Message-Id: <400bli$1oi@pcnet1.pcnet.com> References: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pcnet1.pcnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Do us both a favor and try a simple test. Perform the file transfer again >this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens. OK. I did as you suggested. I tried sending a single file and got a failure. Below I include screen dumps of each copy of CKermit, post transfer, showing that both were in Labeled mode. I also include the original file and the human readable parts of what arrived at the other end. The original problem occurred at work on a TCP/IP LAN connection between FAT file systems on two machines, one running Warp Connect, the other running Warp with WINOS2. I was able to recreate the problem at home on a single machine using a Named Pipe connection on HPFS. So the problem is not unique to machine, connection type, or file system. Dump of sender screen: C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95 Current Directory: K:\CKERMIT Network Host: \\.\pipe\kermit Network Type: Named Pipes Parity: none Sending: ckermit.cmd => CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd File Type: LABELED File Size: 455 Percent Done: 100 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 00:00:01 Transfer Rate, CPS: 1123 Window Slots: 1 of 4 Packet Type: B Packet Count: 5 Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: Files: 1, Total Bytes: 1123 Dump of receiver screen: C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95 Current Directory: K:\labeltest Network Host: \pipe\kermit Network Type: Named Pipes Parity: none Receiving: CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd File Type: LABELED File Size: 455 Percent Done: 100 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: Transfer Rate, CPS: 0 Window Slots: 1 of 4 Packet Type: B Packet Count: 6 Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: Transfer OK File sent: /* Sample OS/2 C-Kermit startup file - Doublequotes are for REXX */ "@echo off" /* Don't echo these commands */ "echo Executing CKERMIT.CMD..." /* Inform user */ "chcp 850" /* Use Code Page 850 */ "mode co80,33" /* Screen size 80 by 33 lines */ /*"MODE com1,38400,n,8,1,rts=hs,idsr=off,octs=off,odsr=off,dtr=off,to=off"*/ "ckermit.exe" arg(1) /* Start C-Kermit, pass all arguments */ File received (run through "strings" program to extract only printable ASCII strings). I can uuencode the binary version, if needed. KERMIT LABELED FILE:02UO04VERS01520.3005KVERS020650119108FILENAME0211ckermit.cmd 04ATTR04 09EABUFSIZE035600 .TYPE OS/2 Command File REXX.METACONTROL OS/2 REXXSAA 4.00 08 Jul 1992 REXX.LITERALPOOL .@echo offecho Executing CKERMIT.CMD...chcp 850mode co80,33ckermit.exearg1BH REXX.VARIABLEBU -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | pelletie@pcnet.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 16:23:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:52:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:52:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 4 Aug 1995 16:23:23 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 34 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3vthhr$2sh@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Scott (scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote: : I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get : long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very : aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the : suggestions there to work. Please help! : Thanks for your response, : Jim Just in case nobody else told you ... You also have to pay attention to *how* you're gettin in to the box. We have a unix box here at temple (several, actually :), but the only way to get in from the outiside is through a cisco router, and this particular router limits the packet size for some dumb reason so we're stuck with small packet length... John -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Ten years ago, kids would pick up the phone, dial a random number, yell "poo poo" to whoever answered, hang up quick and laugh their little butts off. Now, they have computers. Vinnie From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:28:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Kermit book (was: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS) Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:28:55 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of >the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". ... > >The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is: > > Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / > Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. > Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and > compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. ... > You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / > Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: ... > +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for Frank, Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been trying to order the book from Butterworth-Heinnemann for the past 2 months. All I get back for that edition of the book is "Out of Print". They offer the 1st ed. as an alternative, summat wot I already got. Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK? Cheers, Bertil. -- Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB. +44 1509 222-313. "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis? May his toenails grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper) From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 16:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kermit book (was: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS) Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:24:08 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) writes: ... > >Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK? > Erm, ektuelly, Frank said in his previous posting that its CWO.... Bertil. Bernard sometimes, when I drop my head elsewhere. -- Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB. +44 1509 222-313. "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis? May his toenails grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper) From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 22:48:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:48:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!ucsd.edu!ssrossi From: ssrossi@ucsd.edu (S. S. Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit/UUencoding corruption Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:02:01 UNDEFINED Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ganglion.ucsd.edu Summary: UUencode Mac files corrupt after Kermit transfer to VAX server Keywords: C-Kermit 4E(072), VMS 5.0, uuencode, Mac, VAX X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption - DOS/Windows uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac communication programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption: Mac 320 and VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of truncation every 7-th line - where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet size limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits ? Thanks, any and all ! From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 03:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:42:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:42:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Date: 6 Aug 1995 03:41:06 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab, NCTU, Taiwan, ROC Lines: 24 Message-Id: <401dki$m5c@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> References: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> <1995Aug5.135434.58145@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes: : > Hello, : > : > Switching to SLIP. : > Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. : > : > The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using : > kermit script ? : ------------- : You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to : look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate : the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands No, v\(input) is not whole line, if I use 'input 10 Your address is'. \v(line) is 'Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is' Well, I solve this problem by using 'input 10 ., input 10., input 10., input 10.' Thanks. : command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book : "Using MS-DOS Kermit." : The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command : to locate IP address numbers. I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on FreeBSD. Is it a new version ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 04:12:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:34:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:34:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!acoustic From: acoustic@netcom.com (Yee On Lo) Subject: making kermit run silently Message-Id: Summary: want to filter out (and throw away) all bell/beep signals Keywords: bell, beep, running silent Sender: acoustic@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 04:12:05 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there some variable i can set or some other way to configure kermit so that it makes no sound (i.e., doesn't beep)? Basically what i want to do is have completely silent operation, so that kermit does not beep when i make a connection, and any beeps the remote system sends my way are intercepted and thrown out before they reach my hardware. (Thus i don't want to hear any beep when a file transfer is complete, when i make an error in a remote program, when there's any trouble with the line, or under any other circumstances whatsoever.) I'd appreciate any info anyone can offer. My version of kermit is: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 yeeOn acoustic@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 07:54:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 05:59:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 05:59:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Message-Id: <1995Aug5.135434.58145@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Aug 95 13:54:34 MDT References: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes: > Hello, > > There is a text which shows the login title in our school. > > ************************************************************** > * * > * Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu * > * * > ************************************************************** > > > > 0: Telnet > 1: alumni (140.126.237.200) > 2: educator (140.126.237.201) > 3: csiebbs (140.113.17.154) > 4: cisbbs (140.113.23.3) > 5: eebbs (140.113.218.1) > 6: PPP > 7: SLIP > 8: Exit > > > > Enter your choice: > > If I enter '7', I got the following two lines. > > Switching to SLIP. > Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. > > The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using > kermit script ? ------------- You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands can then strip the unwanted parts. Put the result into the SET TCP ADDRESS command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command to locate IP address numbers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 17:34:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:00:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:00:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwfocus.wa.com!nwestnews!c1mpls!technix!jfw From: jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Private system, Saint Paul, MN Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 17:34:54 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > [ ... snip ... ] > >If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" >from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of >those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in this group. Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from using and recommending your products. This is unfortunate because you may very well have a superior gadget, but I have a bad taste in my mouth about your way of dealing with the competition. Mind you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and use kermit where it is better suited than anything else and other products if it is not. Chuck, understand that Omen Technologies products are not on the short list I present to my customers. Lighten up your attitude and that will change. The reports from both sides have been published, both are known to the free world. Leave this _kermit_ group alone, Chuck. I read it for _kermit_ information, not _zmodem_. Create a _zmodem_ group and carry on your quest for justice (and sales) there. If you want to post *relevant* (I don't consider constant chatter about the perf benchmarks to be relevant any longer - relative to the industry they are both too old to be of any use) technical information in this _kermit_ group, go ahead but get the kermit bashing away from here. -- Jerry Wallace jfw@technix.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 01:39:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:03:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:03:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Packet length and file transfers Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:39:54 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 22 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and window slots. I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing is limited to three characters. I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths beteween 200-300 characters. When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse. Should I be happy with my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets? -- Jim Scott "I had taught myself that a human being might as well look for diamond tiaras in the gutter as for rewards and punishments that were fair." Kurt Vonnegut, from "Mother Night." From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 02:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 7 Aug 1995 02:06:15 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 6 Message-Id: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu subject says it all.. i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. what do i need to set for proper display? - jae From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 12:52:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:52:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:52:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Packet length and file transfers Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:52:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <4052aj$7cc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>, Jim Scott wrote: : I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have : moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download : lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and : window slots. : : I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a : 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing : is limited to three characters. : : I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths : beteween 200-300 characters. When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer : rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse. Should I be happy with : my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets? : When transferring precompressed files, you might be able to squeeze out a few more percent by turning off Kermit's compression ("set repeat counts off"). Turning off the modem's compression is usually not worth it. Then you can experiment to find the optimal combination of window size and packet length. Every connection has its own, and the curves are not necessarily predictable. However, for transferring ZIP files on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, you aren't going to get much better than 1600 cps no matter what you do, so you'll have to decide if the experimentation is worth it -- the gain would be about 4 percent. Also be aware of other limiting factors, such as terminal server capacity, buffer size, and speed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 12:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:55:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:55:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit/UUencoding corruption Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4052g8$7f3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: C-Kermit 4E(072), VMS 5.0, uuencode, Mac, VAX Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , S. S. Rossi wrote: : Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX : will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit : from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The : VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption - : DOS/Windows uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac : communication programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption: : Mac 320 and VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of truncation every 7-th : line - where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet : size limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits? : Your Mac software is a little too smart for its own good. Uuencode format has the unfortunate property that records can include trailing blanks. Evidently your software thinks it is doing you a favor by stripping them. Real Kermit software does not do this. Whatever its other faults, Mac Kermit will leave trailing blanks alone. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 13:01:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:01:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:01:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 7 Aug 1995 13:01:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4052r3$7k6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: >subject says it all.. >i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >what do i need to set for proper display? > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 18:46:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:54:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:54:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Our" IP address Date: 7 Aug 1995 18:46:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-Id: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes, using the builtin TCP/IP. I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware addresses of each PC interface identified. All was well last week... Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working PCs. If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some other station". I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged in by the bootp server, so some net com is working. I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially, before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message. Caveat: I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet" Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've assigned? I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with the UNIX side. I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead. Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 09:45:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 20:19:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 20:19:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Our" IP address Message-Id: <1995Aug7.154539.58271@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Aug 95 15:45:39 MDT References: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes, > using the builtin TCP/IP. > I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware > addresses of each PC interface identified. > > All was well last week... > Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working > PCs. If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some > other station". I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged > in by the bootp server, so some net com is working. > I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially, > before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message. > > Caveat: > I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( > As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console > starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected > Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet" That will be fatal for the ARP masquerade-test too. That remote link is in bad shape. > > Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've > assigned? I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with Affirmative. > the UNIX side. I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead. > Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this? If you like, but that's not going to solve problems occurring on the wire and in remote boxes. A better tool is a wire monitor. To save you reading the code here is the essential piece: if (imposter == 0 && arp_resolve(my_ip_addr, NULL))/* imposter check */ { outs("\r\n WARNING: our IP address is used by"); outs(" another station! Quitting."); return(0); /* fail back to user */ } imposter++; /* say have done the check */ Joe D. > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 10:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:43:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:43:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!taptet.sscl.uwo.ca!creider From: creider@taptet.sscl.uwo.ca (Chet Creider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit + Xenix + 14,400 modem problem Date: 7 Aug 1995 10:48:18 GMT Organization: University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <404r1i$8fn@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: taptet.sscl.uwo.ca Cc: This problem probably requires some knowledge of both kermit and Xenix to solve: I've used a 2400 baud modem for years with Xenix (now 2.3.4g) to dial up from home to a Sun in my lab. As I have to go through an additional level of logging in to get onto the network my machine is on, I use a script. I'm trying out a Practical Peripherals 14,400 V.32bis modem now and find that my script is won't work. Worse than that, although I can send a single modem command to the modem from kermit (such as +++ or ATZ), there is no reply "OK". Despite this, I can use the kermit's dial command to dial the network and then reach my own machine by hand. Downloads and uploads work fine. I've tried setting the speed to 2400 and 9600 without changing this behaviour. Strangely, the script works perfectly well under MSDOS (same machine but using MS-Kermit (3.11) instead of C-Kermit (5A(189)). The only other thing I can think of that might be relevant is that rts/cts flow control doesn't seem to be available on the C-Kermit. I did try the xenix command "stty ctsflow rtsflow", but that didn't help. Here is the .kermrc file: set modem hayes set line /dev/tty2A ;set speed 2400 ;set speed 9600 set file type binary ;set file names literal ; M0 below turns the speaker off; S0 would set it to low set dial init-string ATM0Q0S2=43\{13} set send timeout 60 set receive timeout 60 ;take getme2.ccs Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I have the C-Kermit book, but little expertise in these matters. Many thanks, Chet Creider From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 15:22:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:17:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remapping function keys? Date: 1 Aug 1995 15:22:06 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The problem here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a single byte but several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends [21~ . And now I would like C-Kermit to transmit something different for F10. Is it possible? And if so, how do I do it? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:23:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:30:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:30:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 04 Aug 1995 14:23:20 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vcq1s$fij@fountain.mindlink.net> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amberxt.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: Jack Bowling@mindlink.bc.ca's message of 29 Jul 1995 08:04:12 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. > >Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make >this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" >and recompile :-) Certainly the very first thing I *always* do with any new kermit setup is stick a "set file type binary" command in my .kermrc file (or whatever the equivalent startup file is). I don't think I have ever done a text mode transfer (come to think of it, ftp has the same problem - does anyone know why ftp doesn't default to binary mode?). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 07:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 04:49:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 04:49:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit over IP connection Date: 8 Aug 1995 00:30:40 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Summary: ARP not working with latest release... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz." Details... My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP, using an old DOS box with 640K. Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version 10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself. IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}. The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0. The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3 Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that version is still available at Columbia's FTP...) This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. Never a Windoze user and proud of it. Mail: URL: From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 01:59:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 07:59:38 MDT References: <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com>, chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton) writes: > I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack. > > On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network. The >ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file. > > Now I want to run KERMIT. If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect > find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'. I've tried loading the different That's not a Kermit error message. Kermit error message "Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver." results when it can't find a packet delivery mechanism. If another stack is running then that will yield this message from Kermit; see below on this case. (Carl, your mailer creates infinite length lines which don't match 80 column equipment elsewhere; please press Enter before approaching the right edge, tnx.) >ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help. In the >NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass > -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE) I've tried this and get dumped to the >KERMIT prompt. Please help. > The Kermit documentation clearly says one can't run two protocol stacks of the same kind together over the same board. That's the underlying principle here. FTP Inc's stack counts as one, Kermit's internal stack counts as one too. MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS is the Kermit command to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT 1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal if SET PORT x is present. > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. > Can someone plesase help. What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still applies. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 02:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Message-Id: <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 08:24:08 MDT References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with > patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The > error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz." > Details... > My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP, > using an old DOS box with 640K. > Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version > 10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself. > IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}. > The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be > a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0. > The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I > connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a > Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3 > Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that > version is still available at Columbia's FTP...) > This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the > Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or > if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would > appreciate hearing about it. Thanks. --------- I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a stab at matters. SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP Packet Driver. Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect of "the other end." EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 05:57:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:42:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!harbour.awod.com!usenet From: chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 8 Aug 1995 05:57:57 GMT Organization: Hilton Consulting Lines: 13 Message-Id: <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp203.awod.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack. On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network. The ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file. Now I want to run KERMIT. If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'. I've tried loading the different ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help. In the NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE) I've tried this and get dumped to the KERMIT prompt. Please help. On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. Can someone plesase help. Thanks Carl Hilton chilton@awod.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 15:34:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:22:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:22:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 8 Aug 1995 08:34:33 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, all. A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... Intelligent software is an oxymoron. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 19:02:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:26:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:26:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Our" IP address Date: 8 Aug 1995 19:02:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-Id: <408cbf$70n@bug.rahul.net> References: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : Caveat: : I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( Kermit is so annoying when it points out errors ;-) The remote bridge was causing the unhappiness. With the link down, kermit runs fine, as before. I have gotten quite used to using MSKermit as an RS232 debugging tool. I might have to expand that to networks, as well. (The real problem is that the modems for the remote bridge will work dialing via outside lines, but Centrex-extension-to-extension doesn't work; perhaps too high a carrier level, or lack of some echo cancellation.) --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 13:36:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:36:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:36:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!jgamble From: jgamble@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: golden.ripco.com Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:36:35 GMT X-Ident-Sender: jgamble Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: > >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... > >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: > >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. > >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. > >It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) > >Thanks > >Daniel Uh, i use kermit (MS) on CIS all the time. The only lines of significance are "set receive packet 512" and "set send packet 512" (i'm quoting from memory here). I could probably up the packet size, those lines date from when i was having a little line noise problem. -- -john net address: 72330.501@compuserve.com jgamble@ripco.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 15:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:48:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:48:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:48:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <40alc2$5kf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: : A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to : communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. : The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe : he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. : : The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he : gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system : useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a : noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. : If he did not, that would explain it. The VMS macro puts the terminal emulator into 8-bit mode, which VMS expects if the terminal identifies itself as VT220 or above. The command is "set terminal bytesize 8". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 15:50:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:50:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:50:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remapping function keys? Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:50:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <40alfq$5ms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann wrote: : : Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The : problem here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a : single byte but several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends : [21~ . And now I would like C-Kermit to transmit something : different for F10. Is it possible? And if so, how do I do it? : From the Kermit FAQ (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html): 24 HOW DO I USE 'SET KEY' WITH PC F-KEYS, ETC, IN UNIX OR VMS C-KERMIT? C-Kermit comes in basically two varieties: - The version for OS/2 that had direct access to the keyboard and screen, and therefore can see keyboard scan codes and so on, and can do true terminal emulation. Here you have comprehensive key mapping ability. - The versions for UNIX, VMS, and so on, that do not have direct access to the keyboard and screen, and rely on your console driver, terminal window, external terminal emulator (such as MS-DOS Kermit), or actual terminal to perform the terminal functions. UNIX is an interesting case. Traditionally, UNIX was accessed through a terminal that was plugged into a terminal port on a timesharing system. Thus, there is no keyboard and screen -- just a communication port. In recent years, this type of access has been largely replaced by terminal servers, but there is still no keyboard and screen. However, now that we have a plethora of PC-based UNIX varieties that run on workstations (PCs) that actually do have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, not a multibyte scan code. Thus, even if your console driver has programmed (say) your F1 key to send (say) ESC O P, Kermit will read three characters in succession, as if they were three keystrokes, not one. It has no way of knowing that you pressed the F1 key. As far Kermit knows, you pressed the Esc key, then the O key, then the P key. Now perhaps Linux *does* have a system call to let an application at the keyboard. But... - In what contexts does it work? Only on the raw console? In an xterm window? etc etc. - Does it require special privilege to execute? - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on PCs -- FreeBSD, SCO, Solaris/Intel, etc etc? - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on non-PC workstations -- SunOS, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, SGI, etc? So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 20:32:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:41:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:41:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 8 Aug 1995 20:32:05 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <408hk5$nre@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: >A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to >communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. >The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe >he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. > >The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he >gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system >useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a >noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. Looks like a wrong terminal type, e.g. the VAX assumes it is a VT320 where Kermit behaves as a VT100. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 21:58:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:52:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:52:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: C-Kermit scripting & VMS ... odd? Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:58:51 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-Id: <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3388 comp.os.vms:107296 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, I was going to include the whole script ... then realized it's just about everything you need for a Q&D password stealing routine. While it doesn't take too much of a brain to write a password trojan, I would much rather *not* go down in flames for posting one to Usenet. Thus, I'll post the offending bits (mind you, not the naughty bits) and hope someone can dredge up what is wrong: ; output \13 input 20 Username: if fail error {Unable to connect} output \%n\13 input 20 Password: if fail error {Unable to connect} output \%p\13 output \13 input 5 Username: if failure goto gooduser echo must have a bad password goto eof ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password :gooduser echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10 connect ; quit, return to login procedure. quit ; On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want. We pull in the username and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to the login routine via a telnet connection. Good password - pass through and the user is online. Bad password - they get dumped. VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way exactly. The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new 'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427, PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC CKVCON ckcgetc 6053 000000C6 00066A0E CKVCON conect 6301 000005DA 0006708E CKUUS4 doconect 8625 00000049 0006D24D CKUUSR docmd 7163 000003B2 00067F72 CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??) Anyone run into this one yet? andrew. 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From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:42:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 20:53:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 20:53:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Message-Id: <1995Aug9.154237.58499@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Aug 95 15:42:37 MDT References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-) > > Joe D. wrote: > > # I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a > #stab at matters. > # SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations > #on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved > #since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast > #medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP > #Packet Driver. > > Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running > something like this: > > [My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] -> > [My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] -> > [Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] -> > [LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff... > > # Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible > #for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host > #and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it > #is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you > #have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, > > I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either, > although I can get some information from the server prompt using > the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the > support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate! > > #gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect > #of "the other end." > # > I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to > the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid > Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to > the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is > attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over > the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to > Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond > hauling datagrams back and forth. > > All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of > networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it. > > # EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been > #able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as > #it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. > # > Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It > works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine > likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which > would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem > appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two > EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the > earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error > is returned. > > # Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't > #seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, > #then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. > # > Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part... > > I don't know if what I have added is helpful in > diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in > session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I > suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate. > > Thanks... ------------- I fired up CSLIPPER with no command line arguments so it behaved as a straight SLIP Packet Driver. I ran MS-DOS Kermit over it to our modem pool (Telebit Netblazers) and used both domain name servers and far away machine addresses, all with no difficulty. I set the MSK TCP/IP IP address from the text line the modem pool gave me upon starting SLIP there. I notice that CSLIPPER has an ARP/IP Ethernet faker option. Without knowing in detail what it does I would recommend not activating that faker with Kermit. From this I am tempted to conclude that the IP environment outside of Kermit is causing the difficulties you note. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 00:21:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:36:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:36:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:21:36 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jerry Wallace wrote: >Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > >> [ ... snip ... ] >> >>If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" >>from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of >>those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. > >Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in >this group. Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from I am sorry if my responses to the attacks on ZMODEM offend you. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM http://www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 04:52:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:07:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:07:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!DIALix!not-for-mail From: mcs@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Matrix Link) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Z-modem Date: 9 Aug 1995 12:52:12 +0800 Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. Lines: 15 Sender: mcs@perth.DIALix.oz.au Message-Id: <409ets$244$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs@perth.dialix.oz.au Keywords: Z-modem Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a specification of the Z-modem protocol. If anyone has or knows of a text on Z-modom or any spec which details the protocol could you please let me know. Thanks Jeff Sinclair MicroCell Systems PS since this is a company account could you place "Jeff" somewhere in the subject line of any direct replies. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 21:40:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:32:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:32:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!uunet!in2.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!newshub.gmr.com!news.delcoelect.com!usenet From: jccookma@koadh001.delcoelect.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Displaying hex values? Date: 9 Aug 1995 21:40:13 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 16 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Reply-To: jccookma@koadh001.delcoelect.com Nntp-Posting-Host: koaspc0f.delcoelect.com Keywords: hex, 8bit X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions. 1. Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes? The closest thing I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte, but I would rather see the values. 2. Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity? Right now if I am set for 8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits. Thanks in advance, Jordan Cookman From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 05:03:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 01:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 01:03:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying hex values? Date: 10 Aug 1995 05:03:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <40c3u8$bjl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: hex, 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, wrote: >I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions. > >1. Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes? The closest thing >I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte, >but I would rather see the values. No. You could LOG SESSION and then view the received data with a Hex viewer. >2. Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity? Right now if I am set for >8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits. No again. There are 8 bits in a BYTE. Now if you use one of those bits for parity you have only 7 bits left for data. Having 8 data bits and odd parity would require 9 bits. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 19:23:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 02:30:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 02:30:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!bone.think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!blaikie From: blaikie@phys.ocean.dal.ca (Luke Blaikie) Subject: non-interactive screen capture Message-Id: Sender: usenet@cs.dal.ca (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: grand.phys.ocean.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:23:33 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Don't know if the subject line is quite right, but here it goes. My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that doesn't have kermit). After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST' and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute. Then I want to simply hang up. Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell script (UNIX machine) using kermit?? If not, any suggestions for a simple solution?? -- Luke Blaikie ============ blaikie@Phys.Ocean.dal.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 03:27:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 03:27:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: C-Kermit scripting & VMS ... odd? Date: 9 Aug 1995 09:35:19 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 69 Distribution: world Message-Id: <409vgn$qm6@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3396 comp.os.vms:107331 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes: > ; > output \13 > input 20 Username: > if fail error {Unable to connect} > output \%n\13 > input 20 Password: > if fail error {Unable to connect} > output \%p\13 > output \13 > input 5 Username: > if failure goto gooduser > echo must have a bad password > goto eof ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password > :gooduser > echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10 > connect > ; quit, return to login procedure. > quit > ; > > On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want. We pull in the username > and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to > the login routine via a telnet connection. Good password - pass through > and the user is online. Bad password - they get dumped. > > VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way > exactly. The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything > to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new > 'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would > allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up: > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427, > PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > module name routine name line rel PC abs PC > > CKVCON ckcgetc 6053 000000C6 00066A0E > CKVCON conect 6301 000005DA 0006708E > CKUUS4 doconect 8625 00000049 0006D24D > CKUUSR docmd 7163 000003B2 00067F72 > CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA > CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 > > Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the > user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??) > > Anyone run into this one yet? I experienced similar problems under the following circumstances: C-Kermit waits for some input to occur, the input arrives, it is recognized and C-Kermit outputs some bytes but just at this time there are still some bytes arriving (a single byte is enough) => stack dump. This may well be the case in your script. After a successfull login your script issues a second CR and at the same time some intro text from the VMS-machine is arriving => crash. To check for a successfull login try to wait for something like "User authorization failure" and issue the CR only if this string doesn't arrive. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:19:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:58:23 GMT From: paul.coates@illusion.com (PAUL COATES) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <8AED34D.10F5000109.uuout@illusion.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <8AED34D.10F5000109.uuout@illusion.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950810.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:28:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:28:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:58:23 GMT From: paul.coates@illusion.com (PAUL COATES) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <8AEE0CB.10F500010C.uuout@illusion.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <8AEE0CB.10F500010C.uuout@illusion.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950810.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 08:14:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:31:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:31:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cn125 From: cn125@cleveland.freenet.edu (Jerry L. Brod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS KERMIT, telnet, and WFW Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:14:23 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 Message-Id: <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I have examined the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler and its own TCP/IP stack. The text states: An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack. The Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386. Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler itself. Shims are not needed in this case. This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive. It does exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want to run. The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it is a complete refresh of WFWTCP. Did Microsoft drop support of BAPI? From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 16:50:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:50:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:50:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-interactive screen capture Date: 10 Aug 1995 16:50:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <40ddc6$ebf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luke Blaikie wrote: >My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that >doesn't have kermit). After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST' >and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute. Then I want >to simply hang up. > >Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell >script (UNIX machine) using kermit?? If not, any suggestions for a >simple solution?? > Here is a simple solution that might work: 1. Write the script that logs in and gets to the system prompt. 2. OUTPUT LIST blah ; where blah is the filename 3. LOG SESSION blah.log ; Record in file blah.log 4. OUTPUT \13 ; Start the LIST command 4. INPUT 200 xxx ; where xxx is the system prompt 5. CLOSE SESSION This should work if the listing doesn't take more than 200 seconds (if it does, use a bigger number) and if the system prompt does not occur in the file text (if it does, the active imagination can conjure up additional tricks to have the host display a unique string after the file is listed). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 12:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:24:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!mkercher From: mkercher@netcom.com (Matthew Kercher) Subject: Re: Packet length and file transfers Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> <4052aj$7cc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: USA Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:31:37 GMT Lines: 30 Sender: mkercher@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>, >Jim Scott wrote: >: I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have >: moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download >: I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a >: >: 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing >: is limited to three characters. >: If I infer correctly that you are using MS-Kermit on a PC, you limitation may be hardware, not protocol strategy. A lame 8250 or 16450 UART on a serial board or internal modem will loose characters on such high-speed, long packet receive transfers because it lacks adequate data buffering. This causes multiple retries. The longer your packet length, the more data that has to be resent in a bad packet, thus killing the throughput. Keep an eye on the number of retries during file transfer to get a feel for the size of the bad packet/lost data problem. Or go buy a good serial board with a 16550 UART. -- Matt Kercher San Francisco, Ca. mkercher@netcom.com -- Matt Kercher San Francisco, Ca. mkercher@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 08:53:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:38:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:38:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!sony!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transferring directory hierarchies? Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:53:04 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#DCso88.2ws@lut.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to restore to tar/zip etc? I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will explain all. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 17:27:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:46:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!einstein.emg.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: Escape ?? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:27:43 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: tstevens@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket) and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated. Ted -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 19:01:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:17:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:01:19 GMT Message-Id: References: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: >Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to >restore to tar/zip etc? > >I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. >I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will >explain all. Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command: kermit sb -fR *.* Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files. Not all programs do. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM http://www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 20:50:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:50:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:50:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies? Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:50:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <40drev$ogp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: >>Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to >>restore to tar/zip etc? >> >>I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. >>I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will >>explain all. > >Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command: > > kermit sb -fR *.* > >Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files. > Neat. >Not all programs do. > C-Kermit creates directories too, on selected operating systems (UNIX, VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, and OS-9), if you enable this feature on the receiver with SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and on the sender with SET SEND PATHNAMES ON. It even creates intermediate directories if they don't exist. However, at present, no Kermit program has the built-in ability to send directory trees on the fly. That's coming. In the meantime: . MS-DOS Kermit and OS/2 C-Kermit come with XSEND utilities that let you do this. . In UNIX, you can pipe transfers through tar, or just make tar files and transfer them. . In VMS you can transfer BACKUP savesets. Instructions are in the manuals and update (.UPD) files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 20:51:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:51:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Escape ?? Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:51:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <40drhc$ohr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Edward Stevens wrote: >Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket) >and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated. > It's always a good idea to say which version of Kermit you are using on which platform. But probably the answer is: just follow the escape character (Ctrl-\ or Ctrl-], or whatever it is) by the letter "c". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 01:07:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:11:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS KERMIT, telnet, and WFW Message-Id: <1995Aug10.070757.58553@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Aug 95 07:07:57 MDT References: <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cn125@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry L. Brod) writes: > I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections > from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I have examined > the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be > covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler > and its own TCP/IP stack. The text states: > > An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP > protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack. The > Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and > that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386. > Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler > itself. Shims are not needed in this case. > > This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the > VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive. It does > exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does > not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want > to run. The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it > is a complete refresh of WFWTCP. Did Microsoft drop support > of BAPI? ---------- The answer seems to be yes to your last (BAPI) question. Dan Lanciani at Harvard has been working on a shim for this situation, the archive file is named ndis3pkt.zip, so please contact him at ddl@harvard.edu. An older version is in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, but please be aware that the rules on MS' TCPIP32 have been very fluid and this older version is probably inappropriate. A cheap solution is to add a second Ethernet board, as silly as that first appears. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 02:36:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:08:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RTS flow under Unixware 1.1.2 Date: 11 Aug 1995 02:36:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40efne$mou@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had been having intermittent problems making dialout connections on a Unixware 1.1.3 machine, running 5a-189 C-Kermit. Occasionally, a connection wouldn't echo any keystrokes, although I could see TX data going out. I discovered that Unixware is rather untidy about the handling of RTS. If RTS isn't asserted, my modem won't send any data to the system, which is correct, but annoying. I am using the "hardware" port /dev/term/01h. If I use the "soft" port, /dev/term/01s, then the connection is okay, but without hardware flow control. If I run my macro "mmodem" a few times, each of the commands toggles DTR, and magically, on one of the toggles, RTS is asserted. I assume that Kermit is doing the correct thing, as usual, so I am looking for some way to kick Unixware in the right spot. define mmodem set modem hayes,set line /dev/term/01h,set speed 38400 I think for now I will set a macro "start", that will call mmodem three times, which always seems to work. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 07:18:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:26:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:26:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news1.digital.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 07:18:23 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: > >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... > >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: > >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. BTW I tried CKermit 190 on SCO Open Server 5 downloading some .jpg files today, both via modem and via telnet, and it downloaded the files without errors. You might check with Columbia University, HP, or your internet provider to find out why your mileage is worse. > >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. Professional-YAM has B+ protocol and the ability to use telnet for outgoing calls. But, we don't have binaries for Hp-Ux. We do have source code license for $400, but please beware that TCP/IP interfacing is not well standardized among different Unix systems. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 19:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:24:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:24:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Date: 11 Aug 1995 19:19:43 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 13 Message-Id: <40gagf$ot6@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jerry Wallace wrote: >you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator >out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and bit out from the subject line...BUT, kermit emulates tek graphics the best..by far from the others. (although, it's really hard to find other products that emulates tek graphics..and also, you may not need tek emulation though..) - jae From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 21:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:11:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:11:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Breaking out of a auto-redial script? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 21:24:01 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 11 Message-Id: <40gdid$1gdu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool until it gets a free modem. This can be a time consuming process, 100s of attempts, so we would like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop. So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it gets a free modem and nothing stops it . Any ideas out there? From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 22:48:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:27:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:27:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!sitouwh From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 22:48:55 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 26 Message-Id: <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line9.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote: >subject says it all.. >i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >what do i need to set for proper display? Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example old version of UNIX. BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese, Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing. c-kermit can't help you. ---- SAM >- jae =================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech =================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 19:39:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:54:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:53:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!sitouwh From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 19:39:22 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes, MACAU Lines: 84 Message-Id: <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line15.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) wrote: >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. I would suguest you to modify the set up, the set up is supposed to provide for you to modify. There is no the best setup because speed of your PC, the setup of your modem, and the host that you cannect to, and the delay on the signal reach your PC from the Host all these factory will affect your the best set up for your own configuration, no one else can do it for you. The default setup is aimed for very bad quality of line, thus the overall transfer speed is very low. if you modify the packet lenght for a biger value the transfer speed will be faster, sometime it can reach the transfer speed of Zmodem, which Zmodem 's default is aimed for the line quality far better than Kermit 's default. So if your line quality is quite good, then if you do not modify the setup, you will end up with a very robust, but extremely slow connection. I am using C-Kermit (190) on a Sun System. I set the file type to binary. No. of Window to 5 Tx Pac length to 500 Rx Pac length to 500 3-byte CRC on both end (PC and Host) The is not the best seup for me, but I already have big improvement on speed when compare with default setup. (Note my service provider just upgrade the Host, before upgrade there is a small SUN station, at that time the best pac length for me is arround 1000) your can try to download the same file for many time and change the pac length each time to find the length best to you. >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. If you have trouble to handle or loss confidence on Kermit . You need to post that your CIS account accept which protocal: Zmodem, Ymodem, Xmodem, etc. than the people in this newsgroup can tell you the name of the communication program support the protocal you require. Since your are in Swiss then if you download big file from US, please be condiser that even your link between your Local Host or Router is extremely fast, speed of the link betwen Swiss to US might be very slow, in this situation any improvement on the speed at your own would not have much result, unless you rent a private high speed lease line for youself. >It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of Unix. ---- SAM >Thanks >Daniel >-- >Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 >SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) >X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ >If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? >--- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 01:11:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:11:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:11:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 13 Aug 1995 01:11:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <40jjfo$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>, SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) wrote: >danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) wrote: >>It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) > >I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since >Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the >people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of >Unix. > C-Kermit for HP-UX, all versions from 5.21 through the latest 10.x, is most definitely available from Columbia University. In fact, HP-UX 10.0 (and later) is delivered with C-Kermit installed in the /bin directory, by contract with Columbia University, along with all the supporting initialization files, etc. Other UNIX vendors should feel free to contact us to make similar arrangements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 01:28:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:28:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:28:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 13 Aug 1995 01:28:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <40jkfu$fgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>, SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) wrote: >jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote: >>i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >>what do i need to set for proper display? >Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still >exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example >old version of UNIX. > First of all, for 8-bit display, "simply" make sure that your terminal or window (e.g. cxterm) supports the same Chinese character set as the remote host: usually either Guo Biao (GB) or Big5. Then tell C-Kermit to: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent and off you go. Also make sure the remote host does not strip the 8th bit; e.g. use a command like "stty pass8" or "stty cs8 -istrip" on a remote UNIX system, or "set terminal /eightbit" on VMS, etc. >BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese, >Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative >coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case >you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing. >c-kermit can't help you. > That's not necessarily true. The same idea applies here too. If your terminal or display window supports the 7-bit representation for Chinese such as HZ/B5E3 or ZW (as do some chinese DOS versions, like ZWDOS), then C-Kermit certainly will not stand in the way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 02:48:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!HiWAAY.net!root From: JoeM@hiwaay.net(JoeM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for XMODEM Information Date: 13 Aug 1995 02:48:13 GMT Organization: HiWAAY Information Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40jp5d$tun@fly.HiWAAY.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max7-203.hiwaay.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize that this is really not the proper place to post this, but I can't find an appropriate news group. Does anyone know where I can find source code for XMODEM? Thanks, Joe McClain From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 06:10:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:00:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:00:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!usenet From: groenea@qtts-nfs-2303.telkom.co.za Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: variable in script Date: 8 Aug 1995 06:10:13 GMT Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 5 Message-Id: <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: qtts-groenea.telkom.co.za Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using the latest version of C-Kermit. How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within a kermit session. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 03:18:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:52:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:52:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!news-1a.csn.net!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cyrillic and msk3.14: character set problem Date: 13 Aug 1995 03:18:48 GMT Organization: SuperNet Inc. (303)-296-8202 Denver Colorado Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that? or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 13:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 09:58:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 09:58:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: variable in script Date: 13 Aug 1995 13:58:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <40l0du$m7l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com>, wrote: >I am using the latest version of C-Kermit. >How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX >shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within >a kermit session. > As explained in the manual (info below), environment variables are accessible within Kermit as \$(xxx), where xxx is the name of the environment variable. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. 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Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 14:01:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:01:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:01:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cyrillic and msk3.14: character set problem Date: 13 Aug 1995 14:01:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <40l0k3$mgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > >i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was >in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's >standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that >come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that? >or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing? > By the time you see it on your screen, it has already been translated to CP866. So the trick is to copy the screen to a file. Dump screen (Ctrl-numeric-keypad-End or ^]f) to file KERMIT.SCN (or other current SET DUMP file), or any kind of print-screen operation (except transparent print), with SET PRINTER xxx, where xxx is the desired filename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 17:18:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:57:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:57:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: asiegel@primenet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT-CKO101 Date: 13 Aug 1995 17:18:18 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 15 Message-Id: <40lc4q$npl@nnrp2.primenet.com> Reply-To: asiegel@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ip020.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running the IAK in OS/2 WARP (blue) and just obtained the subject comm protocol package to use in accessing the OS/2 Shareware BBS. I connect just fine, but can't figure out how to start a DL. I select the file(s) I want and it tells me to start my DL. The screen shows the B00000, etc. I hit ALT-X to get a command prompt and enter RECEIVE F:\DL (F:\DL being the directory where I would like to receive the file(s). It seems to start to DL, but doesn't, quitting after a minute or so. I'm used to ZMODEM in other comm packages which starts DL's and UL's automatically. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong and/or not doing something I should be doing. Would appreciate any help/clues. FWIW, I am able to DL from this host using VMODEM (from the SIO comm package) but it's VERY slow...about 700cps though I'm using a USR Courier V34, as is my Internet provider and the host. This is not a line problem as I get consistant 26.4k connections and around 3000cps DL's in non-Internet connects. FTP Dl's are "fast" though I don't have a number. Thanks for any help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 12 01:12:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 23:09:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 23:09:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Breaking out of a auto-redial script? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 01:12:29 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <40gv11$edt@newstand.syr.edu> References: <40gdid$1gdu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-93.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) wrote: >We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool >until it gets a free modem. >This can be a time consuming process, 100s of attempts, so we would >like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop. >So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it >gets a free modem and nothing stops it . Ken, I seem to recall having to deal with the same problem. If I remember correctly, I inserted something like set alarm 2 if not alarm end 1 in the redial loop. It did not make my redialing slower since it replaced a "pause 2" which gave the modem time to regroup before redialing. If a key is pressed during these 2 seconds, the "set alarm 2" command is interrupted; the alarm does not expire, "not alarm" is TRUE, and the script exits, the return code of 1 indicating failure. It's still a little hard to hit a key at just the right time. Prefixing the two lines above with echo Keystroke NOW to abort!!! helps a bit. I hope it helps. - Vince >Any ideas out there? ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 13:09:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:34:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:34:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!news From: Sanjeev Motwani Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit Date: 14 Aug 1995 13:09:13 GMT Organization: Information Technology Services, The University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup08.geko.com.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to do so despite being able to connect. More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following is typed in but does not work: ~?kermit -r The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin of kermit to the communication line. Any pointers or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sanjeev E-mail: motwani@geko.com.au From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 15:21:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:00:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:00:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!usenet From: goldberg@intac.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2 Date: 14 Aug 1995 15:21:47 GMT Organization: INTAC Access Corporation - An Internet Service Provider Lines: 15 Message-Id: <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com> Reply-To: goldberg@intac.com Nntp-Posting-Host: palpk-s11.intac.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel. However when I enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path, libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file, and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use Kermit's Hebrew capability. Thank you in advance for any help, Yechiel Goldberg New York University goldberg@intac.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 20:39:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:02:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:02:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit Date: 14 Aug 1995 20:39:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <40ocai$3qa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, Sanjeev Motwani wrote: : A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to : do so despite being able to connect. : : More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following : is typed in but does not work: : : ~?kermit -r : : The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin : of kermit to the communication line. Any pointers or suggestions will : be appreciated. : Perhaps we should take this offline. Send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu explaining exactly which platforms and which programs are being used on each end of the connection, and which end the "~?kermit -r" is being typed, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 22:08:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:59:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:59:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!frankensun.altair.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!dbrownd From: dbrownd@phoenix.phoenix.net (Damon Brownd) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for MS-DOS Date: 14 Aug 1995 22:08:53 GMT Organization: Phoenix Data Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <40ohhl$8rs@gryphon.phoenix.net> References: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.phoenix.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu>, SCOTT R TAYLOR wrote: >Dear reader, > >I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to >exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp >site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would >greatly appreciate it. > The official kermit ftp site is kermit.columbia.edu. -- Damon Brownd dbrownd@phoenix.net I am the worlds foremost expert..... on my own opinions. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 04:52:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 00:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 00:52:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2 Date: 15 Aug 1995 04:52:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40p95i$6v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com>, wrote: >I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the >Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel. However when I >enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I >receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable >directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the >directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information >regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path, >libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file, >and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use >Kermit's Hebrew capability. Please do not post queries regarding unsupported Beta versions. Please update your software to the current release version which is available either: via ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko191.zip via www http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you still have a problem with the official release, then send bug reports to the kermit @columbia.edu. Thanks. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 14:09:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:04:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:04:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for MS-DOS Message-Id: <1995Aug14.190941.100979@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 14 Aug 95 19:09:40 CDT References: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SCOTT R TAYLOR (srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu) wrote: : Dear reader, : I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to : exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp : site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would : greatly appreciate it. I thought I'd let you know that you'll have to set your packet length to 90 on send and receive to get kermit transfers to work with your HP. The HP's serial line buffer is too small to accept packets any larger than that. The ftp site for kermit is kermit.columbia.edu. If you have an SX and enough free RAM, you'll want to get the file browser utility to ease transfers. Pop into comp.sys.hp48 for more information. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 11:57:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:04:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:04:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!news.ssnet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Message-Id: <1995Aug8.175724.58390@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 17:57:24 MDT References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > Hello, all. > > A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to > communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. > The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe > he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. > > The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he > gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system > useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a > noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. ----------- SET DISPLAY 8, for sure. Get the right terminal type negotiated via VMS command SET TERM/INQ (put it in your login.com). Recommend VT320. Joe D. (typed in Eve) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 20:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:24:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:24:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!rider.wharton.upenn.edu!riegera From: riegera@rider.wharton.upenn.edu (Andrew Rieger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need init string help Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:55:27 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-Id: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rider.wharton.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who knows even less than I do. :) He is using a kermit script to dial into a modem pool. The problem is that the modems are sometimes in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out. I assumed that just doing an atz before dialing would be best. The c-kermit manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string. I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the beginning. The modem type is V42-telebit. Any suggestions as to how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated. Thanks. Andrew Rieger arieger@lehman.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 22:50:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:50:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need init string help Date: 15 Aug 1995 22:50:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu>, Andrew Rieger wrote: >I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who >knows even less than I do. :) He is using a kermit script to dial >into a modem pool. The problem is that the modems are sometimes >in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out. I assumed >that just doing an atz before dialing would be best. The c-kermit >manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string. >I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before >I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the >beginning. The modem type is V42-telebit. Any suggestions as to >how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated. > To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, "Son, you've got the only manual there is". There is some additional info about Telebits in the ckcker.bwr. Well, a lot... But really, I think all you need to do is: C-Kermit>set modem v42-telebit C-Kermit>sho dial Modem: v42-telebit, speed: 38400 Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: \{17}AAAAATQ0X1S12=50 S2=43 I\{13} <--- Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13} Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Carrier: auto C-Kermit>exit There it is. But really, it turns out that C-Kermit 5A(190) and earlier support Telebits in a rather unnecessarily convoluted way, the upshot of which is that if you change the init string, you also wind up preventing some other important stuff from happening. In the forthcoming release, 5A(192), matters will be a lot simpler. But in the meantime, why not just do this: set carrier off output ATZ\13 set carrier auto and then DIAL. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 08:21:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:58:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:58:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!rzcom.stadt-mh.de!amt10pc10 From: rosenb@stadt-mh.de (h.-j. rosenberger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help: how to get PARAGRAPH character on German keyboard ???? Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 08:21:02 GMT Organization: Stadt Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: amt10pc10.stadt-mh.de Keywords: emulation, mapping, paragraph X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work o.k., except the mapping of the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to the host as \21, which is ok, because this is the place, where you can find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using. But instead, it should be mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 ! Do you know this problem? I constructed a work-around like this: >; >set key \21 \172 ; ---> " , " >set translation input on ; Uebersetzungsmechanismus einschalten >set translation input \172 \21 ; Zeichen Nr. 172 ---> Nr. 21 uebersetzen > This works for the display, but it does not work for documents, that will be printed, because now there is a strange character instead of ' !!!! PS: Of course, I did check the book and any related documents Thanks in advance HJR From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 12:36:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:29:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:29:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!homer.alpha.net!usenet From: Bill Masters Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 15 Aug 1995 12:36:45 GMT Organization: Alpha.net -- Milwaukee, WI Lines: 24 Message-Id: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: luna.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy out there in Kermit land ... Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) to a location in India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for instance, Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise at that distance is causing this. Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can be used? BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file transfer protocols. Any better place to post? Thanks in advance. In great humbleness, Bill Masters (bmasters@execpc.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:22:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:58:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:58:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Date: 9 Aug 1995 02:22:30 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 79 Message-Id: <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com> References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Take 2... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-) Joe D. wrote: # I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a #stab at matters. # SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations #on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved #since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast #medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP #Packet Driver. Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running something like this: [My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] -> [My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] -> [Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] -> [LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff... # Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible #for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host #and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it #is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you #have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either, although I can get some information from the server prompt using the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate! #gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect #of "the other end." # I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond hauling datagrams back and forth. All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it. # EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been #able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as #it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. # Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error is returned. # Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't #seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, #then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. # Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part... I don't know if what I have added is helpful in diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate. Thanks... ___________________________________________________________________ I know that I am man; in the day to come My portion will be as yours, no more, no less. - Sophocles, _Oedipus at Colonus_, 401 B.C Tr. E.F Watling, 1946, after "mainly... Jebb (Cambridge; 1889)." Never a Windoze user and proud of it. Mail: URL: From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 07:42:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!harbour.awod.com!usenet From: Carl.Hilton@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 11 Aug 1995 07:42:17 GMT Organization: Hilton Consulting Lines: 36 Message-Id: <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: chilton@awod.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp201.awod.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS is the Kermit command > to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT > 1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I > suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so > then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading > mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal > if SET PORT x is present. Thanks, SET PORT BIOS is something I haven't tried. > > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've > >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before > >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. > > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. > So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? > > Can someone plesase help. > > What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load > up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of > Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still > applies. This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP program that can be used is KERMIT? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:00:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:00:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:00:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: how to get PARAGRAPH character on German keyboard ???? Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:00:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <40t16t$mci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: emulation, mapping, paragraph Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de>, h.-j. rosenberger wrote: (Dear readers: Be sure to use 8-bit display and Latin-1 character set when reading this message or it will make no sense...) : We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work : o.k., except the mapping of the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to : the host as \21, which is ok, because this is the place, where you can : find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using. But instead, it should be : mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 ! : First, we should all be aware of the confusion surrounding the name "paragraph sign". Americans think it is the glyph that looks like a backwards uppercase "P" with two vertical strokes (6), whereas Europeans give this name to the one that looks a bit like an uppercase "S" with a circle in the middle ('). The real name for the "P" sign (6) is Pilcrow sign. In this text, "paragraph sign" refers to the true Paragraph sign ('). PC Code page 437 does not contain a Paragraph sign OR a Pilcrow sign. If you want to use Latin-1 as your terminal character set, then you should also set your PC code page to 850, because CP850 contains all the graphics characacters of Latin-1 (but, of course, using different codes): CHCP 850 SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP850 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE Then you can view and enter all Latin-1 characters. Below you can see how I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to enter them into this message: Par Pil Compose ' 6 ; Using Compose Key: Alt-c SO and Alt-c PP Alt-nnn ' 6 ; Using Alt-nnn method: Alt-245 and Alt-244 Neither of these methods is necessary if you have such keys directly on your national keyboard. The Alt-nnn method is documented in "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The Compose key is documented in the KERMIT.UPD file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:11:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:11:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:11:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:11:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <40t1qh$mma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. : > >I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running : > >WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. : > : > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. : : So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? : ... : This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP : program that can be used is KERMIT? : Again, the general rule is: Only one protocol stack of a given kind per network adapter. The situation is explained as clearly as we can possible contrive to explain it in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, which also contains a looooong writeup on WfW. The quickest, easiest, and cheapest solution to this problem is to lay out the $70 or so needed for a second Ethernet board. Then you can run two TCP/IP stacks simultaneously. If, however, you want to waste about $1000 worth of your time, you can try to chase down a software solution. Look in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt at item (6) for some possible starting points. If you achieve success with any of these methods, please don't hesitate to report back to this newsgroup, since, to my knowledge, nobody else has done so. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:17:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:17:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:17:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>, Bill Masters wrote: : Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD : drawings) to a location in India. Unfortunately the lines over there : seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped during the call : or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for : instance, Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time : out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise at that distance is causing this. : : Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better : methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can be used? : Try Kermit. It is designed to work on connections like this. I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both Kermit programs): set file type binary set receive packet-length 80 set window 20 In other words, binary-mode transfer using very short packets and a large window size. This should minimize not only the number of retransmissions caused by noise, but also result in reasonably fast performance and error-recovery time over a link that has a long round-trip delay. If this works satisfactorily, gradually increase the packet-length until the performance begins to take a nosedive. To learn all about Kermit software and documentation, visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 20:38:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmtlh10.bnr.ca!cocosco From: cocosco@bnr.ca (Cristian Cocosco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [^@] garbage in terminal session?? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:38:49 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Montreal Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: bmtlh571.bnr.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings everyone, I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #') to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like "ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program... Any ideas, hints, etc about where is the problem in my connection will be appreciated. Email preffered. My .kermrc : ---------------------------- set host xx.xx.xx.xx port set telnet newline-mode off set flow-control none set parity none ---------------------------- Cheers, Chris -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cristian Cocosco esn: 852-8826 phone: 514-761-8826 Bell-Northern Research, Montreal email: cocosco@bnr.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 17:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:44:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:44:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What are you using Kermit for? Date: 16 Aug 1995 17:44:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <40tapi$sei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is a time-worn truism that the maker of a product (like Kermit) never hears back from its users unless something is wrong. I would like to get a different kind of feedback at this point, of a rather specific nature: In this world that is rapidly changing from text-based online access to graphical browsers and such, where, specifically, is a text-based communications program still useful? When I say "text based", I'm speaking not about the user interface, but the intrinsically text-based nature of the terminal emulator ( Tektronix graphics aside :-). In other words, when the world is divided up between Web browsers and terminal emulators, what is the place of the terminal emulator (either serial or telnet based)? I would guess in at least the following areas and applications: . Organizations that have any kind of central computing facility -- timesharing systems, text-based online library catalogs, etc. Especially when telecommuting is a possibility. . For accessing BBS's. . For accessing text-based Internet service providers, where the customer basically gets a UNIX prompt (can people provide me with specific examples -- company names and locations, etc?) . For accessing commercial data services that are text based. I believe the following fall into this category. Please correct me if I am wrong, and please let me know about others I might have forgotten: Dow Jones News Retrieval MCI Mail Genie Delphi Discipline-specific services like Lexis, Nexis, Westlaw, Medline . Text-based information services on the Internet like: Library of Congress (dra.com) Weather (madlab.sprl.umich.edu:3000) Geography (martini.eecs.umich.edu:3000) Others... ??? . What else??? The Web is a wonderful thing, but everybody can't run a Web browser, at least not today, and Web browsers do have certain limitations (e.g. regarding character sets). AOL and MSN are wonderful things too, but they lock you in to a proprietary world. I like to think that products like Kermit stand for freedom of choice. What do you think? Please, if you will, just reply to kermit@columbia.edu by email rather than posting, so as to keep the newsgroup free for its primary purpose, which is (I think) tech support. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 18:41:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:41:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:41:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [^@] garbage in terminal session?? Date: 16 Aug 1995 18:41:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <40te4t$1bm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca>, Cristian Cocosco wrote: : I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out : server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #') : to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage : char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like : "ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program... : Has nothing to do with Kermit. Probably the host you are connecting to, or your terminal server, is inserting the NUL characters because it thinks you have an ASR-33 model Teletype or something, and is sending NULs as carriage-return padding to give the print head time to return to the left margin. Tell the host you have a modern terminal. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 02:10:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 22:56:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 22:56:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: smurman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Michael Murman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: timeout failure in one direction Date: 16 Aug 1995 19:10:04 -0700 Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 14 Message-Id: <40u8ds$oul@elaine46.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: elaine46.stanford.edu Keywords: kermit, fail, bug Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem with kermit on Unix boxes. I can download from work or school to my home computer without any problems, but going the other way causes a timeout failure *after* the entire file has been sent. The transfer appears to complete, but whatever the final data that needs to be sent gets a timeout error. This problem is reproducible, but only occurs on larger ascii files, or any binary file. Small text files (10k) will go through fine. I have kermit 190 at home, and have tried versions 188-190 on the receiving end to no avail. It also doesn't seem to matter what the flavor of Unix on the receiving end is. I guess I must have something set up wrong on my home computer, but I use the same initialization files on both sides. Thanks in advance for any help. Scott From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 06:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:05:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:05:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug16.121132.59080@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Aug 95 12:11:32 MDT References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >> What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load >> up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of >> Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still >> applies. > > This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP program that can > be used is KERMIT? ------------- We've said this in the release docs and on the radio (here) many times: Only ONE protocol stack of a given kind over a lan adapter at one time. We have offered support for running over several other vendor's TCP/IP stacks. We cannot solve the world's TCP/IP problems in one program. It's your choice of what to run, and how, for your clients. Letting a TCP/IP stack sit eating memory while not in use is not a swift idea in these times of vastly bloated applications, so apply thought to unloading what's not used. Batch files still work with Windows, so give them a try. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 17 03:56:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 02:02:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 02:02:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <2961@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 17 Aug 95 03:56:15 GMT References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Internet Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com>, Carl Hilton writes: [... attribution level lost ...] | > | > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've | > >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before | > >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. | > | > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. | > | | So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? Some people have been able to run kermit & MSTCP32 w/WfWG 3.11 together using my ndis3pkt.386 driver. The trick is to use different IP addresses for MSTCP32 and kermit. More generally, you need one IP address for MSTCP32 and one IP address for all your other packet-driver applications. This is because, although ndis3pkt includes a tcp session multiplexor that allows multiple packet-driver-based tcp/ip stacks to share the same IP address on one machine, ndis3pkt has no control over the MSTCP32 stack. If you try to use the same address for both, MSTCP32 will reset kermit's connections and such. Some people have been unable to get the MSTCP32+kermit+ndis3pkt combination to work in configurations that appear superficially identical to those which work elsewhere. I suspect there is some minor detail of interest to be found here, but I don't know what it is. :) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 17 14:29:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:33:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:33:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 17 Aug 1995 14:29:08 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 24 Message-Id: <40vjnk$rr9@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs4.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [to someone who wanted to send files over VERY noisy lines] >I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both >Kermit programs): > set file type binary > set receive packet-length 80 > set window 20 You might also want to set block 3 to enable more advanced error correction. If the lines are as bad as you say, a simple checksum might be insufficient. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 "Caffeine is one of the many substances that have been shown to cause laboratory experiments involving rats." -Dave Barry From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 13:10:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:57:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:57:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!news From: 93202832@comet.np.ac.sg (Edwinder Singh S/o Gurmukh S) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Script needed. Date: 16 Aug 1995 21:10:46 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 9 Message-Id: <40sqom$g9b@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone provide me with a simple Ms-Kermit redial script? Please email. Thank you in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin aka Wolf Email: 93202832@np.ac.sg Sometimes it's only madness that makes us what we are. Batman - Arkham Asylum ---------------------- http://arbornet.org/~edwinder ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 00:10:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!seas.smu.edu!!utagraph.uta.edu!srt1204 From: srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu (SCOTT R TAYLOR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for MS-DOS Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:10:32 GMT Organization: University of Texas Arlington Lines: 11 Message-Id: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utagraph.uta.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear reader, I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would greatly appreciate it. Your sincerely Scott Taylor E-mail : srt1204@omega.uta.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 14:05:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:01:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:01:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT220 vs VT320 Terminal Type on Unix Date: 18 Aug 1995 10:05:38 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4126ni$97b@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The default terminal type for MS-Kermit is vt320. Locally we pessimized this to vt102 because our Unix hosts don't have vt320 termcap or terminfo definitions. Now that I know a little bit more about MSK I'd like to change the local default terminal type, in part because some people want to use the Compose key to enter accented characters. vt220 supports Compose and our Unix hosts have vt220 terminal definitions. Questions: Is there any particular advantage to vt320 over vt220? If so, where can I get termcap and terminfo definitions for vt320? What do people connecting to SunOS and Solaris systems normally do? I don't like the thought of having to add a vt320 terminal definition to every Unix box on campus. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 17:02:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:09:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:09:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!ddi.digital.net!rac From: rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Date: 18 Aug 1995 17:02:42 GMT Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider Lines: 13 Message-Id: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rac%@ddi.digital.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get it working. This makes it very difficult to work in applications which rely on highlighting. Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either via reverse video or underline? Thanks. -- Roger Cornelius rac@ddi.digital.net sherpa!rac@uunet.uu.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 10:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:46:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:46:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Mike Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 05:24:55 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bos1f.delphi.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files even using 7 bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. Thanks Mike Anderson. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 11:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:53:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:53:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Novell's Lanwp and Kermit, mixed env Message-Id: <1995Aug18.174403.59276@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 17:44:03 MDT References: <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>, Jose Kirkland writes: > Hello, People! > > I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, > and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the > tcpip.... Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever > they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a > bootpd. > > I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever > kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which > sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was > loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int > handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix > ultimately. > > So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the > lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both > users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can > configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as > automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as > "cd ..". > > Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley > environment? > > Thanks in advance, > Josefa Kirkland > pc/Novell spec > jose@bernard.pitzer.edu -------------- Sympathy but not much useful advice from our end. If users have various programs loaded that require treatment before MS-DOS Kermit is run then you will have to develop a strategy for discovering the individual flavors. Recall that MSK also runs over TELAPI (Novell's Telnet layer to apps) so at least you can continue to run MSK with LWP/DOS. And, Kermit is able to read the DOS Environment so you can write scripts/macros which react to information there; use \$(Environment variable name) to get the variable's defining string. The NetWare login script can write to the DOS master Environment; thus Kermit can respond to NW login scripts too. My tuppence worth on users. They are a sly bunch, and they can do marvelous things when enticed. Just watch what happens on 24 Aug no matter what you advise. Full backups on 23 Aug is recommended. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:46:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:46:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!c9line9 From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 20:46:50 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 53 Message-Id: <412u7q$gvc_001@macau.ctm.net> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Reply-To: bmasters@execpc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line9.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>, Bill Masters wrote: > >Howdy out there in Kermit land ... > >Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) to a location in >India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped >during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for instance, >Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise >at that distance is causing this. > >Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can >be used? > >BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file transfer protocols. >Any better place to post? > >Thanks in advance. > >In great humbleness, > >Bill Masters >(bmasters@execpc.com) > > I have this kind of experience. Few years ago. I once download files for more the 20Mins from USA to here in South Asia. First you need a first a pair of top quality modem at both ends, so that your line would not be dropped. Then try to use Kermit as the start point, I prefer version from U of columbia than other kermit protocal bundled with comm. program, as those bundled sometime lack of the facilities to aloow fine tune the performace. First start with short packet (96), windows as 1, then try to increse the packet lengh. After determine the best packet length, try to find the best windows size. Than I would come back to try to modify the packet-length to increase the though put. Windows size play a important factor on trought put of long haul international link. I would use Zmodem on connection(s) known with good quality of line. ---SAM ==================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 05:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:24:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:24:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Message-Id: <1995Aug18.114240.59236@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 11:42:40 MDT References: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net>, rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius) writes: > I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to > connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear > to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get > it working. This makes it very difficult to work in applications > which rely on highlighting. > > Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either > via reverse video or underline? -------- I can't speak for your termcap/terminfo material. However, here is the section of Kermit's Wyse50 doc on the matter: WYSE ESCAPE SEQUENCE DESCRIPTION OF ACTION (* = Not Supported) ESC report terminal ident, send 3 bytes "50" ESC ! attrib writes all unprotected cells with attribute code attrib (Blank attribute is ignored) attrib action 0 normal video 1 *blank 2 blink 3 *blank 4 reverse video 8 underscore 40h dim (attrib is a byte with these bits as components, using a bias of ASCII "0", 30h) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:01:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:00:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.injersey.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: SREEDHAR.RAMANAN@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 55 Message-Id: <412scj$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet2.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELLO: I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows: STARTNET.BAT ---------------------------- LSL TOKEN ODIPKT 1 99 WINPKT 0x63 IPXODI VLM and NET.CFG --------------- protocol KERMIT bind Token Link Driver TOKEN Frame TOKEN-RING Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway Unable to connect to the host ?Cannot start connection The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available. Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through Windows 3.1 However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the ODI packet driver. Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sreedhar Ramanan RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:08:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:08:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:08:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.injersey.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:08:01 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 55 Message-Id: <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet2.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELLO: I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows: STARTNET.BAT ---------------------------- LSL TOKEN ODIPKT 1 99 WINPKT 0x63 IPXODI VLM and NET.CFG --------------- protocol KERMIT bind Token Link Driver TOKEN Frame TOKEN-RING Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway Unable to connect to the host ?Cannot start connection The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available. Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through Windows 3.1 However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the ODI packet driver. Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sreedhar Ramanan RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 19 04:14:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:00:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: sclaass@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Stephen N. Claassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: 18 Aug 1995 21:14:39 -0700 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <413off$7i8@cello.gina.calstate.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Anderson (andersonmb@delphi.com) wrote: : I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand : that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files using : 7 bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. -- Kermit on the pc that originates the failed transfers is probably trying to send the files as binaries. Make sure your files are truly 7-bit ascii files. Uuencode the files if you can't determine this directly because binary files will not transfer over over a 7-bit connection without some kind of translation. Don't worry about changing your data byte size. If you can maintain a connection at all, your 7/8 bit setting is fine. Depending on what kermit flavor you're running, set the default file type to ascii or text. That option may be in your startup script, on a pull-down menu, or...8:) -- steve claassen ------------------------------- sclaass@cello.gina.calstate.edu the opinions i express are my own and in no way do my opinions represent the views of my employer (or anyone else for that matter). From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 21:37:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:35:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:35:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.claremont.edu!usenet From: Jose Kirkland Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Novell's Lanwp and Kermit, mixed env Date: 18 Aug 1995 21:37:34 GMT Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 32 Message-Id: <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: horton.pitzer.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, People! I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the tcpip.... Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a bootpd. I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix ultimately. So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as "cd ..". Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley environment? Thanks in advance, Josefa Kirkland pc/Novell spec jose@bernard.pitzer.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 13:21:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:21:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:21:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: 19 Aug 1995 13:21:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <414og0$dra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Anderson wrote: >I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand >that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files even using 7 >bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. > Yes, it's very simple. Tell Kermit to "set parity space". Then you can transfer binary files. That's it, period. For additional information about Kermit, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 10:16:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:40:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:40:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Message-Id: <1995Aug18.161635.59266@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 16:16:34 MDT References: <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net>, RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.ATTMAIL.COM writes: > HELLO: > > I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell >Token-Ring Server. I am > loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, > Token-Ring_Snap > for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as >follows: I have unwrapped your lines; please press the Enter key before approaching column 80, thanks. > > STARTNET.BAT > ---------------------------- > > LSL > TOKEN > ODIPKT 1 99 > WINPKT 0x63 > IPXODI > VLM > > > > and NET.CFG > --------------- > > protocol KERMIT > bind Token There are no alternatives to choose amongst, so you may omit the two lines above. > Link Driver TOKEN > Frame TOKEN-RING > Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING > Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > > Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, >Kermit comes up with the > following error message: > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway > Unable to connect to the host > ?Cannot start connection > > The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and >using the > Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back >as TCP/IP Available. Dan Lanciani may wish to amplify matters here. Basically ODIPKT is relaying Token-Ring_SNAP frames to the application (Kermit). ODIPKT should say this on its startup banner. Kermit understands Ethernet and SLIP frames but not Token Ring. However, you may run Kermit *directly* over ODI with Token-Ring_SNAP frames, but that makes life difficult without winpkt if Windows is active (don't do it, or check the "lock application in memory" box in Kermit's PIF). If ODIPKT reports "class 1" (aka Ethernet II frames) then the problem is probably in your TCP/IP setup. Class 3 is Token-Ring_SNAP. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 21:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:05:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:05:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: johnbach%net@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Restrict) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Government Restricts Internet!! Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 21:49:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-val-ca1-12.ix.netcom.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SPEAK UP AMERICA -- MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT Question: Should the United States Government interfere and put restrictions on the use of the Internet?? 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From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 22:02:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:23:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:23:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 19 Aug 1995 22:02:39 GMT From: johnbach%net@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Restrict) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:08:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:11:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:11:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: JMGREEN@cc.snow.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS/Telix Transfers Date: 20 Aug 1995 18:08:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 15 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to and from Telix Kermit. I have had little trouble except that the transfer is at 200cps. (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work because Zmodem has such a wierd author!) But recently Kermit has said "Can't create file" or something like that when it is told to download. (Uploads are still the same -- slow but sure) I have done nothing to the kermit.ini file not to Telix -- indeed I can think of nothing I have done to the system EXCEPT change from NW7 to MS622. What does the group think might have happened? Where do you think I should look???? Please help poor ol' Jim Green . . . jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:29:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:29:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:29:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS/Telix Transfers Date: 20 Aug 1995 23:29:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <418ggg$8fs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu>, wrote: : Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to : and from Telix Kermit. I have had little trouble except that the : transfer is at 200cps. (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work...) : I think this is the real question to be answered. What version of MS-DOS Kermit do you have and in what way doesn't it work? It is hard to imagine a situation in which Telix would work and MS-DOS Kermit would not. Perhaps if you described your configration, connection, and the nature of the problem? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:55:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 20:10:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 20:10:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!bb324 From: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Subject: Giflink? Message-Id: Sender: bb324@freenet.carleton.ca (Chris Benjamin) Reply-To: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 23:55:28 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this doesnt belong in here, but does anyone know where i could get giflink on the net? i didnt know what group to post in. thanx -- ---------------==============>*LOWPROFILE*<==============--------------- bb324@freenet.carleton.ca http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bs350 From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 21 01:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:15:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:15:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!cf77 From: cf77@columbia.edu (Carrson Fung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: uart problem Date: 21 Aug 1995 01:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <418mn3$cbm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem using the serial port on a compaq aero laptop. I was trying to hook up the computer with a UPS unit in this fashion: UPS--signal converter (home-made)--laptop serial port (DB9) The computer uses a 16550AF UART chip. We use the UPS s/w to talk to the UPS. The problem is the computer frozed when I started using the s/w. My believe is that the converter is sending RS-232C signals (voltage levels) that might be slightly off the tolerance level of the UART. I also noticed when I used kermit (instead of the mfr prog) to talk to the UPS, I got a msg saying "This port operates through the BIOS". I didn't get the msg if I am talking to a modem (external). And if I use the Terminal prog under Windows-Apps, the initialization can fix the prob, and make subsequent progs (like kermit or the mfr prog) works as it suppose to. Can someone tell me what sort of initialization does the Terminal prog use that makes things go right? I believe it might have something to do with setting the right IRQ, but I am not sure. If anyone has a solution, please send me email. Thanks, Carrson Fung From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 21 17:43:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:39:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:39:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!guldager From: guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 21 Aug 1995 17:43:51 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: calais.daimi.aau.dk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:1942 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3463 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi... I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the session. The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the errors mentioned herein. Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ??? Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? Can anyone help ??? Thanks in advance /hans -- Hans Guldager Knudsen | Finsensgade 51, 4 mf Stud Comp Sci | DK-8200 Aarhus N Daimi, Aarhus Universitet, Danmark | Tlf. (+45) 86 16 82 55 E-mail: guldager@daimi.aau.dk | Member of TeamOS/2 From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 11:14:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:25:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 22 Aug 1995 11:14:52 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: >Hi... > >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running >Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. > >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the >session. > >The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the >errors mentioned herein. > >Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ??? >Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? > >Can anyone help ??? > >Thanks in advance >/hans > >-- >Hans Guldager Knudsen | Finsensgade 51, 4 mf I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 13:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:15:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:15:34 -0400 Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit, SLiRP, and telnet Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:44:03 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since I've moved on campus, I've been using a DOV unit on the Xyplex server. I've been trying to get SLiRP to work, and most things work fine (I'm able to read news, browse the web, etc.), but perhaps the most important thing, telnet, does not work. It doesn't matter if I use C-Kermit's telnet, OS/2 telnet, or whatever. Over the summer, when I was dialing in to the Physics Computer Network's Annex server, everything worked fine, so it seems to point to the Xyplex server. I've tried "set session passall." Actually, I've tried everything in the Xyplex's manual. I've also tried every configuration of flow control, prefixing, etc. (including the most holy 255). Please help. SLIP is great, but it won't be complete without telnet. Thanks, Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 14:36:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:36:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:36:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 22 Aug 1995 14:36:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: : In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: : >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, : >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. : > : >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the : >session. : : I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using : kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not : been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note : that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens : reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! : If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode, the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET). Explanation: perhaps Kermit has received an APC, DCS, or other escape sequence which introduces a string of arbitrary length, which must be terminated by another escape sequence called ST (String Terminator). Now if an APC, DCS, etc, shows up by accident -- e.g. as garbage, or because of a terminal-type or character-set mismatch, then Kermit will wait forever for the ST that isn't coming, and will therefore appear to be hung. Solution: RESET the terminal emulator with ST. This is not, by the way, a shortcoming of Kermit -- it's exactly how VT220 and VT320 terminals work. And, unlike the real terminals, Kermit *does* give you a reset button :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:04:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit sending CR/LF, instead of just CR? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:04:50 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <41cv1s$l0b@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-141.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) wrote: > We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server >using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string >it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR. Tan, CKermit has the command: set terminal newline-mode [on, off] (convert CR to CRLF) I quote from "Using CKermit" ... "Normally OFF. Don't use this one unless your CONNECT-mode screens look loke they need it. The normal indications are that the remote host does not respond to your commands, or that your commands over-write one another." And MSKermit has: set terminal newline [on, off] From "Using MS-DOS Kermit" ... "Normally when you press the Enter Key, Kermit sends a carriage return only. SET TERMINAL NEWLINE ON makes it send both a carriage return and linefeed, which is useful in PC-to-PC communications. Perhaps you've got it turned on. If this is not the case, please supply more information about the undesired effects. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 15:55:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:43:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:43:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit, SLiRP, and telnet Date: 22 Aug 1995 11:55:18 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 24 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu's message of Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:44:03 GMT X-Posting-Software: (ding) Gnus v0.99.17 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.99.17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I can think of two things to try: If you're using a version of SLiRP older than 0.9o, upgrade to 0.95e. If you're using SLiRP 0.95e, try using 0.9o instead. If neither of these work you might want to ask over on alt.dcom.slip-emulators. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.3, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMDn9wp6VRH7BJMxHAQE/IQP/SwYfzZgTWGB+gDDEodWNJolhm34fFwcI VEmR8DW7jD255QJXhPjomTazljaK0/oOux/ubWUd08MDYiWocS/yd1+J4wPgU45m WInxJUAnyzV/P8bBgO/kP2/hp8EAm4afO8Q9cc8mIFuuMVkk1WfZMplJaRtzjYwc QF1lCAriqgs= =kpd8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When in doubt, cop an attitude. -A cat's \ guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:54:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:40:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:40:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!ftpbox!mothost!newdelph.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Marco Not Being Set Date: 22 Aug 1995 16:54:16 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 130 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <41d23o$gli@newdelph.cig.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tapir.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using the standard .kermrc file (ckermit.ini) I find that the built in Macro UNIXLOGIN is not being set. If I do a show macros I get the following output: Macros: _dialdir = /home/tapir/broezell/.kdd _forx = _assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,- define \\\%1 \%2,- :top,- if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto bot,- \%6,- :inc,- incr \\\%1 \%4,- goto top,- :bot,- _putargs},- def break goto bot,- def continue goto inc,- do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },- _assign _for\v(cmdlevel) _myinit = /home/tapir/broezell/.mykermrc _send = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 _servicedir = /home/tapir/broezell/.ksd _while = _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,- :inc,- \%1,- \%2,- goto inc,- :bot,- _putargs},- _def break goto bot,- _def continue goto inc,- do _whi\v(cmdlevel),- _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) _xif = _assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,- \%1,- _putargs},- do _if\v(cmdlevel),- _assign _if\v(cmdlevel) access = echo { Services directory not available.} bget = remote set file type binary,- if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 binary = set file type binary bsend = binary,- _send \%1 \%2 edit = if = \v(argc) 2 assign myfile \%1,- if not def myfile echo Edit what?,- else run \m(myeditor) \m(myfile) fast = ech FAST file transfer settings - use at your own risk...,- set win 5,- set rec packet 5000,- set contr u all,- set con p 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 fatal = if def \%1 echo \%1,- if not = \v(local) 0 hangup,- stop 1 ibm-linemode = set parity mark,- set dupl half,- set handsh xon,- set flow none list = echo { Services directory not available.} myeditor = vi myfile = .kermrc pcget = apc server,- msleep 200,- if not eq "\v(ftype)" "" remote set file type \v(ftype),- xif def \%2 { get,- \%1,- \%2,- asg _tmp \v(status) } else { get \%1,- asg _tmp \v(status) },- fin,- end \m(_tmp) pcsend = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set delay 1,- apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 robust = set win 1,- set rec packet 90,- set con p all text = set file type text tget = remote set file type text,- if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 tsend = text,- _send \%1 \%2 vtprint = echo \27[5i,- type \%1,- echo \27[4i Entering UNIXLOGIN gives the following: ?No keywords match - unixlogin Am I doing something wrong here? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 21:46:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:06:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC dropping out of server mode on connect Date: 22 Aug 1995 21:46:00 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#41cv41$t3l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another. I set up PC A as a server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." When I dial in from PC B, as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and goes back to command line mode. This makes it impossible to transfer files. Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's causing the latter to drop out of server mode? This doesn't happen when I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A. PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both. I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped? Or could it be something else? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 00:06:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:16 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:06:08 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 00:06:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:21 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:06:38 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 23 01:48:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nwfocus.wa.com!nwestnews!usenet From: robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Date: 22 Aug 1995 18:48:50 -0700 Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Lines: 9 Sender: robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com Message-Id: Reply-To: robert.nicholson@mccaw.com Nntp-Posting-Host: seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.99.11 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3472 comp.sys.palmtops:29609 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF. -- The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the poster and not his employer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 05:57:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:25:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:25:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Date: 23 Aug 1995 05:57:00 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <41efvc$v6@bug.rahul.net> References: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roger Cornelius (rac@digital.net) wrote: : I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to : connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear : to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get I don't use the wy50 mode personally, but it is in use in my office. The people who use it are quite impressed with the highlighting and colors that appear, in what ProcommPlus for Windows treated as a monochrome adventure. Perhaps your wy50 terminfo needs some tuning. I think I have a stock ESIX SVR4.0.4 system, but someone might have made changes. Send email for some followup. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 10:09:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:31:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:31:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!daily-planet.execpc.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: font@MCS.COM (Font) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Date: 23 Aug 1995 05:09:15 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <41euob$39q@Venus.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com (Robert Nicholson) writes: >I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT >Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? >ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF. Don't quote me on this, but you may want to check out the SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY and/or SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE commands. As the help says, "Type SHOW TERMINAL to see current terminal settings." -- font@mcs.net Wishes are like dishes. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 10:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:53:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:53:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!ecostat!eco891950 From: eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk (CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit ? Date: 23 Aug 95 10:01:13 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: ecostat.aau.dk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) And what is the latest version? Thanks Chr. Wounlund From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:12:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:16:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!freenet.buffalo.edu!bp469 From: bp469@freenet.buffalo.edu (Nathan G. Finstuen) Subject: Where can I find individual Kermit files?? Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:12:33 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI without having to download the whole file again. As you can probably figure out, I screwed them up trying to tweak them out! :( -- ....................................................................... | Nathan Finstuen 405 Lilly Court | | Electronics Technician Holmen, WI 54636 | ....................................................................... From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 13:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:53:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:53:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 23 Aug 1995 13:46:52 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <41fbgc$iqn@news.jhu.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: >: In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: >: >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, >: >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. >: > >: >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the >: >session. >: >: I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using >: kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not >: been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note >: that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens >: reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! >: >If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode, >the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET). > >- Frank Again, this works sometimes but not always. Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:03:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:59:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:59:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit sending CR/LF, instead of just CR? Date: 22 Aug 1995 16:03:13 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 20 Message-Id: <41cv41$t3l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) writes: > We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server >using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string >it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR. > > Can this be controled from kermit? > Is this a telnet parameter? Try SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 22:26:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:03:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:03:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!wega.fibronics.de!odb!incom!win From: win@incom.rhein-main.de (Winfried Koenig) Subject: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor' Organization: Individual Network, Rhein-Main Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:26:45 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx or kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use some different init files (with -y option) but had no success. I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host. The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit. Any help would be useful. Winfried From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 02:37:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:37:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!usenet From: kwstreet@io.org (Kevin W Street) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 24 Aug 1995 02:37:00 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.net2.io.org X-Newsreader: NeoLogic News for OS/2 [version: 4.2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream as - go to command mode O - open a line A - insert the letter A If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. However if I do: define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect set key \584 \KUpArrNew then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode momentarily. I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the macro). -- kwstreet@io.org Kevin W Street From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 13:26:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:26:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:26:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit ? Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:26:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <41hulj$6bp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat>, CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND wrote: >Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) > >And what is the latest version? > The best place to find out answers to questions like this is our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 13:32:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:32:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:32:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor' Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:32:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <41hv0p$6gc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Winfried Koenig wrote: : I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to : start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use : : kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : or : kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : : kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use : : kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : : the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use : some different init files (with -y option) but had no success. : : I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to : handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host. : The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit. : Kermit's own script language could handle all this, too, probably easier and better than Perl script, but, to answer your question, Kermit assumes that when you invoke it with an open file descriptor, that the device (which could be anything, not just a tty port) has already been set up as desired and the connection has already been made. Thus there is no need to include the "-m modem-type" option. Try leaving it out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 20:56:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:33:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:33:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: h970@dmt03.mcc.virginia.edu Subject: What Kermit to get? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tcl4ppc.mcc.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Med Center Computing X-Newsreader: IBM RN 3.8c (OS/2 2.0) bugfixed by mittelst@fh-ulm.de Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:56:04 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking to batch download files from our mainframe. We have kermit for the mainframe and I know there's an ftp site at columbia, but what kermit files do I need to start. The machine will be a pc running windows or dos if need be. Thanks, Tom From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:03:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:29:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:03:38 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 57 Message-Id: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP. One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error message we get is: Cannot access IP type packets Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem. The NET.CFG looks something like this: Link Support Buffers 8 1500 MemPool 4096 Max Boards 4 Max Stacks 4 Link Driver 3c503 Port 300 INT 5 FRAME ETHERNET_II FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II Link Driver NE2000 Port 300 INT 3 FRAME ETHERNET_II FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II Netware DOS Requester Preferred Server="HQFS1" Name Context=".CSD.SMRT" First Network Drive=F Netware Protocol=NDS BIND Thanks in advance. Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:27:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:33:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:33:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:27:20 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 12 Message-Id: <41eop8$37h@raffles.technet.sg> References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Further to my previous post, the NIC is the Mitron LX2000/T series. Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:29:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:34:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:34:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:29:42 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41eotm$37h@raffles.technet.sg> References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Aaarrgghhh! It's me again! We also have a few DEC EtherWORKS Turbo TP cards. We get the same problem. Regards Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 01:29:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:48:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:48:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!silas.cc.monash.edu.au!not-for-mail From: palexiou@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr P Alexiou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for NT availability ??? Date: 25 Aug 1995 11:29:51 +1000 Organization: Monash University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: silas.cc.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: palexiou X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject saids it all. An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed OS/2 version would be great. Is any port being planned ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 14:36:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:36:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:36:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug24.203626.59666@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Aug 95 20:36:26 MDT References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 105 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > Hi, > > Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting > PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP. > > One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently > we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error > message we get is: > > Cannot access IP type packets > Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > > When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem. > The NET.CFG looks something like this: Your NET.CFG file looks ok to me. However, in case no one has pointed out a soft spot let me indicate that IRQ 3 is used by COM2 and hence cannot coexist with the network board. Please check for hardware conflicts. In addition, not all NE-2000 clones are created equal, and as they say, some are more equal than others. The overall point is the lan driver may not load properly because of hardware conflicts or the board does not match the driver. In such cases Kermit (and IPXODI for that matter) will be unable to find a board and declare errors such as you cite. Hints on loading are often displayed as the MLID (board driver) is loading; they can be redirected to a log file by > filename appended to the loading command. Here is an example of what I mean: @echo off set nwlanguage=ENGLISH c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\lsl.com >startup.log c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ne3200.com >>startup.log c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ipxodi /d >>startup.log c:\nwclient\vlm /mX /v4 /c=c:\nwclient\net.cfg >>startup.log @echo on Further, the MLID itself can report on its state by reinvoking it with a /S argument, such as ne3200 /s shown below: Novell NE3200 Ethernet MLID v2.04 (950405) (C) Copyright 1991 - 1995 Novell, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following LAN drivers are loaded in memory: Novell NE3200 Ethernet v2.04 is loaded at Segment D7F9h. Slot 6, IRQ 5, Port 6000, Node Address 1B16A7D4 L Max Frame 1514 bytes, Line Speed 10 Mbps, Bus ID 2 Board 1, Frame ETHERNET_II, LSB Mode Board 2, Frame ETHERNET_802.3, LSB Mode Board 3, Frame ETHERNET_802.2, LSB Mode Board 4, Frame ETHERNET_SNAP, LSB Mode (I have four frame kinds loaded for experimental purposes; only one, Ethernet_II, is needed and recommended for general use.) Reinvokation this way does not install a second instance of the driver, so this is a safe test. Finally, if you have another TCP/IP stack operating over the same board then the same error message will be produced. The rule is only one protocol stack of the same kind over one board. Joe D. > Link Support > Buffers 8 1500 > MemPool 4096 > Max Boards 4 > Max Stacks 4 > > Link Driver 3c503 > Port 300 > INT 5 > FRAME ETHERNET_II > FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II > > Link Driver NE2000 > Port 300 > INT 3 > FRAME ETHERNET_II > FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II > > Netware DOS Requester > Preferred Server="HQFS1" > Name Context=".CSD.SMRT" > First Network Drive=F > Netware Protocol=NDS BIND > > Thanks in advance. > > Robert > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | > | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | > | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 12:31:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for NT availability ??? Date: 25 Aug 1995 12:31:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <41kfrp$bt2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au>, Mr P Alexiou wrote: : An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed : OS/2 version would be great. : Yes. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 13:03:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:36:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:36:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC dropping out of server mode on connect Message-Id: <1995Aug22.190359.59497@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Aug 95 19:03:59 MDT References: <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta writes: > I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another. I set up PC A as a > server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." When I dial in from PC B, > as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and > goes back to command line mode. This makes it impossible to transfer files. > > Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's > causing the latter to drop out of server mode? This doesn't happen when > I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A. > > PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics > Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both. > I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped? Or could it be Alt-x is not a control code and has no ASCII representation. Try SET DEBUG ON and/or LOG PACKETS to see what the answering modem is sending to Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 18:26:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:26:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:26:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 25 Aug 1995 18:26:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <41l4kg$q5f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street wrote: : I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with : the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to : a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the : same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream : as - go to command mode : O - open a line : A - insert the letter A : : If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. : : However if I do: : define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect : set key \584 \KUpArrNew : then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode : momentarily. : : I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm : avoiding with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal : emulation to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I : have to use the macro). -- kwstreet@io.org Kevin W Street : This would be a bug. Evidently you have discovered the workaround :-) It will be fixed in the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 23:24:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:53:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:53:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!usenet From: kmhouse@halcyon.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit wil *not* drop connection to machine "B" Date: 25 Aug 1995 23:24:45 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 4 Message-Id: <41lm3t$d4p@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: halcyon.com Summary: Machine in server mode will not accept "bye" or "finish" command Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit bye finish From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 26 14:59:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:51:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:51:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit ? Date: 27 Aug 1995 00:29:46 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <41nct2$4op@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND (eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk) wrote: : Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) : And what is the latest version? : Chr. Wounlund Filename: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.zip Version: 3.14, 21 May 1995. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 04:57:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 01:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 01:51:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!nova.voicenet.com!omni.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer through shell account? Date: 27 Aug 1995 00:57:04 -0400 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access (800)835-5710 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: omni.voicenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. TIA, -- Bob Dougherty I speaks fer meselfk bobd@omni.voicenet.com And not no one elsek. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 13:55:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:55:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:55:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:55:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41ptfk$466@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>, Bob Dougherty wrote: >I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. >From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files >between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit >but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. > Yes. Just tell Kermit to "set parity space". Use short packets, small windows, don't unprefix control characters; if that works, then work up until you achieve peak performance. Or use "rlogin -8" rather than TELNET. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 17:23:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:50:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:50:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SESSION.LOG .. Is there a way to make it wrap? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 17:23:44 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <809544224@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 on an IBM-Clone to give me a console on a Unix mainframe. The theory is that if the mainframe dies, pre-death messages will still be stored in the PC's session log. So what I need is a way to make the session log wrap around (or swap logfiles) when it reaches (say) 5000 lines. Does anyone have a way of doing this on the fly? I am aware that some of what I need is covered through screen rollback - but the PC is a VERY ancient 286 (!) with limited memory - and if I retain more than about 16 pages, I don't have enough memory to do 'run' commands from within kermit (actually kermite). Besides, if the power dies, rollback gets lost. Any suggestions welcome! Thanks .. Graham Jenkins TABCORP Melbourne, Australia grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 26 23:03:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:55:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:55:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: archive site? Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 18:03:46 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the archive... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Environmentalist on toilet tissues: "Help save our environment... use both sides of the paper." ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 18:59:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:59:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:59:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: archive site? Date: 27 Aug 1995 18:59:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <41qfa2$g1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: : Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at : ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the : archive... : The one and only official ftp site for Kermit software is kermit.columbia.edu. The OS/2 version is in kermit/archives, binary mode, file cko190.zip. Unzip, install, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 20:23:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:03:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:03:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "set carrier" Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:23:01 -0700 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: <41in35$2sb@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > set carrier off > output ATZ\13 > set carrier auto I recommend that the keyword be changed in the next release, from "carrier" to "carrier-watch". This would make it a little more obvious that the "set carrier-watch on" command does not turn CD on or off; it tells KERMIT whether or not to pay attention to the Carrier Detect signal that comes from the modem. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data Services Div, Product Tech Support (TYMNET Code Gen) 2560 N 1st St, MS-5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." http://www.inwap.com/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 01:49:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:49:06 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is. But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the support/bug been taken out? ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many bugs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just two; but I have no idea how THEY got in there. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 03:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:35:25 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as Z-modem transfer at 9600? ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many bugs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just two; but I have no idea how THEY got in there. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 18:30:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help Date: 28 Aug 1995 18:30:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <41t20k$k06@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: >I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I >got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set >at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- >whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is. > >But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work >anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the >support/bug been taken out? Please read the CKERMIT.INF file that comes with 191 and you will find that as of 191, C-Kermit has built-in support for a wide variety of screen widths and heights. By building this into the program we are able to respond to host initiated screen mode changes and report user initiated changes to the host via Telnet NAWS. SET TERMINAL { WIDTH, HEIGHT } Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 20:39:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:39:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:39:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: 28 Aug 1995 20:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <41t9hn$q0p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: >Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as >Z-modem transfer at 9600? > Depends on the Kermit implementation and how it's tuned. Please read the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 14:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:41:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:41:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Message-Id: <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Aug 95 20:09:53 MDT References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>, bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) writes: > I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. > From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files > between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit > but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. -------- Think of matters this way. Host A is running an interactive shell for your PC to Host A communications link, and bytes going to or from that shell move along the wire to your PC. If you run a program (say telnet) on Host A bytes still move the same way. Now, after logging into Host B you put Kermit in server mode on it. You should be able to "escape back" (that means on the PC, ALT-x to get the MSK prompt) and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage return, end of packet) which are Kermit packet delimiters. Basically this ought to work IF the Kermit on Host B can talk down the telnet connection. So check the Host B part and maybe you will be in luck. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 15:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:50:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!nova.voicenet.com!omni.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Date: 28 Aug 1995 11:42:15 -0400 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access (800)835-5710 Lines: 19 Message-Id: <41so4n$pip@omni.voicenet.com> References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: omni.voicenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: (snip...) >and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may >be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control >codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage Joe: Thanks for your reply (you too, Frank!). I followed your advice and managed to do some xfers through not one but 2 intermediate hosts! The problem was Joe's 'gotcha': I was originally using the 'screen' program on one of the in-the-middle hosts. Control-A is screen's escape character! Once I eliminated 'screen', I was able to transfer via Kermit. Trouble is, I'd like to keep using 'screen'. Next time, I'll use its command-line option to change its escape character. -- Bob Dougherty I speaks fer meselfk bobd@omni.voicenet.com And not no one elsek. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 18:38:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail From: schenke@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Richard Schenke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 28 Aug 1995 13:38:46 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 47 Message-Id: <41t2fm$o7i@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> References: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street wrote: >I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with >the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to >a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the >same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream >as - go to command mode > O - open a line > A - insert the letter A > I had the same problem with true dumb terminals, not emulations. I don't remember the details, but we found several workarounds: 1) try to use h, j, k and l for cursor movement instead of the arrow keys, 2) See if the Unix administrator can provide for a time delay after receiving ESC. I don't remember if this was a system-level setting or a user option for vi. It causes the host to wait for more incoming characters before acting on an escape. 3) change your terminal emulation setting to send ESC [ A instead of ESC O A. Better yet, use 8-bit control if you can, so the emulation will send #8F=SS3 instead of ESC O, and #9B=CSI instead of ESC [. >If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. > >However if I do: > define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect > set key \584 \KUpArrNew >then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode >momentarily. > >I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding >with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation >to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the >macro). No matter how fast Kermit sends the characters, if you go through protocol translations on the way to your host, the ESC may get split into a different block from the rest of the command, and the arrival times may exceed the host's delay time. If you set the delay time really long, it will take a long time for the 'naked' ESC for ending input mode to be acted on. You may include your edit keystrokes as text. (We were first using Televideo 955 terminals, and the arrow keys sent control characters. Then we got Beehive vt100 clones and started seeing this problem. Our resident Unix guru worked the details.) === Richard Schenke From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 05:07:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:23:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:22:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: lgreene@omnifest.uwm.edu (Laura Greene) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: accessing a serial device on UNIX -- HELP! Date: 28 Aug 1995 00:07:49 -0500 Organization: Omnifest Lines: 33 Distribution: na Message-Id: <41riv5$thl@omnifest.uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.70.58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's hoping a kermit/serial device guru can help. I have been trying to access a serial device via unix. (HP-UX, actually). I need to send a "connect" string, and then go into an infinite loop, receiving and processing, a char at a time. (this device sends me a packet of about 64 bits/minute. my problem is that when I have sent the string, my next read fails. I have tried forking, and having one device read and one write, but the read either hangs completely, or GIVES ME THE STRING THAT I SENT IN, and nothing else. However, when I reset the modem, while the program continues to run, everything is cool, and I can do all my reads (though of course, I had not sent my connect string). I have enabled CREAD via ioctl(), and I have what I think is a fairly raw device. so what do I need to do to get the read to work following a write? I have the C-Kermit source, and hacked that down to 1000 lines, and can't see that it is doing anything besides non-blocking IO. I thought that I might have to flash DTR or something, but that wasn't it, nor was putting forks in various places. Anybody got any ideas? I suppose its possible that my fork is not in the right place, forking before or after I actually open the device.... help! I'm confused! it can't be that hard to do what I want to do! thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 09:42:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:26:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INT14 drivers under MS-Windows? Date: 28 Aug 1995 19:12:16 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 9 Message-Id: <41s31o$7b8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This isn't specifically an MS-Kermit question, but does MS-Windows 3.1 need to be told anything about COM1 when using a 3rd party INT14h driver that appears to be BIOS port 1? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 10:47:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:29:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:29:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Waiting ... Date: 29 Aug 1995 10:47:38 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 28 Message-Id: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX, kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER command on the VAX. The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. My .INI commands are output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries. Am I doing something wrong. LONGJOB.COM finishes up with $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT thanks Eoin Bairead Dublin Ireland From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 12:53:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Waiting ... Date: 29 Aug 1995 12:53:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <41v2kh$d42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a : VAX, kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output : through a SERVER command on the VAX. : : The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) : : VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. : : My .INI commands are : output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB : input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts : input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT : get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output : : what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE : VAX JOB IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for : retries. : : Am I doing something wrong. : You need to handle failures after each INPUT statement, for example: INPUT 9999 machine IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server within 9999 seconds. 9999 seconds is 166 minutes, which should be more than ample time. On the off-chance that some counter is overflowing, maybe you could get by with a smaller number, like 1000, which would be 16 minutes. More likely, however, something interfered with Kermit during the long INPUT wait. Maybe you touched the keyboard, or maybe something is messing with your PC's timer chip. You can add all sorts of debugging capacity to your script to narrow down what is happening, for example: ECHO Long INPUT begins at \v(time) INPUT 1000 machine IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server at \v(time) : LONGJOB.COM finishes up with : $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT : I'd also recommend you convert from Kermit-32 to C-Kermit 5A(190). Not only does it work better and faster, but it has a much more meaningful message that you can look for: KERMIT READY TO SERVE... More info about current Kermit versions at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 06:35:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:08:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Waiting ... Message-Id: <1995Aug29.123550.60013@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Aug 95 12:35:50 MDT References: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>, ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) writes: > I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX, > kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER > command on the VAX. > > The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) > > VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. > > My .INI commands are > output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB > input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts > input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT > get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output > > what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB > IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries. > > Am I doing something wrong. > > LONGJOB.COM finishes up with > $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT > > thanks > Eoin Bairead > Dublin > Ireland ---------- SET INPUT ECHO ON to watch what the VAX sends to the PC. Also look at CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER to ensure old text is not stumbled over. IF SUCCESS commands are useful to separate cases of success and timeout failures. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 21:58:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:04:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:04:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!werner From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and Virtual Modems Message-Id: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:58:33 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present. It recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. AT&T Technical Support suggests that he buy an external modem. Is there a way around this, such as a DOS driver or something that would make his virtual modem recognize Kermit addressing? Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 00:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:26:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:26:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:13:15 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? > > Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 09:04:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:54:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:54:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard file for Wyse50 (MSKERMIT-3.14) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 09:04:39 GMT Lines: 5 Message-Id: <809773479@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone have one, or know where one can be got? Graham Jenkins TABCORP Melbourne, Australia grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 13:47:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:51:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:51:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 29 Aug 1995 13:47:50 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the kermit prompt itself. Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. I can use e-mail, gopher, and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the latest mskermit using these other methods? Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 05:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:24:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:24:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: kermit script for unix Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:10:10 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work. It's like it does not even see the incoming charcters. I have set up scripts like this before for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos machine. Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos? thanks in advance -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 17:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:46:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:46:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!news From: Paolo Franzi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows 95 version Date: 29 Aug 1995 17:10:59 GMT Organization: Multimedia Point srl Lines: 3 Message-Id: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: sw24-251.iol.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 09:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:15:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:15:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpcpb!mark From: mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Sender: news@bri.hp.com (News User) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:47:23 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: vanye.bri.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1.4] Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3518 comp.sys.palmtops:29863 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert Nicholson (robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com) wrote: : Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? On the Unix system from within C-Kermit: set file type text Usually this is the default, but I don't know the NeXT set uo that well. This will ensure that the translation is done properly. Hope this helps, Mark Simms --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mark Simms |Org: Hewlett-Packard Profession: Software Engineer | Computer Peripherals Bristol Unix-mail: mark@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com| United Kingdom --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is short and the ROM is full" (Bill Wickes) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and are not intended to be an official statement by Hewlett-Packard Company --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 13:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:48:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:48:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Aug 1995 13:48:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <421q7i$me7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer : over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary : and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the : kermit prompt itself. : Need I say that's a dumb idea? Why don't you just ask the system administrators to change the menu to include "Kermit binary" and "Kermit text"? : Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every : line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my : own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change : anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? : The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. : That is five years old. The current version is 3.14. Both Kermit programs are perfectly able to handle text-format conversion. Just tell the system administrators to let you use this program to do what it is supposed to do. : I can use e-mail, gopher, : and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the : latest mskermit using these other methods? : Why don't you order it from us by post? That way we get some money to help pay for our continuing work, and you get a manual. I'll send you a catalog under separate cover. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 13:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:55:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:55:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit and Virtual Modems Date: 30 Aug 1995 13:55:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <421qkf$mji@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Craig Werner wrote: : A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has : a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present. It : recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not : DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. AT&T Technical Support : suggests that he buy an external modem. : They are right. AT&T "Controllerless modems", like RPI modems, are not real modems at all. They depend on OS-specific drivers to work. There is "no market" for such drivers for any OS except Windows, so don't expect these modems ever to work outside Windows, and don't expect them to work very well *in* Windows either. See the Kermit FAQ for a fuller discussion: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 16:11:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:44:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bham!wcl-rs!gio From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Andrew G McMullins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 30 Aug 1995 16:11:57 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best option. Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the actual screen handling, which is a pity. Thanks in advance... Be seeing you... /----o-------------------------\ | /~\|/~\ | Giovanni Ciampa | | \O/\\O/ | gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk | | / \ |--------------------| | \_/ | I am but a figment | | \___/ | of my own deranged | | \_/ | imagination | \---------+--------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 17:30:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:06:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:06:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 30 Aug 1995 17:30:53 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 27 Message-Id: <42278d$ec@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote: % Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally % have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using % MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best % option. % Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen % output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is % at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the % 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's % a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. As I recall it was vt52 emulation. However, we abandoned that rather elderly version of Kermit and used Simon Poole's excellent GEM-based freeware terminal emulator UniTerm when we had STs. It includes various file transfer protocols (including Kermit) and does extremely good vt200 emulation (on a par with MS-Kermit and even does proper double-height and width characters). I can probably dig out a copy if required, though I dare say you will find it still in the Atari section of micros.hensa.ac.uk. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 02:24:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:19:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Aug 95 08:24:16 MDT References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: > In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >> >> > > Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? -------- It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as Windows 4.00. Joe D. hing that would make his virtual modem > recognize Kermit addressing? > > Thanks for all help. > > Craig Werner -------- Your friend purchased what is, I believe, a "controller-less" modem, not a regular one. That takes a special proprietary software driver to do much work which is normally in the modem, and apparently it is available only for Windows 3.1. We have no information on such modems, and given the strongly negative reaction to them by knowlegable people their lifetime is expected to be short. Given the circumstances there is nothing that we Kermit folks can do to help, other than repeat the advice of AT&T Tech Support above: purchase a regular modem, an external one at that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 03:53:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:05:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:05:34 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug31.035325.4893@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:53:25 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: >> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >>> >>> >> >> Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? >-------- > It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. >MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as >Windows 4.00. > Joe D. Thanks for the information. DOS 7 ??? That's very interesting. Later, Helen From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 21:46:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:25:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:25:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews1.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!uw-coco!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Aug 1995 21:46:32 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 22 Message-Id: <422m7p$39u@krel.iea.com> References: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Stow (dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: : I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer : over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary : and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the : kermit prompt itself. : Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every : line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my : own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change : anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? : The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. I can use e-mail, gopher, : and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the : latest mskermit using these other methods? : Thanks, : David Stow From the MS-Kermit prompt, remote set file type text then do a get or tget. Rod From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 07:59:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:28:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:28:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:59:25 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <9508310729.AA19619@sol.UVic.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9508310729.AA19619@sol.UVic.CA> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Melvin Klassen wrote: > In article you write: > >Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as > >Z-modem transfer at 9600? > > Out of the box, KERMIT is "pessimistic" -- > it assumes that the communication-line is "noisy", and adapts itself > to ensuring that the file is transmitted correctly, if slowly. > KERMIT can be "tuned" to be "optimistic". Thanks for the info. It turns out the problem is at the HP-UX sever which I download from. The version of the HP-UX was 4E(077), circa 1989 -- little bit early to have sliding window scheme implemented. ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Lab: A room full of icky, funny-looking creatures and dead frogs. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 07:39:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:49:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:49:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 31 Aug 1995 07:39:24 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 41 Message-Id: <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kielipc0.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.eduB says... > >In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu >writes: >> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >>> >>> >> >> Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? >-------- > It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. >MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as >Windows 4.00. > Joe D. No What the user and a number of other people are looking for is a GUI version of kermit. The kermit telnet is one of the best I have seen and it would be great if it was a true Windows program. I asked about this over a year ago and got a basic "we don't do Windows". In five years from now, if you believe the press, Microsoft will have everybody using Windows NT 5.0. Windows 95 is a transition OS to give people time to replace their DOS programs over the next 4 - 5 years. I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. Later -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 14:33:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:06:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:06:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!cddc.demon.co.uk From: Brenda Robb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:33:30 GMT Organization: City Of Dundee District Council Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cddc.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Thursday, Aug 31, 1995 14.33.30 GMT X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use kermit command level. I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs don't exist. Any help or suggestions. Thanks _______________________________________________________________________ Brenda Robb City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland Email brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line) All views expressed are my own not my employers From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 15:16:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:32:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:32:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.isnet.is!news.ismennt.is!news From: halldorg@ismennt.is (Halldor Gudmundssson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script for unix Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:16:54 GMT Organization: Islenska Menntanetid (The icelandic edu. Network) Lines: 335 Distribution: world Message-Id: <424kfg$1jo@folda.ismennt.is> References: Reply-To: halldorg@ismennt.is Nntp-Posting-Host: rvik.ismennt.is X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) wrote: >I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to >set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard >login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work. It's like it does not >even see the incoming charcters. I have set up scripts like this before >for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos >machine. Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos? >thanks in advance >-- > +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ > | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ > | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || > | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| > | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || > | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || > | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || > +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| > +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ this is a script and you should run kermit from batchfile like @echo off kermit def passwd ,def userid , take k1.scr, stay define getout out \13,- inp 3 >,- if succ out exit\13,- inp 10 >,- if succ hangup,out +++ATH\13, pause 5, out ath\13,pause 2,- exit set key \2320 {\Kgetout} ; Assign GETOUT macro to Alt-Q. set com3 \x3E8 11 Set PORT 3 SET BAUD 19200 SET FLOW rts SET DISP 8 SET TERM BELL NONE SET RECEIVE PACKET 2000 SET TRANSLATE INPUT ON SET WINDOWS 4 set transfer char latin1 set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE set input echo on ; Don't echo the modem test ; Define ERRSTOP macro to issue an error message and stop. ; define errstop echo \%1, hangup, stop ; FILE MT1432.SCR (MSMT1432.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Multitech MT1432 series ; modems, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later. The modem is set ; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS ; flow control, and a fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz, Max Evarts; ; Columbia University, June 1993 ; Modified May 1994 to remove DSR check (Peter Mossel) ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} if eq "\v(system)" "UNIX" if = \v(local) 0 stop 1 You must SET LINE first define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600. set speed 19200 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. if fail set speed 9600 ; If not, use 19200. echo Configuring MultiTech MT1432 on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} output AT E1 &Q1 X4\13 ; Echoing, result codes, etc. chkok {Can't initialize modem} echo Enabling modulation negotiation... output AT $SB\v(speed) $MB19200\13 ; Start modulation speed negotiation ; at V32bis, set interface speed chkok {Can't enable modulation speed negotiation} echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT &E4\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK... output AT %E1\13 ; Make modem ignore BREAK chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT &E1 &E15 $BA0\13 ; Enable error correction & compression ; with automatic speed buffering chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback} :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing 5811100 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATDT5811100\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. input 20 ): output 1\13 goto login define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of MT1432.SCR ; Action starts here ; If they typed their password on the DOS command line, ; clear the screen now. ; if def passwd cls ; for security... def \%9 ; "Thank you" flag. if def userid goto askpw :XUID ; ; User ID wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it. ; ask \%8 {Enter your userid Enter: } if not def \%8 goto XUID assign userid \%8 def \%9 Thank you. :ASKPW if def passwd goto thanks :XPWD ; ; Password wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it. ; askq \%8 - {Enter Password (it will not echo) and press ENTER: } if not def \%8 goto XPWD assign passwd \%8 def \%9 Thank you. :THANKS def \%8 ; Erase password from memory if def \%9 echo \%9 ; Be polite def \%9 echo set input case ignore ; Don't care about alphabetic case. hangup ; Hang up any current data connection. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE set input echo on ; Don't echo the modem test output ATQ0V1X1\13 ; Send AT, use word result codes. input 5 OK ; Modem should say "OK" Output \13 Set count 4 :LOOP output \13AT\13 ; Give the Hayes modem AT command input 5 OK ; Look for Hayes OK response. if failure goto RETRY ; Not found, try again. echo Hringi ! menntaneti ... ; It's 244PC, tell the user. output ATDT5683370\13 ; Make a data call to "[CUNIX]". input 30 CONNECT ; Look for modem's confirmation. if success goto GOOD :RETRY if count goto LOOP set count 4 :L2 output ATDT5811100\13 input 30 CONNECT if success goto GOOD2 if count goto L2 ; Get here when there is no communication after 3 tries. ; echo echo { Modem not answering.} echo { You are using port \v(port), and speed is \v(speed).} echo { if this is not correct use SET PORT in Kermit} echo { and SET SPEED and try again.} echo { Check if modem is connected and } echo { that it is powered on} echo hangup stop :GOOD ; We got through, one way or the other. ; Send carriage returns for speed recognition. ; Try up to 5 times to get Info terminal server prompt, "blah>". ; set count 5 ; Loop counter. :AGAIN output \13 ; Send CR for speed recognition. input 20 > ; Look for prompt. if success goto INFO ; If found, proceed with login process, if count goto again ; otherwise continue the loop. errstp {Failed to connect to main computer - try again} :INFO goto UNA set count 5 :GOOD2 input 20 ): if success goto RVIK out +++ATH\13 pause 5 out ath\13 pause 2 if count goto RETRY errstp {No answere from machinhe.} :RVIK output 1\13 input 20 login: if fail errstop {Did not get login } GOTO LOGIN ; ; Got terminal server prompt, select cunix and wait for login prompt. ; :UNA output una\13 input 20 login: if fail errstop {did not get login prompt - try again} :LOGIN ; ; Got "login:" prompt, send user ID and look for "Password:" prompt. ; output \m(userid)\13 ; Send user ID, followed by CR. input 20 Password: ; Wait up to 5 seconds for "Password:" prompt. if fail errstop {did not get password prompt} ; Send user's password, then wait for shell prompt. ; Here we must figure out whether it is "$ " or "% ". ; If it is anything else, such as "cunixa:", that must be ; predefined (see top of this file). ; output \m(passwd)\13 ; Send password. define passwd ; Erase from memory. ; Now try to get the shell prompt. ; CONNECT Halldor Gudmundsson halldorg@ismennt.is http://rvik.ismennt.is/~halldorg From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 03:27:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:37:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:36:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Message-Id: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Aug 95 09:27:48 MDT References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk>, Brenda Robb writes: > MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 > > Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to > IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use > kermit command level. > I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down > to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. > I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in > MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs > eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs > don't exist. ---------------- If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think you will like the APC command better. While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 19:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:52:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:51:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: danielwest@aol.com (DanielWest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File List for send ?? Date: 31 Aug 1995 15:28:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: danielwest@aol.com (DanielWest) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger dos's Dir command and am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent directory.) How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list) I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something.... Thanks Fallacy Somewhere! - One Bad Baronet Of Ruddygore DanielWest@aol.com (Daniel Weston) "A line is a terrible thing to waste" From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 21:47:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:47:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:47:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File List for send ?? Date: 31 Aug 1995 21:47:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <425al2$ppi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, DanielWest wrote: : I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box : so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger : dos's Dir command and am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this : so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent : directory.) : : How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list) : I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I : have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something : like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something.... : In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the current version, but not in earlier versions, you can: send @filename where "filename" is the name of a file that contains a list of files. The list of filenames can contain one filename per line, or it can contain a comma-separated list of names, or any mixture of the two. Filenames can contain disk letters, directory names, and DOS-format wildcards. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 21:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:41:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:41:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news1.cle.ab.com!RSI_MOORE!not-for-mail From: moorebj@cle.ab.com (Bruce J. Moore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 31 Aug 1995 21:25:54 GMT Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 56 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4259d2$ifm@news1.cle.ab.com> References: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aatpc01.cle.ab.com X-Newsreader: TIN [Windows/NT 1.3 950131BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew, I did the port, although I've since gotten out of the Kermit business. My ST is currently collecting dust. On to your questions: Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote: : Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally : have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using : MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best : option. : : Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen : output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is : at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the : 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's : a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. It's definitely a VT52. I presume you're using VMS from the above, so the correct command is: $ SET TERM/DEVICE_TYPE=VT52 It should be noted that many DEC utilities simply assume a VT100/VT200 and behave accordingly. : : Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get : vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a : vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things : worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the : actual screen handling, which is a pity. Another poster mentioned Uniterm. This is a very nice package. If doing simple stuff, I used kermit, but fell back to Uniterm for long remote editing sessions, and so forth. If memory serves, TPU/EVE was one of the programs that refused to act as a VT52. In this case, I was unable to use kermit. For unix hosts I was always able to use kermit. : : Thanks in advance... You're welcome. Hope the information above helps. : : Be seeing you... : : /----o-------------------------\ : | /~\|/~\ | Giovanni Ciampa | : | \O/\\O/ | gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk | : | / \ |--------------------| : | \_/ | I am but a figment | : | \___/ | of my own deranged | : | \_/ | imagination | : \---------+--------------------/ Bruce From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 00:59:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:59:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:59:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: 1 Sep 1995 00:59:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-Id: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95 Planning bulletin! Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way. This is a full-featured, fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP communication. K-95 can be both icon/menu operated for newcomers or command-line executed for veterans (or any combination of the two for those who want it all). LICENSING Unlike other Kermit software, K-95 is not "free". It is not available for downloading; it cannot be freely shared and given away. Instead, it must be purchased and licensed. It will be quite inexpensive. It will be available in software retail chains and directly from Columbia University. Aggressive quantity- and site-based licensing terms will also be available from Columbia, including special academic/nonprofit licenses. Exact terms are still being worked out. Why isn't it free? -- 1. The Kermit Project operates entirely on the income it generates. 2. Because of the rapid growth and commercialization of the Internet and proliferation of "free software" CDROMs made from Internet ftp sites, Kermit software is in wider use than ever before, but nobody is ordering it from us. Thus our income is down while our tech-support workload is up. 3. We could not have brought this software to you without making a significant investment. The status of other Kermit software (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe, etc) remains as it always has been. FEATURES K-95 comes with a graphical Dialer (menus, buttons, dialog boxes, notebooks, and all) to help you manage all your connections and all the settings for each one, without complicated initialization files, macro definitions, or SET commands. The Kermit engine itself is launched from the Dialer pushbutton-style to make the desired connection automatically with all the appropriate settings. Kermit veterans need not worry: It can also be run on its own like other Kermit programs. K-95 is a multithreaded multitasking NATIVE 32-bit Windows 95 communication software application that is easy on your CPU. It is fully integrated with Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) and Winsock, and can be used uniformly for both serial and network connections. K-95 offers: . A directory PRELOADED with hundreds of dialup and network connections: - Commercial networks and data services - Public data networks like SprintNet and TYMNET - Internet service providers by dialup - Internet resources via TELNET - BBSs and much more . VT320, VT220, VT102, VT100, VT52, ANSI, and TTY terminal emulation with: - Amazingly fast screen updates - Full color selection - Virtually unlimited and instantaneous screen rollback - Flexible key mapping - Integrated mouse functions: copy-and-paste, cursor steering - Screen height and width selection - Character-set conversion - Versatile printer control - Pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, much more . Kermit as well as X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer: - The fastest and most advanced Kermit protocol available anywhere: Sliding windows, long packets, control-character unprefixing, locking shifts, character-set translation, an update feature, recovery, automatic file transfer initiation, and much more. - X/Y/ZMODEM licensed from Online Solutions Oy, Jyvaskyla, Finland - Windows 95 long filenames - Background as well as foreground file transfers . Management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer. . An intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls, and adjusts itself according to your location; that allows multiple phone numbers for a single service; and that can be told how many times and how frequently to redial if the connection is not made. . Script programming using the same portable Kermit script language that is already in widespread use on hundreds of other platforms. When used in combination with the Windows 95 System Agent, this allows for automatically scheduled unattended communications tasks. . A brand-new user manual plus a technical reference manual. . A tech-support hot line (900 number, as so many of you suggested) and a tech support BBS. AVAILABILITY The publication date is October 5th, 1995. The USA list price is $79.00 US. The USA street price is $54.00 US. For orders prior prior October 5th, 1995, the USA introductory price is $49.00. The shrink-wrapped package, published by Manning Publications of Greenwich CT includes the software and manuals plus a discount upgrade coupon for the next planned version. The package will be available in computer software stores and you can order it now from Columbia University or the publisher (store orders should go to the publisher): 1. Kermit Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7221 USA Fax: +1 (212) 662 6442 or +1 (212) 663 8202 Voice: +1 (212) 854 3703 Email: kermit-orders@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ 2. Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.sirius.com/~freedom/BBC/NetworkingNookPage.html In recognition of the beginning of the academic year on campuses far and wide, and students arriving by the truckload with PCs and Windows 95, we encourage campus software administrators to contact us via e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu to discuss academic bulk or site licenses. Further announcements will appear on the comp.protocols.kermit newsgroups and in the LISTSERV Kermit Digest. If you want to receive announcements directly by e-mail, please send a request by e-mail to: kermit@columbia.edu Also watch our World Wide Web site for updates: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ THE FUTURE We plan to develop this product actively to meet your needs. Numerous new features are on tap; our priorities will be driven by the success of this product and preferences of its users. Items under consideration include Tektronix terminal emulation, 3270 terminal emulation, 5250 terminal emulation, RIP graphics for BBS's, ALA character-set support, UNICODE support, a character-set-aware form of HTML viewing, and further GUIfication. Frank da Cruz Christine M. Gianone Manager Manager Communications Software Development Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University New York City From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 17:26:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:02:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:02:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!msc.edu!network.com!news From: escargo@finally.network.com (David S. Cargo) Subject: MS-DOS Kermit through parallel ports? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: finally Message-Id: Originator: escargo@finally Sender: news@network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:26:02 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS has changed a lot since I have used it last. Now it has network connections over many protocols. However, now that many PCs have bidirectional parallel ports, is there a way of using Kermit to connect two PCs through their parallel ports and transfer files between them? In networking terms, Kermit would still be the application, but down at the data link and physical levels, a parallel port would be used instead of a serial port. It seems like this should be simple and maybe even possible in a way that's not obvious to me. So, can it be done now? Is it possible that it might be implemented soon? David S. Cargo (escargo@network.com) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 23:48:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:43:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:43:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:48:23 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: >hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: >> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. >See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later >this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware >like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street >price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. >I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that >matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that >everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia >anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough >money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too >painfully aware of funding problems. All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in the user community. Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 12:50:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:50:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 2 Sep 1995 12:50:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >> ... >All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to >like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of >its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its >documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great >deal of ill will in the user community. > Well, we had a choice. We can be here and be the brunt of some people's ill will, or we can be gone. Without making this move, I assure you we would be gone. Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses go up every week. But our income has never been lower. And still we get hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day. Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody is ordering them. They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works. We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 12:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows 95 Academic Site Licensing Date: 2 Sep 1995 12:56:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <429k9e$m55@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is the preliminary information regarding academic site licensing of Kermit for Windows 95. This information also appears on our Web page, which is updated frequently. Check the Web page for information that might be more current: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html To discuss site licensing, send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. PRELIMINARY KERMIT 95 ACADEMIC SITE LICENSE INFORMATION Kermit 95 academic site licenses are available at the rates listed below. An academic site license entitles all students, faculty, and staff at a licensed institution to individual, non-transferable use of Kermit 95 at school and at home, with no copy counting required, as long as they are students at or employed by the institution. The site license must be administered from a single administrative point of contact within the institution. Technical support must be provided by the institution, which provides a single technical point of contact with the development and support team at Columbia University. For any single college or university: First year: $ 2,000 Subsequent years: $ 1,000 For a large (e.g. statewide) university system: First year: $ 10,000 Subsequent years: $ 5,000 An active license entitles the institution to continuing technical support and to software upgrades. The year is counted as July 1 through June 30; however, the entire first-year fee must be paid for 1995-96. An academic site license includes a single copy of the shrink-wrapped software package, to be registered, duplicated, and distributed by the institution, plus 100 user manuals and 5 technical reference manuals, with additional manuals available in bulk at a discount. Manuals may be resold through institutional channels such as book stores or otherwise distributed internally. Outside of the USA, Canada, and Mexico, shipping costs must be added for the manual set. The institution must assume responsibility of preventing all manner of external access to the software, including, but not limited to, placing of the software on file servers, ftp servers, or Web home pages accessible from outside the institution. (End) From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 15:13:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:13:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: Yeechang Lee Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 2 Sep 1995 15:13:01 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 10 Message-Id: <429s9t$rka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Originator: ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey T Berntsen says: |I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its media |(such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its |documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great |deal of ill will in the user community. Anyone who feels that way is IMHO out of line. Since when did having Kermit become some kind of right? http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 13:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:10:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:10:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 1 Sep 1995 13:56:30 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too painfully aware of funding problems. The code should be hitting the retail store shelves in the near future; the official release date he posted is 5 October. Most of us have been quietly freeloading on the Columbia people for years. Between this and the way that some users seem to think that they have the right to berate the KERMIT developers for not having released a native Windows KERMIT I'm amazed that Columbia has been so supportive of the KERMIT effort. (BTW: a note saying "I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a true GUI version" isn't berating anyone; it's a polite expression of interest. It's the flamers who SCREAM ABOUT HOW THEY DEMAND ALL SORTS OF COMPLEX FEATURES that give USENET its bad reputation and irritate providers of freeware.) Anyway...to KERMIT: welcome to the GUI world! And to the developers of the new package, congratulations. Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 06:53:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:55:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:55:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!jrs From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 1 Sep 1995 00:59:55 GMT Message-Id: Sender: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Organization: The Internet References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:53:53 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available for Kermit for Windows 95? I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to compete with communications programs that have twice the features for half the price? Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the price comes down to 20 bucks. Let's say you do survive. Is is really worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free software with source? It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of survival. Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see how far that gets you? It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that avenue yet. I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful. Every one needs a job or funding. But I think it is a sad turn of events. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 14:55:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:58:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:56:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Sladkey wrote: > I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available > for Kermit for Windows 95? > Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial and shareware programs, most often without permission. If the new Windows 95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen if we made it public. Our project was not established for that purpose. > I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to > compete with communications programs that have twice the features for > half the price? > None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95 is less expensive than Kermit 95. Most of it is in the $129 range. For universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears about cost. This was posted yesterday. > Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the > price comes down to 20 bucks. Let's say you do survive. Is is really > worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free > software with source? > The world has changed since 1981. The Internet (then, the ARPAnet) was a forum for sharing and cooperation and mutual help. Now it's a hotbed of entrepreneurs who are principally concerned with how to profit from the work of others. The question is: despite all that, do people still want Kermit software? I think that millions of them do. It is up to us to figure out how to be in a position to furnish to them in the long run. > It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an > experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of survival. > We decided not to do that. As you can see, the other Kermit software versions (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe, and hundreds of others) are still there. Should we shut those down too? If not, then how shall we pay for their upkeep? > Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see how far that > gets you? It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that avenue yet. > Believe me, over the past 3 or 4 years we've investigated every option, including that one. > I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful. > Every one needs a job or funding. But I think it is a sad turn of > events. > Sure it is. So is the rampant commercialization of the Internet. But that is an unstoppable force, and one which was devouring our project. Whether it is good or bad remains to be seen, but it is real, and it will change "our little world" forever in ways we can scarcely even begin to imagine. Those of you who are interested in this type of discussion are invited to read through the archives of comp.procotols.kermit.misc, comp.os.vms, comp.dcom.modems, and many other forums in which it has taken place at great length over the past two or three years. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 02:50:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:26:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:26:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!bcsystems!rforster From: rforster@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Sep3.095032.6894@venus.gov.bc.ca> Date: 3 Sep 95 09:50:32 PDT References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: RFORSTER@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >>> ... >>All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to >>like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of >>its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its >>documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great >>deal of ill will in the user community. >> > Well, we had a choice. We can be here and be the brunt of some people's > ill will, or we can be gone. Without making this move, I assure you we > would be gone. Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have > never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses > go up every week. But our income has never been lower. And still we get > hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day. > > Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody > is ordering them. They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM > they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works. > > We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you. > > - Frank Frank, I understand your need for money, however you are targeting a very specific audience. Perhaps I should move to a MAC and get the software free. The other more promising alternative, it to have you charge for all versions of Kermit not just the media it's on. /Russ -- Russ Forster, BC Systems, 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8 RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA Office: (604) 389-3186 Fax: (604) 389-3412 Disclaimer: The opinions and statements contained in this posting are the sole responsibility of the author and have not in any way been reviewed or approved by my employer or any network service. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 20:24:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:24:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 3 Sep 1995 20:24:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu PROBLEM #1: If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for (let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing input and output. PROBLEM #2: After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions. PROBLEM #3: Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up, requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down. In general, it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down. I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened. BACKGROUND: 1. I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a Linux machine. All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards, and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter distance between them. 2. I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the connection. Because the machines are setting next to each other, I can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the "hung" machine running Kermit. I can also "logout", etc. 3. I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this did not help. 4. As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes. As suggested in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash. I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient. Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 11:44:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:14:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep3.174430.60473@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Sep 95 17:44:30 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > PROBLEM #1: If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for > (let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing > input and output. > > PROBLEM #2: After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it > is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions. > > PROBLEM #3: Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up, > requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down. In general, > it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down. > > I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened. > > BACKGROUND: > > 1. I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS > machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a > Linux machine. All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards, > and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter > distance between them. > > 2. I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the > connection. Because the machines are setting next to each other, I > can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the > "hung" machine running Kermit. I can also "logout", etc. > > 3. I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything > else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this > did not help. > > 4. As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes. As suggested > in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the > session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash. > > I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient. > > Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions. > > Cheers, > Seth Chaiklin --------------- Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way of correcting its ARP cache. The situation seems to be Kermit is getting no response to its IP transmissions and it is doing backed off retries (as per TCP specs). Control should return when the retries are successful or exhausted. You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine power-downs too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 02:31:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:31:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:31:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 4 Sep 1995 02:31:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep3.174430.60473@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way >of correcting its ARP cache. You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid >clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to >seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, >segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in >the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine >power-downs too. Thanks for these additional suggestions. Good to know for the future, but the machine where I was having the problems is: An elder XT with 640K. There is no memory to manage, and definitely not green! There are no screen savers. There are keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a hercules-compatible card. There is a single serial port IRQ4, and the ethernet adapter is IRQ3. The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501. However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware. However, there is still one part that bothers me: Why would MSK crash the PC in the process of exiting from MSK? This happens even if I logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address, and if it they are not shown on the monitor). That doesn't seem right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.) Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:17:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:44:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:44:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 03:17:21 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <42dqug$eb7@newstand.syr.edu> References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-131.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brenda Robb wrote: >MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 >Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to >IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use >kermit command level. >I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down >to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. >I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in >MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs >eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs >don't exist. Brenda, You might do well to get the latest MSKermit, v3.14, (tell you where later) and use the newer APC command (provided the remote host's Kermit is new enough). The APC command allows either Kermit to issue commands to the other. A download, for example, can be accomplished without escaping to the local Kermit. As an example, here's my bsend macro which I keep on the remote host; notice the APC command ... it tells the local Kermit to receive ... no moving around between Kermits. define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to: bsend file1 file2 file3 That's it! Entire Kermit package: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip kermit.exe only: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:27:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:54:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:54:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 03:27:07 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <42drgq$efp@newstand.syr.edu> References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> <42dqug$eb7@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-131.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote: >define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- > if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- > set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,- > if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- > else send \%1 >For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to: > bsend file1 file2 file3 And in so writing, goofed! The macro allows for the use of wildcards. When no wildcards are used, the second argument (not required) allows you to specify a name for the lone received file. Examples: bsend report.* bsend report.may bsend report.may may-95.rpt - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 06:02:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:57:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:57:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 4 Sep 1995 06:02:31 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kielipc0.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available? Also I assume the license is with the user not the machine, is this right? And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? TIA PAul -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 17:53:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:48:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:48:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Windows 95 version References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:53:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.84 with YES 0.20.B0509 Message-Id: Lines: 72 X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for Yarn! The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:48:23 GMT, jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: > jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: > > >hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > > >> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a > >>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. > > >See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later > >this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware > >like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street > >price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. > > >I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that > >matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that > >everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia > >anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough > >money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too > >painfully aware of funding problems. > > All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like > it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its > media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation > is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in > the user community. > > Jeff Berntsen > jeffb@world.std.com I disagree. Windows 95 is going to be (is?) a popular operating system. I don't have the capability to use it, but from what I've seen, it's much nicer than I had expected it to be. I have no qualms whatsoever with Frank. If I were the type to bow down to a living person, Frank would be near the top of my list of idols. Frank, anyone who can take the heat like you do, who continues to support and promote dispite occasional negativity, has earned more than regular ol' respect from me. Congratulations, Frank, for making the decision to charge for Windows 95 Kermit. The people buying Windows 95 Kermit will probably entice their lower-end computer friends to get regular Kermit, especially if they get into script programming. It's time that Kermit gets on the shelf, and while I won't be running even regular Windows for a long long time to come, I'll suggest to everyone I know with Windows 95 to purchase Kermit from the shelf, for it seems to be what Kermit has needed for a very long time now. Thank goodness you Kermit folks at Columbia had the foresight *NOT* to write a Windows 3.x version, optimize MS-DOS Kermit to work fantastically under Windows 3.x, and wait for the next true operating system to get bundled with every computer under the sun. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com current owner of the Children's Rights List current owner of the Minister's Discussion List -- Proud user of MS-Kermit 3.14! Faster than Zmodem! More Robust than any other protocol that is available for hundreds of incompatible platforms! [works on nearly ALL computers!] FTP: kermit.columbia.edu WWW: www.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 11:48:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 07:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 07:51:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!logica.co.uk!news From: Luc Bollen Subject: Transfering files with upper case filenames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 158.234.138.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: news@carmen.logica.co.uk (News Manager Account) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Logica SA/NV Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:48:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b2 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in UPPER CASE. Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on the Unix machine in uppercase? If yes, using which command ? Thanks for your help. Luc Bollen Logica SA/NV From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 12:46:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:11:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:11:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!erinews.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.seinf.abb.se!nooft.abb.no!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!usenet From: sven@aftenposten.no (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 12:46:30 GMT Organization: Aftenposten A/S Lines: 23 Message-Id: <42esa9$g03@nms.telepost.no> References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.aftenposten.no X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95 >Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way. This is a full-featured, >fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from >the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP >communication. ----clip, clip >The publication date is October 5th, 1995. -----clip, clip Will beta versions be available before the release date?? Our company is very interested in this SW and would gladly pay the price if the SW suits our needs. Regards, Sven Andreassen Aftenposten, Norway ----> Sven Andreassen ----> sven@aftenposten.no From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 14:56:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:56:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:56:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfering files with upper case filenames Date: 4 Sep 1995 14:56:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <42f43e$4m4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luc Bollen wrote: : I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, : and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the : received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in : UPPER CASE. : : Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename : created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in : place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). : Nothing could be easier. Just tell C-Kermit on UNIX to SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Then send the files from the PC in the normal way; no need to specify an "as-name". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:31:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:20:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:20:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep4.093116.60494@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 09:31:15 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 78 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? >>I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just >>the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way >>of correcting its ARP cache. > > You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). > > I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while > connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; > do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp > cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, > of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. > > I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it > does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for > the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and > then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown > on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > Looks as if you need to talk with the Linux folks about fixing the mis-designed TCP/IP stack. >> You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid >>clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to >>seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, >>segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in >>the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine >>power-downs too. > > Thanks for these additional suggestions. Good to know for the future, > but the machine where I was having the problems is: > > An elder XT with 640K. There is no memory to manage, and > definitely not green! There are no screen savers. There are > keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet > driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a > hercules-compatible card. There is a single serial port IRQ4, and > the ethernet adapter is IRQ3. The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501. 3C501? Yikes, that's a very poor board on any network these days. NE-2000 clones cost very little and I recommend putting the 3C501 in the museum drawer (please). > However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with > a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I > suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware. > > However, there is still one part that bothers me: Why would MSK crash > the PC in the process of exiting from MSK? This happens even if I > logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to > issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address, > and if it they are not shown on the monitor). That doesn't seem > right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.) I have no idea, to tell the truth. MSK doesn't crash here when the other end goes away. It takes awhile to time out but that's all. I'm typically using ODI rather than a Packet Driver. Joe D. > Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. > > Cheers, > Seth Chaiklin > > > > > > > > > > > > > From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:33:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:51:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:51:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfering files with upper case filenames Message-Id: <1995Sep4.093306.60495@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 09:33:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luc Bollen writes: > I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, > and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the > received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in > UPPER CASE. > > Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename > created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in > place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). > > Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on > the Unix machine in uppercase? If yes, using which command ? ---------------- If you read the C Kermit user's manual this is explained. The command is SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Try it; it works. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 18:58:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:00:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 4 Sep 95 18:58:25 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 69 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | | Joe Doupnik wrote: | > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? | >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just | >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way | >of correcting its ARP cache. | | You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). | | I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while | connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; | do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp | cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, | of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this is a feature. I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts are usually a bit longer. You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address. These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the reverse process may be only lightly tested. Keep in mind that the answerer of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending an ARP itself. Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware addresses, the process might go like this: kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address) Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to answer ARP requests at all most of the time. | I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it | does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for | the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and | then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown | on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. (It could also be that Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating error that it would have been noticed long ago. I hope.) I think there are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation. First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't respond to ARPs in general). If it does respond then it may be that kermit has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware address. If it does not respond, move on to the next test: Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow. If the second test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is blocking ARPs in one direction. (Don't laugh; I've seen it.) The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to bring the problem to light. Consider that one end could be totally incapable of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long timeout. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 11:00:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:15:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:15:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 17:00:19 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 97 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Supplementing Dan's decent advice... In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > | > | Joe Doupnik wrote: > | > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? > | >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just > | >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way > | >of correcting its ARP cache. > | > | You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). > | > | I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while > | connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; > | do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp > | cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, > | of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. > > Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this > is a feature. I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts > are usually a bit longer. You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux > or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address. > These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since > the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the > reverse process may be only lightly tested. Keep in mind that the answerer > of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending > an ARP itself. Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware > addresses, the process might go like this: > > kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address) > Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit > > Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to > answer ARP requests at all most of the time. True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux. > | I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it > | does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for > | the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and > | then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown > | on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > > You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit > isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. (It could also be that > Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating > error that it would have been noticed long ago. I hope.) I think there > are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation. > First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that > has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell > you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. > If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't > respond to ARPs in general). If it does respond then it may be that kermit > has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware > address. If it does not respond, move on to the next test: > > Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this > and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine > which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP stack if it's not being used? Probing MSK and the Linux box from a third uninvolved machine is a good thing to do, however. Ping and traceroute both work with MSK. Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches. MSK 3.14 checks for another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started. (It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.) > then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow. If the second > test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or > you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is > blocking ARPs in one direction. (Don't laugh; I've seen it.) I'm not laughing either. I've encountered worse. > The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning > in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to > bring the problem to light. Consider that one end could be totally incapable > of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear > to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long > timeout. There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis difficult. Joe D. > Dan Lanciani > ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 17:08:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:57:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:57:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!cddc.demon.co.uk From: Brenda Robb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 17:08:11 GMT Organization: City Of Dundee District Council Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: <33642358wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> References: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cddc.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Monday, Sep 04, 1995 17.08.11 GMT X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will > discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used > the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the > much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think > you will like the APC command better. > While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit > to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit > kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits. > Joe D. > Thanks Joe We are now up and running using the APC command, and I've also upgraded my C Kermit as suggested. The original didn't quite work with APC Thanks again _______________________________________________________________________ Brenda Robb City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland Email brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line) All views expressed are my own not my employers From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 19:16:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:25:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Sep5.001622.8668@ais.com> Date: 5 Sep 95 00:16:22 EST References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: > jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: >>hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > >>> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >>>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. > >>See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later >>this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware >>like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street >>price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. > >>I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that >>matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that >>everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia >>anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough >>money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too >>painfully aware of funding problems. > > All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like > it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its > media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation > is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in > the user community. I disagree. I think most people realize that you don't usually get anything for free, and that the network community was very fortunate to have people as dedicated as Frank and others who put out what amounted to free software. The alternatives to this were probably either to shut down the Kermit effort entirely, or to convert it to some kind of groupware effort like the Linux project. In either case Columbia University would be out of the picture as far as any kind of support goes; and Frank would not be available for user support at anywhere near the level he has been, if he would be available at all. Is this what everyone wants? Is anyone being forced to upgrade? (Kermit 3.14 works perfectly well under Windows 95 except that you can't have both the Windows 95 TCP/IP stack and the Kermit TCP/IP stack active at once). Personally I think this is a much better approach to providing funding for the Kermit project than what I think was the rather ill-advised effort to have Kermit 3.* removed from BBSes and CD-ROMs. _That_ generated considerable ill will because it all seemed so peculiar: `You can use this software for free as long as you get it from our FTP site, but you can't put it on a CD or a BBS.' The only effects I could see were that this might reduce the total number of Kermit users and make those who still used it put even more load on the Columbia FTP sites (therefore requiring more support hardware...). At the time I suggested that perhaps Kermit 3.* should be converted to shareware (I bought the book, but how many others did? Apparently not enough), but I know there are some legal questions about whether that's possible; and whether for that reason or for other reasons, Columbia did not think it in their interest to do so. I hope this solves Kermit's funding problems; maybe they'll even be able to provide more enhancements with the additional revenue. I wish Frank and Columbia University good luck with their venture; I know I'll be getting a copy of it. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 17:57:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:28:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2980@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 5 Sep 95 17:57:25 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | | Supplementing Dan's decent advice... | | In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: | > In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is | active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching | too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote | hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux. I'd say that the limited information so far provided points to hardware/ drivers or kermit more than Linux, but at this point anything is possible. (This is based on no internal knowledge of kermit or Linux but on the general understanding that some kinds of ARP bugs are much more likely to be noticed than others.) | > Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this | > and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine | > which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed | | This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack | until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP | stack if it's not being used? Well, I think we just demonstrated one reason. :) I suggest then that you modify the test to start kermit fresh with one connection to a random machine and do the ping as soon as possible from another machine. Of course, this is only interersting if the first test failed, so maybe you don't need to do it at all. The idea was just to try to determine whether the hardware (or kermit image) was becoming corrupt over time. | Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the | air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches. This can't be happening in the case in question since it would result in an incorrect ARP entry on the Linux machine (as opposed to the lack of any entry as observed). |MSK 3.14 checks for | another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started. | (It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I | had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.) Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would make diagnosis _so_ much easier... | There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP | responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One Is this in general or something specific to kermit? | always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a | problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis | difficult. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 20:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:35:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:35:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 and TAPI Date: 5 Sep 1995 20:11:32 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95. I've got my order in. My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)? Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as well as TAPI compliant FAX programs? Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection forwarded to a Kermit script? Just trying to plan ahead. Thanks, Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 21:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:41:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:41:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 5 Sep 1995 16:06:03 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: >Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering >out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but >legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would >make diagnosis _so_ much easier... I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4. But, I mostly have winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines and it doesn't have the problem. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 10:57:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:10:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep5.165735.60618@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Sep 95 16:57:35 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: > >>Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering >>out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but >>legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would >>make diagnosis _so_ much easier... > > I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection > to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4. But, I mostly have > winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines > and it doesn't have the problem. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com -------- As always, I remain attentive to these problems, even if I can't nail down the effect at my place. MSK sits for hours to my SVR4 machine and finally the latter decides that I've gone home and logs me out. It's a UnixWare 2.02 box. The comment that Linux loses its ARP cache entry and can't communicate until it's filled in by subtrafuge leads one to believe there is a Linux problem. For tracking ARP requests arriving at an MSK machine I have available privately a special version which displays each such incoming request. Please contact me directly (jrd@cc.usu.edu) for the test tool; it is NOT for general distribution, please, so don't ask without a really good story plus a note from your Mom. To record who said what to whom on a very short time scale basis we have the Crynwr Collection Trace and Dump programs. Trace has only a 55KB (approx) buffer in which to write packets and that does not last long on a network. Netwatch can show things visually, if desired. Both are free. See netlab1.usu.edu pub/mirror/pktdrvr and pub/netwatch, resp. Finally, on Dan's thread, MSK can be made Internet active without a remote host (and hence respond to Pings etc) by putting it into TN server mode: SET PORT TCP * and then CONNECT. The star means be a Telnet server. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 03:43:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:29:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:28:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!jrs From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Organization: The Internet References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:43:33 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) > Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:53:53 GMT > I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available > for Kermit for Windows 95? > From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 > Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT > Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done > here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. Partial source is just a token unless the user can recompile and/or relink the product themselves. Please, if you want to make your offering of source more than a pretense then please provide linkable objects or libraries for the rest of the system. Best of wishes on your commercial venture. Thanks again for all your support over the years. I will regret the missed opportunity of assisting in the process by finding bugs or porting to new operating systems. I will try to continue to support you in spite of your change in status. Remember to treat other platforms consistently and to begin charging for C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. Good luck. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 03:59:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:33:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!cygnus.com!news.zeitgeist.net!bdt.com!miwok!gorilla!holmes From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: change c-kermit lockfile? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Keywords: kermit lockfile Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:59:42 GMT Summary: Can I change the format & location of lockfiles? Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile? I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other than in /usr/spool/uucp. Right now I have altered all the other serial port apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock, where I want the locks to be. Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock? Thanks for any insight into this. Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 08:11:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:56:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:56:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!unikh From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 08:11:53 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? I think zmodem is canceled by pressing -x several times, but I'm not sure. Regards Klaus Hessellund From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 07:10:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:10:45 GMT Message-Id: References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >Rick Sladkey wrote: >> I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available >> for Kermit for Windows 95? >> >Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done >here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. > >This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically >code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial >and shareware programs, most often without permission. If the new Windows >95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen >if we made it public. Our project was not established for that purpose. Frank, which of these hundreds of commercial and shareware programs have incorporated your Kermit source code in violation of Columbia's Copyright? According to your Kermit News #5 none of the other comms programs had a decent Kermit implementation. Have hundreds of authors filched your code since then??? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 07:24:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:24:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95 >is less expensive than Kermit 95. Most of it is in the $129 range. For >universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears >about cost. This was posted yesterday. I haven't spammed the net with pre-announcements of the Windows-95 flavor of ZCOMM, so perhaps not everyone is familiar with ZCOMM. A beta test version of ZCOMM for Win95/NT has been up on the FTP site and TeleGodzilla. ZCOMM has a very favorable academic use provision, much better than the announcements I've seen for Kermit. Students may use unregistered copies of ZCOMM in the discharge of assigned coursework for the duration of the course without obligation to register. As always, unmodified ZCOMM archive files may be freely redistributed on BBS systems, information utilities, "shareware collection CDROMS", etc.. Check the web page www.omen.com -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 10:33:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:26:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:26:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!unikh From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 10:33:04 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <42jtd0$l7o@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, How do I cancel a file tranfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? I think zmodem is canceled with -x several times, but I'm not sure. Regards Klaus Hessellund From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:30:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 and TAPI Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:30:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <42k497$d03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com>, Brit Systems wrote: : I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95. : I've got my order in. : : My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)? : As much as it can if you want it to. If you choose a TAPI port, Kermit uses the TAPI driver, obtains your location info from TAPI for purposes of interpreting phone numbers, lets TAPI control and dial the modem, etc. Kermit 95 also lets you choose a "bare" COM port, in which case Kermit 95 does the dialing and serial i/o itself. : Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as : well as TAPI compliant FAX programs? : By using the TAPI Line Device, the port it is associated with is not locked by the application until a call is attempted. As long as your application uses TAPI, and you use a TAPI device instead of directly specifying a COM port, you can share the device. : Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection : forwarded to a Kermit script? : A Kermit script can be written to configure any TAPI or Modem device for autoanswer mode. Kermit's INPUT, MINPUT, and SERVER commands can be used to process data after the call comes in. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:45:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:45:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:45:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: change c-kermit lockfile? Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:45:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <42k55a$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit lockfile Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim Holmes wrote: : Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile? : Of course. You've got the source code, change it to whatever you like, at your own risk. As you will note, there are already two (2) different and incompatible lock file conventions for Linux, and dozens of them for other UNIX variations and releases thereof. Read the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit" and/or the file ckuins.doc for details. : I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other : than in /usr/spool/uucp. Right now I have altered all the other serial : port apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock, : where I want the locks to be. : The purpose of the lock file is to be where all applications can find it, so all of these applications will interoperate. Changing it is probably a bad idea. Eventually you will install another application, and another, and you'll have to go through this over and over again. : Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock? : You can change it any way you like if that's what you really want. Read the aforementioned references. In fact, maybe all you need to do is build Linux C-Kermit for the "other" lockfile standard, known as FSSTND: make linux KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND This selects /var/lock as the lockfile directory and write the pid in ascii. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:49:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:49:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <42k5cd$dfi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk>, Klaus Hessellund wrote: >Hi All, > > >How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? > >I think zmodem is canceled by pressing -x several times > Usually 5 times. With Kermit, as explained in all of the documentation, you have many options for cancellation: . 2 or consecutive 3 control C's (to a remote Kermit in packet mode) . To local Kermit: X = cancel current file, continue with group Z = cancel current file and return to prompt E = cancel with a fatal error (in case X or Z are not supported by the remote) In fact, when you start up a Kermit transfer, this legend is printed on your screen, at least if you are using real Kermit software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 17:06:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:13:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:13:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!usenet From: randy.witlicki@hanover.valley.net (Randy Witlicki) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 17:06:29 GMT Organization: some Lines: 26 Message-Id: <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: v1-p-26.valley.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things: I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from Innovative Interfaces). Most of the PCs are of the diskless 286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network. The protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated to current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP. The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to the Net.CFG files. (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some future date). This is a single segment network with bridges, routers, or other outside connections. The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000. The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their menu front end. So, to finally get to the problem: After about 10 minutes of sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection after about 10 minutes.... - Randy From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 09:00:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:31:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:31:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC SERVER QUESTION Message-Id: <1995Sep6.150009.60685@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Sep 95 15:00:09 MDT References: <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) writes: > Hi all, > > I need some help with the Kermit server setup. I have the book > (excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not > all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)! > > Here is what I am trying to do. At work, on this PC, I want to call > my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises. > Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is > OK. My script at home is: > > DEFINE GOSERVER - > SET CARRIER ON,- > SET PORT COM3:,- > SET SPEED 57600,- > SET FILE TYPE BINARY,- > SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,- > SET WINDOW 32,- > SET SERVER LOGIN x x,- > SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 > > then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with > the server screen, all OK. > > At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings > until finally it times out. ----------- All is fine above, but I'll be you forgot to program your modem to answer the phone. That's normally ATS0=. See your modem's instruction booklet. Try it from another phone. You can save memory by reducing the number of sliding window slots to say 4. More won't be used on such a link. Save time by shortening packets to say 2KB so that a glitch will have fewer bytes to repeat. Little is gained abouve 1KB packet lengths (the packet header overhead is small to begin with). The server will follow text/binary from MSK 3.14 client, so just use SET FILE TYPE Binary/Text on the client and the server will obey too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 18:41:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:36:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC SERVER QUESTION Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 18:41:23 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 32 Message-Id: <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Reply-To: gbernard@dbc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I need some help with the Kermit server setup. I have the book (excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)! Here is what I am trying to do. At work, on this PC, I want to call my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises. Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is OK. My script at home is: DEFINE GOSERVER - SET CARRIER ON,- SET PORT COM3:,- SET SPEED 57600,- SET FILE TYPE BINARY,- SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,- SET WINDOW 32,- SET SERVER LOGIN x x,- SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with the server screen, all OK. At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings until finally it times out. Any ideas/thoughts/suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com 1900 South Norfolk Street All opinions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo CA 94403 From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 00:35:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:35:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:35:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 and Windows NT Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:35:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <42lep8$h1f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frequently asked questions about Kermit 95: Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows 3.x or Windows for Workgroups 3.11? A: No. Kermit 95 is a strictly 32-bit application. MS-DOS Kermit is the Kermit software for Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and WfW 3.11. Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows NT Workstation 3.5x? A: Yes, beginning with NT version 3.51. Although all our development has been concentrated on Windows 95, we have done some extra work to allow it also to operate under Windows NT 3.51. It can run, for example, without the presence of the Windows Telephony (TAPI) DLL, which is not yet available for NT, and it can make serial connections using its own built-in serial-port handler. However, since Kermit 95 is primarily targeted at Windows 95, there might be some inconsistencies in the messages, banners, and so forth. This will be added to our Web page and will be expanded as more questions are frequently asked. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 00:40:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:40:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:40:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <42lf2d$hal@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi>, Paul Hounsell wrote: >Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the >upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program >will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available? > This upgrade and licensing of individual copies is still being worked out. We'll publish the details when we have have them. Also, note that site licenses include upgrades as long as the annual fee is paid. >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? > Yes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 09:04:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep6.150417.60686@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Sep 95 15:04:17 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, randy.witlicki@pop.valley.net (Randy Witlicki) writes: > I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things: > > I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library > automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from > Innovative Interfaces). Most of the PCs are of the diskless > 286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network. The > protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated > to current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP. > The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to > the Net.CFG files. (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some > future date). This is a single segment network with > bridges, routers, or other outside connections. > The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000. > The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their > menu front end. > > So, to finally get to the problem: After about 10 minutes of > sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box > times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it > doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection > after about 10 minutes.... ---------- Hmmmm, as they say. I have an idea, one needing a little assistance from your side. The idea is the other end is using one method of TCP session keepalives and Kermit is expecting another. The assistance is to record packets around the ten minute mark and send me the ASCII packet dumps. That takes a packet monitor, and ones doing nifty recording/dumps are not free. Anyone else able to duplicate this experimental setup? Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 13:51:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:27:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:27:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 and TAPI Date: 7 Sep 1995 13:51:53 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 8 Message-Id: <42mtdp$mse@feenix.metronet.com> References: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> <42k497$d03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to hear. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 15:00:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:38:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:38:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Message-Id: <1995Sep7.210043.60814@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Sep 95 21:00:43 MDT References: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it>, mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a > PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file > transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can > i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a > simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol > behind the command you send with mskermit? ---------- There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 00:36:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:11:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:11:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!balsam!balsam From: honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 8 Sep 1995 00:36:28 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 49 Message-Id: <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Let me begin by saying I have the highest respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who contributed to the Kermit effort over the years. At the very least, these people deserve our thanks and praise. The two main attractions of Kermit to us are it is basically free and it is basically free. If the Windows 95 version is commercial, I would have very serious doubts about how well it could compete with the dozens of other Windows' communication programs already available. As for tech support, I handle almost all of it for our campus and post questions to this newsgroup two or three times a year. I figure you do your part and I do mine. I applaud your academic pricing and your feature list for Kermit 95 but unfortunately, it *always* comes down to which product offers the most bang for the least bucks for us. I've used Kermit since the mid-80's and it is like an old friend (and still has the best VT220, VT320 emulation I've found). The interface was never super friendly but it was free after all. I don't mean for this message to sound like the death of Kermit but in the beginning, Kermit seemed to be a labor of love - I regret things have to change with the Windows' version. How about some reasonably small sum of money - maybe $500 - paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site license. We agree to provide tech support for the product and have only one person per site who can call Columbia for support. I suggest trying the honor system and to (politely) refuse help to sites that don't pay. I don't know what kind of expenses you currently incur but this scheme quickly produces a lot of money (1000 sites * $500 = $500,000 a year). Let me close by saying I truly hope the new Windows' version succeeds. The Kermit team deserves much more recognition - include financial - than it has ever received. Good Luck Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 15:04:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:11:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:11:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 07 Sep 1995 15:04:37 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amberxt.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi's message of 4 Sep 1995 06:02:31 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? I second that question, and raise with another: Will the Windows version have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS). (I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is much more fully featured than all those other products...) -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 15:10:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:10:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:10:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:10:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <42pmdg$9l1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? : : I second that question... : The answer is: Yes, it will run on Windows NT Workstation 3.51 on Intel platforms only. Later there will be an NT-specific release whose major difference from the Windows 95 version will be the ability to run on non-Intel platforms. Just out of curiosity... How many client NT systems are out there? We had been under the impression that only a few NT systems were running at each site, in a kind of experimental or evaluation mode. Not that it makes a difference, but we have been surprised by the amount of feedback of this nature, and the more we know about the user base, the better we can apportion our efforts. : ... and raise with another: Will the Windows version : have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke : generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS). : : (I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured : as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit : is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for : different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other : terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to : letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is : much more fully featured than all those other products...) : From ours too :-) Kermit 95 will have at least as much flexibility on the keyboard as MS-DOS Kermit. We will absolutely positively differentiate each key combo, rather than lumping certain combinations together. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 15:27:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:27:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:27:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt wrote: : Let me begin by saying I have the highest : respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who : contributed to the Kermit effort over the : years. At the very least, these people : deserve our thanks and praise. : Thanks! : The two main attractions of Kermit to us are : it is basically free and it is basically : free. : I can understand that. Everybody would prefer to get stuff for free than to pay for it. : If the Windows 95 version is commercial, : I would have very serious doubts about how : well it could compete with the dozens of other : Windows' communication programs already available. : Let's hope it holds its own. Otherwise, we're outa here. Simple as that. Developing and supporting Kermit software on the scale that its present usage demands is a full-time job for a certain number of people. People need food, shelter, etc, and therefore need salaries. The reality is, we need more people than we have now, not less, in order to support even the present level of usage. Because of the "new spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of "free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are higher than ever and income is lower than ever. The old model does not work any more. : How about some reasonably small sum of money ... : paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site : license. : That is exactly what our academic site license is. The dollar amount might differ from the one you propose, but not by much. It won't break anybody's budget. : Let me close by saying I truly hope the : new Windows' version succeeds. The Kermit : team deserves much more recognition - include : financial - than it has ever received. : Thanks! - Frank P.S. The Kermit 95 Web page is updated about once a day. Now we have academic site licensing info, screen shots, an FAQ, and more: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Drop by any time! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 20:11:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:43:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <42njee$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Control: cancel <42njee$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 20:11:47 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <42njga$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-130.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 19:32:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:46:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: C-Kemir from a cron job Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:32:32 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. anyone else ever tried this? -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 21:30:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:58:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:58:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 21:30:11 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 59 Message-Id: <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated >in several ways: > . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. > . New patch files have been issued. > . A new font utility is now included. >The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a >period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become >the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH >files have been installed in all the regular places: Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. First, some background: Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an Arcnet backbone. The two are connected through our primary Novell file server (3.11, FWIW). We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the Ethernet backbone) for about two years now. We're planning to make some major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other changes to available software, servers, etc. Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to access. I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the address of the gateway using ARP. (Ethernet connected machines work just fine with the same set of files.) I suspected that there might be a problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result. I tried tweaking various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier version of 3.14. That fixed the problem! The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3. The ODI driver is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand. The only difference between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the executable and patch file is in place. I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing. I would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from MS-Kermit re. ARP. It could also be something strange with the NLM which forwards IP and ARP packets between media. However, in case it is a Kermit problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it. If anyone needs more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask. /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 23:18:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:18:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:18:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kemir from a cron job Date: 8 Sep 1995 23:18:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , craig szczublewski wrote: >Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit >in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically >timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it >crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. > >anyone else ever tried this? > Lots of people, including me, do it all the time. Kermit does not write into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related to it. Unfortunately, your question is much to vague to result in a useful answer. What operating system and version? Which version of Kermit? Exactly how are you starting it and where is it getting its commands from and what are the commands? etc etc. In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for example (a cron job that runs every four hours): 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log) where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit to execute. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 20:52:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:52:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!usenet From: jeremy hinman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit doesn't recognize busy signal, other problems Date: 8 Sep 1995 20:52:39 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <42qaen$p03@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: stumac.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5 on a Sparc 10 running Solaris 2.4 with a Hayes Smartmodem 1200. When I dial and the number is busy, kermit simply waits until the dial timeout interval has expired, then reports that error (dial timeout expired). Is there a set command I should use to make Kermit respond with an error message to a busy signal ? Also, if the modem is not connected to the phone line, Kermit will still dial the number and wait util the timeout has expired. Should it be looking for a dialtone? How about recognizing a ring? All of the internal switches on the modem are set correctly for returning error codes, etc. , and kermit works fine with the modem if everything's connected correctly and the number is not busy. Any ideas? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 23:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:17:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:17:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!t500.vol.it!news From: mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 23:54:06 GMT Organization: Video On Line Lines: 19 Message-Id: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: volbg26.vol.it X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol behind the command you send with mskermit? Thank you very much for your help. P.S. Please, send e-mail to me too. mrcznc@mbox.vol.it From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 20:53:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:19:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:19:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!t500.vol.it!news From: mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 20:53:31 GMT Organization: Video On Line Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42q771$97@t500.vol.it> References: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> <1995Sep7.210043.60814@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: volbg26.vol.it X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text >strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its >Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in >a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented >by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Thank you for your answer. The problem now is that here in Italy it is not easy to find that book soon and i need it now. Also, I only need to know only a few information about the problem i told you about. Is there any place around the Net where I can find such documentation ? Bye mrcznc@mbox.vol.it From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 16:52:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:22:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:22:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kemir from a cron job Date: 9 Sep 1995 11:52:47 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 37 Message-Id: <42sgov$nen@Venus.mcs.com> References: <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >craig szczublewski wrote: >>Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit >>in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically >>timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it >>crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. >> >>anyone else ever tried this? >> >Lots of people, including me, do it all the time. Kermit does not write >into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related >to it. Cron normally collects stdout and mails it to the owner of the cron job, so the problem is likely kermit sending lots of stuff to stdout. >In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from >a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for >example (a cron job that runs every four hours): > > 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log) > >where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit >to execute. I usually write a shell wrapper that will do some retries and report complete failures, although you could do that in the kermit script as well. Keep in mind that you don't ever want to go to 'connect' mode in a script - do everything with 'input' and 'output', and unless you are manually debugging, be sure 'take echo' and 'input echo' are turned off. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 05:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:01:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:01:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Sep 95 11:49:15 MDT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net>, Rick Owens writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >>As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated >>in several ways: > >> . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. >> . New patch files have been issued. >> . A new font utility is now included. > >>The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a >>period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become >>the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH >>files have been installed in all the regular places: > > Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. First, some > background: Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an > Arcnet backbone. The two are connected through our primary Novell file > server (3.11, FWIW). We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect > to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the > Ethernet backbone) for about two years now. We're planning to make some > major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating > our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other > changes to available software, servers, etc. > > Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I > put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to > access. I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer > access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the > address of the gateway using ARP. (Ethernet connected machines work just > fine with the same set of files.) I suspected that there might be a > problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result. I tried tweaking > various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier > version of 3.14. That fixed the problem! > > The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3. The ODI driver > is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand. The only difference > between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the > executable and patch file is in place. > > I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with > TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver > and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing. I > would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the > TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from > MS-Kermit re. ARP. It could also be something strange with the NLM which > forwards IP and ARP packets between media. However, in case it is a Kermit > problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it. If anyone needs > more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask. ---------- Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got broken. I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my place en masse. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 20:32:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:53:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:53:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 9 Sep 95 20:32:51 GMT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: [...] | Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes | to ARP. ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :( |An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte | MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer. There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources; I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are significant. For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers. | The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, | 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the | MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got | broken. The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) | I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that | arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP | routing a NW server does in that case. Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have no trouble. It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following the RFCs... |I found that connections would | cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. I wonder if this is related to the Linux ARP problem described earlier? Like Linux, the NW server does time out ARP entries. Perhaps something similar is happeneing? Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 11:13:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:42:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:42:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <1995Sep9.171325.60974@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Sep 95 17:13:25 MDT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > [...] > | Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes > | to ARP. > > ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long > as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :( Right, sure. I understand ODI rather well, but the picky hardware dependent things, say the other guy's MAC address, requires special handling outside the otherwise CS-clean ODI material. ARP is the dirtiest of the hardware parts. > |An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte > | MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. > > I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer. > There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources; > I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are > significant. For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all > six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers. You are beginning to see what the muddle is. > | The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, > | 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the > | MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got > | broken. > > The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. > It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver > interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original > development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) Good suggestion Dan. Tnx. > | I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that > | arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP > | routing a NW server does in that case. > > Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have > no trouble. It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little > too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following > the RFCs... It's not straight IP routing that's the problem; it's the media conversion involved (all that grubby hardware-specific stuff on the ARCnet side). Thanks for the comments, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 10 19:56:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:36:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!Aachen.Germany.EU.net!rmi.de!sun2.cadis.de!graulich From: graulich@cadis.de (Robert Graulich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (Q) how to download with zmodem? Date: 10 Sep 1995 19:56:24 GMT Organization: Cadis GmbH Lines: 7 Message-Id: <42vft8$7rl@sun2.cadis.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: elc2.cadis.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use c-kermit to talk with a BBS. Kermit connects with the telnet command to the modem. How can I configure kermit to receive a file using 'rz'? Is this possible? Thanks in advance, Robert From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 03:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:46:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:46:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.sesqui.net!saratoga.compassnet.com!usenet From: rickr@compassnet.com (Rick Russell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:44:28 GMT Organization: Compass Net, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-Id: <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rickr@compassnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 198.66.160.73 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > The reality is, we need more people > than we have now, not less, in order to support even > the present level of usage. Because of the "new > spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of > "free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are > higher than ever and income is lower than ever. The > old model does not work any more. Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version and a commercial version, and just (politely) refuse support for people who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula? I mean, geez, I was the point-main for MS-Kermit at a university for a couple of years, and it never even occurred to me to bother Columbia with my problems. That's what "free" means -- no pay, no tech support. And, yes, my university library bought several copies of the MS-Kermit book. I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success. Rick R. Rick Russell // rickr@compassnet.com // IRCnick: Cobalt From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 00:33:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:30:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:30:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!wirt From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Speeding up Kermit Date: 11 Sep 1995 00:33:31 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 Message-Id: <43004r$hkp@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: saul2.u.washington.edu Nntp-Posting-User: wirt Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, I'm still a novice to the whole Kermit thing and I was wondering if someone could help me out. My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem. Uncompressed files seem to transfer quite well. Here are the parameters I'm using: set file type binary set receive packet 1024 set window 4 set send packet-length 1024 set block 2 Can anyone spot if I'm missing something? Thanks for any replies! E-mail would be preferable. -- Brian Wirt wirt@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 13:14:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:14:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Speeding up Kermit Date: 11 Sep 1995 13:14:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <431cnl$qmf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43004r$hkp@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, Brian Wirt wrote: : My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC : runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem. Uncompressed : files seem to transfer quite well. Here are the parameters I'm using: : : set file type binary : set receive packet 1024 : set window 4 : set send packet-length 1024 : set block 2 : That's a good start. A few things to note: 1. The packet length is governed by the file receiver. Thus, when uploading you have to give the "set receive packet-length" command to the *other* Kermit program. The "set send packet-length" command doesn't do anything except override (and only downwards, never upwards) the *other* Kermit's packet-length request. 2. "set block 3" is recommended. It's generally a false economy to use less powerful block checks. Now, why is the transfer still so slow? 1. Check your flow control. Use hardware flow control if possible; otherwise you are likely to get buffer overruns, and therefore retransmissions. 2. Try a bigger window size. In general, the bigger the window size, the better, provided flow control is effective. 3. Try a bigger packet length if your connection is relatively noise free (and well-flow controlled). Finally, assuming you are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, read in the update notes (KERMIT.UPD or ckcker.upd) about control-character "unprefixing", which will add another 25% to your throughput right away when transferring ZIP files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 14:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:19:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:19:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 11 Sep 1995 14:19:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com>, Rick Russell wrote: >Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version >and a commercial version, and just (politely) refuse support for people >who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package >with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula? > That does not solve the entire problem. Tech support is only one of our burdens. There is also development, documentation, ftp site management, business management, and on and on. In any case, the world has proven to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying for it, "free" wins every time. >I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and >Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success. > Thanks. I think the price to universities is so close to free that it makes little difference to each university. But it makes a lot of difference to us. And ultimately to them too -- if so many universities depend on our software, I think they want us to continue to be here, developing it and supporting it. The problem with our stance on MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, etc ("please buy books") was that it was impossible for purchasing agents and budgeteers to understand. The policy on Kermit 95 could not be simpler, and everyone will benefit from it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 22:05:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:00:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:00:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 11 Sep 1995 22:05:35 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 41 Message-Id: <432brf$j7i@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >That does not solve the entire problem. Tech support is only one of our >burdens. There is also development, documentation, ftp site management, >business management, and on and on. In any case, the world has proven >to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying >for it, "free" wins every time. Not necessarily. I've done some work at some sites that have an explicit policy: only fully licensed software can be run on their PC's. A license for *every* piece of software on each PC must be in the legal office. Freeware, shareware, or anything that isn't purchased isn't allowed. There are at least two reasons for this policy: 1. The lawyers wanted it. This makes perfect sense, in light of the lawsuit that Microsoft, etc. would launch against a large company if it was found running dozens of unlicensed copies of Word, Excel, etc. 2. System administration likes it. They only have to support (or pretend to support) a small number of packages. And they don't have their users installing all sorts of widgets and hacks that wreak havoc with keeping hundreds of PC's running. But as a result of this policy, I wasn't allowed to use MS-DOS Kermit at several sites. And let me tell you - the sorry excuse for a terminal emulator I had to run made my life miserable. How the f**k do these people get away with calling these things terminal emulators? I swear the writers of these crummy emulators must've never seen a real VT100. So I have one suggestion for Frank, or whoever actually packages up Windows-95 Kermit: please include a version of MS-DOS kermit which (by default) gets installed along with the Windows-95 version. Then it will at least be possible to buy Windows-95 Kermit as a way of getting MS-DOS Kermit to sites which have extremely restrictive software policies. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 00:01:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:19:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!axe!ll1 From: Larry Levine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:01:53 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: axe.humboldt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a previously unseen problem... Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit will show the message, ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right. Of course there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in script. What's going on? Suggestions for correcting this? From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 14:42:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Sep 95 20:42:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine writes: > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a > previously unseen problem... > > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit > will show the message, > > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > > A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right. Of course > there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in > script. > > What's going on? Suggestions for correcting this? ----------- I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to your machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 12:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:21:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:21:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!buffnet2.buffnet.net!usenet From: root Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit through telnet Date: 11 Sep 1995 12:23:03 GMT Organization: BuffNET Lines: 22 Message-Id: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: buffnet3.buffnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.3.25 i386) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ok, first off what OS... Linux Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the session to sz rz or whatever I want... Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT modifing C-Kermit?! -- ________________ -= Andrew Kroll =---------------\ /------------------------------ Tired of Bill Gates? LL \ / Think Bill is getting MY CASH?? Win '95 sucks! DOS is OK. LL II NNNNN UU UU XX XX Linux! A free Un*x Want to turn your PC into LL II NN NN UU UU XXX clone for 386/486/P5's a powerful workstation? LLLLL II NN NN UUUUU XX XX FINALLY A -=REAL=- OS! -------------------------------------\ /--= =-- \ / \/ FREELY available at your favorite ftp site! From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 03:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:59:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:59:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Date: 12 Sep 1995 03:10:15 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 35 Message-Id: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72894 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3605 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set. I've finally got my modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit. Seyon doesn't complain at all. I'm sure it's a head slapper but I can't figure out what the heck is going on. Here is the grab from my xterm: gryphon:~$ kermit /var/lock: Permission denied Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/modem ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, POSIX Type ? or HELP for help Linux Kermit> and here is the listing for kermit: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 373764 Jul 21 1994 /usr/bin/kermit and the /var/lock directory drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock and subdir drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Sep 11 12:20 emacs Yeah I know I should get the latest version but I'd like to see this one working first. Thanks for any help, Rod From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 07:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:51:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!Gopher!schroedj From: schroedj@pcub30.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE (Juergen Schroeder) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 12 Sep 1995 07:28:45 GMT Organization: Library of the Philipps University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <433crd$t8@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> References: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Reply-To: js@psub13.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: pcub30.ub.uni-marburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72909 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3606 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rod Anderson (andersr@comtch.iea.com) wrote: : gryphon:~$ kermit : /var/lock: Permission denied [..] : and the /var/lock directory : drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock If you want start kermit not as root you have to set the permissions chmod a+w /var/lock because kermit wants to create an lockfile in this dir. Juergen From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 04:33:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:04:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:04:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Message-Id: <91QVww8Z7yZR084yn@netcom.com> Sender: jhurwit@netcom3.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:33:01 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: >ok, first off what OS... Linux > >Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the >session to sz rz or whatever I want... > >Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT >modifing C-Kermit?! C-Kermit will read from the standard input (instead of a file), if that's what you mean. 'kermit -s -' at your prompt or, if you want a file name sent with it, 'kermit -s - -a filename'. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 10:19:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:19:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 12 Sep 1995 10:19:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] >You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit >isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should do or what I should look for. >There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on >the situation. >First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that >has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell >you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no need to try the second test. I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported. Meanwhile, some more information. After the MSK machine would not respond (this again means, no output on the screen. It is still possible to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a 'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same Linux machine as well as other machines. I got the error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other times. It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just a return to the Kermit prompt. Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit. I use a version from 18 Jan 95. Could this also be a possible source of the problem? So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine. Tried to connect to the Linux box and got: Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz However, I was able to telnet to other machines. Aaarrgh! I am really interested in solving this problem because we would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not behave as well as Kermit about this. Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down to restart the machine. I just wanted to re-emphasize that point. Thanks for your patience with this jumbled and unclear information. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 19:26:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jaimef From: jaimef@infinet.com (Jaime Fuhr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit/msdos xfer Date: 11 Sep 1995 19:26:03 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on a PC. What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine. I have found that the file xfer is very slow. Is there any way I can speed it up? I've tried adjusting the packet-length with no success. Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit? Thanks! jaime -- ============================================================================== Jaime Fuhr jaimef@infinet.com System Administrator http://www.infinet.com/~jaimef Kemba Columbus Credit Union Columbus, Ohio '95 XLH-Loooooo "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......" - Charles Dickens from A Tale of Two Cities ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:29:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:29:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:29:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:29:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <433ufr$7oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: : ok, first off what OS... Linux : : Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the : session to sz rz or whatever I want... : : Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT : modifing C-Kermit?! : Yes. The command is REDIRECT. It is available in version 5A(190). See section 8.1 of the ckcker.upd file for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:31:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit/msdos xfer Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:31:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <433uje$7qg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com>, Jaime Fuhr wrote: >I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on >a PC. What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine. >I have found that the file xfer is very slow. Is there any way I can >speed it up? > Yes. Please refer to the manual, info below, or the FAQ at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt >Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit? > The information is in the manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:41:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:41:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:41:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:41:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <433v58$81p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72946 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3612 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com>, Rod Anderson wrote: >Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set. I've finally got my >modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit. >Seyon doesn't complain at all. > It's always nice to hear when somebody buys our copyrighted software from a third party who has never bothered to ask our permission to sell it. I suggest that you obtain technical support from the company that sold it to you. They have your money. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 11:29:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:57:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:57:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 12 Sep 1995 07:29:03 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <433qtv$1g3p@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns5-1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using the 'suspend' feature and resuming. thereafter windows is messed up as far as that port is concerned. wayne -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ** BE PREPARED TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE ** /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ * People die, 8 per day on the transplant waiting list, for lack of a donor. ** Your family must know your wishes *!now!* because their agreement is required at the time donation is to take place. Questions? See the FAQ: -- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/bit.listserv.transplant/ Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer, Lehigh University 610-758-3983 wsm0@lehigh.edu http://www.lehigh.edu/~wsm0 610-974-6434(fax) VSE/ESA 1.2, VM/HPO 5 http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/vse-l/ (VSE mailing list) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 01:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:27:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:26:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep12.075302.61110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Sep 95 07:53:02 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: > > [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the > terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux > (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] > >>You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit >>isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. > > I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. > It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should > do or what I should look for. > >>There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on >>the situation. >>First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that >>has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell >>you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. > > I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no > need to try the second test. > > I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. > However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet > card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. > > However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being > returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported. > > Meanwhile, some more information. After the MSK machine would not > respond (this again means, no output on the screen. It is still possible > to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a > 'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same > Linux machine as well as other machines. I got the error message: > Unable to ARP resolve gateway > > This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). This rather clearly indicates that the Linux TCP/IP stack has real problems with its ARP cache and destination MAC address handling. > I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately > deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other > times. It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was > impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just > a return to the Kermit prompt. Ditto. > Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have > tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, > and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I > should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a > cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. > > I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit. > I use a version from 18 Jan 95. Could this also be a possible source of the > problem? Not that I can deduce. > So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine. Tried to connect to > the Linux box and got: Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz > However, I was able to telnet to other machines. > > Aaarrgh! I am really interested in solving this problem because we > would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not > behave as well as Kermit about this. How about talking to the Linux News groups for hints. You are not the only person to report such problems. > Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that > MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down > to restart the machine. I just wanted to re-emphasize that point. If MSK sends a TCP segment which requires an acknowledgment from the other end then it must wait and wait for it, and finally give up after a long interval. The process of tearing down a connection does the same (tries a proper FIN close, then if necessary sends an RST and bails out, but the FIN close has time delays. Unack'd data requires waiting, and FIN, and waiting...). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 20:28:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2992@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 12 Sep 95 20:28:21 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | | In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: | | [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the | terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux | (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] | | >You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit | >isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. | | I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. | It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should | do or what I should look for. | | >There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on | >the situation. | >First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that | >has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell | >you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. | | I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no | need to try the second test. I forgot to ask whether this is another Linux box or something else. If something else, then it would still be good to try the ping-from-clean- Linux-system test to see if such ARPs *ever* work. | I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. | However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet | card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. In the absence of a trace (which would probably make everything completely clear at this point), I can suggest one more drastic test. Rather than adding the ARP entry at this point, reboot the Linux machine. This would (I hope) determine whether something stateful on the Linux box prevented the ARP from working. | This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). | |I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately | deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other | times. Well, that's nice in a sense. At least you can reproduce the problem on demand without waiting for it to show up. |It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was | impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just | a return to the Kermit prompt. Does it return immediately or take a while to time out? | Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have | tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, | and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I | should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a | cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. I believe that a hand-entered address is not timed out (if Linux ARP is typical). That would explain why it didn't fail thereafter. If you can point me at the version of kermit in question I can do some tests myself... Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 23:19:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:19:28 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 42 Message-Id: <4354fl$h8p@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: [text omitted] > Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes >to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte >MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. >The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, >6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the >MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got >broken. FWLIW, Novell's user list shows it on the right (least significant byte). > I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that >arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP >routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would >cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. Well, we've been lucky; MSK 3.13 and early 3.14 have both been working for us, and should (hopefully) see us through 'till we can junk the ARCnet wiring and NICs. (I will be _so_ glad when we can afford to switch all that--stuff--to Ethernet. ARCnet is a royal pain in more ways than one.) > I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because >I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment >and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs >deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my >place en masse. > Joe D. Thanks! If there's anything I can do to give you more info, please ask. /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 23:26:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:26:38 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4354t2$hb9@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) wrote: [text omitted] >The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. >It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver >interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original >development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) So far, the early MSK 3.14 has done the trick. Thanks for the suggestion though. (And with a bit of luck, we'll make it through long enough to remove the last vestiges of ARCnet from our campus... on which day we'll probably have an ARC-NIC toss.... :) ) /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 05:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!senior.nectec.or.th!mozart.inet.co.th!suttip From: suttip@mozart.inet.co.th (Suttinun Pa-khanghung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need kermit source Date: 13 Sep 1995 05:13:59 GMT Organization: Internet Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. Lines: 2 Message-Id: <435pan$6qe@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: mozart.inet.co.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find and get Ms-kermit for PC source code suttip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 13 02:44:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:57:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:57:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Date: 12 Sep 1995 21:44:47 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 15 Message-Id: <435giv$hpp@Venus.mcs.com> References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: >ok, first off what OS... Linux > >Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the >session to sz rz or whatever I want... > >Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT >modifing C-Kermit?! I think so, but why bother since kermit is perfectly capable of making the telnet connection itself and you can run it with a script if you like? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 09:02:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:36:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:36:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence Message-Id: <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest> Date: 13 Sep 95 14:02:23 EST Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, here's the issue. We have a LAN running Netware 4.1. We are currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines in DOS. We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit 3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet driver. Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT. No go--when Novell's TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS. That's to be expected, though. Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine reboots, I've come up with the following solution: 1) Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.) 2) Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs. 3) Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware connectivity to file servers and such.) 4) Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip connections. 5) Yes, this even works in Windows. I'm doing it right now, I've got my Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but again, that's to be expected. The big question is: Am I flirting with disaster? Is PDETHER not as good of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card? Are there any other unforseen problems that I should know about? I'm going to hit it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns. --Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 13:36:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:31:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:31:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence Message-Id: <1995Sep13.193648.61242@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Sep 95 19:36:48 MDT References: <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes: > Okay, here's the issue. We have a LAN running Netware 4.1. We are > currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines > in DOS. We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus > getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit > 3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet > driver. > > Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT. No go--when Novell's > TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS. That's to > be expected, though. > > Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine > reboots, I've come up with the following solution: > > 1) Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.) > 2) Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs. > 3) Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load > Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware > connectivity to file servers and such.) > 4) Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip > connections. > 5) Yes, this even works in Windows. I'm doing it right now, I've got my > Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. > There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but > again, that's to be expected. > > > The big question is: Am I flirting with disaster? Is PDETHER not as good Yes. Not as good. > of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card? Are there > any other unforseen problems that I should know about? I'm going to hit > it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns. If your site has a licensed copy of Lan WorkPlace/DOS from Novell then component TELAPI placed on top of Novell's TCP/IP stack forms an interface that Kermit can use, even in Windows. This is an "approved" method to run the two products together; we think so and so does Novell. We basically say all risks become yours when pktmux is involved. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 15:47:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:17:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:17:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:47:22 GMT Lines: 30 Message-Id: <811093642@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out. Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation as it does on a real Wyse50. Is there perhaps a patch for this? --- #!/bin/sh # wy50test.sh Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with # MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite). # Sledgehammer reset echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c" sleep 3 # Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect) echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c" sleep 3 # Normal echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c" sleep 3 # Sledgehammer reset echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END" exit 0 --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 17:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!upsnews.ups.com!airvax.air.ups.com!air1ggp From: air1ggp@airvax.air.ups.com (George Gary Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate Date: 13 Sep 95 21:04:03 EDT Organization: United Parcel Service Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.2.131.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a Macintosh character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations to which I have access include macintosh-latin as a file character set [set file char ?], but when I "set file char mac", "sho file" reports the character set as dg-international. One machine is running DEC-VMS; the other DEC-OSF/1-Unix. The idea is to translate the file on the upload to mac-speak, then download it with a transparent transfer mode. The C-Kermit manual indicates that the dg-intl character set is quite different from the macintosh set. Can anyone explain or provide a solution? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 22:04:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:04:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:04:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate Date: 14 Sep 1995 22:04:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43a8u4$218@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com>, George Gary Perkins wrote: : I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to : translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a : Macintosh character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations : to which I have access include macintosh-latin as a file character : set [set file char ?], but when I "set file char mac", "sho file" : reports the character set as dg-international. : Try the current version of C-Kermit, which is 5A(190). It works fine there. You can even upload the file without translation and then tell C-Kermit to "translate cp437 mac". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 15:26:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:05:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:05:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation Message-Id: <1995Sep14.212654.61352@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Sep 95 21:26:53 MDT References: <811093642@gkja> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <811093642@gkja>, Graham Jenkins writes: > One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in > the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out. > Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the > same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation > as it does on a real Wyse50. Is there perhaps a patch for this? > > --- > #!/bin/sh > # wy50test.sh Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with > # MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite). > > # Sledgehammer reset > echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c" > sleep 3 > > # Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect) > echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c" > sleep 3 > > # Normal > echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c" > sleep 3 > > # Sledgehammer reset > echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END" > exit 0 ----------- Yes, this is a genuine bug, sigh. It turns out that fixing it is something of a chore deep in the code because of the way sundry video attributes are munged (changed) by the ESC ` sequence. I'll have this fixed in the next release, as they say, because it is turning out to be too complicated to generate as a Patch file item. I have a real Wyse-50 to help decode the affair. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 17:25:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:21:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VOS Kermit (batched) and the INPUT command Date: 14 Sep 1995 13:25:25 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 10 Message-Id: <439oi5$hup@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a script which works quite well when run interactively with Kermit 190(5A) on VOS 11.7.2. But when it is run as a batched or start- process, it hangs. Using the -d option, it appears that it hangs on the first INPUT command it encounters -- which makes sense if it is trying to read from a nonexistent keyboard to see if the INJPUT has been interrupted. Am I doing anything wrong? marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 20:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:18:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:18:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: TQT Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 24-bit CRC Date: 14 Sep 1995 20:04:57 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 4 Message-Id: <43a1ta$8pp@news.sandia.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: sasg353.sandia.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Through the PROCOM (a PC communication software) document I learn that Kermit uses 24 bit CRC for error detection/correction. Does anyone know what is the generating polynomial for this CRC-24? Any reference to a list of 24th order CRC generating polynomials will be much appreciated. msscom.asm in MS-DOS Kermit: ; The CRC is based on the SDLC polynomial: x**16 + x**12 + x**5 + 1. This is also known as CCITT-16. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 13:09:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe? Date: 15 Sep 1995 13:09:12 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 32 Message-Id: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3629 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37064 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com (10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution) quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run multiple terminal sessions with SLIP. However, running Kermit with either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time, then get all spit out to the host at once. Output to me seems unaffected. The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone quite successfully. Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe executable). Now same things happen on this 386sx/16. Any ideas? Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com: c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400 And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe: c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory, in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with no effect. (Crossposted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc) -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 13:51:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:51:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 15 Sep 1995 13:51:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 97 Message-Id: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, so I will start a fresh thread. I posted a question about these problems to the Linux newgroups and after several days, I got the following reply which I send further without permission (because it was publically posted). The main gist of the message is that it is believed that Linux ARP is OK. Here it is: ------------------------ Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: ARP cache problem in 1.2.*?? Organization: Institute For Industrial Information Technology Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:29:07 GMT In article <433jha$k6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >I have also tried MS-Kermit Version 3.14, 24 May 1995, and that will >simply not connect to the Linux box, complaining about Arp resolution >problems. I have communicated with the Kermit people aboout the >problem and I am still trying to figure out what is going on, but >one candidate is that the Linux ARP cache is not well-behaved yet. Linux ARP is believed to work, and its a 'seen by nobody else' problem. That given the userbase normally means its a user setup problem. The one person here who persists in using kermit under DOS, his own custom mail collect read/write scripts and other strange things hasn't moaned at me, nor have other kermit + Linux users I know. >I have tried to look in the kernel changes and could see that some >work was done on Arp. Can someone comment on whether it is likely >that the problems with Kermit could be located in the Linux ARP cache? The only ARP changes made recently have been in the 1.1.x kernels to clean up code and add netmasks to proxy arp (for transparent routing) and some recent 1.3.x fixes whereby ATF_PERM entries would previously be updated by an ARP reply for that address. --------------------------------------------- Meanwhile, this mention of apparent success by another person made me wonder what will happen if I used another version of MSK. So I make the following experiment. 1. Run MSK 3.14 on a 486 machine with ODIPKT and 3C509 card. (and no energy saving features) As usual, after 10 - 15 minutes, the ARP entry disappears, the screen output disappears, though it is still possible to enter commands. 2. Powerdown machine. 3. Run MSK 3.13pl5 on the same machine. a. After 10 minutes, the entire IP number (as opposed to HW address) disappears from ARP table. b. Press CR on MSK. It works. c. Let sit 45 minutes. d. Press CR. It still works. e. Logout, manually delete IP number from ARP cache with arp -d f. Powerdown MSK machine. Login again with MSK 3.13 g. Wait 45 minutes. At this point the HW address has disappeared from the ARP cache (i.e., 00:00:00:00:00:00), even though the IP number is still there. It still works! h. Delete IP number (arp -d) while MSK 3.13 is connected. It still works. i. Login with MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) edition. j. Delete IP number from ARP cache (arp -d). It freezes! k. If I add and delete the IP number by hand a few times, I can "jumpstart" the MSK 3.14 machine back to monitor output. I am willing to suggest that there is some change between MSK 3.13 and MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) that is critical to this problem. And there is yet another change from MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) to MSK 3.14 (24 May 95) that creates a new problem. Well, I don't know much more now about why these problems occur than I knew yesterday, but I am starting to get a better sense of how to create them. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 15:07:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:31:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:31:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 15 Sep 1995 11:07:27 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-Id: <43c4rf$3oe3@ns1-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> <433qtv$1g3p@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 12 Sep 1995 07:29:03 -0400 Wayne S. Mery (wsm0@Lehigh.EDU) wrote: > I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using > the 'suspend' feature and resuming. thereafter windows is messed up My reporting was in error. I get the problem after running kermit, shutting it down, switching to another window (in my case WordPerfect) and then trying kermit again. I can't swear that there is nothing wrong with the ms-windows setup, I'm not an expert there. W. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ** BE PREPARED TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE ** /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ * People die, 8 per day on the transplant waiting list, for lack of a donor. ** Your family must know your wishes *!now!* because their agreement is required at the time donation is to take place. Questions? See the FAQ: -- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/bit.listserv.transplant/ Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer, Lehigh University 610-758-3983 wsm0@lehigh.edu http://www.lehigh.edu/~wsm0 610-974-6434(fax) VSE/ESA 1.2, VM/HPO 5 http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/vse-l/ (VSE mailing list) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 05:30:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:02:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:02:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe? Message-Id: <1995Sep15.113038.61385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 11:30:37 MDT References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3632 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37069 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com > (10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution) > quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run > multiple terminal sessions with SLIP. However, running Kermit with > either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip > file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as > drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about > half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time, > then get all spit out to the host at once. Output to me seems > unaffected. This looks rather like lost packets, going in either direction. The 24 May edition of MSK has slight changes in the transmit section where Nagle's algorithm is involved (suspend further transmission until an outstanding one has been ACK'd, that kind of thing). > The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit > release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone > quite successfully. Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on > that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe > executable). Now same things happen on this 386sx/16. Any ideas? The older MSK was more aggressive about sending, the newer one is closer to industry standard practice on the Nagle matter. Differences will arise when outgoing data or their ACKs are lost. The newer one is preferable overall. > Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com: > > c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400 > > And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe: > > c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive > > I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory, > in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with > no effect. I have to guess that maybe flow control to the modems is not all that it ought to be, or the modem is buffering material and sitting on it. Doing VJ header compression yields shorter packets and hence the modem buffer fills more slowly. Using slipper.exe here on a straight copper wire across the hall way has performed ok. There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some time ago. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 15:47:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:39:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:39:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key map for VMS PF keys Message-Id: <1995Sep15.214739.61446@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 21:47:39 MDT References: <43cu1s$4tl@hydra.cc.umb.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43cu1s$4tl@hydra.cc.umb.edu>, 5067RZHAN@gemini.cc.umb.edu (Zhang,ray Y.) writes: > Can someone tell me what's the keyboard mapping for VMS PF keys, you > know Gold key, etc. ------------ They aren't operating system keys but rather than are VTxxx terminal keys. They are discussed fully in the user's manual for your Kermit and in the release supplementary documentation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 08:17:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:30:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:30:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!mn4.swip.net!lorelei!hoh From: hoh@lorelei.approve.se (Goran Larsson) Subject: Problems with c-kermit-5A.190 Message-Id: <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se> Organization: Home of the Hacker of Hackefors Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:17:20 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP, I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!) in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended (in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188. $ ls -l SDL* -rw-r--r-- 1 hoh 253974 Sep 16 01:42 SDLPALLA.EXE-188 -rw-r--r-- 1 hoh 381140 Sep 16 00:56 SDLPALLA.EXE-190 $ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-188 | head -5 00000000 4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 fffff0ff MZd............. 00000010 00010000 0001f0ff 1c000000 00000000 ................ 00000020 eb792000 4c484127 73205346 5820322e .y .LHA's SFX 2. 00000030 31335320 28632920 596f7368 692c2031 13S (c) Yoshi, 1 00000040 3939310d 0a005265 6e616d65 20746f20 991...Rename to $ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-190 | head -5 00000000 4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 597f597f MZd.........Y.Y. 00000010 5970597f 00010000 00015970 597f1c00 YpY.......YpY... 00000020 00000000 0000596b 7920004c 48412773 ......Yky .LHA's 00000030 20534658 20322e31 33532028 63292019 SFX 2.13S (c) . 00000040 6f736869 2c203139 39310d0a 0052656e oshi, 1991...Ren $ Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters. About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the "kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190? -- Goran Larsson Phone: +46 13 299588 FAX: +46 13 299022 Approve AB +46 589 12810 +46 589 16901 hoh@approve.se I was an atheist, until I found out I was God. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 05:33:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:08:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:08:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 11:33:20 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have > had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. > > I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, > so I will start a fresh thread. I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the behavior. It's a substitution test. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 14:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:24:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with c-kermit-5A.190 Date: 16 Sep 1995 14:24:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <43emn4$sld@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se>, Goran Larsson wrote: >As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP, >I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for >dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!) >in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended >(in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a >while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware >but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188. > ... >Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters. >About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks >to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the >"kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190? > The problem is with the Wildcat BBS, in its execution of the Kermit protocol negotiation phase. Here are the solutions to the problem in descending order of desirability: 1. Mustang Software should license a top-notch and correctly-functioning implementation of Kermit protocol from Columbia University. Since you are their customer, you might suggest this to them. 2. The proprietors of any Wildcat BBS's can install MS-DOS Kermit Lite on their own BBS's, bypassing the Wildcat Kermit implementation. See Kermit News #6 for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html 3. Work around the Wildcat bug by telling C-Kermit (or MS-DOS Kermit or any other Kermit program you might be using) to "set parity space" prior to transferring any files. Of course, with your parity set to space (or anything other than none) you can't see those attractive BBS screens during terminal emulation, you should "set parity space" just before transfer and "set parity none" right after transfer, before going back to the BBS screen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 16:58:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:58:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:58:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: New version of slip8250? Date: 16 Sep 1995 16:58:07 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep15.113038.61385@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3638 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37076 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik says: | There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper |tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more |sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts |and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some |time ago. Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses. Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or is there a newer one? -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 07:44:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:22:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:22:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Message-Id: <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Sep 95 13:44:21 MDT References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3639 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37078 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > Joe Doupnik says: > | There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper > |tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more > |sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts > |and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some > |time ago. > > Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses. > > Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or > is there a newer one? ----------------- The current version is dated 11-22-93 and it is in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers, available widely. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 23:19:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:40:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:40:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!axe!ll1 From: Larry Levine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:19:02 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: axe.humboldt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article , Larry Levine writes: > > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a > > previously unseen problem... > > > > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit > > will show the message, > > > > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over > the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, > a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? > There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution > docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to > your machine. > Joe D. Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. Larry. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 06:34:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:30:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: an369375@anon.penet.fi X-Anonymously-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Anonymous forwarding service Reply-To: an369375@anon.penet.fi Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:34:42 UTC Subject: How to hook up via PPP Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. If you reply to this message, your message WILL be *automatically* anonymized and you are allocated an anon id. Read the help file to prevent this. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 17 14:14:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 10:14:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 10:14:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hook up via PPP Date: 17 Sep 1995 14:14:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43hafd$3gv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi>, wrote: : My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP : connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like : to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how : over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet : cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using : MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? : Note that the current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. PPP is, in most cases, problematic -- maybe somebody else who has gotten this to work can pipe up. But you can certainly use Kermit over SLIP using the SLIP8250 driver that comes on the Kermit diskette, and following the instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, section "Making SLIP Connections". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 00:19:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:19:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 18 Sep 1995 00:19:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have >> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. >> >> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, >> so I will start a fresh thread. > > I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is >try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the >behavior. It's a substitution test. If I understood correctly, I attempted this test. I connected between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and there were no problems. So what do you conclude? Cheers, Seth From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 17 23:01:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:39:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: alan@clark.net (Alan McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac-Kermit: FONTS Date: 17 Sep 1995 19:01:44 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <43i9co$b3a@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan. I'm getting my mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded and installed the Mac version of Kermit. Works great, except: even though fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother. Can someone reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which look OK? I should mention that the Mac is a performa, and I installed the fonts in what I am assured is the acceptable way: dragging the icon over the System Folder and then answering Yes to the question: should these be installed in Fonts? Many thanks in advance for any help! Best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell For some strange reason, the United States, although Pixel Analysis inhabited by mostly rich people, is a very poor country. (alan@clark.net) ===> Unless it can be abused, it's not freedom. <=== From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 08:12:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:10:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:10:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!Gopher!schroedj From: schroedj@pcub30.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE (Juergen Schroeder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hook up via PPP Date: 18 Sep 1995 08:12:08 GMT Organization: Library of the Philipps University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <43j9ko$g17@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> References: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Reply-To: js@psub13.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: pcub30.ub.uni-marburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu an369375@anon.penet.fi wrote: : My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP : connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like : to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how : over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet : cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using : MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? Try to get etherppp. It emulates a packetdriver interface and has a builtin dialer. Works good with e.g. NCSA-Telnet. It needs 120 KB RAM so don't know if it run with kermit. Juergen From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 09:06:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pacifier!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:36:23 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 24 Message-Id: <43jcqf$rst@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : If the Windows 95 version is commercial, : : I would have very serious doubts about how : : well it could compete with the dozens of other : : Windows' communication programs already available. : : : Let's hope it holds its own. Otherwise, we're : outa here. Simple as that. Developing and supporting : Kermit software on the scale that its present usage : demands is a full-time job for a certain number of : people. If K95 (sounding like the Australian Defence force exercise Kanagaroo '95) can handle network protocols and INT 14H redirectors under Windows '95 it's doing better than a large number of its competitors. (Now if only I could persuade the folks at esoft.com to fund a built-in TIPX client for MS-Kermit/K95...) -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 09:03:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!at From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with OS/2 C-Kermit REXX interface Date: 18 Sep 1995 09:03:58 GMT Organization: University of Stuttgart, IER Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808 and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?) was reported to be 0005. To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd. rexx call test.cmd works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like say "hello" but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit commands like 'set parity none'. I can't believe that I am the first to try the xsend macro under cko191 and OS/2 Warp, but I didn't find a description of this problem in the FAQ. Thanks for any hints, Alfred -- .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Alfred Trukenmueller Universitaet Stuttgart | | IER | From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 12:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:26:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac-Kermit: FONTS Date: 18 Sep 1995 12:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <43joi5$65r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43i9co$b3a@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43i9co$b3a@clark.net>, Alan McConnell wrote: >As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan. I'm getting my >mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded >and installed the Mac version of Kermit. Works great, except: even though >fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which >is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother. Can someone >reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried >about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which >look OK? > As you might infer from reading the ckmker.bwr file, Mac Kermit has been disinherited for quite some time, for lack of volunteer programmers and funding for professional ones. The font question is discussed at length in the ckmker.bwr and accompanying ckmker.fon file. The gist is that this aspect of Mac Kermit (among many others) needs a complete overhaul. We even have a new font created expressly for Mac Kermit, but the program was never coded to use it. The short answer to your question is that the only sizes for the built-in font that are usable are 9 and 18. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 12:03:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:19:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:19:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Message-Id: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:03:06 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 18:20:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:20:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:20:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:20:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs >only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps >components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? > >Thanks, > >Helen > No. C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is a Vio application. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 22:23:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:03:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:03:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!gentzel From: gentzel@epicycle.lm.com (David Gentzel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:23:52 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 Sender: gentzel@telerama.lm.com Message-Id: References: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 18 Sep 1995 18:20:38 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>, > wrote: >>I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs >>only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps >>components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? > >No. C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is >a Vio application. Any chance a future version will load these DLL's dynamically rather than statically? -- Dave Gentzel gentzel@telerama.lm.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 20:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 20:22:34 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 10 Message-Id: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log file. I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it in a fle. Apologies if this is a FAQ. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 23:51:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!news From: Brian Hoort Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: How to get rid of all the horiz. lines? Date: 18 Sep 1995 23:51:57 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex3-7.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.2.1 i486) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#43j9ko$g17@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb terminal for Linux. Everything works great, except for some esthetics. 1. Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row. It's very annoying and makes some work difficult. 2. Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things, fail. How do I rid myself of these two thorns? Aside from these, Kermit is great and I would like to commend the authors. Thankyou. Brian Hoort Michigan State University hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu Just remember kids- All is moral in the name of god, and Linux is religion with complete autonomy. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 08:06:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:55:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!simtel!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Sep18.140620.61546@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Sep 95 14:06:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine writes: > On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article , Larry Levine writes: >> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a >> > previously unseen problem... >> > >> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit >> > will show the message, >> > >> > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > >> I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over >> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, >> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? >> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution >> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to >> your machine. >> Joe D. > > Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As > for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though > I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. > > FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. > > Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the > error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. > > Larry. --------- Oh. The WP task swapper. Well, all bets are off if you use that item since it's not quite what we would call a multitasker in this day and age. I don't know if it touches serial ports either. I can say that some machines initialize their serial ports at power on self test (POST) time better than others, and that internal modems are often in an unstable state until beaten upon by software. Maybe you can try again with a bare machine (boot from floppy to make life simpler), and without the WP task swapper. If the serial port is recognized those ways then the finger swings to WP. Please keep in mind that some TSRs consume lots of cpu time with interrupts turned off, DOS' PRINT being near the head of that list, and they can interfere with validating serial port hardware. So can using a 3C509 Ethernet board for a lan adapter. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 12:58:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:58:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:58:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 19 Sep 1995 08:58:49 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <43meq9$fmm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken Crossman wrote: : : I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture : a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log : file. : : I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it : in a fle. : : Apologies if this is a FAQ. : From the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette: You can use Kermit's controller-print feature to turn a session log into a plain text file. The session log contains escape sequences that can be stripped as follows: 1. Edit the session log file to insert ESC [ ? 5 i at the beginning (start controller print). 2. Start Kermit and give it these commands: SET PORT BIOS1 ; Or some other port you will not actually be using. SET PRINTER FILE.TXT ; Send transparent print material to this file. REPLAY SESSION.LOG ; Run session log through terminal emulator. (Thanks to H.D. Knoble for this hint.) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 09:34:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:02:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:02:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!vipunen.hut.fi!rak From: rak@vipunen.hut.fi (Risto A Karola) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PUSHing to DOS with MSK 3.14 Date: 19 Sep 95 09:34:39 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 15 Distribution: inet Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps: When (in the middle of a session) I exit from terminal emulator to kermit (Alt-X) and give PUSH command to go to DOS shell, the speaker begins to output the line 'noise' and when I EXIT back to kermit, the connection is cut off. Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this. Thanks, RAK From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 16:26:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:11:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:11:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!ames!olivea!fusaro!usenet From: lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Date: 19 Sep 1995 16:26:23 GMT Organization: Olivetti Ricerca Lines: 5 Message-Id: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Nntp-Posting-Host: skipper.ico.olivetti.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excuse me for my poor english. I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial port uses the kermit protocol. Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? Thank in advance.............. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 17:30:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:31:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:30:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Date: 19 Sep 1995 17:30:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <43muof$19b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>, Marco Lauro wrote: >Excuse me for my poor english. >I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial >port uses the kermit protocol. >Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? > Just run communications software on your PC that uses the Kermit protocol, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Then you can transfer files with the HP calculator: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 13:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:35:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:35:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!at From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with OS/2 C-Kermit REXX interface Date: 19 Sep 1995 13:53:02 GMT Organization: University of Stuttgart, IER Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <43mhvu$1mko@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) writes: |> |> I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on |> the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until |> I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808 |> and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?) |> was reported to be 0005. |> |> To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd. |> rexx call test.cmd |> works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like |> say "hello" |> but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit |> commands like |> 'set parity none'. This problem is obsolete with the current version of OS/2 C-Kermit!! Jeffrey Altman of Columbia University suggested to use the latest version, and indeed everything works perfectly. (The problem is restricted to an older version of ck0191, with ckoker32.exe dated 04-05-95.) -- .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Alfred Trukenmueller Universitaet Stuttgart | | IER | From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 20:13:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:12:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:12:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!morgan.com!usenet From: Raj Venkataraman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit: invoking script Date: 19 Sep 1995 20:13:31 GMT Organization: Morgan Stanley Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43n89b$c5k@sanews1.morgan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bkis171.morgan.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument. Any pointers/tips much appreciated. Raj -- Raj Venkataraman venkar@morgan.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 18:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:14:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hayes.tak for DIAL command Date: 19 Sep 1995 18:12:12 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. Thanks, David Stow rently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems >in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or >not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there >(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). > Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? > Joe D. Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a VMS system using CMU/IP. I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as an unsolved issue. It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 12:56:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: How to get rid of all the horiz. lines? Message-Id: <1995Sep19.185651.61665@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 18:56:51 MDT References: <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Brian Hoort writes: > I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb > terminal for Linux. Everything works great, except for some esthetics. > 1. Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row. > It's very annoying and makes some work difficult. > 2. Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my > screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things, > fail. > > How do I rid myself of these two thorns? Aside from these, Kermit is great and > I would like to commend the authors. Thankyou. -------------- You have a monochrome board in the machine yet Linux thinks it is a color unit. Color code dim blue on black means underlining to mono display adapters. Kermit examines the display adapter to determine its capabilities, but Linux simulates that to Kermit and thus MSK can't come close to the real hardware. You are using a VTxxx emulation, not a PC emulation. VTxxx terminals have 24 lines, not a PC display. Tell your machine the correct screen size (say 80x24) and the display should be fine. Thanks for the complement and we hope you enjoy Kermits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 23:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 19 Sep 95 23:15:36 GMT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems | in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or | not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there | (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). | Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends 0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about). Glancing at the Linux code I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that target ip is one of its addresses) to it. This action appears to be intentional. Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails in a worse way... Perhaps some other field is getting trashed? The Linux code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields. If anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 11:41:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.delphi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 17:41:20 MDT References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes: > I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture > a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log > file. > > I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it > in a fle. > > Apologies if this is a FAQ. ----------- SET PRINTER Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" on the status line. That's a clean copy of just the TEXT appearing on each line, after the cursor moves off by several standard ways. ALT-Printscreen is a toggle, so press again to turn it off. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 03:29:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:29:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:29:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 09:29:01 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >>> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have >>> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. >>> >>> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, >>> so I will start a fresh thread. >> > >> I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is >>try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the >>behavior. It's a substitution test. > > If I understood correctly, I attempted this test. I connected > between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and > there were no problems. > > So what do you conclude? ------------ So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 13:05:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:05:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:05:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command Date: 20 Sep 1995 13:05:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <43p3i2$t4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: >What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a >Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. > The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 and it comes with dialing scripts for many modems. Just install it according to instructions, tell it to "set modem hayes" (or other), and DIAL: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:23:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:03:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Sothamith Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Request Kermit dialup script examples Date: 20 Sep 1995 10:23:53 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <43pbm9$f56@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Keywords: kermit, script Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would kindly appreciate it if anyone having a couple of already written scripts that use kermit to dial up a remote connection, log on to a session without user assistance, and subsequently retrieve a number of files either using the kermit specification or an external protocol such as rz could please either email them to me at chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu as mime or text attachments -- or post them here if others would have interest in seeing them. I have the unix version of Kermit. Thanks ahead of time. I need some information in kinda of a hurry, otherwise I would be willing to wait for the books from Columba to arrive. Thanks alot Sothamith -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Boyer chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu 612-772-2966 H ------------- Mike_Boyer@notes.pw.com 612-830-4831 W Technology . . . the knack of so arranging the world that we dont have to experiance it. -Max Frisch From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 12:44:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:31:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:31:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 20 Sep 1995 12:44:33 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 19 Message-Id: <43p2bh$9tb@krel.iea.com> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: [snip] : So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems : in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or : not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there : (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). : Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? : Joe D. Caveat: I don't have networking on my system at home. The systems with networking I have experiences with are 1.0.9 on a network with an IBM RS/6000 Model 320(?). We couldn't get a network connection (ping, telnet, ftp) between the IBM and the Linux machines unless someone was logged on to the Linux machine. Strange but maybe applicable. Rod From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 01:30:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:14:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:14:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Message-Id: <1995Sep20.073026.61684@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 07:30:26 MDT References: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>, lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro) writes: > Excuse me for my poor english. > I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial port uses the kermit protocol. > Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? ----------- First, if Kermit is built into the HP calculator then you can run MS-DOS Kermit on the PC and move files back and forth naturally. HP48 calculators, in particular, work well this way. On the other hand, if the calculator lacks a Kermit program, and it has the ability to be programmed enough to make a primative Kermit, then a good place to start is purchasing a copy of the rule book: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, also available from Columbia University. In addition to presenting the Kermit protocol specifications the book has a BASIC program implementing a very simplified version of the Kermit protocol. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 20:30:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!not-for-mail From: espiritu@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Ed Espiritu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 20 Sep 1995 13:30:18 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714-638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 58 Message-Id: <43ptkq$qlg@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine wrote: > > >On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article , Larry Levine writes: >> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a >> > previously unseen problem... >> > >> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit >> > will show the message, >> > >> > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > >> I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over >> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, >> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? >> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution >> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to >> your machine. >> Joe D. > >Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As >for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though >I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. > >FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. > >Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the >error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. > > Larry. Clone 486DX2-66 Windows 3.1 PC Tools for Windows shell my login script reads set port 2 echo set port 2 set port 2 echo set port 2 set port 2 echo set port 2 Occasionally the first one generates the error, one in thirty uses. The second one never generates the error. The third one is there in case it does. Sessions with and without the error message are indistinguishable. -- Ed Espiritu --- -- --Ed Espiritu== From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 11:01:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 17:01:40 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > | So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems > | in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or > | not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there > | (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). > | Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? > > Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends > 0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about). Glancing at the Linux code > I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that > target ip is one of its addresses) to it. This action appears to be > intentional. Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails > in a worse way... Perhaps some other field is getting trashed? The Linux > code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields. If > anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped. --------- It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 16:55:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!news.cfa.org!not-for-mail From: alk@swifty.cfa.org (Tony Kimball) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Date: 20 Sep 1995 11:55:20 -0500 Organization: Comunicating for America Network Services, MN USA Lines: 1 Message-Id: <43ph1o$eno@swifty.cfa.org> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: swifty.cfa.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3674 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37118 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant? and when I EXIT back to kermit, the > connection is cut off. > > Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this. ----------- Good grief. No, there is no obvious "fix" since the problem is not directly a Kermit difficulty. When Kermit shells to DOS it detaches from the serial port, and perhaps your Toshiba and/or the internal modem is doing a power-save operation that yields the strange behavior. Some internal modems are known to have bizarre side effects when their serial port is programmed, and there is nothing much more that we can do to avoid such situations (they depend on the precise model and so on). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 12:24:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:24:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:24:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie questions Date: 21 Sep 1995 12:24:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 181 Message-Id: <43rlif$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43pe7u$q4g@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pe7u$q4g@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: >I have just started using Kermit and really know very little about it. > The best way to learn is from the manuals, listed at the end of this message. >There >are some things I need to do from a UNIX machine, but I don't know how. So, >here are my questions. I would appreciate any help and/or the faq location. > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt >I know how to initiate a file transfer using Kermit for Unix, but I need to >suppress the progress screen Kermit puts up. Any idea how to do that? > Depending on which Kermit program you are talking about, it would be SET FILE DISPLAY NONE or SET DISPLAY QUIET. >Also, how do I initiate a dos command from the UNIX side via Kermit? > Read about APC in the .UPD file that comes with the current version of MS-DOS Kermit (3.14) or C-Kermit (5A(190)). >I have a c program running under UNIX 4.2 and need to get a listing of >the files in a specified directory on a DOS machine (which is connected >via a serial line to the UNIX system). That listing of files needs then >to be transfered to the UNIX machine. > Here's one way: MS-Kermit> set term apc unchecked MS-Kermit> connect C-Kermit> def xx apc dir *.* > x.tmp, apc server, get x.tmp, fin C-Kermit> xx - Frank KERMIT BOOK LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. 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DM 79,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. Also available from 45 rue Henri de Regnier Columbia University, F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE same price as English edition. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax +33 39 02 39 71 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 (End) From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!not-for-mail From: hdelien@telerama.lm.com (knight) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for IBM AS400 Date: 20 Sep 1995 10:58:23 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400. Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available. I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it though. Thanks, in advance. -- / / / | "Peace! Live it or rest in it" /__ __/ __ / . __ ,_ | hdelien is Knight Watchman / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / | hdelien@telerama.lm.com / / /_/ /_ / / /_ / / | http://www.lm.com/~hdelien From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 04:21:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep21.102146.61788@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Sep 95 10:21:46 MDT References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > : SET PRINTER > : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" > > Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. ---------- Indeed, you are correct Clarence. I'll have to have a word with the guy (me) who wrote the response above and the code. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 14:43:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:20:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:20:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit: invoking script Date: 20 Sep 1995 14:43:27 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43p9af$1b9@sloth.swcp.com> References: <43n89b$c5k@sanews1.morgan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Raj Venkataraman (venkar@morgan) wrote: : Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file : transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun : workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I : would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is : done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument. The gurus may understand your question as it stands, but I am a bit lost. Which version(s) of Kermit are you using? Which machine is receiving the file? Which machine do you want to run the script? Is there already a script directing the file transfer? If so, can it simply continue to do what you want next? -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:34:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:20:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:19:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PUSHing to DOS with MSK 3.14 Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:34:08 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43pc9g$g7s@bug.rahul.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Risto A Karola (rak@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote: : I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a : problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps: Disable power-saving options for the modem. When you "push" to DOS, Kermit gives up the modem. When the modem is not in use, a power save option on a laptop might choose to turn off the modem. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:35:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:25:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:25:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:35:42 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 Message-Id: <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : SET PRINTER : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 12:52:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:41:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:41:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep21.085225.1603@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 21 Sep 95 08:52:25 -0400 References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes: > > I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture > a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log > file. > > I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it > in a fle. > > Apologies if this is a FAQ. > it sorta is, but it's not obvious... SET PRINTER FILENAME, where you say the filename, no, type it... rather than log session, use: CONTROL-PRINTSCREEN to start logging via the vt100 autoprint, thus autoprinting into the file, only completed lines are logged, thus stripping the ansi sequences.. thanks to Joe D for his help to me on this.. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 15:51:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:24:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:24:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 21 Sep 1995 15:51:14 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 22 Message-Id: <43s1li$6l9@sloth.swcp.com> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : : SET PRINTER : : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" : Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) I, too, found CTRL-PrintScreen works better. The other method, editing a "start printer" sequence into the session log and replaying the log file, works better if you put a "stop printer" sequence (change 5 to 4 in the code) at the end. Otherwise, MSKermit complains that the printer is not ready. Unfortunately, neither method works with the gopher server I tried it on, because it erases the screen before writing each page, and nothing scrolls off the screen into the printer file. I had to resort to screen dumps and heavy editing :-( -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 00:15:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:15:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:15:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Date: 22 Sep 1995 00:15:14 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 7 Message-Id: <43sv6i$dor@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> <43ph1o$eno@swifty.cfa.org> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3684 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37128 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tony Kimball says: |Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant? The aforementioned cslipper.exe, part of the slippr15.zip found on all the big archive sites, is 16550 aware as of v1.1. -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 00:28:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:28:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:28:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for IBM AS400 Date: 22 Sep 1995 00:28:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43svvj$ebl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com>, knight wrote: : I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400. : Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available. : I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it : though. : I contend that the AS/400 is unprogrammable. If it were not, surely someone would have written a Kermit program for it by now. Does anybody care to prove me wrong? :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 19:43:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:07:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:07:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.stanford.edu!fahn From: fahn@nntp.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cannot set speed Date: 21 Sep 1995 19:43:09 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: arcata.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE is properly set). Any ideas? Thanks, Paul From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 07:31:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:09:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:09:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep20.133131.61723@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 13:31:31 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) writes: > In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >> So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems >>in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or >>not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there >>(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). >> Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? >> Joe D. > > Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a > VMS system using CMU/IP. I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as > an unsolved issue. It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity. > > JamesS --------- I don't think we will know unless someone has CMU's TCP/IP running and a TCP/IP packet capture facility handy. MSK does not hang here, which includes VMS with TGV's Multinet on my MicroVax and on Alphas (not mine, sigh), Unix boxes of various kinds (none Linux), and so on. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 07:28:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:13:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:13:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command Message-Id: <1995Sep20.132829.61722@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 13:28:29 MDT References: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a > Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. > Thanks, > David Stow -------------- The easiest solution is to "upgrade to the current release", which is v3.14. Lots of dialing scripting has been done for you there. Please see a nearby message from Frank da Cruz on ftp-ing to kermit.columbia.edu for the quick start kit binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 12:44:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:44:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:44:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cannot set speed Date: 22 Sep 1995 12:44:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <43ub3i$l4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, Paul Fahn wrote: >In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I >get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this >message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE >is properly set). Any ideas? > As explained in the manual, you can only change the speed of an external (e.g. dialout) line. You can't change the speed of your job's controlling terminal. If you really want to do the latter, issue the appropriate system command (stty, SET TERMINAL, etc) prior to starting Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 16:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:25:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Assorted Problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:42:15 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung. If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without physically disconnecting the phone line. The "hangup" command doesn't cut it. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook? As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close C-Kermit. Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit," but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat. The only way out of this problem seems to be to reboot. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 19:53:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:53:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:53:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assorted Problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Date: 22 Sep 1995 19:53:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <43v47n$c67@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file >transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung. > >If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other >irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without >physically disconnecting the phone line. The "hangup" command doesn't >cut it. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I >be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook? This is not a Kermit problem but a modem configuration issue. Configure your modem to drop hangup when DTR drops. >As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close >C-Kermit. Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit," >but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when >I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat. The only way out of >this problem seems to be to reboot. If an OS/2 program hangs because it has failed in a device driver call, i.e. the device driver never returns, OS/2 will not terminate the program because doing so would destabalize the rest of the system. The problem is in your Device Driver. If you are using the one that shipped with your version of OS/2 and have not applied service packs, do so. If you are using an alternate driver, contact the author and make sure you are using the latest version. Most driver hangs on ISA machines are caused by interrupt conflicts. Make sure that your Serial port IRQs are not also being used by Sound Boards, network cards, scsi cards, etc. >What am I doing wrong? > >Thanks, >Andy >-- >Andrew J. Korty >Systems Programmer >Physics Computer Network >Purdue University Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 23 06:53:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:26:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:26:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.wis.com!glasrud From: Politics@usa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Proposed State & Federal Regulations for the INTERNET! Date: 23 Sep 1995 06:53:37 GMT Organization: Wisconsin Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-Id: <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: squeaky.free.org Originator: Politics@usa.com Originator: glasrud@squeaky.free.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My name is Scott Glasrud, and I am running for the New Mexico State Senate during the 1996 elections. One of the reasons I have chosen to run is to combat the proposed state and federal regulations of the Internet. As you know, the Internet was never designed to be regulated! It was designed to allow communications in the event of anuclear war or a major catastrophe. I OPPOSE REGULATION, and if elected will fight to preserve your constitutional rights. HOWEVER, I NEED YOUR HELP! I am asking each person who reeives this message to send $5.00 to the Scott Glasrud Campaign Committee. If we pull together, we CAN protect our first amendment rights! HELP ME show the politicians the POWER behind this important NETWORK. 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From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 24 11:13:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:43:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:43:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 24 Sep 1995 11:13:54 GMT From: Politics@usa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950924.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:21:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:08:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 06:21:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:21:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A >quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp) Seth From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 24 17:39:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:09:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 06:06:22 -0400 Control: cancel <440ath57@newsie.wis.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!bonkers.taronga.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Politics@usa.com Subject: cmsg cancel <440ath57@newsie.wis.com> Approved: Politics@usa.com Followup-To: poster Reply-To: cancelbot@taronga.com Sender: Politics@usa.com Organization: Taronga Park BBS X-Cancelled-By: cancelbot@taronga.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:39:27 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by cancelbot@taronga.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 13:57:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:11:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:11:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!decuac.dec.com!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using kermit 191 in server mode under OS/2 Date: 25 Sep 1995 13:57:13 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines. In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server" I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address) and then ntohing further. What can I do? Thanks, Jayant Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 18:13:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit 191 in server mode under OS/2 Date: 25 Sep 1995 18:13:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <446rgj$av4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: >I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I >also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines. >In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like >Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server" >I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address) >and then ntohing further. What can I do? The documentation says: place one of the kermits in incoming mode: SET NETWORK TCP SET HOST *: Then you can issue the SERVER command --- On the other Kermit, SET NETWORK TCP SET HOST : Then you can issue Kermit Server commands. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 04:31:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:52:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problemnext Message-Id: <1995Sep25.103124.61988@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 10:31:24 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A >>quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. > > I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software > to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp) -------------- A quick free tool is to use the Cyrnwr Collection of Packet Drivers programs TRACE and DUMP. TRACE is a TSR with a 50+KB packet buffer and sits on top of a Packet Driver. Run as TRACE 0x60 50000 (or equiv), run Kermit, exit Kermit, say EXIT to DOS to terminate TRACE. 50KB of buffer does not last long at all. The binary output file is trace.out. DUMP reads that file and sends the ASCII rendition to stdout, so redirect it to a file. These programs are widely available, such as on kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 01:17:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:23:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:23:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!storm!lakeheadu.ca!Lakehead.user From: Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Message-Id: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> Date: 26 Sep 1995 01:17:24 GMT Sender: news@storm.LakeheadU.Ca Organization: Lakehead University Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, Patrick Cholin Programmer/Analyst Lakehead University e-mail occpat@rowdi.lakeheadu.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 17:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:06:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:06:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Message-Id: <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 23:22:19 MDT References: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes: > Greetings, > > I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem > has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, > and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. > When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not > exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from > the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while > running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of > control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of > the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the > template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that > this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort > of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, --------------- How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file? More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings. Here is what my MicroVAX shows for MSK v3.14 setup as VT100: $ sh term Terminal: _NTY1: Device_Type: VT100 Owner: JRD Remote Port Info: jrd.usu.edu Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 Terminal Characteristics: Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape Hostsync TTsync Lowercase Tab Wrap Scope Remote No Eightbit Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup No Modem No Local_echo Autobaud Hangup No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd No Set_speed Line Editing Insert editing No Fallback No Dialup No Secure server Disconnect No Pasthru No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer Port Numeric Keypad ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode No Advanced_video No Edit_mode DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 $ Notice that VMS properly understands that a VT100 is a 7-bit device ("No Eightbit") and to echo for us ("Echo"). and it's a DEC_CRT old device (a 100 level and below). This is an Ethernet connection (Telnet). The above is a good starting point for you to decode your environment. To do more we would need to know more about your situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 05:46:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:04:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:04:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: christmn@cyberport.net (Richard Christman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sending AT commands with Kermit...? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:46:41 GMT Organization: Cyberport Montana. Lines: 27 Message-Id: <44843c$rua@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi all, some time back i ask about how one would send AT commands to a modem using kermit. i received the instructions: set line /dev/tty set carrier off connect then type AT commands to my hearts content :) you know what, i get an immediate disconnect after connect... C-Kermit>set line /dev/ttyA14 C-Kermit>set carrier off C-Kermit>connect Connecting to /dev/ttyA14, speed 19200. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect (Back at cpmt2.cyberport.net) C-Kermit> what am i doing wrong? tia richard From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 18:33:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:50:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1995 18:33:08 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 38 Message-Id: <449h14$aaa@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes: >> Greetings, >> >> I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem >> has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, >> and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. >> When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not >> exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from >> the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while >> running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of >> control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of >> the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the >> template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that >> this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort >> of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, >--------------- > How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection >or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such >as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file? > More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone >has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings. Good suggestion; but I'd also check the flow control if a serial connection is being used. In particular, if you didn't carry over your old flow control settings into the new MSCUSTOM.INI when you upgraded then you lost whatever flow control settings you had made there. If you're directly connectedd to a multiplexer inside the uVax, you almost certainly want to be sure that XON/XOFF is chosen in MS-Kermit. On a terminal server, check what sort of flow control the server is expecting (a SHOW PORT works on many Xyplex-like servers) and be sure that MS-Kermit matches that. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 18:20:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:40:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:40:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Function keys w/ ANSI emulation and MSK Date: 26 Sep 1995 18:20:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 27 Message-Id: <449g9g$jbf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is the continuing saga of the problem reported yesterday with "ANSI" graphics not displaying correctly. I think this approach may solve the problem better. Using the ANSI terminal emulation allows me to see my screens on my Xenix box ok. But now I cannot for the life of me get the F-keys to work. It seems, for example, that ^[V (Esc-V, it would seem) is what F10 should be (is this right? I've only used VT100's, where it's Esc-0). Scan code for F10 is \324, so I tried set key \324 \{27}V and various other versions to get my Foxbase app on my Xenix box to admit that this was F10. No way; had to kill my Foxbase app from console (F10 is Exit in this application!) I tried the \K-verbs that looked at all likely or plausible (PF10, decF10, etc ... I don't have MSK in front of me right now, so bear with me). Is there a "standard" keymapping problem with F keys? This app also uses F5, F6, ..., F10 and none of these work. Thanks! Clark -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 18:30:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:49:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ANSI graphics not displaying right Date: 25 Sep 1995 18:30:21 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 36 Message-Id: <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ] [ Author was Clark Gaylord ] [ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ] I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix box (2.3.4). The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a large foxbase application. I cannot get the ansi screens to display right and the function keys to work right at the same time. The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50; I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky) with Ansi. But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters do not display correctly. The wierd thing is that the graphics are fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably stripping the high bit). I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs 8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc. Any tips would be appreciated. P.S. The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is doing Wyse emulation. -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:54:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:27:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:27:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI graphics not displaying right Message-Id: <1995Sep25.165417.62010@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 16:54:17 MDT References: <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: > [ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ] > [ Author was Clark Gaylord ] > [ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ] > > I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix > box (2.3.4). The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a > large foxbase application. I cannot get the ansi screens to display > right and the function keys to work right at the same time. > > The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50; > I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky) > with Ansi. But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters > do not display correctly. The wierd thing is that the graphics are > fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the > foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably > stripping the high bit). I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs > 8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > P.S. The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is > doing Wyse emulation. ------------ Well, I guess the obvious thing to say is the Xenix system is using one kind of terminal emulation and Kermit is using another. It's best to remember that Wyse terminals, taken as a group, tend to emulate many previous terminals of times gone bye so the termcap entries tend to be rather loose and varied. MSK emulates a native Wyse50 rather than the many older variety. The other comment is "ANSI" graphics is almost a non-operative word describing character sets. MSK matches up the native Wyse50 with the inherent PC display adapter as best that it can so there will be some differences. Something more specific than "ANSI" graphics might help pin down the problem, as would a SESSION.LOG file (uuencoded for mailing, thanks) for replaying here with your advice on what's wrong. Finally, you may want to have a word with the Xenix machine and discover what it thinks it is doing. I don't have any Xenix facility to test with, so we are reliant upon yours to dope out the situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 04:51:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:29:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:29:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: clau@clark.net (David Clausen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 27 Sep 1995 04:51:04 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection. What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client, sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron. My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests from the UNIX host? I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about MS-DOS Kermit. Thanks so much! Dave Clausen clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 13:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:59:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:59:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Message-Id: <1995Sep27.191359.62187@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 19:13:59 MDT References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is > : discussed in the documentation. > : When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an > : oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, > : and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. > : Joe D. > > Joe, thanks for your response! > > When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an > MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. > > Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or > UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, > which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK > will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would > seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a > direct null-modem cable). That's pretty much speculation, and I would recommend you put matters to the test. Don't forget that you can tune cpu allocation for a DOS box. Just as a matter of technical interest, MSK does not sit and poll the serial port hardware for things to do, and it releases cpu time slices when it's not busy. That makes MSK gentle on Windows, NT, OS/2, DESQview. MSK continues to run happily when its Windows icon is the only part showing. I'll skip listing features of interest in Kermit which are not in most other comms programs. Joe D. > If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, > I would love to hear them. > > Dave Clausen > clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 14:43:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:43:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:43:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digex.net!cablew.com!VMAZIN.ENG.CWC.COM From: vlad.mazin@cwi.cablew.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code for CKO191.ZIP Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:40:46 Organization: Cable and Wireless Lines: 5 Message-Id: <44ec7d$o65@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 146.135.128.110 X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where to get the source code for the latest OS/2 version of C-Kermit? CKO191.ZIP does not include the source. TIA, Vlad From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 15:47:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:42:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Escape-Code Problem Date: 26 Sep 1995 15:47:17 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back" to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape sequences for cursors keys (e.g. [B for cursord-down). Now this software (yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around this problem? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 19:36:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:26:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!news.inetnebr.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Send" command problems Date: 28 Sep 1995 19:36:16 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 26 Message-Id: <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet1.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX server... Q: What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will not transfer a file to a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC? The send process works with non-capitialized directories thou. I have experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty. Any thoughts would be welcomed! Examples: (1) send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This process fails... (2) send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc --> This process works!! (3) get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc --> This process works!! Side Notes: What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX subdirectories and will try to recreate a that directory with the specified name given... Example: send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This will try to create a directory on the UNIX system starting with /test/level1/chad.doc From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 02:13:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Escape-Code Problem Message-Id: <1995Sep27.081350.62112@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 08:13:50 MDT References: <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes > the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back" > to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape > sequences for cursors keys (e.g. [B for cursord-down). Now this software > (yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape > and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via > the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have > the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will > send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this > is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the > escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around > this problem? ---------- Kermit for which operating system and machine?? MS-DOS Kermit does group bytes corresponding to single key presses. Please do note that TCP/IP Telnet full duplex connections have no concept of records and unit delivery; it's a data stream. IP packets hold as much as the protocol stack wants to send at that time and the time between packets is not tied to the data. The Emacs-like ESC versus escape sequence timing gimmick fails on long distance links because timing is not tightly controlled. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 02:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Message-Id: <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 08:17:52 MDT References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes: > Hello! I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a > UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection. > > What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client, > sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron. > > My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, > sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests > from the UNIX host? MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is discussed in the documentation. When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. Joe D. > I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about > MS-DOS Kermit. > > Thanks so much! > Dave Clausen > clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 23:01:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:55:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:54:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: IBM ThinkPad & PCMCIA card & Kermit Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:01:49 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: bhuber@netcom3.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas? The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz. Symptoms is system lockup. -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 15:38:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Send" command problems Date: 29 Sep 1995 15:38:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <44h3u3$87u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net>, wrote: : "Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX : server... : : Q: What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will : not transfer a file to a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC? The : send process works with non-capitialized directories thou. I have : experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX : subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty. Any thoughts would : be welcomed! : : Examples: : : (1) send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This process fails... : Tell C-Kermit to "set file names literal" and "set receive pathnames on". (make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190) or later) : (2) send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc --> This process works!! : : (3) get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc --> This process works!! : Good. : Side Notes: : : What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX : subdirectories and will try to recreate a that directory with the : specified name given... : set filenames literal. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 19:01:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:07:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: clau@clark.net (David Clausen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 27 Sep 1995 19:01:58 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 25 Message-Id: <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is : discussed in the documentation. : When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an : oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, : and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. : Joe D. Joe, thanks for your response! When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a direct null-modem cable). If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, I would love to hear them. Dave Clausen clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 12:45:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:50:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:50:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!post.demon.co.uk From: "Kevin J. G. Pugh" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Blast Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:45:17 GMT Organization: Helikon Computers Limited Lines: 22 Message-Id: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Gwyn@helikon.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: post.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Wednesday, Sep 27, 1995 12.45.17 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name suggests. I am trying to get hold of a copy. A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit version out there which goes p.d.q ?? Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. _________________________________ Nevik Tel/Fax: ++1926-435550 For the love of Humanity ... _________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 19:17:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:57:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:57:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!news.inetnebr.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Send" command Date: 28 Sep 1995 19:17:45 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 1 Message-Id: <44escp$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet1.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 14:10:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Blast Date: 30 Sep 1995 14:10:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>, Kevin J. G. Pugh wrote: : Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? : It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name : suggests. : It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol. : A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit : version out there which goes p.d.q ?? : Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain. It's protected by copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and then selling it. : Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. : The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 07:37:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:10:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:10:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell,uhawaii.network Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.hawaii.edu!uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu!mtom From: Michael Tom Subject: Telnet TermType using LWP5 TSU? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix4.its.hawaii.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:37:51 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3717 comp.sys.novell:92881 bit.listserv.novell:87200 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client over Novell LAN WorkPlace 5, how does one set the Telnet terminal type? My batch file essentially contains the following commands: telapi -sn1 -st1 tsu -o 128.171.44.54 k1 tsu -a k1 1 kermit set port bios1, connect I figure that I need to insert the command "tsu -f VT100", but what's the correct keyword for ? I've guessed at TERM, TERMTYPE, TERM-TYPE, TERMINAL, and TT with no luck. Our workaround is to set the terminal type after logging in to the UNIX host by issuing a "setenv TERM" command. Since this is running in a lab setting, though, it will save a lot of grief to just fix the TSU/Kermit startup commands rather than having hundreds of users adopt the setenv workaround. And it should be easy -- everything works fine if I run TSU in interactive mode to open and configure the Telnet session before running Kermit; I just need to know the equivalent batch-mode TSU commands. Thanks for any help! Michael Tom Academic Computing Coordinator Windward Community College From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 20:07:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:39:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:39:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 30 Sep 1995 15:07:16 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 41 Message-Id: <44k81k$4dn@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>, David Clausen wrote: >When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an >MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. > >Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or >UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, >which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK >will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would >seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a >direct null-modem cable). > >If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, >I would love to hear them. It will work to use either but if you care about performance you should consider an ethernet connection if the machines are in the same building. You can run the 'samba' file server on the unix host and Windows-for-Workgroups as a client and simply have the PC create the files transparently on the host's drive in the first place, or share the WFW drive and copy from the unix host with smbclient which is sort of like ftp. Or use any of the usual tcp/ip tools to move files. If you really have to use a serial connection you could still use one of the slip/ppp winsock interfaces like trumpet and use the tcp/ip tools. You can't use WFW/samba over trumpet, but you could do it with Win95 and its slip/ppp connection. The advantage of going this route is that you can switch to a network connection with no change except speed. And with either the slip or network link you get access to all the other machines on the network, not just the one at the end of the serial line, and you can use it from the other windows sessions as well. I think you can run the Windows version of UUPC over tcp/ip on the winsock link (along with other things). Unfortunately you can't do that with kermit so if you start that way you'll have to change to go with a networked Windows 3.11 system. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 00:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:08:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:08:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Blast Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:56:38 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-Id: <44kp06$2au@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp3-15.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Sat Sep 30 5:56:38 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>, >Kevin J. G. Pugh wrote: >: Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? >: It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name >: suggests. >: >It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol. > >: A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit >: version out there which goes p.d.q ?? >: >Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain. It's protected by >copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and then >selling it. > >: Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. >: >The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ. > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ > >- Frank We tried Blast a long while back, It has versions for VAX/VMS, Xenix, SCO, interactive, System V and a DOS version. The box says its from US Robotics (communications research div.). It does lot of things but costs more than real kermit. -Sol From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 22:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:35:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:35:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Have rz v1.21 and sz v1.31 - Where can I find newer ones? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:09:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net> Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net>, Milton Baucom wrote: >I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190. Where >can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit? > >Thanks The most recent rz/sz that can work with Kermit are available in the ZMODEM Developer's Collection. Check www.omen.com for more info. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 11:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:20:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:20:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!io.UWinnipeg.ca!clark From: Jim Clark Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Push Command Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:51:43 -0500 Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 23 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. Thanks Jim **************************************************************************** James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A CANADA **************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 18:30:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command Date: 1 Oct 1995 18:30:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <44mmoa$8p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark wrote: >Hi > >Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the >shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was >Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. >Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I >control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a >new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that >most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new >process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other >programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. Jim, the solution is extremely easy. Respecify the COMSPEC environment variable to point to the program you wish to use as your SHELL. Then MS-DOS Kermit or any other for that matter which supports the PUSH command will start that process instead of the standard COMMAND.COM shell. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 03:07:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:02:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad & PCMCIA card & Kermit Message-Id: <1995Sep28.090727.62206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Sep 95 09:07:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) writes: > Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above > mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the > PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas? > > The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz. > > Symptoms is system lockup. --------- Probable cause is mismatch between pcmcia hardware and the drivers for same; it's endemic to the scheme. I've installed Kermit on a Thinkpad a couple of years ago with no trouble, but that's a whole computer generation in the past. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 10:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command Message-Id: <1995Oct1.162401.62433@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 16:24:01 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark writes: > Hi > > Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the > shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was > Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. > Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I > control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a > new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that > most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new > process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other > programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. When Kermit "shells to DOS" it invokes the currently identified command processor, named in DOS Environment line SHELL=. If the line does not exist (as is the default on DOS machines) it uses the COMSPEC= Environment line. The latter is normally COMSPEC=c:\dos\command.com. Please see release doc file kermit.bwr, and search on occurences of keyword SHELL. Kermit has no way of knowing how it got invoked. Since DOS is not a multitasking o/s, as we all know, Kermit's only choice is to invoke that command processor in such a way that Kermit regains control when the processor and its successors complete. The SHELL= line gives the user control of which command process will be invoked as Kermit "shells" to it. Joe D. > > Thanks > Jim > > **************************************************************************** > James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 > Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax > University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca > Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A > CANADA > **************************************************************************** > From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 10:11:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 16:11:12 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > Hi, > > Our environment: > > a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows > b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI > > In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to > our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm. > > In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection > works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message > > ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. > > I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition > of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message. > > Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file, > we have: > > Define PORT - > > {following the FAQ} One wonders why, under Windows, you have these present at all. Presumably (and here others can lend helpful insight) Windows will simulate COM1..4 if it knows they exist and their port/IRQ values. Also, please have a look at the Kermit release notes, if you haven't done so recently, on the discussion of what is meant by COM1. It is NOT a particular port/IRQ value pair. > > PORT 1 > SET SPEED 9600 > etc > > Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the > warning about an undefined port. > > Any ideas? Simply put, Kermit can't verify the serial port. Under Windows, which simulates that hardware, it can mean something else is using the port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. Joe D. > Thanks > > Robert > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | > | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | > | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 22:56:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:29:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:29:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!muir.math.niu.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I need help with Kermit. Date: 1 Oct 1995 22:56:10 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 30 Message-Id: <44n6aa$4qh@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <44j0lo$4rn@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44j0lo$4rn@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca>, Duc Le wrote: >Hello, > > I am trying to connect my PC, and SUN SPARCstation 5 thru serial ports, and >using kermit for file transfer. The kermit version on the SUN is C-Kermit 5A, >and the PC version is MS-Kermit (very old version). With the proper parameters >set, I can't get it connect, and send/receive file. > > Here are what I set: > SUN PC > --- -- > set line /dev/ttya set port com2 > set parity none set parity none > set terminal bytesize 8 > set speed 9600 set baud 9600 > > Here are my questions: > >a) Where can I get the lastest version of Kermit run on PC. Anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory /kermit/archives, file msvibm.zip. >b) What I am missing? I have the serial cable directly connect the 2 computers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If I assume that "direct" means "not a null modem cable", then this is your problem. You need a null modem cable. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 13:54:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:19:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work Message-Id: <1995Oct1.195432.62440@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 19:54:32 MDT References: <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes: > Hello :) > > I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the > old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit. > I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine. What happens is it works > fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen > but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt). I know the phone line is > pluged in because Comit works. I've tried setting to diffrent ports > but the only port Kermit accepts is port 1. I've included part of > the Kermit.ini and some settings that appear on Comit in this letter. > Any advice would be appricated. Thanks. > > Please email me @ peterk@csd.uwm.edu > Thanks, > Pete ----------------- Pete, At the very end of your message, shown below, is the key to your puzzle. The serial port hardware is at port 0x3e8 and IRQ 5. Please do read the release notes which are packaged with MS-DOS Kermit and discover how serial ports are identified. IRQ 5 is not a conventional value at all, and COM2 does NOT, repeat not, mean a specific hardware port either. The solution is to tell Kermit the parameters of your non-standard serial port, via command SET COMx port irq where the "x" is a digit 1..4. It's in the manual. Joe D. > > > comment ** 1200 - No Parity - COM1 ** > comment ** for use on CSD4 Unix BSD 4.3 GNU Emacs ** > comment Kermit.Ini for V2.30 for Emacs > comment 10/20/88 > > set terminal vt102 ;DEC vt102 terminal wmulation > set port com2 ;serial port > set speed 1200 ;PACX > set parity none ;needed for C-Kermit transfers, change to > set receive Packet-length 900 ; > set Default-disk b: ; > set send Packet-length 900 ; > space for > ;Sperry 1100 transfers > > set warning on ;warn if files will be overwritten > set mode-line on ;turn on status line at bottom of screen > > **************************************************************** > Comit settings > > Port COM3 IRQ5 03E8 > > Init ATS0 = 0Q0v1x4&C1&D2 > From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 14:16:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:57:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work Message-Id: <1995Oct1.201618.62441@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 20:16:18 MDT References: <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 351 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes: > Hello :) > > I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the > old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit. > I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine. What happens is it works > fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen > but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt). I know the phone line is ------------ Making a followup on the matter, in case others have not taken the opporunity to read KERMIT.BWR in the MSK distribution material. Below is a clipping from that interesting file: Joe D. ---------- (6.2) HOW A PHYSICAL COMMUNICATION PORT IS ASSOCIATED WITH A DOS COMn DEVICE DOS PCs support only two communication ports, COM1 and COM2, but have provisions for two more, COM3 and COM4. COM3 and COM4 are not well supported in most types of PCs, as are COM1 and COM2 which rarely (by themselves) cause any problems (note: this last phrase is becoming increasingly less true as PCs are loaded up with additional devices such as CDROM drives, sound boards, etc). This discussion considers only COM1-COM4. The digit in the port name (like the "2" in COM2) is an index into an area in memory that contains the address of the serial port hardware. The PC's Basic Input/Ouput System (BIOS) has four words starting at segment 40 (hexadecimal), word 0, for the addresses of the first four COM ports. Word 0 is for COM1, word 2 (two bytes per word) for COM2, word 4 COM3, and word 6 COM4. To view: C:\> debug (start the debug program) -d 40:0 (display segment 40) -q (quit the debug program) ("C:\>" is the DOS prompt, "-" is the debug prompt.) Here are the results on a PS/2 with 3 COM ports: 0040:0000 F8 03 F8 02 20 32 00 00-BC 03 00 00 00 00 60 03 .... 2........`. ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ COM1 COM2 COM3 COM4 The first line contains the COM port information (ignore the other lines, as well as the characters on the right). "F8 03" is the 2-byte COM1 address, expressed in hexadecimal (base 16) with the low byte first. Thus the actual COM1 address is 03F8 hex, expressed in Kermit commands as \x3f8. The COM2 address is 02F8, the COM3 address is 3220, and (since there is no COM4) the COM4 address is 0000. That is how both DOS and the BIOS understand which ports are defined and where to find them. When your PC is powered up, the BIOS startup code checks for serial port hardware (that is, a Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter, or UART) at the two port addresses 03F8 and 02F8. If it finds a UART at the first address then that address is placed in word 40:0 and declared to be COM1. Then the BIOS tries the second address and if successful this address goes into the first available word at that time, typically 40:2 as the address of COM2. Thus if you remove a COM1 device then a previously COM2 device will appear in the COM1 BIOS storage area as COM1 to DOS and Kermit. What happens to the other two words depends on the PC model and BIOS. The IBM PS/2 BIOS fills in all four words on startup, but most others handle only the first two because that's how original PCs worked. So... just setting switches or jumpers on a serial port board or internal modem does NOT necessarily define the board to be a particular COM port. So why do some communication programs work with COM3 and COM4 without any special fiddling? These programs ASSUME certain COM3 and COM4 addresses, even when there are no entries in the BIOS communication-port area. Some of these programs show you their assumptions in a menu (and might allow you to change them), others do not. The assumed values are usually as follows: Port Assumed Address (hexadecimal) COM1 03F8 COM2 02F8 COM3 03E8 COM4 02E8 PS/2s use different addresses for COM3 and COM4 -- 3220 and 3228, respectively. Well-behaved communication software (like Kermit) uses these addresses rather than the defaults listed above. Ill-behaved software ignores the segment-40 addresses and erroneously uses its own values, right or wrong. Unchecked use of an assumed port address is DANGEROUS if the device is not really where the software expects, especially if some other kind of device, say a network adapter, is at the given address. It can also produce unwanted conflicts under Windows, OS/2, and DesqView, whose drivers often set the port's segment-40 word to 0 when they want to use the port exclusively and without interference, and then restore the real address when done, and similar unwanted interference with Int 14H redirectors that allow serial-port communication software to be used on network connections. Unlike most other PC communication software, Kermit does NOT attempt to use a communications port unless: (a) It finds its address in the BIOS comm-port area, segment 40, or: (b) You specify the address yourself. AND: The device at the given address passes certain tests, in which registers must contain certain values that are legitimate for a UART. In other words, KERMIT IS MORE CAREFUL than most other communication software, because does not want to risk disrupting normal operation of your PC. (6.3) SPECIFYING THE PORT ADDRESS If you tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT COMn (where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4), and Kermit responds: Warning, no hardware for this serial port. This port will be operated through the BIOS as BIOSn it means that Kermit did not find an address for the port in the BIOS area or it did find one but the hardware at that address did not look like a UART. If the cause of the message is a missing address, you can tell MS-DOS Kermit the address of the port by issuing the following command: SET COMn \xhhhh where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4, and hhhh are four hexadecimal digits (0-9, A-F) representing the 16-bit address. This command not only informs Kermit of the address, but also inserts the address into the BIOS so other programs can find the port (if they follow the rules), and so you don't have to give this command to Kermit again until after the next time you reboot, unless another program removes it again. After giving the SET COMn command, give a SET PORT COMn command for the same port, e.g.: set com3 \x3e8 ; FIRST specify the address of COM3 set port com3 ; THEN select COM3 How do you know what addresses to give? If have purchased an internal modem or an add-on serial port, the installation instructions should tell you. You have to make sure that the address that you have chosen agrees with the address that Kermit will use. Although it is not recommended that you guess at address values, sometimes it is the only way (as often with inherited equipment), for which occasions here is a list of commonly used addresses: Port Likely Addresses (hexadecimal) COM1 03F8 COM2 02F8 COM3 03E8, 3220 (PS/2) COM4 02E8, 3228 (PS/2), 02E0 Now let's look at the other cause for "This port will be operated through the BIOS", namely that an address was found in segment 40, but the device at that address does not appear to be a genuine serial port. Possible explanations: 1. The device is at a different address. Check your device's configuration again, or your SET COMn command. 2. Your device is indeed at the given address, but its registers do not contain values expected of a true PC serial port. In that case, BIOS operation is the only alternative. 3. Your device is at the given address, but there is a conflict with another device at that address or the machine's bus speed (not CPU speed) is set so high that the hardware test gave confusing results. When Kermit operates a port through the BIOS, rather than directly, it will be MUCH slower and might not work at all because the BIOS requires the CD, CTS, and DSR modem signals to be asserted by the device connected to the port (and the CD signal is normally NOT asserted by a modem before it has made a connection to another modem). In that case, you must configure the device (e.g. modem) to assert DSR, CTS, and CD always, or wire your modem cable to fake these signals (e.g. by connecting CD and DSR together). Assuming you have found the right address for your COM3 or COM4 port (or nonstandard address for COM1 or COM2), and you want these addresses to be set correctly for Kermit at all times, even if it doesn't read its initialization file, you can put a command like the following in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file: set kermit=com3 \x3e8; com4 \x2e8; (6.4) INTERRUPTS AND IRQS "I can send characters to the modem, but I never see any on my screen." This complaint, also known as "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome", usually means that the communication device was found at the expected address, but Kermit's idea of its interrupt is wrong. What's an interrupt? To achieve high-speed communication without impacting other applications, Kermit reads characters from a serial device using "interrupts". Whenever a character arrives at the serial device, the device sends a signal, called an interrupt, that can be "caught" by applications like Kermit, leaving the application free to do other work in the meantime without having to constantly look at the serial port to see if any characters have arrived (an operation called "polling", which is used by some other communications programs). Polling programs are not sensitive to interrupts being set improperly and might therefore work with improperly-configured machines where Kermit will not (until you give it the required info), but they also tend to take over the entire computer. In contrast to polling programs, Kermit is normally waiting for input from the keyboard, so it's idle if you are not typing and no characters are arriving at the communication port. In multitasking environments like Windows or OS/2, this gives other applications the largest possible share of the CPU. When a character arrives at the port, an interrupt signals Kermit to wake up from its keyboard-wait state and read from the port. But Kermit needs to know which device the interrupt came from, so it will not read from the wrong one. The device is identified by an Interrupt Request (IRQ) number, a small number like 3 or 4. The BIOS does not record the IRQ number used by a serial port because the BIOS uses polling rather than interrupts. The communications software has to know which IRQ to use. By convention from the original IBM PC, COM1 uses IRQ 4 and COM2 uses IRQ 3. There is no standard for COM3 and above, but certain conventions are normally followed: Port PS/2 Others COM3 IRQ3 IRQ4 COM4 IRQ3 IRQ3 Certain serial port cards and internal modems allow themselves to be configured with different IRQ numbers (such as 9), even on COM1 or COM2. Check your device's installation instructions. Some types of PCs (PS/2s, for example) allow sharing of IRQ numbers. Each application has its own interrupt service routine and each such routine is built to "chain" interrupts properly (pass them along to other applications if they arrived at the wrong place). This works, for example, with Kermit on a PS/2; you can run two copies of Kermit under Windows, one using COM2/IRQ3 and the other using COM3/IRQ3 (i.e. two ports, same IRQ), both doing input and output simultaneously with no confusion. But on most types of PCs, IRQs can NOT be shared, so each device must have a unique IRQ number. This caution applies especially when you have a serial mouse on IRQ 3 or 4. Once Kermit knows the COM port's address, it tests to see which IRQ number, 3 or 4, the device uses. This is a safe test and doesn't cause any modem signaling or communication to take place. The PC architecture has a limited range of IRQ numbers available, and so (usually) there can not be a unique IRQ number for each serial port when there are more than two, so in most cases no more than two serial ports can be active at once. If the IRQ test fails, a default value is used, as listed above. No error message is given in this case, but "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome" is a likely result. Some add-on communication boards or internal modems are set up to use IRQ numbers other than 3 or 4 to avoid conflicts with COM1 or COM2 and/or to allow more than two COM ports to be active at once. But this can be dangerous -- for example, IRQ 5 (which is often used for this purpose) is also used by the hard disk controller on the PC/XT. IRQ 7 is often used by network boards. For this reason, Kermit does not automatically test any IRQ numbers other than 3 or 4, and does not use any other IRQ number unless you tell it to. But it is sometimes necessary, particularly on ISA (Industry Standard Architecture) bus machines (PC/ATs and compatibles) and earlier (such as PCs and XTs) to use an IRQ other than 3 or 4, for example when when an internal modem is installed as COM3 on IRQ4, and then use of COM1 prevents COM3 from working, and vice versa. This problem can often be solved by reconfiguring the board to use an otherwise unused unique IRQ number. Ideally this would be a normally free IRQ such as 10 or 11, but unfortunately most communication boards are not configurable for IRQs higher than 7. Here is a brief, and definitely not comprehensive, guide to the low IRQ numbers (decimal): 2 Normally available, but some video boards use it to obey an obsolete standard for indicating vertical refresh. Adjust video board jumpers to not do this. On 286's and above, IRQ 2 is also known as IRQ 9: same IRQ, alternate number. Windows 3.0 had difficulty with devices using IRQ 2, but Windows 3.1 is better. 3 Normally COM2 and COM4. PS/2's use IRQ 3 for all serial ports above COM1. IRQ3 is also a favorite "factory default" of many local area network (LAN) adapters. 4 Normally COM1 and informally COM3 (except on PS/2s). 5 Secondary parallel port. Parallel ports are rarely interrupt-driven (except for Novell RPRINTER users) so this IRQ becomes free if you unjumper it on the parallel port board. LAN adapters are often placed on IRQ 5. PC/XTs use IRQ 5 for the hard disk. Careful with this one. 6 Floppy disk drives. Leave it alone! 7 Primary parallel port. Remove as described for IRQ 5. Be careful, LAN adapters are frequently placed here. IRQs higher than 7 are not available on original PCs or PC/XTs. 9 Alias for IRQ 2 on PC/AT and above. Don't try to use this one as if it were a unique IRQ. 10 Usually free. 11 Usually free. 12 Used by the IBM bus mouse, otherwise usually free. 13 Math coprocessor errors are trapped here, otherwise frequently free. 14 Used by hard disk on 286 and above. Leave alone! 15 Some SCSI controllers use this. Usually free. If your communication board uses an IRQ other than 3 or 4 and you experience "can talk but not listen" syndrome when using Kermit, simply tell Kermit the device's IRQ number. This is done in the SET COMn command, after the address: SET COMn
for example: SET COM3 \x03e8 5 When you include a number (like 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7) after the port address (separated by a space), Kermit skips its IRQ test and uses the IRQ number you specified the next time you give a SET PORT command for that port. AVOID address and IRQ conflicts; these items MUST NOT overlap existing equipment. SERIOUS DAMAGE can result if, for example, the IRQ number you give is the same as the one used by your disk controller or network adapter. Incorrect operation can result if the interrupt is in use by a less critical device, such as a mouse. It is necessary to specify the IRQ number in either of these two situations: 1. The communication device uses an IRQ number other than 3 or 4. 2. Kermit's IRQ test interferes with Windows or a similar environment. Check your PC's configuration carefully before specifying an IRQ number. Before starting Kermit, you can use public domain or commercial utilities like MAPMEM, Northgate QAPLUS, Quarterdeck MFT, or the MSD utility shipped with Windows 3.1 to get an idea of which IRQ numbers are already in use (these utilities are, of course, not foolproof -- for example, they can't tell what IRQs are used by programs that are not presently loaded). (NOTE: Run these programs under DOS, not Windows, if possible, since Windows hides things.) If, even after establishing the device's interrupt, Kermit still fails to operate correctly, check whether: 1. Some other device (such as a mouse or LAN adapter) is generating the same interrupt. 2. Some other software (such as a mouse or video driver) is catching the same interrupt. If you find a conflict, you'll have to resolve it: remove the offending device driver or TSR from your CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT file or turn it off temporarily (e.g. with the MOUSE OFF command for certain mouse drivers) or reconfigure one of the conflicting devices to use a different IRQ. Example: A PC (not PS/2) is delivered with a serial mouse on COM1 and with COM2 as a free serial port. COM2 can be used with an external modem, but you can't put an internal modem on COM3 because its IRQ conflicts with the mouse and the COM4 address clashes with an 8514/A video adapter (such as the ATI Ultra+). Neither the mouse interrupt nor the video board address can be changed. So to install an internal modem, you must remove the serial mouse and driver and, if you need a mouse, replace it with a bus mouse. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 18:59:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:10:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Re: C-KERMIT with ALL-IN-1 on ALPHA AXP X-Nntp-Posting-Host: piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri Sep 29 14:59:02 1995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Computer Services - Ohio University References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:59:03 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:DFoJKo.F2@boss.cs.ohiou.edu Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote: > >We are attempting to use C-KERMIT through ALL-IN-1 V3.1 on ALPHA AXP >(VMS is 6.2). This is (190) and we tried the approach specified in >the CKVKER.BWR file, attributed to Dr. David Kelly. I suspect that >based on a VAX version of ALL-IN-1. I also tried to E-mail directly to Dr. Kelly, but the E-mail address given in the file is no longer usable. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 01:11:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 02:31:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 02:31:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!usenet From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Have rz v1.21 and sz v1.31 - Where can I find newer ones? Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 01:11:23 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net Lines: 9 Message-Id: <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190. Where can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit? Thanks MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:23:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:29:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:29:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:23:08 GMT Organization: Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 44 Message-Id: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Our environment: a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm. In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message. Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file, we have: Define PORT - {following the FAQ} PORT 1 SET SPEED 9600 etc Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the warning about an undefined port. Any ideas? Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 19:46:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:56:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:56:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:46:06 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago but I did not write down the information. thanks gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 13:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:03:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:01:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 3 Oct 1995 13:01:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <44rc6p$3t4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site >license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago >but I did not write down the information. > Site licensing information is in the Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/95.html The email address for the Kermit project is kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 20:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:24:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:24:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!usc!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.claremont.edu!usenet From: Jose Kirkland Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: If..then in mscustom.ini? Date: 2 Oct 1995 20:03:18 GMT Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 23 Message-Id: <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kafka.pitzer.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and perform a specific group of functions or not based upon that? (purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if not then normally... does this make sense?) Thanks for any help, Josefa Kirkland Novell/PC spec Pitzer College ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit determine which to select? From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 20:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:39:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: If..then in mscustom.ini? Date: 3 Oct 1995 16:39:26 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <44s71u$rpu@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>, Jose Kirkland wrote: : Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, : which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and : perform a specific group of functions or not based upon : that? : Yes. For example: if equal "\$(VARIABLENAME)" "blah" command... : (purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if : c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if : not then normally... does this make sense?) : if directory c:\net\bin command... : ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to : use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's : for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit : determine which to select? : kermit -f name-of-init-file or alternatively, within MSCUSTOM.INI, put IF's and GOTO's based on the value of an environment variable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 22:19:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:06:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:06:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!intex.net!news From: fuzz@intex.dfw.net (Walt Buehring) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 and Emacs meta key Date: 03 Oct 1995 17:19:52 -0500 Organization: Home on the Range Lines: 10 Sender: fuzz@intex.dfw.net Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: intex.intex.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for Emacs. That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth. And of course no Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics. The kermit web pages do not provide an answer - does anyone here know if this is possible? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 02:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:14:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:14:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: murphy@panix.com (Roy Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Won't Work for User Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:53:55 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 24 Message-Id: <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to check that uucp can write the lock file. The error messages are as follows: /home/roy$ kermit Error opening /dev/tty congm: Permission denied /usr/spool/uucp: permission denied Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1 ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX TIA for any assistance. -- Roy Murphy \ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence murphy@panix.com \ over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled" \ R.P. Feynman From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 14:06:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:06:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:06:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!sunbeam!faas From: "Jochen Faas (CS)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: source code for DOS based kermit Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:06:36 -0400 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sunbeam.eng.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: faas@sunbeam Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for the source code for DOS based kermit, any version. Any help would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 19:46:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:52:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:52:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:46:06 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago but I did not write down the information. thanks gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:22:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:22:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Who do I contact about getting a Site License Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:22:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44u1qs$fdq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site >license for Kermit (Windows 95) product. I saw a news posting sometime ago >but I did not write down the information. > The information is available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html or you can send email to: kermit@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:23:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 and Emacs meta key Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:23:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44u1tc$fes@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Walt Buehring wrote: : I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of : treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for : Emacs. That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the : line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth. And of course no : Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics. : Kermit 95 comes with an EMACS.INI file that sets up all of the Meta and Ctrl-Meta functions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 13:32:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:32:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Won't Work for User Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:32:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <44u2dk$fn9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com>, Roy Murphy wrote: : I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my : Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying : to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed : something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work : under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp : and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to : check that uucp can write the lock file. : : The error messages are as follows: : : /home/roy$ kermit : Error opening /dev/tty : congm: Permission denied : Here you have to make sure /dev/tty is readable/writeable. : /usr/spool/uucp: permission denied : Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1 : ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first : C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX : The current release of C-Kermit is 5A(190). It includes a lot of Linux-specific material that is not in 5A(188). I'd suggest you obtain it and start over. You can use the standard, portable installation method ("make linux" and then copy the various files to the desired places) or you can also try the Debian Linux installation. You can find the Debian Linux C-Kermit package in kermit/linux on kermit.columbia.edu. If you still have problems with the current release, send email about it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 2 21:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:05:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!toucan!bjorn From: Bjorn Eng Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:43 -0700 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 24 Message-Id: Reply-To: Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: toucan.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: bjorn@toucan Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3743 comp.dcom.modems:111893 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to reset the port... Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port monitor? The symptom is this: After completing a dial-out call with kermit the port monitor will not respond to incoming calls. The modem will still answer but the port monitor will not prompt for a login. This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. But tip is a little too hard core for some of our users :-) so I'm hoping for a kermit solution... Thanks, Bjorn Eng Jet Propulsion Laboratory From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 17:24:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:24:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:24:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 4 Oct 1995 17:24:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3744 comp.dcom.modems:111894 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bjorn Eng wrote: : I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. : It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor : (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw : this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The : fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every : time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to : reset the port... : : Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port : monitor? : Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor. Kermit is using the same technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms. If Sun changes the rules and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their "Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody tells us what it is. : This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. : Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris, and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor. Kermit is coded to be portable. It's not easy being portable, especially now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each thing :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 18:20:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:57:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:57:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!netnews.wku.edu!netnews.wku.edu!mayhew Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> From: mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu Date: 3 Oct 95 23:20:36 CDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Nntp-Posting-Host: wkuvx1 Nntp-Posting-User: mayhew Lines: 90 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: >> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection >> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message >> >> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. >> [. . .] > port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the > port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert > on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly > tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. > Joe D. In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that exists in very simple/standard setups. I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up. The .ini entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks. My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again for days. No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone home machine. The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes, and did so from DOS without bothering with windows. I was then online longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection). I'd just read msgs in this news group. I exited Kermit, started Windows, created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit. I got the unknown-hardware error. I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM, reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line. I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him." Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could guess what's causing the error, too. But my point is that I don't ordinarily get the error in that situation. (And, I sometimes get it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.) To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this: I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated the earlier series of events. This time the error did not appear. (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are involved at work). None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet. I suspect there's something flaky going on with Windows. Kermit is the best thing I've run under Windows. I especially like it's ability to do fast background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's. Kermit is very well designed software. Regards, Larry Mayhew mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 19:19:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:49:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:49:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:19:24 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 19 Message-Id: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add: "set dial init-string atq0m1". When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same line by "No response from modem". Without specifying init string, kermit's default init string is issued and modem responds "OK". When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values? -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 22:06:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: rusty%@columbia.edu (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 'set key' in CKermit:OS/2 Date: 4 Oct 1995 22:06:49 GMT Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 45 Distribution: world Message-Id: <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com> Reply-To: rusty@ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Nntp-Posting-Host: iefm770.itg.ti.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe I've missed something but there appears to be a "misfeature" about the way the keycode in the 'set key' command is parsed in CKermit 5A(191) for at least the OS/2 version. Under OS/2 I wanted to use the Shift-PageUp and Shift-PageDn keys for scrolling through the screen buffer. Normally, I use the PageUp and PageDn keys but they're assigned in the "Emacskey.ini" file, thusly I went with the Shifted keys. To get the keycodes I did: show key Press key: [Press ] Key code \841 => Undefined So I tried: set key \841 Bang! As soon as I hit the after the \841 CKermit comes back and says ?Invalid: set key \841 Errr??? It just gave me that keycode. Hmmm... at first I thought, Oh, that's s'pose to be octal but on second thought realized that this was Kermit and that number was really decimal. Luckily there is a work around! Convert the keycode to Hex and the command is accepted. hex(841) --> 0x349, so: set key \x349 \Kupscn Same thing goes for the Shift-PageDown keycode (\849). Converting it to hex \x351 also works while the \849 doesn't. While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using C-Kermit" book in the next edition. Please? Thanks for reading. -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock, KD4WLZ MSGID: MWH2 ___ Texas Instruments Internet: rusty@ti.com |\/ o\ O POB 869305 MS 8515 Phone: (214) 575-6838 | ( -< o O Plano, Texas 75086 Fax: (214) 575-4351 |/\_V_/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 3 02:02:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:49:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:49:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!petej.charm.net!user From: petej@clickvision.com (Peter M. Jansson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP for Mac Kermit? Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 21:02:40 -0500 Organization: Click Interactive Visions, LLC. Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: petej.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation? Thanks, Pete. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 02:03:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:03:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:03:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 'set key' in CKermit:OS/2 Date: 5 Oct 1995 02:03:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <44vecu$nq3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com>, Rusty Haddock wrote: > ?Invalid: set key \841 Clearly this is a bug, I'm not sure it is in the current build on kermit.columbia.edu. But in the version you have it is a bug. >While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation >and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using >C-Kermit" book in the next edition. Please? Thanks for reading. \Kupscn and \Kdnscn are used to manipulate the scrollback buffers. See CKERMIT.INF. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 01:31:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:53:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:53:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct4.073111.62716@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 95 07:31:11 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu>, mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu writes: > In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > >>> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection >>> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message >>> >>> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. >>> > > [. . .] >> port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the >> port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert >> on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly >> tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. >> Joe D. > > In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it > may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that > exists in very simple/standard setups. > > I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's > under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically > and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts > to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I > run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is > configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch > COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects > the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). > > I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard > about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my > current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. > > There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up. The .ini > entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks. > > My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and > reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again > for days. > > No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This > is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone > home machine. > > The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS > stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. > > My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: > > I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes, > and did so from DOS without bothering with windows. I was then online > longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then > reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection). > > I'd just read msgs in this news group. I exited Kermit, started Windows, > created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit. > I got the unknown-hardware error. I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM, > reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line. > > I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him." > Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could > guess what's causing the error, too. But my point is that I don't > ordinarily get the error in that situation. (And, I sometimes get > it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.) > > > To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this: > I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated > the earlier series of events. This time the error did not appear. > (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; > so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page > faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) > > This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period > of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, > and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. > > I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment > is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are > involved at work). > > None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet. I suspect there's > something flaky going on with Windows. Kermit is the best thing > I've run under Windows. I especially like it's ability to do fast > background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's. > Kermit is very well designed software. > > Regards, > Larry Mayhew > mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu ---------- There is another item in this discussion which can cause the effect. Your mouse is on COM1. If the Kermit startup script(s) has(ve) a command which causes a serial port to be opened for inspection, such as SET SPEED or similar, then it could well be the default port at that time is COM1 rather than the port you will use later. Moving the mouse to COM2 may be an easy permanent cure for use with Kermit and other programs, else edit the script(s) to set the desired serial port before other commands get a chance to probe the port. And yet more. Windows itself. Kermit looks at the status bits of the presumed UART to see if they are rational for a UART. If Windows has those messed up then we get the message. If Windows provides an incorrect port address, the \03f8 thing, then clearly matters will fail too. There is a final test for interrupts, the IRQ value, and it's there that matters are sticky. If Windows messes up simple interrupt handling for the serial port MSK will declare the port invalid. Handing of the interrupt controller chip by Windows (it is simulated to apps such as Kermit) has improved over time in Windows so an older driver might produce flakey results. That's the device=*vpicd line in system.ini, file windows\system\vpicda.386. Enough grasping at straws this morning. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 16:26:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:43:23 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!nih-csl!newssrv.dcrt.nih.gov!rick From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel) Subject: Re: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port In-Reply-To: mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu's message of 3 Oct 95 23: 20:36 CDT Message-Id: Lines: 70 Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Nntp-Posting-Host: helix.nih.gov Reply-To: rick@helix.nih.gov (Richard Troxel) Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:26:59 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. > port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the > port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no > expert on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if > yours is slightly tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit > is a good suggestion. I too have observed these symptoms, just as sporadically as reported below, but in a straight DOS dialup context. I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's under Windows 3.1. I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago. All my attempts to track this down have failed. Kermit is the only comm software I run. The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is configured for COM1. When so configured, it does not touch COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them). I use a PS/2 mouse with Microsoft driver, often don't invoke win at all, othewise similar. I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's. For me it's persisted across 3 different PCs and at least a couple of modems (probably all AT&T 9600 bps or faster). My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and reinvoke it. Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again for days. Here I have a suggestion for an easier workaround: For me it suffices simply to escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and issue set port 1 (or 2 as appropriate), then connect again and procede with my login. No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded. This is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone home machine. Same, except mine is a real PS/2. The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS stuff: HIMEM, EMM386, etc. I use QEMM. My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability: [snip] (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory; so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.) Same here (I think). This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period of a couple of years. I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily, and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs. Same here. Another data point... Regards, -- Rick Troxel Rick_Troxel@nih.gov rick@helix.nih.gov 301/496-4823 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// All effort and exertion put forth by man from the fullness of his heart is worship, if it is prompted by the highest motives and the will to do service to humanity. --Abdu'l-Baha From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 13:33:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:33:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP for Mac Kermit? Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:33:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <450mr2$rqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter M. Jansson wrote: >Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation? > As you can see in the ckmker.bwr file, there are numerous plans for Mac Kermit. Unfortunately, there is nobody to implement them. For the past five or six years, we have not had a programmer with both the time and ability to "take charge" of Mac Kermit. Several programmers have made valuable contributions as one-shot deals. Last month, a university actually assigned one of its programmers to add Mac TCP support to Mac Kermit, but before the work could be completed, the programmer took a new job. If we had the funds to hire a Macintosh programmer, we would do it. But unfortunately, we don't, and perhaps even more unfortunately, hiring a full-time employee to do this type of work is the only way it will ever get done. That's a change from the "old days". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 13:46:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:47:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 5 Oct 1995 09:46:58 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 94 Message-Id: <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using : autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add: : "set dial init-string atq0m1". : When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same : line by "No response from modem". Without specifying init string, kermit's : default init string is issued and modem responds "OK". : Try: set dial init-string atq0m1\13 : When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring : data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of : data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values? : The current version is 5A(190). In 5A(190), each dot signifies one K. You also have two other file-transfer-display options. One of them is a full- screen curses affair, with all sorts of information continuously updated including "percent done", "estimated time remaining", "characters per second", and so on. The complete UNIX C-Kermit package, including source code, initialization files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files, etc, but NOT binary executables is available as follows: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Binary executables for selected UNIX configurations are available via anonymous from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, files ckuker.* (there are many of these) -- get the READ.ME file from the same directory and read it first. Examples: ckuker.rs6aix32c.3.2.4 - IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4 ckuker.rs6aix41c - IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x ckuker.irix60 - SGI IRIX 6.x ckuker.sco* - Various SCO UNIX / Xenix versions ckuker.solaris2xg.2.3 - Solaris 2.3 SPARC ckuker.solaris2xg.2.4-Intel - Solaris 2.4 Intel ckuker.unixwarenetc - UnixWare Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order direct from the publisher: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 15:15:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:36:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:36:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.solaris Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!wauso!paul From: paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:15:07 GMT References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Albert Heijn Winkelautomatisering, Zaandam, the Netherlands Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Lines: 55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3754 comp.dcom.modems:112000 comp.unix.solaris:59018 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: >Bjorn Eng wrote: >: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. >: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? >: (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files I saw >: >: Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port >: monitor? > >Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor. Kermit is using the same >technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout >devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms. [...] Kermit used, and is using, the same technique on more than 400 different UNIX platforms? The same one? On all of them? Magic! :-) Pray tell, what is that technique? >If Sun changes the rules >and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their >"Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not >proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody >tells us what it is. I would expect that Sun is using the "normal" SVR4 thang for Solaris. If the port is properly configured (with sacadm/pmadm/ttymon-specific or whatever; use admintool if you can!), an appropriate lock in /var/spool/locks should do the trick. >: This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. >: >Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris, >and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor. The command "truss" can do wonders in cases you don't have source code, and are wondering what magic some command is doing. Many, if not most, unknown interactions can be, eh, reverse-engineered using truss. >Kermit is coded to be portable. It's not easy being portable, especially >now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each >thing :-) Amen to that :-| comp.unix.solaris added to newsgroups, and followups adjusted. Paul Slootman -- key to UNIX: echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlbx'|dc Murphy Software, Enschede, The Netherlands paul@murphy.nl work: paul@ahwau.ahold.nl +31 756 593946 fax +31 756 351240 home: paul@wurtel.hobby.nl +31 546 851514 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 16:15:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:07:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!venus.sun.com!uk-usenet.uk.sun.com!sungy!usenet From: Casper.Dik@holland.sun.com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 5 Oct 1995 16:15:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands Lines: 35 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3755 comp.unix.solaris:59034 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>Bjorn Eng wrote: >>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. >>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor >How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? The protmonitor listens for incoming calls. For bidirectional ports, the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken after a short period of time. Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3) There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch. There is no magic with the portmonitor involved when dialing out. But sun does have split personality serial lines: These two lines point to the same device: crw------- 1 uucp uucp 29,131072 Apr 3 1995 /dev/cua/a crw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 29, 0 Sep 11 13:45 /dev/term/a On dialin, open on /dev/term/a will succeed. For dialout use /dev/cua/a (much like in SunOS 4). This split personality only works if you configure your line for hardware carrier detect. Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 03:59:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:53:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:53:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: omer@actcom.co.il (Omer Joel) Subject: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:59:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . can anyone help me ??? From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 04:01:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:54:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:54:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: omer@actcom.co.il (Omer Joel) Subject: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:01:21 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . can anyone help me ??? please answer me by e-mail : omer@actcom.co.il From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 06:29:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!btnet!news.easynet.co.uk!usenet From: mildewh@easynet.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems with copy concatenate Date: 4 Oct 1995 06:29:59 GMT Organization: Mildew Hall BBS [os2] UK +44-1420-543542 24 Hours Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <44t9l7$7eu@lemon.easynet.co.uk> Reply-To: mildewh@easynet.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: mildewh.easynet.co.uk X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please advise - I need to run a copy concatenate in Ms-Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5a(190) for OS/2. My script line for both looks like: run copy file1 + file2 + file3 target I have to shell to the OS to do it because I found that internal kermit copy wouldn't work. The problem i get (but not on ALL the machines i try) is that "file3" is not always concatenated, so the application that receives "target" fails. I have kludged round it by: run copy file1 + file2 + file3 + file4 target where target is a 0 byte file created by open write file4 / close write file. Messy, but i'd like a fix for my problem.. Thanks in advance! +-----------------------------------------------------+ + Peter Garner AKA mildewh@easynet.co.uk + Mildew Hall BBS [os2] .. Alton's one and only BBS + running Warp From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 00:36:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alphanumeric script file Date: 5 Oct 1995 00:36:02 GMT Organization: GMIS Lines: 14 Message-Id: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific-18.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does anyone have it or know where an example would be? Thanks in advance, Joe Gill GMIS, Inc. E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com WWW : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb ning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 > Unimplemented speed > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > > This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only > *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error > message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly > detects the port. But not on the 486. > > What's going on here? How can it be fixed? > > -- John This happens to me too, however I just kill the DOS window and try again and it always works. Hope this helps. /Russ -- Russ Forster, BC Systems, 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8 RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA Office: (604) 389-3186 Fax: (604) 389-3412 Disclaimer: The opinions and statements contained in this posting are the sole responsibility of the author and have not in any way been reviewed or approved by my employer or any network service. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 00:39:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Alphanumeric script file on OpenVMS Date: 5 Oct 1995 00:39:22 GMT Organization: GMIS Lines: 22 Message-Id: <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com> References: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacific-18.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Joseph B. Gill" wrote: >Hello, >My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. >I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I >remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does >anyone have it or know where an example would be? I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform! OpenVMS Thanks in advance, Joe Gill GMIS, Inc. E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com WWW : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb > From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 06:25:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 23:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!cmi.hahnemann.edu!earth.medcolpa.edu!schoffstall From: schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 4 Oct 95 10:25:43 EDT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: earth.medcolpa.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 Unimplemented speed ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly detects the port. But not on the 486. What's going on here? How can it be fixed? -- John From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 15:50:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:13:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:13:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!news.cc.ic.ac.uk!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Estascy@euphoria.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <44tv29$c81@globe.indirect.com> Control: cancel <44tv29$c81@globe.indirect.com> Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:50:12 GMT Organization: Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Usenetters Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk X-Subject: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Death to Spam! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 13:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:53:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:53:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CTRL Caret on macintosh? Date: 6 Oct 1995 13:53:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Distribution: na Message-Id: <453cc9$bis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44sljg$5ot@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44sljg$5ot@uwm.edu>, Dave Rasmussen wrote: : In one of our inservice labs we have mackermit (version unknown at : the time of my writing this) on mac powerpc machines. They teach pine/pico : on a unix host in this lab, and pico uses CTRL ^ to mark a region. But : according to our mac expert they can't get mac kermit to transmit that : character. Can anyone on this list recommend how to do this? Basically : it'd be a CTRL SHIFT 6 to transmit a CTRL caret. : I don't have a Mac handy at the moment, but in case Mac Kermit does not send Ctrl-^ when you press the desired key combo, just go into the key settings dialog and assign the appropriate octal code (\36) to the key combo. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:09:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:09:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:09:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:09:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3765 comp.unix.solaris:59116 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>, Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer wrote: : paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes: : >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >>Bjorn Eng wrote: : >>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. : >>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor : : >How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms? : : The protmonitor listens for incoming calls. For bidirectional ports, : the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port : when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken : after a short period of time. : : Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3) : There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch. : So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away? But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4? Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever. So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open. I do not have access to a Solaris system that has a dialout modem, so I will need some assistance with this one. I'm perfectly willing to include any disgusting code that might be necessary to get this to work, even different code for each version and each patch level of Solaris, but I can't do it myself because I don't have a testbed available to me. Remember, folks, UNIX is a fairly portable and standard development environment except in certain areas. The most notorious trouble spot, from Kermit's point of view, is the handling of dialout devices: what are they called, what are the permissions on them, what directory are the lockfiles in, what are the permissions on that directory, what are the lockfiles called, what is in the lockfiles, what are the permissions on the lockfiles, and, worst of all, how to handle bidirectional lines. As far as I know, no two vendors do it the same way. If you are having trouble in this area on your system, send me thorough and complete documentation of the programming interface and techniques specified by the vendor for doing this, and be prepared to test the results. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:17:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:17:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:17:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:17:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, wrote: >I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut >down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a >Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it >executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: > >?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 >Unimplemented speed >?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > As Joe Doupnik never tires of explaining, Windows does not let Kermit at the real port, but only at a poor simulation of it. See the Kermit FAQ for hints on how to hammer Windows into submission. Basically, just keep repeating yourself: "set port 1... I said SET PORT 1! I SAID... SET PORT 1!!!" Also, you should have better luck with Kermit 95, which is written specifically for Windows 95. It uses the Windows drivers and follows Windows rules, thus keeping Windows happy. It also makes TCP/IP connections over Windows' built-in Winsock stack, which also makes Windows happy. More info about Kermit 95 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:30:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:30:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:30:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Looking for Alphanumeric script file on OpenVMS Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:30:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <453ei4$cvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44v99i$b0b@wanda.pond.com> <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3767 comp.os.vms:111510 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: >"Joseph B. Gill" wrote: >>My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one. >>I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I >>remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script. Does >>anyone have it or know where an example would be? > >I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform! > > OpenVMS > In the magazine, DEC Professional, columnist Kevin G. Barkes printed a C-Kermit script for OpenVMS to dial an alphanumeric pager. It was in the February 1995 issue, pages 43-46. You can make it as fancy as you want, but basically there's nothing to it: 1. Set up the call. 2. Make sure that DIAL succeeds (Alpha pagers, unlike numeric pagers, will send carrier back). 3. Send the text. Use OUTPUT or TRANSMIT for this. 4. Hang up. Some alpha pagers use a protocol with framing, checksums, message numbers, etc. One such protocol is called TAP. You can do this sort of thing in Kermit script language too, using INPUT and OUTPUT together with Kermit's built-in string, logical, and arithmetic functions. Just obtain the protocol specification from your pager service provider and start coding. Post examples here for others to see. For calling numeric pagers, see the item in the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 14:33:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:33:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:33:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripts - How does it work ? Date: 6 Oct 1995 14:33:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 108 Message-Id: <453eo0$d2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Omer Joel wrote: >I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts . >can anyone help me ??? > The Kermit script language is a programming language, similar to C or BASIC. As with other programming languages, you'll need a manual. For MS-DOS Kermit (for DOS and Windows 3.x), the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. For C-Kermit (OS/2, UNIX, VMS, etc) the manual is: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703 Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 4 08:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:31:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Message-Id: <1995Oct4.142419.62779@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Oct 95 14:24:19 MDT References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu writes: > I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut > down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a > Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it > executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: > > ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 > Unimplemented speed > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts > > This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only > *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error > message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly > detects the port. But not on the 486. > > What's going on here? How can it be fixed? --------------- We don't know. Call Microsoft Tech Support and/or dig deeply into the Resource Kit. That said, let me add a couple of comments. You may want to tell Windows to not devote the serial port to its own apps, get its address stated correctly, but leave it free. If you have other comms gear looking for that port, say a FAX program or MS' RAS material, then expect trouble. You might also want to run DEBUG.COM within a DOS box and display what's in segment 40h, just as we explain in the MSK release notes. If the first two bytes of 40:0h are empty (zeros) then Windows has usurped the port and that's that; try Control Panel variations. If not then they should be the same value as used elsewhere, such as \03f8 (two bytes together). Remember that Windows virtualizes (fancy for takes over the real and provides a fake substitute) serial port hardware, and failures to behave normally are results of the emulation by Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 22:07:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:12:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:11:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 6 Oct 1995 18:07:30 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 21 Message-Id: <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer display options. (And thanks to other replies by email). I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the difference. One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. Thanks again. -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 16:07:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:15:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:15:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!uk-usenet.uk.sun.com!sungy!usenet From: Casper.Dik@holland.sun.com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 16:07:21 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Netherlands Lines: 24 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: room101.holland.sun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3771 comp.unix.solaris:59152 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above >symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away? >But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4? Well, there is: use patch T102562-01, but that patch hasn't been released yet. Patches aren't usually released to the general public until there's enough demand. >Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever. >So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not >know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open. The bug report 1191317 says that this does happen with tip. I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special. It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and that's all (and it uucp locks the port). Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 19:08:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 04:14:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 04:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!delphi.cs.ucla.edu!twinsun!not-for-mail From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:08:25 -0700 Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <453ur9$eh@spot.twinsun.com> References: <44ug0l$r41@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.twinsun.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3772 comp.unix.solaris:59183 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It's not just kermit: the ttymon problem also breaks some other software, some from Sun, some from other vendors. The simplest workaround is to not allow bidirectional connections, and use the modem only for dialout. I don't know of any way to change kermit to work around the problem. While we're on the subject of Solaris and Kermit, when I upgraded to a host from SunOS 4.1.3U1 (aka Solaris 1.1.1) to SunOS 4.1.4 (aka Solaris 1.1.2), outgoing kermit stopped working. This is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD). kermit dials out OK, but the instant the modems finish handshaking, kermit reports `Communications disconnect (Back at twin)' and the modem hangs up. Rebuilding kermit from scratch didn't help. I haven't had time to look into it; we use tty Kermit only in emergencies these days. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 08:45:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:25:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Message-Id: <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 95 14:45:51 MDT References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, > wrote: >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: >> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 >>Unimplemented speed >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts ----------- I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial ports was clean every time. I had done the above. The thought it Windows doesn't look at the hardware until forced, and then on the first try it gets matters messed up. Thus repeated tries with MSK to finally yield success is another way of telling Windows to do the job properly. Configuring Windows should remove this forcing step. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 6 19:00:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:45:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:45:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!usenet From: David Maw Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tech info on kermit? Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: The University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: maw@obelix Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for techical papers/docco on how kermit works. I have to write a paper on how Kermit handles errors, and have had little luck finding information on WWW and Gopher. If you can point me in the general direction please post to this group or email me at: maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Thank you, ---- David Maw ----------------- "Errors" cover many sins and the responses vary depending on the particular transgression involved. The formal statement of the Kermit protocol is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, paperbound for under US$40, ISBN 09-32276-88-6. Within that framework each implementation has room to select whether to respond to some conditions or be patient, and how strongly to complain (sliding windows heurstics). A general soft rule in networking is damaged packets are not packets and are disregarded entirely as if they never occurred. Timers then step in to recover from outages. Thus damaged packets become empty time on the wire. Kermit is an ACK/NAK protocol and the intelligent and selective use of NAKs can shorten waiting times (NAKs are timeout preventers). Another soft rule of protocol stacks is there is room for local inventiveness on each end as that end selects what to do when things are not in good shape. These are heuristics that obey the formal rules and keep state machines sane, but generally try to shorten recovery sequences. A last soft rule of stacks is never try to outguess or even "help" the other side, because this side does not have all the information and thus may well make matters worse for a while. I implement this last soft rule as barbarian style actions in MS-DOS Kermit: do it successfully or everything fails and we could care less why it failed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 03:09:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Bobbie R. <70751.3204@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit User's Manual Date: 7 Oct 1995 03:09:51 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <454r1v$72b$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have windows 3.1 and old kermit release from Texas Womens University and no working knowledge. When I get back from logoff LO --- how do I terminate the session within windows to return to windows menu? Or how and where can I find a copy of the user's manual online form CIM. Thanks for the help in advance. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 12:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:32:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!wbgl.demon.co.uk From: Infomation Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automatic Parity selection Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 12:20:10 GMT Organization: The Warwick Bepos Group Lines: 17 Message-Id: <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: info@wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes selects EVEN parity. This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity of NONE and the transfer obviously fails because the other end is not running EVEN parity. I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and everything works fine - but I would rather not. The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS - ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine. The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur but in this case it is detecting incorrectly. Any ideas ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 16:46:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 04:19:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 04:19:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Oct 95 22:46:16 MDT References: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus: > > A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a > 14.4K Zoom fax modem. The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30) > I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on > that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off > the net. That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial > up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup. > > Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer > works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and > generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default > .INI files. Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever). > > Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at > normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is > buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P > > I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh > copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right > out of the box. > > I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use > COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited > compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as > far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then > aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide > error". (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting > for the "login:" prompt). > > (excuse me one second...) > > aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!! > > (okay, I'm back) Sorry, that's copyrighted by Mr. Schultz, on behalf of Charlie Brown. Look & feel, you know. > If you're still with me, > - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to guess what with the information at hand. Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match your modem. Got flow control set properly on the PC and in the modem? > - how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"? Don't bother asking. Stay with the code written for high speed machines. Joe D. > - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let > me script a login session? > > Thanks for any technical advice or moral support. > --- > "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov > Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 22:35:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 07:57:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 07:57:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:35:12 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not sure if the problems you're having with Kermit running on your system are a result of this, but I think I can tell you with nearly 100% assurance that you got stuck with an RPI modem. What's RPI? A complete answer is to be found in the Kermit FAQ, but briefly it means that your modem does not have data compression or error correction built in, but instead depends on having those features supplied by the software through a proprietary interface that must be licensed from Rockwell. If the box said it has those features (usually says "in software"), that's the Comit that came with it. Zoom may now offer 14.4 modems with EC and compression in hardware, but they were known for selling cheap RPI modems not long ago. You can know for sure-- ATI3 or I4 should return "Rockwell RPI" if it is one. Return it for refund or exchange if you can. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 5 22:49:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 10:12:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 10:12:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.iag.net!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:49:41 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus: A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a 14.4K Zoom fax modem. The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30) I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off the net. That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup. Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default .INI files. Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever). Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right out of the box. I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide error". (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting for the "login:" prompt). (excuse me one second...) aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!! (okay, I'm back) If you're still with me, - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? - how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"? - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let me script a login session? Thanks for any technical advice or moral support. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 16:29:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 12:39:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 12:39:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 8 Oct 1995 12:29:23 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 60 Message-Id: <458u93$o8g@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: |> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, |> > wrote: |> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut |> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a |> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it |> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: |> >> |> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 |> >>Unimplemented speed |> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts |> ----------- |> I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. |> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and |> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish |> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to |> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. |> I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial |> ports was clean every time. I had done the above. ... snip ... Joe may be on to something here. I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and I have an external modem on COM2. I find that I can consistently force the unknown hardware warning when I: - turn the modem off - start Windows - turn the modem on - start Kermit There may be other scenarios that cause the error. I don't know because I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command. On my PC this always clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it. However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini. Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist). After exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning. I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries for COM3 and COM4. Rerunning the test described above I did not get the warning. I'm not ready to claim I'll never see the error again but others may find my experiment useful. I don't know how the COM3/COM4 entries got into my system.ini file. It is possible I inadvertantly created them demonstrating the Control Panel to someone. As a final test, I exited Windows, deleted the COM1/COM2 lines in system.ini, and reran the power modem off, start Windows, power modem on, start Kermit experiment. This again produced the unknown hardware warning. So for my PC and WfW 3.11 it looks like Joe is right. When my system.ini file accurately describes my real COM ports I do not get the unknown hardware warning. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 21:38:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:03:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:03:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!lab33.cs.purdue.edu!huntercr From: huntercr@cs.purdue.edu (Charles Randolph Hunter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Ckermit and load problems. Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:38:26 -0500 Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University Lines: 26 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: lab33.cs.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have Ckermit 1.91 for OS/2 and after more than a month of trying to configure it properly, it still is a terrible hog of system time when downloading I have a 486dx2-80 with 16MB of RAM so I know it's not my motherboard. I was thinking that it might be because my com ports are not 16550's and I am connecting to an external DOV unit at 19200. I have been experimenting with my system settings and get peak performance at about 1835 CPS on a ZIP file.I have set priority to normal, I have "set rec pause n " to some number n and it seems to help about %10 or so, but I still have almost my entire system taken down by C-kermit. I notice that the system is not lagged at first when the CPS rates are low ( 1200-1500 ), but even if I lower the buad rate, system is still brought to its knees. Something a little peculiar is that anything that is in memory before I start the download will operate fine, as long as it does not access the disk! Does anyone have any ideas, tips,.. anything? Please email responses and/or post for others if you like. Thanks! -- Charles Hunter From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 12:40:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:06:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:06:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.net99.net!news!md From: md@goodnet.com (Mike Denton) Subject: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT Message-Id: Organization: GoodNet Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:40:10 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing to do with the topic of this group. You may see this message in other newsgroups, the reason is I am subscribed to those too so please don't flame me. I have been posting and reading to this group for a while. I just wanted to let you people out know there is a way to get Cable TV for FREE. I recieve this letter in the mail from a friend that had told me it works. I gave this to one of my friends and he had free cable in his house within 20 mins. I have not tried this method yet but may soon try if my cable goes up in price. If anyone would like a copy send the following to the address below. Address Envelope to: FreeStuff 9393 N. 90th St. Suite 102-289 Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Enclose in the envelope: Send... $1.00 U.S MONEY *** NO COINS *** NO CHECKS *** inside a sheet of carbon paper or construction paper, and send a *self-addressed*,*stamped* envelope to the address above. Thanxs, Just think if you pay 30$ + a month. 1$ will save you 359 + dollars a year. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 09:38:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:43:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:43:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: md@goodnet.com (Mike Denton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel Message-Id: Date: Sun, 08 Oct 95 14:38:50 CDT Control: cancel Organization: GoodNet Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled with Waffle From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 16:23:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:54:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:54:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!ai-lab!usenet From: stefank@panix.com (Stefan Kozlowski) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 (TYelnet) with Win95 Date: 9 Oct 1995 16:23:52 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 15 Message-Id: <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my emacs kbd mappings. When I have tried, my mscustom.ini loads mormally, the system pauses and then I get a message claiming that Kermit could not talk to my default gateway. Any help or pointers to help would be greatly appreciated. (I already know about Kermit95 and may go this way if I have to.) Thanks in advance. --Stefan From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 16:21:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:27:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:27:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:21:25 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >[I wrote:] >> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer >> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and >> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. >> ... >> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? > How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. > MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that >something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to >guess what with the information at hand. Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and no autoexec.bat) made no difference. > Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the >install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly >to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match >your modem. It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt and watch one line come out every few seconds. >> - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let >> me script a login session? I found one - dug out a copy of Procomm that came with my old 2400 modem. It runs at full speed, talks to the modem at COM4 without arm-twisting, and has a straightforward scripting language. I feel better now. But thanks for your suggestions. If I happen to figure out what stupid thing I was doing wrong, I'll post a confession. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 20:24:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:48:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:48:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit Print? Date: 9 Oct 1995 20:24:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated when a particular string is received and ended when another string is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? Many thanks. Clark -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 8 16:11:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 20:54:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 20:54:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 16:11:13 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Forgive me if the following is not too clear. I'm having trouble figuring out how to ask. I'm using rlogin to connect from my Unix shell account to a shell account on another ISP (I recall reading in this group that rlogin is better for Kermit file transfers than telnet). I have MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest patch level) on my PC, and C-Kermit 5A(190) on both my account and the remote host I'm rlogging into. My account runs on SunOS 4.1.3U, the remote one on MIPS-DEC-Ultrix 4.3. For file transfers between my PC and my account, I only need to prefix 0 1 3 26 28 sending from my PC to the host, and 1 3 26 28 255 host --> PC. When I use these settings to transfer files between my PC <--> the (rlogin-connected) remote host, host --> PC transfers work fine, but PC --> host transfers fail, and often cause the session to freeze (no response to any key), requiring me to hang up and call back in. If I prefix *all* control chars PC --> remote host, the transfer works fine. My question: Can anyone suggest control chars to try prefixing for PC --> remote host transfers in addition to 0 1 3 26 28, so that I don't have to try them all? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 01:19:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 10 Oct 1995 01:19:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <45chmq$1vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Clark Gaylord wrote: >Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >when a particular string is received and ended when another string >is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or OS/2) do this? Both. MS-DOS and OS/2 Kermit's (as well as the upcoming K-95) support both Controller and Auto-Print modes of the VT320 terminals. >And if so, what is the command/initialization string? These are listed in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit", the "Using C-Kermit" and VT terminal manuals. In addition, they are also in the documentation files which come with the software. Start Stop Auto-Print ESC [?5i ESC [?4i Controller ESC [5i ESC [4i Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 11:05:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:31:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:31:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!greybox.demon.co.uk From: Y Badri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:05:32 GMT Organization: improving slowly Lines: 26 Distribution: inet Message-Id: References: <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> <453dbc$c49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: greybox.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3790 comp.unix.solaris:59422 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>, Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer wrote: > >I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special. >It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and >that's all (and it uucp locks the port). Actually, that is somewhat special. I did a grep on /usr/share/man/* and XCLUDE is not documented. Another grep revealed that kermit doesn't use it [version 5A(188)]. It does turn up in sys/termios.h, as one of the bits in termios.c_cflag, and I'm not entirely happy about this comment ... #define XCLUDE 0100000 /* *V7* exclusive use coming fron XENIX */ As with other posters here, we've found at work that the safest option for Solaris 2.3 is to dedicate one port to dial-in. We can not only hang the port, but very often watchdog the machine by kermiting out on that port. This does not happen with 'tip', and I recall seeing a rather detailed report of this at Columbia University (FTP or Web, my memory fails me) over a year ago. -- Yusef Badri ... My Other Signature's In Postscript ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 08:57:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:35:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:35:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 95 14:57:56 MDT References: <1995Oct7.224616.63072@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>[I wrote:] >>> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer >>> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and >>> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. >>> ... >>> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is? > >> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? > > COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. >> MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that >>something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to >>guess what with the information at hand. > > Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an > absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and > no autoexec.bat) made no difference. > >> Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the >>install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly >>to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match >>your modem. > > It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell > it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt > and watch one line come out every few seconds. That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 11:53:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:17:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:17:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: "Steven W. Layten" Subject: Re: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp> To: jhurwit@netcom.com Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CAS (Chemical Abstracts Service) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:53:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Lines: 27 rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its 'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string (the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the '-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape character. This has given me full upload/download capabilities. In your case, you seem to be escaping control-z for some reason, so you could probably safely tell rlogin to use this as the escape. Hope this helps. Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Research Scientist Chemical Abstracts Service PO BOX 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org FAX: +1 614 447 3813 # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 16:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:58:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:58:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 10 Oct 1995 11:51:11 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >----------- > Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >rendition. I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from the same location to log into the host and control the spooler. Does such a thing already exist? I might try it myself but I don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet. Cutcp might work, though. Is anyone maintaining it? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 20:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:31:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:31:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 (TYelnet) with Win95 Date: 10 Oct 1995 20:31:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <45el6m$q42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu>, Stefan Kozlowski wrote: : Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP : stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my : emacs kbd mappings. : Kermit 95 is what you need. It is a native Windows 95 Telnet client and comes with EMACS keyboard mappings. More info: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 9 14:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:07:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Oct 95 20:27:42 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: > Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated > when a particular string is received and ended when another string > is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal > gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or > OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? ----------- Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit (of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy rendition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 22:27:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:27:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:27:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:27:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : Thanks for the help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer : display options. (And thanks to other replies by email). : : I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd : looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was : familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm : very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the : difference. : : One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send : and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are : unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or : scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. : It is -- it's called "server mode". Put one Kermit program in server mode, then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 22:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:31:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automatic Parity selection Date: 10 Oct 1995 22:31:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <45es89$34l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk>, Infomation wrote: : When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes : selects EVEN parity. This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity : of NONE and the transfer obviously fails because the other end is not : running EVEN parity. : : I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and : everything works fine - but I would rather not. : : The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS : - ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine. : : The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur : but in this case it is detecting incorrectly. : I doubt it. If there parity were not there, Kermit would not detect it. Something, somewhere, is adding the even parity bits without your knowledge. A packet log would show this. Thus, Kermit is doing exactly the right thing. Of course, if you can track down and eliminate the source of the parity bits, all the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 11:08:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:05:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:05:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 17:08:28 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >>> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >>> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >>> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >>----------- >> Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >>rendition. > > I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program > that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect > protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. > I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from > network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from > the same location to log into the host and control the spooler. > Does such a thing already exist? I might try it myself but I > don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet. > Cutcp might work, though. Is anyone maintaining it? No maintenance that I know of for years now. Joe D. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 12:52:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:12:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:12:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct10.185218.63372@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 18:52:18 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> <45ecn3$ifr@sloth.swcp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ecn3$ifr@sloth.swcp.com>, helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: > I, too, get frequent "unknown hardware for port" errors when running > MS-Kermit in a DOS window. It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the > CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens > when the DOS window is my first operation. Here is the workaround I found > when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: > > set com4 \x2e8 3 > set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > echo {Trying "set port 4" again} > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > sleep 2, set port 4 > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} > > This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far. I use a special > script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS > window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per > download. When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK > from the "real" DOS. Then, it's a dream! > > (I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap > file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.) Has it ocurred to you that there is a glaring conflict over IRQ 3 in your setup? IRQ 3 also belongs to normally COM2 so if any device has IRQ 3 engaged via jumper or soft setup is conflicting with your wanted serial port. Joe D. > -- > Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 > Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 01:21:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:21:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:21:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!usenet From: John Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macintosh telnet kermit Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:21:31 GMT Organization: UCR, CE-CERT Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 138.23.180.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows telnet connections and supports kermit. Kermit for unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not. Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections. Is there an analogous communications package for Mac that allows telnet connections. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 14:47:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string? Date: 11 Oct 1995 10:47:33 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 21 Message-Id: <45gle5$1i6@panix2.panix.com> References: <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com> <450nki$cku@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com> <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>, >Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: >: One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send >: and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are >: unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or >: scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it. >: >It is -- it's called "server mode". Put one Kermit program in server mode, >then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to. Found it - although I'm still looking for more info. But it works well enough. The manual's on back order, so when it comes in I'll look for more on this. Thanks again for your help, and for the program. -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 15:14:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!olsa99!nermal.asd.co.za!sophie.asd.co.za!not-for-mail From: anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is Super Kermit? Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:14:29 +0200 Organization: Secure Systems Engineering, Pretoria, South Africa Lines: 12 Message-Id: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: sophie.asd.co.za Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they mention : >Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or where I can get more information about Super Kermit? Thanks in advance Anton Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 19:17:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:17:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:17:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Super Kermit? Date: 11 Oct 1995 19:17:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45h58g$2je@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>, Anton Bouwer wrote: >In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they >mention : >>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. > >Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or >where I can get more information about Super Kermit? > "Super Kermit" is a term coined elsewhere, and generally seems to refer to a Kermit implementation that includes sliding windows or long packets, but usually not both. The term "Super Kermit" is not used by the Kermit project. It is extremely unlikely that you will find a Kermit implementation that is done elsewhere that is as fast, flexible, or robust as real Kermit software. To convince yourself of this, compare Kermit transfers done by MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with those done by BananaCom. Use settings such as those described in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html for maximum speed, assuming BananaCom supports those settings, which is doubtful. Feel free to post the results here. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 12:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!rutgers!umdnj!ratzan From: ratzan@umdnj.edu (Lee Ratzan) Subject: kermit for apple II gs Message-Id: Summary: kermit for apple II gs Keywords: apple II Organization: Univ. of Medicine and Dentistry of NJ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:00:57 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone inform me where one may obtain a copy of Kermit suitable for an Apple II GS? A colleague has this old machine but wishes to provide Internet access for their child and cannot afford a contemporary machine. Any help is appreciated. PLEASE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO: RATZAN@UMDNJ.EDU Kermit in a DOS window. It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens when the DOS window is my first operation. Here is the workaround I found when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again} if equal \v(port) Bios4 - sleep 2, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far. I use a special script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per download. When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK from the "real" DOS. Then, it's a dream! (I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.) -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 17:37:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:59:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem Date: 10 Oct 1995 17:37:45 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 62 Message-Id: <45eb19$1n54@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu> <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu> <458u93$o8g@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Smith (mike@post.queensu.ca) wrote: :>In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: :>|> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :>|> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, :>|> > wrote: :>|> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut :>|> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a :>|> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it :>|> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message: :>|> >> :>|> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 :>|> >>Unimplemented speed :>|> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts :>|> ----------- :>|> I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message. :>|> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and :>|> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish :>|> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to :>|> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have. :>|> I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial :>|> ports was clean every time. I had done the above. :>... snip ... :>Joe may be on to something here. I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and :>I have an external modem on COM2. I find that I can consistently force :>the unknown hardware warning when I: :> - turn the modem off :> - start Windows :> - turn the modem on :> - start Kermit :>There may be other scenarios that cause the error. I don't know because :>I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and :>sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command. On my PC this always :>clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it. That's consistent with my experience under Win 3.1/3.11. The other thing I found under my configuration (external USR Sportster 14.4K) is that if the modem is switched on BEFORE I power up the PC or switched on AFTER I launch MSK then the port (com2 in my case) does seem to be consistently recognized. :>However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel :>Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini. :>Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did :>have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist). After :>exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning. :>I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries :>for COM3 and COM4. Rerunning the test described above I did not get the :>warning. I'd done this a long while ago when I originally had the problem but "training" the control pannel really didn't affect behavior for me (although I've left things set up there properly since the "tidyness" makes me feel better). -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 13:27:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:39:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:39:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!darwin.sura.net!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for BeBox? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:27:09 EDT Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 2 Message-Id: <17434F56DS86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anyone out there working on a port of Kermit to BeBox? If not, then I may just have to volunteer for that one. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 19:10:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:21:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:20:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!pc32.physiology.uwo.ca!rburgess From: rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "CLEAN" Telnet Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:10:13 GMT Organization: Physiology Dept., UWO Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc32.physiology.uwo.ca Summary: "CLEAN" Telnet X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If I connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected printer file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there anything I can do to remedy this ??? Thanks for all the help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 12 02:56:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:35:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:35:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Date: 11 Oct 1995 21:56:18 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program >> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect >> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. > > But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" >which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much >more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. I have a couple of extenuating circumstances. First, the PC's in question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't much of an issue. Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring that is already in place where the little boxes would take more ports off the 10BaseT hubs. But, aside from that, I run a custom print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to feed single sheets and control different forms on the same printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers. Making one free box do it all just seems like a good idea. Pprd over a packet driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for an old 8086. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 01:33:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:57:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:57:42 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.013317.19979@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45e89v$2bf@mercury.mcs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:33:17 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45e89v$2bf@mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: >>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated >>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string >>> is received. In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal >>> gets routed directly to the printer. Can Kermit (esp either MSK or >>> OS/2) do this? And if so, what is the command/initialization string? >>----------- >> Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit >>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description, >>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy >>rendition. Could you give the location for setting OS/2 to do this. I really have a need for this option. I do have the CKERMIT book but cannot find a reference to printing under OS/2 through the vt terminal. Thanks a million. Helen From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 14:52:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 10:52:07 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 9 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. Am I missing something ? Atiq From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 17:45:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:45:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "CLEAN" Telnet Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:45:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <45jk6u$7e4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Burgess wrote: : I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If : I connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected : printer file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all : the ANSI escape codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. If I : connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the screen : displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely : nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting : to one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there : anything I can do to remedy this ??? : Lots of things. Start by consulting the Kermit FAQ at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt This question is discussed in item 19. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 07:28:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:37:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Control chars to prefix for rlogin? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom2.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:28:50 GMT Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Cc to poster.] Thank you for your helpful response. In article <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp>, "Steven W. Layten" wrote: >rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that >ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a >printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from >pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix >link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its >'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string >(the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it >was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed >by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. Sorry, I neglected to mention in my previous post that I'm transferring (pkzip) compressed binary files. I seriously doubt that Kermit will find many repeating chars. However, my test file is well seasoned with ~ chars, and this may indeed be causing transfers to fail. Makes sense, when they work host --> PC. >Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the >'-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in >the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit >to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape >character. I wasn't able to get my shell (tcsh) to accept a control char for -e on the command line, however I was able to sneak it in the back door by aliasing a command. However, this strategy didn't work-- the PC --> my host --> rlogin'd host transfer still failed: I wound up back at the shell prompt, and C-Kermit turned up as a suspended job. (Note: ^Z is in my list of chars to prefix because that is the suspend char on both my account and the one I'm rlogging into. Transfers will fail if it's not prefixed.) I also tried ^X, and the results were exactly the same. Suggestions would be *very* welcome! BTW, I don't know if this is significant, but after a failed transfer, I always wind up with a 0-byte file on the remote host named }}.sfm#Wxn. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 21:58:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!mp!t90kxs1 From: Srinivas Krishnamurthy Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-370 sliding window Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:58:32 -0500 Organization: Northern Illinois University Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mp.cs.niu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: t90kxs1@mp Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows? Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines? Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? Any ideas and information are appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Srinivas Krishnamurthy t90kxs1@mp.cs.niu.edu Washington National Insurance http://mp.cs.niu.edu:8000/~t90kxs1 Work (708) 620-7159 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 03:48:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:49:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.094853.63500@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:48:53 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program >>> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect >>> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs. >> >> But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes" >>which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much >>more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner. > > I have a couple of extenuating circumstances. First, the PC's in > question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't > much of an issue. Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have > a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring > that is already in place where the little boxes would take more > ports off the 10BaseT hubs. But, aside from that, I run a custom > print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to > feed single sheets and control different forms on the same > printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers. Making one > free box do it all just seems like a good idea. Pprd over a packet > driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver > makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for > an old 8086. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ------------- Sigh. Les, you imply that the Kermit project should spend development time and effort to be a print server. And the reason seems to be you have this rather unique combination of old gear and tailored techniques. Might I be so bold as to suggest spending your money to modernize your system for the long run, rather than us spending our money for your niche situation? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 03:57:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27827 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:50:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "CLEAN" Telnet Message-Id: <1995Oct12.095706.63503@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 09:57:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess) writes: > I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit. If I > connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected printer > file, everything works. If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape > codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO. > If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the > screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely > nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to > one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it . Is there anything > I can do to remedy this ??? > > Thanks for all the help. -------------- There are two ways of printing during VTxxx terminal emulation, as described briefly below from distribution file MSVIBM.VT. The codes are those received by the terminal emulator. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). The keyboard verb \Kprtscn (defaults to Control-PrintScrn key combo) also invokes controller printing (the line by line flavor). It's a toggle. You can redirect printing by Kermit command SET PRINTER . LOG SESSION is NOT a printing method. It is a total capture of the incoming data stream. For your Unix system I strongly recommend talking with its system manager. Be sure the terminal type matches that being emulated by Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 19:56:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:56:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:56:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 19:56:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, Atiqullah Hashmi wrote: > >Hi, > >In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. ^^^^^^^^^^^ 01 111 111 >It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. >Am I missing something ? Now do you see it? >Atiq Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 20:05:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:05:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:05:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: 12 Oct 1995 20:05:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <45jsdi$f1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, >Atiqullah Hashmi wrote: >> >>Hi, >> >>In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >>some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. >>It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. >>Am I missing something ? > The characters being sent are probably being stored in something larger than a byte. Perhaps a 16bit or 32bit int. In which case the value might not be an 8-bit char. So 377 will strip it down to size. Another possibility is that the 377 is assigned to a variable which is used as a mask. Sometimes to allow 8-bit data, other times to allow 7-bit data. PS Ignore my previous post. It was very wrong. I must be really burned out. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 09:53:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:13:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:13:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Super Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Oct11.155304.63455@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Oct 95 15:53:04 MDT References: <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>, anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer) writes: > In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they > mention : >>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is >>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session. > > Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or > where I can get more information about Super Kermit? > > Thanks in advance > > Anton > Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za ------------- We can't but maybe that vendor would like to say something. I've had one experience with a thing by that name some years ago and it was a disaster. It violated the Kermit protocol (and common sense). Consequently it can't be said to use the Kermit protocol. Note that Columbia Kermits have been transfering files with the Kermit protocol over many kinds of networks for years. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 00:34:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:34:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:34:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-370 sliding window Date: 13 Oct 1995 00:34:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <45kc62$sp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Srinivas Krishnamurthy wrote: >Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows? > No. That's because the underlying operating system does not support full-duplex communication, which is a prerequisite for sliding windows. >Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over > SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines? > I believe so, but it's always best to get a direct answer from someone who has actually done it. It might be as simple as telling the Kermit program on your end to "do ibm-linemode", which is a built-in macro in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, whose definition is: set parity mark set flow none set handshake xon ; or set local-echo on set duplex half If mark parity doesn't do it, try even. >Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with > IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? > The answer to questions like this always depends on the particulars of the connection, including all the devices, drivers, boxes, converters, front ends, and so forth from one end to the other, and probably also the load on the TSO system and its front end, not to mention the PC's speed, TSR population, and myriad other configuration items (disk caching, etc) that Kermit must work under. If we knew ideal AND foolproof settings, they would be the ones used by default. We do know "foolproof", and they *are* the default (provided you get the communications basics like parity, etc, right), but "ideal" always requires some experimentation. It's the old tradeoff -- speed versus dependability. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 19:23:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:54:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:54:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 19:23:39 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? >> >> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. > > Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. >It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4? >> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell >> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt >> and watch one line come out every few seconds. > > That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine >is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes, it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears. Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one. Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?) during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every, time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking... --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 13:30:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:33:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:33:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct12.193022.63570@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 19:30:22 MDT References: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> I dunno, it's your box. > > I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with > 386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial > ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found: > > CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz ---------- Oh my. At this point half the Internet would pounce and say: running Win95 by any chance? But I wouldn't do that. Yup, somethings broken. At the price of motherboards these days it's probably economically realistic to replace it without much further thought. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 7 16:24:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:48:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:48:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!socrates.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems With "DISABLE CD" On VMS Server Date: 7 Oct 1995 16:24:04 GMT Organization: Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4569j4$h3h@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, We are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on our Vax VMS System. I wrote a script to prompt the user when I press CTL-ALT-F3 to download files from SYS$LOGIN ie VMS C-Kermit in 'server' mode, PC 'gets' file. Our system administrator (VMS) entered the following commands in the global .INI file (CKERMIT.INI): disable cd disable host disable passwd disable help Apparantly, he could do a CTL-ATL-F3 and get the file, but our users are not able to do so. When the DISABLE CD is removed, all is fine. Does one need special privileges to get files even with DISABLE CD on? One more question: Can I put all the DISABLES in one line? Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 10 15:50:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:59:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:59:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Oct 95 21:50:16 MDT References: <1995Oct9.145756.63193@cc.usu.edu> <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes: > In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>> How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any >>>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased). >>>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem??? >>> >>> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded. >> >> Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK. >>It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2. > > If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why > does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4? Trying to put this into historical perspective without remembering the history... The other programs very likely do NO CHECKING. You are the beneficiary, so to speak. Once again, if your startup script has any command which requires going to the comms channel to answer then the serial port may be opened. The default port is COM1. >>> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell >>> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt >>> and watch one line come out every few seconds. >> >> That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine >>is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here. > > My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes, > it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears. That's not Kermit. That's your system. I can't begin to guess on this one. > Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup > might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various > multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using >one. Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup? Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch on it? That's discussed in the Kermit release material. > > Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?) > during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every, > time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking... Or maybe past tense croaking. I dunno, it's your box. Get together the required three humans to threaten the machine into cooperation, and please don't forget the sacrifical chickens. On the other hand, read the tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 14:40:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 04:28:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!llyene!news From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode Message-Id: <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> Sender: news@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Reply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory References: <1995Oct10.215016.63383@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:40:15 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > I dunno, it's your box. I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with 386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found: CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz I had a snapshot of the same diagnostic from 4/95 showing the correct speed of 25MHZ, so something has indeed failed. The system doesn't run any slower than it used to in general, and the DOS time-of-day is updating normally, but some timing or interrupt circuit must have gone south. >> Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup >> might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various >> multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one. > Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but > are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup? Nope. I said I'm not using a PM setup, but vanilla MSDOS. I still like the hypothesis that Kermit is stumbling over broken hardware that older and less clever software is simply ignoring. > Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch on it? Nope. >On the other hand, read the >tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls. "Turbo" mode has no effect on this problem, if that's what you mean. Anyway, sorry to rile you guys up for nothing. And thanks for the suggestions. --- "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782" jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 11 11:46:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:55:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:55:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: "Richard D. Piccard" Subject: Re: macintosh telnet kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@piccard-mac.cats.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed Oct 11 07:46:56 1995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Computer Services - Ohio University References: <45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:46:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:45f66r$m8r@galaxy.ucr.edu Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Collins wrote: >I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows >telnet connections and supports kermit. Kermit for >unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not. >Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections. Is there >an analogous communications package for Mac that allows >telnet connections. > > VersaTerm comes with a TELNET tool and support both BINARY and TEXT KERMIT file transfer. The only wierdness we have seen is a miserable throughput when using LAT tool instead of TELNET. This is with a several-years-old LAT tool, so we are not yet prepared to point fingers. VersaTerm Pro costs about twice as much as VersaTerm. The only difference I know of is that the Pro version emulates more and fancier Tektronix graphics terminals, so don't buy it unless you need those. ================================================================== Dick Piccard Academic Technology Manager Computer Services piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu Ohio University From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 02:28:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:18:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:18:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote directory and such Message-Id: <1995Oct13.082825.63619@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 08:28:25 MDT References: <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) writes: > I posted a few weeks ago with some Questions about MS-Kermit and C-Kermit > and our server went down right after I posted. I don't know if anybody > replied, since I never saw any replies. Thanks to all who replied anyway. > I just wanted you to know I am not the ungrateful kind, who takes answers > and never says thanks, I just never got a chance to see the answers. > > Anyway, on to my new questions. > > Here is what I am doing: > > I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use > MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS > box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and > for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need > that directory listing on the UNIX side. > > Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its > sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is > the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give > me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in > c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of > c:\mskermit. > > Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit > 3.13 I don't know about? --------------- As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade to the latest version." Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 04:09:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:04:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:04:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Date: 13 Oct 1995 04:09:56 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near impossible. I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean I try and wait , etc. So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would really help! Or any other method might be nice :)! Thank you Andre From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 12:41:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:57:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:57:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Message-Id: <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 18:41:15 MDT References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: > I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. > Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near > impossible. > > I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost > interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean > I try and wait , etc. > > So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to > the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get > Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would > really help! > > > Or any other method might be nice :)! > Thank you > Andre -------------- Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master archive. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 10:48:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Message-Id: <1995Oct12.164840.63558@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 16:48:40 MDT References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: > Hi, > > In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting > some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. > It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. > Am I missing something ? > > Atiq ---------- I don't understand what your question is. If it's not about Kermit then perhaps one of the other News groups is a better place to inquire. Joe D. at I am doing: I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need that directory listing on the UNIX side. Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of c:\mskermit. Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit 3.13 I don't know about? Thanks for any replies to here or by e-mail. I will post the specific commands I use, if necessary. Ute -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 16:03:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Message-Id: <1995Oct12.220351.63588@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Oct 95 22:03:51 MDT References: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address > on MSKermit 3.14. This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's > okay. > Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all > the others, but had not been used for Kermit. > It doesn't want to play with bootp... > > The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused > address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my > bootptab. > > Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd > running, but MSKermit times out. > > Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session? > > I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't > locate that now. I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead. > If I could find the script, I'd just use it. We don't care about the > addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net. > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. ------------ I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. To use Kermit over ODI please see the release docs for example NET.CFG files. IPXODI is Novell-only; it is not part of ODI though it uses ODI the same as Kermit does. A NetWare server or any other IP router carrying bootp requests off the local wire requires a bootp helper to route the request and the response; see netlab2.usu.edu, cd misc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 12 17:49:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:22:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:49:20 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-Id: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address on MSKermit 3.14. This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's okay. Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all the others, but had not been used for Kermit. It doesn't want to play with bootp... The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my bootptab. Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd running, but MSKermit times out. Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session? I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't locate that now. I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead. If I could find the script, I'd just use it. We don't care about the addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:20:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 07:58:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 07:58:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!snert!flatlin!bad From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:20:26 GMT Message-Id: References: <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> Followup-To: comp.lang.c Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why "Distribution: usa?" Do you think we Europeans can't answer that question? In <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: >In one communcation software I work with, I see that before transmiting >some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which is 011 111 111. >It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is. Assuming that your communications software is written in C I can think of two possible reasons. 1) Assuring that it is indeed an 8 bit character. The C language doesn't specify the number of bits in a char. (Ansi C provides the CHAR_BIT (sp?) #defined constant, though.) I believe some machines had 9 bit characters. 2) KNR C parameter passing. In KNR C there's no way to pass a char parameter to a function. It gets automatically promoted to int. Further, chars might be signed or unsigned quantities. If a "signed" char has the high bit set it is sign-extended when passed to function or assigned to an int. -- Christoph Badura bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org +49 721 606137 Es genuegt nicht, keine Gedanken zu haben; man muss auch unfaehig sein, sie auszudruecken. - Karl Kraus From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 23:05:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:40:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:40:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!vodka.intele.net!usenet From: Gerry Jensen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to make kermit answer? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:05:15 -0700 Organization: inteleNET Internet Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: green.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer the phone? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 12:43:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:47:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:47:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for VAX VMS Message-Id: <1995Oct13.184312.63715@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 95 18:43:12 MDT References: <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM>, Karen Hunter writes: > I would like to know where I can get > Kermit for a VAX VMS system. We have a > product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with > no documentation, just the executable file. > > I would like to up/download files from my > Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit > on the Vax. > > Can anyone help me? > Thanks, > Karen Hunter ---------------- Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/ckermit. There are ready-built versions of CKermit (which is what you want) for VMS variations. Choose one that fits. Please do discard that ancient Bliss Kermit-32 item; it is far outclassed by the current C Kermit 5A(190). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 00:23:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:03:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:03:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!info.bta.net.cn!usenet From: ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 15 Oct 1995 00:23:11 GMT Organization: Beijing Telegraph Administration Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Nntp-Posting-Host: ts1-28.bta.net.cn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code via archie or net serach. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 00:02:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:55:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.ridgecrest.ca.us!owens!mbguest From: mbguest@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew Guest) Subject: MSKERMIT and CGA graphics X-Nntp-Posting-Host: owens Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ridgecrest.ca.us (Ridgenet Usenet admin) Organization: RidgeNet - SLIP/PPP Internet, Ridgecrest, CA. (619) 371-3501 I have been trying to get mskermit 3.14 to work with an old Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:02:40 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 01:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 02:00:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 02:00:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!brutus.bright.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 01:31:37 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Same as above message. :) Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local servcer. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 15:57:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.trw.com!news2.trw.com!ns1.nba.trw.com!news From: Karen Hunter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for VAX VMS Date: 13 Oct 1995 15:57:15 GMT Organization: TRW Lines: 14 Message-Id: <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: khunter.sp.TRW.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc/3598-3601 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to know where I can get Kermit for a VAX VMS system. We have a product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with no documentation, just the executable file. I would like to up/download files from my Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit on the Vax. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Karen Hunter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 13:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Two problems with OS/2 ckermit. Message-Id: <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:28:45 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit manual. We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals. Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How can you get a clean screen or data caputre. Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:00:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Mail Command Question Date: 13 Oct 1995 12:00:34 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, public access Internet site. 360-693-0325 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees? Is there a way to influence any of the RFC-822 message headers? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... A meeting is an event at which the minutes are kept and the hours are lost. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 13 19:34:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26032 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:58:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto-TCP/IP addresses Date: 13 Oct 1995 19:34:29 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <45mf05$cpa@bug.rahul.net> References: <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net> <1995Oct12.220351.63588@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. I do "set tcp address bootp" in all of my PCs. The latest one doesn't want to play, though. Since I don't particularly care which PC gets which address, I thought I would use the script that was posted here to "assign" TCP addresses on the fly. I don't recall the logic involved with that script. I think I will just put a "set tcp addr ..." appropriately in each PC in individual mscustom.ini files. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:49:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:49:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two problems with OS/2 ckermit. Date: 15 Oct 1995 16:49:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <45re3g$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit >manual. > What version of OS/2 C-Kermit? The current version is 5A(191): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip >We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program >that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the >devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get >nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the >terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals. > First make sure you have the current version. Then if there is still a problem, collect a session log, uuencode it, and mail it to: kermit-support@columbia.edu >Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How >can you get a clean screen or data caputre. > Use SET PRINTER to redirect your printer to a file, and then use screen capture or controller print (documented in the CKERMIT.INF file, which you can view using C-Kermit's built-in UPDATES command). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:57:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:57:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:57:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Mail Command Question Date: 15 Oct 1995 16:57:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <45reid$fk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: >Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees? > Yes. Just separate them by commas. >Is there a way to influence any of the RFC-822 message headers? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:00:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:00:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:00:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to make kermit answer? Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:00:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-Id: <45renv$ol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: >I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the >phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer >the phone? > This is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 11, pages 113-118. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:06:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:06:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:06:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <45rf27$ts@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>, wrote: >Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? >I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >via archie or net serach. > Believe it or not, MS-DOS Kermit is not written in C. It is written primarily in 8086 assembly language. I wonder why you want the source code. Would it have anything to do with Chinese language support? If so, you should read the article in Kermit News #6 called "Circumnavigating the Web with MS-DOS Kermit". Among other things, it tells how to do Chinese terminal emulation with MS-DOS Kermit. Also, you might be interested that an older version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32, was completely converted to Chinese language to run under CC-DOS at Zhezhiang University. You can read about this in Kermit News #5. Kermit News issues are available as follows: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/news*.txt (and .ps) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 17:08:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:08:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:08:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <45rf72$vg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com>, Andre Ferchau wrote: >Same as above message. :) >Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local >servcer. > No, Kermit cannot uuencode. But yes, it can send files as mail, using the MAIL command, with a Kermit program in SERVER or RECEIVE mode on the other end. Unfortunately, most mail clients cannot deal directly with binary files. So you will have to uuencode binary files first before you mail them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:19:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:19:35 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>, ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn writes: > Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code? > I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code > via archie or net serach. ----------- The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:25:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.112528.63790@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:25:28 MDT References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: > I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no > kermit. Hence the problem. > > I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get > through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes. > > Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only. ------------ Please tell me what Kermit has to do with the situation. You have Email only, and Kermit is not an Email program. Email is not an interactive situation (so do you really mean Email?) You should consider finding an FTPMAIL site which will mail you binary files in uuencoded form or use just ftp. Otherwise, I suggest you contact the system manager of the Unix machine about giving you interactive access. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 05:27:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:55:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to make kermit answer? Message-Id: <1995Oct15.112708.63791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 11:27:07 MDT References: <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen writes: > I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the > phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer > the phone? > > Thanks, > Gerry > gerry@blue.intele.net ----------- Your modem has to answer the call. Please read the release documentation shipped with Kermit, and the manual for your modem. See the modem's ATS0=digit command. See Kermit's SERVER command. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 20:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:15:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:15:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!its.hooked.net!usenet From: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 15 Oct 1995 20:23:00 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Lines: 8 Message-Id: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> Reply-To: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Nntp-Posting-Host: also.hooked.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An essential part of the script checks several specific screen addresses for content, looking for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for this, but I am unable to locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Byron Morgan, San Francisco From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 22:06:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:04:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:04:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: kermit: please don't drop DTR Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:06:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 27 Message-Id: <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3853 comp.dcom.modems:113188 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider, and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped. After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and start the SLIP daemon. Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up. I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter, what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port). Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?: close("/dev/tty0"); Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change the setting to +HUPCL? Any other suggestions or comments? Regards, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:09:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:09:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: kermit: please don't drop DTR Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:09:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <45tsj0$211@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3854 comp.dcom.modems:113199 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? : : I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider, : and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped. : : After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and : start the SLIP daemon. : : Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the : serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up. : : I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter, : what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port). : : Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?: : : close("/dev/tty0"); : : Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change : the setting to +HUPCL? : : Any other suggestions or comments? : Long question, short answer: It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a program exits, either explicitly (_exit()) or implicitly, all of the files that is opened are closed. UNIX does this even if the program doesn't. One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation), and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:12:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:12:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:12:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:12:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net>, Byron Morgan wrote: : I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An : essential part of the script checks several specific screen addresses : for content, looking for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for : this, but I am unable to locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints : would be greatly appreciated. : None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely that form. However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 16:05:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:05:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:05:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Distribution: cu Message-Id: <45tvrm$4s8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Testing, please ignore. Local post Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:13:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:49:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:49:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!csn!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote directory and such Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:13:25 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45tsql$83e@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> <1995Oct13.082825.63619@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring : a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice : and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade : to the latest version." Thanks, Joe. Seems you were right on the money. I've been fiddleing around with it and found that using \\ does the trick. I will try to convince people to upgrade to 3.14, but that may take a while. Ute --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 14 22:11:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:07:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:07:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address? Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:11:56 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 39 Message-Id: <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com> References: <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com> <1995Oct13.184115.63714@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no kermit. Hence the problem. I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes. Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only. Thanks! Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes: : > I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state. : > Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near : > impossible. : > : > I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost : > interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean : > I try and wait , etc. : > : > So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server. I log on to : > the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit. If I could get : > Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would : > really help! : > : > : > Or any other method might be nice :)! : > Thank you : > Andre : -------------- : Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit : file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode : necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's : a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master : archive. : Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 15:52:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:30:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:30:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14: set printer lpt1: Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:52:04 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 21 Message-Id: <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If I give the command set printer lpt1: to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen. I get this effect even if I start kermit with no initialization file kermit -f nul or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994 (patch level 9) and does nothing else. The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null. If I omit the colon MSK responds as expected. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 16:37:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:10:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:10:52 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.netins.net!fastbox!usenet From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) Subject: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.2 Sender: usenet@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Usenet) Organization: The box in my House Message-Id: <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:37:25 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA LCD screen. MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of MSKERMIT? -- Matt- Linux help by e-mail Advocating Linux and OS/2 for the Indian Wells Valley From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 23:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:18:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:18:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.ios.com!ferchaa From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail Date: 15 Oct 1995 23:56:09 GMT Organization: International Internet Association. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <45s72p$9um@news.ios.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mary.iia.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu UPDATEE Wll, I got uuencode to work and ended up with a 8.uue file. It would be simple..:) to mail it but my mail receiver won't accept big mail. ~ 100K +. So I tried to split it. and then the mail went somewhere but not to the mail address. And no failed mail post to Pine.. *hit :) It could better...:) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 15 13:21:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:30:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:30:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA Message-Id: <1995Oct15.192120.63831@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 95 19:21:20 MDT References: <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us>, mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) writes: > I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA > LCD screen. MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no > characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the > characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have > set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of > MSKERMIT? --------- Matt, Your machine has contracted a classical case of "talk but can't listen." It is discussed in the release notes accompanying MS-DOS Kermit. Please review them and apply the recommended medicines. The most common problem is an IRQ line being used by two or more devices; only one may be connected to each IRQ wire. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 06:52:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:56:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:56:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14: set printer lpt1: Message-Id: <1995Oct16.125213.63886@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Oct 95 12:52:13 MDT References: <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > If I give the command > > set printer lpt1: > > to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen. I get this effect > even if I start kermit with no initialization file > > kermit -f nul > > or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994 > (patch level 9) and does nothing else. > > The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't > there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null. If I omit the > colon MSK responds as expected. ------------ Uh oh. Yes, a message that lives in a different data segment than expected, hence gibberish. Sorry about that. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 16 17:55:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:33:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:33:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU!lusgr From: lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU (Stephen G. Roseman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: kermit: please don't drop DTR Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:55:55 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45u6bb$psb@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chili.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3864 comp.dcom.modems:113329 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>, > Ramon F Herrera wrote: > : Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits? > : Any other suggestions or comments? > One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process > open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation), > and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open. I use Kermit under Linux to dial, and then I PUSH instead of EXITing from Kermit to start up ppp. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Roseman Lehigh University Computing Center lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.Edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 17 05:42:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:45:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:45:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!its.hooked.net!usenet From: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 17 Oct 1995 05:42:30 GMT Organization: Hooked Online Services Lines: 19 Message-Id: <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: bmorg@hooked.net (Byron Morgan) Nntp-Posting-Host: tuna.hooked.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely >that form. However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit >program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are >trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. > >- Frank Frank, I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a monitor screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a specific screen area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for would check the appropriate screen addresses for train information, store the information in variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds, for example) check each screen location for changed information. If this can not be done with C-Kermit, I suppose it could be done with REXX, which I have never used. Byron Morgan From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 15:01:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit? Date: 18 Oct 1995 15:01:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-Id: <4634rl$ncs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net> <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net>, Byron Morgan wrote: : In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in : > precisely that form. However, if you can be more specific about which : > Kermit program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is : > you are trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful. : : I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC : machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a : monitor screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a : specific screen area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for : would check the appropriate screen addresses for train information, : store the information in variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds, : for example) check each screen location for changed information. If this : can not be done with C-Kermit, I suppose it could be done with REXX, : which I have never used. : Now that's a challenge. And I take it that there is nothing in the actual text that identifies which platform the train is on -- that would make it too easy :-) Of course, if that is true, then it is also hard to see how a textual "trigger" would have helped. Thus you have to know the screen position of each piece of text. OK, let's assume that the screen is updated in random fashion, but with the constraint that each platform is done all at once, as follows: There are 20 positions on the screen, so you need to be able to identify twenty 's. Let's use the brute force method: define \%a \27[y1;x1H define \%b \27[y2;x2H define \%c \27[y3;x3H ... define \%t \27[y20;x20H where the xn's and yn's are the column and row for each entry. For example, if the Platform 1 text appears in column 1, row 2: define \%a \27[2;1H Suppose updates occur at least every 60 seconds. So wait for one of these sequences: minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t if fail stop 1 Something bad If updates occur at irregular intervals, then you need not be so strict: minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t while FAILURE { echo Nothing happening at \v(time)...,- minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t - } (or just increase the INPUT timeout to some big number). Once you get this far, the \v(minput) variable contains the number, 1-20, of item that was matched. If the train platforms are numbered 1 through 20, you can arrange these variables correspondingly in the MINPUT command, so the \v(minput) value will be the same as the platform number. If not, you can have a conversion function or lookup table (array). Next, get the text: clear input ; Clear out everything up to and including the escape sequence input 10 \27 ; Wait for the next ESC if fail stop 1 Something else bad ; Insert appropriate error handling assign \%z \v(input) ; Get a copy of the text assign \%z \fsubstring(\%z,\feval(\flength(\%z) - 1)) ; Discard the ESC Now, hopefully, you have all the information you need: - \v(minput) contains a number 1 through 20 that tells which screen position the text came from, from which you can deduce the platform numbers. - \%z contains the corresponding text. Let's say you also want to record the date and time that each entry was picked up. declare \&d[20] ; Date/time array and then: assign \%d[\v(minput)] \v(date) \v(time) Put the whole thing in a big loop, and off you go. This is all totally untested, so you'll need to do the debugging and refinement. Be sure to post the result! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 16:55:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:55:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:55:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: evarts@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This a test.... Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:55:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <463bi2$sm4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: evarts@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: bbs.kermit.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Testing, please ignore...,. - Max From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 01:51:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:45:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:45:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lanwp - and using ip names (as opposed to numbers) Message-Id: <1995Oct18.075125.64084@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 07:51:25 MDT References: <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc>, naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > Hello Kermit users, > We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with > the command > set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > > Where the x's are the ip number. Our network adminstrator has requested > that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not > found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed > to the number. (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem > set po tcp allows for ip name addresses) > > Any suggestions. > > We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer > to both versions would be appreciated. --------------- I think we covered this in the MSK release documenation. The answer is yes. Novell's Domain Name Server procedures live separately from their TCP/IP stack, alas. To engage DNS lookups start a connection with TELAPI loaded and transitory helper program TSU available. Then use the Kermit macro "telapi" (could have chosen another name) below to start a connection by IP name: define telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov Run it as telapi that.host.domain optional-port-number such as telapi vms.huji.ac.il Other sessions can be started to other fake-serial ports (k1, 1 idents above), if you read the docs on Novell TSU's command line interface. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 05:15:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:26:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:26:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:15:41 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell everyone I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And I don't do Windows. I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. You get the picture. Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses dynamically? If so, how? By the way, I'm curious: Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 09:23:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:04:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.biu.ac.il!news.huji.ac.il!vms.huji.ac.il!naomir1 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lanwp - and using ip names (as opposed to numbers) Message-Id: <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc> From: naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il Date: 18 Oct 95 09:23:59 GMT Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.huji.ac.il Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit users, We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with the command set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Where the x's are the ip number. Our network adminstrator has requested that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed to the number. (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem set po tcp allows for ip name addresses) Any suggestions. We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer to both versions would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help Naomi From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 20:01:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:49:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:49:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Another question. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ghp5hpc.law.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia School of Law X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct12.094853.63500@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:01:14 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through session? I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and have it captured with "set printer". Or can I? This spawns two general questions: 1. Is there script archive anywhere? 2. Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to a "raw data" session)? Must my script detect the escape codes and toggle capturing itself? I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question. I'd love to RTFM, but I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be here :). Thanks for any help. -- George H. Payne Law Information Technology and Communications UVa Law School From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 09:43:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:42:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:42:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Message-Id: <1995Oct18.154307.64146@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 15:43:06 MDT References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes: > We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we > are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for > PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to > CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. > The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT So the modem hasn't answered the phone yet. ATS0= is the way to tell it to answer incoming calls, naturally. > 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version > installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem > which has no problems connecting to the remote site. > > Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop > and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or > execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the > register. Sure looks as if you have other software banging on the modem at the same time (Fax??). Have a look for competing software. > We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. No need for Kermit. But your modem may be one which is less than clever and require AT commands in upper case only. > Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems > with PCMCIA Modems? PCMCIA anythings have trouble with computers is the proper description of such difficulties. It's not Kermit, it's the total confusion and muddle of the sundry PCMCIA components. Kermit is unaware of PCMCIA and has no need to be aware of that stuff. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:52:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:54:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:54:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:52:08 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 6 Message-Id: <464b08$mc6@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> <1995Oct18.154307.64146@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dd11-003.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe, Thanks for the response. We will try setting ATSO to a non zero number. Rich From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:44:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:08:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:08:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Message-Id: <1995Oct19.074443.64205@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 07:44:43 MDT References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >> Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic >> IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. > > Telebit? Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer? How might I lay > my hands on the Telebit PPP driver? Do I need to have a Telebit modem > and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver? Yes, the modem maker. You will have to ask Telebit about their sales policies. We use a bunch in our campus modem pool, and I have a personal unit too. >> and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. > > Is this something that can be done "manually"? I mean, could I simply > look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my > SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type > > SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123 > > for example? Is it that simple? Could be. I have not the slightest idea of what your service provider is doing to supply the IP number and thus I won't guess here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 15:34:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:34:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:34:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:34:03 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>, Jim Monty wrote: : I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications : programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell : everyone I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And : I don't do Windows. : Thanks! But... :-) : I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the : SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet : service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them : to fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" : serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP : account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, : go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my : wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. : You get the picture. : : Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction : with a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses : dynamically? If so, how? : This is an FAQ, but unfortunately, one to which we don't have a good answer. I hope somebody out there will pipe up with a PPP configuration that works. Meanwhile, we have had good reports about the CSLIP driver, I think it's called CSLIPPER -- maybe that will help? : By the way, I'm curious: Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run : TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX : PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider : that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? : I hope not, but I'd be interested to hear responses from others on this topic. It has far-reaching implications, not only for us Kermit aficionados, but for the world at large. Here is one slightly pessimistic way of looking at it: Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration, mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and innovation. "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc. Most of this content came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information, messages, email, conferences, etc. Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism. Which is not a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast resources of content. But at the same, the net became "easy to use". To grossly simplify what this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode; rather, one passively points and clicks on things. Most of the modern net access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than add things to it. It's as if the content had become frozen in time, except, of course, for all the commercial offerings. It's like a museum, in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money. Soon, even the items on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing but an electronic shopping mall. There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the effect that "text is dead". I, for one, would like to think calmer heads will prevail. NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace. Take e-mail as an example. Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit ASCII form of exchange? Because nothing else works. Everything else, at best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems. 200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media, nobody will have any trouble reading it. I don't think you can say the same for any other form of electronically stored information. Which brings us back to the original posting. Internet Service Providers should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value" happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 01:53:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:09:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:09:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print? Another question. Message-Id: <1995Oct19.075350.64206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 07:53:50 MDT References: <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) writes: > On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through > session? I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered > the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I > cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same > time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and > have it captured with "set printer". Or can I? > > This spawns two general questions: > 1. Is there script archive anywhere? > 2. Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to > a "raw data" session)? Must my script detect the escape codes and > toggle capturing itself? > > I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question. I'd love to RTFM, but > I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be > here :). Thanks for any help. > -- > George H. Payne > Law Information Technology and Communications > UVa Law School -------------- Scripts run at Kermit prompt level, not within terminal emulation. However, you may define a Kermit macro to do just about anything (holds any Kermit commands) and tie it to a Connect mode key. But please be aware that Connect mode is not operating while at the Kermit prompt level and hence there will be no transparent printing activity there. It's better to turn all this around and tell the remote host to do the transparent printing work. That is, have a command file of some kind on the host and run it. In turn that cmd file brackets the file to be printed with the ESC [ 4/5 i transparent printing control sequences. If that command file were named tprint.com then invoke it as say "tprint filename." Kermit would be in Connect mode the whole time. Another alternative is to just transfer the file from the host to the printer using the Kermit file transfer protocol. The file destination would be PRN or other suitable name. This approach is robust. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 16:26:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:38:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:38:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:26:34 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >> via archie or net serach. >----------- > The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly >assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus >one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. > Joe D. No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the name when the philosophy changed? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 08:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:28:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:28:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct19.142831.64257@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 14:28:31 MDT References: <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu>, chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver) writes: > I just get a new kermit in my PC. But I have no idea about it. First of all > I want to download and upload my file via Kermit. Any help will be > appreciate. ------------- Homework assignment for you: 1. Read the release documentation shipped with MS-DOS Kermit (presuming that's what you have) or CKermit (presuming that's what you have). 2. Obtain a copy of the book "Using MS-DOS (or C) Kermit", as detailed in the release notes and in the Help screens. Read it. 3. Practice a tiny bit and enjoy. It won't happen unless you do it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 14:57:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:43:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!crcnews.unl.edu!unlgrad1.unl.edu!chwu From: chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:57:54 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 6 Message-Id: <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlgrad1.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just get a new kermit in my PC. But I have no idea about it. First of all I want to download and upload my file via Kermit. Any help will be appreciate. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 12:03:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit-"scripts"? Message-Id: <1995Oct19.180330.64283@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 18:03:29 MDT References: <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de>, fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) writes: > Hi all, > > I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder, > if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates > the login-process, or even automates a whole mail > download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy > manual failed due to my ignorance. > Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has > written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't > forget to erase your passwords ;). > > Thanks in advance, > and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my > question, > > Alexander > -- ------------ The current release is version 3.14, which you may obtain across the Internet from directory kermit/msdos on kermit.columbia.edu, file msvibm.zip. Yes, you can do all of those things, and a great deal more. The current version of MS-DOS Kermit has many more and more powerful script commands as well. There is a good guide to these commands: the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." Lots of examples and explanation. You will find complete references to the book and publisher in the above quick-start kit and on screen two of the Help command of MSK v3.14. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 22:38:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:50:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More C-kermit questions Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:38:55 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 51 Message-Id: <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay so I figured out how to put my DOS box into server mode from my UNIX box using C-kermit and the get a directory listing from the DOS box send over to the UNIX box. I use something like this echo "\033_server\033" ; kermit my_file > list where my_file looks like this remote dir ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:03:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:03:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Autodial in Kermit 3.xx Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:03:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 158 Message-Id: <468h91$kps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46719g$rpt@news-e1a.megaweb.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46719g$rpt@news-e1a.megaweb.com>, Brett R. Bradshaw wrote: >I use kermit to dial only 1 number. Is it possible to make it >dial automatically when kermit is loaded. I have the connect >command initiated by the ini file then type ATDT8,xxxxxxx to >dial the number. There must be a way to automate this. Any >help is appreciated. > (a) It's always best when posting questions to mention what kind of computer you have, which operating system, and what version of Kermit software you are talking about. (b) Assuming you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, most questions like this are answered explicitly or implicitly in the published documentation, which you should purchase. Info below. Briefly: just put "dial xxxxx" in your initialization file. KERMIT BOOK LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703, Fax +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $10 US PER BOOK for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 32.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 85.00 Or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann / Reed-Elsevier with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, ...) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: . . . . DM 79,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. Also available from 45 rue Henri de Regnier Columbia University, F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE same price as English edition. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax +33 39 02 39 71 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 22:49:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet From: markb@dircon.co.uk (Mark Bolton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Info required Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:49:14 GMT Organization: Direct Connection (Call 0181 297 2200 for info) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <466kla$82g@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ac005.pool.dircon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not sure if this the right group to post this to, but I need some technical info on how file transfers using Kermit, Xmodem and XON/XOFF (ASCII) work. I know there must be lots of books out there but I need the info rather quickly so I'm looking for WWW or FTP sites with this information. Yours hopefully, Mark -- Mark Bolton - email: markb@dircon.co.uk -------------- janet: bm350@greenwich.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 16:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:06:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More C-kermit questions Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:06:30 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <468he6$fmn@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: : I get the file transfer status display and after a few moments the system : beeps and presto my directory listing is in a file called list on my UNIX : system. : : BUT, and you knew there had to be a but, how do I turn of that display? : The manual says to type : set display display none : Oh, and while we are at it, how do I turn the display back on once I got it : turned off? : set file display fullscreen (or whatever other kind you prefer). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 17:29:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:45:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:45:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!spcuna!newton.texel.com!usenet From: Hannington Musinguzi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Support of X-Modem Protocol Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:29:44 -0700 Organization: Texel International Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3087DC88.22EE@texel.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hanning.texel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to download files from a unix box running SCO and set to XModem. However, I am not able to run kermit and I get a nasty error when I attempt to call rx from my box. Someone help.... Han From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 01:58:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:46:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:46:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Message-Id: <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14! I prefer it to all other telecommunications > programs. Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled. I tell everyone > I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem. I own the book. And I don't do > Windows. > > I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the > SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year. Unfortunately, my Internet > service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to > fix it has become extruciating. They say they only support "modern" > serial IP drivers. Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP > account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok, > go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock." They have no patience for my > wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address. > You get the picture. > > Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with > a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses > dynamically? If so, how? Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. The reasons are twofold. The top end of the PPP driver must be something that Kermit can deal with, such as a Ethernet/SLIP Packet Driver interface or ODI. Then secondly, the dynamically assigned IP number information has to be communicated to Kermit somehow, and there isn't any standard on the matter. MSK knows how to work with Telebit's ODIPPP driver for passing back the IP number, but that's all the information I have. If your vendor supports bootp then that should take care of the IP number problem. So, there is the PPP driver top level interface standard item, and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. Luckily I don't have to use serial comms at my site and thus I do not have a collection of PPP drivers to look at. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 03:22:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:42:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:42:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Oct 95 09:22:32 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as >>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was >>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and >>> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing >>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the >>> name when the philosophy changed? > >> With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. >>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. >>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free >>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any >>trouble understanding that? > > No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if > you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, > or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only > free if you don't need them. No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something else which makes money for me, etc." We have covered this ground in detail over the past year or so. > Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full > tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included > at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would > be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available > in source code with modifications for special purposes from > many sources. See above since it's basically the same situation. > I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether > the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university > owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could > dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was > contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping > it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless. Joe D. > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 12:07:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 06:46:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 06:46:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:07:02 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 23 Message-Id: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ad37-131.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: ALL@columbia.edu We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem which has no problems connecting to the remote site. Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the register. We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems with PCMCIA Modems? Thanks for any help in advance, Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) Sparta Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 18 23:50:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!fen!fim.uni-erlangen.de!fp131 From: fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit-"scripts"? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:50:41 GMT Organization: FIM-Psychologie, Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg Message-Id: <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de> Reply-To: fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fim.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder, if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates the login-process, or even automates a whole mail download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy manual failed due to my ignorance. Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't forget to erase your passwords ;). Thanks in advance, and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my question, Alexander -- this problem? Does Kermit have known problems with PCMCIA Modems? Thanks for any help in advance, Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) Sparta Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 08:41:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Oct 95 14:41:39 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code >>> via archie or net serach. >>----------- >> The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly >>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus >>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. >> Joe D. > > No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as > I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was > chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and > always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing > against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the > name when the philosophy changed? > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com ----------- With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any trouble understanding that? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 03:45:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8 Date: 19 Oct 1995 03:45:22 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-Id: <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <1995Oct18.075811.64085@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bud.indirect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic > IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not. Telebit? Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer? How might I lay my hands on the Telebit PPP driver? Do I need to have a Telebit modem and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver? > and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit. Is this something that can be done "manually"? I mean, could I simply look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123 for example? Is it that simple? --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 09:28:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet From: PK Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Auto-dialling Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:28:43 GMT Organization: Piquet Computer Services Lines: 3 Message-Id: <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ak037.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 20 02:49:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 21:49:57 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 35 Message-Id: <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as >> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was >> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and >> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing >> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the >> name when the philosophy changed? > With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark. >Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright. >The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free >to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any >trouble understanding that? No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only free if you don't need them. Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available in source code with modifications for special purposes from many sources. I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 19 17:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:10:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!delmarva.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 19 Oct 1995 13:35:08 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 35 Message-Id: <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: :In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>, :Joe Doupnik wrote: :>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code :>> via archie or net serach. :>----------- :> The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly :>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus :>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement. :> Joe D. : :No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as :I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was :chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and :always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing :against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the :name when the philosophy changed? : :Les Mikesell : les@mcs.com Kermit is free. But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be copyrighted. Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not without the author's consent). The philosophy didn't change, just the times. --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 17:10:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:36:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:36:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Date: 20 Oct 1995 17:10:16 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 46 Message-Id: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp1-5.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello from France. I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex I try this : define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) ; define \%n 1 :Bcl assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) ; assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} ; ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. Is there a patch to correct this problem ? Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? Best Regards Dominique Ottello do11@calvacom.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 05:55:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:43:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:43:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!genmagic!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jaypee From: jaypee@netcom.com (John Peterson) Subject: Problem with remote host command Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 05:55:45 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: jaypee@netcom17.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system [under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191) in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes about 4-5 minutes). The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and eventually I get the message: ?Sent too many NAKs I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am I missing here? Best Regards, John -- John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ - jaypee@netcom.com - MicroSoft? Just say NO! From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 00:43:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:46:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:46:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!mercury!jay From: Jay Daly Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help w/PATHWORKS TCP/IP Setup Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 Organization: Beth Israel Hospital Boston MA Lines: 64 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.bih.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: jay@mercury Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm posting for a friend without newsgroup access, and I'll try to describe the setup as completely as possible (which may be a problem, given my ignorance of the Pathworks system). She is using MSK 3.14, with a Pathworks 5.11 client, and has loaded the DIS_PKT9 shim in config.sys, and has included the specified [pktdrv] info in protocol.ini. After some tweaking, the packet driver seems to be recognized, and the session proceeds toward the gateway, but seems to stop there. I'm not familiar with the network, itself, but they're using the default BROADCAST value, with both the gateway and machine on the same network. Nevertheless, the session seems to be unable to identify the gateway machine. Here's a snippet of the session: ------ IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995. ; They installed the 5/95 3.14 update after this, but with no change. MS-DOS Kermit 314 initialization file... ; These are responses from the startup script: TCP/IP Status is 0. (0 = Ok) No. of Active Sessions: 0 ; This is the IP Address for the U.S. National Library of Medicine: Resolving address of host 130.14.10.200 ... Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.161.10.2 Unable to contact the host. The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. Host Unreachable.. ------- Sounds to me like a problem with the gateway, but they have no trouble getting out through the Pathworks TCPIP program. I forgot to ask whether the Pathworks TCPIP program was still loaded when Kermit was run, but I guess I assumed that it would have taken over the TCP/IP stack if it were, and no packet driver would have been found. Perhaps a rash assumption. Would the Pathworks TCPIP program prevent ARP on the gateway? Any other hints on the Pathworks setup? I know the host (NLM) was up, since I used Kermit to telnet down from here in Boston at the same time they were getting this error up in Alberta. So it's got to be a local Pathworks configuration problem, is it not? (Of course, I'm using MSK on NetWare 3.12, not Pathworks.) All help greatly appreciated. Any Pathworks insight would be sunshine into the darkness of my ignorance. And I'll pass it along to my Canadian friend. Jay Daly jay@bih.harvard.edu QuickDOC 45A Mason Terrace Phone: (617) 734-0918 Brookline, MA 02146 Fax: (617) 734-3154 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 14:05:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:05:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:05:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Auto-dialling Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:05:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <46aun9$mba@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, PK wrote: >Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need >to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines) > You have to write a Kermit script program. Script programming is thoroughly documented in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which also includes numerous examples such as the one you are asking about. The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 14:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:25:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:25:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:24:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <46avrn$n2d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >... >No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if >you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, >or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only >free if you don't need them. > >Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full >tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included >at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would >be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available >in source code with modifications for special purposes from >many sources. I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether >the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university >owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could >dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was >contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping >it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. > This topic comes up over and over again, and those who are interested in it can read the archives of this newsgroup, as well as comp.dcom.modems, comp.os.vms, and others to see the many viewpoints and arguments that have been expressed, over and over again. Yes, the original spirit has changed. So have the times. So has the net. So has everything. This is not the same world as the one we started out in back in 1981. To summarize, once again, very briefly: Originally, the Kermit project was funded to develop Kermit protocol and (yes, copyrighted) communications software, and we gladly gave it away to everybody. Now the project is no longer funded. From the period 1990-1994 or thereabouts we were able to fund our own work through book sales and software distribution fees. Then, about a year ago, people stopped purchasing books and ordering software from us. Not because demand for and use of the software is diminishing -- quite the contrary -- but because they can get it more easily by ftp (easier now than ever with Web browsers) or on somebody's CDROM where it was put without permission, in violation of the copyright. Without revenues, the Kermit project will disappear. Now, as Joe pointed out, all the Kermit software (except Kermit 95) is free to the end user, BUT NOT TO THE RESELLER. The only people who complain about this policy are the ones who want to take our work, sell it (or bundle it with a product, or put it on a CDROM which they sell), and contribute nothing back to us in return. There is no better way to kill the Kermit project, and we have a responsibility to our millions (yes, millions) of users not to let that happen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 15:12:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:12:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:12:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:12:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-Id: <46b2k7$okf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 : The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for : u-circomflex. I try this : : : define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == : ; : ; Search for position of (:) into Line : assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) : increment Begin : ; : ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End : assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) : ; : define \%n 1 : :Bcl : assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) : ; : assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) : echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} : ; : ; Test if the character is a Space : if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK : increment \%n : goto Bcl : ; : :LenOK : decrement \%n : assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) : echo Line=\M(Line) : echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} : : There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, : but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. : So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. : : Is there a patch to correct this problem ? : Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? : It is indeed a problem. It seems that in MS-DOS Kermit, when a variable has a value of SPACE (ASCII 32), it just disappears, so in your script program, \Fcode(\m(tmp)) is taking the value of a random memory byte. You can work around this problem as follows: ---(cut)--- define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; echo LINE="\m(line)" ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1) ;; <--- "Line", not "Ligne" increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr({\m(Line)},\m(Begin),) define \%n 1 assign length \flength(\m(SN2End)) ; Get length of substring :Bcl assign Tmp _\Fsubstr({\fdef(SN2End)},\%n,1)_ ; Put _ before and after char assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(TMP),2,1)) ; Get code of char between _'s ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n if > \%n \m(length) stop 1 END OF STRING... ; Avoid infinite loop goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line="\m(SN)"} ---(cut)--- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 15:20:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:20:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:20:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with remote host command Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:20:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <46b33m$p5j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Peterson wrote: > I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system >[under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191) >in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial >period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes >about 4-5 minutes). The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and >eventually I get the message: > > ?Sent too many NAKs > >I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would >disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried >huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am >I missing here? > No, it's not SET SERVER TIMEOUT. That governs the behavior of the server when it is waiting for a command from the client. In this case, the server *has* received a command from the client and has started an inferior process, and is blocked waiting for the process to complete (or to send output, which ghostscript is evidently not doing, since it is busy painting the OS/2 screen). Meanwhile, the *client* is waiting for a reply and none is coming. Of course the server has no idea how long the "host" command will take, so it has no way of telling the client. So in this case you have to adjust the client, using "set send/receive timeout" and/or "set retry". It would not be unreasonable to expect the server to send some kind of periodic "hold on, I'm working" type of message to avoid this type of situation; perhaps this can be added in some future release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 16:37:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:37:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:37:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:37:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <46b7kf$s49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote: : We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we : are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for : PCMCIA). Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to : CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. : I don't understand. You're saying that you can use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file, but in the previous sentence you say you can't connect to a remote site. Maybe you could be a little more specific about the two scenarios -- the one where Kermit works and the one where it doesn't. : The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT : 9600. We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version : installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem : which has no problems connecting to the remote site. : How are you dialing? Are you using the DIAL command (macro) together with a modem script such as ULTRA144.SCR? (If not, maybe you should be.) If you are saying that the exact same setup (PC OS, Kermit version, modem) works on a desktop with external modem but does not work on the laptop with the PCMCIA card, then you probably have PCMCIA / laptop "peculiarities". Laptops tend to have power-saver and similar features not found in desktop systems, so that's the first thing to look for. Second would be interrupt conflicts on your laptop. And so on -- all the stuff that is described in the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. One thing to try would be to simply CONNECT to the modem and type the AT commands yourself, including the dialing (ATDT) command. After it says RING, RING, ..., what does it say? NO CARRIER? It should give you a message about why it failed to make the connection. In fact, if you look in S86, it should tell exactly why the call failed (look up the code in your Hayes manual). : Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop : and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or : execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the : register. : Kermit is not sending that string (unless you have invoked the ATHANGUP macro), and you are not typing it. Therefore, I can only speculate that there is some other software on your laptop that is trying to use the modem at the same time as Kermit. : We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case. : This should have no effect at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 20 09:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:47:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:47:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!globe.indirect.com!usenet From: krondor@indirect.com (Chris Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest version of kermit? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:10:59 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com> Reply-To: krondor@indirect.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ip76.abq-dialin.hollyberry.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can find it. Thanks for any help. Chris krondor@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 23:06:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:06:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latest version of kermit? Date: 21 Oct 1995 23:06:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <46bucs$evb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com>, Chris Lawrence wrote: >I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can >find it. > Kermit software is available in different versions for hundreds of different hardware and operating-system platforms. The best way to find out all about it is through our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 09:35:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:07:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:07:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char) Message-Id: <1995Oct21.153538.64426@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 95 15:35:38 MDT References: <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 92 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14 > The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex > > I try this : > > define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == > ; > ; Search for position of (:) into Line > assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) <<< TYPO, \m(line) > increment Begin > ; > ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End > assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) > ; > define \%n 1 > :Bcl > assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) > ; > assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) > echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)} > ; > ; Test if the character is a Space > if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK > increment \%n > goto Bcl > ; > :LenOK > decrement \%n > assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) > echo Line=\M(Line) > echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} > > There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line, > but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space. > So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number. > > Is there a patch to correct this problem ? > Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ? > > Best Regards > > Dominique Ottello > do11@calvacom.fr --------- The problem is straight forward to discover and to solve. It is a \fsubstr() operation can result in a space, and if that is the only definition for an ASSIGN command then the definition appears to be empty and the variable is undefined/removed. Aside from the typo noted above here is a version of your script which works. Note that you have a possible infinite loop, which should be avoided by set count \flength(string), ... if count to terminate after examining all string bytes. I removed some of your lines by ;;; comment indicators and slipped in the count saftey net. define line == SERIAL NUMBER : D00536 == ; ; Search for position of (:) into Line assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1) increment Begin ; ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),) ; define \%n 1 ;; optional safety net by jrd set count \flength(SN2End) :Bcl ;;;assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) ; ;;;assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)) ;;;echo Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii) echo Char=\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) Code=\m(Ascii) ; ; Test if the character is a Space if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK increment \%n ;; optional safety net by jrd if count - goto Bcl ; :LenOK decrement \%n assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n) echo Line=\M(Line) echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)} Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 21 23:10:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:08:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:08:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: exit code in c-kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu> From: "John K. Peterson" Date: 21 Oct 95 16:10:52 -0700 Nntp-Posting-Host: jkp.byu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Url: news://acs1.byu.edu/comp.protocols.kermit.misc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K., I give up! How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status from a command file? (please reply by e-mail) Thanks John Peterson -- University Networking Services -- Brigham Young University Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu Phone: (801) 378-5007 From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 21:58:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:58:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:58:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: exit code in c-kermit Date: 22 Oct 1995 21:58:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <46eepi$fid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu>, John K. Peterson wrote: >O.K., I give up! How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status >from a command file? > Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit" (command summary, p. 331), just follow EXIT by whatever number you want C-Kermit to return as its status code. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 15:55:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:12:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:12:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit on os2 Date: 22 Oct 1995 11:55:40 -0400 Organization: New York University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dizzy.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 15:44:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:44:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:44:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit on os2 Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:44:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <46gd9k$6dn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: >This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. >But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from >partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. >The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does >one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. >An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the >kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I >beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. Install with the provided INSTALL.CMD file and all will be well. There are various entries that must be placed in the CONFIG.SYS file. And the Kermit DLLs must be in the same directory as the executable. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 11:59:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:07:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:07:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC hotkeys using kermit Date: 23 Oct 95 11:59:07 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello out there, I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question. mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then goes back into the emulation mode. *** Tony *** higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk London, England From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 17:46:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:46:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:46:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:46:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <46gkdg$c65@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, wrote: : I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 : keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the : PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. : This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. : : The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected : to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and : and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then : goes back into the emulation mode. : This is explained in the manual, in the section "macros on keys". Define a macro to do anything you want (such as TAKE'ing a file) and then assign it to the desired key. There are also ways of having the host do this (read about the PRODUCT macro). The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:15:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:15:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:12 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3915 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through November 30, 1995: . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. Presently, this number is available only to those calling from within the USA. Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. This number may be called from anywhere in the world. The cost of each call is $25.00, chargeable to your MasterCard or Visa account. . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. The number is +1 (212) 854-5126; a bulk or site license serial number is required. (Note: this category presently applies only to Kermit 95) Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: . On the Web. Point your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and look through the Kermit FAQ and other topic areas. . By netnews. Read and post questions to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. Members of the Kermit team will respond to questions on a best-effort basis. Others may also respond. . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Members of the Kermit team will respond to questions on a best-effort basis. Why the new policy? Simple: One-on-one telephone support is costly and inefficient, and the demand for it has been skyrocketing in recent years. Charging for this service will allow us to expand it to keep pace with demand. You may begin using the 900 number right away. Callers to 854-5126 will be informed that this service will no longer be free after November 30. Thank you for helping us to serve you better! Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, the Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 15:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:24:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:24:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!inf.ethz.ch!rchishol From: rchishol@iiic.ethz.ch (Rory Alexander Chisholm) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Ckermit over local network. Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:25:58 GMT Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 36 Message-Id: <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: raf6.inf.ethz.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is this: I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to connect at 19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32 connection to our university dial-in (with data compression). The dial-in is to an annex, from which I use "telnet" to connect to a local machine, I then log in and start ckermit on the remote machine to start a file transfer. My problems now include: On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I prevent this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT what I want). More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without problems. More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose send packet length of 256 for the remote and the same for the local end receive packet length. The window size I set to 8 and leave the rest alone. This appears to work, any packet length higher than 256 (512, 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems with NAK/timeout (yes I did set the block check to 3). So my questions are 1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection) 2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something like 30% throughput) Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol (x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that reads from stdin for the local machine ? Sometimes this is all that is available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a destination. Thanks for any help in advance, regards Rory Chisholm email: rchishol@math.ethz.ch From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 22 23:34:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:06:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:06:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 22 Oct 1995 23:34:07 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp2-10.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Sun Oct 22 4:34:07 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to extract the path name from the name of the currently executing script file. C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS and unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. I can use \v(cmdfile) to get the currently executing file name but how can i get the pathname without first pulling the platform type and parseing the filename string to get it. I am using 5A-190. Also: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows NT, and OS/2 Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc. adldata@ix.netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 21:23:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:23:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:23:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:23:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked : with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS and : unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to : keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file : so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the : form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. : How about this: take \v(inidir)filename.tak \v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the directory from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed, framed suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc. : How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is : anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows : NT, and OS/2 : They are very compatible, despite some differences. I don't know exactly how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our best to reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit you have, the fewer incompatibilities. If you have questions about specific features, feel free to post them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 21:33:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:33:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:33:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Ckermit over local network. Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:33:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <46h1mr$o3d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch>, Rory Alexander Chisholm wrote: : I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is : this: I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to : connect at 19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32 : connection to our university dial-in (with data compression). The : dial-in is to an annex, from which I use "telnet" to connect to a local : machine, I then log in and start ckermit on the remote machine to start : a file transfer. My problems now include: : : On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I : prevent this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT : what I want). : Like it says in the manual: "set dial speed-matching off". : More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default : settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to : increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without : problems. More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose send : packet length of 256 for the remote and the same for the local end : receive packet length. : As an aside (and as explained in the manual), the packet length is determined by the receiver. Nobody ever needs to give a "set send packet-length" command, except under very unusual circumstances. : The window size I set to 8 and leave the rest : alone. This appears to work, any packet length higher than 256 (512, : 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems with NAK/timeout (yes I did : set the block check to 3). So my questions are : : 1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its : line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection) : Lack of a fast and effective means of flow control. Try enabling RTS/CTS in C-Kermit and in your modem. Of course, you also need good (bidirectional) flow control between the remote modem and the Annex, but there's not much you can do about that. : 2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something : like 30% throughput) : Nobody can answer that for you. The optimal combination of parameters depends entirely on the characteristics of every single component in your connection, and nobody else has the same connection you have. The only way to achieve optimal performance is to understand what the variables are and what are the consequences of changing them, and then experimenting with various combinations until you hit your peak. For some hints to get you started, see our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html : Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is : there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol : (x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that : reads from stdin for the local machine ? : Yes. The current version of C-Kermit for UNIX is 5A(190). It comes with a file, ckurzsz.ini, that defines macros for using rz/sz/etc as external protocols. Read the comments in that file for further information. : Sometimes this is all that is : available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use : tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a : destination. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 00:18:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:23:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:23:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!kmhouse From: kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com (Kathleen M. House) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 24 Oct 1995 00:18:52 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus, Inc. - Professional Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-Id: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS for Kermit manual) to log into a remote Unix box and transfer a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on. I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither of these do what I need. Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine generated commands? Any help is greatly appreaciated. My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows. Kathleen House kmhouse@halcyon.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 18:04:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:58:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 04:58:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-ulm.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-konstanz.de!news From: Christoph Zengerling Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: 23 Oct 1995 18:04:06 GMT Organization: Uni Konstanz, Fak. fuer Mathematik Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: konstanz.pool.informatik.uni-konstanz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.mail.misc Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24585 comp.mail.elm:18496 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3922 comp.os.linux.misc:80468 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, the other the header. What I want is to send my mail using kermit (for kermit sets up the most stable serial connection on my computer). One idea might be to awk the address from the header file and then to use the kermit MAIL command to send the body. Maybe someone can offer me a little program to do this. There might be better solutions, all hints are welcome. bye zg -- Please mail to reply! * * * Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de * * Fachschaft Mathematik * From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 16:41:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jaypee From: jaypee@netcom.com (John Peterson) Subject: Re: c-kermit on os2 Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:41:10 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jaypee@netcom12.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) writes: >This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question. >But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from >partition /and or file other than the one in which it is. >The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does >one tell kermit where the rest of itself is. >An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the >kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I >beg indulgence for an OS2 starter. From the information you have given, I'm still guessing, but it sounds like C-Kermit can't find the dynamic link libraries (.DLL files) located in the directory where you installed C-Kermit. Did you install using the install script? If you didn't, or did and answered no to "Is it OK to modify your CONFIG.SYS?" then you probably need to add the C-Kermit directory to LIBPATH=.... in your CONFIG.SYS by hand, and re-boot. Best Regards, John -- John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ - jaypee@netcom.com - MicroSoft? Just say NO! From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 18:37:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 05:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: To Frank da Cruz and Joe Doupnik Date: 23 Oct 1995 18:37:08 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <46gnck$j99@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp1-16.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thank you very much for your answers. Now my procedures work well. Thanks. -+- Dominique -+- do11@calvacom.fr From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 14:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:10:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:10:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:10:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <46is41$bek@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com>, Kathleen M. House wrote: : I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS : for Kermit manual) ... : That's what it's for :-) : ... to log into a remote Unix box and transfer : a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and : Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on. : I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither : of these do what I need. : "set local-echo off" is not relevant, but "set display quiet" does indeed disable the file transfer display. : Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine : generated commands? : What, exactly, are you seeing that you don't want to see? In any case, one way of doing this is to run Kermit from within another program (in the simplest case, a batch program) that redirects its standard output away from the screen. For example: kermit -f command-file > nul You can also make that same program put whatever you want on the screen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 24 01:21:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:12:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:12:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 23 Oct 1995 20:21:55 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 52 Message-Id: <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if >> you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful, >> or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only >> free if you don't need them. > > No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free >in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something >else which makes money for me, etc." We have covered this ground >in detail over the past year or so. But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away as has happened with lots of other software. And it still isn't quite clear what is wrong with someone else getting some value from the program. In the case of the DOS version, you are the primary author so I respect your wishes about how it should be handled, but I think the stuff going back to the old days should have been split cleanly between free versions that someone else could improve and distribute and the versions done by the current team with its restrictions. Then maybe there could be *some* version of kermit included with unix distributions, including the free ones. What good does it do to have kermit at one end only? >> Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full >> tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included >> at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would >> be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available >> in source code with modifications for special purposes from >> many sources. > > See above since it's basically the same situation. > >> I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether >> the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university >> owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could >> dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was >> contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping >> it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy. > Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless. What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user space that would never have happened if the base code had been restricted. Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy behind kermit too. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 00:02:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:03:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:02:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >... >What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way >into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is >room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation >that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user >space that would never have happened if the base code had been >restricted. Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy >behind kermit too. > It was, but times changed. I think you are missing the difference between the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you associate with "free software". The difference is: we are working on this full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career. We are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and support Kermit protocol and software. You can't say that about most of the other software that you cite. The BSD project is shut down, the people scattered to the wind. Many of the other examples are one-shot deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you can't get good, dependable support for that type of software. You can for Kermit. By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you. But you have to leave administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have moved on to something else, we will still need to be here. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 16:46:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:38:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:38:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!landau.math.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Sven Guckes Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: 24 Oct 95 16:46:46 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.math.fu-berlin.de (160.45.40.69) X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24617 comp.mail.elm:18507 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3928 comp.os.linux.misc:80625 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christoph Zengerling writes: >if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. >Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, >the other the header. Huh? Which version of ELM is that? >What I want is to send my mail using kermit... "kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. Check out smail or sendmail - whatever your system uses. Anyway, if ELM doesn't work - use "mail(1)". Sven Cc: Christoph Zengerling -- ELM - the "Easy Learn Mail" program. Newsgroup: comp.mail.elm The "ELM Pages" - all about ELM on the World Wide Web: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/ ELM versions: Latest release: ELM2.4PL24 [940920] Latest ME patch: ELM2.4PL24ME8b [951012] Latest alpha: ELM2.5a08 [950908] -- http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/.signature From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 23 12:49:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:13:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:13:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct23.184929.64638@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Oct 95 18:49:29 MDT References: <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: > Hello out there, > I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question. > > mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 > keyboard type. At present I'm using kermit to map the > PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal. > This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping. > > The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected > to the vax? I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and > and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then > goes back into the emulation mode. > > > *** Tony *** > higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk > London, England ------------- Command SET KEY, as all Kermit commands, is executed at the Kermit prompt, not while talking in Connect mode (because keystrokes go to the remote host at that stage). You would do well to read both the user's manual (see the book title on screen two of the MSK Help command) and the current release notes. They explain how to assign a macro name to a Connect mode key and what happens when that key is pressed (it can do what you want). Hint: set key \keyident {\kmacro-name} Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 01:14:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:22:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:22:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 28 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The company that I work for just recently outsourced our asynchronous dial-in network to CompuServe. Our customers dial into a CompuServe node, which then connects them to a Renex ASCII (VT102) to IBM 3270 protocol converter. The Renex box is Token-Ring connected to our VTAM network via a TIC attached 3745. The mainframe Kermit is running on our VM systems. We are using version 4.3.0 in XA mode. When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can download, just not upload. Most of our people are using Procomm Plus (DOS or the Windows version), but I've also been able to duplicate the problem using CKermit for OS/2 and HyperAccess/5 for OS/2. When I use the SET DEBUG option, I see that initial Kermit parameters are exchanged, but once the PC starts to send the file, VM Kermit never receives anything. I suspect that the problem might be with the Renex protocol converter, but I'm hoping that it might just be some easy parameter change that needs to be set. Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 15:02:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:22:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:22:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit display be turned off? Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:02:06 -0500 Organization: Tulane University Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs5.tcs.tulane.edu In-Reply-To: kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com's message of 24 Oct 1995 00:18:52 GMT X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.85 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "KMH" == Kathleen M House writes: KMH> Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine KMH> generated commands? Any help is greatly appreaciated. Try "set input echo off" and "set script echo off". I'm not sure if both of these are really necessary, but I think so. KMH> My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows. The commands I gave are for C-Kermit; I imagine they're ok for newish versions of MS-DOS Kermit, as well. -- Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Many amused Yanomamo onlookers quickly learned the English phrase | 'Oh, Shit!', and, once they discovered that the phrase offended and | irritated the missionaries, they used it as often as they could in | their presence" -- Napoleon Chagnon, _Yanomamo_ | From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 22:40:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:59:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:59:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:40:20 -0700 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 18 Message-Id: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at both ends of the Kermit transfer. I really need this to work better, otherwise I'm going to have to hack up MSIXSE.C to spit out commands for NCSA FTP. At the current speed of Kermit, it would take an entire 8-hour day to transfer one WORM disk side to the HP, and we have 35 disks. -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 22:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:13:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:13:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:12:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, Stephen Walton wrote: >I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is >running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't >expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with >Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA >FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET >FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at >both ends of the Kermit transfer. > There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". Let TCP and IP take care of it. Fourth is the TELNET overhead. When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention pty drivers and who knows what else. It might be an interesting experiment to eliminate the TELNET overhead. You can do this as follows: 1. Start MS-DOS Kermit first. Tell it to "set tcp host *" and then "server". 2. Make a connection from C-Kermit on the HP to the PC: "set host xxx" where xxx is the IP name or address of the PC. Then initiate all the file transfers from the HP end. If you use big window size and packet length and the maximum possible control-character unprefixing: SET CONT PRE 0 1 13 255 (note the elimination of 17 and 19 because now you aren't doing Xon/Xoff any more.) I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how this goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 24 21:21:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:59:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:59:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: mario.r@ix.netcom.com (Mario Rivera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KdecF11 problems Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:21:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-Id: <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-den10-21.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Tue Oct 24 2:21:18 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key. I'm primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the rest will follow once F1 is figured out. I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively. This works great and I would like to do the same using 3.14. All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business. I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on 3.00. When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work. I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When I set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11, the SHOW KEY shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work. I've played around with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work. I'm stumped. The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu). If anyone has any information for me, I would really appreciate it. It's so close yet so far... Thanks in advance. : ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 16:34:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:11:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:11:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 25 Oct 1995 16:34:20 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 18 Message-Id: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me. If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters when I do connect. I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem this way. does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit). Thanks, -- kagan From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 01:14:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:14:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KdecF11 problems Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <46mnco$r76@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Mario Rivera wrote: : I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the : F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key. I'm : primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the : rest will follow once F1 is figured out. : : I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate : KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively. This works great and I would like to do : the same using 3.14. All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine : on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business. : : I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on : 3.00. When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the : TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work. : I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When : I set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11, the SHOW KEY : shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work. I've played around : with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work. I'm : stumped. : : The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor : movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX : application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu). : Let's try to pin this down. According to the VT220 manual, the DEC F11 key is supposed to send: 23~ where CSI is "[" in 7-bit mode, or character 155 (decimal) in 8-bit mode. Experimentation shows that if you: set key \315 \KdecF11 and then you press the F1 key, then Kermit sends exactly the right characters. So the problem would seem to be elsewhere. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 01:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:18:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 21:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Kagan Tumer wrote: : I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a : quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me. : If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters : when I do connect. : : I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying : the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it : exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem : this way. : : does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling : the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit). : You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The command is ATE1. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 02:07:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:07:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:07:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter Date: 26 Oct 1995 02:07:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <46mqgh$qc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: >When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into >an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in >through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can >download, just not upload. This is characteristic of a very simple problem, but a problem that may not have a completely satisfactory solution. The fact that downloads work fine suggests that you are exceeding some inbound buffer limit when you try to upload. The fix is to issue SET REC PACKET subcommands to the mainframe Kermit with smaller and smaller values until you get a value that allows transfers to work. This results in less efficient transfers than you had before, but at least you get the files across! John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 20:06:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newspeak.ultratech.net!worldlinx.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: why 2 VT100 fonts for mackermit Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:06:26 GMT Organization: UCSB Lines: 10 Message-Id: <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.111.124.34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input helpful!!!! Julianne Reich MacOs: It's not just for breakfast anymore. Julianne Reich 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 23:56:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:59:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:59:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:56:37 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 61 Message-Id: <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-03.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Wed Oct 25 4:56:37 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) writes: > >In <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >(Frank da Cruz) writes: >> >>In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, >>David Pollack wrote: >>: C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked >>: with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS >and >>: unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want >to >>: keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init >file >>: so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with >the >>: form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. >>: >>How about this: >> >> take \v(inidir)filename.tak >> >>\v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the >directory >>from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed, >framed >>suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc. >> >>: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is >>: anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, >Windows >>: NT, and OS/2 >>: >>They are very compatible, despite some differences. I don't know >exactly >>how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our best >to >>reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS >Kermit >>you have, the fewer incompatibilities. If you have questions about >specific >>features, feel free to post them. >> >>- Frank > > >I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms >version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow >C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an >additional option to get it? > >Sol Gongola woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about C-kermit. Sol From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 00:14:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:13:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:13:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Date: 26 Oct 1995 00:14:44 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 0 Message-Id: <46mjtk$ome@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-03.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Wed Oct 25 5:14:44 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 12:39:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:40:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:40:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: why 2 VT100 fonts for mackermit Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:39:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <46nvir$1gq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34>, Julianne Reich <9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu.> wrote: : Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in : some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input : helpful!!!! : The Mac Kermit font situation is explained in total detail in the file ckmker.fon in the kermit/f area on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 12:47:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:47:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:47:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:47:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : >>How about this: : >> : >> take \v(inidir)filename.tak : > : >I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms : >version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow : >C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an : >additional option to get it? : : woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about : C-kermit. : Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all. Delusions of compatibility. We'll try to have it in the next release. In the meantime, there are a couple other variables that might come in handy: \v(directory) - The current directory \v(home) - Your home directory - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 15:59:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:44:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:44:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!news.cerf.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:59:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 36 Message-Id: <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: : series 700 machine. The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is : running C-Kermit 5A(190). The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't : expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with : Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA : FTP. SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET : FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at : both ends of the Kermit transfer. Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how many windows were used, and what packet size was used. You might need more than four windows, but probably not. What I found a while back is that my UNIX box had an 8-bit 3C503 card, and kermit transfers were very poor, although FTP was good (Novell LAN FTP). With my current mix of 16 and 32 bit ether cards, the Windows-for-Workgroups FTP, the Zmodem/Kermit/FTP in ProcommPlus, and MSKermit 3.14 all transer at good rates. FTP is the fastest of the bunch, but Kermit is not off by much. You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of data. "set file display fullscreen", which normally is so informative on a modem connection, wastes a lot of time at high transfer speeds. And if all else fails, try XSEND, a utility available on columbia, intended for use with Kermit, that will also spit out ftp command sets, to transfer an entire hierarchy. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 10:50:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!io.org!winternet.com!ppp-66-175.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:02:53 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-66-175.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >as has happened with lots of other software. That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to use. I have also looked through the code for C-Kermit when I have had problems and identified bugs or coded better solutions. The bugs have been corrected and some of the suggestions have been accepted; others haven't. The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code it yourself and send it in. If it is a good idea, the chances of it being selected are good. If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot use it. One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant. If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a good thing. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 14:58:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:58:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:58:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:58:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <46o7mj$68c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, >David Pollack wrote: >: woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about >: C-kermit. >: >Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all. Delusions of compatibility. >We'll try to have it in the next release. In C-Kermit the way to do this is to use: asg _inifile \v(cmdfile) ; Get directory where this file is kept... asg _inidirlen \feval(\flength(\m(_inifile))-11) asg _inidir \fsubstr(\m(_inifile),1,\m(_inidirlen)) Then you can reference \m(_inidir) wherever you need \v(inidir) Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 10:02:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:10:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!uknet!galint.com!usenet From: phil.launchbury@galint.com (Phil Launchbury) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:02:28 GMT Organization: Galileo International Lines: 33 Message-Id: <46l8tp$6hd@firewall.galint.com> References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> Reply-To: phil.launchbury@galint.com Nntp-Posting-Host: launcap.galint.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24694 comp.mail.elm:18535 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3946 comp.os.linux.misc:80876 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sven Guckes wrote: >Christoph Zengerling writes: >>if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. >>Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, >>the other the header. >Huh? Which version of ELM is that? It's not elm at all.. elm is a mail reader - it does not handle the mail transport at all.. /var/spool/mqueue is the queue directory used by sendmail & the files that you have described are the standard files that sendmail creates. One assumes that what is happening is that you are originating the mail in elm & handing it off to sendmail >>What I want is to send my mail using kermit... >"kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..) Phil. |--------------------------------------------------------| | Phil Launchbury | | Email : phil.launchbury@galint.com (Work) | | : phil@catsoft.demon.co.uk (Home) | | Those who think they cannot succeed will not. | |--------------------------------------------------------| From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 19:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:32:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:32:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!rochester!cornellcs!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with PC to HP/UX file transfers Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:24:44 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using a wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users. Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP has not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 20:30:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:59:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:59:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 26 Oct 1995 20:30:37 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 11 Message-Id: <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table : I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS : Kermit". : The command is ATE1. tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though. -- kagan From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 13:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with PC to HP/UX file transfers Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <46qml2$dce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, PGassman wrote: : I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running : HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using : a wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no : significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I : began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users. : Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated : timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the : workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP : has not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any : assistance would be greatly appreciated. : For lack of any indication to the contrary, I assume you are using the very old 4E(072) version of C-Kermit because that is what most users of HP-UX versions prior to 10.0 have. The current version of C-Kermit, 5A(190), should work just fine on HP-UX 9.03 (and all other HP-UX versions), since it was explicitly developed for the various HP-UX platforms. For further information, point your Web browser at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 13:28:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:28:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:28:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry) Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:28:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <46qmp7$df0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <46mnk0$rh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Kagan Tumer wrote: :: You don't even need the modem manual for this one. Just look in Table :: I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS :: Kermit". : :: The command is ATE1. : :tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though. : Then: a. You have a VERY STRANGE modem, or: b. Your PC is suffering from "can talk but not listen" syndrome, which is described at length in the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, section 6. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 10:45:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:53:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:53:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!ucthpx!news From: Obie Oberholster Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Remote Printing Date: 25 Oct 1995 10:45:31 GMT Organization: University of Cape Town Lines: 22 Message-Id: <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.sfri.ac.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP20) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all. I have a question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can help me solve. We have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and a 486 DOS PC at a remote site. A printer is connected to the remote "DOS" site. The two sites are connected via modem. The "DOS" site has kermit installed on it. Now for the problem. We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX site on the DOS site's printer. Is there a way with kermit to do this, and if so, how do you do it. Even a reference to a site with kermit FAQ's will help. The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually "unattended". The XENIX site would like to print orders at the warehouse "automatically", so that the workers can just pick up the printout, and ship the order. Any ideas will be welcome. Please e-mail replies to obie@elan.sfri.ac.za Thank you for your time Obie Oberholster From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 25 23:59:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:02:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24081 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:02:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!rug.nl!peter From: peter@nvsf1.phys.rug.nl (Peter Smulders) Subject: Re: Sending mail with elm&kermit Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.elm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Lines: 23 Sender: root@rug.nl (Operator) Nntp-Posting-Host: nvsf1.phys.rug.nl Organization: NVSF Rijksuniversiteit Groningen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <46glem$8pn@eurybia.rz.uni-konstanz.de> <46l8tp$6hd@firewall.galint.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:59:37 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.mail.misc:24729 comp.mail.elm:18547 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3952 comp.os.linux.misc:80971 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Phil Launchbury (phil.launchbury@galint.com) wrote: > Sven Guckes wrote: > >Christoph Zengerling writes: > >>What I want is to send my mail using kermit... > >"kermit" isn't for sending mails. MTAs are. > In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..) Program Kermit does have a command MAIL, but I don't understand why anyone would want to use this facility. It does not even have an option to put in a Subject line. What I understand is that you have a Kermit on host A, in command mode, talking to a Kermit on host B in server mode. Then from host A, you can give a command MAIL , and the file will be sent from A to B using the kermit protocol, and subsequently e-mailed from host B to recipient, presumably by calling 'mail' or 'sendmail'. -- Peter From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 18:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:11:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:11:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Remote Printing Date: 27 Oct 1995 18:11:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <46r7cr$rfk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>, Obie Oberholster wrote: : I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all. I have a : question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can help me solve. We : have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and a : 486 DOS PC at a remote site. A printer is connected to the remote "DOS" : site. The two sites are connected via modem. The "DOS" site has kermit : installed on it. : : Now for the problem. We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX : site on the DOS site's printer. Is there a way with kermit to do this, : and if so, how do you do it. Even a reference to a site with kermit : FAQ's will help. The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually : "unattended". The XENIX site would like to print orders at the : warehouse "automatically", so that the workers can just pick up the : printout, and ship the order. : Follow the directions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", for making the PC the remote computer, and put it server mode. You can protect it with a password, etc, if you want to. Now C-Kermit on the Xenix computer can place a call to the PC's modem and then simply: send prn More info about Kermit manuals and Kermit itself at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 03:21:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!hookup!nic.ott.hookup.net!noc.tor.hookup.net!ve3ied!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:21:28 GMT References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. >Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through >November 30, 1995: > . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. > Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. > . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. > The cost of each call is $25.00 > . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at > sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. >Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: > . On the Web. > . By netnews. > . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs. Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario SCO & Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 03:11:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:35:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Message-Id: <1995Oct26.091118.64958@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 95 09:11:18 MDT References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >>Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: >> >>: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network. My >>: SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.] >>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? > > It's in there; I left it off the list. > >>After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how >>many windows were used, and what packet size was used. > > The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use, > and 2000-byte packets are also being used. > >>You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of >>data. > > Ah. I remember reading that but had forgotten. It is significant for > C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant > for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit? Even so, it is hard to > believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it > a try. Thanks. --------------- Formatted (file transfer) screens do cost a little with MSK too, but very little unless very high speeds (or an unusually slow video system) are used. As a guide on inherent speed as seen at my site, MSK on a 486-66 gets about 80+KB/sec for file transfers to our campus DEC Alpha cluster, upon which CKermit is running. This is over Telnet (Ethernet topology) and no unprefixing done and the display left drawing its bar across the screen. Sort of out of the box MSK but with 1KB packets and 4 window slots. CKermit was running in server mode on the Alphas, and it had no separate screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 26 03:47:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:34:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:47:26 -0700 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 26 Message-Id: <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote: > >: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network. My >: SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.] >Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? It's in there; I left it off the list. >After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how >many windows were used, and what packet size was used. The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use, and 2000-byte packets are also being used. >You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of >data. Ah. I remember reading that but had forgotten. It is significant for C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit? Even so, it is hard to believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it a try. Thanks. -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 21:24:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:24:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:24:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 27 Oct 1995 21:24:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <46rilg$8ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net> <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well? > > It's in there; I left it off the list. No, you *don't* need to change the SEND packet size. That is controlled by the receiving Kermit. The only purpose for setting the SEND packet size is to reduce it below what the receiver asks for (or to specify the size if the receiving Kermit is so primitive that it doesn't ask). John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 21:44:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:04:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 27 Oct 1995 16:44:08 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 24 Message-Id: <46rjr8$6du@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com> <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >Kermit is free. But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be >copyrighted. Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean >that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not >without the author's consent). Kermit is only free if you go get it yourself. I suppose if you are a university you can get away with telling the students they have to do it themselves. The rest of the world can't so people end up using something else and you can't count on finding kermit on the other end of a file transfer anymore. >The philosophy didn't change, just the times. It just doesn't seem like the old days when each release would have contributions from at least dozens of sources. I don't think there has been a general decline in free software. The other contributors have just moved to items with less restricted distribution. Why give something away if the people who need it can't use it? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 17:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:11:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:11:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!delmarva.com!news-out.internetmci.com!internetMCI!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!jaxnet.jaxnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:29:25 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 43 Message-Id: <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: gbernard@dbc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) wrote: >In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software. >>Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through >>November 30, 1995: >> . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595. >> Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute. >> . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126. >> The cost of each call is $25.00 >> . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at >> sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses. >>Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows: >> . On the Web. >> . By netnews. >> . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. >Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with >what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to >a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while >providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs. I agree. I have the manual and work out as much as I can, and use the USENET group when my internal brain death takes over ;-) >Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this >new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves >from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an excellent example of such. gb Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com 1900 South Norfolk Street All opinions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo CA 94403 From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 11:20:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:17:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:17:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:20:49 CDT From: Message-Id: <95300.162049U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter References: <46mqgh$qc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had somewhat similar problems with a Renex protocol converter and communications between a Unix-based C-Kermit and MVS/TSO Kermit at my last client. As for you, the difficulties emerged when moving to the Renex from another brand (which name I forget). In any case, I discovered the following things when asked to help out: 1) Renex doesn't recommend use of XON/XOFF flow-control at speeds above 9600 baud, and told me that they were going to remove it as a configuration option for higher-speed ports in the future. I think that 9600 is a general cutoff for software flow-control use in most environments, at least informally. So use RTS/CTS flow-control if at all possible. It's also faster. 2) Remember that flow-control is without meaning on the IBM mainframe side of the protocol converter. RS232 flow-control, that is. Communications are SNA/SDLC from that point to MVS/TSO Kermit, which communicates with tput, and has therefore no control over flow. 3) As a corollary to (2), if your modems have an option to pass flow-control thru the phone or WAN connection so as to achieve application-to-application flow-control, DISABLE it, at least if you are using a reasonably recent mode such as V.42. All that matters is that the Renex control flow to its local modem, and that the host on the other end of the line do the same to its local modem. The modems will take care of the rest. The modems in my situation were Motorola Codex's (if memory serves...), they had this option, and disabling it was one of the keys to the solution. 4) Renex had some internal port monitoring software which we made a little use of (as does Kermit, of course). I found Renex tech support to be quite capable and helpful, once I got their attention. Unlike some vendors, they took Kermit seriously and were interested in catering to Kermit users. Hope this helps....Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Just another roller-bearing | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | ...in the Data Warehouse | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 16:14:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 12:59:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 12:59:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 28 Oct 1995 11:14:10 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 42 Message-Id: <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , JamesSturdevant wrote: >In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >>as has happened with lots of other software. > >That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to >MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to >use. Yes, you can give it back to Columbia. You can't give the modified copies to your friends. >The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code >it yourself and send it in. If it is a good idea, the chances of it being >selected are good. If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot >use it. I've done that. You'll find my name among the large list of contributors to the unix version. I still can't give copies to the people who need it. I can't count on kermit being available on other systems I call because it can't be included in distributions. I probably won't do it again. >One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is >that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant. >If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the >various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that >having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a >good thing. I agree in terms of having a single point of control, but I don't see how allowing free distribution hurts any of the GNU or BSD code. Yes, it is a massive job and I don't object to having commercial versions. I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all the new bells and whistles. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 14:46:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:54:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:54:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT300 terminal emulation Message-Id: <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi> Date: 27 Oct 95 15:46:34 +0100 Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation: 1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at a time? 2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that? Thank you --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 18:32:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:10:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:10:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Sothamith Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with C-Kermit & the modem device Date: 26 Oct 1995 13:32:38 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 24 Distribution: na Message-Id: <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000 with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt. We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing 'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change this. I have searched desperately though my Using C-Kermit book by da Cruz and Gianone-- to no avail. If anyone has any suggestions I sure would appreciate an email, or a reply to this posting. Thanks -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Boyer chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu 612-772-2966 H ------------- Mike_Boyer@notes.pw.com 612-830-4831 W Where there is the necessary technical skill to move mountains, there is no need for the faith that moves mountains. -Eric Hoffer, U.S. philosopher From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 13:07:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT300 terminal emulation Message-Id: <1995Oct28.190758.65236@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 19:07:58 MDT References: <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi>, meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) writes: > Hello! > > I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation: > > 1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no > longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because > PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp > to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at > a time? > > 2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer > a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that? > --------- Don't bother with vt300.ini. The bare MSK does a very nice job of all this. You can review vt300.ini and see if there are parts you wish to keep or modify. Please have a look at the documentation on keyboard verbs. You will find \kholdscrn. That shows too if you say SET KEY, press any key, then press ? for the definition (see choices). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 13:10:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:51:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit Message-Id: <1995Oct28.191040.65237@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 19:10:39 MDT References: <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>, etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk writes: > It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from > somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS > to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit! > What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received. > --Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk ----------- None offered on such skimpy evidence. I presume you have considered the file size and the speed of your modem connection and made the appropriate calculations about how long it takes. The release documentation offers many helpful words of advice on performance selections. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 26 22:03:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:10:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 26 Oct 95 18:03:44 -0400 References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu> <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: SNIP.... > > What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way > into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. There is > Les Mikesell Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would have been fixed... i'm glad i run another type system looking at stuff like that. no flames please, just my humble opinion that may and probably is wrong. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 11:26:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Message-Id: <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Oct 95 17:26:19 MDT References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article , > JamesSturdevant wrote: >>In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >>>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve >>>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away >>>as has happened with lots of other software. >> >>That isn't true. In the past few years, I have added a number of features to >>MS-Kermit. I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to >>use. > > Yes, you can give it back to Columbia. You can't give the modified copies > to your friends. > >>The point is that if you have an ideaFrom news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 19:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:44:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!qmw!unl.ac.uk!ETX8PIGGOTL From: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit Date: 28 Oct 1995 19:01:02 GMT Organization: University of North London. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: clstr.unl.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit! What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received. --Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk rsions. > I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or > some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely > available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all > the new bells and whistles. ---------- Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues, users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as you know and seemingly wish to avoid. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 05:29:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:30:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:30:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maximum transfer speed Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:29:00 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 34 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is quite random but the phone noise is there). On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else is as-is. Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length beyond 371! Oh well... If anyone has suggestions or insights, please e-mail me. I'm not really familiar with kermit so pleae bear with me. TIA ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many Mac users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None -- there is no icon for that. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 27 04:32:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:03:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:03:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup on receive Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:32:24 EDT Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 22 Message-Id: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's one that's got me stumped: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It seems when I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up. I didn't have this problem at 2400 bps on the internal modem in my PowerBook 145, but of course I'd rather not have to go back to using the slower modem. I've read the FAQ and Using C-Kermit and tried everything that I can think of: setting speed matching off as well as on, tried all possible parity settings, etc. Is there something I'm not doing. This problem occurs with Mac-Kermit 0.991(190) and 0.992(192). I have edit 188, but haven't tried it, since I'm fairly certain that it will happen there as well. Oh, and you'd probably also like to know that this is happening while trying to download from VM/CMS on an IBM 3090 mainframe through a series 1 protocol converter. Anyone have any suggestions? And I'm supposed to be fixing MacKermit! :-) +----------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Jason Stephenson | "Curiouser and curiouser," | | jjstep00@ukcc.uky.edu | said Alice. | +----------------------------+-----------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 11:47:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:47:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:46:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Oct29.174729.65311@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 17:47:29 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us writes: > This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. > > I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not > robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the > I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit > and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I > cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the > maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a > Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer > error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is > quite random but the phone noise is there). > > On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, > I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else > is as-is. > > Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit > (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length > beyond 371! Oh well... ------------ Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber packet" heuristic. In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control, flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes. The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes. The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2 end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not drop bytes under load. Hopefully in this list will be something which applies. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 15:40:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 29 Oct 1995 15:40:42 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 43 Message-Id: <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:113425 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3973 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com>, Peter Mikalajunas wrote: > >We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system. > >When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files >to other users via C-Kermit. Unfortunately the files are being >trashed. > >On the VMS side, I have: >SET FILE TYPE BINARY ^^^^^^ >SET BUFFERS 32000 32000 >SET REC PACK 4096 >SET SEND PACK 4096 >SET PARITY SPACE >SET FILE BYTE 7 >... >The files are mainly zipped archives. The files upload and download ^^^ >ok. But zip reports an error when unzipping. The file size is ok, but >the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process. I have checked >and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed >archive. Ack! You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you? Quoting from the file... ----begin quote FILE TRANSFER File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". ----end quote ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret as text type files. You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 02:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!feeley From: feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Feeley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can kermit output key combos? Date: 29 Oct 1995 02:49:19 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 19 Message-Id: <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language. I have set up kermit to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that comes as is. For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul" language interpreter TSR. To activate or deactivate it one must press --. I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that unloads any TSRs before loading another. There is a bug however. If DANSI is activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering from this once it happens. What I would like to do is with all other "F" key kermit scripts, have kermit "type" -- to first deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs. This would eliminate the screen mess. -- -Jeff feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 02:18:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:56:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can kermit output key combos? Message-Id: <1995Oct29.081806.65270@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 08:18:06 MDT References: <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Feeley) writes: > Hello > I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be > able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language. I have set up kermit > to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that > comes as is. For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul" > language interpreter TSR. To activate or deactivate it one must press > --. I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that > unloads any TSRs before loading another. There is a bug however. If DANSI is > activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it > while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering > from this once it happens. What I would like to do is with all other "F" key > kermit scripts, have kermit "type" -- to first > deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs. This would eliminate > the screen mess. -------------- As I interpret your message the DANSI TSR uses hot key combo and that would be the TSR trapping keyboard information beneath the BIOS. Kermit does not bypass the keyboard BIOS, and it never "feeds" information down there to percolate upward. So the answer to the question is no, Kermit can't do what you want. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 04:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:24:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:24:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 29 Oct 1995 04:57:28 GMT From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03455@niftyserv.or.jp, agcO3455@niftyserv.or.jp, abb03396@niftyserv.or.jp, nak@sinnica.edu.tw, chu@aoone.net.au, jtw@dialicks.co.nz, hary@nitec.ac.jp, leeni@osaka.ac.jp, gar@unee.edu, seng@pl.my, toxO4994@niftyserv.or.jp, chiu@pll.my, ben@I.net (Yoshio Koseki) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pup,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish,comp.publish.cdrom,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime,comp.research,comp.research.japan,comp.risks,comp.robotics,comp.robotics.misc,comp.robotics.research,comp.security,comp.security.announce,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc,comp.security.unix,comp.simulation,comp.society,comp.society.cu-digest,comp.society.development Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 01:44:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:21:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:21:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.xnet.com!kd9fb From: kd9fb@flood.xnet.com (Peter Mikalajunas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 28 Oct 1995 01:44:15 GMT Organization: XNet - A Full Service Internet Provider - (708) 983-6064 Lines: 39 Message-Id: <46s1tf$mjh@flood.xnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: monsoon.xnet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system. When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files to other users via C-Kermit. Unfortunately the files are being trashed. On the VMS side, I have: SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET BUFFERS 32000 32000 SET REC PACK 4096 SET SEND PACK 4096 SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE BYTE 7 On the PC side, using MS-Kermit, I have: SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET REC PACK 4096 SET SEND PACK 4096 The files are mainly zipped archives. The files upload and download ok. But zip reports an error when unzipping. The file size is ok, but the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process. I have checked and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed archive. Any help would be appreciated. Pete Mikalajunas kdf9b@xnet.com http://www.xnet.com/~kd9fb From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:17:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:15:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with C-Kermit & the modem device Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:15:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Distribution: na Message-Id: <472mlk$6l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Sothamith Chau wrote: : I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000 : with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and : leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will : receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt. : : We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of : the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by : using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing : 'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the : reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some : commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change : this. : This is an open problem. I don't think it's Kermit's "fault". There has been no end of trouble with ports on Solaris, particularly those that are set up for bidirectional use, when the same code (more or less) works on hundreds of other UNIX versions. According to one informant, there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes this; bug ID 1191317, and a corresponding patch 101720-02, but there is no corresponding patch for Solaris 2.4. It's not clear to me whether Sun acknowledges a bug in Solaris 2.4. Many people point out that the problem does not happen with TIP, CU, etc. But that, I believe, is because these are Sun products, which are either engineered to work around the problem, or are coded to use some API that we don't know about. Another informant supplies this hint (regarding TIP): "it opens the port, does an ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL...". Evidently XCLUDE is not documented anywhere, except in the header file that defines it: #define XCLUDE 0100000 /* *V7* Exclusive use coming from XENIX */ That's all I know. Further info would be appreciated, especially from anybody who has a Solaris 2.3 or 2.4 system and a bidirectional port who can try adding this flag and seeing what difference it makes. In the meantime, it seems the safest course is (as always) to avoid bidirectional port setups in Solaris (and most other UNIX variants) whenever possible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:25:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:27:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:25:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem file for MS-Kermit 3.14 and Compaq Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:25:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James K. Huggins wrote: >I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with >a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem. Any ideas out there as to >which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to >use with it? > >I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals >script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get >my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line. Just >wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to >know if there's a better choice. > I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a manual or even a reference card. We hear stories all too often of prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at all, but not even a brand name. So the poor user has no idea what to do with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows. The problem is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than full-function ones... Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems to support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:43:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:43:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <472oa2$12n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: >This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad. > >I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not >robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the >I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit >and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I >cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the >maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a >Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer >error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is >quite random but the phone noise is there). > >On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, >I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else >is as-is. > >Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit >(MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length >beyond 371! Oh well... > There is no such limit in MS-DOS Kermit -- probably this was an artifact of C-Kermit's buffer size divided by its window size. Just increase the buffer size appropriately before selecting the window and packet sizes. You can read all about this in the documentation. In general, any speed that can be achieved with Zmodem can also be achieved with Kermit on the same connection. Zmodem defaults are tuned for maximum speed; Kermit's are tuned for robustness. If Zmodem fails, you can change its defaults to add robustness features -- escaping, windowing, etc -- and if Kermit is too slow you can crank up its packet length and window size, and you can tell it not to escape any set of control characters. ZIP-file transfer speeds well in excess of 1600 bps are routinely achieved on the exact type of connection you have, using C-Kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX -- if you have an older version on HP-UX then you should install the current one. Lots more info on this subject in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:41:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:41:22 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 15 Message-Id: <472o6i$crs@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank, May I repost an excerpt from your recent post on the implications of abandoning text as our primary form of communication? With proper attribution of course. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 14:14:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:42:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:14:46 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 64 Message-Id: <472mkm$c85@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@news.columbia.edu) wrote: : Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the : Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration, : mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and : innovation. "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all : kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc. Most of this content : came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information, : messages, email, conferences, etc. : Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information : Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism. Which is not : a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and : deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast : resources of content. : But at the same, the net became "easy to use". To grossly simplify what : this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode; : rather, one passively points and clicks on things. Most of the modern net : access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than : add things to it. It's as if the content had become frozen in time, : except, of course, for all the commercial offerings. It's like a museum, : in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the : gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money. Soon, even the items : on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing : but an electronic shopping mall. : There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the : effect that "text is dead". I, for one, would like to think calmer heads : will prevail. NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can : think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some : specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become : obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace. : Take e-mail as an example. Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit : ASCII form of exchange? Because nothing else works. Everything else, at : best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does : not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at : worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems. : 200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message : forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media, : nobody will have any trouble reading it. I don't think you can say the : same for any other form of electronically stored information. : Which brings us back to the original posting. Internet Service Providers : should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net : text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep : adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value" : happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-) : - Frank Well said! May I upload this elsewhere as rebuttal to the mouseaholics? With proper attribution, of course. Thanks, Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 16:55:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:40:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:40:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.net!supernet.net!patf From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8) Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:55:42 GMT Organization: SuperNet Lines: 6 Message-Id: <47302e$ho0@news.supernet.net> References: <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com> <465r5b$iol@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <472o6i$crs@news.supernet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: supernet.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Arrrrggggghhhhhhhhh.........sorry for the multiple posts (and email). Our news server has been a bit weird the last few days. Oh, well. Pat -- Pat Fogarty patf@supernet.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 22:13:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Linux binary needed Date: 30 Oct 1995 22:13:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <473ilh$m0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help with this? I find the idea of a Linux system with no compiler a little strange, but maybe that's the new way... (If you have a binary that fits these requirements, you can upload it to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/incoming -- in binary mode, of course). Thanks! - Frank Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:45:53 -0500 (CDT) From: alissa fill Subject: Kermit I need a linux binary for kermit, but the versions that are on the site kermit.columbia.edu are compiled for an older library than I have and I am unable to use it. I have libc.so.5.0.9 for Linux (slackware) and libc.so.5 is linked to it. Your compilation requires libc.so.4, but as I do not have that older version it gives me an error. I even tried making a link called libc.so.4 to my library file but it did not work. If you could please compile a version that would work on my linux system it would be much appreciated. I do not have any linux compilers so I am unable to do it myself. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 20:23:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:18:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:18:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit freezes when inactive Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:23:46 GMT Lines: 26 Message-Id: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone seen anything like this? I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP. It communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and winpkt.com. Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS window under Windows 3.1. Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and even use other sessions. If I give the hangup command, however, the cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will lock up solid. If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot. If I'm in Windows, I can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up). I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone line, and this lockup never happens. It is not being caused by an inactivity time-out at the other end. It only happens with MSKermit; I also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this happen. Does anyone have a clue? I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 22:05:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:43:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:43:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS Date: 29 Oct 1995 14:05:51 -0800 Organization: Pacifier, public access Internet site. 360-693-0325 Lines: 55 Message-Id: <470trv$g9@pacifier.com> References: <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com> <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:113455 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3985 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Tim Shoppa wrote: > >Ack! You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you? >Quoting from the file... > >----begin quote > >FILE TRANSFER > >File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when >sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored >when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE >IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". > >----end quote > True enough. However, this holds for files being send *from* the VMS system. I believe in this case the files are being send *to* the VMS system. > >ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret >as text type files. You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. > Not necessarily. ZIP2.01 produces zipfiles which have fixed 512-byte-length records which is the same as C-Kermit's default binary mode on a VMS system. Some earlier versions of ZIP *did* use STREAM_LF mode, however. But, as I averred above, isn't all thie irrelevant since the original poster is sending files *to* the VMS system, in which case they should come out fixed, 512-byte record-length files and the versions of Info-zip's UNZIP currently available should be able to handle this just fine. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... The usefulness of a meeting is inversely proportional to its attendance. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 29 08:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:45:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes when inactive Message-Id: <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Oct 95 14:34:51 MDT References: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Has anyone seen anything like this? > > I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP. It > communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and > winpkt.com. Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS > window under Windows 3.1. > > Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the > connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. > Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and > even use other sessions. If I give the hangup command, however, the > cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will > lock up solid. If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot. If I'm in Windows, I > can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to > access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it > will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up). > > I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone > line, and this lockup never happens. It is not being caused by an > inactivity time-out at the other end. It only happens with MSKermit; I > also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this > happen. > > Does anyone have a clue? I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one. ------------ The clue resides in the other half of the connection story: the remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux system then please be aware that some such lose their ARP cache and fail to communicate after the timeout. You should also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't have it (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip). The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to a proper TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of minutes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:00:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:00:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news3.net99.net!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes when inactive Date: 30 Oct 1995 17:53:12 GMT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4733e8$571@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # The clue resides in the other half of the connection # story: the remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux # system then please be aware that some such lose their ARP # cache and fail to communicate after the timeout. You should # also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't have it # (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file # msvibm.zip). # # The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to # a proper TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of # minutes. My first move was to get the May 21 kermit.exe, and that seems to have solved the problem on its own. Thanks for the quick response. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 13:44:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:21:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury!puff From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:44:46 GMT Organization: Interpath -- Providing Internet access to North Carolina Lines: 32 Message-Id: <472kse$kqr@redstone.interpath.net> References: <46qntv$65q@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Stow (dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: : I posted this question and I'd like to thank everyone who answered and to : share some of the answers in case others are having the same problem. Hiya David, Might I add another possibility to the list? (posting was down the other day when I first read the thread) I had a similar problem with another freenet. Actually a worse problem. Their unchangeable default was text mode. It was either uuencode (they did provide it) or find a workaround. I did find, however, that I was able to install a .kermrc (and elmrc) by mailing them to myself so as to be able (somewhat) to control my environment. I was able to use elm to move files around, edit them, and do a lot of other maintenance tasks without having to fiddle with their menuing system. The only downside is having to edit the file (or swap out the file) when needing to change transfer parameters. Like Clarence said, Elvis the vi clone for clones will do the conversion. It's a pretty good editor. Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.net pff@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 18:19:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:41:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:41:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem file for MS-Kermit 3.14 and Compaq Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:19:16 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 53 Message-Id: References: <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Oct 1995 14:25:07 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: [I wrote:] >I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with >a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem. Any ideas out there as to >which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to >use with it? >I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals >script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get >my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line. Just >wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to >know if there's a better choice. I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a manual or even a reference card. We hear stories all too often of prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at all, but not even a brand name. So the poor user has no idea what to do with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows. The problem is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than full-function ones... Sounds like my experience exactly. I did manage to get a reference manual from Compaq by writing and requesting one, which they sent for free. But the bloody manual assumes you know far more about the magic of modems than I do. (Sheesh. Every manual I have for this machine is either written for a novice who's never used a computer before or for a guru who knows everything there is to know about these systems. Is there no room for something in-between? Happily, I'd classify Kermit's documentation as one of those few in-between areas.) Besides, the option which "fixed" my problem (ATS35=0) isn't even *listed* in the manual I did get ... I found it in a bug report on Compaq's Web site. Gotta love them undocumented features. Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems to support. Well ... I'd send it to you, but it'd most likely be wrong, since the bloody documentation didn't list the feature I used. But to get back to the story: the default HAYES.SCR works fine, and tweaking PPI.SCR also seemed to work pretty well. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 30 06:14:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:05:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:05:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!io.org!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:14:20 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 64 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Oct29.174729.65311@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : > On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 : > end, I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and : > everything else is as-is. : > : > Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit : > (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length : > beyond 371! Oh well... : ------------ : Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A : packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose : for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is : dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber : packet" heuristic. : In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control, : flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your : machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem : flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote : host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be : carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes. Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: set file type binary set warning on set buffer 65536 65536 set window 24 set send packet 2048 set block-check 2 set flow none set flow rts With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. With MS-kermit, the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other : comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic : without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes. Yes, I did notice these are quite a weird beast. I can turn off the flow control but then everything will go to hell (lotza retries under kermit or z-modem -- y-modem g won't even work). : The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2 : end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not : drop bytes under load. The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a decent modem... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many Mac users does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None -- there is no icon for that. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 10:40:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:46:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:46:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!ischm From: ischm@inet.uni-c.dk (Henrik Mathorne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macro-keys in C-Kermit ? Date: 31 Oct 1995 10:40:00 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 20 Message-Id: <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS version, but I can't find anything on that subject in the "Using C-Kermit" book. (We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1) Thanks for any help Henrik Mathorne ISC A/S ischm@inet.uni-c.dk From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 14:16:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:17:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:17:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Macro-keys in C-Kermit ? Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:16:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <475b4q$9q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk>, Henrik Mathorne wrote: : : Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey : in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do : is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the : remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive : the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS : version, but I can't find anything on that subject in : the "Using C-Kermit" book. : (We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1) : Long question, short answer: no. The basic reason for this limitation is that UNIX versions of C-Kermit do not have direct access to the keyboard, and so they cannot "see" special keys (like F-keys, Alt-key combinations, arrow keys, editing keys, etc). Only "ASCII" keys are visible, and in general you need all of them to stand in for themselves. A bit more about this in item 24 of our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt An interesting project would be to add direct keyboard access capability to UNIX C-Kermit, so it could see keyboard scan codes rather than just ASCII values. However, the method for getting at scan codes would be: (a) Totally dependent on exactly which kind of computer and keyboard you have; (b) Totally dependent on the particular operating system and version (and UNIX C-Kermit supports about 400 different UNIX platforms); (c) Dependent on whether the OS even offers an API for getting at the keyboard (most don't). And even when these three conditions held, the result would still be inconsistent even on a particular computer, depending on whether you were at its console, logged in through a tty device, telnetted, rlogin'd, in an xterm window, or any of various other GUI-du-jour windows. Bringing this capability to all the variants of C-Kermit and keeping it up to date with new OS releases and hardware would be a full-time job. Still, it might be interesting to try it for a couple of high-profile workstations -- Sun, HP, RS/6000, Linux, ... But quite honestly, I have never seen documentation anywhere showing how to do this. If anybody wants to send hints, I'll be glad to add them to my pile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 14:33:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:33:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:33:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:33:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: : ... : Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before : giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: : : set file type binary : set warning on : set buffer 65536 65536 : set window 24 : set send packet 2048 : set block-check 2 : set flow none : set flow rts : : With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. : Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing control-characters. : With MS-kermit... : Which version? : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. : The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more like 55%, not 18%. : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : ... : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a : decent modem... : The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not bother with the Hayes-specific features. I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 03:04:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:39:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:39:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing Message-Id: <1995Oct31.090409.65474@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 09:04:09 MDT References: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: > Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the > VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, > the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. > > The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC > (under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which > is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed > is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should > be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make > sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to > the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in > the transmission. -------------- ALT-anything is not a control code and has no printable nor transmission code. It is strictly a keyboard indication peculiar to the IBM PC machine. I think you need to ask what the application wants to hear and then use Kermit's SET KEY command to assign that sequence to the ALT-T combination. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 16:48:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:22:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:22:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!news.vii.com!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: "Gary A. Foley" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 132 column support Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:48:44 GMT Organization: Orangeburg-Calhoun TECH College Lines: 6 Message-Id: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gfoley.org.tec.sc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 06:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:37:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:37:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 12:15:02 MDT References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 72 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Psychos 'R Us wrote: > : ... > : Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before > : giving it the command "server" and begin downloading: > : > : set file type binary > : set warning on > : set buffer 65536 65536 > : set window 24 > : set send packet 2048 > : set block-check 2 > : set flow none > : set flow rts > : > : With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. > : > Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing > control-characters. > > : With MS-kermit... > : > Which version? > > : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. > : > The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the > modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by > the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately > 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure > is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more > like 55%, not 18%. > > : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation > : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that > : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. > : ... > : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended > : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a > : decent modem... > : > The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used > at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, > 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the > planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows > how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer > rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows > enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not > bother with the Hayes-specific features. > > I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to > put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit > version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in > character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you > report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it > turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, > and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. > > - Frank --------- On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it. As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer. There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff), but it also runs without it. So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 14:13:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:13:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:13:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 1 Nov 1995 14:13:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <477vae$orj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>, Gary A. Foley wrote: >I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that >are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in >cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it >automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? > When posting questions like this, you should include enough information to allow us to answer them. At minimum, in this case, the version of Kermit you have (the current version is 3.14) and the type of video adapter. There are appoximately four cases: 1. There is no way to put your video adapter into 132-column mode. 2. Kermit switches between 80 and 132 column mode automatically based on its identification of the video adapter (evidently not the case on your PC). 3. Your video adapter supports 132 column mode but Kermit does not know the magic incantation for switching it, and so you you have set up the COLS132.BAT and COLS80.BAT files to do it. 4. 132 column mode can be simulated using graphics. This is all explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", as supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR files on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 04:50:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news3.net99.net!news.cais.net!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!vodka.intele.net!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to assign output of command to variable Date: 31 Oct 1995 04:50:22 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: green.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar to the following sh-style command: SomeVar=`ls` Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something like: define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work) i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 11:38:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:08:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP Control-codes missing Date: 31 Oct 95 11:38:11 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC (under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in the transmission. Any help greatly appreacieated - Tony - Howard Higgins higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk South Bank University London, England From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 16:05:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:05:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to assign output of command to variable Date: 1 Nov 1995 16:05:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4785sj$t74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: : I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. : I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar : to the following sh-style command: : : SomeVar=`ls` : : Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something : like: : : define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work) : : i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ? : Yes: open !read :LOOP read \%a ; Reads a line from output of the command if fail goto done ; This happens when the exits ; Here do whatever you want to do with the line goto loop :DONE In the example above, replace by whatever command you want to execute. See pages 269-272 of "Using C-Kermit" for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 23:35:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:39:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:39:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 31 Oct 1995 23:35:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 Message-Id: <476brh$49@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Gary A. Foley" writes: >I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that >are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in >cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it >automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? >(gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) There's no standard way to put a DOS display into 132-column mode. (On OS/2 with SVGA, you can say "mode co132,28") MSKermit expects (requires) you to insert the appropriate commands to put your particular display adapter into 132-column mode into the COLS132.BAT file to have 132-column support on DOS. If your PC is capable of running OS/2, C-Kermit for OS/2 supports 132-column. If your PC is capable of running Win95, I suspect you'd find Kermit95 does, too. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 13:45:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news.hebel.net!news.sics.se!news.kth.se!news.eunet.fi!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!seismo!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 01 Nov 1995 13:45:13 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 18 Message-Id: Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already have done this :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 22:04:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:04:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:04:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 1 Nov 1995 22:04:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it : seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the : same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. : : The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my : key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. : I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the : scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes : k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both : versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already : have done this :-). : Well, the Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit scan codes are different. After a lot of head-scratching, we decided the better course was to stick with the codes that are returned by the system, rather than mapping them to the MS-DOS Kermit equivalents. This allows a lot more flexibility and, perhaps more important, independence from differing keyboards (e.g. national ones) and keyboard drivers. However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what you are after: VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 23:08:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:24:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 07:24:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.graphics.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!csun.edu!galileo.csun.edu!not-for-mail From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Date: 1 Nov 1995 15:08:51 -0800 Organization: Cal State Northridge Dept. of Physics & Astronomy Lines: 52 Message-Id: <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu> References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: galileo.csun.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, >Stephen Walton wrote: >>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >>series 700 machine. >>... >>transfer speeds with >>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP. >There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the >hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s. In addition to everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead. However, copying the file to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up. That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives. >Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank >up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? No. >Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". >Let TCP and IP take care of it. Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer. Whenever I do 'set flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost. The specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit 5A(190), HP/UX 9.05. >Fourth is the TELNET overhead. When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 >into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention >pty drivers and who knows what else. It might be an interesting experiment >to eliminate the TELNET overhead. I followed your instructions on how to do this, and got the same slow transfers of 12 KB/s. >I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how >this goes. I hope so :-) . -- Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge "Be careful what you wish for; you might get it." swalton@csun.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 02:58:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:09:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:09:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit generate key-presses? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:58:50 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, all, I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key. I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program. The code executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little bell-ringer whenever I want it. Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the decimal code, and then echoing that code. For some reason, although the regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key name) for that decimal code. For example, echoing the code for F2 produces <<. When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the screen, the code does not execute. Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get one to execute in a batch program? Any help would be, as always, greatly appreciated. Kathleen House From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 17:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:35:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:35:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 2 Nov 1995 11:10:15 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 24 Message-Id: <47au1n$jjs@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues, >users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather >than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old >that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as >you know and seemingly wish to avoid. Perhaps we agree that the world would be a better place if every machine that communicates had a copy of the latest version of kermit on it. But we certainly disagree on the way to make that happen. Count the number of programs in a typical Linux or freeBSD distribution. You could say that the best way to maintain a system is to ftp each of those programs separately from it's home site tracking all the changes, but that isn't going to make it happen no matter how easy you claim it is for any single one. And, if you don't have ftp access it turns out not to be easy at all. People want/need packaged distributions, whether by ftp or cdrom or locally maintained archives where someone has tested the components with each other. Programs that can't be included just won't be put on a lot of systems. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 16:09:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:47:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:46:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!merlin.arc.nasa.gov!RAGOSTA From: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:09:23 GMT Organization: Aeroflightdynamics Directorate Lines: 32 Message-Id: <475hnj$dof@news.arc.nasa.gov> References: <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Reply-To: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: merlin.arc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: >Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the >VAX. I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000, >the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486 100MHz. You're kidding, right? "VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000" doesn't mean a thing. Of course, it IS Halloween. I will assume you mean VMS 5.5 running on a VAX 9000. >The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC >(under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which >is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed >is the 'T'. But what should happen is the title references should >be displayed within the application. Therefore I would like to make >sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to >the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in >the transmission. I think you're confused. First, "ALT" doesn't mean a thing to VMS. You either mean control/T or your Kermit has been programmed by someone to send some special sequence when alt/T is entered. If you mean control/T, this sequence is intercepted by the operating system if you have enabled control/T status display (it shows your CPU usage, memory, etc). SET NOCONTROL=T will stop this. If someone has programmed the alt/T sequence in Kermit (I'm not sure alt sequences can be defined, but if so it would be using the SET KEY command) it should show in your .INI file. Hope this helps a little. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 14:37:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:05:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!CTCnet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news-owego.endicott.ibm.com!news From: Shirley Kupst Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Changing Colors Date: 2 Nov 1995 14:37:31 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Owego Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: canada.endicott.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; AIX 2) X-Url: news://news-owego/comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit: I can successfully change the foreground, background and underscore colors using the set terminal color xx command. What I can't figure out is how to change other colors. In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite for DOS, the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option keys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the command prompt is red (this is also OK). However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need to change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. Any ideas??? --Shirley From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 22:44:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:44:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:44:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Changing Colors Date: 2 Nov 1995 22:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <47bhl3$1ev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>, Shirley Kupst wrote: : I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit: I can successfully : change the foreground, background and underscore colors using the set : terminal color xx command. What I can't figure out is how to change other : colors. In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite for DOS, : the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option keys : and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the command : prompt is red (this is also OK). : : However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed : to do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need : to change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to : change it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. : Kermit lets you set your normal foreground and background (and underscore simulation) colors that apply to ordinary text. Other effects are accomplished by the host application. In your case, it sounds like the application is sending explicit coloration escape sequences. If the host says "color this field blue", it'll be blue, no matter what your fore- and background colors are. You do have some slight degree of control, however, in that you can choose whether the foreground color is to be bright (bold) or normal: SET TERMINAL COLOR 3x 4x ; Normal SET TERMINAL COLOR 1 3x 4x ; Bright Maybe specifying (or not specifying) "bright" will make the difference. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 23:12:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:12:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:12:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fix for TSO Kermit Date: 2 Nov 1995 23:12:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <47bj9i$2j4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-TSO has been unable to set the working "directory" to a PDS ever since support was added for GDG's (almost three years). No one seems to have noticed until just recently. The fix is simple, at any rate. The fix: ./ * SC95283 - Fix PDS "prefix" (TSO) ./ R 01415600 $ 1415600 200 10/10/95 12:29:03 &KDATE SETC '95/10/10' @SC95283 ./ I 05085000 $ 5085100 100 10/10/95 15:37:19 LA 5,FSPTAB Use table for normal DSNAMEs @SC95283 With this update installed, it should once again be possible to CWD to a PDS (as in "CWD 'SYS1.MACLIB()'") and then send and receive members without having to give the DSN. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 08:29:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:51:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:51:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit generate key-presses? Message-Id: <1995Nov2.142956.65735@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Nov 95 14:29:56 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "Kathleen M. House" writes: > Hello, all, > I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key. Are you sure you really mean BATCH, as in DOS' .BAT files? If so then that has nothing to do with Kermit; it's entirely a DOS matter. Maybe you mean a Kermit Take file. Take files execute at the Kermit prompt level, not during terminal emulation (Connect mode). There is no keyboard fancy stuff at the Kermit prompt level. > I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and That's control code Control-g, binary 7. > piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program. The code > executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little > bell-ringer whenever I want it. > > Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the That is purely a terminal emulation matter. There is no association with Kermit prompt level nor DOS etc. > decimal code, and then echoing that code. For some reason, although the > regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and Look at those values. They are ASCII printable characters. Special keys are not printable. VTxxx function keys do not send simple fixed codes; they are terminal emulation state dependent items. Please do have a very careful look at file msvibm.vt in the Kermit distribution kit. > other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key > name) for that decimal code. For example, echoing the code for F2 > produces <<. When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the > screen, the code does not execute. > > Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get > one to execute in a batch program? Honestly, I have a big problem trying to understand what you are trying to accomplish. As mentioned above, DOS BATCH has nothing at all to do with Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 22:04:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:18:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:18:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!news.cc.ic.ac.uk!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: dtp@python.viper.net (DTP Products) Newsgroups: control,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4761nf$igc@python.viper.net> Control: cancel <4761nf$igc@python.viper.net> Date: 31 Oct 1995 22:04:45 GMT Organization: Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Usenetters Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk X-Subject: FREE $$$ MAKING SOFTWARE !!! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Death to Spam! From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 04:41:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:35:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:35:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!pegasus.ece.utexas.edu!kagan From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: direct dialup macros Date: 3 Nov 1995 04:41:21 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 16 Message-Id: <47c6hh$gtj@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.ece.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I'm having trouble with some macros concerning autodial-up with kermit. I'm just trying to have c-kermit automatically dial a number when a given file is called. However, although I can hear the modem dial, it ends up, out of the command mode and never makes a connection. Are there some sample macros on the net, and if so where? Thanks, kagan From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 22:00:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:58:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:58:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!maze.dpo.uab.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!terminator.ncts.navy.mil!usenet From: cwilliam@ncts.navy.mil (Chris Williams) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is kermit? Date: 31 Oct 1995 22:00:08 GMT Organization: N.C.T.S. Pensacola Lines: 5 Message-Id: <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL> Reply-To: cwilliam@ncts.navy.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: poseidon.ncts.navy.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find the source for Kermit? Chris From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 11:30:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:08:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:08:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Problem with \v(ttyfd) Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:30:10 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Below I show that I connect via kermit to a terminal server with a modem connected to it. I then startup another kermit and again want to connect to the modem, but this time, it fails (sometimes it even dumps core): C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. [/dev/tty@schilling]>set host pm-rouble 2501 Trying 193.72.83.74... [pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>c Connecting to host pm-rouble:2501. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. at OK (Back at schilling) [pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>run kermit -l \v(ttyfd) C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. [3@schilling]>c Connecting to 3. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect Can't read character: Bad file number (Back at schilling) [3@schilling]> Many thanks if you could point me to a solution! Martin Lichtin Olsen & Associates AG Research Institute for Applied Economics T +41 1 3864848 F +41 1 4222282 Seefeldstr. 233, CH-8008 Zurich, Switzerland From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 03:42:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:04:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed Message-Id: <1995Nov2.094204.65699@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Nov 95 09:42:04 MDT References: <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu> <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: > In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>, >>Stephen Walton wrote: >>>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying >>>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP >>>series 700 machine. >>>... >>>transfer speeds with >>>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP. > >>There are several potential bottlenecks. First, of course, is the >>hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow. > > Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I > wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and > see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s. In addition to > everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it > has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead. However, > copying the f le to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up. > That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and > MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives. > >>Second would be the Kermit protocol settings. What happens if you crank >>up the window size and packet length? Does it make a difference? > > No. > >>Third is flow control. Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none". >>Let TCP and IP take care of it. > > Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer. Whenever I do 'set > flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost. The > specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the > latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit > 5A(190), HP/UX 9.05. NE-1000's are 8-bit Ethernet boards and are hardly suitable for today's swift traffic. Are you really on an 8088 machine? If not please try an NE-2000 16-bit board. NCSA doesn't make Packet Drivers. Perhaps you mean Crynwr Collection Packet Drivers. The indication of loss of comms when XON/XOFF flow control is turned off is a dead giveaway for the Ethernet board (the NE-1000) being clobbered by fast traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 23:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-kermit and APC codes (LONG) Date: 1 Nov 1995 23:15:15 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 74 Message-Id: <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am still having some problems getting MS-Kermit to do what I want it to do. Last time I posted, I couldn't turn of the file display on the DOS side from the UNIX side. I got that figured out now. Sorry, Frank, but your answer to my question was incorrect, but I appreciate the help anyway. I decided to give a very detailed account of what I am doing this time, to avoid misunder- standings. Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system, and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started. Remember I am doing all of this kind of backwards. I start MS-Kermit on my DOS system which is hooked to my UNIX system via a serial connection. Then I run some program on my UNIX system that needs to tranfer files back and forth to the DOS system. So I have to do system calls that look something like this: echo "\033_send c:\mydir\myfile\033\\"; kermit -r -a /tmp/myfile This works just fine IF c:\mydir\myfile exists, otherwise, C-Kermit starts and puts up a "ready to receive " message and then waits for the user to issue a send command on the DOS side. Of course, that user input would never happen. As a work around, I create script file that I send to DOS, and then tell MS-Kermit to take that script. ie. echo "\033_receive my_script\033\\" ; kermit -s my_script echo "\033_take my_script\033\\" ; kermit -r receive where my_script looks something like this: if exists c:\mydir\my_file send c:\my_dir\my_file if not exists c:\my_dir\my_file send my_script This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my script. It's ugly and but there are some problems. 1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the script has no effect. How come? 2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script) if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something? 3) If this ugly way is the only way, I need to reset file collision before I send my_script to the DOS system. That's easy enough to do with echo "\033_set file collision overwrite\033\\" and my_script would include the command to set file collision to what ever it was before. But, here is the problem: How can I determine what file callision was set to, save that information, and then use it to reset file collision when my_script is done? 4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The .bwr files mention them but not in detail. Okay that should do it for today. BTW, I am running MS-Kermit 3.13 Patch level 0 dated July 8 1993 under DOS 6.2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) for UnixWare dated Oct/4/94 under UnixWare (thats Unix 4.2 I think). Thanks for reading this and thanks for any help. Ute --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 22:21:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:05:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news2.acs.oakland.edu!newshub.gmr.com!hobbes.tad.eds.com!maverick.tad.eds.com!news-admin@tad.eds.com From: "R. Scott Bailey" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How are Kermit95 shipments going? Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 14:21:05 -0800 Organization: Somewhere in EDS... Lines: 15 Message-Id: <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wimpy.dsddi.eds.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail order instead. Sigh. Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation, Scott ---------- R. Scott Bailey sbailey@dsddi.eds.com system manager, postmaster sbailey@xcc.mc.xerox.com EDS / ESC - Detroit 313-556-6011 [8/346] From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 16:33:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:33:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:33:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is kermit? Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:33:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <47dg81$leu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL>, Chris Williams wrote: > Where can I find the source for Kermit? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 16:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:44:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:44:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How are Kermit95 shipments going? Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:44:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <47dgt2$m36@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com>, R. Scott Bailey wrote: > > Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored > shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could > find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead > have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit > area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail > order instead. Sigh. > >Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation, > Kermit 95 will definitely provide the latter :-) Getting a new product into the stores requires pressure from both ends -- the producers and the consumers. If your local Egghead / CompUSA / Computer City have not heard of the product, but you want to buy it from them, then presumably they would be glad to sell it to you if they knew how, especially given the dearth of Windows 95 products on the shelves so far. We are doing our best to get the word out to them from our end, but it also can't hurt for customers to instigate orders from their end too. If your computer store does not carry Kermit 95 but you would like them too, you can refer them to the distributor: Micro Central Inc. PO Box 1009 8998 Route 18 North Old Bridge NJ 08857 Fax: +1 (908) 360-0303 Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300 or the publisher: Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 1 02:38:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir' Date: 1 Nov 1995 02:38:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 73 Message-Id: <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp1-07.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Tue Oct 31 6:38:39 PM PST 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version information is also shown afterwards: ------------------------------------------------------------------ ADLVAX::system> kermit Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS... Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>set dial dir SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>dial 4444444 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC=00092158, PSL=0BC00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 00092158 00092158 0008AC89 0008AC89 CKUUS6 ludial 8041 000000B4 0006F340 CKUUS6 dodial 8118 000000D2 0006F57E CKUUSR docmd 8801 00000571 00075765 CKUUS5 parser 8580 000005A0 0006A4B8 CKCMAI main 8387 0000047D 00056F61 ADLVAX::system> ADLVAX::system> kermit Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS... Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>sho ver Versions: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 Numeric: 501190 Communications I/O 2.0(077), 22 Sep 94 for OpenVMS VAX File support, 2.0(116), 4 Oct 94 for OpenVMS VAX C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(072), 18 Sep 94 C-Kermit functions, 5A(120) 18 Sep 94 Command package 5A(067), 2 Oct 94 User Interface 5A(156), 4 Oct 94 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94 Connect Command 5A(036) 15 Sep 94 Dial Command, 5A(063) 4 Oct 94 Script Command, 5A(023) 4 Oct 94 Network support, 5A(039) 30 Sep 94 SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>q Returning you to VMS now. ---------------------------------------------------- The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code supplied with the kermit distribution tape. Please help, Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc White Plains, New York From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 1 02:54:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:43:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:54:48 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 16 Message-Id: <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >>Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this >>new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves >>from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position? > >I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an >excellent example of such. Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 17:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:51:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with \v(ttyfd) Date: 3 Nov 1995 17:51:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47dkqg$pam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: >I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running >kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it >doesn't seem to work for me. > Aha - a bug. The problem is that the second Kermit, when given the file descriptor of a Telnet connection, does not know it is a Telnet connection, and so does not engage in Telnet protocol with the Telnet server on the other end. To compound the situation, the first Kermit might have negotiated certain key parameters (like echoing) that the second Kermit doesn't find out about. The same scenario works fine for serial connections. We'll have to address this one in the next release. Thanks for the report! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:17:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:17:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:17:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit and APC codes (LONG) Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:17:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <47dmbg$qlt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: >... >Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system, >and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some >indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started. > Wouldn't it be easier to just have C-Kermit try to GET the file from an MS-DOS Kermit server, and if it fails, that means it wasn't there? [...as opposed to transferring a script file, then executing it...] >This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and >once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my >script. It's ugly and but there are some problems. > >1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the > script has no effect. How come? > Because it's open? >2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script) > if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second > if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something? > If you used the method suggested at the top, the GET command would return an error code. In your "output" command, you probably need to stick \13 onto the end. ... >4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most > of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The > .bwr files mention them but not in detail. > The KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190). Hope this helps. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:46:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:46:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:46:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir' Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:46:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47do20$s1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, David Pollack wrote: : With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to : eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error : message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The : sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a : dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version : information is also shown afterwards: : ... : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX : ... : The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both : the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code : supplied with the kermit distribution tape. : Obviously some kind of bug. The obvious workaround is (as the doctor says) "don't do that". We'll have a fix the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 12:38:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:36:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:36:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.zeitgeist.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 03 Nov 1995 12:38:38 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 27 Message-Id: References: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 1 Nov 1995 22:04:13 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what >you are after: > > VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. > EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over the years :-). An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all works wonderfully now. The next step is to play around with tweaking file transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured just exactly right... P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory, and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 09:29:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:54:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:54:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Message-Id: <1995Oct31.152922.65524@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 95 15:29:22 MDT References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>, "Gary A. Foley" writes: > I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that > are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in > cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it > automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? > (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) ----------- If you read our documentation I'm sure you will discover that 132 column video is a feature specific to individual boards, and every one is different. That means your board vendor knows how to do it and probably supplied a utility for the purpose. Check the board box for such a floppy. Kermit knows about some boards but will never be able to know about all that are on the market this month. That's why we provide the COLS132.BAT escape, as well as horizontal scrolling. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 20:06:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:06:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:06:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: 3 Nov 1995 15:06:23 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-Id: <47dsnv$q5s@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <478qst$j1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Tom Horsley wrote: >>However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what >>you are after: >> >> VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map. >> EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta. > >Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over >the years :-). > You mean, physically? Hmmm... One thing I really would like to be able to do in Windows 95 is exchange the Caps Lock and Ctrl keys (and the Esc and ` keys). Our old DOS-level CAPSCTRL program, a couple simple lines of assembly code, did this just fine in DOS, but obviously doesn't cut the mustard in Windows. >An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old >kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all >works wonderfully now. The next step is to play around with tweaking file >transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port >over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine >overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured >just exactly right... > An excerpt from a posting from this morning's news: From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc Subject: Kermit95: 32-bit telnet with file transfer Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:45:34 GMT Organization: Syracuse University ... I've been friends with Kermit for about 4 years and have used it on DOS, Win3.1, Win95, OS/2, Linux, and remotely on Solaris, Sun, and Next. The first thing I did when I got Kermit95 was to verify that I could achieve the fast file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ... 3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out of zmodem). Having done that, I got rid of hyper-terminal. Then I verified that it would telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP ... did it (excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT. So I had to check out the file transfer during telnet ... not bad ... 2950 cps @28800 BAUD/SLIP for uncompressible data; FTP is a little faster, but then, that's FTP, not telnet. Last, I set up a Kermit95 client/server via null modem cable between my two Win95 machines (486DX33 and P5-90). That was a lot easier to do than Win95's direct cable connection and the file transfer was nice and fast (@115200 BAUD) in both directions. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* >P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory, >and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just >giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program >apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS >directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine. > Right. Actually, the best way to do this is to put: KEYMAPS\blah.INI in the "Read from file" box in the Keyboard configuration page. Because really, all command files (scripts, ini files, etc) are executed with the TAKE command. And in Kermit 95, the TAKE command looks in the SCRIPTS subdirectory of the Kermit 95 installation directory if you only give the file's basename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 21:01:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:46:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 17:46:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.graphics.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Date: 3 Nov 1995 21:01:03 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-Id: <47dvuf$4uo@bug.rahul.net> References: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Manuel Morales (MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu) wrote: : I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit : 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this : problem (i.e. in the properties section). I am running MSKermit 3.14 under Win95, using a PracPeriph 28.8 modem. I see no troubles with this setup. I can't recall doing anything in the properties section, other than making it full screen, and not allowing the screensaver to work. (Looking for a retail Kermit95 in Napa (snicker)) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 15:54:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:20:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:20:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: 4 Nov 1995 02:24:40 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote: : Here's one that's got me stumped: : : I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold : II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It seems when : I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up. Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 00:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:13:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:13:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: 3 Nov 1995 19:12:55 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <47eb67$nmi@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: >Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote: >: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport >: Gold II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit. It >: seems when I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my >: modem hangs up. > >Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac >modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? > The ckmker.bwr file goes into some detail about this. Quoting: USING MAC KERMIT WITH MODEMS The Macintosh serial port is not an RS-232 device and does not support the full repertoire of modem signals needed for normal operation with modems. Communication with modems is accomplished using various "fakeouts", each of which sacrifices some feature in order to accomplish some other feature, since the Mac has only one modem signal to send to the modem, and reads only one modem signal from the modem. Thus, for example, the Mac can't hang up the phone by dropping DTR and use hardware flow control at the same time. To have the ability to hang up the phone by dropping DTR, you need a regular Macintosh modem cable that connects the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 1) to the modem's DTR signal (DB25 pin 20), and the modem should be configured to hang up when DTR goes down. In Mac Kermit, you should NOT check "DTR input flow control" or "CTS output flow control". To use hardware flow control with high-speed modems, you need: 1. A special Macintosh hardware-flow-control-modem cable that connects the modem's CTS signal (DB25 pin 5) to the Macintosh's "Handshake In" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 2) and the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 1) to the modem's RTS signal (DB25 pin 4). This cable *might be* available from stores or suppliers as a "Macintosh Hardware Handshake Modem Cable" (buy at your own risk). 2. You MUST configure your modem to ignore DTR ("&D0" on most Hayes and compatible modems) and to use RTS/CTS flow control. NOTE: This means you can't hang up the phone by "dropping DTR". Normally, it will hang up automatically when you log out from the remote computer or service. If it doesn't, use the escape sequence (such as +++) to get back to the modem's command processor, and then type the modem command for hanging up (usually ATH0). 3. In Mac Kermit's Communications Settings menu, uncheck Xon/Xoff flow control, and check DTR input flow control and CTS output flow control. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 06:25:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:11:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:11:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!paperboy.uconn.edu!UConnVM.UConn.Edu!MAM94006 From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 95 11:25:34 EST Organization: University of Connecticut Lines: 13 Message-Id: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.ucc.uconn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this problem (i.e. in the properties section). Thanks Very Much, Manuel ======================================= : MANUEL A. MORALES : : UNIV. OF CONN., DEPT. ECOL. & EVOL. : : 75 N. EAGLEVILLE, U-43 : : STORRS, CT 06269 : : (203) 486-5479 / (203) 486-6364 FAX : ======================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 31 12:03:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:27:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:27:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Proper way to run kermit in server mode under inetd? Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:03:29 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really seems to work! kermit stream tcp nowait nobody /kermit kermit -x -l 1 However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't count on clients to properly shutdown the connection... Thanks, Martin From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 03:21:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:38:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Nov 1995 22:38:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 3 Nov 1995 21:21:23 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that >>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think >>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. >I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do. I think what >Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable. It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer that would mail through uunet to a uucp site. What matters is whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available when I want to transfer something. And in my experience, unless they are in some sort of communications business, they won't. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 02:04:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 00:12:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 02:04:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <47ehg2$l9l@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-040.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom, Did you notice that K95 has an emacs keymap file? I can't say how well it works, but it's there, in \k95\keymaps. tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) wrote: >Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it >seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the >same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before. >The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my >key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier. >I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the >scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes >k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both >versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already >have done this :-). >-- >-- >Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com >Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 >Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 >Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! >(email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 01:03:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:58:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:58:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!niflheim.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: hungridg@rci.rutgers.edu (Wayne Hungridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (5A)191 for OS/2 -- Non-recoverable error. Date: 3 Nov 1995 20:03:22 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: niflheim.rutgers.edu Keywords: 191 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program. Allowed CONFIG.SYS update. Now I'm getting the following message: "A non-recoverable error occurred. The process ended." I have no IRQ conflicts. I'm using COM2 as before. Problem occurs whether I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS. As far as I know, there are no concurrent applications sharing the COM2 device. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Wayne Hungridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 19:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:44 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!news From: rankin@smeagol.sat.mot.com () Subject: How does one get Kermit 95? Organization: Motorola, Inc. - Chandler, AZ Date: 02 Nov 1995 12:29:27 -0700 Message-Id: Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.8 Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (SCHBBS News Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: 170.1.8.182 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all. Any info appreciated. Thanks, -- ============================================================================= | /\ /\ Rick Rankin | | / \ / \ Motorola GSTG Voice: 602-732-3494 | | /___ v ___\ 2501 S. Price Rd. Fax: 602-732-5205 | | // \ / \\ Chandler, AZ 85248 E-mail: rick_rankin@email.mot.com | | // v \\ Mail Drop G1112 | ============================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 03:36:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 07:44:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 3 Nov 1995 03:36:28 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab., Chiao Tung Univ., Taiwan. Lines: 16 Message-Id: <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: : I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log : session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have : searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' : commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default : behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. : How? Use 'log session append' Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help --Jou == Wei-Jou Chen ( 3/+B&{ ) at LC Lab, IEO, NCTU == == Email:jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw == == Mail : No. 25, Lane 878, Nan-Ta Road, Hsinchu, Taiwan __o == == 7s&K%++n$j8t878+Q2589 _\<,_, == == Fax/Modem: +886-35-613285 Tel: +886-35-266575 . ..(*)/(*) == From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 03:08:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:34:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 09:34:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newspeak.ultratech.net!worldlinx.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:08:03 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script temninates abnormally. When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands. Once this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, whereas it usually does. The only way I've been able to disconnect the modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal. Any ideas on why this is happening? K. House kmhouse@halcyon.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 4 05:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:37:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 10:37:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 3 Nov 1995 23:29:06 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 67 Message-Id: <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy >>behind kermit too. >It was, but times changed. I think you are missing the difference between >the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you >associate with "free software". The difference is: we are working on this >full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career. I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for the flashy interactive stuff. I just miss the old standby file transfer and script driven communications utility that you could count on everyone having. In fact I'd like it better if terminal emulations had never been added. If you watch the other newsgroups you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up every few weeks. I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of them can drive just about any program on the same or a different platform. The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it. Kermit can do a loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do. I guess everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days. >We >are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and >support Kermit protocol and software. You can't say that about most of >the other software that you cite. The BSD project is shut down, the >people scattered to the wind. But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. >Many of the other examples are one-shot >deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you >can't get good, dependable support for that type of software. You can for >Kermit. Some are, some aren't. Most GNU utilities are updated periodically and you can get commercial support. Sometimes you see a dramatic improvement when someone new takes over a project that someone else consided finished. >By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make >improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you. But you have to leave >administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have >moved on to something else, we will still need to be here. I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing the code to be freely distributed. The problem is that the value of kermit as a file transfer/scripting utility depends largely on it already being available at the other end of your connection and the distribution policy makes this unlikely, especially in the places you need kermit (i.e. no ftp...). Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. There are lots of other terminal emulators to run over winsock so I don't care about that part but I'd like to be able to run the same scripts that the unix/dos versions can. If it weren't for the distribution restrictions, someone else might have done a quick and dirty compile of the script and file tranfer code to run over winsock by now. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:45:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:45:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:45:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proper way to run kermit in server mode under inetd? Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:45:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <47g5aj$r5i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: : : I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really : seems to work! : : kermit stream tcp nowait nobody /kermit kermit -x -l 1 : : However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this : the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? : : However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly : shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server : goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying : to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't : count on clients to properly shutdown the connection... : Exactly which version of C-Kermit? 5A(190) is current, 5A(192) is in development. A packet log might show why the server is trying to send a NAK. The default is for it not to do that in between "transactions". Maybe all you need to do is tell it "set server timeout 0". One of the many items on our list is to make C-Kermit capable of running on its own socket, just like (say) an FTP server, but we have not done this yet for UNIX. However, we do have a socket assigned by IANA for this purpose: 1649, as yet unused. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:46:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:46:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:46:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does one get Kermit 95? Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:46:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <47g5c8$r5t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >The subject says it all. Any info appreciated. > All the information is in the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 16:49:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:49:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:49:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: 4 Nov 1995 16:49:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-Id: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kathleen M. House wrote: : The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script : temninates abnormally. When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and : then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will : sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands. Once : this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, : whereas it usually does. The only way I've been able to disconnect the : modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal. : So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right? Which version? From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 13 WHY DOESN'T THE HANGUP COMMAND WORK FOR ME? On network connections, Kermit's HANGUP command executes the appropriate network protocol for closing the connection, and this should always work. On serial connections, the HANGUP commands turns off the computer's DTR (Data Terminal Ready) signal for a period of time. According to the standard that governs modem signals, this action is supposed to make a modem hang up the phone call. If it doesn't: 1. Your modem has been configured to "Ignore DTR". This setting is available on most Hayes-compatible modems, either on a physical switch (such as Configuration Switch 1 on the Hayes 1200) or as a command (&Dx on Hayes 2400 and later, and compatibles). In many cases, "Ignore DTR" is the factory setting. If you want your modem to obey the DTR signal, then you should set the switch appropriately, or give the command AT&D2. The actual syntax of the command might vary among different brands and models of modems, so consult your modem manual for details. 2. Your cable or connector has DTR "hotwired high", meaning that the DTR wire is jumpered to some other signal that is always high (on). If this is not what you desire, you should replace your cable with a standard modem cable. 3. You are using a Macintosh with a "hardware handshaking cable". This is actually the same situation as (2), except there is no way to "fix" the cable - please read the ckmker.bwr file for an explanation. To work around these problems in Kermit, without actually fixing the underlying cause, you can use a macro that escapes back to the modem's command processor and gives it the command to hang up. Such a macro is predefined for you in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 initialization file, MSKERMIT.INI: ; ATHANGUP macro. Use this if regular HANGUP command doesn't do the trick. def ATHANGUP sleep 1,out +++,sleep 1,out ath0\13 (Note: C-Kermit uses this technique anyway.) In MS-DOS Kermit, you can assign execution of this macro to the "hot key" of your choice, for example: set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key In Mac Kermit, you can just go to the terminal screen and do it by hand: - Pause at least one second - Type +++ - Pause at least one second - Type ATH0 (letters A, T, H, digit zero) - Press the return key. The modem should hang up and say NO CARRIER. (End quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 17:00:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:01:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:01:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 4 Nov 1995 17:00:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <476nho$71p@Mercury.mcs.com> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, : Greg Bernard wrote: : >>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that : >>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think : >>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. : : >I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do. I think what : >Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable. : : It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what : I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer : that would mail through uunet to a uucp site. What matters is : whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available : when I want to transfer something. And in my experience, unless : they are in some sort of communications business, they won't. : Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the net, they can order it from us. Or they can go to a store and buy it (MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). Our problem is with companies that expect to be able to SELL our software to their customers, or to bundle it with products that they sell the their customers, without giving us anything back for it. Because when we allow that: . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. . We get additional work because of tech-support calls. That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get even more work. Does that strike you as a good model for a self-supporting software development project? If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so from us. If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege. On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them money. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 17:14:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:14:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 4 Nov 1995 17:14:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for : the flashy interactive stuff. I just miss the old standby file : transfer and script driven communications utility that you could : count on everyone having. In fact I'd like it better if terminal : emulations had never been added. If you watch the other newsgroups : you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up : every few weeks. I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that : kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of : them can drive just about any program on the same or a different : platform. The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on : unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it. Kermit can do a : loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty : or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do. I guess : everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days. : Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other posting of today. : But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. : And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. : I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other : people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing : the code to be freely distributed. : Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make the decision. : Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform : is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock : which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. : Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software -- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows 3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there would have been plenty of takers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 18:40:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:40:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:40:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132 column support Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:40:30 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 21 Message-Id: <47dnmu$hm3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gary A. Foley (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) wrote: % I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that % are coming from VMS. I can't find any commands from DOS to put in % cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it % automatically. Is there some trick to this I don't know about? % (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) I have found that the escape sequence [=85h works with quite a number of video adapters if you use either of the NANSI.SYS or NNANSI.COM screen drivers (available from simtel and mirrors). Doesn't work in Windows, of course. ( means the escape character, ascii 27. You can echo the sequence to the screen in COLS132.BAT) Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 271956 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 01:24:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:49:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:49:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!merlin.hgc.edu!gutmanat From: Nathan Gutman Subject: Kermit Lite w/QmodemTD Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: usenet@merlin.hgc.edu (Action News Central) Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 01:24:31 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How should a SEND.BAT file look to use Kermit Lite as an external protocol with say QmodemTD? Can some kind soul e-mail an example or perhaps the real thing. This of course to run on a PC under DOS. Thanks in advance, Nathan Gutman From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 14:27:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:03:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 04:03:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95 Message-Id: <1995Nov4.202722.65941@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 95 20:27:21 MDT References: <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes: > I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit > 3.13 through Win95. Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this > problem (i.e. in the properties section). -------- Manuel, I think we need some help describing what you saw, what you expected to see, and how your system is setup. The most common "error" is to use no parity on your PC but the remote system (typically Unix) is using parity on each byte. The cure is to select a matching parity on the PC, a band-aid is to say SET DISPLAY 7 to chop the high (parity) bit from each INCOMING byte. Another possibility is you had a DOS Code Page active yet it was not chosen in Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 2 02:13:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 07:15:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 07:15:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 2 Nov 1995 02:13:42 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 7 Message-Id: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. How? From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 17:17:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:48:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:48:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How does one get Kermit 95? Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 17:17:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47irbr$dhp@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One buys it. Visit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit for details. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 20:17:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hodes.com!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!llibw From: llibw@netcom.com (bill worder) Subject: Mackermit, binaries,& netcom Message-Id: Summary: problems with downloaded binary files Keywords: binaries Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 20:17:13 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: llibw@netcom22.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My binary files will not decode. I am using Mac.LC, Netcom, Kermit, & JPG. The steps I take are: -Go to menu, Settings and set Mode for Binary -Go to newsgroup and mail file to my E-mail address -Go to Pine and Export file to Home Directory -Go to Kermit, Set File Type Binary, Send file -Go to menu, file-transfer, and click Recieve When the downloading is finished I attempt to decode with JPG and nothing happens. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 4 09:27:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:00:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Message-Id: <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 95 15:27:00 MDT References: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes: > In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>> In article , >>> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >>> : ... > [snip] >>> : >>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port > drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, > very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of > SIO was 1.53. > > Stuart Biggar -------- Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 18:35:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:36:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:36:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit (5A)191 for OS/2 -- Non-recoverable error. Date: 5 Nov 1995 18:35:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <47j06e$4j9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: 191 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu>, Wayne Hungridge wrote: >I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program. >Allowed CONFIG.SYS update. Now I'm getting the following message: > > "A non-recoverable error occurred. The process ended." > >I have no IRQ conflicts. I'm using COM2 as before. Problem occurs whether >I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS. As far as I know, there are no concurrent >applications sharing the COM2 device. > When does that message occur? Before or after C-Kermit starts? Have you tampered with the value of THREADS in your CONFIG.SYS file? Try using the '-d' switch on the command line to generate a debug.log file of the startup process. This should show where it is dying if C-Kermit is even starting. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 19:35:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:31:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:31:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tetsuo.communique.net!not-for-mail From: mango@ryu.communique.net (Raul Zighelboim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Xmodem and Unix Date: 5 Nov 1995 13:35:07 -0600 Organization: Communique Inc., New Orleans Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47j3lb$fgr@ryu.communique.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ryu.communique.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello; I run C-Kermit to conenct to another system over a serial port. I would like to be able to transfer a file over the kermit connection using xmodem i (as it is the only protocol supportted by the other box). In general, I set the other machine into receive and then jump back to my fisrst server to start the doneload. Is thiss something possible from C-kermit/Unox/Xmodem ? I can do it from OS/2 using p.exe, but I cannot figure out if thesame is true for Unix ... Thanks for any reply in the right direction. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raul Zighelboim e-mail: mango@communique.net Communique Inc. Tel: 504.527.6200 Technical Specialist Fax: 504.527.6030 From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:34:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:56:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:56:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury.interpath.com!not-for-mail From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 5 Nov 1995 15:34:18 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 28 Message-Id: <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, Wei-Jou Chen wrote: >Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: > >: I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log >: session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have >: searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?' >: commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default >: behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit. >: How? >Use 'log session append' I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2 the other day and tried this. CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to the file in the statement. C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became c\dckerlog.txt or something like that. Same with the transaction file. Pat >Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help >--Jou From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 21:49:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:49:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 16:49:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log? Date: 5 Nov 1995 21:49:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <47jbgo$dc5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4799gm$mmv@horus.infinet.com> <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com>, Pat Fogarty wrote: :In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, :Wei-Jou Chen wrote: : > Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: : > ... "log session blah append" ... : : I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2 the other day and tried : this. CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to : the file in the statement. : : C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became c\dckerlog.txt or something like that. : That shouldn't happen in the current OS/2 version, 5A(191), which was battered into allowing backslashes in filenames even though backslash is also a special character in all C-Kermit commands: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html In OS/2 and other C-Kermit versions that run on operating systems that use backslash as the directory separator, you can also use / instead of \ in any local filename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 22:42:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:04:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:04:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!panix!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:42:00 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 63 Message-Id: <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the >software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other >posting of today. Availability isn't the only issue. If kermit isn't *already* at the other end you have a problem. What is your estimate of this being the case the first time someone wants to communicate? >: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. >: >And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs >separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world >were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized >coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions to include a working kermit binary. Someone else would do it. Especially if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead of being a nightmare of #ifdef's. >Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be >REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on >commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the >Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by >profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have >chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make >the decision. It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access. Why do those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation? The people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get other products easier. If that is the way you wanted things, then I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the spirit of the old kermit documents. >: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform >: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock >: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. >: >Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but >were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software >-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing >projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more >graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac >Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows >3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there >would have been plenty of takers. I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product could be used by the person/company that did the port. Free software generally comes from someone who needs something for their own work and realizes that it doesn't cost anything to let others use it. With kermit, you can't redistribute the modified product even for your own benifit so it is not at all surprising that no one is interested in doing it. You probably won't find many people contributing code to commercial vendors so they can sell it back to them either. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 00:54:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:54:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:54:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 6 Nov 1995 00:54:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 102 Message-Id: <47jmc6$m1t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com> <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : >Good points! But I still don't understand your insistence that the : >software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available. See my other : >posting of today. : : In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : Availability isn't the only issue. If kermit isn't *already* at the : other end you have a problem. What is your estimate of this being : the case the first time someone wants to communicate? : That's a good question. I don't think anybody knows the answer. But in each particular case, you will find (a) no Kermit at all, (b) a Kermit implementation that doesn't even work, (c) a minimalistic Kermit that barely works but is slow as molasses, or (d) a modern up-to-date Kermit. Cases (b) and (c) result from a lack of control in the early days -- just the kind of "freedom" you are advocating now. Of course (d) would be our preference, but using 20-20 hindsight, I think I'd prefer (a) to (b) and (c), since all the crummy implementations out there are what have given many people the mistaken idea that Kermit protocol and software themselves are intrinsically crummy -- including people who should know better, such as major modem manufacturers (read any modem manuals lately?). : >: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong. : >: : >And each off in its own direction. Look at how each of these needs : >separate code in Kermit to support. Wouldn't it be nice if the world : >were more consistent. There is something to be said for centralized : >coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide. : : That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions : to include a working kermit binary. Someone else would do it. Especially : if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate : module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead : of being a nightmare of #ifdef's. : I challenge you to do a better job. Do you have 10 spare years? Seriously, it is the age-old tradeoff between modularity and code sharing. If we split the ckutio.c module off into 400-500 different copies, then any functional improvement we make in one place might well need to be made in hundreds of others. That's not to say there couldn't be any improvements, of course. Only that the scope and complexity of this project are way beyond anything anybody ever expected at the beginning, and so some of the various modules have grown in, shall we say, unexpected ways. And at each step along the way, it has almost always been not only easier, but SAFER, to add some new arcane UNIX system-dependency within #ifdefs than to rewrite 50,000 lines of code. By safer, I mean satisfying somebody's need for the new thing without breaking support for hundreds of other platforms in the process. If we had it all to do over again, maybe we'd also design C and UNIX themselves to make just a wee bit more sense. : >Our code is freely distributed too. The question is how can it be : >REdistributed? The reasonable restrictions we have placed on : >commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the : >Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by : >profiteers. Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have : >chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make : >the decision. : : It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access. Why do : those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation? The : people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get : other products easier. If that is the way you wanted things, then : I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the : spirit of the old kermit documents. : Well, we're beginning (again) to go in circles here. I freely and openly confess that the spirit in which the original Kermit documents were written no longer totally applies. The world is a meaner place now -- to us and to everybody. It would be easy for us to say (as you want us to), "OK, it's free again, anybody can do whatever they want to with it", and then walk away and get new jobs and "let the hundred flowers bloom." Before you knew it, you'd have 1000 incompatible divergent strains with no way on earth to make improvements to all of them, and not long after that you'd begin to see failures to interoperate, as clever programmers improved the protocol. : >: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform : >: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock : >: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line. : >: : >Granted. At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but : >were not completed. That's one of the pitfalls of free software : >-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing : >projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more : >graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac : >Kermit). Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows : >3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project? Five or ten years ago there : >would have been plenty of takers. : : I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product : could be used by the person/company that did the port. : Who said it couldn't? If somebody wants to do this work and also be able to profit from it, all they need to do is talk to us. We are reasonable people. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 03:26:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:00:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:00:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 5 Nov 1995 03:26:35 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 40 Message-Id: <47hatb$h6s@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes: >> In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>>> In article , >>>> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >>>> : ... >> [snip] >>>> : >>>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >>>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >>>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with > >> One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port >> drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, >> very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of >> SIO was 1.53. >> >> Stuart Biggar >-------- > Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO >so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? > Joe D. I have a FTP-PM object set up: ftp site: vmbbs.gwinn.com directory: /H/BBS/FTP/DL02 current filename: SIO153.ZIP There is also a BBS phone number: 1 304 255-7903 (from 1.53 readme) Hope this helps, Stuart Biggar By the way, I really LIKE ckermit for OS/2 - good job. I'm a bit of a novice but it work quite well to telnet to the Suns at work over the OS/2 IAK (or Connect) PPP. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 03:56:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:03:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:03:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with OS/2 C-Kermit and IBM NR/2 problem Date: 5 Nov 1995 03:56:56 GMT Organization: The University of Arizona Lines: 38 Message-Id: <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem running C-Kermit for OS/2 and NR/2 at the same time over an IAK PPP connection (to a Sun SPARC Solaris 2.4 PPP server at the office). Specifics: IBM 755CX, 40 MB RAM, 810 MB drive, OS/2 Warp as delivered in the dual boot with DOS 7.0/Win 3.11 setup. I have added Mwave 2.0 drivers, the PPP and other IAK fixes, and the updated ThinkPad utilities/drivers/PCMCIA/IR stuff from the IBM web sites. I use SIO 1.53 serial port drivers with the built in MWave modem on COM2. A 14.4 error-corrected PPP link is negotiated with VJ header compression (speed limited by the Sun modem). The IAK PPP connection seems to work fine - I can run C-Kermit and telnet to work, run IBM's Web Browser, use FTP, NewsReader/2, and such. However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566. If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK. At the prompt I type: telnet cobra and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line of the C-Kermit window): Sorry, can't create threadit.ini for OS/2... [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>_ I probably have something misconfigured (easy to do as OS/2 is so configurable!) but I don't have a clue at this point. This same sequence works if NR/2 is not running (cobra is the name of the Sun PPP host and DNS knows its name and IP address and DNS is working). The obvious solution is to not run c-kermit when NR/2 is up but I would like to be able to. Any tips, pointers, guesses, or solutions welcome. Thanks, Stuart Biggar Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Remote Sensing Group, Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 01:26:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:26:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:26:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with OS/2 C-Kermit and IBM NR/2 problem Date: 6 Nov 1995 01:26:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <47jo7p$nj0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, wrote: > >However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with >date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566. If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK. >At the prompt I type: telnet cobra >and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line >of the C-Kermit window): > >Sorry, can't create thread Please check your CONFIG.SYS file for the THREADS line. You have probably edited the file and set this value too low. Please read the CKERMIT.INF file section on OS/2 tuning. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:27:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: "Kathleen M. House" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:17:03 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right? Which version? Whoops - MS-DOS, right, ver. 3.14 - sorry about that! > set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key > Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to do this, if its necessary) > - Frank Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response. Kathleen From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 13:24:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news-owego.endicott.ibm.com!news From: shirley@lfs.loral.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial Out from Kermit CMS Date: 3 Nov 1995 13:24:06 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Owego, NY Lines: 10 Message-Id: <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cas1-7.endicott.ibm.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to a port on the terminal server setup for dialout. How do you actually send and receive files though? I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to local mode, but no luck. What is the escape character? Can this be done? I'm using version Kermit-CMS Version 4.3.1 XA (95/02/02) Thanks, Shirley eys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the > command prompt is red (this is also OK). > > However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to > do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see. I need to > change it to a lighter blue. I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change > it. Changing the underscore color didn't help. ------------ The remote host is sending the color commands. These are the foreground color and intensity and the background color. You need to contact the owners of that machine and have them modify what the application sends to your client. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 3 12:31:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.psc.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!usenet From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 3 Nov 1995 12:31:50 GMT Organization: University of Arizona, Optical Sciences Center Lines: 44 Message-Id: <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> In article , >> Psychos 'R Us wrote: >> : ... [snip] >> : >> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used >> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, >> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with >> 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the >> planet and requires special drivers. Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows >> how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer >> rates with Hayes software. I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows >> enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not >> bother with the Hayes-specific features. >> >> I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to >> put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit >> version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in >> character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you >> report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it >> turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, >> and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. >> >> - Frank >--------- > On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it. >As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the >ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA >transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications >program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer. >There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff), >but it also runs without it. > So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration >program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory. > Joe D. One further data point: if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports, very high port rates, ...). Last time I checked the current version of SIO was 1.53. Stuart Biggar From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 02:14:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!patrickt From: patrickt@tst.hk.super.net (Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control string from host Date: 5 Nov 1995 02:14:35 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Supernet Lines: 11 Message-Id: <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: is1.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent from the host and then execute a dos batch ? In particular, the host run a cash receipt program, then send out a control string. After kermit capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which open the cash drawer. Please email me if you know the answer. Patrick Tam. patrickt@hk.super.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 20:27:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!news.interlog.com!news.dra.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psychos 'R Us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 22:19:40 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 70 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : : set file type binary : : set warning on : : set buffer 65536 65536 : : set window 24 : : set send packet 2048 : : set block-check 2 : : set flow none : : set flow rts : : : : With MS-kermit... : : : Which version? 3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995) : : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. : : : The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the : modulation speed. Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by : the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately : 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure : is left as an exercise for the reader :-). 880 cps is therefore more : like 55%, not 18%. Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But it was an improvement from 880cps. : : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation : : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that : : came with OS/2. I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts. : : ... : : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended : : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a : : decent modem... : : : The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board. It can be used : at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode, : 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with : 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the : ... : version 3.14. If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in : character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you : report. We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it : turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience, : and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list. For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port. So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead works going on with kermit which I cannot put my finger on. I found the unprefix all does not always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st packet received with "unprefix all". Right now I still use Z-modem and Y-modem G to download, but eventually I would like to change everything to kermit. I welcome any further comments and suggestions to get kermit working... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 18:48:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:27:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!expert.cc.purdue.edu!jroesner From: jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffery Roesner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit problem Date: 5 Nov 1995 18:48:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use the same fix for them as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work. My fix was putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem out. Regards Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 12:08:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:53:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:53:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problem Message-Id: <1995Nov5.180828.65993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 95 18:08:28 MDT References: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffery Roesner) writes: > For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they > hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use the same fix for them > as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work. My fix was > putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. > > Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem > out. ---------- It helps to read the manual. Use command SET KEY, press the key of interest, type the new definition. The BackSpace key is not code \127; that's the DEL key. Note that Unix can be setup to use a variety of possible codes for backspace (move cursor left), destructive backspace (erase char), and process kill; see its stty command. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 03:56:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:28:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!wb3ffv!mail!jspath From: "Jim Spath (Webmaster Jim)" Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Sender: usenet@abs.net Message-Id: X-Sender: jspath@mail In-Reply-To: <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> X-Face: :-) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:56:59 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.bcpl.lib.md.us X-Url: http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~jspath/homeslice.html Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com> <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com> <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - info@abs.net - (410)-361-8160 X-Hack: Cough Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 5 Nov 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for > >their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the > >net, they can order it from us. > OK, assume that someone out in the country has ... > (case 1) that they have only DOS (no windows) Give (not sell) them a diskette. That's how many of us got started. > (case 2) they have an "unbundled" unix distribution which doesn't > include a compiler and can't include kermit Give them a disk/tape/etc. with compiled kermit. Columbia has many binaries available (I got mine for SCO there). > case 3) they have a full unix distribution but no ftp access. Same as 2. > >Or they can go to a store and buy it > >(MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). > Where would I look in Coshocton, Ohio? In a BOOK store. The Kermit software is with the book. > >Our problem is with companies that expectto be able to SELL... > > . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. > You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw > a shareware program on a disk and mail it out. And just what is > it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for > free anyway? Some of us think Kermit is MUCH better than any other terminal program. > >service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you > >should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them > >money. > I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out > to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds > their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using > a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to > them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't > quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. I've been using Columbia Kermit for years. We give it to all our users. I have the UNIX version on all my hosts. All UNIX hosts I dial into have it. It's beyond good to be able to transfer files among all these machines, all the way up to the mainframes and down to my Apple //e. X-Face: $[):DI3,{Z,[[9Gb^H.yPU[6-J}^Co2e-J!p*jQ>Q8++K~?Ejg~3#,vmYi;O8E55~r~#wa2 WdUS{+X2e6mt${6._[/U%N~y"Br4L6Lm%S0XI8RRTs"'Dpz]#@hD@I`i@G[Q+'" cKd3Acq&}J;,FhT"6d1[H=*<;o2?Z_RK&He4+Td%v3:47/5;A>0mBqsG-KB8l:\43FGDe;U From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:31:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 06:31:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.seattle-sonics,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:09:53 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:40:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:45:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.support.cancer.prostate Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:40:32 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com(Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:39:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:39:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <47la7e$2g8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Psychos 'R Us wrote: : : : ... : : : With MS-kermit... 3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995) : You might want to try installing the patches - it might make a difference. : : : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps... : : Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is : exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But : it was an improvement from 880cps. : Right on both counts. Kermit can do much better than 1187 cps. : For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to : turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it : makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going : through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port. : : So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead going on with : kermit which I cannot put my finger on. : No, that's not it, because the same program can transfer data at much higher rates. Most people consistently get 1600+ bps downloading ZIP files on exactly the same type of connection, even using relatively low-end PCs, and MUCH higher rates than that on uncompressed files. There is something peculiar about your setup, and the most likely culprit is the ESP board. A second suspect would be the modem. Measurements done here indicate that turning off compression buys you next to nothing, but -- given the variation in modem quality -- probably introduces some risks. So if I were in your position I'd try a couple quick experiments: 1. Put the modem back to its default configuration (RTS/CTS, V.32bis, V.42, V.42bis) and see what difference that makes. Obviously, make sure Kermit is also set for RTS/CTS. 2. Hook your modem up to a regular serial port -- preferably a 16550A if you have one, and take the ESP board out of the loop. Most modern PCs have one or two serial ports on the motherboard and you probably had to go into SETUP to disable them in order to install your ESP. : I found the unprefix all does not : always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st : packet received with "unprefix all". : That means that there is at least one control character on your connection that is not safe to unprefix. Control-character unprefixing is intrinsically a tricky business. If it were safe to do it always, we'd set Kermit up to do it by default. You have to hunt down the offending control character(s) and prefix it/them. There are lots of hints about this in the KERMIT.UPD file on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:43:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:43:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47laei$2oa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47g5jc$r8d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kathleen M. House wrote: : : ... set key \315 {\Kathangup} ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key : : Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to : do this, if its necessary) : No. Kermit's key mappings are strictly local to Kermit itself and have no effect outside Kermit, or after Kermit exits. They also have no effect at the Kermit prompt. They only are effective when Kermit is in CONNECT mode, i.e. when the terminal screen is active. : Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response. : You're welcome. And thank you for saying thanks :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:51:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:51:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control string from host Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:51:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <47latc$35r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net>, Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam wrote: >Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent >from the host and then execute a dos batch ? In particular, the host run >a cash receipt program, then send out a control string. After kermit >capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which >open the cash drawer. > Yes, there are numerous ways to do this. If Kermit is in CONNECT mode you can use the APC mechanism, documented in the KERMIT.UPD file on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette, or you can use the PRODUCT macro, which is documented in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". But since automated procedures like this are rarely in CONNECT mode, the real way to do it with a script program. The method for writing script programs is documented in detail in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 15:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:53:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:53:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problem Date: 6 Nov 1995 15:53:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47lb19$38e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Jeffery Roesner wrote: : For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, : version 3.14. The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and : whenever they hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen. I tried to use : the same fix for them as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason : it didn't work. My fix was putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file. : The scan code for the Backspace key in MS-DOS Kermit, as revealed by SHOW KEY and as listed in the manual, is \270, not \127. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 22:21:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:21:05 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 26 Message-Id: <47jdch$jak@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn> <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu> <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: >> What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way >> into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people. > >Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people >are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the >send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would >have been fixed... Beg your pardon? Every sendmail I've seen has had a single author, although the commercial vendors have twiddled their versions in ways that make it difficult to keep up to date. Sendmail almost certainly connects more sites with fewer problems than any other single program. Yes, it has had problems. They have been fixed quickly as they became known. >i'm glad i run another type system looking at >stuff like that. This is like riding a bicycle because plane crashes get all the publicity. You might do well to look at the miles/accident ratio. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com t giving us anything >back for it. Because when we allow that: > . We lose income that we otherwise would have received. You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw a shareware program on a disk and mail it out. And just what is it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for free anyway? > . We get additional work because of tech-support calls. Tech support is unrelated to allowing redistribution. >That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get >even more work. Does that strike you as a good model for a >self-supporting software development project? Yes - just charge for the support. The work to create the code doesn't increase just because more people use it. If someone else redistributes the code they will become the most likey contact for support anyway. Programs that are available to everyone become self-supporting since many people will know the answers to the common problems. >If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing >our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so >from us. If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege. It is not unreasonable, but then there is nothing to distinguish your product from dozens of other commercial products, many of which can be distributed freely on a shareware basis. >On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to >a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that >service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you >should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them >money. I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 5 14:20:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:11:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Message-Id: <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Nov 95 20:20:02 MDT References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for >>their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the >>net, they can order it from us. > > I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out > to the people who call my machines. The result is that everyone finds > their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using > a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to > them if the phase of the moon happened to be right. I just don't > quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us. ----------- Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position. To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but not by a great deal. The part where you discuss not being able to give it to your paying customers is not quite correct, but close. You can give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it (the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators). How do folks arrange commercial products? Delivery isn't automatic, the product isn't free, redistribution is often controlled by the originator, and it can't be obtained over the nets. If all Columbia Kermit material were, magically and hypothetically, to one day be available only at a price from standard distributors then would this discussion be occuring? Would folks be complaining bitterly about lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is what everyone else is doing. Yet when there is the least element of non- charge then it's camels nose time and the gimme complaints continue. As Frank has commented about once per month, we are experiencing a collision of galaxies: the old free mutual exchange and the new make money fast. Current customers expect commercial quality (and get more than that from us) and service (and we know that costs big bucks), no matter if the product is produced by volunteers or by paid programmers. Well, the money has to come from somewhere. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 08:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:08:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:08:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!ukma!ukcc.uky.edu!JJSTEP00 From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup on receive Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 13:12:59 EST Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 28 Message-Id: <1744EB9DFS86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> References: <174447818S86.JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu> <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Answering my question, In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au> arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > >Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac >modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like? I solved this problem over the weekend. It involves turning off the "Teleport" INIT that came with my modem. Seems it does some strange things when the serial port opens. I still have other problems with downloading but have narrowed that down to bad phone lines and crappy modems on the other end of the connection. Seems the University has some 9600 baud modems on the verge of expiration. Z-Modem doesn't like downloading from other servers when I dial in to the same modem pool. Kermit doesn't work, either, for file transfers if I get a bad modem. Works great in terminal emulation, though. I do have one other comment to add concerning the internals of Mac-Kermit: I was downloading a 4 Meg file the other day (actually got a decent connection) and when I had about ten minutes of transfer left, my machine locked up. I diagnosed the problem to be memory related (stack running into the heap). This kind of thing happens when to many static variables collide with too many calls to malloc. The short term solution is to give MacKermit a huge (over 1 Meg) partition when you plan to download large files. The long term soution is to change the memory allocation scheme in the ckc*.c file[s] (don't remember which one) to work with the idiosyncracies of Macintosh memory management. But that would mean "more #ifdefs galore," to borrow a line from our fearless leader, FDC. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 00:47:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:45:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:45:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 07 Nov 1995 00:47:45 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 53 Message-Id: References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu> <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: les@MCS.COM's message of 6 Nov 1995 14:49:39 -0600 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position. >To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it >should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but >not by a great deal. Try it this way: if software is going to claim to be free, distribution should not be restricted. The concept is bizarre. Nonsense. The price you pay for the product need not have anything to do with how you obtain it. >Would folks be complaining bitterly about >lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is >what everyone else is doing. Who else is taking contributed code and limiting acess to it? GNU (in an odd sort of way). As I understand the standard GNU copyleft, if you make a GNU product available for re-distribution, you must make all the source code available as well --- not just those portions you find interesting or helpful. This is an odd form of limiting access, but it is a limit: if you want to make it available, you must follow GNU's rules. Similarly with Kermit: if you want to make Kermit available, you must follow Kermit's rules. Why not split the products to follow your argument: allow free distribution of the original versions with contributed code and release new commercial versions to recoup the development cost of the flashy new stuff. Then you could treat everyone the same. But, I still think the non-free kermits should change their name unless I am wrong about the history of how the name was obtained. Frank da Cruz writes in "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (if I recall correctly) that Kermit was named after the Muppet of the same name, chiefly because of his friendly and unassuming nature. At one time in history I believe the "official" story was that Kermit is translated "free" in Celtic, but that was in part an attempt to avoid the association with Henson Associates' rights to (the other) Kermit. Eventually the Henson people were asked for permission to acknowledge the true origins of the name, and they graciously agreed. Again, this is an old argument, which will probably not satisfy anyone here. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 09:27:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:38:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04076 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:38:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!cambridge-news.cygnus.com!news3.near.net!yale!UConnVM.UConn.Edu!MAM94006 From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 14:27:32 EST Organization: University of Connecticut Lines: 37 Message-Id: <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.ucc.uconn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13. However, since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above to work. Could someone please explain what the problem is. Thanks, Manuel ; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12 echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ... SET KEY \315 \27\49 ; PF1 PF1 SET KEY \316 \27\50 ; PF2 PF2 SET KEY \317 \27\51 ; PF3 PF3 SET KEY \318 \27\52 ; PF4 PF4 SET KEY \319 \27\53 ; PF5 PF5 SET KEY \320 \27\54 ; PF6 PF6 SET KEY \321 \27\55 ; PF7 PF7 SET KEY \322 \27\56 ; PF8 PF8 SET KEY \323 \27\57 ; PF9 PF9 SET KEY \324 \27\48 ; PF10 PF10 SET KEY \1374 \27\45 ; PF11 Ctrl-F1 SET KEY \1375 \27\61 ; PF12 Ctrl-F2 SET KEY \389 \{27}- ; PF11 PF11 (Enhanced Keyboard) SET KEY \390 \{27}= ; PF12 PF12 (Enhanced Keyboard) ; ; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12 SET KEY \852 \27q ; PF13 Shift F1 SET KEY \853 \27w ; PF14 Shift F2 SET KEY \854 \27e ; PF15 Shift F3 SET KEY \855 \27r ; PF16 Shift F4 SET KEY \856 \27t ; PF17 Shift F5 SET KEY \857 \27y ; PF18 Shift F6 SET KEY \858 \27u ; PF19 Shift F7 SET KEY \859 \27i ; PF20 Shift F9 SET KEY \860 \27o ; PF21 Shift F9 SET KEY \861 \27p ; PF22 Shift F10 SET KEY \1376 \{27}_ ; PF23 Ctrl-F3 SET KEY \1377 \{27}] ; PF24 Ctrl-F4 SET KEY \903 \{27}_ ; PF23 Shift F11 (Enhanced Keyboard) SET KEY \904 \{27}] ; PF24 Shift F12 (Enhanced Keyboard) From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 02:20:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:07:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA09718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:07:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Error #47-8????? Message-Id: <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Nov 95 08:20:33 MDT References: <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes: > Can someone tell me what would cause the error > "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host." > > It occurs only in large files, not small ones. ---------- A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what circumstances it occurs. Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM mainframe situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 16:36:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:22:41 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:22:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!news.cerf.net!news.titan.com!news.tcst.com!news.onramp.net!kerber From: kerber@onramp.net (Jeff Kerber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is Error #47-8????? Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 16:36:01 GMT Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Lines: 23 Message-Id: <47o1f0$oda@news.onramp.net> References: <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net> <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kerber.idx.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: -->In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes: -->> Can someone tell me what would cause the error -->> "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host." -->> -->> It occurs only in large files, not small ones. -->---------- --> A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating -->system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what -->circumstances it occurs. --> Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have -->enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM -->mainframe situation. --> Joe D. This transfer is going from a VAX (host) to a PC. There is no disk space problem on the PC... Thanks for any help you can give! Jeff Kerber Software Engineer I - IDX Systems Corp. (Dallas ESD) - kerber@idx.com OnRamp Technologies - Technical Support - kerber@onramp.net ***** RUNNING WINDOWS 95 ***** From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 12:07:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:55:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA12460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:55:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: jbarrm@panix.com (Barry Masterson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit, Lynx & jumbled display Date: 8 Nov 1995 07:07:16 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 19 Message-Id: <47q6hk$mb7@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I'm running FreeBSD on a 486, kermit is my communication program to the outside world. When I connect to another unix system, everything works fine, except for lynx - the text based hypertext browser. The screen gets jumbled and is basically not very readable. I'm setting the TERM as vt100 on my dialup account. Does anyone here have any suggestions for using kermit to access lynx? Thanks Barry Masterson jbarrm@panix.com -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - FreeBSD 2.0.5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 22:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:48:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:48:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Linux kermit grabs the mouse port Date: 7 Nov 1995 15:10:50 -0700 Organization: WZI Lines: 32 Message-Id: <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com> Reply-To: andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) Nntp-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com Keywords: linux mouse Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4084 comp.os.linux.misc:82950 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I have the latest version of kermit on Linux 1.3.37. I have used the binary distribution, and recompiled the source - which report C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Linux. When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and 'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'. Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either /var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to indicate its use of the mouse port ? If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init) in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'. Has anyone else seen this ? I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts. I use kermit all the time .. Cheers, Andy! -- andyr@wizzy.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 13:06:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:00:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17376 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:00:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!sun4nl!wglas From: wglas@inter.nl.net (Wim Glas) Subject: Kermit slow on fast modem ? Message-Id: Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:06:14 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a 28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with compression, so this is not the problem. What could be the problem ? On the PC I use TELIX . Wim Glas (whg@ihe.nl) IHE-Delft. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 17:10:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:16:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17798 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:16:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dectecting winsock - How? Date: 9 Nov 95 17:10:03 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi out there in the info-pool Just a quickie here: I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some error message then exit Kermit. If it is not then Kermit can continues and makes its connection to the remote host. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 01:57:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:56:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA22895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:56:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Carriage returns Message-Id: <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 07:57:15 MDT References: <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes: > When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX > server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M. > How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly? ---------- Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control, Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 02:00:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:57:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA22917 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:57:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Carriage returns Message-Id: <1995Nov10.080047.66493@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 08:00:47 MDT References: <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes: >> When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX >> server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M. >> How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly? > ---------- > Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control, > Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use > Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key. > Joe D. ---- Make that Carriage Return rather than Carriage Control. I should not attempt typing before the sun rises in the morning. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 18:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:26:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA23463 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:25:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!robohen From: robohen@cs.pitt.edu (Henry Robertson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help Date: 7 Nov 1995 18:27:42 GMT Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 9 Message-Id: <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: speedy.cs.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4. When I try to connect to a certain number, I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the parity bit or byte size is incorrect. So when I try to change this and reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on. It is on and disconnected. Any suggestions? E-mail replies appreciated since I don't read this newsgroup. Henry From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 11 08:09:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:48:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA23694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:48:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 11 Nov 1995 08:09:34 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Message-Id: <481lnu$1jf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes: >I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi >(running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to >disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the >program. When I had to do this under AIX, I couldn't find a way to keep the operating system from cleaning up the port when the process ended. Instead I put Kermit into the background and removed the lock file. This worked, as long as I didn't reactivate Kermit while the other program was using the port. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 13:09:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:18 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03582 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to disable kermit's key-strokes? Date: 8 Nov 95 13:09:39 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi out there is net-land, Simple quietion: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc... key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are part of kermit's software. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 9 15:54:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:20 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hoho.quake.net!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer? Date: 9 Nov 1995 15:54:17 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 12 Message-Id: <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command interface, and it seems to work just fine. However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the dialer GUI interface. There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal tab in the dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to latin1-iso, it is not saved, and it always seems to revert to transparent. Is there something else I need to do to get it to save and use this information? It seems to remember and use the other information on the Terminal tab OK. Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 7 14:48:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA03592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 06:17:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!leeds.ac.uk!news From: mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb) Subject: Kermit script crashing Message-Id: Organization: University of Leeds Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:48:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer. Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000. At that point it puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N and before it will talk again. The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:- ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p which is sent by the RS6000. As far as we can establish, that is supposed to select a VT mode and perform a soft reset. I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem. Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is quite happy! Does anyone have any ideas? Martin Plumb From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 19:54:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:22:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA13829 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:22:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dectecting winsock - How? Date: 10 Nov 1995 14:54:11 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 47 Sender: mike@knot.QueensU.CA Message-Id: <480al3$4hm@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs To: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk In article <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes: |> Hi out there in the info-pool |> |> Just a quickie here: |> I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect |> whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some |> error message then exit Kermit. If it is not then Kermit |> can continues and makes its connection to the remote host. |> Any suggestions greatly appreciated. |> |> Thanks in advance. - Tony - |> I don't believe there is any way to detect that Winsock is running. However, if you *know* you are on an ethernet connection you can test for failure after your script executes "connect" and then issue a warning message asking if Winsock is implicated. That, at least, was how I did it here. Below are a couple macros defined in our local customizations. \m(qcon) is a local macro indicating the type of connection: ethernet, dial-in, or pacx. You'd have to replace that test with something of your own. The login script does a set port tcp and then connect if failure wswarn ; Emsg reports an error message with a beep and then sleeps 10 seconds ; to let Windows users read the message before exiting. def emsg - echo {\7\%1}, - if > argc 1 echo {}, - echo {...MS-Kermit will exit in 10 seconds or sooner if you press any key...}, - sleep 10, - exit ; wswarn warns that Kermit cannot be used on an ethernet connection if ; Winsock is running. On other connections wswarn is a no-op. def wswarn - if not eq \m(qcon) ethernet end, - echo {}, - echo {Warning: MS-Kermit could not establish a network connection. If you are in}, - emsg {Windows, make sure that Trumpet Winsock is *closed*, not just minimized.}, - end 1 -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 14:58:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:32:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA14703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:32:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.tmr.com!news.tmr.com!not-for-mail From: davidsen@glacial.tmr.com (Bill Davidsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Linux kermit grabs the mouse port Date: 8 Nov 1995 09:58:31 -0500 Organization: TMR Associates, Schenectady NY Lines: 47 Message-Id: <47qgin$crf@glacial.tmr.com> References: <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com> Reply-To: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost.tmr.com Keywords: linux mouse Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4095 comp.os.linux.misc:83107 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com>, Andy Rabagliati wrote: | When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and | 'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the | mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores | everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'. I think you may have a Linux problem. I run Kermit 190 on a number of Linux and SCO machines, and other than having /dev/modem be an slink to the port so I can share scripts, I do the same thing. All my Linux machines are 1.2.13, the latest production release. There is always the possibility that you have a config error in Kermit, but it's unlikely, since Kermit just doesn't work with multiple lines. I don't suppose you've looked at the major and minor numbers with ls, and the port config with setserial? Are the com ports configured wrong? | Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it | talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either | /var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to | indicate its use of the mouse port ? That's not an error, it's a design decision. You could add the lock to your Xinitrc file if you find it needed. | If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init) | in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error | when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse | still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'. | | Has anyone else seen this ? Thankfully not! | I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the | standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts. | I use kermit all the time .. It's my comm program of choice, too. I really suspect either the driver or the hardware is configured wrong. Check the ports and ints with setserial. -- Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward. Bill Davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com) consultant/director TMR does UNIX and other systems stuff, some real time, network and system admin, security, C and other good stuff. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 02:10:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA18558 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:59:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script crashing Message-Id: <1995Nov8.081043.66280@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 95 08:10:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb) writes: > I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters > data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer. > > Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to > send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000. At that point it > puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. > > Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out > of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N > and before it will talk again. > > The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:- > ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p > which is sent by the RS6000. As far as we can establish, that is supposed to > select a VT mode and perform a soft reset. Scripts do NOT run in Connect mode, the terminal emulator runs only in Connect mode. The above control sequence is passed to DOS by scripts and that is the agent becoming confused by it. ANSI.SYS does not qualify as even a poor VT100 emulator let alone a sophisticated VT320. Joe D. > I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the > sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem. > > Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is > quite happy! > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Martin Plumb From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 18:39:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:25:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:25:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies Date: 8 Nov 1995 18:39:37 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 29 Message-Id: <47qth9$df6@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Nov6.201305.66152@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > > In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>, > > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>You can > >>give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it > >>(the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues > >>and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators). > > > > It is pretty much irrelevant to my revenues what product they use on > > the other end. I'd just like to be helpful. And it is annoying that > > I can't help them get kermit unless they don't need it. If financial > > arrangements are necessary they might as well use another product. The > > only real reason I have for wanting kermit on the other end is that > > I could give out scripts to do what people normally want to do. Given the intention to supply scripts etc, and given that one of the arguments against free re-distribution is the support cost bourne by Columbia, would a reasonable approach be for Les to agree to support the people to whom he supplies kermit rather than have them call columbia? -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 8 16:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:54:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26966 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:54:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!unix.sbu.ac.uk!vax.sbu.ac.uk!higginha From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Finding COM ports status BEFORE using Date: 8 Nov 95 16:43:37 GMT Organization: South Bank University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <1995Nov8.164337.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: big.sbu.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there out there in Net-Info-land I would like to use kermit under windows v3.1, I also have Trumpet winsock installed. Is there any way to get the two to work together or, another way to use Kermit under the windows environment. Also, I know kermit can set and check the status of the COM ports (COM1 to COM4 is UART or not) using the SET BIOS COM2 command for example. But is there a way of checking that the com port kermit will use is not in use by any other device or application before kermit is invoked? Please email me any suggertions or examples of how to overcome these obsticles. Thanks in advance... - Tony - From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 6 07:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:15:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA02631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 01:15:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!xmission!cyberspam!usenet From: vac@indirect.com (Anne Schoofs) Newsgroups: alt.sports.basketball.nba.seattle-sonics,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 06 Nov 95 07:09:53 GMT Organization: Devilbunnies Spam Cancelling Division Lines: 2 Sender: vac@indirect.com (Anne Schoofs) Approved: snowhare@netimages.com Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Cancelled-By: snowhare@netimages.com (Snowhare) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam Cancellation. For details see news.admin.net-abuse.announce From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 15:55:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:53:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA00853 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:52:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Message-Id: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:55:52 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the program. On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which does the trick: -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the current tty line. This option is necessary if the user is using a different tty line than the one used by ct to spawn the getty. Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 10 02:15:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:37:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA06041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Nov 1995 17:37:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping) Message-Id: <1995Nov10.081501.66494@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 95 08:15:00 MDT References: <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes: > The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13. However, > since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above > to work. Could someone please explain what the problem is. What might you mean by "not work?" The key definitions are syntactically correct. You can see them by Kermit command SHOW KEY. Joe D. > Thanks, > Manuel > ; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12 > echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ... > SET KEY \315 \27\49 ; PF1 PF1 > SET KEY \316 \27\50 ; PF2 PF2 > SET KEY \317 \27\51 ; PF3 PF3 > SET KEY \318 \27\52 ; PF4 PF4 > SET KEY \319 \27\53 ; PF5 PF5 > SET KEY \320 \27\54 ; PF6 PF6 > SET KEY \321 \27\55 ; PF7 PF7 > SET KEY \322 \27\56 ; PF8 PF8 > SET KEY \323 \27\57 ; PF9 PF9 > SET KEY \324 \27\48 ; PF10 PF10 > SET KEY \1374 \27\45 ; PF11 Ctrl-F1 > SET KEY \1375 \27\61 ; PF12 Ctrl-F2 > SET KEY \389 \{27}- ; PF11 PF11 (Enhanced Keyboard) > SET KEY \390 \{27}= ; PF12 PF12 (Enhanced Keyboard) > ; > ; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12 > SET KEY \852 \27q ; PF13 Shift F1 > SET KEY \853 \27w ; PF14 Shift F2 > SET KEY \854 \27e ; PF15 Shift F3 > SET KEY \855 \27r ; PF16 Shift F4 > SET KEY \856 \27t ; PF17 Shift F5 > SET KEY \857 \27y ; PF18 Shift F6 > SET KEY \858 \27u ; PF19 Shift F7 > SET KEY \859 \27i ; PF20 Shift F9 > SET KEY \860 \27o ; PF21 Shift F9 > SET KEY \861 \27p ; PF22 Shift F10 > SET KEY \1376 \{27}_ ; PF23 Ctrl-F3 > SET KEY \1377 \{27}] ; PF24 Ctrl-F4 > SET KEY \903 \{27}_ ; PF23 Shift F11 (Enhanced Keyboard) > SET KEY \904 \{27}] ; PF24 Shift F12 (Enhanced Keyboard) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:25:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:25:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:25:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:25:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <48863r$i96@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Henry Robertson wrote: >Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4. When I try to connect to a certain number, > You mean it only happens with this number but not with others? >I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the >parity bit or byte size is incorrect. So when I try to change this and >reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on. It is on and >disconnected. Any suggestions? > So it sounds like you are using one of the MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts. Which one? If you are using a relatively modern high-speed modem, for example a USR Sportster, then if you choose the appropriate script (for example, by giving the command "set modem sport" or putting this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file), then it will lock your modem's interface speed and Kermit's speed to match, and that way you shouldn't get any speed mismatches. Some of our older scripts used to look and see if the modem was asserting the Data Set Reader (DSR) and/or Clear To Send (CTS) signal(s) prior to dialing, and if not, would assume that you had forgotten to turn on your modem. However, since some modems do not assert these signals (despite well-known standards that say they should) even when they ARE turned on, this would result in the aforementioned message. I'm pretty sure we removed all of these checks from the 3.14 scripts, but if the script you are using has this check and message in it, you can simply edit it out. Much more about this topic in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", in the online files KERMIT.BWR, KERMIT.UPD, etc, and in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:29:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:29:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit slow on fast modem ? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:29:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4886as$ib0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Wim Glas wrote: >I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a >28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is >the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with >compression, so this is not the problem. >What could be the problem ? On the PC I use TELIX . > HP-UX versions prior to 10.00 generally have a very old version of Kermit that lacks most of the modern performance improvements. Telix has a very poor implementation of Kermit. If you use C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX and MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix on the PC, you achieve the high transfer rates you expect. More information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and, in particular (about Telix): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#perf - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:33:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:33:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA18876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:33:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable kermit's key-strokes? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:33:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4886hg$ido@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, wrote: >Simple question: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc... >key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are >part of kermit's software. > Yes. As explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", you can map any keys to send any character, any string, or to perform any "keyboard verb", or to execute any user-defined macro, or any combination of these, or to do nothing at all. If, for example, you want Alt-h to do nothing at all: set key \2339 \Kignore \2339 is the scan code of Alt-h, as shown by SHOW KEY and as listed in the Scan Code table in the manual. \Kignore is the keyboard verb whose action is "ignore this keystroke". Same deal for all other keys and key combinations. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 19:40:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:41:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19051 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:41:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer? Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:40:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <488707$ij4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net>, Mike Berg wrote: : I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command : interface, and it seems to work just fine. : : However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the : dialer GUI interface. There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal : tab in the dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to latin1-iso, it is not : saved, and it always seems to revert to transparent. Is there something : else I need to do to get it to save and use this information? It seems : to remember and use the other information on the Terminal tab OK. : This seems to be a bug, having to do with whether the character-set name has a dash in it. It should be fixed in the second patch, which will be available soon. The workaround, in the meantime, is to put "set terminal character-set latin1" in your K95CUSTOM.INI file (assuming you want to use Latin-1 all the time). If you only want to use it when connecting to certain hosts, but not others, there are other tricks you can do. Send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu if you want to go into that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:10:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:10:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19745 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:10:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 13 Nov 1995 20:10:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi : (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to : disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the : program. : : On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which : does the trick: : : -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the : current tty line. This option is necessary if the : user is using a different tty line than the one : used by ct to spawn the getty. : : Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect : the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. : Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? : This is a specific instance of a Frequently Asked Question, namely "How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging up?" This is just been added to our faq: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Here's the text: Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: . Read about the REDIRECT command in the ckcker.upd file. . Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). . After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, then delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. (End quote) However, if all you want to do is dial up another computer that will dial you back, there are easier ways to do it -- just write a Kermit script that makes the call, performs the dialog with the callback system, and then hangs up, and then waits to be called back. The test version of C-Kermit, 5A(192), which you can find on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test tree, has a new ANSWER command to make the second part easy. Without it, however, it's still pretty easy -- after hanging up, "output ats0=1\13" to the modem and then wait for CONNECT (assuming the modem is Hayes compatible). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 04:15:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:32:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:32:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 13 Nov 1995 04:15:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. This may be a FAQ, but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program which is both secure and flexible. This means: secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem command mode. flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own modem initialization strings. It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, unfortunately, C-kermit. That's because 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and reprogram it to their hearts' content. 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit , because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without hacking C code) ? -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 22:57:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:51:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28430 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Date: 13 Nov 1995 22:57:43 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 25 Message-Id: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement flow control between the modem and the computer. At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in response. Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to RTS/CTS. Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 21:29:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:15:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA29005 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:15:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 13 Nov 1995 21:29:43 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-Id: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: voyager-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am a little wary of running kermit again. Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? thanks in advance Peter Noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 01:45:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:37:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA05757 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:37:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running WARP CONNECT. Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:29:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:21:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:21:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!world!indra.com!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!news.vf.mmc.com!eng112!tcmayo From: tcmayo%eng112@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Tom Mayo N1RMU) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ethernet / Kermit Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:29:50 GMT Organization: Lockheed Martin Corp, Valley Forge PA Lines: 140 Message-Id: <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: eng112.psf.ge.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:21361 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello- I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN. My downstairs neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no problems. I want to add my 286 to the network. It has a 3COM 3C503 and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd line 3c503 0x78. It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes. Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at 10.0.0.2. Communication between fang and tuning is superfine. The 286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3. I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the end of the message on cheesebox. The problem is that I get the following message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt: resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1... unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1 unable to contact the host the host may be down or a gateway may be needed ?cannot start the connection When I run pkttraf (came with Crynwr) I see the Ethernet addresses of both fang and cheesebox as I do a ping or traceroute from fang, but when I run Kermit, it just sits there not echoing the ping or acking that it exists at all. PLEASE HELP! Here is my MSCUSTOM.INI: GOTO GO ; FILE MSCUSTOM.INI ; ; SAMPLE individual customization file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. ; Make any desired changes, and then store this file in the same directory ; as your MSKERMIT.INI initialization file. ; ; Author: Christine M. Gianone, Sep 1992 ; Revised: Jun 1993 for version 3.13 ; Revised: Jan 1995 for version 3.14 ; :GO if < \v(version) 314 - stop 1 - This MSCUSTOM.INI file may be used only with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. echo Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, \v(cmdfile)... echo Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. COMMENT - Autodownload and autoupload are disabled by default, see KERMIT.UPD. ; check term if fail forward XFER ec ec Auto-upload and -download disabled. ec Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. ec ; set terminal apc on ; Uncomment to enable this feature. :XFER COMMENT - Sample file transfer preferences. ; set block 3 ; 16-bit CRC for strong error checking. set window 4 ; 4 Window slots. set receive packet-length 2000 ; Packet length is governed by receiver. set control prefix all ; Prefix all control characters. ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... ; define bsend binary, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary, get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text, get \%1 ; GET in text mode COMMENT - TCP/IP network configuration. ; check tcp if fail forward notcp ; If your site has a BOOTP server and your PC is registered in it, the only ; command you need here is the following SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP command. ; You will also need the SET TCP/IP DOMAIN command if your BOOTP server is ; not at RFC1395 level and/or does not provide your PC's hostname (substitute ; your PC's real hostname for FOO.BAR.EDU). ; ; set tcp address BOOTP ; BOOTP will tell me my IP address ; SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG ; My network's domain name ; Otherwise, to use TCP/IP connections, replace the dummy values below with ; appropriate values for your network (DON'T MAKE THEM UP! - consult your ; network manager) and uncomment the SET TCP/IP commands. ; SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 10.0.0.3 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; My physical network's subnet mask SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG ; My PC's fully qualified domain name ; SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 123.123.123.1 ; My network gateway's IP address ; SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.2 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 ; My network's broadcast address ; Sample macro that shows how to use the session manager to access ; a particular host, called MYHOST. Make one of these for each host you ; commonly access. The first time you type "myhost" you'll get a new ; connection (and a session number), and subsequent times, the same session ; will be continued. This allows for easy session-switching from the ; MS-Kermit> prompt. You can also use Alt-n (\KnextSession) to toggle among ; sessions while in CONNECT mode. The TELNET macro is defined in MSKERMIT.INI. ; define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) :NOTCP ; ; Add your own macro definitions, key settings, color selections, etc, here, ; for example: ; set modem hayes ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. ; set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. set port 1 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. set speed 9600 ; Change if desired. set flow xon/xoff ; Change to RTS/CTS if modem is configured for this. check term if fail end 0 set term type vt100 ; Change this if desired. set term bytesize 8 ; Change to 8 if desired. ;set term color 0 34 47 ; Terminal screen fore- and background colors. ;set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. ; take \v(inidir)keyboard\vt300.ini ; Uncomment for full VT320 key mappings. ; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI) Thank you for reading this. -- Tom Mayo E-MAIL: WORK: tcmayo@mntr02.psf.ge.com HOME: mayo@adams.berk.net N1RMU PACKET: N1RMU @ WA2UMX.#ENY.NY.US.NA .. ._.. .. _._ . _._. .__ For PGP public key, e-mail me at work with subject send_pgp_key. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 07:30:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:03:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07258 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:03:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: settings Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:30:48 -0700 Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet, Inc Lines: 32 Message-Id: <489gj8$s60@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>, Ivan Danicic wrote: >Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download >a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now) >which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender? In the days before the transfer command was ftp, kermit was born. You could, and can, set capabilities separately on each end. It made sense then to set the required capabilities at the end you were changing .. However, I think the new kermits inform each other of such changes now, and they do the Right Thing. I hate text mode. It gets in the way. That's one of the reasons I like ncftp - you know its binary by default. Or, you could just try it .. kermit informs you of the transfer mode. Cheers, Andy! -- The birds have vanished into the sky, Andy Rabagliati andyr@wizzy.com and now the last cloud drains away. W.Z.I. Consulting We sit together, the mountain and me, http://www.wizzy.com/andyr/ until only the mountain remains. -- Li Po (701-762) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:55:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA26425 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 06:55:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!netaxis.com!NewsWatcher!user From: maba@manning.com (Marjan Bace) Newsgroups: alt.winsock,comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 News Release Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:16:09 -0500 Organization: Manning Publications Co. Lines: 183 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: maba.netaxis.com Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.winsock:73313 comp.dcom.modems:116843 comp.os.ms-windows.apps:1042 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:10510 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc:14165 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.winsock.misc:1748 comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip:21330 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:95937 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:52661 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup:27176 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4112 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ===================== Contact: Lee Fitzpatrick Manning Software Inc. +1 (203) 629 2078 (Voice) +1 (203) 661 9018 (Fax) lee@manning.com KERMIT 95 Communications Software for Windows 95 A new product by the team that developed the Kermit protocol and the world-renowned Kermit communications products. Early users' praise: "The first thing I did was to verify that I could achieve the fast file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ... 3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out of ZMODEM). Having done that, I got rid of Hyperterminal. Then I verified that it would Telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP ... it did (excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT." -- Vincent Fatica Syracuse University "I've used MS-DOS Kermit for years and now that I am running Windows NT, I am overjoyed to have Kermit 95 running under it. I am a frequent user of EMACS over a dialup line and Kermit gives me far more control over reprogramming individual keys than any other terminal emulator I have seen, either freeware or commercial." -- Tom Horsley Harris Computers Greenwich, CT, November 13, 1995 -- Manning Software and Columbia University's Kermit Project announced today the release of a new product: the Kermit 95 communications package for Microsoft Windows 95. Dubbed K-95, it is a fast and friendly, fully native, 32-bit communications software package for both serial and TCP/IP communication. With a projected street price of $54 and very little competition, K-95 is positioned for aggressive market penetration. "The number of people needing communications software is growing rapidly, and we expect K-95 to become a major player in the Windows 95 segment of the marketplace," said Marjan Bace, President of Manning Software. "The numbers of people working from their homes is growing exponentially. The estimates for those currently using BBSs range from 30 to 50 million. A new trend is BBS access over the Internet--suddenly, BBSs are turning themselves into global resources by joining the net," he added. "The work-at-home crowd will use K-95 and its scriptable operation to log onto their corporate network either by a direct call or by connecting through a data network like SprintNet or Tymnet," Mr Bace said. Because of the key role of online communications in today's world, the entire Windows 95 marketplace is also the Kermit 95 marketplace. K-95 is the perfect Telnet client for Netscape, Internet Explorer, and other popular Web browsers. Used in this way K-95 "gives you important benefits: you can transfer files while in your telnet session; you have more and better terminal emulations to choose from; and you have colors, scrollback, key mapping, and local printing," he added. The just-released version 1.1 comes in two parts: a full-GUI Dialer and a console-mode Kermit engine. For most common uses of the system users will deal solely with the Dialer. It is replete with menus, pushbuttons, dialog boxes, notebooks, etc. "Under the hood is the most intensely tested and improved communications engine ever," Mr. Bace said. The K-95 engine itself is accessed through a traditional non-GUI command/terminal screen. Fully GUI'ized access to K-95 is in development and registered buyers of the current version 1.1 will receive a free upgrade to the fully GUI version planned for early 1996. Announced in September on the Internet, K-95 has already logged hundreds of orders and numerous bulk licenses are in negotiation. "The Columbia Kermit Web site had an average weekly hit-rate of 10,000. This has doubled to 20,000 per week in response to the announcement of Kermit 95," said Christine Gianone, Manager of the Kermit Project. "In the Windows 95 newsgroups on the net, people are clamoring for full-function, native Windows 95 communications software that actually works," she added. Frank da Cruz, the leader of the Kermit development team and an internationally known communications expert, has compared the operation of K-95 to the alternatives that are currently available -- Microsoft's built-in Hyperterminal and Telnet applets and Mustang Software's QModemPro -- and has posted the results in tables on the Columbia University Kermit Website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html He concludes that Hyperterminal provides substantially lesser capabilities, while there is great deal of operational overlap between QModemPro and K-95. The strengths of Kermit appear to be in providing robust, reliable operation in diverse application situations, while QModemPro's strengths are its support of fancier BBS features like RIP scripts, doorway mode, and a 100% GUI interface. Mr. da Cruz has invited comparisons and postings on the Internet by others. QModemPro is expected to have a street price of approximately $99. According to Mr. Bace the "popularity of the traditional versions of Kermit--known to be of high quality--will be the wedge we will use to open the marketplace for this commercial product." Previous versions of Kermit software have been bundled with the products of major computer, networking, and software vendors. They are in use in thousands of companies the world over, at practically every university in the world, and throughout the US and other governments. Kermit lies at the heart of many high-profile mission-critical communication applications, from the recent Brazilian national elections to the UN relief efforts in Bosnia. And, the Kermit support team has gained a reputation for excellent support -- voice, e-mail, newsgroup, BBS, etc, and is known for its rapid response to trouble reports. The following Sales Sheet details Kermit 95 features, operational capabilities, tech support, pricing, and ordering information. To receive more information please contact Lee Fitzpatrick at Manning Software. KERMIT 95 SALES SHEET ===================== Features K-95 features a graphical Dialer; a directory preloaded with hundreds of dialup and network connections; fast screen updates; full color selection; the same high-quality VT100/VT200/VT300 and ANSI terminal emulation that the Kermit Project is famous for; virtually unlimited and instantaneous screen rollback; flexible key mapping; full support for all VT100/200/300 keys; integrated mouse functions like copy-and-paste, cursor steering; screen height and width selection; character-set conversion; versatile printer control; pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, etc. Operation K-95 operation supports: The leading file transfer protocols (X/Y/ZMODEM, ASCII, and K-95's Kermit protocol is, of course, the fastest and most advanced implementation of the Kermit protocol available anywhere), incorporating: sliding windows; long packets; control-character unprefixing; locking shifts; character-set translation; an update feature; file transfer recovery; automatic file transfer initiation; and much more; Windows 95 long filenames; background as well as foreground file transfers; management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer; an intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls, and adjusts itself according to your location and allows multiple phone numbers for a single service, and can be told how many times and how frequently to redial if the connection is not made; script programming (using the same portable Kermit script language that is already in widespread use on hundreds of other platforms) which, when used in combination with the Windows 95 System Agent, allows for automatically scheduled unattended communications tasks; Support The software comes with a 100-page user manual plus a 500-page technical reference manual. A dedicated newsgroup and a tech-support BBS are available for discussion and patch distribution. Voice support is available at $2.50 per minute via a 900 hotline. Kermit 95 will be aggressively supported with patches, updates, information bulletins, and a Kermit magazine all of which are free of charge to registered users. Pricing Unit price: $54.00 plus shipping. Quantity discounts, academic site licenses, and bulk right-to-copy licenses are available. For further information, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html To order, contact: Lee Fitzpatrick Manning Software Inc. lee@manning.com Marjan ________________________ Marjan Bace, Ph D Publisher and Partner Manning Publications Co. 203 629 2028 fax: 203 661 9018 ________________________ From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 13:48:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:48:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:48:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: 14 Nov 1995 13:48:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48a6nq$rgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: : Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, : and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use : Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control : key doesn't produce any scan code. : There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by themselves. In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you can't map the key. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 03:57:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:51:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:50:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Date: 13 Nov 1995 03:57:45 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net In-Reply-To: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu's message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:55:52 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes: > > I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi > (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to > disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the > program. > On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which > does the trick: > > -h Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the > current tty line. This option is necessary if the > user is using a different tty line than the one > used by ct to spawn the getty. > > Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect > the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings. > Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct? AFAIK there's no way to do that in software with Kermit; however, most modems can do it in hardware: don't drop carrier when DTR is toggled, that is. So just add the appropriate magic AT command into what you specify after "set dial init-string". I think AT&D0 will work with most Hayes type modems. -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:00:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:00:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:00:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ian T Zimmerman wrote: : Hi. This may be a FAQ... : No, this is a new one. : ... but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I : read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program : which is both secure and flexible. This means: : : secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem : command mode. : : flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line : setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute : once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own : modem initialization strings. : : It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either : fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or : libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, : unfortunately, C-kermit. : That's because : 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before : the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and : reprogram it to their hearts' content. : 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem : options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable : the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it : to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. : : I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit , : because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and : simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without : hacking C code) ? : I would not consider this a problem. What you view as insecurity are essential features for most people. Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum. Let me take a wild guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it (or worse). This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the software. Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure" version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of brevity). The place to solve the problem is the modem itself. Most modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when the phone connection is hung up. Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most devious user could do to them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:04:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:04:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:04:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 140 Message-Id: <48a7l0$rr0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>, Peter Noone wrote: > > I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 > running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit > using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was > running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic > that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted > in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am > a little wary of running kermit again. > > Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? > Plenty of them. They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the release note. The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware" file). I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the user-mode program :-) (3.7) C-KERMIT AND SOLARIS C-Kermit can't be compiled successfully under Solaris 2.3 using SUNWspro cc 2.0.1 unless at least some of the following patches are applied to cc (it is not known which one(s), if any, fix the problem): 100935-01 SparcCompiler C 2.0.1: bad code generated when addresses of two double arguments are involved 100961-05 SPARCcompilers C 2.0.1: conditional expression with function returning strucure gives wrong value 100974-01 SparcWorks 2.0.1: dbx jumbo patch 101424-01 SPARCworks 2.0.1 maketool SEGV's instantly on Solaris 2.3 With unpatched cc 2.0.1, the symptom is that certain modules generate truncated object files, resulting in many unresolved references at link time. Reportedly, "C-Kermit ... causes a SPARCstation running Solaris 2.3 to panic after the modem connects. I have tried compiling C-Kermit with Sun's unbundled C compiler, with GCC Versions 2.4.5 and 2.5.3, with make targets 'sunos51', 'sunos51tcp', 'sunos51gcc', and even 'sys5r4', and each time it compiles and starts up cleanly, but without fail, as soon as I dial the number and get a 'CONNECT' message from the modem, I get: BAD TRAP kermit: Data fault kernel read fault at addr=0x45c, pme=0x0 Sync Error Reg 80 ... panic: Data Fault. ... Rebooting... The same modem works fine for UUCP/tip calling." Also (reportedly), this only happens if the dialout port is configured as in/out via admintool. If it is configured as out-only, no problem. This is the same dialing code that works on hundreds of other System-V based UNIX OS's. Since it should be impossible for a user program to crash the operating system, this problem must be chalked up to a Solaris bug. Even if you SET CARRIER OFF, CONNECT, and dial manually by typing ATDTnnnnnnn, the system panics as soon as the modem issues its CONNECT message. (Clearly, when you are dialing manually, C-Kermit does not know a thing about the CONNECT message, and so the panic is almost certainly caused by the transition of the Carrier Detect (CD) line from off to on.) This problem was reported by many users, all of whom say that C-Kermit worked fine on Solaris 2.1 and 2.2. If the speculation about CD is true, then a possible workaround might be to configure the modem to leave CD on (or off) all the time. Perhaps by the time you read this, a patch will have been issued for Solaris 2.3. The following is from Karl S. Marsh, Systems & Networks Administrator, AMBIX Systems Corp, Rochester, NY (begin quote): "Environment: Solaris 2.3 Patch 101318-45 C-Kermit 5A(189) (and presumably this applies to 188 and 190 also) eeprom setting: ttya-rts-dtr-off=false ttya-ignore-cd=false ttya-mode=19200,8,n,8,- "To use C-Kermit on a bidirectional port in this environment, do not use admintool to configure the port. Use admintool to delete any services running on the port and then quit admintool and issue the following command: pmadm -a -p zsmon -s ttyb -i root -fu -v 1 -m "`ttyadm -b -d /dev/term/b \ -l conttyH -m ldterm,ttcompat -s /usr/bin/login -S n`" [NOTE: This was copied from a fax, so please check it carefully] where: -a = Add service -p = pmtag (zsmon) -s = service tag (ttyb) -i = id to be associated with service tag (root) -fu = create utmp entry -v = version of ttyadm -m = port monitor-specific portion of the port monitor administrative file entry for the service -b = set up port for bidirectional use -d = full path name of device -l = which ttylabel in the /etc/ttydefs file to use -m = a list of pushable STREAMS modules -s = pathname of service to be invoked when connection request received -S = software carrier detect on or off (n = off) "This is exactly how I was able to get Kermit to work on a bi-directional port without crashing the system." (End quote) On the Solaris problem, also see SunSolve Bug ID 1150457 ("Using C-Kermit, get Bad Trap on receiving prompt from remote system"). Another user reported "So, I have communicated with the Sun tech support person that submitted this bug report [1150457]. Apparently, this bug was fixed under one of the jumbo kernel patches. It would seem that the fix did not live on into 101318-45, as this is EXACTLY the error that I see when I attempt to use kermit on my system." Later (Aug 94)... C-Kermit dialout successfully tested on a Sun4m with a heavily patched Solaris 2.3. The patches most likely to have been relevant: 101318-50: SunOS 5.3: Jumbo patch for kernel (includes libc, lockd) 101720-01: SunOS 5.3: ttymon - prompt not always visible on a modem connection 101815-01: SunOS 5.3: Data fault in put() NULL queue passed from ttycommon_qfull() 101328-01: SunOS 5.3: Automation script to properly setup tty ports prior to PCTS execution Still later (Nov 94): another user (Bo Kullmar in Sweden) reports that after using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional port, the port might not answer subsequent incoming calls, and says "the problem is easy enough to to fix with the Serial Port Manager; I just delete the service and and install it again using the graphical interface, which underneath uses commands like sacadm and pmadm." Later Bo reports, "I have found that if I run Kermit with the following script then it works. This script is for /dev/cua/a, -s a is the last a in /dev/cua/a #! /bin/sh kermit sleep 2 surun pmadm -e -p zsmon -s a (end quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 14:07:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:08:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA28594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:07:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:07:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <48a7rt$rtg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, Steve Fosdick wrote: : We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement : flow control between the modem and the computer. : : At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end : the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. : : With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this : occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, : and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in : response. : : Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I : assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of : it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff : which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to : RTS/CTS. : : Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the : Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? : Obviously, yes. Flow control should be operational locally between each pair of devices that are capable of it. So RTS/CTS between the PC and the modem, MNP5 between the two modems, and RTS/CTS *or* Xon/Xoff between the remote modem and the remote computer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 23:57:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01130 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:38:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!voyager.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 13 Nov 1995 23:57:24 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-Id: <488m14$rai@spectator.cris.com> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: voyager-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Noone (Pknoone@cris.com) wrote: : I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 : running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit : using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was : running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic : that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted : in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am : a little wary of running kermit again. : Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? : : thanks in advance : Peter Noone : pknoone@cris.com : Just to follow up on my on post......... Well I fired up kermit and set my modem to hayes and my device to /dev/cua/a at speed 19200 then proceeded to dial out. After timing out my system suffered a kernel panic and rebooted. I am clueless as to what it could be. peter noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 23:50:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!bt!theseus.aom.bt.co.uk!stevef From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ Question: MY BACKSPACE KEY DOESN'T WORK Date: 13 Nov 1995 23:50:07 GMT Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Lines: 13 Message-Id: <488ljf$jvm@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.aom.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having read the FAQ answer to this question I would like to addone thing, which is not to forget configuring the other end to accept the DEL character which kermit normally sends. On a UNIX system, I set the erase character to DEL if the terminal type is a vt-series terminal (kermit included) and backspace otherwise because this is what these terminals normally send. -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 16:02:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA01773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:02:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: Kermit 95 Update Available Date: 14 Nov 1995 16:02:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <48aei7$1n8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4120 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, which is available to current registered users of Kermit 95 1.1 as a patch. This patch applies only to shrink-wrapped copies, not to site licensed copies, which are already at 1.1.1 level. You may download the patch from the Kermit BBS or you can ftp it in binary mode from the Internet Kermit archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/* Patch 1 corrects the following problems: . General improvement of accuracy and appearance of Dialer status line. . Attempting to a preloaded Dialer entry no longer crashes the Dialer. . "Dial Prefix" no longer also becomes "Dial Suffix". . Alphabetization of Dialer entries is now case insensitive. . Range checking for numeric dial options fixed in Dialer. . Correction for Kermit BBS entry in Dialer. . Spurious "OK to close?" message when launching a connection from the Dialer, now removed. . Download directory specified in General page of entry notebook was ignored, now works. . ZMODEM downloads fixed to work with FILE COLLISION BACKUP and RENAME. . ZMODEM downloads fixed on Telnet connections where they didn't work before. . Under certain conditions, K95 would fail to find script or key mapping files if a full pathname was not given. . Changes made to modem configuration in K95CUSTOM.INI were ignored when starting a connection from the Dialer. . The version number is changed from 1.1 to 1.1.1. To apply Patch 1: . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory. This is not only a safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version. . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in binary mode: w110-111.rtp w110-111.rtd patch.exe . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command: patch w110-111.rtp . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly, that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been altered. After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding, as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers). Additional patches will be issued periodically to correct reported problems and to add features. Full information on Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:54:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:38:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:38:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.inc.net!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!qmw!unl.ac.uk!ETX8PIGGOTL From: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk (Ivan Danicic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: settings Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:54:14 GMT Organization: University of North London. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: clstr.unl.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now) which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender? Thanks in advance for all polite replies! Ivan - etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 02:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!rosselot From: rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how? Date: 14 Nov 1995 02:22:40 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 5 Message-Id: <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hestia.iucf.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system. Am188em microcont- roller from AMD. I need the source code to kermit, best without bios or system calls. Any Ideas? Thanks, Don From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 00:03:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:22:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dsbc.icl.co.uk!jjf From: jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk (J.J.Farrell) Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit Message-Id: Organization: ICL, Bracknell, UK. References: <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:03:56 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every >file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. >Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up. >There is nothing the process can do about it. On most modern (and many ancient) versions of UNIX (System V derived or cloned), the process can clear the HUPCL flag (Hang UP on CLose) before exiting, thus explicitly telling the terminal device not to hang up the line when it is closed. I'd be surprised if equivalent functionality isn't present in other flavours of UNIX. My opinions; I do not speak for my employer. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 20:13:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:07:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:07:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!viking.cris.com!Pknoone From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter Noone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!! Date: 14 Nov 1995 20:13:37 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-Id: <48at9h$fun@spectator.cris.com> References: <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com> <48a7l0$rr0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>, : Peter Noone wrote: : > : > I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5 : > running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit : > using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was : > running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic : > that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted : > in single user mode. I recovered from this incident but am : > a little wary of running kermit again. : > : > Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of? : > : Plenty of them. They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the : release note. The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware" : file). I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode : program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the : user-mode program :-) << Lots of helpful info deleted >> Thanks Frank. I guess it's time for me to RTFM bigtime. I bought your book today, last copy at the Stanford Bookstore. Who needs a bidirectional modem port anyway :). Peter Noone pknoone@cris.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 18:00:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:51:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA17216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!br0w+ From: "Bruno W. Repetto" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with VMS CKermit Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:00:11 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help with CKermit. Last year I copied a not-so-new version of CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5. Never had a problem using it during all this time. Last week, I copied the same program to a similar DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5. I use ckermit to connect from the first computer to the second. The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one. The transfer of files time out. I am at a loss as to what I should be looking for to correct this problem. Can anybody help? Thanks! B Repetto From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 03:29:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:29:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA20832 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:29:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial Out from Kermit CMS Date: 15 Nov 1995 03:29:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <48bmpt$kaq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>, wrote: >I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to >a port on the terminal server setup for dialout. How do you actually send and receive files >though? I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to >local mode, but no luck. Kermit-CMS doesn't have a CONNECT mode. Since terminals on IBM mainframes (like other I/O devices there) talk in block mode, you simply cannot have a transparent session passing through to a remote character-mode host. Not only that, but the terminal connection is inherently half-duplex, so that even a partial implementation requiring the user to press an attention key after every ordinary keystroke would still fail to simulate a transparent session. You can run Kermit-CMS in local mode, but only by dialing into an alternate virtual terminal device. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 11:28:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:26:04 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA25753 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:26:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how? Message-Id: <1995Nov14.172800.66887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 17:28:00 MDT References: <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot) writes: > I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system. Am188em microcont- > roller from AMD. I need the source code to kermit, best without bios > or system calls. Any Ideas? > > Thanks, Don -------- That's a tall order. We don't have source code for a microcontroller. That means you will have to roll your own, oh joy, or contract with someone do it. As encouragement Kermits have been written in silicon before, one version a long time ago, and another version in HP 48 calculators (current). Sources for both are not publically available, sigh. I have no idea of what an Am188em has on the inside so advice on how tough the task will be is not possible in this message. Finally, another encouragement is the Kermit protocol is designed such that the least feature-full implementations can work with the fanciest. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 11:21:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA17735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS? Message-Id: <1995Nov14.172106.66884@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 17:21:06 MDT References: <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) writes: > We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement > flow control between the modem and the computer. > > At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end > the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff. > > With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this > occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end, > and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in > response. > > Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I > assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of > it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff > which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to > RTS/CTS. > > Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the > Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode? > > -- > Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk > Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J > Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ > Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. --------- What's needed is for each leg of the comms pathway to flow control between the boxes terminating that leg, or do only end to end flow control with transparency along the link. The latter approach is simpler but suffers from major worries of overrunning one of the intermediate boxes and of the overall byte storage of the comms channel (and it can be large). So Plan A is the desirable approach. Kermit won't do both XON/XOFF and RTS/CTS flow control at the same time, nor should it. You will need to have a little talk with each modem and the remote host about which kind of flow control is to be used where (hopefully hardware RTS/CTS so the channel remains totally transparent). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 19:54:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA17731 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:29:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!pirates!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.itg.ti.com!usenet From: rusty@iefm770.itg.ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 14 Nov 1995 19:54:38 GMT Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-Id: <48as5u$45p@dsk92.itg.ti.com> References: <48a6nq$rgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rusty@ti.com (Rusty Haddock) Nntp-Posting-Host: iefm770.itg.ti.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz writes: >In article , >Mark T. Regan wrote: >: Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, >: and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use >: Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control >: key doesn't produce any scan code. >: >There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by >themselves. In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you >can't map the key. >- Frank Even if you do get a scan code from SHOW KEY it won't necessarily be accepted by SET KEY. Case in point: [C:\] C-Kermit>show key Press key: {Press Shift PageUp} Key code \841 => Undefined [C:\] C-Kermit>set key \841 ?Invalid: set key \841 [C:\] C-Kermit>set key _ After pressing the 1 in 841 the error message is displayed. There are other key-combo/scan codes for which happens as well. There is a work around though. I have found that by converting the scan code to hexadecimal it will be accepted by SET KEY (e.g. SET KEY \x349 \Kscnup). This is for C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 (I'm running version 3.0 on an IBM PS/2 Model 77). -Rusty- -- Rusty Haddock, KD4WLZ MSGID: MWH2 ___ Texas Instruments Internet: rusty@ti.com |\/ o\ O POB 869305 MS 8515 Phone: (214) 575-6838 | ( -< o O Plano, Texas 75086 Fax: (214) 575-4351 |/\_V_/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 14:25:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:25:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:25:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with VMS CKermit Date: 15 Nov 1995 14:25:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <48ct98$iib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bruno W. Repetto wrote: : I need some help with CKermit. Last year I copied a not-so-new version of : CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not : the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5. Never had a problem using it : during all this time. Last week, I copied the same program to a similar : DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5. I use ckermit to connect from the first : computer to the second. The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the : second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one. : The transfer of files time out. I am at a loss as to what I should be : looking for to correct this problem. Can anybody help? : The manual, "Using C-Kermit", has an entire chapter (Chapter 6) devoted to this topic, plus additional material in the VMS Appendix. In other words, any number of things can go wrong -- there is no short answer. However, since most common cause for file transfer failure on VMS is buffer overruns, you might begin by looking at flow control and buffer sizes. See, in particular, the CKVINS.DOC file that contains installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 14 05:42:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:27:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:27:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ethernet / Kermit Message-Id: <1995Nov14.114236.66839@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 95 11:42:35 MDT References: <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:21401 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4131 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com>, tcmayo@eng112 (Tom Mayo N1RMU) writes: > Hello- > > I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN. My downstairs > neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no > problems. I want to add my 286 to the network. It has a 3COM 3C503 > and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd > line 3c503 0x78. It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would > like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes. > > Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at > 10.0.0.2. Communication between fang and tuning is superfine. The > 286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3. I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the > end of the message on cheesebox. The problem is that I get the following > message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt: > > resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1... > unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1 > unable to contact the host > the host may be down or a gateway may be needed > ?cannot start the connection Some Linux systems have terrible problems with ARP caches. I suggest you use the re-issue edition of MSK v3.14 (fetch from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip) which cures one bug in MSK's ARP code. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 15 05:45:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 03:16:52 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA14721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 03:16:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech2!news.sprintlink.net!news.cirrus.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!hustle.rahul.net!itz From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: protect modem under C-Kermit? Date: 15 Nov 1995 05:45:24 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 48 Message-Id: References: <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kronstadt.rahul.net In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 14 Nov 1995 14:00:15 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either > : fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or > : libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and, > : unfortunately, C-kermit. > : That's because > : 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before > : the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and > : reprogram it to their hearts' content. > : 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem > : options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable > : the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it > : to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time. > : > > Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to > solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum. Let me take a wild > guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want > users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it > (or worse). > Right on. > This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the > software. Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure" > version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and > defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of > brevity). No, not if access to the device is restricted and kermit (or whatever) runs setuid/setgid. > The place to solve the problem is the modem itself. Most > modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when > the phone connection is hung up. Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a > management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems > externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most > devious user could do to them. > OK, I will look at that. -- Ian T Zimmerman +-------------------------------------------+ P.O. Box 13445 I With so many executioners available, I Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do. I USA +-------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 13 20:01:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:36:48 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA06118 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:36:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A K95/W95 trick Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:01:06 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <4887ui$s32@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-66.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, it's not actually a trick, rather a convenient use of the capabilities of Windows95 and Kermit95. I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to "take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections. 1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep" in k95.ini 2. I copied tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to scripts\gamera.ksc (use any extension here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95 thinks they're screensaver files) 3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated it with the action: c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1" (This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt]; C means execute the Kermit command that follows) Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I put a shortcut to "gamera.ksc" in my start menu, and now a single click gets me there without messing with the dialer ... convenient! And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe. And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder (with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script". Enjoy! - Vince - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 15:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA08501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:24:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: extended ASCII characters Date: 16 Nov 1995 15:04:03 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an acute accent.) When I look at files I've transfered with the type command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT computer. Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 19:19:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:19:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA14284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:19:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extended ASCII characters Date: 16 Nov 1995 19:19:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <48g2s0$du7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display : characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit : and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII : characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on : my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an : acute accent.) : So then this must be MS-DOS Kermit, right? What version? The current version is 3.14. Proper display of many different character sets is an integral feature of MS-DOS Kermit. The mechanics are explained in detail in Chapter 13 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Is Kermit's PARITY set to NONE? Assuming it is, then it sounds like you have set up Kermit correctly (check with SHOW TERMINAL), so I expect that the host is simply not sending all 8 bits. It is likely that you need to give a command at the host to make it stop chopping off the 8th bit. The exact format of the command would depend on the host. In SunOS it would be "stty pass8". In VMS, "set terminal/eight", and so on. If you are going through a terminal server, it too might need some command for 8-bit transparency. : When I look at files I've transfered with the type command, I see the : IBM graphics character for the character number I expected (in the : 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT computer. : How do you mean "transfered with the type command"? You mean you used LOG SESSION on the PC to capture a file that you typed on the host? This raises two questions: 1. Why not use Kermit protocol to transfer the file? This will handle the character-set conversion for you. 2. Why do you get 8-bit characters in your log file if you don't see them on your screen? This one is a puzzle, and I can't offer any hints without a more detailed report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 18:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:59:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA02471 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 23:59:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!mv!mv.mv.com!lakewood From: lakewood@mv.mv.com (Lakewood Corporation) Subject: Kermit problems Keywords: kermit Message-Id: Summary: having problems with kermit 3.11 Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:53:39 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mv.mv.com Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following messages: "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition" - when downloading a file using a macro. "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here" - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message: "Memory Allocation Error" "Cannot Load Command" "System Halted" I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there a faq that discusses these issues? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 00:24:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA20874 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 19:24:15 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when connecting to a server by modem. I've looked at the modem software and turned the speakers off. Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using the software's terminal and dialing out. All these is done under windows. However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit software, the noice just wakes my family up. Any help?. Sincerely, Emmanuel. a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other purposes. However, my University computing services help desk suggested that 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably paraphrasing grossly.) 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition, which I found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point too deeply. Thanks, Alexander Ng From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 06:40:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA20879 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:40:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.kei.com!wang!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!kopc.hhs.dk!lav From: lav@kopc.hhs.dk (Lars Vangsgaard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reusing local Kermit commands? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 16 Nov 95 16:11:10 CET Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Reply-To: lav@ko.hhs.dk Nntp-Posting-Host: kopc.hhs.dk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and edit and press Enter. Thanks in advance, Lars Vangsgaard From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 22:51:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:35 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with special characters in Output strings Date: 16 Nov 1995 17:51:14 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 39 Sender: mike@knot.QueensU.CA Message-Id: <48gf92$5ps@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is with MSK 3.14 patch level 9. I have a login script that prompts for a password with ask and later uses output to send the password at the appropriate time. Pretty standard stuff. My problem is that occasionally the password has a character that is somehow special to MSK. The trouble first came to light with a leading @ character. If, say, \%p is @blah, the statement output \%p\13 looks for an indirect file named blah. My solution to this was to translate @ characters in \%p as follows: asg \%p \Freplace(\%p,@,\{64}) This solves the leading @ problem. Then I got a report from somebody with a leading ) in their password. I tried many permutations on curly bracket quoting and \F functions like \Fcontents but could not come up with a combination that MSK liked. I'm willing to admit that I do not understand MSK's parsing rules but I'm fairly convinced that many of the combinations I tried were reasonable and produced unreasonable results. Regardless, I eventually gave up beating my head on the \Freplace function and looked again at the output function. To solve the leading @ and ) characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to: output {\%p\13} If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails when \%p begins with }. I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is to simply . -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 14:43:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:43:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:43:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reusing local Kermit commands? Date: 17 Nov 1995 14:43:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <48i71o$sps@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>, Lars Vangsgaard wrote: : Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at : the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey : usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and : edit and press Enter. : C-Kermit and Kermit 95 have this feature, but as yet MS-DOS Kermit does not. If you are running it in a window, you should be able to copy and paste commands that are still visible. And of course, you can also gather commonly used commands together into command files or macros for reuse. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 14:47:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:47:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:47:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: 17 Nov 1995 14:47:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <48i7a0$ssd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Emmanuel Koku wrote: : Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the : speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when : connecting to a server by modem. I've looked at the modem software and : turned the speakers off. Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using : the software's terminal and dialing out. All these is done under : windows. However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit : software, the noice just wakes my family up. Any help?. : Follow these steps: 1. Look in your modem manual to find out the command to turn off the speaker. It is usually something like ATM0. 2. Give this command to your modem prior to dialing. If you want the speaker always to be off, then you can add the ATM0 command to your Kermit dialing script, or (if you modem allows this), you can save the modem's configuration after turning off the speaker -- the method for this depends on your modem (again, look in your modem manual). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 17 15:51:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:51:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 17 Nov 1995 15:51:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: tektronix emulator Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, Alexander Ng wrote: : How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS Kermit? I : got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my 386SX with : 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation incredibly : robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered that : graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. : It's actually a bit higher than that -- Tek4014, augmented by VT340 Sixel graphics capability plus ANSI coloration, all three of which may be freely intermixed. : After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending the output : of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to watch the : graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. : : I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other purposes. : However, my University computing services help desk suggested that: : : 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably : paraphrasing grossly.) : That's probably exactly what they said. This is merely an extension of the trendy and short-sighted view of many system administrators, Internet service providers, etc, that text is dead and all the world needs from now on is a Web browser. : 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats : likes gif, jpg, postscript, etc. : Tektronix is a compact line-drawing language. Sixel is a compact bitmap transmission language. These languages were designed long ago when transmission bandwidth was at a premium. The assumption nowadays is that bandwidth, CPU power, memory, and disk space are unlimited and no clever algorithms are needed to conserve them. : 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. : : Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator (which are : not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? : : I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition, which I : found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point too : deeply. : Terminal-oriented graphics languages like Tektronix and Sixel, just like text-terminal-oriented communications (like Telnet), still have their place, and I (for one) hope they always will. Web communication is predominantly one-way. It's like being spoon-fed whatever information the Web "content provider" wants you to see. Terminal-oriented communication is intrinsically interactive -- you participate actively, you contribute. While GIF, JPEG, etc, are hot buzzwords today, they are just another way of showing pictures to you. Tektronix / Sixel can do that too. For an idea of the power of this type of emulation, look at the MS-DOS Kermit graphics screen shots at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/shots.html But Tektronix graphics terminals (and emulators) like MS-DOS Kermit are more than just picture viewers -- they let you engage in interactive graphics modelling sessions. I trust that scientists and engineers who use Kermit in this way will pipe up with concrete examples. See, for example, the story about how Kermit's Tektronix emulation was used in the fight against AIDS in Kermit News #5: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#england The idea is that information can flow both ways. For example, the application can show a picture and then put up a crosshair cursor, which you can move about with the mouse or arrow keys, and then send back coordinates that can be processed by the application, which can then modify the picture, and so one. Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics like the ones shown in the screen shots. Using MS-DOS Kermit, you can access these applications in a uniform way over direct or dialed serial connections, TELNET connections, DECnet CTERM or LAT connections, and in numerous other ways. On slow modem connections, the compact encoding results in surprisingly good performance. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 19:03:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:13:01 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA05866 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:12:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 16 Nov 1995 19:03:03 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <48g1t7$2td@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alexander Ng (ang@math.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other : purposes. However, my University computing services help desk : suggested that : 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably : paraphrasing grossly.) X is better, certainly. : 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats : likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. True. : 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. Not a bad idea if your have a capable Windows system. : Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator : (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? Tektronix remains a very bandwidth efficient means of generating line graphs, and Kermit can do so promptly even with 8088's over a 2400 baud modem, and at low cost. VT100, of course, doesn't generate graphics at all. X-server software is powerful, but is most often quite sluggish over modem connections. Further, most good packages cost several hunderd dollars. If you have a 486 with 8 megs of RAM, as your computer center to supply you with a license for X-server software for your PC. Get the PPP software from them while you are at it; you will need it to run the X. Don't be surprised if they are unable to meet your request, or if they try to charge you four hundred dollars. Don't be disappointed with poor X server performance running over a modem. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 16 10:33:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:33:51 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 00:33:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Message-Id: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Nov 95 16:33:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "Mark T. Regan" writes: > Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, > and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use > Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control > key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running > WARP CONNECT. --------- There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps one answer will help others. The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves. They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all. Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back when this material was first being designed. You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes: Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter. That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS and DEL for different operating systems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:23:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: extended ASCII characters Message-Id: <1995Nov18.072309.67199@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:23:08 MDT References: <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display > characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit > and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII > characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on > my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an > acute accent.) When I look at files I've transfered with the type > command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I > expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT > computer. > Thanks, > David Stow ------------- A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:48 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reusing local Kermit commands? Message-Id: <1995Nov18.072521.67200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:25:20 MDT References: <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>, lav@kopc.hhs.dk (Lars Vangsgaard) writes: > Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at > the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey > usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and > edit and press Enter. > Thanks in advance, > Lars Vangsgaard --------- No. A MSK command line can be a long object (1KB) by the time all string substitutions are finished and thus storing older command lines uses too much memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 01:30:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 17:46:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Message-Id: <1995Nov18.073056.67201@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 95 07:30:56 MDT References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes: > My question is relatively naive, but here goes. > > How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS > Kermit? I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my > 386SX with 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation > incredibly robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered > that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. > After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending > the output of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to > watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic. > > I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other > purposes. However, my University computing services help desk > suggested that > 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably > paraphrasing grossly.) Well, the terminal hardware is certainly ancient, but the emulation marches on. > 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats > likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc. "Useful" is a relative term, and the list above is a PC-trained person's view of current toys. Ask the scientific establishment, or ask your Comp Center if they run SAS on the main machinery, or if WordPerfect is running on one of the Unix or VMS machines. > 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers. I don't understand what this has to do with your question to them. > Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator > (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 15:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:56:51 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:56:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!inquo!news.erinet.com!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key? Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 40 Message-Id: References: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Nov16.163336.67086@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 16 Nov 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article , "Mark T. Regan" writes: > > Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter, > > and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use > > Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control > > key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running > > WARP CONNECT. > --------- > There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps > one answer will help others. > The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves. > They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only > a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C > can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all. > Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what > Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a > composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the > Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing > is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable > word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back > when this material was first being designed. > You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes: > Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter. > That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these > results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS > and DEL for different operating systems. > Joe D. > Thanks. But are there any utility programs that can force a scan code to be produced by one of these keys? Since IBM's CM/2 and other 3270 packages allow you to set right control key to enter, I would think that a utility program could be devised to do the same thing and allow Kermit to think that it (right control) has a code too. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 19:58:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:47:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:47:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: "Daniel S. Larsen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - Polygon and lotus spread sheets Date: 19 Nov 1995 19:58:17 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 12 Message-Id: <48o28p$oas@news.internetmci.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1-dialup23.kansascity.mci.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem! What is the trick to kermit using polygon files from a pathworks server to my hard drive. It mlooks like it is loosing characters - the file is smaller on the C drive. Lotus doesn't like the file (invalid file type). I think it has to do with control characters or something?? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 18 19:14:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:44:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA00897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:44:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!ndata From: ndata@netcom.com (TechTel) Subject: C-Kermit and ZModem Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 19:14:04 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: ndata@netcom23.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to telnet to a BBS and upload/download from a SunOS system. I noticed that "kermit" had the capibility to open telnet sessions. I need to use ZModem or YModem-G though. Somebody told me that there are versions of kermit with sz/rz support....is this true? If so, could somebody point me in the direction of getting it? :) Or, if somebody knows of anyother program (which will run on SunOS) and provide the function I need, I would also be very greatfull.... Thanks ndata@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 13:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:25:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:25:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problems Message-Id: <1995Nov19.191657.67286@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 95 19:16:57 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , lakewood@mv.mv.com (Lakewood Corporation) writes: > Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following > messages: > > "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition" > > - when downloading a file using a macro. > > "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here" > > - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with > a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message: > > "Memory Allocation Error" > "Cannot Load Command" > "System Halted" > > I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there > a faq that discusses these issues? ---------- It does appear that your machine ran out of memory and it has memory managment difficulties. We discuss some of the common pitfalls of memory management in the MSK release notes, but obviously we cannot cover everything which can happen in this area. There is a newer edition of MSK, version 3.14, which you may find on the permanent Kermit distribution point of kermit.columbia.edu. Once there cd to kermit/msdos, get the binary file msvibm.zip which is the quick-start kit. Please try that first, and if the problem persists then tell us what you did when the error occurred. As much context as possible is useful. Joe D. ading @ and ) > characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to: > > output {\%p\13} > > If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails > when \%p begins with }. > > I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is > to simply . > -- > > Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca > Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA > Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 ---------- Mike, I'm embarassed. This kind of problem is inherent when text substitution occurs. The strings we see above are processed and reprocessed with substitution material and each time the parser sees the results. Thus "overloading" characters does cause difficulties as you have demonstrated. The way around them is typically to use the \number rendition of characters which are special to Kermit's command line syntax. \number material is converted by the OUTPUT command and normally is left intact during command parsing before that. The reason for embarassement is mainly that we haven't explained the subtleties of Kermit command syntax in ways that are easily understood. A supplementary reason is we ought to do a better job in the parser avoiding some, not all but some, of these situations. Believe me, substitution in the command parser is sophisticated to the point where the author (me) has to take time out to study up on how it works under some conditions. But in any case MSK's command syntax is stil far easier to deal with than Perl pgms. In the cases at hand, the leading @name item is documented and has been present for years. The example of out {\%p\13} is easily cured by omitting the curly braces shown above, and then the closing curly brace in \%p is treated as ordinary text (because there is no opening curly brace to trigger a search for a closing one). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 20 10:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA03396 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:00:35 -0500 From: taylorm@dcas.com (James T Musslewhite) Organization: LDS iAmerica Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet Message-Id: Control: cancel <48os9j$i5b@ns3.iamerica.net> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@pal.postech.ac.kr Subject: cmsg cancel <48os9j$i5b@ns3.iamerica.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:26:03 KST Approved: y Lines: 2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SPAM cancelled by jem@pal.postech.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 23:12:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:33:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA12138 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 03:33:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.Edu.TW!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!comet.np.ac.sg!93302179 From: Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Menu-Driven PhoneBook-Manager for Kermit? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:12:43 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nntp-Posting-User: 93302179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven "phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I can find them. Thank you, kung. 93302179@np.ac.sg --- isons on the different protocols. Thanks, David Maw maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 05:21:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:46:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA27004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:46:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.sys.pdp11 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!io.org!innuendo.tlug.org!telly!lethe!exorcist!pkelly From: pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) Subject: Kermit for rt11 on pdp11-23 ???? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Lines: 10 Organization: ETS.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 05:21:34 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4156 alt.sys.pdp11:387 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running rt11 . Can anyone in this small world help ??? Thanks in advance. Please let me know via mail -- Peter Kelly -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - my homepage! - -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 13:46:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:46:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA03158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:46:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Menu-Driven PhoneBook-Manager for Kermit? Date: 21 Nov 1995 13:46:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <48sl87$32k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> wrote: > Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven >"phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware >on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I >can find them. > Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and Windows NT comes equipped with a graphical Dialer that manages a database of all your connections, including all the relevant settings for each one, and makes your Telnet and dialup connections for you. Further information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 13:49:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:49:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA03189 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:49:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: Kermit for rt11 on pdp11-23 ???? Date: 21 Nov 1995 13:49:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <48slcn$33j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4158 alt.sys.pdp11:388 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Kelly wrote: >I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running >rt11 . Can anyone in this small world help ??? > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files krt*.* (text). There are also binaries in kermit/bin/krt*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 20 04:46:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:03:17 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:03:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Message-Id: <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 95 10:46:03 MDT References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes: > My question is relatively naive, but here goes. > > How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS > Kermit? I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my > 386SX with 6MB RAM. My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation > incredibly robust. In reading through the documentation, I discovered > that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode. FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a postscript plot from a Tek screen) and a couple of real Tek terminals I've pcked up from the local university's surplus equipment disposal programs (I have a Tek 4006 and a Tek 4105, but I don't know how to do anything with the 4105 beyond 4010 mode; I don't have a 4105 manual). -- -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Once again we see that clowning and anarchy ivie@cc.usu.edu | don't mix." -- The Tick http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 21:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA16842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: 21 Nov 1995 21:17:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <48tfm7$ge6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu>, Roger Ivie wrote: : FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can : easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can : whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like : displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a : particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to : Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a : postscript plot from a Tek screen) ... : And with MS-DOS Kermit, you can dump Tek screens in TIFF format, suitable for import into your favorite graphics package or converter. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 17:14:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:14:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA18566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:14:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit with Windows for Workgroups Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:30:54 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am trying to set up Kermit to use TCP on a machine running Windows for Workgroups. W4Wg does _not_ have the TCP stack installed so I am not violating Doupnik's Law. :-) I am using ODI drivers, ODIPKT and WINPKT. When Kermit is invoked, it does a bootp request and fails. The system works fine if I leave Windows and do a "net stop". This is a end user machine, so this is not a viable solution. Also, it is theoretically possible to run W4Wg TCP and Kermit TCP along side of each other by using different IP addresses. If someone could give me full details on this, I would appreciate it. I am somewhat familiar with ODI setups but have never dealt with NDIS. Thanks, JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 21 03:46:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA22715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:07:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!torn!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turning Off Dialing Signals. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:46:53 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 1 Message-Id: References: <9511210056.AA08366@sol.UVic.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9511210056.AA08366@sol.UVic.CA> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Melvin, Thanks for your advice. Cheers, Emmanuel From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 22 15:46:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:37:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07494 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:37:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.netvoyage.net!culver_pm1_20.netvoyage.net!user From: kcambra@netvoyage.net (Keith J. Cambra) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: minor "shell"? problem Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:46:17 -0800 Organization: Netvoyage Internet Access Provider Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: culver_pm1_20.netvoyage.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu this is a stupid question but i don't use dos much. when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit i am not able to switch to another directory. how can i fix this. has someone set some sort of security? keith ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Claris Emailer - "The Best Mail Program on Earth" ftp://ftp.claris.com/pub/USA-Macintosh/Trial_Software/ClarisEmailer1.0.hqx CIS GO CLARIS AOL Keyword Claris eWorld Shortcut Claris "Save Trees - Send Email" From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 22 15:07:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:38:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:37:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latin-1 characters Date: 22 Nov 1995 15:07:40 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 30 Message-Id: <48vebs$bes@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I posted the question below and I want to thank everyone who replied and share the answer in case anyone else has the same problem. > Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display > characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set? I've set the display to 8-bit > and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII > characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on > my screen. (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an > acute accent.) When I use the TYPE command to look at files > I've transfered with Kermit, I see the IBM graphics character for the > character number I expected (in the 128-256 range). I'm using the VT102 > emulation. ------------- > A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is > a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it > all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits. > Joe D. When I used the VT320 emulation I got the display I wanted. There is one trick I had to use which I'll mention even though it might be specific to my computer (Zenith-158) or programs (MS-DOS 3.1 and Kermit 3.0). If I set Kermit to VT320 before I put it into terminal mode for the first time (that is, before I have given a CONNECT or REPLAY command), I see the 8-bit characters when I do put it in terminal mode even if I later change the emulation setting to VT102. If Kermit is set to VT102 the first time I use CONNECT or REPLAY, I see only 7-bit characters even if I later change the emulation setting to VT320. David Stow From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 09:52:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:25:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:25:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Running kermit and getting errors - need help please Date: 24 Nov 1995 09:52:57 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <4944lp$gqv@newslink.runet.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rucs2-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am running kermit - I try to transfer files from my account to my personal machine. Kermit is installed on both machines but I am not sure about versions. The problem is that wnen I try to receive a file I get an error I can not decipher. This is the procedure I go through: kermit #on my machine C-prompt> set line /dev/tty00 #(I wonder if I have to do this everytime I ran # the program) C-prompt> set speed 19200 C-prompt> connect atmds=0 # dial the number $ kermit -r #from my account CTRL-/ CTRL-c #suspend the kermit session At this point I try to run get and receive commands but get errors: C-Kermit>get na.2 IRE ?Unexpected packet type #????? C-Kermit>receive na.2 TNTNTNTN #?????? So what I am doing wrong and what should I be doing instead of these commands? I would appreciate any comments via email. Thank you for your time. ============================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov email: ibelooze@runet.edu talk, finger: ibelooze@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu PGP-encrypted email is accepted - finger for public keys. ======= Exercising my First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution rights. ======= From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 17:08:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:34:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:34:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!not-for-mail From: bayers@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Jim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: xmit uuencoded file Date: 24 Nov 1995 09:08:02 -0800 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714-638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 15 Message-Id: <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting a uuencoded file. Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters. I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and terminal bytesize to 8. The parity is off and the character-set is set to transparent. The other communications programs I use can do this without any trouble. They use an 8-N-1 connection. Thanks in advance -- This is a test .sig From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 15:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:39:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:39:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!aimnet.com!netserv.com!pagesat.net!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: minor "shell"? problem Date: 24 Nov 1995 15:11:39 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 15 Message-Id: <494nbc$jgo@sloth.swcp.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keith J. Cambra (kcambra@netvoyage.net) wrote: : when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit : i am not able to switch to another directory. In MS-Kermit 3.14, you get to the dos-shell by typing "push" at the Kermit command prompt. You can then change directories. Type "exit" to return to Kermit. Kermit passes a few dos commands such as "dir" to dos without requiring you to switch to the shell - maybe that made you think you had the full shell capabilities. -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting helios@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/~helios From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 24 18:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:17:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01002 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:17:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: xmit uuencoded file Date: 24 Nov 1995 18:16:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <49526p$v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>, Jim wrote: >I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting >a uuencoded file. > >Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters. > >I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and >terminal bytesize to 8. The parity is off and the character-set is >set to transparent. > >The other communications programs I use can do this without any >trouble. They use an 8-N-1 connection. > Kermit 95 also uses an 8-N-1 connection by default. The terminal bytesize is 8 by default, but that has no bearing on file transfer. Kermit 95's default file transmission mode is BINARY. A uuencoded file is a text file composed of only 7-bit ASCII characters. When TRANSMIT'ing or SEND'ing a text file, you should first SET FILE TYPE TEXT. Also, since TRANSMIT is not an error-checked form of file transfer, make sure you have an adequate means of flow control. Buffer overruns could account for the garbled characters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 05:17:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:41:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24096 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: jfh@acm.org (Jack Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 05:17:29 GMT Organization: kd6ttl Lines: 16 Message-Id: <30b6a51a.214099132@165.113.1.21> References: <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu> <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl13.crl.com Summary: Copyright 1995 by Jack Hamilton X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In message <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full >support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of >Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics >like the ones shown in the screen shots. Although you can use SAS/GRAPH with Kermit, you can't use SAS/INSIGHT or other interactive procedures. I think this is unfortunate, given the cost and speed (or lack thereof) of X emulators, but SAS Tech Support told me earlier this year that there are no plans to support interactive graphics with Kermit. --------------------------- Jack Hamilton jfh@acm.org From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 02:37:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:15:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:15:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 25 Nov 1995 02:37:20 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 16 Message-Id: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14, one item was explained in the accompanying comment by "modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?). what is this? and what does it do in kermit/communications processes? i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs in the future? thanks, gideon gideon weisz oercb [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 03:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 13:19:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA25281 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:55:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!psuvax1!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Message-Id: <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 95 09:33:34 MDT References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com>, gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) writes: > in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14, > one item was explained in the accompanying comment by > "modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described > elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?). > > what is this? > and what does it do in kermit/communications processes? > > i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit > i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs > in the future? > thanks, > gideon > > gideon weisz oercb > [boulder, colorado] --------- BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment senses it. In short, it's normally not needed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 19:02:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:35:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:35:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news1.cris.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news.uh.edu!violet!pth61267 From: pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dump Screen Date: 25 Nov 1995 19:02:37 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 3 Message-Id: <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: violet.egr.uh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ??? The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why. Thanks guys. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 25 08:54:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:38:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05019 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 17:38:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dump Screen Message-Id: <1995Nov25.145424.67713@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 95 14:54:24 MDT References: <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu>, pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang) writes: > How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ??? > The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why. > Thanks guys. --------- It works fine. Recall that "End" means the white key on the numeric keypad, not the grey key on the special cursor area which is absent on 88-key keyboards. You can also use SHOW KEY to see if you have modified the default key definition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 02:05:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:43:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA12323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:43:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 26 Nov 1995 02:05:53 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 37 Message-Id: <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com> References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: THE ORIGINAL QUESTION DELETED : --------- : BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal : character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention : is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used : with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment : senses it. In short, it's normally not needed. : Joe D. But, Joe, in that case the question is still unanswered: why, in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14, is the choice made, that instead of the factory default, one should ask for "nondestructive/unexpedited" and the comment in the script was "modem passes break transparently". why is this preferable here, and would it not be preferable in other settings? The fact that "break" is normally not needed doesn't explain why the mskermit package prefers a setting that is not the default (in a Sportster, in this case, by the way, but that doesn't seem relevant) I believe that my entire question remains unanswered, and I would really like to understand it. (eg, what's expedited, what's unexpedited, what's the advantage of transparency versus nontransparency?, and in view of those answers, why prefer the particular non-default setting?) I hope this doesn't come across as too sticky. It seems like an interesting question, and I sure would like to know a little about what I'm doing in making a particular choice. I assume the original recommendation in the kermit package had some important rationale, and I would like to understand it. Thanks, and sorry to be so windy, Gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 17:00:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:01:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:00:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sixel graphics Date: 26 Nov 1995 12:00:11 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 6 Message-Id: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world) which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 05:46:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:23:26 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:23:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!simtel!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sixel graphics Message-Id: <1995Nov26.114622.67753@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Nov 95 11:46:22 MDT References: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world) > which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? > > marshall > -- > [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] --------- WordPerfect for VMS and for Unix systems, by design. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 15:11:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:41:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA27383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:41:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!hub.org!innuendo.tlug.org!telly!lethe!exorcist!pkelly From: pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) Subject: kermit telnet on WFWG?? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Lines: 31 Organization: ETS.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:11:07 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help. What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over an existing TCP/IP network. The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and I am running TCP/IP as the protocol. The network interface is a NE2000 from artisoft. All works fine there. What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated serial connection to a VAX. So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt. Well all this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX. I have tried remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right. Every one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you. Can anyone help with this config?? Anything would be appreciated - I am despirate! Thanks, Peter Kelly -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - my homepage! - -- -- - #include - -- -- -- - - - - - - - - -- -- <pkelly@ets.net> -- -- - My Homepage! - -- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 20:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:22:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:21:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,alt.sys.pc-clone.zeos,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.setup,comp.os.os2.multimedia,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: speeding up Kermit transfers (was Re: Help on File Trasnfer) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 26 Nov 1995 15:54:05 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 34 Expires: 24 Jan 1996 22:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <49ak5dINNaej@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <48nmfd$qd4@dobie.loop.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: speeding up Kermit transfers Keywords: Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000:62080 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:11971 alt.sys.pc-clone.zeos:4566 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:6687 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.setup:30607 comp.os.ms-windows.setup:38740 comp.os.os2.multimedia:20323 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4178 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article (a too-widely-cross-posted article, many groups removed for this followup), Fred Leung "Hong Kong Society for the Blind" writes: | | Hi everyone, | | I find it difficult for me to upload binary files from my PC to the IBM | RISC6000 using Zmodem. It is perfectly ok doing it another way round. | It is also ok to upload ASCII files. My next option in such a case has | been to use Kermit instead of Zmodem; however, the baud rate would be | unreasonably slow - 100+ BPS. My modem is 14.4k and that of the RISC6000 | is 9.6k. How to increase the speed, or better still, how to use Zmodem | to achieve the transfer, please? | | Fred | fleung@hkbu.edu.hk In the world of serial communications, this is one of the all-time most Frequently Asked Questions. Alas, this question has received many poor answers. Most novice computer users don't understand how many factors make a difference in successful communication. A full discussion of the problem is too large for this space. For the official Columbia University Kermit advice, point your World Wide Web browser at this URL: http://www.cc.columbia.edu/kermit/faq-c-zmo.html#faq-c-zmo -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "The first to present his case seems right, ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | till another comes forward and questions him." ...Info-Stratus contact| Proverbs 18:17 NIV From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 26 10:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:26:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA06817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 21:26:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit telnet on WFWG?? Message-Id: <1995Nov26.162130.67758@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Nov 95 16:21:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) writes: > I need some help. > > What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over > an existing TCP/IP network. > > The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and > I am running TCP/IP as the protocol. The network interface is a NE2000 > from artisoft. All works fine there. > > What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated > serial connection to a VAX. So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in > and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt. Well all > this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX. I have tried > remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right. Every > one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the > existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you. ----------- We discuss these situations in the Kermit release notes. To give only the bottom line here: one may not run two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. Let's assume that you have avoided this pit-fall and Kermit successfully connects to your Unix machine. CU is a pretty horrid piece of software and it is unrelated to Kermit. May I recommend using CKermit on the Unix machine and then matters will progress better. The reason is you need data transparency on the Unix machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:10:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:10:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09397 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:10:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function? Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:10:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <49cgsm$95j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com> <1995Nov25.093334.67695@cc.usu.edu> <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com>, Gideon Weisz wrote: : why, in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14, is the : choice made, that instead of the factory default, one should ask for : "nondestructive/unexpedited" and the comment in the script was "modem : passes break transparently". why is this preferable here, and would it : not be preferable in other settings? : Many computers and services do, in fact, need the terminal or terminal emulator to send the Break signal in order to get their attention. If the modem is not configured in this way, it will absorb or act on the the Break itself, rather than passing it on to the host. One example of such a host is the IBM mainframe, with which communication is half-duplex (two-way alternate). The only way to get its attention when you do not have permission to transmit is to cause an error -- this is done by sending a Break. The error causes an interrupt on the mainframe side, allowing the application to be interrupted, turn the line around, or similar action. Another example is the time-honored "baud-rate" recognition method used by UNIX. These and other uses of the Break signal are described in detail in the Kermit books. The reason modems have settings concerning how to handle Break is mostly a consequence of the Hayes patent on the "guard time" around the modem's escape sequence. When modem manufacturers stopped incorporating guard time, they needed to provide a "safe" way of escaping back to the modem's command processor without dropping the connection, and most of them made Break (or Long Break) a way to do this -- but of course, that would prevent you from sending Break to the host. Thus the setting. The nice thing about Kermit's dialing scripts is that anybody can change them if they don't do exactly what you want them to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:13:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:13:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sixel graphics Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:13:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <49ch2l$97u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49a6er$lr5@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, Marshall G. Flax wrote: > Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix > world) which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features? > In addition to SAS and host-based WordPerfect, you can also use Kermit's Sixel display with any other application that has a Sixel driver. One example would be the Ghostscript PostScript viewer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 06:18:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:45:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA28735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 06:45:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock Date: 28 Nov 1995 14:18:56 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 9 Message-Id: <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit 95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something? -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 13:43:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:43:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA10094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 08:43:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock Date: 28 Nov 1995 13:43:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <49f3le$9rc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: >When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit >95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at >the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an >oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something? > Neither. It's a bug in Windows 95. The Windows APIs that read the keyboard at the level at which Kermit reads it (in order to get scan codes) actually return these values. The same EXE file, when run on Windows NT, gets proper key values -- that is, Caps Lock is Caps Lock, not Shift Lock, in NT. The only way to fix this in Kermit is to change it from a Console application to full GUI application, which allows us to use a different set of APIs, which are better supported by Microsoft. We are working on that now, for this and other reasons. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 27 14:56:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:07:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21778 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:07:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.corpcomm.net!news.bahnhof.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!erinews.ericsson.se!cnn.exu.ericsson.se!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Message-Id: <1995Nov27.205628.67956@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Nov 95 20:56:28 MDT References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) writes: > I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem > with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. > Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't > work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use > kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer > does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use > of kermit. ----------- It could be the modem is peculiar (lots are these days) or more likely that another object in Win95 thinks it owns that serial port. Some work with the Control Panel and Win95 in general is suggested. Don't forget to check for IRQ and i/o port conflicts, despite what Plug and Play blurbs say. Kermit is going through the Win95 serial port handler and the symptoms you report suggest the problem is somewhere in the Win95 material. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 00:56:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:52:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28205 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:52:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.stanford.edu!fahn From: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 28 Nov 1995 00:56:10 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: arcata.stanford.edu Originator: fahn@nntp.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use of kermit. Any ideas? Paul From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 28 05:02:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:38:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:38:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:02:36 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-Id: <95332.100236HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) says: >I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem >with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. >Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't >work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use >kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer >does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use >of kermit. >Any ideas? This may not have anything to do with Windows 95. When MS-Kermit exits it does not drop the phone connection (a very nice feature which allows MS-Kermit to be used as a dialer for TCP/IP services). That is, are you sure the modem is hung up? Using only the MS-Kermit hangup subcommand is dependent on the modem's DTR setting. Suggest you make certain the modem is hung up by: 1) Logging off your host computer normally. This may or may not render a modem NO CARRIER message. If it does, you're done. If not, go to Step 2. 2) While still at the MS-Kermit host screen, issue the modem escape sequence (default is +++, ASCII 43 in modem register 2). After typing this 3-character escape sequence from the host screen, you should see the response OK; now issue ATH (modem hangup). Then try using COM port again. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 02:36:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:14:26 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14685 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:14:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!psdcomms.psd.com.au!stuart From: stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:36:58 GMT Organization: Prometheus Software Lines: 15 Message-Id: <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm370 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: : I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem : with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. (etc...) Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) -- Stuart Park Melbourne, Australia Senior Analyst/Programmer E-mail: stuart@psd.com.au Prometheus Software From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 14:01:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:01:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA10135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:01:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:01:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au>, Stuart Park wrote: : Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: : : I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem : : with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. : (etc...) : : Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. : And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either : available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. : rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) : Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed specifically for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect. Full info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 11:25:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:38:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:38:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!jvjena From: jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joachim von-Jena) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with K95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 11:25:57 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 103 Message-Id: <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: hombre.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95. I bought Kermit 95 from the Kermit Distribution and have updated to ver. 1.1.1. I use Kermit 95 on a system with Windows NT 3.51 SP2: Hardware: Mainbord: ASUS PVI-486SP3 BIOS 0207, 486DX, 32MB RAM, Hostadapter: Adaptec 2940 SCSI harddisks: IBM DPES 31080S and Quantum LP270S Graphic card: Mach 64 Turbo VLB Serial communication: On-board SMC37C665GT Multi-I/O chip on COM2 Modem: ATT DATAport 2001. My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines: set modem type att-dataport set port com2 set speed 57600 set dial method Tone set dial country-code 49 set dial area-code 30 set dial ld-prefix 0 set dial intl-prefix 00 set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13 set dial timeout 30 set priority regular set protocol zmodem set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN set key \1379 \3 set key \2402 \124 set key \2404 \60 set key \2406 \62 define dialin - :loop, dial \%1, - xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, - connect I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of flow-control. The documentation for Windows Nt says (README.WRI): "25.5 Running Serial Communications Applications: For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications protocols that support end-to-end flow control. Serial flow control protocol Flow control ... ZMODEM *) No *) Some applications allow flow control with ZMODEM. For example, you can enable flow control with Procomm Plus 2 by setting the Transmit Method to 4K WINDOW." Is there a way to set a packet-length/window size in Kermit 95? Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was interupted with ZModem? Is this done automatically or by a special command? I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but the remapped <, >,| keys work). (Perhaps you wonder why to remap <,>,|. I use a MF101 keyboard with german key mapping. These characters are on the lacking 102th key of a german standard MF102 keyboard between the left Shift-key and the Z-key. So I normally have no <,>,| keys at all) . So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! What about an error that I get on every dial timeout: The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT : An application error has occurred and an application error is being generated: K95.exe Exception: access violation (0xc0000005), Address 0x00026a3f Kermit 95 gives the message: Dial Failure: No Carrier Dial Failure: Your reactions are highly appreciated. Joachim von Jena email jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 22:10:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with K95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 22:10:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Message-Id: <49ilnu$rad@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, Joachim von-Jena wrote: : I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95 [1.1.1]. : ... : My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines: : : set modem type att-dataport : set port com2 : set speed 57600 : set dial method Tone : set dial country-code 49 : set dial area-code 30 : set dial ld-prefix 0 : set dial intl-prefix 00 : set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13 : set dial timeout 30 : set priority regular : set protocol zmodem : set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN : set key \1379 \3 : set key \2402 \124 : set key \2404 \60 : set key \2406 \62 : define dialin - : :loop, dial \%1, - : xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, - : connect : You don't need a macro for this -- you can just SET DIAL RETRIES and DIAL INTERVAL -- providing Deutsche Telekom does not object :-) : I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their : network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as : CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself : the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of : flow-control. : And how is your connection with TU-Berlin? Do you dial into a terminal server and then make a telnet connection to a UNIX (or other) server? Or do you start PPP or SLIP service on the terminal server and then make a Telnet connection from K-95? In any case, these problems might be caused by either a buffer overrun (most likely when uploading) or a timeout (most likely when downloading). Maybe even by a malfunctioning terminal server that loses or scrambles data under conditions of extremely heavy load. Buffer overruns should be cured by local flow control between each modem and the device it is directly connected to -- in general this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. : For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications : protocols that support end-to-end flow control. : ZMODEM and Kermit both do that. At the K-95> prompt just do this: set protocol zmodem - or - set protocol kermit set window 1024 set window 20 Note: In ZMODEM, "window size" is more like "packet length", expressed as the number of bytes. In Kermit, "window size" is expressed as the number of packets. Another note: The Zmodem window size presently can not be set in the Dialer. : Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was : interupted with ZModem? : Yes (but see below). : Is this done automatically or by a special command? : You must tell the file sender to resume. Depending on which ZMODEM software you are using, this might be a command-line option like "-r". The file receiver (Kermit 95) understands this and appends to the partial file rather than starting a new file. : I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my : K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but : the remapped <, >,| keys work). : Whose advice was that? Note that key mapping is effective only in the terminal screen, not the command screen. : So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! : You can interrupt a Zmodem transfer with Ctrl-C -- at least on a US keyboard. Kermit 95 returns to its prompt. The partially received file is kept, so the file transfer can be resumed. We don't have access to a German keyboard or driver here, so maybe you can help us by explaining why you felt that you had to remap Ctrl-C. In trying to reproduce the problems you are reporting, however, we discovered that the Zmodem recovery feature failed when a recovery was attempted in the same session where the original failure occurred. Thus, as you observed, if you leave Kermit 95 and start it up again, you can recover the download. This problem will be fixed in the second patch, which will be available soon, most likely within a week. : What about an error that I get on every dial timeout: : : The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT : : An application error has occurred and an application error is being : generated: : Exception: access violation : This is very interesting. We can't reproduce it here on NT 3.50 using Kermit 95 1.1.1. Dial timeouts work perfectly here, even short ones like yours. Perhaps you could collect a debug log ("log debug" prior to dialing, which produces a file called debug.log) and then send it by email it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 19:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:07:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08371 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:07:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dgis.dtic.dla.mil!sc2c526a.ra.osd.mil!nova.sti.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Running C-Kermit as a Service Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:10:50 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell? I'm guessing this would increase file transfer performance. Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 15:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:53:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA08598 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:53:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!RacerX.mse.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!szgyula From: szgyula@tarkus.pha.jhu.edu (Gyula Szokoly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 29 Nov 1995 15:19:43 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore Lines: 21 Message-Id: <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.169 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed specifically >for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial >communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52 >and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in >Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect. Full info at: Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what about Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's quite important for us). Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores? My 2cents, Gyula -- Gyula P. Szokoly (szgyula@skysrv.pha.jhu.edu) -------------------------------\ | When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according| |to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom| |because that is according to my principles. -- Frank Herbert| From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 07:05:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:07:00 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:06:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!news1.cris.com!news From: jamaican@cris.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what's the current version of Kermit Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:05:34 GMT Organization: CRIS Lines: 5 Message-Id: <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: jamaican@cris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: crc6-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running an older version, what's the most current version of Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...? thanks From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:44:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:45:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20129 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:45:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:44:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <49kqir$jkp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu>, Gyula Szokoly wrote: >In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95. Developed : >specifically for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread : >serial communications program and Winsock Telnet client with : >VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features : >you would expect in Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not : >expect. Full info at: : : Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what : about Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's : quite important for us). : Kermit 95 does not do Tektronix emulation, but that is a high priority for us. Oddly enough, there was a recent posting to this group asking "what good is Tektronix emulation?" (in this age of Web browsers and GIF files). We'd be interested in hearing why Tek emulation is important at JHU, when the common wisdom seems to be that it is "obsolete". : Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores? : It has not made it into the chains yet. There is evidently a chicken- and-egg situation in which the stores must first be convinced there is a demand for it. Anybody who wants to help out with this is welcome to look at our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for the contact info of the distributor, and then ask their local software retailer to contact the distributor for stock. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:49:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:49:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20352 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:49:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running C-Kermit as a Service Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:49:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <49kqqk$jrs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to >circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell? I'm guessing >this would increase file transfer performance. > Windows 95, Windows NT, OS/2: Yes. Other operating systems (UNIX, VMS, etc): Not yet. It's more difficult to implement this on multiuser operating systems, because of authentication and security issues. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what's the current version of Kermit Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:51:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <49kqu4$jta@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com>, Dwight Hugget wrote: >I am running an older version, what's the most current version of >Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...? > From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 2 WHAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF KERMIT? Kermit 95 Windows 95 and NT: 1.1.1 Nov 14 95 MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows: 3.14 May 21 95 PL9 C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, VOS, etc: 5A(190) Oct 4 94 C-Kermit for OS/2: 5A(191) Apr 24 95 Mac Kermit (NOT A REAL RELEASE): 0.991(190) Aug 94 IBM Mainframe Kermit: 4.3.1 Feb 95 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 21:25:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:54:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24814 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:54:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:25:47 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc03du02.ppp.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? Mike *----------------------------------------------------* | Michael R. Izquierdo mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu | | NC State University (919) 515-5348 | | Center for Advanced Computing and Communication | *----------------------------------------------------* From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 22:01:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:01:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA29906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:01:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 30 Nov 1995 22:01:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Mike Izquierdo wrote: >Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 17:05:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:39:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:39:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!indra.com!coopnews.coop.net!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set speed 57600 Date: 29 Nov 1995 17:05:02 GMT Organization: CAASD Lines: 28 Message-Id: <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: w800-11.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem. I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command I get: ?No keywords match - 57600. I've set the local terminal speed to 57600 and can get connected to the remote computer at the higher baud rate outside of kermit. Is there anything I can do to try the higher baud rate? A side note. Kermit works fine at 38400 and I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency) using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering a large (900,000 byte) binary file. However, when I use more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency, 480 CPS) I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind trying the higher speed... BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful and I did BUY THE BOOK. I also checked the FAQ. Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 12:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 04:27:04 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA20443 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 04:27:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Message-Id: <1995Nov29.183309.68206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Nov 95 18:33:09 MDT References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo) writes: > Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > > Mike > *----------------------------------------------------* > | Michael R. Izquierdo mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu | > | NC State University (919) 515-5348 | > | Center for Advanced Computing and Communication | > *----------------------------------------------------* ---------- Michael, I thought the job location would have given the answer. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, not a pure Windows program. Only pure Windows programs can directly couple to winsock TCP/IP stacks. MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack which, as explained at length in the MSK docs, can be used within Windows, but one may not have two or more such stacks at one time. Just unload the winsock guy and go for it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 18:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:09:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA21572 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:09:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech2!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.hawaii.edu!bzhang From: bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu (Bin Zhang) Subject: Auto download: how? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:04:03 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: Right now I have to do it this way: 1. C-Kermit> send file 2. Alt-x 3. MS-Kermit> receive Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bin Zhang bzhang@Hawaii.Edu Automation Librarian (808) 734-9254 Kapiolani Community College 4303 Diamond Head Road University of Hawaii Honolulu, HI 96816 World Wide Web (URL): http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bzhang/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 14:48:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:48:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16087 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:48:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set speed 57600 Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:48:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-Id: <49n4jh$fmi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: : I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer : a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem. : I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running : VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command : I get: ?No keywords match - 57600. : Are you dialing out from VMS or dialing into it? If you are dialing into it, this should not be an issue. : I've set the local terminal speed to 57600 : and can get connected to the remote computer : at the higher baud rate outside of kermit. : : Is there anything I can do to try the higher : baud rate? : Let's assume you are dialing out from VMS. In that case, the problem is that C-Kermit does not believe that VMS supports 57600 bps as a valid speed. In fact, until recently, VMS did not support any speeds above 19200. Nor did it support RTS/CTS flow control. What happens if you do this? -- Before starting Kermit, tell VMS to: set term txa2 /speed=57600 /perm Then start Kermit, type "show comm" and see what it says about the speed. : A side note. Kermit works fine at 38400 and : I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency) : using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering : a large (900,000 byte) binary file. However, when I use : more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency, : 480 CPS) : That's no doubt because of buffering and flow control deficiencies in your setup -- the terminal server and/or VMS itself. Buffering can be improved in SYSGEN or AUTOGEN. See the CKVINS.DOC file for lots of information about this. Until you beef up the VMS and/or terminal server configuration, you're not going to get better performance no matter what your communication speed is. : I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind : trying the higher speed... BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful : and I did BUY THE BOOK. I also checked the FAQ. : Thanks * 2. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 14:53:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:53:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16180 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto download: how? Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:53:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <49n4td$fpg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bin Zhang wrote: : I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. : But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: : : Right now I have to do it this way: : : 1. C-Kermit> send file : 2. Alt-x : 3. MS-Kermit> receive : : Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the : receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. : Look in your Kermit directory at the file KERMIT.UPD and read section 10, "The APC Escape Sequence". By the way, Kermit 95 (for Windows 95 and NT) also detects incoming Kermit or Zmodem packets during terminal emulation and switches into receive mode (using the appropriate protocol) automatically, and back to connect mode when the transfer is done. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 06:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:39:41 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:39:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.magicnet.net!nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.u.washington.edu!root From: Eric Deutsch Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ymodem receive through kermit Date: 1 Dec 1995 06:33:09 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 45 Message-Id: <49m7j5$s0n@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dione.astro.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) To: deutsch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Hello all, I'm trying to write a script which automatically downloads files from a machine on a terminal server. Due to bad luck, the machine is only capable of using the Ymodem protocol, so I'm trying to get kermit to download with Ymodem protocol. First of all, I am using: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Now, with the kermit distribution came a file called ckurzsz.ini which supposedly will do what I want. It allows XYZmodem transfers with the following caveat: ; It is assumed that sx, rx, sb, rb, sz, and rz are in your UNIX PATH, and ; that they are the pre-1989 versions that allow their standard input and ; output to be redirected. I do have rb in my $PATH, but it appears to be vintage: rb 3.17 10-30-91 for V7/BSD by Chuck Forsberg, Omen Technology INC Needless to say, the transfers are not working for me, and I suspect this is the reason (but I'm certainly not sure!). When the run rb, I get: C-Kermit>rb rb ready. Type "sb file ..." to your modem program ?Command exit status: 1 So finally for the questions: has anyone used these XYZmodem macros and programs through kermit successfully? or does anyone have some "pre-1989 version" of `rb` for a Sun4 that I might use (or know how to get it)? or does anyone have a suggestions of how I can write a script which allows me to telnet someplace and receive a Ymodem transfer, or any other wisdom about what might be going wrong? kermit seems to have solved all other problems but this one... any ideas? thanks, Eric -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Deutsch email: deutsch@astro.washington.edu Department of Astronomy Voice: (206) 616-2788 University of Washington FAX: (206) 685-0403 Box 351580 WWW: http://www.astro.washington.edu/deutsch Seattle, WA 98195-1580 Physics/Astronomy Bldg., Room B356F From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 16:37:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:09:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00324 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:09:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screenscrapers, HLL API, ??? Message-Id: <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 29 Nov 95 12:37:05 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit folks... I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API. Will Kermit use it? Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper? The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh... point and click, etc. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 22:14:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:50:20 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:50:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!datalytics!news.ahc.ameritech.com!news.heurikon.com!daffy!uwvax!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!smail1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE!a2289091 From: a2289091@athena.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Axel Conrad) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Date: 30 Nov 1995 22:14:26 GMT Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 1 Message-Id: <49lac2$slr@news.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: a2289091@athena.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: smail1.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 19:57:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:13:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:13:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech2!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:57:35 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 24 Message-Id: <49idvj$hsv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip234.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) wrote: >Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: >: I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem >: with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. >(etc...) >Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. >And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either >available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. >rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) Actually there is a Win95 version. It's called Kermit'95 (K'95). Have a look at Kermit's homepage (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html). Unfortunately it's the first Kermit version,that's no longer available for free (~57$). Greetings Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 00:24:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:24:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:24:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screenscrapers, HLL API, ??? Date: 2 Dec 1995 00:24:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <49o6b3$56o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: : I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts : on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API. : : Will Kermit use it? Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put : menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper? : : The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh... : point and click, etc. : Long question, short answer: no. You'll need to buy one of those high- priced commercial screen scrapers -- they are kind of a specialty item and don't come cheap. Alternatively, you could point out to your users that it really isn't so very hard to use Ingres menus -- especially after finding out what the screen scraper would cost, and the horrible consequences that always ensue from using this approach when, later, after the ones who put it together are long gone, the underlying (scraped) screens change format and nobody's once "seamless" applications work any more and nobody knows why... Well maybe the answer wasn't so short... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 16:09:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:07:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:07:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!demon!peer-news.britain.eu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: K95 installation Message-Id: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:09:23 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to install it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I used add/remove to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows and task bar disappeared and It looks like a DOS kermit. I tried to get the patch from BBS but can not find it in download area. I do not know how to start another ftp session because I can not use W95 in K95. I think there must be a file K95 uses but was not installed in W95. Please help me. Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and bounce me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and usr). PCANYWHERE dislays the working initialization commands but I need some help to find a proper place to put them in for K95. I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked fine. But when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp connection established by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the Dial-Up networking window if DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP. Trumpet is used because I hope I can set the PC to answer the calls rather than dialup. Thank you for your help. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 14:15:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:23:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA25109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:23:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto download: how? Message-Id: <1995Nov30.201503.68350@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Nov 95 20:15:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu (Bin Zhang) writes: > I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. > But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: > > Right now I have to do it this way: > > 1. C-Kermit> send file > 2. Alt-x > 3. MS-Kermit> receive > > Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the > receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. --------- The easiest approach is this way: 1. C-Kermit> server 2. Alt-x 3. MS-Kermit> get filename or send filename That gives you more flexibility. "filename" can contain wild cards to deal with a group of files. These commands are explained well in the user's manuals, the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit." Try typing HELP at the MSK command prompt and see the book reference. There are more advanced techniques but I think they are best left alone until you feel comfortable with standard ones. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 17:57:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 12:57:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA18865 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 12:57:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 installation Date: 2 Dec 1995 17:57:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <49q42j$idf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to : install it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I : used add/remove to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows : and task bar disappeared and It looks like a DOS kermit. : Instead of using add/remove to install it, please just run the setup program direct from the diskette. The Kermit 95 terminal/command screen runs in a Windows 95 console window. Do you have your console windows configured for full screen? Directions for obtaining the 1.1.1 patch were posted to this list a while back; they are reproduced below. : Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and : bounce me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and : usr). PCANYWHERE dislays the working initialization commands but I need : some help to find a proper place to put them in for K95. : What kind of modem do you have? What kind of modem did you tell Kermit that you have? Did you read the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC? It explains how to alter modem configurations and add new modems. : I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked : fine. But when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp : connection established by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the : Dial-Up networking window if DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if : Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP. Trumpet is used because I hope I can set : the PC to answer the calls rather than dialup. : Kermit 95 presently does not work with Trumpet Winsock. Version 1.1.2, which will be announced shortly (as a patch) should address this problem but only for the new 32-bit Winsock. Kermit 95 does not interface with any 16-bit Winsock package. Patch 1: Version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, available to current users of Kermit 95 as a patch: You may download the patch from our BBS or you can ftp in binary mode from the Internet Kermit archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/* To apply Patch Number 1: . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory. This is not only a safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version. . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in binary mode: w110-111.rtp w110-111.rtd patch.exe . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command: patch w110-111.rtp . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly, that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been altered. After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding, as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 15:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:52:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:52:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 01 Dec 1995 15:15:48 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Nov 1995 22:01:48 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Mike Izquierdo wrote: >Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. You mean the next patch to K95, right? Just clarifying. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 21:52:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:52:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA27048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:52:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 2 Dec 1995 21:52:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <49qhr3$qd0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James K. Huggins wrote: :In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, : Mike Izquierdo wrote: : > Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? : > : Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the : next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. : :You mean the next patch to K95, right? Just clarifying. : Right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 19:28:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:38:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:38:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 DEC 95 19:28:05 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore I can't use it to download binary files. It appears to me that the terminal, not the host, is responsible for this. And when I run Kermit 3.0, its imitation of a VT causes nulls (ASCII 0) to get lost; indeed it alters the data more than a real DEC VT does, according to a comparison of its behaviour with the specs quoted on p. 28 of the Guide. But the KERMIT.BWR file that accompanies Kermit 3.14 claims that the "controller" mode prints transparently: ALL characters go the printer so long as Parity is set to NONE. If this be true, then Kermit 3.14 and 3.0 are not alike in this respect! (And this file got the purpose of the on/off sequences backwards...) Is there a newer control pair, perhaps introduced with VT340 & up, that sends all characters unchanged to the slave printer? Please note that VT ser- vices "Print cursor line, Print screen" are useless to me here. Or do you know for a fact that Kermit 3.14 doesn't mess up its print- only input by changing nulls etc? If the answer to both these questions is "no", then somehow telling VTWWW to download its current file with the CKermit "SEND" command is the only way to capture it to local disk. Either that or using a term type acceptable to the host, WYSE maybe, that can actually do transparent printing. Because the "LOG SESSION" option, which IS transparent, will be stymied by the fact that the binary file will be scrolled to, and stuck on, the screen. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 23:22:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:22:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:22:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 Dec 1995 23:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <49tbfv$qm5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu By the very definition of VTxxx Controller-Print and Auto-Print modes they are not transparent. Controller-Print sends most data to the printer but not all. Auto-Print copies the current terminal line to the printer after a LF or VT. The notion of using the print mechanisms as a way of performing Binary file transfers is not well thought out. It might work assuming that you have a perfectly clean line. But then you would not be going through any terminal servers, telnet sessions, .... Even in that case you still have to worry about flow control, and hope that no data is lost along the way. A straight print dump gives you no way to verify that the data is complete. --- If you want to perform file transfers, use a file transfer protocol. If you can convince your Web-Browser to auto-print a downloaded file, then it should be trivial to convince it to auto-transfer a file using Kermit's APC mechanisms. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 11025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 16:33:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:33:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02641 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:33:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Message-Id: <1995Dec2.223314.68564@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Dec 95 22:33:14 MDT References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 80 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: > A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS > Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and > I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi- > nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!), > this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now: > One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the > name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real > name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and > I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx, > it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway, > it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit > it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current > file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen! > It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further- > more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the > Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN. > But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I > installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print > jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html > to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced > like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went > back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi- > nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my > PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the > host. > I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can > handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested. > I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy. > The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change > nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's > term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt > failed exactly as before. > Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi- > ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing > and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing. > For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and > ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?" > Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up > to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary > file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk > that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14? > And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to > be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and > when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help > Yours truly, Warren --------------- CSI ? i 4/5 is definitely the wrong way of printing binary information. That is DEC's "controller" printing described below. The proper way is "transparent" printing CSI i 4/5, also described below. Controller printing outputs only what you see on the screen, minus all cursor steering and other material on the comms line, and thus it is text-only. Transparent printing is suitable for binary information. MSK v3.00 is very long in the tooth and I recommend you upgrade to the current MSK v3.14. It's available by anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip is the quick-start kit. Many more features are present in 3.14. Here's the printing detail, from file msvibm.vt. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 08:07:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:25:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA17296 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:25:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Message-Id: <1995Dec3.140729.68599@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Dec 95 14:07:29 MDT References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: > In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences > for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is > a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is > incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like > this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I > found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line > and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the > ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the > screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the > eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore > I can't use it to download binary files. You can do yourself a favor by following my suggestion to pickup the current issue of MSK v3.14 and putting it to the test. Speculating on what MSK 3.00 does is of academic interest in this epoch. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 04:19:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:09:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:09:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 DEC 95 04:19:04 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi- nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!), this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now: One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx, it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway, it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen! It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further- more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN. But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi- nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the host. I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested. I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy. The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt failed exactly as before. Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi- ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing. For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?" Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14? And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help Yours truly, Warren From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 18:18:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 05:08:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA18119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 05:08:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.PBI.net!agis!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Kermit libs? Date: 4 Dec 1995 13:18:28 -0500 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 12 Message-Id: <49ve1k$hth@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there any production, shareware, whatever, kermit libraries? We have a need for kermit functionality, but due to process monitoring needs would prefer to put the functionality into one of our own spec'd processes. J. Fielek -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 The Garage of Xanadu: Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 02:22:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:39:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA07159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:39:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:22:52 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 6 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. Sincerely, Emmanuel. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 02:55:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:50:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09298 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:50:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!wb3ffv!usenet From: John Grimes Subject: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) ? Sender: usenet@abs.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:55:25 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp59.bcpl.lib.md.us Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - info@abs.net - (410)-361-8160 Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, bia.edu Greetings The subject says it all. Novell is version 4.x and kermit is version 3.14. Thanks in advance. John jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 14:01:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21928 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ad525 From: ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) Subject: Lose connection when going to DOS? Message-Id: Sender: ad525@freenet3.carleton.ca (Jamie Ryan) Reply-To: ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:01:16 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years. We use the feature of exiting back to DOS without losing the connection. I have an old Compaq notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I can hear the modem hanging up. Any ideas? Thanks, Jamie Ryan Ottawa From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 21:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:07:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:07:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: KeithM Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Write-file produces continuous record Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:35:08 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all: I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE produces a separate line? Thanks in advance for any and all help. ' From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:42:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:42:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24458 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:42:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:42:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a2aqp$ns6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , KeithM wrote: : I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. : I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several : messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the : script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to : the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs : I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE : another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. : : When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. : Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE : produces a separate line? : Include \13\10 at the end of the string, as explained in "Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 169. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:45:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:45:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:45:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripts Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:45:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4a2b1o$o06@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jon Sykes wrote: : Does anyone have any experience with writing scripts? : I would like to write one that connects me up to my VAX account, selects : a number from the menu, logs me in, then either a) downloads my email to : a text file on my PC and/or b) ftp me a file and download to my pc. : : Another script that would download certain files from a temp directory on my : VAX account at certain times of the night, then log out, would be great too. : : Am I just dreaming, or is this possible? : Totally possible. The Kermit script language, like any other programming language, is best used in combination with a reference manual, at least until you become fluent in it. You'll find tons of examples like the ones you cite in the manuals "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit" as well as in the script programs that are supplied with MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit. More about the manuals and the software on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 11:20:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:37:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA17410 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:37:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!MAX.CC.Uregina.CA!VOGTPATR From: VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 17:20:17 CST Organization: University of Regina Lines: 79 Message-Id: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results, including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica- tion isn't set up to. Kermit's echo and write screen don't work; they display to the local not the connect session. Assigning these codes to a key fails in or out of connect. Using the "output" statement also fails, because what is Output from Kermit is Input to the host! VMS "DEFINE /KEY" always fails. In fact it inexplicably cannot be made to do anything, even though VMS /LOG messages claim otherwise. To replicate its ef- fect, use Kermit's set key nnn output {VMS command} . And if I'm not mistaken, the \KudkFn is no help here because its effect is defined for the Kermit, not the host, prompt. It performs services to Kermit or DOS, not to VMS, I think. No. In order for Kermit to respond to these codes, the host must OUTPUT them itself! But how do we make it happen? Not all host applications are aware of this option. VTWWW was one that is. It is gone now and Lynx remains. Fortun- ately I have taught it how to perform this trick. That is explained in the DCL program at the end of the letter. If the application, refuses to emit CSI 5 i , CSI 4 i (the eight-bit forms of on/off), you can assign these values to symbols and have the host output them with WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb or TYPE SYS$INPUT . The procedure at the end uses the first method. With set key output {WRITE etc.} \13 , it can be as- signed to a key as if DEC's DEFINE /KEY had done it. By modifying an application's config. file, the procedure can be invoked from inside it. When that's not possible, do SPAWN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb . If it doesn't permit so short an interruption, you still have a recourse: Type your modem's escape series & type the codes manually. Here's how it's done with the seven-bit ones: +++ OK (says your modem) Ctrl-[ [ 5 i (no spaces. 5 starts 4 stops controlled printing) AT O1 (go back to the host. Type commands without seeing them) This method is unreliable. It can put junk in the way of the DCL commands you enter without your seeing. CLEAR the input buffer first. Then maybe... Here is a procedure for Typing a VMS file and making it appear on your printer or on your micro's disk if Kermit's SET PRINTER was asked for. Some applica- tions will use it at your request. How is explained inside. My thanks to John, Frank and Joe for supplementing the information in Christine Gianone's 1990 (first edition) book with more current advice. ------------------------------------CUT HERE----------------------------------- $ ! This program tells the LYNX Web-browser, VMS version, how to send a plain $ ! or formatted text file that it is referencing to the DEC VT's or PC's $ ! attached printer instead of to the screen. The VT200 "Printer controller" $ ! function is 99% transparent to all byte values, but it should not be used $ ! for binary (executable) files. Download them with Kermit's Send File , Type $ ! Binary function. -- Written by Warren Vogt on Dec. 4, 1995. Anyone may use. $ ! To avoid conflict with a program called "lpansi" that can do what this one $ ! does, this procedure has been given the name PANSY.COM and the following $ ! enabling line inserted into my copy of the LYNX.CFG file : $ ! PRINTER:To the printer of a DEC VT or a PC running Kermit:@PANSY %s :TRUE $ ! $ SET SYMBOL /GENERAL /SCOPE=NOGLOBAL $ PRNON = "P[5i" $ PRNON[0,8] = %D27 $ PRNOFF = "P[4i" $ PRNOFF[0,8] = %D27 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The current link, if a text-file, will go to the PC's printer." $ INQUIRE DECIDE "Type Y if your printer or Kermit's SET PRINTER is ready" $ IF .NOT. DECIDE THEN $ EXIT $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Printing begins..." $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNON) $ TYPE /NOPAGE 'P1 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNOFF) $ SUMMON = " The document has been printed!BBBB" $ SUMMON[248,16] = %O3407 $ SUMMON[264,16] = %O3407 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(SUMMON) $ ! WAIT 00:00:13 ! 13 seconds chosen because less is ignored, more is tedious. $ EXIT From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 13:50:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:14:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA19393 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:14:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Message-Id: <1995Dec4.195040.68738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Dec 95 19:50:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , KeithM writes: > Hello all: > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. > I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several > messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the > script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to > the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs > I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE > another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. > > When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. > Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE > produces a separate line? > > Thanks in advance for any and all help. -------- You add your own CR and LF's. That's \13 and \10, respectively. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 04:14:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:28:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA12972 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:28:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) , sorry Message-Id: <1995Dec5.101455.68785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 10:14:55 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Grimes writes: > Greetings > > The subject says it all. Novell is version 4.x and > kermit is version 3.14. Thanks in advance. > > John > jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us ----------- No, Novell is the name of the company. You must mean NetWare v4.what. This question is well outside the range of the Kermit project. You need to talk with vendors about remote dialout programs running on NetWare 4.what. NetWare Connect is one, from Novell. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 04:52:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:45:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA18035 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:45:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Message-Id: <1995Dec5.105255.68791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 10:52:55 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Emmanuel Koku writes: > Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with > some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the > kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. > > Sincerely, Emmanuel. ------------ For what kind of machine? A regular DOS PC? If so then please do have a look at the documentation which comes with MS-DOS Kermit, because it includes a dialer script to do the work for you. Otherwise, type CONNECT to enter terminal emulation mode and then type the ATfoobar commands of choice to your modem. Those AT commands are specific to your modem and are in its manual. The dialer script issues them too, so have a look at those Kermit script files (they are text files). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 14:57:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:32:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22244 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:32:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Server download file status Date: 6 Dec 1995 14:57:43 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon as each file is done downloading. while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is received to process the new data. This application determines when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to other applications. This data processing application runs fine on two of our three PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open the file and even delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and delete a file while being edited. Thanks in advance, From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 06:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:36:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:36:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lose connection when going to DOS? Message-Id: <1995Dec5.124006.68818@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 12:40:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) writes: > Hello. > > We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years. We use the feature of > exiting back to DOS without losing the connection. I have an old Compaq > notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I > can hear the modem hanging up. Any ideas? ----------- None. Notebooks, especially older notebooks, are strange indeed and there is no general advice which seems to apply to more than one at a time. Undoubtedly some part of the machine is monitoring the serial port, or even being presumptious enough to turn off the modem whenever the primary Command.com is in charge again. There isn't anything we can do about that, alas. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 08:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:26:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:26:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!not-for-mail From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Date: 6 Dec 1995 03:48:57 -0500 Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I have not been able to this. I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing set port tcp/ip hostname connect and I get an error message of Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. and my PPP connection went dead as well. I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work as my Telnet client. I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP. Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment. But Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated. BTW, OS/2 Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP. Thanks ahead for all the help. Raymond Kan kan@epas.utoronto.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 19:47:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:59:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:59:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us!mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us!don From: Don Hayward Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and rx under linux Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:47:03 -0500 Organization: Mote Marine Laboratory, Sarasota, FL Lines: 37 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Read-Receipt-To: don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Return-Receipt-To: don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to download data from a remote datalogger using a combination of c-kermit and rx. I have only two choices for data transfer protocol, ascii dump (no error checking) and xmodem due to software constraints on the data logger. The connection is made and the menu system on the datalogger is negotiated reliably. The menu selection to start the xmodem download gets the appropriate response and then I issues this command in the kermit script: !rx -uvy /weather/weather_log.951206 /dev/cur0 2>>/weather/weather_log.log (all on one line) At that point what I see in the log file is: Receiving: rx: ready to receive /root/weather/weather_log.951206 Retry 0: Got 040 sector header and everything stops. I have to kill the rx process to get things to continue. I've tried it without the rx -options -- no difference. I tried having kermit release the line before the call -- the shell complains that the device isn't available and aborts. I'm running Linux 1.2.11. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. don Don Hayward, JAPH Mote Marine Laboratory don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Voice: 941.388.4441 Sarasota, FL 34236 Fax: 941.388.4312 We are an independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. require "disclaimer.pl"; See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/ http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/~don From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 11:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:55:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA04032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:55:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Server File Protection Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:15:36 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4a3u0o$91o$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote location via modem. After each file is received another application processes the file. This other application determines when to process the file in the Windows 3.11 environment by trying to open the file with a OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE style. So far this method of testing to determine when the file being received by kermit is completed has worked on two out of three PCs. How can one set file protection on a file being received in kermit so that no other application can open or delete the file? Note, MS Word does this with the files it opens for editing. Thanks in Advance, Rich Godlewsky From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 23:24:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:35:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:35:01 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 hangs when I hit ^C Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:24:41 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings. I've asked about this problem before, and was told that the problem was my serial port driver. Since then I've decided that this simply can't be true. I've tried the newest version of Ray Gwinn's drivers, and the newest version of the OS/2's own COM.SYS. The problem is this: every now and then, when I hit CTRL-C more than a couple of times in succession while in command mode, C-Kermit freezes completely. Nothing can kill it--not even Watchcat. I've tried resetting/disconnecting the modem--still nothing. The only way to get my serial port back is to reboot. My roommate has the same problem. We're both using Warp for Windows (red box). Please help. I can find no mention of this type of problem in _Using C-Kermit_. Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:39:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10249 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:39:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:39:26 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a2alu$ncc@hustle.rahul.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Emmanuel Koku (ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with : some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the : kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. In my mskermit.ini, I have this line. define modprog output AT&F L2 \G1 S7=90 S11=50 S21=56 &W \13 The actual programming valuse were derived over a period of usage, for my particular modem. Of course, once you get it set up, there is probably no need to do this on a regular basis. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 22:53:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:16:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA13848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:16:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for win95 - single byte only? Date: 6 Dec 1995 22:53:58 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 9 Message-Id: <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set languages? Win95 Japanese is my primary concern.... -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 20:20:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:15:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA19474 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:15:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Date: 6 Dec 1995 20:20:48 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows? The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu . It's now been a couple of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other stuff in the local outlets and started asking around. The results: - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy of the new kit. - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the MS-KERMIT disk. Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software. No Kermit titles. - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it. The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would be the first to have the kit. Suggestions? Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 10:10:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 06:09:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA23417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 06:09:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 7 DEC 95 10:10:36 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 12 Message-Id: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type the commands: set receive packet 2000 set send packet 2000 set set window 3 set block 2 set file type binary I am now ready to receive or get the file from the host. But first, do I have to go back to the host and issue any of the same "set" commands just shown to it? Or is it sufficient that my PC know about these settings for them to work? (It goes without saying that the extra "set" window is a typo!) Thanx, Warren From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 09:20:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11153 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Message-Id: <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 15:20:06 MDT References: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA>, VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt) writes: > My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document > to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results, > including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica- > tion isn't set up to. To make a long story short, the host must send printer control codes to the terminal emulator to engage printing. Given the lack of that ability in your VMS based web browser suggests that you cause it to print to a file on the VAX/Alpha, and then later use Kermits to send those files to local PC destination PRN (or LPTx). Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there without overruns/losses/whatnot). SET DESTINATION PRN is the command to direct files to the local printer rather than to disk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 09:13:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11151 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Message-Id: <1995Dec6.151306.68948@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 15:13:06 MDT References: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) writes: > Hi, > > I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with > the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use > Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I > have not been able to this. > > I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing > check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing > > set port tcp/ip hostname > connect > > and I get an error message of > > Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > > and my PPP connection went dead as well. > > I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work > as my Telnet client. I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP. > Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not > supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment. But > Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to > how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated. BTW, OS/2 > Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be > possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP. -------------- The message above is accurate: no Ethernet Packet Driver nor an ODI driver. It could have added a SLIP Packet Driver too. PPP is a mess, both within the PPP modules on the market and most importantly in there being no common API (top layer where programs such as Kermit can access them). Kermit supports PPP drivers from Novell and Telebit. That's all I have that work. MERIT's driver has never worked here. MS-DOS Kermit has no common ground with Microsoft's "32-bit" networking material so please save yourself some trouble by not combining them. MSK works fine with Novell's 16-bit ODI material. Kermit-95 (commercial) works with Microsoft's TCP/IP stack. To use MSK with Win95, and my site does so on a large scale, then use Novell's VLM style ODI material for lan access, or use a SLIP driver or use one of the two PPP drivers noted above. Please keep in mind that only one TCP/IP stack can access a comms channel, so duplicate stacks mean you are out of luck. Finally, your last sentence needs to take into account that those situations involve using that vendor's native TCP/IP stack. MSK is not a Windows program (else you would not be able to use it at DOS level) and thus it does not couple to the Windows-only MS TCP/IP stack. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 03:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:27:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11838 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:27:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receive File Protection with Server Date: 6 Dec 1995 03:51:17 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: dd20-022.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are currently using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote site. We also have another application running while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is received to process the new data. This application determines when kermit is down with receiving the file by trying to open the file with OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE. This data processing application runs fine on two of our three PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open the file and even delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and delete a file while being edited. Thanks in advance, Rich GOdlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:41:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:41:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4a6quu$bv9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, Raymond Kan wrote: : : I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with : the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use : Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I : have not been able to this. : : I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing : check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing : : set port tcp/ip hostname : connect : : and I get an error message of : : Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. : .... : You can't use MS-DOS Kermit over Winsock. Kermit 95 is the Kermit software for Windows 95 and Windows NT, especially if you need to use it as a Telnet client. Further information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:50:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for win95 - single byte only? Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:49:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <4a6re0$c6v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or >is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set >languages? > >Win95 Japanese is my primary concern.... > Kermit 95 is presently an English-only application -- as far as the user interface goes. But... . It supports conversion of a wide variety of character sets, including Japanese, as part of the text-mode file-transfer process. . It supports terminal emulation in a wide variety of single-byte character sets. There is, at present, no specific provision for CJK character sets in terminal emulation, but that's on the list of future enhancements. Note, however, that if your PC has a Japanese code page (Shift JIS) loaded and usable in console windows, Kermit 95 might just work with it anyway -- like MS-DOS Kermit works with the GB and Big5 Chinese character sets, even though it contains no specific code for doing so -- if you "set term byte 8" and "set term character-set transparent". Of course, in this case, you don't get translation during terminal emulation, but if the remote computer or service uses Shift-JIS, then you have legible Japanese text on your screen. We don't have access to any Japanese Windows 95 systems, so we can't do more than speculate. So my best advice would be for somebody that does to try it and report back. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:52:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:52:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:52:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:52:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, wrote: >The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to >download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type >the commands: >... > Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease. Information about current releases of all Kermit software programs is available at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If, after installing the current version and reading the documentation, you still have problems, let us know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 14:05:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:05:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA12955 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:05:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Date: 7 Dec 1995 14:05:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <4a6sbm$cko@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>, Joe Morris wrote: : A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail : outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows? : : The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated : that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through : normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the : KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu . It's now been a couple : of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other : stuff in the local outlets and started asking around. The results: : : - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would : admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy : of the new kit. : : - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came : from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the : MS-KERMIT disk. Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response : : - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just : before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept : trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software. No Kermit : titles. : : - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it. : : The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would : be the first to have the kit. : : Suggestions? : If a store does not have Kermit 95 in stock and claims never to have heard of it, you (the customer) can ask them (the store) to order it from the distributor: Micro Central Inc. PO Box 1009 8998 Route 18 North Old Bridge NJ 08857 Fax: +1 (908) 360-0303 Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300 Note: only stores can order from Micro Central. Stores AND customers can also order it from direct from the publisher: Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 07:58:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15727 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server download file status Message-Id: <1995Dec6.135849.68926@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 13:58:49 MDT References: <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to > receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the > Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is > running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon > as each file is done downloading. > while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is > received to process the new data. This application determines > when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the > file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to > other applications. > > This data processing application runs fine on two of our three > PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open > the file and even > delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. > > Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can > not be > accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when > editing > a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access > and > delete a file while being edited. ----------- You may recall that MS Word and friends require loading the DOS SHARE program (or Windows equivalent). MS-DOS Kermit opens files in the most permissive mode, write and do not deny reading, since that is the most flexible. Your applications environment is dependent on a file locking senario, and hence on SHARE etc, and clearly Kermit isn't going to provide that. I would suggest your data apps depend on something else rather than a brute force file open, but off-hand I don't have a clever idea to offer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 03:29:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:29:43 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for several hours and it will be working fine when I return though. This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced this? -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:50:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15732 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:50:09 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4a5vah$4f0@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clive Mitchell (cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au) wrote: : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. Just to add some more, the delay between hitting alt-x and actually getting the kermit prompt back seems to be proportional to how many characters I hit before I notice it's no longer sending them. -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 18:44:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:44:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA23263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:44:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 18:44:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4a7cme$mmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There : dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens : in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession : and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for : several hours and it will be working fine when I return though. : This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced : this? : It sounds like a flow control deadlock. What kind of flow control are you using? Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS crossed over? Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS? What about the thing on the other end of the cable? When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 23:21:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:34:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA08864 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:34:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!cyberspam!van-bc From: majordomo@singnet.com.sg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel: * Free Newsletter on Passion & Romance * Date: 5 Dec 1995 23:21:45 GMT Organization: PassionFRUIT Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ts900-2114.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Control: cancel <4a2k69$f34@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam killing From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:56:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA11520 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:56:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!info.curtin.edu.au!nevyn.realize.com.au!bruce From: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 05:02:18 GMT Organization: AusSTEP Consultants Lines: 40 Sender: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au Message-Id: Reply-To: zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: ra12.curtin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and windoze ?. My setup is NDIS ------------------ DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 WINPKT ------------------ Windoze 3.11 I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell but whenever I connect I get: connection refused by host on the host I get: Dec 7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]: error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. Anyone solved this ? -- .BRU Bruce Cook 84 kintail Rd, Applecross AUSstep Consultants 6153, W.A. Australia 3 Ord St West Perth, EMail:zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au 6005 W.A. Australia -- .BRU Bruce Cook 84 kintail Rd, Applecross AUSstep Consultants From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 10:03:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:48:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA17264 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:48:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!bull.hkstar.net!news From: WanJohn@hkstar.com (J. Wan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 10:03:15 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet Limited Lines: 77 Message-Id: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: star92.hkstar.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the network drivers as following: =================================================================== [STARTNET.BAT] @ECHO OFF C: CD \NWCLIENT SET NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH C:\WINDOWS\net start LH LSL LH NE2000.COM LH C:\WINDOWS\odihlp.exe LH IPXODI LH ODIPKT.COM 1 96 LH WINPKT 0X60 LH VLM CD \ ================================================================== =================================================================== [NET.CFG]:- Link Support Max Boards 4 Max Stacks 8 Buffers 4 1514 Link Driver NE2000 Frame Ethernet_802.3 Frame Ethernet_II Frame Ethernet_802.2 Frame Ethernet_SNAP INT 2 PORT 320 protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II ;MEM D0000 Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 NetWare DOS Requester FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F USE DEFAULTS = OFF VLM = CONN.VLM VLM = IPXNCP.VLM VLM = TRAN.VLM VLM = SECURITY.VLM ; VLM = NDS.VLM VLM = BIND.VLM VLM = NWP.VLM VLM = FIO.VLM VLM = GENERAL.VLM VLM = REDIR.VLM VLM = PRINT.VLM VLM = NETX.VLM Message Timeout= 90 Average Name Length= 6 Cache Buffer Size= 1500 Show Dots= ON ====================================================== Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the same time? Please help. Thanks, John Wan - John Wan (Chun) E-mail: wanjohn@hkstar.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 22:09:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 05:00:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA21465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 05:00:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!pm3_5 From: rripley@digital.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware flow control Date: 7 Dec 1995 22:09:49 GMT Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider Lines: 13 Message-Id: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: @pm3_5.digital.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much thanks. ------- Rob Ripley Veda, Inc. rripley@digital.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 03:34:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:47:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA10867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:47:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 03:34:55 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <30c7b092.18351316@128.230.1.4> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-040.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu KeithM wrote: >When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. >Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE >produces a separate line? You need tell Kermit to put CR-LF (\13\10) where you want them, as in: write file stuff\13\10 This necessity is actually a feature, since it allows writing a single line in several parts, as in: write file people: (later) write file Tom write file Dick write file Harry\13\10 - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:07:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:07:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:07:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:07:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4a9kb9$fu0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bruce Cook wrote: >Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and >windoze ?. > Look on your diskette. Directory NETWORKS, file SETUP.DOC. >As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to >beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. > If you have the MS TCP stack loaded, you have to unload it before you can use Kermit's built-in TCP/IP. The rule is: only one TCP/IP stack can be active per network board. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:10:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:10:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <4a9kh8$fvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan wrote: : I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the : network drivers as following: : ... : Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I : open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the : same time? : No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network board. But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one window and switch among them with Alt-n. See: (24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:23:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:23:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17140 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:23:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:23:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <4a9la6$gnh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>, wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to : get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it : and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and : its operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW : RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have : time to order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on : C-Kermit, I believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for : me. Much thanks. : What version of IRIX do you have? What version of Kermit? The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). In any case, it appears that the IRIX versions do not presently have hardware flow control compiled in. If you want to try adding it, you need to be able to recompile the program from source code. Begin by reading the section "Hardware Flow Control" in the UNIX C-Kermit Installation Instructions file (ckuins.doc). I don't seem to have access to any SGI systems any more so I can't do this myself. By the way, according to the aforementioned file, IRIX does not provide an API for turning RTS/CTS on and off, so the way to get it is by using a special driver -- that is, a special serial device name. Unfortunately, I don't know what the special device name would be. Send email directly to me with the results. I'll be glad to help, and once we get it working, we'll incorporate it into the next release and/or release notes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 01:09:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:57:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA18419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:56:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Message-Id: Organization: Private System References: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:09:15 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>, Joe Morris wrote: > - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just > [...] >Suggestions? Yes. Obviously Computer City needs to get better Christmas music. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) System Administrator, Education Central (jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 16:46:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:09:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA23849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:09:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive File Protection with Server Date: 8 Dec 1995 11:46:12 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a9q4k$460@panix.com> References: <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote: >Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be >accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing >a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and >delete a file while being edited. The most reliable way of doing this is to change the client's operation from: put filename to: put filename tempfile remote kermit rename tempfile filename marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 12:22:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:35:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:35:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.maz.net!news.vistec.com!news From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ---Please Read This--- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:22:26 GMT Organization: Vistec GmbH Lines: 77 Message-Id: <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: serial18.wiesbaden.netsurf.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just wanted to give you the chance to earn some money in a very easy way.A friend of mine turned me on a company called Intercall Marketing, which offers a nice, uncomplicated way to get some more cash, just by callingthem and advertising a bit. The number of the company is 011-24-831-831 (if you're calling from the USA, in other countries it's (i think) ++248-313131). The call has a fee of $1.50, so I think (hope) this isn't to expensive for the possibility to get some more money. Now I'll try to explain how it works: After calling the number a recording gives you deatiled informationon what to to next. After a brief description you will be asked to enter a six digit account number of the person that gave you this number, and this should be my account number. It is -3 8 0 4 9 9- (this one is mine) and then you can start to earn big money for nearly doing nothing. To explain a little how it works, when you type in my account number, the computer will give you you're own account number and a personal PIN Number for your use only. Then it will record name and address for future accounting needs, i.e. payments. Here is where the money comes from: For every call made to this number, intercall receives $1.50. 50 Cents go to the account number you first typed in. But of course, now as you've got you're own account, you'll want people to call and type in your account number right away ! And I think, with the help of all the networking systems around, it won't be a problem to reach many people. Up to now its nothing special, BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER. You not only make 50 cents from the first people who call using your number but also when they get people to call using their number you get another 25 Cents from them, plus another 25 cents from the people they get to call. So that means you get paid 3 Levels deep, which could amount to some serious $$$. An example: If you get 100 people to call (by advertising in the net, or in the local news papers), then you get 50$. If these people, let's say get another 50 people to call, it's already $1,250. But the third Level is the most important one(so you should perhaps hurry a bit), because if these people get 25 people each, that means that you'll get exactly $31,250 (just imagine, if every Level would get 100 people, you would get $ 250.000). Some good cash for nearly doing nothing, isn't it ? If you're wondering why Intercall does this, realize that they get 50 Cents for every call. 1st Level=$0.50, 2nd Level=$0.25, 3rd Level=$0.25 => $1.00. Remember that they'll get $1.50 for each call, so that leaves 50 cents per call. I normally dont try this things out. But it's (IMHO) not possible to loose much money, and just paying $1.50 for calling, and then perhaps getting much more cash, it's not too bad ? But now I stop trying to convince you. You have to decide if this possibility of earning cash is worth $1.50. Thank you very much for reading, i hope it didn'T bother you. C ya Sven H. ----------------Sven Hennig---------------- ------------Zum Kohlwaldfeld 2a------------ -------------D-65817 Eppstein------------- ------------Tel. ++49-6198-9218------------ ------------Data ++49-6198-9208------------ -E-Mail: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 22:56:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:57:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:56:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 22:56:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4aafrm$5ir@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>, wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how : to get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me : set it and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the : computer and its operating system support it (and mine does). But there : is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. : I verified the following: At least as of IRIX 5.2, there is no API for RTS/CTS, so you can't SET FLOW RTS/CTS in the IRIX version of Kermit (maybe in IRIX 6.0 the situation is different, but I have no way of knowing). Instead, tell C-Kermit to "set line /dev/ttyf00" or whatever the port number is. The "f" signifies a device driver that uses RTS/CTS flow control. But then, according to "man serial", you still need serial port hardware that can support this. Evidently, SGI computers have all sorts of bizarre Macintosh-like serial ports that don't support the full range of EIA RS-232 (V.24) signals needed for asynchronous modem communication. So if the port doesn't have RTS and CTS wires, then the hardware flow control driver isn't going to have much to work with... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 11:34:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Message-Id: <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 95 17:34:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) writes: > Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and > windoze ?. > > My setup is > > NDIS > ------------------ > DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 > WINPKT > ------------------ > Windoze 3.11 > > I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell > but whenever I connect I get: > > connection refused by host > > on the host I get: > > Dec 7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]: > error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer > > As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to > beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. ---------- If you review the documentation in the MSK release we say clearly that one may not run two or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the same board at the same time. I think that resolves the difficulty. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 01:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:50:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA11426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:50:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!demon!wbgl From: andy@wbgl.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ---Please Read This--- Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 01:54:41 GMT Organization: The Warwick Bepos Group Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <818455022.22614@wbgl.demon.co.uk> References: <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) wrote: >A load of rubbish completely unrelated to anything sensible I normally wouldn't even entertain following this up but I have just got my news poster working. How many varieties of chain letters is technology going to inflict on us ? Only idiots such as sven will take this seriously. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 19:13:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:11:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA16047 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:11:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!in2p3.fr!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card Date: 7 Dec 1995 19:13:14 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp5-10.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello from France. I apologize for my wrong English. I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550 ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with address 280 and IRQ 5 I use : set com3 \x280 5 set port 3 set speed 38400 and so on The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados. When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5 set port 3, all things works fine. When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on but the PC login on the host is correct. May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is : COM1 or COM2 FASTCOM8 set port 1 in place of set com3 \x280 5 or set port 2 set port 3 Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else in the setup of the PC. I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive line but nothing on the PC screen Thank you for your attention. -+- Dominique -+- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 23:47:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:56:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA20579 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!lynx.WPI.EDU!zed From: zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:47:03 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 39 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if someone could help me figure out my problem. When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. I think Kermit is getting the characters from the modem, it's just not showing them. I have the modem on COM2 IRQ3, which Kermit detects just fine (it's at address \x2f8). I don't have any TSRs or other programs loaded. The only other peripheral on the machine is a built-in serial port, COM1 at IRQ 4. I tried the other IRQs (2 and 5) because the KERMIT.BWR file said that this was normally caused by Kermit not looking at the right IRQ; this did not help, though. The computer is an AT&T 8086 and the modem is a Hayes-compatible 14.4k internal fax-modem. I used the same modem with Kermit on an 8088 and it worked great; only difference was that it was on COM1. I can't use COM1 on this machine. Do you think that Kermit is getting the characters from the modem? If so, I don't know where the problem could be; with termianal emulation, maybe. I have a copy of the MS-Kermit user's guide, but there doesn't seem to be that much "trouble-shooting" stuff; the KERMIT.BWR was helpful, but I'm basically stuck now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated; thanks much in advance. PS -- hats off to the Kermit people for making this software available; it's always worked really well for me. -- Jesse Zbikowski Worcester Polytechnic Institute zed@hilbert.wpi.edu Computer Science, '97 GCS C++(---) UUO+++ P+++>++++ E+++ PGP+ G-- PS+++ PE-- tv--- D--- h---(++) r+++ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 20:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 04:52:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA23438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 04:52:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!hi961 From: hi961@cleveland.freenet.edu (Val Hite) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Help with Amiga Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:19:56 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4aa6lc$s2i@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: hi961@cleveland.freenet.edu (Val Hite) Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a 28.8K modem. I get 200 CPS with Kermit from my provider in Akron Ohio. I have an Amiga. I use Terminus. Can someone tell me how to INIT Kermit to get a better CPS rate. Using Zmodem I get 2500 CPS on downloads but the protocols are bugged for uploading and I need to use Kermit to upload. I have posted different places and NO ONE wants to help. So I thought I would try here. I dont read this group and have to Telnet to get it. If you can help send email to aa126@freenet.akron.oh.us. I would be really appreciative of any help. Thanks. -- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 23:18:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 06:41:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA01742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 06:41:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:18:05 GMT Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4aah3d$kji@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # If you review the documentation in the MSK release we # say clearly that one may not run two or more protocol stacks # of the same kind over the same board at the same time. I think # that resolves the difficulty. Those docs also mention pktmux -- a packet driver substitute that allows exactly what you're talking about -- although you don't "recommend or support" it. For the record, I've been using pktmux for a couple of months now, with various programs running through winsock plus MSKermit, CUTCP FTP, and a specialized DOS program to access an educational database all on their own TCP stacks. I haven't had any problems attributable to this setup yet. I believe the secret of success with using multiple stacks over pktmux is assigning each stack its own interrupt address, so that no program has to search for the packet driver. Every program I've tried so far has allowed this except for DOSLynx, which doesn't have much to recommend it in any case. But I allow DOSLynx to have interrupt 60, and just assign higher numbers to all the other programs, including Trumpet Winsock. Trumpet, by the way, will only work with pktmux version 1.2h, which Simtel has. Some sites, including CICA, carry 1.2c, which will not work. In any case, this setup has allowed me to telnet with Kermit, a much more sophisticated program than any Windows program I've found, and still have FTP and Netscape available. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:00:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:53:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA13272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!mercury.starnet.gov.sg!mercury!suziecar From: suziecar@starnet.gov.sg (Suzie Caroline) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unable to download files from server. Date: 7 Dec 1995 05:00:31 GMT Lines: 1 Message-Id: <4a5sdf$akt@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mercury.starnet.gov.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 15:03:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:04:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:04:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Date: 9 Dec 1995 15:03:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4ac8gu$gl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Jesse D Zbikowski wrote: : I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" : syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if : someone could help me figure out my problem. : : When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the : characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way : it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see : it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without : seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves : around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. : Let me take a wild guess -- your foreground color is the same as your background color? What kind of video adapter and monitor do you have? Try "set terminal color 0" and see if it makes the characters reappear. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 02:13:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:08:25 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:08:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card Message-Id: <1995Dec8.081338.69127@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 95 08:13:38 MDT References: <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I apologize for my wrong English. > > I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550 > ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with > address 280 and IRQ 5 > I use : set com3 \x280 5 > set port 3 > set speed 38400 > and so on > > The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados. > When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but > set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5 set port 3, > all things works fine. > > When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have > no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on > but the PC login on the host is correct. > > May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is : > > COM1 or COM2 FASTCOM8 > set port 1 in place of set com3 \x280 5 > or set port 2 set port 3 > > Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else > in the setup of the PC. > I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive > line but nothing on the PC screen ----------- Your nice multiple port board does not look like a standard serial port on the PC side, thus MS-DOS Kermit can't access it. The board requires special software from the maker. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 10 05:30:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:43:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:43:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!bull.hkstar.net!news From: wanjohn@hkstar.com (John Wan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:30:12 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet Limited Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4ac34t$l7l@bull.hkstar.net> References: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> <4a9kh8$fvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pnstar38.hkstar.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks Frank! John >fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan wrote: >: I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the >: network drivers as following: >: ... >: Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I >: open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the >: same time? >: >No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network >board. But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one >window and switch among them with Alt-n. See: >(24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER >in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file. >- Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ wanjohn@hkstar.com __________________ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 19:33:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:32:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA21642 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:32:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 19:33:03 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4aa3tf$4tj@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rripley@digital.net wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get : hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the : man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its : operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS : option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to : order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I : believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much : thanks. First, I suggest you do a "show features" and see if Hardware flow control is available to you. From what you write I suspect it was not selected when your C-Kermit was compiled. If that is true, you need to recompile with the appropiate -D option set at compile time. See the install doc from Columbia University. Ute PS: It just took me a week to compile C-Kermit for AT&T Sys V r 3.2 with all the options I wanted, so I don;t think your solution will be quick. It may take a little time to fix all the problems. : ------- : Rob Ripley : Veda, Inc. : rripley@digital.net -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 20:31:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:25:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27624 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:25:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:31:42 GMT From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Control: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 11:05:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:06:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA09336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:06:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 17:05:56 CST Control: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Organization: Vistec GmbH Nntp-Posting-Host: serial18.wiesbaden.netsurf.de Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cancelled with Waffle. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 03:48:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:17:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07680 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:17:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech2!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!mercury.starnet.gov.sg!mercury!suziecar From: suziecar@starnet.gov.sg (Suzie Caroline) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unable to download file from server to terminal Date: 9 Dec 1995 03:48:33 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mercury.starnet.gov.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can any kind souls out here help me? For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this happens on the screen.......... Return to your local kermit and give a receive command. Kermit ready to send...... XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP (X stands for a gibberish non textual character) C-Kermit>many retries.OP From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 16:49:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:49:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13089 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:49:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unable to download file from server to terminal Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:49:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <4ahnev$cos@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg>, Suzie Caroline wrote: >Can any kind souls out here help me? >For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the >server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After >getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this >happens on the screen.......... > >Return to your local kermit and give a receive command. > >Kermit ready to send...... > >XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP >(X stands for a gibberish non textual character) > >C-Kermit>many retries.OP > Evidently you did not "Return to your local kermit and give a receive command." The method for doing this depends on what software you are running on your PC. If it is MS-DOS Kermit, you would type Alt-x and then at the MS-Kermit> prompt, you would type "receive" and then press the Enter key. Complete instructions are found in the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 06:04:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:00:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25269 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:00:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ---Please Read This--- Date: 10 Dec 1995 22:04:31 -0800 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4aghlf$nk9@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com To: ALL@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu And it came to pass that on 09 Dec 95 01:54, Andy@Wbgl.Demon.Co.Uk spake these words unto All:: An> How many varieties of chain letters is technology going An> to inflict on us ? I don't know. However, I think I must have seen at least five in the past two months. They are invariably extremely widely distributed and almost all carry a notice that they are really legal -- which is about as good as the paper they're not written on . I dare say that chain letters were not anticipated by the sci fi writers of years past who anticipated world-wide computer networks . I certainly didn't anticipate them and didn't even see them (with the notorious Dave Rhodes exception) in profusuion until this spring. Wonder what happened? Do you suppose it has to do with the ozon hole? MIke Freeman < K 7 U I J > Internet: mikef@pacifier.com --- * PCRR QWK 1.60 * From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 02:31:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:26:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:26:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 11 Dec 1995 10:31:56 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 32 Message-Id: <4ag56s$glb@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> <4a7cme$mmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, : Clive Mitchell wrote: : : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. : : : It sounds like a flow control deadlock. What kind of flow control : are you using? Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS : crossed over? Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS? What : about the thing on the other end of the cable? : When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line : say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED? I'm connected to a DCE device which is using XON/XOFF flow control. I've tried setting Kermit for XON/XOFF and NONE to no effect. Using a protocol analyser I can see that my PC does indeed stop sending with no change to any of the control signals. The status line does not say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED. Another thing I noticed is that when I get back to the Kermit prompt, if I do a SHOW COMM it says that RTS and DTR are OFF when in fact they are both asserted. I am not having any problem with the TCP/IP connections with Kermit95. They are working perfectly. -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 12:50:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:34:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA01159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:34:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news From: Jeff Van Syckle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit Protocol in Win95 Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:50:54 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4ah9fe$4s2@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ts11-10.upenn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem using the kermit protocol in Win95. I can connect to my server fine, and can start the Kermit protocl on that end ok, but when I try to get Win95 to receive a file, I'm having a problem. Can't seem to get it to "know" the file I'm trying to download. I'm not certain if it has something to do with escaping to my local server, or what. I can't really afford to buy the Win95 version of kermit. Do I need this to make Kermit work under Windows 95? If someone could walk me through this I would appreciate it. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 03:26:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:55:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA16484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:55:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Message-Id: <1995Dec11.092631.69293@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 95 09:26:31 MDT References: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski) writes: > I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" > syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if > someone could help me figure out my problem. > > When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the > characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way > it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see > it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without > seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves > around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. To see what is being sent to you tell MSK SET DEBUG ON. That will show each byte, ^control-code, ~high-bit-set, without interpreting cursor steering commands and so on. It is possible that your remote host is set to not echo. Please check with the system manager about that aspect. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 16:11:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:46:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA17174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:46:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news.uh.edu!lurch.sccsi.com!news.sccsi.com!usenet From: jwinett@tulsa.com (Joe Winett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Caps-Lock Problem with K95 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:11:45 GMT Organization: Floral Haven Lines: 10 Message-Id: <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fhaven.sccsi.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95? Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc... Joe From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 13:32:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:32:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA08354 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:32:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps-Lock Problem with K95 Date: 12 Dec 1995 13:32:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4ak08t$850@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com>, Joe Winett wrote: > Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95? > Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really > shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc... > This is a bug in the Windows 95 console driver. Caps Lock acts like Shift Lock for 32-bit console applications that read scan codes (not just characters). Hopefully Microsoft will fix it. There is no way to fix it in Kermit, as it stands, because the characters you see are the ones that Windows is reporting. We are working to convert Kermit 95 to a full GUI, non-console application, and that will avoid the problem by not using Microsoft's console driver any more. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 17:09:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:04:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:04:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!cornellcs!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 12 Dec 1995 17:09:43 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 Message-Id: <4akd0n$du6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) writes: >Hi everyone, > >I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux >machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit >larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. >So far I use 31 windows. >Buffers are big enough 100000 ! > >Any suggestions ... > What level of C-Kermit are your running on the vax? Does it accept your set receive packet-length 2000 command without error? -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 05:20:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!comet.np.ac.sg!93302179 From: Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PhoneList Manager (script) for MSkermit 3.14 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:20:02 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nntp-Posting-User: 93302179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have written a "PhoneList Manager v.01a" for MSkermit 3.14. It runs with the Hayes AT command set and is handy for those planning on using MSKermit for more than just internetting (for BBSing as well). Its written entirely with the built-in macros and script commands, just to show what MSkermit 3.14 can do! Those looking for such a script can get it from [http://arbornet.org/~edwinder], web-space courtesy of Edwinder Singh (a fellow mate). Functions/Features include: o Autodialing with counter, terminates with key-press o Dialing-Directory-Format compatible o F/B Paging, Reload to Top and selection by alphabet o Terminal-emulation selection (Ansi-BBS,VT320 etc) o Dialing Speed/Parity settings from Menu Any comments/bugs/support, please e-mail to the address below. Thank you, kung. 93302179@np.ac.sg --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 10 12:04:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@news.IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Backspace don't work? Date: 10 Dec 1995 12:04:21 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... Any Ideas, thanks. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 13:52:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16770 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.gtn.com!news2.gtn.com!news.hamburg.pop.de!nordwest.pop.de!uniol!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun1!p7003cv From: p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 11 Dec 1995 13:52:41 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everyone, I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. So far I use 31 windows. Buffers are big enough 100000 ! Any suggestions ... Thanx Matthias ia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: gadi@hynet.co.il (Gadi Friedman) Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Organization: TeleOp Communication Industries, Ltd. Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:08:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, > wrote: >>The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to >> >Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease. > >- Frank Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Is this the latest? It seems Not much newer than his. I also could not find a file containing only the docs. (I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem. Gadi PS. This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89" I'd been using until last month. Keep up the good work. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 16:59:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:28:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17343 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:28:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news From: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 13 Dec 1995 16:59:35 GMT Organization: Barnes Jewish Christian Health Services Inc. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> Reply-To: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) Nntp-Posting-Host: 159.251.120.50 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, especially for it's scripting capabilities. I have run in to one slight problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck finding what I need to know). The book says that keys can be remapped. My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback commands. I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown. If anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Andy Carlson email: andyc@andyc.carenet.org BJC Health System http://bjc.carenet.org/~ts55428 Get the RASFWRJ Mini FAQ by mailing to rasfwrj@bjc.carenet.org Get the Robert Jordan WoT FAQ by mailing to jordan@bjc.carenet.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 08:14:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:06:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20780 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:06:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get BACKSPACE to work? Date: 13 Dec 1995 08:14:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4am20o$p9u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4akr9o$8o7@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: >When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't >work. How do I set key to make the backspace work. The DEC VMS and Unix worlds have never quite agreed on what the backspace character should be. Assuming that you're talking to a Unix box, perhaps the easiest thing to do is to tell Kermit to use a Unix backspace. In C-Kermit for OS/2 I do that with set key \127 \8 in my ckermod.ini file, where 127 is the scancode of the PC backspace key, and 8 is the ASCII backspace character, also called ^H. I know this can be done in MS-Kermit for DOS. Don't know about others. Alternatively you can tell Unix to use the VMS backspace character, DEL, with the Unix command stty erase "<---press the backspace key instead of the " -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 20:12:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:12:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:12:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 13 Dec 1995 20:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <4anc3n$mh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net>, Andy Carlson wrote: >I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, >especially for it's scripting capabilities. I have run in to one slight >problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck >finding what I need to know). The book says that keys can be remapped. >My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback >commands. I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. >Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup >and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the >key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown. If >anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would >appreciate it. Thanks. You change the key definitions with the SET KEY command. If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate keys. If you application is something like emacs with its own Command sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition. Read the CKERMIT.INF file by typing UPDATES at the C-kermit prompt to find a huge amount of information regarding C-Kermit for OS/2 which is not in the Big Yellow Book. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 19:08:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:46:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:46:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!gatech!gt-news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!usenet From: Tom Bowden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get TELIX? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:08:34 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <30CF24B2.6C0F@gsu.edu> References: <4an5bj$hg2@aim.et.iupui.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: idmtmb.gsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Barry J Mccabe wrote: > > I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette. > Anyone know where I could ftp a copy? ftp delta.com Tom in Atlanta From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 21:13:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:30:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:30:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get BACKSPACE to work? Date: 12 Dec 1995 21:13:28 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4akr9o$8o7@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't work. How do I set key to make the backspace work. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:00:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:00:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:00:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace don't work? Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:00:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 143 Message-Id: <4aphml$j73@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: >When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it >works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... > From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 5 MY BACKSPACE KEY DOESN'T WORK! From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Date: 7 Jan 1995 21:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 In article , Jim Monty wrote: > DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS > Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand > it if I did. > Thank you for consulting the documentation. > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS > 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for > VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and > code page CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization > files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to > the "factory" defaults. > > Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key > behaves as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace > key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters > "^?" appearing on the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these > situations. In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi > insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under > analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use, > Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way. The backspace key > functions as a destructive backspace. > > I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit > configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've > never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to > figure it out myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' > minds.) Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me. > > Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP > Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT). As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace. The terminal emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key. Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed as "^?". Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters: 0/8 BS (Backspace). A one-active-position format effector that moves the position backward on the same line. 7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an erroneous or unwanted character... In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command. The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the key. Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\). The scan code for the Backspace key is \270. The default definition for this key is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL. You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the desired key or key combination. Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS (Backspace) -- for destructive backspace. Consulting the ASCII table on page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8. So to make PC's Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command: SET KEY \270 \8 If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit. But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace. You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from one to another: SET KEY \270 \8 ; Backspace sends BS or: SET KEY \270 \127 ; Backspace sends DEL or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this. In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM. The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL. The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used. You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. To use a macro, just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt. Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need to be changed when you switch between the two. You could write two macros such as these: define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8 define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127 And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type "unix". Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:01:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:02:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19724 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:02:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem who to help? Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:01:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4aphpm$j89@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aemon$qkq@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aemon$qkq@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: >Would like to use zmodem externally. How do I do that? > Before anyone could answer your question, they would need to know which version of which Kermit program you are running on which kind of computer and operating system, over which kind of connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:13:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20097 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:13:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:13:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 185 Message-Id: <4apifl$jju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, Matthias Noethe wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux >machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit >larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. >So far I use 31 windows. >Buffers are big enough 100000 ! > >Any suggestions ... > You should read the "Using C-Kermit" chapter that explains the relationship of packet length and window size to performance. By the way, "Using C-Kermit" is available in German too: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. Also, pay particular attention to flow control. It is all explained in the manual. I would also ask you to read the CKVINS.DOC file that comes with VMS C-Kermit. As you will see, C-Kermit's buffers are not the only ones you need to be concerned with. VMS itself has some buffering limitations that can only be changed by the system manager, either through privileged commands or by reconfiguring the system. In the meantime, I would suggest that you reduce the window size to something reasonable, like 2 or 4, and then you should be able to increase the packet length. Here, for reference is an earlier discussion of Kermit file transfer performance on VMS: In article <3en6v1$eer@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Michael Donohue wrote: >AN earlier post said that Kermit was not entirely bad for transfering >files. I tried and tried, but the max cps I could get was 157 or so on a >9600 bps line. > >Could someone please tell me ... the settings for kermit? > I have posted the following message to this group several times -- if there is an FAQ, I hope this can be added to it. But first, a word from our sponsor. The current version of Kermit for VMS is C-Kermit 5A(190). It supersedes all previous VMS Kermit releases and programs, including all versions of Kermit-32, which is no longer supported. You can get C-Kermit 5A(190) by mail order from Columbia University, or by anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckvaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. You can also access the Kermit repository via the Web at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The Kermit software effort is funded primarily by mail order and book sales. Users of C-Kermit (and MS-DOS Kermit) are encouraged to purchase the appropriate manual -- it will show you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it (e.g. answering questions like the one above, so they need not be posted to dozens of newsgroups over and over and over again). If you type "help" at the C-Kermit> or MS-Kermit> prompt, you should get (among other things) a complete reference to the appropriate manual. If you want more information, access the Web site listed above or send e-mail to kermit.columbia.edu. The following message is almost a year old and discusses the previous release of C-Kermit, but aside from that, it still applies. In article gap5u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Gregory Perron) writes: > > I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort > to my PC. 14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have > us robotics. I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc. But, > downloads have been hideous. > > I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers. I > *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure. [I get flawless > 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all > the -ebrw permutations I could think of. > > On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC. On the vax, > ckermit pops up and says: > Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax. > You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two new features described below. C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. > My ckermit.ini file has: > set send pack 1000 > This command is not needed; see the documentation. > set receive pack 1000 > set buff 20000 20000 > set file type bin > set windows 10 > set block 3 > > Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file. > And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm > only at 9600, modem report aside. > I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 distribution). My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was also active between the answering modem and the terminal server. In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got. Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps. Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning. Next I tell C-Kermit to: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255 (version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and the TELNET IAC character). Now I get 1549 cps. Note: control-character unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text files. Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost" models, and so lacks a buffered UART. All of the above transfers suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns. Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a 16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput goes up to 1601 cps. Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000). Throughput: 1608 cps. And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down a lot. Let's see. I turn both off: Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required). Modem: ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000) and download the file again. Result: 1616 cps. Not a big difference. Lessons (which apply mainly to this particular type of connection): 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs. 2. Be sure to get the flow control at both ends. 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows (4 or more). 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing. 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little difference. Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS NONE. Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics. Read the documentation. Ditto for all the other variables we have looked at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:18:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:18:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:18:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:18:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <4apinv$k0n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gadi Friedman wrote: >Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version >C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) >Is this the latest? It seems Not much newer than his. > Yes, that is the current release for SunOS. >I also could not find a file containing only the docs. >(I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem. > The manual is a book, printed on paper: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703 Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) >PS. This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89" >I'd been using until last month. > Glad you like it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 14:42:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:30:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA25484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:30:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: different colors for bold and reverse video? Date: 14 Dec 1995 14:42:29 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background, bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and reverse bold as white on cyan. I like the effect, and I'd like to know if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use different color combinations for bold and reverse like this. Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 21:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:39:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:39:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!aim.et.iupui.edu!etapps!bmccabe From: bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu (Barry J Mccabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get TELIX? Date: 13 Dec 1995 21:31:37 GMT Organization: Purdue University School of Engr. and Tech. At Indianapolis,IN Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4angnp$l8b@aim.et.iupui.edu> References: <4an5bj$hg2@aim.et.iupui.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: etapps.tech.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Barry J Mccabe (bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu) wrote: : I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette. : Anyone know where I could ftp a copy? Sorry, just answered my own question. I found it on a university FTP site, just couldn't find it throught the typical web search tools. -- Barry J. McCabe bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu http://webster.cadcam.iupui.edu:80/~bmccabe/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 13:19:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:00:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:00:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 12 Dec 1995 13:19:17 GMT Lines: 17 Message-Id: <4ajvgl$ha@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) wrote: # I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a # linux machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but # when I transmit larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks # from the vms-host. So far I use 31 windows. Buffers are big # enough 100000 ! # # Any suggestions ... I've run into the problem on several hosts that I can download with large packets, but can't upload with anything over the standard 94. I've assumed that this is a flow-control problem on the host's end, which I have no control over. Could this be it? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 21:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:24:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:24:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!netnews.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:22:40 GMT Lines: 36 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116453 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4302 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers with several systems all running the same setup. All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. .zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on both ends with no system activity showing on either end and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any ideas or suggestions for us concerning this. If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof way to transmit files automatically. All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang". And every once in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related). Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erik Hatcher -- Erik Hatcher http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 05:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:17:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA16980 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:17:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ahc.ameritech.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 05:17:44 GMT Message-Id: <1995Dec14.001744.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116503 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4303 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both > on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers > with several systems all running the same setup. > > All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. > All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. > > .zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on > both ends with no system activity showing on either end > and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). I'm the developer that put labeled mode support (and some other stuff) into VMS C-Kermit. You need to do a SET DEBUG ON on both the sending and receiving systems. That will log a great deal of status info. Then email me the debug logs as well as the output from SHOW VERSION and I'll look at them and see what's going on. [Note for others: I don't do much work with Kermit any more - this isn't a blanket invitation for people to send me questions or bug reports - they should go to the regular Kermit support address at Columbia.] Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 13:37:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:44:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:44:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Error: Can't arp resolve Date: 14 Dec 1995 13:37:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: inugap3.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet. I have the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message. JOSEPH BEASLEY III SWHN62A@prodigy.com http://pages.prodigy.com/TX/eagle From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 03:54:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:47:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:47:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!news.ssnet.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu (Yuehong Zheng) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: how to set "control quote character" in Ckermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 03:54:46 GMT Organization: JHU Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.62.128 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:37423 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4305 comp.protocols.misc:5192 comp.unix.sco.misc:11985 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit? How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit? I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit', and can not find the answer. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 15:12:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error: Can't arp resolve Message-Id: <1995Dec14.211231.69704@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 95 21:12:31 MDT References: <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii) writes: > I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet. I have > the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the > address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the > latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message. ----------- There are a couple of things which might cause this: Linux itself and a bug in the MSK code if both network adapters are from the same vendor (for gosh sakes). Some versions of Linux (I don't run it so please don't ask me which versions etc) have broken ARP code. Much trouble over it. The MSK bug is an addition to deal with NDIS drivers which echo packets being sent. Yes, that's right. To detect and discard them I compare source MAC address with the machine's own MAC address and discard if they match. Alas, the quick-compare code (it sees every incoming packet so it must be really fast) stepped through three rather than six bytes of MAC address by mistake, and the first three Ethernet bytes are the vendor code. I meant well, I really did, scout's honor. It's not patchable I'm sorry to say. If you will contact me personally, jrd@cc.usu.edu, let's see if we can sort out the problem. Test question #1, while I grade final exams here, is can you converse with a non-Linux machine? If so then that's a step in the right direction. Extra credit is what happens if you change board vendor in either machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 15:16:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: different colors for bold and reverse video? Message-Id: <1995Dec14.211618.69706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 95 21:16:18 MDT References: <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called > Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background, > bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and > reverse bold as white on cyan. I like the effect, and I'd like to know > if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use > different color combinations for bold and reverse like this. ---------- The best we can offer is different coloring for underlining/underscoring. That's command SET TERM COLOR UNDERSCORE digits just like SET TERM COLOR digits. Bold is the opposite of "normal" and is strictly an intensity affair in MSK as it is on real DEC terminals. Reverse is reverse. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 16:33:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:33:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:33:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: how to set "control quote character" in Ckermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:33:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4as7vt$ivv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:37427 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4308 comp.protocols.misc:5193 comp.unix.sco.misc:11987 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu>, Yuehong Zheng wrote: >And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit? > You only need to use 8th-bit quoting if you have a 7-bit connection. The way you tell C-Kermit about this is: SET PARITY EVEN (or SET PARITY SPACE, etc -- any parity value other than NONE). There is no command to choose what the 8th-bit prefix is. The character '&' is always used for this. >How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit? > Tell the file receiver to SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH . > I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit', > and can not find the answer. > Try Chapters 6 and 8. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 16:03:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:31:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26548 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:31:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with unixlogin Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:03:21 GMT Organization: CAASD Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: harmonica.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: kermit-support@columbia.edu, jheim@mitre.org X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I have a problem with the unixlogin script. I'm trying to invoke it from a script, and sometimes it works, but sometime it fails with: No password prompt If I leave off the password, and I'm prompted for it, it always seems to work. I'm using the Standard C-Kermit initialization file for C-Kermit Version: 5A(190). I'm trying to login to a Sun from a DEC Alpha running VMS through a Microcom modem at 38400. I believe it works better at slower speeds, but who wants to run at slower speeds? I'm sure it's me, but I tried checking the configuration as much as I can and I'm at a loss. The fact that it sometimes works seems odd. Thanks for any hints. Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 19:38:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:38:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26662 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:38:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with unixlogin Date: 15 Dec 1995 19:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4asiqs$q13@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: >I have a problem with the unixlogin >script. I'm trying to invoke it from >a script, and sometimes it works, but >sometime it fails with: > > No password prompt > The unixlogin macro definition waits 5 secs for the password prompt. Try increasing that timeout period to 15 or 30 if needed. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 03:41:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu (Yuehong Zheng) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.sco.programmer,comp.unix.questions Subject: Help: kermit can not talk to OS-9 Date: 15 Dec 1995 03:41:17 GMT Organization: JHU Lines: 9 Message-Id: <4aqqot$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.62.128 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4311 comp.unix.sco.misc:11997 comp.unix.sco.programmer:1766 comp.unix.questions:84753 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have ckermit running on SCO3.2v4.2. And on the other end, I have a OS-9 system running a communication program named DATAMAX, I am suppose to see a a input screen as soon as I connected. I used a direct connection. however, as soon as I issue a "connect", I saw a input screen , but quickly, I was kicked out. And strangely enough, I saw the login screen of my own system! Any idea? From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 12:12:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 15 Dec 1995 12:12:41 GMT Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit 3.14)? Here's what happens. With a normal DOS text file (end of line = CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M" at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e., neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen. After the first few lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter for the transmission to continue. When the transmission is finished, I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further down, where I did. This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings. I've also played with those. I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect. Once I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit (I never got the command line prompt back). If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages (512 bytes?). Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs I've used to contact this system over the years. Any ideas? David Johns afn10375@afn.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 14:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:16:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05690 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:16:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!datalytics!news.ahc.ameritech.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!mcl!timmbake From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 14:36:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 12 Message-Id: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mcl.ucsb.edu Summary: I'd like to mail directly from our linux box via a VMS account. Keywords: mail,sendmail,kermit,VMS,dial-in,shell,script,Linux Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4313 comp.mail.misc:25856 comp.mail.sendmail:25417 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if response warrants. -- Bake Timmons, III -- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:16:05 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:16:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-Id: <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 95 16:50:02 MDT References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii > upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit > 3.14)? > > Here's what happens. With a normal DOS text file (end of line = > CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M" > at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e., > neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen. After the first few > lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter > for the transmission to continue. When the transmission is finished, > I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message > is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines > at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further > down, where I did. > > This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings. I've also played > with those. I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect. Once > I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit > (I never got the command line prompt back). > > If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the > message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. > The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, > and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard > editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages > (512 bytes?). > > Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs > I've used to contact this system over the years. > > Any ideas? ---------- Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after reentering Connect mode. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 16:37:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 06:36:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA29071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 06:36:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace don't work? Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:37:23 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4akb43$o5l@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Tomich (jtomich@news.IntNet.net) wrote: : When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it : works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... : In your startup script (.cshrc, .login, .profile, as the case may be) try stty erase ^H or stty erase ^"?" One will probably work. Initially try it from the command line. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 08:19:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:23:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16343 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:23:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ws41.cnusc.fr!rome.ceram.fr!malibu.unice.fr!cemef.cma.fr!news From: billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr (J. Billiotte) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 15 Dec 1995 08:19:42 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines - CGI Lines: 41 Message-Id: <4arb2u$t08@cemef.cma.fr> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cgipc2.ensmp.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bruce@nevyn.realize.com.auN says... > > >Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and >windoze ?. > >My setup is > > NDIS > ------------------ >DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 >WINPKT > ------------------ > Windoze 3.11 > I use the following configuration and I am very happy of it: MS kermit 3.14 Any Windows' or telnet NCSA Applications NDISPKT3 MSTCP32 --------------------------------- Adaptateur NDIS3 The only disagrement is to use of different IP numbers for NDISPKT3 and MSTCP32. I forget the ftp address of NDISPKT3 package. But I have the address of the creator: ddl@harvard.edu Best regards _____________________________________________________________ Joel Billiotte billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr Centre de Geologie de l'Inginieur - Ecole des Mines de Paris tel : (33) 1 40 51 91 67 fax: (33) 1 43 26 36 56 _____________________________________________________________ Ce message est emis a titre personnel et n'engage pas l'Ecole des Mines de Paris// This message reflects my own opinion and does not engage the Ecole des Mines de Paris. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 11:23:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:42:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:41:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 16 Dec 1995 11:23:49 GMT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after # reentering Connect mode. OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload going? Does that ring any bells? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 03:36:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17089 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bingsun2-gw!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Two Quick questions Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 22:36:21 -0500 Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: br00031@bingsun2-gw Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1. The Dos version I am using is 3.14 beta 18. Is there any reason to get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at columbia 2. I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the Net. I would prefer to teach them to use kermit. The last time I looked a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL. Has a newer version been made for the Sinclair QL? (One that has similair ablities to my MSkermit and Ckermit) Again, please point me to the directory Thanks guys for all your help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 18:49:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:51:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:51:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: Alan Wilder Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:49:31 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-Id: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-sj29-20.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 16 10:53:52 AM PST 1995 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Thank you for taking the time to look at my question. Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 16 00:05:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:13:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA29442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:12:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.hk.net!hk.gin.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 telnet, msk3.14/com3 on NT Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:05:37 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 42 Message-Id: <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks Frank and Joe for K95! Its terrific! I have two small questions.. I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server, Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), K95 v1.1.1 (a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example... define TELCRL,- telnet crl.com,- ; this requires an alt-X to continue? input 15 {ogin:},- if success goto telcrl1,- output \13,- input 10 {ogin:},- if fail goto telcrl2,- :TELCRL1,- output randyd\13,- input 10 {assword:},- if fail goto telcrl2,- output mypasswd\13,- :TELCRL2,- connect (b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT. When the modem is on com3 it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials. Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem. I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem. Is this what you believe? Thank you very much.. Randy. randyd@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:41:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:42:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00488 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:41:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:41:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: : In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: : : # You are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT : # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than : # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does : # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK : # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is : # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the : # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just : # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after : # reentering Connect mode. : : OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload : going? Does that ring any bells? : Unless you use the SET TRANSMIT command to change things, the TRANSMIT command works by reading a line of text from the source file, stripping the line terminator(s) from it, then sending the line of text, then sending a carriage return, and then waiting for a linefeed to echo back. This simulates exactly what would happen if you were typing the lines of text yourself. Kermit waits a pretty long long time (not sure exactly how long in the case of MS-DOS Kermit) for the linefeed to echo, so if the host does not always echo a linefeed, as evidently EDT does not, there will be a lot of inactivity. MS-DOS Kermit lets you wake up a stuck TRANSMIT by hitting the enter key. Let's see what's really happening. Log into VMS, start EDT, then escape back to MS-DOS Kermit and put it into debugging mode with SET DEBUG SESSION. Then start typing lines into EDT's buffer. What do we see? The first 20 lines or so are echoed as: [L ([L is "insert line", which moves the "[EOB]" indicator down.) Old lines stand still, new lines "go down". Kermit sees the linefeed and immediately sends the next line. But then, when the bottom of the screen is reached, EDT's screen updating method changes. From now it sends explicit screen-formatting codes and no more linefeeds. Old lines "go up", and the new line is always at the bottom, just above the "[EOB]". This explains the symptoms you have seen. Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit to serve as an indicator that the line just transmitted has been received. Linefeed only works for the first screen. You could try ESC, but after the first screen there are several ESC characters per line. So first just try: set transmit prompt \0 which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending the lines (make sure you've got good flow control). I tried it here on a file that has several hundred lines and EDT accepted it without loss or complaint. But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n" to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:47:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:48:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00770 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:47:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 telnet, msk3.14/com3 on NT Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:47:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4aviaa$nv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com>, Randy Ding wrote: >I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server, >Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), K95 v1.1.1 > >(a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example... > >define TELCRL,- > telnet crl.com,- ; this requires an alt-X to continue? > Don't say "telnet", say "set host". "telnet blah" is equivalent to "set host blah" followed by "if success connect". >(b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT. When the modem is on com3 > it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it > communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials. > Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem. > > I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard > interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem. > Is this what you believe? > I think the standard advice about "can talk but not listen syndrome" from the KERMIT.BWR file applies here -- the most likely cause is that Kermit is listening on one interrupt and the port (or in this case, the "port simulator" that the NT driver presents to Kermit) is using another. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:55:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00931 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:54:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two Quick questions Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <4avimd$su@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >1. The Dos version I am using is 3.14 beta 18. Is there any reason to >get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at >columbia > You can always get current information from our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Yes, the current version is 3.14, not Beta -- it's always better to go with a real release than a beta. >2. I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the >Net. I would prefer to teach them to use kermit. The last time I looked >a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL. Has a newer >version been made for the Sinclair QL? (One that has similair ablities to >my MSkermit and Ckermit) Again, please point me to the directory > No, sorry. There are two versions of Kermit for the Sinclair QL. Both date from May 1987. They are in the kermit/c/ area in our archive. Just get all the files in that directory whose names start with "ql" and you'll have both versions. It is highly unlikely that they have the same level of functionality as MS-DOS Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:57:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:58:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01037 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:57:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <4avis4$10b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com>, Alan Wilder wrote: >Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? > None whatsoever. >Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? > See our FAQ for greater details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Very briefly: . Set 57600 bps or 115200 bps as the interface speed on your PC and on your modem and "fix" it. . Use RTS/CTS flow control. . Enable error correction and compression in the modem. For fast Kermit file transfers, use a fairly big window size and packet size. Full details in the FAQ. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:03:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:06:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA15945 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:06:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.exodus.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: rdd@access1.digex.net (R. D. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character Date: 16 Dec 1995 17:03:59 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit (UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate the sending of an escape sequence. More specifically, after puting the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the server. Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command" command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't implemented. Thanks in advance for any information that anyone can provide about any of the above questions! -- R. D. Davis * http://www.access.digex.net/~rdd \Computer preservationist. Home: +1 410 744-7964 * Eccentrics have more fun! :-)\Unwanted systems gladly Unconventional Computer Consulting & PERQ Software, \disassembled, removed divs. of Transpower Industries, Inc. +1 410 744-4900 \for free and preserved. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 01:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:26:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18524 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:26:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!tomlane From: tomlane@infinet.com (Tom Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem via telnet does not work Date: 17 Dec 1995 01:13:03 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4avqqv$crc@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use C-Kermit beetween two HP unix systems. I can use my "sz/rz" zmodem programs OK if I am communicating over modem, but not if I telnet beetween the hosts. I get errors, and I have never gotten it to work. Are there any parameters to set when using telnet. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 02:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 05:38:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA19551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 05:38:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:07:15 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior >to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there >without overruns/losses/whatnot). Without a doubt! I was never able to get ANSI printing to work properly-- even though I had flow control working properly (far as I knew), chunks of material were lost in the transmission. Finally I set up Pine and Tin (when I was using those) to pipe the article/ mail into (C-Kermit 190) 'kermit -s - -a prn'. Works like a charm. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 16:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:49:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA14294 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:49:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character Date: 17 Dec 1995 16:48:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <4b1hlp$dtr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net>, R. D. Davis wrote: : While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit : (UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate : the sending of an escape sequence. More specifically, after puting : the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid : manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script : running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the : server. : I'd be tempted to add this question and answer to our FAQ if it were not clearly explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", chapters 11-13 on script programming, particularly pages 276-277. Here's a hint -- if you're writing an automated procedure that runs by itself, don't put the CONNECT command in it. Use the OUTPUT and INPUT commands instead. (And if it's a TCP/IP connection, use the SET HOST command instead of the TELNET command.) Time out for a commercial message (not aimed personally at the poster or any other individual). The Kermit Project is funded ONLY by the income it generates, primarily from sales of the printed manuals. Kermit's script language is like any other programming language -- C, Fortran, Pascal, PL/I, Visual Basic, etc; you wouldn't think of learning how to program in any of those languages without a manual. Thanks to the phenomenal growth of the Internet and the easy accessibility of Kermit software to everyone in the world, more people are using our software than ever before, and fewer than ever are doing their part to support the Kermit Project -- and to help themselves get the most out of the software -- by purchasing the manuals. Our help-desk workload is skyrocketing while our income takes a nosedive. We'd like to continue our work, but this trend is ominous. For information about the Kermit software manuals and how to get them, see our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and more specifically: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html And if you don't have a Web browser: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/booklist.doc : Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command" : command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't : implemented. : It's implemented in the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit clients, but it also needs to be implemented in the Kermit server on the other end. To date, the only Kermit program that implements the server end of "remote kermit" is IBM Mainframe Kermit. You can generally accomplish the same things using other commands, like REMOTE SET and other client/server-oriented commands, also documented in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 17:51:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:43:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:43:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!xplor.com!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: 17 Dec 1995 17:51:54 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4b1lbq$ltg@hustle.rahul.net> References: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alan Wilder (SarGov@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : Hi. Thank you for taking the time to look at my question. : Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? : Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? As compared to what? If you were using Kermit on a 14.4 modem, and doing well, then the only thing you should investigate is the _fixed_ baud rate to the modem. I find that since most of my transfers are .zip files, a speed over 57600 doesn't improve anything. If you've never used kermit, make sure you read the reference material regarding improved performance. Remember that Kermit works quite well on XT-8088, at 1200 baud. It can be made to work better than the default parameters, if you have the hardware to support higher throughput. My 28.8 Practical Peripherals is quite happy under Win95, MSKermit 3.14. (I saw my Kermit-95 show up on my credit card, so I suppose I'll be receiving it soon ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 18:31:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:58:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20746 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:58:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 17 Dec 1995 18:31:36 GMT Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4b1nm8$ra9@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: # Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit # to serve as an indicator that the line just transmitted has # been received. Linefeed only works for the first screen. You # could try ESC, but after the first screen there are several # ESC characters per line. So first just try: # # set transmit prompt \0 # # which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending # the lines (make sure you've got good flow control). I tried # it here on a file that has several hundred lines and EDT # accepted it without loss or complaint. # # But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit # pause n" to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending # each line. Zowie! It works! Thanks a million. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 12:29:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:38:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00175 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:38:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:29:51 GMT Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116717 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4331 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Problem has been solved. And I'm embarrased to say all I needed to do was... set flow none on the sending end. Erik In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >Hi, > >We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both >on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers >with several systems all running the same setup. > >All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. >All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. > >.zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on >both ends with no system activity showing on either end >and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). > >We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in >the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is >a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted >to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any >ideas or suggestions for us concerning this. > >If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof >way to transmit files automatically. > >All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a >straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local >machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang". And every once >in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to >where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related). > >Any and all help is greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > Erik Hatcher >-- > Erik Hatcher > http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h -- Erik Hatcher http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 22:52:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:36:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:36:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.wctc.net!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:52:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.88 with YES 0.20.B0509 Message-Id: Lines: 29 X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for Yarn! The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on 15 Dec 95 16:50:02 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: [...] >> If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the >> message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. >> The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, >> and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard >> editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages >> (512 bytes?). If I remember right, in the standard VMS mail editor, you need to press at the end of each line. Then your messages can be as long as you like. If you *don't* hit enter at the end of each line, then there is a line-limit of 512 characters. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com current owner of the Children's Rights List current owner of the Minister's Discussion List -- Proud user of MS-Kermit 3.14! Faster than Zmodem! More Robust than any other protocol that is available for hundreds of incompatible platforms! [works on nearly ALL computers!] FTP: kermit.columbia.edu WWW: www.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 15:08:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:47:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA20466 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:47:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!ames!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 18 Dec 1995 09:08:18 -0600 Organization: Tulane University Lines: 16 Sender: jmcbray@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu Message-Id: References: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> <4anc3n$mh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 13 Dec 1995 20:12:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "JA" == Jeffrey Altman writes: JA> If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen JA> and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate JA> keys. JA> If you application is something like emacs with its own Command JA> sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition. N.B.: Emacs understands the DEC UpScreen and DownScreen keys if your termcap entry is for a DEC-type terminal (vtxxx). That's true for GNU emacs 19.xx, at least; probably not for emacs 18. -- --------------------------------------------------------------+ Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | Cosmic indifference sure is a drag. -- Akbar (or is it Jeff?) | From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 03:57:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:15:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA28053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:15:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:57:58 CST From: Message-Id: <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix WordPerfect and MSKerm3.14 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all-- Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing direction? (This was my symptom, anyway). Also, what changed across 3.13-3.14 to cause this to be necessary? Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz, Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Just another roller-bearing | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | ...in the Data Warehouse | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 10:04:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:03:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA14092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:03:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!news From: tfirmin@ghand.smart.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit echo problem Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 17:04:48 PDT Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ghand.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. It is echoing back all of the characters that are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, and setting echo to local. Neither worked. Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do I fix it? Thanks, Terry From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 14:52:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:52:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:52:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect and MSKerm3.14 Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:52:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <4b6jil$6l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>, wrote: > Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on > SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why > removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization > string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing > direction? (This was my symptom, anyway). > Our first attempt, circa 1990, at implementing a mechanism by which the host could control the terminal emulator was the "TERMINALR/TERMINALS" macros, which could be invoked by a high-numbered escape sequence we thought would be safe: ESC [ 34 h / l Before choosing this sequence we not only researched the DEC technical manuals, but also made numerous frustrating attempts to contact the authority within DEC that was in charge of assigning new escape sequences to ensure that DEC did not have any plans for this one, and request that they reserve it for us. We were never able to locate the right people. So, perhaps unwisely, we went forward with this feature, and the UNIX and VMS WordPerfect used this feature heavily to dynamically switch key maps. As luck (or Murphy's Law) would have it, DEC subsequently picked this same sequence to control screen-writing direction in its Hebrew-model terminals, and later this sequence found its way into many applications that had nothing to do with Hebrew, as a standard part of the terminal initialization. Soon, users of diverse VMS applications such as DECnotes, All-In-1, etc, began to report that whenever they started up these applications, strange things would happen: a file would begin to transfer, their key map would change, etc. In fact, these were the actions defined in their TERMINALR macros. So we had to give up on the TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism in version 3.14 and adopted the far more flexible APC mechanism, and changed Kermit to treat the former TERMINALS/R escape sequence as a screen-writing direction changer. So now users of the "old" WordPerfect and the new Kermit were in for a new surprise -- their screens would come out backwards! In short, both Kermit and WordPerfect had to be changed to get around the conflict between the two uses for the same escape sequence. The tale is told in the KERMIT.BWR file for version 3.14, in the Incompatibilities section, and the new APC mechanism is documented in the KERMIT.UPD file, Section 10. > Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz, > Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit. > On behalf of all of us, you're very welcome! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 14:57:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:57:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:57:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. : It is echoing back all of the characters that : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do : I fix it? : Does the double echoing occur in command mode or CONNECT mode? Or both? Does it happen only in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the shell prompt? Does it occur on the Sun's own workstation screen, or are you coming in to the Sun from some other terminal or emulator? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 19:41:00 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05553 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA29486 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:40:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 Version 1.1.2 Date: 20 Dec 1995 00:40:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 217 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4b7m2j$sp9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:14 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4338 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce version 1.1.2 of Kermit 95, which is being issued as a patch to the earlier releases. Kermit 95 is full-featured 32-bit native communications software for Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51 (Intel platforms only). Kermit 95 is: . A serial communications program . A Telnet client . (and now...) An Rlogin client Offering: . VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation . Screen rollback, key mapping, colors, printer & mouse functions . Kermit, ZMODEM, YMODEM, YMODEM-G, and XMODEM file transfer . A powerful script programming language . Character set translation for many character sets . Long filenames, multithreading, Winsock compatibility, etc . Comprehensive manuals For features and performance, Kermit 95 surpasses all the other Windows 95 and NT communications software we've looked at: QmodemPro, WinQVT, NetTerm, CRT, HyperTerminal, EWAN, SimpTerm, and Microsoft Telnet. A feature-by- feature comparison chart of all these packages is included at the end of this message. Kermit 95 version 1.1.2 is available now. It includes the following new features: . RLOGIN connections . Meridian Technology SuperLAT connections . 32-bit ("thunking") Trumpet Winsock connections now supported . 32-bit FTP Software OnNet-32 connections now supported Plus numerous minor new features as well as bug fixes including: . Vertical scrolling problem in Dialer fixed . ANSWER command (for answering modem calls) fixed . Compose key (Alt-C) fixed . SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT fixed to display characters 0x80-0x9F . Various other VT emulation fixes resulting in a perfect(*) VTTEST score . Various printer-related fixes . Various XYZMODEM-related fixes . Ctrl-C can now interrupt stuck file transfers, server mode, etc . Setting title bar from "kermit -j host" fixed The new READ.ME and BUGS.DOC file that come with version 1.1.2 explain all the changes and fixes in detail. If you already have Kermit 95 1.1 or 1.1.1 installed, you may download and apply the patches to upgrade to version 1.1.2: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/k95/patches/ http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html The relevant files are: patch.doc Brief explanation of the patching procedure patch.exe The program to apply the patches w110-112.rtp The patch from version 1.1 to 1.1.2 w110-112.rtd Additional info for the 1.1-to-1.1.2 patch w111-112.rtp The patch from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 w111-112.rtd Additional info for the 1.1.1-to-1.1.2 patch If you have an UNZIP program the patches for each upgrade patch are available as ZIP files: w110-112.zip From 1.1 to 1.1.2 w111-112.zip From 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 Or call our BBS to get the patch files. Registered users have the phone number and a login ID. If you don't have Kermit 95 and would like to order it or find out more about it, just visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html And now here is the feature and performance comparison chart. This chart is also available at our Web site, with hot links from each VTTEST score to the corresponding detailed score sheet: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95compare.html. For evaluating VT100/102 terminal emulators, a new scoring system was developed for the VTTEST program. Kermit 95 passes every single test(*), compared to some surprisingly low scores for other VT emulators. (*) Except the host-controlled keyboard autorepeat test, which no PC software supports, and with some noted problems in 132-column mode in Windows 95 only (not Windows NT) due to a bug in the Windows 95 console driver that cannot be worked around. Host: Sun Sparcserver 10, SunOS 4.1.3. Client: IBM PC 750 P90, Windows 95. Connection: Telnet via 10MB Ethernet, client and server on same net. Ripple test: Seconds to scroll 1000 80-character lines on an 80x24 screen. VTTEST score: 1 point for each of 100 tests, plus up to 10 extra-credit points. PROGRAM: K-95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MSTelnet1.0 VERSION: 1.1.2 2.0 1.0B7 0.9.4 1.052 2.7 4.0 Win95 WinNT VTTEST score 105[a] 46 71 61 33 25[b] 59 28[c] 25[c] Ripple test, sec 4 3 11 13 4 21 16 13 8 CHARACTERISTICS K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet 32-bit yes yes yes yes no yes yes yes yes Long file names yes yes yes yes no yes yes n/a n/a Multithread yes yes no no no no no no no Scripting yes yes no no no no [d] no no Preloaded sites 200+ 6 0 0 0 400+ 0 0 0 CONNECTION K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Serial connections yes yes no no no [b] yes no no TAPI supported no yes n/a n/a n/a ? no n/a n/a Works without TAPI yes no n/a n/a n/a ? n/a n/a n/a Telnet yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes Incoming Telnet yes no no no no no ? no no Rlogin yes no yes yes no no yes no no SOCKS no no yes no no no ? no no Runs in Win 95 yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes - Runs in Win NT yes no yes yes yes ? yes - yes TERMINAL EMULATION K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet VT52 yes yes no yes yes yes yes yes yes VT100 yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes VT102 yes yes yes no no no yes no no VT220 yes yes no no no [e] yes no no VT320 yes yes no no no no no no no ANSI yes yes no yes yes yes yes [e] [e] Scrollback lines 2000K 32K 10K 32K 32K 32K 75? 0 0 132 column mode yes [f] yes yes no yes yes no no Double h/w chars [g] no yes no no no yes no no Resize yes [f] yes yes yes yes yes ? yes NAWS yes [f] yes yes yes ? yes no no Colors yes yes yes yes yes yes yes [h] [h] Transparent print yes [i] no no yes yes yes no no Autoprint yes no no no no yes yes no no Key mapping yes yes [j] [j] yes yes yes no no Compose key yes no no no no no no no no Latin-1 yes [k] no no yes no [L] yes yes Other Roman yes [k] no no no no [L] no no Cyrillic yes [k] no no no no no no no Hebrew yes [k] no no no no no no no Chinese/Japanese no [k] no yes no no no no no FILE TRANSFER K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Text/binary choice yes no no no n/a no yes n/a n/a Kermit protocol yes [m] no [n] no [o] yes no no Kermit autodownload yes no no yes n/a no no n/a n/a ZMODEM protocol yes yes [n] [n] no yes no no no ZMODEM autodownload yes yes yes yes n/a no n/a n/a n/a YMODEM protocol yes yes no no no no no no no YMODEM-G protocol yes yes no no no no no no no XMODEM protocol yes yes no no no no no no no Max Kermit packet 9024 [m] n/a 2048 n/a n/a 1024 n/a n/a Max Kermit window 32 [m] n/a 1 n/a n/a 1 n/a n/a Latin1 yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Other Roman yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Cyrillic yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Hebrew yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Japanese yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a PRICING K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Single-copy price $54 $99 $30 [p] [q] $20+10 $40+5 [r] [r] Academic license yes no [s] n/a [q] ? [s] [r] [r] Bulk license yes [s] [s] n/a [q] ? [s] [r] [r] Printed manual yes yes no no no yes ? no no NOTES: [a] In Windows NT 3.51. In Windows 95, a Microsoft console driver bug prevents proper writing of attributes to 132-column windows; this lowers the score by 17 points because although 132-column windows are handled correctly, the attributes are wrong. When Microsoft fixes the bug, Kermit 95 will display attributes correctly in 132-column windows as it does now in Windows NT. [b] Crashes [c] Character-set test puts it into graphics mode, can't be reset, must be restarted to finish other tests. [d] Minimal, only two operations. [e] Claims to support this emulation but does not. [f] Not host selectable. 132-column mode, once entered, can never go back to 80-column mode. Responses to resize requests are incorrect when in 132-column mode. [g] Simulated with correct spacing [h] Foreground or background color selectable, but not both. [i] It's an option, but nothing comes out of the printer. [j] Only function ( F ) keys can be mapped [k] All character translations must be supplied by user [L] DEC MCS is the default terminal character set; Latin-1 and ISO 646 German fonts are available to registered users on request. [m] Kermit protocol doesn't work [n] Download only, upload not available [o] Hangs Windows 95, requires reboot [p] Freeware with contributions encouraged. [q] Freeware with support contract available at $495 per year. [r] Bundled with Windows. [s] Additional licensing terms available only on request. Maximum scrollback lines are what the program permits, but the actual usable amount depends on the PC's available physical memory and swap space. Feel free to run your own comparisons. If you find errors in this report, please report them by email to kermit@columbia.edu. Frank da Cruz and Christine Gianone Managers, the Kermit Project Columbia University, New York City From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 23:49:45 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14978 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08117 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!news From: tfirmin@ghand.smart.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 15:37:57 PDT Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ghand.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, write: > Path: news.smart.net!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc > From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Subject: Re: kermit echo problem > Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:57:45 GMT > Organization: Columbia University > Lines: 18 > Message-ID: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > References: > NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu > > In article , > wrote: > : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. > : It is echoing back all of the characters that > : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). > : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, > : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. > : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do > : I fix it? > : > Does the double echoing occur in command mode > or CONNECT mode? Or both? connect only > Does it happen only > in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the > shell prompt? only in c-kermit > Does it occur on the Sun's own > workstation screen, or are you coming in to the > Sun from some other terminal or emulator? > I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun running Solaris > - Frank Terry From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 01:16:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20364 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:16:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!noc.near.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-ID: <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest> Date: 19 Dec 95 10:39:13 EST References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n" > to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line. > Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT in line mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already there) and type INSERT at the * prompt. The cursor will appear to indent, and you can do a transmit. When you're done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the *. EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than when running in full screen mode. Actually, this also works better than just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit -- from work, with a network connection, I get overruns trying that (works from home with a slower connection, though). From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 01:29:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20744 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:29:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!columba.udac.uu.se!populus.slu.se!newsmgr From: Gunnar.Magnusson@data.slu.se (Gunnar Magnusson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Trumpet Winsock together Date: 19 Dec 1995 18:29:58 GMT Organization: SLU Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4b70b6$o89@populus.slu.se> Reply-To: Gunnar.Magnusson@data.slu.se NNTP-Posting-Host: gmagnusson Keywords: kermit,winsock Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that it is works running Kermit and Trumpet Winsock (tested ver 2.0B), both using a packet driver. When running Kermit in a DOS-window you must have Winsock programs inactive (for example not fetching mail with Eudora or having Netscape inactive) and vice versa. Have other people the same experience? Can anybody explain more exactly when and why things go wrong? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 03:59:06 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25523 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:59:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-ID: <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 95 12:56:44 MDT References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > # Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT > # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than > # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does > # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK > # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is > # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the > # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just > # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after > # reentering Connect mode. > > OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload > going? Does that ring any bells? ----------- I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT responds please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses vary depending on where one is in the screen (middle, bottom) and whether material follows the insertion point, full screen or line editing mode, etc. I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it from the Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I press ENTER to keep it going if the editor is being cute with cursor work. That is hardly a bother to me. To avoid all such problems use a line-mode editing system, for which the TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so press the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 04:44:16 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA27555 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA13974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:44:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Resetting screen attributes Message-ID: <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax> From: John Fisher Date: 19 Dec 95 13:24:47 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: Information Technology, Georgetown University Nntp-Posting-Host: fisherj.it.georgetown.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter. I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare host. Both sessions startup OK. When I switch back to the Unixware host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions. When I switch between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in their place. How can I fix this? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 09:01:17 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15543 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04821 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:01:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: 20 Dec 1995 14:01:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: <4b94uv$4mg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : wrote: : > In article , : > wrote: : > : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. : > : It is echoing back all of the characters that : > : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). : > : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, : > : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. : > : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do : > : I fix it? : > : : > Does the double echoing occur in command mode : > or CONNECT mode? Or both? : : connect only : : > Does it happen only : > in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the : > shell prompt? : : only in c-kermit : : > Does it occur on the Sun's own : > workstation screen, or are you coming in to the : > Sun from some other terminal or emulator? : : I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun : running Solaris : So you are engaging in terminal emulation through a series of emulators (xterm and C-Kermit). Only the computer at the far end should be echoing. None of the emulators should be echoing. C-Kermit, when in CONNECT mode, does not echo unless you tell it to with "set duplex half" or "set terminal echo on" (same thing), or unless you are using C-Kermit to make a TELNET connection and the TELNET server on the other end has asked C-Kermit to do the echoing, but then goes ahead and echoes itself anyway. Another possibility would be that you are using a modem or terminal server that has been configured to do its own echoing. So I'll still need more information. Is the connection between the two SPARCs a serial connection or a TELNET connection? If it is a TELNET connection, are you using the standard TELNET TCP port (23) or some other port? Did you issue any "set telnet" commands to C-Kermit prior to making the connection? You can find out what TELNET negotiations took place as follows: 1. Tell C-Kermit to "log debug". 2. Make the connection to the other computer. 3. Observe the double echoing. 4. Log out from the other computer. 5. Exit from C-Kermit. 6. grep ^TELNET debug.log > file The "file" contains all the TELNET negotiations. If the results are not clear, send the file by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 15:52:52 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17481 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19947 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:52:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!news.corpnet.com!news.voyager.net!voyager.net!vixa!volckaer From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 20 Dec 1995 20:05:49 GMT Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... Jeff Volckaert From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 18:51:48 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25575 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 20 Dec 1995 23:51:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" communications path. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 18:58:54 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25859 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:58:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ossi.com!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem ats0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:36:31 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place for this post or not, but I shall try. I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8 modem (one at work, one at home). I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group a few months ago. Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like this: define goserver - set com3 \x3e8 5, - set port 3, - set carrier on, - set server login gbernard gbernard, - set server timeout 0, - server Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I add the lines: out +++, sleep 1, ats0=3, sleep 1, after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will *never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. So, my brain dead question is, is this a US Robotics modem bug, am I doing something stupid (always a strong possibility), or ??? TIA - any help would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 19:35:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27475 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:35:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem ats0 Date: 21 Dec 1995 00:35:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4baa4f$r98@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: : I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8 : 3.14, right? : modem (one at work, one at home). I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI : file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group : a few months ago. Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like : this: : : define goserver - : set com3 \x3e8 5, - : set port 3, - : set carrier on, - : set server login gbernard gbernard, - : set server timeout 0, - : server : Now that the world knows your authentication info, be sure to change it :-) : Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem : ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I : add the lines: : : out +++, : sleep 1, : ats0=3, : sleep 1, : : after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will : *never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. : Change the lines above to: sleep 1,- out +++,- sleep 1,- out ats0=3\13,- input 2 OK,- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:42:46 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00109 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA29985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:42:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem ats0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:06:32 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <30d7ed00.293169116@128.230.1.4> References: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial-88.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) wrote: >Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem >ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I >add the lines: > > out +++, > sleep 1, > ats0=3, > sleep 1, > >after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will >*never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. Greg, "output ats0=3". :-) - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/vince.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:58:01 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00679 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 20 Dec 1995 09:31:29 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4b8l5h$9q3@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest>, pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) wrote: # Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT # in line mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already # there) and type INSERT at the * prompt. The cursor will # appear to indent, and you can do a transmit. When you're # done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the *. # # EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than # when running in full screen mode. Actually, this also works # better than just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit # -- from work, with a network connection, I get overruns trying # that (works from home with a slower connection, though). And I never thought I'd actually have a use for insert mode! Thanks for a great tip. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:58:30 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00698 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 20 Dec 1995 09:31:30 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4b8l5i$9q4@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT # responds please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses # vary depending on where one is in the screen (middle, bottom) # and whether material follows the insertion point, full screen # or line editing mode, etc. Yes, as Frank pointed out, using SET TERM PROMPT \0 solves that problem. # I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it # from the Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I # press ENTER to keep it going if the editor is being cute with # cursor work. That is hardly a bother to me. To avoid all such # problems use a line-mode editing system, for which the # TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so # press the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand. I can use EVE from the command prompt, but for some reason I've never been able to get MAIL to call it up, and that's all I use the VAX for. But a combination of not looking for a prompt and using insert mode seems like the best answer. Thanks for your help. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 01:56:43 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14467 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08811 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:56:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hebrew e-mail, etc Date: 21 Dec 1995 04:28:02 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4banoi$5k0@thoth.nilenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For those who wish to do hebrew e-mail, and already have a dos PC and a UNIX internet node, things are now pretty easy, particularly if you have mskermit 3.14. we are even hoping that there will be a hebrew mailing list soon. and with mskermit you can even compose hebrew messages in the recent English PINE easily, with the help of some scripts: kermit enables you to write in hebrew characters and see them on your screen going the right way, while the scripts enable you to reverse their actual direction and right justify afterwards. some helpful files have been posted and are available on jerusalem1. e-brew.txt is a cookbook style info file e-brew.zip and its complementary ebrewadd.zip are a quickstart program package that can also serve as a convenient toolkit, and a later program and script package that improves it. the e-brew files are at ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.txt ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.zip ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/support/offline_mail/ebrewadd.zip the locations might change, but that's where the files are now. i don't want to use up bandwidth here, so anyone interested should contact me for a copy of the full announcement or anything else that i might be able to help with. gideon -- gideon weisz ïåòãâ [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 05:36:52 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22323 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA12159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:36:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial out with Kermit Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:12:43 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <30d8dc69.354467112@128.230.1.4> References: <4baftl$o7g@suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial3-167.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de wrote: >Hello ! > >Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available >communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ? >I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the >Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver ! >From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out ! In most situations, regular folks, like you and me, aren't allowed to dial out after logging in on someone else's UNIX system, even if the system has the capability (which it probably doesn't). If you were on a UNIX host with dial out capability, and you had permission to do so, the procedure would be pretty straightforward (as on my PC running Linux)... start kermit ... set port /dev/cua0 (whatever UNIX device the modem's on) ... set speed xxx ... set flow xxx ... set everything else that needs to be set ... dial ... - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/vince.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 08:57:43 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07952 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA02245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:57:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de!news From: achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial out with Kermit Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:06:12 GMT Organization: Humboldt Universitaet zu Berlin Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4baftl$o7g@suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.20.199.43 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello ! Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ? I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver ! >From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out ! Two things I donnot know: 1. Where and wich name is the Modemserver ! 2. Wich 'Communication Device' can I use ! Are there some Unix-Commands i can use for ? It would be really nice when answering , cu Chris. PS: I guess a modemserver, but when i set host and try to dial out kermit says 'Call failed " ! Know anyone this Problem ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 16:47:18 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11203 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18106 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:47:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail From: tuber@crl.com (Mark Tubesing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Info... Date: 21 Dec 1995 08:38:34 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4bc2ia$kj5@crl9.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl9.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I apologize for posting these off-topic questions here, but I could find no other groups dealing with async protocols. I am looking for technical information regarding a protocol called X.PC which was developed by Tymnet and released into public domain. More specifically, I'm wanting to contrast its file transfer method with that of ZMODEM, so technical info on ZMODEM is needed as well. If someone could point me in the right direction, that would be great. I appreciate your assistance! --tuber-- tuber@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 22:10:01 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29402 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:09:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!istar.net!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:41:36 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation, etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or "k95" from the command line. How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory details in to my k95.ini? Evan From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 22:10:23 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29439 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:10:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!istar.net!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:43:39 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to each site in the list. Evan From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 22 08:52:39 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02066 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:52:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:52:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4bed6v$pvj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my : telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation, : etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make : it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or : "k95" from the command line. : : How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory : details in to my k95.ini? : In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command: set startup-file keep Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer. You will find a text file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection you just started. It contains all the commands relevant to that connection, mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect" commands at the end. Move all but these final action commands to your K95CUSTOM.INI file. Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file. In a forthcoming release, there will be an easier way to save, copy, and propogate collections of settings. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 22 09:08:40 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02759 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27141 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 22 Dec 1995 14:08:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4bee52$qg3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open : multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It : is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to : each site in the list. : OK. Although the Dialer can open multiple Telnet connections, the reason it can only open one connection per host is because the connections are keyed by entry name. So until the requested feature is added, you can work around this restriction by making additional entries in the Dialer for the same host, but with different names. Just use the Clone button: "host", "host2", "host3", and so on. You can also use the Quick button to make a second connection, and of course you can also start K95.EXE directly and make connections to any host you with from the prompt, but in these cases you don't get all the settings from the Dialer's notebook pages. But you can get around this by following the hint in the thread, "Connecting to the same host multiple times". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 02:01:12 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26276 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27972 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:01:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Resetting screen attributes Message-ID: <1995Dec22.200630.69925@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Dec 95 20:06:30 MDT References: <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 In article <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax>, John Fisher writes: > Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter. > I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare > host. Both sessions startup OK. When I switch back to the Unixware > host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions. When I switch > between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. > Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in > their place. How can I fix this? ----------- Keyboards are inherited between sessions, in the sense that unless instructed otherwise the current keyboard configuration is used for the next NEW session. Once a session has begun then it retains its own keyboard definitions, as it also does for terminal emulation and screen. So you don't need to keep saying "take wpunix.ini" when toggling amongst Telnet sessions. Sort of neat actually. What I don't understand is the meaning of "horizontal and vertical lines." Are they text mode line drawing characters, such as for boxes etc, or are they real graphics mode items? If the former then character sets should move been sessions along with everything else, but your take wpunix.ini may have remodified what the host setup. Perhaps you could elaborate for us. Sorry for the delayed response, but the local NEWS reader was broken for many days and this is as far as it has caught up tonight. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 16:28:29 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03706 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!bcr10.bcr.bc.ca!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:09:18 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Message-ID: <4bhr4u$us@piano.synapse.net> References: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bed6v$pvj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 19 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command: > set startup-file keep >Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer. You will find a text >file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection >you just started. It contains all the commands relevant to that connection, >mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect" >commands at the end. Move all but these final action commands to your >K95CUSTOM.INI file. >Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file. Works great! Thank you. Evan From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 17:50:50 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06199 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Message-ID: <1995Dec23.152619.69940@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Dec 95 15:26:19 MDT References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes: > I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I > have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC > network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my > Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan > Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to > work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. > I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then > kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. > > Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running > at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I > have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... > > Jeff Volckaert --------- Did you review the networking notes in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution kit? I'm presuming that you are using MSK on the client that is having trouble. If you haven't then this is a good time to do so, and in particular get file NET.CFG into proper shape (as per the examples in the notes). Recall, use frame kind Ethernet_II with ODI. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 05:52:25 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01211 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28540 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:52:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!xplor!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 24 Dec 1995 06:22:53 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just installed K-95. Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup, everything moved cleanly. After warning me that I should make sure that the Windows modem setup was correct, this batch file prompts me individually for each item that I just finished checking in the Windows setup, and then asks me to confirm each line with another carriage return... My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list. Or is it item 15? They both read the same. Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just before "P", which really is item 15. The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting. Didn't anyone read it? The default for the backspace is still DEL. True, that is pure VT100, but nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program. 600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory? Is that really a feature? A small DOS box as the default connection screen? It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS? Then why can't I close it with a click on the close button, without getting a DOS-like warning? I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does _work_, but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken it back, and used PCPlus 2.1 instead. The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP transfers are each faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact that PCPlus is a 16 bit program. anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-) Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me). The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark something, and I can easily paste it into another window. I only read the book once, so I can't remember how to paste into the Kermit window. But there is no mouse pointer. I have to guess where it is. Actually, I just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I want to start, then let go, and begin a mark again. Tacky as hell, but then this is K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it. I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95, doesn't count as "activity" to Winsock. I got a box indicating that my line had been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect? This happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't interface properly with Winsock. Usage does seem to update the count of characters in the little modem box in the task bar. Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug. Certainly not the fault of Kermit. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 14:17:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23876 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28667 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:17:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!cs124-7.u.washington.edu From: apardoe@u.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Failure to initialize Date: 24 Dec 1995 10:36:22 EDT Organization: BUILD 10-NOV-95 (0.9.7.6) Lines: 48 Message-ID: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs124-7.u.washington.edu I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. CKermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK" (I assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the second? I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a problem finding my modem. For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI: set port 4 (putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing) set modem hayes set speed 57600 if fail set speed 38400 if fail set speed 19200 if fail set speed 9600 set dial speed-matching off set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0 (I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the options. It does set full messages ON.) (There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 section and so here's the OS/2 section...) :OS/2 ; OS/2 customizations... set modem hayes set port com4 set speed 57600 set flow rts/cts ; It uses hardware flow control set terminal apc off ; Change to ON if desired set server display on ; Show file display in server mode too Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare combination in '95. apardoe@u.washington.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 14:46:00 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24717 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29288 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:45:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!usc!newshub.csu.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: c-kermit script file Date: 24 Dec 1995 19:07:49 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4bk8e5$ck2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu hi, netters, i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school. is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in? TIA - jae From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 23:07:56 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11696 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 23:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 23:07:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet From: caradoc@neta.com (Santa ) Message-ID: Control: cancel <4bkkc4$9el@news1.goodnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.postech.ac.kr Subject: cmsg cancel <4bkkc4$9el@news1.goodnet.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 07:54:32 KST Approved: y Lines: 3 UDP SPAM cancelled by jem@xpat.postech.ac.kr. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 03:56:09 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22635 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 03:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27190 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 03:56:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!news.worldcom.com!news.lei.net!coconut!news.enteract.com!news.voyager.net!voyager.net!vixa!volckaer From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:16:57 GMT Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: : : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I : : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC : : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my : : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan : : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to : : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. : : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then : : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. : : : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running : : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I : : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... : : : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the : NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? : Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on : the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to : make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" : communications path. : - Frank Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This doesn't work either. :-( What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP tcp/ip stack. Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? Thanks, Jeff Volckaert From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 11:04:15 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15086 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 11:04:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Failure to initialize Date: 25 Dec 1995 15:44:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4bmgst$2l7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu apardoe@u.washington.edu writes: >I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit >right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once >before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. > >I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 >and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a >problem finding my modem. I have a similar setup, with a Boca 28.8 internal on COM 3 (3E8, IRQ5) > >For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI: > >set port 4 >(putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing) You're not also using COM2 at the same time are you? IRQ3 is usually claimed by COM2 > > set modem hayes > set speed 57600 > if fail set speed 38400 > if fail set speed 19200 > if fail set speed 9600 > set dial speed-matching off Don't think you want to mess with that. You should connect at a fixed rate and let your modem do the speed management. > >set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0 >(I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and >from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the >options. It does set full messages ON.) > >(There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 >section and so here's the OS/2 section...) > >:OS/2 ; OS/2 customizations... >set modem hayes >set port com4 >set speed 57600 >set flow rts/cts ; It uses hardware flow control >set terminal apc off ; Change to ON if desired >set server display on ; Show file display in server mode too > My CKERMOD.INI set port 3 set modem hayes set speed 115200 set carrier off set flow rts/cts There are a few extraneous statements like: define cso dial 5552020, while failure {dial L}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect which I use do dial a busy system, and ring the bell when it finally makes it, but that's all that I use for line control. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 13:10:58 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19452 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 13:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA25329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 13:10:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!gandalf.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet. Date: 25 Dec 1995 12:40:28 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.rutgers.edu I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it. I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to the client? thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Lee Clarke, Sociology, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903 lclarke@rci.rutgers.edu, 908/445-5741 fax:908/445-0974 http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~lclarke From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 16:38:55 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26260 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:38:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 25 Dec 1995 21:38:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4bn5lb$td@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: >Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc >numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so >LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, >then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This >doesn't work either. :-( > I don't know what pkt8000 is. But if you are running Kermit directly over the appropriate packet driver for the SMC network board, and the packet driver and the board agree about which interrupt is used for communication, and you aren't doing this under Windows, then it should work. If you are doing it under Windows 3.x, then you'll also need to insert the WINPKT shim, as documented in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. >What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP >tcp/ip stack. > Yes. It is documented in section 4.2 of NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. > Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? > No. For this you need Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 16:41:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26374 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00982 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:41:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!news.champlain.edu!news From: Wayne Buttles Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:02:42 -0800 Organization: Champlain College of Vermont Lines: 16 Message-ID: <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu> Reply-To: buttles@champlain.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: home.fdisk.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit) I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen telnet sessions under Win95. I can't for the life of me, however, figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the screen. I really need a 25 char high window since I am running remote dos sessions via telnet. Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page up/down send the proper commands? I think I can figure out how to remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great. I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work around. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 17:43:46 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28432 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:43:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: c-kermit script file Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:16:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bn7rp$3tn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bk8e5$ck2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jae H Shin (jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: : i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school. : is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in? Piles of scripts on columbia.edu. Most of them are more complicated than they need to be. Some are included in the ckermit .zip files. Have a look at the modem dialer scripts and improvise. It's not difficult at all for a simple connection. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 17:57:05 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28792 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA03016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:57:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:32:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4bn8pd$4ce@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-) : Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut : and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me). Hey! Now I have a mouse pointer. It appears that changing the mouse pointer color from black to black in the K-95 dialer "terrminal" options caused a black cursor-block to appear. I didn't change anything, I just clicked on the down-arrow to see what was available, then "saved" the edit session. One problem down. In my first attempt to register for the Kermit support BBS, I "entered" past the serial number prompt. Now it doesn't think I am a registered user, and I don't see any place to plug in my serial number. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:11:13 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29332 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:11:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 187 Message-ID: <4bnb2e$3f3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: > > I just installed K-95. > Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup, > It's not a DOS batch file -- it's a program, SETUP.EXE. It does what it needs to do. Nevertheless, we will have a GUI installation program (that does exactly the same thing, more or less, but looks prettier :-) soon, since first impressions do indeed seem to count for much. > ... everything moved cleanly. After warning me that I should make sure > that the Windows modem setup was correct, this batch file prompts me > individually for each item that I just finished checking in the Windows > setup, and then asks me to confirm each line with another carriage > return... > We *could* say that because the accuracy of this information is so important to the correct functioning of the program, that we make you go through it again for safety. But the fact is, as you have probably learned by now (by reading the BUGS.DOS file), the Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) capability is not yet active, and so Kermit 95 is presently unable to get this information from Windows, as it should be able to do. TAPI is an advertised and essential feature of Kermit 95, and as soon as we can get it working, it will be available to you as a patch, and the SETUP program will no longer have to for this information. > My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list. > Or is it item 15? They both read the same. > Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just > before "P", which really is item 15. > Oops! Nobody reported this before -- you're right, it's a bug in the setup program. Item 14 is really Multitech; Item 15 is Practical Peripherals. Thanks for noticing & reporting this one! > The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting. Didn't anyone > read it? > We'd be happy to receive a list of the ones you've noticed. > The default for the backspace is still DEL. True, that is pure VT100, > but nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program. > Well, that's arguable. This one falls into the "you can't please everybody" category. As many readers know, some hosts and services want you to send DEL (Rubout, ASCII 127) to erase a character, others want you to send Backspace (ASCII 8). You can read the long story about this in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt In any case, which default are you talking about? Each Dialer entry has its own setting for this. If any of them are wrong, we'd like to know. If you run K95.EXE without the Dialer, or you create a new Dialer entry without cloning an existing one, then in that case we might say the "default default" is DEL. It has to be something. You can change it on a per-connection basis in the Dialer entry's keyboard page. To change the default for new entries, change it in the DEFAULT entry. To change the default when running K95.EXE without the Dailer, put: set key \264 \8 in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. There is very little in Kermit 95 that you cannot change to suit your preferences. > 600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory? Is that really a feature? > A lot of people think so. You don't have to use them or keep them if you don't want to (see notes in BUGS.DOC and in our FAQ). But even then, many of them make good models that people use for creating their own entries quickly. It's easier than issuing sixty SET commands, no? > A small DOS box as the default connection screen? > It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS? > It is a 32-bit Windows 95 console window. There is nothing DOS about this program. It is indeed unfortunate that it *looks* like DOS (and that Windows insists on inserting the DOS icon into the Title bar, even though K95.EXE has its own built-in icon), but that's how Windows 95 consoles look. > Then why can't I close it with a click on the close button, without > getting a DOS-like warning? > Windows 95 does not pass the Close message to console applications. Clearly, there are many disadvantages to console mode. In our FAQ we discuss our reasons for releasing Kermit 95 initially as a console application. Now we are working on converting it to a full GUI application, which registered users will receive at no additional cost. In the meantime, let's not forget what the program actually *does*, as compared with how it looks. See the comparisons of Kermit 95 with other Windows 95 and NT communication applications on the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does > _work_, but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken > it back, and used PCPlus 2.1 instead. The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP > transfers are each faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact > that PCPlus is a 16 bit program. > We benchmarked Procomm Plus 2.0 against Kermit a couple years ago and did not find this to be true. We have not yet had the opportunity to run benchmarks against version 2.1. But we did perform benchmarks against HyperTerminal 1.0 using a V.34 modem connection with the following results (see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95hyper.html for details): HyperTerminal Kermit 95 Kermit Text file: 557 cps 5573 cps Kermit ZIP file: 453 cps 3206 cps Zmodem Text file: 5148 cps 5461 cps Zmodem ZIP file: 3241 cps 3263 cps What did you get with Procomm? > Anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my > mousie ;-) Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom > of reinventing cut and paste in a program that can only be run under > windows escapes me). > Kermit 95 includes its own mouse handler that lets you do things faster than Windows would (such as select-and-paste in one movement) and that lets you do things that Windows does not let you do (such as steer the terminal cursor as if you were punching arrow keys lots of times). These things are documented on pages 55-58 of "Kermit 95". If you do not like Kermit 95's mouse features, you can bypass them by using the Windows editing buttons on the Toolbar. > The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark > something, and I can easily paste it into another window. I only read > the book once, so I can't remember how to paste into the Kermit window. > It's in there. Granted it might not be totally intuitive, but once you learn it, it becomes very handy: Hold down the Ctrl key, use mouse button 1 to select the desired text, release button 1. The selected text is transmitted. If you select without holding down the Ctrl key, the text goes to the Windows Clipboard. Then you can still paste the selected text with Shift-Insert, as in other Windows apps. If you don't happen to like these particular physical mechanisms, you can change them. Kermit 95's mouse actions are fully remappable to any mouse buttons -- or keys! -- and any combination of mouse buttons or keys with Ctrl, Alt, or Shift. > But there is no mouse pointer. I have to guess where it is. Actually, > I just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I > want to start, then let go, and begin a mark again. Tacky as hell, but > then this is K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it. > I'm not sure what you mean here -- The Windows mouse pointer is fully operative and in evidence. The only difference between Kermit marking and Windows marking is the shape and coloration of the selected text: Kermit 95's built-in selection mechanism strips trailing blanks, rather than the Windows style "select a rectangle and fill empty spaces with blanks". The Kermit way turns out to be more useful in a communications setting, but you don't have to use it if you don't want to -- just use the Mark, Copy, and Paste buttons on the toolbar. > I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95, > doesn't count as "activity" to Winsock. I got a box indicating that my > line had been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect? This > happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't > interface properly with Winsock. Usage does seem to update the count of > characters in the little modem box in the task bar. > > Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug. Certainly not the fault > of Kermit. > Not necessarily a bug in Windows 95 or anywhere. TCP/IP in general, and Winsock in particular, do not have any special low-level "keep alive" mechanism. The only way to tell if a connection is alive is for the application itself to send or read data. But it's not necessarily the place of a terminal program to do this automatically on your behalf. Perhaps there is some setting in the Windows 95 Registry you can change to eliminate the warning box, or adjust the trigger to a time interval that you like better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:27:05 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29885 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Failure to initialize Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4bnc04$40r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu>, wrote: : I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit : right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once : before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. : : C-Kermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK" : (I assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization : string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the : modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem : on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the : second? : It sounds as if the modem, upon being hung up, is reverting to some different state. Many types of modems have options to do this, which are often governed by a command such as &Cx. When dialing, Kermit hangs up the modem for you automatically prior to dialing to ensure that (a) it can dial, and (b) that the modem is in command mode. But practically everything that one does in data communications is risky. Thus, Kermit has dozens and dozens of commands that let you tailor it to nearly every conceivable set of circumstances. Hence the big thick manual -- to explain all these commands and why they are needed. Try the following: SET MODEM HAYES SET DIAL INIT ATQ0W1&D2S95=47X4S37=11&K3S82=128&Q5S36=7S46=138S38=1\13 SET PORT COM4 SET SPEED 57600 SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF SET FLOW RTS/CTS SET DIAL DISPLAY ON ; <-- watch the modem dialog SET DIAL HANGUP OFF ; <-- don't hang up as part of the dialing process and then DIAL a number. If that works, fine. If not, get back to us with specifics about what happens in the modem dialog and we can take it from there. : Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm : packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare : combination in '95. : Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:36:16 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00336 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04331 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Message-ID: <1995Dec25.154622.69999@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Dec 95 15:46:22 MDT References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: > : : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I > : : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC > : : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my > : : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan > : : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to > : : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. > : : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then > : : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. > : : > : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running > : : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I > : : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... > : : > : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the > : NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? > > : Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on > : the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to > : make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" > : communications path. > > : - Frank > Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc > numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so > LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, > then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This > doesn't work either. :-( > > What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP > tcp/ip stack. Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? --------- First, to avoid endless exchanges how about publishing your net.cfg file and the commands you use to load the components? I will guess you have not properly filled in the Protocol IP etc phrases in the link driver section. Second, Telapi.exe is a Novell program providing Telnet access on top of their LWP/DOS TCP/IP stack. It is an item shipped with (and priced as part of) LWP/DOS. Thus it is not available from third parties. Third, for the Nth time (readers please do take note) Windows TCP/IP stacks are for only that: pure Windows programs. That's the winsock part of things. No pure Windows comms program then no comms that way. Kind of restrictive if you don't run Windows all the time. In addition, no two or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the same comms board, please. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:37:07 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00381 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:37:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet. Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:37:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4bncj0$47g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, Lee Clarke wrote: >I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it. >I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it >set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to >the client? thanks. > Kermit 95 is a Telnet client, not a Telnet server. There are numerous postings on the Windows NT newsgroups about where to get Telnet servers for NT -- and also asking where to get them for Windows 95. A Telnet server is strictly Text mode -- as is a Telnet client. If you want a graphical image of the Windows NT GUI screen, and you want to be able to use your mouse and local keyboard to affect the remote NT system as if you were using the built-in ones, that is not a job for Telnet, which is a platform-independent protocol for establishing interactive TERMINAL connections. Rather, it's a job for specialized platform-and-hardware dependent "screen scraping" software. I personally do not keep up with this market and cannot recommend anything, so you're best off posting a query to the appropriate Windows NT newsgroups if that is what you need. However, this does not mean that Kermit 95 is not without its uses in this situation. A Kermit 95 server can be set up on a Windows NT or Windows 95 system to listen for incoming connections on any desired socket from a Kermit Telnet client (such as Kermit 95, MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, etc). Once the connection is made, all the client/server features of the Kermit protocol can be used: uploading, downloading, directory listings, exchange of variables, file management, etc etc, with various degrees of security built in. The same type of arrangement can be made to accept incoming modem calls. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 19:09:04 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01578 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 19:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 19:09:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line Date: 26 Dec 1995 00:08:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-ID: <4bneeq$51r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu>, Wayne Buttles wrote: : I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen : telnet sessions under Win95. I can't for the life of me, however, : figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the : screen. I really need a 25 char high window since I am running : remote dos sessions via telnet. : Alas, that is one thing you can't do. Theoretically, you should be able to choose any number of lines at all, within reason. If you could choose 26 lines, then you'd have a 25-line terminal screen plus the status line. The Windows-32 API includes a feature to let a console application (such as Kermit 95, for the present) choose the screen dimensions. In Windows NT it works just fine -- any reasonable combination of screen rows and columns is supported, and switching proceeds smoothly. In Windows 95, however, this only works for a very short list of screen lengths, and only for one screen width (80). The Windows 95 bug is documented in the BUGS.DOC file. The symptom is that if you attempt to set a non-kosher screen height or width, such as (in your case, 26x80), then the instant Kermit tries to set any of the character-cell attributes (color, brightness, etc) within such a window, a General Protection Fault results. To work around this bug, Kermit 95 (in Windows 95 only, not in Windows NT) does not set any attributes in such screens. Hence (for example) the odd appearance of 132-column screens in Windows 95 (but not in Windows NT). So, for example, you can (and I just did): set terminal height 25 ; Note: this does not include the status line connect and get a 25-line screen (plus a status line). But (in my case at least) the screen is all black and white. The other problem is that, having set an "odd" screen size, you can't run the application in full screen mode. Alt-Enter causes an alert box to pop up. And finally (to answer your question), there is presently no way to disable the status line. When the full GUI version of Kermit 95 is released, we will be freed from the limitations and bugs of console mode and you will be able to select any screen dimensions (and font size, etc) you want. Which brings us back to your opening sentence: : : I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen : telnet sessions under Win95. : When you say "full screen telnet session", are you specifically referring to console-mode sessions such as the one Kermit 95 gives you now? If Kermit 95 were a GUI application, rather than a console application, would that adversely affect your requirement for a full-screen telnet session, assuming (of course) that the GUI terminal window could be maximized? : Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page : up/down send the proper commands? I think I can figure out how to : remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great. : You can do either one or both. It's all in the manual. But when you say "page up/down send the proper commands", what do you think the proper commands are? I'm beginning to think that what you are really looking for is "PCTERM" emulation. Kermit 95 does not include that, and is not advertised as including it. It's on our list -- along with many other things -- for future enhancements. : I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with : shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that : would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work : around. : As noted, you can map any key or key combination to send anything you want it to send. But if you are looking for keys to send "make-break" (up/down) codes, that's another story. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 00:03:14 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11079 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 00:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 00:03:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!cabal From: cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: 26 Dec 1995 04:25:18 GMT Organization: Citadel Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4bntfe$i2q@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Reply-To: lotu@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac4.wam.umd.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.4) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4378 comp.mail.misc:26011 comp.mail.sendmail:25633 In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote: >Hi all, > > We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything > set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box > at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the > internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if > response warrants. Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead. I still haven't figure out how to get email working on my Linux box yet. Anyhow ... This is just an idea. You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS account. SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link from a UNIX shell! Real handy. There are some limitations, but I haven't run into any major ones yet. Might be worth a try. You can obtain a copy from sunsite. -- ============================================================================== Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. Sophmore, Computer Science Major at the University of Maryland at College Park Send all replies to: lotu@wam.umd.edu email: lotu@wam.umd.edu www: "Save the whales .... collect the whole set!" ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 14:44:13 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20755 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:44:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pdn.eng.paradyne.com!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:53:12 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Summary: Keywords: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either machine? If so, any help would be appreciated. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 16:31:19 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25678 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:31:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Date: 26 Dec 1995 21:31:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4bppj1$fag@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: > If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both > have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either > machine? If so, any help would be appreciated. > Yes. Assuming you are using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) (the current version of C-Kermit for OS/2), you can tell it to wait for a connection and then go into server mode. Then you can Telnet to it from any other Kermit program (such as C-Kermit on your other OS/2 system) and give SEND, GET, REMOTE xxx, BYE, and FINISH commands to transfer and manage files. To tell OS/2 C-Kermit to wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, do something like this: C-Kermit> define listen set host * 3000, if success server C-Kermit> listen "3000" is the TCP port to listen on. If you leave this out, the default Telnet port (23) is used. If you want to allow multiple consecutive server sessions, do it like this: C-Kermit> define listen :xx, set host * 3000, if success server, goto xx C-Kermit> listen Then the client Kermit program would make the connection like this: C-Kermit> set host foo.bar.net 3000 (where "foo.bar.net" is the IP hostname of the PC where the Kermit server is running) and then it would send file-transfer and management commands to the server, as described in Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit", which also describes various security-related settings you can establish on the server prior to listening for incoming connections. More information about OS/2 C-Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 18:07:42 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09047 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:07:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!usenet From: csi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS to PC file transfer Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:44:04 -0500 Organization: CSI Lines: 6 Message-ID: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-ppp-ttyc1.remote.ntplx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it works would be greatly appreciated. Rich Marcia From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 18:22:54 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09671 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15672 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:22:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Date: 27 Dec 1995 23:22:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4bskg4$f93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi wrote: >We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the >Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. > It does indeed. >Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it >works would be greatly appreciated. > The best place to start is the Kermit Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't have Web access. Or write to: Kermit Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:07:38 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17369 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26916 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:07:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ns3.iamerica.net!usenet From: mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 03:51:15 GMT Organization: LDS iAmerica Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ias_ppp0110.iamerica.net I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call or E-mail to get information, please advise me . Thanks From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:23:03 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17813 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:23:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hplabs!hplntx!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ns3.iamerica.net!usenet From: mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 04:10:24 GMT Organization: LDS iAmerica Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bsuhb$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ias_ppp0110.iamerica.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call or E-mail to get information, please advise me . Thanks From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:52:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18648 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.tulane.edu!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ? Date: 28 Dec 1995 03:22:07 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hallo, i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270 sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to? The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works, but once in I have to wait for a minute whenever I get the More ... message at the end of the full screen, since I haven't found the Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the numeric key pad Enter, but to do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb. Any help is greatly appreciated! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:52:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18647 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28818 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.tulane.edu!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 28 Dec 1995 03:27:24 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] On a, as I assume, similar note: Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) possible? Cheers, and Happy New Year! Stefan Evan Champion (evanc@synapse.net) wrote: : Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open : multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It : is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to : each site in the list. : Evan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 23:27:58 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19788 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA00368 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:27:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Message-ID: <1995Dec27.210152.70074@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Dec 95 21:01:52 MDT References: <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net>, mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) writes: > I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it > works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a > regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in > TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the > original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to > increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor > the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The > people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external > protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, > or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call > or E-mail to get information, please advise me . > Thanks ----------- MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is what you want. Please use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, obtain binary file msvibm.zip. That's the quick-start kit. Instructions are included. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 00:21:18 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22137 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 00:21:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ! Date: 28 Dec 1995 05:02:18 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 88 Message-ID: <4bt8cq$bb6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: > i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was >wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270 >sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to? >The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login Stefan: Kermit doesn't directly emluate 3270s, so there are no kverbs corresponding to 3270-specific actions. As the handbook states on p292, the connection goes through a "protocol converter" which maps actions you do on your (emulated) ASCII terminal to the appropriate 3270 data stream, and vice versa. I usually emulate a vt220, and use a protocol converter named HCON, which expects ESC for Clear. Other popular choices are ^L, ^Z, ^C and even BS (!). You will need to get documentation for your protocol converter, see what it expects, and develop a script which maps them to the keys you with to press. This is sufficiently complicated that some companies pay me substantial sums to do it for them. As an example, I'm including my vt3270.ini file, which works for MY protocol converter. It won't work for yours, but may give you ideas. ; File: vt3270.220 ; ; The following are the default anyway, corresponding to the startup states ; of the DEC cursor and auxilliary keypads. set terminal arrow-keys cursor ; Arrow keys are in cursor mode by default set terminal keypad-mode numeric ; DEC keypad in numeric mode by default ; Scan Definition IBM PC Key IBM Key Group ; set key \315 \Kgold ; PF1 Top Rank F keys set key \316 \Kpf2 ; PF2 Top Rank F keys set key \317 \Kpf3 ; PF3 Top Rank F keys set key \318 \Kpf4 ; PF4 Top Rank F keys ; DEC Cursor keys ; set key \584 \KupArr ; Up Arrow Up Arrow Cursor keypad set key \592 \KdnArr ; Down Arrow Down Arrow Cursor keypad set key \589 \KrtArr ; Right Arrow Right Arrow Cursor keypad set key \587 \KlfArr ; Left Arrow Left Arrow Cursor keypad ; Make F Keys what hcon expects for vt220 ; set key \319 \027Ou ; PF5 Top Rank F keys set key \320 \027[17~ ; PF6 Top Rank F keys set key \321 \027[18~ ; PF7 Top Rank F keys set key \322 \027[19~ ; PF8 Top Rank F keys set key \323 \027[20~ ; PF9 Top Rank F keys set key \324 \027[21~ ; PF10 Top Rank F keys set key \389 \027[23~ ; PF11 Top Rank F keys set key \390 \027[24~ ; PF12 Top Rank F keys ; Make ALT-F Keys PA Keys ; set key \360 \KdecRemove ; PA1 ALT Top Rank F keys set key \361 \KdecNext ; PA2 ALT Top Rank F keys ; Set up the gray ins-pgdn keys ; set key \594 \KdecFind ; Ins gray insert key set key \585 \027[18~ ; PF7 gray PgUp key set key \644 \kupscn ; upscan ctl PgUp key set key \593 \027[19~ ; PF8 gray PgDn key set key \630 \kdnscn ; downscan ctl PgDn key set key \591 \kdecPrev ; erase EOF gray End key set key \629 \kendscn ; endscan ctl End key set key \583 \KdecInsert ; Home gray Home key set key \631 \khomscn ; Homescan ctl Home key ;Set keypad enter to new line set key \525 \014 It's hacked from ckovtk2.ini. It doesn't mention Clear, because Kermit by default sends ESC for ESC, so that doesn't need changing. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 11:59:57 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28316 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:59:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ? Date: 28 Dec 1995 16:59:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4buie3$gug@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : I was wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed : for 3270 sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it : defaults to? The handbook does offer an automated login script which : can b used to login to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works, : but once in I have to wait for a minute whenever I get the More : ... message at the end of the full screen, since I haven't found the : Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the numeric key pad Enter, but to : do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb. : A good place to look for this kind of information is in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt This question is covered in item 8. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 12:04:29 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28717 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 28 Dec 1995 17:04:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: > Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection > in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet > ... Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet. C-Kermit *is* Telnet. The Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to OS/2 TCP/IP. > (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load > of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather > open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is > possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new > session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) > possible? > Long question, short answer: no. This would be a substantial amount of work for almost imperceptible gain. If you want to hot-key around amongst sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the moment). And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions. In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 23:21:20 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11397 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA16946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:21:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Message-ID: <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 95 11:44:38 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 In article <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, > Deutscher wrote: >> Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection >> in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet >> ... > Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet. C-Kermit *is* Telnet. The > Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to > OS/2 TCP/IP. > >> (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load >> of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather >> open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is >> possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new >> session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) >> possible? >> > Long question, short answer: no. This would be a substantial amount of > work for almost imperceptible gain. If you want to hot-key around amongst > sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or > Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the > moment). And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions. > > In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite > a few priorities that are considerably higher. > > - Frank ---------- Adding another comment on this often asked question. If Kermit were to provide multiple Telnet sessions within itself then it would need to keep a rather large amount of state and buffer information for each session. I do just that in MS-DOS Kermit; the mechanism itself is neither small nor simple. But MSK has no choice, being a DOS program. As Frank says, "it could be done but why bother" when an existing OS/2 systems level mechanism (ALT-ESC, warm furries) does much the same job. Also, as soon as that mechanism exists then someone pops up and wants to panel their screen with sessions. Do you see the problem here with multiple Kermit internal Telnet sessions? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 23:37:24 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12529 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:37:20 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank@pressroom.com (Fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank))) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ansouth.net!news.cais.net!pressroom.com Message-ID: <00017805012A77EC@pressroom.com> Date: 27 Dec 95 17:22:44 Lines: 36 Path: news.cais.net!news.structured.net!news.tbcnet.com!pagesat.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!newsrelay.netins.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Date: 27 Dec 1995 23:22:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4bskg4$f93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi wrote: >We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the >Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. > It does indeed. >Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it >works would be greatly appreciated. > The best place to start is the Kermit Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't have Web access. Or write to: Kermit Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 07:03:57 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27497 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 07:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 07:03:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 29 Dec 1995 11:53:04 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but # there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially stopped? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 11:45:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09852 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29084 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!pravda.aa.msen.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!igd.fhg.de!usenet From: "Ralf Konrad (R. Ziegler)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Specification of the Z-Modem Protocol Date: 29 Dec 1995 14:55:20 GMT Organization: Organization: Haus der Graphischen Datenverarbeitung, 64283 Darmstadt Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ananas.igd.fhg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) To: konrad@igd.fhg.de X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Hello, i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol. Please mail me any information if you have. Thanks Ralf Konrad -- ============================================================ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Harald Jung _/ _/ _/ Fraunhofer Institut f"ur _/_/_/_/ _/ Graphische Datenverarbeitung, IGD _/ _/ _/ _/ 64283 Darmstadt, Deutschland _/ _/ _/_/ Email: hjung@igd.fhd.de ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 11:46:49 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09930 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:46:41 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: manipulation of input buffer Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 15:29:59 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: wpfulmor@netcom5.netcom.com re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9 I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then extract and act on the contents. The INPUT command yields a STATUS of SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail. echo \v(input) displays only the fist line of text. \fsubstr, \flength etc etc work on only the first line. I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I conclude the problem must be due to operator error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. Bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 13:48:42 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19700 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:48:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: manipulation of input buffer Message-ID: <1995Dec29.100610.70151@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 10:06:10 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9 > > I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then > extract and act on the contents. The INPUT command yields a STATUS of > SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the > transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, > or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail. echo > \v(input) displays only the fist line of text. \fsubstr, \flength etc > etc work on only the first line. > > I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I > conclude the problem must be due to operator error. What am I doing > wrong? Thanks. ------------- It's not supported is the proper answer. I would recommend you deal with small pieces of the incoming stream by a succsssion of INPUT statements, and retain each line of interest to a variable as you go. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 13:49:26 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19769 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05206 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:49:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1995Dec29.100838.70152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 10:08:38 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da > Cruz) wrote: > > # In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but > # there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. > > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or > has development on that platform essentially stopped? ----------- I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 17:10:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05122 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA15936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: KMays@msn.com (Kenneth Mays) Subject: RE: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: 29 Dec 95 20:11:12 -0800 References: <4bsuhb$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> Message-ID: <00001b56+000005ec@msn.com> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.netins.net!newsrelay.netins.net!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.msn.com!msn.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Lines: 4 The best way is to contact Columbia University's Kermit distribution system. The current MSKermit I know of is MSKermit V3.14. I have it for the IBM PC. Any notes can be sent to lafreezer@aol.com. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 17:34:44 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06886 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17140 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:34:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 29 Dec 1995 20:52:38 GMT Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.100838.70152@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve # > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially # > stopped? # ----------- # I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what # curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have read the .bwr). I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when logging out of a TCP session. A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and starts a download hands-off). Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input buffer. I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more than one line. It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port speed, but not the parity. I have one system I call that uses 7o1 (yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to Kermit. Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), it seems that Kermit should be able to read it. By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three suggestions above. I could probably think of more if you're interested. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 21:28:44 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21763 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 21:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA28154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 21:28:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 17:33:01 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 108 In article <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve > # > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially > # > stopped? > # ----------- > # I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what > # curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? That's quite a wish-list David, and a couple days after the official due-date! But let me add a few comments on the items as we talk here on News. > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing > the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have > read the .bwr). I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably competant full screen editor to match. That's quite a bit of code, and any editor would have to work by shutting off comms so that screen and keys remain strictly local. Also the scroll back buffer normally lives above 1MB, in expanded memory. That means the editor needs spill buffers up there too to handle the large rollback buffers permitted by MSK. I think its easy to see that this can get out of hand. The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when > logging out of a TCP session. It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual attributes are available. It is available when a new session is started, or when we rollback during another session. > A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of > user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic > ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a > winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and > starts a download hands-off). We've thought about these too. It might help to understand how matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer bytes entering the terminal emulator, do not act on them, and do parsing of the accumulated stream as each byte arrives. MSK does this for host-triggered printing, and for the APC command. Those commands are well structured, short, and unambiguous (not overlapping any other acceptable commands). So, accumulation/constant reparsing without display and hence bursty screen updates (if any sometimes) turns out to be not what people would accept, nor would I for that matter. We put a lot of thought into the security side too. Whatever happens must be safe and under control of the user; no launch and forget strategy. That means we don't launch external programs based on arbitrary strings arriving. Not only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not be what the user can live with. > Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input > buffer. I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP > line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network > docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more > than one line. As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT statements can gather a succession of "lines", so that facility exists now. > It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command > prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back > into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material does go into the session log. > Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port > speed, but not the parity. I have one system I call that uses 7o1 > (yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in > Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to > Kermit. Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), > it seems that Kermit should be able to read it. ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing parity, if that would really do a lot of good. > By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather > than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three > suggestions above. > > I could probably think of more if you're interested. Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions are possible to include in the programs. > David Johns Thanks David, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 11:06:32 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21067 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!neoucom.edu!neoucom.edu!redpoll!cyberspam!spewcancel!red Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank@pressroom.com (Fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank))) Subject: cancel: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Control: cancel <00017805012A77EC@pressroom.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 15:45:21 GMT X-Canceled-By: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Lines: 1 Mopping up spew from broken gateway at pressroom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 17:19:31 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07376 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:19:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 30 Dec 1995 18:45:59 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4c41d7$ata@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more important things, and when you say it wouldn't be an easy one to implement, then I know and happily accept that. The argument with different terminal sizes for different hotkeyed sessions is quite convincing, too. So -- never mind. Happy New Year, and thanks for having taken the time to reply! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 19:21:33 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15107 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 19:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA22292 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 19:21:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 30 Dec 1995 20:36:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4c47se$phm@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> <4c41d7$ata@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Deutscher (sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu) wrote: : In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A : GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more The original query had to do with multiple connections from K-95. I only have one host where I would like multiple connections, and the "clone" button in the K-95 dialer allowed very quick work of making the multiples, even if I were only going to use it one time. I found K-95 difficult to install up to a moderately working state, but it is so incredibly flexible. As I'm hacking scripts to automate some work at my telephone company, and I realize the disparate systems that I am using, ranging from a 286-running MSDOS 3.3/MSK-3.14, acting as a 1/2" tape reader/kermit server, through Win-95,/K-95; UnixWare, ESIX, an Octel Voice Mail system, DEX-600 and Stromberg Telephone switches. I have tried other comm programs, but!!! I can prototype and "program" scripts anywhere. I run awk against data sets on the UNIX boxes to create .tak files that can then be run from either of the UNIX platforms, or one of the techs can run them from home under MSKermit without modification. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 23:57:48 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03062 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA28578 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:57:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!news.cais.net!wvnvms!marshall.edu!marshall.edu!haught5 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Message-ID: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> From: haught5@muvms6.wvnet.edu Date: 25 Dec 95 03:03:55 EDT Organization: Marshall University Nntp-Posting-Host: muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu Lines: 9 Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 & C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to CP437" instead of as "Binary". I've set both sides to binary but it still goes back to text. Is their any way to force Kermit to send then as binary? Krista Haught haught5@muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 31 11:00:21 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24460 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA26759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:00:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Date: 31 Dec 1995 16:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6>, wrote: >Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 & >C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to >CP437" instead of as "Binary". I've set both sides to binary but it >still goes back to text. Is their any way to force Kermit to send then >as binary? > You didn't say which direction you are sending the ZIP files, but let me guess: it's from the VAX to the PC. To answer your question: yes. Tell VMS C-Kermit to "set file type image". I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the explanation for it) to our FAQ if it were not already documented clearly and prominently in the VMS Appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on page 412 (just look up "ZIP" in the index). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 1 11:42:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08437 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13824 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Date: 1 Jan 1996 13:33:55 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4c8ns3$n6u@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: [RE: VAX/VMS and ZIP files] # I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the # explanation for it) to our FAQ if it were not already # documented clearly and prominently in the VMS Appendix of the # C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on page 412 # (just look up "ZIP" in the index). Ummm, Frank, it *is* in the MS-DOS Kermit FAQ (item 10). And I hope you'll continue to put C-Kermit problems in the MS-Kermit docs, since most of us can't find an intelligent life form at the other end of the dial-ups we use. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 2 00:05:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26670 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12531 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:05:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pagesat.net!aldus.northnet.org!usenet From: agreene@northnet.org (Anthony E. Greene) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 04:50:05 GMT Organization: NorthNet Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4cadhl$eld@aldus.northnet.org> References: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> <4bntfe$i2q@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: agreene@northnet.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-2.canton.northnet.org X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4406 comp.mail.misc:26076 comp.mail.sendmail:25802 cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) wrote: >In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote: >>Hi all, >> >> We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything >> set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box >> at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the >> internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if >> response warrants. > Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead. I still haven't figure out how >to get email working on my Linux box yet. Anyhow ... > This is just an idea. You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS >account. SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link >from a UNIX shell! Real handy. There are some limitations, but I haven't >run into any major ones yet. Might be worth a try. You can obtain a copy >from sunsite. I have used a program called NUpop. It can use SLIP, direct network, or serial dialup to access a POP server. If you have a POP server, you may want to try NUpop at ftp://ftp.acns.nwu.edu/pub/nupop/ Anthony E. Greene Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association http://www3.servtech.com/americal/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 2 05:15:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18122 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 05:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 05:14:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.uni-mainz.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!igd.fhg.de!usenet From: "Ralf Konrad (R. Ziegler)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Specification of the Z-Modem Protocol Date: 2 Jan 1996 08:56:13 GMT Organization: Organization: Haus der Graphischen Datenverarbeitung, 64283 Darmstadt Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4carvd$nog@korfu.igd.fhg.de> References: <4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ananas.igd.fhg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) To: konrad@igd.fhd.de X-URL: news:4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de Hello, i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol. Please mail me any information if you have. Thanks Ralf Konrad -- ============================================================ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Ralf Konrad _/ _/ _/ Fraunhofer Institut f"ur _/_/_/_/ _/ Graphische Datenverarbeitung, IGD _/ _/ _/ _/ 64283 Darmstadt, Deutschland _/ _/ _/_/ Email: konrad@igd.fhd.de ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 00:31:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15997 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:31:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!crl.dec.com!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 01:41:40 GMT Lines: 109 Message-ID: <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the # > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while # > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log # > (and yes, I have read the .bwr). # # I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably # competant full screen editor to match. Heavens, no. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I've never heard of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking for copy very useful. # The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to # us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and # no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse # video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than # glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated # semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus # what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text, even if it came through as vtxxx. I can see some value to being able to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen manipulation. But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain text log. > A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of > user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic > ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a > winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and > starts a download hands-off). # We've thought about these too. It might help to # understand how matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer # bytes entering the terminal emulator, do not act on them, and # do parsing of the accumulated stream as each byte arrives. MSK # does this for host-triggered printing, and for the APC # command. Those commands are well structured, short, and # unambiguous (not overlapping any other acceptable commands). # So, accumulation/constant reparsing without display and hence # bursty screen updates (if any sometimes) turns out to be not # what people would accept, nor would I for that matter. Well, Commo has them, and I've never noticed any burstiness. # We put a lot of thought into the security side too. # Whatever happens must be safe and under control of the user; # no launch and forget strategy. That means we don't launch # external programs based on arbitrary strings arriving. Not # only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather # like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not # be what the user can live with. A moment of levity is due. I didn't think of that when I wrote that I have Commo set to recognize KERMIT*READY*TO*SEND, and as a consequence, when I tried to read your answer, which quoted the above line (without the *'s, of course), I'd find myself in Kermit with errors accumulating. I'd exit and Commo would apparently rewrite the screen, throwing me into Kermit again, and again, and again. And Commo had called KERLITE.EXE, so I couldn't just continue the session in the Kermit emulator. But still, I say let the user beware. If the strings are user-selectable, then he doesn't have to turn them on in situations where there might be danger. # As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT # statements can gather a succession of "lines", so that # facility [access to the input buffer] exists now. Yes, I understand now. > It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command > prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back > into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material does go into the session log. # ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. # Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to # differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is # highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 # etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically # determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it # with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing # parity, if that would really do a lot of good. Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the one I have to deal with. It was apparently installed and abandoned under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know. But while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the emulator won't. Most people who tried this system had given up because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until I stumbled upon the problem. No, it's probably not worth changing now. I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of the comm port, why not all of them? # Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions # are possible to include in the programs. Glad to hear it. What's the best place to deliver them? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 03:22:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28524 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27850 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:22:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 96 20:09:56 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 105 In article <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > # > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the > # > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while > # > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log > # > (and yes, I have read the .bwr). > # > # I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably > # competant full screen editor to match. > > Heavens, no. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I've never heard > of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking > for copy very useful. Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the operation. The other is where to put the cut material and what happens to material into whose midst the information goes. And undoing actions, and spiffing up items, plus the inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel sniffing the canvas apparatus. I'm not stonewalling, really, but I've been along paths of this kind many times. > # The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to > # us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and > # no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse > # video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than > # glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated > # semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus > # what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. > > But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text, > even if it came through as vtxxx. I can see some value to being able > to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen > manipulation. But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain > text log. Have you considered this approach (which is a designed-in capability): SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when wishing to capture material press CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN on the status line meaning printing is active, press again to toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file msvibm.vt): Control-PrtSc PRTSCN Toggle on/off copying of received text to printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode line when activated. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). > # ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. > # Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to > # differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is > # highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 > # etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically > # determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it > # with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing > # parity, if that would really do a lot of good. > > Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the > one I have to deal with. It was apparently installed and abandoned > under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line > was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know. But > while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the > emulator won't. Most people who tried this system had given up > because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until > I stumbled upon the problem. No, it's probably not worth changing > now. I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of > the comm port, why not all of them? Because parity on serial ports is worthless, in my opinon, and it is often the source of user confusion as you have just indicated. > # Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions > # are possible to include in the programs. > > Glad to hear it. What's the best place to deliver them? You can try right here, where other readers can comment too. Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But let's not make a large production over each item because there are already too few hours in each day. Joe D. > David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 08:40:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26383 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 11:07:39 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip222.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi, having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes. BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented bugs. Any help will be appreciated TIA Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 09:19:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29262 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21653 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:19:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!jpmorgan.com!usenet From: rmcmanus@simba2 (Russ McManus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: debugging a serial connection Date: 03 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0500 Organization: J.P. Morgan Lines: 26 Sender: rmcmanus@simba2 Message-ID: Reply-To: rmcmanus@jpmorgan.com NNTP-Posting-Host: simba2.ny.jpmorgan.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading lots of spurious data from the modem. I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish. I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) flow control. I use these same connection parameters to dial into another account I have at work, with no difficulties. I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so now I can see lots of printable gibberish. What should I try next? Do the two modems not agree about the speed of the connection? Should I try sending a 'break'? How does one debug such a problem? thanks for any suggestions, russ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 09:40:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01314 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:40:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 11:40:22 GMT Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4cdpv6$a02@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the # operation. I must be missing something here, since it seems to me that you're making things much more complicated than they are. # The other is where to put the cut material You put it in a file, like a screen dump. It's more functional than a screen dump, though, because you copy only what you want to and don't have duplicated lines if you don't get the screen aligned properly. # and what happens to material into whose midst the information # goes. It's appended. # And undoing actions, and spiffing up items, plus the # inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel # sniffing the canvas apparatus. I'm not stonewalling, really, # but I've been along paths of this kind many times. I don't know why you'd want all this stuff. Once it's copied to a file, it's no longer Kermit's responsibility. The buffer is never changed. # Have you considered this approach (which is a # designed-in capability): SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when # wishing to capture material press CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN # on the status line meaning printing is active, press again to # toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent # printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file # msvibm.vt): I don't completely follow this, but I don't want the printing (to file) controlled from the host. I think I did stumble on this solution once before, but gave up on it because I couldn't automate it -- there seemed to be no way to give the ctrl-printscreen command from a script. This led me to conclude (rightly or wrongly -- and long before I discovered this group) that you could always assign macros to keys, but there were built-in key verbs that couldn't be used as script commands. If I'm right, that's another item for my wish list :-). # You can try right here, where other readers can comment # too. Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But # let's not make a large production over each item because there # are already too few hours in each day. Feel free to ignore my suggestions -- most people do :-). On the other hand, I think it's obvious to most software users that the designers are far too remote from the everyday application of their product, and I'm amazed and impressed that you and Frank monitor a group like this on a daily basis. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 12:00:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16102 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:00:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2 Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:00:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4cecnv$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I. Thalmann wrote: >having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch >w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a >new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes. > >BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented >bugs. > This is a puzzler. Evidently some (but not all) people had some trouble after patching from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2, for reasons as yet unknown. Try reinstalling from the original diskettes and then applying to 1.1.0-to-1.1.2 patch. If that doesn't work, send email straight to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll get it fixed for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 12:07:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16797 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: debugging a serial connection Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:07:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4ced4b$ma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Russ McManus wrote: : I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in : to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading : lots of spurious data from the modem. : : I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed : with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish. : : I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, : which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) : flow control. : What about error correction? : I use these same connection parameters to dial into another : account I have at work, with no difficulties. : : I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging : connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so : now I can see lots of printable gibberish. : : What should I try next? Do the two modems not agree about : the speed of the connection? Should I try sending a 'break'? : How does one debug such a problem? : Gibberish is generally caused by one or more of the following: 1. Line noise 2. A lack of effective flow control 3. Parity mismatch Line noise would appear if your particular connection is noisy (e.g. telephone company problem) and if the two modems have not negotiated an error correction protocol. Effective flow control requires the cooperation of: 1. The Kermit software on your PC (set flow rts/cts). 2. The underlying Linux comm port driver. 3. Your modem (did you give it the command to enable RTS/CTS?). 4. The modem on the other end. 5. The thing that the modem on the other end is connected to. To check for a parity mismatch, try telling Kermit to "set parity space" and see if the garbage goes away. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 14:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04365 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA09809 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:50:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: debugging a serial connection Date: 03 Jan 1996 12:37:28 -0500 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 33 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: rmcmanus@simba2's message of 03 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0500 X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.13 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RM" == Russ McManus writes: RM> I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, which are RM> 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) flow control. Do you have a 16550 UART, or an older chip like the 8250? If you have an 8250 then anything higher than a 9600 baud base connect speed will be problematical at best and unusable at worst. MSD (in your DOS or Windows directories if you have them) will tell you what you have for a serial controller. If you have an 8250 you should look into upgrading the chip itself or the serial boad (they're cheap). BTW, you need to fix this: From: rmcmanus@simba2 (Russ McManus) "simba2" is not a fully qualified domain name, which is what should appear in the From: header. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMOq+xp6VRH7BJMxHAQFzgQP/Yna7z6ndAKAKL7zZVTeEEQscAni4FWCi 1HMpzbZcRmU3rRaki5mc3+TQq1iRLE2EXqzpXJ61iX/9MX0p0vPqRu8AKjtcTnpW 6WUtKDZBwdokWnXF1maqobN4Cgqc5EUHSNMWtYSzbOxhhTl1yqCdqzRMa8n0xr07 rHnMHJnr1AE= =5MG2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Climb your way to the top; that's why the \ drapes are there. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 17:28:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22385 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:28:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 19:11:18 GMT Lines: 59 Message-ID: <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer # > when logging out of a TCP session. # # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual # attributes are available. It is available when a new session # is started, or when we rollback during another session. I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new A material was visible on B. So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets added. Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login prompt. All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design intentionally. David Johns # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer # > when logging out of a TCP session. # # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual # attributes are available. It is available when a new session # is started, or when we rollback during another session. I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new A material was visible on B. So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets added. Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login prompt. All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design intentionally. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 17:44:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23870 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19349 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows95/Kermit95 tidbits Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 20:55:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 88 Message-ID: <30eadd0d.64335381@128.230.1.4> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial-79.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:81929 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4417 Here's a couple of tidbits I'd like to share with other Kermit95 users. They are: A. Gaining greater control over terminal window appearance B. Getting things to happen automatically A. You can gain considerable control over the appearance of K95's terminal window (as much as you have over a DOS box) and not sacrifice a bit of Kermit's excellent terminal emulation. 1. Copy c:\windows\dosprmpt.pif to c:\k95\k95.pif. 2. Set k95.pif's "properties" so that it: (i) runs the program k95.exe (ii) has enough environment, 2048 bytes should be sufficient ("Auto" won't work since K95 is a Windows program not a DOS one) Someone suggested also turning off EMS; it's not clear to me that this is necessary (since I don't have EMS). 3. Wherever you would start k95.exe, start k95.pif instead. Unfortunately, the dialer will always start k95.exe, but if you use tidbit B, you can make connections as easily as with the dialer, but without it. The PIF allows you to set things like font, window size, behavior at exit, and so on, as you well know. Also, started in this way, Windows95 will remember the location of the window ... in case you don't like it always starting in the upper-right corner of the desktop. FREEBIE: Starting K95 in this way also cures an unfortunate situation (not Kermit's fault) wherein if an app (say, Netscape, for telnetting) starts K95.exe, Windows does not hand over the keyboard to K95, making for a very uninteresting telnet session. Just start k95.pif instead ... the problem goes away. The appropriate telnet command for Netscape is: k95.pif -c -j Netscape supplies the hostname. B. Making things happen automatically. This is best illustrated by example: I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to "take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections. 1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep" in k95.ini 2. I copied k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to k95\scripts\gamera.ksc (use any extension here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95 thinks they're screensaver files) 3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated with "Open" the action: c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1" [Or use "pif" instead of "exe" if you use tidbit A.] (This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt]; C means execute the Kermit command that follows.) Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I've done this for all my frequent connections (telnet, dialed, and a direct connect via null modem to Linux too) and put shortcuts to each in a folder on my start menu. Now, a few clicks gets me there without messing with the dialer ... convenient! And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe. And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder (with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script". Enjoy! - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 18:38:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28168 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 & wsock Date: 3 Jan 1996 19:29:58 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#4ced4b$ma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection. I get this error mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" . I am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the Trumpet distribution and that seems to work. All the comm aplications that was written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows 95 comm aplications to work. Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 version of thier Winsock ? thanks for the help gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:29:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01843 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:29:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & wsock Date: 4 Jan 1996 00:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4cf71b$o2i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection. I get this error >mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" . I >am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with >somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe > There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would >not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the >Trumpet distribution and that seems to work. All the comm aplications that was >written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows >95 comm aplications to work. Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 >version of thier Winsock ? Kermit-95 is a 32-bit WinSock application and requires the 32-bit DLL. The 32-bit DLL is not part of the current Trumpet distribution and so Windows 95 TCP/IP applications will not work with it. There is a 32-bit Trumpet current in Beta test. But it is not ready for release and is not free for the taking. Kermit-95 from release 1.1.2 on up will work with the upcoming 32-bit Trumpet TCP/IP WinSock stack. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:50:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03412 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:50:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ISDN? Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:00:16 -0800 Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ilab-nx4.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This may be a really dumb question, it's definitely naive. But does Kermit work with ISDN and is it something that one would want to do? I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems. The files that I'm transferring may get a lot bigger and I need to come up with some alternatives. I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, the book, or this newsgroup. If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate it, just don't make the flame too hot. Thanks, Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:58:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04005 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26117 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:58:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ISDN? Date: 4 Jan 1996 00:58:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4cf8nf$pg3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: >This may be a really dumb question, it's >definitely naive. But does Kermit work >with ISDN and is it something that one would >want to do? It depends on how you have your ISDN connection set up. In most cases you will use ISDN as a wire for a TCP/IP connection. In which case Kermit software will work just as it always does over the IP network. The other way to use ISDN is as a digital telephone. In this case you would need to be calling another number that is also an ISDN number. When used in this manner the ISDN drivers will provide a virtual COM port driver. Kermit (or any other communications software) would then talk to the ISDN modem via this virtual COM port. So the answer is 'yes' whichever way you want to do it. Kermit does indeed work with ISDN. Whether you want to do it depends on how much money you have to spend and whether or not it is available in your area. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 20:05:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04641 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA26602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:05:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan3.152704.70413@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 96 15:27:03 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer > # > when logging out of a TCP session. > # > # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in > # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual > # attributes are available. It is available when a new session > # is started, or when we rollback during another session. > > I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and > then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data > from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found > that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then > created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new > A material was visible on B. Something isn't right at your place. This does not happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or off). > So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you > start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets > added. There's no seeding per se. There is only one scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the top then no scrollback information. > Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost > except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering > C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login > prompt. No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. > All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design > intentionally. But I did, and I find it to be productive yet use only reasonable resources. It could be better, but that will cost. Thanks, Joe D. > David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 07:56:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29676 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:55:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!netman1 From: richa@cartermill.com (Mr. Atkinson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Solaris Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 09:29:19 GMT Organization: Cartermill International Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: netman1.lcd.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Hi there, Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ?? Thanks in advance. R.Atkinson From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 11:26:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18771 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA10307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <73172.1615@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using kermit w/ vertex software and PDT-3300 terminal Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:57:23 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad36-167.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: vertex X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 3.10.08.25 i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable terminal. earlier in the summer when performing some initial testing i found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected. presently, when i transmit a file that already exists it is just overwriting the file. i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING ON. i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already existed would be renamed to a new file. but...this is not occurring. can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong? thanks in advance... From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 13:58:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04903 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 4 Jan 1996 18:40:33 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Jan3.152704.70413@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # Something isn't right at your place. This does not # happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup # screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the # scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given # a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if # the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or # off). # # [...] # # There's no seeding per se. There is only one # scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are # lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the # top then no scrollback information. # # [...] # # No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen # vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. Oops! It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen in a serial connection. When I generated data beyond the first screen, it worked right. I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here. The only "logical" design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc. And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each session is a separate process. But I can see that multiple sessions under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements. Never mind! :-) David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 15:27:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12912 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA23335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:27:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@sn.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:15:58 +0100 Organization: SN Internett Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: sinsen.sn.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received on the current connection ? The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to our customer via X.25. Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine. We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the work involved). The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data was sent/received. If it would be possible to get that information from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in a log file. Thanks Steinthor Bjarnason CBA A/S Oslo, Norway -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 18:21:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28776 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02072 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:20:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and comit Date: 4 Jan 1996 22:39:36 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose "Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions via email. Thank you for your time. ========================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov email: ibelooze@runet.edu, finger: ibelooze@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu PGP key is available by finger or at http://www.cs.runet.edu/~ibelooze This message is sponsored by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 20:02:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06248 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07248 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 4 Jan 1996 18:54:11 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4chpb3$sj1@panix.com> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: >Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received >on the current connection ? You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the size of the log file. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 22:52:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17403 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:52:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan4.162327.70510@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 96 16:23:27 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # Something isn't right at your place. This does not > # happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup > # screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the > # scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given > # a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if > # the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or > # off). > # > # [...] > # > # There's no seeding per se. There is only one > # scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are > # lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the > # top then no scrollback information. > # > # [...] > # > # No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen > # vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. > > Oops! It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of > the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen > in a serial connection. When I generated data beyond the first > screen, it worked right. > > I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here. The only "logical" > design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the > current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc. > And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each > session is a separate process. But I can see that multiple sessions > under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least > without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements. > > Never mind! :-) > > David Johns --------- MSK's Telnet sessions are completely separate up to the point of using one scrollback buffer, and that buffer is in expanded memory if you let it be there. Each session has its own terminal emulation characteristics including keyboard layout. It's in the release docs. Scrollback buffers get to be just plain too large to keep in physical memory, and as you say we get involved with swapping systems (ugh). I can offer my own reaction to all this because I very often run with several simultaneous Telnet sessions to keep slightly ahead of the deluge: the current method works out ok, could be a tad better but it's effective as-is. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 00:19:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23680 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:19:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: 5 Jan 1996 05:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4cicdc$jhd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: > >Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and >comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" >at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose >"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get >transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, >i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. Your problem is that you are trying to send with "xmodem" and receive with "kermit". These are two completely different and incompatible file transfer protocols. Try using a communications program like MS-DOS Kermit which supports Kermit file transfer protocol on your PC. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 03:32:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07908 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22466 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:32:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!news.spies.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: 5 Jan 1996 00:10:20 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4chq9c$31d@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ilya (ibelooze@runet.edu) wrote: : Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and : comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" The kermit command, entered this way, expects kermit protocol for the transfer. : at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose : "Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get You are sending in an XModem protocol, which Kermit doesn't understand. Rather than using COMIT, which probably came free with your modem because no one would ever pay for it, why not try MSKermit, since you already have kermit on the Unix machine. Details via email. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 06:00:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17361 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:00:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 5 Jan 1996 08:56:09 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name server configure? >From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The connections I am thinking of would be OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 08:56:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06716 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA15847 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:56:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.unb.ca!usenet From: Ken Banks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit code for Intel 8051 family ? Date: 5 Jan 1996 13:29:48 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4cj94c$a5b@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: osiris.ee.unb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I'm looking for kermit code for the Intel 8031 8-bit microcontroller. Any sources? Couldn't find it at columbia.edu. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 09:59:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11983 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:58:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Solaris Date: 5 Jan 1996 14:58:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4cjebc$ihv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net>, Mr. Atkinson wrote: : Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ?? : Thanks in advance. : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:18:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13963 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:18:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using kermit w/ vertex software and PDT-3300 terminal Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:18:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4cjffl$jkk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: vertex In article <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, <73172.1615@compuserve.com> wrote: : i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable : terminal. earlier in the summer when performing some initial testing i : found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable : that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected. presently, : when i transmit a file that already exists it is just overwriting the : file. i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING : ON. i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already : existed would be renamed to a new file. but...this is not occurring. : can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong? : Let's assume that you are using the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14. In this version, by default, the OLD file is renamed, rather than the incoming (new) file. The command that governs this is SET FILE COLLISION, with the following options: APPEND Append the incoming file to the existing file. BACKUP (default) Rename the EXISTING (old) file. RENAME Rename the incoming (new) file. OVERWRITE Overwrite the existing file. DISCARD Refuse to accept the incoming file. UPDATE Refuse to accept the incoming file if its creation date is earlier than that of the existing file -- works only if the other Kermit supplies this information. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:47:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16479 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21446 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:47:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ISDN? Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:47:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4cjh68$ku4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: : This may be a really dumb question, it's definitely naive. But does : Kermit work with ISDN and is it something that one would want to do? : : I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems. The files that I'm : transferring may get a lot bigger and I need to come up with some : alternatives. I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, the : book, or this newsgroup. : You will always get more informative answers to questions like this if you state which Kermit program you are talking about, on which type of computer and operating system. As other posters pointed out, ISDN is often a lower layer to other protocols, such as TCP/IP, in which case applications designed for the higher protocols should work transparently. In other cases, ISDN drivers make the ISDN connection mimic some familiar type of serial device, like a Hayes modem. Here is some specific information about using MS-DOS Kermit with ISDN, reproduced from section 2.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file: Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission. ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers. There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers. CAPI drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit. Examples: . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler & Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany. It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041. It supports both the Fossil and Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like AT commands. . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede, Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German . Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:53:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17181 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21887 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:53:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: : Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received : on the current connection ? : : The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to : our customer via X.25. Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which : automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine. : We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the : work involved). The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only : based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data : was sent/received. If it would be possible to get that information : from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in : a log file. : It always helps to provide better answers if you state which Kermit program you are talking about, on which type of computer and operating system. Back in the old days, when people still used to look at source code, make modifications, and recompile, it was a great benefit that Kermit source code was available to everybody. While this world has largely disappeared, there are still some vestiges of it clinging to their obscure little niches. For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C compilers. If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the communication device and install a simple counter there. The question of how to display or use this information is another matter. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 14:09:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05463 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:09:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@sn.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 14:55:12 +0100 Organization: SN Internett Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cjak0$44e@sinsen.sn.no> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> <4chpb3$sj1@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sinsen.sn.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote: : In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: : >Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received : >on the current connection ? : : You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the : size of the log file. : Yes, put that helps me only to keep track of how many bytes sent and recieved in interactive mode. All data sent/received when transferring files is not written to the session log file. I know about the transact.log file but it contains only the size of the file(s) being sent/received, not the actual byte count. Steinthor -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 14:57:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09436 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:57:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 19:33:59 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4cjuf7$oi7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu In article <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C >compilers. If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find >the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the >communication device and install a simple counter there. The question of >how to display or use this information is another matter. Some implementations of Unix also allow you to do iostat on individual ports/terminals. See the man page for iostat(1) on a particular machine for details. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 20:10:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07869 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA22085 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:10:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan5.163512.70601@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 96 16:35:12 MDT References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines > and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip > addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name > server configure? > > From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) > two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get > something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found > any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The > connections I am thinking of would be > > OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit > SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit > MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit > > -- > Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, > Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk ------------ Yes, of course it is. It's up to you to select IP addresses and subnet masks and all that jazz. For a completely (and I do mean completely) isolated hookup you can use IP of 10.0.0.x which is a Class A private network (please read RFC1597.TXT). Never have this hooked to another net. We don't get into how you can create a home network with sundry equipment. Other NEWS groups are flooded with such discussions and you are better off with them. You may also benefit from talking with your local Computer Center about such matters (it's been awhile since I was at your University so I can't provide pointers to whom). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 21:29:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13512 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:29:12 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!5leitgeb_c From: 5leitgeb_c@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: 5LEITGEB_C Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:13:56 GMT Message-ID: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 19 I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX computer, and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster CPS rate with this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400 baud using a Zoom internal 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as my terminal program. When transferring GIF's or other binary files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When transferring a text file, it increases to around 420 CPS. Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some parameter I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's US Robotics Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed down even more. I know from experience that Zmodem can do about 1500 cps at 14400 easily. Any help would be appreciated, since I'm not that familiar with the Kermit protocol. -Craig 5leitgeb_c@spcvxa.spc.edu Saint Peter's College From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 04:06:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA11191 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA08391 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:06:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra!gweisz From: gweisz@ra (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: screen fonts for old laptops? Date: 5 Jan 1996 11:56:08 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cj3ko$6ko@thoth.nilenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com hi. the reason i'm posting this in the kermit group is that kermit is so international that some folks here might have run across this problem (and see also re kermit, in the following). i'm corresponding with someone who has a zenith laptop from about 1988. the manual says that there are up to 12 video modes possible, though zenith says this is cga (perhaps they're counting what one could get with a hercules?). we can't get hebrew screen fonts to work, and this would certainly affect mskermit 3.14, as it is using a vga type font (which we have also tried and in fact doesn't work there). ie, 3.14 would not give hebrew screen fonts in this situation, without modification. any help would be very much appreciated. we've gone through a lot of frustration already. i'm not sure whether any answers should be posted here, or just a solution that definitely works, perhaps (?) thanks, gideon -- gideon weisz ïåòãâ [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 07:14:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12120 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:14:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date: 6 Jan 1996 12:04:42 GMT Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4clogq$nrs@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 5leitgeb_c@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: # I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX # computer, and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster # CPS rate with this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400 # baud using a Zoom internal 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as # my terminal program. When transferring GIF's or other binary # files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When transferring a text # file, it increases to around 420 CPS. # # Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some # parameter I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's # US Robotics Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed # down even more. I know from experience that Zmodem can do # about 1500 cps at 14400 easily. I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now. At first they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were around 70 cps. Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900 cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps. Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or installed on that machine. I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600 at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117. I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90! My experience in general in dealing with hosts on the net is that they assume that people will only be using Kermit if they are coming in through some sort of connection that requires maximum robustness rather than maximum speed, so they make no attempt to optimize for the same conditions that make ZModem usable. And maybe they have a point. I use a couple of hosts that I can call directly, but they're long distance, or access through a series of links from a local call. When I do it that way, Kermit is the only transfer protocol I can use. If they optimized for the direct dial-ups, I would have no way to transfer files through my series of telnet and local connections. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 21:41:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27606 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with Cardinal 144i? Message-ID: <1996Jan6.184457.70678@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 96 18:44:57 MDT References: <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) writes: > Kermites! > > I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14. 3.14 is not recognizing > my modem:[ > > Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196) > Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) > Init : at&f > > I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal > firmware. Failure:( > By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10 2400 baud > connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual > line buffer. > Read the manual you say? > Been there > Done that > Got nowhere. ---------- Try again. Don't use BIOS3 unless you want zilch performance. See command SET COM3 in the docs. You'll have to read the manual on your modem to see what commands it wants, and you can try them by hand to see if they work on your paticular unit. Then modify the dialer entry of choice to match. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 05:50:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00469 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19061 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with Cardinal 144i? Date: 7 Jan 1996 00:31:13 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Kermites! I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14. 3.14 is not recognizing my modem:[ Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal firmware. Failure:( By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10 2400 baud connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual line buffer. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! I'm just another corpse Vocal in anonymity, ! looking for a nice, dark, hole. Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 10:25:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25521 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:25:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.emich.edu!emunix.emich.edu!remmers From: remmers@emich.edu (John H. Remmers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date: 7 Jan 1996 15:01:31 GMT Organization: Eastern Michigan University, Ypsilanti Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4con8b$jm2@orphan.emich.edu> References: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> <4clogq$nrs@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emunix.emich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] David A. Johns (afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu) wrote: : I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now. At first : they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were : around 70 cps. Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone : installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900 : cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps. : Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or : installed on that machine. : I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600 : at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is : VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117. I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't : have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of : acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90! VMS Kermit-32 is pretty primitive. But recent versions of C-Kermit are available for VAX/VMS, supporting long packets, sliding windows, and the usual command line arguments. C-Kermit was installed on the VMS system I use a while back and delivers the same kind of excellent performance, both over direct dial and network connections, that I've come to expect of it on other platforms. - John - -- John H. Remmers | remmers@emunix.emich.edu Eastern Michigan University | http://emunix.emich.edu/~remmers Dept. of Computer Science | NOTE: Do not read this message fast. It Ypsilanti, MI 48197 | is never right to read messages fast. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 16:18:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18457 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:18:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.io.com!io.com!not-for-mail From: bei@io.com (Bob Izenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "sportster" definition in ckudia.c Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 7 Jan 1996 14:48:42 -0600 Organization: Ask me later Lines: 22 Distribution: na Message-ID: <4cpbja$1is@xanadu.io.com> Reply-To: bei@io.com NNTP-Posting-Host: xanadu.io.com Environment: ISC 2.2 - 3.0 with networking/job control and gcc Version: 5A(190) The MDINF stanza for USRobotics HST-class modems turns both MNP and ARQ off when mnp-enable is off. I don't use MNP but I do use ARQ, so I applied this to ckudia.c to have "mnp-enable off" do only what it says that it will do: 2230c2230 < ttslow("AT&M0&K0\015",pmdminf->wake_rate); --- > ttslow("AT&M4&K3\015",pmdminf->wake_rate); Is "mnp-enable" supposed to turn off all error correction? Bob -- ============================================================ Bob Izenberg home: 512-442-0614 bei@io.com work: 512-306-0700 ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 22:41:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13760 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17780 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:41:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.flinet.com!usenet From: GG Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 8 Jan 1996 03:24:41 GMT Organization: Florida Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wpb37.flinet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer automatically? From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 23:36:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17140 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:36:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 8 Jan 1996 04:36:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4cq70e$jr1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>, GG wrote: >Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer >automatically? > Which Keermit are you using? On which Operating Sysetem are you using it? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 03:02:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02463 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA24963 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:02:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!newshub.cts.com!news1.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 7 Jan 1996 20:11:53 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 139 Message-ID: <4cq5i9$h13@crl.crl.com> References: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>, GG wrote: >Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer >automatically? > I am including a scrap of my mscustom.ini from 3.14, this has never been tested on k95, probably won't work there but I have no idea what you are running either. Randy. randyd@crl.com www.crl.com/~randyd ; ******************************************************************* ; macros for chat and auto-answer ; important: must do NOANSWER after you are done with ANSWER session ; so that modem does not answer any following voice calls! define nochat - set terminal newline off,- set local-echo off,- echo Chat Dissabled. define chat - set terminal newline on,- set local-echo on,- connect ; 'dial =' inits the modem and makes it ready for communications ; and will hang up modem if connected ; enable auto-answer, takes one parameter for number of rings define answer - if = \v(argc) 1 fatal {How many rings?},- if not numeric \%1 fatal {Argument must be number!},- if > \%1 9 fatal {Range error!},- if < \%1 1 fatal {Range error!},- echo Auto-answer mode...,- echo Will answer on \%1 rings.,- dial =,- if failure forward ansbad1,- set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward ansbad,- output ats0=\%1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward ansbad,- set input echo on,- echo Auto-Answer Enabled. Remember to enter NOANSWER when done!,- end 0,- :ansbad,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- :ansbad1,- set input echo on,- end 1 ; disable auto-answer define noanswer - set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if success forward noansok,- echo Wait 1 moment\44 your modem appears to be still connected.,- output +++,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ats0=0\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ato\13,- forward noansok1,- :noansok,- output ats0=0\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- :noansok1,- set input echo on,- echo Auto-Answer Disabled.,- end 0,- :noansbad,- set input echo on,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- end 1 ; dials a phone number, not intended to be used for calling another modem define pcdial - if < \v(argc) 2 forward pcbad1,- set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward pcbad2,- echo Dialing \%1,- assign \%2 \v(carrier),- set carrier off,- output ATDT\%1;\13,- input 8 OK,- if failure forward pcbad3,- pause 8,- output ATH0\13,- set carrier \%2,- end 0,- :pcbad1,- echo Not enough parameters.,- end 0,- :pcbad2,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- end 0,- :pcbad3,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- athangup,- set carrier \%2,- end 0 ; goto server mode, answer on %1 rings, exit at time %2 or after %2 seconds define myserver - do answer \%1,- set server login randyd yourpasswordhere,- server \%2,- noanswer,- quit From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 08:28:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00289 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:28:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!ghidora17 From: chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) Newsgroups: fj.net.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: No handshake xfers Date: Sun, 07 Jan 96 13:26:06 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidora17.pixi.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu fj.net.modems:552 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4451 comp.protocols.misc:5227 Here's one for you all... I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn it off on any others? Any and all assistance is appreciated. William K. Marshall chip@pixi.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 09:35:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04608 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20166 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan8.032053.8679@ais> Date: 8 Jan 96 03:20:53 EST References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 43 In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines > and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip > addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name > server configure? > > From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) > two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get > something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found > any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The > connections I am thinking of would be > > OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit > SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit > MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit For a small network, you are probably better off running 10-Base2 (ThinWire): this does not limit you to 2 nodes and does not require a hub. As always, you will need to be careful in your selection of equipment to make sure that the interfaces all support 10-Base2 or else you will end up buying (relatively) expensive transceivers in order to connect to the backbone. The simplest implementation would not have a name server but would give each node the static address of every other node. You would use a network submask of 255.255.255.0 and all of the nodes would have addresses of 10.0.0.x, where x is unique for each machine. Configuring this isn't very hard, but you may have to experiment around a bit to find a packet driver that works with your network card on the DOS machine -- a lot of software is rather picky about what cards it will support, to the extent that different revision levels of the same card may or may not work with different revision levels of the software. Try to get the most recent editions of both and you will probably be OK; also, if possible bring up the DOS machine last since the software on it seems to be the most problematic and you can test the other machines first to make sure that you have a working network. Or, alternatively, use the TCP/IP stack in Windows 95 and use Kermit 95 -- the TCP/IP stack there seems to be less problematic than many of the packet drivers for native DOS. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 16:44:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06722 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12844 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Message-ID: <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jan 96 12:50:39 MDT References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4453 comp.protocols.misc:5230 In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) writes: > Here's one for you all... > > I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my > workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a > direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the > transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The > only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the > zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but > It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. > > The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software > wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a > binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn > it off on any others? > > Any and all assistance is appreciated. > > William K. Marshall > chip@pixi.com --------------- Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. I would suggest you get together with your security people and discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 03:22:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA20749 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA07795 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:22:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hilbert.dnai.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!godzilla05 From: chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Date: Mon, 08 Jan 96 10:49:55 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla05.pixi.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4454 comp.protocols.misc:5232 In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) writes: >> Here's one for you all... >> >> I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my >> workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a >> direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the >> transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The >> only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the >> zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but >> It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. >> >> The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software >> wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a >> binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn >> it off on any others? >> >> Any and all assistance is appreciated. >> >> William K. Marshall >> chip@pixi.com >--------------- > Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really >no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback >to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking >deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets >there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole >checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. > I would suggest you get together with your security people and >discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are >required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this >for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers. > Joe D. The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's. The possibility for packet loss is remote. It is not a big deal if once in a while the users have to re-send the data. As for the security people... I am in the military. Just getting the permission to connect two computers in the way I have described took over a year, and the requirement for this is now. If I connect the transmit side from the classified side to the unclass side, there is a possibility of transferring data that way. Even if there is a way to turn the transfer off with the software, if someone knew how, they could turn it on and transfer the data. It is a little different if there is no hardware to do this with. It takes out the possibility of someone hacking or fat fingering thier way to an unapproved transfer. Thanks, Chip William K. Marshall chip@pixi.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 09:44:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24287 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.WARWICK.NET!usenet From: 71231.104@compuserve.com (Richard Slobod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 15:30:49 GMT Organization: Warwick Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4ctt4p$gs0@news1.warwick.net> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: t5-01.warwick.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) wrote: >Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and >comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" >at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose >"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get >transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, >i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. You can't use XModem; not surprisingly, the only transfer protocol Kermit supports is kermit. If Comit doesn't support the kermit transfer protocol you'll need to use a different comm program that does. Another alternative is to use XModem-compatible utilities at the Unix end. The usual such utilities are rx and sx; check their respective man pages for more information. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 10:54:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01605 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA07434 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:54:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!mercury.near.net!news From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 Date: 9 Jan 1996 15:31:17 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: isdnip.near.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build. It is faster, which is nice, but it never displays the cursor! I tried changing the cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-( This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet. Any clues or patches? Thanks. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 16:31:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04318 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!pdlmail.demon.co.uk From: Peter Disdale Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 18:29:48 GMT Organization: Papa Delta Limited Lines: 51 Message-ID: <821212188snz@pdlmail.demon.co.uk> References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> Reply-To: pete@pdlmail.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pdlmail.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: pdlmail.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4457 comp.protocols.misc:5234 In article <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> chip@pixi.com "William K. Marshall" writes: > In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>, > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com > > (William K. Marshall) writes: > > > > > Here's one for you all... > > > [original article, all good stuff, snipped] > > > > Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really > > no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback > > to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking > > deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets > > there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole > > checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. > > [..] > > The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's. > The possibility for packet loss is remote. It is not a big deal if once in a > while the users have to re-send the data. > > [..] Sounds to me as though what you are currently doing is the best you can hope for, but consider the following: 1. you mentioned in the original post 'modems'. Can these be eliminated and a direct connection be used instead? 2. why are you uuencoding the file? Are you limited to 7 bit characters by the 'modems'? If not, why not use 8 bit chars and send the ZIP directly - this would reduce the size (and hence time) by a quarter. 3. you said that a 10 Mb file takes around 4 hours to transfer. I might have done my sums wrong, but that means arounds 7000 bps. Is there any way you can run the com ports faster than this, say at 57600 bps? (Given of course that the 486s have 16550 UARTs.) As Joe said, you have no way of knowing that the data arrived OK. However, using a compressor (like PKZIP) maintains its own CRC data in the file, so at least you could be fairly certain that if it was unZIPped OK, then the data would be good. So, if you could increase the transfer rate to say, 8 times the present value, and reduce the file size by a quarter, your 10 Mb file would only be around 7.5 Mb, whose transfer time would be around 25 minutes. You might, however, need to save the file out to a RAM disk (or very fast hard disk) to avoid losing data through overruns... Good luck! -- Pete From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 16:49:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05939 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:43:30 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 References: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> Lines: 14 In article <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net>, fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) says: >I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build. It is faster, >which is nice, but it never displays the cursor! I tried changing the >cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-( >This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet. >Any clues or patches? Thanks. >-- >Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 >Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 00:34:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10129 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:34:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REMOTE CD not always working...what to do? Date: 10 Jan 1996 03:01:16 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test that the REMOTE CD actually worked. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 01:30:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15459 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA23264 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:30:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REMOTE CD not always working...what to do? Date: 10 Jan 1996 06:30:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4cvmdv$mlr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD >command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it >doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the >wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home >machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. > >I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way >to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test >that the REMOTE CD actually worked. > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of >directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. Try using the REMOTE QUERY KERMIT directory command to query the value of the current directory on the remote system. The value of the variable will be placed in the \v(query) variable. x x xx Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 11:57:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09950 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA24634 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cincom.com!happy.cincom.com!monroeds From: Dave Monroe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Laptop Kermit Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:08:45 -0600 Organization: Cincom Systems, Inc., Cincinnati OH Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cincom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty odd since this works on my old PC/AT. Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? -- ____ __ ___ / __ \____ __ _____ / |/ /___ ____ _________ ___ / / / / __ `/ | / / _ \ / /|_/ / __ \/ __ \/ ___/ __ \/ _ \ / /_/ / /_/ /| |/ / __/ / / / / /_/ / / / / / / /_/ / __/ /_____/\__,_/ |___/\___/ /_/ /_/\____/_/ /_/_/ \____/\___/ Another quality transmission from . . . monroeds@happy.cincom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 15:51:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18884 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!news.uky.edu!ukcc.uky.edu!FXING00 From: FXING00@ukcc.uky.edu (han) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I have turble transfer file with kermit in Windows Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 14:22:35 EST Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1770ACA2BS86.FXING00@ukcc.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Hello: I used .pif file in win v3.11, but the dos kermit will not transfer file in window. it only can transfer file in dos...Please help me out Najai From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 18:02:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03523 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08221 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:02:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hello Frank Date: 10 Jan 1996 13:03:42 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Frank, I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation and have discovered that when I use a script to call out the software adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can this feature be disabled? Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your attention. Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 18:08:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04024 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08348 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: 10 Jan 1996 23:08:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4d1gsm$84q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, PGassman wrote: > I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 > workstation and have discovered that when I use a script to call out > the software adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed > is. Since my actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a > loss of communication with my modem until I manual change the line > speed back. Can this feature be disabled? > The current version is 5A(190). It has considerable improvements for HP-UX over 5A(189). As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", on page 61, use the command SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING to control whether Kermit changes speed according to the modem's CONNECT message. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 19:03:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08353 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:03:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!feed.umontreal.ca!lacs From: lacs@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lacombe Serge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfert between 2 servers Date: 10 Jan 1996 20:23:48 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: eole.ere.umontreal.ca Hi. Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers via a modem connection? Thanks. Serge Lacombe Universite de Montreal E-mail: lacs@DAA.umontreal.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 19:06:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08549 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:06:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:36:25 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) wrote: >Frank, >I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation >and have discovered that when I use a script to call out the software >adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my >actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of >communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can >this feature be disabled? >Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your >attention. >Thanks for your help. Even though I'm not Frank, you might try "set dial speed-matching off". And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching" although it's apparently there. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 21:21:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17867 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:21:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: 11 Jan 1996 02:21:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4d1s7c$d8n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4>, Vincent Fatica wrote: >... >And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching" >although it's apparently there. > Well... That's because in later editions of C-Kermit, which have not been released yet, the "set dial" and "set modem" mishmash was entirely reworked to separate the concepts that are related to dialing (telephone numbers and so on) from concepts releated to the modem. Thus the new command is (will be) "set modem speed-matching", but the old form is still accepted but, as you noticed, not listed in the help. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 21:28:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18263 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13789 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:28:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Laptop Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan10.100221.70962@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Jan 96 10:02:21 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article , Dave Monroe writes: > I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. > > Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote > machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty > odd since this works on my old PC/AT. > > Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? ----------- Kermit doesn't have the problems, but PCMCIA devices are really loaded with problems. There is no way that we can begin to diagnose the difficulties of your particular PCMCIA device and its particular drivers on that machine. The best we can suggest is triple check for IRQ and port conflicts, and have a nice long chat with the PCMCIA drivers. MS-DOS Kermit is at release 3.14 so you may want to pick up a copy from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 01:33:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07200 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA19857 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:33:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfert between 2 servers Date: 11 Jan 1996 06:33:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d2b0c$jcf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA>, Lacombe Serge wrote: >Hi. > >Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers >via a modem connection? > Sure. What kind of computers? Which operating systems? Kermit is available on almost everything but the AS/400. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 05:46:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23162 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:46:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!mercury.near.net!news From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 Date: 11 Jan 1996 03:52:00 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4d21h0$lbk@mercury.near.net> References: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isdnip.near.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, HDK@psuvm.psu.edu says... >Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor >problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit >with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file. Turns out Jeff Altman had the answer. Thanks, Jeff! I upgraded the S3 video drivers. The ones in the Warp box are buggy; the new edition on ftp.pcco.ibm.com is better, and produces a cursor. I guess the two versions of Kermit invoke the cursor-in-a-window just differently enough to hit upon a buggy driver. Oh yeah, slight program note. Upgrading the driver failed with the SETUP.CMD on the driver disk when I used 4OS2 as the shell, but running CMD as the shell fixed that problem. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 15:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21588 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24932 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:19:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 11 Jan 1996 17:41:14 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Hello, I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 19:54:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16929 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05434 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:54:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 00:54:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann wrote: >I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old >PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to >transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I >could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between >the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? > You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem cables and a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor). Make sure that the RTS and CTS wires are crossed over. Use "set flow rts/cts". Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the old PC. You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving the directory structure and creating directories on the fly, using the XSEND program, which you will find in the UTILS subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 06:30:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17181 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:30:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!tecsun1.tec.army.mil!navair2.nalda.navy.mil!avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Message-ID: <1996Jan11.150342.71082@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 96 15:03:42 MDT References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old > PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to > transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I > could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between > the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? ------- A simple Null-Modem block will do nicely. Such items are cheap and widely available in computer stores and elsewhere. Only MS-DOS Kermit runs under DOS. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 08:18:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15320 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06058 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 11:10:30 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. See our Web page: # # http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ # # You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem # cables and a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor). Make # sure that the RTS and CTS wires are crossed over. Use "set # flow rts/cts". # # Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the # old PC. # # You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving # the directory structure and creating directories on the fly, # using the XSEND program, which you will find in the UTILS # subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the other without needing disks. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 09:48:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22215 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:48:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 08:54:55 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Sender: mike@knot.queensu.ca Message-ID: <4d5p7f$dmj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: |> I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to |> me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious |> answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes |> with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory |> structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine |> into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or |> freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even |> describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the |> other without needing disks. |> |> David Johns Maybe. Maybe not. I tried to set up Interlink for a friend who wanted to move stuff from his laptop to his desktop. He lives in another city and didn't forewarn me I would be consulting during my visit. :-) Anyhow, whether it was ignorance on my part or something odd about Interlink running bwtween his two particular machines, the file transfers were unbearably slow. Fortunately we had access to the net and pulled down a copy of MSK. It worked beautifully. And I discovered something that surprised me--there was a dramatic improvement in file transfer speed when the server was the old laptop rather than the new desktop. This is contrary to Frank's advice so perhaps my memory is wrong. However, it is definitely worth testing both possibilities on your equipment. In our case, the change improved file transfer speed from 3,700 to 10,000 cps. Which is kind of "Wow!" when you see it happen. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 10:51:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27717 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10632 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:51:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 15:51:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4d601n$ac4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: >I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to >me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious >answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes >with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory >structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine >into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or >freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even >describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the >other without needing disks. The original poster can't use InterLink because he doesn't have it. He is using DOS 3.x on at least one of the two machines. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 16:45:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02680 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22877 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:45:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:44:11 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <30f69a2f.102903867@128.230.1.4> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: >Hello, > >I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old >PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to >transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I >could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between >the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? Christoph, This is very possible; I do it all the time between two Windows95 machines and between a Windows95 machine and a Linux machine. I don't know if the old DOS version will cause any problems. A modem cable will not work. You need a NULL MODEM CABLE (same price as a modem cable) or you can use a NULL MODEM ADAPTER (about $3 U.S.) with a regular modem cable. In a null modem cable or adapter, the SEND pin on each end is connected to the RECEIVE pin on the other end. Once the null modem is in place, tell each Kermit to set port comN (whatever COM ports you're using) set speed ... (the same on both ends) set flow rts connect Or, you can give one of the Kermits the "server" command; then, from the other Kermit, in "connect" mode, give commands to the server like "send", "get", "remote cd", "remote dir", et cetera. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 18:50:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13428 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:50:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!news From: sulis@unm.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:35:30 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cirt_128.unm.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 kermit program, that would be more than enough help. I am assuming I need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file, but I simply do not know. Thanks very much! Please email any responses. Thanks again! sulis@unm.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 19:07:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14785 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: 13 Jan 1996 00:07:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4d6t4c$qot@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu>, wrote: : Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with : Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that : looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it : doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 : kermit program, that would be more than enough help. : The Commodore 64/128 Kermit manual is: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c/c64ker.doc It is quite comprehensive and tells you all about how to dial. : I am assuming I need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe : in the kermit.ini file, but I simply do not know. : It's easier than that. Just enter CONNECT mode and type a dialing command to the modem, such as: atdt7654321 and then carriage return. Wait for the response from the modem, such as CONNECT. See the manual for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 22:16:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27779 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:15:59 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!news!news From: Bob Lombard Subject: Can Kermit talk to other protocols , xmodem, etc (answer not in FAQ) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dweezil.nosc.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil> Sender: news@nosc.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 14 Quick question, answer not found in FAQ Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs only X, Y , or zmodem ?? If yes, whats needed to do this ? If no, can anyone recommend a shareware unix based program similar to kermit or procomm, et al, that will ? Thanks for your help ! Blombard@nosc.mil From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 13 10:37:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22994 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05663 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit talk to other protocols , xmodem, etc (answer not in FAQ) Date: 13 Jan 1996 15:37:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4d8jis$5gp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil>, Bob Lombard wrote: >Quick question, answer not found in FAQ > > Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs > only X, Y , or zmodem ?? > Assuming you are asking about UNIX C-Kermit, you need: 1. A copy of sz/rz/sb/rb/sx/rx that allows its standard i/o to be redirected. These date from the mid-to-late 1980s. 2. C-Kermit 5A(190) - the current version. 3. The macros defined in the ckurzsz.ini. Your other choice would be to purchase up-to-date XYZMODEM software from Omen Technology and use it instead of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 05:17:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14480 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:17:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Cardinal MVP144DS-C Date: 14 Jan 1996 02:46:49 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4d9qqp$k20@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca Keywords: I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection with anything besides a 2400 baud modem. At real speeds, I connect and receive the title page for the particular BBS with no problems. After login though all received data seems to be buffered. Use of the space bar is needed to bring responce charcters to the screen. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Why use Kermit? Get some real software you say. Send me some. I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro. At least Kermit knows I have a modem connected. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! If this hangover weren't so bad Vocal in anonymity, ! I'd be worried about making the grade Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 05:22:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14708 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:22:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!callisto.unm.edu!sulis From: Raging Bull Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:43:55 -0700 Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: callisto.unm.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199601130515.AA28870@crl.crl.com> On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Randy Ding wrote: > In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> you write: > >Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with > >Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that > >looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it > >doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 > >kermit program, that would be more than enough help. I am assuming I > >need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file, > >but I simply do not know. Thanks very much! > > > >Please email any responses. Thanks again! > >sulis@unm.edu > > > > > > Wow, c64, reminds me of kermit on my old apple2. > Kermit does have a dial command, but it just sends modem strings > to the modem. You can do that yourself. > First use the connect command. > type atz and hit enter to see if the modem is working, should say OK. > then if your phone number is 123-4567 type > atdt1234567 and hit enter. > That should do it. None of the keys work after I type connect. Could this mean that I need to tell Kermit what type of modem I am using? Also, are you sure my commodore non-hayes compatible modem accepts at commands? Just curious, I know little about commodores. Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it! __________________________________________________________________ I |______________________________________________________| I . ../<. ... . . .. .. . .. .... . .. .. . . .. . .. . ... . .. ... ..>\.. . From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 07:29:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27093 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:28:56 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!winternet.com!news.minn.net!skypoint.com!hagar.cyberoptics.com!bpeters!c1mpls!technix!thekeep!jwallace From: jwallace@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace) Subject: Re: Laptop Kermit Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:19:22 GMT References: Organization: Private system - Saint Paul, MN, USA Lines: 15 Dave Monroe wrote: > I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. > > Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote > machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty > odd since this works on my old PC/AT. > > Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? Kermit 3.14 works well with my notebook and Multi-Tech PCMCIA 28.8 modem. Card and Socket Services are from Phoenix, otherwise DOS 6.22 and WfWG 3.11. -- Jerry Wallace jfw@technix.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 18:42:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13074 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02726 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:42:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 14 Jan 1996 02:22:35 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines >and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? Yes, but these days other software is handier and not expensive. >What ip addresses would one use? Anything you want, as long as you don't connect to the internet. To keep it simple, use a class 'C' address range with a netmask of 255.255.255.0. Only the last number should be different among the machine addresses. >Would it be necessary to have a name server configure? Not if you don't mind entering the number instead of a host name. >From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) >two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get >something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found >any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The >connections I am thinking of would be > >OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit >SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit >MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit That should all work. The 'handier' software gives you transparent disk/print sharing. Any combination of these should work: OS/2 Warp Connect Windows for WorkGroups plus the tcp stack from ftp.microsoft.com Windows95 Windows NT Unix with the 'samba' server from nimbus.anu.edu.au:/pub/tridge/samba DOS LanMan Client from ftp.microsoft.com WFW Dos add-on Warp connect/WFW/Win95/NT are peer-to-peer. The downloadable DOS packages are client-only, although I think a server version is available. The real-mode DOS TCP stack is large. If you can run windows the 32-bit stack for WFW is much nicer, and Win95 even better. Unix/samba is a server-only except for an ftp-like client, except for Linux which can be configured to mount the lanman/windows shared directories transparently. You can run kermit over the stock tcp on unix, OS/2 and win95. On DOS you might be able to kludge up packet driver hook to the NDIS driver plus pktmux, but it still might not work. With WFW, I don't think there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't matter much since there are lots of telnet programs that run over the winsock interface and you can use 'copy' instead of a file transfer program. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 15 04:52:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA25172 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA14782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:52:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Cardinal MVP144DS-C Date: 14 Jan 1996 16:39:48 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4dbbkk$aj2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection with anything besides a 2400 baud modem. At real speeds, I connect and receive the title page for the particular BBS with no problems. After login though all received data seems to be buffered. Use of the space bar is needed to bring responce charcters to the screen. Why use Kermit? Get some real software you say. Send me some. I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro. At least Kermit knows I have a modem connected. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! If this hangover weren't so bad Vocal in anonymity, ! I'd be worried about making the grade Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 07:23:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03180 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:23:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.interlog.com!news.magmacom.com!usenet From: giguere@magmacom.com (stephen giguere) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem? Date: 17 Jan 1996 05:28:10 GMT Organization: Magma Communications Ltd., Ottawa, Ont. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna181.magmacom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this possible with kermit? Please respond with any help to mdsaero@fox.nstn.ca or to sgiguere@vpdesign.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 10:12:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23676 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem? Date: 17 Jan 1996 15:11:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4dj3ik$49m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com>, stephen giguere wrote: >I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine >and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer >the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this >possible with kermit? > If you really want to offer callers a UNIX prompt, then you need to make IDs for them, put a getty on the communication device that is attached to the modem, and have them log in normally and then run C-Kermit in the regular way. This is the standard and most straightforward mode of operation. There are also more esoteric approaches, which have security implications. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 14:55:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23702 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:55:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!hartwick.edu!atienzam From: atienzam@hartwick.edu (Michael A. Atienza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Downloading from one computer to another Message-ID: <1996Jan16.165546.5296@hartwick.edu> Date: 16 Jan 96 16:55:46 -0500 Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 13 Hello folks. Please help me out here. I have a database program in one computer with all the *.dbf files in it. What I want to do is dial up that computer and download all of the .dbf files into my machine. I would also like it to be password protected so that only I can access the files. Is there a way to do this? Thanks in advance. Cheers Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 06:45:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05420 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24157 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:45:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!demon!dcbarry.demon.co.uk From: njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Echo Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:55:21 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcbarry.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dcbarry.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the keyboard. Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands: set term echo off or set term echo remote ok when already logged on. However, if I put them in a script file, again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key deleting characters. The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot see it doing it... If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on, everything works OK. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks, Nik Stanbridge. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 09:00:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26410 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!nova.umuc.edu!apollo!rocky From: rocky@apollo.umuc.edu (Rocky Giannini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems Kermit95 Zmodem Download Directory Date: 17 Jan 1996 13:00:42 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: apollo.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Hi, I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2). Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and always end up in the "current" directory. The download directory in the dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place. I've also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that doesn't work for me either. I've RTFM and files in the doc directory, but have been unable to find any mention of this being a bug. Any help is appreciated! Thanks in advance! -Rocky -- Rocky Giannini UMUC Unix and VMS Systems -- Rocky Giannini UMUC Unix and VMS Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 09:17:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27870 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05400 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:17:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems Kermit95 Zmodem Download Directory Date: 18 Jan 1996 14:17:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4dlkpl$57c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rocky Giannini wrote: : I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2). : Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and : always end up in the "current" directory. The download directory in the : dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place. I've : also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that : doesn't work for me either. : It's a (recently discovered) bug. It will be fixed in version 1.1.3, to be announced shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 11:01:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10208 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08910 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:01:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com (Kendall Chenoweth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit input from shell scripts Date: 17 Jan 1996 20:12:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4djl75$t2q@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chenoweth.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.3 what is the best way to assign input variables to a kermit script from a calling script (such as the pager id and the message!) please reply directly to my email... kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com Thank you in advance, Kendall -- _______[#]_______ Kendall Chenoweth (root@chenoweth.ultranet.com) /____|POLICE|_____\ Please direct mail to kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com I | I http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall I ___ | ___ I I |###| | |###| I Apartment #1 I |###| | |###| I Islington Terrace I |###| | |###| I Allston, MA 02134 I |___| | |___| I (617) 787-5023 (voice and occasional fax) I | o I I ___ | ___ I Catalink Direct, Inc. I |###| | |###| I 10 Oceana Way I |###| | |###| I Norwood, MA 02062 I |###| | |###| I kdc@catalink.com I |___| | |___| I (617) 762-0202, ext 4174 (voice) I | I (617) 440-3174 (direct voice) I_________|_________I (617) 762-1540 (fax) I/_______/_\_______\I (617) XXX-XXXX (beeper) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:25:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10318 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07361 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:25:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!gatech!ukma!usenet From: David Rice Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 18 Jan 1996 20:39:09 GMT Organization: BMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.163.95.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------169852698721079" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------169852698721079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------169852698721079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain #include main() { printf("/27/5i"); printf("Hello - should print\n"); ; printf("\1554i"); printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); return(0); } ---------------------------------169852698721079-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:32:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10893 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:32:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 19 Jan 1996 07:31:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4dnhda$7a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu>, David Rice wrote: > printf("/27/5i"); Here is the problem. Try: printf("%c5i",27); Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:55:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12352 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07837 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:55:36 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: File transfer through a third machine. Message-ID: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:42:23 GMT Lines: 10 I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through a modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with 1.3kcps rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is very poor with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does not work at all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can do to speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95 or other program such as hyperterminal. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 07:39:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06015 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:39:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!usenet From: David Rice Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 18 Jan 1996 20:38:37 GMT Organization: BMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4dmb4e$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.163.95.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------23881071820974" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Whomever@columbia.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------23881071820974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------23881071820974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain #include main() { printf("/27/5i"); printf("Hello - should print\n"); ; printf("\1554i"); printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); return(0); } ---------------------------------23881071820974-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 10:00:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17396 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:00:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through a third machine. Date: 19 Jan 1996 15:00:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4dobma$4eh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through a : modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix : running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with : 1.3kcps rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is : very poor with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does : not work at all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can : do to speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95 : or other program such as hyperterminal. : Because Telnet on VMS is filtering out certain characters, perhaps even all 8-bit characters. This is exactly the kind of cranky connection that Kermit protocol is good at pushing its way through, so the problem is how to make it go faster. At first glance, this looks like a flow-control problem. Is the modem on the VAX end plugged directly into a VAX serial port? A terminal server? In any case, you have to examine the flow-control setup between the modem and the thing it is directly attached to, and also the buffering configuration of the "thing" (terminal server, LAT box, or VMS itself). You might have better luck using Kermit Telnet on VMS than VMS Telnet itself (UCX, TGV, Wollongong, or whatever you have). Tell it to "set command byte 8" and "set term byte 8" and "set flow xon/xoff". The latter is not really Xon/Xoff, but results in the equivalent of VMS SET TERM /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC, which, on a TCP/IP connection simply means "don't drop TCP packets on the floor" :-) VMS C-Kermit -- current version 5A(190) -- also selects the terminal's Alt-Typeahead buffers, which are bigger than the regular ones. Having said all that, there is still the limiting factor of pumping massive amounts of data into any VMS Telnet program, Kermit or otherwise. Experiments here show approximately the same results as yours, no matter whether I use Kermit Telnet or regular (UCX) Telnet on VMS, or even rlogin -- which doesn't work at all unless I say RLOGIN /ESCAPE="" . (This paragraph applies if you have a TELNET connection from, say, a terminal server into VMS.) If I substitute UNIX for VMS as the intermediate system I get better results, by about 400%, not that this is of any help to you. So yes, you can upload files through this type of connection using Kermit, but if it's something that you need to do all the time and none of the above hints help, it would be better if you could make a less roundabout connection. Another alternative to consider would be to transfer the file in two stages. If you write a script to automate this, it would probably take a lot less elapsed time to upload the file in two stages than it is taking now to upload it in one. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 19:27:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19313 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18845 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:27:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:01:21 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm3-ip14.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Howdy All, I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...) I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite happy there. With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix (with unix being the core of their box). From there I 'sh' down into unix and invoke kermit as a server. Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands or transfer files, nothing happens. I've tried: a) Various (if not all) parity settings. b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. c) Changing 'stty' settings d) Changing flow-control and handshaking. The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets. By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local machine Never Gets it, it times out. I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my resources. Any help at this point would be appreciated. Kermit is the best! Thanks in advance. Edward Hatfield. --> Insert cute trailer here, since I don't have one (yet!) <-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 22:45:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03309 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA22756 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:45:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!saturn.ball.com!usenet From: jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 19 Jan 1996 23:51:08 GMT Organization: Ball Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jwehner.ball.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... > >In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, >Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: > > . . . With WFW, I don't think >there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >matter much since . . . . > >Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? I am on a network at work running WFW. I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. Thank you, JOhn From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 00:14:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09417 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA24929 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:13:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!helios.ucolick.org!rem From: rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS directory tree transfer? Date: 19 Jan 1996 22:39:05 GMT Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory, Santa Cruz Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucolick.org Hi, I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). File transfer between the two is fine. I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire directory tree with all associated files between the two machines. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Rem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 00:28:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10365 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25279 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:28:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!kds1.kivex.com!usenet From: Joe DeNicola Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 15:01:31 PDT Organization: KIVEX, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: joe.colsys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:80372 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4502 I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on our AIX 3.2.5 systems. However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system (we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server mode while connected on a serial port with the command: ckermit -ix -y kermit.ini I get the error: ? Can't condition line Does anyone know why? From looking at the source, it seems to be getting this when trying to set some tty parameters. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 02:07:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18759 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:06:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 20 Jan 1996 07:06:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4dq49n$qbr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:80383 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4503 In article , Joe DeNicola wrote: > >I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on >our AIX 3.2.5 systems. However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system >(we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server >mode while connected on a serial port with the command: AIX 3.2 and 4.1 require separate builds. The 4.1 build is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckuker.rs6aix41c The latest release of C-Kermit for Unix is 5a(190). see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html for further info. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 05:19:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01760 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA29878 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:19:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news From: jjacobus@wwa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 has problem with Microcom modem Date: 20 Jan 1996 01:06:08 GMT Organization: Merrill Corp. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vh3-017.wwa.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) I just installed K95 (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my Microm DeskPort Fast EP 28.8. Modem is configured as "microcom-at". Dialer fails when it tries to initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry, tried again, still no luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud rate, flow control, etc. are ok. Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't see a way of creating a custom modem configuration. Any help would be appreciated. JJ From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 10:48:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27519 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22123 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:48:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!canyon.sr.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!ub!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Echo Message-ID: <1996Jan18.142153.71584@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 96 14:21:53 MDT References: <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 In article <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk>, njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge) writes: > I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the > keyboard. Oh, please don't. > Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands: > > set term echo off > or > set term echo remote > > ok when already logged on. However, if I put them in a script file, > again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key > deleting characters. The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot > see it doing it... > > If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on, > everything works OK. > > Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Nothing much. "Erasing" characters is not a one-byte command situation, though that may be all you send to the remote host. The host maniuplates the cursor and writes over old bytes with spaces etc, depending on the host and terminal emulation and all that jazz. Kermit isn't that remote host operating system. May I suggest leaving matters alone and letting the host control your screen as it was intended to? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 13:46:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10385 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA26245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:46:55 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!istar.net!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working Message-ID: <1996Jan20.093957.21405@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <4dmb4e$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 09:39:57 GMT Lines: 27 David Rice writes: >I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I'm using >a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. >The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to >get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. >#include >main() >{ > printf("/27/5i"); > printf("Hello - should print\n"); >; printf("\1554i"); > printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); > return(0); >} >---------------------------------23881071820974-- As we discovered, what's "wrong" is the Annex Terminal Server. What happens is that your application sends a "transparent-mode" packet, the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer, your application sends another packet, the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer, etc., which totally fouls-up any attempt to make a "clean" data-path between the host and the printer. When we run the application through an IBM 7171 Protocol Converter, rather than through the A.T.S., everything works correctly. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 21:30:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12589 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA05944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:30:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!hadi From: hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The Transmit command Date: 20 Jan 1996 23:31:34 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcarhf3f.bnr.ca i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first line is sent! i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received I can load the device using crosstalk but would prefer to use kermit since it runs on unix. help will be appreciated. cheers jamal From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 00:57:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28498 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!gpu.unbc.edu!freenet.unbc.edu!freenet.unbc.edu!ad151 From: ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dr. Dobb's Date: 20 Jan 1996 12:21:31 -0800 Organization: P.G. Free-Net Association Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> Reply-To: ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.unbc.edu Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained in one of the many flavors of Kermit? - Jack -- //Jack Bowling //ad151@freenet.unbc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 00:57:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28507 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Transmit command Date: 21 Jan 1996 01:32:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes: >i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying >to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; >however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first >line is sent! >i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change >the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this >prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes >them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received We must be working from different editions... Transmit is discussed on pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993). It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything in response to a line. If not, try: set transmit prompt 0 set transmit pause (maybe 100...) You ought to be able to see what comes back with SET DEBUG I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 09:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10304 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05064 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!qiclab.scn.rain.com!orcalink.com!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 21 Jan 1996 03:31:42 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 16 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 My machine Windows 95, IBM Thinkpad 755C, IBM PCMCIA 14.4 Modem K-95 1.1.2(192) 17 Dec 95, for Windows 95 4.00(950) I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. Thanks in advance, -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 13:50:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27795 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:33:55 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip234.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello out there, does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from calling the winsock on every start? TIA Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 15:43:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05640 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!hadi From: hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Transmit command Date: 21 Jan 1996 19:36:37 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4du4k5$hn0@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcarhf3f.bnr.ca Thanks a lot. This did it for me. In article <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes: > > >>i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying >>to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; >>however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first >>line is sent! >>i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change >>the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this >>prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes >>them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received > >We must be working from different editions... Transmit is discussed on >pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993). You are right; the book i have is really old! I would need to buy a new one; any pointers where i can get one? None of the bookstores around here carry it. Maybe the publisher? > >It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything >in response to a line. If not, try: >set transmit prompt 0 >set transmit pause (maybe 100...) > This is it. Thanks again. >You ought to be able to see what comes back with >SET DEBUG >I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT cheers jamal From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 16:14:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07767 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA13535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:14:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup Date: 21 Jan 1996 21:13:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4duaan$d6q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I. Thalmann wrote: >does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also >happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me >that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before >attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this >call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from >calling the winsock on every start? Kermit 95 initializes the Winsock DLL upon startup as it should. Otherwise, you could not use it to make a TCP/IP connection. If Trumpet is interpretting a WSAStart() call as dial an ISP, then that is a bug in Trumpet. I believe there is a way to tell Trumpet not to auto dial. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 20:25:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24736 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:25:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Dobb's Message-ID: <1996Jan21.125452.71823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Jan 96 12:54:52 MDT References: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>, ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) writes: > Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My > assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his > own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained > in one of the many flavors of Kermit? ---------- I just picked up a copy of that DDJ issue. The author is trying an independent implementation of the Kermit protocol, and the Columbia implemenations were done many years ago (more efficiently too). It is nice to see Kermit protocol material discussed. However, there is one fatal protocol mistake in his work, and misunderstandings follow from it. Kermit never ACKs a packet until it has been completely processed. The DDJ author indicates packets are ACK'd as they are received into a buffer but not yet processed, and that's fatal. Heuristics dealing with his situation are different than we use in MS-DOS Kermit and C Kermit. Also, I threw out "The Source" strategy as naive when, a long time ago, I redid sliding windows from scratch (MSK). The MS-DOS Kermit form went into C Kermit. So far as I can make out the DDJ author is not using our Columbia source code as references. There is also a suspicious part near the end of the article where he claims that his Kermit implemenation was a great deal (two times) faster than a Zmodem transfer, over a local link. They ought to be much closer, provided flow control was active. Failure of flow control is certainly a real-world possibility, but I separate its effects from protocol design. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 20:44:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25981 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19388 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:44:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.hnc.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS directory tree transfer? Message-ID: <1996Jan21.081558.71815@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Jan 96 08:15:58 MDT References: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone) writes: > Hi, > > I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and > Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). > File transfer between the two is fine. > > I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire > directory tree with all associated files between the two machines. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! ----------------- Well, as MSK and CK programs go, there isn't a built-in way of transfering directory trees. The reason is file systems differ a great deal between operating systems, so much that there isn't a neat algorithmic way of representing one on the other. FTP has no such capability either; at best a command parser (Unix shell, etc) gets the task of creating a single file listing stuff. Kermits can produce the same listing file via the command REMOTE DIR . Speaking as a person who does a lot of mirroring between systems, the problem is to get a directory listing of one directory from the remote machine, parse it locally knowing the kind of remote system, build a list of files to be moved, detect subdirectories in a dir listing and stuff those into another list of to-be-explored, and so on. Finally the dual list of files and remote directories to be visited is use to drive a get-file script. Such a procedure is quite messy, uses lots of memory in many cases (all those text strings), and requires that one end understand the syntax of directory listings of the other end. The better approach is to use a file archiving tool on the remote end which fully understands that end and compose a single resultant file for movement across the wire. Tools such as zip, zoo, arj, tar are common. Yes, that involves extra storage on the sending end. When the remote end is Unix one must deal with Unix-isms such as long filenames, symbolic links, and mixed case sensitivity. As I said, it's a really messy problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 04:51:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01807 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA28725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:51:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: "H. Young" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NAK out of windows Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:58:29 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX and 5A(191) in OS/2. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 10:01:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28515 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:01:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!ub!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan19.230128.71751@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jan 96 23:01:28 MDT References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner) writes: > In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... >> >>In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, >>Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >> >> . . . With WFW, I don't think >>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >>matter much since . . . . >> >>Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com > > Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? > I am on a network at work running WFW. > I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. ---------- It means you can't run two or more TCP/IP stacks at the same time over the same board, no matter what o/s. If you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack then that counts to the limit, ditto if you use MS' TCP/IP stack in WFW. The limit is one, naturally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 13:57:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24818 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:57:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:57:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <4e0mmk$qm1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com>, Edward Hatfield wrote: : I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite : happy there. With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same : cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. : : When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote : system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix : (with unix being the core of their box). From there I 'sh' down into : unix and invoke kermit as a server. : : Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands : or transfer files, nothing happens. : : I've tried: a) Various (if not all) parity settings. : b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. : c) Changing 'stty' settings : d) Changing flow-control and handshaking. : : The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets. : By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the : inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local : machine Never Gets it, it times out. : On which side did you log the packets? : I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my : resources. Any help at this point would be appreciated. Kermit is : the best! : Without seeing the packet logs, I would guess that: b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. is the most likely area of interest. First, make sure that you are not using the "control-character unprefixing" feature. Then the only control character you have to worry about is the start-of-packet character. Perhaps the regular one, Control-A (ASCII 1), has some special significance in the PICK environment. However, it seems from what you said that that the PICK side can *receive* regular packets OK, but evidently can not send them -- at least not all the way to the other end. So you would need to change the start-of-packet character in the PICK-to-AViiON direction. Suppose you want to change it to Control-G. Tell C-Kermit on the PICK end to: set send start 7 and tell C-Kermit on the AViiON end to: set receive start 7 That is, the one Kermit has to be told to send it, and the other must be told to expect it. If that doesn't do the trick, try some other control characters. If that fails too, send me packet logs from both Kermits by email. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 14:48:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29679 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Dobb's Date: 22 Jan 1996 19:47:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4e0pk9$rqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>, Jack Bowling wrote: > Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My > assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his > own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained > in one of the many flavors of Kermit? > Tim Kientzle wrote a book called "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols" and he wrote his own Kermit and XYZMODEM code from scratch. The Dr Dobbs article is a followup. The Kermit protocol was designed from the very beginning to (a) be extensible, and (b) allow sliding windows with selective retransmission. There is a difference between an abstract protocol specification and its implementation in software. The major performance issue in a sliding window protocol with selective retransmission is error recovery. There are many sorts of errors, and many possible ways to recover from each. "Which packet(s) should I retransmit?" and so on. These are not protocol issues, but implementation ones. The techniques used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have proven effective and stable in the real world for some years. As Tim points out, Kermit sliding-window transfers degrade quite slowly under conditions of increasing noise and/or delay. This is by design, and we verified it ourselves in the lab some years ago under controlled conditions. This is not to say that other strategies are not possible or that our own cannot be improved. But I think the important point is that the error recovery methods used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have been tested by millions over a broad range of connections and platforms, and whenever a situation arose that we did not handle well (or at all), we refined our techniques accordingly, and this has resulted in a stable base of code that works well in practically every situation. As new bottlenecks become evident, we will continue to address them, but by now I think most such advances in this area will qualify as "fine tuning" rather than "great leaps forward". In the meantime, thanks to Tim for publicizing some of the little-understood benefits of the Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 03:19:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03265 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:19:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!ulowell.uml.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HP3000 Kermit ? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:10:25 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial call to another system? Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 03:57:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05659 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17203 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:57:05 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: P rz stuck at end of download X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:58:10 GMT Lines: 23 I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet). So far I've tried varying the commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is transferred. Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network environment with OS/2 C-Kermit? Do I need to do anything else before starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? The sz macro DOES work on both a serial connection and via TCP/IP. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@hawaii.ampr.org -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDpucoAAAEEAOfUAzqw0S75ZG/4RPZrgCF2A3sL1Kewe/lJvtbqchHxhM3p nRQveA7PE7Q9WgF7Qou6eKCQxnh6hmyYLYffA5oEf/Mqs/01EAeKXVJzWRjnfVq5 vR7KI38MXxJSI31zM5NCjsF7XnTjXbIgIg/762JuhCDTvEJZQbNOu2U3dgx5AAUT tCtBbnRvbmlvIFF1ZXJ1YmluIDx0b255QG1wZy5waHlzLmhhd2FpaS5lZHU+ =V2Ik -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 04:02:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06228 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA17299 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:02:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC Connection Problems Date: 22 Jan 1996 21:50:18 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 486 stand alone PCs). Thanks in advance, Rich GOdlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 10:47:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12630 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11503 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS directory tree transfer? Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4e2vun$b78@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, Remington Stone wrote: > I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and > Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). > File transfer between the two is fine. I have not been able to figure > out a way to transfer an entire directory tree with all associated files > between the two machines. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a utility, XSEND, that will do this for you in the PC-to-UNIX direction. With some work, it could also be made to work in the other direction too. Look in the UTILS subdirectory, read the XSEND.HLP file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 10:54:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13486 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:53:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4e30al$bbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner wrote: : In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... : > : >In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, : >Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: : > . . . With WFW, I don't think : >there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't : >matter much since . . . . : : Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? : I am on a network at work running WFW. : I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. : No, it does not mean you can't run Kermit if you are using WFW. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file, NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, that explains how to do it. Quoting from Chapter 8 of that file: Steps to follow after installing network support in WFW v3.11. This presumes that WFW owns the network adapter (Situation 1 above). 1. Ensure that both PROTMAN.EXE and PROTMAN.DOS are in the WFW directory. You may have to uncompress them from the WFW distribution media. Copy files DIS_PKT9.DOS and WINPKT.COM there too. 2. Edit PROTOCOL.INI to insert the [pktdrv] section as shown below. Changes to the intvec= and novell= lines are permitted. An NE2000 NDIS v2 board driver, MS$NE2000, is used in this example: [pktdrv] DriverName=PKTDRV$ bindings=MS$NE2000 intvec=0x63 novell=no 3. Edit SYSTEM.INI [network drivers] section to add ",DIS_PKT9.DOS" to the transport= line, and to ensure an NDIS v2 netcard= driver has been given. Please do not confuse this transport= line with a similar one in the [enhanced] section; the [enhanced] section refers to 32-bit protected mode material. An NE2000 board is used in this example. [network drivers] devdir=C:\WFW LoadRMDrivers=Yes transport=ndishlp.sys,*netbeui,dis_pkt9.dos netcard=ne2000.dos 4. Before starting Windows issue DOS commands (once only) NET START WINPKT \x060 0x63 (example interrupts) The first command energizes the NDIS V2 handlers, and the DIS_PKT9 banner should be displayed ending with the Ethernet address of your board. NET.EXE is in the WFW directory; also see next paragraph. The second command starts Windows helper shim WINPKT, and that needs the Packet Driver (DIS_PKT9) active beforehand. A comment on the line "LoadRMDrivers=Yes." NET START reads file SYSTEM.INI to obtain loading information, and the answer "Yes" tells it to run PROTMAN.EXE that loads the drivers with PROTOCOL.INI supplying details. If the answer were "No" then the Real Mode (RM) drivers would not be loaded or available. However, if "No" were stated then we could give command NET START NETBIND to run PROTMAN.EXE and get the same results as the "Yes" case. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 11:21:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16733 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12315 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:21:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 has problem with Microcom modem Date: 23 Jan 1996 16:20:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-ID: <4e31sk$c0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com>, wrote: : I just installed K95 (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my : Microm DeskPort Fast EP 28.8. : : Modem is configured as "microcom-at". Dialer fails when it tries to : initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry, : tried again, still no luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud : rate, flow control, etc. are ok. : Please do this: . Start K95.EXE (without the Dialer). . Give the following commands at the prompt: set modem type microcom-at set port log debug dial close debug . Send me the resulting debug.log file. : Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't : see a way of creating a custom modem configuration. : See item 22 in the BUGS.DOC file. Quoting: 22. SET MODEM commands in K95CUSTOM.INI have no effect (K) Symptom Modem customization commands added to K95CUSTOM.INI seem to have no effect when launching a connection from the Dialer, even though they do work correctly when when K95.EXE is started without the Dialer. Diagnosis The Dialer generates a SET MODEM TYPE command that is executed by K95.EXE after the K95CUSTOM.INI file is executed. The SET MODEM TYPE command reinitializes all of the SET MODEM modem parameters from an internal table, thus overriding the customizations you made in the INI file. Workaround Bypass the Dialer if you need to use customized modem parameters or a user-defined modem type. Cure Fixed in version 1.1.1. The fix was that the command list composed by the Dialer used to say: set modem type but in 1.1.1 and later it says: if not equal "\v(modem)" "" set modem type Thus you should be able to give commands like this in your K95CUSTOM.INI: set modem type microcom-at set modem command xxx yyy set modem command xxx yyy set modem command xxx yyy .... And then, when making a connection using the Dialer and with the "microcom-at" modem type selected in the Dialer, the "set modem" command should be skipped (since it was already set in K95CUSTOM.INI), and therefore the built-in modem commands will not be reloaded and therefore will not overwrite the ones you put in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. You can check what the Dialer is doing by adding the following command to your K95CUSTOM.INI file: set startup-file keep The command list that the Dialer constructs is stored in the file: \TMP\.INI In any case, we'll be able to handle this more expeditiously by direct email, so please follow up with me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:08:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22589 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:08:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NAK out of windows Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:08:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4e34lq$d30@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , H. Young wrote: : I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds : immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there : anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX : and 5A(191) in OS/2. : Please send a description of the kind of connection you have, along with packet logs from each end, to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:14:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23192 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HP3000 Kermit ? Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:13:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4e34vm$d6b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: : Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial : call to another system? : Yes. See the HP3000.DOC file that comes with HP3000 Kermit. There is no built-in dial command or modem support, so presumabely you would make a connection to the modem: set line set speed connect and then type the appropriate setup and dialing commands to the modem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:21:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24323 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:21:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:21:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4e35ei$dca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. : However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same : baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud : 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between : the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we : will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC : we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. : This usually means that conditions on the connection between the two modems were not good enough to sustain 9600 bps, and so they negotiated to a fallback speed. You need to configure your modems to keep their interface speed fixed at 9600 (or whatever), regardless of the connection speed. And obviously, you also need effective and instantaneous flow control between each modem and its computer, ideally RTS/CTS. So both modems and both copies of Kermit should be configured for RTS/CTS flow control. : We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in : mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware : for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard : 486 stand alone PCs). : The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. It comes with a file called KERMIT.BWR that should contain the answer to your question. If you are not using version 3.14, please upgrade. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 14:44:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12009 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA17093 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:44:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: P rz stuck at end of download Date: 23 Jan 1996 19:44:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e3dq1$glu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although >rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file >transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet). So far I've tried varying the >commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the >same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is >transferred. Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network >environment with OS/2 C-Kermit? Do I need to do anything else before >starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? There is a known bug in P 2.05 with regards to the timeout value at the end of a transfer. The transfer is complete. It is safe to Ctrl-C at this point. If you wait for 60 seconds or so it should Terminate. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 16:38:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26078 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:38:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cyanamid.com!news From: Bala Balakrishnan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage. Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:34:39 GMT Organization: American Cyanamid Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.173.27.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) I would like to see some script examples which uses kermit for non-interactive communication. I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux 9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC. When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM 3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it on the OS/2. At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and receive the file. I have been able to get this working after tweaking a lot of parameters. Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all. I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit in non-interactive mode. My email address is balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it? Thanks in advance, Bala. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 17:43:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04247 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:43:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage. Date: 23 Jan 1996 22:42:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4e3o9f$lcb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com>, Bala Balakrishnan wrote: : I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux : 9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC. When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will : automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM : 3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it : on the OS/2. At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and : receive the file. I have been able to get this working after tweaking a : lot of parameters. : : Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script : or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit : is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all. : The current version of HP-UX is 10.x, and the current version of C-Kermit for HP-UX is 5A(190). In fact, C-Kermit 5A(190) is part of HP-UX 10.0, by agreement between Columbia University and Hewlett Packard. Earlier releases of HP-UX included an ancient version of C-Kermit, 4E(072), which, unlike the current version, does not have a script programming language. So first you will need to install the current version of C-Kermit on your HP-UX system. See our Web page for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Use one of the HP-UX 9.0-specific makefile entries. : I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit : in non-interactive mode. : Three chapters of the manual, "Using C-Kermit", are devoted to script programming. This applies to both the HP-UX version and the OS/2 version, as well as to many others. For information about the manual, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html Also look at the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190) for some examples. : Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it? : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 19:26:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16635 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:26:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Message-ID: <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 96 17:47:19 MDT References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. > However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same > baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud > 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between > the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we > will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC > we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. No thoughts since it's a pure modem to modem effect. When the modems do connect it is at the same telco rate (and must be for them to converse). The PC bus side can operate at a different rate, and we suggest locking the modems to a higher (say 38400) interface rate. > We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in > mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware > for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard > 486 stand alone PCs). It means what it says: there is something not quite right with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an IRQ conflict. Joe D. > Thanks in advance, > Rich GOdlewsky > Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 21:05:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26091 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA27823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:04:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!nordwest.pop.de!uniol!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.unibw-muenchen.de!news From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:08:14 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: >> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in >> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware >> for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard >> 486 stand alone PCs). > > It means what it says: there is something not quite right >with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation >has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an >IRQ conflict. This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt again, and then everything would be OK, usually. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 22:17:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02415 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:16:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.interlog.com!winternet.com!ppp-67-43.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:28:57 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-67-43.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Peter Schmolck writes: >From: Peter Schmolck >jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >>In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky >76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: >>> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in >>> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware >>> for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard >>> 486 stand alone PCs). >> >> It means what it says: there is something not quite right >>with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation >>has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an >>IRQ conflict. >This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a >discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care >about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt >again, and then everything would be OK, usually. If it works the second time the command is invoked, it means you are running under Windows. Windows is mucking with the ports and thinks another program is using it. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 02:55:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24229 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA05385 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:55:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:36:32 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3105a2fc.117372943@128.230.1.4> References: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial3-169.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) wrote: >I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred >files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a >command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? I read in "Using CKermit ..." that telling UNIX CKermit to "set file names converted" will cause it to convert the names to lower case upon receiving. Also, the SEND command allows specifying a remote file name. Kermit's \Flower() function allows you to change everything to lower case. You could: send filename.ext \Flower(filename.ext) or, in macros where a file name is given as an argument, send \%1 \Flower(\%1) - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 09:40:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27443 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA28056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:40:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tncnet.com!usenet From: MichaelManning Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup modem within KERMIT Date: 24 Jan 1996 07:13:48 GMT Organization: VisiCom Network Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wav95-94.atmnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am posting this for a friend. You may respond to any of the following: rdk@hnc.com mgm@hnc.com mgm29@wavenet.com My friend is using KERMIT to automatically dial into a couple of different sites and retrieve specific files. For some reason, he is unable to completely disconnect from the first site before dialing into the second site. The only way he has been able to get this to work is to cycle the power on the modem before logging into each site. Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang up the modem?? Here is a copy of the script he has been using: set modem hayes set line /dev/ttyb dial 4679508 input 42 \10 output connect\13 output \13 input 5 Host Name: output COMPUSERVE\13 input 5 User ID: output \13 input 5 Password: output \13 input 40 Enter choice ! output exit\13 output Ctrl-\c exit Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 13:24:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23340 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03996 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:23:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!news.spies.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: 24 Jan 1996 01:50:05 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e438d$d0p@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Gerry Jensen (gerry@blue.intele.net) wrote: : I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred : files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a : command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? set file names convert should "normalize" names for you. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 13:24:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23336 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:23:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!inteleNET!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: 23 Jan 1996 21:58:33 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 14:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02490 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06281 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brian Downing wrote: >I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also >Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with >MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space. It is currently defined as \32. It should be defined as \KNull. You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the line: SET KEY \1056 \Knull -- As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. Use the SHOW KEY command to test the definitions for each key. For instance, SHOW KEY followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI. This is the definition of M-x. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 22:24:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13447 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!fish.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit pine downloading script Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:11:38 -0500 Organization: GMIS, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantic-1.phl.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win16; I) Hello, Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? Thanks, Joe Gill E-Mail gilljb@pond.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 10:35:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12601 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:35:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit pine downloading script Date: 25 Jan 1996 15:34:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Message-ID: <4e87uj$grp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: >Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script >to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? > >From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 18 HOW DO I USE KERMIT WITH PINE? Here's a tip sheet we use at Columbia University - thanks to Joe Brennan. SCREEN FORMATTING Make sure that your UNIX terminal type agrees with Kermit's terminal emulation. For example, if Kermit is emulating a VT320, tell UNIX: export TERM=vt320 or: setenv TERM vt320 If there is a complaint about "terminal type unknown" when starting Pine, then try a lesser VT terminal model, such as VT220, VT102, VT100. PRINTING Pine's print command, letter Y, is known to work with MS-DOS Kermit and Mac Kermit. With MS-DOS Kermit, if the printer is directly attached, it should make the printer print the selected email message. With Mac Kermit, it should send the selected email message into the printer buffer, which can be seen in the Printer window, and which can be printed using the print command in the pulldown File menu. The command ''pcprint'' on UNIX (*), which prints any text file, does the same thing as Pine's Print command. It may be easier to debug problems by running a command like ''pcprint .profile'' at the UNIX shell ($ prompt). (*) pcprint is a UNIX shell script: ---(cut here)--- echo -n '[5i' if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then cat else cat $* fi echo -n '[4i' ---(cut here)--- (Replace by a real Escape (ASCII 27) character. DOWNLOADING FROM PINE TO THE PC Use Pine's command letter E, Export, to copy a message into a file. This file will be created in your home directory on UNIX. Then it can be downloaded to your PC or Mac using Kermit. After you finish, remember to remove the now-unneeded file on UNIX, using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt. If you View a MIME-encoded message, Pine will ask whether to save it to a file with a name of your choice. Pine will decode the message and create the file in your home directory on UNIX. It can then be downloaded to your PC using kermit. MIME-encoded files are often binaries rather than plain text, so you should set kermit to transfer a binary file. UPLOADING FROM THE PC TO PINE Send email in plain text if possible. Save the document as plain ASCII text with the PC application that created it. Use Kermit to upload it to UNIX. Run Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and address your message as usual. Move the cursor to the Message Text area and choose control-R, Read File, and type the name the file (the copy on UNIX) to insert. You will see the file on screen, as if you had typed it. If it looks strange, it's not plain text, so start over. After you finish, remember to remove the now-unneeded file on UNIX, using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt. If you want to send a PC document, use Kermit to upload it, setting Kermit to transfer a binary file. Run Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and at the Attchmnt: header, type the name of the file (the copy on UNIX). Pine will encode it using MIME, and attach it to the end of any text you choose to type in the message. *Note*: with MIME or any form of encoding, you should determine whether the recipient of your message will be able to decode it. Plain text email (previous paragraph) can be read on any email system. (End quote) You can also use the printing method described above to save (append) a message to a PC file, by using MS-DOS Kermit's SET PRINTER command to redirect printer material to the desired file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 15:59:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19247 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:59:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.lth.se!merkurius.lu.se!ronneby.hk-r.se!news From: Andy Eskilsson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Swedish characters.. Date: 25 Jan 1996 17:33:06 +0100 Organization: University of Karlskrona/Ronneby Lines: 21 Sender: mpt95aes@ariel.pt.hk-r.se Message-ID: Reply-To: mpt95aes@pt.hk-r.se NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.pt.hk-r.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Url: http://www.pt.hk-r.se/~mpt95aes X-Newsreader: September Gnus v0.29/Emacs 19.30 The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..) Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ", a with *, and an o with ". When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T. Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke? /andy -- Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. Just walk by my side and be my friend. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 17:49:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00266 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:49:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Swedish characters.. Date: 25 Jan 1996 22:49:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4e91e2$r2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andy Eskilsson wrote: > The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the > people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating > with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the > moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..) > Do you have a Web browser? You can find out all about Kermit books at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html >Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to >read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ", >a with *, and an o with ". > As it happens, Kermit knows all about Swedish and many other languages too. >When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not >åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish >texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T. > That is because EMACS -- at least your copy of it -- is configured to treat characters that have their 8th bit set to 1 to be "meta" characters, i.e. commands. Meta-A (M-A in EMACS jargon) means "A" with its 8th bit set, which is the same as the EMACS command ESC-A. >Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke? > When you receive your "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, it will explain all about how to use character sets, but it doesn't tell you how to configure EMACS. First of all, you can't use 8-bit characters until EMACS 19 (or MULE). So if you want Swedish characters in EMACS 18.xx or earlier, you will have to use 7-bit Swedish ISO 646 "{", "|", "}", which Kermit also supports. Leaving EMACS aside, for the moment, however, all you have to do in Kermit is (assuming your PC code page is 850 or 437): For 8-bit ISO Latin-1: SET TERMINAL BYTE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 For 7-bit Swedish ISO 646: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET SWEDISH Your "special" Swedish keys should work correctly in both cases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 07:16:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17519 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:16:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Date: 18 Jan 1996 14:31:26 GMT Organization: Singapore MRT Ltd Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn77.ppp.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; I; 16bit) We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines at work. We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but no go! I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar problem and can help me narrow down the fault? TIA Robert PS: Would appreciate replies via email....thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 10:21:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22483 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA00079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:21:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Richard McAllister Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 26 Jan 1996 07:02:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 237.st-louis-2.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article , Brian Downing wrote: > >>I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta a >As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X. Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X to pop back to command mode? I looked in the docs for a way to turn that off but couldn't find it. Now, after using emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode, but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either. Instead, I get a short beep. Rich From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:05:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27999 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01229 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:05:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:05:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4eau3h$15e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg>, Robert Ong wrote: : We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines : at work. : : We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', : it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except : one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in : I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). : : I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but : no go! : : I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar : problem and can help me narrow down the fault? : Right, it's not Kermit -- at least not unless somebody has played a practical joke and inserted a key-setting file that maps all lowercase letters to uppercase. Perhaps, as you suggest, the Caps Lock key is stuck -- try swapping keyboards to see if the problem moves with the keyboard. Another possibility -- if this PC is coming in on a particular serial port -- is that the UNIX console device has some peculiar lower- to uppercase mapping in effect. Use "man stty" on your UNIX system to see all the possibilities here and how to undo them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:43:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02741 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:43:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.lth.se!merkurius.lu.se!ronneby.hk-r.se!news From: "Martin Ðberg" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source-code for kermit Date: 25 Jan 1996 12:48:59 GMT Organization: University of Karlskrona/Ronneby Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4e7u7r$h68@ronneby.hk-r.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyhawk.dme.hk-r.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Urgent!! Does anyone have the source-code for Kermit or another protocol to be used with the Motorola HC11? Preferably in C, C++ or assembler. I intend to use it point to point between two HC11's. Martin Aberg, University Karlskrona/Ronneby, Sweden email: t94ma@kna.hk-r.se, t94ma@dme.hk-r.se From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:58:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04730 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:57:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4eb16i$2dv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Richard McAllister wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X. >Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X >to pop back to command mode? I looked in the docs for a way >to turn that off but couldn't find it. Now, after using >emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode, >but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either. Instead, I get >a short beep. When you redefine the meaning of the Alt-x key, it can't also be used for the previous meaning. Use the Ctrl-] c combination to return to command mode when \Kexit is not defined to any other key. Then use the SHOW KEY command to see what the Alt-x and Alt-X keys are defined as. they should be \{27}x and \{27}X respectively. If not, send mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 19:55:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01945 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:32:36 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> Robert Ong writes: >We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', >it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except >one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in >I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). >I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but >no go! >I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar >problem and can help me narrow down the fault? Have you checked the machine for viruses? JamesS From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 19:55:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01950 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news From: Jozef Dodziuk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:26:19 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hodge.gc.cuny.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. -- Jozef Dodziuk, Ph.D. Program in Mathematics Graduate School and University Center (CUNY), New York, NY 10036 e-mail: jzdqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu (preferred), jozek@hodge.gc.cuny.edu tel: 212-642-2468, FAX: 212-642-2585 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 23:24:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19497 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:24:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!mix.com!sluggy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:34:01 -0700 Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 12 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> X-Posted-By: billy@usr5.primenet.com Joe Doupnik writes: > 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)? Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be a handy addition to MSK. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 08:15:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06925 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11989 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:15:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci4!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 96 11:20:54 MDT References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>, Jozef Dodziuk writes: > I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer > running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video > on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that > SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know > what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. ------- I recommend leaving SET TERM COLOR strictly alone when employing a mono display system. Recall that the host has to command reverse video, or you can say SET TERM SCREEN NORMAL or REVERSE (rather drastic). I don't have Linux, but watching over shoulders of others I gain the impression that it dearly loves to play with colors directly rather than a "reverse video" command. You can experiment locally with commands from this clipping from file msvibm.vt: CSI ? Ps;...;Ps h SM Set DEC mode, see table below CSI ? Ps;...;Ps l RM Reset DEC mode, see table below Ps Mnemonic Mode Set (h) Reset (l) 0 error (ignored) 1 DECCKM cursor keys application cursor/numeric 2 DECANM ANSI VT320/VT102 VT52 3 DECCOLM Columns +132 col 80 col 4 DECSCLM *Scrolling smooth jump 5 DECSCNM Screen, whole reverse video normal 6 DECOM Origin stay in margins ignore margins 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off 8 DECARM *Autorepeat on off 9 DECINLM *Interlace on off 18 DECPFF Printer term Form Feed none 19 DECPEX Printer extent screen scrolling region 25 DECTCEM Cursor visible invisible 34 DECRLM Writing right to left left to right 35 DECHEBM +++Invoke macro: KEYBOARDS KEYBOARDR 36 DECHEM ++++Hebrew encoding Multinational Hebrew NRC 38 n/a Graphics (Tek) ++graphics text 42 DECNRCM Nat Repl Char enable disable 66 DECNKM Numeric keypad application numeric 68 DECKBUM *Typewriter data process typewriter + Horizontal scrolling. See comments on EGA boards. ++ Ignored if DISABLE TEK has been given. +++ VT320 DEC supplements for Hebrew systems adapted from VT420-Hebrew terminals, invokes a new keyboard map. Kermit invokes macros above. ++++ Macros TerminalR/S have been removed in v3.13. (SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET must be given to employ DEC National Replacement Characters. Enabling NRCs replaces G0..G3 chars sets with the NRC set and disables 8-bit controls; disabling only re-enables 8-bit controls.) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 11:14:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18561 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01772 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:14:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!nebulon.demon.co.uk From: pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk (Phil Daws) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scheduling Jobs Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:43:59 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: nebulon.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nebulon.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.179 I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a specified time. Is such thing available ? regards , ---------------------------------------------------- | Phil Daws, UK E-mail : pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 14:33:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03069 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:33:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scheduling Jobs Date: 27 Jan 1996 19:32:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4edul4$82v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk>, Phil Daws wrote: : I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will : allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a : specified time. Is such thing available ? : Yes - MS-DOS Kermit. Obtain the software and the manual, read the chapter on script programming that contains examples for doing just that. Full product info on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 14:49:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04338 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.microsoft.com!news From: erich@microsoft.com (unknown) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 hangs Date: 26 Jan 1996 13:10:42 -0800 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 24 Sender: erich4@ERICH4.microsoft.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.55.93.22 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 prompt. Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly. What might I be doing wrong? Please respond via email, as I don't regularly read this newsgroup. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 15:12:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06056 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09530 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 27 Jan 1996 11:40:43 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 27 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In-reply-to: bsd@panix.com's message of 27 Jan 1996 08:39:08 -0500 To: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 In article bsd@panix.com I wrote: ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-x ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-x Obviously I meant ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-y ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-y I didn't cut and paste from window to window so I messed up the comments when I typed and then cut/paste w/emacs. -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 15:37:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07841 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 27 Jan 1996 20:36:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , unknown wrote: : I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation : instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics : modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly : to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. : Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I : expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all : those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only : 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed : to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 : prompt. : Obviously, that's not what's supposed to happen, and not what normally happens, and (:-) it doesn't happen here. It sounds like the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict, whose results can be unpredictable but generally result in an application being able to send to the port but not read from it. COM2 is typically on IRQ 3, and normally that's safe. Are you sure nothing else is on IRQ 3? In a similar vein, is it possible that another process -- a fax receiver, perhaps -- woke up at that moment and grabbed the port away from K95? This can happen because the TAPI interface, which (among other things) prevents this sort of thing, is not yet operational. Until it is, the safer course is to shut down any apps that are hanging on the same port before starting K95. Is the problem reproducible? If so, does the echoing stop at the same place every time? Another possibility involves the ATZ command. Experience has shown that, in many modems, particularly internal ones, the ATZ command can generate spurious interrupts or other special effects. What happens if you skip the ATZ command? Finally, what happens if, instead of CONNECTing and typing commands at the modem, you use the built-in DIAL command (or launch K95 from a Dialer entry)? If that works, then I would say there is a disagreement between the modem's settings and K95's. When you DIAL, K95 issues a series of commands to put the modem into the appropriate modes, to agree with its own settings (flow control, etc), thus automatically eliminating confusion and mismatches. : Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and : then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly. : MS-DOS Kermit is a lot "closer to the metal" than Kermit 95, which goes through the Microsoft 32-bit drivers and APIs. : What might I be doing wrong? : If none of the suggestions above helps, please contact me directly and we'll figure it out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 17:45:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20223 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13469 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:45:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 27 Jan 1996 15:39:14 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4ee623$bmm@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner wrote: >> >> . . . With WFW, I don't think >>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >>matter much since . . . . >> >Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? > >I am on a network at work running WFW. >I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. Not if you are using WFW's TCP networking at the same time. If you only use ipx or netbeui transports for WFW, you can probably hook the ndis-packet driver shim to your ndis driver and run packet driver apps (only) over tcp. Or, add another ethernet card with a different ip address for packet driver use... However, there are several telnet programs that will work over winsock, including the one that comes with WFW's tcp and the free EWAN. Most systems that allow telnet access will also let you use ftp, logging in with your own name and password, and ws_ftp has a fairly painless interface. If you really feel the need to use the kermit protocol over tcp from WFW, look at the programs in ftp.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/. They don't include scripting, though, which is my primary reason for using kermit so I tend to stick to a unix version of kermit for real work and just telnet there if I happen to be on some other platform. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:22:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23690 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!vyzynz!inteleNET!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: automatically delete files after download? Date: 26 Jan 1996 21:08:02 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards (e.g. get *.*). I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted immediately after it is downloaded. Is there a way to do this? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:27:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23950 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: Fauvel Gino Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 26 Jan 1996 23:48:24 GMT Organization: Francenet -- Paris, France Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ebp88$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp53.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: joe@colsys.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81106 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4561 I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. my addres is indy3@micronet.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:27:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23948 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14516 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: Fauvel Gino Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 26 Jan 1996 23:47:06 GMT Organization: Francenet -- Paris, France Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp53.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: joe@colsys.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81105 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4560 I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. my addres is indy3@micronet.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:53:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25866 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15478 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:53:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automatically delete files after download? Date: 27 Jan 1996 23:53:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4eedtb$f3k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: >I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards >(e.g. get *.*). I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted >immediately after it is downloaded. Is there a way to do this? > The new version, 5A(192), which isn't released yet, lets you do this. The new commands are MOVE and MMOVE, which you would use in place of SEND and MSEND. These commands ensure that the source file is deleted only if it was sent successfully. Version 5A(192) of C-Kermit, in an alpha-test form, can be found in the kermit/test tree on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:57:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26288 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:57:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 27 Jan 1996 08:39:08 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 41 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In-reply-to: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: In article , Brian Downing wrote: >I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also >Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with >MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space. It is currently defined as \32. It should be defined as \KNull. You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the line: SET KEY \1056 \Knull This fixed my Ctrl-Space marking, thanks! As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. Use the SHOW KEY command to test the definitions for each key. For instance, SHOW KEY followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI. This is the definition of M-x. I found the Meta-Alt problem. In the new emacs.ini Alt-y is being set to Meta-x as well as Alt-x. Since the Alt-y line follows it supercedes the definition. ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-x ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-x -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 19:51:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01223 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA16702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:51:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 28 Jan 1996 00:50:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4eeh8h$g9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81110 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4564 In article <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr>, Fauvel Gino wrote: >I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. >my addres is indy3@micronet.fr > Yes, there is a new 32-bit version of Kermit for Windows 95 and NT. For information about it, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html on the Web, or if you don't have a Web browser, see: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/READ.ME - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 20:47:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05960 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:47:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 27 Jan 1996 12:03:13 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ee0e1$an7@crl.crl.com> References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>, Jozef Dodziuk wrote: >I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer >running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video >on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that >SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know >what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. I used to use almost that exact setup and had the same problem. At least I thought it was either inverse or underlining in herc-mono. After talking on this group I was told it was a known problem with 3.13. By version 3.14 patch 3 for sure had it fixed. If you are not at this revision, probably try upgrading then... the price is not bad. \:-) Randy. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 23:13:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16282 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:13:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:54:46 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ecass$g8c@news.halcyon.com> References: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm0-ip9.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) wrote: >Howdy All, > I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...) > I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and... >... on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. > When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote >system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment .... From there I 'sh' down into >unix and invoke kermit as a server. > Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands >or transfer files, nothing happens. I just wanted to post and let any NG Lurkers out there (like myself) to know how this all worked out. I found out by using debug logs comparing a good command and logs made on the PICK.vs.AViiON that the problem lay in 'ttol' when trying to write to file descriptor zero. Also 'echo Hello 1>&0' should have said 'Hello' on the PICK side and didn't. At this point I gave up. BUT Frank didn't (Loud Applause)! Frank suggested 'make clean' to start fresh on the PICK side and then 'make xxxx "KFLAGS=-DNOFDZERO"' to get around the zero file descriptor problem. And it worked GREAT! Thanks for all your help and thanks for Kermit. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 15:06:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29094 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25833 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:06:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: paste in K95 ? Date: 28 Jan 1996 20:05:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4egkv4$p74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: >I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program >such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the >toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? >I must have missed something very obvious. There is a bug in Win95's CONAGENT.EXE that prevents the use of the Toolbar Paste with 32-bit Console Apps. Instead use the Shift-Insert (\KPaste) key in K95. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 15:38:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01983 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:01:40 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: paste in K95 ? Message-ID: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:30:31 GMT Lines: 6 I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? I must have missed something very obvious. I tried to do the same in hyperterminal but have data over run problem. Thank you for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 20:22:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21968 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: paste in K95 ? Date: 28 Jan 1996 20:35:38 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4egmmq$28d@hustle.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold Hua Deng (deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) wrote: : I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program : such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the : toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? If you have set "mouse on" in the keyboard tab for the K-95 dialer, you should be able to double-click the right mouse button to paste clipboard text into a K95 terminal session. I go back and forth from K95 to other apps using the K95 left-button drag to copy to the clipboard, and double-click right to paste text. I avoid using the auto-paste feature of CTRL-left drag, because I sometimes wind up with the wrong text dribbling into the selected area ;-), my fault, not Kermit's, but annoying, none the less. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 00:48:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12145 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09647 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:48:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news2.aus.sig.net!usenet From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:55:51 GMT Organization: @sig.net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> Reply-To: ami@sig.net NNTP-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" instead of "012395". My K95 was version 1.1, so I installed the 1.1.2 patch, but still got the same result. I get the shifted symbols on the Kermit command line too, not just in connect mode. Anybody else or is it just me? Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 01:11:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14694 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10363 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:11:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 29 Jan 1996 12:37:54 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article , unknown wrote: : I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation : instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics : modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly : to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. : Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I : expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all : those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only : 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed : to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 : prompt. Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95 prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail. Currently I'm back to using 3.14 and waiting on the new GUI version. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 02:12:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19230 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:12:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 29 Jan 1996 07:11:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ehrvr$b34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: >In article , >unknown wrote: > >Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95 >prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution >mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail. >Currently I'm back to using 3.14 and waiting on the new GUI version. > What type of flow control are you using? Do you have a FIFO UART? there is a known problem with win95 xon/xoff flow control that produces affects close to what you describe. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 02:22:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19933 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11493 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:22:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 07:22:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ehsj5$b71@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: >I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old >program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper >case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter >some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the >numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" >instead of "012395". this is not a bug in K95, but a bug in Microsoft's CONAGENT.EXE. CONAGENT.EXE is the program that allows Win32 console applications to execute under Windows 95. The problem appears to be in the char code mapping algorithms. Unfortunately, this one will have to be fixed by Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 05:19:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01957 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA13705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:19:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.ingr.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 05:54:09 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) wrote: : I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old : program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper : case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter : some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the : numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" : instead of "012395". >From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution: .6. Keyboard Scan Codes (M) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 11:16:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05988 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:16:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4eirs7$6op@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : ... : From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution: : ... : More seriously, Windows 95 returns returns the shifted version of : non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you : press the "2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@" : instead of "2". This is a Window 95 bug. The same code under Windows : NT returns the correct values. : : This bug doesn't seem to affect Notepad.exe or MSDOS windows. : That's because Notepad is not a console application, and because the DOS window -- which is a console application -- does not read scan codes. There is nothing Kermit, in its present form, can do about this. If Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't guess what the right one would have been -- especially when you consider the multiplicity of keyboards in the world: who knows what's underneath the Florin sign on a Flemish keyboard? (Don't answer :-) If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will be fixed in Kermit. The same is true of the 132-column glitch and some other glaring problems, the category (M) ones in BUGS.DOC. Meanwhile, we are well into converting Kermit 95 to a full GUI application with no dependence at all on the console subsystem, which will make the Caps Lock and 132-column problems (but not the Xon/Xoff one, which affects ALL Windows apps) go away and, obviously, have lots more benefits too. Watch this space and our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 20:57:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12955 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA22242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:57:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!atha!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:43:01 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 105 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 (Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the distribution.) MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal). Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca. 29 Jan 1996 key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Space 313 825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897 BackSpace 270 782 127 127 Enter 284 796 1308 1820 Escape 257 769 1281 1793 Tab 271 783 ScrLock 1280 1792 3443 Numeric KeyPad. NumLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes. key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Up 328 840 Down 336 848 Left 331 843 1395 1907 Right 333 845 1396 1908 Home 327 839 1399 1911 End 335 847 1397 1909 PgUp 329 841 1412 1924 PgDn 337 849 1398 1910 Ins 338 850 Del 339 851 NumPad+ 334 846 NumPad- 330 842 NumPad5 844 Function Keys key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- F1 315 852 1374 1886 2408 2920 3432 3994 F2 316 853 1375 1887 2409 2921 3433 3995 F3 317 854 1376 1888 2410 2922 3434 3996 F4 318 855 1377 1889 2411 2923 3435 3997 F5 319 856 1378 1890 2412 2924 3436 3998 F6 320 857 1379 1891 2413 2925 3437 3999 F7 321 858 1380 1892 2414 2926 3438 4000 F8 322 859 1381 1893 2415 2927 3439 4001 F9 323 860 1382 1894 2416 2928 3440 4002 F10 324 861 1383 1895 2417 2929 3441 4012 Letters. CapsLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes. key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- a A 97 65 1 1 2334 2846 3358 3870 b B 98 66 2 2 2352 2864 3376 3888 c C 99 67 3 3 2350 2862 3374 3886 d D 100 68 4 4 2336 2848 3360 3872 e E 101 69 5 5 2322 2834 3346 3858 f F 102 70 6 6 2337 2849 3361 3873 g G 103 71 7 7 2338 2850 3362 3874 h H 104 72 8 8 2339 2851 3363 3875 i I 105 73 9 9 2327 2839 3351 3863 j J 106 74 10 10 2340 2852 3364 3876 k K 107 75 11 11 2341 2853 3365 3877 l L 108 76 12 12 2342 2854 3366 3878 m M 109 77 13 13 2354 2866 3378 3890 n N 110 78 14 14 2353 2865 3377 3889 o O 111 79 15 15 2328 2840 3352 3864 p P 112 80 16 16 2329 2841 3353 3865 q Q 113 81 17 17 2320 2832 3344 3856 r R 114 82 18 18 2323 2835 3347 3859 s S 115 83 19 19 2335 2847 3359 3871 t T 116 84 20 20 2324 2836 3348 3860 u U 117 85 21 21 2326 2838 3350 3862 v V 118 86 22 22 2351 2863 3375 3887 w W 119 87 23 23 2321 2833 3345 3857 x X 120 88 24 24 2349 2861 3373 3885 y Y 121 89 25 25 2325 2837 3349 3861 z Z 122 90 26 26 2348 2860 3372 3884 Digits and Punctuation key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 0 ) 48 41 2433 2945 3457 3969 1 ! 49 33 2424 2936 3448 3960 2 @ 50 64 1283 1795 2425 2937 3449 3961 3 # 51 35 2426 2938 3450 3962 4 $ 52 36 2427 2939 3451 3963 5 % 53 37 2428 2940 3452 3964 6 ^ 54 94 30 30 2429 2941 3453 3965 7 & 55 38 2430 2942 3454 3966 8 * 56 42 2431 2943 3455 3967 9 ( 57 40 2432 2944 3456 3968 Punctuation key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ' " 39 34 ` ~ 96 126 , < 44 60 . > 46 62 / ? 47 63 ; : 59 58 - _ 45 95 31 31 2434 2946 3458 3970 = + 61 43 2435 2947 3459 3971 [ { 91 123 27 27 \ | 92 124 28 28 ] } 93 125 29 29 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 21:47:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16462 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:47:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.acs.ryerson.ca!news.acs.ryerson.ca!not-for-mail From: jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (CNED/F94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reverse video problem Date: 29 Jan 1996 17:16:03 -0500 Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4ejgv3$7qhe@hopper.acs.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.117.101.8 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] After I've completed the log-on to one of my servers, and get my UNIX prompt, it's in reverse video. I've made sure that both sides are talkinf the same terminal, and I have no funny things going on in 'set term color' etc... Doing seems to cure it, although on every second odd numbered sunday, programs like tin, and pine pop everything into reverse video again, sometimes with ANSI-type escape codes visible. Any suggestions. My system operators says it's my problem, not his. Jon -- J. D. Verne From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:46:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25849 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26577 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:55:38 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 8 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > Ctrl-Space. > SET KEY \1056 \Knull 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very useful then :-( From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:46:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25854 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14? Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:57:44 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 4 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a feature request to the development team. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:47:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25934 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:47:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!atha!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup modem within KERMIT Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:46:52 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 10 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: MichaelManning's message of 24 Jan 1996 07:13:48 GMT To: rdk@hnc.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 In article <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> MichaelManning writes: > Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang > up the modem?? What the "hangup" ^]h command does is to drop DTR, which should force the modem to also hangup. If this doesn't work, use the ATHANGUP macro from MSKERMIT.INI which sends to the modem +++ ATH0\13 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 01:35:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06177 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA29837 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:35:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 30 Jan 1996 06:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4eke7r$t4b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: >In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >> Ctrl-Space. >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull > >1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). >And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very >useful then :-( My post was in response to a question about Kermit-95 not MS-DOS kermit. No, they don't use the same scancodes for every key combination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 03:16:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13309 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA01878 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:16:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!newsfeeder.ust.hk!nntp.hk.super.net!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!norconnect.no!news.seinf.abb.se!erinews.ericsson.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!news.ping.at!usenet From: felix@ping.at Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP ! Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:51:57 GMT Organization: ping - Personal InterNet Gate Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: p211.ping.at X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello friends, I have a real urgent question: WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server) please help me soon ! many thanks, felix ps: my email-address is felix@ping.at From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 09:11:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12193 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23556 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:11:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP ! Date: 30 Jan 1996 13:57:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4el83c$kul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at>, wrote: >I have a real urgent question: > >WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT >running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server) > If you have a Web browser, point it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If not, anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. MS-DOS Kermit: kermit/archives/msvibm.zip (binary mode). VMS C-Kermit: kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp (text mode, read it and go from there) Please also purchase the manuals for each version. They are available in both English and German language editions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 10:17:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19699 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:17:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes Date: 30 Jan 1996 15:17:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4elcpg$9hd@banzai.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : (Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the : distribution.) : : MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal). : Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections : to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca. 29 Jan 1996 : : key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a : --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- : Space 313 825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897 : Thank you, Vladimir. In fact, this table already appears in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its translations), and it is also online in the archive as kermit/a/msvibm.key, dating from 1989. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 17:46:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14804 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:45:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!myntti!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and 132 character lines? Date: 30 Jan 1996 19:39:13 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: myntti.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character lines with a VGA card? Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 19:51:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29708 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:51:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 character lines? Date: 31 Jan 1996 00:51:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4emeds$bvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, Tomas Linden wrote: >I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a >Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 >character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a >problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character >lines with a VGA card? > Normally it is not possible -- it depends on the particular video board. See Section 12.5 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for details. In cases where the video adapter does not support 132-column text mode, MS-DOS Kermit can simulate it (somewhat slowly) by going into graphics mode, if you tell it to. This is explained in the same place. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 06:07:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19045 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24172 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:07:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:06:09 MDT References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >> Ctrl-Space. >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull > > 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). > And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very > useful then :-( ---------- Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the program. And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation). You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table approach, and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can and will differ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13852 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03645 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "safe" set control prefixed values ? Date: 30 Jan 1996 21:09:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix when sending binary data over unknown networks? I'm trying this, and having difficulties. Haven't sorted out the variables yet. set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13853 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03648 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and PCMCIA modem Date: 31 Jan 1996 08:38:00 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4emdl8$s79@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a Netcomm PCMCIA card modem installed in slot 2 of a Toshiba T4700CT laptop and configured as com2. Windows 95 detects and initialises the modem ok and Hyperterminal, the dial up networking and MS-Kermit 3.14 all work quite happily with it. K95 however doesn't see it and keeps insisting that it "can't open connection: com2" whenever I issue the "set port 2" command. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13854 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!newdelph.rtsg.mot.com!usenet From: "JonScot R. Atwood" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and binary ports Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:35:00 -0600 Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 22 Message-ID: <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oribi.cig.mot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) I am using kermit to connect to a device that expects binary data. However when I send the data to the device it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect to the same device via a socket connection and it works OK. However, I would like to connect via serial port. This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in this way. I have tried the -i option I have also tried the \X to send hex data They don't seem to help Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device that expects binary data? Am I doing something wrong? I am using kermit on a unix system talking to a port /dev/portx Please respond via email to atwood@cig.mot.com Thank you for your help, Jon Atwood From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:31:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07679 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:31:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:30:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4enueh$bm3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article , : Vladimir Alexiev writes: : >In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : > jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: : > : >> Ctrl-Space. : >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull : > : > 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). : > And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very : > useful then :-( : ---------- : Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios : reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the : program. And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation). : You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table : approach, and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can : and will differ. : Joe D. : When we added full key mapping to Kermit 95, we were dismayed to learn that the scan codes reported by Windows were not all the same as those reported to MS-DOS Kermit by the PC BIOS, and we recognize the confusion and inconvenience this is likely to cause. But Joe is right -- there is nothing to be done but swallow the pill. Any attempt to build in a detailed map of Windows scan codes to PC BIOS ones (to maintain compatibility with MS-DOS Kermit) would be futile. There are dozens, probably hundreds of different national and special purpose keyboards in the world, not to mention underlying BIOSes and drivers, and there is no way for the software to know what is printed on each keytop of each kind of keyboard. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:36:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08375 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12394 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "safe" set control prefixed values ? Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:35:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4enuoa$c2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix >when sending binary data over unknown networks? > >I'm trying this, and having difficulties. Haven't sorted out the >variables yet. > set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 > Add 255 and maybe 127. Perhaps also 14, 15, 16 (for PADs and the like). Plus whatever is the escape character for any terminal servers you are going through, such as ^^ (30) for Cisco. See the ckermit.upd (ckcker.upd) and/or kermit.upd (mskerm.upd) files for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:45:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09364 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13091 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and binary ports Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:44:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4env9b$cnq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com>, JonScot R. Atwood wrote: : I am using kermit... : Which Kermit program? Which version? On what kind of computer? With what operating system? : ... to connect to a device that expects : binary data. However when I send the data to the device : it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect : to the same device via a socket connection and it works : OK. However, I would like to connect via serial port. : This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in : this way. : I have tried the -i option : I have also tried the \X to send hex data : They don't seem to help : : Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device : that expects binary data? : : Am I doing something wrong? : I am sure that if you picked up the manual, you would easily figure out how to do what you want. The method depends on whether the device you are talking to supports Kermit protocol, and the nature of the connection. Is it transparent? Does it support any kind of flow control? If so, what kind? etc etc. The final answer is yes, Kermit is the tool you need, but it is not a simple tool because so many people need to use it to do so many different things, so you have to read about it. Assuming you are talking about C-Kermit on UNIX, the current version is 5A(190) and the manual is "Using C-Kermit". Details about each on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 11:35:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22541 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:35:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090915.72708@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:09:15 MDT References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 In article <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, billy@mix.com writes: > Joe Doupnik writes: > >> 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off > > How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)? > > Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals > getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or > set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be > a handy addition to MSK. ---------------- Why not leave it as DEC intended? SET TERM/INQ doesn't zap it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 11:37:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22761 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14? Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090713.72707@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:07:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after > pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old > behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a > feature request to the development team. ------------ The old approach is gone forever. Sorry. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 18:25:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12504 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:24:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!winternet.com!guitar.sound.net!echo!msp From: msp@echo.sound.net (Mark Petrovic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit connects, then Solaris 2.4 ttymon dies Date: 31 Jan 1996 16:56:09 GMT Organization: Sound Advice Limited's Internet Access for KC Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.sound.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris 2.4 that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call. Although kermit functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the affected port. Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in /var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that ttymon is respawning too rapidly. I see no such behavior if I, say, use tip to direct-dial the outbound call. What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the problem? Thank you. Mark S. Petrovic msp@sound.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 23:12:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10112 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:12:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.jersey.net!pipper164.jersey.net!swenzler From: swenzler@zeus.jersey.net (Stephen Wenzler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: True Windows version Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:11:54 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving SNJ - SLIP/PPP/SHELL Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pipper164.jersey.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit protocol engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can properly configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading feature. Thank you very much!! P.S. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well over Telnet connections at quite fast pace. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 00:15:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15361 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:15:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bingsun2-gw!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing with C-kermit Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:53 -0500 Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: br00031@bingsun2-gw This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes. Recently I installed linux on my pc. On my university account I use the pine mailer. Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command. I have used this successfully in dos/windows with mskermit. When I try to print while connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. "lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit. If it is please tell me how I fix it. Thank you From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 00:28:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16207 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07141 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:28:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> Date: 31 Jan 96 12:06:33 EST Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4599 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14294 We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens no matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log in, the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. Does anyone know what's going on for the first problem, and possibly a more elegant workaround for the second? --Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 01:24:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22654 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08424 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:24:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14, MS-Windows, Micro-Vax, ALL-IN-1 Date: 30 Jan 1996 10:21:50 GMT Organization: Singapore MRT Ltd Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn32.ppp.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi everyone, We are running MS-Kermit to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS. Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0. It still works but I now have a new problem: In MS-DOS: We execute Kermit with the -F .INI to connect to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function keys A-OK! In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN.INI to connect to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not work. The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is running in a smaller Window. Did we miss something? Where should I begin checking? TIA Robert From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 04:08:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA04637 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA11163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:08:49 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!vyzynz!xmission!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!zimmer!news From: stevec@CSUFresno.EDU (Steve Cosner) Subject: cmsg cancel Message-ID: Originator: stevec@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU Sender: news@CSUFresno.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: zimmer.csufresno.edu Organization: CSU Fresno References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:09:57 GMT Lines: 1 was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 04:56:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA08038 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA11914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:56:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 with IBM DSP/MWAVE modem ? Date: 1 Feb 1996 04:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi, I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)? It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows. I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa. Cheers! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 08:09:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18992 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA27177 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:08:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 with IBM DSP/MWAVE modem ? Date: 1 Feb 1996 13:08:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4eqe0k$qg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: > >Hi, > > I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the >IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)? >It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows. >I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point >but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa. I haven't used or seen the Multimedia Modem (PCMCIA). But C-Kermit works fine with the Mwave based modems built into the Thinkpad computers. OS/2 handles PCMCIA devices really well, so my expectations is that you would not have any difficulties. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:24:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12425 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14, MS-Windows, Micro-Vax, ALL-IN-1 Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:24:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4eqlv9$gia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg>, Robert Ong wrote: : We are running MS-Kermit ... : What version? The current version is 3.14. : ... to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS. : Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the : default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was : distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0. It still works but I now have a new : problem: : : In MS-DOS: We execute Kermit with the -F .INI to connect : to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function : keys A-OK! : : In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN.INI to connect : to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not : work. The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't : remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is : running in a smaller Window. : : Did we miss something? Where should I begin checking? : Well, since you are using different initialization files in the two cases, that is the most likely explanation for the different behavior. There is nothing about Windows that should affect MS-DOS Kermit's handling of function keys. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with the new APC mechanism to accomplish host-directed keymap switching -- as set up, for example, in the latest WordPerfect Kermit INI files -- then make sure your Kermit says "set terminal apc on". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:32:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13690 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17121 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:32:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: True Windows version Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:32:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4eqme8$gmu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stephen Wenzler wrote: : Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit : protocol... : Please don't say "Super Kermit". It's just Kermit. Somebody somewhere made up the term "Super Kermit" but it does not apply to anything. All modern Columbia University Kermits are "super" in the sense that they incorporates long packets AND sliding windows AND locking shifts AND control-character unprefixing AND recovery, etc etc. : ... engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm : wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can : properly configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading : feature. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well : over Telnet connections at quite fast pace. : Then you've already got what you need. The latest version is 3.14 and it works fine under DOS or Windows 3.x, and it is the only Kermit software we recommend or support for Windows 3.x. For autodownload, read section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:36:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14355 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17234 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit connects, then Solaris 2.4 ttymon dies Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:36:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4eqml9$gqc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net>, Mark Petrovic wrote: : I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris : 2.4 that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call. Although kermit : functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the : affected port. Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in : /var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that : ttymon is respawning too rapidly. I see no such behavior if I, say, use : tip to direct-dial the outbound call. : : What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the : problem? : Assuming you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the latest release for Solaris, please read Section 3.7 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:43:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15000 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4606 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14301 In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, Mike Richichi, Systems Manager wrote: : We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our : newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. : : First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" : twice on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens : no matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log : in, the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in : the tset -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. : When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks for the terminal type, Kermit sends it. Kermit's default terminal type is VT320. Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320. So either change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry. You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the "set telnet term-type" command. : Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a : man causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually : an inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and : Dig. Unix is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" : doesn't fix the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. : This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series. Of course all that is long forgotten. They think you are using a xterm or something. : The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at : least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your : display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. : Exactly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:55:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16327 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17611 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing with C-kermit Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:54:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4eqnoe$h67@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes. Recently I >installed linux on my pc. On my university account I use the pine mailer. >Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command. I have used this >successfully in dos/windows with mskermit. When I try to print while >connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. >"lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. >I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit. If it is please tell me >how I fix it. Thank you > UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not include a terminal emulator. The terminal emulation is being done by your console window, xterm window, or whatever other kind of window you are running Kermit in. Evidently it does not support the printer-related escape sequences. Maybe you can find another VT emulation window for Linux that does. The way to fix it in Kermit is a bit complicated. Off the top of my head, without any debugging or testing (which I'll leave to you): 1. Make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the current version. Make sure there is also a copy of it on the same computer that Pine is running on. 2. Tell your copy of Kermit (perhaps in your init file) to "set terminal apc on" (without the quotes). 3. I think (but I'm not sure) that Pine lets you configure the command to use for printing. Then it would be: kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish" (WITH the quotes), where xxx is the filename. Hmmm... There is a flaw in this, namely that it's not a file, but a message, and is probably being piped through standard i/o. But there is no way to tell C-Kermit's "remote print" command to read from standard input. So if you could configure Pine to give a series of commands like this for printing: kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish" this should achieve the desired effect. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 18:40:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13347 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:40:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!fish.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 09:05:25 -0500 Organization: GMIS, Inc. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific-12.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win16; I) Hello, Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system? I'v been trying with mixed result. I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT manual with; set terminal byte 7 set command byte 7 set parity none set handshake none set flow xon/xoff set case on I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password: prompt. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, Joe Gill E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com DEFINE \%p T, ; Dialing prefix - my modem requires the T as in ATDT comment DEFINE \%p T9, DEFINE \%n 5551212 ; ISP dial-in number - Phl DEFINE \%m HAYES ; Modem type DEFINE \%l LTA4: ; Serial line DEFINE \%u myusername ; Username DEFINE \%x mypassword ; Password set modem \%m set line \%l set speed 2400 set terminal byte 7 set command byte 7 set handshake none set flow xon/xoff :Redial set dial display on set dial speed-matching on set case on dial \%p\%n input 10 wanda login: ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet if success goto dologin hangup pause 10 goto Redial :dologin output \%u\13 ; Send user id input 5 Password: ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin output \%x\13 ; Send password define \%x junk ; Erase password pause 5 output who\13 output ls\13 output logout\13 pause 2 hangup exit From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 20:07:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22313 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:07:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS) Date: 2 Feb 1996 01:07:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ero3n$35e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: : Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system? I'v been : trying with mixed result. I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT : manual with; : ... : I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt : and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password: : prompt. : ... : dial \%p\%n : First of all, you should have an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here, in case the call was not successful. : input 10 wanda login: ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet : ... : output \%u\13 ; Send user id : input 5 Password: ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin : You also need an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here, to catch the case where the Password: prompt does not arrive in time. If it succeeds, you should wait a second before sending the password. UNIX flushes its typeahead buffer after issuing the Password: prompt but before reading the password (as a security measure), and so if you send the password too soon, it might be decapitated or lost. So insert: pause 1 here. : output \%x\13 ; Send password : define \%x junk ; Erase password pause 5 That should do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 20:51:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26208 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:51:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.microsoft.com!news From: erich@microsoft.com (erich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release" Date: 31 Jan 1996 19:36:14 -0800 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 41 Sender: erich@ERICH4.microsoft.com Message-ID: <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.55.93.22 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly helpful stack trace, either :-( Here's all I know: E:\k95>cdb -g k95 Microsoft(R) Windows NT Debugger Version 3.51 (C) 1991-1995 Microsoft Corp. CommandLine: k95 Symbol search path is: E:\1181FRE.WKS Executing E:\k95\k95.ini for WIN32... ?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.kdd ?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.knd Good Evening, smile! NTSD: exception number c0000008 NTSD: exception number c0000008 NTSD: !!! second chance !!! eax=c0000008 ebx=00000001 ecx=00002c01 edx=ffffffff esi=00000000 edi=000000d4 eip=77f74488 esp=0012fee8 ebp=0012ff38 iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na po nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0038 gs=0000 efl=00000206 ss:0023:0012fee8=c0000008 *** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x00062261 0x0005e382 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\ntdll.dbg 77f74488 8b0424 mov eax,[esp] 0:000> *** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x0005da38 0x00069b58 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\kernel32.dbg *** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for !KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38: ChildEBP RetAddr 0012ff38 77f67a2f ntdll!KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38 0012ffc0 77f1badd ntdll!ZwClose+0xb 0012ff60 004016c4 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40 0012ff80 0046e437 0x4016c4 0012ffc0 77f1badd 0x46e437 0012fff0 00000000 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40 0:000> quit: E:\k95> -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 23:52:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10169 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09039 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:52:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release" Date: 2 Feb 1996 04:52:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4es59n$8q9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>, erich wrote: >On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when >I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly >helpful stack trace, either :-( Excuse me. But when you refer to "Shell Update Release" beta, are you referring to the Shell Update that was placed on the Internet and The Developer's Network CD last August? If so, I would strongly suggest you remove it and apply Service Pack 3 before reapplying it. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 02:22:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23715 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA12853 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:22:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Win3x--K95? Date: 1 Feb 1996 20:49:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4er911$ml3@hustle.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Steve Cosner (stevec@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU) wrote: : My home setup requires me to connect to a Sun Unix server. K3.1 works : pretty well except backspace won't delete backwards. I know I can : redefine the backspace key, but is there a standard setup somewhere : for this type of connection? I connect to a SunOS 4.1.3 system with Kermit of various flavors. MSKermit 3.14, Unix C-Kermit 190, Kermit-95 1.2 My choice is to map the backspace key, although I could have done an stty on the UNIX side to accomplish the same task. I also map the function keys that exist on my PC keyboard, although they don't exist on a real vt100, and therefore don't exist in the default Kermit-vt100. >From my mskermit.ini (for MSKermit 3.14, if that matters (?)) define UKEY1 set key clear,set key \270 \008,set key \782 \008; BackSpace do UKEY1 ; to match (ESIX 4.0.4) vt100 extended function keys to PC keyboard. ; f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 f10 define UKEY2 set key \319 \27Ot, set key \320 \27Ou, set key \321 \027Ov, set key \322 \027Ol, set key \323 \027Ow, set key \324 \027Ox do UKEY2 ; -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 07:02:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03890 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Date: 1 Feb 1996 17:57:18 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this correct? Thanks cmosley From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 07:02:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03895 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23570 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!news.win.bright.net!news.jersey.net!pipper167.jersey.net!swenzler From: swenzler@zeus.jersey.net (Stephen Wenzler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a true Windows 3.x.... Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:19:18 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving SNJ - SLIP/PPP/SHELL Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pipper167.jersey.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hey! Is there a true Windows 3.x version of kermit at work so I may able to use it as a protocol engine for Windows communication program since I tried to use MS Kermit but it won't work since Windows flashed warning message that it can't let one program share the same com port also I tried to turn off the warning and it didn't work at all! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 11:30:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15089 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19317 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:30:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Jan31.204620.72899@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 96 20:46:20 MDT References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4615 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14330 In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes: > We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our > newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. > > First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice > on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens no > matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log in, > the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset > -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. Appears to be a bad termcap/terminfo system. You can see what MSK sends to the host if asked to identify a terminal type, by SET TCP DEBUG ON. It's nominally the string VT320 in upper case. With MSK 3.14 you can change that with SET TCP TERM-TYPE string. Best to fix the Unix box. > Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man > causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an > inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix > is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix > the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. It's the TERM item again. Apparently your machine has DECterm on the brain, the X window system thingy, and DEC broke emulation of the real hardware in providing 25 line support. My UnixWare machine has none of these problems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 11:32:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15320 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19358 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:22 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!matlock.mindspring.com!pecanpi!dlane From: dlane@pecanpi.atl.ga.us (David Lane) Subject: Re: Linux-Ckermit-Pine not printing Organization: Pecanpi, Doraville, GA, USA Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:04:42 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:98443 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4616 In article , wrote: >I connect via modem to my suns account using C-Kermit on Debian-Linux. >The mail reader I use is Pine. Pine has the ability to print my mail on >the printer attached to my pc at home. I have done this hundreds of >times with mskermit in dos/windows. This is not working in linux, with >c-kermit. When I issue the print command in pine the text is scrolled >across the screen, but is not sent to the printer. lpr filename works >fine so, I believe the printer is setup correctly. Does anyone have >any suggestion on how to make the "print to attached ansi" capabilty >work in this setup. Thank you > What's happening is that pine is sending the "Start Printing on Attached Printer" command, your mail, then the "Stop Printing on Attached Printer" command. These commands are defined to the terminal or emulator. MS-Kermit includes terminal emulation, whereas C-Kermit does not--it depends on the terminal support of either the Linux console device, or your Xterm, or whatever you are using for your Linux login session. For example, I could use a real terminal connected to a serial port (modem or direct connect) to my Linux box, dial from there into a site, say my Sun at work, and ask pine to print my mail. C-Kermit would pass the printing commands transparently and my mail would print on the printer attached to my terminal, not the printer attached to my Linux box. This is how it's supposed to work; I know it's not what you're asking for. I looked though the C-Kermit book [Using C-Kermit by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-108-0], and I didn't find anything much more than that. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is saving the mail to a file, downloading it, and printing it, or turning on the session log, telling pine to print it, turning off the session log, editing the log, etc. None of these strike me as particularly nice. I've added comp.protocols.kermit.misc to the newsgroup line, so more knowledgeable parties can help out. David. -- David Lane dlane@pecanpi.atl.ga.us lane@columbia.edu 76427.161@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 12:23:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21336 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20597 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:23:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 character lines? Message-ID: <1996Jan31.094814.72816@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 96 09:48:14 MDT References: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a > Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 > character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a > problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character > lines with a VGA card? -------- It's your IBM display adapter. If you check its docs I think you will find no mention of 132 column modes. You can replace the board cheaply these days, or you can use the horizontal scrolling capability of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 (described in the release notes, keyboard verbs \Klfpage, \Klfone, \Krtpage, \Krtone). SET TERM HORIZONTAL-SCROLL is available too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 16:21:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18005 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:21:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What am I doing wrong !! Date: 2 Feb 1996 17:25:19 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm doing sumthin stoopid... I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2 in myfile.ini I have: input 10 Username: output \%1\13 input 5 Password: output \%2\13 I then say: X BLOGGS SECRET and it falls over with nothing being output. is what I'm doing even a proper way of logging on ? Eoin Bairéad Dublin, Ireland From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 19:33:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07772 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tygra!rabbit From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get The MORTIMER Story Message-ID: <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Date: 2 Feb 96 11:57:15 GMT Organization: Shut Up Blair Lines: 38 This posting was made automatically by machine. It will appear once every minute or so. 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Write: Rabbits for a Better >>> Hutch, Roscommon, MI 48653 E-MAIL: rabbit@Buster.Michigan.COM From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 20:37:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13237 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:37:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Feb2.091610.135105@forest> Date: 2 Feb 96 09:16:10 EST References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 37 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4620 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14336 In article <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, > Mike Richichi, Systems Manager wrote: > When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its > terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks > for the terminal type, Kermit sends it. Kermit's default terminal type is > VT320. Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320. So either > change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry. > > You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the > "set telnet term-type" command. This I fixed by modifying the termcap file on the Unix system. > [discussion about Digital UNIX more writing explicitly to the 25th line > deleted] > > This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering > Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series. > Of course all that is long forgotten. They think you are using a xterm > or something. > > : The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at > : least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your > : display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. > : > Exactly. > > - Frank Well, it's a crappy feature, and a version of more from OSF/1 2.0 seems to fix it rather nicely... I think I will report it to Digital as a bug. If I tell you my terminal is 24 lines, I'm not telling you that so you can try writing to the 25th line. Duh. --Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 21:23:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17061 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA04438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PIF settings for kermit 3.14 Date: 2 Feb 1996 15:41:13 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] hi I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to the PC. I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in Windows, preferably NOT as a maximised window. And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in a Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 03:54:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA17182 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA12855 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:54:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 01:37:18 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: heiby.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with which I have never had any trouble. What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with a different file, again with these results. I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well. I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful suggestions or questions. Thanks! Ron. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 04:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19582 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:19:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.mail-news,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.stratus Subject: Monty Python, Flying Sheep, and Kermit (was Re: Searching Terminal for XT-PC) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 2 Feb 1996 16:54:06 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 67 Distribution: world Expires: 30 Mar 1996 22:11:22 EST Message-ID: <4eu15uINN4ad@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <4e3uol$jur@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <4eivvv$4q2@news1.wing.net> <4erosl$9mr@sun001.spd.dsccc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: modern Kermit implmentations can be fast Keywords: Kermit, terminal, protocol Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:8294 comp.os.msdos.apps:27634 comp.os.msdos.mail-news:4872 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4623 comp.sys.stratus:1815 In article <4erosl$9mr@sun001.spd.dsccc.com>, jmccarty@spd.dsccc.com (Mike McCarty) writes: > >>)Axel Schneider (schneid2@zeus.informatik.uni-bonn.de) wrote: >): >): I am looking for a terminal program, that is suitable for an XT >): IMB-compatible PC, can run under DOS 3.0 and fits on a 360kB Floppy >): Disk (no harddisk available). > > Kermit is okay if all you ever want to do is pretend to be a terminal. > But if you want to do general communications, it is terrible. File > down/upload are quite slow. Monty Python's Flying Circus once did a sketch about Flying Sheep. One character observed, "Notice that they do not so much fly as plummet." The old farmer leaned on his fence and explained, "Sheep are dim. Once they get an idea into their heads, there's no shifting it." A similar case has arisen with popular opinion concerning the Kermit file-transfer protocol. Unless you are a sheep (or a technical writer for a modem vendor), remember this: If you use Kermit correctly, it ain't necessarily slow. With a correctly done implementations of the modern Kermit protocol in place on BOTH ends of the connection, with both client and server given appropriate setup commands, Kermit transfers can be as fast as your modem will run. Three things contribute to the misconception: (1) Many host-system administrators have failed to install a new version of Kermit on their systems in the last 10 years. The older programs may not have support for long packets and sliding windows--the modern protocol features which increase speed. (2) The default tuning parameters are conservative, in the sense of wanting to make certain that SOME data transfer happens, even if slowly, despite possibly hostile communication conditions. Whereas other popular protocols take the attitude, "If I can't go fast, I won't go at all." (3) The instruction books for most new modems assert, with no reasons given, that "Kermit is slow". The writers, we assume, are not aware of issues (1) and (2). I'm typing this using MS-Kermit 3.14, the most recent Kermit program by Joe Doupnik for MS-DOS. It performs an excellent emulation of a DEC VT320 terminal and performs the Kermit file-transfer protocol with the speed-enhancing long packets, sliding windows, and prefix control. (And it fits on a floppy disk.) The latest C-Kermit program, by many authors, is available for many systems, including those running UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, OS/2, or Stratus VOS, and also implements those features. The World Wide Web site for Kermit is entered by this URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and performance issues are discussed in this section: -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "Plans fail for lack of counsel, ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | but with many advisers they succeed." ...Info-Stratus contact| Proverbs 15:22 NIV From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 04:24:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19929 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:24:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 2 Feb 1996 18:42:31 GMT From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Control: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 RABBIT spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 08:52:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15424 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA29508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni1.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Date: 3 Feb 1996 03:20:17 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com> References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni1.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote: : I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have : only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems : that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning : of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. : As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be : the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files : using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors : they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not : rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the : results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this : correct? : Thanks : cmosley p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 colors - even though cga colors are used. thanks again cmosley From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 12:48:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05412 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:47:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!newsfeeder.ust.hk!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!usenet From: Patrick Chan Woon Yeung Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 18:43:03 +0800 Organization: Automated Systems (HK) LTD. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.64.160.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) Hi When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message : C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b /dev/cua/b: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b However I can use the tip command to access this serial port. Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without changing the permission? Thanks for any help. -- __^__ __^__ ( ___ )--------------------------------------------------------( ___ ) | / | Patrick Chan Woon Yeung | \ | | / | Customer Engineer | \ | | / | | \ | | / | Automated Systems (HK) Ltd. -- Engineering Department | \ | |___| |___| (_____)-----------------Email: pchan@asl.com.hk----------------(_____) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 19:24:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06741 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA20371 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:23:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Message-ID: <1996Feb2.140636.73057@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 96 14:06:35 MDT References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have > only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems > that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning > of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. > As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be > the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files > using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors > they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not > rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the > results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this > correct? ------------ Sixel goes back in history further than PCs. In principle there is a palette of 256 colors to choose from, and 16 active on any screen. The DEC docs are vague whether one can, in fact, obtain more than 16 colors at once, but I have in inkling a VT340 might (no DEC color terminals here to find out). MS-DOS Kermit will not tinker with the palette registers of your display adapter, since they cannot always be restored properly due to broken video boards and because the screen may be shared, and it won't be sucked into the morasse of vendor-specific display maps and controller details. Thus MSK uses the fundamental 16 colors of EGA and VGA et seq display adapters. VESA has some nice standards, and vendors support some and ignore other features as they wish, per board. Many boards have VESA support only by loading a TSR Bios extender, even in this day and age. That means MSK is not going to charge into the VESA arena hoping that will be the way to fly because often it won't fly at all yet MSK will be expected to "do the right thing" with components available. In short, I'd prefer not to add more noticable bulk to the program to deal with complicated yet limited appeal situations. You can sense my bias that a "photograph" on PC display adapters is something of a crude joke unless one has a high end adapter, monitor, and the software to exploit both to the hilt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 04:31:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17881 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 04:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA01913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 04:31:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!cs113-2.u.washington.edu!user From: clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 19:43:47 -0800 Organization: University of Washington, Rural Health Research Center Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs113-2.u.washington.edu X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0b28 I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 generation PC. anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a machine that old... TIA, p -- Peter Clitherow, Rural Health Reseach Center, UW, Seattle, USA From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 05:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23046 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:58:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 4 Feb 1996 00:17:43 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In article , Peter Clitherow wrote: >anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >machine that old... Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even older than that... Marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 13:08:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29845 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA29590 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:08:36 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom12.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 06:07:43 GMT Lines: 15 In article <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) wrote: >In article , >Peter Clitherow wrote: >>anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >>appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >>machine that old... > >Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even >older than that... Quite so. Up until about 6 months ago, I was using 3.14 on an 8088 laptop that has no hard drive... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 14:44:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07507 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!tbeerley From: tbeerley@forest.drew.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Message-ID: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> Date: 4 Feb 96 11:49:03 EST Organization: Drew University Lines: 8 Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another application is busy with the audio. Tom Beerley tbeerley@daniel.drew.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 15:01:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08677 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02544 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!n5ial!wwa.com!tygra!not-for-mail From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Feb 96 15:26:16 CST Control: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Organization: Shut Up Blair Lines: 1 Spam Cancelled. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14871 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04523 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 4 Feb 1996 16:07:59 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd49-029.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. Question: How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14874 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set Port - Modem Communication Problems Date: 4 Feb 1996 16:03:15 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4f2lc3$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd49-029.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am using kermit to connect to an external modem (i.e., US Robotics 28.8 Data/Fax Sportster external modem). This modem is connected to com 2 of my PC (running Windows 3.11 & Dos 6.0). When I issue a "SET PORT 2" command I get the following warning: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS2 I found out through trail and error that I can not talk to the modem until I issue an AT command and another "SET PORT 2" command. Question: Is there a way to tell Kermit what Modem I am using prior to issuing a Port command or why do I need to issue a port command twice? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14876 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set Port & External Modems Date: 4 Feb 1996 17:57:33 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4f2s2d$1u0$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> I have a US Robotics 28.8 Data/Fax External Sportster Modem connected to my PC on Com Port 2. When I try to issue a "SET PORT 2" command I obtain the following warning message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS2 The only command I can Issue to the modem after this warning with out getting a modem not responding is an AT command. If after issuing an AT command I issue another Set Port 2 command I do not get the prior warning message and I can send any AT command to the modem. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong or what I should do before issuing the first AT command? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14878 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 4 Feb 1996 18:01:28 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k or 57.6k bps. How can I do this in kermit or is this something that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows Control Panel's PORT setting? Related Question: Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 23:02:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14846 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA14623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:02:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT emulating Tektronix 4010 Date: 4 Feb 1996 23:30:48 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not. Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 04:51:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12859 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 04:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA22018 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 04:51:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT emulating Tektronix 4010 Message-ID: <1996Feb4.180207.73164@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 18:02:07 MDT References: <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 In article <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the > Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation > there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL > GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode > instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some > SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not. --------- No, that board is not supported for graphics work. I have no such board here, no Microchannel equipment, and no documentation on the board. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 05:58:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA17090 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:58:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 05:35:00 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact me. Thank you for your time. ========================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov Email: ibelooze@runet.edu Public PGP key is available at http://www.cs.runet.edu/~ibelooze This message is sponsored by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 06:56:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11252 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Message-ID: <1996Feb4.140738.73154@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 14:07:38 MDT References: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes: > I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with > Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port > (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. > > Question: > How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe > SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and > not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? -------- Wrong statement, backwards. Only the modems themselves set the telco line rate. They typically negotiate it, as you can sense by listening to them hiss and whistle to each other. Please do read the manual for your modem. Also, please review the release documentation for MS-DOS Kermit which talks extensively about what's a COM port and typical problems. Remember, COMx does NOT MEAN a particular IRQ and port number. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 06:56:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11307 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Message-ID: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 14:11:40 MDT References: <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 In article <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states > that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k > or 57.6k bps. How can I do this in kermit or is this something > that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows > Control Panel's PORT setting? > > Related Question: > Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not > the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)? --------- Replying to the n-th version of this message. Are you running under Windows? If so Windows grabs the serial port and can produce this effect; complaints to Mr. Gates & Co. So can competing comms programs such as a FAX program. You'll have to poke about the machine to see what such competition might be. There is a fine book on MS-DOS Kermit which talks about these technical matters in every day terms. It's shown on the Kermit HELP screens. Please consider purchasing a copy. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 11:54:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28403 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4 Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:54:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4f5cnb$jeu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk>, Patrick Chan Woon Yeung wrote: >When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message : > >C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b: Permission denied >Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b > >However I can use the tip command to access this serial port. >Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without >changing the permission? > No, you have to change the permission either of Kermit or of the port and/or lockfile directory, and/or coordinate group and/or user IDs to allow access to the port & lockfiles with their current permissions, just like any other UNIX communications program, including tip itself. This is spelled out clearly in the installation instructions in the manual and also in the accompanying file, ckuins.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 11:59:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29008 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA20060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:59:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PIF settings for kermit 3.14 Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:59:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4f5d0q$jif@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a : VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to : the PC. I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in : Windows, preferably NOT as a maximised window. : Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (current version) diskette. In the WINDOWS subdirectory you'll find a KERMIT.PIF file. : And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in : a Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames. : Read about the ASK and ASKQ commands in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:04:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29779 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong !! Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:04:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4f5daf$jo4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I'm doing sumthin stoopid... : : I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC : : I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password : : then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says : kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2 : : in myfile.ini I have: : input 10 Username: : output \%1\13 : input 5 Password: : output \%2\13 : : I then say: : X BLOGGS SECRET : : and it falls over with nothing being output. : Sounds like you need a manual. "Using MS-DOS Kermit" explains all you need to know to do exactly what you are trying to do; in particular, how to pass parameters, and their scope and lifetime. Try this: : kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%u %1, define \%%p %2 : : in myfile.ini I have: : input 10 Username: : output \%u\13 : input 5 Password: : output \%p\13 : And yes, there are more elegant ways to do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:14:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01157 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20475 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:13:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:13:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4f5drn$jvh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>, Ron Heiby wrote: : I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 : 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS : window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a : ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a : serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with : which I have never had any trouble. : : What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, : and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most : part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt : to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, : after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a : "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect : that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be : further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several : times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with : a different file, again with these results. : This would not be happening unless you had told the file sender to set control unprefix 3 131 So tell the file sender to: set control prefix 3 131 to undo this effect. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:19:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01806 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:19:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:19:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4f5e65$k3s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Clitherow wrote: : I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's : looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 : generation PC. : : anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd : appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a : machine that old... : Au contraire -- the current version, 3.14, works fine on any 8088 or above with sufficient memory (several hundred K). Even in cases of insufficient memory, the current release is also available in a reduced-size version for just that purpose. We take care not to abandon those people who don't rush out and buy the latest computer and OS several times a year. Complete information on Kermit software is at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:23:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02244 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:23:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:22:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f5ed7$k7h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>, wrote: >Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while >running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses >audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another >application is busy with the audio. > No, Kermit does not take over the sound card. It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and your serial port. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:28:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02804 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20872 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:27:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: : : Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen : programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives : me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If : anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact : me. Thank you for your time. : What computer? What operating system and version? What Kermit program and version? What kind of connection? etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:32:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03493 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:32:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:32:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4f5ev1$kft@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: >: >: Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen >: programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives >: me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If >: anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact >: me. Thank you for your time. >: >What computer? What operating system and version? What Kermit program >and version? What kind of connection? etc etc. > On second thought... You are talking about the UNIX version of C-Kermit and you are trying to transfer a file through the GNU "screen" program. Sorry, you can't. From the C-Kermit "beware" (ckuker.bwr) file: C-Kermit will not work as expected on a remote UNIX system, when used through the GNU "screen" program. In this case, terminal connections to the remote UNIX system work, but attempts to transfer files fail because the screen optimization (or at least, line wrapping, control-character absorption) done by this package interferes with Kermit's packets. The screen program was not designed to allow file transfers to go through it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 13:09:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08010 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21959 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:09:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Message-ID: <1996Feb3.083812.73115@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Feb 96 08:38:12 MDT References: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>, heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) writes: > I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 > 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS That initial release was replaced by the 21 May edition and attendent patch files. Please see kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos, archive file msvibm.zip. > window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a > ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a > serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with > which I have never had any trouble. > > What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, > and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most > part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt > to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, > after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a > "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect > that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be > further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several > times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with > a different file, again with these results. > > I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the > DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the > transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well. > > I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a > fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful > suggestions or questions. ---------------- That "stray" Control-C effect isn't built into the Kermit software. If the DOS machine has IRQ/port conflicts wierd things will happen. If the serial port speed is set to very high speeds and the UARTs plus cable are not all they should be then bytes can be clobbered now and then, and some can end up looking like Control-C. If you have a virus or other helpful programs watching the keyboard then unusual results can happen. Do watch for comms outages resulting when disk cache programs dump large amounts of data to disk. And so on down the usual list of gotcha's. Direct serial communications requires adequate flow control between machines. That's conventionally XON/XOFF. RTS/CTS may or may not work, depending on whether your serial cable has all the wires it ought. Then there is the OS/2 side of matters. You controlled the file transfers from there, and trouble with serial comms could produce unusual effects too. I'm not an expert on OS/2 serial comms so I will leave detailed speculation to those who are. As a fallback, I would try with lower serial port speeds to unstress the comms link, and I would not try unprefixing control codes in Kermit packets. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 21:12:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04931 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA04759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:12:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Message-ID: <1996Feb3.082727.73114@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Feb 96 08:27:27 MDT References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 In article <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote: > : I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have > : only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems > : that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning > : of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. > : As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be > : the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files > : using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors > : they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not > : rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the > : results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this > : correct? > : Thanks > : cmosley > > p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color > constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert > sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when > set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 > colors - even though cga colors are used. ------------ HLS (hue, lightness, saturation) is a logical mapping to RGBi (red, greeen, blue, intensity). Standard VGA 256 color is video mode 13h, which has the crude resolution of 320x200. Kermit does not use that mode, though many games do, because it is unsuitable for technical graphics. You can read more about it, as they say, in source file msgibm.asm (see kermit.columbia.edu). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 15:05:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22844 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:05:53 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: >1 session w/telapi? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2 Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:30:16 GMT Lines: 9 Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through 4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box. When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I just get the same session - the first disconnects. Telapi is set to 2 sessions. I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't figure it out. Is there some trick ? -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 16:23:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02544 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21351 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:23:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!rothen From: rothen+@pitt.edu (Seth B Rothenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit transfers to IBM-370 Mainframe Date: 6 Feb 1996 16:52:09 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4f80vp$d2m@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs7.cis.pitt.edu I am trying to establish unattended file transfers between an IBM-370 Mainframe and a Sun Solaris 2.4 UNIX system. I am wondering if anyone is doing this, and if so how? We have connectivity of an sdlc link for SNA Peer-to-Peer which we are using for real-time communications. (I don't need info on Sun RJE software right now, as Sun gave up on that...they gave us our money back...) I am assuming I can take another port on my HSI card and connect it to another port on my 3725 Front End and Voila! The IBM Systems people want more information. My boss would very much like to know if there is a big company from which we can buy a maintenance contract. However, just one reference would be a nice start. Thanks Seth From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:08:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21533 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:08:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 6 Feb 1996 13:40:16 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4f7lo0$7bl@krel.iea.com> References: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) wrote: : I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with : Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port : (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. : Question: : How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe : SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and : not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? No it isn't The SET SPEED set the port speed. This is a common miss understanding problem. Now if you modem only allows speed matching to the port you have a problem. This isn't the case with USRs. You use commands to the modem (those AT thingys) to set the modem to not lock to the port speed. Of course I'm not a communications expert so this probably contains bad wording but the idea is there. I don't have my MS-Kermit INI file handy so I can't tell you what I use with my USR Sportser 14.4 but the port is at 57.6kbs and the modem handles the phone line stuff. This means when I call into work I get a 9600 connection at their end and when I call my service provider I get a 19.2kbs. On my Linux machine I think the port is at 19.2kbs or higher. This help or confuse? : Thanks in advance, : Rich Godlewsky : Sparta Systems, Inc. : 76412.156@compuserve.com Rod andersr@comtch.iea.com -- Please don't tell my mother I work for the government. She thinks I play piano in a bordello. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:27:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23334 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: Compressed Text prob X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2 Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:14:40 GMT Lines: 19 I have used the compressed text feature of 3.14 on a Diamond svga card, but can't seem to get it to work on the Hercules svga machines at work. I do set compr text-132, but kermit goes into graphics mode instead. That would be ok, but the svga card seems to think it's 1024x768 or something, since the text is really tiny and doesn't even display right then. I can set up the batch file to issue a command to put the card in 132-col mode, but I don't know how to *force* kermit to use that batch file instead of doing its own thing with the hardware. We'd really like to get this set up so our users can view 132 columns using novell telapi to a unix box. -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:27:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23338 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tek window emulator in K95 Date: 6 Feb 1996 15:25:38 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95. Nothing I can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek. Does anyone know or is there a patch avialable for the Tek window emulator. thanks gary -- Gary Gladney gladney@stsci.edu Network Manager Space Telescope Science Inst. Baltimore Md. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:48:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25537 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26669 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:48:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tek window emulator in K95 Date: 7 Feb 1996 00:48:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4f8sso$q19@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: > We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95. > Nothing I can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek. > It doesn't. > Does anyone know or is there a patch avialable for the Tek window > emulator. > It would not be a patch. In fact it is a significant developement project, and one which we intend to undertake. But before it can be done, we must convert Kermit 95 from a console application to a full GUI application, because console applications can't make graphics. We are working on the GUI conversion now, but it is a BIG JOB with literally tens of thousands of details to iron out. After the full-GUI version is released, then we will begin to add features to it, such as Tektronix 401x emulation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 01:59:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27866 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:59:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 6 Feb 1996 22:49:39 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4f8lu3$hja$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: <4f7lo0$7bl@krel.iea.com> Joe D & Rod, Thanks for straighting me out on this Set Baud issue. I plan on setting the Baud to 115200 for my US Robotics 28.8 Sporster Modem. Thanks, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:19:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14141 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04202 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:19:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!xara.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!uknet!trog.dra.hmg.gb!news From: Doug Pickering Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pathworks 6 and MS-Kermit Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:10:50 -0800 Organization: Pickering Software Services Limited Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3118F93A.B3F@msn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.21.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hi, Unfortunately I cannot get MSKermit 3.14 to work with CTERM on Pathworks 6. Anybody managed to get it working? Doug Pickering From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:48:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17475 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Date: 6 Feb 1996 18:45:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4f87jj$jlr@hustle.rahul.net> References: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> <4f5ed7$k7h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>, wrote: : >Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while : >running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses : >audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another : >application is busy with the audio. : > : No, Kermit does not take over the sound card. : It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and : your serial port. Rumor has it ;-) that some sound cards use IRQ4. If you look in Win95 under Control Panel, System, Device Drivers, you should be able to see if your sound card is using irq 4, and probably conflicting with a comm port, which you can also check from the control panel. You might want to try Kermit-95. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:53:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18226 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05017 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:53:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!brutus.bright.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 6 Feb 1996 22:55:23 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> Joe, Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by Christine M. Gianone. Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 13:43:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07929 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 7 Feb 1996 18:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4farrq$d0a@banzai.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will >describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? > >I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by >Christine M. Gianone. > The book is supplemented by update and technical material in plain-text files on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette: KERMIT.UPD describes changes to the software since the book was published. KERMIT.BWR contains the information you are asking about. NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC contains voluminous information on networking. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 13:47:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08339 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.technocom.co.uk!morse.ukonline.co.uk!bath.ac.uk!niss!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 31 Jan 1996 22:35:03 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4eoqqn$7hj@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> <4e30al$bbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Since I started this thread, I though I would give an update. I now have several machine dedicated tcp/ip over ethernet (both coax and 10BaseT) running: MsKermit <--> Ckermit (OS2 3.0) MsKermit <--> Ckermit (SCO UNIX 3.0 ODT) MsKermit <--> MsKermit (PCDOSV 6.3) Performance has been good, but not as good as I expected. Despite some effort expended in tuning, I have not been able to get more than 25000 <-> 30000 characters/second. Sure, this beats a serial link, but seems much less than a hardwired ethernet connect should deliver. Hardware on the OS2/UNIX side: 486 dx266 with 20 megs ram, ne2000 clone card. Hardware on the portable side: Att globalyst 130 486 dx4 at 100 MHZ, 12 megs ram, PCMCIA ne2000 clone card. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 19:03:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15424 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:03:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!xara.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!uknet!trog.dra.hmg.gb!news From: Doug Pickering Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:13:30 -0800 Organization: Pickering Software Services Limited Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.21.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hi, I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright over TCP/IP. I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host. I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible. Anyone have any other ideas? Doug Pickering From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 19:39:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18937 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:39:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Message-ID: <1996Feb6.205713.73378@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 96 20:57:13 MDT References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Joe, > > Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will > describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? > > I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by > Christine M. Gianone. --------- As I replied to you privately, but again for the benefit of other readers, the MSK release notes have more recent information and advice than the book. There isn't one specific document describing all the many (sigh) ways that MS Windows (3.1 & 95) can deal with serial ports, so we in the Kermit Project give some common hints and hope that will cover most cases (and free us of the concern to write an 800 page $45 tome titled "Undocumented Windows Serial Ports, with CD-ROM!" or similar). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 22:05:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01288 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA22686 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:05:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack Message-ID: <1996Feb7.090009.73404@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 96 09:00:09 MDT References: <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com>, Doug Pickering writes: > Hi, > > I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright > over TCP/IP. I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for > example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host. > > I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP > for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible. Anyone have any other > ideas? --------------- I suggest folks reread the section which discusses two protocol stacks of the same kind over the same board: won't work, don't do it. MS' TCP/IP stack is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 00:03:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10494 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:03:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem pooling Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 21:26:05 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I just have a quick question here. There was a post in one of the Linux USENET groups about modem pooling. Ie, can computer A start a TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to, and use the modem on computer B? If not, I thought it might be kind of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done... TIA. gb Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corp. gbernard@dbc.com 1900 S. Norfolk St. All opionions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo, CA 94404 From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 02:16:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21484 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA29146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:16:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.luc.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: You know your a success when... Date: 8 Feb 1996 12:16:28 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4fbtes$e52@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] You know your program is a success when... Someone posts in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc asking for a copy of Kermit95 to be posted to the group! From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 12:37:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20066 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA01719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem pooling Date: 8 Feb 1996 17:37:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4fdcc6$1ll@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >I just have a quick question here. There was a post in one of the >Linux USENET groups about modem pooling. Ie, can computer A start a >TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to, >and use the modem on computer B? If not, I thought it might be kind >of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done... > It has. Computer B is generally a terminal server that is configured for this purpose. Telnet (i.e. Kermit) from Computer A to a particular TCP port (say 2000) on the terminal server, which has been configured to dynamically assign the first free modem for an outbound call. C-Kermit and Kermit 95 are already programmed to dial out in this way. See page 74 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 23:10:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22207 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:10:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!ins.net!dn.bnc.net!news From: Axel.Trocha@aachen.netsurf.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: LAT Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 13:34:32 GMT Organization: Bonner Network Consulting Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: surf2.aachen.netsurf.de X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4668 comp.protocols.misc:5318 Hello, I a mdesperately looking for any information about Digitals LAT (local area transport) - protocoll. I know that they sold it to some other company. I would be happy about any information you could give me about this subject. bye Axel From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 23:36:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24328 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA19355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:36:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:50:26 GMT Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4fe5oi$hq9@uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.uvic.ca clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow) writes: >I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's looking >for a compatble version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 generation PC. >anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >machine that old... I'm using: IBM PS/2, 80286, 2MB of RAM, 20MB hard-drive, VGA colour monitor. Release 3.14 of MS KERMIT runs quite well, under DOS 4.01, using 2400baud modem. Is that "old" enough for you? :-) From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 9 04:43:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18798 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25046 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:03:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: >1 session w/telapi? Message-ID: <1996Feb6.104623.73296@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 96 10:46:23 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article , wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) writes: > Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through > 4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box. When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I > just get the same session - the first disconnects. Telapi is set to 2 > sessions. I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't > figure it out. Is there some trick ? -------- Novell's TELAPI interface supports only one connection, as Kermit sees it. You can use Novell's transitory helper program TSU to create more than one and assign each to a fake serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1-4). We provide a macro, named Telapi as well, which runs TSU, hands over the host name, specifies the port, and sets Kermit to that port. If you look at the macro and the Novell TSU instruction sheet it's easy to tailor whatever you wish. The Kermit comms channels (SET PORT blah) support multiple sessions only with its internal TCP/IP stack; all other channels are single session. By using different SET PORT BIOSn ports one can have several Telapi sessions active. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 9 05:27:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21967 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:26:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: bugs in Ckermit and Mskermit vt100 mode Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:16:56 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4fe3po$1gr@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have observed the following unfriendly behavior in vt100 mode with Ckermit and Mskermit: 1) With Ckermit for OS2 running under OS2 Windows 3.0 Japanese, garbage (control characters?) in English language posts will cause Ckermit to switch to a mode in which everything on screen appears in the Japanese katakana font although the source text is actually ascii. This is purely an internal Ckermit problem. Using ALT+X to go to the command prompt gives a standard English display. So far I've found nothing other than restarting Ckermit that will fix this situation. 2) With MsKermit 3.14 for DOS with input echo on in an automated login sequence, the vt100 initialization string returned by tset (?) will result in the screen being switched to 40 column mode. This happens with the termcap/terminfo supplied with SCO UNIX ODT 3.0. This does happen for logins done by hand. The problem appears only with